Being part of an HOA is the same as being a renter. When a water leak breaks through your ceiling in the middle of the night and tries to flood your apartment or condo there’s nothing the water department can do without landlord or HOA permission. (I’m renting.)
Unless the water is leaking through the light fixtures. Then it’s a hazard and the fire department comes to fix it.
i will not add another layer if i have any say in the matter.
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Comment by SDJen
2011-07-25 09:58:37
The sky is falling! Wait, that’s just my ceiling.
If this were an HOA situation, they would be special assessing me for this I suppose. Plus I would be on the hook for all the interior cleanup too. Today is a good day to be a renter. Any urge I had to buy a condo has been quashed.
Comment by oxide
2011-07-25 11:30:55
It you owned the house you would be on the hook for all of it too. But at least with your own house, it’s your own house and you’re not at the mercy of the bozos that live around you. And you pay for maintenance only when you need it, not every month.
Basically all our HOA does is tend to the parks in the neighborhood and plow the streets in the winter. They’ll send you a nastygram if you let the dandelions grow in your front yard.
Just hope to see our credit rating down graded as it should be.
Geithner: ‘We’re almost out of runway’ on the debt ceiling
CNN MONEY
Lawmakers rushed Sunday to find a solution to the debt ceiling debate that would provide some measure of certainty for financial markets, even as both sides continued to spar in public.
The ceiling must be raised by Aug. 2. Lawmakers have been negotiating for months, looking for a way to both cut spending and raise the nation’s legal borrowing limit.
Still, there is no clear path forward.
“It’s taken us seven months to get to the place where we are now,” Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union. “We’re almost out of runway. We’re not nowhere, but we’re almost out of runway.”
If Congress fails to raise the $14.3 trillion debt limit, Americans could face rising interest rates and a declining dollar, among other problems.
On Friday, the latest round of talks between House Speaker John Boehner and President Obama collapsed, a development that was announced after U.S. markets closed for the weekend.
Call me paranoid, but it wouldn’t surprise me if we did indeed go into temporary default and the market cratered, thereby allowing the Masters of the Universe to profit from some shorts. And then all of a sudden things get “worked out”, and the markets go up again.
Just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get ya!
Naw, that thinking isn’t paranoid. In fact, I’ll bet a lot of folks are thinking the same thing. Personally I wouldn’t mind using a “market cratering” as an opportunity to go long (for a swing trade).
Speaking of Washington DC craziness, I’m off for a long anticipated vacation. Flight is very early tomorrow, so after today you guys won’t see me for about two weeks - I don’t expect to have access to the internet much or possibly at all. Figured that was long enough to let you all know not to expect me. I’m headed for cooler pastures and waters. Have fun.
A few weeks ago, government was threatened to be shut down. Everyone knew how that played and is expecting the same. At least I do, everything the two parties is doing is just a show. Not worth much thinking, unless they dare not to pass it, that will be something new.
Always been amazed how many believe WFC’s pronouncements of innocence….
Should You Get Only $7000 if Wells Stole Your House?
While it is nice that the Federal Reserve is forcing Wells Fargo to compensate victims of the bad loan origination practices, the penalties seem to fall flat. What about the investors in the loans made by Wells Fargo? Prior to the crisis and many times since, Wells Fargo has trumpeted its pristine reputation and pointed out that it is different from the bad actors in the mortgage market. Many investors relied on these pronouncements of integrity by Wells when investing in mortgage backed securities with Wells Fargo loans. And Wells, which was much more heavily regulated than other banks (although this subsidiary was likely not) no doubt benefitted from the halo effect of being presumed to be under heavier regulatory scrutiny than non-bank subprime originators.
Most market participants had reason to suspect that subprime lenders like Novastar, New Century and Ameriquest were using aggressive and questionable lending tactics and those loans received additional diligence, as a result (of course, it turned out the diligence didn’t help much). It turns out, Wells Fargo used similar tactics, while holding itself out as a superior lender. Assuming the number of loans affected was 10,000 and the average loan balance was about $180,000, the balance of these loans would have been about $1.8 billion. How many mortgage securities contained these loans? How many CDOs did those MBS end up in? How did these bad loans alter the way rating agencies and investors weighted the risk of the deals they reviewed?
It seems reasonable to argue that Wells Fargo’s offenses were worse than the small, reputation-challenged subprime lenders precisely because Wells Fargo claimed to be superior. If Wells engaged in such ugly tactics, it illustrates just how universal the abandonment of underwriting standards and procedures was.
“Q You mentioned earlier that you didn’t do a lot of the crazy things that other banks did. But recently a nonprofit group rated Wells Fargo as one of the largest subprime housing lenders in the country.
A We did some subprime, but we didn’t do a lot of it. … For example, the subprime that we did for our own portfolio was a debt consolidation real estate product out of Wells Fargo Financial. So you already own the home, you have three or four debts you consolidate into one debt, then we made a loan on the home for that consumer. It reduced the payment, it consolidated their bills. It made it more affordable. In fact, that portfolio is one of our best-performing portfolios. We were about $25 billion outstanding in that product.”
“And we don’t ever push to do something that doesn’t make sense. I’ll give you an example. In the early part of this decade, in 2002, 2003 and 2004, layering risk, doing `no-doc’ mortgages, no down-payment mortgages to subprime borrowers, we didn’t do it. Option ARMs, these negative amortization loans, we didn’t do those. We gave up market share. We gave up billions of dollars in originations because it didn’t make sense to us. So we didn’t participate in that, and now when those companies that did that are either gone or in trouble, we’re now able to go out and do business the way we’ve always done it, with our vision and values, and we’re winning new customers because of that. In fact, we shrunk the balance sheet two or three years ago. We couldn’t get the returns”
Are those new Wells Fargo branches or are they rebranding the Wachovia branches as Wells Fargo branches?
Wells Fargo bought Wachovia in ‘08.
And before WF purchased Wachovia, Wachovia had purchased subprime lender Golden West.
I’ll never forget our HBB discussions about that deal, which, ISTR, went down in late 2006. We thought that Wachovia had taken leave of its business sense.
o In January of 2010, the Supreme Court ruled in the case of Citizens United vs. the Federal Election Commission.
• The ruling states that corporate dollars—so-called soft dollars—can be used to fund independent expenditure campaigns.
o This not only changes the way elections are financed at the national level, but it also overturns restrictions that allowed only hard dollars—those funds contributed for political purposes by individuals, rather than corporations—to be used in 23 states.
• This means political fundraising as we have known it for the past 100 years just shifted dramatically.
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• Corporate funds/dues can now be used to shape opinions about candidates in ALL 50 states.
o It is a game changer of gigantic proportions.
• It is as if the goal posts on a 100 yard football field were expanded to now cover 140 yards.
o In order for “The Voice for Real Estate” to have the impact it has had for the past 100 years in terms of political advocacy, the REALTOR® organization is stepping up its game.
• No one has spoken with more power or as passionately about protecting private property rights and fighting for opening the door to the American Dream of Home Ownership than the REALTOR® Family.
o To maintain and grow our political power in this new landscape, NAR launched the REALTOR® Party Political Survival Initiative.
• The REALTOR® Party Political Survival Initiative did not just happen overnight.
• It was the result of nearly a year of careful study and consideration.
You HBB’ers who apologize for the Citizens United debacle should be proud.
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Comment by oxide
2011-07-25 06:08:33
One could argue that the faction with the most money wins. Given the number of starving re-al-TORS and drop in business and dues, where is the NAR going to get the money to buy all this influence?
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-07-25 06:14:26
NARscum® recently raised their dues specifically to fund buying off public servants.
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-25 07:39:36
NARscum® = “TrueRICOimitator$™”
AS it focuses on patterns of behavior IT focuses on patterns of behavior FOCUSES on patterns of behavior ON patterns of behavior PATTERNS of behavior
patterns of behavior
patterns of behavior
patterns of behavior
Actually, they’re laying off worker bees in their national HQ operation. Realtors are independent contractors, so while you can tell them to go away you can’t lay them off.
Now watch who the front line employees are……are they little airhead chicky-poos with cleavage and gamer type guys? That is how you pull off a scam, i never saw an adult type “mortgage professional” at any of these retail locations.
Out here it’s Chase branches that have been popping up like mushrooms. I guess the appeal is that their ATMs are everywhere, unlike my poor crdit union.
Families face a fall in living standards which will be ‘as bad as the 1970s’
By Simon Duke 25th July 2011 Daily Mail UK
Families are facing a crash in living standards as severe as the 1970s, a leading economist has warned.
A grim cocktail of soaring inflation, tax rises and stagnant wage growth will put a huge strain on household spending power, according to the Institute of Fiscal Studies.
Payback time: Households have so far been spared the full brunt of the recession but this is expected to change
It comes as a study shows that the share of national income going to ordinary workers has fallen dramatically over the past 30 years.
Households have so far been spared the full brunt of the downturn after the Labour government cut VAT and ramped up spending in an effort to prevent an economic meltdown.
But with the Coalition’s austerity cuts beginning to hit home, a brutal day of reckoning is in prospect for millions of families, Mr Johnson said.
‘Lower welfare benefits, lower interest income for savers and higher taxes mean that most of the population will share in the pain,’ he added.
‘We have not seen a period like that since the 1970s when rampant inflation and rising unemployment undermined living standards.’
Pugh
According to IFS estimates, the average family will have £360 less to spend this year following a fall of ‘at least’ 1.5 per cent in household income compared with 2008.
But with the prospect of years of paltry wage increases, the squeeze is set to intensify. By 2014, household budgets will ‘almost certainly’ remain below 2008 levels after taking account of inflation, and could ‘quite possibly drop’ to the 2002 level, the IFS warned.
With the economy barely climbing out of recession, salaries will continue to lag behind the rocketing inflation rate, which is running at more than twice the official 2 per cent target.
The Bank of England recently warned that the inflation could soon hit levels not seen since the early 1990s following alarming surges in food and energy costs.
Meanwhile, a study found that those in the bottom half of the earnings range have seen their pay as a share of GDP fall by a quarter – while the richest 1 per cent have seen their share shoot up by more than half.
The inequalities are even more stark once the effect of City bankers’ bonuses are factored in.
The report, Missing Out, by centre-left think-tank Resolution Foundation, said: ‘In 1977, of every £100 of value generated by the UK economy, £16 went to the bottom half of workers in wages; by 2010 it had fallen to £12. Inclusion of bonus payments reduces the bottom half’s share to just £10.’
Workers in the top 10 per cent increased their share of value from £12 to £14 in every £100 (a 22 per cent rise) – more than the whole of the bottom half. The share of the top 1 per cent grew from £2 in 1977 to £3.
The study found that inequality has increased in all sectors of the economy.
Gavin Kelly, chief executive of the Resolution Foundation, said: ‘If these worrying trends continue in the decade ahead, it casts doubt on whether those on low-to-middle earnings will see their living standards rise in line with economic growth.’
Just as an aside, I caught a bit of SNL (don’t watch it much anymore, not all that funny now IMO) last weekend and finally got to see what this Lady Gaga was all about. Recycled disco, complete with the dancer acolytes. Done before, during the 70s. Donna Summer/Cher and all the other disco lady acts. So yeah, maybe we are going back to the future.
With the recent demise of Amy Winehouse (RIP, you talented but troubled soul) came the bloviating about how she’d “influenced” Lady Gaga. In your dreams. Winehouse was the real deal, even though self-destructive.
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Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-25 08:43:43
She’s running the “Cher-Madonna” playbook from “A” to “Z”
Sorta like Taylor Swift is running the “Pre-pubescent, blond-haired blue-eyed Country Singer” plan. (see Tanya Tucker, Leann Rimes for previous version).
Haven’t been paying much attention lately, who is running the “Alice Cooper-KISS-Motley Crue-Marilyn Manson Satanic Influenced Rock Music Program” currently?
Comment by michael
2011-07-25 09:07:17
all i know is…when i was a “tween” i was listening to Kiss and BOC.
now it’s Justin Bieber?
WTF?
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-25 10:22:45
But justin is getting his underage kicks from hangin out with an older woman…selena gomez..
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-07-25 13:33:50
Haven’t been paying much attention lately, who is running the “Alice Cooper-KISS-Motley Crue-Marilyn Manson Satanic Influenced Rock Music Program” currently?
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My Chemical Romance, Panic at the Disco and some of the members of Fallout Boy. There may be an even newer band as well.
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-25 15:04:04
Their first 3 albums were pretty dark lyrically (but fun musically if you can get past the screaming) but My Chemical Romance’s last album, “Danger Days” sounds pretty mainstream. It even has a dance track: Planetary (Go!) and a believe in yourself theme song spotlighted on Glee: “Sing”
My daughter listens to System of a Down…..She hates Justin Bieber. I’ve listened to a few SoaD songs. They’re dark. Some really dark.
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-07-25 16:59:46
I can’t listen to SoaD in the car. At the gym, maybe, but not in the car.
THIS is what we’re seeing, NOT the “deflation” you’ve been hawking for so long. One way to describe deflation is too little money chasing too few goods, and combo has been using examples of money/debt destruction — *poof* — to support the too-little-money side of the equation.
But what if many of those goods are unnecessary? Those unnecessary “goods”** have been going *poof* too. In addition, there IS some money creation when households shack up, which effectively produces extra income. This evens out the equation. Retailers and speculators in necessary goods see this and raise prices on needs to what the market will bear — price inflation — but then globalization comes in kills the matching wage inflation.
It’s not a simple situation, but in the end, a higher % of income will be spent on needs like food, gas, health insurance –> lower standard of living.
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**Extreme examples of unnecessary goods: pirate stores and candle shops. Also unnecessary: vacations, new furniture, new car, impulse buys, and anything bought in the mall.
At the household level, however, the scenario being described will feel much more “deflationary” than “inflationary”. The take away is the reduction in aggregate household purchasing power and the accompanying decline in their standard of living.
The U.S. is facing a crash in living standards as bad as Great Brittain in the 1970s.
Several years ago I ran into an old boss, a guy with an inherently optimistic disposition. I described what I though would happen to the economy and the country as a whole as a result of the debt binge.
“So we’ll be like the UK in the 1970s” he said. “They got over it and recovered, and so will we.”
The guy is of Jewish ancestry, so I didn’t bring up Germany in the 1930s as another possibility.
“The U.S. is facing a crash in living standards as bad as Great Brittain in the 1970s.”
Thanks for the reassurances — I thought it was just my little household’s living standards that were crashing, but now I know that we are all in this together.
This weekend, I did a back of the envelope calculation comparing income and expenses in the late 60s and now. Expenses have increased about 10 times. My middle class income is about 4 times what my father’s was.
ISTM, standard of living has already fallen substantially in the last 40 years. Looking ahead, even if Social Security and Medicare survive the current Republican assault, I expect that they will be virtually worthless in 25 years - when I really need them. Will I be able to save money faster than inflation? Will I be continuously employed for the duration? I suspect the answer to both is no and that my best efforts will end in poverty.
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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-25 11:40:02
“I expect that they will be virtually worthless in 25 years - when I really need them”
All they have to do to “save” SS is eliminate COLAs. Of course 25 years of inflation will do a number on that benefit. Even just 2% inflation would eat way 40% of the value, 3% would consume 53% and 4% inflation would consume 64%.
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-07-25 13:20:11
“I suspect the answer to both is no and that my best efforts will end in poverty.”
You will join me as a co-worker at Walmart. And we will be friends as we have this common bond. It’s an ugly fact that is violently rejected when I suggest this to others. Their self-entitlement is stunning.
I checked on CD rates banks are paying. .02 of one percent does not add up to much. To buy extra checks for my MM account would be over $1 per blank check .Soon we may be paying banks to keep our $$$$$ for us .Like in Japan.
I already pay $5 a month for my checking account. It’s worth it to keep my money away from the vampire squids. I used to have an account with BoA, and with a smaller regional bank, and I couldn’t deposit a check without the teller hawking some product at the window.
Anectodal observations are that the tourist trade is as strong as ever but I haven’t actually discussed with business owners. Hotels, streets and beaches mobbed as always.
Construction- To my surprise, I’m seeing a lot of new starts in existing developments. Lots of Tyvek, trusses and rafters on the horizon. The good news is that Mrs. RAL and I see the billboard price points for new construction dramatically lower. SFR’s starting in the very low $100’s. And not just one billboard either. This is a dramatic shift from the inflated start prices of the bubble years. The common advertised price point seems to be 200-230k for quite nice floor plans. I confidently state that these floor plan were selling in the 325k-350k range during the bubble. Nevertheless, low $200k’s seem to be the broader price point for all housing.
The fact that builders are still building and at much lower price points is not a good sign for the tens of thousands of suckers who bought during the bubble years. I see resale prices in the 300k-$400k range many many miles from the beaches. The delusion runs deep for these resellers. I’m certain Lying Realtors® could cherrypick a sale outside the range to support their lies but generally speaking, the *active* price is dramatically lower in a general sense. The homedebtors attempting to resell reminds me of young bucks who buy brandy new spankin cars and trucks and sink thousands of dollars in aftermarket “stuff” into them and can’t figure out why they can’t squeeze their money back out of them. Sucks to be you resellers.
We’ll do some driving/looking/surveying later to validate what we’ve observed thus far. It’s beachtime for the RAL’s at the moment.
“…..not a good sign for the tens of thousands of suckers……”
As we predicted. Builders will be selling equivalent new-build houses for 1/3 to 1/2 the price of stuff sold in 2003-2006. Same thing is happening around here, although construction is still way down vs. 2005 and 2006.
Not in DC. Stuff might be lower than it was, but still wish-priced. The only sub-$100K you’ll find within 50 miles are converted condos where the HOA is probably as much as the mortgage.
I stopped looking in Falls Church because of the illegal aliens. However, in 2009 you could find roach infested 800 sq ft condozes at around $100K. Great commuting location. Too bad.
Warning, this post is grossly off topic (but at least still financially related).
