July 5, 2011

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Comment by Left Ohio
2011-07-05 04:03:58

The US is in a permanent stagflationary depression

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 04:56:58

When I was learning to drive, the most difficult thing for me was learning to anticipate turns in the road. You have to begin the manuver before you actually pass the event.

 
Comment by michael
2011-07-05 05:07:14

the iranian president says the US is not independent.

lol…good one.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 05:10:56

The US calls arab states “theocracies”. Even funnier.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 07:27:51

the iranian president says the US is not independent.

He’s right. The banksters run the show.

Comment by measton
2011-07-05 08:38:54

Wouldn’t it be funny if the American people and Iranian and Arab people discovered that they have the same enemy.

Time to crank up the religious intolerance and nationalism to distract the masses.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 09:46:18

Exactly Measton. And add 15% to the military hardware budget.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 16:01:40

Wouldn’t it be funny if the American people and Iranian and Arab people discovered that they have the same enemy.

:-)

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 20:11:28

That’s my great hope for humanity highway. Even more than an end to The Housing Crime Syndicate. The PTB has done remarkably well at keep us at each others throats through false dichotomies, religion, sexism and racism.

 
 
 
Comment by butters
2011-07-05 08:55:27

The only good thing about Obama presidency as far as I am concerned had been the marginalization of these crackpot idiots. Obama pretty much ignores these idiots, a great thing. Compare that to previous administration which would have undoubtedly ratchet up the war of words to keep its base pumped up.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 14:44:37

The only good thing about Obama presidency as far as I am concerned…

Well, then this is of little concern$ to you eyes reckon.

Lil Opie (the non-Hawaiian), Destroyer of America! ;-)

Returning Troops Face Financial Challenges:
By Joe Mont, Staff Writer , On Friday July 1, 2011

BOSTON (TheStreet) — Earlier this month, President Barack Obama announced that 10,000 servicemen will be withdrawn from the war effort in Afghanistan.

It will be the first wave in a troop reduction that will reduce the military presence by 33,000 by the summer of 2012. Troops stationed in Iraq will also continue to be scaled back in the months ahead.

estimates that for some enlisted men and women, combat pay could be reduced by as much as 25% once they return home.

Soldiers who participated in the Savings Deposit Program while serving in a combat zone will have 90 days to withdraw or transfer those accumulated assets once their tour of duty ends, and deposits must stop upon being transferred out of a combat zone. The SDP is a military-run savings account that offers 10% annual interest on deposits.

“Going from 10% to half a percent will be a shocker,” he says. “Don’t look at the savings rates you are going to get now.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 20:29:56

They will all be told that things are going Great at home.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 08:29:30

Has been since the 1970s.

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-07-05 10:16:55

Youngstown, Canton, Toledo have really blossomed since then.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 16:00:23

Have they? (honestly don’t know)

And even if they have, the rest of the nation has taken some hard hits. Hell, we’ve practically abandoned to major cities.

But it’s not about towns and cities, it’s about people, and J6P has doing worse and worse each decade.

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-07-05 09:28:15

Scary thought of the day:

What’s not to like about Stagflation if you are a bankster?

(Keep in mind they make the rules).

 
 
Comment by Sarah
2011-07-05 04:23:32

I don’t know if anyone has been watching HGTV lately but it has gotten much more disgusting than I remember. They have moved beyond housing flipping, and bathroom and kitchen remodels to pure obscenity. Flipping through the channels this weekend, there was this one show about Disneyfying your yard. Essentially during this recession when many people are struggling to survive, attractive white upper middle class surburban families are chosen to get 100k plus back yard makeovers, including pirate ships, moats, water park with cannons, etc. House Hunters Vacation was similar, attractive white upper middle class surburban families are picked to get their choice of a free vacation rental of a multimillion dollar home. The programming was so much worse than your hardest-core porn site, it made me feel sick. FUHGTV.

Comment by Sarah
2011-07-05 04:39:02

surburban = suburban.

The Disney show really was offensive. For the life of me I didn’t get it. Pirate ships and castles in your back yard don’t even add value, as most people don’t want to maintain a lot of junk and the kids will get bored with it all in a few days. Wouldn’t we all be better off if these parents that go out of their way to give their kids every outrageous thing they ask for, just said no and taught their kids about budgeting and what is really important in life?

Comment by Bad Chile
2011-07-05 05:57:01

No kidding. The house the Chile’s bought had one of those $2500 playsets in the backyard. The sellers wanted $1200 to leave it there, we told them to take it knowing the kids would be bored of it within days (we have a two year old and a newborn).

They kept lowering the price, and we kept saying “keep it”. They must have finally realized it was cheaper to leave it then disassemble it, move it, and reassemble it at their new house (because it is, having built a couple of them for friends).

And guess what? Our two year old? Was bored of it within a week. When will parents learn a $2.99 ball is more interesting than a $2999 backyard playset?

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-07-05 06:20:29

And the large empty cardboard carton is more fun than the big toy that was packed inside of it.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 06:35:50

water-balloons & a water wiggle & a slip & slide = kids humidifier

Of course, it helps iffin’ you have a water hose! ;-)

 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 08:42:07

When I was younger, we used to patrol our neighborhood streets for delivery trucks from Sears and furniture stores. We KNEW that truck had something new and big in it, like a stove or a dresser. Gangs of kids would secretly spy on the truck to mark the house where it went. You see, big and new stuff meant big boxes, and you can’t have a good fort without a big box. So, after the delivery truck left, one brave soul would be appointed to knock on the door of house and politely ask for the box. We made a lot of forts that way.

That’s how we did things pre-internet.

(last week I read on HBB about bubble specuvestors following constuction equipment and trucks to new house developments, just to have the first chance to bid and flip. That story reminded me of the childhood boxes.)

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 09:27:13

A $20 plastic kiddie pool is the most cost effective backyard toy in existence.

 
Comment by polly
2011-07-05 09:29:16

When my niece and nephew visited in the spring, I put out a ton of stuff for them to play with - a Tonka jeep, a play castle, some stuffed toys, etc. The little one made a be line to a museum reproduction of a Babylonian frog and carried it around the room saying ribet. The older one played for a while, but sooner than I expected, they were both more interested in hiding in/pulling on the verticle blinds than anything else in the place.

Maybe next time I’ll just pull out my luggage and let them play with that. That is pretty much like playing with a box, isn’t it?

 
Comment by yensoy
2011-07-05 10:37:47

Second the pool. Purchased one earlier today and it was absolute fun for the whole family. Although it was closer to $40 including the pump thingy.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 12:02:27

A bunch of pillows or beanbags are good too. Kids can make forts, caves, etc…..

And when they get tired of building stuff, they can get rid of a lot of energy/stress by bashing each other with them. This can be hard on the lamps.

 
 
 
Comment by wolfgirl
2011-07-05 07:05:26

But, Mom. I want to be a pirete. How can I be a pirate if you won’t buy me a pirate ship?

Comment by liz pendens
2011-07-05 07:24:10

Just wait till the rigging is covered in vines and the hull is festooned with wasp-nests. Kids won’t go near the derelict wreck.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-07-05 10:12:19

A few spider webs were all it took to make the neighbor’s backyard playhouse unapproachable when I was a kid.

 
 
Comment by Pete
2011-07-05 16:33:47

Say that with a Cartman voice and it’s even funnier!

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-07-05 07:22:12

Can you imagine how crappy a backyard pirate ship would look after a couple of years of neglect?

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-05 08:15:21

Did you see the pictures of 6-flags in New Orleans?

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2012608,00.htmlp

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-05 09:57:43

no

 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2011-07-05 11:03:45

http://www.flickr.com/photos/brynnephotography/sets/72157622688948209/with/4105324451/

A whole collection of pictures. As someone who repairs things often, I can’t help but want to repair the large roller coaster :-)

 
 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2011-07-05 07:37:53

Wouldn’t we all be better off if these parents that go out of their way to give their kids every outrageous thing they ask for, just said no and taught their kids about budgeting and what is really important in life?

Thr problem is that the parents would have to know what is really important in life.

Comment by denquiry
2011-07-05 08:29:32

Why budget when you can just walk away?

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Comment by MrBubble
2011-07-05 10:18:56

“Thr problem is that the parents would have to know what is really important in life.”

Yep. The best things in life aren’t things.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-07-05 10:51:36

“…the kids will get bored with it all in a few days. Wouldn’t we all be better off if these parents that go out of their way to give their kids every outrageous thing they ask for…”

I’m guessing Jung and maybe Freud would have something to say about this. As in, this isn’t about the kids at all, but a misguided plan to make up for a lost or neglected childhood for themselves, or an equally misguided attempt to somehow impress neighbors or the parents of their kids’ peers.

Comment by wolfgirl
2011-07-05 14:24:01

My mother was always sorry she couldnf’t afford to send me to dance lessons. I’m glad she couldn’t Climbing trees and riding my bike was much more fun. I’d ride a bike now if sthere were decent places to ride. So I walk to places instead. The only places I’d actually ride to that is to far to walk is the library. And I only go there every couple of weeks.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-07-05 16:59:53

I think what kids really want isn’t extravagant materialism. It’s structure and caring discipline from loving parents, one of whom stays at home full-time and actually acts like a parent.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-07-05 18:47:37

Children are more selfish than that. They actually want 2 parents who stay at home all of the time and pay attention to them to the exclusion of their siblings.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 04:50:57

That channel was banned in the house for years until the last 6 months. Now we watch it for great laughs and enragement.

My observations are that those shows, thus the entire housing system thrives on uniformed, young people.

Comment by Overtaxed
2011-07-05 06:57:47

Let me fix that for you…

“Those shows, thus the entire housing system trives on undereducated math-cripples who can’t think their way out of a paper bag”..

:)

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 07:21:54

There it is. Well done.

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Comment by jane
2011-07-05 09:21:38

Now THAT was a good fix! PtP? (Permission to plagiarize?)

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Comment by Overtaxed
2011-07-05 17:46:21

Absolutely. :)

 
 
 
Comment by Steve W
2011-07-05 07:03:02

It’s never going to happen, but both my wife and I are rooting for a new show, “House Hunters Redux” to be developed–where we all get to see what happened to these saps who bought houses on the show a few years ago.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-07-05 11:06:20

“My observations are that those shows, thus the entire housing system thrives on uniformed, young people.”

As was mine on a recent show I saw on the TV at the gym (don’t remember the show’s name), as a 20-something Toronto native was about to throw down $295k on a blase condo with a view of the highway after the realtor told him the sellers’ counter at that price would be met with many offers if others found out about it.

Original list price? $299k. Young buyer’s offer? $275k. Way to hold the line there, eh?

I seem to remember his response being, “well I’d better accept at that price, huh?” As if the realtor was going to disagree. This was to be for him to live in, but she also suggested it would make a great rental for him. WTF? Maybe she meant he should take heart, for he can rent it out since he’ll never be able to re-sell it again at that price…lmao.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 13:29:37

“Property Virgins.” Another offensive show with a snooty realtor. I remember the episode with the extremely gay couple who wanted a condo in some hip neighborhood. When they regretfully turned down a $400K+ offer and went away to find another cheaper neighborhood, the realtor snootily walked around and snootily rolled her eyes :roll: and snootily narrated to the camera that “they obviously weren’t location buyers. “

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Comment by Overtaxed
2011-07-05 17:50:26

That’s got to be “Sandra” that you’re talking about. I only watch that show with a dim hope that a meteor will fall from the sky right on her head and the whole thing will be broadcast on TV.

I can’t STAND her, she’s got to be the nastiest/snootiest RE agent that’s ever been on TV. And, even worse, she’s always dealing with a young couple who, in many cases, can’t add/subtract as well as a 3rd grader. :( It’s so sad/painful to watch her sell them down the river.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 04:53:09

I’m learning that it does matter what kinds of images one lets into their brain. Watching TV is like leaving the door to your house open while you go on vacation.

Comment by michael
2011-07-05 05:09:35

joey chestnut is the man!

 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-07-05 07:32:48

Brawndo is what plants crave!

Comment by SV guy
2011-07-05 11:43:08

“It’s got electrolytes”

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Comment by Pete
2011-07-05 16:44:55

“Watching TV is like leaving the door to your house open while you go on vacation.”

I’m going to use that, thank you.

 
 
Comment by Elanor
2011-07-05 07:37:05

I stopped watching HGTV when they got rid of their gardening shows, the ones that appealed to normal people who wanted to learn about gardening. Now their ‘garden’ segments run to re-landscaping your entire yard using tons (literally) of stone blocks and installing an outdoor kitchen.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 08:45:52

Well, geez, grrl, how can you make any money off of product-placing a $2.69 pot of basil from the garden center at Wal-mart? It’s much more profitable to product-place a $2699 outdoor grill from Home Despot.

 
Comment by wolfgirl
2011-07-05 08:50:25

A friend of mine likes the antique shows. She thinks she’s going to find something worth a fortune in the junk people throw out when they move. Whenwe cleaned out my fil’s house she got a lot of junk none of us cared about–dishes, glasses, clocks that don’t work, old gardening tools. You can barely walk in her house. Me, I’m wowrking on getting rid of stuff.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 08:59:04

You have a better chance of winning the lottery than finding an undiscovered valuable antique.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 08:57:51

72 million people of the 156 million workforce make $500 or less week. They aren’t going to be spending ANY money on home improvements, so why cater to them?

Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 09:46:21

Because they have (or had) equity which was crying out to be free. One mid 2000’s episode of Designer Challenge featured a young couple who wanted to re-decorate the dining room… for $10,000. That’s a LOT of money for a room without cabinets or appliances or plumbing. (they did have a leftover fireplace.)

I don’t know any other way to get a frivolous $10K than to liberate that trapped equity.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-05 05:08:16

Can free houses be far behind?

For the roughly four million homeowners who have fallen behind on their mortgage payments, the federal government is offering yet another remedy: free money to catch up on their loans.

