July 7, 2011

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Comment by jane
2011-07-07 02:36:18

Thank you to Oxy for showing us how to respond to a request for comments on an important housing bubble matter!

Just want to throw this out there - not whining or anything -

WAAAAHHH!! WAAAHHHH!

- But I DID do the promised posting on Oil City on Monday July 4th. I even included supplementary material.

It includes lots of information about houses and house prices, and general sociological commentary. Although I forgot to mention the shale bluffs overlooking Oil City, which are frequented by fossil hunters, which I did not have time to go explore. So, Oxy, that one’s for you, please read and let’s go back up there, it’s NICE country!

I have another piece of news which is not housing related, except that it may allow me to better afford my prospective rent increases. So far they have been tolerable, but only because I exercise sangfroid and take very good notes about observed housing violations.

I can barely wrap my head around the following circumstance, because it is so foreign to me. I applied to one of the MS/Eng programs at JHU, and got accepted for the fall term. Under the premise that in a technology town that is KRRAAAZEEE about Credentials, you gots to Officially larn you some Technology. I are gonna larn me sum Enginneering, an I are gonna be Offishul.

Although the company is footing the bill if I get grades beyond the clip level, I gots a feeling this is one degree where I might actually have to fork over some dough. No matter, it’ll be something new, I like reading, and even in the worst case it’s cheaper than buying a house. I am going to take it on faith that the course of study is not going to cure me of veering off topic.

Like I said, big shock.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-07 04:40:45

Congrats Jane. Good luck in your studies and I did catch the Oil City Report. Thank you.

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-07-07 05:02:26

I am so cynical …

You got accepted for a Eng program for the fall term.

(They need your money.)

“…I gots a feeling this is one degree where I might have to actually fork over some dough.”

(They need your money.)

“Like I said, big shock.”

(They need your money.)

Comment by jane
2011-07-07 06:25:27

Combo, I share your cynicism and it’s an acceptable trade off to me. I applied somewhat as a cynic as well.

They need the dough. It will be advantageous for me to conduct enginneearng discussions without getting the raised eyebrows.

And you have to admit. It DOES have the advantage that it will keep me busy enough not to be itchin’ for mischief like buying a house. Even if I get gentleman’s Cs on half the courses, it’ll STILL be cheaper than buying a house now rather than in a couple of years.

I sincerely share your cynicism, and thank you for being the honest skeptic.

Comment by combotechie
2011-07-07 06:52:50

Thank you Jane; I wish you good luck.

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 05:09:29

Here’s the link to the pending regulation that Jane mentions:

http://www.regulations.gov/#!searchResults;cp=O;rpp=10;po=0;s=OCC-2011-0002

The hyperlink doesn’t seem to be displaying properly, so copy and paste the entire string .

The regulation we’re talking about is the first Proposed Rule on the list. There’s a link to make a comment. If you want to read past comments, click on “open docket folder.” Check the “public submission” checkbox, and the list of public comments will come up. The public comment period has been extended until August 1.

Making a comment as a member of public is far more effective than ANY other action. All comments have to be read, filed, and addressed, generally by the same people who make the decision. It means more if you use your own words and your own story.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 05:12:17

Thank you Jane! I found the comment and copied to a Word file, where I will read it later.

 
Comment by rms
2011-07-07 07:07:04

“I applied to one of the MS/Eng programs at JHU…”

You already have your BS in some engineering field?

Comment by jane
2011-07-07 10:08:12

Sigh. I’ve jumped around trying to keep abreast of the successive recessions in the Northeast. I jumped ship from a Ph.D. program at Rochester with an MS because I got a real offer from Big Oil. Jumped from Big Oil when my next rotation was to Dhahran. Next stop was IBM. Got an MBA because it was clear that an MS + MBA was the ticket. Jumped out with the last good package during the wreckage of the early 90s.

I don’t actually have a hard core credential (that is, an MS or Ph.D. in an Eng discipline) in this tech town, and it is getting really tiresome swimming uphill without one. So, by gum, I are gonna get me one of them.

The killer has been that I started out with a classical liberal arts education, real old school - and I was always working around boyz. The minute that word of the B.A. got out, I became a Muffy and was fair game. I always figured “Eff em if they can’t take a joke!” and went and got the cards punched.

Funny thing is, with few exceptions, the C-level guys I’ve worked with are not techies. They have liberal arts undergraduate degrees, like me. But this town really is different - it’s credential crazy.

Comment by JMS
2011-07-07 10:25:03

How are you getting around the pre-reqs to be able to enter the program? Unless you plan on taking them at the same time. I’m talking about the Calculus and Physics.

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Comment by jane
2011-07-07 10:46:02

You have to have a year of math and a year of hard science in a traditional liberal arts program with distribution requirements, like they had in the old days. So I had a year of calc and a year of physics, on top of what I had in high school, and thankfully the credits transferred. A reflection of the gentlemen’s agreements between some schools.

 
Comment by JMS
2011-07-07 11:26:01

Ok thats good. At least you avoided that mess. One piece of advice from my experience. Avoid Finite Element Analysis… unless your a glutton for punishment.

 
Comment by jane
2011-07-07 12:34:34

I have written that down in my notebook, and memorized that piece of advice. Thank you sincerely.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-07 10:37:19

mba, ba, bs c-level phd ms…..it’s credential crazy.

The corporate/tech world in America sounds to me like a dog chasing his tail in a kiddie pool full of alphabet soup.

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Comment by jane
2011-07-07 10:53:33

It seems to be a proxy for QA. In a world where everybody has been dumbed down, and everybody knows everybody has been dumbed down, and the psychopaths are brilliantly charming, you need to grasp at some kind of straw.

The person you hire will be the person that has your back. Even then, chances are you’ll get somebody dumb and/or malicious, but you can make up for a whole lot of dumb with perseverence.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 11:15:24

The corporate/tech world in America sounds to me like a dog chasing his tail in a kiddie pool full of alphabet soup.

Every dog my family’s owned would be too busy scarfing down the soup to worry about tail-chasing.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-07 11:43:42

LOL

 
Comment by rms
2011-07-07 11:46:23

FWIW, I wouldn’t spend time in an engineering school unless it was ABET certified. You want to be able to get, and transfer to, a real job in the future. You should also maintain a high FICO score, and work toward a top/secret security clearance; the other jobs will be off-shored.

 
Comment by jane
2011-07-07 13:23:14

Thanks, got the TS. I’m doing this because I want to have more meaningful conversations, not because I’m looking to skedaddle.

Since I’m doing this while working, company will foot the expense as long as I make the clip level on grades. They like having people with their preferred creds. Like I said, I’m prepared to get clipped for half the courses. Still lots cheaper than catching a knife.

I appreciate the words of wisdom. Heaven knows it’s preferable to reinventing the wheel on my own!

 
Comment by polly
2011-07-07 13:43:28

She said it was at JHU. In this area that means Johns Hopkins. I don’t think you have to worry about it being certified.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 16:00:52

The corporate/tech world in America sounds to me like a dog chasing his tail in a kiddie pool full of alphabet soup.

It’s worse. Now imagine it’s different soup everyday and you have to be an expert on the ingredients, even though it was just invented yesterday and the kiddy pool is be dragged over large rough gravel at the same time… and the dog runs in both directions.

 
Comment by rms
2011-07-07 17:39:16

“She said it was at JHU. In this area that means Johns Hopkins.”

I’m a left coastie, so I didn’t connect the JHU dots. Thx!

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-07-07 20:09:05

Open up your own business and f*** ‘em all.

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Comment by ahansen
2011-07-07 23:44:02

Congrats-and-a-half, Jane. With your verbal and processing skills, you’ll eat fud for lunch.
Cheers!

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Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 03:12:51

Refinancing Drop an Ill Wind for Housing Recovery
By: Diana Olick CNBC Real Estate Reporter

Does anyone remember when the rate on the 30-year fixed mortgage was up around 8 percent? I do.

Perhaps that’s why it continues to stun me that a tiny shift in our now ultra low rates can have a huge effect on consumer activity, namely refinancing. No question, it is a statement on just how tight and how sensitive our current mortgage market is today.

According to the Mortgage Bankers Association’s weekly survey, “The Refinance Index decreased 9.2 percent from the previous week. The Refinance Index has decreased for 3 consecutive weeks, reaching its lowest level since May 6, 2011.”

The mortgage bankers cite a jump (and by jump, I mean more like a hop) in rates on the 30 year from 4.46 percent to 4.69 percent. This is the highest rate since mid-May, they note, which I will note was just two months ago.

Yes, that’s a pretty large jump, but we are still below 5! The trouble is that there is a very small pool of eligible refinancers right now, because 1) so many have already refinanced at these incredibly low rates, 2) many borrowers are still underwater on their homes, which makes them largely ineligible for super low rates and 3) many borrowers don’t have enough equity or the proper credit score to get into a refi that’s worth the cost.

So the refinance share of mortgage applications continues to drop. Why should we care? What we really want is to see purchase applications, because that means people are buying houses, and that number did go up a bit last week although it’s still down for the month of June. But wait:

“The increase in the share of homes being bought with cash and the likelihood that the NAR’s (National Association of Realtors) existing home sales data are being overestimated by between 10 percent and 20 percent means that the relationship between mortgage applications and total home sales is not as close as it once was,” said Paul Dales of Capital Economics, who believes sales figures are still historically low.

But let’s think for a second about what the economy gains from a refi boom? Consumers save more money, which gives them more money to spend. Saving more also gives consumers more confidence in their financial situation, which helps the economy in varied ways. Refinancing can also help some troubled borrowers avoid defaulting on their loans.

I’m not saying I want to see us go back to the days of using our homes as cash machines. I do want to go back to the days when our homes weren’t draining us dry.

Comment by michael
2011-07-07 04:39:00

“But let’s think for a second about what the economy gains from a refi boom?”

idiot.

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-07-07 05:14:14

Let’s take a look at this …

Re-fi rates are now at a “low” 4.69 percent, but are they really that low? Whatever argument one can make for the inflation rate in general the inflation rate for houses is a negative number.

A negative inflation number coupled with a positive interest rate make the “real” interest rate higher.

How high depends on the value of the negative number. If the interest rate is 4.69 percent and the price of the house is deflating at, say 4 percent, then the real interest rate is 8.69 percent.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-07-07 05:30:57

Good point.

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2011-07-07 05:37:49

You’re missing a key point, Combo. These are refinance loans. If the existing loan is at a higher interest rate than the refinance interest rate, then the borrower is lowering their interest expense.

I refinanced to a 15 year loan during the 4th quarter of 2010. In my mind the accelerated amortization of a 15 year loan at 3.5% versus my original 30 year loan at 6% helps to mitigate declines in the value of the property. While this is not an ideal situation, I’ll take what the market gives me.

Comment by combotechie
2011-07-07 06:04:11

A selling point used during the RE price runup was that the house was, in effect, paying for itself.

A five percent interest rate paid out to buy a house that was appreciating in value by ten percent was really costing the buyer a negative five percent - meaning the house was paying the buyer a five percent interest rate because he was buying it, at least, IIRC, this is the argument that was bandied about.

Buy the house and get a five percent return on your money in addition to getting the house. Such a deal!

But now the numbers have gone in the opposite direction I no longer hear much about this point of view.

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Comment by combotechie
2011-07-07 06:37:13

The RE industry used to tout rising house prices as the reason to buy, now they are touting low interest rates.

High interest rates are effective low if the value of what one is buying is rising.

Low interest rates are effectively high if the value of what one is buying is falling.

The argument made by the RE industry was correct during the price rise but is not correct now that prices are falling.

 
Comment by redrum
2011-07-07 07:40:02

Leverage cuts both ways

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 08:54:56

And likewise, everytime someone with a job walks away from a mortgage, their disposable income goes up. While I’d like to believe Americans learn lessons (and save money), a lot of people are going to simply turn around and spend the money.

Some will spend it on necessities that have gone up in price (food/gas, etc.). Others will have a benefit of $1,000 or more per month, and will spend on other things.

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Comment by Pete
2011-07-07 11:37:03

“Some will spend it on necessities that have gone up in price (food/gas, etc.). Others will have a benefit of $1,000 or more per month, and will spend on other things.”

My BIL is walking away from a mortgage on a condo in Hawaii. He makes decent money, but not enough to save anything meaningful after the mortgage payment. (He bought at peak bubble). He says he’s saving every cent to eventually move back to the mainland, buy some land in Oregon perhaps. He seems to think that it will take that long for the bank to get around to anything. Based on what I’ve read, he could be right. I assume he’s still paying his HOA dues.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 16:03:17

They only have disposal income until they are kicked out and have to find some place to rent, which, despite our view to the contrary, is the majority.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 16:37:24

If they bought at the peak, and leveraged to levels commonly seen then, they will have disposable income after paying for rent.

While buying at today’s prices may compare more favorably to the cost of renting, buying a home in 2005-2007 did not compare favorably to renting.

A hypothetical someone walked away from a $400k mortgage, which was costing them >$2k per month (5%, 30-year=$2.15k, PLUS property taxes, etc.), home prices crashed to $200k or less (especially if a foreclosure) so they walked, despite being able to pay the mortgage. They are now renting a similar house for $1k-$1,500k that an investor bought at a foreclosure auction for $150k (the market discounts foreclosures even more, and the $150k to get $1k to $1,500 per month isn’t crazy, even by HBBers math of 100x to 120x monthly rent). The new renter now has no mortgage and no property taxes, and so they have more money to spend each month.

Nearly every time there is a “strategic default”, this is the case mathematically, especially in markets where the rent vs. own math got way out of whack at the peak, which, based on hearing folks here was a lot of markets. If this wasn’t the case (defaulting = increased disposable income), then the owner must have a smaller mortgage, making it less likely that they are significantly underwater, and less likely to be a strategic defaulter in the first place.

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 05:46:33

There isn’t going to be ANY refi boom if the “risk retention” QRM regulation is approved. QRM is not a “requirement” to get a mortgage, it just establishes a gold standard for selling on the secondary market. But because the secondary market is gun shy, banks are going to make it hard to get a non-QRM loan, so QRM is likely to become a rule of thumb, as it used to be. In short, to qualify for QRM:

for a new mortgage: 20% down + adhere to 28% rule
for a refi: 25% equity.
for a cash-out refi: 30% equity.

Anyone who has that much equity probably also has enough brains not to refi unless they really need to.

 
Comment by scdave
2011-07-07 06:33:52

Does anyone remember when the rate on the 30-year fixed mortgage was up around 8 percent ??

I member 12-13%….

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 07:03:12

I bought @ 15.5% VA :-/ $27,500 / 1982

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-07 08:16:18

15%? Ouch!

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Comment by polly
2011-07-07 08:42:52

15.5%? Sounds like heaven. Interest rates like that are when a downpayment *really* counts. Plus it would shove down prices like nobody’s business. Buy, wait for interest rates to come down and refinance. Or get an adjustable rate loan if you think that rates are going to come down soon and you can handle the payments if you are wrong.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 20:32:37

They were quite happy & patted Hwy on the back at rate. ;-)

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-07 09:25:33

Back when I was young and stupid and believed the NAR propaganda, I signed up for 13% in late 1981. On a “boom town” house.

Then the airplane business collapsed in 1982, the local “boom” collapsed, and we were stuck for 5-6 years in an underwater house with a 13% mortgage. Wasn’t until the end of the 1980s before we could break even.

The “house prices always go up” line has been a tough sell to me since.

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 12:25:49

1984- ARM 17.5% /2,000 sq ft /$134K
/So Ca

 
 
Comment by Sean
2011-07-07 09:47:33

Hmmmm…..which one would you take?

$27,500 @ 15.5% for 30 years = $129,147 Total cost of loan

$100,000 @ 5% for 30 years = $193,255 Total cost of loan

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Comment by MrBubble
2011-07-07 10:13:00

“Hmmmm…..which one would you take?”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but can’t you (historically) refinance down from 15.5%? Seems to me that you can negotiate financing but cannot renegotiate the initial purchase price.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 20:36:33

Seems to me that you can negotiate financing but cannot renegotiate the initial purchase price.

That’s exactly right MrBubble.

The $aving grace in my $enario was it was a 2-story house in NE. :-)

(just 75 miles straight South of Mr. W. Buffett)

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2011-07-07 23:55:34

Good rule of thumb when I bought my first house in ‘84 was $1000/mo. per $100,000 financed.

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Comment by m2p
2011-07-07 09:09:28

Me too, first condo (foreclosure) in 1982 13%. Equity within two years enable us to sell and buy a house that was about to go into foreclosure in 1984. Builder was so happy to unload it that he bought the loan down to 11.75%.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2011-07-07 11:03:40

Not to be forgotten is that in a non-recourse state, that initial purchase price loan matters. If you end up in a situation where you need to walk away, you are not on the hook for the balance if you’re upside down on that loan. Once you do a re-fi, you then have a recourse loan and all that entails should things go south.

Comment by Max Power
2011-07-07 13:42:00

True in California, but not all states. For example, AZ courts have held that a loan does not lose it’s ‘purchase money’ status merely because it was refi’d. You only lose it if you take cash out when you refi.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 11:16:33

Yes, that’s a pretty large jump, but we are still below 5! The trouble is that there is a very small pool of eligible refinancers right now, because 1) so many have already refinanced at these incredibly low rates, 2) many borrowers are still underwater on their homes, which makes them largely ineligible for super low rates and 3) many borrowers don’t have enough equity or the proper credit score to get into a refi that’s worth the cost.

Hark! A troubling paragraph-ful of reality! In an MSM story!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 03:14:37

Consumer delinquencies tick up in first quarter
WASHINGTON | Thu Jul 7, 2011

(Reuters) - More consumers had trouble making payments on credit cards and other debts during the first three months of the year due to higher food and gas prices, an industry report said on Thursday.

The American Bankers Association said the data showed a downturn from prior quarters and described the most recent quarter as a “soft patch.”

“Consumers are feeling insecure about the economy and whether their financial resources can carry them through until conditions improve,” ABA chief economist James Chessen said in a statement.

