What Went Wrong With Japan
Readers suggested a topic on the housing bubble and central bank policy. “This recession has been going on since approximately 2007 with no end in sight. Much has been written about Japan’s ‘Lost Decade.’ Are we in an American ‘Lost Decade’? Will it last longer than a decade?”
A reply, “Some have already labelled the first decade of the third millennium A.D. the lost decade for the American economy, beginning around the time of the tech stock crash.”
One said, “For us guys in the aerospace business, and a bunch of other ‘mature’ industries, the ‘Lost Decade’ started about 1986. Inflation corrected, I’m making less as a ‘Chief of Maintenance’ than I did as a newbie A&P back in 1979-80.”
“All this crap started rolling down here about 1980. Any correlation between the screwing of J6P America,the rise of Trickle-Down, Supply Sider Republican Theology and the purchase of the Federal Government by the Banksters and Corporations may be purely coincidental. Time to re-read ‘The Jungle’ and ‘The Grapes of Wrath.’ Back to the future, baby.”
From Reuters. “Call it a lost two years, and counting. The economic malaise afflicting industrialised economies on both sides of the Atlantic isn’t as long-lived as Japan’s lost decade yet. But as a distressingly weak U.S. June jobs report made clear on Friday, two years after a deep recession ended, central bankers have yet to engineer convincing recoveries.”
“Instead, wary of overusing the measures they have already rolled out, they find themselves waiting in the hope that these policies will be enough. ‘I’m a little bit more sympathetic to central bankers now than I was 10 years ago,’ U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said with a faint smile when asked last month about earlier criticisms of Japanese policy.”
“Despite ultra-loose monetary policies, the Fed, the European Central Bank and the Bank of England all face lingering economic challenges. The Fed, far from launching a tightening cycle, has just completed the latest — and what it hopes is its last — round of large-scale bond buying. Not only has the Fed cut rates to near zero, it has tripled its balance sheet to more than $2.8 trillion from pre-crisis levels.”
“In spite of this, the Fed is falling well short of its mandate to ensure sustainable full employment, with unemployment at 9.2 percent in June and growth projected to remain sluggish. ‘The more the central banks pull the same rabbit out of the hat and it still doesn’t solve the problem, the higher is the risk that at some point the market will say, ‘We’ve seen that rabbit before… and maybe I won’t react as aggressively in response to your policy,’ said Torsten Slok, an economist for Deutsche Bank.”
“While an economics professor at Princeton University, Bernanke cricitized the Bank of Japan for poor policymaking, saying it was slow and inconsistent in responding to deflation. Japan’s economy sputtered for ten years in the 1990s after a real estate bubble burst and has never really recovered. Bernanke said in June that his main point in his comments about Japan was that a determined central bank can always do something about deflation. ‘I think it’s widely agreed that we succeeded in ending that deflation risk,’ he said.”
The Guardian. “HSBC’s Stephen King, Karen Ward and Madhur Jha have analysed the recovery plans of governments in major economies, and discovered an alarming theme: they are all banking on a rapid return to healthy growth to repair their balance sheets – and they’re unlikely to get it. King et al believe the current ’soft patch.’ which is not just affecting the UK but also the rest of Europe and the US, could in fact be something much worse: what they call ‘Japan lite.’”
“Since the 1980s credit-fuelled boom turned into a crash, Japan has battled its way through what was known as the ‘lost decade’ before it became clear that it would go on even longer – a prolonged period of sluggish growth, punctuated by dips into recession. Its debt-to-GDP ratio has continued to climb throughout this time – from 40% in 1996 to more than 200% today.”
“Leigh Skene, of Lombard Street Research, echoes HSBC’s fear that Japan could be the model the rest of the world’s economies end up emulating, despite policymakers’ determination not to repeat Tokyo’s perceived policy mistakes. Skene says the job of clearing up after the credit-fuelled chaos of the past decade has barely begun. ‘The repair of household balance sheets is in its infancy, zombie companies abound and bank balance sheets contain far too many toxic assets and far too little capital.’”