More Money for Struggling Homeowners
by AnnaMaria Andriotis
Wednesday, June 29, 2011

A new federal program is offering aid with a sweet kicker: It doesn’t need to be repaid.

The effort, called the Emergency Homeowners Loan Program, is the latest in the federal government’s efforts to slow down the flood of foreclosures a necessary step to a meaningful recovery in the housing market, says a Department of Housing and Urban Development official. For people who have lost their jobs, the $1 billion program offers loans of up to $50,000 that don’t actually need to be repaid, if applicants meet certain requirements.

The goal, says HUD, is to offer short-term aid to people who look like they’ll be back on their feet soon. But critics say the loans may leave homeowners worse off in the long run. “This is a short run band-aid, a modest attempt to grapple with the severity of the situation,” says Stuart Gabriel, director of the Ziman Center for Real Estate at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Rolled out by HUD and the nonprofit housing advocacy group NeighborWorks America, the program is making loans with far better terms than anything on offer at a local bank. The loans are interest-free. Payments go directly to the lender for a portion of the borrower’s monthly mortgage, including missed payments or past due charges. And when the assistance period — which runs for up to two years — ends, 20% of the loan is forgiven with each passing year. In other words, for qualified borrowers who stay in their home for at least five years after the assistance period and who don’t fall behind on their mortgage again, this money doesn’t have to be paid back.

But some critics say that’s where help for consumers ends. By taking this loan, borrowers risk falling further into debt. If they sell their home before the entire loan is forgiven, they’ll be on the hook for the remaining amount. The same holds true if they fall behind on their mortgage payments again: they’ll need to repay the remaining balance of the loan when they sell or refinance their home. Separately, borrowers aren’t required to have equity in their home to receive this money, so someone who has to repay this loan risks owing more on the home later than they do now. For homeowners who are significantly underwater now, the loan may only delay foreclosure, says Gabriel. While the limit each person will get is up to $50,000, loans will average about $35,000 per person, according to NeighborWorks America.

http://finance.yahoo.com/loans/article/113040/more-money-for-struggling-homeowners-smartmoney?mod=series-m-article-b - 89k -

Comment by polly
2011-07-05 05:27:47

And they have to stay in a place that has a job market that has left them struggling for 7 years.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 06:54:42

Money for the banks. It’s for the children of course.

Money for the Non-profits. Connections in high places.

More debt for the guy at the bottom of the food pyramid. The Unforgiven.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-05 07:23:33

“Rolled out by HUD and the nonprofit housing advocacy group NeighborWorks America,”

If you click on the site you will see that it does say Monday, June 6, 2011

Monday, June 6, 2011

NeighborWorks America Kicks Off National Homeownership Month

Today NeighborWorks America kicked off National Homeownership Month by announcing a series of activities that will highlight the important role that informed, prepared and engaged residents play in healthy communities through long-term, affordable homeownership.

“For more than 30 years, NeighborWorks America and its network of affiliates around the country have supported and encouraged affordable and long-term homeownership,” said Eileen Fitzgerald, Acting CEO of NeighborWorks America. “From providing homeownership tips and urging homeowners facing foreclosure to talk to the right people, to strengthening communities through NeighborWorks Week and NeighborWorks HomeOwnership Centers, throughout National Homeownership Month we are working to get good information in the hands of potential homebuyers and current homeowners so they can achieve and sustain homeownership.”

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 09:01:27

News companies no longer pay for editors, proof readers or competent writers.

They cost real money, you know?

Most people I talk to these days don’t even know what a proof reader is.

 
 
Comment by Larry
2011-07-05 07:45:33

Can free houses be far behind?

That isn’t too far from the truth now. I see on realtor.com that there are condos in Las Vegas for $20,000 and less.

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-05 08:22:35

That’s credit card prices.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-07-05 08:23:58

“I see on realtor.com that there are condos in Las Vegas for $20,000 and less.”

But do they have massive construction defects that are expensive to fix? Large accrued HOA dues that will need to be paid current at closing? Etc, etc.

These “cheap” condos may well be worth less than zero.

Comment by whyoung
2011-07-05 10:15:52

I had a friend who worked for a NYC real estate agent and building manager back in the early 1990’s…

This guy bought 5 or 6 apartments in an older building in the West Village for - get this - a total of $20,000.

The catch was each had a rent controlled tenant who was paying less than $200 per month, which was less than half of the monthly fees. He had a big enough RE portfolio and bankroll that he could live with the losses while he literally waited for them to die. Had to be very vigilant about any relatives moving in and trying to claim tenancy so that they could inherit the right to live there.

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 08:48:20

To be honest, I’d rather have a $1 house in Destroit. The crime rate is probably not much worse, and at least Michigan still has frikken water.

(and if worst comes to worst politically — either way — you can sneak over the Canadian border, like they used to in east Berlin…)

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 09:02:26

Don’t count it. Canada no longer like Americans.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-05 09:18:32

He did say “sneak”.

 
Comment by Patrick
2011-07-05 13:45:58

Ecofeco

That is trash talk. Our best friends (and a lot of relatives) are Americans. Several cottage neighbours as well.

I would like to think that Americans and Canadians are best friends. We sure do a lot together without any problems.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 16:02:54

You’re right.

Let me rephrase that: your government no longer likes Americans. It is harder than ever to emigrate or get a work permit for the average American.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-07-05 17:02:34

Yet another backdoor bailout for the banksters. Hope ‘n Change lemmings, please bitch-slap yourselves senseless to spare me the trouble.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-05 05:14:27

REPORT AIR DATE: July 1, 2011
Protecting Its Fannie: How Mortgage Giant Primed the Bubble, Covered Its Assets

JEFFREY BROWN: Next, how a mortgage giant with a public purpose helped inflate the housing bubble in the lead-up to the financial crisis.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec11/makingsense_07-01.html - 65k -

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-05 05:16:55

From

REPORT AIR DATE: July 1, 2011
Protecting Its Fannie: How Mortgage Giant Primed the Bubble, Covered Its Assets

PAUL SOLMAN: Fannie Mae had no comment on any of the charges in the book. But its supporters say it was trying to do something almost all politicians believed in: making housing more affordable for more people, especially the less well-off. So, isn’t homeownership good social policy?

GRETCHEN MORGENSON: Not if you’re giving loans to people who can’t afford to pay them back, OK? And, so, if you are perverting the homeownership process because you are trying to enrich yourself, increase your profits, which Fannie Mae was absolutely determined to do, then that becomes a perversion of homeownership.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 09:40:22

For everybody who likes to say that Fannie’s problems were due to evil government: This is the key excerpt:

“Fannie and Freddie were always given a lower borrowing rate in the markets by investors, who always assumed that they were government-guaranteed.

PAUL SOLMAN: Lower borrowing rates because those investors who lent Fannie money to buy mortgages believed, if it couldn’t pay them back, the government would.

And, in fact, the government did, after Fannie’s failure in 2008. ”

[emphasis mine]

In other words, when all this corruption was going on, Fannie was NOT an outpost of evil government. They were a profit-chasing private sector company like any other. Like a spoiled brat who knew that Mommy had a soft spot and would bail them out, they took advantage of the IMPLIED guarantee to take risk and pocket the profit. Only in 2008 (and who was president in 2008?) did the lies become true.

These public-private partnerships HAVE to go.

Comment by polly
2011-07-05 11:01:39

This book/meme has been debunked so many times in the past week, I don’t have time to list them all.

Check out recent stuff by Jared Bernstein, Mark Thoma, Dean Baker, etc.

And they deal with the CRA garbage too - Did you know that of the 25 largest subprime lenders only ONE was a depositary institution that was subject to CRA at all? And that all the loans made out in the ex-urbs were exempt from CRA because there couldn’t be any historical redlining of neighborhoods that didn’t exist a month ago? And that there isn’t, in fact, any enforcement teeth behind CRA?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-05 11:50:25

Who needs facts when the theory fits one’s belief system so well?

‘Big Socialist Gov and the minorities caused the bubble.’

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Comment by polly
2011-07-05 05:18:37

I hope everyone had a wonderful 4th of July. Went to a concert at the National Cathedral in the morning, a community center party in the afternoon (most of the politicians kept their speeches under 2 minutes and the longest bit in the presentation part of the afternoon was celebrating a local resident who just turned 100) and saw the fireworks from the roof of my building. Other residents told me the really good view was Sunday night as the same company that does the display on the mall does a set at a near by country club and that is also visible from the roof (better viewing).

Not a bad holiday.

Just a note. I find people playing instrumental versions of “My Country, ‘Tis of Thee” a little disturbing on the 4th of July. It is the same tune as “God Save the King/Queen.” Seems a little off to be playing the British national anthem on Independence Day.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 05:22:17

That song is as sickening as reciting the pledge of allegiance.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 06:27:00

Are you in “Man without a Country” mode?

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 06:28:16

Not at all. I don’t pledge allegiance to anyone or any country.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 08:56:37

In the world but not of it?

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 09:43:46

Yer onto it blue.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 11:55:23

Maybe he’s a “global citizen?” :razz:

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-05 12:28:43

This world is not my home,
I’m just a-renting through,
My treasures are laid up for me
Somewhere beyond the blue…
The realtors beckon me
From unsold houses’ doors,
But I won’t buy a home in this world anymore.

 
 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-05 07:32:19

RAL
I unfortuantely agree with you. I can’t say the pledge of allegiance anymore, and although I loved the music from the orchestra in the park yesterday, the meaning was gone. I looked around and saw people celebrating an ideal that is dead. Sad.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-07-05 08:27:41

“I looked around and saw people celebrating an ideal that is dead. Sad.”

Can’t you still celebrate that at one time in history, there were men of sufficiently-strong conviction to take incredible personal risk for the betterment of their fellow man?

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 08:39:00

Can’t you still celebrate that at one time in history, there were men of sufficiently-strong conviction to take incredible personal risk for the betterment of their fellow man?

Did they really? Weren’t most of those men slave owners, who later wrote slavery into the constitution?

Or were they just the local big fish who were tired of handing over a big chunk of their profits to the Crown and thought it would easy the secede from the Empire with help from the Britain’s rivals?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 09:04:09

They didn’t solve every problem all at once, no. Yet their grandchildren abolished slavery. What’s your complaint? My family escaped slavery to come to America long after these things were settled. Now we have another kind, volunatary servitude, to grapple with.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 09:08:52

Just saying that maybe they weren’t so selfless and that it was really an opportunistic power grab where they hoped to end up on the top of the heap as the new masters.

And while most other nations in the western hemisphere calmly abolished slavery, we required a bloody civil to accomplish that.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 09:45:06

You may have something, but I suspect you have a revised history at least in part.

Calmly, lol.

P.S. the civil war was not fought over slavery. It was an outcome, but not the bloody reason for the war. The Brits BTW were still selling Negroes when we were abolishing slavery.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-05 10:12:02

“the civil war was not fought over slavery.”

No, it was fought over states’ rights. In particular, the right to own slaves.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 11:24:33

Most Latin American nations abolished slavery upon gaining independence (unlike us), with Brazil being a notable exception. And most abolished slavery before we did.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 12:04:06

No doubt “slavery” loomed large as a political issue, my take is that it was more about concentration of power and that a lot of it was just painted with the slavery issue. It’s debatable, but we can agree that slavery was a bad relic of Colonial Society.

 
Comment by Montana
2011-07-05 13:37:33

“who later wrote slavery into the constitution?”

Only to keep the south from being able to count all its slaves for the purpose of political representation.

You should read W.E.B. DuBios on the early efforts to rid the country of slavery.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 15:36:16

Now we have another kind, volunatary servitude, to grapple with.

Similar, but painfully, not really the $ame.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 15:45:21

:-)

Butler: “I intend to take Virginia at her word…that she has legally declared she is no longer a state of the United States of America.

History:

The status of southern-owned slaves after Confederate states had declared secession from the Union and were engaged in the American Civil War became an issue early in 1861, not long after hostilities commenced.

At Fort Monroe in Virginia’s Hampton Roads, Major General Benjamin Butler, commander, came into the possession of three slaves who had made their way across Hampton Roads harbor from Confederate-occupied Norfolk County, Virginia, and presented themselves at Union-held Fort Monroe. General Butler refused to return escaped slaves to masters supporting the Confederacy, which amounted to classifying them as “contraband,” although credit for first use of that terminology occurred elsewhere.

Three slaves, Frank Baker, James Townsend and Sheppard Mallory, had been contracted by their owners to the Confederate Army to help construct defense batteries at Sewell’s Point across the mouth of Hampton Roads from Union-held Fort Monroe. They escaped at night and rowed a skiff to Old Point Comfort, where they sought asylum at the adjacent Fort Monroe.

Prior to the War, the owners of the slaves would have been legally entitled to request their return (as property) and probably would have done so…. However, Virginia had just declared (by secession) that it no longer considered itself part of the United States. …General Butler, who was educated as an attorney, took the position that, if Virginia considered itself a foreign power to the U.S., then he was under no obligation to return the three men; he would instead hold them as “contraband of war.” Thus, when Confederate Major John B. Cary requested their return, as Butler had anticipated, his request was refused.

Gen. Butler paid the escaped slaves nothing, and kept them as slaves, as he so termed them. Secretary of the Navy Gideon Welles issued a directive on September 25, 1861, which gave “persons of color, commonly known as contrabands”, in the employment of the Union Navy pay at the rate of $10 and a full day’s ration. Three weeks later the Union Army followed suit, paying male “contrabands” $8 a month and females $4, at Fort Monroe, and only specific to that command.

The Confiscation Act of 1861 declared in August that any property used by the Confederate military, including slaves, could be confiscated by Union forces. The next March, the Act Prohibiting the Return of Slaves forbade the restoring of such human seizures.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-05 16:59:31

P.S. the civil war was not fought over slavery. It was an outcome, but not the bloody reason for the war.

Of course the underlying cause of the War of Southern Immorality was slavery. To say otherwise reflects ignorance of the big picture of American history or it is just a sorry attempt of twisting semantics to justify a certain biased and erroneous worldview.

