July 26, 2011

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Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-07-26 01:09:00

So, Obama says he may go along with effort to riase the debt ceiling without significant spending cuts or any tax increases…

WEAK!!!

Years ago, when people asked why I wanted house prices to collapse and bring the economy down with them, my response was simple. It is inevitable, and the sooner it happens, the less destructive it will be. Things can’t start getting better until they stop getting worse first.

Well, same with the exploding debt. Yes, when we stop the massive deficits that are keeping the economy inflated, we return to full collapse mode. But, things can’t start getting better until the first stop getting worse.

Do I want a greator depression? Of course not. However, it is inevitable, and the sooner things stop getting worse and really begin correcting, the sooner they will begin to start getting better.

We have massive trade imbalances, and so far attempts to make them better have just caused import and commodity prices to increase, making trade deficits worse.

Comment by Martin
2011-07-26 03:57:45

Debt Ceiling:

Looks like nothing would happen this week and over the weekend both parties will sit down for a solution.

I hope we realise sooner than later not to become Greece and fix the issues rather than make them worse by kicking the can down the road.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 05:47:38

fix the issues

And the devil is in the details. Fix the issues how?

Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-07-26 06:09:58

Massive tax increases (treat capital gains as income subject to SS and regular income tax rates, expire the bush tax cuts on everyone, eliminate the cap on Social Security witholding while flattening the payout) on the rich and massive cuts to Social Security (20%, not phased in) and Defense(massive cuts to virtually all new weapons programs, no new ships for the Navy and mothball about half of the ships we already have). Non-profit healthcare funds with real death panels and the ability to group negotiate on medication prices. Tort-reform to greatly reduce healthcare malpractice and other legal costs.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-07-26 06:39:23

Darryl’s got a solution. Who’s in?

Anyone?… Buehler?…

BTW, I was 100% in agreement with the recommendations of the Simpson-Bowles commission. Whatever happened to it?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 06:42:34

Darryl’s got a solution. Who’s in?

There’s some good stuff there.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 07:11:55

“Who’s in?”

Well, the TeaKoch party, and its reps, will oppose most of them lock, stock, and two smoking barrels.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 07:37:00

Most of the stuff is good, but Darrell, where are the jobs? Bring them back from overseas, and you won’t need to cut that 20% out of SS, which IMO is too draconian. You could also keep some of those defense jobs.

 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-07-26 08:29:37

Lots of discussion on HBB about the 1%ers (see also May 2011 Vanity Fair article), but it’s really the 0.1%ers who are taking a bigger slice of the pie, as illustrated by this groovy graph:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/business/income-inequality/
“The top 0.1 percent of the population saw the sharpest increase in income share, taking home 2.6% of the nation’s earnings in 1975 and 10.4% in 2008.”

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 09:24:56

“The top 0.1 percent of the population saw the sharpest increase in income share, taking home 2.6% of the nation’s earnings in 1975 and 10.4% in 2008.”

Nice find. It presents facts that go against many on the right’s biased opinions. Now let me show you all how many of those on the right deal with facts that weaken their selfish worldview case. They’ll say stuff like this.

“Those figures are from the government and every one knows you can’t trust the gov.” or “Left-wing socialist propaganda” or the favorite. “Yea, let’s all tax and hate the evil rich” or “All rich are evil huh”. “Left-wing, main stream media is all liberal biased” or “Those articles are “all fluff”.

They don’t deal with facts well.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 10:57:18

They don’t deal with facts well.

Simply unbelievable that the top 10% who have about 50% of the income want to balance the budget on the backs of the the bottom ninety percent, who have about1/10 th of their average income.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 12:13:04

Marie Antoinette didn’t get it either.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-26 13:03:11

+100 to Bill in Carolina. We all voted yes immediately in our office.

The Senate seemingly would vote yes based on the gang of six proposal (based on Simpson Bowles), with bi-partisan support.

The President would vote yes.

Would the House?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-26 17:01:32

“Massive tax increases”

Are Boehner and company on board with that plan?

 
 
Comment by Rancher
2011-07-26 07:25:03

Eliminate the EPA, DOE, HUD, BLM…..Let the states
handle it locally and for a cheaper price.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 07:35:24

Eliminate the EPA…..Let the states
handle it locally and for a cheaper price.

Would this not cause a state “race to the bottom” in standards?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 07:48:43

“Let the states handle it locally and for a cheaper price”

Hah! Thanks for the laugh! The Federal government is the only thing standing between my state turning its mountain region into a giant parking lot in the search for coal (mountaintop removal mining- they chop off the top of the mountain and dump it into the surrounding valleys to get at the coal). It would be cheaper in the short run to just let them do it, until the widescale flooding began. Not to mention the massive losses of wildlife and woods and streams and fresh water, but of course that’s hippie crap.

And other states are no better. If you think big biz is good at buying off the federal gov, you ought to see them work on the local boys.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 08:41:54

If you think big biz “Bidne$$ is good at buying off the federal gov, you ought to see them work on the local boys.

“hoc tui splat!” (In Montana™)

(Rancher, weren’t you the one who provided the example of the “buried-used-car” being “utilized” as an un-regulated-free-market septic system”?)

 
Comment by jimbo
2011-07-26 09:10:09

tax cuts and the wars were two major reasons why the deficits have ballooned so far ahead. the tax cuts we got the last 10 years will end up costing each of us more than we ever got out of it. in hindsight, it was a bad move by Bush back then and there’s going to much pain ahead. this is a debt that won’t just be passed along to our children but each of us will be burdened by the effects of it.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 09:34:08

tax cuts and the wars were two major reasons why the deficits have ballooned so far ahead.

Dean Baker cites the collapse of our beloved housing bubble as another reason for the huge deficits.

Key point from Baker’s story:

The Congressional Budget Office’s projections from January of 2008, the last ones made before it recognized the housing bubble and the implications of its collapse, showed a deficit of just $198 billion for 2009, the year President Obama took office. In other words, the deficit was absolutely not “on track to top $1 trillion.”

This is what is known as a “gaffe” of enormous proportions. It indicates that President Obama does not have the most basic understanding of the nature of the budget problems the country faces. He apparently believes that there was a huge deficit on an ongoing basis as a result of the policies in place prior to the downturn. In fact, the deficits were relatively modest. The huge deficits came about entirely as a result of the economic downturn brought about by the collapse of the housing bubble.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-07-26 10:34:19

The huge deficits came about entirely as a result of the economic downturn brought about by the collapse of the housing bubble.

I wish they’d start referring to the underlying cause - the “debt bubble” - instead of the side effects of that bubble, which were increases in prices of everything purchased with debt - housing, education, etc.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 11:02:29

Let’s not forget that a lot of the war expenses were “off budget”. The deficit was worse than advertised in 2008.

The initial estimate in 2008 was for 240B, it wound up being 438B and I expect the real deficit was worse.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 14:47:38

Let ALSO not forget the millions of decent paying jobs that have been sent overseas.

Not to mention the millions of secondary jobs lost from suppliers/vendors/retailers because the primary job losses.

On other words, millions of decent paychecks that can no longer be taxed.

Millions of paychecks. Paychecks that paid, just in straight income tax alone, taxes of at LEAST $1000 per year of more.

AT THE LEAST.

 
 
 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-07-26 06:06:18

“not to become Greece”

-WE taught Greece how to Greece.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 12:17:38

…and gave them the best Goldman Sachs consulting that money can buy to help them be the way there are, as well.

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Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-07-26 04:45:57

Simple math
GDP = consumption + investment + government_spending + exports - imports
So if government spends less money that is a direct hit to the “governemnt_spending” component. You also get indirect hits to consumption. The laid off government employee is probably not in much of a spending mood. Additionally you get a smaller hit to investment, think defense contractors for example.
In short, if spending gets cut significantly we will be in another recession. The only way to avoid serious withdrawl symptoms is more smack.
Once your debt has been growing significantly faster than your GDP it is extremely difficult and painful to turn things around. There are very few examples in history where this has been successfully done (New Zealand), typically it ends in some type of default. Since our politicians can’t even get the easy things right there is little hope that they can excel at the difficult challenges. Also pain is something we’re not used to any longer, the politicians can’t take it and the American public won’t have any of it. Yes, no more deficits, cut spending, but cut the other guy’s program. I worked hard for my medicare/social security/gubernmint cheese.
Republicans are unwilling to inflict even the least amount of pain on fat cats paying 10% capital gains or military spending while Democrats want to keep the gubernmint cheese coming full throttle.
My guess is things will continue as usual for a while longer until creditors lose confidence in US treasuries. When exactly that will happen is anybody’s guess.
Personally, I hope they keep the money spigots wide open. The bad times will come soon enough and will stay much longer than most realize. Get it while you can!

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 05:22:16

I worked hard for my medicare/social security

Why do people keep harping on SS? It’s not the cause for the near 2 trillion deficit. And there is a good reson for this. Unlike the super rich who saw their income taxes fall to historic lows, J6P was not given a break on the payroll tax (except for the temporary one year partial tax holiday this year). So SS remained funded this past decade while the rest of the federal budget, which is funded mostly via income taxes, was not.

I briefly saw Boehner on the news yesterday, claiming the Americans wanted “Spending cuts”.

Cut where, Mr. Speaker? You’ve repeatedly said that the military budget is off limits, so where will you cut the 1.7 trillion deficit from? Or do you expect Americans to continue paying the payroll tax but not get any SS or Medicare benefits in return? If so that’s a tax increase, but one that impacts the lower and middle classes (surprise, surprise).

Why is the GOP so hell bent on balancing the budget on the backs of those who can least afford it?

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-07-26 05:35:32

Why is the GOP so hell bent on balancing the budget on the backs of those who can least afford it?

Because the issues of ‘gays, guns, and God’ outweigh rational thought in their constituents who vote against their own economic self-interests, as described in Thomas Frank’s book ‘What’s The Matter With Kansas’.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-07-26 05:46:35

‘What’s The Matter With Kansas’.

Best book ever.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 06:58:40

Because the issues of ‘gays, guns, and God’ outweigh rational thought in their constituents who vote against their own economic self-interests ;-)

‘gays, guns, and God’ = Cheney wearing his duck hunting cap while reloading shotgun shells with his daughter before going to church.

“TruePurity™ / TrueHypocrite™”

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 05:54:14

Because “those who can least afford it” are also those who can least afford to lobby Congresscritters.
Because the rich “worked hard” and deserve their corporate jets more than Grandma deserves her medications.
Because the “producers” deserve that second yacht more than poor kids deserve food stamps.

As for “government cheese,” do jobs count as government cheese?

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Comment by speedingpullet
2011-07-26 09:12:58

As for “government cheese,” do jobs count as government cheese?

Apparently, they don’t count as jobs. Well, govt jobs don’t, anyway. They aren’t proper jobs, according to our lords and masters.

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-07-27 00:16:01

Hey, pullet!

Yay.

 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-07-26 06:02:24

The problems with social security are:
1. current recipients collectively get much larger payments than what they would be rightfully entitled too given their past contributions.
2. SS is going negativ starting last year. It’s going to get worse as time continues.
3. When you pay into SS you are entrusting politicians with your hard earned money. that never, ever ends well.
SS, medicare and medicaid combined make up about 40% of federal spending. You simple can’t exclude 40% of the budget if your income (taxes) only cover 60% of your expenditure. It is just not possible.
And yes, I am for raising taxes on the rich. Especially those that only pay capital gains taxes. It will take ALL OF THE ABOVE to turn things around. Simply pointing fingers and saying cut the other guy’s program or raise his taxes but not mine is not going to do it, not this time around.

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 06:22:57

SS, medicare and medicaid combined make up about 40% of federal spending. You simple can’t exclude 40% of the budget if your income (taxes) only cover 60% of your expenditure. It is just not possible. And yes, I am for raising taxes on the rich. Especially those that only pay capital gains taxes. It will take ALL OF THE ABOVE to turn things around. Simply pointing fingers and saying cut the other guy’s program or raise his taxes but not mine is not going to do it, not this time around.

President Obama said precisely this last night. However, that social safety net needs to be handled carefully. There are far too many people who can barely chain from month to month. Cutting so much as a dollar would hurt them.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2011-07-26 10:31:46

And I suspect that a plan that did just that could pass both houses of congress, albeit without votes from “tea party” Republicans or “Don’t touch Social Security” AARP thralls on the Democratic side. The real difficulty is that the leadership doesn’t want to bring that to the floor, afraid that they will alienate the “tea party” types.

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-07-26 06:18:19

Two reasons I harp on Social Security:
1) It is running a slight deficit now, but the massive wave of Boomers that are coming will throw the program into massive deficits in the very near future.

2) Social Security was created to run surplusses to hide other deficits. If SS starts cashing in its $4T in treasuries it will put preasure on debt markets. If it is not running a massive surplus, then we have $1.4T in other taxes and $3T in other expenses. Since many of these expenses are not easily cut (interest on the debt, pensions to retired military and other workers, programs with direct offsetting revenue (unemployment, National Parks and Forrests, etc) then without cuts to Social Security the cuts to other programs will have to be GINORMOUS!

Instead of 50% cut to Medicare and Medicaid and DoD, we’d need 75% cuts to balance the budget wihtout cutting Social Security.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 06:39:27

I agree that SS needs to be adjusted to be viable in the future, but the fact remains that TODAY it is not responsible for the deficit. Fix what is causing deficits TODAY and fix SS for the future.

The problem is the righties want to use the payroll tax to pay for wars.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 06:41:29

“the massive wave of Boomers that are coming will throw the program into massive deficits in the very near future. ”

Show us the numbers. You buying a line of propaganda.

“If SS starts cashing in its $4T in treasuries it will put preasure on debt markets”

They won’t ‘cash in’ the Treasuries, in the sense of selling them all at once. They simply won’t be buying more Treasuries as the ones they hold mature.

“Social Security was created to run surplusses to hide other deficits.”

When SS was created, the gov had no way of knowing that there would be a future baby boom that would provide large surpluses to the system.

Social Security is not a major budgetary problem. It’s just a cash cow that the rich want to raid. You see, if we don’t honor our obligations to SS, there’s more room for cutting taxes on the rich.

You can be sure the Treasuries owned by the wealthy will be paid in full, after Social Securities’ Treasuries are ruled ‘too expensive to pay back’.

 
Comment by measton
2011-07-26 07:22:57

I’d like to see those #’s as well.
I’m sure you can show most get more out then they put in, but how much more than what they would get if they put the money in long term treasuries and didn’t pay taxes on the income for 30-40 years?

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-07-26 07:26:10

The problem is the righties want to use the payroll tax to pay for wars.

So how do the “lefties” propose to pay for the military action they’ve supported? Dem congress gave Bush the A-OK to go into Afghanistan and Iraq. Democratic CinC has kept us there. Democratic CinC has gotten us involved in yet another military entanglement.

So if “righties want to use the payroll tax to pay for wars”, how do you “lefties” propose we pay for the military action you’ve supported and initiated?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 07:38:30

So how do the “lefties” propose to pay for the military action they’ve supported?

The wars were partially supported by lies told number one. Number 2, no one said anything about 10 years and counting and no end in sight. I though one was “mission accomplished”.

how do you “lefties” propose we pay for the military action you’ve supported and initiated?

We want out.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 08:04:03

The problem is the righties “TrueDeceiver$™” want to use the peon-worker-citizen payroll tax to pay for “TrueMilitaryIndustrialComplexProphet$Inc.™” war$. ;-)

“…if you tax them less, they can hire more people!”

Hurry! reduce/eliminate their taxe$, hurry,… Cinder$ & Ashe$…Schemer$ & Scammmer$…Agonie$ & Pain$, help ‘em…help ‘em.

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-07-26 08:52:27

The wars were partially supported by lies told number one. Number 2, no one said anything about 10 years and counting and no end in sight. I though one was “mission accomplished”.

True for both sides, though. Looking at general populace or politicians, I’d argue both “sides” supported iraq due to lies. However, all were on board for afghanistan.

We want out.

I fail to believe this. Dems ran for congress in 2006 with a platform of getting out of Iraq. Yet, they didn’t do anything to advance that goal. Obama said much of the same. Yet here we are, not only still involved in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in Libya as well.

The “leftie” politicians are all talk in this regard, with no action whatsoever. As far as the “leftie” populace, I’m not so sure. They sure aren’t holding politicians’ feet to the fire for failing on their promise in 2006, and in 2008, and even the new military engagement abroad.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 09:01:18

Social Security is not a major budgetary problem. It’s just a cash cow that the rich want to raid

Ding, ding, ding … we have a winnner!

So if “righties want to use the payroll tax to pay for wars”, how do you “lefties” propose we pay for the military action you’ve supported and initiated?

We kemosabe? I don’t recall that I ever supported the wars (and I’m not even a leftie). Why? Because I knew what the outcome would be … the Forever War. Many others raised this objection and were shouted down.

And as Rio said, we were lied to about the WMDs. And we should get out, now. We can’t afford the wars and the people of Iraq and Afghanistan don’t want us there.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 09:26:37

We want out.

I fail to believe this.

We the people want out. Believe it.

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-07-26 09:40:49

We kemosabe? I don’t recall that I ever supported the wars (and I’m not even a leftie). Why? Because I knew what the outcome would be … the Forever War. Many others raised this objection and were shouted down.

Clearly you know what I was asking.

Fine, you’re not in the “leftie” camp (based on what you argue here I’d disagree with that, but I’ll let you label yourself).

Since you’re attacking the right here…please tell me how the “lefties” (which you are not one of) intend to pay for the wars they support and engage us in? As I’ve shown above, the lefties are just as responsible for us being involved in 3 military conflicts as the righties are.

 
Comment by CrackerBob
2011-07-26 10:05:02

“Dem congress gave Bush the A-OK to go into Afghanistan and Iraq”

Really, the republicans were the majority party for the first six (6) years of the Cheney-Bush presidency. Do you bother to check your facts, or just repeat what Fox tells you to say?

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-07-26 10:53:54

Really, the republicans were the majority party for the first six (6) years of the Cheney-Bush presidency. Do you bother to check your facts, or just repeat what Fox tells you to say?

Personal attacks…great.

Sorry, I didn’t type out my entire thought. Yes, you’re correct, Congress was republican controlled. What I meant to say was the dem congresscritters.

Do you dispute that statement?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 11:13:45

Yes, you’re correct, Congress was republican controlled. What I meant to say was the dem congresscritters.

And led into war by a Republican president who lied. The Republicans own those wars much more than the Dems.

 
Comment by CrackerBob
2011-07-26 12:35:34

I apoligize.

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-07-26 12:46:36

And led into war by a Republican president who lied. The Republicans own those wars much more than the Dems.

You’re totally missing the point. It’s not about “owning” the wars. The bottom line is the dems have supported them, have been in a position to stop them, and haven’t. You want to argue the pubs started them? Sure, let’s assume that. The dems have chosen to continue them, and must own that.

At any point congress could have defunded the military and the CiC could have ordered our troops home. They have done neither. Their anti-war stance is mere lip service.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-26 13:11:40

Alpha-

“They won’t ‘cash in’ the Treasuries, in the sense of selling them all at once. They simply won’t be buying more Treasuries as the ones they hold mature.”

And as those mature, we need to pay them off. As the $2.6T is wound down, we need to find a source. I suspect it will be borrowing from elsewhere, not surpluses–in addition to the expected borrowing needed for the “normal” deficit.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 14:18:34

You’re totally missing the point. It’s not about “owning” the wars.

American wars are much easier to start than to end.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 14:49:38

It’s not about “owning” the wars.

Yes. Yes it DAMN well is!

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 17:05:02

“And as those mature, we need to pay them off.”

Correct. Just like any other Treasuries. If we’re going to default on any, let’s default on the foreign-owned Treasuries, not the ones owned by our own citizens. Wouldn’t that be more patriotic?

 
 
Comment by drumminj
2011-07-26 07:22:34

Unlike the super rich who saw their income taxes fall to historic lows, J6P was not given a break on the payroll tax (except for the temporary one year partial tax holiday this year)

So you’re saying the rich got a break on their payroll taxes?

No? They didn’t? They did get breaks on income taxes though. So did J6P.

Let’s compare apples to apples here, eh?

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 07:41:36

They did get breaks on income taxes though. So did J6P.

Common misleading argument…. I’m sure the guy making a million bucks a year is happier with his 150K tax cut than the guy making 30K is happy with his $400 tax break.

Let’s compare apples to apples here, eh?

Yea, let’s.

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-07-26 08:54:02

Common misleading argument….

It’s misleading to use the same measure for comparison? That’s new to me.

It’s “fair” to use a percentage-based tax across the board, rather than fixed dollar amount. But if cuts follow the same percentage, all of a sudden it’s not fair anymore? When it comes to cuts it’s only fair if the dollar amount is the same?

Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? Really?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 09:05:36

Not only that, but for lower income earners the SS holiday was more than offset by the loss of the “make work pay” (or whatever its called) tax credit that was taken away.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 09:45:59

But if cuts follow the same percentage, all of a sudden it’s not fair anymore?

They did not follow the same percentage - especially when including capital gains.

Even not including the capital gain the middle-class saves about 2% of their income with the Bush tax cuts and the top 1% making over a million a year saves almost 5% of their income on taxes. There’s a big difference in percentages there. 2% vs 5%.

From CNN dot com on Bush’s tax cuts for the rich:

Families with average incomes of $56,200 saw their average effective tax rate fall to 2.9 percent in 2004 from 5 percent in 2000, which translated to an average tax cut of $1,180 per household, but the tax rate actually increased slightly from 2003, the paper said.

Households in the top 1 percent of earnings, which had an average income of $1.25 million, saw their tax rate drop to 19.6 percent in 2004 from 24.2 percent in 2000. which translated to an average tax cut of almost $58,000, the paper said, citing the budget office.

Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? Really?

 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 10:15:39

It’s “fair” to use a percentage-based tax across the board, rather than fixed dollar amount.

No it is not fair, because neither of you are taking “threshold” into account. Extreme example: If you raise taxes to, say, 80%, the $1M guy probably won’t even feel it. The $30K guy will starve on the sidewalk. Yet, they are paying equal tax rates.