“With a slow-growing economy and weak job growth, there will continue to be financial stress that will make it hard for some people to pay their bills on time.”

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-07 04:47:36

If people are hand to mouth or unemployed I’ll give them a pass. Otherwise it’s been 4 years since the evils of credit have been exposed. If they’re in trouble now, they deserve to suffer.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 05:40:53

If people are hand to mouth or unemployed I’ll give them a pass.

That easily covers over half the workforce.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-07 05:48:09

Yes half get a pass but now focus on the numbers of the ones that are just stupid or in denial and you start to see why central planning believes they can reinflate.

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Comment by Steve J
2011-07-07 08:20:17

Denial runs strong in this country.

 
Comment by rms
2011-07-07 11:39:01

“Denial runs strong in this country.”

+1 And detractors are smeared un-American.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-07-07 08:20:11

“Soft patch” … where have we heard that before?

7/21/2004 - Washington - Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspand said Wednesday that President Bush’s three rounds of tax cute prevented a severe recession and helped spark the current economic recovery.

“The little bulge in inflationary pressures seems to have created a soft patch here,” Greenspan said. “And, it is something, obviously, we are watching very closely.”

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-07-07 08:24:30

See also from yesterday’s WSJ:

Inflation to Outpace Raises in 2012

Median salary increases next year amount to an effective pay cut for most employees, according to new survey

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 16:10:57

Where have they been for the last 30 years?

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-07-07 09:09:43

“And, it is something, obviously, we are watching very closely.”

Obviously.

Comment by measton
2011-07-07 10:38:10

They may be watching and they may be taking action, but they are taking action to increase inflation and strip the wealth of the country and solidify their political control.

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Comment by SDGreg
2011-07-07 11:08:39

Their goal is to make sure those that have little have less and those that have almost everything have more.

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 16:12:13

“And, it is something, obviously, we are watching very closely.”

Translation: You think we care? WE GOT OURS! Sucker!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 03:17:00

Exclusive: Treasury secretly weighs options to avert default

(Reuters) - A small team of Treasury officials is discussing options to stave off default if Congress fails to raise the country’s borrowing limit by an August 2 deadline, sources familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.

Senior officials, including Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, have repeatedly said there are no contingency plans if lawmakers do not give the U.S. government the authority to borrow more money.

But behind the scenes, top Treasury officials have been exploring ways to prevent a financial meltdown that would be triggered if the government were unable to pay its bills on time, sources told Reuters.

Treasury has studied the following issues:

- Whether the administration can delay payments to try to manage cash flows after August 2

- If the U.S. Constitution allows President Barack Obama to ignore Congress and the government to continue to issue debt

- Whether a 1985 finding by a government watchdog gives the government legal authority to prioritize payments.

The Treasury team has also spoken to the Federal Reserve about how the central bank — specifically the New York Federal Reserve Bank — would operate as Treasury’s broker in the markets if a deal to raise the United States’ $14.3 trillion borrowing cap is not reached on time.

The U.S. government currently borrows about $125 billion each month. The Obama administration wants Congress to raise the limit by more than $2 trillion to meet the country’s borrowing needs through the 2012 presidential election.

Comment by michael
2011-07-07 04:49:32

- If the U.S. Constitution allows President Barack Obama to ignore Congress and the government to continue to issue debt

his lawyers will conclude yes.

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-07 08:22:36

His lawyers concluded no on continued bombing of Libya without Congressional approval.

Obama may have to hire Alberto Gonzales.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-07-07 09:34:18

- If the U.S. Constitution allows President Barack Obama to ignore Congress and the government to continue to issue debt

Wow - not one option for having the government live within the $1.8 TRILLION it collects in taxes…

Comment by measton
2011-07-07 10:41:15

The problem of course is that if the gov lives within the 1.8 trillion it collects the next year it will collect far less than 1.8 trillion and face massive unemployment and deflation.

 
Comment by polly
2011-07-07 11:08:19

In order to do that, they would have to BREAK the LAW. The Congress passed and the president signed a budget in March (it was March, right). The executive branch is now required to spend money according to that budget unless a new one changing it is passed and signed.

And, not to impune your reading comprehension or anything, but this one,
“Whether a 1985 finding by a government watchdog gives the government legal authority to prioritize payments.”
is a reference to living within the taxes collected. Prioritizing payments means not spending money that the executive branch is legally required to spend. It is allowing the president to ignore the laws of the US because he doesn’t have enough money to carry out the ones that currently exist.

Comment by CharlieTango
2011-07-07 12:38:41

is this a great country or what? obama is obligated by law to spend money that doesn’t exist!

obama seems selective about which laws to obey but i bet he’s 100% behind being obligated to spend more then we take in.

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Comment by polly
2011-07-07 12:49:52

Wouldn’t have been a problem if they had raised the debt ceiling back when they passed a budget that *required* raising the debt ceiling to comply with it.

By the way, Paul Ryan’s budget requires raising the debt ceiling too. For years. Even if you accept his absurd projections that we get down to something like 2% unemployment and stay there.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-07-07 03:43:18

I say we elect one of our resident nomads to live there for a year and investigate… how does “Bill in Oil City” sound?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-07 05:25:55

Good place to find chicks, Bill:

“For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 84.8 males.”
Oil City, PA -wikipedia

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 08:07:58

But are they hot?

Comment by samk
2011-07-07 08:47:22

Mid 80’s this week.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 11:20:48

“For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 84.8 males.”

Could be like Alaska. For women in Alaska, the odds are good. But, alas, the goods are odd.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 03:45:52

The U.S. just needs to focus more on the entertainment industry.

Service Industries in U.S. Expand at Slower Pace in Sign Economy Cooling
(Bloomberg)

Service industries in the U.S. expanded at a slower pace in June, a sign the economy cooled at the end of the first half of 2011.

The Institute for Supply Management’s index of non- manufacturing businesses decreased to 53.3, less than projected, from 54.6 in May. Economists forecast the gauge would drop to 53.7, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey. A reading above 50 signals expansion.

Service companies, which account for about 90 percent of the economy, joined manufacturing last quarter in slowing as a 9.1 percent unemployment rate limited consumer spending. Businesses like FedEx Corp. (FDX) project the expansion will pick up through the rest of the year as gasoline prices provide relief for households and supply disruptions from Japan abate.

“We’re closing the door on a very disappointing first half of the year, which wasn’t a disaster but highlights the fragility and the difficulty of this recovery,” said Julia Coronado, chief economist for North America at BNP Paribas in New York. In coming months, “some of the relief in commodity prices should help businesses maintain margins and therefore become a bit more confident in doing things like investing and hiring,” she said.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 05:30:10

Westinghouse started with air brakes and turbojets, and then moved on to all forms of electricity, including nuclear power plants. Then, starting in the 80’s,they slowly sold all their electrical divisions and acquired media outlets. In 1998 they sold their nuclear division to Toshiba. Entertainment is worth more than electricity. :sad:

Comment by yensoy
2011-07-07 08:36:31

Rookies. They should have cashed in their chips and started a TBTF bank.

Comment by measton
2011-07-07 10:43:03

See GM Ford AIG etc

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 16:19:50

Westinghouse has a huge credit division called, Westinghouse Credit Corporation, founded in 1954.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 16:18:12

Westinghouse started as an electrical provider and manufacture and installation of large scale electrical grid infrastructure… in 1886.

Edison and Westinghouse became business partners and made it a point to drive Tesla out of business, while stealing his inventions, most notably, AC electricity generation.

 
 
Comment by Sean
2011-07-07 09:52:34

Interesting they bring up FDX. Currently they are trying to get their hands on every single B-777 out there that is available.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 04:08:11

Use of prisoners for labor is nothing new, if I were sitting in prison and had a chance to get outside and work I’d jump at the chance. This is not the old style chain gangs, it’s a choice, not forced.

Union Workers Replaced With Prison Labor Under Scott Walker’s Collective Bargaining Law By Alex Seitz-Wald -thinkprogress.org

While Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s law dismantling collective bargaining rights has harmed teachers, nurses, and other civil servants, it’s helping a different group in Wisconsinites — inmates. Prisoners are now taking up jobs that used to be held by unionized workers in some parts of the state.

As the Madison Capital Times reports, “Besides losing their right to negotiate over the percentage of their paycheck that will go toward health care and retirement, unions also lost the ability to claim work as a ‘union-only’ job, opening the door for private workers and evidently even inmates to step in and take their place.” Inmates are not paid for their work, but may receive time off of their sentences.

The law went into effect last week, and Racine County is already using inmates to do landscaping, painting, and another basic maintenance around the county that was previously done by county workers. The union had successfully sued to stop the country from using prison labor for these jobs last year, but with Walker’s new law, they have no recourse. Watch a report from Fox6 in Green Bay:

The Washington Examiner called Racine’s move “another success story” and “all great news for Wisconsin taxpayers. Hopefully, we’ll see more of it.” So far, it appears no other jurisdiction has followed Racine’s example — for now. It may just be a matter of time to allow existing union contracts to expire. The spokesperson for the Sheriff’s Office of Dane County, which includes Milwaukee, said, “Nobody in our jail will be benefiting…at this time” from the new law, but the left the door open for future changes.

While giving prisoners more work and activity options is generally positive, using free inmate labor to replace public sector workers is a disturbing trend.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-07 04:58:04

“While giving prisoners more work and activity options is generally positive, using free inmate labor to replace public sector workers is a disturbing trend.”

If they’re getting shortened sentences in return, I doubt the prisoners mind. And if the skills the union guys are getting paid for were painting and mowing, the state should be saving the money. Why are we paying union guys for things my Dad was teaching me to do at 10 years old?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-07 05:31:36

So we can have a middle class?

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-07 05:45:06

I’m sorry but painting and mowing aren’t middle class skill sets. Generally skills that earn entry into middle class can’t be learned in early childhood. We still have to work to earn entry into middle class. It shouldn’t be handed out by the government to hit the numbers.

The problem is that off sourced jobs required middle class creating skills. But let’s not argue for middle class pay for lower level skills.

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Comment by BKKObserver
2011-07-07 06:06:11

Electricians, plumbers, construction workers, all used to be middle class in many areas, at least in Illinois. It wasn’t just a white collar thing.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-07 06:37:51

And those workers’ skills are way beyond the skill set of painting and mowing. My point had nothing to do w/ collar labels.

Just a reminder here. When I married my husband he was in construction and now is an electrical engineer. (gray collar?) I’m not sniffing at blue collar ability at all. Just saying….mowing and painting aren’t higher skills and shouldn’t be doled out to labor units as if there is some sort of higher bar to be maintained.

 
Comment by scdave
2011-07-07 07:08:28

I agree CarrieAnn…

 
Comment by measton
2011-07-07 10:52:52

As an accused communist on this board I tend to agree. Landscaping is something anyone can do, anyone can start a company doing it. It isn’t something where you require economies of scale or long term contracts. There is no interest in the state controlling this. It should be given to the lowest bidder in an open bidding fashion.

I disagree with using prison labor like this during a time of high unemployment. I would favor putting prisoners to work making clothes shoes and things that we currently don’t make in the US. They could be used by prisoners, or gov workers, or even sold.

I’m against hte privitization of prisons or the benefits of prison labor. There should be no profit motive for keeping or creating prisoners. See prior posts about for profit juvenile prisons giving judges kickpacks.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-07-07 11:04:37

Boss Paul: That ditch is Boss Kean’s ditch. And I told him that dirt in it’s your dirt. What’s your dirt doin’ in his ditch?

Luke: I don’t know, Boss.

Boss Paul: You better get in there and get it out, boy.

 
Comment by m2p
2011-07-07 11:49:55

I disagree with using prison labor like this during a time of high unemployment. I would favor putting prisoners to work making clothes shoes and things that we currently don’t make in the US. They could be used by prisoners, or gov workers, or even sold.

Prison Blues are being made by inmates at Eastern Oregon Correctional Institute, for sale to the public. Good old fashion heavy denim.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 16:22:19

“We still have to work to earn entry into middle class. It shouldn’t be handed out by the government to hit the numbers.”

I agree. Nor should it be taken way to hit the numbers, either.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-07-07 16:26:00

“I disagree with using prison labor like this during a time of high unemployment.

I concur. We would be better off if we paid unemployed city youth to do these jobs. Any job a teenager gets is good experience.

“I’m against hte privitization of prisons or the benefits of prison labor. There should be no profit motive for keeping or creating prisoners.”

I agree here, too. Prison labor is even cheaper than Chinese or child labor if the government absorbs the cost of housing, food, and medical.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 16:46:56

I concur. We would be better off if we paid unemployed city youth to do these jobs. Any job a teenager gets is good experience.

I agree. And I’m saying this from a neighborhood where there are more than a few unemployed people.

Face it, all of this idleness is not good for the people who are idle. Nor is it good for our society.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 05:47:28

An interesting point. Once upon a time as long as you were willing to work hard you could be middle class. To not be middle class meant that you were some kind of unemployable bum.

Fast forward to the present: You need a graduate degree in a technical field to have a middle class income, and it’s far from secure.

We replaced manual laborers with illegals and now the GOP has figured out that inmates are even cheaper.

Meanwhile, if you have a degree, the threat of H1-Bs is always looming.

This is why I didn’t celebrate the 4th of July. The USA no longer belongs to the American people.

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Comment by SV guy
2011-07-07 07:55:02

“This is why I didn’t celebrate the 4th of July.”

Me neither. For me this has been like watching a relative die slowly from cancer.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 08:16:53

I recall growing up in Orange County, So Cal in the 1960’s. My dad was a tool and die maker and was probably one of the most skilled workers in our Fountain Valley neighborhood. Most of the neighbors, who owned their own homes and who had decent cars had mundane jobs like: grocery store clerk, factory worker, mailman, bank teller, etc. Heck, people who worked at Disneyland earned a living wage back then.

I had a few friends whose dads had college diplomas and were white collar workers, but they were the minority. And yes my dad made more money than most of the neighbors.

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-07-07 08:36:01

BMW layoffs exemplify the evisceration of the middle class

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/03/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20110703


BMW’s defenders will point out that the company has a perfect legal right to outsource any jobs it wishes. Fair enough. Yet by the same token, American taxpayers had a perfect legal right to tell BMW to drop dead when the firm’s credit arm asked the Federal Reserve for a low-interest $3.6-billion loan during the 2008 financial crisis.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 09:39:17

FWIW, BMW is not an American firm. Maybe they should have asked the Bundesbank for a loan in 2008?

 
Comment by Spokaneman
2011-07-07 09:50:01

I’ll show ‘em. I not going to buy that 850 xDrive I’ve been considering.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-07 10:01:45

BMW’s defenders will point out that the company has a perfect legal right to outsource any jobs it wishes.

Even to prison labor if they want.

 
Comment by measton
2011-07-07 10:55:15

Agree w Colorado but the way to improve the health of the working American is via trade policy ie TARIFS or VAT, and tax policy cutting payroll taxes and increasing the taxes on the elite.

Neither of these is going to happen as a smaller and smaller group of elites have more and more control of our gov.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-07-07 11:18:29

And at the same time, tech companies are having to increase their perks and salaries to attract and retain qualified employees. (WSJ article a few days ago)

In the company I worked for around the turn of the century (11 years ago), they went from paying “bounties” to employees for bringing a qualified new hire, to the first of a number of rounds of layoffs in just a few months.

Supply and demand.

Until supply (number of workers) is diminished or demand (number of job openings) increases, that’s the way it’s going to be. So, how can supply be diminished or demand increased?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 12:06:31

And at the same time, tech companies are having to increase their perks and salaries to attract and retain qualified employees. (WSJ article a few days ago)

What a load of baloney, not surprising since it’s coming from the WSJ. Tech companies are still offshoring like crazy. My former colleagues at HP tell me that the “no raises unless you walk on water” policy remains in effect, and that you are welcome to leave if you don’t like it.

 
Comment by cactus
2011-07-07 12:19:49

In the company I worked for around the turn of the century (11 years ago), they went from paying “bounties” to employees for bringing a qualified new hire, to the first of a number of rounds of layoffs in just a few months.”

Its always like that in Tech I was warned by my dad that as an engineer I would get laid off maybe I should have kept my Air traffic control job ? similair to PCB board design except for part about you can’t stop the planes in midair to think about routing

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 15:51:16

My better half was an Eng Mgr at Intel. The words “outsourcing” , “H1-B’s” and a few others really grate at him. .

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-07-07 09:33:11

Yes - because only the government with overpaid public union goon jobs can make a middle class…

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-07 10:14:24

Yes - because only the government with overpaid public union goon jobs can make a middle class…

I don’t understand your comment. Does it have a meaning in relation to the story it is commenting on?

Is it trying to defend solely the shrinking private sector middle class? How so?

If it is, it’s still confusing because I don’t recall you ever defending the middle class public or private in any meaningful way.

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-07-07 10:22:23

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-07 04:58:04
Why are we paying union guys for things my Dad was teaching me to do at 10 years old?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-07 05:31:36
So we can have a middle class?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 12:17:08

“Yes - because only the government with overpaid public union goon jobs can make a middle class…”

The way things are in the private sector with its lack of full time jobs that pay over $500 a week, there’s more truth to your snide remark than yo might think.

Even in our little, non union burg the muni jobs are better than the private sector jobs. It didn’t used to be that way, but as private sector salaries collapsed the non-union city jobs began to lool good by comparison, even though muni workers have been in a wage freeze for 4 years.

Of course when the best the private sector can offer are part time, $8/hr jobs in retail then a $12/hr city job starts to look good.

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-07 06:52:29

Carrie:

We still refuse to address the biggest issue with prisoners:

Most of them cannot read, write or speak English. So forcing them to work is the easy way out. And wont result in any meaningful change in their lives.

You want out early….read the NY Times in front of a parole board…..that’s going to be really tough on them

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-07 08:41:11

Some of them are very intelligent.

I seem to remember a state tourism board using prison labor. The prisoners passed along the addresses and dates of when the houses would be vacant to accomplices on the outside.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-07 11:06:59

One of my best friend’s sister works in an upstate prison as their librarian. I think she’d beg to differ w/you on that point although I don’t doubt it is true of a decent size proportion of the population.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-07 12:20:32

Now what if all prisoners were forced to speak English would that help them not come back?