I bought a car this weekend, and, although I was intending to purchase the car, I came out of the transaction with a lease. I got all the numbers from the dealer and went home and crunched the numbers for hours, and I just wanted to run it past the folks here to see if I’m missing something (or I’m just stupid). This is the first time I’ve ever leased a car.
Basically, the thing that pushed me to lease was that, after running all the numbers, it seems like the dealer/manufacturer is giving me a “free put option” and a subsidized interest rate to take a lease (instead of buy). The sale price of the car didn’t change (between lease/buy) and the money factor on the lease was very low (about 1% interest, when converted); a loan would have been 2.9%.
So, here’s the question. I don’t see how it would ever be better (even if you intend to actually buy the car) to purchase rather than lease (assuming you can buy the car out at the end of the lease with cash). The interest rates are lower on the lease, there’s a built in “put option” (in case the car loses a dramatic amount of value over the term of the lease) and that option also allows you to buy the car at a specific price 3 years in the future. Also, the sales tax (at least in my state) is spread over the term of the lease, which, should you choose not to purchase, is also an advantage vs. buying the car (because if you buy, you pay all the sales tax up front, and don’t get it back when you sell it).
Please let me know what everyone’s opinion on this is. I’m not really looking for “leasing is for people who can’t afford their cars”, I could have bought the car for cash (but you’d have to be nuts to do so with the interest rates offered on new cars today), so it wasn’t an affordability thing. I’m just interested in what others think about the financial innards of a lease, and, is the dealer in fact giving away a subsidized interest rate and a free put when they do a lease (and, if so, why)?
This reminds me of David Learah’s oft-mocked quote that “if you have a paid-off house, then you didn’t manage your finances correctly.”
But cars are cheaper and depreciate, so maybe renting a car is good deal. I personally like to own stuff outright when I can, even if it costs a little more, just for the peace of mind, but your milage may vary.
I’ve always owned my cars in the past. It was really surprising to me when I ran the numbers and really looked at both options (I never really even considered leasing, the sales guy put together both contracts and said “Take them home and look them over, it doesn’t matter to me either way”. Only after really crunching the numbers did I realize that the lease really did seem to be the better deal (lower interest rate with a guaranteed value in 3 years).
What hits you is the extra miles fees and any damage at the end of the lease.
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Comment by Overtaxed
2011-07-25 07:15:40
Darrell,
That makes sense, and it’s something I didn’t figure in (damage charges; extra miles aren’t much of a concern, I don’t drive that much).
But isn’t the damage really a wash? If you keep the car, it’s still damaged. And if I bought it (and traded it in) I’d still lose value because my front bumper has been hanging off for the least 10K miles?
Comment by liz pendens
2011-07-25 07:22:17
Marriages should come with “put option”.
Comment by Overtaxed
2011-07-25 07:34:34
Prenup = Put Option
Comment by Steve J
2011-07-25 08:16:51
Don’t forget trying to get out of a lease may be extremely difficult.
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-25 09:02:16
So is getting out of making payments on a purchase.
Actually a similar deal as the buying vs. renting arguments on a home. You are leasing the best 3-4 years that car is ever going to have. As long as you understand the money games that they can play with leases, you can actually do okay.
Just remember, the price you negotiate a lease at doesn’t have to be MSRP.
Which is part of the problem with our country today. You have to be a lawyer/accountant to get the best deal on a cellphone contract, much less purchasing a car.
And back in the day, making a bad purchase decision was just a minor pain, not something that would put you in the poorhouse.
Comment by Overtaxed
2011-07-25 09:20:32
X-GS,
I agree with you. Leases are MUCH harder to figure out. I actually took all the paperwork home for an evening and sat down with all the numbers. I think I did pretty well, but, at the same time, it’s much more complicated than a straight purchase. And yes, first you negotiate the price (cap cost) and then you start to look at the lease; dealers always want you to be a “how much a month” buyer. You need to explain to them that you’re interested in the sale price, and that you understand that, once sale price is established, everything else is just a formula (albeit a difficult one with leases).
The sale price for the new car was about 5K under sticker; that’s about average for this vehicle.
This is the first vehicle that I’ve ever personally leased (I’ve helped my SO do it in the past). And, if my math actually turns out to be true, I think I’ll always be leasing (or buying my cars out of lease) in the future. That “free put” option is really very attractive to me, it removes all unexpected depreciation risk from the get go; and, should the car not depreciate as much as expected, you (the buyer) keep the upside. Also, the sales tax is all deferred, which is another nicety of a lease (so it’s spread across multiple years and you don’t pay for the entire car). Finally, add in the insanely low subsidized rates (money factor), and I just don’t see much/any disadvantage (assuming you keep the car to term, others are correct, getting out a lease can be painful).
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-25 11:38:06
Dealers like leases,mainly because they can play all kinds of games with the “How much a month?” crowd.
In confusion, there is profit.
OTOH, if you undertand the terms, and get the best deal, leases aren’t really that bad a way to go. If for no other reason, if you end up with a lemon (rare), or don’t like the car for some reason, you can just walk at the end of the lease.
You’d have been in real good shape if you were coming off a 3-year lease of a Honda Civic in the summer of 2008.
Like houses, sometimes car “ownership” is overrated.
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-07-25 13:42:23
I think leasing is just fine.
Just manage miles. Damage charges are rare in my experience. I had a friend actually get in a relatively severe collision in his leased car, had it repaired, and they didn’t charge him any extra damage charges.
That was from Lincoln and I’ve heard the same about Acura. Not sure about the others.
In my opinion, daily driver cars become essentially worthless after about 10 years at 15k a year, so you get 4-5 years of savings. With a good lease you are paying only 50% of the purchase price, so you come out behind, but not really that far.
If you could buy it for cash your actual interest rate is the opportunity cost of keeping the cash in a perfectly safe savings alternative for the term of the lease. That sounds like a 3 year CD to me. What can you get for that? 1%? And you have to pay tax on it, so more like 0.7%. If the lease comes out to less than that interest rate, you are fine.
Analysis changes if you can pull of the lease as entirely business expense or you really need to keep the cash around. Remember, you can’t do your analysis with a stock market rate of return. You are comparing buying with leasing and absolutely guaranteed buying the car at the end of the lease. No putting the money any place where you might lose your principle.
Oh, and borrowing money at low rates is just paying more for the car. I remember when you used to be able to choose which you wanted - $2000 cash back or the good financing deal.
The only advantage I see is if you happen to get a crummy car whose defects aren’t covered by warranty. If lots of stuff starts to go wrong right around the time the lease is up youhave that “put” option.
Thanks for that; seems like my analysis followed yours pretty closely. If you look at the actual interest rate I’m paying, it’s just about 0% (the cash is making almost exactly the same rate as the loan would be).
Yup, that’s exactly what I was thinking, it’s like buying the car but making the dealer give me a guaranteed price they will pay to buy it back in 3 years. Also, it has some sales tax advantages for me (in FL) because the taxes are “per payment” instead of all upfront (I deduct my sales tax, we don’t have state income taxes).
I’m worried about the “crummy car” scenario (the new car is a Jaguar, I love the styling and the performance, but their reliability has left a “bit” to be desired over the past decade), and also kind of worried about the residual value of the car. The way I see it, I’m paying the lease (instead of purchase) to guarantee that the residual won’t tank.
I used to be 100% pro buying a car. Until this past Friday when I was changing the brake pads and rotors on my 99 Jetta and remembered when I was knee deep in grease that when I last did it I stripped the screw head holding the rotor on the hub for the wheel I started on. I distinctly recall saying to myself, “oh well, I won’t be replacing the brakes next time, I won’t have the car that long!”
Doh.
So instead of drilling/extracting the screw and risk further damage (that kind of week), I’m taking it in.
Anyway, for the same cost, unless I anticipated massive inflation in the next three years, I’d consider leasing as well. Acutally, I might head off to the dealership this afternoon to check out a GTI.
The reason that the lease has the “free put” option on it is the dealership knows you’ll have to step foot into the dealership in three years, where you may lease another vehicle or buy the one you’re returning outright.
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Comment by Overtaxed
2011-07-25 08:33:16
Chile,
That makes sense; they will provide you the “put” because they see it as a good chance that if you exercise the put, you’ll be buying another car with them anyway.
And, that put option, while often correctly priced, sometimes is incredibly valuable. Imagine if you leased a H2 Hummer 5 years ago!?! I’m sure the residual on a 3 year lease was probably about 40%; when the car was turned in, the residual was probably actually about 25%. And, if you’re getting ready to turn in and the actual residual is higher, then you’ve gotten some “free equity” in the car.
That’s exactly the reason I leased this car. I love the looks, and it’s a lot of fun to drive. But I’m terrified of it being a maintenance disaster and depreciating to nothing because of problems with the model. So far, it’s doing pretty well (reviews of it’s quality), but it’s only been out for 1 year. We’ll see if the “Jag gremlins” slip in there in Y3 and beyond of ownership.
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-07-25 11:40:44
Why do the British drink warm beer?
Because they own Lucas refrigerators.
Lucas, aka “The Prince of Darkness”
Sorry, you just reminded me of all the old Lucas/English car jokes.
Comment by Steve J
2011-07-25 12:19:42
I thought Jauguars were made by that Indian company Tata?
I guess you can get outsourced to them and buy one of thier cars in the same day!
Yes. But, because Jag’s have been SO bad in recent years, they actually cover everything (oil changes, wiper changes, brakes.. Pretty much every single part except the tires) under the warranty (so, no additional costs to take it to the dealer).
Wish me luck. I buy me cars based on looks (sold my MB CLS to buy this car), and, typically, that doesn’t work out too well for me. They look great, but cost a ton of money to keep on the road and depreciate like you lit them on fire.
Aren’t low end Jags basically Fords? I know that the fancier ones they profile in shows like Top Gear are different.
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Comment by Overtaxed
2011-07-25 11:35:11
I don’t think so (not anymore anyway), they are owned by Tata now. So, they are actually 5K Indian cars underneath. The Ford years were the dark years for Jag; the lower end models were actually a Taurus (IIRC) with a fancy skin on it. Today, AFAIK, they are actually unique rolling chassis from other vehicles on the road (similar to MB/BMW/etc).
In a nutshell, with a lease you are doing two things
1) Paying interest on the entire value of the car. @1% interest that shouldn’t be two bad.
2) Paying down the estimated depreciation on the car over the lease period.
#2 is where things can get interesting. Factory leases often deliberately underestimate the depreciation of the lease as a way of discounting the vehicle. I leased cars in the past and they were never worth close to the residual value at the end of the lease. Of course in that case if you buy the car at the end of the lease, you’ve overpaid for it. But if you don’t buy it then you’ll probably wind up with another lease.
I bought an -06 Mazda 3, for $8000, financed $5k at $149 a mo for 3 years. Better than leasing and mine has 75k miles on it. Fun to drive, great mpg, lots of room, sunroof, 6 cd player… what else do you need?
4WD/AWD, high ground clearance, long enough vehicle that roof rack can hold 16′ kayaks stably…
I’m trying to force myself to “downgrade” to a Subaru Forester (yea, not the most manly vehicle I know) vs a Toyota 4runner. I’m not a fan of the newer 4runners (2003+) as they’ve gotten longer and wider…
I wish I could get a more fun car like your mazda3, but it just doesn’t fit my lifestyle…
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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-25 13:51:09
If you get a Forester, get the turbo model. You’ll thank me later. Or not. If you like fun cars you will. And they have a lot of potential if you want to make them *really* fun.
And they have a lot of potential if you want to make them *really* fun.
Yeah, but I’m looking for an offroad vehicle, not a track vehicle.
I would love the turbo over the NA 4-cylinder, but sadly the gas mileage is low enough that I might as well just buy the 4runner at that point. At least with the 4runner I don’t need to buy premium gas…
Wait until your lease ends and they hit you up with ding fees, over-mileage fees, spot-on-the-upholstery fees, wear-and-tear fees, hyperbaric interometer taxes…this on top of all the non-warranty money you’ve spent to get the thing running properly in the first place.
And what if you decide you actually LIKE the thing and want to keep it? Leasing a new one requires all those deposits, prep fees, first-and-lasts, etc., all over again. Do you have that kind of money lying around every three years?
Can you please clarify the statement “you’ll end up buying it twice”?
I’ve always purchased my cars, this is the first lease I’ve ever personally done, by my fiance has always leased. We’ve never had any trouble during turn in (with the exception of over mileage charges, but that’s a known quantity).
I’m more interested in the “what if I actually like it” scenario. Turning it in is just turning it in; but, IMHO, what it looks like they are doing with the lease is giving me an option to turn it in 3 years from now, OR buy it at a set price. If the value is way below the set price, I can negotiate (if I want to keep it) or turn it in. If it’s way above, I can buy it and sell it (or keep it). That’s really the aspect that I’m most interested in.
It’s been over 10 years since I last leased a car, and other than mileage overage I never did get dinged with ding fees. For all I know they’re a lot stricter now.
Houses and cars are so different that you can’t really make a comparison. How do you place a dollar value on a mobile asset vs. an immobile asset? A chick magnet vs. a nest-er magnet?
“TrueBambooLie™” + follow/investigate them foreigners!
The investigation follows a blog post last week by an American woman who lives in Kunming in Yunnan province, who stumbled across three shops masquerading as bona fide Apple stores in the city. She took photos and posted them on her BirdAbroad blog.
China officials find 5 fake Apple stores in 1 city:
AP News
The proliferation of the fake stores underlines the slow progress that China’s government is making in countering a culture of a rampant piracy and widespread production of bogus goods that is a major irritant in relations with trading partners.
Sooooo, they can shut down a website or block an online article at a moment’s notice, but they can’t shut down five stores operating in plain sight?
Ya, sure, right. As time passes one’s jaw drops at the sheer mountain of bald faced contradictions we are being asked to believe with regards to the TrueBambooLie a.k.a the Enchanted Land of On Demand GDP Growth.
I’ve heard that a lot of those factories that make “authentic” stuff (esp. in apparel) make extras that are sold other wise… so it’s an open question in my mind as to what exactly you’d be getting.
No it’s authentic. There is a HUGE grey market dealing with Apple products that are originally sent to Hong Kong and other jurisdictions, bought there, smuggled across the border into China.
And Apple knows about this. No way they don’t. I think they make a lot of sales volumes by virtue of this channel. If they sell one iPhone via their stores or authorized carrier in China, I am sure there are 4 others that are grey market.
There are a lot of knock offs sold as well, but I’m talking about genuine Apple products. Anyone will know the difference after playing with it for 2 minutes, tops. Many of the accessories (chargers, docks, cases etc) are knock offs but the actual device is most likely the real deal.
This is not just Apple. There are dozens of stores bathed in Nikon and Canon colours that are not authorized resellers. It’s the way it operates.
I feel for Obama, as he tried his best to bargain in good faith with people whose game plan was apparently to scuttle any and all potentially viable agreements, in order to call Obama’s leadership into question and to ramp up the risk of renewed financial havoc just before the onset of 2012 presidential election season; presumably the Republicans assume the U.S. voter is not smart enough to refrain from blaming the President for everything that goes wrong with the economy.
Obama did his best to appeal to forge a bipartisan measure that would further the greater good of the Nation and was roundly rebuffed for his efforts. The expression on his face in the photo which accompanies the linked article speaks volumes.
The prospect of America defaulting on its debts edged closer last night after the fraught negotiations between President Barack Obama and top Republicans collapsed.
President Barack Obama listens to a question during a news conference in the East Room of the White House in Washington
Rumours that President Obama was prepared to relent on tax rises provoked a furious response from Democrats. Photo: AP
By Richard Blackden, US Business Editor
12:00PM BST 23 Jul 2011
John Boehner, the top Republican in Congress, pulled out of negotiations with the White House late on Friday, saying that he and President Obama “couldn’t connect.” President Obama has summoned Congressional leaders to The White House for a meeting scheduled for 4pm (BST) today aimed at reviving talks on what’s expected to be the hottest weekend of the year in Washington.
In his weekly video address to America on Saturday, President Obama renewed his appeal for Democrats and Republicans to “work together” on a deal, but refused to back away from new tax demands on the wealthiest.
“Before we cut medical research, we should ask hedge fund managers to stop paying taxes at a lower rate than their secretaries,” he said. “Before we ask seniors to pay more for Medicare, we should ask the wealthiest taxpayers to give up tax breaks we simply cannot afford under these circumstances.”
But President Obama also stressed the need for compromise:
“We can come together for the good of the country and reach a compromise [...] or we can issue insults and demands and ultimatums at each another, withdraw to our partisan corners, and achieve nothing,” he said.
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Funny how no one really talks about Bush running up the debt, cutting revenue then here we are now and the GOP wants to pay for it with cuts to social programs?? Too bad the debt was all spent outside of America.
I feel for Obama, as he tried his best to bargain in good faith with people whose game plan was apparently to scuttle any and all potentially viable agreements
so somehow you know exactly what O’s intentions are, and what the repub and dem congresscritters are?
The New York Times
Shares Down on U.S. Debt Talks
By CHRISTINE HAUSER
Published: July 25, 2011
The lack of a deal to raise the debt limit in the United States weighed on financial markets on Monday as the process to avoid a default dragged on, shaking the confidence of investors.
Stocks in the United States opened lower, with the major indexes falling more than 1 percent in early trading, following declines by markets in Europe and Asia.
The Dow Jones industrial average was down 133.02 points, or 1.05 percent, within the first half hour of trading, with the broader Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index and the Nasdaq also falling 1 percent. All three indexes later retraced part of their declines.
Little progress was reported over the weekend in the negotiations between President Obama and Congressional Republicans, although few investors believe that the United States will ultimately renege on its debt.
Still, the apparent stalemate unsettled investors. Treasuries were trading lower. As the benchmark 10-year price fell, yields were up 6 basis points to 3.02 percent.