OK, let’s go “progressive.” Let’s have the $1M guy pay 80% and the $30K pay 40% or so. Even then, the $30K guy still starves.

Equal percentage doesn’t work, drummin. There needs to be some formula for what income covers basic needs, and then tax progressively from there. This is why food is not taxed, but clothing is.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 11:06:07

The best part of Boehner’s rebuttal was his tone of voice. He sounded arrogant and impatient. I thought, “no way, that must be oxide’s liberal bent hearing that.” So I listened again. Yep, Bohner sounded angry at somebody.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-26 13:06:34

Stop interrupting their rhetoric with math.

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Comment by salinasron
2011-07-26 06:08:23

“Personally, I hope they keep the money spigots wide open. The bad times will come soon enough and will stay much longer than most realize. Get it while you can!”

Yeah, party on Mike. Put your head in the sand and your arm out for your next fix. Addictions are great while they last.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-07-26 11:18:35

I keep hearing the addiction analogy - we should just go through the withdrawls and get it over with. Sometimes, withdrawl can be fatal.

I keep hearing the bandaid analogy - pull it off quick. What if a more accurate analogy is not a bandaid, but a tourniquet?

Crashing our current system may lead to better times, eventually. But eventually may be so far out that none of us will live to see it.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 12:12:07

Haven’t you heard? We must destroy America in order to save it. It’s kind of a ‘born-again’ thing- a major archetype in the American psyche.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-26 13:15:17

That’s why Simpson-Bowles makes so much sense. It slowly weans us off the drug, in a way that is credible to the rest of the world, and won’t plunge us into recession.

You brake your speeding car slowly to come to a stop…you don’t crash it into a building.

 
 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2011-07-26 17:02:41

Your simple math is not so simple. It’s Keynesian Claptrap.
GDP is a moronic measure of “productivity”, but that’s another story.
GOVERNMENT spending means first stealing production from the private sector in the form of taxes or “deficit spending” in the form of debt. That’s what this whole argument is about.
It assumes you actually have “income” from the private sector in excess, to pay back the “deficit” sometime in the future. We don’t.
If the government wasn’t taxing and “spending”, more people would have more money of their own for “consumption”. You can then re-balance your equation.

the problem with this whole “economic view” is that it assumes that “government” will provide a more economical way of spending the money. We all know this to be false. Just like “Obamacare”, all honest accounting figures show the costs will go up. You can’t interject a whole new beaurocracy into the system and get more “efficiency”. You can, however, get a whole bunch more people sucking off the “government”, meaning, other people.

As for SS and all that stuff you think you should get. We all know it’s unaffordable and will collapse. If you compute the INPUT over the LIFETIME of employment PAID into SS, Medicare, etc, etc, you can easily see that most people are PAID OUT ALL if their input in a few short years, 10 to 12 on the long end. the rest is just stealing from others. It’s a PONZI scheme that’s run out of players. Naturally, everyone getting it thinks they are “entitled” to it and every one of them has the same story about how they “worked all their life” for the benefits they get. Usually it’s not true.
With government workers it’s really not true. The problem of course is “years of service” to years of “retirement”.
You can’t work for 20 years and then collect 35 years of “benefits” at 80 to 90% of your base pay. It’s just impossible. The solution to such ridiculous “benefits” is simple. Yea, you can get your “retirement”, when your old enough to retire. AGE 65 Minimum.
So if you are 38 years old, with 20 years at the County, NO, you don’t get to live off the citizens for the rest of you life for your “service”. You get a “lump sum settlement” or in another 27 years, you can collect your “retirement”.
But they all “earned it”. Give me a break.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 07:30:49

Darell:

I still think you don’t understand the impact of forcing all Americans to read, write and speak English for their government check, or to get released from jail.

With a nation of clear speaking Americans they can compete for jobs, and H1B, illegals, shipping jobs overseas, would not be so necessary. Also it seems 90% of people in jails are illiterate, so hopefully our inner city crime rates will drop like a rock, if they spoke English.

Imagine the cost savings there.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 07:41:20

“With a nation of clear speaking Americans they can compete for jobs, and H1B, illegals, shipping jobs overseas, would not be so necessary.”

You’re kidding, right?

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 07:44:55

well we’ve never tried this….lets give a real chance to work

A little tough love…What do we have to lose?

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 10:22:08

“clear speaking Americans they can compete for jobs, and H1B, illegals”

We already gave that a chance to work. It’s called GOING TO COLLEGE. And we all know what the employment rate is for college grads these days. It’s tough to compete with a mud hut and a bowl of rice. Even if you’re Shakespere.

 
 
Comment by yensoy
2011-07-26 08:44:32

Stamping license plates, writing software, what’s the difference? The store just ran out of broad brushes.

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Comment by jbunniii
2011-07-26 08:05:59

I’d rather force them to answer some basic personal finance questions correctly.

 
 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-07-26 02:54:14

I am doing an East Coast vacation this week. Gettysburg Saturday, American History museum of the Smithsonian Sunday, Natural History and Holocaust yesterday. Air and Space and possibly other things today. Arlington tomorrow then late evening flight back to Phoenix.

Forgive the format of what follows:

Four score and 18 years ago our fathers brought forth upon this country a new economic system. One founded on the incorrect belief that liquididty and not uncollectable debt was the achelies heal of the banking system. By pooling liquidity it was believed that the banking system could be made safe and sound.

This new false trust in the banking system set off a firestorm of lending, a frenzy of economic activity, and an orgy of malinvestments. From railroads to nowhere, to skyscrapers of record height, from farmers using new mechanical farming equipment to break up the native grasses in drought plagued lands to make way for crops ill suited to the climate to factories capable of feeding supplies into this orgy of malinvestment, loans were being made providing funds to speed the rate of malinvestment.

No where was the orgy of malinvestment more focused than in New York’s stock exchanges where shares of companies were not traded on fundamental value as determined by assets and porfits, but rather based on the false belief that stocks always go up and there will always be a greater fool coming along to overpay by even more than you just overpaid.

Once it became clear that we were running out of greater fools, everyone wanted out of stocks. As prices plunged, it became clear that loans made to stock investors could not be repaid. Uncollectable debts resulted in bank closures, wiping out depoistors, trigger more runs on banks.

It became clear that it was in fact, uncollectable loans and not simple liquidity that was the achelies heal of the modern economic model.

For a decade, those with hard assets (valuable land, natural resources, precious metals and gems, hard capital) struggled to hold onto those assets while those with debts and few assets struggled to find work. The world plunged into a morass of hate, fear, loathing and political bickering and infighting.

To pull themselves out of the funk, the world began turning to strong leaders who through iron wills and jangoistic ferver were able to focus unprecedinted power to shape thier respective nations. Whether it be the ego-meniachael (and possibly insane) Hitler in Germany, the brutal Stalin in the Soviet Union, the power hungry military rulers of Japan, or the kindler and gentler near-dictator Roosevelt in the United States, the people of the world were willing to give up personal liberty to a strong national leader that promised to pull them from the first truely global and longest lasting economic depression.

Now, after 30 years of massive lending, horrid malinvestment, and ever new and creative ways to hide uncollectable loans and call them assets, I fear the world is on the verge of plunging back into a global depression, I see the same political gamemanship and unwillingness to make the difficult decisions that lead to the weak governments that preceeded the people turning to iron fisted leaders that promised to end the malaze in exchange for total power.

I am ready for global collapse of the current corrupt and unstable debt based economic model. I fear what new political idiology that scared and desperate people will turn to in exchage for the promise of better days in the future.

Northern farmers feared the expansion of slavery into territories that grew the same crops that they grew. They flat out refused to allow the expansion of slavery under any circumstances. The South having little power in the population based House of Representatives feared that new free states entering the union would erase all power they held in the Senate. They produced 60% of the exported output of the nation but would hold less than 1/3rd of the political power. They refused to accept new states as free states. Will weak leadership and unwillingness to make tough political decisions lead to war between states?

Will people blame the rich, leading to the formation of a new political party preaching hatred?

Will we reject capitalism and turn to some form of confiscation and state owned property system which places total power into the hands of a few, easily corruptable, who will soon be replaced by the most brutal people willing to do whatever it takes to obtain and hold power?

When the Nazi’s came to power, the first arrests, mass killings and slave labor camps were not of Jews, but of opposing political organizations.

Seeing the blind devotion to political parties and the insane hatred of my parents generation to Obama (a balck man who dared consider himself an equal to whites, who had a muslum father, raised by his atheist mother, who rose to politcal power through traditional democrat party affiliations of poverty pimping, white bashing scapegoating, and welfare socialist policies… yikes!). Seeing how easily they were lured to the quickly usurped Tea Party movement based on ignorance and hate.

On the other side I see no difference. People quick to riot over Rodeny King beating, blinded by political idiology into believing anything about Clarance Thomas simply because of his stance on abortion, ignoring the obvious character flaws of Clinton, easily convinced that Bush must have stolen the election…

I fear that sound bite news coverage, bumper sticker politics, polarizing demogogary, politicis of personal destruction, and flat out refusal of either party to tell the American people the truth and deal honestly with our current economic situation, has opened the door for dark and sinister things which may follow.

At some moments I look at the possibility of total economic collapse from the focus that it is a house of cards. It needs to come down before we can rebuild the economy on a more stable foundation with better building codes.

At other moments I look into the hearts of Americans and fear what atrocity they are capable of when faced with harsh reality which they can not accept and political truth they are unwilling to acknowledge.

When the Baby Boomers are on the verge of being put into the streets due to massive spending cuts, how high will they be willing to raise taxes and on whom? When the GenX and GenY are being crushed under 70% tax rates for the 50% that have full time jobs that pay better than minimum wage, all to provide the Boomers with a better retirement than they will ever be able to have, to whom will they turn for releif? What would they be willing to do to get the Boomer generation off their backs?

I fear the future. I am sure the Washington D.C. politicians look to the future with equal fear. No wonder they are unwilling and unable to face the future and get on with what everyone knows must be done.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 05:07:53

“the kindler and gentler near-dictator Roosevelt in the United States, the people of the world were willing to give up personal liberty to a strong national leader ”

What personal liberties did Roosevelt take from us? The right to die of hunger in old age? The era Roosevelt ushered in saw the greatest expansion of civil liberties to the average person in the history of the nation.

Comment by chemistry guy
2011-07-26 05:25:50

‘What personal liberties did Roosevelt take from us?’

The right to be free from government tyranny, for starters. Just ask the families of those Japanese-Americans how they were taken away to locations that were essentially prison camps and also lost nearly everything they owned in the process. What happened to due process? BTW, American citizens of German & Italian descent were also taken away, but that does not seem to get as much traction.

Tool.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 07:10:10

“American citizens of German & Italian descent were also taken away, but that does not seem to get as much traction.”

Link? (I’m not saying it never happened, but I’ve never heard of it. You sure you don’t mean German and Italian citizens who were in the US?)

And while I agree that the internment of Japanese-Americans was a dark spot, it hardly set the stage for anything more sinister, and doesn’t qualify FDR as a dictator, any more than the suspension of habeas corpus made Lincoln a dictator. Wars of existence can lead to decisions that in retrospect seem rash.

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Comment by butters
2011-07-26 09:11:52

How people can forget the internment camps for Japanese Americans and to some extent German Americans is beyond me….

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Comment by Robin
2011-07-26 17:48:56

Two of my Japanese wife’s relatives met in an internment camp, later got married and raised a family and assimilated well.

Can’t forget the camp, but serendipity occasionally comes around.

 
 
Comment by CrackerBob
2011-07-26 10:12:17

Tool.

What about that great Republican, Abe Lincoln. He started a war that killed 625,000 Americans (way more than all other US wars combined). Burned US cities like Coluimbia and Atlanta to the ground. Then the Repubs kept the South as virtual prisoners for twenty years under reconstruction, under martial law. Does anybody still read books?

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Comment by palmetto
2011-07-26 11:43:39

Abe Lincoln. Biggest. Fraud. Ever. Let’s not forget he was the first to institute the income tax, to finance the War of Northern Agression. As to “freeing the slaves”, complete joke. He had no intention of doing so until the North started to agitate to end the war. So he used “freeing the slaves” as a convenient excuse to rally the troops. John Calhoun, the abolitionist, was furious with him. But Frederick Douglass was no fool. He knew where it was at and, well, however it happened was OK with him.

“Honest Abe”. What a crock.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 12:03:03

As to “freeing the slaves”, complete joke. He had no intention of doing so until the North started to agitate to end the war.

That’s like saying “he had no intention to punch the drunk dude in the face until the dude slapped his girlfriend.”

So he used “freeing the slaves” as a convenient excuse higher calling to rally the troops.

And it worked like a charm to end the War of Southern Immorality.

 
Comment by SV guy
2011-07-26 13:02:26

Honest Abe = Father of the Federal Behemoth.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 13:41:01

War of $outhern Immoralitie$.

War of $outhern Immoralitie$.

War of $outhern Immoralitie$.

sippin’ whiskey, smokin’ cigars, trying on “women’s clothes” for a slip-out of town in the middle of the night… :-)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 14:03:42

Honest Abe = Father of the Federal Behemoth.

What you don’t like National Parks? :-)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 14:31:12

No worries Rio, the “TrueCivilWarcotton-pickin’™” Revisionists are like “hangin’ Chad from “In the Loop”: ;-)

“They’re Lobsterizing, smells like smoked bisque…”

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 05:30:31

Righties hate Roosevelt for the New Deal and especially because he started Social Security.

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 05:46:00

FDR did a wonderful job of dragging the depression out far longer than it would have lasted. Of course it reached it’s end when we went to war. That was a peaceful solution. He ran a platform of less government, least “we” forget.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 06:31:23

FDR did a wonderful job of dragging the depression out far longer than it would have lasted.

Right wing Myth akin to the Civil War was “not about slavery”.

Re-writing history is not fun.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-07-26 06:49:16

Like it or not Rio, wmbz’s statement is 100% correct. My parents (my mother in particular) would get angry when I made that point, but they never could come up with any factual counter-argument, i.e., what did he do that actually improved the economy between 1933 and 1940. Instead, he just sold Hope, as in, “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 07:22:15

“but they never could come up with any factual counter-argument, ”

Like producing a single example of a country that ‘let the markets sort it out’ and thus emerged from the Depression earlier?

The countries that emerged earliest from the worldwide depression were Italy, Germany, and Japan, whose fascist governments were spending heavily on armaments. This led many to wrongly believe that fascism was the answer to the seemingly endless depression, when it fact it was the KEYNESIAN spending that these fascist governments were engaging in that pulled them out of the deflationary spiral. When other governments engaged in heavy spending on armaments and armies, the depression ended.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 07:23:34

Like it or not Rio, wmbz’s statement (FDR extended the Great Depression) is 100% correct.

It’s not even close to being correct. It’s claptrap. It is re-writing of history, ignores the facts below, does not take into account the severity of the problem he inherited and assumes global meltdowns can be totally cured in 7 years. 1933-40? 7 years? Are you kidding? We’re 6 years into this mess and are not even half way through it. The Great Depression was worse and was well on the way of being cured from 33-40 based on GDP, employment and industrial production.

(my parents) never could come up with any factual counter-argument,

Well I can. 1933-40? For one, I just came up with a comparative time line of our current recession with the length of the Great Depression. Another fact is that GDP from 1933-40 increased about 100% under Roosevelt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_GDP_10-60.jpg

And unemployent (a lagging indicator was trending sharply down from 1935 to 1940.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Unemployment_1910-1960.gif

From 1933-1940 USA’s industrial production more than doubled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1930Industry.svg

I’ve just shown you 4 macro trends and facts that entirely refute wmb’s statement. Too bad your mom didn’t have Google.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 07:56:53

School ‘em Rio… :-)

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-26 08:30:03

Wiki articles are fluff, but they make you an instant expert on stuff you really know little about, and haven’t thought on for more than a few minutes!

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 08:56:11

Wiki articles are fluff, but they make you an instant expert on stuff you really know little about, and haven’t thought on for more than a few minutes!

Weak. Fail. You just can’t handle the truth presented in the above facts. Rebut with facts or can you? Apparent from your constant disregard of facts, you don’t have the objective willingness to develop a comprehensive knowledge of US history. And if you haven’t by now, you might not ever. You don’t like the facts that conflict with your world view. Come up with a factual based rebuttal half as good as mine above and we’ll talk. You won’t because you can’t.

Those were charts and graphs from various sources. Don’t be mad. Deal with the facts Mr. “Slavery was not the cause of the Civil War”.

Sources from the wiki charts:
GDP:USA annual GDP from 1910-60, in billions of constant 2005 dollars, with the years of the Great Depression (1929-1939) highlighted. Based on data from: Louis D. Johnston and Samuel H. Williamson, “What Was the U.S. GDP Then?” MeasuringWorth, 2008.

Unemployment: Data for 1910-1930 from Christina Romer (1986), “Spurious Volatility in Historical Unemployment Data”, The Journal of Political Economy, 94(1): 1-37. Data for 1930-1940 from Robert M. Coen (1973). “Labor Force and Unemployment in the 1920’s and 1930’s: A Re-Examination Based on Postwar Experience”, The Review of Economics and Statistics, 55(1): 46-55. Data for 1940-1960 from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, Employment status of the civilian noninstitutional population, 1940 to date ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/lf/aat1.txt

US Industrial production 1933-1940: St Louis Fed dot gov

Time line of Great Depression vs current recession: (I did that in my head using math and numbers and stuff)

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-26 11:27:18

Just a suggestion Rio, but after you write one of these flamers, just go back and erase the first paragraph of personal attacks. It would make the thoughts you try to present flow a little better and settle on softer ground. This has been my experience anyway.

I use Wiki as a quick reference myself, but really have found a lot of articles like swiss cheese and biased. So Wiki links do not always impress me a “fact”. That shouldn’t be so hard to swallow. Doesn’t make you wrong. Wiki doesn’t make you a shake and bake instant expert either.

As for American History, you have no idea what accounts I have studied and I am sure you couldn’t care less. Your view of slavery being the singular cause of the CW is narrow and shallow. If your view wasn’t so constrained, you might learn something from those with varied opinions.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 11:55:25

Just a suggestion Rio, but after you write one of these flamers, just go back and erase the first paragraph of personal attacks.

Pot call kettle. Your post was a veiled personal attack. You just thought you would cloak it in insinuations. “instant expert”, “know little about”, “Haven’t thought about more than a few minutes!” I write a well supported factual based post and you answer with a glib put down. So you get an answer to it. “If you don’t like the heat get out of the kitchen”

a lot of (wiki) articles like swiss cheese and biased.

I presented no “articles”. I presented facts from about 9 reputable sources. (Which you still have not rebutted)

Your view of slavery being the singular cause of the CW is narrow and shallow

Slavery was not the singular cause of the Civil War, however slavery was the root cause and the main cause of the Civil War. However it was so horrendous and immoral that its perpetrators have spent 145 years trying to re-write history and run away from what they were fighting for.

If your view wasn’t so constrained, you might learn something from those with varied opinions.

It’s like you wrote that to yourself.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-26 12:13:20

Ha! I do not intend to rebut whatever your point was above, only to push back at your insinuation of my opinion, that the civil war would have been fought without the slavery issue anyway and the opinion the WIKI was wrong on the matter, as some kind of support for some other subject. Perfectly unsociable and I take exception to it. You are wrong on this, I am sure. The stuff about my faults and whatever probably correct. My post would have been less polite if I didn’t erase some of it too!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 12:31:32

“Wiki articles are fluff,”

Oh? Ever seen the references at the bottom of the articles? That’s how you can verify if they are fluff or not.

Personally, I don’t think several well know universities, vetted authors, previously verified historical books and references are considered “fluff.”

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 14:18:47

Keep that cat-hairball-stuck-in-yer-caw notion of $lavery was a small insignificant interference of Southern’$ State$ Right$.

From wiki…but…not by wiki! :-)
heheeeheeeheehaahaaahaaheeehaahaaa… (Hwy50™)

Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl: …it chronicles the experiences of Harriet Jacobs as a slave, and the various humiliations she had to endure in that unhappy state, it also deals with the particular tortures visited on women at her station. Often in the book, she will point to a particular punishment that a male slave will endure at the hands of slave holders, and comment that, although she finds the punishment brutal in the extreme, it cannot compare to the abuse that a young woman must face while still on the cusp of girlhood.

Dr. Flint- Linda’s master, enemy and would be lover. He has the legal right to do anything he wants to Linda, but wishes to seduce her by tricking and threatening her rather than raping her. Throughout the book, Linda constantly rebels against him and refuses to do anything sexual with him. This enrages him and he soon obsesses over the idea of breaking her rebellious spirit. Dr. Flint never recognizes that Linda is a human being with feelings, desires or unamenable rights. Dr. Flint represents the oppressive male role in 19th century America in that he objectifies Linda for being a woman and consistently fights with his wife.

Dr. Flint is Dr. James Norcom; Although he is based on Harriet Jacobs’s real-life master, Dr. Flint often seems more like a melodramatic villain than a real man. He is morally bankrupt and lacks any redeeming qualities. He is thoroughly one-dimensional, totally corrupted by the power that the slave system grants him. He sees no reason not to use and abuse his slaves in any way he chooses, and he never shows any signs of sympathy for them or remorse for his crimes.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 14:27:39

I do not intend to rebut whatever your point was above,

Because you can’t. You have no facts.

Perfectly unsociable and I take exception to it.

Then argue with facts, figures and logic instead of off the cuff insinuating inanities. Then you won’t have to take exception to anything.

My post would have been less polite if I didn’t erase some of it too!

Thanks but you must have erased all of your facts too.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 14:37:42

the civil war would have been fought without the slavery issue anyway

You’ve got to be joking. Flat out joking. You should stop.

the opinion the WIKI was wrong on the matter,

Wiki charts I presented had no opinion on it. None. I presented charts. Do charts and math have opinions? No. They can lead to opinions but they don’t have them.

