July 22, 2011

Exuberance Is So Yesterday

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Imagine trying to sell your home and realizing it just isn’t worth what you thought it was. If two homes are for sale, one for sale by owner and the other by a bank that desperately needs to get rid of foreclosed property, then a buyer will likely choose the foreclosed home because of the deep discounts offered. It can lower the value of other homes in the neighborhood, like Anna and Fred Kirby’s house, which has been on the market for nearly three years.”

“‘We thought it would go pretty fast because it’s a nice built home and it didn’t and we’re still waiting,’ the Kirbys said. But the Kirbys said they just can’t compete with big banks who have to get rid of foreclosures. ‘Its not fair. It’s really not fair but there’s really not a lot I can do about it,’ Anna Kirby said.”

“A 40-year-old Donner Summit ski resort has defaulted on a $16.7 million loan, leaving a controversial housing proposal in considerable doubt. A Bay Area developer, and two partners paid a reported $35 million for the resort in 2005, at around the peak of the property bubble. They quickly charted a plan for 900 residential units on the property. ‘People have dreams, and sometimes dreams happen at the wrong time,’ said Bob Roberts, executive director of the California Ski Industry Association.”

“Wendy and Danny Mulqueen were the first residents to move in to the Carolina Park subdivision, a huge master-planned development where more than 2,000 homes are proposed. That was in early 2009, before Carolina Park became a casualty of the housing meltdown and the development went into foreclosure. Today, the Mulqueen’s home is one of just four, all on the only occupied residential street in the 1,600-acre property.”

“‘I didn’t go out there with the understanding that I’d be one of four. None of us did,’ Wendy Mulqueen said. ‘Hopefully, it will get going again.’”

“Ada and Canyon counties now have a combined 423 golf holes for a population of 581,288. All of the golf growth has come on the western end of the Valley because of the vast supply of open land. Nearly every new course has been tied to housing developments — and that area also is where the Valley’s housing boom thrived in the 2000s. ‘There’s too much golf in the entire Valley. There’s just too much for the demand of what the market has to produce,’ said Jim Brown, the director of golf for Nampa’s two city courses.”

“In its latest farmland survey issued in May, the Kansas City Fed reported that farmland values in its district stretching across southern Plains wheat and cattle areas had soared 20 percent higher than a year ago in the first quarter. ‘That is an incredible increase. I don’t think increases like that are sustainable,’ Joseph Glauber, chief economist at the U.S. Agriculture Department, said in an interview. ‘The real question is whether or not they (land values) are adversely affected. Right now, I don’t think anybody has foreseen big declines in commodity prices.’”

“Chinese property tycoon Tu Haiming is looking to invest in the Prague tourist market and might also expand his Czech quarter concept. Q: Will your Prague project be as ambitious as that of the Czech quarter in Shanghai? A: In China the rule is that when you build a new district, the bigger it is, the more successful it is. The government is ready to invest in infrastructure for bigger projects, build schools or the subway.”

“Q: Was the project profitable? A: Yes. From the moment I sold the first apartment I realized that it was no longer a risk. In the first phase 456 flats were built. People stood in line for three days and the flats were sold in half a day. Part of the area was a sort of show area which is now being turned into flats. There will be 200 flats there and 700 people have already expressed their interest in buying them.”

“Q: Some people say that the bubble in China is even more dangerous than that of the US. What do you say about that? A: The Americans did not correct their bubble. The Chinese government does not want a big bubble and has taken steps to ensure that it does not burst. That’s the difference between the approach of the two governments.”

“The government’s nearly 20-month tightening campaign has resulted in growing inventories of unsold homes and higher mortgage costs — all in a delicate attempt to avoid a property bubble and guide red-hot home prices lower without causing the market to implode and destabilise the economy.”

“‘We will not cut prices in the next six months,’ boldly proclaims Cui Fan, a sales agent from Jingxu Real Estate Development Co, which offers non-furnished residences more than an hour from downtown Beijing at 19,000 yuan, or nearly $3,000, per square metre.”

“By some estimates, China has as many as 64 million apartments that remain unlived in. This is a function of the “ghost cities” phenomenon, in which vast metropoli are constructed with no rhyme or reason. It doesn’t make sense. With so many residences barren and empty, why is the Chinese labor class packed in like human sardines?”

“The vast majority of apartments remain empty. Sold by Ponzi real estate developers… bought by Ponzi investors… a self-sustaining cycle in which prices go up because the buyers are making them go up. It’s the ‘greater fool theory’ in full effect.”

