A Vision Of Paradise Brought Closer To Earth
The Gazette reports from Colorado. “A Colorado Springs real estate company that’s developing home sites in Cedar Heights — one of the city’s most exclusive neighborhoods and home to million-dollar mansions — has been hit with a $5.8 million foreclosure notice. Cedar Heights Development LLC, headed by custom homebuilders Larry Nichols and Claude Comito, received the foreclosure notice last month. Sales haven’t gone as projected because of the economic downturn in recent years, Nichols acknowledged. He and Comito purchased their property in 2007; Nichols has been building homes in the area since it was first developed in the early 1980s.”
“‘We’re making sales at Cedar Heights,’ Nichols said. ‘We have homes under construction at Cedar Heights. Cedar Heights is probably doing as well any subdivision in town. But it’s still a part of the economy that’s struggling.’”
The Las Vegas Sun in Nevada. “Constance Akridge just began a one-year term as president of the State Bar of Nevada, which represents more than 8,200 active attorneys. Q: Has the rough economy affected any particular specialties within the law profession?”
“A: Definitely. I can see it in my own law firm. The people who were doing real estate law in the past are having a difficult time because they’re not doing real estate transactions. They’re doing either foreclosures or workout work…A lot of clients we used to have in the real estate area aren’t in business anymore because they’re not building the houses and doing the deals they did before.”
“Q: Are law firms readjusting their specialties because of the economy? A: Yes. Whoever has a bankruptcy department, that department likely has grown. Now it’s huge.”
Inside Tucson Business from Arizona. “During June, the demand for new-built homes continued to fall and is now 31 percent behind last year’s pace. The City of Tucson has seen the largest drop in permits, down 38 percent compared to the first six months of 2010. ‘There is not anything on the horizon before the end of year that will change the market. Nothing changes until we get through the foreclosures, which could be about this time next year. Then, the market is going to get really interesting. We will have to pay close attention to any movements to see where the trend is headed,’ said John Strobeck, Bright Future Business Consultants.”
The Kingman Daily Miner in Arizona. “The housing market in Kingman improved slightly over the last few years, but federal regulations that have Realtors worried are on the horizon. Kathleen Murray, former president of the Kingman/Golden Valley Association of Realtors, said Realtors cannot hold houses off the market once aware they’re to be listed. Once a foreclosure is up for listing, Realtors, including those with KGVAR, have one business day to list the property. If they fail to do so, it is an initial $50 fine with subsequent $10 fines levied each additional day the property is not listed.”
“Realtors have nothing to do with ’shadow inventory,’ Murray said. Banks hold foreclosed properties off the market for various reasons, and Realtors have no control over banks, she said. Major banks work foreclosures, but in many cases, they do not own the properties. They’re merely servicing the loans for investors, Murray said.”
“Consider an investor who owns 10 home loans that go bad. He or she must decide which properties to sell and which to hold. Add the fact that these loans were for $300,000 homes that are now worth $100,000 apiece. The investor must decide whether or not to hold each property in hopes that the housing market bounces back or to sell each property at a loss in order to recoup a portion of the investment, Murray said.”
“Under this scenario, a foreclosed home may not be listed for a lengthy period of time because of investors and banks but not Realtors, Murray said.”
The Arizona Daily Sun. “Distressed home sales in the Flagstaff region are on the rise, now accounting for a majority of all sales. The median price for the first six months of 2011 was $265,000, the lowest since 2004. Paula Monthofer, president of the Northern Arizona Association of Realtors, said she has advised some home-owners not to sell unless they must. ‘I am telling them that if you don’t need to put your house up for sale right now, then don’t do it,’ Monthofer said. ‘This isn’t the best time to sell your house.’”
“Recent statistics released by the Northern Arizona Association of Realtors show it is still a buyer’s market. Homes are currently selling at pre-housing-boom levels of $134 per square foot. The median price is 7 percent below last June’s median of $296,450, and sales are down 13 percent from a year ago. Currently, there is a 15-month supply of homes across all price categories, with some larger homes part of a 36-month supply.”
The Salt Lake Tribune. “Tim Charlwood is among those who still views the Ogden Valley as an undiscovered paradise, though the shock of Utah’s real estate crash and foreclosure wave has brought that vision closer to earth. Each of the project’s six partly developed lots boasts a stellar view from more than 5,600 feet above sea level, is surrounded by 40-plus acres of private forest and retails for $850,000 to $1.75 million. Charlwood launched the project in 2004, when land prices all across this pastoral valley were starting to soar.”