I presented 3 charts built from 9 academic and government sources that indicated that GDP and industrial output grew over 100% from 1933-1940 and that unemployment was on a sharp downward direction from 1935-1940. This shows that the USA under FDR was quickly coming out of the Depression years before WW2.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 14:57:26

Grant SPECIFICALLY states in his memoirs that the Civil War WAS about slavery.

He also has some very sly comments on “people who complained about being denied their freedom speech on the least little pretext but who simultaneously support wholesale suppression of speech that differs from theirs. Specifically, southerners.”

Grant’s memoirs also offer some real eye-opening background on Mexico.

Did you know we completely conquered Mexico at one time? Before the Civil War?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 15:13:49

:-) As instructed by my old Philosophy professor: “Hwy don’t view what “others” say…view carefully the exact words of the speaker:

HEADQUARTERS MILITARY DIVISION of the MISSISSIPPI in the FIELD
Atlanta, Georgia,
To: James M. Calhoun, Mayor, E.E. Rawson and S.C. Wells, representing City Council of Atlanta.

Gentleman: I have your letter of the 11th, in the nature of a petition to revoke my orders removing all the inhabitants from Atlanta. I have read it carefully, and give full credit to your statements of distress that will be occasioned, and yet shall not revoke my orders, because they were not designed to meet the humanities of the cause, but to prepare for the future struggles in which millions of good people outside of Atlanta have a deep interest. We must have peace, not only at Atlanta, but in all America. To secure this, we must stop the war that now desolates our once happy and favored country. To stop war, we must defeat the rebel armies which are arrayed against the laws and Constitution that all must respect and obey. To defeat those armies, we must prepare the way to reach them in their recesses, provided with the arms and instruments which enable us to accomplish our purpose. Now, I know the vindictive nature of our enemy, that we may have many years of military operations from this quarter; and, therefore, deem it wise and prudent to prepare in time. The use of Atlanta for warlike purposes in inconsistent with its character as a home for families. There will be no manufacturers, commerce, or agriculture here, for the maintenance of families, and sooner or later want will compel the inhabitants to go. Why not go now, when all the arrangements are completed for the transfer, instead of waiting till the plunging shot of contending armies will renew the scenes of the past month? Of course, I do not apprehend any such things at this moment, but you do not suppose this army will be here until the war is over. I cannot discuss this subject with you fairly, because I cannot impart to you what we propose to do, but I assert that our military plans make it necessary for the inhabitants to go away, and I can only renew my offer of services to make their exodus in any direction as easy and comfortable as possible.

You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now, it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war. The United States does and must assert its authority, wherever it once had power; for, if it relaxes one bit to pressure, it is gone, and I believe that such is the national feeling. This feeling assumes various shapes, but always comes back to that of Union. Once admit the Union, once more acknowledge the authority of the national Government, and, instead of devoting your houses and streets and roads to the dread uses of war, I and this army become at once your protectors and supporters, shielding you from danger, let it come from what quarter it may. I know that a few individuals cannot resist a torrent of error and passion, such as swept the South into rebellion, but you can point out, so that we may know those who desire a government, and those who insist on war and its desolation.

You might as well appeal against the thunder-storm as against these terrible hardships of war. They are inevitable, and the only way the people of Atlanta can hope once more to live in peace and quiet at home, is to stop the war, which can only be done by admitting that it began in error and is perpetuated in pride.

We don’t want your Negroes, or your horses, or your lands, or any thing you have, but we do want and will have a just obedience to the laws of the United States. That we will have, and if it involved the destruction of your improvements, we cannot help it.

You have heretofore read public sentiment in your newspapers, that live by falsehood and excitement; and the quicker you seek for truth in other quarters, the better. I repeat then that, bu the original compact of government, the United States had certain rights in Georgia, which have never been relinquished and never will be; that the South began the war by seizing forts, arsenals, mints, custom-houses, etc., etc., long before Mr. Lincoln was installed, and before the South had one jot or title of provocation. I myself have seen in Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi, hundreds and thousands of women and children fleeing from your armies and desperadoes, hungry and with bleeding feet. In Memphis, Vicksburg, and Mississippi, we fed thousands and thousands of the families of rebel soldiers left on our hands, and whom we could not see starve. Now that war comes to you, you feel very different. You deprecate its horrors, but did not feel them when you sent car-loads of soldiers and ammunition, and moulded shells and shot, to carry war into Kentucky and Tennessee, to desolate the homes of hundreds and thousands of good people who only asked to live in peace at their old homes, and under the Government of their inheritance. But these comparisons are idle. I want peace, and believe it can only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect an early success.

But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for any thing. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.

Now you must go, and take with you the old and feeble, feed and nurse them, and build for them, in more quiet places, proper habitations to shield them against the weather until the mad passions of men cool down, and allow the Union and peace once more to settle over your old homes in Atlanta.

Yours in haste,

W.T. Sherman, Major-General commanding

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 15:31:57

Did you know we completely conquered Mexico at one time? Before the Civil War?

Oh yes! American troops stormed Mexico City and took it. The Mexicans love to romanticize about the “Ninos Heroes”. The last stand was held at the military academy at Chapultepec castle. A group of cadets are immortalized in Mexican hagiology, especially a certain Juan Escutia who is said to have wrapped himself in the flag and jumped to his death rather than let the gringos capture the flag (which they did anyway). Let me tell you, those cadets are a BIG DEAL in Mexico.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 16:06:31

Let me tell you, those cadets are a BIG DEAL in Mexico.

Indeed they are. They’re national heroes.

And here’s something else that makes Mexico sparkle, at least in my eyes. Every Sunday, Mexico City closes Avenida Reforma between the huge city park and downtown. The space is taken over by a huge human-powered party — bicycling, rollerblading, jogging, and wheel-chairing.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 18:10:06

“The Mexicans love to romanticize about the “Ninos Heroes”.”

Even Grant mentions them with both sadness and respect.

Great post Hwy.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-26 20:37:05

Hwy, I’ll be happy to buy you a cold brew, should the occasion arise. This is really a fascinating letter.

My own interest in the civil war is colored by my people’s history, in another place, of slavery and uprising, with undercurrents of the eternal struggle for central control by the few. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 
 
Comment by measton
2011-07-26 07:24:57

So what you are saying is keynsian spending on the war brought us out of the depression. Interesting.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 08:06:28

Yes. And it’s not some unique theory. It’s generally accepted history, except that now the Kochtopus is trying to rewrite history.

“By the end of 1941, before American entry into the war, defense spending and military mobilization had started one of the greatest booms in American history thus ending the last traces of unemployment.[27]”
wikipedia

 
 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-07-26 06:04:19

Gold was confiscated, taxes were greatly increased, Social Security was created to force people to buy government debt against their will, crop price controls, private houses were bulldozed, private land was taken for public works at an unprecedented scale…

Government control of the economy in ways never considered possible before.

Draft, Japanese American internment, many, many other ways….

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 07:38:19

“Government control of the economy in ways never considered possible before. ”

Gold was never confiscated. Ownership of bars and bullion was made illegal, and continued to be so under all sorts of presidents and congresses until Ford. The law was very rarely actively enforced.

Raising income tax rates democratically is not dictatorship.

Private houses being bulldozed, and private land being taken for public- and private!- works has been going on throughout US history. How do you think the railroads were built?

Crop price controls=dictatorship? Gimme a break.

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Comment by MrBubble
2011-07-26 10:06:40

“Gold was confiscated”

Actually, this talking point is way over-blown. A cursory scan of the available information will show you that the executive order to which you refer was not really enforced, nor was it enforced except in a few cases and was overturned.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:03:19

“Government control of the economy in ways never considered possible before. “

I pretty sure it wasn’t the government that created the Depression, was it?

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Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-07-26 05:14:12

Typically the period that follows the collapse of the “current system” is not the promised land of milk and honey.
Take a quick look at history, the French revolution of 1789 followed by Robbespiere (and the reign of terror) and Napoleon. Things didn’t turn out much better after the Russian revolution of 1917 and the end of WWI.
I am afraid we are at the verge of a similar event in the not too distant future. It is probably way too late to avoid calamity. The world financial system tried about every trick in the book to hold thing together. Bailouts, QEs, cooking the books, austerity, lies and propaganda. Things have been getting continously worse, crisis show up in sharter and shorter intervals. Take a quick look at EURO-Land or our own set of clowns in DC, a sad sight.
There are too many people in a position of power that stand to profit from the here and now in order to have a sustainable long term solution to our collective problems. “I got mine and you suckers can go down with the ship, bon voyage!” that’s the attitude of our ruling elites. On the other hand nobody is willing to give an inch for the common good. Not the welfare recipient and certainly not the billionaire paying only 10% capital gains. Why is income from investment taxed at a lower rate than income from actual work? There’s something very wrong with this picture.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 05:40:19

Typically the period that follows the collapse of the “current system” is not the promised land of milk and honey.

Which is why I think they are so desperately trying to prop it up.

Things have been getting continously worse, crisis show up in sharter and shorter intervals.

Yup, and at some point the house of cards will simply come crashing down. Whether or not the super rich will be able to protect themselves with their private armies remains to be seen. I’m sure the Czar, the French Monarchy and others thought they were safe from the rabble too, until they were not.

If anything the current situation feels like a controlled bleed or burn. They can’t stop, but hope to mitigate it enough to put of total collapse. Meanwhile the middle class will have to progressively make do with less. This of course will affect our Asian crack dealers, who will find it harder and harder to keeps their sales levels up. Expect them to join the circus of economic lies to defer their own judgement day.

In the end the inherent flaw in our global system is that it’s great at creating goods and services but really bad at creating consumers who can afford them.

Comment by frankie
2011-07-26 06:22:13

I believe they are trying to engineer the boiling frog syndrome; hoping if they drag it out long enough too few people will realise what’s happened to matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:05:12

Trying?

We’re THERE.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-26 11:31:47

Which is why I think they are so desperately trying to prop it up.

You can’t help but wonder who will be our first military challenger after our opponents begin to smell blood in the water. Tell me there aren’t people just counting down to the opportunity.

I would love to dismantle about 1/2 of our military structure but there is no gurarantee the change in world military power balance is going to be simple or unchallenged.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 05:28:14

“People quick to riot over Rodeny King beating”

Heck, I’m afraid of cops and I’m white!

Maybe, just maybe, black people in LA were fed up?

Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-07-26 06:32:23

The police were guilty of 2nd degree assault, which would have carreid a max sentance of less than a year in jail. The trial took so long, and the cops were in custody the whole time, so a conviction on 2nd degree assault would have meant that they would have been release with time served.

The prosecuters were forced to only move forward with charges of “Assault with intent to commit serious and perminant injury”, a charge equivilant to attempted murder. This carried a potential sentance of 5-10 years which is the length of sentance needed to prevent the city from burning.

However, the evidence clearly showed the police were hitting him in the center of the major bones of the arms and legs. They were beating him into submission, not into a wheel chair for the rest of his life.

But, people do not care about facts. Their outrage overrules reason.

They do not take the time to ask, “Did the police do what they were accused of?” Heck, I doubt most people even know what charges were filed against the police in this case.

I was in the Navy at the time, stationed at Pearl Harbor. While in uniform I went to the base exchange to purchase some snacks before heading to night school at Hawaii Pacific University. As I was grabbing my stuff, a lady behind me in line, buying alcohol, while in civilian clothes is asked to show her ID. She pulls the race card… White guys don’t get asked to show ID but black people do??? No ma’am. People in civilian clothes are asked to show ID. People buying alcohol are asked to show ID. You could still see the blind, unthinking anger in her eyes as she flashed her military ID.

Angery fills people with blind rage in which they can rarely use reason or clear judgement.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 07:41:34

Yup running from the law at 100 mph, almost killing a few people in the chase, refusing to get out of the car and then being belligerent is perfectly normal behavior for a black man…right?

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Angery fills people with blind rage in which they can rarely use reason or clear judgement.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 12:48:20

Of course not, but if you’re black and have been repeteadly harrassed and maybe beaten by cops, seeing the beating video might finally push you over the edge.

After all, they went berserk just because they were irrational blacks, right?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 13:11:56

You know what would be the greatest thing black people can do to END racism????

Just commit crimes at the same rate as white people……..that’s it….nothing else has to be done

So how do we get black people to co-operate with us????

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-07-26 16:46:30

Conviction and commission are two different things.

Do white and black middle class folks have the same arrest and conviction rates? When income levels and neighborhoods are factored in, what do the stats say?

 
Comment by Robin
2011-07-26 18:15:59

From my informed experience, there is documentable prejudice and preferential treatment by race in most police departments.

Natural consequence of inadequate upbringing. Sad.

 
 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 06:27:43

This new false trust in the banking system set off a firestorm of lending, a frenzy of economic activity, and an orgy of malinvestments.

You forgot 30 years of financial industry deregulation. The most important enabler of much of what you described.

Will people blame the rich, leading to the formation of a new political party preaching hatred?

One need not “hate the rich” to know they are not carrying their over-sized and much increased weight.

Will we reject capitalism and turn to some form of confiscation and state corporate oligarch owned property system which places total power into the hands of a few, easily corruptable,?

We’re there.

On the other side I see no difference. People quick to riot over Rodeny King beating,

Not quick. I think it took them about a year. “No justice no peace”.

I look into the hearts of Americans and fear what atrocity they are capable of when faced with harsh reality which they can not accept and political truth they are unwilling to acknowledge.

Most Americans are pretty level headed and are not interested in atrocities. We’re just not getting what we need and want. Most Americans wanted the public option. Most Americans want war draw down and higher taxes on the rich, protected jobs, less corporate money in elections and protected Social Security and Medicare. Americans know more than the captured politicians where our problems and solutions lie.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 08:27:50

Most Americans are pretty level headed and are not interested in atrocities. We’re just not getting what we need and want. Most Americans wanted the public option. Most Americans want war draw down and higher taxes on the rich, protected jobs, less corporate money in elections and protected Social Security and Medicare. Americans know more than the captured politicians where our problems and solutions lie.

x3 Cheers!

(Hwy wonders what the repubicans Fear! Fear! Fear! tank level is reading today?)

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 09:59:26

“the repubicans Fear! Fear! Fear! tank level”

You really can’t blame them- fear is their metier, the world in which they live:

Brain structure differs in liberals, conservatives: study
(AFP) – Apr 7, 2011

Liberals have more gray matter in a part of the brain associated with understanding complexity, while the conservative brain is bigger in the section related to processing fear, said the study on Thursday in Current Biology.

“We found that greater liberalism was associated with increased gray matter volume in the anterior cingulate cortex, whereas greater conservatism was associated with increased volume of the right amygdala,” the study said.

Other research has shown greater brain activity in those areas, according to which political views a person holds, but this is the first study to show a physical difference in size in the same regions.

People with a large amygdala are “more sensitive to disgust” and tend to “respond to threatening situations with more aggression than do liberals and are more sensitive to threatening facial expressions,” the study said.

Liberals are linked to larger anterior cingulate cortexes, a region that “monitor(s) uncertainty and conflicts,” it said.

“Thus, it is conceivable that individuals with a larger ACC have a higher capacity to tolerate uncertainty and conflicts, allowing them to accept more liberal views.”

It remains unclear whether the structural differences cause the divergence in political views, or are the effect of them.

But the central issue in determining political views appears to revolve around fear and how it affects a person.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-26 11:48:23

This seems to be one of your favorite plums! Reminds me of some of the eugenics crap “research” floating around half a century ago.

Liberals might be more likely to present contorted facial expressions, no?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 12:42:33

Liberals might be more likely to present contorted facial expressions, no?

As long as that that doesn’t induce them to start stupid wars that we can’t possibly win I have no problems with their ugly mugs.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:12:04

I live deep in the heart of a very large neocon state, and without a doubt, it is fear and a very healthy dose of racist bigotry, that rules their lives.

Are all Repubs like this? No, of course not and they are not happy about the extremists that have taken over their party, but there isn’t a damn thing they can do about it and so their reputation is cashiered.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:15:44

Contorted facial expressions vs war based on lies killing 100s’ of thousands.

Gee, tough choice. Let me think about that one…. :roll:

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-26 03:23:55

Banks default on duty, let foreclosed homes become eyesores - and disregard fines

BY Robert Gearty
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Sunday, July 24th 2011, 4:00 AM

Some of the nation’s biggest banks have let thousands of abandoned New York City homes seized in foreclosure fall into dangerous disrepair, the Daily News has found.

Since the housing market collapsed in 2008, banks have repossessed thousands of homes in neighborhoods across the five boroughs.

Records show the city has cited hundreds of these properties for dangerous conditions such as unstable walls, vermin infestation and illegal apartments.

In case after case, big banks - including Deutsche Bank, U.S. Bank and Fannie Mae, the quasi-governmental agency that buys mortgages - have ignored city inspectors, shrugged off hearings and declined to pay fines, records show.

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2011/07/24/2011-07-24_banks_default_on_duty_let_foreclosed_homes_become_eyesores__and_disregard_fines.html - -

Comment by Muggy
2011-07-26 04:41:41

I still say we’re in denial. Nobody wants to believe that house prices HAVE collapsed.

Imagine if you stopped paying for your car, and/or just left it in a parking lot. It would be dealt with and liquidated within weeks.

Comment by michael
2011-07-26 05:01:55

denial will be over when i see interest rates rise.

talked to a guy that is closing on a townhouse in early august.

4.5% interest rate…we are still in denial.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-07-26 05:41:49

“I still say we’re in denial.”

+3.

Deep deep denial. For some it’s as though there was never a bubble. They haven’t been affected personally, thus there was no bubble. But alas, The Great Housing Fraud will affect anyone who needs to buy or sell a house. Sooner or later, you’ll the piper if you want to dance.

Being locked out of a grossly inflated market (still) is our common bond.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-07-26 07:45:43

The weirdest things around here are moving while seemingly better values appear to sit. Some are about location. The buyers obviously didn’t perceive the needed maintenance as pricing them out of the neighborhood. They somehow believe these homes are worth the investment. I think they misunderstand the higher income homes/higher income household ratio of the area. And they’re still building mega homes around here. Just filled up w/gas while heading south and saw some monstrosity going up in the hills behind some megachurch. My gosh, we have plenty of those available on the MLS but around here there is no success until you put your own vision upon the landscape (and then move out of it 4-6 years later)

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Comment by Kim
2011-07-26 09:29:34

“The weirdest things around here are moving while seemingly better values appear to sit. Some are about location.”

Seeing similar stuff happening here. Identical houses two or three blocks apart… one can’t catch a bid while the other sells for around $80K more. I had wondered if interior updates made the difference. Personally I’d rather do updates myself, both to incorporate my own tastes and make sure the work is done correctly. That would involve carrying two places for a month or two while renovations are done, and perhaps that’s why a lot of people would be deterred.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:27:05

Condition of a house is THE most important thing after location.

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 09:41:22

Imagine if you stopped paying for your car, and/or just left it in a parking lot. It would be dealt with and liquidated within weeks.

On the street where I used to live, there was a church. Congregation was elderly and no longer as active as they once were. Which meant that, for most of the week, the church just sat there empty.

Its parking lot became known as a dumping ground for lost, stolen, and abandoned vehicles. And they would just sit there.

In order to have them removed, we neighbors would have to make reports to the City of Tucson.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:21:01

“I still say we’re in denial. Nobody wants to believe that house prices HAVE collapsed.”

…nor that prices for everything else have gone up.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-07-26 07:12:26

Seize the friggin homes due to unpaid fines and taxes. Resell at market. Problem solved.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:25:27

They would… if they COULD resell. :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 03:55:58

National Association of Realtors downsizing by 10%
Tara Steele |Agent Genius - July 25, 2011

NAR going through layoffs?

Rumors of layoffs have been flying for months, quietly echoing in the halls of the National Association of Realtors (NAR), the largest trade association in the world. Chicago computers have been humming with updating of resumes as NAR staff anxiously awaits the possibility of their job on the guillotine.

NAR Chief Executive Officer, Dale Stinton informed us that internally, leadership and staff were told in March that as part of the annual budget process for 2012, NAR was going to “reduce headcount (mostly through attrition) by about 10 percent.”

Stinton indicated the cuts would not have a major impact on programming and that NAR is already “well on [their] way to achieve this reduction this year so that the benefit of the savings will be realized going into 2012.” Stinton also notes that this move is “sound fiscal and program management – nothing more nothing less.”

Comment by combotechie
2011-07-26 05:19:11

Save the NAR, the taxpayers friend.

They help create a market where there is none. They help keep the cash flowing, help keep FB dollars from escaping, help keep the banks solvent.

NAR menbers need to be encouraged to hang in there just a wee bit longer for the RE turnaround is just around the corner.

I suggest they double-up on their dues.

 
Comment by salinasron
2011-07-26 06:29:38

” leadership and staff were told in March that as part of the annual budget process for 2012, NAR was going to “reduce headcount (mostly through attrition) by about 10 percent.”

Let me understand this. The MSM tells us vis-a-vis NAR that the big recession is over, that housing is going up and there is no better time to be a buyer. The NAR by its action tells us that 2012 will be dismal at best. I feel like I’m in the lead car of a roller coaster just about to go over the top of the deep downward descent.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:28:53

Now imagine it going… sideways!

YEEHAW!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 03:58:11

Number of homeless veterans explodes
By Gregg Zoroya, USA TODAY

More than 10,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are homeless or in programs aimed at keeping them off the streets, a number that has doubled three times since 2006, according to figures released by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The rise comes at a time when the total number of homeless veterans has declined from a peak of about 400,000 in 2004 to 135,000 today.

“We’re seeing more and more (Iraq and Afghanistan veterans),” says Richard Thomas, a Volunteers of America case manager at a shelter in Los Angeles. “It’s just a bad time for them to return now and get out of the military.”

The VA blames the rise on a poor economy and the nature of the current wars, where a limited number of troops serve multiple deployments.

The result is a group of homeless veterans where 70% have a history of combat exposure with its psychological effects, says Pete Dougherty, a senior policy adviser on homelessness at the VA.