“There was a hint of this in the recommendations from the inaugural meeting of the Bank of England’s financial policy committee. Its members said they feared banks might be quietly extending loans they know will never be fully repaid – where a property is worth less than the mortgage secured on it, for example – without making their shareholders fully aware of what is happening. The recipients of the banks’ beneficence then become what Danny Gabay, of Fathom Consulting, calls ‘zombie households’ – technically insolvent but stumbling onwards.”
“As Ward puts it, ‘The point we’re making is that if you think about what went wrong with Japan, it was the fact that the fiscal issues were never addressed, and as the debt levels got bigger and bigger, the causality starts to reverse, and eventually, you get to the point where your recovery stalls, because you haven’t dealt with the debt problems.’”
The Guardian, September 8, 2008. “As the world frets over the three-day delay before US Congress meets again to debate a bail-out plan for Wall Street, it is worth remembering that it took Japan’s government several years to rescue its stricken financial institutions. Though there are significant differences between the two, Japan’s real estate and stock market meltdown of the 1990s offers lessons in how — and how not – to manage the kind of crisis now enveloping US banks.”
“When the asset-inflated bubble burst, over-generous Japanese lenders were left with masses of bad loans. From its 1989 peak of 38,916, the Nikkei stock average fell 63% during the 1990s; land prices slumped — a far cry from the days when the grounds of the imperial palace in Tokyo were rumoured to be worth more than all the real estate in California.”
“Helped by toothless regulators who turned a blind eye to their losses, the initial reaction was to simply do nothing while banks creaked under the weight of unrecoverable loans. Japanese banks started writing off their bad debts in the mid-1990s, but the government’s bail-out did not take hold until 1999, when the Resolution and Collection Corporation was formed to handle the disposal of bad loans.”
“But Tokyo’s bail-out package came at a price. Free to lend again, banks simply used funds to keep countless ‘zombie’ companies afloat, so great was the desire to avoid bankruptcy and mass unemployment.”
“Taro Aso, Japan’s new leader, this week cautioned the US against the procrastination that had prolonged his country’s banking crisis. ‘It is doubtful that we responded properly,’ he said. ‘The government action was slower and so the costs grew greater.’”
“Whatever congressional legislators decide on Thursday, they can’t say they haven’t been warned.”
Even though we’ve covered some of this before, I thought this topic was relevant in light of the recent jobs data and debt problems. I don’t want to wallow in dire talk, but rather add this blogs voice to the chorus that says we don’t have to continue down this road.
I am reminded in all of this of Isaac Asimov’s Foundation Trilogy series of books.
At some point it became mathematically inevitable that collapse would occur so the PTB figured out how to best ensure the coming dark ages would be minimized.
I have honestly been through all the angles I can conceive of on this mess and do not believe there is a clean solution.
The most fundamental issue seems to be that there is more debt than currency in circulation to service that debt.
Since we know increasing the money supply to cover the debt would indeed be inflationary that is obviously out of the question.
So without inflation I believe pretty simple two + two math proves our debts and obligations on a worldwide basis cannot be handled which means possible decades of debt destruction.
There is a good deal of discussion right now about the national debt and raising taxes, which is fine as long as it is understood our economy will continue to shrink and taxable incomes will continue to shrink, so either way the government must understand moving forward there will be a spiral of decreasing revenue and huge cuts will need to be made.
IMO when you look at the source of our problems it comes back to huge imbalances in the cost of labor around the world. Japan and the US are WAY to expensive and our jobs and businesses have moved to greener pastures.
Since we know increasing the money supply to cover the debt would indeed be inflationary that is obviously out of the question.
Is it?
IMO when you look at the source of our problems it comes back to huge imbalances in the cost of labor around the world. Japan and the US are WAY to expensive and our jobs and businesses have moved to greener pastures.
