Reality Checks Were In Short Supply
The Bozeman Daily Chronicle reports from Montana. “Bozeman city officials are looking for new ways to create affordable housing after a plan adopted four years ago has failed. In July 2007, when homes were still shooting up across Bozeman, city officials adopted the workforce housing ordinance, requiring developers to build low-income homes in new neighborhoods. ‘It was, quite frankly, a matter of timing,’ Planning Director Tim McHarg said about the affordable housing program. ‘The ordinance was set on the thought that the market was going to continue on its merry way as it had been for the last 10 years, and obviously the market came to a crashing halt.’”
“The workforce housing ordinance requires developers of large subdivisions to price about 10 percent of new homes or condominiums under $200,000. But rather than the ordinance, the declining market wound up lowering home prices. As of Friday, there were 253 single-family homes, condominiums, townhouses and modular residences priced at $250,000 or less in Bozeman, according to Montana Multiple Listing Services statistics.”
“Bozeman’s problem isn’t out-of-reach home prices anymore, said Tracy Menuez, head of the city’s Community Affordable Housing Advisory Board. It’s getting a bank to lend you the money to buy a home. ‘You can find a $100,000 condo, but the likelihood of getting financing on it is relatively low, so it’s not necessarily an affordable housing option,’ she said.”
The Idaho Statesman. “The change in attitudes about renting has been a godsend for apartment developers and landlords in the Treasure Valley. New apartments are starting to spring up as demand rises, thanks in part to people forced out of homes they couldn’t afford or were prevented from buying by tougher mortgage-loan standards. Others are renting because they’re leery of homeownership due to insecure or mobile jobs or because of the decline in home values since 2007.”
“In Idaho, where homeownership reached a 25-year high of 75.5 percent in 2009, property managers say they have little space left to rent as people lose homes to foreclosures and short sales. ‘We’re seeing long-term owners settling into rentals,’ Chapman said. ‘Homeownership is not what it used to be. A lot of people don’t look at it as the American Dream.’”
The Mail Tribune in Oregon. “If you are looking for a kernel of good news about residential real estate prices, try the latest Fiserv Case Shiller indices. The firm’s latest findings indicate Medford and two other Oregon markets that suffered major reversals during the past six years are due for a comeback between now and 2016. There is plenty of room for debate over how soon Jackson County’s single-family residential housing market will reverse its steep decline and how long prices will keep rising.”
“Alec Miller, a senior economist with REMI Northwest in Medford, thinks there is a greater chance for employment to pick up during the months ahead than for real estate to do a vigorous about-face. Like in much of the country, too much housing stock was built here in the last decade. ‘Especially in the West, we overbuilt,’ Miller said. ‘We just built too many houses, and one of the effects of having a housing surplus is that it disengages the housing market from jobs, at least temporarily. It will get re-engaged again as housing inventory is absorbed.’”
“In other words, he sees double-digit unemployment disappearing long before there are double-digit gains in home sales prices. ‘I see more hope for the jobs market,” Miller said. ‘I’ve been a little over-optimistic all along, but as California heats up, we’ll see things start to pick up here. Certainly, we’re seeing Portland and Seattle job markets pick up and inevitably that will transfer here, it’s just a matter of time. But I don’t see a big influx of jobs that will affect the housing market over the next five years.’”
The Olympian in Washington. “Thurston County apartment vacancy rates decreased a bit in the second quarter, according to new data released by Apartment Insights Washington of Seattle, which tracks rental trends. Factors supporting the rental market include the ‘general aversion’ to homeownership, according to Apartment Insights Washington.”
“‘There has been a major shift in attitudes about homeownership,’ the report states. ‘It has become painfully apparent that (home) values can go down as well as up. There is unsold inventory of bank-owned houses that will put downward pressure on values in the coming years.’”
The Seattle Times in Washington. “The troubled condos at Burien Town Square, promoted for years as a catalyst to revive that city’s downtown, will come back on the market early next month after a hiatus of nearly two years, the project’s owner said. Burien City Manager Mike Martin said the city hasn’t been informed of ST’s plans, ‘but it’s welcome news if it’s true. … It’s been obvious to us that they had to revise their pricing or nothing was going to happen.”