Among all homeless veterans, perhaps 20% to 33% were in combat, he says.
Homeless vets

Number of U.S. veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan wars who are homeless or in programs to prevent homelessness:
2006: 1,297
2007: 2,167
2008: 3,495
2009: 5,881
2010: 9,750
2011: 10,476 (through May)
Source: Department of Veterans Affairs

LaShonna Perry, a former Army mechanic who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, was homeless for more than year after leaving the military. She rented an apartment last year with a federal voucher.

“Some soldiers still have issues they’re dealing with from what they’ve seen, what they’ve experienced,” she says. “Some think, ‘There’s nothing wrong with me.’ They can deal with it on their own. Until it gets out of control.”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 06:20:22

Stock trades to exploit speed of light, says researcher
BBC News

“High-frequency trading” carried out by computers often depends on differing prices of a financial instrument in two geographically-separated markets.

Exactly how far the signals have to go can make a difference in such trades.

Alexander Wissner-Gross told the American Physical Society meeting that financial institutions are looking at ways to exploit the light-speed trick.

Dr Wissner-Gross, of Harvard University, said that the latencies - essentially, the time delay for a signal to wing its way from one global financial centre to another - advantaged some locations for some trades and different locations for others.

Trades now travel at nearly 90% of the ultimate speed limit set by physics, the speed of light in the cables.
Competitive advantage

His first solution, published in 2010, considered the various latencies in global fibre-optic links and mapped out where the optimal points for financial transactions to originate - midway between two major financial hubs to maximise the chance of “buying low” in one place and “selling high” in another.

That of course resulted in a number of ideal locations in all corners of the globe, including the oceans. But wholesale relocation of operations does not immediately appeal to many firms.

“If you don’t have the budget to put new data centres in the middle of the ocean you can, for example, use existing data centres that are an approximation to the optimal location in the ocean - say, Nova Scotia for New York to London,” Dr Wissner-Gross told BBC News.

That means that out-of-the-way places - at high latitudes or mid-ocean island chains - could in time turn into global financial centres.

“It’s instructive to start to think about latency correlations as a new sort of resource,” he explained.

“If you’re positioned between two major financial hubs, you may be far out of the way, rather far from population centres, maybe economically poor, but because of your unique position, that could be a natural resource.”

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-07-26 07:16:24

Not sure how this comment relates to the homeless veterans post, but an excellent example of the Invisible Hand of the Free Market. These stock trades at almost the speed of light will surely create an efficiency that translates to a broader prosperity for society as a whole, a rising tide lifts all boats :)

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-07-26 10:55:16

“Not sure how this comment relates to the homeless veterans post”

Clearly the high-frequency traders got in front of my post and jammed its proper placement. :wink:

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Comment by jim
2011-07-26 10:55:53

Not when they are tied down to the pier.

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Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2011-07-26 07:57:19

‘His first solution, published in 2010, considered the various latencies in global fibre-optic links and mapped out where the optimal points for financial transactions to originate - midway between two major financial hubs to maximise the chance of “buying low” in one place and “selling high” in another.’

Novel idea. Nobel prize written all over it.

 
Comment by jbunniii
2011-07-26 08:21:44

Why limit themselves to the earth’s surface when positioning data centers? Light travels faster in a straight line, which is going to be deep underground if it connects New York and London.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-26 10:19:44

Only if the signals themselves can also travel in a straight line deep underground.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 07:39:52

“Some soldiers still have issues they’re dealing with from what they’ve seen, what they’ve experienced,”

Bugle call, face the flag pole:

Hoist the Cheney-Shrub Evil-Axis-Nation-building-Shazam!-Islam-is-now-democracy Policy Flags:

1st: “Shock & Awe”
2nd: “Mission Accomplished!”

A Country in Denial About Taxes: :-)
Leonard Burman The Impertinent Economist

“Back in the olden days, we acknowledged that wars cost money and didn’t think that our children should pay the entire cost, with interest. (Imagine that!) There were huge tax increases to finance World War II and the Korean War, and fairly significant ones to pay for Vietnam.”

 
Comment by Robin
2011-07-26 18:10:07

Any idea of the cost of one soldier at Camp X, CA vs. a soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq? Including all support in terms of transportation, importation of necessities, and munitions? And if we add PTSS and other aftercare?

Factor of 10 or 50 or 100?

I am honestly clueless!

 
 
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2011-07-26 04:02:51
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 04:03:35

Drought Withers Smallest U.S. Hay Crop in a Century to Boost Cost of Beef. (Bloomberg)

Rising feed costs are prompting a reduction in cattle herds and eroding profit for milk producers. The USDA yesterday forecast retail-meat prices may increase this year as much as 7 percent and dairy products may jump 6 percent, more than the rate of overall food inflation at 3 percent to 4 percent.

The smallest U.S. hay crop in more than a century is withering under a record Texas drought, boosting the cost of livestock feed for dairy farmers and beef producers from California to Maryland.

The price of alfalfa, the most common hay variety, surged 51 percent in the past year, reaching a record $186 a short ton in May, government data show. Hay and grass make up about half of what cattle eat over their lifetimes, so parched pastures are forcing ranchers to find alternative sources of feed, pushing some spot-market corn to the highest ever.

Farmers in Oklahoma and in Texas, the biggest producer of hay and cattle, may harvest only one crop from alfalfa and Bermuda grass this year, compared with three normally, said Larry Redmon, a state forage specialist at Texas A&M University. Cattle that usually graze on fields through September or October are instead being sold to feedlots, where they are confined in pens and eat mostly corn.

“We’re just running out of grass,” Bo Kizziar, the feedlot manager at Hansford County Feeders, said by telephone from Spearman, Texas. With pastures disappearing, Hansford is moving cattle into its 50,000-head feedlot three months earlier than normal, boosting costs as the company buys more corn, he said.

The drought, which is the worst ever in Texas, is compounding a hay shortage caused by farmers shifting this year to more profitable crops, including corn. The U.S. may harvest 57.605 million acres of hay in 2011, the least on records going back to 1909, U.S. Department of Agriculture data show. Corn was sown on 92.282 million acres, the second-most since 1944.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 06:17:13

The cold cut section of the grocery store is stuff chock full with ham and salami and bologna and turkey and chicken. Roast beef? Not so much.

 
Comment by Trapper
2011-07-26 08:55:49

If costs to feed are not affordable, farmers/ranchers will send their beef to market and that should increase supply and lower retail costs for beef.
““We’re just running out of grass,” Bo Kizziar, the feedlot manager at Hansford County Feeders, said by telephone from Spearman, Texas. With pastures disappearing, Hansford is moving cattle into its 50,000-head feedlot three months earlier than normal, “”
Grill early and often this fall….

Comment by speedingpullet
2011-07-26 09:26:44

Grill early and often this fall….

Enjoy it while you can…{sob}

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:33:06

“Drought Withers Smallest U.S. Hay Crop in a Century to Boost Cost of Beef.”

Only because the speculators say so.

You see, farmers are getting rid of their cattle as fast as they can because of the drought, creating an oversupply of beef.

As I keep saying, supply and demand above the very small local level is a fairy tale.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 04:07:22

Looks like a little “austerity” is stating to show up on our shores. That can’t be, it’s for the other countries.

Bankruptcy: From Greece to Rhode Island
By Frederick Sheehan - TDR

07/25/11 Central Falls, Rhode Island faces a plight that should be studied for its application elsewhere. It is nearly out of money. This is common news today, whether in Greece or California. The various parties are assumed to possess a means to carry on. This is assumed because it is generally so. The banks had the Fed; General Electric had the Fed and the FDIC; Greece has the ECB; California is prepared to launch a bridge loan.

Despite the band-aids, the trend towards insolvency continues. Central Falls has reached a dead end.

Quoting The New York Times (July 11, 2011): “The impoverished city, operating under a receiver for a year, has promised $80 million worth of retirement benefits to 214 police officers and firefighters, far more than it can afford. Those workers’ pension fund will probably run out of money in October…”

The retirees face a bleak future: “Central Falls, like many American cities, has not placed its police and firefighters in Social Security. Many have no other benefits to fall back on.”

The inability to meet payments, as is true across the western world, was evident decades ago. The parties refused to think through the consequences of their actions: “The city, just north of Providence, is small and poor, but over the years it has promised police officers and firefighters retirement benefits like those offered in big, rich states like California and New York. These uniformed workers can retire after just 20 years of service, receive free health care in retirement, and qualify for full disability pensions when only partly disabled.”

The previous paragraph reflects poorly on the grand wizards of Central Falls. The Times noted: “Central Falls…filled mostly with immigrant families, struggles on a median household income of less than $33,520 a year… The typical single-family house…is worth about $130,000.”

Although this was a news story, the Times reporters, Mary Williams Walsh and Abby Goodnough, could not restrain their fury: “It is hard to see how anyone thought such an impoverished tax base could come up with an additional $80 million for retirement benefits. If the city were contributing the recommended amount to the plan each year, it would take 57 percent of local property tax revenue.”

That is hindsight. We are used to expedients: delayed pension contributions; 8% projected investment returns; economic recoveries around the corner; market recoveries around the corner; real-estate appreciation (higher tax receipts); higher tax rates; bank loans; bond issues; state bailouts; federal bailouts.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 05:43:23

The retirees face a bleak future: “Central Falls, like many American cities, has not placed its police and firefighters in Social Security. Many have no other benefits to fall back on.”

Looks like being a “union goon” isn’t such a great thing after all.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-07-26 05:50:47

Yet being a Corporate Goon is more profitable than ever.

 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-07-26 06:21:37

That’s what happens when you entrust criminals with your retirement money. Not only in Central Falls but world wide. Politicians always over promise b/c they know by the time the promises come due somebody else is in power and they’re sitting pretty. How many elections do you think were won in Central Falls by promising more benefits to public workers? How do you pay for it? Hey, that’s not my problem. I am just trying to win an election. Some sucker 20 or 30 years from today will have to figure that one out. Well, today is that day and the suckers have no idea how to solve that problem. Coming soon to a retirement fund near you.
What did Congress do with the $4 trillion (or was it only $3 trillion?) in the SS trust fund? They stole the money, replaced it with IOUs and spend it on wars, tax cuts for the upper crust and assorted vote buying projects.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 14:13:14

Politicians always over promise b/c they know by the time the promises come due somebody else is in power and they’re sitting pretty.

Like CEO’s of multinational corporations are any different? Or even the lowly guy who can’t sell a rotting house at fire sale prices because he’s responsible for the hit. This whole world is one big game of “kick the can and hope I kick the bucket before I have to kick the can again.”

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Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-07-26 06:41:22

Oh… 57% of taxes to retirement programs???

Federal government is taking in $2T and is spending $1.2B on SS and Medicare BEFORE the Boomers are even retired.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 08:11:32

Hispanic - 11,356 (60.2%)
White alone - 5,577 (29.6%)
Black alone - 1,297 (6.9%)
Other race alone - 386 (2.0%)
Two or more races - 171 (0.9%)
Asian alone - 59 (0.3%)
American alone - 23 (0.1%

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Central-Falls-Rhode-Island.html#ixzz1TDyNnVxv

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 04:12:30

widest wealth gap between US whites, minorities
By HOPE YEN -Associated Press 2011-07-26

The wealth gaps between whites and minorities have grown to their widest levels since the U.S. government began tabulating them a quarter-century ago. The recession and uneven recovery have erased decades of minority gains, leaving whites on average with 20 times the net worth of blacks and 18 times that of Hispanics, according to an analysis of new Census data.

The analysis shows the racial and ethnic impact of the recent economic meltdown, which ravaged housing values and sent unemployment soaring. It also offers the most direct government evidence yet of the stark wealth divide, a disparity between predominantly younger minorities whose main asset is their home and older whites who are more likely to have 401(k) retirement accounts or other stock holdings.

“I am afraid that this pushes us back to what the Kerner Commission characterized as `two societies, separate and unequal,’” said Roderick Harrison, a former chief of racial statistics at the Census Bureau, referring to the 1960s presidential commission that examined U.S. race relations. “The great difference is that the second society has now become both black and Hispanic.”

The median wealth of white U.S. households in 2009 was $113,149, compared to $6,325 for Hispanics and $5,677 for blacks, according to the analysis released Tuesday by the Pew Research Center. Those ratios, roughly 20 to 1 for blacks and 18 to 1 for Hispanics, far exceed the low mark of 7 to 1 for both groups reached in 1995, when the nation’s economic expansion lifted many low-income groups to the middle class.

The white-black wealth gap also is the widest since census began tracking such data in 1984, when the ratio was roughly 12 to 1.

“What’s pushing the wealth of whites is the rebound in the stock market and corporate savings, while younger Hispanics and African-Americans who bought homes in the last decade, because that was the American dream, are seeing big declines,” said Timothy Smeeding, a University of Wisconsin-Madison professor who specializes in income inequality.

Stock holdings play an important role in the economic well-being of white households. Stock funds, IRA and Keogh accounts as well as 401(k) and savings accounts were responsible for 28 percent of whites’ net worth, compared with 19 percent for blacks and 15 percent for Hispanics.

“There’s a good chance the wealth gap will widen further,” Smeeding said, citing the stalled housing market. “What we need to do is help lower-income people move up.”

Comment by combotechie
2011-07-26 05:49:58

“What we need to do is help lower-income people move up.”

Wow, what a neat idea! I wonder why nobody ever thought of it before.

This guy should be President.

Comment by combotechie
2011-07-26 06:04:03

We have a 401K plan where I work that has an 80% company match for the first six percent that the employee puts in and most employees are not enrolled.

You can lead a horse to water …

Comment by cactus
2011-07-26 14:56:13

We have a 401K plan where I work that has an 80% company match for the first six percent that the employee puts in and most employees are not enrolled.”

A very generous match beating my company by 100% and most places I’ve worked by at least 50%

Lots of 401k plans get cashed on changing jobs. pretty sad stories lie ahead and I bet there is no mention of mismanagment of retirement money by employees. Many people can’t handle a 401K rollover as carzy as that sounds. many people have no choice either as the great recession continues.

So the government will step in and fill this need, and that’s the way it is. Too bad the government is no better at handling money than the very people it seeks to save.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-07-26 06:19:27

University of Wisconsin-Madison professor

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-07-26 06:20:37

Wasn’t that the whole idea behind the “ownership society”?

Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 07:06:41

Edgewater, the “ownership society” is a classic mistake. Our government figured that owning a home was a cause of wealth, when it was really a sign of wealth. So they focused on getting people into those wealth homes as fast as they could and damn the qualifications.

The only way to “help people move up” is to find them good jobs to work, even if “good” means minimum wage in an area where minimum wage may actually be enough to live on.* And, yes, this would include programs to help move the poor from cities to the countryside to pick peaches, if need be.

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*Oil City, PA comes to mind…. :-D

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Comment by Trapper
2011-07-26 09:00:20

Oxide,
spot on with your comment, “government figured that owning a home was a cause of wealth, when it was really a sign of wealth”
thanks
-Trapper

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:40:37

“Our government figured that owning a home was a cause of wealth”

And it was! For Wall St.

As I’ve said many times, they knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

 
 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 06:40:37

“There’s a good chance the wealth gap will widen further,” Smeeding John Boehner said, …..“What we need to do is help lowerhigher-income people move up even more.”

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 07:14:10

`two societies, separate and unequal,’” … “The great difference is that the second society has now become both black and Hispanic.” ;-)

Vote for us “TruePathtoPeonPro$perity™” / “TrueNon-WarMaker$Fi$calConservatives™” / “TrueEthnicCompa$$ionateConservative™” repubicans, …’cause we have a plan!:

Job$! Job$! Job$! + No tax increases on the Wealthie$ (They’re $uffering $o!)

heheeeheeeheehaahaaahaaheeehaahaaa… (Hwy50™)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:38:47

“The median wealth of white U.S. households in 2009 was $113,149″

This is still skewed hard by the rich.

The largest group of poor is still… whites.

Comment by dude
2011-07-26 22:13:21

So half are above and half below $113K?

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-26 04:27:13

Chart
Created 22 jobs 2.7 million projected complete Dec. 2010
Created 23 jobs 4.1 million projected complete Early 2012
Created 17 jobs 2.6 million projected complete Sep. 2011
Created 32 jobs 5.2 million projected complete June 2011
Created 15 jobs 6.9 million projected complete July 2011

Jobs projected 569
Jobs created 109

Post investigation: Did stimulus money create jobs in Palm Beach County?

By Charles Elmore Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 9:33 a.m. Sunday, July 24, 2011

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/post-investigation-did-stimulus-money-create-jobs-in-1644774.html - 97k -

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-26 04:45:16

Stimulus money saved his job: Rafael Vicente, Inspector.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-07-26 04:50:55

“TALLAHASSEE — The state-run property insurer is proposing to increase sinkhole insurance premiums by more than 2,000 percent in some parts of the Tampa Bay area, and an average of more than 400 percent across the state.”

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/banking/article1182362.ece

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-07-26 06:59:20

Here we go again. Another insurance company gouging its customers, claiming they may go broke without a huge premium increase.

Oh, wait.

 
Comment by jbunniii
2011-07-26 08:25:36

I don’t think I should like to live in a state where sinkholes make a frequent enough appearance to warrant insuring against.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 05:28:43

Today’s house:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/106-Spring-St-Gaithersburg-MD-20877/37219202_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}

This is a tidy-looking 1963 brick rambler.
6/3 1000 sq ft — 3 bedrooms in the basement.
Somewhat walkable to the last Metro station, decent price, full basement. 0.15 acre.

Sold: Aug 2005 $239K
Sold: Dec 2005 $415K (that’s a pretty hefty flip from a price that is way off the Zestimate, probably fraud somewhere…)
Listed: $235K

$223 per sq foot, but that’s because the finished basement isn’t included in the sq footage.

Days on Zillow: 206 — been chasing down from $260K since 2009.
I find this strange, this is type of house I would expect to be snapped up. There’s only one photo, so maybe something is wrong with it.

Comment by Sarah
2011-07-26 06:07:56

Usually, if they don’t show the inside, its totally trashed or outdated. It is interesting the description says “new hardwood floors.” Hardwood floors last well over 100 years unless there is severe water damage, fire, etc.

Comment by Jim A
2011-07-26 06:48:11

Or they weren’t hardwood before, although ‘63 seems early for wall to wall over plywood.

And yeah doubling in price in just a few months is either fraud, or a major rehab. And no interior photos makes the latter seem doubtful. Three bedrooms in the basement makes one wonder whether it was being used as a bording house/group home type of occupancy. That can be pretty hard on the interior of the house.

 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-07-26 09:39:32

oxide
Cute house, and I agree with Sarah about the interior being questionable without the pictures.

We noticed a flip we pre-viewed, that was across the street from a HS football field (geez, how fun on Friday nights and band practice) is down $20K this morning, as a new listing. Nice job on redo, and nice pool, but you’d have to be deaf.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:43:43

WAY overpriced for 2000sqft. and age.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-07-26 05:43:57

Realtors Are Liars®

 
Comment by CharlieTango
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-07-26 06:19:11

This is your hope….. but your hope will disappoint you in a very big way.

Comment by CharlieTango
2011-07-26 06:37:41

What?

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 07:33:37

Tango’s post is an opinion piece was written by Andrew Malcolm.

From his biography: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/11/andrew-malcolm-1.html

“Andrew Malcolm’s immigrant parents repeatedly stressed the importance of active participation in a democracy. Early lessons included learning the alphabetical list of states by watching televised roll calls of national political conventions. That childhood exposure led to a lifelong fascination with politics, including 40-plus years of covering them and a brief stint practicing them as press secretary to Laura Bush in 1999-2000.

Malcolm’s piece barely cites any polls, and the poll Malcolm references has NOTHING to do with a “crumbling base.” It’s a Gallup job approval poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148634/Obama-Weekly-Job-Approval-Ties-Term-Low.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=Presidential%20Job%20Approval

“Obama’s most recent weekly job approval rating is similar to his 44% of the previous week, but down three percentage points from the two weeks before that. The president also had 43% weekly job approval ratings in late June, in April, and in August 2010. His three-day job approval average for the weekend, July 22-24, is 45%, up slightly from 42% for July 21-23….

Obama’s current job approval rating is now lower than President Bill Clinton’s was in November and December 2005, when Clinton faced off against Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich over a budget dispute.”

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Yes, well, when Clinton was President, the Internet jobs were in high gear, we had relative peacetime, and the baby boomers were making lots of money rather than collecting Social Security. Give Clinton 15 years of outsourcing, a bankster cartel which belongs on the dock for racketeering, a Tea Party that makes Gingrich look like Kucinich, and a filibuster-happy Senate, and I’d be stunned if he could hold at 45%, the way Obama is.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 08:14:18

“A debt-crisis is only a problem until the bailout liz pendens™

… us repubicans get the POTUS back! ;-)

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-07-26 12:50:35

The hate for O is founded in bigotry.

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-26 13:18:49

And the lack of ability to look objectively at the world…same thing, I suppose.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 13:34:58

Not anymore RAL…now its based on stupidity….

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:45:41

“The hate for O is founded in bigotry.”

See my post far above on neocons.

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Comment by Robin
2011-07-26 18:46:36

Racial, probably. Percentage of cabinet from government vs. business - embarrassing, if true. I voted for him wholeheartedly!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 05:47:40

Sanders: Would be ‘good’ for Obama to face primary challenge
By Michael O’Brien - 07/25/11

One of the Senate’s liberal stalwarts suggested over the weekend that President Obama could benefit from a primary challenger over the next year.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), an Independent who caucuses with Democrats, said it would be a “good idea” for Obama to face a primary challenger, if for nothing else than as a counterweight to Republican voices in the presidential debate.
“My suggestion is, I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him, and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing,” Sanders told talk show host Thom Hartmann over the weekend. “I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 09:46:09

Sanders: Would be ‘good’ for Obama to face primary challenge

The Firedoglake crowd has been saying the same thing for at least a year. The various cave-ins and backroom deals on health care reform got those flames started. Since then, they’ve only burned hotter.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 11:12:47

Even the DailyKos crowd has given up on Firedog Lake as raving loonies.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 11:18:01

Sanders: Would be ‘good’ for Obama to face primary challenge

I love to see a Democrat on the general election ballot. It’s bee awhile.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 06:15:14

Appears Barry’s pay czar is really on the ball.

