August 2, 2011

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-02 05:15:15

Realtors Are Liars®

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 08:29:56

Montelongo for housing czar!

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-02 10:59:45

Un-named used house pimp for President!

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 05:31:23

YouTube of Gabby Giffords voting on debt ceiling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1DhPegbbz0

In other news: Today’s house.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/17089-Briardale-Rd-Rockville-MD-20855/37251922_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-photos}

This is a “nice house” early 90’s vintage — still only a brick front. 4/3.5 center hall colonial with open great room in the back on quarter acre. They played tricks with the photos (like the balcony height), but looks okay. It’s a reno-flip which is chasing the market down, slowly and stupidly.

Dec 1995: sold $280K
Dec 2006: sold $600K
Listed Jan 2010: $650K
Chase market down 6 months to $600K.
New re-al-TOR in March 2011: re-list $600K.
Chase market down again 3 months to $575K.
Idiots.
Days on Zillow 135 <— BS. Been on the market 18 months, not 4 months.

Since it’s already renovated, they won’t get cash flip investors, they need to find a family. IMO they’ll need drop at least another $100K to get any bites. And if the regs go through and you need 20% down to qualify for QRM, they’ll need to drop $150K… if they’re lucky.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 05:46:53

Proof that brain-dead congressmen are voting on our behalf.

Comment by michael
2011-08-02 06:30:23

ouch…too soon!

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 11:09:34

Pftttt….We are going to Lobotomize our way to prosperity.

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Comment by CincyDad
2011-08-02 05:47:15

that roof looks pretty bad for only 18 years old. Apparently they did not use quality roofing materials when they built it. One would probably conclude the rest of the house that is not easily visible to the naked eye was built with similar materials.

Comment by Steve J
2011-08-02 09:14:01

Roof years are a lot like Dog years.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 11:24:00

two words: metal roof

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 05:48:04

Even at 500K its pricey. I guess six figure jobs must still be plentiful in DC.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-02 07:12:54

A half-million dollar home, furnished with particle-board furniture. But plenty of TVs, of course.

Comment by scdave
2011-08-02 07:39:28

They sure like white as a paint color….I guess you get the big discount buying the Home Depot Behr white paint in the 5 gallon cans…

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Comment by Kim
2011-08-02 09:54:55

I find colonial-style houses boring. A very similar house around here just sold for $385K, and I think that was too high.

Never seen photos of street signs in a listing before.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 10:13:52

It’s a big deal around here to be close to the Metro. The plug for the shopping center was unnecessary IMO.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-02 07:54:04

No kidding. The quintessential it all looks good if they don’t look too close lifestyle. But I’m gonna jump in here again and add their purchase probably wasn’t about buying a home but a school district.

Make schools less drastically different, stop certain schools from becoming so poorly run that people are desperate to stay out of them and this behavior will slow down by leaps and bounds.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-02 13:47:42

Make schools less drastically different, stop certain schools from becoming so poorly run that people are desperate to stay out of them and this behavior will slow down by leaps and bounds.

As bonkers as some people go when this suggestion is made, I’ll make it anyway: I think this country needs a standard national curriculum. Not to the point of France, where you know exactly what is being taught in the classrooms at any given time, but a set of standards.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-02 14:33:31

“standard national curriculum”

What will not be in a national curriculum - evolution, global warming, Ted Kennedy, and anything else the right wing whackos object to. Do you really want to give them license to rewrite history? They already have control of the Texas book commission.

 
Comment by Muggy
2011-08-02 16:50:42

Slim, google “common core” standards. This is right up my alley. Common core is part of Race to the Top.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-02 17:25:17

I don’t think the wacko curriculum between regions is the real problem here.

What I’m talking about is the fact that there are the well funded districts who have the best of everything with silestone vanities in the bathroom, young vibrant staff trained for students w/learning disabilities so that they get thru the day w minimal distractions, strength training machines in the gym that rival any private club’s gym I’ve seen in this area. The grounds are beautiful and most campuses sport a stunning view. W/o question there are enough books in both the beautifully equipped library, stacks of extras for the classroom, enough equipment in the collegiate style media rooms, and space and proper equipment in the theatre and music departments.

Meanwhile several districts over, there are schools where the kids don’t even have enough books, few resources for their kids w/issues, a running track that is teeny, unlit, uneven and full of protruding softball size rocks, a cafeteria w/broken pipes that makes the room smell like the bathrooms. This bathroom smell in the cafeteria was reportedly like this for years although it’s now fixed. The grounds are minimally kept up w/a few shrubs here and there and depending which particular school you’re looking at there may be several items in view that are crumbling or in disrepair. And they blame it all completely on the parents when there are attitude problems at the 2nd school. I daresay in this environment some of the kids from the first district mentioned in my post might grow a bit hard to handle themselves.

These are the inconsitencies I’m talking about. They are 2 extremes w/many variations in between.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-02 18:52:51

Muggy:

surely you jest….what race to the top?

If there was a race to the top we would be in a big recovery by now by firing all the deadwood..but its just the opposite we have to deal with whats leftover…

We would not have such a dropout or pregnancy problem. Students would know they are in a race with Chindia….but we want our kids to be dumb.

I know you try very hard muggy but we have no leaders to set the course right…and to be that is a tough love English and math from grade school…or even before

Slim, google “common core” standards. This is right up my alley. Common core is part of Race to the Top.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Sarah
2011-08-02 06:00:13

“New re-al-TOR in March 2011.” While I understand that a buyer’s agent might have some influence over buyers, convincing them they must buy now or the ship is sailing, does anyone really think the seller’s agent plays much of a role? I do not know about other people, but I walk in and either the place feels like I want to stay, or I want to leave. Great fliers, guest speakers or fresh cookies at open houses, etc., don’t really do it. Maybe its just me but I would just assume if a house isn’t selling, unless it has something really offensive about it that can be easily remedied, it is always about the price and not about your Realtor. I would assume that everyone looking in an area is familiar with every house for sale meeting their criteria. To think that there is a untapped market out there that a great Realtor could find if they were not so lazy or unmotivated seems silly to me. Does anyone disagree?

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-02 06:04:34

To me the only reasons to overpay is if its the perfect last house to die in, or its walking distance to a business you own.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 06:13:58

The cookie stunt — and any marketing tricks, backfire on me big time. How stupid do they think I am?

Comment by wolfgirl
2011-08-02 07:15:48

It all depends on how over priced sthe house is.

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Comment by scdave
2011-08-02 07:43:00

I paid more for my house than what it was really worth at the time…Seller new I wanted it and extracted a premium…Don’t regret the purchase one bit…

 
 
Comment by Steve J
2011-08-02 09:17:27

An agent explained to me once that the cookies wmott it to help sell the house, but rather so that the people attending would like her as she got a lot of clients from open houses.

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Comment by salinasron
2011-08-02 06:38:16

“To think that there is a untapped market out there that a great Realtor could find if they were not so lazy or unmotivated seems silly to me. Does anyone disagree?”
Agreed. So why do we have to go through a RE and pay any commission at all? A RE to whom we pay a commission should be reserved for those wanting someone out of town to do selective house hunting for them. Under the present system, how many RE’s have inside info not available to you and I that they can use to buy and sell on, speculate on, of defraud sellers?

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 07:44:51

Maybe the compensation should not be commission-based.

Realtors should be paid by the lie.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-02 09:50:08

“Realtors should be paid by the lie.”

They’ll make fortunes in that case.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-02 13:13:53

I almost went with Redfin for that reason, but am glad I went with a realtor. In Silicon Valley, in most situations there is more than one potential buyer for good homes. Our realtor was able to get us in the door before the property hit MLS. No other bidders…one-on-one negotiation.

If she wasn’t established enough to get us into that kind of position, she would have been useless to us.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-02 19:25:10

So, your REALTARD was able to block out all the other competition, and convince the selling agent that they should not look at any other offers which could potentially bring more money, and just accept yours. Uh-huh, yeah, I’m buying that alright- NOT.