That’s definitely a factor, but I’ve seen enough evidence from my lefty friends here to be skeptical that it’s that simple. When you take productivity into account as well as the current value of the dollar, I don’t think the US worker is *that* uncompetitive. There seem to be other forces at work…such as way too much debt that locks in a high cost of living. If every American worker had a paid off place to live and with no other debt I bet he could live well enough on the true value of his labor. If he could get paid for it.
Inflation in India and China and the price of oil is quickly eliminating any cost advantage in those countries.
Especially inflation in the cost of housing.
Still at least in India that appears to be coming to an end
Pankaj Kapoor, chief executive of Liases Foras, told OPP that even in places like the NCR that have seen strong sales, “construction has been slow because of the huge supply that has come into the market, slowing down execution. Almost 105 million square feet of real estate supply has hit Noida alone.”
http://opp.org.uk/news_article.asp?id=5428
India Real Estate Market About to Crash Or Consolidation?
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article29107.html
They couldn’t be experiencing a bubble; surely not; its different there.
There’s very little talk about the current property bubble in many parts of Asia, aside form China. Even the government in Singapore, the Asian answer to Switzerland financially, sees slides in prices coming. Bangkok is going to have an almighty crash again.
There are a large number of unsold condos in Bangkok, and many of the newer ones have very poor construction but very high prices. I went and looked at an upper-midrange one-bed condo to rent the other day the other day, newly “finished” a year ago. A badly laid out box and a year after the opening the baseboards hadn’t been laid in the hallway. Even the estate agent with was shocked. And the condo I was looking at sells for around $200K (in a country where the minimum wage isn’t $10/a day yet). Bangkok is littered with this stuff. When the really cheap Chinese money disappears, hopefully so will the crappy overbuilding, since I’m told a lot of the money comes from outside the country.
“The most fundamental issue seems to be that there is more debt than currency in circulation to service that debt.”
That’s a piece of cake: Print enough currency to service the debt.
Problem solved.
problem solved by creating a bigger problem?
“… which means possible decades of debt destruction.”
Agree.
And decades of debt destruction means those who are owed and think they will get paid what they are owed will somehow have to learn to do without.
And they will have to experience this doing without for decades.
This is what the Fourth Turning is all about. One generation has entered this Turning and a different type of generation will exit. Eventually.
So without inflation I believe pretty simple two + two math proves our debts and obligations on a worldwide basis cannot be handled which means possible decades of debt destruction. ”
Even if inflation is used to chop debts down to size there is still wealth destruction. the debt gets paid back with money worth much less than new current costs because of inflation.
So you’re right It’s wealth destruction ( debt destruction one man’s debt is another’s wealth ) one way or another.
So if we were to switch directions on this, what would it look like? More banks going under? More bankruptcies? I’m ready for whatever.
‘Regulators on Friday shut down four small banks in three states, boosting to 55 the number of U.S. bank failures this year. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. seized High Trust Bank in Stockbridge, Ga., One Georgia Bank in Atlanta, First Peoples Bank in Port St. Lucie, Fla., and Summit Bank in Prescott, Ariz.’
‘From 2008 through 2010, bank failures cost the fund $76.8 billion. The deposit insurance fund fell into the red in 2009…it stood at about $1 billion as of March 31.’
‘The number of banks on the FDIC’s confidential “problem” list edged up to 888 in January through March from 884 as of Dec. 31. The 888 troubled banks is the highest number since 1993, during the savings-and-loan crisis.’
A confidential “problem” list? How can a organization be any more of a “zombie” than Fannie or Freddie?
One thing that might be different is we might not be pinning our hopes on social media stocks that have never earned a dime. We might have a few trillion less in debt. We might not have an arrogant, over-paid, house-hoarding wall street drunk on moral hazard.
Here’s a mental exercise; who were the bankers and politicians that made the mistakes in Japan? Does anyone remember them? Did they live “under-paid and over-worked” for 20 plus years? IMO, what we need to wake up to is this; the “system” doesn’t belong to Ben Bernanke. It’s ours, and WE are the ones that have to live with the consequences of these policies.