The News Tribune in Washington. “Just five years ago, Tom Price and Hyun Um were a Pierce County success story. They had renovated a historic cannery in Puyallup and planned to dot downtown Tacoma with towers of condos. Dozens of Prium buildings are run by receivers. Of Prium’s seven planned condominiums, only two were built. Now they’re apartments, and the company no longer owns one of them. The Winthrop is for sale.”
“In court documents, Price and Um acknowledge the Prium empire grew quickly and broadly but blame their financial trouble on a ‘historic economic downturn, which threatened the ability to refinance the existing secured debts, renew leases, etc.’”
“Condos in Tacoma turned out to be a losing idea. ‘The biggest mistake people made in Pierce County in particular was condo development in downtown Tacoma,’ said Bruce Mann, a University of Puget Sound economics professor who tracks local economic indicators. ‘There were an awful lot of people looking at Tacoma and Pierce County and seeing pieces in place. The demography was changing. Higher-income young professionals were moving in.’”
“Nevertheless, a market analysis released in 2006 and the subject of a News Tribune story at the time showed thousands of people would have to move downtown to justify all the condo development. At the time, reality checks were in short supply. ‘All the pieces were in place with a somewhat vacant downtown, and that was driving a lot of the play,’ Mann said. But ‘condos had never been very successful in Pierce County.’”
You can find a $100,000 condo, but the likelihood of getting financing on it is relatively low
Here’s something really weird: My mortgage company (city) periodically sends me these letters (via UPS not USPS) wit refi offers. The real kicker is this: the letter says that they can refi up to 125% of the house’s value.
I just challenged my assesment again, and got it reduced to 320K (from 335K). Does this mean they are willing to refi up to 400K? I thought that nonsense was supposed to be over.
You can find a $100,000 condo, but the likelihood of getting financing on it is relatively low
So…then…perhaps some sort of Keynesianistic theory would be in order for the finance industry? Make financing harder to get during the boom and easier to get during the bust? That would be the opposite of what we do currently…and it would be like trying to convince a bipolar to take lithium during their mania phase, which is the last thing they want to do.
Far as I can tell the credit monster lives…
I’ve heard that 125% loans are still available. They advertise them on the radio.
Yeah, so much for the “tight credit market.” Just because you have to prove your income/assets, and that you can afford the loan, does not mean the credit market is tight.
Friends of mine said that Tacoma was evolving into a pretty hip arts scene. Somehow, though, this demographic is unlikey to be purchasing $500,000 condos.
Somehow, though, this demographic is unlikey to be purchasing $500,000 condos.
Which is probably what is encouraging the “hip arts scene” in the first place?
Speaking as one of those artistes, let me share a little secret: We’re thrifty, frugal, cheap, whatever you want to call us.
Part of the reason is because our income is so lumpy. You have to bank as much as you can so you can survive between the money-lumps.
Another part of the reason is due to our creativity. We’re the sorts who’d just as soon scrounge things from the side of the road. Buying stuff? That’s for wimps.
Speaking of scrounging, I’m rebuilding my veggie garden with scrounged pieces of busted-up concrete. They were left over from a neighbor’s remodeling project.
‘It has become painfully apparent that (home) values can go down as well as up.’
Well gee…that brings into question all sorts of assumptions, doesn’t it?
From the story:
The Olympian in Washington. “Thurston County apartment vacancy rates decreased a bit in the second quarter, according to new data released by Apartment Insights Washington of Seattle, which tracks rental trends. Factors supporting the rental market include the ‘general aversion’ to homeownership, according to Apartment Insights Washington.”
“‘There has been a major shift in attitudes about homeownership,’ the report states. ‘It has become painfully apparent that (home) values can go down as well as up. There is unsold inventory of bank-owned houses that will put downward pressure on values in the coming years.’”
Recall that Thurston County, Washington was Olympiagal’s stomping, kayaking, and geoduck-hunting ground. And, oh do I miss her funny commentaries on that part of the country.
RIP, Oly!