 
 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-02 07:44:44

You need the seller’s agent to get your house into MLS, and to have someone to double deal behind your back with the buyers agent to maxamize their comissions while screweing both the buyer and seller…..

DUH!

Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-02 13:25:11

Actually, getting into the MLS can be an online agency. That’s the easy part. They can even include some photos, but you’d better have a nice home that will sell itself, or do some of the work.

I’m licensed, but didn’t want to deal with the E&O insurance issues, so I used an online service. A lot of politics from Buyer Agency, but it sold, and I saved $20K total.
$650.00 to list, but I did some of the “selling”, per se. There are a bunch of services online for the savvy home seller.

In Wa, Ca, and I believe Oregon, “HomeWorks” is one of them.

The politics of the realturds is just so sick.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 07:56:33

I don’t think this is the fault of the seller’s agent. Wishing price in the midst of a popping bubble? Lower the price 2-3% at a time over a year? No, this has all the hallmarks of an FB seller who Doesn’t Want To Give It Away. They probably got fed up that the first re-al-TOR couldn’t sell the shack for what they paid, so they found an agent who could — or so they think. The sellers are about to discover that it’s 2011, not 2006.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-02 10:56:08

Sarah,
Coming from the commercial side, and really understanding residential (finance math, too), realturds do influence buying decisions. (2001 started in residential, commercial since 1986) Price, condition, location, and a host of decision matrix goes into it.

I remember when we had a class on how many homes to show in one day, in what order, and how to overcome objections. I almost puked. Oh, and anchoring emotions to a property. We were told that financial “comfort zones” could be re-zoned by us.

I came from an Asst Controller position into Mall Mgmt, and then was involved in residential. You’re just starting out in an historic housing bubble, now on the deflationary side of it. You really can’t judge the industry yet.

I agree with you on the current inventory conditions, but you have no idea how nefarious that industry is, in my opinion. I’ve lived it.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-02 11:04:40

I really what to know more….. please go on.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 11:35:31

I concur.

How many homes in a day, and what order? Low-price to high price? Can I read one or two books on construction quality and shout them down with tech, or would that be a low blow?

If a re-al-TOR gets wind of my income or cash on hand, will they try to to sell me more house than I want, despite my telling them expressly not to? Will they try to talk me into a f*cking floating box of air because I’m “hip?” And when they do try all these tricks, how rude am I allowed to be when I sack them?

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-02 11:49:57

RAL
What part, the psychological warfare? Or the games with relisting and non-disclosure of property history (relist, price reductions, etc…) in the MLS?
And there’s more…It’s a sad state of affairs, imho.

I follow my conscience first. I’m not getting out of this alive. (Not religious, I’m moral.) Commercial is a sophisticated business. The players are different.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-02 12:25:13

The mind warfare….. go on.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-02 13:26:50

Awaiting, my experience is primarily in commercial as well, where conflicts of interest are known/disclosed, etc. with sophisticated parties on all sides. I interviewed a few realtors before choosing one to work with–most were way too slick for me. The one I decided work with seemed to work differently than the others.

Without asking, she explained how she’ll never represent both sides of a transaction, how she’ll never represent two buyers seeking to purchase in the same price range, was happy to include us in the room to negotiate, etc. She had instant strong opinions about what was wrong with homes that were on the market, which ones were overpriced, etc. She didn’t ask what we thought and guided from there…she interrupted and told us not to bother even looking at some of the homes because they were built by the wrong contractor, overpriced, bad street, “good, but there will be better, so wait”, etc.

It seems like the opposite of my experience with attorneys. With legal counsel, 5% are unethical, etc., which make the other 95% look bad. With residential realtors, it seems like 5% are ethical, etc., and will work for you to find what works in a manner to minimize conflicts. The other 95% are the ones to avoid.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-02 13:36:48

RAL & oxide
When I get home later today, I’ll reply.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-08-02 05:47:55

Ominous rumblings on the bond markets
Yields on Spanish and Italien debt are at new highs. Yields for 10 year bonds are:
Italy 6.2%
Spain 6.41%
Belgium 4.47%
Portugal 11.23% (already under EU bailout)
Ireland 10.97% (already under EU bailout)
Greece 14.98% (already under 2nd EU bailout)
Germany 2.41% (yields dropping)
France 3.18%
US 2.72%
Switzerland 1.40% (yields dropping)
I am surprised that US and German yields are still that low given recent developments. After the debt drama of recent weeks in DC and the bailout guarantees Germany has given for various PIIGS it should be clear that neither will have a happy ending.
The tide is much higher and rising in Spain and Italy. Both set new all time (EURO time) yield highs. Especially Italy with its 120% debt/GDP ratio is nearing the point of no return. Not looking good…
The Swiss Franc hit an all time high, gold is also up. There’s a lot of money in sovereign bonds and very few places to hide. The Swiss bond market is rather tiny, so is the gold market in relation to bonds. I would expect good, dividend paying stocks to profit from that but maybe I am wrong. Where would you hide your funds?

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 06:10:43

The world has a vested interest in keeping the USD as the reserve currency: With our near trillion dollar trade deficit we are the customer of last resort. The customer who will buy stuff from them but who doesn’t expect them to buy from us. Sure, there’s trade between our “trading partners” but it tends to be more balanced than our lopsided deal. It must be that “protectionsim” thing that they do but we must not because it’s “bad”.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that our trade deficit is greater than all other trade deficits around the world combined, which explains why all our money ends up in Asia, Europe and Latin America.

A real quandry for our crack dealers … I mean trading partrners. They hate QE, but without serial QEs our house of cards will collapse and with it their bountiful exports to us will shrivel up.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-08-02 06:43:32

I think it is a really dumb idea to hoard another country’s debt obligations. They can and will always print more. So Japan, China, Saudi-Arabia, Germany, etc. sit on a bunch of US debt. If those countries would be smart, which they are obvioulsy not, they would consume more of their own goods or trade them against other real goods, not debt obligations.
Money does have its practical uses to facilitate the exchange of goods. It does not make for a good long term store of value as in sovereign debt obligations. Those that hoard debt obligations will be in for a hard lesson. What can’t be paid back won’t be paid back, it is that simple. In private that would result in default, on a sovereign debt level there’s always the option of the printing press which dilutes the value of obligations.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-08-02 07:00:57

One would think they have to be squirming at this point. Caught somewhere between “rational” compliance and unthinkable noncompliance.

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Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-02 06:20:51

Italy and Spain are now paying normal interest rates. Not high. Normal. Where they are, we will be, if not where Greece is.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-08-02 06:45:03

Yes, normal. But if you debt is a 120% of GDP normal can easily be deadly.

Comment by michael
2011-08-02 07:13:06

moral hazard abounds…those rates should be much higher.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-02 06:51:33

But how are we going to get there? How did we get there in 1980-1982?

This is one of the mysteries of macro which I don’t grasp.

Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2011-08-02 07:25:57

The bond vigilantes show up, sell their stuff, and interest rates rise. Of course, if the Fed is buying everything, then maybe the rates don’t move. Can the Fed buy everything? At some point, won’t they realize they are holding the bag and take huge losses? If no-one ever takes the losses, isn’t that the same as inflation, which they are sworn to protect against?

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2011-08-02 08:07:13

Captain Credit Crunch-

How do you define “bond vigilante”?

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-02 07:38:05

“How did we get there in 1980-1982?”

Volcker? (Appointed by Carter, sacked by Reagan, who replaced him with Greenspan.)

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Comment by scdave
2011-08-02 07:48:42

How did we get there in 1980-1982 ??

Big bad a$$ Volcker that’s how…

What would happen if the FED raised the prime rate to 18% tomorrow morning ??

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-02 08:06:32

What would happen if the FED raised the prime rate to 18% tomorrow morning ??

After watching the recent Congressional deliberations we know that is just a pipe dream.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-02 22:05:13

It looks like a good time to buy foreign bonds, UNLESS the dollar is about to start a strong rally.

But I see no reason the Fed will not stay in the way of that possible development.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-02 05:47:58

Section 8 $1,509-a-month Housing Choice Voucher?

