July 29, 2011

A Waiting Game That All Comes Down To Money

It’s desk clearing time for this blogger. “From the Miami River to Midtown, downtown Miami condos are hot commodities among international buyers, brokers say, not least because renters are lining up to lease them. In new condo buildings, many of which still have developer units on offer, ’sales are very good,’ said Jeff Morr, founder and CEO of Majestic Properties. He said HSBC Bank recently took back 532 units at Midtown Miami. ‘They haven’t discussed what they are doing with them,’ Mr. Morr said, ‘but they are occupied by renters, and I imagine they will come to market in two or three years at about $300 a foot and will sell immediately.’”

“While prices are rising in some buildings, he said, they’re still only about half of preconstruction prices, ’so the values are tremendous. Besides South American buyers, we’re also seeing a lot of Europeans. Miami real estate is becoming a commodity like gold and stocks.’”

“While nobody knows how much distressed inventory banks may be holding, Realtors aren’t worried that they will dump large numbers of units on the market at one time. ‘It’s not to their benefit to flood the market, because that would drive prices down,’ said Carlos Villanueva, district sales manager for The Keyes Co.”

“The area has sprung to life thanks to ‘hip restaurants, great restaurants and clubs,’ said Rita Regev, broker associate at Optimar International Realty. Some developers are once again offering incentives to Realtors, she said, as they did pre-recession, she said, ‘and they’re starting to stage elaborate broker parties again.’ The shadow inventory of bank-held units ‘is all conjecture,’ said Regev. ‘The only reality is right now.’”

“The Petrinos are ready to move. There’s just one problem: Their house is still for sale. As many other homeowners in the St. Cloud area have experienced, selling a house is a waiting game that all comes down to money. ‘It’s not going as well as we hoped,’ Petrino said. She and her husband are moving to Montana. ‘It’s frustrating that it hasn’t sold yet.’”

“Before leaving for Montana, they cut the price of their home a second time, lowering the price $10,000 less than what they bought it for two years ago. Petrino said she hopes they won’t have to drop the price of her house again before it sells. ‘I don’t know if we’d go much lower,’ she said. ‘Fingers crossed, I guess.’”

“St. Cloud homeowner Doris Anderson said she doesn’t like the idea of selling her house for less than she bought it for a few years ago. So far, she and her husband have dropped the price 2.5 percent, but their house has been on the market for a year. ‘I’m not giving my house away,’ Anderson said.”

“Overall, said Minnesota Association of Realtors President Russ Portele, St. Cloud is fairly representative of trends across the state and country. ‘We’ll probably never get back to the ’04 and ’05 level of sales because that was a bubble,’ Portele said. ‘This is the market today. This is the real market.’”

“Andy Wiederhorn, the controversial executive whose mercurial business career made him a multimillionaire and landed him in prison, has put his sprawling West Hills mansion on the market. The 2008 recession brought a bitter new reality. Wiederhorn nearly lost the home to foreclosure in 2010 after defaulting on one of the multiple mortgages.”

“Wiederhorn figures he will take a beating on the sale. He’s asking $5.7 million for the property, barely half what he’s invested in the place. ‘The market really is that bad,’ Wiederhorn said. ‘It’s about half what it once was at the high-end.’”

“Mediation has been touted as a key strategy to stop foreclosures. But if Maryland is any indication, the programs are not working. As of May 31, just 56 homeowners have gotten a modification of their loan. Louis Boney lives in a small, white frame house on a quiet, grassy street in Clinton, Md. When his home fell into foreclosure, he thought the mediation process might help. But he hit unexpected pitfalls.”

“‘For me, the mediation process, I think, was a gimmick,’ Boney said. ‘In my opinion, they came there just to go through the formalities. They just want to foreclose.’”

“California cities and regions held seven of the nation’s top 10 slots for foreclosure activity in the first half of 2011, according to RealtyTrac. Norman Cox, a regional manager/broker with Coldwell Bank Town & Country in Covina, figures foreclosures will be around for a while. ‘We’ll continue to see them because there are more properties that have yet to be foreclosed and there is no one to buy them,’ he said. ‘People have to have jobs to support a mortgage. I think we’ll see a larger number of units sold, but at lower prices.’”

“One of the most unusually unique property auctions is coming to Port Townsend this Friday: A million dollar property available for $300,000. ‘We are selling it at the request of the lender but the borrower still owns it, and by doing that we are able to save the lender from taking it back from the borrower,’ said Paul Thomas of Northwest Auctions, who is also president of the Washington Auctioneer’s Association. ‘It reduces the size of their haircut by 18 percent, but they are still going to take a haircut.’ The borrower, meanwhile, gets to walk away from the project ‘done and finished and exhausted,’ but avoiding a protracted foreclosure case.”