“Here’s a thought: Why don’t Chinese officials just order large price markdowns on these expensive, empty albatrosses, so that the crowded laboring class can move into them and have nice places to live? There is just one big problem with that notion: A wholesale markdown on Chinese real estate, to levels anywhere near what real buyers can afford, would potentially bankrupt China’s property developers… thoroughly outrage the well-connected property investor class… and lead to a full-blown banking crisis as hundreds of billions in loans went bad.”

“The forces that pushed the rise of the debt mountain of the past three decades were global. The policemen of this system remain the same too. There is no value judgement in this. It just IS. For Australia this has meant a profound change to the way in which the economy is funded. No longer can or do the major banks endlessly expand lending with cheap and easy funds from offshore.”

“All of the economists of the old economy continue to see a consumer ready to spring back to life and shower retail and housing with largesse. Perhaps it’s possible. But none of these economists acknowledges that in taking that position, they’re effectively arguing for a seamless transition from an externally funded bubble to an internally funded one.”

“It’s possible. Internally funded bubbles do happen. Look at China.”

“But right now the evidence is very much the opposite. Instead of a resuming a bubble, we have an economy desperately rebuilding its savings because it sees little choice. Whether it’s the systemic global debt crunch or it’s the RBA, exuberance is so yesterday.”

“Alas, we all want a painless solution. We want to find a pill or Band-Aid that will provide immediate relief. But in the world of economic difficulties, economic potions needlessly prolong the ailment, often delay or prevent a cure, and habitually make the situation worse in the long run.”

“The housing slump provides the first example of taking the slow-peeling of the Band-Aid approach. Everyone wanted the government, banks or someone to fix it. Yet, we are still suffering a multiyear decline in housing prices accompanied by steadily rising numbers of foreclosures. The actions to try to keep prices of houses up and to avert foreclosures have only delayed the solution to the housing problem. We have suffered a slow-motion painful decline in housing prices that would have occurred faster without the several monetary and fiscal interventions.”

“We didn’t avoid pain; we just stretched the pain out over more than a few years. The Hippocratic Oath says never to do harm. We are seeing that much of our economic palliatives and potions are ones that do not heal, do not alleviate pain, and cause lasting harm. We need to clean the wound, stitch it up, and get on to real business of healing.”

“With lenders filing foreclosures more slowly and an excess inventory of homes, housing prices could fall another 20 percent next year, says one economist. Gary Shilling, one of the economists who predicted the subprime mortgage crisis, says the ‘depressing effect’ of two to 2.5 million homes in excess inventory will push prices down.”

“‘In the past, almost everyone was sure that house prices would never fall, and on a national level, they hadn’t since the 1930s,’ Shilling wrote. ‘Now everyone knows prices can fall, have collapsed and continue to drop. Who wants to buy an asset that is highly likely to continue dropping in price?’”

“Shilling said a place to live and a great investment ‘are no longer contained in the same package,’ an owner-occupied home.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-07-22 06:42:06

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2011-07-22 09:45:19

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Comment by bink
2011-07-22 17:32:51

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Comment by rms
2011-07-22 23:38:14

I’m still waiting to get out of the moderator’s purgatory.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-07-22 06:42:17

But the Kirbys said they just can’t compete with big banks who have to get rid of foreclosures. ‘Its not fair. It’s really not fair but there’s really not a lot I can do about it,’ Anna Kirby said.”

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It’s Red Meat Friday again folks….. Where TF do I begin with this one?

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-07-22 07:05:35

Check out what the UHS says in that article.

Also: ‘which has been on the market for nearly three years’…

 
Comment by Sarah
2011-07-22 07:09:56

You can’t screw homebuyers as much as you used to. So damn unfair.

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-22 07:30:04

I am so sick and tired of hearing or reading “it’s not fair” I could puke. That what you get when you teach your children that everyone’s a winner. Hey lady, life’s a b!tch get over and on with it.

Comment by scdave
2011-07-22 08:30:54

From Shilling;

a place to live and a great investment ‘are no longer contained in the same package ??…

No Longer ?? When were they ever ??

Its a home…A place to lay your head…Raise your family…Piddle in your garage or garden…Sit by the fire with your best friend…Take pictures and recall memories…

I have never gotten the impetus to buy a personal residence because its going to make you a lot of money…You only find out if you made money when you sell it and if you bought it for the reasons I describe in the above paragraph then that sale date could be a long ways off..

 
Comment by salinasron
2011-07-22 09:36:53

LOL, first to your comment and then thinking about big V.

 
 
Comment by Robin
2011-07-22 19:32:28

Drop your drawers, which you have seemingly chained around your neck!

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-22 07:07:16

A 40-year-old Donner Summit ski resort has defaulted on a $16.7 million loan, leaving a controversial housing proposal in considerable doubt.

I wonder what will happen if they get snowed in during the winter?

Comment by wmbz
2011-07-22 08:40:07

My guess is they will eat each other.