“Today, his development is listed at a quarter of its appraised price of a little more than a year ago. ‘I’ve had to get very realistic about valuations,’ the U.K. import-export entrepreneur and real estate developer said Thursday while welcoming visitors at a mountaintop gathering to promote the sale.”
“In some hard-hit pockets, including several Eden subdivisions, more than one of every three homes has been listed as ‘real estate owned’ since mid-2007, meaning a lender foreclosed on the property but couldn’t find a subsequent buyer. Much of the trend, according to residents, has involved second homes bought after the 2002 Winter Olympics by out-of-state vacationers subsequently forced to cut their losses with the recession.”
“‘Most of the people that I know that aren’t around anymore are from California,’ said Jim Halay, proprietor of Alpine Pizza in Eden.”
“The Ogden Valley is distinct in ways that may have made it more vulnerable. With its proximity to Snowbasin (home of the 2002 Olympic downhill races), Powder Mountain and Wolf Mountain ski resorts, the area was seen as a more secluded, down-home and less expensive alternative to Park City and Deer Valley. ‘Up there, the bazillionaires bought places for $5 million in cash,’ Halay said. ‘Here it was different. Here, everyone seemed to have a second mortgage.’”
“Some homes in Eden, Huntsville and environs saw price appreciations of 40 percent to 60 percent a year — while the boom lasted. And the bursting of the housing bubble has been equally breathtaking. Huntsville resident and real-estate executive Gage Froerer recalled two recent and sizable land deals in which parcels that once commanded $80,000 to $100,000 an acre were sold for $2,500 to $3,500 an acre.”
“‘If you bought after 2003, you don’t have any equity in your home,’ said Froerer, also a state legislator representing the area. ‘We’re really back to early-2000 pricing in Ogden Valley.’”
“While not minimizing the pain of the recession, some residents are relieved a more substantial housing boom didn’t overwhelm the area’s small-town feel. Census figures peg the number of housing units in Eden at 204 and Huntsville at 249. Charity garage sales are featured on the local newspaper’s front page, and kids ride their bikes in the July Fourth parade.”
“‘It’s a quiet atmosphere, which is why I moved here,’ said Halay, a former Chicago resident who fell in love with the area during a four-day visit in 2001. ‘It’s a great place, but don’t tell anybody about it.’”
‘I am telling them that if you don’t need to put your house up for sale right now, then don’t do it,’ Monthofer said. ‘This isn’t the best time to sell your house.’”
Great advice… Just hang on and go down with the ship.
yeah nice juxtaposition, Ben…
A couple of things I ran into:
‘Contrary to conventional wisdom, as the nation moves through an extended housing downturn, a number of credit unions have found themselves faced with significant amounts of REO. So rare were credit union foreclosures before the downturn began that some credit unions reported never having made a foreclosure prior to housing crash and were thus caught unprepared when they began to have to make some.’
‘But now credit unions across the country indicate that they have been forced to become real estate managers, marketers, and in some cases, landlords as they have tried to keep up with the swelling amounts of real property on their assets sheets and they have chosen a number of different approaches to the problem.’
‘The $2.9 billion, 354,000-member Mountain America Federal Credit Union took the approach of turning to an outside firm, Green River Capital, for help in managing and eventually liquidating its REO portfolio. The South Jordan, Utah, based credit union had 67 properties worth rough $12.5 million on its books as of the end of March of this year.’
‘Now that he’s focusing less on politics, Donald Trump has made a smart real estate hire. Trump just brought Kathy Kaye on board as executive vice president of sales. A former senior v.p. at Related Companies (Superior Ink, Caledonia, Time Warner Center and the Viceroy at Snowmass), Kaye’s first goal is to set up sales and branding systems that ensure the Trump Organization gets top dollar for all future residential sales.’
‘This is the biggest brand in real estate,’ says Kaye, who started last month. ‘We’ll continue to define luxury as we deliver the top residential product available worldwide.’
‘At the top of her agenda is increasing sales at Trump Las Vegas, a 1,282-unit condo hotel. In Vegas, buyers can live in a condo hotel all yearround. Kaye will work her Los Angeles contacts in a West Coast integration strategy that cross-promotes all Trump properties. The Las Vegas building is 64 stories. Prices start around $400,000 for a studio. Trump also had some good news about his SoHo property. Since a price adjustment in February, 21 units have went into contract.’