“Thomas got into the real estate auction business about six years ago. The marketplace has turned entirely, he said, because now there are so few bidders for the prices some owners still want. ‘These days were are turning down probably 19 out of 20 auction candidates because sellers can’t afford to sell at the auction prices. If the seller is not realistic and not willing to accept a low reserve, it makes no sense going ahead with a sale,’ Thomas noted.”

“Foreclosures have tainted the marketplace, and Thomas does not see any end in sight. ‘We’re seeing a lot of banks basically dumping houses onto the market and getting very, very steep discounts and that affects everyone,’ Thomas said. ‘It is a downward spiral with no end because the more banks foreclose and sell property below market value, the lower everyone’s values are and the more foreclosures happen because more people are under water.’”

“There was a time when putting 20 percent down on a house was the accepted norm for most buyers. A proposal to move back toward that standard in the wake of the housing meltdown, however, has produced an odd-bedfellow coalition of Democrats and Republicans, consumer advocates and bankers who fear that would leave homebuyers unable to afford loans and sellers unable to find buyers. ‘It will put the final nail in the housing market,’ predicted U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga.”

“Others, however, note that 10 to 20 percent down payments and conservative debt-to-income ratios once were widely accepted, and the housing market grew. ‘If we had kept 20 or even 10 percent down as a standard, I don’t think any of this would have happened in the market,’ said Jim Grissett, adjunct real estate professor at Emory University.”

“He admits to being a little old school — expecting as earlier generations did that people who buy a house should save for it, and that banks should retain some of the risk on loans they write. He also noted that falling home prices mean a 20 percent down payment is not as much as it was at the height of the boom. ‘If you can’t come up with that, maybe you shouldn’t be buying to begin with,’ he said.”

“Australian house prices have moved from being affordable to severely unaffordable in the past 10 years - and Sydney is still the least affordable capital city, a new study shows. The study found median house prices in Australia grew 147 per cent between 2001 and 2011 to $417,000, while median after-tax incomes only increased 50 per cent to $57,000.”

“This pushed the price-to-income ratio - the number of years’ worth of income needed to buy a typical dwelling outright - from an affordable 4.7 to a severely unaffordable 7.3. The report considers a dwelling just affordable if it costs no more than five times household income. A typical Sydney home with a price of $510,000 costs about 8.4 times the average annual household income. Even though Sydney experienced the least growth in housing prices through the past decade - a mere 83 per cent compared with 222 per cent in Perth - it is still suffering the effects of the late 1990s boom, the report shows.”

“Mr Phillips said it was no longer just capital cities that faced affordability issues with regional house prices in the Northern Territory, Tasmania, Victoria and NSW outstripping growth in the capital cities. He said home owners had experienced 10 years of increased housing value. ‘They’re sitting pretty. Those renting, or who have recently purchased, face very steep prices. It’s a story of the haves and the have-nots,’ he said.”

“More than 460,000 Arizona units were vacant in 2010, a 61 percent increase over the previous decade, according to the latest data from the U.S. Census Bureau. The vacancy rate — 16.3 percent of all housing in the state — comes after a decade that saw a recession, major job losses and home foreclosures. But the magnitude of the vacancies still caught some experts by surprise.”

“‘That’s staggering,’ said Paul Hickman, president and CEO of the Arizona Bankers Association. ‘It’s stark verification that we cannot emerge from this economic crisis until we move through this inventory.’”

“Maricopa County alone accounted for 49 percent of the vacancies in the state in 2010, according to the Census. Hickman said it’s largely because of ‘the one-dimensional’ housing economy that has dominated the state for the past decade. ‘This recession has hurt us more than the Great Depression,’ he said. ‘Our economy was young back then. We were just barely a state. But being centered on housing really hurt us.’”




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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-29 07:28:02

“‘They haven’t discussed what they are doing with them,’ Mr. Morr said, ‘but they are occupied by renters, and I imagine they will come to market in two or three years at about $300 a foot and will sell immediately.’”

Mr. Morr has an active imagination.

Comment by GH
2011-07-29 08:48:58

The Imaginarium of Mr. Morr…

It seriously makes one wonder what these people think will be so much better in two to three years?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-29 07:29:50

“While nobody knows how much distressed inventory banks may be holding, Realtors aren’t worried that they will dump large numbers of units on the market at one time. ‘It’s not to their benefit to flood the market, because that would drive prices down,’ said Carlos Villanueva, district sales manager for The Keyes Co.”

We see comments like this one all the time in the MSM. Who is the monopolist behind the curtain who keeps distressed inventory off the market, and is illegal collusion involved?