“Investors are becoming leery of Washington’s ability to come to an agreement on a debt deal, which in turn, raises the debt ceiling before the Treasury’s Aug. 2 ‘drop dead’ date on the U.S.’s ability to pay its commitments,” said Kevin H. Giddis, the executive managing director and president for fixed-income capital markets at Morgan Keegan & Company, in a research note.
“The world owns our debt and wants to continue to hold it as long as we can find a way to keep issuing what was once considered, and likely still is, the safest debt on the planet,” Mr. Giddis wrote.
The gridlock in Washington was taking place alongside a debt crisis in Europe, where a bailout package for Greece was agreed to last week. On Monday, Moody’s Investors Service downgraded Greek debt again.
Investors have driven gold above the $1,600 per ounce mark in recent days amid the uncertainty.
“With little optimism on U.S. debt talks at the moment, the gold price acutely reflects investor nervousness that limited progress will be made before the Aug. 2 deadline,” Edel Tully, a strategist at UBS, wrote in a research note. “This nervousness is in many ways justified as the threat of a U.S. ratings downgrade is very real.”
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Western sovereigns teetering on the brink of default is great for gold prices!
Metals Stocks Archives
July 25, 2011, 10:46 a.m. EDT Gold hits record as U.S. debt talks grind on
Greece downgrade also pushes buyers to perceived safety of bullion
By Claudia Assis and Virginia Harrison, MarketWatch
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Gold futures traded in record territory Monday as U.S. debt-ceiling talks to avert a default continued, with little to indicate progress toward a deal, and as a debt-ratings agency further downgraded Greece.
Gold for August delivery GC1Q +0.85% gained $13.20, or 0.8%, to $1,614.90 an ounce on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange. It traded as high as $1,624.30 an ounce earlier.
Protracted U.S. debt-limit negotiations and concerns about Europe’s sovereign-debt crisis have pushed gold to a string of high marks in recent sessions, the latest of which a nominal record of $1,602.40 an ounce a week ago.
Adjusted for inflation, gold would have to settle at around $2,400 an ounce to supplant a record around $850 an ounce reached in January 1980.
While the deadlock in U.S.talks took center stage on Monday, Greece’s further downgrade also contributed to investors’ run to assets deemed as safer.
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We have heard numerous reports about how a failure to agree on a debt ceiling increase would result in higher Treasury yields, yet they are plunging this morning.
Max Keiser: Obama financially lynched by racist GOP
Russia Today
Ho ho, hah hah, hehehehehehe, BwaHaHaAhHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower™)
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The channel is government-funded but shapes its editorial policy free from political and commercial influence. Our dedicated team of news professionals unites young talent and household names in the world of broadcast journalism.)
Hey Lil’ Opie…the “Posse” is a-comin’ and theys is a Truly Angry son!… the ““TruePathtoPro$perity™” / “TrueGridLok™” / “TrueAnger™” PeeParty tea toadlers have…“recruited and incredibly diverse army of thugs (characterized by The conniving State Attorney General Hedley Lamarr as ideally consisting of):
“rustlers, cutthroats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperadoes, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, half-wits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswagglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass kickers, shit kickers - and Methodists” …in addition to nearly every other kind of stock movie villain) into an ambush against ya.
They won’t be interested in hiring you unless you have domain knowledge in avionics. Which is why everyone complains that there’s “no one to hire”. It doesn’t matter if you’re a good programmer, unless you’ve worked on a very similar project before they aren’t interested.
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Comment by cactus
2011-07-25 13:23:35
I think they like to hire new graduates , we interviewed one here last week, clueless guy with a Masters in EE
After the ineterview I was told not many applicants are sending us resumes, I ask ” its a recession whats up”
I was laughed at and told not in this field, electronics Engineering mostly physical layer fiber optics.
So along with the 400-500K homes that sell quickly around here and not being able to hire engineers at 100K I beleive I live in a parrellel universe far away from all the terrible news I keep hearing. My wife doesn’t even beleive anymore that there is a recession because all she sees new cars and crowded starbucks.
I should ask for a raise huh ?
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-25 13:37:40
“My wife doesn’t even beleive anymore that there is a recession because all she sees new cars and crowded starbucks.”
Like I said above, DC exists in its own reality, unaffected by things that affect the rest of the country.
” and not being able to hire engineers at 100K”
Out here in the real world 100K is what a principal engineer gets paid, not some green behind the ears snot nosed kid.
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-25 13:48:51
Exactly. I got lucky twice that the current job hired me. First that they hired me for a position that involved lots of stuff that I didn’t know yet. Second that next time I have to look for a job I’ll know all that stuff, too.
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-25 13:55:28
Out here in the real world 100K is what a principal engineer gets paid, not some green behind the ears snot nosed kid.
Storage might be a little better. I think my tech lead at my last job was at ~150k based on when he casually mentioned he was done paying SS that year. He was *very* good and critical to the company, though.
HOMESJULY 25, 2011
TV Home Shows Flip Scripts
Amid Real-Estate Bust, Reality Programs Turn Attention to Foreclosure Deals
By LAUREN A. E. SCHUKER
Where are the hundreds of thousands of foreclosed homes in the U.S. ending up? On reality television.
This summer and fall, several TV networks are unveiling reality shows about buying foreclosed houses as a way to reinvent the popular “house flipping” formula, which proliferated in cable programming alongside the real-estate boom.
This would be hilarious if it weren’t completely disgusting.
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Spike’s new show, “Flip Men,” follows its two hosts, Doug Clark and Mike Baird, as they attend auctions of foreclosed houses and buy up the properties—often sight unseen—and hope they get lucky.
Mr. Clark and Mr. Baird have bought houses where the interior is covered in mold and feces, infested by rats and, in some cases, still inhabited by angry—and sometimes violent—occupants. They also have purchased homes that vagrants have moved into and turned into methamphetamine labs, as well as houses that gangs have overtaken. In order to recoup their costs, they must fix up the homes as quickly as possible—and then attempt to resell them.
“These programs are like the ultimate game show because you don’t know what’s behind that door before you buy the house,” said David Broome, executive producer of Spike’s “Flip Men.”
“These programs are like the ultimate game show because you don’t know what’s behind that door before you buy the house,” said David Broome, executive producer of Spike’s “Flip Men.”
As my former landlady used to say, “That’s exactly right.”
She should know. Former LL bought a foreclosed property on the courthouse steps in December 1998.
Said property had two houses on it, and she was still bringing them back up to snuff when we chatted on Thanksgiving Day 2005.
is obama the 1st prez to intentionally try and spook the markets?
is he the 1st prez to threaten that the markets will spook if he doesn’t get his way?
geitner and obama both say that we need a 2.4T increase to get past the elections, is that what a treas secretary should do?
i would prefer a prez that instilled confidence and a treas sec that doesn’t think the #1 issue is to go 2.4T deeper in debt in 1 step to get past the election
reagan had to go thru this 18 times, thats more than twice a year, but you guys are right if we aren’t willing to give obama permission to spend 2.4T to get him past his election then we are RACISTS, color me racist please
Ten-year bond rates up a whopping 0.02% (almost to 3%!!!!). GASSSPPPP!!! What are we going to do about the Debt ceiling and our credit rating??? The pain must be stopped!
Really! It appears the fear mongers who claimed Treasury yields would skyrocket if no agreement was reached on the debt ceiling were completely off base.
They are betting on an 11th hour compromise, even if it’s only a stop gap measure.
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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-25 10:39:44
I thought the 11th hour was July 22nd, but apparently the day of reckoning can be postponed.
Comment by liz pendens
2011-07-25 10:53:43
*They reserve the right to change any rule (including utimatums) at any time at the discretion of the Banksters and corrupt government. Its in the fine print. Elevated fear-levels will be maintained at all cost.
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-25 11:00:09
They can pass a stop gap bill raise to the ceiling, while they continue to fight over the budget.
Comment by howiewowie
2011-07-25 11:05:04
They can vote next weekend and get any sort of bill to Obama to sign by Monday. That would be the 11th 3/4 hour, but still enough time. I suspect that is what will happen.
At the start of the year, home builders were cautiously optimistic about their prospects for 2011. Home prices were picking up, prompting some builders to buy additional land and start to plan new communities.
What a difference a few months can make. The spring buying season—typically the strongest season for home sales—ended with a thud. Builders are now backtracking on the land deals and some prices have started to fall again.
With the downturn in its fifth year, some building executives say they thought things would be better by now. After all, families with kids in elementary and middle school when the downturn hit now have teenagers on their hands, causing some entry-level family homes to bust at the seams. While some of those families are buying, many others are choosing to stay cramped up rather than move up.
“There have certainly been some bumps in the road,” said Doug Yearley, chief executive of Toll Bros. Inc., the nation’s largest luxury builder.
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Now comes more troubling news: NVR Inc., long considered the industry darling because it managed to earn money during the downturn, reported a weak second quarter on Thursday. Profit slid 46% from a year earlier, dragged down as home closings tumbled 34%.
Particularly concerning is what NVR’s results might say about the Washington, D.C., market. That is NVR’s home market, and it had been one of the nation’s strongest performers. Unlike much of the rest of the nation, house prices in Washington and its suburban Virginia and Maryland neighbors were rising and foreclosures in many communities were relatively low.
But NVR, based in Reston, Va., said orders declined in the mid-Atlantic region, which includes Maryland. According to Raymond James Equity Research, the Washington area’s existing-home sales slumped 19% from a year earlier in June, compared with 8.8% nationwide.
[CORPWEEK] William Brown
‘Builders are going to disappoint investors because they’re going to continue to lose money,’ says a Housing Research Center analyst.
Industry watchers are now trying to figure out whether NVR’s performance signals further pain ahead for housing, or if Washington-area buyers are simply nervous over the debt-ceiling debate and scared about the possibility of government layoffs.
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(CNN) — It’s back to the drawing board for Democrats and Republicans.
The two sides failed to come to an agreement on raising the debt ceiling and reducing the deficit over the weekend.
Now both Democratic and Republican congressional leaders are expected to unveil new plans today.
This morning, a former under secretary for the U.S. Treasury Jay Powell told CNN it’s crucial for lawmakers to come to a deal and avoid a government default.
“I have spent a lot of time with members of both parties and leadership in both parties. Yeah, they do get it. The issue is that they’re trying to do something really, really hard here. And, you know, we’re not looking very functional right now from a political standpoint.
But it’s not because people up there on the Hill don’t understand how important it is that we avoid any kind of default. Not just a bond default, which is so unlikely, but defaulting on our benefits payments to seniors or disabled or the elderly. It’s just not something we should do as a country. And I do think the leadership is committed to avoiding that,” said Powell.
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Just think. When they announce a miraculous solution in the next few days, we will get some new “heros” out of this. Yes, the Congressmen and Senators who saved the World will be heralded as the true heros of our difficult time. Book deals? Awards?
UAW wants bigger cut of Detroit’s newfound profits
By DEE-ANN DURBIN and TOM KRISHER
AP Auto Writers
Posted on Mon, Jul. 25, 2011 10:26 AM
To help American carmakers stay in business, autoworkers grudgingly gave up pay raises and some benefits four years ago.
Now that General Motors, Ford and Chrysler are making money again, workers want compensation for their sacrifice. Just how much they get is the central question hanging over contract talks that start this week between Detroit and one of the nation’s largest and most powerful unions.
The negotiations, the first since Chrysler and GM took government aid and emerged from bankruptcy, will set wages and benefits for 111,000 members of the United Auto Workers, including those at Ford, which avoided bankruptcy by taking out massive private loans. The UAW’s four-year contracts with the Detroit Three expire on Sept. 14.
There’s more at stake than pay. After the industry’s brush with financial ruin in 2008 and 2009, both sides know how quickly Detroit’s sales and profitability could vanish. Sales are on pace to reach nearly 13 million cars and trucks this year, better than the 10 million in 2009, but still below the 17 million peak in 2005. Americans are worried about buying cars when wages and the job market are weak. The workers and Detroit companies can’t leave themselves vulnerable to rivals.
“Management’s not the enemy at this point,” says Jim Graham, a longtime local union president in Lordstown, Ohio, where workers make the Chevrolet Cruze car. “The enemy is the competition.”
Even so, the talks won’t be easy. Chrysler, which is run by Italian automaker Fiat, wants to hold the line on wages and benefits, while GM and Ford want to cut labor costs even more. There’s friction inside the union, too. Many workers are eager to get a share of company profits and restore pay raises and some benefits given up during the financial crisis.
“You want to get something back,” says Hans Smith, a worker at GM’s pickup plant in Flint, Mich., who knows they won’t get back all the concessions.
KISSIMMEE, Fla. — Authorities say two people were injured when their water scooter hit a sea wall near Cypress Cove Nudist Resort in Kissimmee.
An Osceola County Fire Rescue spokeswoman says the crash happened just before 8 p.m. Sunday. A man and a woman, both 62, were taken to Orlando Regional Medical Center.
A receptionist at the nudist resort says the man and woman were guests at Cypress Cove and had borrowed the watercraft from another guest. She says they were wearing their birthday suits while riding the scooter.
Witnesses told authorities the scooter was going about 40 mph before the crash.
Officials say the man suffered two broken arms and a cut on his head. The woman was treated and released. Their names were not immediately available.
This may be the plan: Congress to act first on a short-term extension of the debt limit that would give the Treasury about $900 billion in additional borrowing authority — enough to pay the nation’s bills only through early next year. That would be paired with about $1.2 trillion in cuts to government agencies, including the Pentagon, over the next decade. Under the plan, Congress would also create a 12-member committee staffed with lawmakers from both the House and Senate and tasked with identifying at least $1.6 trillion in additional savings by a deadline set for later this year. We’ll soon find out.
. As Arthur Brooks writes in today’s Wall Street Journal, “This is not a political fight between Republicans and Democrats; it is a fight against 50-year trends toward statism. Also, it’s a moral fight, not an economic one. And this is not a fight anyone can win in the 15 months from now to to the presidential election. It will take hard work for at least a decade.”
Brooks argues that no one deserves voter support in his/her run for high political office unless that candidate is willing to work for as long as it takes to “win the moral fight to steer our nation back toward enterprise and self-governance..” {Brooks is President of the American Enterprise Institute.)
Why can’t we default on the Fed only? That alone should save us close to 2T.
That’s the worst possible option, as that’s truly monetizing the debt.
The Fed simply printed those dollars. It’s not coming from elsewhere in the economy. At that point we might not even “pretend” by having the fed buy bonds and collect the interest. We might as well just let the treasury print at will…
South African Man Wakes After 21 Hours in Morgue Fridge
July 25, 2011 | Associated Press
JOHANNESBURG – A South African health official says a man awoke to find himself in a morgue fridge — nearly a day after his family thought he had died.
Health department spokesman Sizwe Kupelo said Monday that the man awoke Sunday afternoon, 21 hours after his family called in an undertaker who sent him to the morgue after an asthma attack.
Kupelo says the man started yelling, prompting morgue workers to run away in fear. They eventually returned and removed him from the fridge. He was then taken to a nearby hospital and later discharged by doctors who deemed him stable.
The mortuary owner says his family is very happy to have him home.
Kupelo urged South Africans to call on health officials to confirm that their relatives are really dead.
Miracle Max: It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there’s usually only one thing you can do.
Inigo Montoya: What’s that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.
US existing home sales fall to seven-month low in June
A for sale sign on a house in California
The US housing market is still struggling amid the weak economy and low credit availability
Sales of previously owned US homes fell 0.8% in June to a seven-month low with contract cancellations the main cause.
Contract cancellations jumped from 4% in May to a record 16% as the depressed US housing market continues.
The National Association of Realtors (NAR) said on Wednesday that sales were running at an annual rate of 4.77 million, the lowest since November.
The report overshadowed one on Tuesday that showed a jump in home construction to a six-month high in June.
The NAR cited a combination of factors that were keeping the market depressed, including the sluggish economy - especially the weak labour market - and the difficulty of getting credit.
Some buyers have cancelled purchases after valuations showed the homes were worth less than their initial bids.
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Some buyers have cancelled purchases after valuations showed the homes were worth less than their initial bids.
Back in mid-2005, the local fishwrap reported the same thing.
What happened back then was a bit of an appraisers’ strike. Meaning that the appraisers were no longer playing the “go along with the lofty price of the property” game. Instead, those mean ole appraisers actually grew a backbone and said “No way!” to those high house prices.
The upshot of this was that buyers had to bring more money to the table or sellers would have to drop their prices. Well guess what: Mexican standoff. Deals were falling through right and left.
And, that summer, there was a huge spike in the number of “for sale” signs around town. Some of them stayed up for many, many months. I can even think of some signs that stayed up for years.
In short, when the deals start falling through, look for a big drop in house prices.
Lying Liar Realtor LIES from the Denver Post website today:
Metro Denver apartment vacancies drop to lowest level in a decade
“Apartment vacancies in the Denver metro area fell to a 10-year low in the second quarter, dropping to the lowest vacancy rate since the first quarter of 2001, according to a report released Monday.
The vacancy rate fell to 4.8 percent with apartment vacancy rates falling 21 percent year-over-year from last year’s second-quarter rate of 6.1 percent, according to the Apartment Association of Metro Denver and the Colorado Division of Housing.
The vacancy rate was also down from 2010’s first quarter rate of 5.5 percent.”
And the requisite REIC Lying Liar Realtors LIE: “With vacancy rates declining, there has been a corresponding jump in median rents in the Denver area.” I’m surprised they didn’t get a Yun quote in this story of LIES.
Meanwhile, the important news: Customers begin camping outside IKEA ahead of Wednesday’s grand opening
CENTENNIAL — “Two days before IKEA opens its 415,000-square-foot store in Centennial, dozens of folks are outside its doors with camping gear, food and umbrellas” blah blah blah sheeple
“Two days before IKEA opens its 415,000-square-foot store in Centennial, dozens of folks are outside its doors with camping gear, food and umbrellas” blah blah blah sheeple
Are they worried they’ll run out of Swedish meatballs?