I know its a wild crazy idea to educate prisoners, or heck even minority kids in school before they become criminals……but its something we haven’t tried yet. No more time off for good behavior….

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-07 09:59:02

Prison labor would be more acceptable to me if we didn’t (by far) have the largest per capita prison population in the world, if the prison industrial complex was not so powerful and huge and if we didn’t have private prisons and private companies gaining profits from prison labor at the expense of real jobs. Right now it’s an unjust racket.

Prison labor cheats society

http://www.wpi.edu/News/TechNews/010327/prisonlabor.shtml

At the same time, the United States blasts China for the use of prison slave labor, engaging in the same practice itself. Prison labor is a pot of gold. No strikes, union organizing, health benefits, unemployment insurance or workers’ compensation to pay. …

…There are approximately 2 million people behind bars in the United States - more than three times the number of prisoners in 1980. The United States now imprisons more people than any other country in the world….

…The question that needs to be answered is - why? Why are prisons such a booming business? The answer lies in the prison industrial complex. At the same time that prisons clear the streets of those you feel are a “threat” to society, prisons also offer jobs in construction, guarding, administration, health, education and food service.

Prisons in impoverished areas often end up with inmates from the local area who had previously worked in the community. Often they were laid off from a factory job that moved overseas and they turned to alcohol or drugs, which ultimately landed them in prison. Others are luckier and get a job in the prison. One of the fastest-growing sectors of the prison industrial complex is private corrections companies. Private prisons also have an incentive to gain as many prisoners as possible and to keep them there as long as possible….

…Many corporations, whose products we consume on a daily basis, have learned that prison labor can be as profitable as using sweatshop labor in developing nations….Other companies that use prison labor are Chevron, IBM, Motorola, Compaq, Texas Instruments, Honeywell, Microsoft, Victoria’s Secret and Boeing…

…Federal safety and health standards do not protect prison labor, nor do the National Labor Relations Board policies….

…State Corrections agencies are even advertising their prisoners to corporations by asking these questions: “Are you experiencing high employee turnover? Worried about the cost of employee benefits? Getting hit by overseas competition? Having trouble motivating your work force?

…Corporations are happily using these people for slave labor, … Almost 2 million human beings are now locked up in our nation’s prisons. The vast majority are not there because they are murderers, rapists or other violent people. They are there because prisons are a business in this country, whether we’re talking about private prisons or private companies using prison labor. The next time you think of prison slave labor you don’t have to think of China, think of the United States….

Comment by measton
2011-07-07 11:02:10

I’m all for prisons and large prison populations if needed. I think violent crime and even property crime such as breaking and entering should be punished much more so than it is. Financial criminals get very little real prison time in my book.

That said you can’t have a for profit system, otherwise you get kickbacks and bribery and all other forms of influence to keep the prison populations large. It also creates an uneven playing field for companies that don’t have access to such cheap labor.

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Comment by jane
2011-07-07 11:20:54

Maybe we have the largest prison population because we incentivize breeding as a piecework industry. It has economic benefits - the higher the number of boxes checked on the AFC application, the bigger the housing subsidy and free cash. The medical is a wash because that’s paid for. The kids are objects, raise themselves, and wind up treating everybody else as objects too.

You need strong attachments to family when you are growing up, in order to develop the understanding of compassion and conscience. Otherwise, you will grow up with neither, and will grow up to use others just as they used you.

IMHO, we need to remove the piecework system of paying to propagate. Until we get the population of objectified, conscienceless criminals WAAAYY down, we need to fence them off from the rest of us till they are old and creaky. We are not on the right trajectory to do that.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-07 11:55:27

Drugs and prisoners: Where can a poor person go for serious public healthcare drug treatment? Almost nowhere. Why? Why do prisons get the money and the people don’t for treatment? The math doesn’t add up.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/63

There are currently more than 2 million people in American prisons or jails. Approximately one-quarter of those people held in U.S. prisons or jails have been convicted of a drug offense. The United States incarcerates more people for drug offenses than any other country. With an estimated 6.8 million Americans struggling with drug abuse or dependence, the growth of the prison population continues to be driven largely by incarceration for drug offenses.”…

…(Drug) Treatment delivered in the community is one of the most cost-effective ways to prevent such crimes and costs approximately $20,000 less than incarceration per person per year.22 A study by the Washington State Institute for Public Policy found that every dollar spent on drug treatment in the community yields over $18 in cost savings related to crime.23 In comparison, prisons only yield $.37 in public safety benefit per dollar spent. Releasing people to supervision and making treatment accessible is an effective way of reducing problematic drug use, reducing crime associated with drug use and reducing the number of people in prison.”

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-07 12:25:50

Jane now do you see why it’s either speak English or serve every last day of your sentence.

As long as ghetto rap and hip hop is their language, they will not change.

Let them come here and argue with us…if they can hold a civil conversation then maybe, just maybe they are ready to make it on the outside.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 16:30:22

Prison labor would be more acceptable to me if we didn’t (by far) have the largest per capita prison population in the world,”

This is incorrect.

We have largest prison population… PERIOD. Not by “capita” or any other comparison, just plain, the largest, period.

We are, by definition, a police state.

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Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 04:10:43

Starbucks’ employees in Chile plan strike: report

(Reuters) - Employees at Starbucks Corp’s (SBUX.O) outlets in Chile plan to walk out on Thursday because, they say, their wages are so low that they can’t afford to buy lunch, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Unionized employees at 30 of Starbucks’ 31 Chilean stores plan to walk out for as many as several days the Journal reported, citing the president of the union Sindicato de Trabajadores de Starbucks Coffee Chile.

The starting hourly wage for Chilean Starbucks workers is the equivalent of $2.50 and has not changed in eight years the Journal said on its website, citing the union president.

The coffee chain’s employees in Chile have been pressing for a lunch stipend since they organized two years ago and in April the union presented the company with a proposal seeking a monthly lunch bonus of $100, among other requests, the Journal reported.

But because the demands have not been met the union voted to strike on June 25, the paper said.

Starbucks could not be immediately reached for comment by Reuters, but the Journal cited a company spokesman as saying the company will be able to keep all of its stores open if the strike happens.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-07 05:36:13

Unions! Now they want enough money to eat lunch! Breakfast and dinner is more than enough food. Lunch is for the producers. (’But they’re producing your lunch!’ Shut up, commie!)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 05:49:11

Employees at Starbucks Corp’s (SBUX.O) outlets in Chile plan to walk out on Thursday because, they say, their wages are so low that they can’t afford to buy lunch, the Wall Street Journal reported.

The starting hourly wage for Chilean Starbucks workers is the equivalent of $2.50 and has not changed in eight years the Journal said on its website, citing the union president.

That has to be Michelle Bachmann’s dream.

Comment by Robin
2011-07-07 21:54:24

+1

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 06:13:19

Wait a second, I thought Starsux was a “progressive” company. I know anytime I’ve walked by one a large number of folks inside appear to be in deep thought. Their laptops opened, furrowed brows sipping their high priced coffee in support of the corporation. Surely the “smart set” would not patronize a business that all but supports slave labor in other countries. That is unthinkable.

Comment by polly
2011-07-07 08:54:53

I knew an actor from Chicago who said that all the semi-employed actors in Chicago tried to work part time at Starbucks because they got health insurance as long as they worked over 20 hours a week - and the bosses were fairly flexible about people trading shifts to get to auditions.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-07-07 10:53:47

Most of the progressives that I know would not set foot into a Starmucks. Bad overpriced coffee and poor treatment of workers? Someone who is progressive in his or her thinking would be able to reason themselves out of that box, especially with prices so high. Perhaps Philz and Blue Bottle for a treat/occasional bouts of laziness, but otherwise they’d grind their own by hand with fair-trade coffee.

I think that your gross generalizations (and attempt as mud-slinging at “progressives”) may be off the mark

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-07 12:29:17

Oh I love Starbuxxxx…. but then you have to live in NYC to understand how hard it is to find a bathroom when you really need one.

So whats a few dollars for an overpriced drink once in awhile…

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 11:27:11

I know anytime I’ve walked by one a large number of folks inside appear to be in deep thought. Their laptops opened, furrowed brows sipping their high priced coffee in support of the corporation.

Here in Tucson, I know a family that owns a coffeehouse. Although I’m not a coffee drinker, I’ve heard that this place’s brew beats the pants off of Starbucks.

Now, about those laptoppers: In the coffeehouse trade, there’s a name for these people. They’re called table suckers. This name recognizes their superb ability to take up space while generating little revenue for the establishment.

Needless to say, operators of coffeehouses don’t care for the table-sucking crowd. They’re like any other eating and drinking establishment in that they need turnover.

Comment by cactus
2011-07-07 12:24:09

Now, about those laptoppers: In the coffeehouse trade, there’s a name for these people. They’re called table suckers.”

I bet the table suckers like the free air conditioning in Tucson in the summer and spring and fall

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 12:32:55

bet the table suckers like the free air conditioning in Tucson in the summer and spring and fall

They sure do!

As for me, I’m not the type who feels the need to write my Great American Novel on a laptop in a public place. I do my writing right here at the Arizona Slim Ranch. And then, when the day is done, I go out to socialize.

There have been times when my coffeehouse socializing with friends has aroused the ire of the table suckers. I mean, the nerve of us cracking jokes and laughing while they’re trying to write their Great American Novels. Or their screenplays.

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 06:44:53

Before you jump to conclusions, what does $2.50 mean?

The general minimum wage in Chile was 172000 pesos, or $337 dollars per month. (2010 data from wiki) Even though fast-food hates to give out full-time hours, let’s assume 176 hr per month:

Chilean minimum wage is $1.92/hour.
The union says the Sbux workers get $2.50/hour.

Sbux is paying them well already.

For the $100 lunch bonus, $100/22 = $4.54/day lunch, or 2.36 hours at minimum wage. To take the American equivalent, those workers are asking for a bonus for $17 per lunch, every day!

Are my numbers right? Even in expensive downtown DC, a deli lunch is no more than $12. Maybe the union is overstepping?

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 08:30:45

Chilean minimum wage is $1.92/hour.
The union says the Sbux workers get $2.50/hour.

Sbux is paying them well already.

While 2.50 might be more than Chilean minimum wage we shoudln’t fall into the trap of believing for a second that it has more buying power than $2.50 in the USA.

Wait a second, I thought Starsux was a “progressive” company.

I know you don’t really believe that for a second. They are a large corporation, and behave like one. As for their clientele, the truly hip ones buy their coffee and mom-n-pop espresso joints. Starbucks is the McDonalds of espresso. Most of them have drive thrus so cubicle dwellers can buy their corporate coffee without getting out of their car.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-07 10:29:33

While 2.50 might be more than Chilean minimum wage we shoudln’t fall into the trap of believing for a second that it has more buying power than $2.50 in the USA.

Good point. Right now in Rio, much of Brazil and in many of the cities in South America that have a Starbucks, it does not, especially for finished goods and many skilled services.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 16:36:01

I love it when US corporations try the same crap they pull on us in other countries and end up with strikes, riots and GOVERNMENT rulings FOR the employees.

Which is why I always say “You want to move to another country? WTF are you waiting for? Go and go now, you effing traitors.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 16:48:18

Which is why I always say “You want to move to another country? WTF are you waiting for? Go and go now, you effing traitors.”

And one of the things that those people will learn is that other countries aren’t exactly warm and fuzzy toward Americans. Oh, they sure love our spending money there, but us? Personally? Not so much.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-07 04:19:41

Sellers Brace for New Mortgage Caps

October Change Is Meant to Reduce the Government Footprint in Housing, but Industry Fears It Could Lead to Lower Prices.

By NICK TIMIRAOS And ALAN ZIBEL
JULY 6, 2011.

The federal government is readying its first retreat from the mortgage market, with the size of loans eligible for government backing set to decline in October.

As an emergency measure three years ago, Congress raised to as high as $729,750 the maximum loan amount that Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and federal agencies could guarantee.

Now those limits are set to decline modestly in hundreds of counties across the U.S. as the government attempts to reduce its outsized footprint in the mortgage market and create room for private investors to compete. Government-related entities stand behind more than nine of 10 new mortgages, and taxpayers have sunk $138 billion into Fannie and Freddie, underscoring the eagerness to dial down the government’s share.

The new limits will vary widely by location, but will drop to $625,500 in top-tier markets such as New York, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.

Even though the new limits won’t take effect until Oct. 1, some lenders are already warning borrowers that they will stop accepting applications for loans that exceed the new limits much sooner, to ensure the loans are funded before the cutoff date.

Homeowners whose mortgages are too big to qualify for a government-backed mortgage must seek a so-called jumbo loan, which often carry higher interest rates as well as larger down-payment requirements, sometimes more than 20%.

“Sellers are going to have to reduce their prices if borrowing costs rise,” said Scott Sheldon, a loan officer with First Cal Mortgage in Petaluma, Calif.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303763404576420101788878440.html - 210k -

Comment by michael
2011-07-07 04:54:18

if someone bought a house in DC for 720K with a 7 year arm and it resets after they drop the threshold to 625K. did they just get fubar’ed?

Comment by scdave
2011-07-07 07:14:47

Yep….That’s what happens when rules get changed in the middle of the game…That’s nothing…Wait until the mortgage interest deduction gets eliminated or severely compromised..

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 08:59:06

How much they will be hurt depends on how good their credit is (and amount of real equity in the home). I obtained a non-GSE (jumbo) loan with 25% down, and am only paying about 25-40bps higher than the then going rate for GSE backed debt. 30-year, non-GSE, jumbo financing for 5.15%…I’m not crying, and don’t feel fubar’ed.

I suspect the main issue for them when the loan resets won’t be whether the debt available is GSE or not, but where rates are generally at that time.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-07 09:32:29

Jumbo? Heh…. you’re not in just a$$ deep… no. You’re in over your head.

Save yourself and dump that shack.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 13:17:11

Any comments on the effect of the GSE changes to the overall housing market? Or just more baseless personal attacks?

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-07 16:35:17

Don’t take reality as a personal attack.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 16:41:08

You have no idea what I make, what I paid for my home, what I borrowed, or what I have in assets aside from my home.

You have no basis on which to judge reality. The only thing left is a personal attack.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-07 17:02:59

If you bought between 1998-2010, you’re screwed. Get over it and get on with life and quit taking facts as a personal attack.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 17:38:42

Well then, I’m not screwed. Cool.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-07 18:15:12

2011=Screwed.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 18:46:08

lol

If you don’t like that the facts don’t fit your world view, change the parameters that are the basis of your conclusion. Perfect. Classic.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-07 19:35:22

You got suckered. Get over it and get on with it.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-07 21:08:17

If you bought between 1998-2010, you’re screwed.

Maybe but it is not that simple. If he lives in the Bay Area he’s “screwed” if he bought maybe after 2002 IMO. But who knows what the definition of “screwed” is. Paying off mortgages pays off mortgages no matter if one paid “too much”. The end result is a paid off house.

Life moves on and it’s expensive there. (I lived there 14 years.)

Some times it just doesn’t matter.

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2011-07-07 11:06:22

Is this why TTT is lining up a job at GS??

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 04:23:55

Irish Begged to Buy Fridges to Boost Economy
By Finbarr Flynn and Dara Doyle - Jul 7, 2011- Bloomberg

Tara O’Neill stands empty-handed and defiant outside a Marks & Spencer store on Dublin’s busiest shopping street. She won’t be tempted to buy anything.

“I’ve gotten rid of my credit cards and paid down my overdraft,” said O’Neill, 36, whose construction worker husband is in London after Ireland’s real-estate bubble collapsed. “Now we’re in recession. I don’t buy what I don’t have to.”

Irish retail sales are falling at more than twice the pace of the average in the euro region, after the government increased taxes and reduced salaries for state workers by 14 percent to help cope with Europe’s worst banking crisis. Consumer spending plunged 1.9 percent in the first quarter from the fourth quarter, the steepest drop in two years, according to figures published last month by the statistics office.

With household expenditure accounting for 53 percent of the economy, Ireland’s ability to emerge from its deepest economic contraction in history may depend on persuading people like O’Neill to start spending the cash they have left. The yield on 10-year Irish bonds rose to a record today amid speculation that the nation’s credit rating may join Greece and Portugal in being downgraded to junk.

Finance Minister Michael Noonan lowered the sales tax on everything from haircuts to meals to 9 percent from 13.5 percent starting July 1 and also has pleaded with consumers to replace their “clapped out” refrigerators and tumble dryers.
‘Guerilla Raids’

“There’s a whole generation of Irish people who were born to shop and they’ve had to change their behavior entirely,” said Austin Hughes, chief economist at KBC Ireland in Dublin, which publishes a monthly index of consumer sentiment. “It’s like they are burrowing deeper into their foxholes, saving and paying off debt, and only coming out for guerilla raids when they see a big bargain.”

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 05:56:07

Are those fridges made in Ireland or do they just import them from China like we do?

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-07 08:45:26

My guess is Germany. European fridges are tiny compared to American fridges.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 09:43:34

I know, they look like college dorm fridges and typically fit under the counter in the kitchen.

So they’re going to stimulate Gemany’s economy? Or maybe those fridges are assembled in eastern Europe?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 11:31:01

I have one of those reefers. (It’s a Frigidaire.) It would fit under my kitchen counter, say, in a dishwasher space if I had one. (I’m the dishwasher around here.)

This fridge cost about 200 bucks at Lowes. That included delivery.

So much for the economic stimulus via refrigerator. It doesn’t add up to much.

 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 19:18:01

We currently live with one of those bar size refridges. It’s amazing what we can get in it. When pile all the veggies in it, and close the door, hoping it stays closed. It has helped my spacial perception.

Our former residence had a built in/cabinet doors matching one, and we had no idea this apt would be our home for so long. I’ll tell you one good thing. You can’t store frozen junk food. We’re both thin and *healthy (*treadmill daily). Ice Cream, once day a year, eat’in outside.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 19:32:55

You can’t store frozen junk food. We’re both thin and *healthy (*treadmill daily). Ice Cream, once day a year, eat’in outside.