“We might not have an arrogant, over-paid, house-hoarding wall street drunk on moral hazard.”
At what point will these idiots realize that the collateral underlying their hoped-for real estate investment gains can collapse before they ever get around to selling it?
So, we’re limited by FDIC’s funds? If they just let ‘er rip, all zombie banks closed, it would be good to be in gold or something, huh.
“Too big to fail” is the policy, and they’re busy shutting down all the small banks, keeping the big ones on life support. There’s a certain big bank in the PNW which is completely insolvent, yet continues on with business as usual as if nothing is wrong. That’s the game. Keep the big zombie’s going, and hammer the little guys. So sorry, small fish..
The same goes for us “little people.” We don’t have inside connections, so we pay for our mistakes (as we should). The well-connected don’t. I’m seeing it right now. Big time developers who lost major land to foreclosure are now buying it back under different names, and continuing on as if they didn’t lose anything. This is all about the wealthy and powerful, through fraud, maintaining control of the wealth, land, and property which they should have lost. If anyone thinks these bankers and politicians give a rats @ss about this country, they’ve got pea brain.
The policy is also “Stealth Shutdown,” as in close the bank Friday night and reopen it Monday morning with normal operations under a new owner.
Pretty slick policy, if you ask me…
‘…the “system” doesn’t belong to Ben Bernanke…’
Could have fooled me…
“Taro Aso, Japan’s new leader, this week cautioned the US against the procrastination that had prolonged his country’s banking crisis. ‘It is doubtful that we responded properly,’ he said. ‘The government action was slower and so the costs grew greater.’”
Nobody can accuse the U.S. of failing to act in great haste. But in retrospect, how did the Fall 2008 TARP work out? Did it serve its intended purpose to provide Troubled Asset Relief?
Last time I checked, the Fed had stepped in to pick up a bunch of troubled mortgage backed securities. Was this part of the TARP, or something different? If it was something different, then where did all the TARP money end up? Is anyone whatsoever concerned that $700bn+ Congress allocated to the TARP may not have served its intended purpose? Is anyone at the top of our financial system held accountable for that sort of thing?
Sorry to jump the gun on whatever Congressional oversight committee is tasked with asking these questions, but it seems like the American public has a right to know.
‘cautioned the US against the procrastination’
Yeah, that’s the predictable position. Don’t just make the mistakes we made, but make them faster and larger in scale.
The Federal Reserve is Thelma, our politicians are Louise and somebody should take the keys away.
Here’s what’s glossed over in all this; never before in history has there been a global asset bubble. This isn’t some academic issue, but one that deserves the greatest attention. Papering over the housing/stock bubbles hasn’t worked, and it’s time for a re-evaluation.
Not popular, but “financial instruments” such as credit default swaps, Hedge funds, derivatives, credit insurance, federally backed loans etc are a big part of the problem. These allowed banks to distance themselves from risk making real estate and other loans risk free profit.
Other problems include futures, rapid stock buying and selling, options, shorting stocks etc. These simply game money without actually providing value. IMO ALL stocks should have a minimum 72 hour ownership requirement and concepts like shorting stocks should be outlawed.
These are the arena where we expect and need government to function rather than as financial provider for 1/2 of our population.
“…shorting stocks should be outlawed.”
Why? Short interest is a good way to bet against companies which are in the bubble price zone. By taking away this pressure relief valve for bubblicious valuations, taking away short sales would most likely increase the risk for future stock price bubbles.
Is that what you had in mind?
Moreover, if individual A is willing to loan individual B some stock on agreement that individual B will return it at some specified future point, this sounds like a perfectly innocent contractual arrangement, provided any gains or losses are limited to parties A and B. What do you have against private contracts, a staple of the free enterprise system?
The original intent of “stock ownership” was to take ownership of a productive profitable concern. This kind of trading is pure and counterproductive speculation.