RIM to Cut 2,000 Jobs as BlackBerry Loses Share
(Bloomberg)
The Blackberry Torch. RIM predicted last month that quarterly revenue may drop for the first time in nine years. The company is losing market. Photographer: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg
Enlarge image RIM to Cut 2,000 Jobs as BlackBerry Loses Market Share
An Apple iPhone 3G, left, and a BlackBerry Curve. The company is losing market share in the U.S. to Apple ’s iPhone and handsets running Google Inc.’s Android software. Photographer: Daniel Acker/Bloomberg
Research In Motion Ltd., maker of the BlackBerry smartphone, plans to cut 2,000 jobs, or about a tenth of its workforce, as sales slow amid market share losses to Apple Inc.’s iPhone.
The reductions, across all functions, are part of a plan to “focus on areas that offer the highest growth opportunities,” RIM said today in a statement. The job cuts will leave the Waterloo, Ontario-based company with about 17,000 employees.
On a personal note, one of my friends has a Blackberry. One evening in June, we were out at dinner and she was checking e-mail while we were awaiting our orders.
She wanted to show me one of her e-mails, so she handed me the Berry.
Unlike the iPhone and the Android, you can’t use your fingertip to push the screen view around. I thought that ability was standard on all smartphones. But I guess it isn’t.
Bill Bonner
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The speaker was a weekend visitor, from Washington, DC, a man active in conservative politics.
“First, winning the Cold War was the biggest setback of our lifetimes. There was probably nothing we could do about it, but it unleashed 3 billion people to compete against us.
“But then, the US was still in a position to protect itself. We were providing a protective umbrella to Europe and Japan. Basically, we guaranteed their safety…with our nuclear arms. We also guaranteed their access to oil.
“We did this without getting anything in return. When the Europeans proposed to put up an airplane company that could compete with Boeing, we were still in a position to stop it. But the US was told that unless it went along with the Airbus program, NATO would be a dead issue. NATO was the means for the US to project power in Europe. Rather than let the empire go, the US gave up much of its aircraft industry.
“Same thing in Japan…and now in China. In order to finance the empire’s spending, the US had to give up its own manufacturing industry. That was the imperial bargain. ‘We’ll protect you and let you sell stuff to us…but you have to finance our empire.’”
“Are you saying the US shouldn’t allow foreign cars or foreign-made planes to be sold in the US,” we asked?
“No, I’m just saying that an empire is not a free market enterprise. It makes deals. The deals it made in Europe and Asia doomed its own manufacturers to failure and doomed its middle classes to poverty.
“All I’m saying is that this is part of the story of the empire. Yes, the zombies have taken over, as you put it. But it’s really an empire story. That’s the important part.
“It didn’t matter who was in the White House, Republican or Democrat. Liberal or conservative. They all did the same thing. They followed the imperial agenda. There were stupid leaders, such as George W. Bush. And there were smart leaders, such as Barack Obama. The stupid ones liked sending troops to Iraq, for example, and sent them. The smart ones didn’t like sending troops, but they sent them too. They all do the same thing. Because their real mission – whether they realize it or not – is to build out the empire.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Just last fall, Americans were feeling better about their personal finances. Now they’re starting to worry more about how they’ll pay off debts as they feel the nation’s economic recovery wobbling.
With Congress deadlocked over how to deal with the national debt, household debt is causing stress for nearly half the country, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll. One in five adults worries about debt most or all of the time. If they bought something on a credit card in the past month, more than a third say they won’t pay it off when the bill comes.
The increased stress represents a reversal from last fall’s AP-GfK poll, which found increasing confidence about personal finances. Debt-related stress is up 17 percent from that November survey, bumping such worries back up to levels seen in 2009 and in the spring of last year.
“It’s not that our debt is huge. It’s just hard to make it, month to month,” said Theresa Telford, 45, a teacher’s aide raising four kids with her husband, a sheriff’s deputy. “It seems like everything is going up, but wages aren’t going up.”
Telford is also nervous because she’s watched so many people lose their jobs in her small town of Davenport, Wash., and some of her friends still can’t find work. Although the recession officially ended in June 2009, Americans display little faith in a recovery hobbled by grinding unemployment, slow economic growth, volatile gasoline and food prices and political feuding over how to stem the skyrocketing national debt. Consumer confidence fell to a seven-month low in June in the Conference Board’s survey.
Is there a J6P left out there that still buys into the “recession ended two years ago” propaganda? Sure they want it to end, and keep hoping that things will “bounce back” soon.
a teacher’s aide raising four kids with her husband
I’m not here to bust on anyone’s desire to have kids. But unless the plan is to put the kids to work at a young age in order to support the homestead, perhaps the Telfords should have considered how having this many kids would impact the family finances and their ability to lead a comfortable long-term living.
Just getting a little tired of people complicating their lives with tons of overhead and then complaining that they can’t pay for it. Nothing is “deserved” nor guaranteed.
Fertility or infertility is often out of one’s control. Even the best birth control method’s (outside of abstinence) are reliable about 98-99% of the time. For people with exceptional fertility, one failure is all it takes. Some couples are unwilling to abort birth control failures.
At 45, her youngest is likely to be 10 or older. 10 years ago, the future looked a lot better for a teacher’s aide and sheriff’s deputy living in a small town in Washington. Housing was reasonably priced. Their jobs looked secure. He probably had great benefits. 9/11 hadn’t happened yet. We were recovering from the dot bomb, which may not have affected them much.
You guys panicked about the US debt impasse yet? Sigh.
Let’s break down some relative numbers and see just how worried we should be about what the papers and TV are sure is the Most Important Economic Story of the Year.
Remember the original TARP bill? It was for less than $700 billion or so. The outcry was over the top from the public who rightly saw that the Republican/Democrat Regime and the Federal Reserve it allows to monopolize all currency and monetary actions were about to upwardly transfer unprecedented wealth to a bunch of insolvent and crooked bankers.
At the time, I was on TV, interviewing Republican and Democrat Senators and Congressman, all of who confirmed that the public was against the TARP bill by about 9 to 1. Several congressman told me that they’d never seen such a strong consensus from their constituents.
So the bill failed.
And Wall Street tanked for a day by a couple, few percent.
So the Republican/Democrat Regime added another $150 billion or so of pure pork to the TARP bailout. I’m still talking about summer 2008, when it was a Republican Administration (you know those guys who say they are “conservative” and “capitalists”) and a Democrat Congress (you know those guys who say they are “liberal” and for “level playing fields”). These same people, including Obama, McConnell, Boehner, and Reid, somehow were able to find the budget for $150 billion in pork in one day. That’s about 1/6 of a trillion dollars of bribes pork that these guys somehow were able to find in the midst of the “worst financial crisis” in history so that the bankers who backed them and who needed the $700 billion outright welfare infusion to keep from having their own businesses liquidated and purchased by a smarter, more conservative businessmen and bankers.
Guess what happened when these same guys who say we are facing a budge crisis now revoted on that expanded $800 billion TARP bill that included an extra $150 billion or so of outright pork — yup, it passed with all that targeted pork that came out of the US debt. Heck remember the special break on Medicaid for Nebraska citizens that they included as part of the great TARP bailout package that no other state’s citizens deserved apparently?
And don’t believe any of that propaganda about TARP having been paid back. The banks and the Federal Reserve have created upwards of ten trillion dollars of other welfare and bailout programs since the original TARP passed. I mean, do you guys even remember that the entire US government debt was only $8 trillion when we started the bailouts in 2008?
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A few days ago, the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office completed the first independent investigation into the emergency actions taken by the Federal Reserve. As a result of this investigation, we now know that the Federal Reserve provided a jaw-dropping $16 trillion in total financial assistance to some of the largest financial institutions and corporations in the world.
Among the investigation’s key findings is that the Fed unilaterally provided trillions of dollars in financial assistance to foreign banks and corporations from South Korea to Scotland. In my view, no agency of the United States government should be allowed to bail out a foreign bank or corporation without the direct approval of Congress and the president.
The GAO also determined that the Fed lacks a comprehensive system to deal with conflicts of interest, despite the serious potential for abuse. In fact, according to the report, the Fed provided conflict-of-interest waivers to employees and private contractors so they could keep investments in the same financial institutions and corporations that were given emergency loans.
Best case scenario: He runs for President as an Independent. And he puts a major scare into the two major parties. Especially when he starts pulling crowds as big — or bigger — than the ones Obama drew in 2008.
I still just love this quote from the piss-ant TTT. He makes it clear that “they” will find it very hard. He certainly knows he won’t.
” …This is a very tough economy and I think for a lot of people it’s going to be, it’s going to feel very hard, harder than anything they’ve experienced in a lifetime… ”
But sadly tea party has already been hijacked by the neocons…..
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“And what I’m proposing is to eliminate the deficit by renouncing the empire. Of course, this would come as a huge shock to the public. They thought the Pentagon was defending them from something. They don’t even realize that we have an empire. They have no idea what it costs, what it means, or what might happen if we didn’t have one. We’ve never had that debate. Woodrow Wilson launched the nation directly on the path of empire, but there was never any discussion of it. No debate in Congress was ever held. Instead, every time we went further and further away from real national defense – such as when Wilson sent troops in WWI – it was always justified in defense terms. Even then, we were supposedly ‘making the world safe for democracy.’
“But that’s just the way it works. Every empire transforms its own expansion into self defense measures. Germany invaded the Sudetenland, and then Poland largely to secure its own frontiers. Japan marched down Southeast Asia to secure its lifeline of resources. Britain conquered half the world to protect its manufactures….and Napoleon invaded Russia to remove the threat on the East.
“The US didn’t have any real enemies – after the Soviet Union folded up – so it had to invent this whole terrorism thing. Now, we have our forces all over the Mideast and now North Africa, to protect the USA from terrorism. That’s what they say.
“And here’s the scary thing. In all the many examples of empires, none…not one…ever backed up. None ever renounced its imperial destiny. None ever thought better of it. Instead, they all went headlong…forward…until they finally got their butts kicked.
“Some people in the Tea Party…and even in the Republican Party…see what has happened. They understand how the nation has become addicted to cheap credit, cheap money, and to expensive imperial adventures. They are afraid that if they don’t get control of it now, it will soon be too late.
“And my hope for the nation is that they will be successful. I believe there is hope. I think that if we can make the link clear – between the imperial, big spending, big credit, big government project…and the coming bankruptcy of the nation…we might be able to turn the country around.
“At best, it will be a close run. Because the military is about the only institution in America that people still trust. They don’t trust Congress or the banks…or the political parties…or the rich…or the big corporations. And we have no national church, they might trust.
“So, when push comes to shove, the Tea Partiers – like everyone else – are likely to back the military and the empire. There seems to be a knee-jerk reaction; when you’re faced with adversity, you back your military, no matter what they’re doing. Even when it brings you close to extinction. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the Tea Party get mixed up and hijacked by the neo-cons and the big-government imperialists in the conservative movement.
“Just the other day, I heard Rush Limbaugh make the argument. He said we should give the Pentagon our full support, because it was the only institution we can still believe in. A lot of Tea Partiers feel the same way. They don’t make the connection between central planning, big budgets, unlimited credit and the big, imperial agenda.
“So, I know I might lose this fight. The Tea Partiers will probably choose the Empire over the Republic…they’ll probably prefer politics to markets. They’ll probably back the troops…and let the country go broke. But if I’m going to live in the United States of America I’ve got to take a stand…I’ve got to do something. And this is all I can do.”
I just saw a TV ad for “Care One”, a credit counseling service, so I fired up my computer, went to google and typed in the words “care one scams” and received TWENTY-FOUR MILLION ENTRIES!
I read a few of the entries and now I want to slit my wrists.
What Boehner didn’t say may be much more important than what he said:
1) We insist on the opportunity to make the President look like a weak negotiator on the debt ceiling one more time between now and the 2012 election.
2) If he adopts our proposal, the economy will go back into recession between now and November 2012, a predictable development which we will ruthlessly blame on Obama.
3) We don’t talk about the distributional effects of our proposal.
July 26, 2011, 12:01 a.m. EDT The Fed should twist again
Commentary: Monetary policy’s all that stands between us and recession
By Irwin Kellner, MarketWatch
PORT WASHINGTON, N.Y. (MarketWatch) — With the economy still weak and the politicians unable to agree on a plan to lift the debt ceiling, it might be time for the Federal Reserve to embark on QE3.
Before you think I have lost my mind, please examine the three facts listed below.
First and most important, the economy — supposedly out of recession for two years — is not in good shape. After rising at a paltry rate of 1.9% in the first quarter, the gross domestic product likely crept ahead at an even slower pace in the second, according to the MarketWatch consensus. This is why the unemployment rate now stands at 9.2% — the highest since the end of last year.
The next fact worth noting is that any agreement to increase the debt ceiling will involve a tightening of fiscal policy. Indeed, such policy has already tightened, since spending by Washington has fallen substantially — enough to cost tens of thousands of federal employees their jobs.
Finally, long-term interest rates have backed up. After dropping to a 52-week low of 2.82%, the yield on the Treasury’s ten-year note has once again reached 3%. While its yield has been much higher, it has also been much lower and in this economy, lower is better.
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I learned a valuable lesson last night.
Being part of an HOA is the same as being a renter. When a water leak breaks through your ceiling in the middle of the night and tries to flood your apartment or condo there’s nothing the water department can do without landlord or HOA permission. (I’m renting.)
Unless the water is leaking through the light fixtures. Then it’s a hazard and the fire department comes to fix it.
Thank you San Diego Fire Department!
will never live in an HOA
Amerika is one giant HOA.
federal…state…and local.
i will not add another layer if i have any say in the matter.
The sky is falling! Wait, that’s just my ceiling.
If this were an HOA situation, they would be special assessing me for this I suppose. Plus I would be on the hook for all the interior cleanup too. Today is a good day to be a renter. Any urge I had to buy a condo has been quashed.
It you owned the house you would be on the hook for all of it too. But at least with your own house, it’s your own house and you’re not at the mercy of the bozos that live around you. And you pay for maintenance only when you need it, not every month.
Basically all our HOA does is tend to the parks in the neighborhood and plow the streets in the winter. They’ll send you a nastygram if you let the dandelions grow in your front yard.
$30 a month.
So now firemen are fixing water leaks…..
Do plumbers know about this?
no wonder this recovery is jobless.
Geez, for a moment there I thought you said “no wonder this recovery is johnless” (referring to bathroom plumbing).
Its probably a johnless recovery for some squatters who don’t pay the water bill.
That’s why they are called squatters! (rimshot!!!)
Me too, never live in a condo or HOA area again.
Me, too. Never, ever again. I’ve lived in two SFH HOA’s and I never felt like a homeowner. It wasn’t the cost, it was the totalitarian “flavor”.
Just hope to see our credit rating down graded as it should be.
Geithner: ‘We’re almost out of runway’ on the debt ceiling
CNN MONEY
Lawmakers rushed Sunday to find a solution to the debt ceiling debate that would provide some measure of certainty for financial markets, even as both sides continued to spar in public.
The ceiling must be raised by Aug. 2. Lawmakers have been negotiating for months, looking for a way to both cut spending and raise the nation’s legal borrowing limit.
Still, there is no clear path forward.
“It’s taken us seven months to get to the place where we are now,” Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union. “We’re almost out of runway. We’re not nowhere, but we’re almost out of runway.”
If Congress fails to raise the $14.3 trillion debt limit, Americans could face rising interest rates and a declining dollar, among other problems.
On Friday, the latest round of talks between House Speaker John Boehner and President Obama collapsed, a development that was announced after U.S. markets closed for the weekend.
Deal? Or No Deal?
Oh you know they’ll make a “deal” we just won’t know what it is until it passes!
As the queen moon-bat once said, “we have to pass the bill, to find out what’s in it”
Call me paranoid, but it wouldn’t surprise me if we did indeed go into temporary default and the market cratered, thereby allowing the Masters of the Universe to profit from some shorts. And then all of a sudden things get “worked out”, and the markets go up again.
Just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get ya!
Naw, that thinking isn’t paranoid. In fact, I’ll bet a lot of folks are thinking the same thing. Personally I wouldn’t mind using a “market cratering” as an opportunity to go long (for a swing trade).
And they’re off! Fat fingering the Dow down.
I’m guessing however the debt ceiling negotiations work out, Wall Street will come out holding all the aces…
‘thereby allowing the Masters of the Universe to profit from some shorts.’
Never let a good crisis go to waste.
ahhh…. you must have read “The Shock Doctrine.”
Armageddon is looming large. Print money or else… Now!!!
The debt ceiling is made out of Chinese Drywall.
Speaking of Washington DC craziness, I’m off for a long anticipated vacation. Flight is very early tomorrow, so after today you guys won’t see me for about two weeks - I don’t expect to have access to the internet much or possibly at all. Figured that was long enough to let you all know not to expect me. I’m headed for cooler pastures and waters. Have fun.
Have a good time, Polly!
Safe travels Ms. Polly!
Polly
Enjoy the Vcr fireworks. We are there Aug 10 to Aug 14. Don’t forget to go to Whistler.
Polly, have wonderful vacation! What are you taking with you to read?
We do have internet in Canada, you know.
Dr Evil Boehner to scared sheeple:
“Debt Ceiling raise by Sunday PM or there will be a 50 POINT DROP ON THE DOW!!!”
Wow, that was a true “Catastrophe”.
Everybody ok?
50 points? That’s not enough to get excited about.
Geithner: ‘We’re almost out of runway’ on the debt ceiling
If this whole episode means that we’ll be rid of Geithner (as Treasury Secretary), then it will all be worth it.
The dow could drop a few points (like 50). Tighten your seatbelts, banksters.
A few weeks ago, government was threatened to be shut down. Everyone knew how that played and is expecting the same. At least I do, everything the two parties is doing is just a show. Not worth much thinking, unless they dare not to pass it, that will be something new.