My fridge also has a tiny freezer. Which doesn’t hold much ice cream. Yet another reason why I seldom buy the stuff.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 21:13:16

I’m actually glad I have a large freezer…my wife and I both work and have the goal of trying to eat dinner as a family every night without pre-packaged food, or getting take-out. Despite the goal, we readily acknowledge that we’re not always successful. It’s tough to get home at 6:00 and have dinner on the table by 7:00, especially if the other spouse is not going to be home that night until 7:00, and child entertainment is also on the menu. In addition to doing prep-work the night before, I find that cooking double or triple batches of meals on weekends allow us to freeze good meals for later use (lasagna, soups, pasta sauce, pesto, black bean burgers, homemade beef burgers, etc.).

 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-07 06:30:35

Got potatoes?

 
Comment by measton
2011-07-07 11:27:23

Get ready for this in Spain, Portugal, Greece

then compare to

Iceland

Let’s see if the Joe 6pks of the world will make a connection. Let’s see if they understand that they are being bled to feed the Vampire Squids

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-07 12:23:55

Right now I don’t think J6P even knows there is a problem in any of those countries. Maybe he heard the greeks are protesting about something and Iceland had some kind of trouble a while back, but that was a long time ago.

What matters is that we got through the 4th. The fireworks were good and the hangover is gone. Next up, Labor Day and football season. Just gotta keep showing up for work between now and then.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 11:28:54

“I’ve gotten rid of my credit cards and paid down my overdraft,” said O’Neill, 36, whose construction worker husband is in London after Ireland’s real-estate bubble collapsed. “Now we’re in recession. I don’t buy what I don’t have to.”

Tara, you meanie!

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 04:51:26

When I read articles like this, I know that The Powers that Be have won:

America, down but not out: A nation of fighters responds
Bob Sullivan / msnbc dot com

Is this the new normal — a mom with 7-week-old twins waiting tables for travelers at a late-night diner?

I interviewed dozens of people during my just completed cross-country journey, but my idle late-night chat with a waitress in southern Idaho seemed to strike the loudest chord with readers….

“I have an 18-month old at home,” she said. “And two 7-week-old twins.” Her husband works during the day, and she works at night so someone is always with the kids.

…barbs were slung about this anonymous waitress, who seemed to draw forth every political argument of the past half-century — about our inadequate health care and maternity leave systems; about low minimum wage standards; about a lack of economic opportunity in small towns, or large ones; about the two-income trap that forces both parents to work to survive; about birth control — she should have used it, some said — and about letting people sink or swim on their own personal choices. Any many more.

One thing seemed undeniable, however: the waitress and her story made us angry. Or rather, she exposed our anger.

To drive across this great country, coast to coast, is to engage its beauty, its history and its spectacular depth. Making the trip today, however, forces a traveler to confront something else: the unmistakable frustration that grows with each passing month of anemic recovery from a bad recession. The unemployed are tired of looking for work; the underemployed are tired of being insulted by their bosses; home sellers are exhausted trying to find buyers. Even people who are doing OK feel stuck, wondering when their next city park might close, if their health care co-pay is going up or when might be a better time to open a small business.

We are tired, and we are angry.

But we are Americans, which means we don’t give up.

I was privileged during this past three weeks to meet hundreds of msnbc.com and Red Tape readers who overwhelmed me with their stories about fighting cable TV and cell phone fees, fighting school taxes, fighting to keep small towns alive — and, yes, fighting with burger customers at midnight so their children will have a chance. The common thread is obvious. Sometimes it can get ugly, and it’s almost always uncomfortable, but America is a nation of fighters. That spirit is our greatest national resource. That is what will pull us through this dark time.… [commence anecdotes]

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Bob Sullivan writes columns about consumers fighting back, but they are frying only the small fish: cell phone fees, free cable, or fine print on credit cards. At most, he covers ID theft.

Memo to Bob: The Powers That Be don’t give a crap if you call to complain enough to get a $39 late fee waived on your credit card bill. They’ve already made up their $39 by paying someone in India to handle your call. They want your $520 a month in health care premiums; if you’re old and on Medicare, they want that $520 a month to come from the evil government and filter through their “administrative costs” before any care reaches you. They want that $22K per year from the government student loan to pay for inflated college, and they want that $14K in interest when you pay the loans back. They encourage you to get your health care from Medicaid so that they don’t have to provide it. They want you to pay your taxes so they don’t have to pay theirs. They want your $1899 I/O payment on your mortgage before they foreclose anyway. They give tax breaks to their buddies so they can blame the deficit on your $1400/month “lavish” pension. Most of all, they want your $50K/year job so they can give it to someone who will do it for $12K.

So, TPTB welcome stories like this. The decoy worked, the masses have been distracted from the big money. Let the little guys fry their little fish and pat each other on the back for “the fighting spirit” and “overcoming adversity” and the “triumph of the American spirit.” Let them feel proud of themselves for refraining from buying $3.69 for coffee while they fork over thousands of dollars in cheated money without question.

Because that’s what America is really about: money, goodies, health, leisure for the rich, while the rest “will get pie in the sky until we die.”

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-07 05:09:36

Well said. Wondering when we’ll go Irish and just stop the buying. Probably not till, like them, austerity is forced upon us.

If Americans were really fighters they’d starve the beast.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-07 05:47:37

“If Americans were really fighters they’d starve the beast.”

If Americans were really fighters, they’d tax the rich at the same rates they tax themselves. And not be distracted by calls for austerity, by those who have plenty.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 05:54:37

Agreed. We aren’t fighters. We’re whipped. Just like when Bush 2 cheered when a woman told him she had 3 jobs.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 16:56:42

Beat me too it.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-07 05:59:54

Oh I agree completely on your point. I get so angry at the tax rate differences I could just spit. But do you think in the meantime Americans are doing anything to change our plight? I’m saying the Irish didn’t until there was pressure applied. And we wont’ either.

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 06:53:16

Many Americans are trying to change our plight. In fact, there are 56 or so Senators, and the hundreds of thousands of people who fought to elect them, who wanted Public Option health care. Those 56 senators were fighting as hard as they could. And they were filibustered every time.

In the battle of money against numbers, the money is winning.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 11:34:06

If Americans were really fighters, they’d tax the rich at the same rates they tax themselves. And not be distracted by calls for austerity, by those who have plenty.

Already happening. I wrote yesterday about our town’s subversion of a deficit reduction event organized by Gabby Giffords’ office.

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Comment by wolfgirl
2011-07-07 07:27:02

My husband and I havae pretty much stopped buying. But then there’s not a lot we need anyway. My SIL-a retired postal worker-is a different story. She loves to shop and is on the road a lot of the time. She does take her grandkids to all the stuff they simply have to go to. It makaes me glad I don’t have grandchildren. I don’t want to spend half the day driving or waiting for classes to end.

 
 
Comment by michael
2011-07-07 05:17:28

i should have stopped reading at “7 week old twins”.

(not your commentary oxide…the story)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 05:53:20

Most of all, they want your $50K/year job so they can give it to someone who will do it for $12K.

This sums it all up in a nutshell.

And the Masters feel so empowered that they will anounce their desire to eliminate minimum wage publicly without fear of public retribution.

That is just how collectively whipped we are.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-07 07:00:08

This was and the biggest reason why so many people were always willing to work at Walmart. most were open 18-24 hours or at least you can unload trucks and stock shelves on the graveyard shift.

Her husband works during the day, and she works at night so someone is always with the kids.

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-07 08:49:20

Walmart plays fast and loose with scheduling nowa days.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 16:58:37

As well as pay, discrimination and lack of benefits.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-07 05:03:50

None of these states should allow Casey Anthony to move there, they are already running out of children.

24/7 Wall St.: 10 States Running Out of Children

http://xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/finance-10statesrunningoutofchildren/the-states-running-out-of-children/?cid=hero_media - -

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-07-07 05:39:02

Send them Octomom!

Comment by Steve W
2011-07-07 05:49:39

Send them the doctor who fertilized Octomom!

 
 
Comment by michael
2011-07-07 05:43:45

i am a true housing bubblehead.

whenever someone types…Casey Anthony.

my mind sees…Casey Serin.

lol…peas in a pod.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-07 08:13:27

I thought it was just me.

 
 
Comment by jane
2011-07-07 07:06:32

I’ll hypothesize ONE reason why there’s a dearth of kids in MD and VA. All the adults spend half their lives working, and the other half getting to and returning from work, while clogged up in 5 mph traffic jams that run 24/7.

I can’t think of any geography that is more hostile to having a family life, complete with participating in sports and Girl Scouts, and getting home in time to have dinner as a family, than SE MD and Northern VA, the population centers of these two respective states. Both parents ABSOLUTELY have to work, just for the necessities, driven by the price of cr*pshacks. And now, even the price of rent, now that we are an inflationary spiral there as well. The price of cr*pshacks, the cost of child care 12 hours a day, and the lack of any CASH after the cr*pshack nut is paid for - who the heck would willingly take on the additional drain of having a child? You’d have to think very, very carefully. Unless, of course, you are one of the entitled class on either end.

Just my opinion, of course. Man, if I still had kids at home that I had to drive around here and there, I would be absolutely INSANE.

Just to stay on top of what I have to do that is non-optional, I absolutely have to put in a couple hours a night. If I still had kids living at home with this schedule, this traffic, and this overhead, they would be raising themselves, poor things.

We “r” all subprime now, and must learn to endure the serf lifestyle.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-07 10:54:23

I dunno i always had a bike to ride, and we used to bike to the next town to play ball on their field, with either baskets from my paper route days or saddle bags.. what is it with these kids today, they can’t to the same? our moms were not taxi drivers unless it was really bad weather.

Just my opinion, of course. Man, if I still had kids at home that I had to drive around here and there, I would be absolutely INSANE.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-07 12:27:37

Kids aren’t allowed to do that any more. Even if you recognize that the odds of something happening to them haven’t gotten any worse than they were back in the good old days, you will be shunned or even reported if you allow your kid to move about the local area independently of you before they can drive.

That’s in suburbia. Here in the trailer park we can do whatever we want :-).

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Comment by jane
2011-07-07 12:32:40

DJ,

You have never been to this area, have you.

In Northern Virginia or MD within 40 mile radius of DC, it is taking your life in your hands to ride a bike or to be a pedestrian.

There are NO SIDEWALKS. Every square foot along the roadways leading to arteries leading to ‘the next town’ has been cannibalized for ROI.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 17:12:35

Most New York city dwellers have NO clue what the rest of the country is like.

There is NO mass transportation. There are no sidewalks. There are NO bike lanes. EVERYTHING is MILES apart. Traffic moves as fast as it can no matter what the speed limit says.

You WILL die trying to ride a bike everyday. And where mass transit is available, it is ONLY a bus service, and it is unreliable, unsheltered, and does NOT go exactly where you need, leaving you to walk very large and long blocks to your destination… with no sidewalks.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 18:26:09

DJ, you think the landlords don’t know about the luxury of a sidewalk or a being on a bus line, or a METRO STOP? LL’s know about this full well and raise the rents sky-high so that multi-generational rowhouses can take the bus to work. Rents for a SMALL one-bedroom apartment are $1500 a month, and that’s still metro stop from the end of the line, a half-hour to downtown at least. Every Metro stop down increases the rent about $110 a month.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-07 18:47:31

Yes i lived in a lot of areas other then NY….and most of the time i had a bike..even just to go to the post office or store for a few items, not a serious biker….just for some fun and exercise…

And yes public transportation is minimal in most cities unless you are in a college town… and I thought you were supposed to have sidewalks at least 1/2 mile from schools..

And yes Landlords & parking Garages do that here too raise the rent for close locations

—There are no sidewalks. There are NO bike lanes. EVERYTHING is MILES

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 17:05:53

Jane, love ya, but you really should try welfare for a year or 2 before you throw out words like “entitled” or phrases like “just another check box for more money.”

Welfare is NOT easy to acquire, can easily be taken away at a moment’s notice, requires almost the same amount of monthly paperwork and diligence as any part-time clerking job and offers no way out once you’re in the system.

JOBS are the ONLY solution, but instead we get job destruction and importation of cheap labor that has no rights.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2011-07-07 12:31:49

24/7 Wall St.: 10 States Running Out of Children

Probably not too good for home prices going forward

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-07 05:29:50

Farkas!

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 05:54:52

Housing prices: No rebound in sight
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Housing prices are likely to keep falling the rest of this year, and probably won’t show much improvement next year either, according to a survey of economists.

A CNNMoney exclusive survey of 27 economists showed the battered housing market is facing myriad problems and won’t turn around anytime soon.

Of the 22 who had specific predictions for the closely watched Case-Shiller home price index, the median forecast was for a 3.9% decline in the second quarter compared to a year earlier, and a 2.9% drop in prices over the course of the full year.

Only three economists expect prices to rise this year.

The outlook for 2012 is only modestly better — a 2% increase in home values, with six of the economists forecasting another drop in prices next year.

Nearly half were looking for a significant improvement in the labor market to boost housing, while the rest believe it will just take time to work through the inventory of foreclosed homes.

One economist, Kevin Giddis, head of fixed income at Morgan Keegan, said he believed it would take further significant declines in home prices in order to set a true bottom for the market.

Giddis is forecasting a 4% drop in prices this year.

Several others said all of those things need to occur before the housing market can show meaningful improvement. To top of page

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-07 05:55:10

Listings dropping like a rock! It must be a great time to buy.

Home Type Single family
Homes Sale

SEARCH ASSIST by REALTOR.com”

Jupiter Fl. 33458

Beds 3 2 Baths
405 Listings Found
Listings last updated 7 minutes ago Search by MLS #Search

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 05:56:22

Obama puts Medicare, Social Security cuts on the table
~ Yahoo.com

The Obama administration, in seeking $4 trillion in spending cuts in a debt limit deal, has put major changes to Social Security and Medicare on the table if Republicans agree to increased tax revenues.

The offer caters to both sides in the debt limit negotiations and according to the Washington Post, President Obama will urge congressional leaders on Thursday to seize the opportunity to act. The compromise, however, still puts both Republicans and Democrats in tough spots.

Democrats have vowed to protect Medicare and Social Security, while Republicans still argue that tax increases are not realistic legislative proposals. If leadership from both parties agree to the Obama’s compromise, the next move will be to sell the plan to their respective bases and to members of Congress.

But Thursday’s meetings at the White House will reveal just how many concessions each party is willing to make.

The president has reportedly already privately discussed his plan with Speaker of the House John Boehner. Michael Steel, spokesperson for Boehner, though, told the Washington Post “there are no tax increases on the table.”

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-07 06:27:37

Yet clawbacks on bonuses made by bankers who ran their institutions into the ground forcing bail-outs and no interest loans w/public moneys is out of the question.

Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 06:48:13

CarrieAnn, I know you don’t seriously expect this or any other administration to go after it’s masters. They would draw back a nub if they put their hand on the banksters wallets.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-07 08:17:13

Perhaps they should put on some brass knuckles, then. And maybe some gloves. And a hand grenade if all else fails.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-07 10:59:25

Obama & Co. have a whole toolbox worth of tools they could use to screw with the banksters, if they have the desire/will/motivation.

The fact that they haven’t used any of them speaks volumes.

As someone noted, money trumps voters.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 18:42:33

Obama & Co. have a whole toolbox worth of tools they could use to screw with the banksters, if they have the desire/will/motivation.

The fact that they haven’t used any of them speaks volumes.

Ha, lil Opie’s election is 16 months “just-around-the-corner” ;-)

(Review Lincoln’s stratagem regarding Border-States just before his run at election #2)

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2011-07-07 09:16:04

Those bonuses were private contracts between the executive and the company. The only time that a clawback could have been demanded was when they were bailing them out (as a condition of getting the money). To do a clawback now would be impossible. You could pass a law that would only apply going forward requiring that exec contracts have clawback provisions if the exec did [fill in the behavior you want to punish here], but I the whole lot of them would reorganize as Grand Cayman Island corporations faster than you could recover from a hangover.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 07:04:48

if Republicans agree to increased tax revenues.

Good for the journalists who used this phrase. Yesterday, Eric Cantor caved a little and suggested closing some tax loopholes IF other loopholes were opened somewhere else, or rates went down. That is, the total revenue coming in wouldn’t change. (The R’s LIKE the deficit. As long as they stand tea-party fast on constant revenue, the higher the deficit, the more SS and Medicare they get to screw.)

I suspect that Biden called them out on their games, which is why the talks broke down. R’s went to Obama the Caver. Obama didn’t fall for it either.

Things are in a stall. In the meantime, keep an eye on Minnesota. They had the exact same standoff. D Governor wanted to raise taxes, R legislature said no. The state is still shut down. I think Congress is watching closely, to see who Minnesotans blame for the shutdown. If they blame R’s, watch out, Boehner and Tea Party.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-07 07:52:41

If only these self serving Rs would let Biden and Obama balance the budget and end the wars. Maybe in his next term.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 08:12:51

If the self-serving R’s let Obama and Biden bring back some jobs (read: middle class people paying taxes and buying stuff), let Bush’s tax cuts expire, treat all income the same in the tax realm (both capital gains AND inheritances), and institute single payer health care, then Obama just might be able to be on his way toward balancing the budget.*

In case you’ve been living under a rock, Obama IS ending the wars..slowly, but he’s ending them.

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*I say “on his way” because there’s no way Obama will be able to balance the budget in such a short time — not after Bush got done ravaging it. Of course, even if Obama did partially claw our way back from debt, as soon as the R’s got into office again, they would say: “Oh look, the budget is almost balanced. We don’t need to pay back the debt, let’s cut taxes!!” This is exactly what happened in 2001.

Bush v Gore destroyed this country.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-07 08:26:14

Bush v Gore destroyed this country.

It didn’t help, but it was just a symptom.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-07-07 09:37:29

I’m about the 2nd or 3rd last person (just giving benefit of the doubt, here) to say anything supporting Bush 2, but wasn’t “Obama’s” pullout of Iraq simply conforming to the schedule already in place before BO took office?