Gulf oil spill victims weary of wait for payouts
By Rick Jervis, USA TODAY

NEW ORLEANS — Robert Campo once believed the TV commercials by oil giant BP that promised to “make it right” and compensate those along the Gulf Coast who lost work during last year’s disastrous oil spill.

Oyster fisherman Robert Campo from St. Bernard Parish, La., says the Gulf oil spill compensation fund has offered him less than one-third of what he requested for 2010 losses.

More than a year after the spill ruined his oyster beds, however, Campo is still waiting for what he believes is full payment. The $20 billion fund created by BP to compensate those ruined by the spill has offered him less than one-third of what he requested. He’s still waiting to hear why.

“I’m not looking for a handout. I’m just looking for them to make right what they did wrong,” says Campo, an oyster fisherman from St. Bernard Parish, La. “It’s taken way too long.”

Campo joins a chorus of local fishermen, seafood processors, hoteliers and others who say that nearly a year since it opened its doors, the Gulf Coast Claims Facility that administers the BP fund has not moved fast enough to pay those hurt most by the spill. Last week, Attorney General Eric Holder ordered an independent audit of the fund. Kenneth Feinberg, the fund’s administrator, has agreed to the audit, scheduled for sometime this year.

The Gulf Coast Claims Facility has paid nearly $5 billion in claims to about 200,000 claimants, one of the largest payout efforts in U.S. history, according to the facility.
Compensation fund

The compensation fund for victims of last year’s Gulf of Mexico oil spill has paid out less than 25% of the money available:

Total amount of fund: $20 billion
Total amount paid: $4.8 billion
Source: Gulf Coast Claims Facility

The fund was started in the wake of the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig in April 2010, which killed 11 workers and unleashed more than 170 million gallons of crude into the Gulf. BP leased the rig and assumed most of the responsibility for its aftermath.

Local officials and some claimants say the facility has improved in recent months after earlier complaints of taking too long to process claims and not clearly explaining why some were rejected. Customer service at the facility’s Gulf Coast offices, for example, has improved and claimants are at least getting answers on the status of their claims, says Tony Kennon, mayor of Orange Beach, Ala., an early critic of Feinberg and the fund.

“Some aspects of the program have gotten better,” Kennon says. “We still don’t feel like we’re where we should be, but I do appreciate (Feinberg) moving in our direction.”

Critics of the facility say the process still appears bogged down and random: Some boat deckhands are getting paid full compensation while business owners with full documentation are receiving only a percentage of their losses.

George Barisich, a Louisiana shrimper and president of the United Commercial Fisherman’s Alliance, says he has produced tax documents and other receipts showing he lost $200,000 last year. The facility offered him $25,000.

Every week, facility workers ask him for more documentation, Barisich says. “It’s a game,” he says. “The game is: Starve these poor (fishermen) out until they’re ready to take whatever’s offered.”

Comment by CrackerJim
2011-07-26 06:33:27

A nation of victims.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:47:07

That what you get with one run crooks.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 18:14:43

YOIKES!

“That’s what you get with one run by crooks.”

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-07-26 14:15:28

Sounds like the mortgage modification crew is moonlighting by working the BP claim desk.

Be wary of placing faith in a bureaucracy.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:53:16

…and NEVER trust a corporation.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:51:27

“The game is: Starve these poor (fishermen) out until they’re ready to take whatever’s offered.”

This is EXACTLY what happened to the people in Alaska after the Valdez disaster.

It took almost 20 years to finally get paid and they were give and avg of 32k.

30. Effing. Thousand. AFTER 20 YEARS.

I guess less regulation would have paid them more and faster. :roll:

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 06:20:47

Let’s see, GE pays little to no taxes, it’s president is a top adviser to our countries president, and they are screwing the U.S. a little more each day. Yet no one in D.C. sees any problem with this apparently.

ITEM: GE Moves 115-Year-Old X-Ray Unit’s Base to China to
Tap Growth (Bloomberg)

General Electric Co.’s health-care unit, the world’s biggest maker of medical-imaging machines, is moving the headquarters of its 115-year-old X-ray business to Beijing to tap growth in China.

“A handful” of top managers will move to the Chinese capital and there won’t be any job cuts, Anne LeGrand, vice president and general manager of X-ray for GE Healthcare, said in an interview. The headquarters will move from Waukesha, Wisconsin, amid a broader parent-company plan to invest about $2 billion across China, including opening six “customer innovation” and development centers.

The move follows the introduction earlier this year of GE Healthcare’s “Spring Wind” initiative to develop and distribute medical products and services in China, GE said in a statement today. More than 20 percent of the X-ray unit’s new products will be developed in China, LeGrand said.

The division should have “double-digit” growth rates as the country converts from film and analog to digital X-ray technology, LeGrand said. “When you look at a market like China, it’s primarily analog. So we feel this will also bring digital technology at an appropriate price-point.”

GE Healthcare, also the world’s biggest maker of magnetic resonance imaging and cardiac tomography scanners, got about $1.1 billion of its $16.9 billion in sales from China last year. Health-care device markets are forecast to more than double this year, according to researcher Epsicom.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-07-26 07:07:00

Someone in the D.C. area needs to make up a professional-looking sign, put it on the lawn in front of the Capitol and post a photo on the internet.

“The U.S. Capitol, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Wall Street and Corporate America.”

Wake up, people!

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 15:56:58

Exactly.

People have yet to realize that the government is just the scapegoat/distraction/whipping boy-toy for the masses created by the rich.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 07:22:30

TruePatrioticInc.™” General Electric Co.’$ health-care unit, the world’s biggest maker of medical-imaging machines, is moving the headquarters of its 115-year-old X-ray business to Beijing to tap growth in provide easy acce$$ to fast duplication & widespread manufacturing & distribution by China.

Clarity. ;-)

(“TruePatriotCEO’$™” plead, plead, plead: “give u$ a tax repatriation holiday and we’ll bring the money back and start creating Job$! Job$! Job$!…”)

 
Comment by yensoy
2011-07-26 08:57:16

I have a ringside view of this circus. Or let’s say, I am in this circus.

I think this will end badly for the companies that move out to China. However, I think it will only open up opportunities for new, young, energetic, innovative upstarts in the US.

Reasons? let’s see… inflation in wages in China; USD/RMB exchange rates; (in most cases) the mirage of a huge market in China; the lack of a culture of innovation; employee attrition and lack of commitment; IP theft - hell theft of the whole business - ideas, engineers/workers, software, customers, everything; anti-competitive/anti-foreign legislation that can’t be challenged; lack of understanding of the primary market.

Some parts of some companies know what they are doing, but the vast majority are walking into a trap.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 09:48:22

Reasons? let’s see… inflation in wages in China; USD/RMB exchange rates; (in most cases) the mirage of a huge market in China; the lack of a culture of innovation; employee attrition and lack of commitment; IP theft - hell theft of the whole business - ideas, engineers/workers, software, customers, everything; anti-competitive/anti-foreign legislation that can’t be challenged; lack of understanding of the primary market.

Yensoy, you omitted Chinese government corruption. Which dwarfs the level of corruption that’s commonly found in Mexico.

Comment by yensoy
2011-07-26 11:03:58

Good point Az, but it works both ways. I’m sure the executives making this decision were wined and dined by the local governments. But when it comes to selling X-Ray equipment to the government hospitals, good luck to GE unless they want to run afoul of US anti-corruption laws.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 16:35:27

“Yensoy, you omitted Chinese government corruption. Which dwarfs the level of corruption that’s commonly found in Mexico.”

Yeah, but at $1 TRILLION JUST FOR WALL ST ALONE, and counting, ours is STILL number one!

USA! USA! USA!

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 10:32:25

Yensoy, I’m just a dumb scientist, but even *I* see the articles about China’s economy.

And it surprises me that they these multinationals don’t skip over China entirely, and just move their operations one tier down, to Cambodia or Vietnam, and just sell to China as a market. They would effectively save a lap on the race to the bottom.

Comment by yensoy
2011-07-26 11:00:13

Oxide, this isn’t about manufacturing (own factory or contract mfr). This is about moving the business - product team, design team, engineering team, service team etc in addition to the production itself which probably moved over 10+ years ago.

Cambodia/Vietnam do not have the capabilities to support anything other than manufacturing at this point in time. India has all the other capabilities except supporting manufacturing.

China is a formidable manufacturing house - one reason is that the whole goddamn supply chain is based here. You want a million shoelaces next week? You’ll get it. You want a thousand high refractive index prisms of a certain profile, you’ll get that too. Nobody even comes close. Yes labour costs are rising, but labour costs are small for high value products and China is still as relevant in manufacturing as before.

Where companies are being blindsided is in moving higher functions (”white collar” jobs) to China based on their huge successes in manufacturing, and the premise that it opens up both a huge market and access to a huge talent pool. That part won’t end well for the reasons I alluded to.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 16:38:14

Just based on my own research and following the trends and practices over the last 20 years, yensoy is correct.

 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2011-07-26 10:54:26

WE need to give GE more tax breaks, oh wait they already pay not taxes. We need to give the executives more tax breaks, oh wait that won’t keep the company and jobs in the US.

Trickle down economics at work.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 06:23:59

The soaring cost of back-to-school basics - MSNBC

NEW YORK — Paper and pens are just the beginning of back-to-school expenses for a growing number of families.

State and local governments are cutting back, leading more public school districts to charge kids to compete in sports or play in the band. Such fees, commonly known as “pay-to-participate” or “pay-to-play” cropped up in the 1980s.

Initially, most of the extra fees were tied to athletics, particularly expensive sports like football and hockey.

Researching schools in Ohio in the late 1990s as part of his research for his PhD, Scott Smith found that about 20 percent of its school districts required some fees to play sports.

Today the practice is proliferating, said Smith, now chairman of the Department of Physical Education & Sport at Central Michigan University.

“Across the country, there’s kind of a national phenomenon taking place,” he said. “Obviously school budgets are being cut everywhere, and as school budgets are cut extracurriculars are cut.”

And it’s not just sports. From Connecticut to Arizona, districts are adding fees to participate in after-school clubs, music programs and other activities.

The price tags vary — some districts charge more for expensive sports while others set flat rates. It’s not uncommon for districts to set an annual cap for families with more than one student enrolled in a school.

Payson High School in Payson, Ariz., for instance, assesses a $200 sports participation fee for students to try out and play one of 14 sports. A second sport is $50. There is no charge for a third sport, and fees are capped at $400 per family. The school also charges fees for certain electives: $20 for art or business and $40 for computer tech, for example.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 06:31:43

Heck, our school district has been charging lab fees and other fees for academics. It can run as high as $200 a semester.

Comment by wolfgirl
2011-07-26 08:18:12

Whe I was in school-mid1960’s-we rented textbooks and paid for magazines and newspapers.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 06:25:17

Rating Cut May Force Student-Loan Security Sales
(BLOOMBERG)

A cut in the U.S. government’s AAA grade could force investors to sell asset-backed securities tied to student loans, causing spreads to widen “significantly,” according to Citigroup Inc.

“A ratings downgrade would be a significant blow” to the $250 billion government-guaranteed sector, Citigroup analysts led by Mary Kane said in a July 22 report. “The likelihood of forced selling is elevated.”

Citigroup sees a 50 percent chance of a ratings cut this year as the U.S. struggles to reduce its long-term debt. Many investors buy student-loan securities specifically because they’re so highly rated and a U.S. government credit risk, according to analysts at the New York-based lender. Money managers with rating-based guidelines would be forced to sell into a sinking market, affecting the sector more than other asset-backed debt tied to consumers, commercial mortgages and corporate loans, they wrote.

Securities linked to student borrowings yield 170 basis points, or 1.7 percentage points, more than Treasuries, according to a Bank of America Merrill Lynch index. The spread has narrowed from 186 basis points since Dec. 31.

Citigroup considers it highly probable that President Barack Obama and Congress will reach a deal to raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2 that doesn’t adequately address the long-term fiscal situation. It’s less likely that the U.S. will breach the ceiling and default on its debt, which would have a “massive impact on numerous markets,” analysts Brett Rose and Siddharth Joshi wrote in the same report.

Comment by rms
2011-07-26 07:31:47

I paid 8% interest on my $22k of student loan debt, and looking back I admit my engineering degree was worth the expense. It took me five years to pay it down, and I was also supporting a family of four.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 08:54:53

I also graduated with about 8K of student loan debt, even though I attended a private school. The rest was paid for with grants and scholarships.

Today the cost of attending a public U, including room and board and books can easily reach 20K per year, and unlike when I went to school today scholarships and grants are tiny to non-existent. Financial aid for most students means loans. Lots and lots of loans. Loans that many of them won’t be able to pay back.

The cost to attend my Alma Mater (University of San Diego) is over 40K per year now. I though my kids might go there, until I saw the financial aid package. There was some scholarship money, but it was mostly loans. Unfortunately my daughters aren’t good at sports. I’ve never understood why we give jocks free rides in the USA, but students with good grades and test scores are expected to borrow to the hilt.

There are some good academic scholarships out there, but you need to score in the top 99th percentile on the ACT or SAT to get them.

Comment by butters
2011-07-26 08:58:07

Jocks make money for coaches and administrators.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 15:19:45

I understand at the big sports schools, but even at nerdy USD they hand out athletic scholarships like candy. Meanwhile, if your kid scored 97th percentile on her ACT, well … be prepared to drain your savings dry or to borrow an ungodly amount of money.

When I attended USD my tuition was free. And I only borrowed a little to pay for living expenses (I worked P/T as a programmer).

Needless to say, my kids attend a local state U.

 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-07-26 09:55:22

Advertizing money, endorsements and alumni demand.

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 14:18:43

I’ve heard stories of parents holding their kids back for a year before starting school so that the kid is a year older and therefore more likely to be a standout on the sports teams. Not good enough to go pro, but enough to pay for some schooling.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 15:22:34

I saw a commercial on TV (I can’t remember for what) where two parents brag that they taught their 5 year old to slam dunk. The tot appears and defying gravity he slams the ball into the net of the garage mounted hoop and backboard. Mom then squeals with delight: Scholarship!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 16:42:16

As I’ve said many times, a society that puts a price on everything values nothing.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-26 06:49:51

David Weidner’s Writing on the Wall

July 26, 2011, 12:01 a.m. EDT
Mortgages for dummies
Commentary: Banks have a certain kind of borrower they prefer
By David Weidner, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Are you an idiot? If so, you may qualify for a bank loan with a special rate.

This isn’t a put on. It’s simply the logical conclusion given last week’s House vote on a bill that would “improve” on the newly formed Consumer Financial Protection Bureau by undermining its authority and cutting its funding.

In other words: banks like dumb customers.

Given all the banking turmoil these days — the mortgage write-downs, foreclosure woes, and new regulation — you’d think that banks would be interested in teaching consumers how to manage all of these complicated loan products they’ve devised.

You’d think the last thing they want is to undermine an agency that’s main role is educating borrowers and ensuring lending fairness. But H.R. 1315 does basically that. It shrinks the CFPB.

The bill was introduced by Rep. Sean Duffy, (R.-Wis.), a 38-year-old attorney who was elected to his first congressional term in November, and was dubbed one of the “young guns” of the Republican Party by none other than The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page.

Duffy, a tea-party favorite, said he ran to foster “free markets” and halt “creeping socialism.”

If it weren’t for his stated concern for the American consumer, you’d might think Duffy is a patsy of the big banks. Congressman Duffy has taken more than $100,000 from the financial lobby, his biggest contributing industry by far. He counts home builders and the American Bankers Association among his biggest donors.

You could say he’s brought that free market spirit to his office.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 16:45:12

Banks, and many other American business for that matter, could NOT survive without dumb customers.

As I’ve said over and over, our education system is crap… on purpose.

Did you all think I was exaggerating?

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-26 07:11:11

IMF chief urges US to raise borrowing limit

The Associated Press
July 26, 2011 10:06 AM EDT

WASHINGTON — The head of the International Monetary Fund says failure to raise the U.S. borrowing limit could damage the global economy.

In a speech in New York, Christine Lagarde calls on U.S. political leaders to show the same “political courage” that European leaders demonstrated last week, when they agreed on several new measures to address Greece’s debt crisis.

President Barack Obama and Republican lawmakers are at an impasse in negotiations to raise the nation’s $14.3 trillion borrowing limit. The federal government is at risk of defaulting on its debt after Aug. 2 if an agreement isn’t reached by then.

Lagarde says a default or downgrade of U.S. debt “would be a very, very, very serious event not just for the United States but for the global economy at large.”

Comment by cactus
2011-07-26 15:36:18

In a speech in New York, Christine Lagarde calls on U.S. political leaders to show the same “political courage” that European leaders demonstrated last week, when they agreed on several new measures to address Greece’s debt crisis.”

Suzanne reseached this you guys can afford it

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 16:46:21

+1 :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 07:16:33

Postal Service targets 3,600 offices for closure
Postmaster to release list, propose shifting some functions to local stores
~MSNBC

The U.S. Postal Service is expected to announce a plan Tuesday to close more than 3,600 post offices, mostly in small communities, to close a widening budget gap, according to published reports.

The list of proposed closures, amounting to about 11 percent of the total, will be made public Tuesday by Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe.

The selected locations were chosen because they get the “least amount of foot traffic and retail sales,” according to The Wall Street Journal.

They also may be near other local businesses that could replace some or all postal services by selling stamps and accepting packages under a so-called new “village post office concept.”

Despite cutting $12 billion in labor costs over the past four years, the postal service expects to face a deficit of $8 billion to $9 billion in the current fiscal year and has maxed out its line of credit with the federal government, Donahoe told the Journal.

The Postal Service said in January it was considering half the nation’s post offices for potential closure, with the objective of closing up to 2,000 offices . The new plan, also reported by CNNMoney, would be considerably more aggressive.

The Postal Service also has been pushing to eliminate costly Saturday scheduled mail delivery, which it says could save $3 billion a year.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 08:24:10

Another dumb idea……….I’m ok with no Saturday delivery, but damnnit make your window hours longer i saw a line of people in 100 heat Saturday to mail their packages, because you close at 1pm …it used to be 830 to 3 now its 9-1

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 15:11:27

9-1? Really? Out here they’re open 8-5.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 16:51:28

Yeah it used to be open 830-7pm weekdays …now its open 10am -5…yeah the PO window opens at 10 am…and sometimes they lock the door before 5 so the tellers don’t get any overtime…

But if you sell heavy stuff like records you have to use the cheap media mail rate ….or if you need to get a return receipt..or send a few items overseas..but for 90% of the time i use ups..

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Comment by Montana
2011-07-26 15:21:14

I can remember twice-day-deliveries in LA (zone 41).

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 08:43:38

If the USPS was a private business it wouldn’t need congress’s permission to raise rates to cover its costs. So it finds itself in the worst of both worlds: it needs to be self sufficient yet it’s not allowed to set its prices. Of UPS or FedEx were in the same boat they would also be in trouble.

I say that if the USPS is to be self sufficient then it should be allowed to operate like a real business. People will whine when the cost of the first class stamp goes up, but they can try UPS, DLH or FedEx and see if they’ll deliver a letter for anything even close to what the Post Office charges.

For ordinary mail delivery no one else does what they do. I personally use media mail a lot. Even if media mail prices increased 10-20% it would still be a bargain compared to UPS.

Comment by drumminj
2011-07-26 09:35:42

I say that if the USPS is to be self sufficient then it should be allowed to operate like a real business

I agree, but then they must lose protections they are granted by the federal government due to their regulated “monopoly.”

Anyone should be able to put stuff in a mailbox(including fedex and UPS), for example.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 15:09:54

“Anyone should be able to put stuff in a mailbox(including fedex and UPS), for example.”

As long as FedEx and UPS will deliver a letter ANYWHERE in the US for under 50 cents, or charge me low media rates to mail books and disks, then I don’t see a problem with that.

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Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 07:18:18

Bank of America to cut 59 jobs in Fort Lauderdale
South Florida Business Journal

Bank of AmericabizWatch filed notice with Florida that it intends to lay off 59 employees in Fort Lauderdale.

The layoffs will take place at the bank’s office at 1425 N.W. 62nd St. (Cypress Creek Road) from Nov. 1 through Jan. 31.

BofA spokeswoman Christina Beyer Toth said the bank would leave its Fort Lauderdale deposit products operation and monitoring site with an early lease exit. The impacted employees may be eligible for severance pay and/or relocation assistance, she added.

BofA ranked second in South Florida, with $23.1 billion in deposits and 206 branches on June 30, 2010. The Charlotte, N.C.-based company (NYSE: BAC) was stung by an $8.8 billion loss in the second quarter.

 
Comment by ROBOT
2011-07-26 07:19:27

FHA May Be Next in Line for Bailout: Delisle and Papagianis

The nationwide decline in house prices has created a vacuum in the U.S. mortgage market. Private financing for home loans has all but dried up and the U.S. government is now guaranteeing almost every new mortgage. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have received most of the media’s attention, but policy makers need to focus on the third leg of the housing- support stool: the Federal Housing Administration.

The FHA has some major accounting problems. Left unaddressed, they could spook the markets, lead the FHA to seek a federal cash infusion and further enrage taxpayers. These outcomes can be avoided — but only if policy makers are more transparent about the risks involved in guaranteeing mortgages.

The FHA provides private lenders with a 100 percent guarantee against defaults on home mortgages that meet certain underwriting criteria, such as a minimum down payment and credit score. Traditionally, the FHA has served first-time homebuyers and low- to moderate-income families who pay an insurance premium for this loan guarantee.