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-29 10:53:03

I would assume the Realtor’s interpretation is incorrect. The simplist explanation is that banks cannot afford to take the writedowns all at once. Phoney accounting being what it is.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-29 07:37:51

“California cities and regions held seven of the nation’s top 10 slots for foreclosure activity in the first half of 2011, according to RealtyTrac. Norman Cox, a regional manager/broker with Coldwell Bank Town & Country in Covina, figures foreclosures will be around for a while. ‘We’ll continue to see them because there are more properties that have yet to be foreclosed and there is no one to buy them,’ he said. ‘People have to have jobs to support a mortgage. I think we’ll see a larger number of units sold, but at lower prices.’”

I am certainly seeing a high level of foreclosure activity in the San Diego Suburban Classifieds legal section.

In the dead tree edition of the local Pomerado News Group Paper, the Rancho Bernardo & 4S Ranch News Journal (of which the above link is representative), there are 14 Notices of Default this week for Poway (zip code 92064), generally with auction dates scheduled for early August. 14 may not seem like many, but this is a weekly paper, and all the NODs are for one zip code; an annual rate of 14 X 52 = 728 NODs for one zip code seems pretty high to me.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-29 07:42:30

“Wiederhorn figures he will take a beating on the sale. He’s asking $5.7 million for the property, barely half what he’s invested in the place.”

What is worse for a real estate investor’s career: Taking a beating on a sale, or landing in prison?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-29 07:44:33

“‘This recession has hurt us more than the Great Depression,’ he said. ‘Our economy was young back then. We were just barely a state. But being centered on housing really hurt us.’”

A light bulb goes on in someones mind!

Comment by scdave
2011-07-29 07:48:57

We were just barely a state. But being centered on housing really hurt us ??

Ben has been saying this for a number of years…

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-29 07:49:47

Our local alt-weekly just did an article on the downsides of our real estate-based economy. Viewed from the Tucson lens, it hasn’t been a good thing.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-30 14:27:13

Slim:

Here is what I don’t get. 100 qualified applicants…..maybe for those 7 jobs, but honestly most places are lucky to get 5 out of a couple hundreds that might apply. Yet even with so few qualified that 5 still can’t get an interview

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Some time ago, Phyllis applied for a $27,000-per-year job with the city court. One hundred qualified applications were received for seven positions, she says, and 36 were eventually interviewed. Although Phyllis was on that list, she wasn’t offered a job.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2011-07-30 12:27:06

Amazing article. Chock full of things for every HBBer: Over 460,000 empty houses in Arizona. 16% of all houses in the state. Vacant. The house in the picture in the link is asking for a bulldozer. Dontcha think? Either that or to be used as a meth lab.

Hmm…Tucson Sentinel. Never heard of it. The logo at the top says “independent” news. I wonder if that means it is different politics of the AZ Red Star?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-29 07:46:44

“The study found median house prices in Australia grew 147 per cent between 2001 and 2011 to $417,000, while median after-tax incomes only increased 50 per cent to $57,000.”

Australia has turned into San Diego.

Comment by GH
2011-07-29 08:53:18

Does anyone have any idea what has made this possible in Australia and Canada?

Is this just riding on natural resources and commodities such as gold and oil?

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-07-29 10:56:50

Extremeties of the global mania? Every place had its special excuse, but all were manic. There is no logical explanation for a mania.

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2011-07-29 11:18:57

Perth is a lot like San Diego, but with a remote location. It feels like you’re thousands of miles from anything, because you are. I can see that isolation breeding an “it’s different here” mentality regarding real estate. I stood on the beach at Cottesloe and looked over the Indian Ocean and it seemed like I was standing on the edge of the world.

My opinion always has been that, when the Chinese construction bubble bursts, Australia is going to have the worst depression in its history.

 
Comment by barnaby33
2011-07-29 14:13:14

I was kinda hoping we’d become a bit more like Oz. Sydney in particular is a lovely city.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-07-29 07:48:26

“The area has sprung to life thanks to ‘hip restaurants, great restaurants and clubs,’ said Rita Regev, broker associate at Optimar International Realty. Some developers are once again offering incentives to Realtors, she said, as they did pre-recession, she said, ‘and they’re starting to stage elaborate broker parties again.’ The shadow inventory of bank-held units ‘is all conjecture,’ said Regev. ‘The only reality is right now.’”

Oh, brother. We have an entertainment district here in Tucson. It’s called Downtown.

And guess what’s moving Downtown? Rental properties, that’s what. You have an apartment or an SFR to rent? You’ll probably find someone to fill it before too long.

As for buyers? Good luck with that one.

I would attribute at least some of the buyer reluctance to the entertainment district. It can be a pretty noisy place, especially on weekends. Not the sort of thing that homebuyers, who tend to be older than the nightclubbing University of Arizona students and twentysomethings who’ve just graduated, want to live next to.

And, getting back to the nightclubbers, very few of them stay in Tucson past their twenties. They have this funny habit of finding better jobs in other cities. So much for trying to sell living space to them — they’d rather rent.