Slavery was the key and sometimes only issue in the Missouri Compromise, its conflicting Kansas and Nebraska act, The Lecompton Constitution, The Lincoln/Douglas debates, “Bleeding Kansas” (all precursers to the Civil War) and slavery was the reason for the South’s secession.

Now in fact, Lincoln did not enter the war to “end slavery” but that is besides the point because slavery was the reason why there was a war to be entered. Therefore, slavery was in fact the “bloody reason for the war”.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-05 13:50:02

When I recite the pledge, I say most of it in a normal tone of voice.

But when I come to “and justice for all,” heck, I belt that part out in a darn-near a holler. Especially the word “justice.”

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 05:37:54

I and a friend went to the National Mall to see the fireworks. We chose a spot on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and decided that it was THE best place to view fireworks, EVER. From that vantage point we could see the fireworks being shot out of their tubes, with the Washington Monument in the background. It looked like a postcard.

 
Comment by palmetto
2011-07-05 05:42:06

Until last night, I hadn’t seen fireworks up close and personal on the 4th of July in years. There weren’t any close by, and I always opted not to drive 20-30 minutes to an area that was sure to have, in addition to decent families trying to enjoy themselves, the usual cohort of drunks and thugs, not to mention traffic, parking problems, etc. So I’d usually go out to a small rocky promontory on the bay and look across to Tampa and St. Pete and watch far off bursts of color against the sky.

This year, the retirement community in which I’m renting had its own fireworks display for the first time in its history. I think they had some money set aside from the 50th anniversary fund, so they put on a show. It was absolutely delightful. The company they hired was very professional and artistic. People filed in and parked in an orderly fashion, sat in the various benches and seats scattered around the viewing area and politely waited for the fire department to show up so the fireworks could start. I’m sure there was the discreet beer here and there, but no drunken hooting, thuggery, or other disturbances. Just a wonderful show with a respectful audience. Lots of clapping and “Bravo!”. Some of the retirees had their grandchildren there, who were delighted. Nothing touches the Palmster’s heart like exclamations of wonder from a kid. When it was over, everyone filed out orderly on foot or in their cars. No honking, yelling or any other nastiness.

Anyway, my point is, it’s possible to have a nice family and oldster friendly fireworks display and my deepest thanks goes out to the association of the community for putting this on. It was not widely publicized, in fact I found out about it a couple of days before when the community flyer came around. I think this prevented the thugs, drunks and gangstas in the surrounding neighborhoods from ruining it. I don’t know if they’ll do it again next year, but having not been to the fireworks in years, I am most grateful for the artistic, respectful show the association put on. I’m going over to their office today to make a small donation.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-05 07:45:14

palmetto
Sounds like you had a great time, and the people around you were civilized. You evidently live in a good community.

Comment by palmetto
2011-07-05 08:56:38

Awaiting, the name of the community is Sun City Center, it’s one of the original Del Webb communities (I stress the word “original”, the Del Webb name has since been licensed to other developments), developed hard on the heels of the one in Arizona. I highly recommend it (with a few cautions) to anyone considering retiring in Florida. One of the cautions being, it’s sort of an oasis in the middle of an area (South Hillsborough county, Tampa Bay area) that really got hit with the ugly stick during the bubble and bust. Most of the retirees are Midwestern, with a heavy population from Michigan and Ohio. For the most part, very decent people (some are a bit crabby and rude, but I understand it, as you get older various aches, pains and medical conditions tend to make you a lot less charming), very community minded, lots of them volunteer for this and that. Many residents like myself are still working. You can’t beat the facilities.

The core of the community consists of the original 1960s-1970s concrete block shacks, modest but comfortable homes on small lots. Of course, other stuff has been developed around it, more grandiose faux stucco retirement homes with concrete pavers, also a gated condo development called King’s Point that has piggybacked off the original. The two communities do co-exist nicely, though.

If you look up Sun City Center, Florida on realtor.com, enter in a price range of 0-80,000 and then screen out the condoze, leaving only the single family houses, you’ll find some very pleasant and affordable little places up for sale.

But, like I said, the surrounding area does bear watching. There have been some issues for some of the retirees living in the outer ring of the community recently, like break-ins, etc. It could get real unpleasant here real fast if the overall economic scene goes even further south.

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 08:52:50

Strangely enough, the steps of the Lincoln Memorial was very orderly and quiet. No thugs, and we only had to deal with one drunken frat boy who sang the national anthem very badly. The Park Service decided to let him do it, figuring the bad anthem would be less of a disturbance than throwing him out (they were right).

After the fireworks, everyone walked quietly to the metro. I was pleasantly surprised at how well it turned out.

 
 
Comment by michael
2011-07-05 05:59:13

i heard ‘em.

they woke my kid.

 
Comment by rms
2011-07-05 06:24:43

I had to work a swing shift last night, but I did see lots of personal aerial fireworks bursting, which is something one doesn’t see in California.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-05 07:51:39

rms

You live off of Seabrook or Tequesta Dr?

I`ll check back tonight.

Comment by rms
2011-07-05 11:38:29

I live between Ephrata and Moses Lake in Washington state’s Columbia Basin. It’s doable from May through Sep, then the weather turns cold, frozen cold. Former digs were in San Luis Obispo, CA., and yes, we miss the ocean.

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Comment by chilidoggg
2011-07-05 14:57:04

You need to come to Los Angeles. The San Gabriel Valley is full of illegal airborne fireworks on the Fourth.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 08:33:02

No I didn’t, but thanks anyway.

Comment by polly
2011-07-05 09:37:30

Sorry to hear that. Maybe the next one will be better.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-05 05:23:40

Big Banks Easing Terms on Loans Deemed as Risks
By DAVID STREITFELD
Published: July 2, 2011

As millions of Americans struggle in foreclosure with little hope of relief, big banks are going to borrowers who are not even in default and cutting their debt or easing the mortgage terms, sometimes with no questions asked.

Two of the nation’s biggest lenders, JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America, are quietly modifying loans for tens of thousands of borrowers who have not asked for help but whom the banks deem to be at special risk.

Rula Giosmas is one of the beneficiaries. Last year she received a letter from Chase saying it was cutting in half the amount she owed on her condominium.

Ms. Giosmas, who lives in Miami, was not in default on her $300,000 loan. She did not understand why she would receive this gift — although she wasted no time in taking it.

Before Chase shaved $150,000 off her mortgage, Ms. Giosmas owed much more on her place than it was worth. It was a fate she shared with a quarter of all homeowners with mortgages across the nation. Being underwater, as it is called, can prevent these owners from moving and taking new jobs, and places the households at greater risk of foreclosure.

Chase, which declined to comment on its program, got $50 billion in option ARM loans when it bought Washington Mutual in 2008. The lender, which said last fall that it had dealt with 22,000 option ARM loans with an unpaid principal balance of $8 billion, still has $33 billion of them in its portfolio.

Bank of America acquired a portfolio of 550,000 option ARMs from its purchase of Countrywide Financial in 2008. The lender said more than 200,000 had been converted to more stable mortgages.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/03/business/03loans.html - -

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 05:35:14

Like I said….. nothing more than rats knawing around the edges of something the size of the Titanic. One can only imagine the Dr. Frankenstein creation as a result of all the half measures.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-05 08:14:50

“Chase shaved $150,000 off her mortgage”

What qualified this real estate investor for half a free house (or at least half a free loan)?

Is the same deal available to the rest of Chase’s customers?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-05 12:36:34

“What qualified this real estate investor for half a free house ”

Chase discovering the the original note had been lost in the MERSea?

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-05 05:25:56

From

Big Banks Easing Terms on Loans Deemed as Risks
By DAVID STREITFELD
Published: July 2, 2011

“I used to say every day, ‘Why doesn’t anyone get rewarded for doing the right thing and paying their bills on time?’ ” said Ms. Giosmas, who is an acupuncturist and real estate investor. “And I got rewarded.”

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-05 05:39:47

Meanwhile, the value of the apartment nosedived. By the time Ms. Giosmas got the letter from Chase, the condominium was worth less than half what she paid. “I would not have defaulted,” she said. “But they don’t know that.”

The letter, which Ms. Giosmas remembers as brief and “totally vague,” said Chase was cutting her principal by $150,000 while raising her interest rate to about 5 percent. Her payments would stay roughly the same.

A few months ago, Ms. Giosmas sold the place for $170,000, making a small profit. Having a loan that her lender considered toxic, she said, “turned out to be a blessing in disguise.”

Comment by combotechie
2011-07-05 06:20:52

The letter was “totally vague.”

If you want to keep alive among the FBs then make promises to them that are totally vague so they will read into these promises what they need to see to keep their hopes up.

Comment by combotechie
2011-07-05 06:22:55

“If you want to keep alive” should be “If you want to keep hope alive”

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-05 06:45:13

I wish my hopes were this high.

“Ms. Giosmas, who lives in Miami, was not in default on her $300,000 loan. She did not understand why she would receive this gift”

“Chase was cutting her principal by $150,000″

“A few months ago, Ms. Giosmas sold the place for $170,000, making a small profit. Having a loan that her lender considered toxic, she said, “turned out to be a blessing in disguise.”

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Comment by Jess from upstate SC
2011-07-05 05:37:09

The fireworks shows were nice , but seem to get smaller every year. Still recall the monster bashes in 1976, the 200th , every little hamlet went all out then….

Comment by rms
2011-07-05 06:26:27

Demographics or economics?

 
Comment by palmetto
2011-07-05 06:54:17

As I was watching the fireworks here last night, I was thinking it seemed like they weren’t all that different from the ones I used to watch when I wuz a pup. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, I enjoyed the displays we had up in the Northeast back in the day. There’s a few different effects these days, that twister thing that happens during projection and more of that sizzling, paper-crunching sound, but for the most part, it’s very similar to what I remember. Probably the technology is safer now and timing might be a little better, but it doesn’t seem that different effects-wise. Which is just fine by me.

Fireworks goes all the way back to BC China, but the Italians really perfected the art.

 
Comment by wolfgirl
2011-07-05 07:20:51

I miss the huge fireworks displays stoo. We always stook the kids when they were little. We can see some from out house now, so we don’t go out these days It seems that the New Year’s EVe display was bigger this year than the 4th of July one.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 06:10:25

“We the people” have lost control. Congress won’t live within the means of the taxpayers.

It’s not only those maturing securities! The federal government is committed to spending $306.7 billion in the month of August. It expects an inflow of only $172.4 billion.

If we operated our household budgets like this we’d all be looked at as fools, yet this is standard practice for the denizens of Washington….our representatives. Are they at fault, or should American voters accept blame for sending such spendthrifts to the nation’s capital?

Writing on the 4th of July, Robert Samuelson (Washington Post) observers:

“Democrats won’t admit the need for major benefits cuts. . . .Republicans won’t concede the necessity for higher taxes. The result is the leaders are playing a game of brinksmanship over raising the federal debt ceiling or defaulting.

“…this from ‘the world’s greatest nation.’ It lowers our competence and elevates our national embarrassment. Altogether, an unhappy birthday.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-07-05 17:13:43

“We the people” have lost control. Congress won’t live within the means of the taxpayers.

“We the People” didn’t lose control. “We the People” cravenly abdicated our responsibilities and duties as citizens of the Republic. In 2008, We the People explicitly sanctioned Wall Street fraud and criminality by voting for Obama and McCain - ardent proponents of “privatize profits, socialize risks” and massive, never-ending bailouts for grifters, be they FBs who signed liar loans or the mega-thieves at the TBTF banks. 2008 was proof positive that We the People are as docile as we are stupid. America, home of the stupid, land of the freakin’ screwed.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-07-05 19:02:40

“We the People explicitly sanctioned Wall Street fraud and criminality by voting for Obama and McCain “

So the only way we could have not abdicated our responsibility was to vote for the candidate of your choice.

I suspect if Ron Paul had been elected, we would have had complete gridlock as he vetoed everything the Congress passed for the last several years.

Are there any libertarian justices that he would have appointed to the Supreme Court? How many Libertarians would he have had supporting him in the Congress? We do have 3 branches of government.

How much effort have you given to electing Ron Paul clones in your congressional district and state?

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 06:22:29

We discuss topics of Neo-Science here quite a bit. I find it amusing, the realization that new “Truths” are always being trotted out, to help herd the masses into this behavior or that with panic and anxiety, always to be discarded at maturity for some new Chicken Little theme.

Chinese pollution is causing Global Cooling! Damn those Chinese. I guess Upstate NY isn’t going to be our tropical haven anymore. It’s the sulphur now, demon brimstone. What’s that old joke about the three blind men and the elephant?

reuters dot com/article/2011/07/04/us-climate-sulphur-idUSTRE7634IQ20110704

Comment by palmetto
2011-07-05 07:52:56

LOL. But I must say, increased pollution anywhere can’t be all that good for things like air and water quality. Seems like the oil companies aren’t happy unless they’re taking a sh*t somewhere. The Gulf last year, Yellowstone River this year. What’s next? What about all those “bombs bursting in air”? All those “military actions” can’t be good for the environment, even planetarily speaking.

Plus there’s a burgeoning population on this little spaceship of ours. People keep talking about declining birth rates, but I don’t see it, not in this area, anyway. And I don’t understand where people get off talking about a population decline, if in 1960 there were 3 billion people on the planet and today there are 7 billion???? That’s more than double in 50 years.

Someone once said that the easiest way to solve global “warming” (or whatever) is to put on a condom. Yeah. Try asking migrants from South of the border to do this. Because they are rewarded (at this time) for massive reproduction.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 08:40:48

LOL. But I must say, increased pollution anywhere can’t be all that good for things like air and water quality.

Agreed. Even if the brown cloud doesn’t cause climate change … who wants a brown cloud?