As private-financing options have disappeared, the role of the FHA has grown. Its market share has increased to about 30 percent today from 3-4 percent in 2007. That’s because the agency is now practically the only game in town, accepting borrowers with down payments of as low as 3.5 percent. As the last few years have made clear, sizable down payments — or “skin in the game” — are the key to avoiding defaults in the near term and to achieving a stable housing market in the long term.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 08:12:43

As the last few years have made clear, sizable down payments — or “skin in the game” — are the key to avoiding defaults in the near term and to achieving a stable housing market in the long term.

LOGIC FAIL

Example: Juan Strawberry Picker makes $24K a year. He can’t rub two dimes together. A guy off the street gives him $50K cash. Juan uses the $50K to buy a $300K house. But he later forecloses anyway, skin in the game or no.

It’s NOT the down payment that keeps you in house, fools. What keeps you in the house is the discipline — and the INCOME — that allows you to amass the down payment in the first place.

Comment by The_Overdog
2011-07-26 08:32:08

Example: Juan Strawberry Picker makes $24K a year. He can’t rub two dimes together. A guy off the street gives him $50K cash. Juan uses the $50K to buy a $300K house. But he later forecloses anyway, skin in the game or no.

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Generally, gifted money is considered differently than income on home loan applications. However, even if it weren’t, if Juan’s loan is only $249k and he has to sell, assuming his house hasn’t dropped dramatically in value, then he can sell without a foreclosure being necessary.

He may not retain his $50k gift in the sale, but foreclosure is not his only option. I think it is pretty easy to argue that home sales (for whatever reason) are part of a stable market, and that defaults and foreclosures are not.

I would say that Juan’s gifted purchase distorts the market for someone else buying, but assuming normal supply of a stable market, that distortion would be minimal.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 16:50:11

As the last few years have made clear, sizable down payments — or “skin in the game” — are the key to avoiding defaults in the near term and to achieving a stable housing market in the long term.

So then… why are Prime mortgages leading in defaults?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 07:26:38

That “giant sucking sound” just never goes away…

BP Solar to close Frederick facility, lay off 58
The Baltimore Sun

BP Solar warned state regulators Monday that it will close what remains of its Frederick operation and lay off 58 employees, starting this fall.

The company’s decision to shut the solar-power facility, cutting research and development jobs as well as sales and marketing positions, came after it relocated the manufacturing operation there overseas. BP announced in March 2010 that the site would lose 320 manufacturing jobs as a result.

Resler said BP Solar is shifting away from selling solar modules through distributors and will focus solely on developing large solar projects, a move that will require fewer employees.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 07:47:36

MegaWankerBanker$ loan monie$ to MegaSolar to off$hore US jobs. Mega$hips bring MegaSolar products back to US. MegaStore$ sell to Linda-the-Lunch-Lady-who-is-Living Lavishly! Megapeon’s smile and say: “tankxs for shopping at Wal-Fart!” ;-)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 16:52:18

A clear case of market manipulation and attempted sabatoge if there ever was one.

Hey BP, how come several American companies are barely in business for 2-3 years and then get bought buy the Chinese for 10s to 100s of millions?

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-07-26 08:20:17

New-home sales fell 1 percent in June

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER The Associated Press
Posted: 10:11 a.m. Tuesday, July 26, 2011

WASHINGTON — Fewer people bought new homes in June, evidence that the housing market remains weak.

Sales of new homes fell 1 percent last month to an annual rate of 312,000, the Commerce Department said Tuesday. That’s less than half the 700,000 that economists say is typical in healthy markets.

Last year was the worst for new-home sales on records dating back a half century. Through the first six months of this year, sales are lagging behind last year’s totals.

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 08:20:58

New-Home Sales Unexpectedly Fell for 2nd Month
July 26 (Bloomberg) –

Sales of new U.S. homes unexpectedly declined for a second month in June, indicating housing is still languishing two years into the economic recovery.

Purchases dropped 1 percent to a 312,000 annual pace, a three-month low, figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. The median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey of economists called for a 320,000 rate. The median selling price of a new home rose from a year earlier, while inventories fell to the lowest on record.

Builders have little incentive to start projects as the prospect of more distressed properties entering the foreclosure pipeline depresses home values. The figures underscore Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke’s comments that demand for homes has been held back by slow job growth and restrained consumer optimism.

“You’re still dealing with a supply-demand imbalance that suggests home prices will remain under pressure,” Tom Porcelli, chief U.S. economist at RBC Capital Markets Corp. in New York, who forecast June sales at a 310,000 pace. “As unemployment stays high, it will be difficult to generate meaningful gains in home sales.”

Confidence among U.S. consumers unexpectedly rose in July from an eight-month low, led by a rebound in the outlook for jobs over the next six months. The Conference Board’s index climbed to 59.5 from a revised 57.6 reading in June.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 09:50:59

New-Home Sales Unexpectedly Fell for 2nd Month

There’s that word again.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 16:54:32

Am I good or what? :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 08:22:55

States have no place to hide from debt crisis

MIAMI (Reuters) - State governments across America know the stakes for them are high in Washington’s gathering debt-ceiling crisis but are finding few ways to hedge against the big losses they know are coming.

The weeks-old negotiations in Washington over enlarging the federal government’s borrowing authorization are so scattered and twisted that state officials reliant on federal monies for large portions of their budgets can’t handicap the outcomes.

“A complete unknown at this point …,” said H.D. Palmer, spokesman for California’s finance department of the standoff. “We just don’t know where things are going to end up.”

Officials in Maine, and in Virginia, which was one of five AAA-rated states called out for possible ratings cuts last week by Moody’s Investors Service because of the debt face-off, said they can’t plan adjustments because outcomes were so clouded.

“We have been examining areas where we think there could be impacts, but cannot make any firm contingency plans because of the uncertainty of what impacts we may see …,” said Jeff Caldwell, spokesman for Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell.

Some state and local governments, which together got $478 billion from the federal government in 2010, said they will tap reserves or borrowings and use other funds to make up for any short-run losses of federal monies.

Some state finance officials have shifted bond sales because of the federal standoff and others are bracing for possible downturns in sales tax revenues if Social Security and other payments to individuals are interrupted.

In Wisconsin, where federal revenue is about 29 percent, or $9.3 billion, of the annual budget, the state has enough money to fund federal programs for at least three months due to proceeds from a recent $800 million note sale and the state’s ability to borrow from other funds, an official said.

“Right now it appears that Wisconsin will be able in the short term to handle any type of default the federal government would have,” Mike Huebsch, secretary of the state’s administration department, told reporters on Monday.

Huebsch said the federal debt crisis could affect Medicaid healthcare spending, student loans, state university research grants, low-income heating assistance and child welfare.

But even if a deal is reached by August 2, the day U.S. Treasury officials say the government’s current borrowing authorization expires, big questions about federal funds for states and local governments will linger for a long time.

“If there is a deal, there will be a headline number,” said Chris Whatley of the Council of State Governments. “But the cuts themselves won’t be known for months. You won’t know what the numbers will be for your state for a long time.”

Even so, governors, legislators and local officials do know that the flows of money from the federal government will be slower in coming years, according to Whatley.

“This is uncharted territory. I don’t think we know how it could affect us,” said Martha Haynie, comptroller for Florida’s Orange County.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 16:56:07

““This is uncharted territory. I don’t think we know how it could affect us,” said Martha Haynie, comptroller for Florida’s Orange County.”

2 words: “Detroit” and “Katrina”

 
 
Comment by BlueStar
2011-07-26 08:40:41

A simple question… Maybe Combotechie or ProfessorBear can answer this. Why would the value of long bonds go up when they are denominated in dollars, which are losing value against almost every other fiat currency? The ten year right now is 2.96% (down from 3.02 yesterday, up .7%) and the dollar is falling like a rock (down .07%)? Why would someone buy a bond which pays in dollars when the value of said dollars just keeps losing value? The math doesn’t work.

Comment by yensoy
2011-07-26 09:49:30

Because if the debt deal is in place and the budget balances, then there won’t be too many bonds available for sale?

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-07-26 10:52:10

for many reasons.

Could be that the purchaser is limited in what other instruments they can invest in.

Could be that the other investments they can invest in are falling equally.

Could also be that the purchases have to be made in a defined amount of time, the dollar has been falling for approximately the past 20 years, and therefore the purchaser considers minor dips to be inconsequential. If they wanted to chase risky currency fluctuations, they’d be trading currency instead of bonds.

Also they could consider the timeframe in which the dollar will rise/become stable not relevant within the scope of the bond purchase.

Finally, they could be a relatively unsophisticated investor and not track currency fluctuations at all and not be aware of the falling dollar.

Comment by BlueStar
2011-07-26 11:43:27

Thanks for the analysis. The US Treasury market is huge, add to this CDOs and linked debt instruments and the numbers explode to tens of trillions. The math still don’t work. I guess it’s like a religion. Remember when Ben Bernanke was asked why we hold gold at Ft. Knox, he said “tradition”. Under classic capitalism, when equities(risk) values go up then bonds(safety) go down. That hasn’t happened in a long time.

Comment by The_Overdog
2011-07-26 12:56:21

Under classic capitalism, when equities(risk) values go up then bonds(safety) go down.
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remember there’s more than one type of risk, so that’s such a general comment as to be not correct enough to explain market conditions in anything other than a textbook.

maybe in the ’20s when there were only 5 major buyers and all were located in the US, but there are hundreds if not thousands worldwide now and many have competing timelines and interests.

Also diversification strategies require the ownership of stocks and bonds, and modern stock and bond prices move for all intents and purposes independantly.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 15:05:54

Under classic capitalism

“Classic capitalism” reminds me of those college physics problems where you ignored real work factors (like friction).

 
 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2011-07-26 15:41:02

Why would the value of long bonds go up when they are denominated in dollars, which are losing value against almost every other fiat currency? ”

Deflation. Only an idiot buys bonds with accelerating Inflation ahead

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 08:46:14

Clam down Karl, no need to get all wee-weed up. The debit ceiling will rise, and one day in the future we’ll default. We are not about to the rip the band-aid off, or sit down and eat our peas. The empire is crumbling.

Article: No, You’re Not King Sir Jackass
The Market Ticker ® - Commentary on The Capital Markets
by Karl Denninger

That was an absolute disaster for Obama.

Let us not forget that this President came into office and ran the credit card to the extent of more than $1,500 billion a year for the last two years. He continued the bankrupt policies of George Bush who did the same damn thing. He has blown money like crazy, yet has utterly refused to face the fact that there is no way he can continue to do what we’ve been doing with these deficits for the indefinite future.

We were told these deficits were necessary due to a crisis in 2008. But we have also been told the crisis is over. That our economy is recovering. That Wall Street is “healthy.” That the banks are “ok” and “well-capitalized.”

These are lies and The President knows it! The economy is a damn wreck. The banks are only “solvent” because they’re lying about asset values. And Wall Street is punch-drunk - again - on cheap leverage, headed for yet another utter and complete disaster.

So now, having run smack into the Tea Party and Boehner saying “no more damnit; we’re going to blow up if this crap continues!” The President now turns around and throws a temper tantrum on national television threatening the old “tanks in the streets” (effectively) if he does not get what he wants - which is yet another blank check.

Well Mr. President I want to know when the blank check demands stop!

Why? Because there’s no damn money, that’s why. The US Government is unable to keep doing this crap forever.

It has to stop!

In fact S&P has clearly stated that if you pull the crap you intend the downgrade you claim you’re trying to avoid will come.

I know in advance it is going to suck when the deficit spending stops. I’ve been writing on it for more than four years and have been utterly consistent. There is no escape from the mathematical facts.

So, Mr. President, if you intend to demand this crap continue, you have the affirmative obligation to tell the American people exactly when and how this is going to stop because you are not a King, you’re a President and you are subservient to the people - not the other way around.

If you can’t or won’t then Congress has the absolute responsibility to say NO - period - and force a balanced budget right now, since you will have, by doing so, declared that you never intend to resolve the underlying problem.

It’s that simple.

Comment by butters
2011-07-26 09:31:06

I was listening to an Argentinean economist comparing US now versus Argentina a decade ago. The gist of it was we are Argentina now without of course, Maradona.

Comment by speedingpullet
2011-07-26 09:44:42

Wonder if Maradona’s “Hand of God” can help us now? :-)

Comment by butters
2011-07-26 10:35:17

Nah. Obama’s magic didn’t work. I think we are headed towards some witch-crafts from Palin or Bachman.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 09:52:43

ISTR that Argentina defaulted a decade ago.

And, since that time, its economy has been doing quite well. Things have gone a lot better for the average Argentine as compared to, well, the average American.

Comment by butters
2011-07-26 10:30:45

Yup. Like Argentina, a default will come with a short term pain for most Americans.

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Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 10:37:45

I know three Argentines guys who lived through that default as teenagers. They came to the US for a 6-month internship. I asked them about it.
One was poor. Their family lost the house.
One was middle class. I believe they bumbled along.
One was rich (his daddy bought him his own boat). He didn’t seem to understand the question. He shrugged and said “it was just a devaluation.”

I heard from the other two that the rich guy had trouble adjusting because he was so accustomed to his servants doing everthing.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 12:34:39

That’s pretty much how it played out in Mexico in the 80’s.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 12:36:02

“Things have gone a lot better for the average Argentine as compared to, well, the average American.”

I’ll wager that the standard of living is still much higher in the USA.

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Comment by Montana
2011-07-26 15:23:42

Isn’t that when the Argentine govt confiscated private pensions? I’m not crazy about that idea.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 12:39:01

“The gist of it was we are Argentina now without of course, Maradona.”

They have Lionel Messi now. He’s a better player than Maradona ever was. Many consider Messi to be the greatest player of all time, even better than Pele.

Comment by butters
2011-07-26 13:14:13

At club level may be.

For me it’s the WC. If you can’t prove in the World Cup, who cares? He still has plenty of time ……

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 14:48:26

So team Argentina sucks. Is that Messi’s fault?

Pretty much every poll out there places Messi as #1.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 14:51:47

And to be honest, the real action is at club level. Sure, national pride swells during the World Cup, but I believe Barcelona or Man U could easily beat most World Cup teams and would probably beat the top 4.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 14:54:32

Messi is so darn good that most teams need to have 2 players covering him.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 08:59:21

California Seeks $5B ’Bridge’ Loan to Pay Bills
(Bloomberg)

California will borrow $5 billion today through a temporary loan as U.S. states make plans to cope with any credit-market disruption should lawmakers fail to raise the federal debt ceiling by the Aug. 2 deadline.

Proceeds from California’s bridge loan will help pay bills until the state can sell cash-flow notes that had been scheduled for late August. New Mexico is asking agencies to complete requests for federal reimbursement by midday July 29 to ensure the it can get repaid, and Maryland was forced to cut $206 million off a planned bond sale as the debt talks dragged on.

“Given the uncertainty in Washington with the debt ceiling, the treasurer felt it was prudent to get a bridge loan,” said Tom Dresslar, a spokesman for California Treasurer Bill Lockyer. “We couldn’t have planned on the president and Congress taking us to the brink.”

States and local governments face higher borrowing costs if Congress fails to reach a compromise by the deadline. Because the U.S. borrows money through the sale of Treasury notes to pay its bills and refinance maturing debt, it could default if the limit isn’t increased. That might cost the government its top- ranked credit score, upend financial markets and send interest rates higher.

Moody’s Investors Service has said it may lower its top ratings on Maryland, South Carolina, New Mexico, Tennessee and Virginia because their dependence on federal revenue makes them vulnerable to a U.S. credit cut should talks to raise the debt limit fail.
Costing Taxpayers

Moody’s has also said another 7,000 top-rated municipal credits would have their ratings cut if the U.S. government loses its Aaa grade.

“It would ultimately cost taxpayers in Virginia more” if the state’s rating is cut, said Jeff Caldwell, a spokesman for Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 09:13:56

Moody’$ Investors“True$erialEnabler$™” $ervice has said it may lower its top ratings…

Foghorn Leghorn: “Uh say now,…eyes don’t gives a sheeeeeeeeeyat boy!” (but that’s just mize chickensheet-on-a-shingle opinion) ;-)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 09:11:19

$120.00 oil should have little to no effect on the great American consumer, since energy cost’s are a variable.

ITEM: Oil at $120 Becomes Biggest Energy Bet as Futures Leave Forecasters (Bloomberg)

The biggest bet in the oil market has become a 20 percent increase to $120 by the end of the year as global growth drives demand for raw materials.

The number of contracts held by traders in options to buy West Texas Intermediate crude at $120 a barrel in December totaled 45,502 lots on the New York Mercantile Exchange as of July 21, 4,226 lots more than the next-highest wager, which is for $125. Open interest in the two contracts jumped 29 percent in the past four weeks, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Traders anticipate this year’s gains will exceed forecasts of the most accurate strategists as economic expansion in emerging markets outweighs the debt crisis in Europe, slowing U.S. growth and efforts by Saudi Arabia and the International Energy Agency to curb prices. Bullish bets mark a turnaround from April, when $80 a barrel was the favorite wager and futures fell as much as 22 percent in the next two months.

“We’re in a sweet spot,” said Gordon Kwan, the Hong Kong- based head of regional energy research at Mirae Asset Securities Ltd. and the most accurate forecaster for New York oil among 26 analysts ranked by Bloomberg in the past eight quarters. “Oil prices are well supported,” he said in a July 20 interview. “It’s very profitable for the energy sector but not high enough to kill any economic growth.”

Comment by The_Overdog
2011-07-26 09:47:48

“It’s very profitable for the energy sector but not high enough to kill any economic growth.”

————
Possibly because there is no economic growth to be killed?

Comment by ragerunner
2011-07-26 12:58:40

I say that is more than high enough to drive this weak economy into another recession.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:00:56

Possibly because there is no economic growth to be killed?

BA DUMP BA!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 09:27:05

The Help-Wanted Sign Comes With a Frustrating Asterisk
- The New York Times

The unemployed need not apply.

That is the message being broadcast by many of the nation’s employers, making it even more difficult for 14 million jobless Americans to get back to work.

A recent review of job vacancy postings on popular sites like Monster.com, CareerBuilder and Craigslist revealed hundreds that said employers would consider (or at least “strongly prefer”) only people currently employed or just recently laid off.

Unemployed workers have long suspected that the gaping holes on their résumés left them less attractive to employers. But with the country in the worst jobs crisis since the Great Depression, many had hoped employers would be more forgiving.

“I feel like I am being shunned by our entire society,” said Kelly Wiedemer, 45, an information technology operations analyst who said a recruiter had told her that despite her skill set she would be a “hard sell” because she had been out of work for more than six months.

Legal experts say that the practice probably does not violate discrimination laws because unemployment is not a protected status, like age or race. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission recently held a hearing, though, on whether discriminating against the jobless might be illegal because it disproportionately hurts older people and blacks.

The practice is common enough that New Jersey recently passed a law outlawing job ads that bar unemployed workers from applying. New York and Michigan are considering the idea, and similar legislation has been introduced in Congress. The National Employment Law Project, a nonprofit organization that studies the labor market and helps the unemployed apply for benefits, has been reviewing the issue, and last week issued a report that has nudged more politicians to condemn these ads.

Given that the average duration of unemployment today is nine months — a record high — limiting a search to the “recently employed,” much less the currently employed, disqualifies millions.

Comment by butters
2011-07-26 09:49:07

Don’t tell them you are unemployed. Read something new in your areas and Improve your skills. In the interview, just tell them you are contracting for a Vandalay industries doing x. Just make something up, tell it’s a part time gig or whatever.

The employers will lie to you all the time. No reason for employees to not to do the same…..

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 10:35:01

Barbara Ehrenreich tried this (pretending to be a freelancer) and documented it in her book “Bait and Switch”.

She pretended to be a freelancer (I forget what field) trying to get a “real job”. The was in the 2004-2005 timeframe, when jobs were supposed to be “plentiful”.

After trying for months she was unable to land a job. The best offers she got were commission only “jobs” selling insurance.

Some of her comments from an interview with Amazon dot com:

“Amazon: At what point did you realize that your new book, Bait and Switch, in which you went undercover again, this time to tell a story of working in corporate America, was instead becoming one of not working in corporate America? Is that the story you expected to tell? ”

“Ehrenreich: My initial aim was not “to tell a story of working in corporate America” but to try to understand the human underside of corporate America–the job insecurity, the constant layoffs and downsizings that now occur even in the best of times. I expected to get a job and hence an inside view, but I always knew that that would be very difficult. After about 4-5 months of job searching, I began to get seriously discouraged, but I also came to understand that a fruitless search is in fact a very common experience. After all, today 44 percent of the long-term unemployed are white collar folks–an unusually high percentage. It’s their world I entered, and their story that I tell in Bait and Switch.”

“Amazon” For someone with a white-collar career, you didn’t have much experience in corporate culture before you attempted to join it for this book. What surprised you the most about what you found? ”

“Ehrenreich: What surprised me most, right from day one of my job search, was the surreal nature of the job searching business. For example, everyone, from corporations to career coaches, relies heavily on “personality tests” which have no scientific credibility or predictive value. One test revealed that I have a melancholy and envious nature and, for some reason, was unsuited to be a writer! And what does “personality” have to do with getting the job done, anyway? There’s far less emphasis on skills and experience than on whether you have the prescribed upbeat and likeable persona. I kept wondering: Is this any way to run a business? I was also surprised–and disgusted–by the constant victim-blaming you encounter among coaches, at networking events for the unemployed, and in the business advice books. You’re constantly told that whatever happens to you is the result of your attitude or even your “thought forms”–not a word about the corporate policies that lead to so much turmoil and misery.”

“Amazon: You seemed to make much closer ties with your fellow workers in Nickel and Dimed than you did on the white-collar job hunt. What was different this time?”

“Ehrenreich: You’re right–there is a difference. But it’s not so much a matter of personalities as it is about two different worlds. There’s a lot of camaraderie in the blue-collar world I entered in Nickel and Dimed. People help each other and look out for each other; they laugh together–often at the managers. The white-collar world doesn’t encourage camaraderie, far from it. There it’s all about competition and fear–of losing one’s job, for one thing. Other people are seen as sources of contacts or tips, at best; as competitors or rivals, at worst. And among the unemployed add shame and a sense of personal failure, the constant message that it’s all your own fault. All this discourages any solidarity with others or real openness.”