Comment by SFC
2011-07-29 10:13:49

The Miami river area is hip? I think he meant to say, “if you go there, make sure you’re carrying a loaded weapon on each hip”.

 
Comment by DennisN
2011-07-29 10:14:07

It’s hard for me to understand the pull of the whole “clubbing” scene. My nephew at age 43 bought a high-rise condo in downtown Seattle so he would be able to walk to the club scene every night. I don’t understand this at all.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-07-29 10:59:36

Maybe he doesn’t want to appear like an OLD Fogey, stuck in the mud 40 something suburban guy.

Or maybe he has a job downtown…and can walk to work, opening up many other job opportunities

We have thought of moving back to Manhattan from queens, give up the car live in a much smaller space … which means selling tons of records and get with the Apple plan Iphone Ipad Macbook pro…wireless mobile….no need for a huge desk and metro shelving to hold 3 desktops huge stereos..

And then the ability to walk (bike in seattle) and the streets are alive. Plus i would get in shape by always having to walk…and that will keep you young…

With jobs so scarce you never want to appear your age…. maybe that’s his motivation?

Comment by DennisN
2011-07-29 11:31:25

No he has to take a half-hour bus ride out to the suburbs to his job.

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Comment by Sarah
2011-07-29 12:23:22

Sounds like he wants to emerse himself in the gay community and culture. Please dont take this the wrong way or say I am prejudiced. I love gay ppl and have lots of great friends. I just call it as I see it. If you were gay you would understand.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-07-29 07:50:31

‘It is a downward spiral with no end because the more banks foreclose and sell property below market value, the lower everyone’s values are and the more foreclosures happen because more people are under water.’

This statement makes absolutely no sense whatever. Market value is what a home will sell for in an arm’s length transaction between a willing buyer and a willing seller. Why would a bank shoot itself in the foot by selling for below market value?

Market value is what it is.

Comment by GH
2011-07-29 08:54:59

Yes, but if you were able to corner the market and take a large amount of product out of circulation you could artificially bump prices.

This used to be illegal by the way…(I think?)

 
Comment by Eggman
2011-07-29 09:24:37

Realtors wish their product was more like other retail products, which have “list prices” set by their manufacturer. The idea that they can’t simply ’set’ home prices annoys them, and the idea that home prices can actually be determined by bidding downwards as well as upwards is too anxiety-producing for them to dare to really contemplate.

Comment by wolfgirl
2011-07-29 11:05:07

But in retail stores, things that don’t move at the listed price get reduced until they sell. And some places offer memberships sthat reduce the price.

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2011-07-29 08:33:50

“I’m not giving my house away,” Anderson said.

Oh dear, how to unpack the non sequiturs. It probably isn’t “my house” if there’s a mortgage. Selling at market price isn’t “giving away” anything. Market price is what a bona fide purchaser is willing to pay.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-07-29 10:23:39

“From the Miami River to Midtown, downtown Miami condos are hot commodities among international buyers, brokers say, not least because renters are lining up to lease them.”

Lower prices = recovery, at least in areas where there is actual demand at some price.

 
Comment by TCM-guy
2011-07-29 10:23:53

Miami real estate is becoming a commodity like gold and stocks.

Not true.

My cost of buying $100k of IBM stock is $9.99. My cost of selling these shares is $9.99. No taxes to local school board, no new roof or windows, no insurance. Round trip costs me 0.02% of initial investment.

My cost of round tripping Miami condos? Not 0.02%.

These kinds of statements are meant for the extremely stupid who never learned how to think for themselves. Sadly, we share this world with many, many people who are mentally challenged this way.

Comment by snake charmer
2011-07-29 11:01:00

And we’ve heard that one before. Guess who said this and when:

“Americans are treating real estate as a viable alternative to stocks and bonds.”

That would be David Lereah in 2005.

I remember the first time I thought something was badly wrong here. It was an article about a Miami couple who had bought a condo unit before anyone had even brought a shovel to the building site. And here it is, courtesy of the Google:

“Within six months last year, Carlos and Betti Lidsky bought and sold two condominiums. Then they bought and sold two houses. They say they will clear a half-million dollars in profit, and none of the homes have even been built.

Now Mr. Lidsky, a lawyer, and his wife, a charity fund-raiser, have put down a deposit on a fifth property, a $1.3 million condo in a high-rise under construction, and are planning to sell before the deal closes, without even taking out a mortgage.

‘It is much better than the stock market,’ Mr. Lidsky said. ”This is an extraordinary, phenomenally good result.”’

It’s sad to see realtors and developers trying to fan these flames again. I guess we’re not any better than this.

 
 
Comment by doom
2011-07-29 11:44:51

Banks afriad to put foreclosures on the market, the gov’t scared of default. Sounds like these folks already knew that eating a high content of fat will cause you health problems so now they think a aspirin a day will cure them?

 
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