Judge says Section 8 funds should pay off HOA dues rather than go to delinquent owner of West Palm Beach home

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 5:05 p.m. Monday, Aug. 1, 2011

A Palm Beach County homeowner renting to Section 8 tenants will lose the federal housing supplement after a court ruled the money should be used to pay his delinquent HOA fees.

“State statute doesn’t specifically address how the (U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development) should handle this kind of situation,” said attorney Michael Bender, whose Pompano Beach-based firm Kaye & Bender represents the association. “Hopefully this will assist the housing authority in going forward and they will no longer challenge these cases.”

A message left at the housing authority was not returned.

In the Willoughby case, the association filed for foreclosure against the 2,100-square-foot home in May after the homeowner, who lives in New York, amassed late payments and fees of more than $2,900. According to the lawsuit the homeowner stopped making payments in August 2010.

The owner receives $1,509-a-month in Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher money, while the tenant pays $275-a-month.

Bender said the renter was willing to pay her supplement to the association, but that HUD said it would need a court order to do so.

The home also had a foreclosure filed against it by the bank in June. According to the Palm Beach County Appraiser’s office, the home was purchased in 2006 for $392,000. Its total market value last year was $181,313

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/real-estate/judge-says-section-8-funds-should-pay-off-1681096.html - -

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-02 06:00:14

2100 sq ft $1800 rent, what does she have 6 kids and this was the only apartment available?

Why don’t we demand they rent a double wide at half the cost?

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 06:01:11

The government is paying these Section 8’s $1234 a month rent subsidy for a $180K house?? No wonder my apartment complex didn’t want to negotiate with me. Why should they bother with real people with real jobs if they can collect rent from government cheese suckers?

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-02 06:11:34

“The government is paying these $1,509-a-month $1234 a month rent subsidy for a $180K house??”

No, the government is paying these Section 8’s $1,509-a-month. I know of one gentleman who is getting $1,400 a month section 8 money on 4 appartments that are worth $700 a month max.

“The owner receives $1,509-a-month in Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher money, while the tenant pays $275-a-month.”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-02 07:48:50

The government is paying the landlords $1,509 a month, not the people who are ‘on section 8′. Both parties benefit, obviously, the one getting a better place to live, the other receiving a reliable check from the government for what sounds like above-market rent. But it’s the landlords who receive the check.

As with food stamps, it’s welfare that promptly ends up in the hands of many of the people who decry welfare.

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Comment by nickpapageorgio
2011-08-02 15:46:52

So are they entitled to rent a larger home than I rent? I work, pay taxes, live below my means and did not pop out a litter of kids that I couldn’t afford…where is my reward? I know, I just need to bend over and keep quiet. We have come a very long way from a basic safety net for people down on their luck…Progressives are well on their way to collapsing the system…Bravo!

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-02 16:00:42

We have come a very long way from a basic safety net for people down on their luck…Progressives are well on their way to collapsing the system

Show me the money nick. Show me the programs that are “a very long way from a basic safety net” that are “collapsing the system. Really. Show us. Single out the programs or the percentage parts of programs that are “collapsing the system”.

For example show us how much of the Section 8 stuff that you don’t like is costing us. Then tell us what percentage of our entire budget it represents. Then explain why this percentage is collapsing the system. Show me the money. Use math and reasoning.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 06:14:32

Well, for one thing, unlike with food stamps, there are waiting lists for section 8 vouchers.

Last year in nearby Fort Collins word got out that there would be about 80 new vouchers available. Hundreds of people camped out in the winter cold for a chance to get one. Most left empty handed.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-02 06:18:24

Do they pay LLs Section 8 funds who are not paying the mortgage in Fort Collins too?

“The home also had a foreclosure filed against it by the bank in June. According to the Palm Beach County Appraiser’s office”

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 06:24:49

Hell, I’d camp out too.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 08:28:10

From the article I read last year, they assigned a weight to the applicants based on some formula. It wasn’t first come, first served.

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-08-02 09:31:06

They had open enrollment in Section 8 in Dallas last month.

The local paper interviewed a 20 year old women waiting in line.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 10:49:18

They had open enrollment in Section 8 in Dallas last month.

The local paper interviewed a 20 year old women waiting in line.

You’d have to pay me to live in Dallas too.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2011-08-02 15:58:41

“From the article I read last year, they assigned a weight to the applicants based on some formula. It wasn’t first come, first served.”

Formula:

White -1
Male -1
Working -1
Childless -1
Illegal +1
Minority +1
Gang Banger +1
Two or more kids from different baby daddies +1per child
Homeless due to job loss (White) same as White
Homeless due to job loss (Non White) same as Illegal or Minority

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-02 07:05:47

This is one of the insidious distortions of the FedGov cheese programs that sets a floor under housing costs, making earner/payers shell out more for modest accomodations. There are some one room shanties in my town, across from my fav diner, that rent for $500/mo because that is the FedGov allowance. These 1920 shacks are “worth” less than $5K each IMO. They should rent for less than $100/mo.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-02 08:15:49

I looked at an $850 apt in Lysander a while back. The guy warned me that I didn’t sound like the type that would be interested in an apt like this but I didn’t get his drift. I’d lived in cities before, I thought. I wasn’t looking for stainless and granite.

Ha. My daughter was deeply disturbed at one of the rooms they called a bedroom. She still refers to how horrible it was today even years later. I have to say I choked back tears at the idea that someone was going to be living there in that room that looked like a set to a horror movie even if it wasn’t me. As we drove away from the building I looked up at the facade and wondered if the building would even hold up in any major windstorm. And yet this landlord was going to be collecting $850 from someone. Sickening.

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Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-08-02 07:56:47

Back in the ole days poor people lived in shelters, 20 to a room. Now they are pricing working class people out of a decent home to rent. But how much longer? I can see the gravy train derailing in a bad way.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 10:18:57

20 people to a room is excessive, I admit. But you would think that working people with jobs wouldn’t have to compete Section 8, but nope, the practices of private industry are subsidized by the government. *sigh* Public-private “partnership” strikes again…

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-02 14:48:49

I think Section 8 was a reaction to the projects of the 60s. Isolating all of the lowest income levels of a large city in one location created lots of problems.

It is very difficult to help those who have the potential to be net contributors without also subsidizing bullies and con men. And this is true whether they are lower, middle, or upper class.

I know there are those who believe that charities can make better decisions than government, but I don’t buy that. Just look at all of the fraud perpetrated worldwide on NGOs. Pushing decision making to the local level may help, but even families can be manipulated by drug-addled relations into providing support that is counter productive. And city councils prove time and again that fraud can be perpetrated by them and on them.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 16:41:21

But in this case, renters are getting double dinged: first because their taxes pay for this subsidy, and secondly because they have to compete with same subsidy that they helped fund.

I would advocate some kind of compromise: Only a certain % of a complex gets Section 8. And those tenents who aren’t Section 8 have their rent raised only by the county cost of living increase — NOT by market rate.

For example, my county advocated a 3% rent increase. My LL tried to raise my rent 20%. Only when I complained to the City did they finally settle on 13%. Why could they get away with 20%? Because there’s enough military and Section 8’s around that LL’s could presumably fill their complexes and fix rents around the subsidies. Real workers could get shut out altogether.

The solution would be that, in return for having “undesireables” in the complex, the working class shouldn’t have to submit to rent hikes caused by the same Section 8’s.

 
 
 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-02 11:26:46

I agree with everyone else. The amount of that subsidy is just nuts…..

I remember way back when, I used to listen to talk radio. One day on the drive home they have these 3 ladies in studio that live in public housing. It is christmas time, and they are complaining that they are not allowed to put christmans decorations on the outside of their units.

So, I get home and call in.

I say, so how much per month do you pay for this apartment? Nothing.

And you get assistance for utilities like water, electricity.
Yes.

And are you also receiving food stamps?
all three answered yes.

And Medicaid?
Yes.

And, if I understand, you are allowed to hang lights or snowmen or even a santa, just not a cross or minora or other decorations that are specific to the religios conotations of the holidays, correct.
Yes, that is correct.