This last paragraph really resonates with me as it fits with the back stabbing environment that has become all too common in Corporate America.

Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 10:42:34

After all, today 44 percent of the long-term unemployed are white collar folks–an unusually high percentage.

Well, there goes nyc DJ’s theory that we aren’t getting jobs because we don’t speak English. :roll:

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 13:04:36

you’re cool OXide….. bash my theories……

But honestly we should be in one heck of a recovery right now, so why do employers hire the dumbest people they can find?

We should be having adults answer the phones, adults reading resumes, adults responding to emails and phone messages about the job and your skills…….but they are nowhere to be found.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-07-26 13:33:14

It is not a very good theory and you bang the same drum incessantly. I think that this rebuke was a long time coming.

I am sad for you that finding work has been tough. I don’t know what the solution(s) is, but I feel confident that blaming the non-English speakers amongst us, is not one of them and a classic “divide and conquer” tactic.

I think that at some point you need to assess the futility of your theory and the way that it (mis)shapes your world view and move on.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-07-26 13:45:18

“But honestly we should be in one heck of a recovery right now, [...]?”

Why would you possibly believe that, dj? Have we taught you nothing in all of these years?

This downturn is _different_ from previous downturns. It is not just a demand hiccup rippling through the economy; it is a major restructuring due to the malinvestment caused by the debt bubble, and it will not be resolved quickly.

No one who understood the nature of this beast ever thought we would be in “one heck of a recovery right now.”

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:08:27

“But honestly we should be in one heck of a recovery right now, so why do employers hire the dumbest people they can find?”

Because they are cheaper.

Was this a trick question?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 23:00:10

Prime that’s the point…..with so many smart people out of work you’d figure companies would poach, keep or hire really smart people to counteract the downturn…but they didn’t.

So you all are right it is different…dumb it down and drag it out while tens of millions suffer

I had 2 scenarios in mind 1st the dow will crash 50% again and china will bail out the US with a trillion bucks by buying mortgages and Ibm GE Microsoft, GM maybe buy Berkshire and get a railroad…

Or #2 they will blockade Taiwan and dare us to intervene, and cause the market to crash to a permanently new LOW plateau

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 12:05:49

“Ehrenreich: You’re right–there is a difference. But it’s not so much a matter of personalities as it is about two different worlds. There’s a lot of camaraderie in the blue-collar world I entered in Nickel and Dimed. People help each other and look out for each other; they laugh together–often at the managers. The white-collar world doesn’t encourage camaraderie, far from it. There it’s all about competition and fear–of losing one’s job, for one thing. Other people are seen as sources of contacts or tips, at best; as competitors or rivals, at worst. And among the unemployed add shame and a sense of personal failure, the constant message that it’s all your own fault. All this discourages any solidarity with others or real openness.”

I’m one of a few people who’s been privileged to work in both worlds. And yes, I’ve experienced the camaraderie and pride of workmanship that comes from blue collar jobs. I mourn the ends of those jobs — and the businesses that offered me those jobs — much more than I do my white collar jobs.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 09:54:13

This is EXACTLY why we must make being an “Intern” subject to EEOC and age discrimination rules…you need to keep a recent job in your field at the top of your resume….the prospective employer doesn’t have to know if its low or no pay.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:03:31

“I feel like I am being shunned by our entire society,” said Kelly Wiedemer

You ARE.

Don’t worry, Kelly, the Repubs will be back in office and then the benevolent and caring hand of capitalism will take care of you.

Are your affairs in order?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-26 09:52:55

So much for affordable housing programs designed to help minority families become homeowner households…

Wealth in America: Whites leave minorities behind
The housing crisis hit Hispanics and blacks much harder than it did whites
By Mike Brunker Projects Team editor

WASHINGTON — As Congress and the White House wrestle whether to raise taxes for the wealthiest Americans, a new analysis of Census data shows that the wealth gaps between whites and blacks and Hispanics widened dramatically during the recession.

The analysis by the Pew Research Center, released on Tuesday, found that from 2005 to 2009, inflation-adjusted median wealth fell 66 percent among Hispanic households and 53 percent among black households, compared with a 16 percent decline among white households.

Those declines increased the wealth gap between white and minority households to the largest since the census began collecting such data in 1984. The ratio of wealth for whites to blacks, for instance, is now roughly 20 to 1, compared to 12 to 1 in the first survey 25 years ago and 7 to 1 in 1995, when a booming economy lifted many low-income Americans into the middle class.

The wealth ratio for whites to Hispanics was 18 to 1 in 2009, also up from 7 to 1 in 1995, the Pew analysis found.

The declines from the recession left the median black household with $5,677 in wealth (assets minus debts, where assets include items like a car, a home, savings, retirement funds, etc.) and the typical Hispanic household with $6,325. White households, by comparison, had $113,149, the study found.

Sliced another way, the data from the Census Bureau’s Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP), showed that 35 percent of black households and 31 percent of Hispanic households had zero or negative net worth in 2009. The comparable rate for white households was 15 percent.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-26 17:11:11

It would be interesting to see these net worth figures broken out by net home equity and other wealth. I’m thinking HUD’s big push to turn all minority households into home owner households could have left a ginormous hole in the household balance sheet of many U.S. minority households.

And so far as I am aware, nobody in DC has ever mentioned a word about this unhappy policy outcome.

 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-07-26 10:02:45

401K question
OK some of us have a 401K with the typical investment options. Stocks or bonds. Cash, gold or real estate are not an option, neither is taking the 10% penalty and cashing out….at least not where I work.
So my question is, if the feces hits the rotary device, what will cause less damage to my portfolio, stocks or bonds?
If the government defaults baonds are not exactly the best place to be. On the other hand I am sure the stock market won’t find much to cheer either.
I tried to cash out, but that’s against rules and regulations where I work unless I quit my job…not an option.

Comment by The_Overdog
2011-07-26 10:06:42

If you think the stock market is going to crash, then move all your money into fixed income. You can probably do some kind of money market holding account. If not then bonds would be 2nd. Find some kind of high rated mix of corporate and government bonds. 3rd, if you have more than 10 years, just leave your money alone. Over time it will be fine.

Comment by butters
2011-07-26 10:11:58

I have mine mostly on money market funds. I have been hearing that many of the money market funds are heavily invested in Euro countries….

That scares me a bit. In April I switched job and I had the same thoughts about cashing out. And do what with the cash? I didn’t know as I don’t intend to buy a home next couple of yrs.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-07-26 10:41:16

Aren’t MM funds get wiped out in case of a bank run? Doesn’t even have to be the debt ceiling. I mean EURO-land can blow up any day. The entire system is hanging by a thread.
I am about 1/2 in stocks and 1/2 in bonds, don’t feel good about either but there’s no way to get my money out. Sucks!

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Comment by The_Overdog
2011-07-26 11:24:37

No.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-07-26 11:52:47

Let me restate: If you are concerned about a crash so severe that it causes bank runs and wipes out money market accounts, then moving some 401k dollars around is basically stacking deckchairs on the Titanic.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-07-26 13:37:58

Not to mention that when things got interesting a few years back, the Fed jumped in and guaranteed MM funds explicitly.

Presumably they would do the same thing again, to avoid a global liquidity run.

And they can create an unlimited amount of cash to do this guaranteeing with.

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-07-26 10:46:18

To be honest? “Sin” stocks like tobacco and alcohol and “need” commodities like oil (wait for the second crash), pork bellies, water, generic medications. Might want to throw in a few utilities too.

Comment by Max Power
2011-07-26 15:27:30

Good suggestions for an IRA, but those are rarely options in a 401k. I work for a very large company and we don’t even have a commodity fund. No precious metals, no specific industries or sectors. All options are equity funds based on market cap and/or geographic focus or bond funds. So I put most of my bucks in the stable value fund which is basically a MM.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 12:27:09

At the risk of getting flamed, I’m going to confess something:

One of my more successful small investments was in (wait for it) real estate. Yup, real estate.

It all started in the summer of 2001, when I was interested in moving out of the place I’d been renting. A cohousing community was forming nearby.

I started going to the meetings, and the place sounded quite appealing. Nothing like knowing your neighbors and all that.

Well, the meetings got to be a bit of a drag. There was even a meeting about all the meetings!

So, I left the $2,500 I’d put in as my member share and allowed the organizers to turn it into a share which I’d eventually get back. Plus interest.

The cohousing community didn’t break ground until early 2004. Apparently, there was an issue relating to sewer service at the property. That had to be rectified before construction could commence.

I didn’t hear the part about the sewer service from the organizers. Matter of fact, after they got the last of my money and I stopped going to the meetings, I heard nothing, zero, zip, nada.

My best source of information turned out to be the lady who cuts my hair. Her sister and brother in law actually moved into this community, and they lived there until BIL’s health got so bad that they decided to move back to Indiana.

The happy ending was that I did get that $2,500 back — plus the 8% interest that I was promised. That happened during the summer of 2005.

Lessons learned: If you’re going to invest, don’t bet any more money than you’re prepared to lose. And make sure that the managers of what you’re investing in communicate with you on a regular basis.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:12:47

Slim, there is not and never was, anything wrong with smart investing in RE.

Even today. It’s just that the current situation is separating the amateurs from the real pros at all levels.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-26 10:36:31

Mohamed El-Erian
Mohamed Mondays
Americans can ill-afford this debt ceiling debacle
Jul 25, 2011 10:45 EDT

Friday’s stunning and very public quarrel between the president and the Speaker of the House of Representatives was the catalyst for a weekend of frantic negotiations on how to increase America’s debt ceiling, maintain the country’s sacred AAA rating, and avoid a near-term default. Meanwhile, administration officials and members of Congress took to the airwaves on Sunday trying, but largely failing, to strike the balance between statesmanship and another round of the Washington blame game.

It was hoped that all this would serve as a prelude to a political compromise announced just before the opening of Asian markets. This did not materialize. But while another self-imposed deadline has been missed, it is likely that the nation’s leadership will stumble into a short-term compromise over the next few days — one that raises the debt ceiling and avoids a debt default but, importantly, leaves the AAA rating extremely vulnerable and does little to lift the damaging clouds hanging over the US economy.

It will come down to the wire; and when the stopgap compromise is reached, many in Washington will declare victory and, in the process, claim credit for averting a national disaster. Yet the resolution will likely be temporary, and the damage will be real and long-lasting — both of which render an already worrisome situation even more difficult going forward. Indeed, by illustrating so vividly to the whole world what is ailing America, the weekend’s political theatrics should make us all worry even more about the world’s largest economy.

First, consider the context. America’s already-fragile economic psyche and its global standing have taken a material hit. Forget about “animal spirits” for now. Instead, worry even more about an economy that is already having tremendous difficulty sustaining an acceptable growth momentum, and that already suffers from an unemployment crisis that is increasingly protracted in nature. Analysts will now scramble to again revise down their projections for growth, and up those for unemployment.

Second, remember the content. The debt and deficit issues that are at the root of the debt ceiling drama are, unfortunately, a small part of a much larger set of structural impediments to employment, investment and wealth creation. The housing sector is still languishing, credit intermediation is uneven, infrastructure investment is lagging, job skill mismatches are increasing, and income and wealth inequalities are worsening.

Third, lament the process. Virtually all Americans worry about these problems and too many feel them acutely on a daily basis. Astonishingly, however, our elected representatives and their appointees are just bickering and, distressingly, failing miserably to communicate a vision that provides for even the smallest amount of medium-term optimism. The endless political squabbles compel all to question whether politicians are aware of Main Street’s realities, let alone up to the task of making things better.

Finally, don’t forget the international angle. Anyone who travels will tell you that America’s friends and allies are bewildered at what is going on here (and its enemies rejoicing). This comes at a time when the country can ill-afford to lose the confidence of large foreign holders of US Treasury bonds, overseas manufacturers with factories here, those that use the dollar as the reserve currency, and the many who have outsourced to here the intermediation of their hard-earned savings and pensions.

Yes, after taking it to the edge, it is still highly probable that Washington will manage to step back from defaulting on the national debt. But no one will, or should, feel good about how this happens.

It is highly likely that the solution will be a band aid that has to be replaced in the coming months. In the meantime, America’s structural injuries will deepen and, to an extent that was unthinkable, America’s economic future will become even cloudier.

 
Comment by butters
2011-07-26 10:38:25

George Lopez - I will leave US if Palin wins…..

Probably the only one reason to root for Palin presidency.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 10:46:52

Even though I am half Mexican and speak Spanish, I don’t find him to be funny at all. Maybe he appeals to the Chicano demographic?

BTW Chicano != Mexican. Not by a long shot.

 
 
Comment by measton
2011-07-26 11:14:33

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — A federal judge has ruled that Whirlpool can change benefits for about 3,000 people who had retired from Maytag.

Whirlpool bought Maytag in 2006 and later closed the Maytag corporate headquarters and a factory in Newton.

Whirlpool had said it wanted to change the retirees’ medical benefits to bring them in line with current Whirlpool employees.

Des Moines television station WHO reports that Whirlpool is expected to drop prescription drug and other medical benefits for the retirees.

Local 997 retirees chairman Larry Shaver says the union is considering an appeal.

Whirlpool is based in Benton Harbor, Mich.

The sound of money going poof. ie they bought the company knowing the benefits that had been agreed to, but are now allowed to make cuts. Seems like a simple way to shed pension obligations sell company from right hand to the left and then claim that new ownership should have the right to slash contracted benefits.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 13:41:35

Yes and to make matter even WORSE….that plant in Newton was making a PROFIT….yup a Profit!

So they closed it down and moved it to mehiko.

Comment by CrackerJim
2011-07-26 18:20:37

Not to be argumentative but how exactly do you know the plant was profitable? BTW, I am a militant supporter of “Buy American” and I use my US earned dollars to express that feeling. I do feel however that sentiment must be expressed by and acted on by the American consumer; not mandated by the government. The American consumer generally does not give a crap about US Made, they only want the lowest price or the latest in yuppie approved “imported” items as we all know (from mainstream published propoganda) that the imports are so much better than crappy USA Made. Now it is becoming apparent the cheap (or socially correct foreign) items had a much higher price than first thought. But don’t worry the “rich” will pick up the slack; Obama says so.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-26 23:06:30

If I remember Union workers held a protest rally and stated it was profitable…

Here is a question for you….how much do they actually save per washing machine they will never give you an answer…$10 $20 $100 per machine?

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:17:13

Yep, it’s OK for corporations to break contracts, but not you or I.

Marie Antoinette didn’t get it either.

Well, EVENtually she did. :lol:

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 11:38:22

There is always a way around the rules…

Soros to close Quantum fund to outsiders
By Dan McCrum in New York - FT

George Soros, the billionaire hedge fund manager, is closing his Quantum fund to outside investors and returning their money.

The fund, which will continue to manage about $24.5bn of Mr Soros’ own money, blamed the decision on new financial regulations requiring it to register with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

“An unfortunate consequence of these new circumstances is that we will no longer be able to manage assets for anyone other than a family client as defined under the regulations”, Jonathan and Robert Soros, George’s sons and co-deputy chairmen of the fund, wrote in a letter to investors on Tuesday.

The fund is returning about $750m of capital to outside investors, according to a person familiar with the situation. Keith Anderson, chief investment officer since 2008, is also leaving the fund.

The move brings an end Mr Soros’ four-decade career as a hedge fund manager. A Hungarian emigré, he made more than $1bn in 1992 betting that the UK would be forced to devalue sterling and pull out of the European exchange rate mechanism.

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-07-26 13:26:16

The rules don’t apply to private citizens investing their own money. He’s not going around the rules, just choosing to not play by the new rules.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:18:33

Exactly.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 11:40:21

Obama to Banks: We’re Not Defaulting
| FOXBusiness

While officials from the Obama Administration raised their rhetoric over the weekend about the possibility of a debt default if the debt ceiling isn’t raised, they privately have been telling top executives at major U.S. banks that such an event won’t happen, FOX Business has learned.

In a series of phone calls, administration officials have told bankers that the administration will not allow a default to happen even if the debt cap isn’t raised by the August 2 date Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner says the government will run out of money to pay all its bills, including obligations to bond holders. Geithner made the rounds on the Sunday talk shows saying a default is imminent if the debt ceiling isn’t raised, and President Obama issued a similar warning during a Friday press conference after budget negotiations with House Republicans broke down.

While the negotiations to craft a budget remain at an impasse, Republicans and Democrats on Monday began crafting their own plans to cut spending that could lead to an agreement to raise the debt ceiling. It’s unclear if a broad agreement can be reached any time soon, but even if a deal is struck, a complicating issue for lawmakers and the administration is the possibility of a downgrade to the US debt rating, which would cut the triple-A rating on the nation’s debt to a lower level.

 
Comment by Rob in Canada
2011-07-26 11:41:36

Good luck to my American friends. The future does look grim but if you were Chinese or East Indian it has not looked so good in centuries. We in the west are going to have to get used to having very rich and very poor people in our countries, as they do in India where so many American jobs have gone to. One sad marker of American influence is that while American astronauts must now hitch a ride to the International Space Station with the Russians, the Chinese are about to launch their own Space Station into orbit. I remember watching the Apollo 11 landing on TV; a truly magnificent achievement.
For the USA to regain its footing I think it has to repatriate its manufacturing and jobs base and innovate at ANY cost. The debt ceiling is the immediate problem but the malaise is far deeper.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 12:31:42

That will be hard to do as long as Wall St owns the gov’t. All they care about are short term goals.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 13:19:48

Howdy northern neighbor! Now ’bout those lingering social prognostications…

but if you were Chinese or East Indian it has not looked so good in centuries

So, to be clear, 1.34 Billions + 1.05 Billions are on the Gaines burger gravy train rolling along with dog bi$cuit wheels? (Bill Murray line) In the meanwhile, 315 million Americans fight over a meatless bone? Is that what you’re saying?

One sad marker of American influence is that while American astronauts must now hitch a ride to the International Space Station with the Russians…

Yeah, well the US is paying for those Yugo taxi ride$, but you left out the address & de$tination and the Rendezvous Hotel cost$. Sometimes joint Co-operation has benefit$ unseen by “big hat” individual competition.

the Chinese are about to launch their own Space Station into orbit.

Hwy will be anxiously watching, chomping on a bag of Neil’s all Natural popcorn and placing a very cold micro-brewski down on a Snap-on tools coaster. ;-)

innovate at ANY cost

Is it prudent to expend dollar$, energy, time & resources, or,… “borrow” & copy and rapidly distribute?

Hwy’s 3rd big sister: “let’s be fair lil’ brother, you pull the Red Ryder wagon up the hill, then I’ll pull it down the hill, OK?”

Comment by Comment by Rob in Canada
2011-07-26 14:04:12

Hello Hwy50ina49Dodge.

“So, to be clear, 1.34 Billions + 1.05 Billions are on the Gaines burger gravy train rolling along with dog bi$cuit wheels? (Bill Murray line) In the meanwhile, 315 million Americans fight over a meatless bone? Is that what you’re saying?”

No. I am saying that by exporting jobs, manufacturing and the expertise that goes with them, the USA has unintentionally exported part of its economic base and wealth. This is happening throughout the Western world.
To read about the Chinese space station launch you could go to:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42977450/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/chinas-first-space-station-new-foothold-earth-orbit/

India landed a probe on the moon in 2008.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iJwhwx2HUwU8kW5KJMNl2UNfPmeQ

“Is it prudent to expend dollar$, energy, time & resources, or,… “borrow” & copy and rapidly distribute? ”

This is a question which will have to be answered.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 14:37:31

I am saying that by exporting jobs, manufacturing and the expertise that goes with them, the USA has unintentionally exported part of its economic base and wealth.

Oh, it wasn’t unintentional. It’s just that the American people had no say in the matter.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 15:02:20

the USA has unintentionally

Nix, nix, nix…it wasn’t “unintentional”, it was de$igned and implemented by a cult of “TrueSCOTU$Inc.Persons™”. In agreement with you in that it had the “morphed-beauty” of actually $ucceeding beyond their wilde$t “expectation$” :-)

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:21:22

“We in the west are going to have to get used to having very rich and very poor people in our countries…

You mean MORE, right? Because we’ve always had millions to begin with, in our country.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 11:43:08

Another turd flushed from the cesspool…

Rep. David Wu(D) announces he will resign after accusations of sexual misconduct ~ The Oregonian

The Democrat said in a statement that he would leave office after Congress resolves the debt ceiling crisis.

“With great sadness, I therefore intend to resign effective upon the resolution of the debt ceiling crisis. This is the right decision for my family, the institution of the House, and my colleagues.”

The Oregonian reported Friday that Wu had been accused of an unwanted sexual encounter with the 18-year-old daughter of a childhood friend. The incident occurred in Orange County last year.

Wu’s announcement came only minutes after Oregon’s two Democratic senators — Ron Wyden and Jeff Merkley — called on him to resign, saying the embattled lawmaker had lost his ability to effectively serve in the wake of accusations of improper sexual conduct that “are both jarring and exceptionally serious.”

“While he, like every American, deserves an opportunity to address those accusations and defend himself, our constituents in the first district of Oregon deserve a member in the House of Representatives whose main focus is fighting for their interests.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 12:10:56

What a boring sex scandal.

I mean, come on, Rep. Wu. Have some style. Get caught frolicking in the Tidal Basin like Wilbur Mills was with Fanne Fox.

Comment by butters
2011-07-26 13:20:05

No kidding.

Our politicians have sex scandals the way they govern.
Texting and flshing in the internet? And now this?

Come on, you are a congressman! You are powerful, you have access to vast amount of women. All I say is make me Jealous…….

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 13:46:23

Here in Tucson, there’s a comic strip called K.Rat. The star character is an acid-tongued kangaroo rat with a drinking problem.

During the uproar over the affair of Bill and Monica, there was a cartoon showing the rat in his favorite dive bar. He’s reading something, and the bartender asks what it is.