Having spent a good 2/3 of my professional life self employed I have nothing against private contracts, but there is a clear pattern of behaviour on wall street today which goes counter to all that is good and productive in business. IMO short selling and high frequency trading are bad business. This is just gaming the system.
“…but there is a clear pattern of behaviour on wall street today which goes counter to all that is good and productive in business.”
I’ll buy that. A lot less bail and more rule of law could go far to remedy the situation.
“IMO short selling and high frequency trading are bad business.”
HFT is obviously a newcomer, based on computing technology; by contrast, short selling has been around forever. The problem as I see it is not that short selling is allowed per se, but rather that the big boys appear to play by different rules. For instance, I believe there was a point in time over the past few years when only Megabank, Inc was allowed to short, while smaller players (e.g. hedge funds) were barred from the practice; would have to look up a reference to corroborate, and I don’t have time at the moment.
But obviously, if you have a system of rules where the playing field is tilted towards the rich and powerful, and set up to screw the average Joe, you are going to further enrich the rich and powerful.
‘The original intent of “stock ownership” was to take ownership of a productive profitable concern.’
I’d argue that an inability to short makes it easier for Wall Street banksters to sell Rubes overvalued stocks, setting them up as the bagholders on falling knife malinvestments. Short interest is the market’s warning sign that a stock’s price might be getting a bit frothy.
For instance, I believe there was a point in time over the past few years when only Megabank, Inc was allowed to short, while smaller players (e.g. hedge funds) were barred from the practice;
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Hedge funds by their nature are allowed to short, either directly or via the purchase of put options. It is basically what makes them ‘hedge funds’. Major mutual funds (fidelity, vanguard, etc) don’t short, not because they are not allowed to by the SEC, but because hedging strategies are risk multipliers if used incorrectly.
There was a period where short selling was banned for everyone, but buying put options was still legal, so therefore, shorting was only banned for less knowledgeable individual users in practice.
And you see the correct problem - there is nothing wrong with shorting or HFT as long as the playing field is level.
“The Federal Reserve is Thelma, our politicians are Louise and somebody should take the keys away.”
I rode on a Wave Runner yesterday — great fun, and something I never would have imagined myself doing — thanks to a wealthy BIL’s generous contribution to our family reunion. There is a cord that you clip on to your shirt at one end, which plugs into the craft at the other. If you happen to fall off, and you remembered to clip on the cord, the motor shuts off when the cord gets yanked out of the socket, making it relatively easier to swim over to the abandoned Wave Runner.
By way of contrast, it’s awfully hard to stop a car in flight once it has launched off the edge of a cliff.
Mother Nature is ever vigilant in her enforcement of the Laws of Physics.
The Powers that Be in Washington and Wall Street? Not so much.
Aren’t those fun? I rode on one once down in Cabo San Lucas. Rented for one hour, half price, in exchange for 75 minutes listening to some time share pitch. The cable is a “dead man’s switch.” that hour went too fast. It was fun buzzing around a huge cruise ship while tiny figures way up above were peering down watching me and a dozen other wave runners.
“dead man’s switch”
That’s a great term.
Hopefully it is merely figurative in most cases. (I never fell off, though I temporarily lost my hat thanks to letting my 14 yr-old son take over at the throttle…)
Rent, don’t buy a jet ski. Once you’ve purchased, driving around in circles by yourself on a lake gets boring, and you’ll want to trade it in for a boat.
On the positive side the Japanese don’t have to deal with Jesus’ return to a land we can no longer afford to blindly support.
At some point the British Empire finally realized it could not afford to have the world under its control and gave up. Britain continues to exist and the rest of the world is still here.
I frankly doubt the rest of the world would miss us much if we bailed on them…
I agree with you. America will continue to exist. Great inventions and technology will continue to be wheeled out of American labs and rock the world without us being the world policeman. With some nice differences: no more “need” of the “Patriot” Act, less government spending, and a much more diminished target of terror. The next self-appointed world cop, perhaps Chindia, will be the main terrorist target.