Always been amazed how many believe WFC’s pronouncements of innocence….
Should You Get Only $7000 if Wells Stole Your House?
While it is nice that the Federal Reserve is forcing Wells Fargo to compensate victims of the bad loan origination practices, the penalties seem to fall flat. What about the investors in the loans made by Wells Fargo? Prior to the crisis and many times since, Wells Fargo has trumpeted its pristine reputation and pointed out that it is different from the bad actors in the mortgage market. Many investors relied on these pronouncements of integrity by Wells when investing in mortgage backed securities with Wells Fargo loans. And Wells, which was much more heavily regulated than other banks (although this subsidiary was likely not) no doubt benefitted from the halo effect of being presumed to be under heavier regulatory scrutiny than non-bank subprime originators.
Most market participants had reason to suspect that subprime lenders like Novastar, New Century and Ameriquest were using aggressive and questionable lending tactics and those loans received additional diligence, as a result (of course, it turned out the diligence didn’t help much). It turns out, Wells Fargo used similar tactics, while holding itself out as a superior lender. Assuming the number of loans affected was 10,000 and the average loan balance was about $180,000, the balance of these loans would have been about $1.8 billion. How many mortgage securities contained these loans? How many CDOs did those MBS end up in? How did these bad loans alter the way rating agencies and investors weighted the risk of the deals they reviewed?
It seems reasonable to argue that Wells Fargo’s offenses were worse than the small, reputation-challenged subprime lenders precisely because Wells Fargo claimed to be superior. If Wells engaged in such ugly tactics, it illustrates just how universal the abandonment of underwriting standards and procedures was.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/07/should-you-get-only-7000-if-a-bank-steals-your-house.html
Stumpf is a liar(from 2009):
“Q You mentioned earlier that you didn’t do a lot of the crazy things that other banks did. But recently a nonprofit group rated Wells Fargo as one of the largest subprime housing lenders in the country.
A We did some subprime, but we didn’t do a lot of it. … For example, the subprime that we did for our own portfolio was a debt consolidation real estate product out of Wells Fargo Financial. So you already own the home, you have three or four debts you consolidate into one debt, then we made a loan on the home for that consumer. It reduced the payment, it consolidated their bills. It made it more affordable. In fact, that portfolio is one of our best-performing portfolios. We were about $25 billion outstanding in that product.”
“And we don’t ever push to do something that doesn’t make sense. I’ll give you an example. In the early part of this decade, in 2002, 2003 and 2004, layering risk, doing `no-doc’ mortgages, no down-payment mortgages to subprime borrowers, we didn’t do it. Option ARMs, these negative amortization loans, we didn’t do those. We gave up market share. We gave up billions of dollars in originations because it didn’t make sense to us. So we didn’t participate in that, and now when those companies that did that are either gone or in trouble, we’re now able to go out and do business the way we’ve always done it, with our vision and values, and we’re winning new customers because of that. In fact, we shrunk the balance sheet two or three years ago. We couldn’t get the returns”
http://www.startribune.com/business/45799642.html?page=2&c=y
FYI
Wells Fargo is opening branches everywhere in the Northeast. They’re saturating tv channels with advertising too.
Are those new Wells Fargo branches or are they rebranding the Wachovia branches as Wells Fargo branches?
Wells Fargo bought Wachovia in ‘08.
I could be Bubba.
In North Texas they are rebranding gas stations as Wells Fargo branches.
Are those new Wells Fargo branches or are they rebranding the Wachovia branches as Wells Fargo branches?
Wells Fargo bought Wachovia in ‘08.
And before WF purchased Wachovia, Wachovia had purchased subprime lender Golden West.
I’ll never forget our HBB discussions about that deal, which, ISTR, went down in late 2006. We thought that Wachovia had taken leave of its business sense.
For Realtors are Liars:
FInally NAR is laying off 10% of their realtors.
http://agentgenius.com/real-estate-news-events/national-association-of-realtors-downsizing-by-10/
“Realtor Party Political Survival Initiative”
o In January of 2010, the Supreme Court ruled in the case of Citizens United vs. the Federal Election Commission.
• The ruling states that corporate dollars—so-called soft dollars—can be used to fund independent expenditure campaigns.
o This not only changes the way elections are financed at the national level, but it also overturns restrictions that allowed only hard dollars—those funds contributed for political purposes by individuals, rather than corporations—to be used in 23 states.
• This means political fundraising as we have known it for the past 100 years just shifted dramatically.
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• Corporate funds/dues can now be used to shape opinions about candidates in ALL 50 states.
o It is a game changer of gigantic proportions.
• It is as if the goal posts on a 100 yard football field were expanded to now cover 140 yards.
o In order for “The Voice for Real Estate” to have the impact it has had for the past 100 years in terms of political advocacy, the REALTOR® organization is stepping up its game.
• No one has spoken with more power or as passionately about protecting private property rights and fighting for opening the door to the American Dream of Home Ownership than the REALTOR® Family.
o To maintain and grow our political power in this new landscape, NAR launched the REALTOR® Party Political Survival Initiative.
• The REALTOR® Party Political Survival Initiative did not just happen overnight.
• It was the result of nearly a year of careful study and consideration.
You HBB’ers who apologize for the Citizens United debacle should be proud.
One could argue that the faction with the most money wins. Given the number of starving re-al-TORS and drop in business and dues, where is the NAR going to get the money to buy all this influence?
NARscum® recently raised their dues specifically to fund buying off public servants.
NARscum® = “TrueRICOimitator$™”
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Actually, they’re laying off worker bees in their national HQ operation. Realtors are independent contractors, so while you can tell them to go away you can’t lay them off.
RAL:
Now watch who the front line employees are……are they little airhead chicky-poos with cleavage and gamer type guys? That is how you pull off a scam, i never saw an adult type “mortgage professional” at any of these retail locations.
Out here it’s Chase branches that have been popping up like mushrooms. I guess the appeal is that their ATMs are everywhere, unlike my poor crdit union.
Two corrupt criminal organizations playing the old switcharoo by expanding in each other home turf.
Hey FedReserve and OCC….Good job at reeling in these corrupt mofo’s. You pieces of $hit. All of you.
Families face a fall in living standards which will be ‘as bad as the 1970s’
By Simon Duke 25th July 2011 Daily Mail UK
Families are facing a crash in living standards as severe as the 1970s, a leading economist has warned.
A grim cocktail of soaring inflation, tax rises and stagnant wage growth will put a huge strain on household spending power, according to the Institute of Fiscal Studies.
Payback time: Households have so far been spared the full brunt of the recession but this is expected to change
It comes as a study shows that the share of national income going to ordinary workers has fallen dramatically over the past 30 years.
Households have so far been spared the full brunt of the downturn after the Labour government cut VAT and ramped up spending in an effort to prevent an economic meltdown.
But with the Coalition’s austerity cuts beginning to hit home, a brutal day of reckoning is in prospect for millions of families, Mr Johnson said.
‘Lower welfare benefits, lower interest income for savers and higher taxes mean that most of the population will share in the pain,’ he added.
‘We have not seen a period like that since the 1970s when rampant inflation and rising unemployment undermined living standards.’
Pugh
According to IFS estimates, the average family will have £360 less to spend this year following a fall of ‘at least’ 1.5 per cent in household income compared with 2008.
But with the prospect of years of paltry wage increases, the squeeze is set to intensify. By 2014, household budgets will ‘almost certainly’ remain below 2008 levels after taking account of inflation, and could ‘quite possibly drop’ to the 2002 level, the IFS warned.
With the economy barely climbing out of recession, salaries will continue to lag behind the rocketing inflation rate, which is running at more than twice the official 2 per cent target.
The Bank of England recently warned that the inflation could soon hit levels not seen since the early 1990s following alarming surges in food and energy costs.
Meanwhile, a study found that those in the bottom half of the earnings range have seen their pay as a share of GDP fall by a quarter – while the richest 1 per cent have seen their share shoot up by more than half.
The inequalities are even more stark once the effect of City bankers’ bonuses are factored in.
The report, Missing Out, by centre-left think-tank Resolution Foundation, said: ‘In 1977, of every £100 of value generated by the UK economy, £16 went to the bottom half of workers in wages; by 2010 it had fallen to £12. Inclusion of bonus payments reduces the bottom half’s share to just £10.’
Workers in the top 10 per cent increased their share of value from £12 to £14 in every £100 (a 22 per cent rise) – more than the whole of the bottom half. The share of the top 1 per cent grew from £2 in 1977 to £3.
The study found that inequality has increased in all sectors of the economy.
Gavin Kelly, chief executive of the Resolution Foundation, said: ‘If these worrying trends continue in the decade ahead, it casts doubt on whether those on low-to-middle earnings will see their living standards rise in line with economic growth.’
” lower interest income for savers”
correct me if i’m wrong…but this wasn’t a condition during the 70s…was it?
No it was not. 12% CD rates were everywhere.
so it’s gonna be worse than the 70s…love how he snuck that one in there.
They are talking about the UK. Interest rates in the late 70’s dove to around 5% and helped get Thatcher elected.
The IMF bailout in 1976 did work.
Does that mean we are finally going to get some good music and some good drugs?
If you like disco and poppers…
Just as an aside, I caught a bit of SNL (don’t watch it much anymore, not all that funny now IMO) last weekend and finally got to see what this Lady Gaga was all about. Recycled disco, complete with the dancer acolytes. Done before, during the 70s. Donna Summer/Cher and all the other disco lady acts. So yeah, maybe we are going back to the future.
With the recent demise of Amy Winehouse (RIP, you talented but troubled soul) came the bloviating about how she’d “influenced” Lady Gaga. In your dreams. Winehouse was the real deal, even though self-destructive.
She’s running the “Cher-Madonna” playbook from “A” to “Z”
Sorta like Taylor Swift is running the “Pre-pubescent, blond-haired blue-eyed Country Singer” plan. (see Tanya Tucker, Leann Rimes for previous version).
Haven’t been paying much attention lately, who is running the “Alice Cooper-KISS-Motley Crue-Marilyn Manson Satanic Influenced Rock Music Program” currently?
all i know is…when i was a “tween” i was listening to Kiss and BOC.
now it’s Justin Bieber?
WTF?
But justin is getting his underage kicks from hangin out with an older woman…selena gomez..
Haven’t been paying much attention lately, who is running the “Alice Cooper-KISS-Motley Crue-Marilyn Manson Satanic Influenced Rock Music Program” currently?
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My Chemical Romance, Panic at the Disco and some of the members of Fallout Boy. There may be an even newer band as well.
Their first 3 albums were pretty dark lyrically (but fun musically if you can get past the screaming) but My Chemical Romance’s last album, “Danger Days” sounds pretty mainstream. It even has a dance track: Planetary (Go!) and a believe in yourself theme song spotlighted on Glee: “Sing”
My daughter listens to System of a Down…..She hates Justin Bieber. I’ve listened to a few SoaD songs. They’re dark. Some really dark.
I can’t listen to SoaD in the car. At the gym, maybe, but not in the car.
The free-love sounded pretty good…
Calling Combotechie…
THIS is what we’re seeing, NOT the “deflation” you’ve been hawking for so long. One way to describe deflation is too little money chasing too few goods, and combo has been using examples of money/debt destruction — *poof* — to support the too-little-money side of the equation.
But what if many of those goods are unnecessary? Those unnecessary “goods”** have been going *poof* too. In addition, there IS some money creation when households shack up, which effectively produces extra income. This evens out the equation. Retailers and speculators in necessary goods see this and raise prices on needs to what the market will bear — price inflation — but then globalization comes in kills the matching wage inflation.
It’s not a simple situation, but in the end, a higher % of income will be spent on needs like food, gas, health insurance –> lower standard of living.
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**Extreme examples of unnecessary goods: pirate stores and candle shops. Also unnecessary: vacations, new furniture, new car, impulse buys, and anything bought in the mall.
At the household level, however, the scenario being described will feel much more “deflationary” than “inflationary”. The take away is the reduction in aggregate household purchasing power and the accompanying decline in their standard of living.
I agree Ejohn….
Food and fuel were underpriced. According to the PTB.
US labor is overpriced. Again, according to the PTB.
Everything else was overpriced.
The U.S. is facing a crash in living standards as bad as Great Brittain in the 1970s.
Several years ago I ran into an old boss, a guy with an inherently optimistic disposition. I described what I though would happen to the economy and the country as a whole as a result of the debt binge.
“So we’ll be like the UK in the 1970s” he said. “They got over it and recovered, and so will we.”
The guy is of Jewish ancestry, so I didn’t bring up Germany in the 1930s as another possibility.
“The U.S. is facing a crash in living standards as bad as Great Brittain in the 1970s.”
Thanks for the reassurances — I thought it was just my little household’s living standards that were crashing, but now I know that we are all in this together.
Not all of us.
The Top 5%ers have been, and will remain in, “Party On” mode.
Pain and suffering is for all those dumbazz serfs/peons.
This weekend, I did a back of the envelope calculation comparing income and expenses in the late 60s and now. Expenses have increased about 10 times. My middle class income is about 4 times what my father’s was.
ISTM, standard of living has already fallen substantially in the last 40 years. Looking ahead, even if Social Security and Medicare survive the current Republican assault, I expect that they will be virtually worthless in 25 years - when I really need them. Will I be able to save money faster than inflation? Will I be continuously employed for the duration? I suspect the answer to both is no and that my best efforts will end in poverty.
“I expect that they will be virtually worthless in 25 years - when I really need them”
All they have to do to “save” SS is eliminate COLAs. Of course 25 years of inflation will do a number on that benefit. Even just 2% inflation would eat way 40% of the value, 3% would consume 53% and 4% inflation would consume 64%.
“I suspect the answer to both is no and that my best efforts will end in poverty.”
You will join me as a co-worker at Walmart. And we will be friends as we have this common bond. It’s an ugly fact that is violently rejected when I suggest this to others. Their self-entitlement is stunning.
Nice post wmbz….
I checked on CD rates banks are paying. .02 of one percent does not add up to much. To buy extra checks for my MM account would be over $1 per blank check .Soon we may be paying banks to keep our $$$$$ for us .Like in Japan.
I already pay $5 a month for my checking account. It’s worth it to keep my money away from the vampire squids. I used to have an account with BoA, and with a smaller regional bank, and I couldn’t deposit a check without the teller hawking some product at the window.
you already are paying the banks to keep your money in real terms.
Sussex County DE report
Anectodal observations are that the tourist trade is as strong as ever but I haven’t actually discussed with business owners. Hotels, streets and beaches mobbed as always.
Construction- To my surprise, I’m seeing a lot of new starts in existing developments. Lots of Tyvek, trusses and rafters on the horizon. The good news is that Mrs. RAL and I see the billboard price points for new construction dramatically lower. SFR’s starting in the very low $100’s. And not just one billboard either. This is a dramatic shift from the inflated start prices of the bubble years. The common advertised price point seems to be 200-230k for quite nice floor plans. I confidently state that these floor plan were selling in the 325k-350k range during the bubble. Nevertheless, low $200k’s seem to be the broader price point for all housing.
The fact that builders are still building and at much lower price points is not a good sign for the tens of thousands of suckers who bought during the bubble years. I see resale prices in the 300k-$400k range many many miles from the beaches. The delusion runs deep for these resellers. I’m certain Lying Realtors® could cherrypick a sale outside the range to support their lies but generally speaking, the *active* price is dramatically lower in a general sense. The homedebtors attempting to resell reminds me of young bucks who buy brandy new spankin cars and trucks and sink thousands of dollars in aftermarket “stuff” into them and can’t figure out why they can’t squeeze their money back out of them. Sucks to be you resellers.
We’ll do some driving/looking/surveying later to validate what we’ve observed thus far. It’s beachtime for the RAL’s at the moment.
“…..not a good sign for the tens of thousands of suckers……”
As we predicted. Builders will be selling equivalent new-build houses for 1/3 to 1/2 the price of stuff sold in 2003-2006. Same thing is happening around here, although construction is still way down vs. 2005 and 2006.
Not in DC. Stuff might be lower than it was, but still wish-priced. The only sub-$100K you’ll find within 50 miles are converted condos where the HOA is probably as much as the mortgage.
True, but unlike the rest of the country DC lives in its own world unaffected by budget deficits, falling wages or rising unemployment.
I stopped looking in Falls Church because of the illegal aliens. However, in 2009 you could find roach infested 800 sq ft condozes at around $100K. Great commuting location. Too bad.
Warning, this post is grossly off topic (but at least still financially related).
I bought a car this weekend, and, although I was intending to purchase the car, I came out of the transaction with a lease. I got all the numbers from the dealer and went home and crunched the numbers for hours, and I just wanted to run it past the folks here to see if I’m missing something (or I’m just stupid). This is the first time I’ve ever leased a car.
Basically, the thing that pushed me to lease was that, after running all the numbers, it seems like the dealer/manufacturer is giving me a “free put option” and a subsidized interest rate to take a lease (instead of buy). The sale price of the car didn’t change (between lease/buy) and the money factor on the lease was very low (about 1% interest, when converted); a loan would have been 2.9%.
So, here’s the question. I don’t see how it would ever be better (even if you intend to actually buy the car) to purchase rather than lease (assuming you can buy the car out at the end of the lease with cash). The interest rates are lower on the lease, there’s a built in “put option” (in case the car loses a dramatic amount of value over the term of the lease) and that option also allows you to buy the car at a specific price 3 years in the future. Also, the sales tax (at least in my state) is spread over the term of the lease, which, should you choose not to purchase, is also an advantage vs. buying the car (because if you buy, you pay all the sales tax up front, and don’t get it back when you sell it).
Please let me know what everyone’s opinion on this is. I’m not really looking for “leasing is for people who can’t afford their cars”, I could have bought the car for cash (but you’d have to be nuts to do so with the interest rates offered on new cars today), so it wasn’t an affordability thing. I’m just interested in what others think about the financial innards of a lease, and, is the dealer in fact giving away a subsidized interest rate and a free put when they do a lease (and, if so, why)?