Then I said… And instead of thanking the tax payers for all that you receive, all year round, your concern is that in exchage for these tax payer handouts, you have to live by Supreme Court rulings that government owned buildings can not display religious symbols or messages?

The rest of the show pretty much turned into a bitch session with people calling in complaining about welfare queens and how ungratful they are.

Comment by Doghouse Riley
2011-08-02 12:55:17

Ask anyone who works in a hospital ER or a pharmacy “Who is liable to whine the most about how long they have to wait, or how they aren’t getting treated right?”

The answer will be “Medicaid patients” at least two times out of three.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-02 13:53:51

There’s a British psychiatrist — Dalrymple’s the last name — who’s written several books about the patients he sees vs. the ones some of his fellow doctors treated in Africa.

In Africa, patients would walk for hours, if not days, just to be seen for a few minutes by an overworked clinic doctor who had plenty of others to treat. To a man and woman, the African patients were very grateful for their care.

Needless to say, the London situation was quite different.

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 05:48:52

What good is a raised debt ceiling if nobody buys the bonds?

(I know Bernanke will buy them. He buys anything.)

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 05:57:47

You already answered your question.

The digital printing press will continue to conjure billions, if not trillions, out of thin air, with the expected results. Not that middle class J6P will get his share of that dough (unless he works for the fedgov or the military industrial complex)

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-02 06:00:17

It will be a while probably until we get some details about what Trojan Horses have been foisted upon us during this latest manufactured crisis. Judging by the blatant lies from the White House and Treasury about impending doom and default and end of the world BS, they could be whoppers.

 
Comment by JIM A
2011-08-02 10:56:27

That’s why the fed is lending all those banks money at ~0%. Don’t worry it’s all good…/sarcasm

 
 
Comment by salinasron
2011-08-02 05:59:17

My wife and I decided to look at houses this past weekend. Two of three open houses didn’t materialize as the RE’s didn’t show up. When we called they said, “Oh, I didn’t realize that and anyway I’m spending time with the family.” I can’t blame them as foot traffic for some is non-existent.
The other house ($450K) should be torn down but will probably sell without the seller having to remove the illegal add-ons.
The number of viewings for some property is still at bubble stage and some houses are still being grabbed up at crazy pricing while others have been on the market for over a year.
A nice house in Carmel was sold in late 2009 for at least $200K over what I feel it was worth; is now back on the market with the buyer asking $100K over his purchase price. I guess he’s trying to catch a GF.
Out of 10 houses pictured on the internet and driving by the property only one is worth going through. It’s biggest draw back is a gated community (cost?), water costs (1 acre of land), septic tank, distance to town, and maintenance (up keep of 1 acre vegetation).

Comment by scdave
2011-08-02 07:55:34

Salinasron….Check the reduction for conforming loans in Monterey County…Its huge…$729,000. to $460,000. or so…Biggest decrease in any county…Its got to have a significant impact on sales going forward…

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 06:02:37

From yesterday’s discussion of women’s preventive reproductive care not being subject to copays:

Nothing wrong with the concept of co-payments. They are assessed to control expenses that would be frittered away by wanton consumption when a third party is providing coverage. The difficulty is that the poor cannot manage their priorities, so a co-pay becomes a barrier to services. Recall that being poor isn’t about the lack of money.

The real issue is that people are quickly being migrated to HD plans. So its not just a $10 or a $20 copay. They have to pay the OB for the entire visit plus pay for the prescriptions in full until they meet their $1500 dedictible.

Preventive care is exempt from deductibles as well. And not just reproductive care, but also regular annual checkups and immunizations for kids.

Comment by ahansen
2011-08-02 06:36:16

“…being poor isn’t about the lack of money.”

WHAT?
Oh, that’s right. It’s not situational, it’s a moral failing. So let’s all bitch about keeping those morally incompetent poor people from reproducing themselves….

You try paying $120 a month for birth control pills when your family food budget is <$250 a month. Or coming up with $250 plus lab fees to have your annual PAP test. Most single working women cannot.

Saddling them with unwanted pregnancies (and decreasing access to abortions,) in this economy smacks of slavery.

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-02 07:49:01

Poor isn’t a factor of having offshored the $30 an hour factory jobs and having replaced them with $7 an hour retail and fast food jobs. Poor is a factor of you chooseing to accept one of those $7 an hour jobs instead of being the capitalist off-shoring those jobs.

We can’t make everyone rich until we’ve made almost everyone misallocate their priorities.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-02 07:49:29

“You try paying $120 a month for birth control pills when your family food budget is <$250 a month.”

-I got
Rhythm,
-I got
Condoms,
-I got
My girl
Who could ask for anything more?

:)

Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 08:01:44

“Who could ask for anything more?”

A guy who will use them?

I always get a laugh out of scientists who spend so much time and money on looking for male contraceptive drugs. A male Pill will work when men can get pregnant. Not before. And it’s got nothing to do with the chemicals.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-02 13:00:46

Depends on the guy.

I know plenty of guys that would love to have the male pill just to make sure they aren’t hit with any paternity claims.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-08-02 13:15:04

Antonio Cormartie would own the world if a male birth control pill existed.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-02 14:54:01

“Antonio Cormartie would own the world if a male birth control pill existed.’

He wouldn`t be able to take the correct dose without the assistance of a trainer. He can`t read.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-02 08:38:22

You got rhythm?

Well that would imply a woman closing her legs and telling a man no 1/2 the month. In this day and age that’s like telling a person not to eat. ;)

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-02 09:34:30

When God closes a door he opens another…

 
 
Comment by JIM A
2011-08-02 10:58:31

Since birth control is VASTLY cheaper than childbirth and child healthcare, I’d bet that it has a NEGATIVE net cost, even if most of the women would have chosen to pay out of pocket if it wasn’t covered.

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Comment by Steve J
2011-08-02 09:34:34

If only poor people were uglier this wouldn’t be a problem.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 12:49:08

Judging by the number of obese and ugly kids, maybe not.

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Comment by rms
2011-08-02 12:04:11

“Oh, that’s right. It’s not situational, it’s a moral failing.”

There are some great stories on-line regarding the poor winning the lotto and getting into trouble as they burn through their windfall. The poor are still poor despite the wad of cash.

“You try paying $120 a month for birth control pills when your family food budget is <$250 a month. Or coming up with $250 plus lab fees to have your annual PAP test. Most single working women cannot.”

If they’re single then birth control pills shouldn’t be needed, but we’re talking about the poor, so keeping your legs closed isn’t an option. Another child from a deadbeat dad…poor choices, right?

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-02 12:38:23

“If they’re single then birth control pills shouldn’t be needed”

Some women are prescribed birth control pills to control endometriosis and other female problems. Or after hysterectomy. They are not just for contraception.

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Comment by eastcoaster
2011-08-02 13:39:42

And some women, yes - even single women, want them just for contraception. Single woman = not allowed to have sex? Wow.

 
Comment by rms
2011-08-02 18:08:44

“Some women are prescribed birth control pills to control endometriosis and other female problems.”

Then their prescriptions would largely be covered by insurance.

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-02 12:39:53

“There are some great stories on-line regarding the poor winning the lotto and getting into trouble as they burn through their windfall.”

So lack of financial education is a moral failing. Got it.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-02 12:55:28

No it just proves we have purposely dumbed down the kids so they become wards of the welfare system…

and rap music is the biggie! Live LARGE man.. live LARGE!

———
So lack of financial education is a moral failing. Got it.

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-08-02 14:27:40

So lack of financial education is a moral failing. Got it.

Umm, rms said nothing about moral failings. That was ahansen. The comment was simply that “being poor” wasn’t simply about not having money. It’s also a series of bad choices (or sometimes happenstances)….the focus here being bad choices.

 
Comment by rms
2011-08-02 18:13:50

“So lack of financial education is a moral failing.”

Lots of financial advisers have ruined the future for many of their clients; despite the financial education, poor decisions…and character.