America will need the “Patriot” act more and more in the coming years as the number of poor and disenfranchised citizens grows.
“Not only has the Fed cut rates to near zero, it has tripled its balance sheet to more than $2.8 trillion from pre-crisis levels.”
Can they use the electronic printing press to enter whatever figure they want as their balance sheet level? If not, what limits them?
For instance, it seems their balance sheet shot up a long time before QE1 commenced. And there was something like $4t of Fed-funded bail happening in the background of the officially-announced TARP, circa Fall 2008. Does the end of QE2 have balance sheet implications?
‘Tis a puzzlement…all seems arbitrary, discretionary and artificial.
My personal solution is to take away the easy money creation of the banks. Make the bank pay the Government 5% of any usage of a credit card, or maybe 10%, what ever is necessary to eliminate the creation of money by the usage of credit cards.
Of course that will hurt the users of the credit card, but it may, perhaps, control the usage of the credit cards by the public.
It would kind of being like paying an extra 10% if you want to use a credit card for a purchase. Maybe an exception for paying bills, per se, but then that would open it all up to exceptions , and that is bad.
It is hard to realize that credit cards were not always available for the public, you had to pay cash, or put it on the tab!
Whether it would do much goods, I don’t know, as nothing else seems to be able to control the urge to buy!
Economic policy seeks to shape human behavior in order to result in favorable economic outcomes.
How then, is encouraging the behavior which resulted in bad outcomes (aka moral hazard) expected to lead to better outcomes in the future?
I think that is how Japan and the US might be alike.
One thing that blows my mind is that after a decade, or more, of a lousy economy, Japan still looks better than the US when it was at the top of its bubble. There are a lot of reasons for this, and I’m not claiming that Japan is perfect by any means, but man, the trains are fast and run on time, the highways are pristine, the infrastructure is top notch, and things generally work the way they’re supposed to.
Contrast that with a trip through the center of any major American city and it’s shocking how far behind we are in a lot of important ways. My take is that the US should be so lucky as to be in the same shape Japan is after we’ve done ten more years of economic stagnation.
There is more pride and honor in Japan. Unconscionable greed and a lack of humility rule the day, here.
The nuclear power plants don’t work as well in Japan.
But the point is otherwise well taken. Moreover, Japan has a much more serious demographic problem than the U.S. So does Europe. So do overpopulated developing countries with huge numbers of uneducated poor people. Their problems are much more serious than ours.
That we are in this situation is a disgrace.
My father believed that the world started having population problems at around 1 billion people (circa 1800). Here in the West we don’t see most of the more serious side of this, but consider we are the biggest mass extinction event to hit the planet since the die off of the dinosaurs some 65 million years ago. Much of this is on us…
I believe we need to make huge changes to the way we see money, resources, land and the continued overpopulation of our planet. It is clear religion play a huge role in our problems and a type of government which represents well financed special interest groups instead of individual voters. Iceland currently seems to be one of the only truly democratic nations on the planet, but of course they are a very small country and are energy independent thanks to virtually unlimited geothermal energy sources.
My in-law’s modest two story two-on-a-postage-stamp lot in the equivalent of Beverly Hills in Tokyo was valued at over $1M. My houses on a larger lot in the OC were one valued on Zillow at $980k.
Present day, $500k and $400k. And stagflation will reign supreme. It’s 1973 again!!
Big difference - the Japanese never relied on the high valuation. The folks in the US saw ATMs in their living rooms - no sense of history or logic.
Exception: Some Japanese companies paid way too much for CA RE but got spanked really hard when they cashed out -
Another huge difference was that during the bubble years, Japanese people saved a lot of money. In the US, during the bubble years, people borrowed a lot of money.
I’m still seeing new homes being built in the countryside of Japan. I think Japan is still slowly spending it’s vast amount of savings. Eventually, that money will be spent, but for now it’s like a freshwater aquifer under the American midwest. It keeps things going and going and going, but it’s no filling back up again.