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 08:55:05

I think the simple stuff, like having clean air and water, just doesn’t grab the imagination as much as it did when I was young. Pollution in China is really not a good thing for us in America, as having sick and hungry neighbors is a drain somehow in the future. Yet we give them every incentive to repeat all the mistakes we’ve made.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 15:26:42

And I don’t understand where people get off talking about a population decline, if in 1960 there were 3 billion people on the planet and today there are 7 billion???? That’s more than double in 50 years.

Someone I meet at a friends dinner in La Jolla:

http://anthro.ucsd.edu/~jmoore/

scroll down ’till you find this: ;-)

Picture worth 6,000,000,000 words (and counting)

 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-07-05 10:30:00

Atmospheric Brown Clouds (ABCs) have a net cooling effect. This effect is well documented and explained in the concise and readable IPCC Fourth Annual Report. This issue may be new to you, but climate science have known about it for quite some time.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 15:15:55

No worries MrBubble, some folks will argue ’till their blue that the split atom was an “accident” with lil’ consequence for the living going forward.

Comment by MrBubble
2011-07-05 15:41:48

You’re not talking about the folks who don’t “believe” in geo-chronology because the age of Methusulah “proves” that decay constants were “different back then”, are you? Aaiiieeee!!!

“I believe in scientists enough to turn on a light, drive a car, use a cell phone, start a fire, turn on the TV and troll the internets, but not enough to “believe” in anything that doesn’t fit my a priori ideologies. Git R Dun!”

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Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 06:26:12

HISTORY LESSON: What became of the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

Jefferson was fortunate. Many lost their lives as a consequence.

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 signators of the Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two Lost their sons in the revolutionary army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the revolutionary war.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners, men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty wouldbe death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress Without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers or both, looted the properties of Ellery, Clymer, Hall, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. The owner quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying.Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his grist mill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.

Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution.These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: “For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”

Source: American Library

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-05 08:35:26

Kinda makes you wonder who exactly we were bombing in Somalia this weekend.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 08:36:50

Damn those rich white slave owners!

Oh wait…

 
Comment by butters
2011-07-05 08:46:50

WOW. Never knew this part of the history.

Wearing a tin-foil hat, how come Jefferson escaped without a scratch?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-05 12:10:27

“how come Jefferson escaped without a scratch?”

The quick and the dead…

Cornwallis dispatched British officer Banastre Tarleton on a secret expedition to Monticello to capture then Governor Jefferson. Quickly making his way at night Tarleton hoped to catch Jefferson by surprise, however in the midst of the activity and havoc of the invasion an action by a young Virginian named Jack Jouett, a captain in the Virginia militia, thwarted the British capture of Virginia’s governor. Jouett had spotted the assembly and departure of Tarleton and his men and making his way to Monticello, by way of various back roads of which he was familiar, arrived at Monticello in time to warn Jefferson, members of the Virginia Assembly and citizens at large.[39] With little warning Jefferson and his family fled and managed to escape, leaving his home to be captured by British troops. A detachment of Cornwallis’ troops, in their march north from the Carolinas, seized the estate along with another plantation which Jefferson owned on the James River. British troops destroyed all his crops, burnt his barns and fences, drove off the cattle, seized all usable horses, cut the throats of the colts, and after setting fires left the plantation a smoldering, blackened waste. Twenty-seven slaves were also captured to which Jefferson later replied.. “Had he carried off the slaves to give them freedom, he would have done right.” [40]
wikipedia

Comment by Patrick
2011-07-05 13:40:18

wmbz and alpha

I am very impressed and congratulate you both on digging up this part of history. These are the types of people we really do need today -

In Canada we had a fellow “William Lyon MacKenzie King” who I would put roughly in the same category - about 160 years ago !

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 14:13:41

seized the estate along with another plantation which Jefferson owned on the James River

These are the type$ of people we really do need today

Google: Kerry’$ / Mc$ame / …et.al.

 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2011-07-05 08:49:49

Contrast with today’s gov.

Today’s gov profits from the war, and only a tiny percentage have children fighting.

 
Comment by yensoy
2011-07-05 10:59:57

Very enlightening wmbz. This is a point that must be made every 4th to the American people.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 06:37:50

Realtors Are Liars

Comment by liz pendens
2011-07-05 07:25:54

Liars Really Are [everywhere]

Comment by butters
2011-07-05 08:48:01

Get a room, U2……
:)

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 06:38:11

Here’s a great idea…

Banks should offer ‘mates mortgages’ so friends can buy together, says housing minister.
Mortgage experts question practicality of MP’s proposal
http://www.dailymail.co.uk 5th July 2011

Banks should offer ‘mates mortgages’ to help groups of friends buy a home together, a Government minister will say today.

Grant Shapps will urge lending giants to send a lifeline to the record numbers of first-time buyers struggling to get on the property ladder.

The housing minister said that without urgent help from banks a generation of young people would be locked out of the market.

The answer, he suggested, was a radical and new type of lending that he called ‘mates mortgages’.

In most parts of the country it is almost impossible for a young person with a full-time job to buy a home on their own.

The average salary of workers in their 20s is £21,000 whereas the cost of the average home is around £160,000.

As a result, only those on much higher salaries or with family money can put down a deposit on a house.

Mr Shapps said: ‘If there are mates who are perfectly capable of paying monthly mortgage payments but are struggling to fund a deposit of their own, there should be straightforward options to unite with their friends and take the first step on to the housing ladder together.’
Mortgages down: This graph shows mortgage growth rates slowing, while personal deposits rise as consumers rein in spending

Mortgages down: This graph shows mortgage growth rates slowing, while personal deposits rise as consumers rein in spending

His plea for ‘mates mortgages’ will be made today when he holds his second summit to tackle the problems facing first-time house buyers.

But yesterday mortgage experts raised doubts as to whether the Tory minister’s scheme would be practical.

David Hollingworth, of the independent adviser London & Country, said the proposal was ‘absolutely full of risks’.
‘Full of risks’: Critics of the scheme suggest that friends have enough problems sharing flats and it will only get worse if they have a mortgage to worry about

‘Full of risks’: Critics of the scheme suggest friends have enough problems sharing flats and it will only get worse if they have a mortgage to worry about

He added: ‘People get into enough strife when they rent a flat together over basic things like: “Who finished off the milk?” and “Who is going to do the washing up?” It will be even worse if they have a mortgage to fight over.’

Comment by liz pendens
2011-07-05 07:27:23

That way, FBs can always blame somebody esle. Great idea.

 
Comment by polly
2011-07-05 07:33:33

“take the first step on to the housing ladder together”

Not a terrible idea if you are 100% sure that the value of the housing will go up steadily and fairly quickly for the time period you need to get enough equity to split up the partnership with everyone having enough cash free and clear for a downpayment.

People used to assume that you could count on that sort of increase in the value of real estate. I wonder how that worked out for them?

Just in case the sarcasm didn’t come through, I think this idea - the concept of a houding ladder that you have to get on as young as possible to be able to live in owned property later on - is one of the more destructive ones of the bubble. It is what gets people who are too young to really “get” their own financial situation to take out loans they can’t afford. Being young and at the start of your career is hard enough without being stuck in a real estate investment partnership that eats up all the money you should have allocated to rent so you can move to get the next good job.

My parents did OK buying young, but my dad paid for it with commutes that were sometimes 130 miles a day depening on how far way that particular job was. And they did OK because they bought with a fixed rate loan before inflation took off like nobody’s business. And because grandma and grandpa helped in the first few years by feeding us several times a week.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 08:38:09

I would sooner live under a brdige than have a “roommate.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-05 13:54:16

Move over eco, because I agree with you.

Wait a minute. This below-the-bridge space is getting a bit crowded. One of us will have to leave.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 17:27:34

Hey! Nobody said you had live on my side of the bridge! :lol:

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 10:00:50

Good god no. Multi-income households is already driving up rents. Now they will drive up prices. The two-income trap will turn into the four-income trap very quickly.

 
Comment by Elanor
2011-07-05 10:35:59

Hey, this idea isn’t new. Next to our town beach on Lake Michigan is an area of very grand homes on the lake. We and our friends call the area “The Privates”. We have a collective dream of all getting together to buy one. Each house is big enough to accommodate quite a crowd, plus most of them have party houses, about the size of my current home, on the beach. Of course the zoning laws prevent group homes, but one has to have a dream. ;)

Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 12:36:31

No problem. Just buy it together, and you can share the house by signing up for specific times to live in it. You can call it a “timeshare.” :-p

Comment by Elanor
2011-07-05 14:19:17

The problem is, the only way we could afford such a palace would be to pool ALL our resources, including the proceeds from selling our individual houses. Besides, I’m sure timeshares are prohibited by the zoning board, too. Everything except building McMansions seems to be verboten here! I am surprised that these beach houses down near the shore have been approved. No one appears to remember that some 25-30 years ago, the waterline was up to the doorsteps of these party ’shacks’. Someday the water levels are going to rise again and these places will float away. Ah, the schadenfreude when that happens!

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Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 07:52:55

More bank branches closing
Weak economy, tighter rules prompt decision
Boston Globe Staff / July 5, 2011

For the first time in 15 years, banks across the United States are closing branches faster than they are opening them, eliminating locations in Massachusetts, other parts of New England, and the rest of the country.

Bank of America, the nation’s largest bank, plans to close 1 in 10 branches nationwide by 2014, including some in Massachusetts. Webster Bank of Waterbury, Conn., plans to close a half-dozen branches, including one in Mansfield, in October. Rockland Trust and Community Bank of Brockton are each closing three branches.

Overall, banks have eliminated more than 1,400 US locations in the past two years. And almost every week, more branches go dark.

“The industry is overbranched,’’ said Bob Meara, senior analyst with Celent, a financial research firm in Boston. “Banks are doing triage with their branch networks and closing the least profitable ones.’’

The branch closings will probably affect people who have business that is difficult to conduct electronically, such as retailers trying to obtain small bills and coins, or customers who prefer giving or getting their money in person. Advocates for the poor also worry that lower-income neighborhoods will feel the brunt of branch closings, forc ing more residents to turn to payday lenders, check cashing services, and other institutions that typically charge higher fees.

“Residents of those neighborhoods will be paying much more to cash their checks, to get loans, and to do their business,’’ said Jesse Van Tol, a spokesman for the National Community Reinvestment Coalition, a Washington advocacy group. “It’s a trend that threatens to create a dual banking system in America: one for the wealthy and one for everybody else.’’

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 08:39:30

I’m trying real hard to feel bad about this.

Trying, trying, trying…

Nope. Not working.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-07-05 09:35:31

They were never “branches” - they were loan stores. Places for the bankstas to do their pushing. Drug pushers have to work out of a trunk or in alleys - the bankers get storefronts with flat screen monitors and lounge lighting.

Remember when Citi opened that lounge concept branch in Manhattan last winter? Marketed to fleece my age cohort with its lounge/nightclub-like atmosphere.

 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2011-07-05 11:59:40

Here in Southeastern Virginia new banks are still popping up. New smaller commercial buildings going up all the time for them. Got one or two of the larger local banks in trouble though.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 08:07:46

Widening GM Truck Supply Looks Like 2008 Again
Jul 5, 2011 (Bloomberg)
Widening GM Truck Supply Reminiscent of 2008 ‘Bad Habits’

General Motors Co. (GM) stocked Jim Ellis Chevrolet in Atlanta with plenty of Silverado full-size pickups in early 2011, part of a wager on a strong economic recovery. The strategy is backfiring.

“We thought that this year would bring back the kind of economic activity that would translate into us selling more trucks,” Mark Frost, the dealership’s general manager, said in a phone interview. “It’s not happening.”

Supply of Silverado has ballooned to 6 1/2 months worth at the dealership, a figure Frost, 52, calls “a little scary.” The Detroit-based automaker, 33 percent owned by the U.S. after its 2009 bankruptcy, has 280,000 Silverado and GMC Sierra pickups on dealers’ lots around the country. If sales continue at June’s rate, that would be enough to last until November.

After GM’s truck inventory swelled to 122 days worth of average sales, the company said 100 to 110 will be normal going forward for such a large and complex line of vehicles, compared with 60 to 70 days for most models. Peter Nesvold, a Jefferies & Co. analyst, isn’t convinced. Ford Motor Co. (F), which makes similar trucks, is running at 79 days, and Nesvold says GM averaged 78 days on hand at year end from 2002 to 2010.

“It’s unbelievable that after this huge taxpayer bailout and the bankruptcy that we’re right back to where we were,” Nesvold, who has a “hold” rating on the stock, said in a telephone interview. “There’s no credibility.” In a research note he asked: “Is GM falling into old, bad habits?”

Comment by measton
2011-07-05 08:51:30

This guy doesn’t understand. The only thing that is propping up our GDP is shuffling papers. Small business is on the decline. That’s going to hurt truck sales.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 08:52:28

They just don’t get it, do they? When you have high unemployment and underemployment, stangnant and falling wages and overall uncertainty in the air, who is supposed to buy all these $30K-40K trucks?

For some reason Corporate America really believes that broke Americans can keep on “consuming” like it’s 2004. Are they really that clueless and do they not understand that the “home ATM” has been permamently shut down?

It’s not surprising that they are pushing pickup trucks, which are superprofitable for them. But there is a reason why they are so profitable: they’re way overpriced!

We all know that during the bubble years the majority of these gas guzzlers were sold to cubicle dwellers who don’t use them the way they are portrayed in the commercials (a guy wearing a hard hat hauling a load of gravel while towing a broken down rival brand truck).

J6P is having hard enough of a time feeding his 5 year old truck, the last thing he wants to do is buy a new one as he doesn’t have a dime to spare for the monthly payment.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 09:09:36

“Are they really that clueless and do they not understand that the “home ATM” has been permamently shut down?

I keep telling you people, yes they are.

Marie Antoinette didn’t get it either.

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-07-05 10:37:21

I was offline for most of the last 10 days and very pleased to see the Marie Antoinette references and the statistic that about half of American workers earn less than $500 per week repeated here. Thanks

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Comment by measton
2011-07-05 12:05:56

Are they really that clueless and do they not understand that the “home ATM” has been permamently shut down?