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2011-08-02 14:07:27

rms

There are also some great stories online about former middle class persons suffering catastrophic illness or natural disaster– which ruin them. Then there are the stories about poor people NOT winning the lottery and still managing to make their millions– and keep them.

And if you’re seriously suggesting that wealthy single women are more prone to “keep their legs crossed,” (as you so superciliously put it,) than poor single women, you are both a bigot AND an idiot.

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Comment by rms
2011-08-02 18:32:04

“Then there are the stories about poor people NOT winning the lottery and still managing to make their millions– and keep them.”

Sound like good decisions, not poor.

“And if you’re seriously suggesting that wealthy single women are more prone to “keep their legs crossed,” (as you so superciliously put it,) than poor single women, you are both a bigot AND an idiot.”

Poor decisions are made by people at all income levels; think Paris Hilton or Nadya Suleman.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2011-08-02 18:53:44

There is a further group of stories about people who are born poor, try as hard as they can while in school, stay out of trouble, work hard in miserable little jobs, have few or no kids, and still never manage to climb out of poverty.

 
 
 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2011-08-02 16:06:13

“You try paying $120 a month for birth control pills when your family food budget is <$250 a month.”

Abstinence works 100% every time it’s tried, also condoms are much cheaper. A third alternative would be sexual relations Clinton style.

 
 
Comment by rms
2011-08-02 07:04:19

“The real issue is that people are quickly being migrated to HD plans. So its not just a $10 or a $20 copay. They have to pay the OB for the entire visit plus pay for the prescriptions in full until they meet their $1500 dedictible.”

We’re in a high deductible plan, and what is frustrating is that many of the services rendered don’t qualify toward reducing the annual deductible. No dental or vision tops our family plan too. We charge what we can’t write a check for while all the minorities get everything for free, no deductible either.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-02 12:47:03

“all the minorities get everything for free”

Good thing no po white trash get anything for free.

Comment by rms
2011-08-02 18:41:21

“Good thing no po white trash get anything for free.”

Po’ white folks is all we gots [sic] in my god fearing town, and none of ‘em are little either. Diabetes and renal failure leading to dialysis are widespread; very expensive too.

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Comment by MightyMike
2011-08-02 18:58:33

Are you claiming that these poor whites can’t Medicaid while non-whites get it?

 
Comment by rms
2011-08-02 22:35:45

“Are you claiming that these poor whites can’t Medicaid while non-whites get it?”

No. All we have are whites and Mexicans; the whites won’t work, and the Mexicans are over-worked, and both are on DSHS, Washington’s social welfare program. Add in the older retired folks, and more than 2/3 of this place exists on redistribution of tax money. The only positive thing here is that housing didn’t experience near the run-up like most other areas.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2011-08-02 23:01:44

So why did you write “all the minorities get everything for free”, if there are so many whites doing the same thing? Also, where are you located?

 
 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-02 07:11:08

“Nothing wrong with the concept of co-payments. They are assessed to control expenses that would be frittered away by wanton consumption when a third party is providing coverage. The difficulty is that the poor cannot manage their priorities.”

I wonder if the person who wrote that would have the same view if co-pays were scaled to income, so they provided the same level of incentive to those with $10,000 in income as those with $400,000?

I’m not just being facecious. When I wrote out my proposal for what health care reform should have been, that was part of it.

Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2011-08-02 07:31:20

Seems reasonable to me. We should ask the RAND Health Care Experiment authors what they think, because it was them who so successfully tested the ability of co-pays to curb consumption.

 
Comment by rms
2011-08-02 07:35:59

“I wonder if the person who wrote that would have the same view if co-pays were scaled to income, so they provided the same level of incentive to those with $10,000 in income as those with $400,000?”

People at $10k/yr income have a problem with contributing any portion of the generic beer money toward healthcare services; life is short, nasty and brutish at this level. The government provides fully for their healthcare because they are their children’s provider; the system is really supporting the children, and the flaky adult is an unintended beneficiary.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-02 08:26:04

But the change does not offer free preventative service to poor and underinsured, it offers it to everyone. This could have been aimed to fill a hole in other programs. Instead it is a giveaway to big pharma.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 11:39:45

Birth control pills of have been around for 50 years. It’s doubtful that pharma is making much of a profit from this. And it’s not only the poor that are on birth control.

 
 
 
 
Comment by whyoung
2011-08-02 07:16:28

And I would think that encouraging women, especially poor ones, to practice effective birth control would be something that would be appreciated by many.

And with an HD plan, it can be hard to ever meet the annual deductible, unless you are very sick. The amounts allowed by a plan that “count” towards the deductible can be very small.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-02 16:25:33

And with an HD plan, it can be hard to ever meet the annual deductible, unless you are very sick.

That’s why I love the American health insurance system. It’s fair because it benefits the very ill. Because when you’re really sick, you meet the annual deductible which means you’re one of the lucky ones.

 
 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 07:48:48

A welfare check should require the recipient to maintain an implanted birth-control device for the duration of government financial assistance. There is nothing unconstitutional about that.

Comment by Itsabouttime
2011-08-02 08:33:24

Who pays for the implant? We just cut all sorts of social programs. The Republican Congress doesn’t want to pay for basics of life, how do you think you’ll get them to pay for birth control? They would see it as a subsidy to women who want to engage in sex, and we know the Republicans’ stance on sex — do as I say, not as I do.

Who pays if there are complications (e.g., future sterility, disfigurement, death)? (If you implant 1,000,000 women, with a complication rate of 1% you will have 10,000 complications). What further unintended consequences might there be?

IAT

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 10:46:25

Yeah, it would be much cheaper to pay for all of the babies and their healthcare plus the extra welfare to the moms to raise said babies and the babies’ babies in a decade and so on. Makes total sense.

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Comment by Itsabouttime
2011-08-02 17:37:32

You realize the Rethuglicans do not seem to care about cost effectiveness, else they would not be anti-abortion. I am just raising some of the questions they will raise to justify their opposition to such a “big brother government program.”

IAT

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-02 08:40:50

Liz why are you so easy on these people?

Force them to sit in class everyday and learn English for their check….Ill bet 1/2 will drop out in the first week.

Comment by Itsabouttime
2011-08-02 09:49:50

If aNYCdj is serious, then I agree. Demanding work in exchange for welfare, and including a training component, is a good idea. The work should be 6 hours of productive work for society, for every two hours of specific schooling.

One problem is our manufacturing base is almost gone, so it would require some effort to figure out what jobs could be assigned to low-skill persons. But, daycare positions, picking up litter, doing the dishes in restaurants, farmhand labor, and so forth, are obvious possibilities. The hope is that such work, coupled with education, would help the person find other better work in the end. (To make this work we’d need a real industrial policy, not the current “cut-taxes and hope the wealthy invest it in productive enterprises” policy fantasies.)

And, one would have to fight off some (not all) unions, and some (not all) private business owners, who will see in this socially useful program a threat to their financial interests. However, if their interests were so aligned with the public’s interest, there wouldn’t be any work to assign to those on welfare.

But, my sense is aNYCdj was just aggressively attacking others s/he regards as beneath him/her, so, since that is the posture of many in the U.S. (attack the poor, while the wealthy make out like bandits), there probably is insufficient public support for such a wise policy.

IAT

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-02 10:26:09

No IAT, its just tough love…..you want help?? whats wrong with demanding you learn English & math?

90% of the people in jail cannot speak English, its all ghetto and trailer trash…

The new jobs will require this, so why not demand it of people. And then start in public school….i can hear the outcry from Sharpton when all the failed report cards come in and all the minority kids have to be in summer school.

Once they learn English & math then put them to work. We have this all backwards for the future non manufacturing economy.

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-02 10:57:47

And who is going to pay for english lessons??

I’m all for this but we all know that some would consider this a welfare.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-02 11:18:03

measton:

Well we should have gotten our moneys worth in public schools.. right? But we haven’t so we will have to pay for it again in welfare classes…heck lots of “colleges” have remedial courses paid by the state.