I miss her too.
I think we all do.
Definitely.
“RIP, Oly”
I thought the same thing.
This is the only blog I read where a member who has passed is actively mourned. That’s indicative of the type of people who’ve added value to this blog since way back when
“The workforce housing ordinance requires developers of large subdivisions to price about 10 percent of new homes or condominiums under $200,000. But rather than the ordinance, the declining market wound up lowering home prices. As of Friday, there were 253 single-family homes, condominiums, townhouses and modular residences priced at $250,000 or less in Bozeman, according to Montana Multiple Listing Services statistics.”
On one hand - we have government policies that make housing very expensive (local/state/federal level).
On the other hand - we have government policies that force people to build “affordable” housing so the government can say “they are doing something”.
If the government would GET OUT of the housing market - there would be lots of affordable housing…
I agree with you on this one, especially the absurdity of the government trying to keep housing unaffordable while promoting “affordable housing” programs.
Second that.
(See, we can all agree about some things!)
Bipartisan tax plan trims mortgage deduction
Yahoo | 7/20/11 | Stephen Ohlemacher - ap
WASHINGTON (AP) — A new bipartisan plan to reduce government borrowing would target some of the most cherished tax breaks enjoyed by millions of families — those promoting health insurance, home ownership, charitable giving and retirement savings — in exchange for lowering overall tax rates for everyone.
Many taxpayers would face higher taxes — a total of at least $1.2 trillion over the next decade, and perhaps more.
The details and impact of the plan, released this week by the bipartisan “Gang of Six” senators, emerged as President Barack Obama called congressional leaders to the White House on Wednesday to determine, in separate meetings, their bottom line for extending the nation’s debt limit while also cutting spending at the greatest amount possible. The role of additional tax revenue remained a sticking point.
About 35 million households claimed the mortgage interest deduction in 2009, and about 36 million households claimed deductions for charitable contributions, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, the congressional scorekeeper on taxes.
The Gang of Six plan does not specify how the tax breaks would be trimmed. Democrats have several proposals that would restrict wealthy families’ use of the breaks, while preserving them for most low- and middle-income taxpayers. Such a plan would offset rate cuts for high-income families by limiting their ability to take advantage of various tax breaks.
For example, current law allows homeowners to deduct the interest they pay on home mortgages of up to $1 million. One proposal would lower the limit to $500,000 and exclude mortgage interest on second homes.
People who can afford $500,000 homes should not be able to deduct the interest paid. In fact, nobody should. Where is the renter credit?
I agree renters should get the credit not the landlord. I personally look forward to owning, but not at two or three times the actual underlying value of a property.
LOL mandatory Obamacare at ANY price deemed by the insurance industry and NO tax deduction.
Even I see the comedy in that…
“A new bipartisan plan to reduce government borrowing would target some of the most cherished tax breaks enjoyed by millions of families — those promoting health insurance, home ownership, charitable giving and retirement savings — in exchange for lowering overall tax rates for everyone.”
This is awesome! How did the Gang of Six come up with something so smart?
Why?
…… because Realtors Are Liars®
I am not a realtor, but do you have a problem with Realtors in general
Remember buy now or you will be priced out forever…
Sorry I meant sell now or you will be priced IN forever…
I get confused anymore - old age?
‘All the pieces were in place with a somewhat vacant
downtowncranium, and that was driving a lot of the play,’I never understood the big deal about condos. They’re just glorified apartments, with all the downsides of both homeownership (locked in, could lose value) and apartment living (no yard, people stomping around on top of you 24/7/365).
The Idaho Statesman article makes a lot of sense to me.
Back at the peak of the bubble, a large proportion of new houses were being sold to out-of-state “investors”. I moved here in 2006 into a new rental house. The property manager I used was primarily a realtor, who discovered there was a lucrative sideline in managing those properties he just sold to said out-of-state investors.
I had no problem talking him into a 6 month lease for $1,025 a month. Five years later, with housing costs way down, Zillow still estimates the present rental value of this same house at $989 a month. http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/12418-W-Winton-St-Boise-ID-83709/79621062_zpid/