1. The local dealers are that clueless, think of them as realtors.
2. The top brass understands what’s going on. They lie to maximize their paycheck and borrowing. They probably understand that they will get bailed out. Think of them as bankers, which in a sense some have become.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 13:24:59

The local dealers are that clueless, think of them as realtors.

I Agree 100%.

Anecdote:

In out little burg there used a be a family owned Chrysler/Dodge dealer that had been around for decades. It was centrally located in town, in a modest facility.

Anyway, dad turns it over to junior, who decided to move it to an expensive new facility out in the boondocks that supposed to be “centrally locate” in our Tri City area. The thing is that the other two cities already have their own Dodge/Chrysler dealerships (and the Greeley dealer also expanded into a Taj Mahal of his own).

Long story short: Our local dealer went out business in just one short year and within another year the Greeley dealer also went out of business. The lone surviving dealer was the one who remained at their long term (and probably paid for) location

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 17:00:52

Same thing happened around here.

Longtime local Ford dealer wanted get his idiot savant son into the business, to pass down his shop eventually.

Rumor has it that Junior has a problem with drugs/nose candy.

Senior bought a Hyundai franchise, son hangs his name on the door. Place is out of business within two years. This was back in the mid-2000s, when the economy was “good”.

Son now works a little farther down the totem pole. Insurance Agent.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 09:14:25

I have a friend in the landscaping business that is dropping re-mans in two of his trucks rather than replace them with new ones. Several years ago he would have traded for new in a heartbeat.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 11:11:24

Like I said, Corporate America doesn’t get it. It reminds me of the John Elway anecdote during an NFL strike where he expressed his erroneous belief that most J6Ps made comfortable 6 figure incomes.

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Comment by stewie
2011-07-05 12:44:21

I remember that. Much like Bush senior fawning over the supermarket scanner back in ‘88 (since he’s probably never had to buy groceries in his life), or W expressing ignorance about gas costing $4/g in ‘08 (since he’s probably never had to gas up since his college days when noone knew who he was). These people don’t live in the same world the rest of us do, which is a HUGE part of the problem IMO.

 
Comment by polly
2011-07-05 13:03:53

Living in the real world is knowing the satifacton of buying cereal (normally $4.29 a box) for $1.40 a box (with sale, rain check and coupon all operating at once).

Small pleasures.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-07-05 15:09:22

+1, polly. I’ve been screaming bloody murder ever since Trader Joe’s Joe coffee beans went to $4.99 from $3.49.

(it’s still some of the best priced - and best tasting - coffee around…but c’mon!) :-)

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 09:05:22

The article also mentioned an interesting fact: Ford sold more V6 F-150s than V-8 F-150s in recent months. Might this be a signal of the end of the pickup truck as a macho status symbol and that buyers have more untilitarian uses in mind? After all, you don’t need a 400HP V8 to haul around a toolbox, a lawnmower and a few bags of fertilizer.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 09:25:27

How many of those V-6s are the new, turbocharged 365hp V-6? They are pushing it as a replacement for big V-8s.

Just wonder how a turbo engine is going to hold up towing a trailer in 90-100 degree weather. Color me skeptical.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-05 09:50:10

They’re putting the new SHO motor into trucks? Or something similar-but-different? I’ll have to look that up…

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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-05 10:08:58

Looked it up, you’re right. I’m kind of surprised, too. They’ll probably need about 15psi of boost to make that torque number. They’re also claiming it’ll run on regular, which I assume to be 87 octane. I’m skeptical about high temperature, high load for a long time with that fuel. ECU code is pretty good now, though…I’m sure when it starts knocking they can easily pull timing and boost as needed, and dump fuel in to keep the EGTs down. People may notice the drop off in performance, though.

 
Comment by Elanor
2011-07-05 10:41:21

Carl, I love it when you and X-GS Fixer talk technical. :D

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-07-05 11:42:46

I’m sure when it starts knocking they can easily pull timing and boost as needed, and dump fuel in to keep the EGTs down. People may notice the drop off in performance, though.

Can someone verify whether Carl is talking sense, or just throwing out a bunch of technical jargon that has no meaning??

:)

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-05 11:46:24

:-) I was gonna say…that is THE perfect application for E85 use. And of course the motor isn’t flex fuel. How come they can put it on everything else and not on the one thing that could really use it? With E85 they probably could run full power for a full tank under horrible heat conditions and never have to pull any timing or boost at all.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 11:57:51

Of course, using E85 would knock the crap out of their advertised mileage numbers.

Still don’t know why someone hasn’t built and switched over to a all-new 4-6 cylinder turbo diesel for 1/2 ton trucks. Something that doesn’t command a $3000 plus premium like the Cummins do.

 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Norfolk
2011-07-05 12:05:55

re: 6 cyl diesel.

Because it would hurt sales of more expensive trucks.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 12:16:57

“……talking sense……”

Most cars have computer controller “knock” (detonation) sensors as part of the engine management programs. When it senses detonation (like a turbo V-6 truck pulling a trailer up a hill in 100 degree air temps, for example) it backs off the ignition timing/fuel/boost to prevent it.

Doing this decreases engine power. Also affects mileage.

Hopefully, the engine has internal components (pistons, rings, strong enough to stand up against the increased heat and cylinder pressures of a turbo motor.

See YouTube for some entertaining videos for some unfortunate consequences of backyard “tuners” running too much boost, or nitrous oxide, or both.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-05 12:55:21

Of course, using E85 would knock the crap out of their advertised mileage numbers.

Yeah, but that doesn’t seem to have stopped the domestics from building all sorts of flex fuel vehicles. I have yet to see it offered in a turbocharged vehicle, though…which is where it would actually be useful.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-05 12:58:55

“re: 6 cyl diesel.

Because it would hurt sales of more expensive trucks.”

Exactly. The last thing they want is an affordable, small-sized pickup that carries small loads easily, but still gets good gas mileage. It would cannibalize their other products.

My understanding is they produce such vehicles in overseas markets, where people want practical trucks, not manhood enhancers.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-05 13:01:30

See YouTube for some entertaining videos for some unfortunate consequences of backyard “tuners” running too much boost, or nitrous oxide, or both.

Speaking of which, I ran my old Mitsu for many years at about 18psi on 91 and 24psi on E85. Those values and the custom timing maps were arrived at from years of datalogging and code changes. I sold it to my old mechanic who wanted it for a beater for the one-lap drags at the local circle track. I recommended he leave it alone and just drive it the way he bought it from me. He rejected that advice, took out my custom ECU+code to replace it with something he was more comfortable with, turned it up to 30psi and blew it up the first night. He wasn’t going a bit faster than he would have gone if he’d have just left it alone. Turbo motors can do some amazing things if you take an engineering approach. They’re grenades if you don’t.

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-07-05 14:09:38

Most cars have computer controller “knock” (detonation) sensors as part of the engine management programs. When it senses detonation (like a turbo V-6 truck pulling a trailer up a hill in 100 degree air temps, for example) it backs off the ignition timing/fuel/boost to prevent it.

Thanks. I actually have a decent understanding of cars, engines, and most things mechanical - I was just busting Carl’s chops with all the lingo he threw out there.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-05 14:40:08

I was just busting Carl’s chops with all the lingo he threw out there.

Hey, drum, no chop-busting in this request, but have you created a version of the HBB Joshua Tree extension that plays nicely with Firefox version 5?

Reason for the above: I’m getting all sorts of “update your Firefox 4 browser or die” warnings from the Mozillans.

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-07-05 15:29:05

Hey, drum, no chop-busting in this request, but have you created a version of the HBB Joshua Tree extension that plays nicely with Firefox version 5?

Yes, sorry. I posted here over the weekend, but only once, and late in the day. I’ll hopefully remember to post a comment tomorrow AM for all to see. But click the link on my name and download version 1.5.2.

 
Comment by m2p
2011-07-05 15:36:43

Hey Slim, drumminj posted over the weekend that he had updated the JT extension for version 5. It’s already on his site. I’ll be updating later today myself.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-05 16:30:08

Hey Slim, drumminj posted over the weekend that he had updated the JT extension for version 5. It’s already on his site. I’ll be updating later today myself.

Well guess who engaged in an HBB boycott this past weekend? Me, that’s who! (Went to a concert, a pool party, and a human-powered parade. Had a great time too!)

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 11:13:36

“Just wonder how a turbo engine is going to hold up towing a trailer in 90-100 degree weather.”

Agreed, but how many truck owners actually do that? The few that I do see towing a trailer have diesels. The other guys just have a shiny (as in never used) toolbox in the back.

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Comment by The_Overdog
2011-07-05 14:39:56

It’ll hold up fine. American mfgs are finally making turbo boosted engines allowing smaller size with equivelent horsepower and better fuel economy - the thing the germans have been doing for 20 years.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-05 14:51:38

Yeah, but truck applications are less turbo friendly than car applications when it comes to gasoline motors. Definitely a valid concern. In a car you’re never at full boost for more than a few seconds in normal street driving (except perhaps the autobahn, which the German manufactures have to over-engineer for but at least there’s good airflow at those speeds). In a truck pulling a trailer up a mountain you might be at close to full boost for half an hour at relatively low speed. Huge amounts of heat are generated, and both the intake air as well as the exhaust gases are at very high temperatures due to being compressed. 87 octane gasoline tends to function quite poorly in that environment.

 
 
 
Comment by Steve J
2011-07-05 12:24:32

High fuel prices are slowly starting to sink in. It’s like the 70’s all over.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 13:37:44

Duration duration duration.

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Comment by Robin
2011-07-05 17:32:33

Bring back the Ford Pinto?

Just say NO!

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 09:13:31

A local Chevy dealer is advertising Silverados on the radio for $13,995.

Yeah, that’s a nice way of supporting the resale value of your previous customers.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 09:29:12

14k for the only 2 on the lot.

26k after TT&L and payments, dealer prep, destination, etc.

Ford is coming out with an F-150 that will get 25mph… which is obsolete as their Ranger line already did this. I say “did” as they are discontinuing the line this year.

There is no longer any such thing as the small pick-up.

Dealers are still the car companies biggest problem right now.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 11:47:10

The trouble with pickups is that they don’t scale down very well. at least not like they used to

For all their limitations, they don’t get that much better gas mileage. Maybe a couple more miles per gallon, in my experience.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 17:22:05

I drive an 11yo Ranger class truck that still gets 25mph. I’m over 6′ tall and the cabin is very comfortable.

11 years ago they were able to do this. What’s the problem now? (hint: there isn’t one, the profit margin on efficient vehicles isn’t as great as building the SOC, (same old crap))

 
 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-07-05 09:42:02

That just sounds so “Soviet”. Just switch Silverados with tractors.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-05 08:18:48

Is 10%+ loans in delinquency the new normal for banks?

July 5, 2011, 7:07 a.m. EDT
China’s problem loans looking bleaker: Moody’s
By Chris Oliver, MarketWatch

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Moody’s Investors Service on Tuesday said the scale of problem loans at Chinese banks could be closer to the bleaker range of estimates it has given previously.

There’s pressure on Beijing to free up China’s raw materials, while at the bottom of the ocean, Japanese explorers discover a new stash of rare-earth minerals.

The ratings agency said it believes 8% to 12% of loans extended by Chinese banks could eventually be classed as non-performing, revising its outlook from an earlier view that such problems would be seen in a range of 5% to 8% of loans.

Moody’s said the range for its worst-case scenario would involve 10% to 18% of loans in jeopardy of sliding into delinquency, although this isn’t the scenario it believes likely to unfold.

Comment by yensoy
2011-07-05 11:07:53

Moody’s - well, enough said.

Anyway the worst case scenario will unfold when property prices tank and I’m sure Moody’s is still counting on at worst a leveling of property prices in their precious model. 20% non performing loans wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

 
Comment by measton
2011-07-05 11:33:56

Well if Mooooody’s thinks the worst case scenario is 10-18% you can bank on that???

Do you think saying “you can bank on that” will become a form of sarcasm??

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-05 08:23:30

How is the recovery treating your family so far?

JULY 5, 2011

Inside the Disappointing U.S. Recovery
By JON HILSENRATH And CONOR DOUGHERTY

Two years after the official end of the worst recession since the Great Depression, the recovery is proving to be among the most disappointing since the Great Depression.

Across a wide range of measures—employment growth, unemployment levels, bank lending, economic output, income growth, home prices and household expectations for financial well-being—the economy’s improvement since the recession’s end in June 2009 has been the worst, or one of the worst, since the government started tracking these trends after World War II.

The biggest problem may be household indebtedness. At the peak of the economic boom in the third quarter of 2007, U.S. households collectively had borrowed the equivalent of 127% of their annual incomes to fund purchases of homes, cars and other goods, up from an average of 84% in the 1990s. The money used to pay off that debt means less available for new spending. Households had worked their debt-to-income levels down to 112% by the first quarter, in part because banks have written off some debt as uncollectible.

Jurgen Schulz, owner of K-5, a San Diego area retailer that sells surfboards, skateboards and lifestyle apparel, sees more people living month-to-month. “Our sales trail way off the further it gets from pay period,” he said. Mr. Schulz, in turn, didn’t hire this year the six to eight seasonal workers his company usually brings on each summer.

Getting rid of debt could be a long and slow process. To get back to a 1990s debt-to-income ratio of 84%, households would either need to pay down another $3.3 trillion of debt, or see their incomes rise $3.9 trillion. That’s equivalent to about nine years’ worth of income growth in normal times, estimates Credit Suisse economist Dana Saporta.

Debt constraints are especially hard on consumers who before the crisis relied on credit cards or home equity lines to keep spending when they faced income shortfalls. Now many of those lines have been limited or cut.

With less access to credit, many families are finding the only way to make ends meet is to cut spending.

“Every single month you’re struggling, struggling, struggling,” says Javier Toro, 49, a father of three. He makes $13 an hour as a customer service representative at a non-profit that administers a program offering free energy efficiency upgrades to homeowners. The program, funded by the 2009 stimulus law, ends in a few months as government funds dry up. He’s paying about $100 a month to keep current on $3,000 in credit card debt, but making no headway paying down principal. To make ends meet, he’s cut his cable and Internet service, and the fixed telephone line to his rented home.