So what is the only real difference between a good school and a failing one?

The good school forces you to speak English everyday.

 
Comment by Itsabouttime
2011-08-02 14:26:36

I hear you aNYCdj. Except, I disagree that we should provide schooling to people on welfare with no obligation to work outside of school. Everyone had lots of time when they could have received free education. If they missed that, then they should be doing something as an adult to give back to society while they catch up. Any other response is to completely undercut the incentive of many kids to apply themselves to school as it is. I’m sure the teachers would not be too happy about this unintended consequence.

I call my policy of school and work tough love.

However, what are you going to propose we do when the U.S. Chamber of Commerce comes out against this plan because it means those on welfare will be working and thus taking business away from private business (the jobs can’t be private business jobs because we’d lose money in the deal, multiple ways)? And, what are you going to propose we do when the USCoC allies with some unions to try to stop the plan, unions on board because they will see those jobs — currently many of them not even being done (e.g., picking up litter) — as jobs that should be theirs.

If you can provide a possibly successful response to this double-sided resistance, you might have something.

IAT

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-02 17:40:10

We really agree with each other..but you want both at the same time and i want 25-30 hrs a week of school before work I think it will thin the heard faster…not many will give up their ghetto Ebonics.

Also most welfare to work is menial work picking up litter, moping floors, filing papers answering phones, or working in a hospital greeting the visitors of sick patients…..Its ok if you’ve never had a job before, never had to set an alarm.

For example if I was on assistance they would NOT put me in an audio/video dept. in a high school …or as a paralegal with the city attorney so I can keep a recent job at the top of the resume, this is the biggest Failure of the welfare to work program. Its meant to be punitive. instead of helping so you never have to apply again.

So by forcing people to learn English first, let the welfare people stick it to the union guys by getting much better jobs..the union guys wont care and they can keep their dirty menial jobs.

I hear you aNYCdj. Except, I disagree that we should provide schooling to people on welfare with no obligation to work outside of school

 
Comment by Itsabouttime
2011-08-02 19:35:25

If the instruction is mind-numbing classes will thin the herd. If the instruction is actually good (i.e., very demanding, and also respectful of adults), then it will not.

Further, you continue to say just plain ridiculous things (for example, the ebonics comment). Fact is, every time some company announces they plan to hire 50 people, 5,000 show up. Those who show up are all races, all ages, all religions, all sexual orientations, a veritable flood of humanity. Every time someone announces a plan to offer job training, there are 20 applicants for every slot.

Obviously, some of those people would wash out. That’s true of everything, from Harvard to Hollywood to the school or business around the corner. But, both liberal academics and conservative pundits agree — the U.S. welfare system, unlike that of many other Western countries, is designed to keep people subservient. It offers no incentive for work, no path to work, and punishes anyone who does anything to start cobbling together any savings. One can make those points without the tone of denigration and, if you did, you’d find most on this list would be in agreement with your claims.

So, we agree on the policy. But, I do not think that in order to give someone a chance I have to stomp on some stereotype I have of who they are.

IAT

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-02 20:45:58

IAT that’s why i love this board I get a chance to express some ideas and someone calls me (stupid)….instead of getting mad i have to ask myself am i???

 
Comment by Itsabouttime
2011-08-02 21:56:19

In that post I did not call you stupid. I said you sometimes say ridiculous things. When I say something is ridiculous I mean that it is appropriately subject to ridicule. In that post I did not call you a name nor characterize you, I characterized something you said.

I cannot guarantee that I have always followed that nuanced line of commenting on what is said rather than who said it (I am not perfect, alas), but I do believe commenting on what people say is useful for this forum. I enjoy reading others’ comments on what different people have said, and I learn a lot. I learn little when someone attacks a person. So I try not to. But, I admit, I may fail sometimes and make the mistake.

Apologies to all who have been victims of that mistake on my part.

IAT

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-03 15:31:49

IAT no problem…people here are a smart bunch so ridiculous maybe so….i can take it too….

Questioning beliefs and to prove with supporting facts are whats missing with our “leaders” and MSM…

So maybe someday Ben or you will come to NYC and we’ll have all have a beer!

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2011-08-02 10:13:24

I am one of “these” people, dj, and although I fully support percentage co-pays for ALL medical services, very few are actually available for anyone not part of a collectively negotiated group coverage plan.

Slim knows what I’m talking about. As a private individual policyholder, the insurance scam industry dictates that I pay the first $11,700 of what they deem “reasonable and customary” of their “covered services” out of my pocket BEFORE my $2500 deductible (per family member,) is partially reimbursed (at their rates.) All the exemptions listed above allow for a whole lot of wriggle room when it comes to pre-approval of services, let alone actually paying anything out on a claim. And without guarantee of payment, no physician will touch you….

Oh. And then there are the monthly premiums. And any eye, dental, and pharmaceutical care one might require; none of which are covered either.

Very few, if any specialized MD’s even take Medicaid anymore, and “Them” aren’t eligible for Medicaid unless “Them” are citizens or legal residents of the USA. Just like you.

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Comment by rms
2011-08-02 18:47:59

“I am one of “these” people, dj, and although I fully support percentage co-pays for ALL medical services, very few are actually available for anyone not part of a collectively negotiated group coverage plan.”

A single payer system is the only viable solution, IMHO. Anything else means excessive profits for some, excessive benefits for others, and the lonely contributors who are taken advantage of financially.

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-08-02 22:25:07

Yep.

 
 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-02 10:17:47

Sounds like a Republican idea.

The same Republican party that wants to ban abortions.

 
Comment by cactus
2011-08-02 10:21:02

A welfare check should require the recipient to maintain an implanted birth-control device for the duration of government financial assistance. There is nothing unconstitutional about that.

hahaha good luck with that I think they tried that back in the day anyway. Besides the more kids you have the mo money you gets

how about no government assistance at all ?

 
 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-08-02 09:05:38

In my HD plan, prevenative care is (mostly) free, including baby well checks, immunizations, mammograms, a physical a year for me and necessary female well visits.

Obviously this is dependent upon the proper coding of the visit, and anything found that requires follow up is not free.

I’m pretty sure this is a requirement of the new Obamacare plan.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 10:54:51

I’m pretty sure this is a requirement of the new Obamacare plan.

It is indeed part of the underground Marxist plan.

Kididng aside, we have a neighbor who hung a Soviet Flag from his porch:

When Obama was elected.
When “Obamacare” became law.

I can only imagine what he would have done had we passed a real national health system like they have in “communist” countries like Taiwan, Japan or Germany.

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-02 11:33:44

Remember kidz:

Obamacare death panels = gov bureaucrats kill granny
InsuranceCorp death panels = invisible hand of free market

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Comment by drumminj
2011-08-02 16:16:32

Obamacare death panels = gov bureaucrats kill granny
InsuranceCorp death panels = invisible hand of free market

such B.S.

Behind door #1 lies lack of choice. Behind door #2 lies multiple options you can choose from, where bad options can actually be extinguished.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-02 16:36:48

Behind door #2 lies multiple options you can choose from,

Exactly. And a rope, some pills or a gun are a few of the choices.

Behind door #1 lies lack of choice.

Exactly again! Because there is no private insurance companies involved in the Obama healthcare thing. None. I think it’s being run by the EPA.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-02 17:46:12

What wrong with that????????

Most people Know when its time to go, but we vilified Dr Kevorkian, and we don’t seem to want to allow a humane way of passing with family and relatives around…so maybe death squads are the ultimate answer to the problem.

You cant sue or jail a bureaucrat.

Obamacare death panels = gov bureaucrats kill granny

 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-02 13:56:56

The real issue is that people are quickly being migrated to HD plans. So its not just a $10 or a $20 copay. They have to pay the OB for the entire visit plus pay for the prescriptions in full until they meet their $1500 dedictible.

And let’s not forget the screening tests that the doctor performs while you’re lying there on the table. Your precious bodily whatevers are sent off to the lab, then wham! You’re hit with the bill, which usually runs deep into the three figures.