You would think that after this recession, after people got wise to banks, after people got wise to deals and steals, after the deceptions have been laid bare, after the smoke clears and mirrors are broken, that these super-entrepreneurs would practice some of the entreprenurship that they preach: by providing a quality good or service for a fair price plus a little profit. But what do we get instead?
“Kaye’s first goal is to set up sales and branding systems that ensure the Trump Organization gets top dollar for all future residential sales…Kaye will work her Los Angeles contacts in a West Coast integration strategy that cross-promotes all Trump properties.”
Goods and services are for little guys. Trump was all about branding and perception and working contacts. If Daddy Trump had been middle class, then The Donald would have been barking carnivals for his bread.
From LinkedIn:
Kathy Kaye’s Education
Bank Street College of Education
Masters of Science, Education
1998
• Research intern for Sesame Street “PEP”
• Field Study conducted at The Diller-Quaile School of Music
Since when does Education engender a Master of Science degree?
Ya know, for giving all the geeks wedgies and swirlies and ridicule in school, when it comes to resumés, those non-geek types sure love to take on the geek mantle.
Speaking of branding, Rob Frankel has some fun things to share. You’ll enjoy his “Why Most Gurus Aren’t” blog post.
If Daddy Trump had been middle class, then The Donald would have been barking carnivals for his bread ??
+ 5
1. Some credit unions really drank the housing bubble kool-aid. Most didn’t.
2. Anything - and I mean ANYTHING - that has the Trump name on it - I run away in the opposite direction.
The Trump name = you pay alot for the exact same service/product elsewhere.
Credit Unions & REO’s
My CU brags it has almost no REO’s. My contention is they sold the “future default” loans off to Fannie and Freddie and that’s why.
I remember the LTV 125% signs. Any feedback or thoughts?
“Sales haven’t gone as projected because of the economic downturn in recent years, Nichols acknowledged.”
Or maybe they overestimated the number of millionaires in their market. Colorado Springs is a nice place, but it isn’t Malibu.
Malibu? CS is not even Albuquerque! haha But CS does have more McDonalds! yes, I read Fast Food Nation. ;))))
“The people who were doing real estate law in the past are having a difficult time because they’re not doing real estate transactions.”
A really big problem with artificially supporting prices at levels out of reach from fundamental demand is the dearth of transactions (and positive economic impacts) which result from the resulting shutdown of the market.
I’ve heard that the smart lawyers do a lot of real estate law on the upside of a market. On the downside, they shift their focus to bankruptcy law.
Not as easy to bounce from one to the other as it used to be. After the bankruptcy code was extensively amended in 2005 (not for the better, mostly) several of the folks who used to dabble in BK, or who would get involved when their other practices slowed down, couldn’t do it any longer.
“Some homes in Eden, Huntsville and environs saw price appreciations of 40 percent to 60 percent a year — while the boom lasted. And the bursting of the housing bubble has been equally breathtaking. Huntsville resident and real-estate executive Gage Froerer recalled two recent and sizable land deals in which parcels that once commanded $80,000 to $100,000 an acre were sold for $2,500 to $3,500 an acre.”
Thanks so much, Ben — don’t know whether the source of some of my recent HBB submissions may have inspired you to make this post? Eden is where we held a family reunion last weekend (some of you may have read my post a couple of days back about WaveRunnering … this is the place!).
It is truly a beautiful area, up in the mountains with a lush green valley and large lake available for motorboating activities. But I had no idea during our visit last week that this area was one of the myriad ‘ground zeros’ for the Housing Bubble! I guess the very many ‘For Sale’ signs on display should have been an obvious hint.
If my math is right, it sounds like land prices there have collapsed by roughly 97%? We rented some condos that MIL reported were owned by my wealthy BIL’s neighbor. Now I am just itching to know how much money they lost on their investments.
Here’s a condo on Wolf Creek Drive:
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3615-N-Wolf-Creek-Dr-UNIT-408-Eden-UT-84310/12018737_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}
Zestimate flucuates wildly, but in general they went from $100K to $200K and are back down to $150k.
“Realtors have nothing to do with ’shadow inventory,’ Murray said.
Run you corrupt liar run!!!