He said, “You don’t see when this is going to stop.”

Debt and a dismal job market have hurt consumers’ confidence, which further damps their willingness to spend. The University of Michigan finds that 24% of households expect to be better off financially within a year’s time.

That’s the lowest this measure has been at this point in a recovery since World War II.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 08:43:06

Just think how bad it would be if this were REALLY a depression!

And the “Not A Depression Recession” rolls along.

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-07-05 10:51:31

Ah yes, it’s the “recoveryless recovery”

The bi-partisan pigmen corp/gov/media types are flying high up at the NBER in Cambridge, in Greenwich CT, Madison Avenue and Wall Street, down in Dee Cee and the N VA military contractor merchants of death, and 3,000 miles beyond flyover in TMZ-land and up in Silly-con valley where they just tweet their way to prosperity. It’s the “return to normalcy” that propelled Harding to victory in 1920.

Javier Toro needs to get with the program and stop being economic girly man. It’s Morning In Amerikwa!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-05 13:58:44

Was out at a concert on Friday eve. Met up with a neighbor and his very nice lady friend, and the conversation landed on this (not quite a Great) Depression.

They found it quite amusing when I said that this current Depression could be a great one. All it has to do is put its mind to it, and then it can be Great too.

Just trying to help out with the positive thinking…

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 17:18:10

BA DUMP BA!

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 08:54:57

He said, “You don’t see when this is going to stop.”

J6P is finally understanding that good times are not around the corner and that the current situation is the new normal.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 09:15:00

…and will therefore blame Obama and Dems by association, then vote heavily Republican, the party that sent his jobs offshore and stripped away his rights in the first place, thus securing our doom.

(wanna bet this won’t happen?)

You can’t fix this kind of stupid.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 09:55:57

With all due respect, you can’t fix the kind of stupid that thinks all the bad stuff is done by one “party”, as in whoever seems to have a majority. In most cases, the minor party goes along by default, without an outcry or real struggle. Drama, yes, struggle, no, and things plod on the same course regardless of the appearance of shifts in power.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 10:14:08

“Most” of the “bad stuff” WAS done by one party.

Not all, but most.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 10:21:38

Oh. Well then, the next election will change everything, we can believe in that.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 14:02:21

that thinks all the bad stuff War$ I + War$ II is done by one “deficit’$-don’t-matter” “party” ;-)

Details, details…

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 17:16:23

See my original post above.

The next election will indeed change everything… for the worse.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-07-05 17:22:38

Nothing sillier to me than empty-headed partisan arguments over which wing of our one-party system, the Republicrat duopoly, has done more to run the country into the ground. And nothing more insane than continuing to entrust your pathetic little vote to a Republicrat Tweedle Dum/Tweedle Dee candidate who is pursuing exactly the same ends as his “opponent.”

Wake up, people.

 
 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 09:17:10

If current conditions continue, at what point does our current recession inherit the title of “Great Depression”?

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-05 09:24:26

I bet it would have to be at least twice as bad as the 30s before they’d think about admitting it. Otherwise we’ll all pretend it never got that bad.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-07-05 09:44:21

“J6P is finally understanding that good times are not around the corner…”

The ramifications of such a realization could be immense - at least to those betting a snap back to the boomtimes of the last couple decades.

Comment by measton
2011-07-05 11:35:25

Cue combotechi

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Comment by Doghouse Riley
2011-07-05 10:09:07

I owe my frugality today to the stories I heard from my Gran about growing up in the Midwest back in the ’30s.

Do you realize that entire years went by during which they weren’t able to afford any lifestyle apparel??

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 10:24:16

“lifestyle apparel”? One of my granny’s family went three years on a Kansas farm without a Harvest.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-07-05 10:32:03

“One of my granny’s family went three years on a Kansas farm without a Harvest.”

Yowch. That would make it really hard to keep the family fed.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-05 11:01:35

Are we related? Because lots of my ancestors were in the same pot of Kansas stew back in the 1930s.

Perhaps this helps explain why nothing about the current financial episode very much surprises me.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 11:16:43

Burdett KS

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-05 10:59:58

“…lifestyle apparel…”

Mom grew up in Depression-era Midwestern environs wearing what they called ‘flour sack drawers’: Underwear fashioned from the cloth bags in which baking flour was sold back in the day.

Comment by Patrick
2011-07-05 14:10:57

A friend’s wife’s father was a fisherman in New Brunswick.

Her father could only put lobster on the table for breakfast, lunch and supper- every day, year after year.

She easily handed me a huge cast iron frying pan once with one hand which I couldn’t control with both hands !

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-05 14:41:38

Sounds like that friend’s wife didn’t need to go to the gym. All she had to do was go into the kitchen and lift that frying pan a few times.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 15:09:40

Her father could only put lobster on the table for breakfast, lunch and supper- every day, year after year.

Hwy is friends with a married couple (50+years) both from Polish farmers from ND & IN, both school teachers (30+ years), both had potato meals in their youth for breakfast, lunch, dinner & dessert. They’re not keen much on potato anything.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 13:58:21

How is the recovery treating your family so far?

households would either need to pay down another $3.3 trillion of debt, or see their incomes rise $3.9 trillion.

Hwy thought you eCONomics guesstimators recognized a “conundrum” when it was staring you right in the face, Eastwood “angry-squint” style? :-)

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-07-05 14:55:55

At the risk of sounding like I didn’t hear any of the good points brought up in the article, I’d like to give kudos to the authors for being the only ones I’ve seen use the word “damps” instead of “dampens” in this context. :-)

 
 
Comment by measton
2011-07-05 08:35:21

President Barack Obama’s financial overhaul law is nearly a year old. For congressional Republicans, the fight to weaken it is just starting.

Wary of trying to repeal the entire statute and being portrayed as Wall Street’s protectors — banks rank among the country’s least popular institutions — GOP lawmakers are trying to nibble away at the behemoth measure. It’s a crusade they’re waging despite lacking the White House and Senate control they need to prevail.

Days ago, one Republican-run House committee approved bills diluting parts of the law requiring reports on corporate salaries and exempting some investment advisers from registering with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Another House panel voted to slice $200 million from Obama’s $1.4 billion budget request for the SEC, which has a major enforcement role.

Meanwhile, Senate Republicans are continuing a procedural blockade that has helped prevent Obama from putting Elizabeth Warren or anyone else in charge of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which opens its doors in two weeks.

The law hurts “the formation of capital, the cost of capital and access to capital, and you can’t have capitalism without capital,” said Rep. Jeb Hensarling,

Then the money shot

The financial industry leans Republican in its campaign contributions but not overwhelmingly. Sixty-one percent of the $9 million that commercial banks gave federal candidates for the 2010 elections went to Republicans, while 54 percent of the securities and investment industry’s $9 million went to Democrats, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

yahoo.com/gop-uses-budget-other-tools-sap-financial-law-070222193.html

Comment by measton
2011-07-05 08:37:00

The law hurts “the formation of capital, the cost of capital and access to capital, and you can’t have capitalism without capital,” said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, a leader of the House Financial Services Committee.

Uh Jeb, the problem isn’t that there isn’t enough capital, it’s that most people don’t trust the system and are broke.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 08:45:19

No kidding.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 09:20:00

There’s plenty of capital. It’s all being used to pump up commodity and stock prices, and invest overseas.

The blood-sucking lampreys have killed the host. Now they are moving on to another host.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-05 18:49:02

“the formation of capital, the cost of capital and access to capital, and you can’t have capitalism without capital,”

Let us pray….

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 11:03:53

The law hurts “the formation of capital, the cost of capital and access to capital, and you can’t have capitalism without capital,” said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, a leader of the House Financial Services Committee.

These people won’t be happy until the 1%ers control 99% of the wealth. Funny how this wasn’t a problem during the Eisenhower administration with its “high” income tax rates.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 14:59:45

one Republican-run House committee approved bills diluting parts of the law requiring reports on corporate salaries and exempting some investment advisers from registering with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

The young repubicans care about you, peon-worker, they really care…about you!

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 17:15:09

They care about you… and how much you have in your wallet to spend.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-05 18:47:46

It’s a crusade they’re waging despite lacking the White House and Senate control they need to prevail.

Nutjobs like waging crusades even when they can’t prevail. Why? They like crusades.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 08:56:55

“You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequence of avoiding reality.” ~Ayn Rand

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-05 09:16:33

You can if you’re rich.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 10:04:37

+1

 
Comment by measton
2011-07-05 10:14:42

+10

I’d say the WS crew has faired well avoiding reality. All the consequences have fallen on the rest of America.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 11:01:43

All the consequences have fallen on the rest of America.

Who for the most part just go to work and mind their own business.

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Comment by measton
2011-07-05 11:36:42

Well accept for the 30% w/o jobs.

 
Comment by measton
2011-07-05 12:28:31

except

 
 
 
Comment by yensoy
2011-07-05 11:09:28

Strauss-Kahn wasn’t able to avoid reality but I think he will avoid the consequence of avoiding reality.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-05 14:00:49

Here’s my take: He may have dodged this charge, but just you wait. All sorts of accusers will come out of the woodwork, and at least one will tell a story that stands up to scrutiny.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-05 09:41:16

“Libertarians are a monstrous, disgusting bunch of people”~Ayn Rand

:shock:

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-05 18:55:56

“You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequence of avoiding reality.” ~Ayn Rand

Arn’t her quotes great? Isn’t it cool she’s influential?

http://www.slate.com/id/2233966/

(Ayn Rand’s) diaries…lay out the Nietzschean mentality that underpins all her later writings. The newspapers were filled for months with stories about serial killer called William Hickman, who kidnapped a 12-year-old girl called Marion Parker from her junior high school, raped her, and dismembered her body, which he sent mockingly to the police in pieces.

Rand wrote great stretches of praise for him, saying he represented “the amazing picture of a man with no regard whatsoever for all that a society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. A man who really stands alone, in action and in soul. … Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should.” She called him “a brilliant, unusual, exceptional boy,” shimmering with “immense, explicit egotism.” Rand had only one regret: “A strong man can eventually trample society under its feet. That boy [Hickman] was not strong enough.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 20:50:12

Ayn Rand

aynrand = yarn and…

yarn/yärn/:

Verb: Tell a long or implausible story.
Noun: Spun thread used for knitting, weaving, or sewing.

 
 
 
Comment by Steve J
2011-07-05 08:59:30

Looks like Australia still has a long long way to drop:

The median price of houses and units in Melbourne has fallen by $21,000 from its peak in November 2010, to about $500,000. ”Melbourne has hit the brakes,” Mr Lawless said.

http://m.smh.com.au/business/house-prices-falling-at-worse-rate-than-2008-20110630-1gsyc.html

Comment by MrBubble
2011-07-05 10:42:08

The denial runs deep with my in-laws in Perth. Instead of lowering the asking price, they’ll take it off the market for the winter. Nooooo! This abode is their most of their retirement plan. Which means that we are most of their retirement plan.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 10:59:17

I just don’t get the prices in places like Canada or Oz. Both are sparsely populated countries that have tons of land, and yet even backwaters like Regina or Perth have Malibu prices. 99% of both countries are “flyover country”.

Comment by MrBubble
2011-07-05 11:22:38

I believe that they think that their China driven commodity boom will keep things humming. Didn’t work out so well the last time though.

And getting fresh water can be a difficult task Down Under and is predicted to get even worse in the next century.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 13:37:38

That is one advantage the Canadians have.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-05 19:00:45

I believe that they think that their China driven commodity boom will keep things humming. Didn’t work out so well the last time though.

Depressions always end. Population is growing and although many are suffering, many more globally are advancing.

Why would not a “commodity boom” (with ups and downs) last?

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-07-05 20:30:00

Go to Muhlenberg County, KY.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by EnglishmaninNJ
2011-07-05 09:56:07

I see our old friend Mark Zandi today predicts that the worst is over and things will “get better” from here on out.

Oh yes, and he also says that Jamie Dimon is the ideal candidate to succeed Timmy…..really, there is absolutely no penalty for getting it wrong again and again if you are a pro-FIRE pundit.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 10:15:18

Jamie Dimon is the ideal candidate for the rich.

I would love to know Obama’s mind on this. Does Obama still truly think that he can appoint an insider for the knowledge and market skillz, while avoiding the corruption and greed that comes with it? Obama tried that with Larry Summers, and in the end he fell to the siren song of Wall Street. Obama would be foolish to try it again with someone even more powerful and God-favored, such as Dimon.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 10:29:07

It would be a real shot across the bow, if he must appoint someone from the banking world, to draft the President of a small town Midwestern bank, a small but respectable one. If he were to find his own voice, like JFK.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-05 10:57:03

Sheila Bair might be worth a look.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-05 14:02:57

I agree. She knows her way around DC, and this includes the ability to survive political battles.

Plus, well, I hate to say this, but there’s the gender angle. DC isn’t known as a very nice place for women in high places. But Bair seems to know how to handle it.

Besides, I don’t think this country has ever had a woman Secretary of the Treasury.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-05 19:06:25

Besides, I don’t think this country has ever had a woman Secretary of the Treasury.

Robert Rubin.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 11:29:08

Nice to see, but never happen. They’ll tell Barry who it’s going to be, just before handing him a contribution.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-05 19:04:18

Jamie Dimon is the ideal candidate for the rich.

The only non-bankster Sec. of Treasury in the last 20 years was Paul Henry O’Neill (nominated by George W. Bush.)

He was pushed out.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-05 10:55:23

“…Jamie Dimon is the ideal candidate to succeed Timmy…”

Better the devil you know…

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 10:11:53

Snowbird caps longest season with holiday skiing
Monday, July 4, 2011 Deseret News

LITTLE COTTONWOOD CANYON — A few thousand mostly red-and-blue-clad skiers celebrated the Fourth of July on the white slopes at Snowbird Ski and Summer Resort.