Yet another reason why people are avoiding doctors these days.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-02 06:52:49

BUSINESS
AUGUST 2, 2011

Washington’s Haggling Left Wall Street Dangling
By FRANCESCO GUERRERA

Call it the Revenge of the Pols.

Three years after Wall Street’s penchant for financial engineering, exotic derivatives and too-complicated-to-be-true assumptions brought the world economy to its knees, the U.S. political class crafted, and then partially solved, its very own crisis.

The game of “Deal or No Deal” played by Washington as the deadline to raise the debt ceiling drew perilously near will have long-lasting effects on markets and investors.

As one top Wall Street executive said when the talks dragged on late last week, “This may be a mess completely manufactured by politicians but, boy, they did a hell of a job!”

 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 06:54:24

A sacred set of facts:

There appears to be a “real” reality the facts of which are only available ot people of power on a need-to-know basis. An example would be when Obama the candidate became Obama the President there was an immediate change in what he could or could not accomplish as promised (i.e: bringing home the troops: he was told the “real” fact that the war IS the economy and that’s just how it works - in fact he was told he better start a new war pronto. which he did). I have pointed out before that the “real” facts are best protected from the masses because the sheeple would not be controllable were they privy to them. In other words the fewer people let in on how things really work the better for the survival of our current society. With increasing frequency each new “cirsis” requires the inclusion of more people (in the most recent case, Congressmen- they needed the votes) to be told the truth which increases the risk of the masses learning the truth. Every new individual included on this “inside” information increases the risk ten-fold on the possibility of the masses learning the truth. At some point a critical mass will be reached and the real facts will escape and there will be mass panic and all types of mayhem. We are watching the collapse of our society from the inside out. I find it hard to believe there is all that much time left.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-08-02 07:35:18

The other possibility is that none of them know what the heck they’re doing and are just guessing*.

*Using some amalgamation of latent childhood fears, half forgotten textbook knowledge, and fuzzy recollections from three martini lunches.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-02 07:45:12

Monied advisors. Until you get elected, you get the money. Once you’re elected, you get the “advice” (and more money).

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-02 07:55:42

Do not underestimate the power of bribes… I mean, campaign contributions and promises of employment and speaking engagements after their political career.

The corporations control the politicians.

 
Comment by BlueStar
2011-08-02 10:23:49

Shortly after Obama was elected I watched exactly what was happening. Loads of Clinton and ‘veteran’ policy guys moved in to take control. The real Obama presidential term lasted about 1 month and it’s been the establishment in control ever since.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-02 13:11:43

As I recall, Obama invited Republicans into his cabinet.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 10:28:46

Well, the truth is slowly leaking out.

Just today, Jeff’s article about the $1234 Section 8 subsidy was an eye-opener. That’s 80% free rent! No wonder I’m struggling.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-02 11:53:24

I dated a lady who was making quite efficient use of this program. Her appartment was nicer than I would care to pay for, and a good incentive to keep her “income” pretty low. She owned a cash business and kept it off the books.

If these programs are cut, there will be very loud crying heard. Entitlement may get squeezed some in future, but not fast enough to suit in cases like that.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-02 07:00:20

08/02/2011
The World from Berlin

A ‘Civil War Atmosphere’ in Washington
President Barack Obama leaves the White House after announcing the debt ceiling deal reached Sunday.

A new study by the Pew Research Center in Washington found that 72 percent of American characterized the recent budget negotiations as “ridiculous, disgusting, stupid, and frustrating.” In Germany, where the Tea Party has become a household name, commentators also expressed their frustration with Washington.

The center-left Süddeutsche Zeitung writes:

“No one can forget the Civil War atmosphere in which this debt fight has taken place. It weighs on America’s international reputation. From the point of view of financial markets, the dysfunctional nature of Washington is a risk factor that must be calculated for in the future.”

“But America is not Greece … The capital market is fruitful, and behind everything is an efficient and productive national economy. Nevertheless, the American and European debt crises are connected. Never before in times of peace have the budgets of industrialized countries been so debt-ridden. That translates into a major weakening of the parts of the world that are still called the ‘West.’”

“The countries that until recently had controlled the destiny of the world, now largely find themselves on an unsustainable financial path. The grotesque behavior in Washington over the past weeks have made that abundantly clear. But the fact that the European debt crisis has noticeably not been solved yet (also) costs Europe influence in the world.”

The left-leaning Die Tageszeitung writes:

“What is happening in Washington is nothing less than a culture war. On President Obama’s side are supporters of a national concept, like one known in Europe, namely that the state should take care of a certain amount of social equalizing, and if necessary, intervene with regulations. For his opposition, even Obama’s idea of expanding health insurance coverage equals the birth of communist totalitarianism.”

“Anyone who raises taxes or increases the debt ceiling, and therefore unleashes the Leviathan of ‘big government,’ is, according to their logic, threatening the highest ideal that the American revolutionaries fought for: freedom. Those who do it will be pursued by these self-named patriots with virtually pathological hatred, even when the infrastructure or social benefits would profit from their undertakings. Illogical? Patriotism is possibly the only thing that many uncertain American citizens have left. The crisis has not only cost them their jobs; it has also threatened their country’s hegemony. And a solution for none of these problems seems apparent.”

The center-right Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung writes:

“Even though many liberal Democrats and their base perceive it to be true, the charge that President Obama capitulated to the right wing of the Republican party is silly. It is this war-like rhetoric that has so poisoned American politics. What should the president, who also has to think of his own re-election, and the Democratic leaders in Congress, do when the Republicans collectively turn a deaf ear to the issue of tax increases and are resolute in their opposition?”

“Should they accept partial insolvency of the United States and risk great damages to their own and the world’s economies? That would have been irresponsible and would have been equal to the stubborn refusal to compromise exhibited by part of the Republican Party — for whom the agreed-upon cuts don’t go far enough, and who therefore broke with the leadership of their own party. It speaks volumes that among them is a Republican presidential hopeful.”

The Financial Times Deutschland writes:

“The world can calm down — with this savings package, the American economy won’t go under. Export nations like Germany don’t need to fear that one of their biggest markets will collapse.”

“The Americans could have made things easier for themselves and the rest of the world. It was extremely dangerous to turn the issue of the debt ceiling — raised seven times under Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush — into a fight over the role of government.”

“Still, the Americans are taking on their debt problems and trying to find a long-term solution. The debt burden per person is, in the end, almost as high as in Greece. Ideally they could have agreed on more than just the deficit reduction. The Democrats have long lobbied for higher taxes on the most wealthy. It is a shame that they couldn’t push that through.”

Comment by butters
2011-08-02 09:32:45

So the bottomline is Germans want us to keep on borrowing and buying their stuff. I would love to see their reaction if US started even a tiny tariff to their exports…

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 10:35:36

I like this line: ““No one can forget the Civil War atmosphere in which this debt fight has taken place. ”

The authors seem to realize that the debt fight didn’t cause the Civil War atmosphere. The atmosphere was already there (witness the endless filibusters of 2009-2010); the debt fight just exposed it to the world in sharp relief.

Comment by butters
2011-08-02 10:46:18

Failed state. Ever since Bush launched attacked on Iraq, US has been a failed state.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-02 16:50:15

“No one can forget the Civil War atmosphere in which this debt fight has taken place. ”

Yawn. Too much drama…. This atmosphere was nothing like the Civil War. Remember the American Civil war was caused by something much more serious. (Rhode Island’s boycott of Georgia peaches I think)

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-02 10:46:27

Civil War? Or Weinmar Germany?

Comment by butters
2011-08-02 13:39:45

Zimbabwe

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-02 07:04:47

Debt ceiling deal casts a bleak light on the future

The agreement underscores the near paralysis in Washington and offers no solution to a faltering economy.
By Don Lee and Tom Petruno, Los Angeles Times
August 2, 2011
Reporting from Washington and Los Angeles—

The last-minute deal on the debt ceiling may prevent a government default, but it does little to avert a perfect storm of economic problems that could push the nation toward a new downturn and more financial pain for millions of Americans.