Question for NARscum;
When will you ever admit your complicity in this disaster? Is it just a smidgen of honesty and frankness really that difficult to muster? Must you always lie and deny?
Aw, be nice, RAL. The guy is identifying the entities that should be blamed:
“Consider an investor who owns 10 home loans that go bad. He or she must decide which properties to sell and which to hold. Add the fact that these loans were for $300,000 homes that are now worth $100,000 apiece. The investor must decide whether or not to hold each property in hopes that the housing market bounces back or to sell each property at a loss in order to recoup a portion of the investment, Murray said.”
But, to be fair, I’ll agree with you. I’ve met very few real estate agents who I’d describe as truthful.
“The guy is identifying the entities that should be blamed:”
He’s blaming and running.
Although I’ve never heard it described this way, I believe the “investor” here is the MBS holder. Or maybe the person/company overseeing those securities.
The real blame belongs to the % price commission system for real estate.
A seller and seller’s agent are both interested in the highest price possible. This is ok.
A buyer is interested in the lowerst price possible, but the buyer’s agent is interested in the highest price possible. This introduces a conflict of interest .
Until this system changes, the buyer will always be on the angel end of the Christmas tree, so to speak.
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We live your post during every post-home viewing chat with our Buyer’s Broker.He tries to pump up the price we should offer. We use R E Finance textbook formulas pre-bubble.
We’re not interested in annual rent X 15% as a starting point. There is nothing more irritating to our Broker, than a lucid buyer (like us). oxide, good post!
‘I believe the “investor” here is the MBS holder.’
Does the Fed still own lots and lots of those? In that case, I would think this would raise Sherman Antitrust Act issues, as the Fed is owned by private banks.
Who would have thunk the insane spending under Bush are now the “good old days”…
Spend It Like Bush
American Thinker | July 19, 2011 | Randall Hoven
What if, over the next decade, the federal government spends as irresponsibly as President George W. Bush did?
Compare two things: the 2012-2021 federal budget as proposed by President Obama in February (and as scored by the Congressional Budget Office in April), and the actual average spending level from 2001 through 2008 as a fraction of Gross Domestic Product. We’ll keep the CBO’s predictions of revenues and GDP untouched so that only spending differences are compared.
The CBO scored Obama’s proposed budget as costing $46.2 trillion over 2012-2021, or 23.5% of GDP on average. Since the CBO expects $36.7 trillion in revenues over that time frame, the 10-year cumulative deficit would be $9.5 trillion. That is the Obama plan, and the only one he has put in writing this year.
For President Bush’s numbers, we can use the White House Office of Management and Budget numbers (Table 1.2). Federal spending under Bush, from 2001 through 2008, varied between 18.2% and 20.7% of GDP, and averaged 19.6% of GDP.
Now we can do a simple ratio calculation. If we were to spend at the Bush rate (19.6% of GDP) instead of the Obama rate (23.5% of GDP), total spending over 2012-21 would be $38.5 trillion instead of $46.2 trillion.
That is a $7.7 trillion difference! Here is a table, to make the comparisons easy.
but O is spending Bush’s obligations. You cant just turn off the war. I would like to see NEW SPENDING that O has initiated.
I am no fan of O, but he was handed a broken country.
Sorry, AV0CAD0, but that’s dead wrong. You’re acting like the President (who builds the budget in the first place, every year) can’t touch much of the budget at all. For example, Obama can introduce huge cuts into what’s obviously the most expensive and wasteful militaries in all of Human history. But he won’t, since he loves huge deficits. The conclusion is inescapable. So please, please stop making excuses for who’s rapidly becoming the worst President of all U.S. history.
When you’re borrowing 40% of your budget, year in and year out, you’re either bankrupt or you have no discipline. Which one explains Obama?
“Consider an investor who owns 10 home loans that go bad. He or she must decide which properties to sell and which to hold. Add the fact that these loans were for $300,000 homes that are now worth $100,000 apiece. The investor must decide whether or not to hold each property in hopes that the housing market bounces back or to sell each property at a loss in order to recoup a portion of the investment, Murray said. Under this scenario, a foreclosed home may not be listed for a lengthy period of time because of investors and banks but not Realtors, Murray said.”
I suppose as long as the investor in question is an individual, not a large corporation acting in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act, they can keep their collapsed investment housing off the market indefinitely without breaking the law?