“This is unbelievable,” said Salt Lake City resident Melissa Witman, who wore a red, white and blue bikini top Monday on the resort’s final day of the ski season. “It’s summer skiing!”

Temperatures in the 50s and 60s made swimsuits and shorts popular choices for skiers who decided to take advantage of the longest ski season in Snowbird’s 39-year history.

“It’s beautiful up here on the Fourth of July,” said Clayton Butler of Salt Lake City, who wore only skis, boots, a helmet and a Speedo. “It’s a little chilly if you hang out up top too long. But once you start going, it warms right up.”

By being open for skiing Monday, Snowbird set a record for the number of days it was able to stay open in a single season with 202, said Emily Moench, the resort’s communications manager. The previous record of 201 was set in 2005.

Snowbird also had a record for snowfall this season, with 783 inches — topping the previous high by nearly 100 inches, Moench said.

“It’s a spectacular way to wrap of the season,” she said of the holiday skiing.

Skiing and snowboarding were limited to the upper mountain, where snow reportedly was about 12 feet deep. The lower portions of the resort were open for summertime activities such as the alpine slide, a zip line, bungee trampolines and a climbing wall.

Comment by Elanor
2011-07-05 10:46:50

Geez, I feel so…mundane, going kayaking and sailing over the 4th.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 10:15:24

The big squeeze: Families need to earn 20% more than last year to maintain living standards - dailymail.co.uk

Households with children need to earn 20 per cent more this year than last to maintain the lifestyle their family has become used to, research shows.

Even though official figures show living costs rising by about five per cent a year, families requiring childcare would typically have to increase gross earnings by four times that in order to maintain living standards.

This is because child benefit has been frozen and tax credits have been reduced for many families.

Most significantly, tax credits helping low-income families meet childcare costs have been cut, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation data showed.

This makes it harder for low-paid women to earn enough even to cover the cost of childcare, according to the foundation.

The research found that a couple with two children now need to earn at least £18,400 each or a total of £36,800 if they work full-time, to meet the charity’s measure of a good quality of life.

Families with a single earner need gross earnings of £31,600 and a lone parent would need to be earning £18,200 to meet the minimum acceptable standard of living.
Family Watching TV

Family struggle: The average family which requires childcare will see a 20 per cent increase in the cost of living compared to last year

A minimum income standard for the UK in 2011 shows how much various households need to reach a minimum standard of living, using measures determined by members of the public.

Researchers found that over the past decade, the cost of a ‘minimum’ basket of goods and services has risen by 43 per cent, compared to a 27 per cent increase in the Consumer Price Index (CPI).

These differences matter greatly because many people on low incomes rely on benefits and tax credits which are now uprated by the CPI.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 10:31:14

This is going to hurt, when it snaps.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 10:52:27

Researchers found that over the past decade, the cost of a ‘minimum’ basket of goods and services has risen by 43 per cent, compared to a 27 per cent increase in the Consumer Price Index (CPI).

So they’re fudging their inflation numbers too. Nice.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 10:54:50

A quick looksie. The minimum wage in the UK is currently about $9.50 per hour.

Comment by polly
2011-07-05 11:05:28

And health care is included in your taxes.

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 14:04:05

That’s huge. In the US that would translate to the $500/week crowd to the $750/week crowd. And guess where that $250/week is going? (hint: not the Caymans.)

 
 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 11:37:21

“……fudging the numbers…….”

The New National Past Time.

 
 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-07-05 11:21:17

How’s that Hope and Change working out for you now, limey wankers?

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 13:40:45

Given that their current government is “Conservative” and not “Labor” they got more than they asked for.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-05 19:11:02

Researchers found that over the past decade, the cost of a ‘minimum’ basket of goods and services has risen by 43 per cent, compared to a 27 per cent increase in the Consumer Price Index (CPI).

And now they are again talking about messing with the CPI to help “balance the budget.”

But raising taxes on the richest (who have historically low taxes) is “off the table.’

You people supporting Republicans on this issue have declared war on 90% of your own people.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-05 19:12:48

Yes the article was about Great Britain. It’s the same fudging here.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 10:25:00

State layoffs of 1,300 employees hitting home
~ TALLAHASSEE

Millions of Floridians head back to work today after a three-day Fourth of July weekend.

But Toni Gugliotta won’t be among them.

She’ll be applying for $275 a week in unemployment benefits instead.

The Pinellas County woman is among 1,300 state employees put out of work by the new budget approved by the Legislature and signed into law by Gov. Rick Scott on May 26.

Scott kept his promise to reduce the size of the state government bureaucracy. But he did so at the expense of real people with mortgages, health care bills, college tuition payments and credit card payments.

Many of them earned less than $30,000 a year after years of state employment.

To them, the Scott mantra “Let’s get to work” rings hollow. They now join the hordes of Floridians looking for work in a state with an unemployment rate that, while declining, remains in double digits at 10.6 percent.

The state agencies that took the biggest hits are the Department of Juvenile Justice and the Department of Children and Families, which together account for most of the layoffs.

“It’s like 12 years going down the drain,” Gugliotta said.

Gugliotta, 50, of Dunedin, earned nearly $29,000 a year as one of 18 full-time community service officers under the Florida Highway Patrol. CSOs, as they were known, directed traffic and handled fender-bender accidents, freeing up Florida Highway Patrol troopers for more serious calls.

Most CSOs were in Pinellas and Hillsborough counties, where the program was created.

The program was a perennial target of budget cuts but always managed to survive — until this year. After 14 years, it’s gone.

“I was proud to wear the uniform,” Gugliotta said. “I did not walk out of my house with a stain or a crease.”

For the first time in 15 years, she’ll be without a paycheck this week. She’s single and has no other income and plans to file for unemployment benefits, but worries knowing the $275 a week won’t cover her $560 monthly health insurance premiums and other bills.

“I have a mortgage. I have bills. I have to pay for my knee surgery,” Gugliotta said.

She also worries about motorists who she says will now have to wait longer for help.

“Wait until hurricane season. Wait until schools open,” she said. “The snowbirds are going to come down soon. Here, when they need us the most, they’re eliminating the program.”

Firing the CSOs saves $900,000. That’s a pittance, Gugliotta says, compared with the waste that went into the $48 million courthouse in Tallahassee known as the Taj Mahal.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 11:35:47

“18 officers”…..”saves $900,000″

Works out to $50K/year…….she made $29K.

So where did the $20K delta go? …….was the program run by a $380K/year administrator?

Comment by drumminj
2011-07-05 11:57:52

So where did the $20K delta go? …….was the program run by a $380K/year administrator?

i assume the $50k/year is total cost of benefits/employing the person - the $29k is just salary.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 13:44:44

A family health care plan can run 10K, then toss in a few thousand for the pension or 403b plus overhead and there you have it.

FWIW, my employers bills our customers $100 per hour for my time. Between salary, insurance and Paid Time Off I see about 60% of that. The rest is gobbled up by overhead and profit.

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Comment by butters
2011-07-05 15:00:51

Watch out, Obama is coming after you with neew taxes….

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 16:16:21

Colorado is a wage earning peon just like me. If anything our taxes are going down.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-05 19:15:09

A family health care plan can run 10K,

Unless you need to use it. Then it can run maybe double.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 14:53:50

Scott kept his promise to reduce the size of the state government bureaucracy. But he did so at the expense of real people with mortgages, health care bills, college tuition payments and credit card payments.

Many of them earned less than $30,000 a year after years of state employment.

Job$! Job$!, Job$! :-)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 10:30:37

New Yorkers: Beware of ‘Monster’ Plant Causing Blisters, Blindness
July 05, 2011 | Associated Press

A monster plant with flowers the size of umbrellas and sap that causes blisters and blindness is spreading across New York.

It’s the giant hogweed, an invasive species, and the Department of Environmental Conservation is asking for help locating outbreaks so they can send crews to nip it in the bud.

The agency has a Giant Hogweed Hotline at 845-256-3111 for people to call and report sightings. Callers are asked to provide photos and site information, but avoid touching the plant.

This is DEC’s fourth year of controlling giant hogweed. Six crews totaling 14 people will visit most of the 944 known giant hogweed sites.

Sites with less than 400 plants will be controlled by hand cutting their roots; sites with more than 400 plants will be controlled with herbicide.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-05 11:14:13

How did this stuff get out of Wall Street? We’re losing our talent here!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 10:35:13

Revealed: Tim Geithner’s Cover Letter to Goldman Sachs
By Constantine von Hoffman | bnet.com

Timothy F. Geithner
Department of The Treasury
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington DC 20220
(202) 622-2000
Moneyguy01@treas.gov

HR Department
Goldman Sachs & Co.
200 West Street
New York, NY 10282

Dear Mr./Ms. Last Name:

I am writing to apply for the position of Master Of The Universe at Goldman Sachs as advertised in The Bilderberg Group Daily News. I believe my experience in experimenting on the economy playing with other people’s money makes me an excellent candidate for this position. As requested, I am enclosing a completed job application, my certification, my resume and three references. (Please call Dr. Kissinger first. He’s not getting any younger.)

I have extensive experience working with the rich and powerful. My most recent job was as secretary of the U.S. Treasury (a situation which put a premium on diversity awareness). Even before I took the job I was the center of attention in Washington. And despite not paying any income taxes for four years, my nomination was opposed by only a third of the Senate. As Treasury Secretary, I ended all those fluctuations in the unemployment rate and kept it at a nice steady level. Despite the job’s title, I did NOT answer phones or any filing. Although I can do both while typing 120 wpm. With one hand.

Among my many other accomplishments: Helping a large number of financial institutions avoid the consequences of their actions. As many of the very large number of our mutual friends (hint, hint) will tell you, the quid pro quo on this — cutting executive salaries and perks while limiting dividends and corporate acquisitions — was strictly window dressing. Remember the bonuses AIG paid to executives in its Financial Services division after receiving $170 billion in bailout?

Prior to my current position I served as president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It was in that job, when I got Bear Stearns a $30 billion bailout, that I discovered my true vocation: Giving large amounts of other people’s money to down-on-their-luck wealthy institutions. This was very important to help the economy, no matter what Paul Krugman says. I mean really, what’s he ever done?

In closing I would just like to say how much I respect and admire your CEO, Lloyd Blankfein, whom everyone agrees is very spry for a man of his age.

Very Sincerely Yours,

Tim

P.S.: Don’t believe what you read in the press about me: I still want the job. Actually, just don’t believe anything about me you read in the press. Call me!

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-07-05 17:27:49

TTT will be well rewarded for his service to the bankers while in “public” office.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 10:48:27

Maryland Councilwoman Resigns Under Pressure After Guilty Plea
July 05, 2011| Associated Press

The wife of former Prince George’s County Executive Jack Johnson resigned from her seat on the County Council on Tuesday, five days after she pleaded guilty to destroying evidence in a federal corruption probe.

Leslie Johnson handed her resignation letter to Council Chair Ingrid Turner on Tuesday morning, said her attorney, Shawn Wright. The resignation is effective July 31, the last day before the Council recess.

Johnson admitted in federal court that she destroyed a $100,000 check from a developer to her husband and stuffed nearly $80,000 in illicit cash into her underwear as federal agents knocked on the door of the couple’s Mitchellville home. Her sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 13; sentencing guidelines call for her to receive between a year and a year and a half in prison.

Jack Johnson pleaded guilty to shaking down developers for more than $400,000 in cash and other favors in exchange for doing business with the county during his eight years in office. He faces more than a decade in prison.

“After careful thought and consideration, I tendered my resignation this morning as a member of the Prince George’s County Council for District 6,” Leslie Johnson said in a statement read by Wright. “My resignation is important for the constituents of District 6 so that the district can be in the best possible position to continue to move forward. I again apologize for my mistake.”

Johnson was not legally obligated to resign. She would have been forced to give up her seat, which carries a $96,000 annual salary, only after her sentencing, and Wright said Thursday that Johnson planned to remain in office until that date.

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 11:33:41

Won’t be long now the savvy will be out snapping up RE in droves.

Best Consumer Credit Since ‘06 Reveals Loan Rebound Across U.S.
(Bloomberg)

Michael Busick says his credit union “was shocked” to discover his credit score was 812 of a possible 850 when he applied for a $19,500 new-car loan.

The loan officer told Busick he rarely sees scores so close to perfect, said the Charlotte, North Carolina, math teacher, who added that he always pays his bills on time and doesn’t “overextend.” He got the funds in May.

The average U.S. credit score — a predictor of the likelihood lenders will be paid back — rose to 696 in May, the highest in at least four years, according to Equifax Inc., a provider of consumer-credit data. The ratio of consumer-debt payments to incomes is the lowest since 1994, and delinquencies have dropped 30 percent in two years, Federal Reserve data show.

Improving credit quality gives households the ability to lift borrowing as concerns ease about rising gasoline prices, hard-to-find jobs and falling home prices. A reacceleration in spending would belie Morgan Stanley economist Stephen Roach’s assertion that consumers will be “zombies” for years because of too much debt.

“The financial situation of the household sector has improved far faster and far more than everyone thought it would two years ago,” said James Paulsen, chief investment strategist for Wells Capital Management in Minneapolis. “People are still locked into the view that consumers are facing record burdens, and they are not. There has been a change that is sustainable and durable.”
Willing to Lend

Bank senior loan officers reported a pickup in demand for auto loans in the second quarter, following first-quarter growth for all consumer lending — the first increase since 2005, according to a quarterly Fed survey released in May. About 29 percent were more willing to make consumer installment loans, the highest percentage since 1994, the survey found.

“The household deleveraging process is much further along than is appreciated,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics Inc. in West Chester, Pennsylvania. “This is evident in the rapid improvement in credit quality. ‘Zombie consumers’ is a mischaracterization of the state of the American consumer.”