This reminds me of David Learah’s oft-mocked quote that “if you have a paid-off house, then you didn’t manage your finances correctly.”
But cars are cheaper and depreciate, so maybe renting a car is good deal. I personally like to own stuff outright when I can, even if it costs a little more, just for the peace of mind, but your milage may vary.
I’ve always owned my cars in the past. It was really surprising to me when I ran the numbers and really looked at both options (I never really even considered leasing, the sales guy put together both contracts and said “Take them home and look them over, it doesn’t matter to me either way”. Only after really crunching the numbers did I realize that the lease really did seem to be the better deal (lower interest rate with a guaranteed value in 3 years).
What hits you is the extra miles fees and any damage at the end of the lease.
Darrell,
That makes sense, and it’s something I didn’t figure in (damage charges; extra miles aren’t much of a concern, I don’t drive that much).
But isn’t the damage really a wash? If you keep the car, it’s still damaged. And if I bought it (and traded it in) I’d still lose value because my front bumper has been hanging off for the least 10K miles?
Marriages should come with “put option”.
Prenup = Put Option
Don’t forget trying to get out of a lease may be extremely difficult.
So is getting out of making payments on a purchase.
Actually a similar deal as the buying vs. renting arguments on a home. You are leasing the best 3-4 years that car is ever going to have. As long as you understand the money games that they can play with leases, you can actually do okay.
Just remember, the price you negotiate a lease at doesn’t have to be MSRP.
Which is part of the problem with our country today. You have to be a lawyer/accountant to get the best deal on a cellphone contract, much less purchasing a car.
And back in the day, making a bad purchase decision was just a minor pain, not something that would put you in the poorhouse.
X-GS,
I agree with you. Leases are MUCH harder to figure out. I actually took all the paperwork home for an evening and sat down with all the numbers. I think I did pretty well, but, at the same time, it’s much more complicated than a straight purchase. And yes, first you negotiate the price (cap cost) and then you start to look at the lease; dealers always want you to be a “how much a month” buyer. You need to explain to them that you’re interested in the sale price, and that you understand that, once sale price is established, everything else is just a formula (albeit a difficult one with leases).
The sale price for the new car was about 5K under sticker; that’s about average for this vehicle.
This is the first vehicle that I’ve ever personally leased (I’ve helped my SO do it in the past). And, if my math actually turns out to be true, I think I’ll always be leasing (or buying my cars out of lease) in the future. That “free put” option is really very attractive to me, it removes all unexpected depreciation risk from the get go; and, should the car not depreciate as much as expected, you (the buyer) keep the upside. Also, the sales tax is all deferred, which is another nicety of a lease (so it’s spread across multiple years and you don’t pay for the entire car). Finally, add in the insanely low subsidized rates (money factor), and I just don’t see much/any disadvantage (assuming you keep the car to term, others are correct, getting out a lease can be painful).
Dealers like leases,mainly because they can play all kinds of games with the “How much a month?” crowd.
In confusion, there is profit.
OTOH, if you undertand the terms, and get the best deal, leases aren’t really that bad a way to go. If for no other reason, if you end up with a lemon (rare), or don’t like the car for some reason, you can just walk at the end of the lease.
You’d have been in real good shape if you were coming off a 3-year lease of a Honda Civic in the summer of 2008.
Like houses, sometimes car “ownership” is overrated.
I think leasing is just fine.
Just manage miles. Damage charges are rare in my experience. I had a friend actually get in a relatively severe collision in his leased car, had it repaired, and they didn’t charge him any extra damage charges.
That was from Lincoln and I’ve heard the same about Acura. Not sure about the others.
In my opinion, daily driver cars become essentially worthless after about 10 years at 15k a year, so you get 4-5 years of savings. With a good lease you are paying only 50% of the purchase price, so you come out behind, but not really that far.
If you could buy it for cash your actual interest rate is the opportunity cost of keeping the cash in a perfectly safe savings alternative for the term of the lease. That sounds like a 3 year CD to me. What can you get for that? 1%? And you have to pay tax on it, so more like 0.7%. If the lease comes out to less than that interest rate, you are fine.
Analysis changes if you can pull of the lease as entirely business expense or you really need to keep the cash around. Remember, you can’t do your analysis with a stock market rate of return. You are comparing buying with leasing and absolutely guaranteed buying the car at the end of the lease. No putting the money any place where you might lose your principle.
Oh, and borrowing money at low rates is just paying more for the car. I remember when you used to be able to choose which you wanted - $2000 cash back or the good financing deal.
The only advantage I see is if you happen to get a crummy car whose defects aren’t covered by warranty. If lots of stuff starts to go wrong right around the time the lease is up youhave that “put” option.
Polly,
Thanks for that; seems like my analysis followed yours pretty closely. If you look at the actual interest rate I’m paying, it’s just about 0% (the cash is making almost exactly the same rate as the loan would be).
Yup, that’s exactly what I was thinking, it’s like buying the car but making the dealer give me a guaranteed price they will pay to buy it back in 3 years. Also, it has some sales tax advantages for me (in FL) because the taxes are “per payment” instead of all upfront (I deduct my sales tax, we don’t have state income taxes).
I’m worried about the “crummy car” scenario (the new car is a Jaguar, I love the styling and the performance, but their reliability has left a “bit” to be desired over the past decade), and also kind of worried about the residual value of the car. The way I see it, I’m paying the lease (instead of purchase) to guarantee that the residual won’t tank.
I used to be 100% pro buying a car. Until this past Friday when I was changing the brake pads and rotors on my 99 Jetta and remembered when I was knee deep in grease that when I last did it I stripped the screw head holding the rotor on the hub for the wheel I started on. I distinctly recall saying to myself, “oh well, I won’t be replacing the brakes next time, I won’t have the car that long!”
Doh.
So instead of drilling/extracting the screw and risk further damage (that kind of week), I’m taking it in.
Anyway, for the same cost, unless I anticipated massive inflation in the next three years, I’d consider leasing as well. Acutally, I might head off to the dealership this afternoon to check out a GTI.
The reason that the lease has the “free put” option on it is the dealership knows you’ll have to step foot into the dealership in three years, where you may lease another vehicle or buy the one you’re returning outright.
Chile,
That makes sense; they will provide you the “put” because they see it as a good chance that if you exercise the put, you’ll be buying another car with them anyway.
And, that put option, while often correctly priced, sometimes is incredibly valuable. Imagine if you leased a H2 Hummer 5 years ago!?! I’m sure the residual on a 3 year lease was probably about 40%; when the car was turned in, the residual was probably actually about 25%. And, if you’re getting ready to turn in and the actual residual is higher, then you’ve gotten some “free equity” in the car.
“the new car is a Jaguar”
uh-oh
Yeah, stay tuned for details.
That’s exactly the reason I leased this car. I love the looks, and it’s a lot of fun to drive. But I’m terrified of it being a maintenance disaster and depreciating to nothing because of problems with the model. So far, it’s doing pretty well (reviews of it’s quality), but it’s only been out for 1 year. We’ll see if the “Jag gremlins” slip in there in Y3 and beyond of ownership.
Why do the British drink warm beer?
Because they own Lucas refrigerators.
Lucas, aka “The Prince of Darkness”
Sorry, you just reminded me of all the old Lucas/English car jokes.
I thought Jauguars were made by that Indian company Tata?
I guess you can get outsourced to them and buy one of thier cars in the same day!
Will you be required to take it to them for any type of maintenance?
Yes. But, because Jag’s have been SO bad in recent years, they actually cover everything (oil changes, wiper changes, brakes.. Pretty much every single part except the tires) under the warranty (so, no additional costs to take it to the dealer).
Wish me luck. I buy me cars based on looks (sold my MB CLS to buy this car), and, typically, that doesn’t work out too well for me. They look great, but cost a ton of money to keep on the road and depreciate like you lit them on fire.
Aren’t low end Jags basically Fords? I know that the fancier ones they profile in shows like Top Gear are different.
I don’t think so (not anymore anyway), they are owned by Tata now. So, they are actually 5K Indian cars underneath. The Ford years were the dark years for Jag; the lower end models were actually a Taurus (IIRC) with a fancy skin on it. Today, AFAIK, they are actually unique rolling chassis from other vehicles on the road (similar to MB/BMW/etc).
In a nutshell, with a lease you are doing two things
1) Paying interest on the entire value of the car. @1% interest that shouldn’t be two bad.
2) Paying down the estimated depreciation on the car over the lease period.
#2 is where things can get interesting. Factory leases often deliberately underestimate the depreciation of the lease as a way of discounting the vehicle. I leased cars in the past and they were never worth close to the residual value at the end of the lease. Of course in that case if you buy the car at the end of the lease, you’ve overpaid for it. But if you don’t buy it then you’ll probably wind up with another lease.
I bought an -06 Mazda 3, for $8000, financed $5k at $149 a mo for 3 years. Better than leasing and mine has 75k miles on it. Fun to drive, great mpg, lots of room, sunroof, 6 cd player… what else do you need?
what else do you need?
4WD/AWD, high ground clearance, long enough vehicle that roof rack can hold 16′ kayaks stably…
I’m trying to force myself to “downgrade” to a Subaru Forester (yea, not the most manly vehicle I know) vs a Toyota 4runner. I’m not a fan of the newer 4runners (2003+) as they’ve gotten longer and wider…
I wish I could get a more fun car like your mazda3, but it just doesn’t fit my lifestyle…
If you get a Forester, get the turbo model. You’ll thank me later. Or not. If you like fun cars you will. And they have a lot of potential if you want to make them *really* fun.
And they have a lot of potential if you want to make them *really* fun.
Yeah, but I’m looking for an offroad vehicle, not a track vehicle.
I would love the turbo over the NA 4-cylinder, but sadly the gas mileage is low enough that I might as well just buy the 4runner at that point. At least with the 4runner I don’t need to buy premium gas…
It’s a shame there’s not a 6-cylinder version.
Wait until your lease ends and they hit you up with ding fees, over-mileage fees, spot-on-the-upholstery fees, wear-and-tear fees, hyperbaric interometer taxes…this on top of all the non-warranty money you’ve spent to get the thing running properly in the first place.
And what if you decide you actually LIKE the thing and want to keep it? Leasing a new one requires all those deposits, prep fees, first-and-lasts, etc., all over again. Do you have that kind of money lying around every three years?
Either way, you’ll end up buying it twice.
Ahansen,
Can you please clarify the statement “you’ll end up buying it twice”?
I’ve always purchased my cars, this is the first lease I’ve ever personally done, by my fiance has always leased. We’ve never had any trouble during turn in (with the exception of over mileage charges, but that’s a known quantity).
I’m more interested in the “what if I actually like it” scenario. Turning it in is just turning it in; but, IMHO, what it looks like they are doing with the lease is giving me an option to turn it in 3 years from now, OR buy it at a set price. If the value is way below the set price, I can negotiate (if I want to keep it) or turn it in. If it’s way above, I can buy it and sell it (or keep it). That’s really the aspect that I’m most interested in.
It’s been over 10 years since I last leased a car, and other than mileage overage I never did get dinged with ding fees. For all I know they’re a lot stricter now.
I’d be a hypocrite to say that buying is better than leasing. I prefer renting houses. So I won’t be much help.
Houses and cars are so different that you can’t really make a comparison. How do you place a dollar value on a mobile asset vs. an immobile asset? A chick magnet vs. a nest-er magnet?
After leasing for so many years I have become a believer in the beauty of a paid for car.
“TrueBambooLie™” + follow/investigate them foreigners!
The investigation follows a blog post last week by an American woman who lives in Kunming in Yunnan province, who stumbled across three shops masquerading as bona fide Apple stores in the city. She took photos and posted them on her BirdAbroad blog.
China officials find 5 fake Apple stores in 1 city:
AP News
The proliferation of the fake stores underlines the slow progress that China’s government is making in countering a culture of a rampant piracy and widespread production of bogus goods that is a major irritant in relations with trading partners.
Sooooo, they can shut down a website or block an online article at a moment’s notice, but they can’t shut down five stores operating in plain sight?
Ya, sure, right. As time passes one’s jaw drops at the sheer mountain of bald faced contradictions we are being asked to believe with regards to the TrueBambooLie a.k.a the Enchanted Land of On Demand GDP Growth.
The shop is fake, the stuff they sell is real. Apple owes them, I say
Being that Apple has all it stuff built over there, there’s a real possibility that the merchandise is also counterfeit.
I’ve heard that a lot of those factories that make “authentic” stuff (esp. in apparel) make extras that are sold other wise… so it’s an open question in my mind as to what exactly you’d be getting.
No it’s authentic. There is a HUGE grey market dealing with Apple products that are originally sent to Hong Kong and other jurisdictions, bought there, smuggled across the border into China.
And Apple knows about this. No way they don’t. I think they make a lot of sales volumes by virtue of this channel. If they sell one iPhone via their stores or authorized carrier in China, I am sure there are 4 others that are grey market.
There are a lot of knock offs sold as well, but I’m talking about genuine Apple products. Anyone will know the difference after playing with it for 2 minutes, tops. Many of the accessories (chargers, docks, cases etc) are knock offs but the actual device is most likely the real deal.
This is not just Apple. There are dozens of stores bathed in Nikon and Canon colours that are not authorized resellers. It’s the way it operates.
I feel for Obama, as he tried his best to bargain in good faith with people whose game plan was apparently to scuttle any and all potentially viable agreements, in order to call Obama’s leadership into question and to ramp up the risk of renewed financial havoc just before the onset of 2012 presidential election season; presumably the Republicans assume the U.S. voter is not smart enough to refrain from blaming the President for everything that goes wrong with the economy.
Obama did his best to appeal to forge a bipartisan measure that would further the greater good of the Nation and was roundly rebuffed for his efforts. The expression on his face in the photo which accompanies the linked article speaks volumes.
Financial Crisis
Heat is on US over debt default deal
The prospect of America defaulting on its debts edged closer last night after the fraught negotiations between President Barack Obama and top Republicans collapsed.
President Barack Obama listens to a question during a news conference in the East Room of the White House in Washington
Rumours that President Obama was prepared to relent on tax rises provoked a furious response from Democrats. Photo: AP
By Richard Blackden, US Business Editor
12:00PM BST 23 Jul 2011
John Boehner, the top Republican in Congress, pulled out of negotiations with the White House late on Friday, saying that he and President Obama “couldn’t connect.” President Obama has summoned Congressional leaders to The White House for a meeting scheduled for 4pm (BST) today aimed at reviving talks on what’s expected to be the hottest weekend of the year in Washington.
In his weekly video address to America on Saturday, President Obama renewed his appeal for Democrats and Republicans to “work together” on a deal, but refused to back away from new tax demands on the wealthiest.
“Before we cut medical research, we should ask hedge fund managers to stop paying taxes at a lower rate than their secretaries,” he said. “Before we ask seniors to pay more for Medicare, we should ask the wealthiest taxpayers to give up tax breaks we simply cannot afford under these circumstances.”
But President Obama also stressed the need for compromise:
“We can come together for the good of the country and reach a compromise [...] or we can issue insults and demands and ultimatums at each another, withdraw to our partisan corners, and achieve nothing,” he said.
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All the Republican talk around here is that a default is “no big deal”.
I guess we’re all going to find out.
Utter BS.
O and the demtards are playing as much politics as the reptards.
Whatever you say.
So Boehner was wrong to walk away when O came back and said, “I am altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further.”
Republicans come to mind when I think of Sith Lords. Dems are merely Dark Jedi.
I was thinking they were more like Ewoks.
Fuzzy, little jabbering creatures, who bring spears to a blaster fight.
The Marketwatch poll asked who to blame for the debt crisis:
Bohner: 37.5
Obama: 44.5
Still Bush: 8.7
Taxpayers: 9.4
Looks fairly even steven to me. I would have voted for Reagan and/or Larry Summers if i could have.
Funny how no one really talks about Bush running up the debt, cutting revenue then here we are now and the GOP wants to pay for it with cuts to social programs?? Too bad the debt was all spent outside of America.
The Republican platform in two sentences! Bravo!
When Republicans say “we have a spending problem,” they really mean “we have an old-and-sick- people problem.”
I feel for Obama, as he tried his best to bargain in good faith with people whose game plan was apparently to scuttle any and all potentially viable agreements
so somehow you know exactly what O’s intentions are, and what the repub and dem congresscritters are?
What BS - I agree.
We don’t have to guess at what McConnell’s intentions are. He plainly stated that his goal was to defeat Obama in 2012.
The New York Times
Shares Down on U.S. Debt Talks
By CHRISTINE HAUSER
Published: July 25, 2011
The lack of a deal to raise the debt limit in the United States weighed on financial markets on Monday as the process to avoid a default dragged on, shaking the confidence of investors.
Stocks in the United States opened lower, with the major indexes falling more than 1 percent in early trading, following declines by markets in Europe and Asia.
The Dow Jones industrial average was down 133.02 points, or 1.05 percent, within the first half hour of trading, with the broader Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index and the Nasdaq also falling 1 percent. All three indexes later retraced part of their declines.
Little progress was reported over the weekend in the negotiations between President Obama and Congressional Republicans, although few investors believe that the United States will ultimately renege on its debt.
Still, the apparent stalemate unsettled investors. Treasuries were trading lower. As the benchmark 10-year price fell, yields were up 6 basis points to 3.02 percent.
“Investors are becoming leery of Washington’s ability to come to an agreement on a debt deal, which in turn, raises the debt ceiling before the Treasury’s Aug. 2 ‘drop dead’ date on the U.S.’s ability to pay its commitments,” said Kevin H. Giddis, the executive managing director and president for fixed-income capital markets at Morgan Keegan & Company, in a research note.