Comment by scdave
2011-07-22 08:54:28

LOL….

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-07-22 09:55:00

Donna Summer skis? Is she any good?

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-07-22 11:40:00

Can’t wait for the “Jim Jones” Water park condos to finally open up…

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-07-22 19:36:12

That area has barely even cracked. Lots and lots of stronger hands holding out, “waiting for the market to turn around.”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-22 08:11:35

“…housing prices could fall another 20 percent next year, says one economist. Gary Shilling, one of the economists who predicted the subprime mortgage crisis, says the ‘depressing effect’ of two to 2.5 million homes in excess inventory will push prices down.”

A man after my own mind!

“‘In the past, almost everyone was sure that house prices would never fall, and on a national level, they hadn’t since the 1930s,’ Shilling wrote. ‘Now everyone knows prices can fall, have collapsed and continue to drop. Who wants to buy an asset that is highly likely to continue dropping in price?’

Gloominess is the new black. Try not to catch yourself a falling knife.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-22 08:13:23

P.S. I don’t know how “excess inventory” relates to “shadow inventory,” but I keep seeing the MSM toss around a figure like 6m in shadow inventory (i.e. homes whose mortgages are in default or otherwise destined to eventually enter the foreclosure pipeline).

Perhaps Gary is sugar coating the situation, just a little?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-22 08:22:20

“Joseph Glauber, chief economist at the U.S. Agriculture Department, said in an interview. ‘The real question is whether or not they (land values) are adversely affected. Right now, I don’t think anybody has foreseen big declines in commodity prices.’”

It might be useful to look back at what happened to U.S. farm prices during the 1920-1940 period.

As to adverse effects, it might be useful to re-read The Grapes of Wrath.

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-22 14:33:59

The heat and current drought are not helping.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-22 08:30:24

“It doesn’t make sense. With so many residences barren and empty, why is the Chinese labor class packed in like human sardines?”

Like in the American real estate market, the equilibration of prices with end-user demand is painfully slow. Those Chinese apartment sellers aren’t planning to just give away 64m units!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-22 08:32:23

“It’s possible. Internally funded bubbles do happen. Look at China.”

So ‘Red China’ is the model for internally-funded bubbles. Is this something to be emulated or to be avoided?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-22 08:33:34

“…exuberance is so yesterday.”

Perhaps it is rationality that is the new black.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-22 08:35:40

“We are seeing that much of our economic palliatives and potions are ones that do not heal, do not alleviate pain, and cause lasting harm. We need to clean the wound, stitch it up, and get on to real business of healing.”

Bargaining phase of the Housing Bubble Stages of Grief noted…

 
Comment by incarnate
2011-07-22 08:56:01

Sounds like chicom party big wigs are probably in big time on their bubble. When just enough people realize its a house of cards, look out. They’ll have to print and gold to 2K. Whole fking planet gone mad.

Comment by Ken Best
2011-07-22 14:17:14

There will be wars, competing for oil and food.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-22 10:38:49

“If two homes are for sale, one for sale by owner and the other by a bank that desperately needs to get rid of foreclosed property, then a buyer will likely choose the foreclosed home because of the deep discounts offered.
It can lower the value of other homes in the neighborhood, like Anna and Fred Kirby’s house, which has been on the market for nearly three years.”

We read again and again about how bank sales of foreclosure homes somehow ‘lowers the value’ of other homes in the neighborhood, but I remain deeply skeptical.

What about the alternative hypothesis that the value of all homes in the neighborhood have gone down due to a reversion to historically prudential lending standards coupled with ongoing labor market weakness? Under this hypothesis, all the homes have lost value; the fact that some owners are unwilling to lower their list price to market value masks this underlying reality.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-23 04:34:53

In this context “value” could be taken to mean what one thinks one’s house is worth. Perception is everything.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-07-22 11:42:07

In China the rule is that when you build a new district, the bigger it is, the more successful it is. The government is ready to invest in infrastructure for bigger projects, build schools or the subway.”

“Q: Was the project profitable? A: Yes. From the moment I sold the first apartment I realized that it was no longer a risk. In the first phase 456 flats were built. People stood in line for three days and the flats were sold in half a day. Part of the area was a sort of show area which is now being turned into flats. There will be 200 flats there and 700 people have already expressed their interest in buying them.”

Where have we seen this before? How did it turn out? Are things different in China?

Comment by Steve J
2011-07-22 14:35:00

I have the feeling it is going to get very ugly very quickly in China.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-22 15:46:46

They’ve got enough cash reserves to keep their market irrational a while yet. But it will eventually get ugly.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-23 04:37:04

Chicken feed, when our Fed can pull 16Tr out of it’s arse and hardly anyone notices.

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