Rat: “The Starr Report. And I’m very disappointed.”

Bartender: “Why?”

Rat: “I thought I was voting for someone who really knew how to swing.”

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Comment by rms
2011-07-26 17:44:56

“What a boring sex scandal.”

Yeah…of legal age, but it appears he didn’t Wu her.

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-07-26 12:27:04

Flush ‘em all, regardless of party. I just wish we could get people to resign for ethical lapses that don’t involve sex.

 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-07-26 13:09:37

What an outrage! Another reason I’ll be voting the Mark Foley / Larry Craig “Family Values” ticket in 2012.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-07-26 13:22:04

heh….

Those who demonize others in the name of “family values” and later get caught violating this oath of purity should resign.

Has Mr. Wu taken this pathetic oath?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:23:59

I think I just hurt my self laughing, Ohio. :lol:

As for Wu, good bye and good riddance.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 11:50:06

Meet America’s New Most Expensive Home for Sale
by Morgan Brennan - Forbes

Even as so many Americans struggle under the weight of their underwater mortgage loans, in the high-rolling world of billionaire real estate, 2011 has been a year of record-breaking uber expensive properties. In March billionaire investor Yuri Milner plunked down $100 million for a Silicon Valley Estate, breaking previous purchase price records in the U.S. More recently, billionaire heiress Petra Ecclestone became the new owner of the Spelling Manor — an estate whose $150 million asking price had garnered it the title of America’s most expensive home for sale. Just days later, a new property is taking over that “most expensive” title: the $175 million Jackson Land & Cattle ranch.

Jackson Land & Cattle hit the sale block last week, listed with John C. Pierce of Hall & Hall, a ranch real estate firm. The property’s owner is Richard Fields, chief executive of Coastal Development, LLC, a gaming and resort development company. Fields’ $175 million compound encompasses more than 1,750 acres of rolling, green land just outside of Jackson Hole, Wyoming, in Teton County. The expansive ranch hosts cattle and horses. Aspen, evergreen and timber trees stud the hills interspersed with large hay meadows. There are three fishing ponds, a spring creek and over 800 acres of irrigated meadows. The Teton Range of the Rocky Mountains rise up in the distance.

The ranch’s biggest draw is certainly not the residence. The home itself is an old barn that’s been converted into a quaint three bedroom residence. There’s also a four bedroom guest house and two employee apartments. No, the real draw is the world-class 52-stall equestrian center.

The equestrian center started life as an English-style riding center. Fields had it retrofitted for cutting horse training, a Western style of riding in which a rider and his horse separate an animal out from a herd (think of the horseback maneuvers ranchers in western movies do). The center is designed by renowned western architect Jonathan Foote, perhaps most famous for his use of distressed woods, glass and Montana moss rock. Fields convinced the architect to come out of retirement and re-skin the center with rough-cut stone and barnwood. There’s an outdoor riding rink and an indoor one from which you can gaze out windows onto the mountains.

“You can fish and ride and hunt and you’re still only three minutes from downtown Jackson Hole,” says Jonathan Pierce, the property’s listing agent. And for billionaires — the prospective buyers of this pricey piece of nature — the locale comes with benefits. Most notably on taxes. Wyoming doesn’t have a state income tax or an estate tax; even property taxes are low. Jackson and its neighboring areas host a plethora of secondary homes since taxes also don’t have to be paid on out-of-state retirement income. In response, the area draws a substantial number of ultra wealthy residents like Walmart billionaire Christy Walton, the world’s richest woman. Indeed Teton County is one of America’s wealthiest counties per capita.

A notable factor contributing to Jackson Land & Cattle’s price is the fact that it carries entitlements for up to 35 homesites. In other words, if a buyer doesn’t want all that land for himself, he can subdivide and sell parcels of it. Even so there are hopes that the estate’s buyer won’t find it necessary to do that. “We are dealing with a very capable seller who is hoping for a conservation outcome on the property, although certainly not dictating that,” explains Pierce. “It’s a signature property that the entire community would love to see someone come along that shares Mr. Fields’ appreciation for the open space.”

Comment by The_Overdog
2011-07-26 12:02:29

$100k an acre in Wyoming? Yeah right, with the gem being a a 52 stall equestrian center worth maybe $2mm?? Double yeah right.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 12:30:09

It is near Jackson Hole. If it was near Laramie or Cheyenne, then it would be worth a lot less. Don’t know if it’s “worth” 100K an acre though, I guess it depends on just how “close” it really is to Jackson Hole.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-26 11:55:44

POLITICS
JULY 26, 2011, 2:40 P.M. ET

Big GOP Bloc in House Opposes Boehner’s Plan
By COREY BOLES And NAFTALI BENDAVID

The leader of a large group of House conservatives said Tuesday he was “confident” there weren’t enough GOP lawmakers to pass a plan by Republican House Speaker John Boehner to increase the debt ceiling and reduce the deficit.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R., Ohio), who said the Boehner plan didn’t cut spending enough, heads a group that includes 178 of the 240 Republican House lawmakers.

Mr. Jordan, the chairman of the Republican Study Committee, said there weren’t 218 House Republicans who would vote for the plan Mr. Boehner released Monday. Mr. Jordan’s announcement injects more uncertainty about the endgame of the debt-ceiling drama, as Congress remained deadlocked a week before the government runs out of cash to pay its bills.

In addition to Mr. Jordan, at least five other House Republicans announced their opposition: Reps. Louie Gohmert of Texas, Tom Graves of Georgia, Tim Huelskamp of Kansas, Connie Mack of Florida, and Steve Southerland, also of Florida. Without any Democratic support, Mr. Boehner can only afford to lose 22 votes for his plan to pass the House. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D., Md.) said “very few” Democratic representatives would back the Boehner plan, scheduled for a vote Wednesday.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 12:12:20

Circular firing squad forming now!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 13:58:45

Group formation instructions are printed on the back of their “TrueAnger™” / “TrueReducetheDeficitNow! Today!™” cult “signing” pledge$ ;-)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:27:53

Got that right Slim!

Back in the day, it was the end of Gingrich’s political career when the Dems called is bluff and let government shut down.

Funny that. The neocons “get religion!” for less government, but end up caving when the gov really does shut down.

Hmmm. What’s up with that?

Comment by Neuromance
2011-07-26 18:48:24

If your principles go out the window in a crisis, they must not have been very good principles.

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Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 12:09:45

Wonder what happens in Cuba after the Castro brothers kick the bucket?

Cubans Still Suffer, But Media Looks Away
By Mike Gonzalez| FoxNews.com

Last week, just outside Cuba’s holiest Catholic shrine, government thugs attacked in plain daylight a group of opposition women — beating them, stoning them and stripping them naked to the waist. The women, mostly black and middle-aged, suffered this public humiliation because they were trying to find a dignified way to bring attention to the plight of their husbands, who are in prison for freely speaking their minds.

The archbishop of Santiago de Cuba has condemned the attack. You can find an eyewitness account in Spanish here:

It should make for poignant watching today, the anniversary of the start of the Cuban Revolution.

Unfortunately, there’s nothing unusual in this grotesque attack on the Damas de Blanco (or Ladies in White, the harassed association of wives of political prisoners) on the street outside the shrine of Our Lady of La Caridad del Cobre. It’s routine for Cubans to be publicly degraded, brutalized and imprisoned when they dare speak their minds. Their daily existence has been one of fear and wretched suffering for 50 years now.

Yet the chances are that you probably haven’t heard about this story. A quick Google search of the attacks on the Damas de Blanco turned up only about five hits, none from a major publication. Why?

Not because it’s a dog-bites-man story (literally, in this case), as some journalists might have you believe. No, it’s simply because the media don’t report the daily attacks on the Cuban dissidents.

All the major international news wires, and at least two TV networks, have bureaus in Cuba. But they’re either so afraid of being expelled, or have so bought into the regime’s propaganda, that all they report is how Raul Castro is bringing economic reforms to Cuba.

So little is the story of Cuba’s oppression known outside that island prison that, were the constant repression reported occasionally, it might actually cause a stir.

Clearly, Raul—Fidel’s brother, who was handed the day-to-day reins of the island when his elder brother fell ill a couple of years back—has no intention of doing anything that will threaten communism’s firm grip on Cuba. Otherwise, his goons would feel no need to terrorize and drag a bunch of older women naked through the streets.

What this dearth of news on the Gulag Next Door has produced is a strange double standard, where similar repression in far-away Burma, Zimbabwe or Libya — also by leftist regimes — gets far better coverage. Such is the ignorance of events in Cuba that MSNBC host Chris Matthews two years ago asked this question in an interview:

“Congressman Burton, why do you think Cubans on the island still support the Castro brothers? What is it that allows that lock on those people to continue?”

Well, Chris, here’s your answer to what happens to Cubans when they try to pick that lock. Leaving Cuba is illegal, so you either stay silent, brave shark-infested waters on inner tubes (it is illegal to own boats in Cuba, for reasons that should be apparent), or risk suffering the fate of the Damas de Blanco.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 14:35:00

So are we supposed to be the world’s cop? Yeah, there’s a dictatorship on Cuba. There’s a whole bunch of dictatorships around the world. Why are we supposed to do something about that?

 
Comment by AV0CAD0
2011-07-26 22:41:32

Beautiful country, i wish the USA would buy it, before Canada does!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-26 12:09:49

The body language in the photo which accompanies this article can be summarized in one word: DIVORCE.

US debt crisis talks reach an impasse
IMF chief warns of serious consequences for world economy as Obama and Republicans fail to agree on approach

Ewen MacAskill in Washington and Dominic Rushe in New York
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 26 July 2011 19.44 BST

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 13:49:12

The body language in the photo which accompanies this article can be summarized in one word: DIVORCE.

Yeah, I think that Obama’s really regretting ever becoming friendly with that guy. It even got to the point of golf dates.

And to think it all started when Barack mispronounced John’s last name. He used the “oh” sound instead of the “eh” sound.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 14:43:55

And to think it all started when Barack mispronounced John’s last name. He used the “oh” sound instead of the “eh” sound.

That was a big boner.

 
 
Comment by rms
2011-07-26 17:32:15

“The body language in the photo which accompanies this article can be summarized in one word: DIVORCE.”

Caption: “Obama - watch me top this cracker!”

 
 
Comment by rms
2011-07-26 12:15:59

A guy in line at the grocery store was holding a huge box of frozen hamburger patties. The checker said that lots of people didn’t like that brand, cheapest meat, smallish patties, previous recalls, etc., while the other brand was just a little more and tasted way better. Oh, these are for my dog…see, food stamps won’t pay for dog food.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 13:53:24

latest on 2 point font size grinder meat labels: ;-)

Product Ingreedient$ from: USA / Mexico / Australia / Brazil / Korea / Vietnam.

Comment by rms
2011-07-26 17:17:51

Sounds like dog eat dog, ‘eh?

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 14:28:32

So he’s a cheater and has other unreported sources of income. I guess we should let truly needy children go hungry so that we can teach joe cheater a lesson!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 13:24:39

Democrats Oppose Obama-U.N. Gun Control Treaty
By Paul Bedard - U.S.News

Twelve Democratic senators have joined 45 Republicans in a fast growing movement to halt progress on an Obama-backed United Nations effort that could bring international gun control into the United States and slap America’s gun owners with severe restrictions.

Montana Democratic Sen. Jon Tester’s office today provided Whispers with their letter, signed by 11 other Democrats, urging the president to press for significant changes in the treaty. Their major concern: that domestic manufacture, possession, and sales of firearms and ammo will be included, thereby giving an international authority the right to regulate arms sales already protected by the Second Amendment. They also said any move for an international gun registry would be a non-starter.

A Republican letter circulated by Kansas Republican Sen. Jerry Moran has 45 signatures.

Ratification requires two-thirds of the Senate. So far 57 senators have said they would vote against the treaty, expected to be wrapped up next year.

In his letter, Moran wrote, “Our country’s sovereignty and the Second Amendment rights of American citizens must not be infringed upon by the United Nations,” Moran wrote in the letter. “Today, the Senate sends a powerful message to the Obama Administration: an Arms Trade Treaty that does not protect ownership of civilian firearms will fail in the Senate. Our firearm freedoms are not negotiable.”

The emergence of strong Democratic resistance comes as the president is trying to deal with fallout from liberal Democrats upset that he has opened the door to major changes in Social Security and Medicare as part of the debt ceiling crisis.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 13:52:30

Some inconvenient truths intrude:

The rate of gun ownership in America has been falling for decades. As late as the 1970s, slightly more than half of all American households had a gun. Now it’s down to about a third.

As for gun sales, say what you will about people rushing out to buy guns for protection. Fact is, most guns are sold to people who already own at least one.

So much for all the fear-mongering.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:33:24

Yet Obama has passed more pro gun legislation than any president in the last 30 years. (allowing guns in national parks)

More things that make me go, “hmmmm,” bullcrap!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:40:56

WARNING! U.N. CONSPIRACY ALERT! TIN FOIL HAT RULES NOW IN EFFECT!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-26 13:39:00

Debt ceiling poll: Voters with Obama
The president is pictured smiling. | AP Photo
The majority of the poll’s respondents most closely aligned with the president’s position. | AP Photo Close
By JENNIFER EPSTEIN | 7/26/11 3:26 PM EDT

Most Americans would like to see a mix of spending cuts and tax increases be part of a deal to raise the debt ceiling, a new poll finds, aligning the majority with President Barack Obama’s position.

Of those surveyed for a Reuters/Ipsos poll released Tuesday, 56 percent said they want to see a mix of approaches used in an agreement to raise the debt ceiling. The poll was conducted overnight Monday, as Obama and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) voiced their views on the impasse in negotiations in back-to-back televised primetime speeches.

“It does seem to be that the popular narrative is falling on the side of the president on this one,” Ipsos pollster Julia Clark said.

Just 19 percent of Americans said they favor a plan like Boehner’s, which would rely solely on spending cuts to existing programs to reduce the deficit. Twelve percent said they would prefer a plan to reduce the deficit only by raising taxes.

Americans’ blame for the impasse is spread all around, though is particularly strong against congressional Republicans, with 31 percent of those surveyed saying they are responsible for it. Twenty-one percent blamed Obama and nine percent blamed congressional Democrats.

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 13:59:53

A 21 year old used car salesman has seen the light…

ITEM: More Americans unhappy with Obama on economy, jobs
By Ylan Q. Mui and Jon Cohen

More than a third of Americans now believe that President Obama’s policies are hurting the economy, and confidence in his ability to create jobs is sharply eroding among his base, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

But Americans’ discontent does not stop there. The survey also found that Americans harbor negative feelings toward congressional Republicans. Roughly as many people blame Republican policies for the poor economy as they do Obama. But 65 percent disapprove of the GOP’s handling of jobs, compared to 52 percent for the president.

The dissatisfaction is fueled by the fact that many Americans continue to see little relief from the pain of a recession that technically ended two years ago. Ninety percent of those surveyed said the economy is not doing well, and four out of five report that jobs are difficult to find. In interviews, several people said that they feel abandoned by both parties, particularly as debates over the debt ceiling gridlock Washington.

“What I’ve realized is it doesn’t matter if you’re Republican or Democrat anymore,” said Joey Wakim, 21, a used car salesman from Allentown, Pa. “We just want somebody who’s gonna get things right.”

The Post-ABC survey found that a majority of Americans still blame former president George W. Bush for the state of the economy. But it also found that Americans who identified most closely with the burgeoning tea party movement are more likely to have experienced lifestyle changes because of the downturn.

Rose Bear, 52, said her husband travels 800 miles round trip to work in North Dakota because there are not enough jobs near their home in Laurel, Mont. Bear said she supports the tea party in part because of its focus on taxes and employment.

“If you keep throwing up the taxes and busting the guy who’s employing you, people are gonna lose jobs,” she said. “They’re addressing the issue of the joblessness.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 14:24:24

The Post-ABC survey found that a majority of Americans still blame former president George W. Bush for the state of the economy. But it also found that Americans who identified most closely with the burgeoning tea party movement are more likely to have experienced lifestyle changes because of the downturn.

A point that Will Bunch also made in his book, The Backlash.

He interviewed more than a few people who were downsized or were forced into early retirement because they were over 50 and couldn’t find jobs. Or they took retirement from some sort of public service job or the military, then tried to find something in the private sector — and they couldn’t.

According to Bunch, the thing that lies beneath a lot of the Tea Party anger is involuntary idleness.

Comment by rms
2011-07-26 17:14:58

“The Post-ABC survey found that a majority of Americans still blame former president George W. Bush for the state of the economy.”

Indeed. I’m surprised that a majority of Americans can remember that far back.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 14:25:25

Rose Bear, 52, said her husband travels 800 miles round trip to work in North Dakota because there are not enough jobs near their home in Laurel, Mont. Bear said she supports the tea party in part because of its focus on taxes and employment.

“If you keep throwing up the taxes and busting the guy who’s employing you, people are gonna lose jobs,” she said. “They’re addressing the issue of the joblessness.”

Yeah, it has nothing to do with offshoring jobs to where labor is so cheap that even if employers didn’t have to pay any taxes they would still offshore the jobs.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:52:09

I wonder how she’ll act when she hears about the tax breaks given to companies FOR offshoring her job?

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-07-26 14:51:52

“What I’ve realized is it doesn’t matter if you’re Republican or Democrat anymore,” said Joey Wakim, 21, a used car salesman from Allentown, Pa. “We just want somebody who’s gonna get things right.”

Yep wmbz, he’s seen thee light, that brite-judgemental-“TruePurity™ / TrueHypocrite™” blinding right light!

American women + terminated pregnancies = prosecute ‘em as murderers!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:50:26

But 2/3rds don’t.

End of story.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:54:01

wmbz, link, reference, news service, actual headline?

Something?

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-07-26 15:13:33

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — Alabama’s largest county is laying the groundwork for filing what would be the largest municipal bankruptcy in U.S. history, over a more than $3 billion debt for its sewer system. The Jefferson County Commission approved resolutions Tuesday to hire prominent bankruptcy lawyers and to sell bonds later in case money is needed to emerge from bankruptcy.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:56:50

Hmmm. I wonder how they’re feeling about turning down the high speed rail money?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-26 15:17:02

US house prices fall 4.5% in year to May
By Shannon Bond in New York
Published: July 26 2011 15:10 | Last updated: July 26 2011 17:01

House prices fell in 19 of the 20 biggest US cities in May and new home sales declined for a second month, adding to evidence that the property market is still struggling following the housing bust.

Consumer confidence edged higher in July, however, as the outlook for the jobs market over the next six months improved.

Prices of single-family homes dropped 4.5 per cent from May 2010, following a revised 4.2 per cent decline in April, according to the S&P Case-Shiller home price index. The fall was in line with expectations of economists surveyed by Bloomberg.

House prices have remained depressed amid a glut of distressed properties for sale and downbeat sentiment among homebuilders and buyers.

Over the month, prices were flat on a seasonally adjusted basis – as expected – after rising 0.4 per cent in April. On an unadjusted basis, prices rose 1 per cent from April to May, a reflection of the traditionally stronger spring buying season.

“This is a seasonal period of stronger demand for houses, so monthly price increases are to be expected,” said David Blitzer, chairman of Standard & Poor’s index committee. “The concern is that much of the monthly gains are only seasonal.”

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-26 16:34:26

Oh, shhhh…

…it. Arizona’s in deep number two again. From today’s fishwrap:


‘Underwater’ loans: Arizona is No. 2

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 17:58:20

Wow. Holy moly.

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-07-26 17:25:35

Above, I mentioned that Social Security is projected to begin running huge deficits over the next 10 years. I was challenged to provide numbers.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy12/xls/BUDGET-2012-PER-1-5-1.xls

Line 830 of that spread sheet.

Total manditory SS spending 2010 was expected to be 701B. For 2011, 730B. By 2021, 1,085B.

Why are SS payments expected to skyrocket? People already retired were born at 3 million a year in the 20s and 2.5 million a year in the 30s. People about to retire were born at a rate of 3.5-4.5 million a year in the Baby Boom. 10 years from now we can expect 50% more people collected SS than are now. 15 years from now, almost double the number of people collecting. SS trust fund is expected to be completely drained in less than 20 years.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-07-26 18:04:04

Gen X & Y outnumber boomers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Y

“By the year 2010, Millennials, born between 1982 and 2000, will outnumber both Baby Boomers and Gen-Xers…”

Number 35 in the references at the bottom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Y#References

Did they get a SS deduction exemption I didn’t hear about?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-07-26 21:44:49

You forget that obese Americans will kick the bucket prematurely, saving SS untold billions.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-26 21:01:02

After Aiding Republicans, Business Groups Press Them on Debt Ceiling
By BINYAMIN APPELBAUM
Published: July 26, 2011

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which spent millions of dollars last year helping elect Republicans to Congressional seats, is struggling to convince the House it helped to build that the debt ceiling must be increased.

The chamber and other business groups have pressed with increasing urgency for Congress to raise the maximum amount that the government can borrow. They have cataloged the consequences of default at meetings, parties and dinners and over drinks.

On Tuesday, the chamber threw its weight behind the proposal of the House speaker, John A. Boehner, telling recalcitrant Republicans that a pending vote on the plan was a with-us-or-against-us moment that would be remembered during the next election campaign.

But as the government runs out of money, those efforts have not produced the desired result. The freshman class of House Republicans, along with longer-serving members, is balking at Mr. Boehner’s plan, let alone anything that Senate Democrats and the White House might be willing to accept.

The tension highlights the distance between the pro-business stalwarts of the traditional Republican Party and the populism of its newer representatives, many of whom seem to view Wall Street and Washington with equal suspicion.

“I think they’re very pleased with the antigovernment inclinations of the Tea Party Republicans when it comes to taxes and regulation,” said David Axelrod, one of the president’s chief political advisers. “But now we have a situation where the integrity of the economy and the U.S. financial system is at stake, and they’re being hoisted on their own petards.”

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-07-26 22:05:50

Now that’s funny.

 
 
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