“The world owns our debt and wants to continue to hold it as long as we can find a way to keep issuing what was once considered, and likely still is, the safest debt on the planet,” Mr. Giddis wrote.
The gridlock in Washington was taking place alongside a debt crisis in Europe, where a bailout package for Greece was agreed to last week. On Monday, Moody’s Investors Service downgraded Greek debt again.
Investors have driven gold above the $1,600 per ounce mark in recent days amid the uncertainty.
“With little optimism on U.S. debt talks at the moment, the gold price acutely reflects investor nervousness that limited progress will be made before the Aug. 2 deadline,” Edel Tully, a strategist at UBS, wrote in a research note. “This nervousness is in many ways justified as the threat of a U.S. ratings downgrade is very real.”
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Western sovereigns teetering on the brink of default is great for gold prices!
Metals Stocks Archives
July 25, 2011, 10:46 a.m. EDT
Gold hits record as U.S. debt talks grind on
Greece downgrade also pushes buyers to perceived safety of bullion
By Claudia Assis and Virginia Harrison, MarketWatch
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Gold futures traded in record territory Monday as U.S. debt-ceiling talks to avert a default continued, with little to indicate progress toward a deal, and as a debt-ratings agency further downgraded Greece.
Gold for August delivery GC1Q +0.85% gained $13.20, or 0.8%, to $1,614.90 an ounce on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange. It traded as high as $1,624.30 an ounce earlier.
Protracted U.S. debt-limit negotiations and concerns about Europe’s sovereign-debt crisis have pushed gold to a string of high marks in recent sessions, the latest of which a nominal record of $1,602.40 an ounce a week ago.
Adjusted for inflation, gold would have to settle at around $2,400 an ounce to supplant a record around $850 an ounce reached in January 1980.
While the deadlock in U.S.talks took center stage on Monday, Greece’s further downgrade also contributed to investors’ run to assets deemed as safer.
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We have heard numerous reports about how a failure to agree on a debt ceiling increase would result in higher Treasury yields, yet they are plunging this morning.
What gives?
Treasurys surge, yield on 10-year note back below 3%
July 25, 2011, 11:01 AM
Yields on treasury’s are dropping sharply.
The yield on the 10-year note US10-year slid below 2.96% in recent action.
Yields had been rising as doubts continue over Washignton’s ability to actually raise the debt-ceiling and cut spending.
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Max Keiser: Obama financially lynched by racist GOP
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I was thinking about this over the weekend: To what extent does the GOP’s unwillingness to negotiate in good faith with Obama represent closet racism?
It’s all racism. Even that Black republican congressman is a closet racist against a black president.
Hey Lil’ Opie…the “Posse” is a-comin’ and theys is a Truly Angry son!… the ““TruePathtoPro$perity™” / “TrueGridLok™” / “TrueAnger™” PeeParty tea toadlers have…“recruited and incredibly diverse army of thugs (characterized by The conniving State Attorney General Hedley Lamarr as ideally consisting of):
“rustlers, cutthroats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperadoes, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, half-wits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswagglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass kickers, shit kickers - and Methodists” …in addition to nearly every other kind of stock movie villain) into an ambush against ya.
(Hwy’s quote modification from; “Blazing Saddles”)
It’s not that he’s (part) African-American.
It’s the “fact” that he’s the Socialist Antichrist.
Hah!
Hay all you software engineers out there!
Garmin is looking for you. Currently running radio ads here in the KC Metro area.
“Yeah, it was 1992 when someone said to me the first time “We won’t have to worry about those guys at Garmin……”
…….Honeywell Avionics rep, after hearing the announcement for the new Garmin G5000 Integrated Flight Deck.
They won’t be interested in hiring you unless you have domain knowledge in avionics. Which is why everyone complains that there’s “no one to hire”. It doesn’t matter if you’re a good programmer, unless you’ve worked on a very similar project before they aren’t interested.
I think they like to hire new graduates , we interviewed one here last week, clueless guy with a Masters in EE
After the ineterview I was told not many applicants are sending us resumes, I ask ” its a recession whats up”
I was laughed at and told not in this field, electronics Engineering mostly physical layer fiber optics.
So along with the 400-500K homes that sell quickly around here and not being able to hire engineers at 100K I beleive I live in a parrellel universe far away from all the terrible news I keep hearing. My wife doesn’t even beleive anymore that there is a recession because all she sees new cars and crowded starbucks.
I should ask for a raise huh ?
“My wife doesn’t even beleive anymore that there is a recession because all she sees new cars and crowded starbucks.”
Like I said above, DC exists in its own reality, unaffected by things that affect the rest of the country.
” and not being able to hire engineers at 100K”
Out here in the real world 100K is what a principal engineer gets paid, not some green behind the ears snot nosed kid.
Exactly. I got lucky twice that the current job hired me. First that they hired me for a position that involved lots of stuff that I didn’t know yet. Second that next time I have to look for a job I’ll know all that stuff, too.
Out here in the real world 100K is what a principal engineer gets paid, not some green behind the ears snot nosed kid.
Storage might be a little better. I think my tech lead at my last job was at ~150k based on when he casually mentioned he was done paying SS that year. He was *very* good and critical to the company, though.
To what extent does the GOP’s unwillingness to negotiate in good faith with Obama represent closet racism?
About 14.3%.
I don’t get these pundits.
Keiser famously suggested Greece, Ireland and all should default.
So, why is he against the prospect of US default?
HOMESJULY 25, 2011
TV Home Shows Flip Scripts
Amid Real-Estate Bust, Reality Programs Turn Attention to Foreclosure Deals
By LAUREN A. E. SCHUKER
Where are the hundreds of thousands of foreclosed homes in the U.S. ending up? On reality television.
This summer and fall, several TV networks are unveiling reality shows about buying foreclosed houses as a way to reinvent the popular “house flipping” formula, which proliferated in cable programming alongside the real-estate boom.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903591104576466020679648718.html?KEYWORDS=Hgtv
This would be hilarious if it weren’t completely disgusting.
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Spike’s new show, “Flip Men,” follows its two hosts, Doug Clark and Mike Baird, as they attend auctions of foreclosed houses and buy up the properties—often sight unseen—and hope they get lucky.
Mr. Clark and Mr. Baird have bought houses where the interior is covered in mold and feces, infested by rats and, in some cases, still inhabited by angry—and sometimes violent—occupants. They also have purchased homes that vagrants have moved into and turned into methamphetamine labs, as well as houses that gangs have overtaken. In order to recoup their costs, they must fix up the homes as quickly as possible—and then attempt to resell them.
“These programs are like the ultimate game show because you don’t know what’s behind that door before you buy the house,” said David Broome, executive producer of Spike’s “Flip Men.”
“These programs are like the ultimate game show because you don’t know what’s behind that door before you buy the house,” said David Broome, executive producer of Spike’s “Flip Men.”
As my former landlady used to say, “That’s exactly right.”
She should know. Former LL bought a foreclosed property on the courthouse steps in December 1998.
Said property had two houses on it, and she was still bringing them back up to snuff when we chatted on Thanksgiving Day 2005.
Stalemate looks worse from inside
The debt-talks stalemate looks even worse on the inside than to the rest of the world, an Obama administration official says.
It’s all about the next election……
Funny, the markets don’t look very alarmed.
is obama the 1st prez to intentionally try and spook the markets?
is he the 1st prez to threaten that the markets will spook if he doesn’t get his way?
geitner and obama both say that we need a 2.4T increase to get past the elections, is that what a treas secretary should do?
i would prefer a prez that instilled confidence and a treas sec that doesn’t think the #1 issue is to go 2.4T deeper in debt in 1 step to get past the election
reagan had to go thru this 18 times, thats more than twice a year, but you guys are right if we aren’t willing to give obama permission to spend 2.4T to get him past his election then we are RACISTS, color me racist please
“spook the market” Get it?
“spook the market” Get it?
cue SpookWaffle to come call us all racists in 3…2….
Did he already get permission when the budget passed?
Ten-year bond rates up a whopping 0.02% (almost to 3%!!!!). GASSSPPPP!!! What are we going to do about the Debt ceiling and our credit rating??? The pain must be stopped!
Really! It appears the fear mongers who claimed Treasury yields would skyrocket if no agreement was reached on the debt ceiling were completely off base.
I suspect this is because the market believes Geitner when he says that the US won’t default.
They are betting on an 11th hour compromise, even if it’s only a stop gap measure.
I thought the 11th hour was July 22nd, but apparently the day of reckoning can be postponed.
*They reserve the right to change any rule (including utimatums) at any time at the discretion of the Banksters and corrupt government. Its in the fine print. Elevated fear-levels will be maintained at all cost.
They can pass a stop gap bill raise to the ceiling, while they continue to fight over the budget.
They can vote next weekend and get any sort of bill to Obama to sign by Monday. That would be the 11th 3/4 hour, but still enough time. I suspect that is what will happen.
EARNINGS
JULY 25, 2011
Is Housing-Market Squeeze Tightening?
By DAWN WOTAPKA
At the start of the year, home builders were cautiously optimistic about their prospects for 2011. Home prices were picking up, prompting some builders to buy additional land and start to plan new communities.
What a difference a few months can make. The spring buying season—typically the strongest season for home sales—ended with a thud. Builders are now backtracking on the land deals and some prices have started to fall again.
With the downturn in its fifth year, some building executives say they thought things would be better by now. After all, families with kids in elementary and middle school when the downturn hit now have teenagers on their hands, causing some entry-level family homes to bust at the seams. While some of those families are buying, many others are choosing to stay cramped up rather than move up.
“There have certainly been some bumps in the road,” said Doug Yearley, chief executive of Toll Bros. Inc., the nation’s largest luxury builder.
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Now comes more troubling news: NVR Inc., long considered the industry darling because it managed to earn money during the downturn, reported a weak second quarter on Thursday. Profit slid 46% from a year earlier, dragged down as home closings tumbled 34%.
Particularly concerning is what NVR’s results might say about the Washington, D.C., market. That is NVR’s home market, and it had been one of the nation’s strongest performers. Unlike much of the rest of the nation, house prices in Washington and its suburban Virginia and Maryland neighbors were rising and foreclosures in many communities were relatively low.
But NVR, based in Reston, Va., said orders declined in the mid-Atlantic region, which includes Maryland. According to Raymond James Equity Research, the Washington area’s existing-home sales slumped 19% from a year earlier in June, compared with 8.8% nationwide.
[CORPWEEK] William Brown
‘Builders are going to disappoint investors because they’re going to continue to lose money,’ says a Housing Research Center analyst.
Industry watchers are now trying to figure out whether NVR’s performance signals further pain ahead for housing, or if Washington-area buyers are simply nervous over the debt-ceiling debate and scared about the possibility of government layoffs.
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the Washington area’s existing-home sales slumped 19% from a year earlier in June, compared with 8.8% nationwide.
This is kind of at odds with prices going UP, isn’t it?
Former U.S. Treasury Member Warns About Debt Ceiling Issue
July 25, 2011
(CNN) — It’s back to the drawing board for Democrats and Republicans.
The two sides failed to come to an agreement on raising the debt ceiling and reducing the deficit over the weekend.
Now both Democratic and Republican congressional leaders are expected to unveil new plans today.
This morning, a former under secretary for the U.S. Treasury Jay Powell told CNN it’s crucial for lawmakers to come to a deal and avoid a government default.
“I have spent a lot of time with members of both parties and leadership in both parties. Yeah, they do get it. The issue is that they’re trying to do something really, really hard here. And, you know, we’re not looking very functional right now from a political standpoint.
But it’s not because people up there on the Hill don’t understand how important it is that we avoid any kind of default. Not just a bond default, which is so unlikely, but defaulting on our benefits payments to seniors or disabled or the elderly. It’s just not something we should do as a country. And I do think the leadership is committed to avoiding that,” said Powell.
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Just think. When they announce a miraculous solution in the next few days, we will get some new “heros” out of this. Yes, the Congressmen and Senators who saved the World will be heralded as the true heros of our difficult time. Book deals? Awards?
UAW wants bigger cut of Detroit’s newfound profits
By DEE-ANN DURBIN and TOM KRISHER
AP Auto Writers
Posted on Mon, Jul. 25, 2011 10:26 AM
To help American carmakers stay in business, autoworkers grudgingly gave up pay raises and some benefits four years ago.
Now that General Motors, Ford and Chrysler are making money again, workers want compensation for their sacrifice. Just how much they get is the central question hanging over contract talks that start this week between Detroit and one of the nation’s largest and most powerful unions.
The negotiations, the first since Chrysler and GM took government aid and emerged from bankruptcy, will set wages and benefits for 111,000 members of the United Auto Workers, including those at Ford, which avoided bankruptcy by taking out massive private loans. The UAW’s four-year contracts with the Detroit Three expire on Sept. 14.
There’s more at stake than pay. After the industry’s brush with financial ruin in 2008 and 2009, both sides know how quickly Detroit’s sales and profitability could vanish. Sales are on pace to reach nearly 13 million cars and trucks this year, better than the 10 million in 2009, but still below the 17 million peak in 2005. Americans are worried about buying cars when wages and the job market are weak. The workers and Detroit companies can’t leave themselves vulnerable to rivals.
“Management’s not the enemy at this point,” says Jim Graham, a longtime local union president in Lordstown, Ohio, where workers make the Chevrolet Cruze car. “The enemy is the competition.”
Even so, the talks won’t be easy. Chrysler, which is run by Italian automaker Fiat, wants to hold the line on wages and benefits, while GM and Ford want to cut labor costs even more. There’s friction inside the union, too. Many workers are eager to get a share of company profits and restore pay raises and some benefits given up during the financial crisis.
“You want to get something back,” says Hans Smith, a worker at GM’s pickup plant in Flint, Mich., who knows they won’t get back all the concessions.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/07/25/3035170/uaw-wants-bigger-cut-of-detroits.html - -
I’m all for profit sharing but maybe the UAW should cool its jets and wait to see if the Big 3 are really as stable as they appear.
I dunno……maybe the plan is to follow the lead of the banksters; grab as much as you can as fast as you can, then bail/walk when the thing implodes.
Dedication, and “taking one for the team” is old paradigm thinking.
2 injured in water scooter crash at nudist resort
Posted on Monday, 07.25.11
The Associated Press
KISSIMMEE, Fla. — Authorities say two people were injured when their water scooter hit a sea wall near Cypress Cove Nudist Resort in Kissimmee.
An Osceola County Fire Rescue spokeswoman says the crash happened just before 8 p.m. Sunday. A man and a woman, both 62, were taken to Orlando Regional Medical Center.
A receptionist at the nudist resort says the man and woman were guests at Cypress Cove and had borrowed the watercraft from another guest. She says they were wearing their birthday suits while riding the scooter.
Witnesses told authorities the scooter was going about 40 mph before the crash.
Officials say the man suffered two broken arms and a cut on his head. The woman was treated and released. Their names were not immediately available.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/25/2329752/2-injured-in-water-scooter-crash.html - -
A nudist resort in Disney’s backyard? Who woulda thought?
Man and woman, both 62 years old? Ewwww!
No , not yet.
But getting close!
This may be the plan: Congress to act first on a short-term extension of the debt limit that would give the Treasury about $900 billion in additional borrowing authority — enough to pay the nation’s bills only through early next year. That would be paired with about $1.2 trillion in cuts to government agencies, including the Pentagon, over the next decade. Under the plan, Congress would also create a 12-member committee staffed with lawmakers from both the House and Senate and tasked with identifying at least $1.6 trillion in additional savings by a deadline set for later this year. We’ll soon find out.
. As Arthur Brooks writes in today’s Wall Street Journal, “This is not a political fight between Republicans and Democrats; it is a fight against 50-year trends toward statism. Also, it’s a moral fight, not an economic one. And this is not a fight anyone can win in the 15 months from now to to the presidential election. It will take hard work for at least a decade.”
Brooks argues that no one deserves voter support in his/her run for high political office unless that candidate is willing to work for as long as it takes to “win the moral fight to steer our nation back toward enterprise and self-governance..” {Brooks is President of the American Enterprise Institute.)
Why can’t we default on the Fed only? That alone should save us close to 2T.
Why can’t we default on the Fed only? That alone should save us close to 2T.
That’s the worst possible option, as that’s truly monetizing the debt.
The Fed simply printed those dollars. It’s not coming from elsewhere in the economy. At that point we might not even “pretend” by having the fed buy bonds and collect the interest. We might as well just let the treasury print at will…
Yeah, the banks governed themselves so well they had to be bailed out.
I don’t need to list the major foundation funders for the American Enterprise Institute, do I?
South African Man Wakes After 21 Hours in Morgue Fridge
July 25, 2011 | Associated Press
JOHANNESBURG – A South African health official says a man awoke to find himself in a morgue fridge — nearly a day after his family thought he had died.
Health department spokesman Sizwe Kupelo said Monday that the man awoke Sunday afternoon, 21 hours after his family called in an undertaker who sent him to the morgue after an asthma attack.
Kupelo says the man started yelling, prompting morgue workers to run away in fear. They eventually returned and removed him from the fridge. He was then taken to a nearby hospital and later discharged by doctors who deemed him stable.
The mortuary owner says his family is very happy to have him home.
Kupelo urged South Africans to call on health officials to confirm that their relatives are really dead.
He’s dead…..no, he’s feeling better.
Where have I seen that before?
but i don’t want to go on the cart!
Miracle Max: It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there’s usually only one thing you can do.
Inigo Montoya: What’s that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.
We’re making progress, folks, as even the BBC now uses the “used home” designation instead of the REIC-speak “existing homes” moniker.
The more the MSM calls a spade a spade, the sooner this housing bubble episode will be laid to rest.
Used home sales fall in June
20 July 2011 Last updated at 14:40 ET
US existing home sales fall to seven-month low in June
A for sale sign on a house in California
The US housing market is still struggling amid the weak economy and low credit availability
Sales of previously owned US homes fell 0.8% in June to a seven-month low with contract cancellations the main cause.