 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 10:06:26

You are correct. Obama was following a plan already in place. However, Bush deserves no credit for that. In 2006, Democrats really rose up and used the Iraq War as a campaign strategy, and took back both the house and Senate in the next elections. The day after those elections, Bush tossed the odious Donald Rumsfeld and brought in Bob Gates. It was Gates 2007-2008 who really brought Iraq out of its funk.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-07 10:27:56

I’m just not feeling the love with the current administration, on the war or on fiscal responsibility, certainly not on favoring the big monied interests over the general population. I marvel at your steadfast adoration in the face of things in plain sight. Things are worse, not better. I am absolutely sure that most people who voted Republican did not get what they wanted. I am absolutely sure most people who voted Democrat did not get what they wanted.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-08 06:20:22

I marvel at your steadfast adoration in the face of things in plain sight.

Obama isn’t the one holding back on legislation. It’s the R’s in the Senate who abused the filibuster priviledge. If Obama truly had had his 60 votes (he never did), or if the R’s didn’t abuse the filibuster, then we would have had so much progressive legislation is would have made your head spin. Because of the self-serving R’s, Obama has to cave to pass anything at all.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 08:27:08

Money is fungible.

A man wants a a second yacht. After all he’s a producer and he deserves it. He buys the yacht, but finds himself in debt. To balance his budget, he convinces his long-abused wife to cut off medication to his elderly mother-in-law. The mother in dies. A good thing, thinks the man as he sails on his yacht. She wasn’t contributing much anyway.

Money is fungible.

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Comment by Robin
2011-07-07 22:52:45

Mothers-in-law are damn bad sailors, but they normally know how the hell to cook! - :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 09:05:56

This whole thing is starting to look like the Simpson/Bowles plan. Politically, Obama should have simply pushed that one through a year ago, and he could have said that it was his bi-partisan commission, his bi-partisan plan, etc.

Now he is just a co-leader with the Republican majority in the House, instead of the leader proposing a plan that works for both sides.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-07-07 11:31:55

Has The One ever been out in front on anything?

Who did the heavy lifting for what’s now called Obamacare? Not The One.

 
 
Comment by measton
2011-07-07 12:11:05

See story on Ireland where no one is buying anything and see any of combotechi’s posts to understand where this is heading.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-07 13:17:46

“The Obama administration, in seeking $4 trillion in spending cuts”

Wow! He wants to eliminate the entire Federal Budget! HaHA! Oh wait, he probably means $4 Tr less in spending increases than what he imagined we might do, isn’t that the way the big reduction worked when the Repubs took over last year?

Don’t worry, it will all be solved by 2025.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-07 06:10:16

Feds say the newest mortgage fraud is reverse mortgage fraud

By Jeff Ostrowski Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 6:06 p.m. Wednesday, July 6, 2011

In a $2.6 million scam, three Palm Beach County men used bogus appraisals to take out reverse mortgages on behalf of unwitting borrowers, federal prosecutors said Wednesday.

In one phony deal, the trio convinced reverse mortgage lender Genworth Financial that a Sunrise condo appraised at $31,000 was really worth $275,000.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office said Louis Gendason, 42, of Delray Beach, and John Incandela, 24, and Marcus Echevarria, 29, both of Palm Beach, each face one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. The three worked as loan officers for First Continental Mortgage, which had offices in Fort Lauderdale and Boca Raton. The office said it was its first reverse mortgage fraud prosecution

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/real-estate/feds-say-the-newest-mortgage-fraud-is-reverse-1587282.html - -

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-07 06:21:58

How did they ever get this guy?

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Comment by Montana
2011-07-07 09:08:11

What are these, judgments?

 
 
 
Comment by skroodle
2011-07-07 06:17:58

Last year Treasury printed more $100 bills than dollar bills for the first time. There are now more than seven billion pictures of Benjamin Franklin in circulation — and the Federal Reserve’s best guess is that two-thirds are held by foreigners.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/business/07currency.html?_r=1&ref=business&pagewanted=all

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 06:23:56

Snakes Force Family From Home, Into Bankruptcy

MAYBELL, Colo. (CBS4) – A Colorado family has moved out of their house after discovering hundreds of snakes living inside. Their home was in the town of Maybell in northwestern Colorado. Now a bankruptcy court may sue the previous owner and real estate agent for failure to disclose the snakes were there.

It looked like a gem — four bedrooms, four baths. But once Cynthia Beaver and her family moved in they discovered the snakes.

“A friend was babysitting our animals and she said, ‘I don’t want to alarm you but there’s a snake back there.’ And then pretty soon there was just hundreds of them,” Beaver said.

Beaver took pictures of them and tried to get rid of them, without any luck. The snakes apparently decided they were there first and weren’t leaving.

“So you’d look back here and there are snakes with their heads sticking out between the siding with their tongues flicking in and out,” she said. “It was way nasty.”

The family quickly made a decision — if the snakes weren’t leaving, they were.

“You expected them to just drop from the ceiling. It was just a nasty feeling. You couldn’t go in the cereal boxes because we were afraid, ‘What if there was a snake in there?”

The dispute over the snakes has gotten a bit nasty as well. The Beaver family claims the real estate agent who sold them the house failed to mention anything about snakes at the closing after being asked about such a rumor. That salesperson insisted she had no knowledge of snakes from previous owners and pointed out the Beaver family chose not to have a professional home inspection done.

“We had to file for bankruptcy to get rid of the house – we lost all of our credit, everything.”

Now the house is for sale as a bank foreclosure. CBS4 obtained the listing brochure which simply says “As Is.” CBS4 investigator Rick Sallinger called the new agent who was selling it. He asked the agent if she was aware of any prior history of problems. She said years ago previous owners stated there had been some snakes, but she hasn’t seen any and it has been remedied.

Such a problem is not unheard of. The Animal Planet channel did a story about a family in Idaho. Their yard was infested with garter snakes. They also left their home and filed for bankruptcy.

A lawsuit is in the works over the Maybell home. The previous owner of the house told CBS4 he was not aware of any snakes when he sold the house. He did not want to say more because a lawsuit is expected to be filed by the bankruptcy trustee over whether the issue of snakes should have been disclosed.

Comment by 2banana
2011-07-07 09:41:35

That salesperson insisted she had no knowledge of snakes from previous owners and pointed out the Beaver family chose not to have a professional home inspection done.

There is a lesson in there somewhere…

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-07 10:31:38

cats. It really is that easy.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-07-07 11:34:34

Really? Cats? I was thinking mongooses (mongeese?)

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 11:40:29

Since when did Maybell become big enough to have problems like this? When I bicycled through there in 1981, the place was a “sneeze and you miss it” town.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-07-07 13:37:10

I saw that house on an episode of the show Infested (on the animal channel maybe). Basically the house was built on a huge garter snake den. The guy would find 40 snakes a day in his yard and could hear them crawling in his walls.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 06:31:34

China is doing it’s part…

U.S. Timber Exports to China Have Lessened the Economic Blow for Some July 06, 2011| FoxNews.com

The timber industry has been a surprising bright spot in the U.S. economy.

Even as the housing market continues to sputter and home building remains stuck at levels one-third of the boom times of 2006, exports to China have softened the blow.

In 2010, timber exports to China more than doubled compared with 2009. The country spent $270 million on U.S. trees, surpassing Japan and Canada as the largest foreign timber market. The winners are the big, private timber companies.

“Last year, if you look at the growth to Japan, it was about 15 percent,” says Bruce Amundson, with the international forest products company Weyerhaeuser. “Compare that with about 300 percent to China.”

Most of the wood is being cut from private timberland in the Pacific Northwest, where the timber industry has been struggling for years under environmental restrictions spawned by battles over the spotted owl and other endangered species.

Logs are loaded onto ships at the Port of Olympia creating dozens of jobs. Officials say timber exports to China through the Port of Tacoma are up 500 percent in the past decade.

The export explosion also has helped taxpayers in Washington state. The Department of Natural Resources manages some forest land for timber. Even though state and federal law prohibits logs coming off of public land from being exported, timber is a global commodity so the price for public timber also is going up.

“We’re seeing an increase of probably $60 million,” says Bryan Flint of Washington’s DNR. “That will go to school construction and to pay for colleges and go to counties.”

But not everyone is celebrating. With China opening its wallet, the price of timber not only stabilized, but actually went up. That means the price local mills pay for logs has skyrocketed. And yet, they’re not getting any more for their cut lumber because the housing starts remain anemic. It adds up to some mills cutting shifts and others shutting down.

“What sawmills are going to have to face now is how badly they want to continue to run,” says David Manke of Manke Lumber. “It’s not going to be profitable with the Chinese influence on raw materials.”

Comment by m2p
2011-07-07 09:22:20

The lumber mill about 2 miles form my house is chock full of logs. Haven’t seen it that busy since “05. Also seeing logging jobs advertised in the newspaper.

 
Comment by measton
2011-07-07 12:13:07

Most of this lumbar will be processed adn sent back to us as furniture.

Economic gain for timber, loss for furniture manufacturing in US.

 
 
Comment by ElectricSheep
2011-07-07 06:41:32

QE2 Winners and Losers: How the Fed’s Stimulus Maneuver Helped the Rich and Screwed the Poor

By Bethany McLean
Slate.com

“So here we are, just shy of a year later. If the Fed’s major goal was preventing deflation, then QE2 has succeeded (with the caveat that we don’t know what would have happened without QE2). One useful way to measure inflation, according to Nomura strategist Paul Sheard, is by the rate that the markets expect in five years. Bernanke said he was worried about any reading below 2 percent. The market-expected rate, which was down to 2.02 percent last August, has risen to 2.6 percent. Mission accomplished. Deflation was averted.

But there are some other things that happened during the past year:
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1) Stocks soared. From Bernanke’s speech through the end of June 2011, the Dow Jones Industrial Average increased almost 25 percent.

2) Speculative assets ranging from Chinese dotcoms to social networking start-ups went crazy.

3) Just as skeptics feared, commodities ranging from oil to silver to cotton to food have also seen dramatic increases in price. For instance, the Reuters/Jefferies CRB index, which is designed to track global commodities markets, is up more 25 percent since Bernanke announced QE2.”

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(I know none of this is new news, but it is interesting to hear the truth spigot start to drip, drip, drip its way down the journalistic gutter…)

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-07 07:04:04

And of course all i asked for was a $2-3000 pay down on one credit card so millions of people can stimulate the economy from the bottom up.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 08:38:22

Do you really think that the banksters are going to forgive a collective debt that probably generates an average of 20% annual interest for them, just to “stimulate” the economy? As combo has said, all that will happen is that money will end up in Asia.

You and half of of America might be hurting, but the banksters are doing just fine with that $400-600 interest you send their way every year.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 09:52:05

All our housing money is in cash, and it is criminal what interest has been paid on it. It should have been $10K a year minimum. Makes us sick.
We pay our CC’s in full every month. F’em.

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Comment by WT Economist
2011-07-07 07:20:00

Bernanke is a Republican. From his and their point of view, is this even a problem?

 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-07 18:30:18

Bethany McLean is no journalistic gutter. She was the first to ask “how did Enron make money?” and went on to help expose the entire scam.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 19:34:48

She was the first to ask “how did Enron make money?” and went on to help expose the entire scam.

The only part of Enron that consistently made money was its transmission pipeline operation. And that is what Enron (or whatever it was originally called) went into business to do.

 
 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2011-07-07 06:45:27

I don’t know if it has been mentioned but the latest Barron’s has an article predicting $150 oil by next year. Interestingly that was the same number and time frame that I predicted on this blog a few months ago. For those that still think oil, gold etc. are in a bubble, I thought of a new way to explain why they are not. It is impossible for something to be in a bubble when the PTB are trying to manipulate the price down. The Fed has indicated that there is “good” inflation and bad inflation. Good inflation is a rise in things like stocks and homes (some on this blog might disagree) and bad inflation is a rise in things like oil, gold and food. The government has no problem with the bubble in social media stocks which are priced for 50% growth for twenty years ( we will ignore what happened to Myspace and AOL). However, it constantly tries to drive down gold and oil. However, the markets are bigger than the the PTB and they just bounce up. If you play them like I do and cover your butt with covered calls on your shares from time to time, you can make the government’s tricks work for you.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-07 07:47:49

Two things: Taking the FED at what they say could be a mistake. Taking the Gold Bug Blogs claims that the FedGov is actively “driving down the price” of Gold and Oil, could be a mistake. Using the unfounded claims of partial talkers is not a sound basis for apology.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2011-07-07 12:26:03

Not sure I understand, entirely, the post. But I am not listening to only what the Fed/Gov says but their actions. Examples such as SPR release and pressuring the exchanges to raise margin requirements. Also, I have not blindly followed any of the blogs and have made my own determinations when to hedge my positions and it has worked out well and I often posted on this blog when I am bullish and when I am cautious. Finally, it is hardly a secret that fiat currency regimes are always going to try to suppress the price of anything that makes it harder for them to print money. Every tin pot dictator after printing too much money always blames speculators, hoarders etc. when inflation starts to take off and tries to suppress prices. But we have had experience with fiat based currency in this country over the centuries, think continentals and the currency of the confederacy and to a lesser extent greenbacks and it always ends the same, governments will print any currency until it is worthless unless the currency is backed by gold. Founding fathers understood that well. I don’t see any difference this time only the time frame is really a valid area of dispute. The outcome is ensured.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-07 10:59:20

That’s ok….i don’t drive much and there is 42 gallons in a barrel so that’s about $1.25 more a gallon then today

——–predicting $150 oil by next year.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2011-07-07 12:29:57

Fine, but the price of everything you buy will also be going up either due to increased transportation costs or because it is produced using oil or perhaps both. Just calculating the cost of gasoline does not take that in consideration nor does it take into account the impact it will have on the economy due to slower growth.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-07 13:19:00

Which we already have a pretty good example from a couple years ago.

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-08 06:27:57

You’re already paying for the high price of gas. Your rent is high because the LL knows you don’t need gas.

If I live a half-hour drive from work, it will cost me about 1200 a year in gas and $850 in parking to get to work. On the other hand, my house payments will cost about $6000 LESS than what I’m paying now in rent. Even at $1.50, driving is a bargain.

 
 
 
Comment by In Raleigh
2011-07-07 06:56:10

We’re about to start house hunting and want to know how to avoid a neighborhood that may go downhill in a few years. We’re already avoiding new construction because we figure a neighborhood that is at least 10 years old will be more stable. Any areas with unkempt lawns, etc are also off the list.

Here are some possibilities:

1. Buy a house for $140-155k in a middle middle class neighborhood and hope that since the prices are lower, fewer people will face the possibility of future foreclosure and house abandonment.

2. Buy a $160-179k house in a middle-upper middle class neighborhood where many, or most of the houses cost about $200k. Does a nicer neighborhood mean the residents are likely to be more or less financially stable than the neighborhoods mentioned in option 1?

All of these houses are about 25-30 minutes from Raleigh itself. RTP is a little farther away.

Comment by In Raleigh
2011-07-07 06:58:47

Let me add that either way, we will put at least 20% down. These houses are all at about 1x our income and we’d like to pay off the mortgage within 3-4 years. We also have a six month emergency fund.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-07-07 07:18:36

The Triangle is hard to estimate. In many older metro areas, neighborhoods closer to the center are doing better. In some, the blight at the center continues to spread outward.

The Triangle has no center.

What I would say is this. You have the value of the building, which depreciates, and the value of the place it is. What places have attributes that make them more valuable and are not likely to change? I’d probably try to move to a place where university professors live, near UNC and Duke.

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-07-07 08:55:01

Be sure and drive by at night and count the cars.

Comment by In Raleigh
2011-07-07 11:14:16

We went down one street that had generally nice houses but many of the houses had 3-4 cars. It was probably a Saturday afternoon. We wondered if the cars were for college kids home for the summer or if families were doubling up.

I assume that you’re suggesting too many cars is a bad sign.

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-07 12:41:32

My opinion is that if you see 5-6 cars per house it means multiple families living in one dwelling and you expectations of peace and quiet may be dashed.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 14:58:07

More then 5 is definitely a warning sign. There plenty of people on my street who have 3-4 cars without even needing adult children. We have 4, but have two driving children living at home (1 HS, 1 college commuter)

 
Comment by Robin
2011-07-07 23:33:26

Car count can represent the floor of a residential neighborhood like mine. More rentals than owned, or not, but more poor junior-college students willing to walk 15 minutes to save $79 per quarter in parking in our historic preservation district.

Are the cars visiting or residing - :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Sean
2011-07-07 10:03:22

Find a “land locked” neighborhood. If you have a big lake to the north, highway to the east, neighborhoods to the south and west, chances are they arent going to build there any time soon. Too many people move out of the way to get piece and quiet only to find a strip mall or bus depot being built.

Oh, and listen to your real estate agent! They have you best interest in mind, and its a GREAT time to buy! /scarcasm

 
Comment by Pete
2011-07-07 12:44:19

“We’re already avoiding new construction because we figure a neighborhood that is at least 10 years old will be more stable.”

I have read here that anything built during the boom (’03-’06) should
be avoided, as builders were cutting corners all over the place, as they couldn’t put the things up fast enough.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 17:25:17

The 1970s and early 1980s as well.

Comment by Pete
2011-07-07 17:47:19

True–I don’t know about how well they were built, but the codes builders had to abide by became alot stricter by the early ’90s.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 17:23:44

You want to look at not JUST the neighborhood you want to live in, but the surround areas AT LEAST out to 2 miles as well and then research the history of that area as well.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 07:01:04

Global ‘train wreck’ coming
Peter Martin ~ smh.au

THE global economy is facing ”a slow-motion train wreck” with Greece only the first nation to be hit, Reserve Bank director Warwick McKibbin has told a Melbourne conference.

Referring to the most recent global economic crisis as a mere ”blip”, he said the coming crisis could undo the mining boom and bring on inflation of the kind not seen since the 1970s.