More borrowing could help spur growth slowed by higher gasoline prices, Paulsen said. That will make stocks more attractive than bonds, pushing the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index up about 8 percent to 1,450 by year end, while raising the yield on 10-year Treasury notes more than half a point to 3.75 percent, he said.

Comment by measton
2011-07-05 12:32:05

Yes and elephants could fly if they were 99.9% lighter and had wings.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 13:46:24

The average U.S. credit score — a predictor of the likelihood lenders will be paid back — rose to 696 in May

That’s it? I know someone who filed for BK last year and his credit score is already in that range.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 14:53:40

After some thought it occurs to me that the average score is probably pulled down by the bottom half of the workforce, who no doubt are frequently late with their CC and other payments.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-05 14:05:05

Michael Busick says his credit union “was shocked” to discover his credit score was 812 of a possible 850 when he applied for a $19,500 new-car loan.

Heck, if I were in Michael’s shoes, I’d be asking why the car has to cost so durned much. But that’s just me.

Comment by rms
2011-07-05 18:02:02

My wife needs another car, station wagon or mini-van, but one look at the prices, both new and used, and I stand-down; we’ll wait until the current ride stops in the street and needs towing.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 11:45:59

If you have time read some of the comments… Sounds familiar.

Train-Maker Bombardier Cuts Over 1,400 Jobs
UK, Tuesday July 05, 2011

Darren Little, Midlands correspondent, in Derby
The engineering firm Bombardier has said almost 1,500 jobs are to go at its Derby factory, the last train manufacturing plant in Britain.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Business/Bombardier-Set-To-Announce-2000-Job-Losses-In-Derby-After-Losing-Key-Government-Train-Contract/Article/201107116023872?lpos=Business_First_Buisness_Article_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_16023872_Bombardier_Set_To_Announce_2%2C000_Job_Losses_In_Derby_After_Losing_Key_Government_Train_Contract

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 12:35:46

From the article

“Over half of these positions are highly skilled engineers.”

Making engineers salaries, I might add.

It isn’t about the $12/hour assembly line worker. Doesn’t matter if it’s cars, TV, passenger trains, airplanes……..when the supporting infrastructure is gone, it’s cost prohibitive to recreate.

Colleges won’t be training engineers, and votechs won’t train machinists for positions that don’t/won’t exist.

Which is one of the biggest “Crimes against American Humanity” by the Multi Nationals like GE….. Decades of research have been handed over to the Chinese for free. Now, that they have assimilated all this technology, they are re-inventing it, and filing patents in the US and Europe on it.

When it comes to industrial policy, the US is wearing a gigantic “KICK ME” sign on our backs.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-05 13:48:35

Colleges won’t be training engineers, and votechs won’t train machinists for positions that don’t/won’t exist.

Bingo, while the shills scream that Americans are too lazy to be engineers.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-05 15:44:55

Yup, I hear this junk in the science realm too. Every year the American Chemical Society suckers in some grad students (females) to go do chromatography butterflies and soda bottle something or other in the elementary schools to “get kids interested in science.” Meanwhile, the same ACS does all it can to promote chemists in China and other countries.

I told them off years ago, saying that if they were going to promote jobs in other countries, then they can get their dues money from other countries too.

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Comment by measton
2011-07-05 14:47:39

It’s worse than that. It goes all the way up the pyramid. Small business owners, non exporting small medium and large businesses, doctors, lawyers, athletes, entertainers, politicians etc etc.

When the middle clas, science, and manufacturing technology etc are gone they are gone for a long long time. With the loss of this we will have political instability and rising crime.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-05 19:21:03

When the middle clas, science, and manufacturing technology etc are gone they are gone for a long long time. With the loss of this we will have political instability and rising crime.

And constant propaganda telling us it’s our “lazy” fellow countryman’s fault.

I’m glad enough aren’t dumb enough to swallow.

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Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 11:51:10

Obama tries to stop execution in Texas of Mexican killer
US president warns Texan authorities that execution would put America in breach of international legal obligations

guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 5 July 2011

President Barack Obama has asked the Texan authorities not to execute the convicted rapist and murderer Humberto Leal Garcia

President Barack Obama is attempting to block the execution in Texas on Thursday of a Mexican man because it would breach an international convention and do “irreparable harm” to US interests.

The White House has asked the US supreme court to put the execution of Humberto Leal Garcia on hold while Congress passes a law that would prevent the convicted rapist and murderer from being put to death along with dozens of other foreign nationals who were denied proper access to diplomatic representation before trials for capital crimes.

The administration moved after the governor of Texas, Rick Perry, brushed aside appeals from diplomats, top judges, senior military officers, the United Nations and former president George W Bush to stay Leal’s execution because it could jeopardise American citizens arrested abroad as well as US diplomatic interests.

Leal, 38, was convicted in 1994 of the rape and murder of a 16-year-old girl in San Antonio. Few question that he was responsible for the killing but the Texas authorities failed to tell Leal, who was born in Mexico and has lived in the US since the age of two, that under the Vienna convention he was entitled to contact the Mexican consulate when he was arrested.

Leal’s lawyers argue that the lack of consular access played a role in the death penalty being applied because the Mexican national incriminated himself in statements made during “non-custodial interviews” with the police on the day of the murder. Had Leal had access to the Mexican consulate it would have been likely to have arranged a lawyer who would have advised the accused man to limit his statements to the police. As it was, the Mexican authorities were never informed of his arrest.

In a 30-page brief to the supreme court, the administration said that the carrying out of the execution “would place the United States in irreparable breach of its international law obligation” under the convention.

The White House said it was in the US’s interests to meet its treaty obligations.

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-05 12:40:35

“Few question that he was responsible for the killing”

Gov Perry can only give a 30 reprieve. And he’s running for President.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 14:35:35

The administration moved after the governor of Texas, Rick Perry, brushed aside appeals from diplomats, top judges, senior military officers, the United Nations …and former president George W Shrub …to stay Leal’s execution because it could jeopardise American citizens arrested abroad as well as US diplomatic interests.

Perry lockin’ long horns with one of his own. Lovely! ;-)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 12:12:18

Bankrupt Real Housewives star Sonja Morgan faces losing $6m mansion in divorce battle By Daily Mail Reporter

Real Housewives of New York star Sonja Morgan could lose her $6m mansion in her bitter divorce battle.

Bankrupt reality TV star Morgan, 47, is currently battling in court over a $3m settlement with millionaire 80-year-old John Adams Morgan, the New York Post reports.

‘I’m sure the world thinks, “Sonja doesn’t have to worry, she’s got that husband there for her.” But I’m on my own,’ Morgan, 47, told the Post.

In court papers Morgan claims that while her ex-husband lives on a $19m private island off Connecticut, she is banned from visiting homes they co-own.

And Morgan, a mother of one, says she now may be forced to sell off her own New York home.

Layers for Adams Morgan say his client is appealing previous court rulings because he believes the divorce judge forced him to pay more than was agreed in pre and postnuptial agreements.

Morgan’s financial woes have been documented in recent episodes of her hit reality TV show.

Last month, footage aired showing her co-stars learning she had filed for bankruptcy for $19 million in the papers.

She said she was ‘heart broken’ despite putting on a brave face.

After the episode, she took to her blog on Bravotv.com.

‘It has been a steep learning curve in a business I knew nothing about,’ she wrote, referring to an movie investment that sparked her finance trouble.

‘I am back to doing what I know and will recover some of my loss with continued hard work. Facing this reality is not pretty for me.’

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-05 14:38:02

In court papers Morgan claims that while her ex-husband lives on a $19m private island off Connecticut, she is banned from visiting homes they co-own.

Kerry / McSame you two paying$ attention? ;-)

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-05 17:09:30

Sounds like she’s married to BillinTampa…… :)

 
 
Comment by rms
2011-07-05 18:07:27

“Bankrupt reality TV star Morgan, 47, is currently battling in court over a $3m settlement with millionaire 80-year-old John Adams Morgan, the New York Post reports.”

Too bad Hervé Villechaize isn’t alive because I’m certain gold-digger Sonja would buck-up and ride his pony around the world.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-05 19:23:29

‘I am back to doing what I know

……..nothing….

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-05 12:47:26

Moody’s downgrades Portugal

Moody’s cuts Portugal credit ratings to junk

(Reuters)

Moody’s Investors Service on Tuesday slashed Portugal’s credit rating into junk territory, saying there is great risk the country will need a second round of official financing before it can return to capital markets.

Heightened concerns that Portugal will not be able to fully achieve the deficit reduction and debt stabilization targets set out in its loan agreement with the European Union and International Monetary Fund weighed on Moody’s decision.

There also is an increasing probability that Portugal will not be able to borrow at sustainable rates in the capital markets in the second half of 2013 and for some time thereafter, Moody’s said.

Portugal is facing formidable challenges in reducing spending, increasing tax compliance, achieving economic growth and supporting the banking system, the agency said.

Moody’s cut Portugal’s credit rating by four levels to Ba2. It is the first of the Big Three ratings agencies to put Portugal’s credit in junk status. Standard & Poor’s and Fitch Ratings both have Portugal at BBB-minus, the bottom of the investment grade range.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-07-06 15:25:58

Ah yes, Moody’s, the same ratings agency that gave toxic waste MBSs a AAA rating so its bankster clients could sell “investors” bundles of chicken s*** and call it chicken salad. To me this looks like an extortion racket, whereby Moody’s TBTF banker accomplices offer the PIIGS financing deals at loan-shark rates, then threaten to have Moody’s or S&P downgrade them if they balk. Any losses, rest assured, will be borne by US taxpayers.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-05 13:27:53

Just a little more junk…

Global Credit Research - 05 Jul 2011

London, 05 July 2011 — Moody’s Investors Service has today downgraded Portugal’s long-term government bond ratings to Ba2 from Baa1 and assigned a negative outlook. Concurrently, Moody’s has also downgraded the government’s short-term debt rating to (P) Not-Prime from (P) Prime-2. Today’s rating action concludes the review of Portugal’s ratings initiated on 5 April 2011.

Comment by BlueStar
2011-07-05 14:45:41

This is great because it makes our junk look better by comparison. A few more European downgrades by S&P & Moody and our long term bonds will be competing with Japan for who has the lowest 30 yr. bond yield! This will happen at the same time the Dollar drops to new lows. It’s magic!

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-05 13:31:45

Casey Anthony not guilty. Any lawyers here want to comment on whether or not they believe the prosecution presented the case well or not? Not that I have any law background at all beyond Business Law moot court. Ha ha! but I thought most of what they presented was circumstantial.

Comment by Muggy
2011-07-05 15:28:27

The judge sealed the jurors identities. Now if only everyone on freaking facebook would stop revealing them. Unbelievable.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-07-05 18:47:20

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=189431

Casey Anthony: Referendum on police?

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-07-05 19:33:15

Oprah’s ratings are down on her T.V. network so to give them a boost she has convinced O.J. to confess to the killings on her show.

Now that is quite some salesmanship (or saleswomanship, or whatever.)

 
 
Comment by Schmendrick
2011-07-05 14:58:57

To Kirisdad in reply to a post from yesterday
‘ A chorus line’ is a great show for summer stock, because the cast are young energenic kids striving for broadway. What parts did they play?

The performers playing Maggie and Mark both from grew up in the vicinity of Annapolis, MD (as did my offspring). I spent a lot of time building sets and working backstage and watchng them all perform at The Talent Machine Company, Children’s Theatre of Annapolis, and several other local theatre groups in the area. And then, when my youngest graduated from high school I sold my over-valued house (in 2006) and have been renting ever since. Partial credit to this blog, for reassuring me that I was not crazy to think that my house was not really worth what people were paying at that time. The current “zestimate” is about 20 per cent less than my sale price, but I expect that the prices will eventually have to drop a lot more.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 15:22:08

Where you been Schmendrik?

Comment by Schmendrick
2011-07-05 19:37:59

Where have I been? The short answer — it’s complicated. Most recently I have been renting a house month-to-month which is being foreclosed on here in Vegas. Nice neighborhood — 2800 sq ft — $1100 a month and we have to accommodate showings to potential buyers.

Last year we were in a smaller place for $850 a month, but it sold fairly quickly. Then we house-sat near Sacramento for 8 months. We moved into this house in February. It is bigger than we need but we wanted to check out the neighborhood. Our son lives about 1 mile from here. We are in the process of moving our stuff back into storage at this moment.

This house originally sold in 2007 for 438k. Listed as a short sale at 215k in February. Has since dropped to 197k. Bank refused an offer of 185k. We have probably averaged about one showing per week in our five months here.

Bank has scheduled and postponed the foreclosure once so far. We are leaving because we are going to be traveling again for the next 5 months. We expect to be back here in Las Vegas around Christmas time and will look for another month-to-month rental.

In the meantime we will be visiting my relatives in Wisconsin, my in-laws in Maryland, some cousins in Italy and Spain, and then spending a couple of months in North Carolina where our younger daughter is going to be giving birth to our third grandchild.

So that’s where we have been and will be going. Thanks for asking.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-05 20:07:08

hmm… I thought you were “evildoc”. Schmendrik was is one of the names that fit him rather well. Interesting story you have nonetheless.

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Comment by Muggy
2011-07-05 16:41:00

I started the new job today. Will be very busy so I’ll mostly be around on weekends. Don’t worry, I won’t buy a house!

Comment by rms
2011-07-05 18:09:05

’bout thirty days to get blogging rights?

 
 
Comment by suzynet
2011-07-05 17:31:35

Ugh….I could use words of encouragement. How much longer do I need to wait to get a house?

I live in the suburbs of Philadelphia. All the listing prices are still 2x the 1998 assessment. However, the only houses that are selling are those that lower their price. I wanted to get in a house before my oldest started kindergarten, now I am hoping for before my youngest starts school.

Is it legitimate to approach a seller directly when they have a listing agent? We won’t be using a realtor, and wouldn’t mind saving the other 3% as well.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-06 04:57:02

Suzy, I believe that if a seller has their house “listed” that they are under contract to pay the realtor their fee. If you want to save 3+%, make a low offer.

 
 
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