Contract cancellations jumped from 4% in May to a record 16% as the depressed US housing market continues.
The National Association of Realtors (NAR) said on Wednesday that sales were running at an annual rate of 4.77 million, the lowest since November.
The report overshadowed one on Tuesday that showed a jump in home construction to a six-month high in June.
The NAR cited a combination of factors that were keeping the market depressed, including the sluggish economy - especially the weak labour market - and the difficulty of getting credit.
Some buyers have cancelled purchases after valuations showed the homes were worth less than their initial bids.
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Some buyers have cancelled purchases after valuations showed the homes were worth less than their initial bids.
Back in mid-2005, the local fishwrap reported the same thing.
What happened back then was a bit of an appraisers’ strike. Meaning that the appraisers were no longer playing the “go along with the lofty price of the property” game. Instead, those mean ole appraisers actually grew a backbone and said “No way!” to those high house prices.
The upshot of this was that buyers had to bring more money to the table or sellers would have to drop their prices. Well guess what: Mexican standoff. Deals were falling through right and left.
And, that summer, there was a huge spike in the number of “for sale” signs around town. Some of them stayed up for many, many months. I can even think of some signs that stayed up for years.
In short, when the deals start falling through, look for a big drop in house prices.
“Mexican standoff.”
Is that anything like a Congressional debt ceiling standoff?
Lying Liar Realtor LIES from the Denver Post website today:
Metro Denver apartment vacancies drop to lowest level in a decade
“Apartment vacancies in the Denver metro area fell to a 10-year low in the second quarter, dropping to the lowest vacancy rate since the first quarter of 2001, according to a report released Monday.
The vacancy rate fell to 4.8 percent with apartment vacancy rates falling 21 percent year-over-year from last year’s second-quarter rate of 6.1 percent, according to the Apartment Association of Metro Denver and the Colorado Division of Housing.
The vacancy rate was also down from 2010’s first quarter rate of 5.5 percent.”
And the requisite REIC Lying Liar Realtors LIE: “With vacancy rates declining, there has been a corresponding jump in median rents in the Denver area.” I’m surprised they didn’t get a Yun quote in this story of LIES.
Meanwhile, the important news: Customers begin camping outside IKEA ahead of Wednesday’s grand opening
CENTENNIAL — “Two days before IKEA opens its 415,000-square-foot store in Centennial, dozens of folks are outside its doors with camping gear, food and umbrellas” blah blah blah sheeple
“Two days before IKEA opens its 415,000-square-foot store in Centennial, dozens of folks are outside its doors with camping gear, food and umbrellas” blah blah blah sheeple
Are they worried they’ll run out of Swedish meatballs?
Don’t you just want to drive past this line of people and yell “Get a life!” at ‘em?
RIM to Cut 2,000 Jobs as BlackBerry Loses Share
(Bloomberg)
The Blackberry Torch. RIM predicted last month that quarterly revenue may drop for the first time in nine years. The company is losing market. Photographer: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg
Enlarge image RIM to Cut 2,000 Jobs as BlackBerry Loses Market Share
An Apple iPhone 3G, left, and a BlackBerry Curve. The company is losing market share in the U.S. to Apple ’s iPhone and handsets running Google Inc.’s Android software. Photographer: Daniel Acker/Bloomberg
Research In Motion Ltd., maker of the BlackBerry smartphone, plans to cut 2,000 jobs, or about a tenth of its workforce, as sales slow amid market share losses to Apple Inc.’s iPhone.
The reductions, across all functions, are part of a plan to “focus on areas that offer the highest growth opportunities,” RIM said today in a statement. The job cuts will leave the Waterloo, Ontario-based company with about 17,000 employees.
RIM is history…
I agree.
On a personal note, one of my friends has a Blackberry. One evening in June, we were out at dinner and she was checking e-mail while we were awaiting our orders.
She wanted to show me one of her e-mails, so she handed me the Berry.
Unlike the iPhone and the Android, you can’t use your fingertip to push the screen view around. I thought that ability was standard on all smartphones. But I guess it isn’t.
A Rim job isn’t all it’s cracked up to be!
Bill Bonner
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The speaker was a weekend visitor, from Washington, DC, a man active in conservative politics.
“First, winning the Cold War was the biggest setback of our lifetimes. There was probably nothing we could do about it, but it unleashed 3 billion people to compete against us.
“But then, the US was still in a position to protect itself. We were providing a protective umbrella to Europe and Japan. Basically, we guaranteed their safety…with our nuclear arms. We also guaranteed their access to oil.
“We did this without getting anything in return. When the Europeans proposed to put up an airplane company that could compete with Boeing, we were still in a position to stop it. But the US was told that unless it went along with the Airbus program, NATO would be a dead issue. NATO was the means for the US to project power in Europe. Rather than let the empire go, the US gave up much of its aircraft industry.
“Same thing in Japan…and now in China. In order to finance the empire’s spending, the US had to give up its own manufacturing industry. That was the imperial bargain. ‘We’ll protect you and let you sell stuff to us…but you have to finance our empire.’”
“Are you saying the US shouldn’t allow foreign cars or foreign-made planes to be sold in the US,” we asked?
“No, I’m just saying that an empire is not a free market enterprise. It makes deals. The deals it made in Europe and Asia doomed its own manufacturers to failure and doomed its middle classes to poverty.
“All I’m saying is that this is part of the story of the empire. Yes, the zombies have taken over, as you put it. But it’s really an empire story. That’s the important part.
“It didn’t matter who was in the White House, Republican or Democrat. Liberal or conservative. They all did the same thing. They followed the imperial agenda. There were stupid leaders, such as George W. Bush. And there were smart leaders, such as Barack Obama. The stupid ones liked sending troops to Iraq, for example, and sent them. The smart ones didn’t like sending troops, but they sent them too. They all do the same thing. Because their real mission – whether they realize it or not – is to build out the empire.
“There were stupid leaders, such as George W. Bush. And there were smart leaders, such as Barack Obama.”
It is not difficult to see which way this writer swings the bat. Comments such as this make all else he says not worth considering.
AP-GfK Poll: Worries about debt rising once again
WASHINGTON (AP) — Just last fall, Americans were feeling better about their personal finances. Now they’re starting to worry more about how they’ll pay off debts as they feel the nation’s economic recovery wobbling.
With Congress deadlocked over how to deal with the national debt, household debt is causing stress for nearly half the country, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll. One in five adults worries about debt most or all of the time. If they bought something on a credit card in the past month, more than a third say they won’t pay it off when the bill comes.
The increased stress represents a reversal from last fall’s AP-GfK poll, which found increasing confidence about personal finances. Debt-related stress is up 17 percent from that November survey, bumping such worries back up to levels seen in 2009 and in the spring of last year.
“It’s not that our debt is huge. It’s just hard to make it, month to month,” said Theresa Telford, 45, a teacher’s aide raising four kids with her husband, a sheriff’s deputy. “It seems like everything is going up, but wages aren’t going up.”
Telford is also nervous because she’s watched so many people lose their jobs in her small town of Davenport, Wash., and some of her friends still can’t find work. Although the recession officially ended in June 2009, Americans display little faith in a recovery hobbled by grinding unemployment, slow economic growth, volatile gasoline and food prices and political feuding over how to stem the skyrocketing national debt. Consumer confidence fell to a seven-month low in June in the Conference Board’s survey.
Is there a J6P left out there that still buys into the “recession ended two years ago” propaganda? Sure they want it to end, and keep hoping that things will “bounce back” soon.
a teacher’s aide raising four kids with her husband
I’m not here to bust on anyone’s desire to have kids. But unless the plan is to put the kids to work at a young age in order to support the homestead, perhaps the Telfords should have considered how having this many kids would impact the family finances and their ability to lead a comfortable long-term living.
Just getting a little tired of people complicating their lives with tons of overhead and then complaining that they can’t pay for it. Nothing is “deserved” nor guaranteed.
+ infinity
(global climate change propagandist hands a flyer to my friend)
my friend: “no thanks…i have no children nor do i ever plan to…and thats enough.”
Fertility or infertility is often out of one’s control. Even the best birth control method’s (outside of abstinence) are reliable about 98-99% of the time. For people with exceptional fertility, one failure is all it takes. Some couples are unwilling to abort birth control failures.
At 45, her youngest is likely to be 10 or older. 10 years ago, the future looked a lot better for a teacher’s aide and sheriff’s deputy living in a small town in Washington. Housing was reasonably priced. Their jobs looked secure. He probably had great benefits. 9/11 hadn’t happened yet. We were recovering from the dot bomb, which may not have affected them much.
Tell that to the hardcore Catholics.
Remember the heady days of Fall 2008, when there were hundreds of billions of dollars available at the drop of a hat to fund the TARP?
What debt crisis? Plenty of welfare for banks but no money for the rest of us
July 25, 2011, 11:09 AM
By Cody Willard
You guys panicked about the US debt impasse yet? Sigh.
Let’s break down some relative numbers and see just how worried we should be about what the papers and TV are sure is the Most Important Economic Story of the Year.
Remember the original TARP bill? It was for less than $700 billion or so. The outcry was over the top from the public who rightly saw that the Republican/Democrat Regime and the Federal Reserve it allows to monopolize all currency and monetary actions were about to upwardly transfer unprecedented wealth to a bunch of insolvent and crooked bankers.
At the time, I was on TV, interviewing Republican and Democrat Senators and Congressman, all of who confirmed that the public was against the TARP bill by about 9 to 1. Several congressman told me that they’d never seen such a strong consensus from their constituents.
So the bill failed.
And Wall Street tanked for a day by a couple, few percent.
So the Republican/Democrat Regime added another $150 billion or so of pure pork to the TARP bailout. I’m still talking about summer 2008, when it was a Republican Administration (you know those guys who say they are “conservative” and “capitalists”) and a Democrat Congress (you know those guys who say they are “liberal” and for “level playing fields”). These same people, including Obama, McConnell, Boehner, and Reid, somehow were able to find the budget for $150 billion in pork in one day. That’s about 1/6 of a trillion dollars of bribes pork that these guys somehow were able to find in the midst of the “worst financial crisis” in history so that the bankers who backed them and who needed the $700 billion outright welfare infusion to keep from having their own businesses liquidated and purchased by a smarter, more conservative businessmen and bankers.
Guess what happened when these same guys who say we are facing a budge crisis now revoted on that expanded $800 billion TARP bill that included an extra $150 billion or so of outright pork — yup, it passed with all that targeted pork that came out of the US debt. Heck remember the special break on Medicaid for Nebraska citizens that they included as part of the great TARP bailout package that no other state’s citizens deserved apparently?
And don’t believe any of that propaganda about TARP having been paid back. The banks and the Federal Reserve have created upwards of ten trillion dollars of other welfare and bailout programs since the original TARP passed. I mean, do you guys even remember that the entire US government debt was only $8 trillion when we started the bailouts in 2008?
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Meanwhile, up in Vermont, Senator Sanders is calling out the bailout recipients. Key point:
A few days ago, the nonpartisan Government Accountability Office completed the first independent investigation into the emergency actions taken by the Federal Reserve. As a result of this investigation, we now know that the Federal Reserve provided a jaw-dropping $16 trillion in total financial assistance to some of the largest financial institutions and corporations in the world.
Among the investigation’s key findings is that the Fed unilaterally provided trillions of dollars in financial assistance to foreign banks and corporations from South Korea to Scotland. In my view, no agency of the United States government should be allowed to bail out a foreign bank or corporation without the direct approval of Congress and the president.
The GAO also determined that the Fed lacks a comprehensive system to deal with conflicts of interest, despite the serious potential for abuse. In fact, according to the report, the Fed provided conflict-of-interest waivers to employees and private contractors so they could keep investments in the same financial institutions and corporations that were given emergency loans.
Sanders for President!
“Vermonters and people throughout this country deserve a government that works for them, not just the CEOs on Wall Street.”
Best case scenario: He runs for President as an Independent. And he puts a major scare into the two major parties. Especially when he starts pulling crowds as big — or bigger — than the ones Obama drew in 2008.
“I mean, do you guys even remember that the entire US government debt was only $8 trillion when we started the bailouts in 2008?”
i still have the documentary “10 trillion and counting” in my streaming netflix cue.
“TrueDoNothing™ / “TrueObstructionists™ / TrueGridLokers™”
The “TrueBeliever’s™ / “TrueHypocrite’s™” hired gun$, rode into town on this day: Jan 21st 2009
I apologize if this has been presented here. I haven’t been on the blog for few weeks.
http://innovation.cq.com/media/debt_components/
Very telling chart, I just wish the countries represented had been individually shown.
Tankxs!
I still just love this quote from the piss-ant TTT. He makes it clear that “they” will find it very hard. He certainly knows he won’t.
” …This is a very tough economy and I think for a lot of people it’s going to be, it’s going to feel very hard, harder than anything they’ve experienced in a lifetime… ”
-Tim Geithner July 2011
I see Barry is asking for more air time on TV tonight, to pump his BS. I’ll be watching antiques road show.
And, if the rain doesn’t dump torrents on it, I’ll be doing the Meet Me at Maynards walk around Downtown Tucson.
It’s been dust dry here, no rain in a month.
From the same article.
But sadly tea party has already been hijacked by the neocons…..
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“And what I’m proposing is to eliminate the deficit by renouncing the empire. Of course, this would come as a huge shock to the public. They thought the Pentagon was defending them from something. They don’t even realize that we have an empire. They have no idea what it costs, what it means, or what might happen if we didn’t have one. We’ve never had that debate. Woodrow Wilson launched the nation directly on the path of empire, but there was never any discussion of it. No debate in Congress was ever held. Instead, every time we went further and further away from real national defense – such as when Wilson sent troops in WWI – it was always justified in defense terms. Even then, we were supposedly ‘making the world safe for democracy.’
“But that’s just the way it works. Every empire transforms its own expansion into self defense measures. Germany invaded the Sudetenland, and then Poland largely to secure its own frontiers. Japan marched down Southeast Asia to secure its lifeline of resources. Britain conquered half the world to protect its manufactures….and Napoleon invaded Russia to remove the threat on the East.
“The US didn’t have any real enemies – after the Soviet Union folded up – so it had to invent this whole terrorism thing. Now, we have our forces all over the Mideast and now North Africa, to protect the USA from terrorism. That’s what they say.
“And here’s the scary thing. In all the many examples of empires, none…not one…ever backed up. None ever renounced its imperial destiny. None ever thought better of it. Instead, they all went headlong…forward…until they finally got their butts kicked.
“Some people in the Tea Party…and even in the Republican Party…see what has happened. They understand how the nation has become addicted to cheap credit, cheap money, and to expensive imperial adventures. They are afraid that if they don’t get control of it now, it will soon be too late.
“And my hope for the nation is that they will be successful. I believe there is hope. I think that if we can make the link clear – between the imperial, big spending, big credit, big government project…and the coming bankruptcy of the nation…we might be able to turn the country around.
“At best, it will be a close run. Because the military is about the only institution in America that people still trust. They don’t trust Congress or the banks…or the political parties…or the rich…or the big corporations. And we have no national church, they might trust.
“So, when push comes to shove, the Tea Partiers – like everyone else – are likely to back the military and the empire. There seems to be a knee-jerk reaction; when you’re faced with adversity, you back your military, no matter what they’re doing. Even when it brings you close to extinction. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the Tea Party get mixed up and hijacked by the neo-cons and the big-government imperialists in the conservative movement.
“Just the other day, I heard Rush Limbaugh make the argument. He said we should give the Pentagon our full support, because it was the only institution we can still believe in. A lot of Tea Partiers feel the same way. They don’t make the connection between central planning, big budgets, unlimited credit and the big, imperial agenda.
“So, I know I might lose this fight. The Tea Partiers will probably choose the Empire over the Republic…they’ll probably prefer politics to markets. They’ll probably back the troops…and let the country go broke. But if I’m going to live in the United States of America I’ve got to take a stand…I’ve got to do something. And this is all I can do.”
OMG!
I just saw a TV ad for “Care One”, a credit counseling service, so I fired up my computer, went to google and typed in the words “care one scams” and received TWENTY-FOUR MILLION ENTRIES!
I read a few of the entries and now I want to slit my wrists.
What Boehner didn’t say may be much more important than what he said:
1) We insist on the opportunity to make the President look like a weak negotiator on the debt ceiling one more time between now and the 2012 election.
2) If he adopts our proposal, the economy will go back into recession between now and November 2012, a predictable development which we will ruthlessly blame on Obama.
3) We don’t talk about the distributional effects of our proposal.
The “TrueBeliever’s™ / “TrueHypocrite’$™” Chorus singing gleefully:
“TrueDoNothing!™”
“TrueObstructionist$!™”
“TrueGridLockers!™”
July 26, 2011, 12:01 a.m. EDT
The Fed should twist again
Commentary: Monetary policy’s all that stands between us and recession
By Irwin Kellner, MarketWatch
PORT WASHINGTON, N.Y. (MarketWatch) — With the economy still weak and the politicians unable to agree on a plan to lift the debt ceiling, it might be time for the Federal Reserve to embark on QE3.
Before you think I have lost my mind, please examine the three facts listed below.
First and most important, the economy — supposedly out of recession for two years — is not in good shape. After rising at a paltry rate of 1.9% in the first quarter, the gross domestic product likely crept ahead at an even slower pace in the second, according to the MarketWatch consensus. This is why the unemployment rate now stands at 9.2% — the highest since the end of last year.
The next fact worth noting is that any agreement to increase the debt ceiling will involve a tightening of fiscal policy. Indeed, such policy has already tightened, since spending by Washington has fallen substantially — enough to cost tens of thousands of federal employees their jobs.
Finally, long-term interest rates have backed up. After dropping to a 52-week low of 2.82%, the yield on the Treasury’s ten-year note has once again reached 3%. While its yield has been much higher, it has also been much lower and in this economy, lower is better.
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