Professor McKibbin told the Melbourne Institute conference dozens of European countries now had gross government debts on track to exceed 60 per cent of GDP. ”Japan is forecast to be 200 per cent of GDP, the US is forecast to be over 100 per cent of GDP,” he said.
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”At zero interest rates that can be sustained, but at 5 per cent interest rates countries have to put aside 5 per cent of their GDP every year just to service the debt. That is not sustainable.

”Already consumers aren’t spending and investors aren’t spending because of the tax increases that are in prospect.

”Greece, Portugal and Ireland don’t just need to have their debts written off, they need to have a 30 per cent to 40 per cent depreciation of their real exchange rate,” he told the conference.

”There are two ways to do that, either pull out of the euro and depreciate by 40 per cent, or have deflation of 40 per cent over the next 12 months.

”I do not believe any society can survive having a 40 per cent deflation that’s been imposed by the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank.”

As the US created more dollars to inflate away its debt repayment obligations, countries that are linked to the dollar, including China, India and parts of Latin America, would suffer 1970s-style inflation.

”In India inflation is 9 per cent, in China it is 6 per cent. That inflation is pushing up resource prices for now, but it will have to be brought under control with much higher interest rates,” he said.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 08:33:04

Global ‘train wreck’ coming

Tell us something we don’t know.

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-07-07 09:24:37

Is another European war coming soon?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 11:53:41

”In India inflation is 9 per cent, in China it is 6 per cent. That inflation is pushing up resource prices for now

$torage!, $torage!, $torage! :-)

 
Comment by measton
2011-07-07 12:33:17

I’ll only quible with this statement

Already consumers aren’t spending and investors aren’t spending because of the tax increases that are in prospect.

consumers aren’t spending because they have no money or are worried they won’t have a job soon.
Investors aren’t spending because they know there is no demand.

This tax BS is trotted out again and again.

Someone posted an article about a town hall meeting where the candidate was saying they were going to stimulate the economy with tax cuts for small business and a small business man stood up and said I don’t need a tax cut mam I need customers.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 13:12:19

Someone posted an article about a town hall meeting where the candidate was saying they were going to stimulate the economy with tax cuts for small business and a small business man stood up and said I don’t need a tax cut mam I need customers.

And here in Tucson, I went to a small business seminar hosted by Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. That was early last year, and most of the info presented was about obtaining Small Business Administration loans.

Well, some of those present were very interested in getting SBA loans. However, there was a fellow who shouted “I don’t need a loan, I need customers!”

His sentiment was shared by quite a few other people.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 07:02:31

DOW 13,000 on the way!

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-07 08:24:37

Whoohoo! Too bad all I have is this poor useless Dow 10,000 hat.

Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 09:05:38

Oh I think that hat will be back in vogue sooner than many think.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-07 09:43:29

Geez I hope so. I’m *still* out since 14k.

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Comment by Robin
2011-07-07 23:39:54

I’ll call 14,960 top and a drop to 14,260 within a month because Mr. Jones allows such prognostications!

What and when I will sell will cost you - :)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 07:39:25

Calif. Moms Accused of Using PTA in Ponzi Scheme
Associated Press

LOS ANGELES – Three former PTA mothers used their connection with a suburban elementary school to recruit investors in a phony $14 million get-rich-quick scheme, authorities said Wednesday.

The alleged Ponzi-style scam lasted more than two years before an irate investor filed a complaint last year, sparking an investigation that led to the arrests Tuesday of three women, said Lt. Steve Katz of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

The alleged swindle started in 2008 when the women told fellow PTA members they had the exclusive right to sell products from a well-known local dairy to Disneyland, Disney hotels and other small retailers.

They said they needed capital to expand the business and promised returns of up to 100 percent, adding that even if there was no profit, investors would get their money back, Katz said.

“It was billed as no way to lose,” he said.

Investments, which had to be made in cash, ranged from $5,000 to $208,000. The 40 investors dipped into their life savings, maxed out their credit cards and took out second mortgages on their homes to come up with the money, Katz said.

Maricela Barajas, 41, and Juliana Menefee, 50, both of Diamond Bar, were arrested on 22 felony charges, including grand theft and securities fraud. The third woman, Eva Perez, was already behind bars, serving a nearly 10-year sentence on grand theft charges related to a similar swindle in neighboring San Bernardino County.

Calls to the homes of Barajas and Menefee, who were being held on $500,000 bail, were not immediately returned. Their arraignment scheduled for Thursday was continued until Aug. 4.

The women belonged to the PTA at the Neil Armstrong Elementary School in Diamond Bar until school leaders became aware of the complaints and ended their membership, Katz said.

The fact that they were PTA members was key in leading the investors to trust the women and to recruit their own acquaintances as far away as Salt Lake City, he said.

School Principal Cynthia Sanchez did not return a phone call for comment Wednesday.

A spokeswoman for the Pomona Unified School District said the district was unaware of the investigation until the sheriff’s department announced the arrests. No PTA funds were involved in the fraud, Gabriela De La Cruz said.

Shortly after the scheme started, Perez was arrested in San Bernardino County on 28 charges of grand theft and one charge of writing a check on insufficient funds. In December 2010, she pleaded guilty to 10 of the charges and was sentenced to nine years and eight months in prison and ordered to pay $151,600 to 33 victims, according to court records.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-07 08:19:22

That’s rich! Here’s the link. Hafta send it to my former (non-Ponzi scheming) PTA president wife…

P.S. There was a former board member, whom my wife managed to block from participating during her tenure as president, in part due to suspicions about disappearing funds and goods…

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 11:44:18

The alleged swindle started in 2008 when the women told fellow PTA members they had the exclusive right to sell products from a well-known local dairy to Disneyland, Disney hotels and other small retailers.

They said they needed capital to expand the business and promised returns of up to 100 percent, adding that even if there was no profit, investors would get their money back, Katz said.

“It was billed as no way to lose,” he said.

Warning flags flapping all over this one. Why wouldn’t Disney buy directly from an established company, rather than one that was “operated” by the PTA ladies?

Ditto for the “no lose” labeling. That one really gets my warning flags flapping.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 17:29:45

Like I said, there was so MUCH fraud of mind boggling amounts going on over the last decade…

And people say Chindia is corrupt. :roll:

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 08:57:05

Just got back from Lowe’s, huge mark downs. I am redoing a bath room, couldn’t stand looking at the 70’s anymore. The glass floor tile I had my eye on was down from $5.98 a sq.ft. to $1.99 but at the register it came up as .99 cents! Same with light fixtures, toilets, thin-set, grout etc. Anywhere from 40 to 70% off.

So this redo is costing a whole lot less than I had thought. I do all the labor so the total is going to be around $300.00 in materials and fixtures, not bad at all.

Also the slate I plan to use in a hallway is down from $3.89 a sq.ft. to $1.49.

Not many people were there shopping but they had an over abundance of sales folks running around.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 11:45:21

Not many people were there shopping but they had an over abundance of sales folks running around.

I’ve been noticing the same thing in Tucson’s Lowes and Home Depot stores since 2006.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 13:17:22

Same out here. The only time it is remotely non-deserte dis the weekend, and I’ve noticed that its people just buying small stuff, like a bag of fertilizer or a garden hose.

 
Comment by Robin
2011-07-07 23:41:01

Same in OC, CA!

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 17:34:54

Sweet! That’s the way to do it, wmbz!

I’ll bet it looks like a $3000 remodel when you’re done!

Good for you!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 09:02:45

Local Woman Envisions Mobile Breastfeeding Truck

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — A local artist and teacher at Carnegie Mellon University has come up with an idea to support mothers who are harassed for nursing in public.

Jill Miller envisions something she calls “The Milk Truck.” She wants to buy an ice cream truck and outfit it with a giant breast on the roof.

When a woman is made to feel uncomfortable or told to leave a public place for breastfeeding, she could contact “The Milk Truck.” The truck would respond and park in front of the restaurant or other establishment, along with followers of the program through Twitter and Facebook.

Project manager Tara McElfresh says they will lay down a rug, set up chairs under an awning on the side of the truck, and if the mother still needs to, she can nurse outside in an environment of support.

McElfresh says she’s heard stories of women who have encountered problems breastfeeding in public in Pittsburgh, including a woman who says she was told to leave a restaurant in Squirrel Hill.

Miller is trying to raise $10,000 to make the project a reality through pledges at a site called Kickstarter.com. She’s already raised $4,300 and gotten responses from around the world.

Once completed, the truck is scheduled to be part of an exhibit starting in September at the Andy Warhol Museum.

McElfresh says the truck will also make appearances at events.

Miller says the truck is supposed to be an attention-grabber when it responds to a call for help.

“Thought the nursing mother created a spectacle? Meet ‘The Milk Truck!’” she said.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-07 10:51:32

Like Ford, I’ve got a better Idea….

“The F##k Truck…….for those times when it just can’t wait”

Take the same work/delivery van, paint it in some generic color, modify it with a bed, “accessories”, and a suspension that won’t have the van rocking back and forth when there is “activity” in the back. Get a 1-800 number.

The plan……clients call in for an appointment. Driver delivers the van to the location, and goes out for lunch/cup of coffee. Client uses the vehicle for important meetings. When done, client calls the 800 number. Driver picks up the van, returns to HQ, where the van is cleaned/prepped for next appointment.

No reason it has to be used exclusively by couples. Sometimes, guys just need a little “me” time….

Bill on Visa card shows up as “Business Catering Services”, or something like that.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-07-07 11:40:41

What’s a 49% equity stake in your startup going to cost me? :-)

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 11:46:47

And I propose that X-GSfixr’s truck set up shop next to the Milk Truck. Wouldn’t that be a fun juxtaposition?

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-07 12:43:27

Ha!

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-07 15:40:04

Better yet. Put a webcam in the Milk truck.

Run the streaming vid into my truck.

Synergy, baby…… :)

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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-07 15:42:12

I almost made a reply earlier about finding your local Heidi Fleiss and getting some business synergy going…but then I didn’t. But now I did :-).

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 17:46:11

You, my friend, are a genius!

 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-07 09:16:33

Realtors Are Liars

Comment by FB wants a do over
2011-07-07 09:42:35

Liars are Realtors

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 10:42:40

Politicians are scumbags.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 09:33:22

An interesting story I saw yesterday regarding Japan’s salarymen:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/japans-salarymen-learn-to-save-06302011.html

Apparently household savings in Japan are down and salarymen are having to cut back. They too are enjoying the wonders of stagnant wages and a rising cost of living.

Comment by cactus
2011-07-07 12:51:50

“This makes me a little sad,” says Hiroshi Miyazaki, chief economist at Shinkin Asset Management in Tokyo. “It’s a result of a very long period of deflation. Unfortunately, this trend’s going to continue.”

deflation again ??

well it’s different here we don’t keep zombie banks alive like the foolish japanese did right…. ?

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 17:47:12

Right!

Oh wait…

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 09:37:56

Boil, boil, toil & trouble…”MUrDoch’s “True Chupacabra™”

“…The scandal is taking a toll on News Corp., with stock prices falling and new questions about Mr. Murdoch’s proposed $12 billion takeover of the pay-television company British Sky Broadcasting. Many legislators criticized the deal on Wednesday,…”

heheeeheeeheehaahaaahaaheeehaahaaa… (Hwy50™) :-)

Murdoch to Close Tabloid Amid Fury Over Hacking:
By SARAH LYALL and ALAN COWELL /Published: July 7, 2011

Prime Minister David Cameron, whose Conservative Party benefits from Mr. Murdoch’s support, has not yet called for an immediate investigation into behavior by The News of the World and other tabloids. Such an inquiry would have to wait, he said, until the police had concluded their own criminal investigation.

LONDON — The weekly tabloid newspaper at the center of the British phone hacking scandal is to be closed after a final, ad-free Sunday edition this weekend.

The abrupt announcement on Thursday from a top official at the paper’s parent company, James Murdoch, underscored the devastating effect of allegations that the paper’s journalists invaded the voicemail accounts not only of a 13-year-old murder victim but also the relatives of fallen soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

News of the World during the Dowler case. On Wednesday, a Labour member of Parliament made another startling assertion: that while Ms. Brooks was the News of the World editor, she was confronted with evidence that the paper was using unlawful means to interrupt a murder investigation whose two main suspects had ties to the paper.

The member, Tom Watson, said that senior Scotland Yard officials met with Ms. Brooks in 2002 to alert her of evidence that members of her staff were “guilty of interference and party to using unlawful means to attempt to discredit a police officer and his wife,” so that the officer would be unable to complete a murder investigation. Mr. Watson said the police officials named a senior News of the World executive, Alex Muranchak.

On Thursday, The Guardian reported that Mr. Muranchak had apparently agreed to allow the two murder suspects in the case to use photographers and vans leased to the paper to spy on Detective Chief Superintendent David Cook, the lead detective.

The two men, private investigators named Jonathan Rees and Sid Fillery, were suspected of murdering their former partner, Daniel Morgan, who had been killed 15 years earlier. Their targeting of Mr. Cook included following him, his wife, and their children, trying to access his and his wife’s voice mail and obtaining personal details about him from police databases.

Comment by cactus
2011-07-07 12:53:26

Murdoch I think that guy lives around here were I work

lake Sherwood which at one time anyone could get to until they gated the thing

Maybe they will gate all of Thousand Oaks someday ?

Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 14:55:30

cactus
Don’t even put that thought of gating T.O. out there. This place is crawling with a massive number of illegals. It’s the SFV circa 1983, just at the cusp of the 3rd world transformation. We don’t even shop at the Oaks Mall anymore.
Lake Sherwood has some nice estates, that’s for sure. We can only afford a tool shed there. I wish we had the nerve to take the risk most of those folks took. We’re wimps.

My gf worked for Dole. That Ca Longevity Center is a joke, imho. I did it for under $100- at Borders, some time, and commitment. I didn’t need the food police, a massage, and some BS seminars. I don’t have enough money to waste, I guess. (btw, my gf is still fat after all the seminars, food police, and company mindset crap. I’m a size 2 /$100 and effort/7 years now!)

Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 15:08:20

Murdoch did live in Lake Sherwood at one time. I’m not sure about now. He looks fantastic for a man of his advanced years. I guess if I owned Dole, was partners in the Longevity Center, and had his life, I would have less worries, and could really take care of myself. Nice guy, I’ve heard.

The former owner of Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays, Ed Hogan, lives around these parts too. He’s a gem. I’ve met him. I would never book a vacation through them again, but I like Ed.

We have a lot of celebs around this area. I think you were gone when Martin Lawrence (Big Mama’s House fame) was jogging in the heat, and passed out. He was getting in shape for a movie. Not to worry, Los Robles Hospital fixed him all up. The Selleck (as in Tom) family owns the Borders Ctr in Simi.
This area is changing and not for the better, imho.

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Comment by BKKObserver
2011-07-07 18:22:13

The News of the World was a Sunday only newspaper. They’re going to close News of the World but someone has already reserved the domain name for Sun on Sunday (the Sun is currently a 6 day a week Murdoch paper), so they’re simply going to make the Sun a 7 day newspaper. Probably works out for them well from a financial perspective in the long run. The Sun’s no better.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-07 09:57:59

Does anyone besides me find Zestimates to appear upwardly biased during a period of falling prices? Here is an example: This home shows up in our local paper (Rancho Bernardo & 4S Ranch News Journal) with a Notice of Trustee’s Sale; seems the current owner is in default to the tune of $969,229.00.

I looked up the Zestimate™ to find the home was supposedly worth $947K as of May 1, 2011. But then how come NONE OF the recent comps of very similar description sold for more than $875K?

Something about these Zestimates™ doesn’t smell right.

15636 Oakstand Rd
Poway, CA 92064
For Sale: $995,000
Zestimate®: $949,000
Mortgage payment:
$5,132/mo
Bedrooms: 4
Bathrooms: 3.5
Sqft: 3,450
Lot size: 43,560 sq ft / 1.00 acres
Property type: Single Family
Year built: 1989
Days on Zillow: 167
Last sold: July 07 2008
MLS number: 110003968

RECENT COMPS:

15460 Willow Ranch Trl, Poway, CA 92064
Sold on 05/31/2011: $813,000
Beds: 4
Sqft: 2904
Built: 1989
Baths: 3.0
Lot: 52272

15327 Ridgeview Pl, Poway, CA 92064
Sold on 03/15/2011: $875,000
Beds: 4
Sqft: 3527
Built: 1987
Baths: 3.0
Lot: 43995

13961 Umbria Way, Poway, CA 92064
Sold on 03/14/2011: $830,000
Beds: 5
Sqft: 3455
Built: 1999
Baths: 3.0
Lot: 46609

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 12:04:36

Geez, 1 acre lot$… ;-)

Things could be worse Mr. Bear:

15 Napier Ln., San Francisco, CA
For Sale: $1,199,000
Square Footage: 550

Sizing Up Pocket-Sized Houses:
By Erika Riggs, Zillow /July 4, 2011

A 550-sq. ft. San Francisco home.
Photo: Zillow

Own a piece of San Francisco history by purchasing this home in the Telegraph Hill neighborhood. Built around 1884, this home is one of the few Telegraph Hill homes that survived the 1906 earthquake and fire. The two-story cottage was remodeled in 2002 and 2003. The 2-bedroom, 2-bath home has partial views of the bay and an open floor plan that makes it feel more spacious than its 550 square feet.

2702 N. Ardmore Ave., Manhattan Beach, CA
For Sale: $685,000
Square Footage: 498

A 498-sq. ft. Manhattan Beach, CA home.
Photo: Zillow

Listed on the prestigious Manhattan Beach real estate market, this 2-bedroom, 1-bath home has been completely updated since its construction in 1954. The 498-square-foot cottage has a slate fireplace and brand new kitchen and bath. The house includes a breakfast nook, extra room, and gated front yard.

 
Comment by cactus
2011-07-07 13:01:15

Poway is special no other place I ever lived had old ( like 80 )white people fighting with younger asians and hispanics for free Ice Cream Samples at Costco

At Westlake Costco the old folks ignore the free samples.

my conclusion, Westlake village old people don’t like ice cream or are many times wealthier than Poway old folks and aren’t starving

And the 2 hispanics at Westlake Village Costco get all the free samples they want.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 13:15:27

I never understood why Poway is supposed to be so special.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 15:15:20

cactus
I remember the hell Costco went through to build that Westlake Village store. I use to work for the Janss family, and went to all the City Planning Meeting back then. I use to have bragging rites to the Janss Steps at UCLA. Once that family was at the top. Huge landowners and developers in So Ca in their heyday. Larry Janss is the most decent of all the family.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 15:33:50

It’s “rights” sorry. The other pertains to a religious ceremonial act or action.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 17:49:21

Either word worked for me. :lol:

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 19:07:03

Thank you Kim and Hprenter.

ecofeco - You’re a doll. But I need to feel the shame, correct my mistakes, and move on. I won’t beat myself for that minor error, when I can spend time on the whopper mistakes. LOL

Why doesn’t life come with a manual?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 19:25:05

Life does come with a manual. Unfortunately, it’s written in some ancient dead language in invisible ink. :lol:

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 10:22:08

Consumers doing their job…

Jobs reports push stocks higher; Retailers rise
Stocks rise after claims for unemployment benefits dip and private hiring picks up

NEW YORK (AP) — Better news on jobs drove stocks higher Thursday. Target, Gap and other large retailers jumped after reporting stronger sales.

The government reported that the number of people who made first-time claims for unemployment benefits dropped to 418,000 last week, the lowest level in seven weeks. That’s a sign that employers are laying off fewer workers.

Separately, payroll processor Automatic Data Processing said companies added 157,000 employees in June. The bulk of the hiring came from small businesses. The tally is more than double the number economists had forecast and far more than the 36,000 added the previous month.

Warm weather and deep discounts resulted in the best June sales figures for U.S. retailers since 1999. Kohl’s Corp. rose 6.6 percent, the most of any stock in the S&P 500 index. Target Corp. was close behind with a gain of 6.4 percent. Both reported strong sales for June.

Investors have been concerned that high gas prices would constrain consumer spending as people made fewer shopping trips and looked for ways to save money. The higher sales figures reassured markets that consumers were becoming more willing to spend again.

“The closest thing to an unadulterated barometer of our progress is same-store sales,” said Jack Ablin, chief investment officer at Harris Private Bank in Chicago “Everything is tied to it: Sales drives profits, profits drive hiring and hiring drives sales. It’s a neat, virtuous circle.”

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-07 10:55:06

Upbeat headline.

“Titanic not sinking as fast as it was……Dow up 500″

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 12:00:04

“Consumers doing their job…”

Yup, they’re buying Chinese made goods at big box stores with money borrowed from the Chinese!

USA! USA! USA!

Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 15:22:36

I agree In Colorado. Not that we have a choice at this point. I didn’t fly my Chinese American Flag this 4th. Next year, I’m buying one made here. Enough is enough.

At my pseudo “health & hip” store for produce and gluten-free foods (allergy), the frozen veggies came from China. The management didn’t appreciate my big mouth. I got the shoppers to read the labels more carefully.

Comment by Kim
2011-07-07 16:52:09

“I didn’t fly my Chinese American Flag this 4th. Next year, I’m buying one made here. Enough is enough.”

Wow, I just Googled “flags made in USA” and was actually able to find a couple. Shocker!!! A couple of years ago I was only able to find them made in China or in Canada (I went with Canada).

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Comment by Hprenter
2011-07-07 18:02:19

Please get your flags from:

http://www.capitolflags.gov/ordering/

I am only loosely affiliated with the organization. I pay taxes and vote.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 20:31:16

IDK,…Tanks Hprenter! ;-)

Today, under the leadership of Stephen T. Ayers, Architect of the Capitol, the 2,600 employees of the AOC serve in diverse roles applying both modern techniques and historical tradecrafts in the care and preservation of the Capitol Campus.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 17:53:41

Retailers rise - Say what? That’s not what the other reports are saying nor the word I’m hearing from local business owners. Malls full of teenagers? No news there.

Stocks rise after claims for unemployment benefits dip - Not readjusted yet. Next!

Private hiring picks up - Part time summer jobs. This is news?

 
 
Comment by ROBOT
2011-07-07 10:25:21

The Cost Of Owning 150,000 Foreclosed Homes

When you are the nation’s largest owner of foreclosed homes, even little things can get expensive fast. Such is the case for mortgage giant Fannie Mae, which as of March 31 had a mind-boggling 153,000 foreclosed homes on its books.

One example — mowing the lawn. Two men swoop in on a foreclosed town house in Lanham, Md., quickly mowing and edging the small front yard. Fannie Mae owns this home, so it’s paying for the lawn crew to come every two weeks or so to keep up the curb appeal.
http://www.npr.org/2011/07/07/137647997/the-cost-of-owning-150-000-foreclosed-homes

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 11:48:38

Hmmm, that reminds me. I need to put in a code violation report about a nearby property. Place is looking scruffy, and both of the houses have been unoccupied for the better part of this year.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 12:19:01

So who owns the mllions of other foreclosures? I was under the impression that Freddy and Fanny owned the lion’s share of mortgages.

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 23:54:46

Take a look at the LPS Mortgage Monitor. I do t think they breakout ownership of bad debt, but they do show foreclosure rates for the different holders.

 
 
 
Comment by Kim
2011-07-07 10:26:51

I’m back! Was visiting relatives, who have finally stopped telling us we are missing out by not buying a house now.

An update on the lot we’re trying to buy…

Apparently the bank that owned the note failed, so the FDIC gave its assets to another bank. That (recipient) bank seems open to a deal but the FDIC has a say and isn’t budging (sounds like they’re backstopping the losses). They claim to have an appraisal that shows the lot is worth 14% higher than the identically-sized adjacent lot went for this past January. We’ve asked for a copy of the appraisal, both to determine how old it is and what comps were actually used. Another larger lot (not in the neighborhood, but not far away) very recently went under contract after asking 10% below that neighboring lot.

So we made a counter, listed the newer comps the appraisal would compare to if it were to be done “today” (or in the future for that matter), and argued that one can’t find a better comp than an identically-sized, similarly-featured adjoining lot. Either they listen or they don’t, but we’ve laid out our “best and final” and I’ll keep the HBB posted.

As I said before, I’m not entirely hot on the idea of building, so I could take it or leave it.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 12:29:48

Kim
Thanks for the update. Interesting.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 15:37:18

Kim
I contacted;
CoreLogic
Lenders Processing Service (LPS Analytics)
Fannie Mae (regional office)
and a host of other firms to see what is lurking in the shadow and default inventory. Hey, all they can say is who is this crazy woman, and tell me to get lost.

Comment by Kim
2011-07-07 16:47:07

I believe it. Some HBBers have reported looking into trying to purchase shadow inventory, and come across the same dead end.

FWIW this lot has been on the market almost 500 days. Now I know why.

Got a copy of the appraisal this afternoon. It was dated from last fall. The appraisor was based an hour away, but did a decent job. He noted the market was bad, and noted that his comps were, in some cases, older than what should be used (1+ years, due to lack of comparables). Its just that time has passed and now there are two better comps not included in his original report.

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-07 19:31:45

Kim- I read your reply. Thank you. CoreLogic has some analytics they want to sell me. I’m connecting on July 8th with the Rep. I’ll report back how much and what he had to say.

I haven’t heard back from others. It’s too early. I just mailed out my snail mail letters. They can’t eat me, so what the hell.

When Zillow changed their algorithms to reflect more of reality, it pissed everyone off but future buyers. Boo hoo.

We just passed on a short sale with a pool/spa combo that was an A+. The house was fugly, and needed $60K-$80K inside. It was priced at $399,900. In our heads, our max was $340,000. Some idiot bought this major fixer. Nice yard, but what a money pit. We’ll see if it closes.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 19:37:39

Some idiot bought this major fixer. Nice yard, but what a money pit. We’ll see if it closes.

If it does close, keep an eye on it. Methinks that the new owner will quickly realize the mistake that he/she made. And the house will be back on the market in a year or so.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 11:00:49

Job$! Job$! Job$!…the “TrueCorp.Inc.Exodu$toLow-WageState$™” is on $chedule and “un$topable!” ;-)

Reduce Corporate Inc. taxe$ Now! Hurry, it pain$ them,..they’re $uffering $o!

To $peed this inevitable Corporate Inc. Freight Train on down the tracks:

(Hwy suggests that all Corporation Inc.’$ be given free buildings/facilities paid by State/County/City tax money + the ability to pay all workers $7.50 hourly with 50% employee paid crap-health-insurance + have every worker after 5 years of meaningle$$ cpi salary raises, cross-train their replacements. Oh, and to ease the Inc.’$ Agonie$, give them a 15 year $0.00 tax holiday.)

I know this is really a radical propo$ition. I have no clue where these whacked-out idea$ take root. Moreover, the Inc.$ still would find $omething to cry-pi$$-&-moan about regarding their oppressed “bidnesse$”

“These are significant increases, but the job-cut totals are still low enough to prevent alarm bells from sounding,” said John A. Challenger, chief executive of the outplacement firm. “However, the fact that job cuts are rising in these particular industries is notable, since aerospace, financial services and industrial goods are all bellwether industries when it comes to the overall health of the economy.”

Challenger noted the country lost 8.7 million jobs during this recession compared to 2.7 million in the downturn in 2001-02. It took 40 months for the country to return to its pre-2001 employment levels following the earlier recession. Challenger expects an even longer slog for this recovery.

“While the government attempts to enact policies that will spur job creation, it really comes down to consumer and business demand for products and services and, right now, that demand remains relatively weak,” he said.

U.S. aerospace layoffs more than triple:
July 7th, 2011, by Mary Ann Milbourn / OC Register

Besides aerospace, dark clouds still hang over the financial services sector, which increased downsizing by 18.5% to 11,734, up from 9,901 in the first six months of 2010. Job cuts in the industrial goods sector are approaching 11,000, 28% higher than a year ago.

The downsizing, prompted by cutbacks in defense and government contracts, jumped from 6,121 in the first six months of 2010 to 20,851 this year, based on planned layoffs announced by major employers.

Orange County has seen its share of layoffs as a result of the aerospace restructuring.

The Boeing Co. announced in June that 100 space shuttle workers in Huntington Beach will be out of jobs Aug. 5, assuming the last shuttle mission, scheduled to launch Friday, gets off as planned.

Up to 160 jobs at Boeing’s A160T helicopter plant in Irvine are being transferred or eliminated this year with the work being consolidated at the company’s Mesa, Ariz. facility.

Those cuts were in addition to the nearly 1,000 local Boeing jobs eliminated last year and don’t include layoffs by suppliers, vendors and other smaller companies that don’t announce their downsizings or closures.

Although Boeing is cutting on the defense and government side, spokeswoman Paula Shawa said the company expects to add workers company wide this year because of demand for its commercial aircraft. Those jobs, however, will be in Washington and South Carolina, not in California.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 18:01:36

787 late on delivery. VERY late. By years. (hows that lobar cost cutting working for ya?)

Shuttle program over and NOTHING to replace it (although Boeing is working on a private spacecraft, but again, are years behind what others are already doing)

Air refueling tanker contract way behind schedule (it took Boeing almost 2 years to re-rig the bidding in their favor)

F-22, F-35 and C-117 contracts all slashed by 50% over the last 3 years.

Light infantry ground support aircraft also behind schedule (frikking prop planes for cryin’ out loud! How hard is this to get funding for?)

The bright spot is ROVs.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 19:39:39

787 late on delivery. VERY late. By years. (hows that lobar cost cutting working for ya?)

It isn’t working well at all. Last I heard, the 787 was way, way, WAY over budget.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 11:24:36

Who i$ it that’s wants to…reduce…the Pain$ & Agonie$ for MegaCorporation Inc’s? Who is Yelling/$creaming/Hollering for eliminating the $7.50 minimum peon-worker hourly wages? Who is promoting to all Americans the “TruePathtoWealthie$PersonalPro$perity™” Who?

The latest revelation in this story is that Goldenman$achs Inc., enemy of the common man and vampire squid atop a cowering nation, imbibed itself on a $15 billion life line - the single biggest gulp of them all — and of course, courtesy of Saint Omo, the Fed and therefore, us taxpayers. ;-)

Goldman Sachs Got a $15B Loan and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt:
By Matt Nesto / Yahoo| Breakout

Saint Omo stands for the far less fun Short Term Open Market Operations, which was a lending entity dreamed up in the throws of the financial crisis, when Hank Paulson, Tim Geithner, and Ben Bernanke were secretly bailing out a fleet of sinking ships as fast as they possibly could, and in ways and amounts never seen before.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 11:42:25

The MegaInc.$,…they’re $uffering $o! Hurry! reduce/eliminate their taxe$, hurry,… Agonie$ & Pain$, help ‘em. ;-)

Of the roughly $90 billion of profits repatriated in 2004, Pfizer was by far the biggest beneficiary, saving $11 billion in taxes, Johnston recalls. “They started destroying jobs the day they brought it back” and have cut 40,000 U.S. jobs in the ensuing years.

Aaron Task is the host of The Daily Ticker / Yahoo:

There’s a good chance any “grand bargain” on the deficit will include a one-time tax holiday to allow U.S.-based corporations to repatriate overseas profits, estimated at more than $1 trillion. The issue has been out of the headlines lately but has the support of a host of Fortune 500 companies, including Apple, Cisco, Duke Energy and Oracle, as well as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

Taxing the System

The “fundamental problem” with a tax holiday is that it sends a message to corporations to “‘keep more profits offshore and then you can bring ‘em back and pay virtually no tax,’” Johnston says.

Furthermore, there’s no good way to ensure that a tax holiday will lead to job creation, he says, citing the last time this was tried — via the 2004 Jobs Creation Act — as evidence of the folly of tax holidays.

Meanwhile, tax holidays on overseas assets do nothing for purely domestic-focused companies, which tend to be smaller and family owned, Johnston notes.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-07 12:46:32

Now my idea of repatriate all your profits tax free… IF you spend it in America on Americans, no H1B or people on visas, no stock buybacks or dividend increases….Nope the money must be spent here or its back to the 35% tax.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 18:06:12

Dateline Sept 2010

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68R40I20100928

Republicans block ending offshore jobs tax breaks | Reuters

Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic bill on Tuesday to end tax deductions enjoyed by companies that close their U.S. plants and move overseas…

…which would also give employers a tax break to hire new U.S. workers.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 11:33:32

So any guesses where this family made their 1st mi$take? ;-)

Family fights government over rare ‘Double Eagle’ gold coins:
By Zachary Roth | The Lookout

The rare coins, first struck in 1850, show a flying eagle on one side and a figure representing liberty on the other. One such coin recently sold at auction for $7.6 million, meaning the Langbords’ trove could be worth as much as $80 million.

The coins are part of a batch that were struck but then melted down after President Roosevelt took the country off the gold standard in 1933, during the Great Depression. Two were given to the Smithsonian Institute, but a few more mysteriously escaped.

Philadelphian Joan Langbord and her sons say they found the 10 coins in 2003 in a bank deposit box kept by Langbord’s father, Israel Switt, a jeweler who died in 1990. But when they tried to have the haul authenticated by the U.S. Treasury, the feds, um, flipped.

They said the coins were stolen from the U.S. Mint back in 1933, and are the government’s property. The Treasury Department seized the coins, and locked them away at Fort Knox

The government has long believed that Switt schemed with a corrupt cashier at the Mint to swipe the coins. They note that the deposit box in which the coins were found was rented six years after Switt’s death, and that the family never paid inheritance tax on the coins.

A lawyer for the Langbords counters that the coins could have left the Mint legally since it was permissible to swap gold coins for gold bullion.

Authorities in the Roosevelt era twice looked into Switt’s coin dealings, including his possession of Double Eagle coins. In 1944, Switt’s license to deal scrap gold was revoked.

The battle over the Double Eagles is hardly the only recent coin contretemps. Two British metal-detecting enthusiasts are said to be locked in a bitter dispute over how to divide the profits from a horde of Iron Age gold coins that they unearthed together in eastern England in 2008.

And an 80-year-old California man was jailed in 2009 after allegedly hitting another man in the head with a metal pipe and firing a gun at a third man during a dispute over missing gold coins.

Some coin disputes involve more than wrangling over valuable collectors’ items. In 2007, Secret Service and FBI agents raided an Indiana company called Liberty Dollar, in a bid to stamp out illegal currency. The firm was making “Ron Paul Silver Dollars,” in honor of Rep. Ron Paul, whose presidential campaign advocates bringing back the gold standard.

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-07 12:49:45

They should have taken it to Rick on Pawn Stars. Beeping have called in an expert to authenticate it and paid them ca$h.

 
Comment by Kim
2011-07-07 13:05:22

“So any guesses where this family made their 1st mi$take?”

Not selling them overseas?

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 13:49:14

“But when they tried to have the haul authenticated by the U.S. Treasury, the feds, um, flipped”.

Morons! Took the coins to the gubmint, they deserve what they get for being fools.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 17:41:32

I amazed the bank didn’t steal them!

(there have been a large number of banks seizing safety deposit boxes or taking money from “dormant”** accounts over the last decade)

**meaning, whatever they decide is “dormant.” Had it happen to me.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 11:34:37

Yo gubmint at work…

Gov’t to ease foreclosure rules for unemployed
Government will let unemployed homeowners with FHA-backed loans miss payments for a full year.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration is making it easier for out-of-work homeowners to stay in their homes, as it tries to revamp its troubled foreclosure-prevention program.

Starting Aug. 1, the Federal Housing Administration will extend the period for unemployed homeowners to miss mortgage payments to a full year from three or four months. That will allow qualified homeowners to go without making a monthly payment for 12 months before the foreclosure process begins.

The extended grace period only applies to FHA-backed loans, which are usually given to low- and middle-income borrowers and represent about 14 percent of all active mortgages and roughly 25 percent of new mortgages, and homeowners in the government’s foreclosure-prevention program. About 10,000 homeowners in the foreclosure program and 3,500 FHA-backed homeowners per month would be eligible, officials said.

Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan said Thursday that administration officials hope private lenders and government-controlled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which back 90 percent of all new mortgages, will adopt a similar policy.

“Our hope is that this will have broader effects,” Donovan said during a conference call.

 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-07-07 11:42:32

From abc news linked off google news main page:

America Keeps Getting Fatter

A new report from Trust for America’s Health found that not one state has reported a decrease in obesity. In fact, adult obesity rates have increased in 16 states in the past year.

Twenty years ago, no state had an obesity rate higher than 15 percent. Now, only Colorado is below 20 percent.

In other words, Colorado, which today is the state with the lowest obesity rate :) :) :) would have had the highest in 1995.

Southern states have the highest rate of obesity, and Mississippi tops the nation’s list as largest state, where 34 percent of the population is obese.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 13:12:56

It has to be a conspiracy to get us to die before we collect SS.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 18:09:09

Now you’ve done it! Expect a visit from the men in black!

Seriously, not only that, but to keep the remainder who have pensions from collecting them as well.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 11:50:05

Really? enjoy!:

Posted in: Meltdown • Odds & ends • Really / OC Register
Real estate news and views from around the globe that make you go, “Really?”

* THE GREATER DEPRESSION: The housing crisis that began in 2006 is now worse than the Great Depression. Prices have fallen some 33%, greater than the 31% fall from the late 1920s to the early 1930s, according to Case-Shiller data. (CNBC)

* MEGLOMANIA: Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Charles Munger told a conference in Pasadena that the housing bubble “was caused by some combination of megalomania, insanity and evil.” (Huffington Post)

* BID RIGGING: Federal prosecutors allege that eight real estate investors conspired not to bid against one another at foreclosure auctions in two Northern California counties. (Forbes)

* $181 BILLION: The volume of distressed commercial real estate totaled $181.1 billion in June, up $500 million since April, according to Delta Associates and Real Capital Analytics. (GlobeSt.com)

* WORST DEAL EVER: Bank of America’s decision to buy Countrywide home loans “turned out to be the worst deal we ever made,” one Bank of America director told the Wall Street Journal. (Huffington Post)

* AT LONG LAST, THE BOTTOM: “I therefore declare: real estate has bottomed,” writes blogger Markos Kaminis. (Seeking Alpha)

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-07 13:23:18

* THE GREATER DEPRESSION: The housing crisis that began in 2006 is now worse than the Great Depression. Prices have fallen some 33%, greater than the 31% fall from the late 1920s to the early 1930s, according to Case-Shiller data. (CNBC)

I wonder if there were areas during GD-I that didn’t fall at all?

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 17:37:34

The Great Depression was serious, but the reality was UE was only about 25%, although wages and business were stagnate.

Theses days, we accept this as “normal.” (17% “official” UE, wages and business stagnate unless you’re a Fortune 500)

THAT’S why were screwed.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-07 18:01:59

Some HBB posters of yesteryear frequently brought up the scepter of a Greater Depression:

Comment by Jas Jain
2006-10-14 12:34:41

Paul Volcker was a great Chairman because he didn’t cater to the interests of Bankrupters and Fraudsters of New York City (BFNYC). Greenspan and Bernanke have acted like they are sworn agents of BFNYC.

The US economy was put on the path to Greater Depression day that Volcker was replaced with “our guy” Greenspan by political hacks like James Baker, III. Then, in 1992 election year “our guy” Greenspan bit Baker like an ungrateful dog.

Jas Jain

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 12:32:16

Jailed for cashing Chase check at Chase bank
KING 5 News

AUBURN, Wash. - Buying his own home was a big accomplishment for construction worker, Ikenna Njoku, of Auburn. He’s only 28 years old.
“I was really excited. For the first time, I actually got to buy a lawn mower, mow my lawn and everything,” said Njoku.

Njoku qualified for the first time home buyer rebate on his tax return.

“It was really important, I had a vehicle I was looking on paying off,” said. Njoku. And it wasn’t just any vehicle. “It was a 2001 Infinity I-30, silver…just like my favorite car, “he said.

Njoku signed up to have the rebate deposited directly into his Chase Bank account. But when the IRS rebate arrived, there was a problem. Chase had closed Njoku’s account because of overdrawn checks in the past. The bank deducted $600 to cover what he owed them and mailed him a cashier’s check for the difference–$8,463.21.

But when Njoku showed up at the Chase branch near his house intending to cash the check, he was in for a nasty surprise.

The check had Njoku’s name and address on it and was issued by JP Morgan Chase. But the Chase Customer Banker who handles large checks at the Auburn branch was immediately suspicious.

“I was embarrassed,” Njoku said. “She asked me what I did for a living. Asked me where I got the check from, looked me up and down—like ‘you just bought a house in Auburn, really?’ She didn’t believe that,” he said.

The Customer Banker said the check looked fake, so she took it, along with Njoku’s driver license and credit card, and called Bank Support.

After waiting for about 15 minutes, Njoku said he got impatient and told Chase he was leaving to do an important errand. By the time he got back, the bank was closed. Njoku said he called customer service and asked them what he should do. He says they told him to go back to the bank the next day to get his money.

But when Njoku arrived, it wasn’t the money that was waiting for him.

“They just threw me in jail; they called the police and said this guy has a fraudulent check,” Njoku said.

Auburn police arrested him for forgery - a felony crime.

“I was like - you’re making a mistake, you’re making a mistake, don’t take me to jail, I got work tomorrow. I can’t afford to miss work,” he said.

Njoku was taken to jail on June 24, 2010, which was a Thursday. The next day, Chase Special Investigations, realized it was a mistake. The check was legitimate. The Investigator called Auburn Police and left a message with the detective handling the case, but it was her day off. So Njoku stayed in jail for the entire weekend. Finally, on Monday, he was released.

Auburn Police Commander Dave Colglazier said Chase could have done a lot more to let them know they’d locked up an innocent man.

“We do have a main line that comes into our front office,” he said. “There are ways to reach someone 24/7 at a police department.”

For Njoku, going to jail for five days meant a lot more than just losing his freedom. He said the entire time he was “just stressed out…trying to figure out what was going on with my vehicle. I love my vehicle,” he said.

Njoku’s car had been towed from the bank parking lot and his check seized as evidence.

“I had to wait a couple of weeks,” he said, “and my car got sold, auctioned off.”

Njoku says he didn’t have the money to pay the impound fees and fines to get his car back before it was sold. He said he also lost his job because he didn’t show up for work while he was in jail.

After all of that, Njoku said he never heard a word from Chase.

“They haven’t even sent me a letter or apologized,” he said. “It’s been a year we’ve been trying to contact these guys.”

Finally, A Seattle attorney offered to help. Last week, Felix Luna sent Chase a scathing letter. Read the attorneys’ letter to Chase

“It’s one thing to make a mistake,” Luna said. “It’s one thing to make multiple errors of judgment like Chase has made and then, once you realize that your error has caused such harm to somebody else, to just ignore it for a year. I think he deserved better. I think all their customers do.”

Like Njoku, KING 5 had a difficult time getting answers from Chase. A week after first contacting them, they sent a two line e-mail.

“We received the letter and are reviewing the situation. We’ll be reaching out to the customer,” wrote Darcy Donoahoe-Wilmot, from Chase Media Relations.

Njoku said that even after he got out of jail, he said was confused and upset. “For a month, two months, I was just down and depressed,” he said.

He’s still happy he bought his house, but sad that his experience with his own bank was so humiliating.

“They treated me like a criminal,” he said.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 13:28:23

“We received the letter and are reviewing the situation. We’ll be reaching out to the customer,” wrote Darcy Donoahoe-Wilmot, from Chase Media Relations. ;-)

Cha$e…“These f@!king Guys!,” Jon Stewart.

“Move yer monie$! Boycott$ Cha$e!… Move yer monie$! Boycott$ Cha$e… Move yer monie$! Boycott$ Cha$e!… Move yer monie$! Boycott$ Cha$e!… Move yer monie$! Boycott$ Cha$e!…”

 
Comment by polly
2011-07-07 14:28:26

He should have found the meanest, nastiest lawyer in town the day he got out of jail. A good lawyer could have gotten him his car back, a letter explaining to his employer that the whole mess was entirely Chase’s fault and a nice fat check for his trouble.

That being said, don’t try to deposit checks in banks that closed your old account because of overdrafts. Use another bank. Then contact the old one and make sure everything you owed them was all squared away. But never use them again.

Comment by Kim
2011-07-07 16:40:15

I’ll bet he could find a lot of lawyers out there who would take the case pro bono… just to make a name for themselves.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 18:13:34

How many lawyers do you that work for free up front? Because all the ones I’ve EVER met, don’t.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-07 19:04:51

Publicity man you cant buy this publicity so you do a case pro bono and the payoff is YOUR PHONE IS RINGING OFF THE HOOK… yup you will be busy with paying customers….

saw this happen a a law firm when i was a paralegal, story got picked up by Ch5 and the daily news…something stupid like this…and all next month people wanted his services…..Ill bet he got at least $200K in new business for the firm, i put in a lot of OT…so i was happy

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 19:21:43

I sure hope so. If anyone deserves help, it’s this guy.

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 18:16:33

Good advice polly, but it’s hard to open another account with overdrafts and money owed on a previous account.

Depending on where live, it may be impossible.

Most people don’t know either of the above information.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 18:12:21

Thank god we don’t live in police state and have freedums and stuff!!

Oh wait…

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 13:05:25

This is fun stuff, it will blow right over the heads of the average and not so average American voters…

~ Clipped from The 5Min Forecast

On the national level, President Obama announced yesterday he’s ready to put Social Security on the chopping block if his political foes will agree to start raising taxes.

Rather, he’s open to changing the standard by which cost-of-living adjustments (COLA) are calculated.

You might call it a “stealth default.”

The Greenspan Commission first recommended monkeying with the consumer price index (CPI) in 1983 so inflation would appear to be less severe than it is and the SS Trust Fund would not have to pay increases according to recipients’ needs, but rather a formula calculated in the backroom of some marble and glass structure on K Street.

This time around, policy wonks want to up the ante. The COLAs they propose should be calculated by a measure called “chained CPI.” The reason? To reflect a favorite among academic economists: the “substitution effect” — that is, when steak prices go up, you buy more hamburger, and thus the price you pay for beef remains stable. It’s only your standard of living that goes down.

If you’ve had money taken out of your pay for years to fund Social Security payments for others, you might conclude the “chained CPI” is nothing but a broken promise. We couldn’t fault you for feeling that way.

Let’s get out the napkin. Between the Social Security changes, spending cuts and tax increases on the table, The Washington Post says the savings proposed will total $4 trillion over the next 10 years.

That’s an average of $400 billion a year. This year’s deficit is $1.65 trillion. Hmmn…

Like standing at the edge of a cliff in Canyonlands, at night, with the moon behind the clouds, we’re sensing a vast emptiness. Wait, that’s a $1.2 trillion yaw in the annual budget — even if these politically unsafe proposals get passed without the grubby hands of political staffers all over them.

Thank the Lord, our creditors have problems enough of their own to contend with. Even so, the Chinese, the Japanese and the Middle Eastern oil sheikdoms are most assuredly watching developments in Washington very carefully. At some point, they’re likely to conclude they won’t get paid in full… or as with “chained CPI,” what they get paid back with will amount to a “stealth default.”

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 14:44:55

Completely agree on pretty much everything you note above, especially the view that $400B per year is enough deficit reduction and the stealth inflation. On the $400B, I recall hearing Roger Altman speak at a conference–his big points were 1) eventually the world will force the US to get its fiscal house in order; and 2) there aren’t enough rich people to tax, so there will need to be some broadening of the tax base. Perhaps this first foray into fixing the deficit will be in some way a test balloon for the politicians to see what types of things the American Public are willing to live with.

Stealth inflation is one of the reasons that I look at all “inflation-adjusted” measurements with some skepticism (significant skepticism in some cases). Because of the changes in CPI, I started looking differently at the Case-Shiller “inflation-adjusted” home prices going back to 1890. I saw John William’s “shadow-stats” website and started wondering which CPI measure Case-Shiller has been using for the years 1983 onward. The one that was substantially the same as the CPI measure from 1890 to 1983? Or the one that was significantly changed as you note above. The resultant graph, and thus the conclusion that one may draw about appropriate level of home prices are substantially different depending on which CPI measure one uses.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-07 15:30:28

there aren’t enough rich people to tax, so there will need to be some broadening of the tax base.

Hey I know what would help! Tax the rich more. Who cares if it doesn’t solve the whole problem overnight. It will help it. There is no one cure.

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 17:05:55

The cure will ultimately be a combination of:

1. Increased taxes and an elimination or reduction of benefits for the wealthy; and
2. Increased taxes and a delay or reduction of benefits for the poor

How long it takes us to come to that realization and get there will depend on how long it takes the rest of the world to stop lending to us.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 18:21:00

2. Increased taxes and a delay or reduction of benefits for the poor

You are obviously not poor or you would know this has been the ongoing modus operandi for the last 20 years. :mad:

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-07 20:23:49

1. Increased Extended $hrub taxes gift$ and an elimination or reduction of increa$ed benefit$ for the wealthie$; and…
2.Increased taxes and a delay or reduction of benefits for the poor;…and

3.Increased taxes and a delay or reduction of benefits for the middle class;…and
4.Increased taxes and a delay or reduction of benefits for the Faux wealthie$.

Better clarity :-)

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-07 20:33:10

There is going to be a middle class?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 13:22:33

“It has become alarmingly clear that public disclosure was the last thing on the minds of the government officials charged with protecting the taxpayers’ interests,” said Rep. Darrell Issa, the ranking Republican member on the House Oversight Committee.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-07 13:45:24

Free government workshop for troubled homeowners Monday in Hollywood

By Jeff Ostrowski Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 11:50 a.m. Thursday, July 7, 2011

A free Help for Homeowners workshop is scheduled for 11 a.m. to 7:30 p.m. Monday at the Westin Diplomat Resort in Hollywood, 3555 S. Ocean Drive.

The event is sponsored by the Obama Administration’s Making Home Affordable Program, HOPE NOW Alliance and NeighborWorks America. Troubled borrowers can meet with mortgage companies and federally approved counseling agents to work on a solution to help them stay in their home.

For more information, go to http://www.MakingHomeAffordable.gov.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/foreclosures/free-government-workshop-for-troubled-homeowners-monday-in-1589073.html - -

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-07 14:27:48

“The event is sponsored by the Obama Administration’s Making Home Affordable Program,”

Should read…

The event is sponsored by the Obama Administration’s Keeping Homes Unaffordable Program.

 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-07-07 15:16:29

What does Obama know about affordable?

 
 
Comment by Kim
2011-07-07 15:04:04

This is good for an HBB chuckle or two:

http realestate aol.com/blog/2011/07/06/homebuyers-take-note-mortgage-elevator-is-going-up/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl11%7Csec3_lnk2%7C218172

Homebuyers Take Note: Mortgage Elevator Is Going Up

“Consider this the “snap out of it” slap that Cher gave Nic Cage in “Moonstruck.” If you’re in the market for a house, you need to buy it while the interest rates are low — and by the way, those rates crept up a bit already this week.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-07 15:45:39

Looks like curtains for this waste of skin…

Court won’t stop execution of Mexican

HUNTSVILLE, Texas (AP) — The U.S. Supreme Court Thursday rejected a White House-backed appeal seeking to spare a Mexican citizen from execution Thursday evening in a death penalty case where Texas justice clashed with international treaty rights.

Justices voted 5-4, refusing to keep Humberto Leal from lethal injection, The decision came about an hour before Leal could be taken to the Texas death chamber for the 1994 rape-slaying of a 16-year-old girl.

The Obama administration and others asked the high court to delay Leal’s execution so Congress could consider a law that would require court reviews in cases where condemned foreign nationals did not receive help from their consulates. They said the case could affect not only foreigners in the U.S. but Americans detained in other countries.

Prosecutors, however, said the legislation was likely to fail and that Leal’s appeals were simply an attempt to evade justice for a gruesome murder.

Leal, a 38-year-old mechanic, was sentenced to lethal injection for the murder of Adria Sauceda, whose brutalized nude body was found hours after Leal left a San Antonio street party with her. The girl’s head was bashed with a 30- to 40-pound chunk of asphalt.

Leal moved with his family from Monterrey, Mexico, to the U.S. as a toddler. His appeals contended police never told him he could seek legal assistance from the Mexican government under an international treaty, and that such assistance would have helped his defense.

The argument is not new. Texas, the nation’s most active death penalty state, has executed other condemned foreign nationals who raised similar challenges, most recently in 2008.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 16:18:35

ISTR that Resendiz the Railway Killer got the same amount of sympathy when he was executed in 2006. Do a search on this guy. He was a real aho.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-07 16:58:22

I followed this in the Mexican media online. 100% of those who posted their comments had ZERO sympathy for him.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-07 17:34:28

And I’d venture to guess that the phrase “sin verguenza” was heavily used.

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-07-07 17:56:40

http://www.dailytech.com/Ford+and+Toyota+Blast+EPA+for+Forcing+Ethanol+Blends+on+Public/article22077.htm

Ford and Toyota blast the EPA for forcing 15% ethanol on the public. The sheeple might start taking a much more active interest in ending this scam on consumers and taxpayers when they ruin their engines and learn the use of such high concentrations of ethanol invalidates their warranties.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-07 18:25:45

Little known fact: it also reduces your gas mileage.

I wonder who was behind the lobby *COUGH*ADM*COUGH* for this stupid regulation?

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-07-07 18:21:15

Picked up a case of Oak Leaf Shiraz from WalMart. $2.77/bottle.
Decent stuff. Kinda like the Mad Dog of the vino world.

Ahem, sir, that is a sipping wine.

My bad! Do you have any gulping wines!?

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-07-07 20:06:39

LMAO. Reminds me of a friend of mine who, when he visited with his wife, I took wine tasting. “Dude. It’s called wine TASTING, not wine INHALING.”

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-07 18:21:42

It`s my equity, and I need it now!

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2011-07-07 21:14:27

why….. why…… why you need a HELOC!!!!!!

 
 
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