Instead of increasing confidence in the future, the agreement seems to have underscored the near paralysis in Washington — and the fact that no substantial new efforts are likely for dealing with unemployment, lagging consumer spending or a host of other problems that have been dragging the economy down.

“By itself, it doesn’t do anything to solve the problems down the road,” said Roberton Williams, an economist at the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, referring to the budget deal that is estimated to cut the federal deficit by about $2.1 trillion over the next decade.

The stock market provided an early indicator Monday that investors and business leaders saw little to cheer about. Stocks initially rallied on the debt-ceiling pact, then tumbled after a report showed that U.S. manufacturing activity slowed sharply in July, reinforcing other weak economic data.

Comment by michael
2011-08-02 07:50:33

your king of ‘merika.

the yield on your 10 year treasury is 2.7%.

you have an unlimited borrowing capacity with a central banking authority more than willing to create all the money you will need.

all your horses and all your men are telling you that there is no inflation risk.

you’re too stupid, ignorant, occupied or trusting to think anything to the contrary.

what do you do?

Comment by michael
2011-08-02 10:39:58

should have been you are or you’re

 
 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 08:45:18

I think we just went from “nobody trusts the government” to “nobody trusts the government”.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-02 09:27:16

The debt ceiling is almost 3 light years high.

A light-year, also light year or lightyear (symbol: ly) is a unit of length, equal to just under 10 trillion kilometres (1016 metres, 10 petametres or about 6 trillion miles). As defined by the International Astronomical Union (IAU), a light-year is the distance that light travels in a vacuum in one Julian year.[1]

The most distant space probe, Voyager 1, was about 16 light-hours away from the Earth as of 2011[update]. It will take about 17,500 years to reach one light-year at its current speed of about 17 km/s (38,000 mph) relative to the Sun.[15]

One astronomical unit (the distance from the Sun to the Earth). It takes approximately 499 seconds (8.32 minutes) for light to travel this distance.[14]

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-02 09:48:17

The average distance from the moon to the Earth is 238,857 miles

In one second, light travels over three quarters the distance to the moon, …

A light-year, also light year or lightyear (symbol: ly) is a unit of length, equal to just under about 6 trillion miles.

That makes for a high debt ceiling.

Comment by anotherblackhat
2011-08-02 15:29:40

Hmm….
14 trillion dollars in hundreds would be 140 billion notes.
a note is .0043 inches thick, or .11 mm.
That’s a stack over 15,000 km high.
Slightly taller than the earth (12,700 km) which would qualify as astronomical IMO, but still no where near a light year, or even a light second.

On a related note;
The Bureau of Engraving and Printing prints about 12 million notes a day.
At that rate, printing 14 trillion dollars (140 billion notes) would take over 30 years.

I don’t think firing up the presses is going to get us out of this hole.

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 07:28:41

If we take away the “Soma”, there could be problems. Is the article suggesting that we let the criminal activity continue just to keep the status-quo? Seems to be the current trend with our leadership…

http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/local/east-volusia/2011/08/02/attorney-general-warns-of-pill-crimes.html

Comment by Jojo
2011-08-02 09:47:42

If people want to take drugs, let them. It shouldn’t be the Government’s job to control what adults choose to consume.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 10:27:27

Ummmm…yeah, it is. The “drugs” in this case are prescribed and mostly paid for thru Medicaid. They are expensive as hell. The big drug companies are killin’ it. Ya beginning to get it yet?

 
 
 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 08:53:29

Is the Real Estate Market in Bubble Trouble?

Sept 2006 article by Kendra Todd:

http://www.janacaudillteam.com/Blog/Is-the-Real-Estate-Market-in-Bubble-Trouble

Comment by Pete
2011-08-02 15:18:55

(from the article)
“A bubble is a market in which the value of the key asset is inflated based on speculation and psychology.”

The funny thing is, the author said this to bolster her point about how real estate does not fall into this category. Her definition of bubble is correct, but she wasn’t seeing what others were seeing. I didn’t get the impression that she was being a deliberate RE shill. But it’s amazing that she couldn’t bring herself to consider RE an asset that had “been inflated based on speculation and psychology”.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2011-08-02 09:02:12

Back in the day 2000-2005 this place was super busy , now its a half empty most of the time.

5. The Home Depot
Drop in sales: -16.6%
2005 sales: $81.5 billion
2010 sales: $68.0 billion
5 yr. change in stock price: +1%

The Home Depot is the world’s largest retailer of building materials and home improvement products. The company has over 2,200 stores worldwide. The chain has been badly damaged by the housing crisis, which began in earnest in 2007. From 2007 to 2008, the company’s stock fell from $35 to under $27. Home Depot’s prospects were also hurt by the presence of Robert Nardelli, who operated the chain in the first half of the decade.

Comment by Montana
2011-08-02 09:45:59

Went there Saturday, couldn’t find what I was looking for - a small clip-on work light - so I ended up at Ace (again).

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-02 10:06:25

Home Depot shareholders should be raging. Absolutely raging. Bob Nardelli(GE) absconded with $240million and who steps in for his take? Frank Blake(GE directly under Nardelli). I’ve met and worked for both these guys. They ran GE PowerSystems. When Just Call Me Jack John Welch skipped over shorty Bob Nardelli and appointed Immelt, Nardelli fell apart and bailed. The raping of HomeDepot shareholders and employees by these two guys is stunning. The presumptive next guy in line to rape HD I worked for personally on a day to day.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-02 11:56:26

One really should be choosey who one works for. Lessons hard learned.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-02 12:23:45

uh huh… yeaah.

 
 
 
Comment by Kim
2011-08-02 10:15:28

Our local Ace looks like a dump inside, but they carry some of the most obscure parts and pieces imaginable. And the staff always knows exactly where to find these things. It impresses me every time. Their prices are higher than Home Depot and Lowes, but they’re worth every penny.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 10:40:47

Do they sell design services and stuff?

If I ever buy a house and want to re-do a kitchen, ACE will be the place. For referrals for contractors, if nothing else.

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Comment by whyoung
2011-08-02 10:50:07

I like the ACE stores for more or less the same reasons… they have the feel of an old-fashioned neighborhood hardware store.

Ace is a cooperative and the stores are independently owned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_Hardware

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Comment by Elanor
2011-08-02 12:41:35

My local Do It Best (formerly Ace) hardware store is the same way. Why should I drive 6 miles to Menard’s or Home Despot when less than 2 miles away, there is a store where someone can always find exactly what I need? They also make keys, fix screens, rewire lamps etc. They even have a rewards program that saves me money.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 12:47:08

I can never find what I need at Home Despot unless its something really, really generic.

Comment by Robin
2011-08-02 18:24:25

Where is Slim? I imagine she is married to her local ACE! - ;)

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Comment by Steve J
2011-08-02 09:51:52

I am surprised that cutting employee hours did not lead to success.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-02 10:32:03

I’m opening a new business, and will have an IPO soon.

-I have no inventory, and have no inventory to carry/tax.

-I don’t waste money on R&D.

-I have no parasites, aka “Employees”.

-I have an office and a warehouse, free of charge, thanks to the local government buffoons buying them for me with their Industrial Revenue Bonds, business incentives, etc.

-I pay no state and local taxes, thanks to government incentives

I’m issuing a million shares, for starters. I figure my “streamlined/right sized” company is worth about $50/share.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 10:52:58

SteveJ, I’m not surprised. We all know that success comes from more tax breaks.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-02 14:03:14

I can remember going into a Lowes store in October 2006. Place was so dead that it could have been a funeral home.

A year before, during the peak of Tucson’s housing mania, this store was packed. As were our local Home Depots.

To this day, I have not seen our home improvement stores as busy as they were back in the first half of the previous decade.

 
Comment by Pete
2011-08-02 15:05:22

“Back in the day 2000-2005 this place was super busy , now its a half empty most of the time. ”

I would have figured a different outcome in this RE market: More and more people now realize that they’ll have to hang on to their homes for a while. Which means upkeep, however budgeted. I’m sure I’m missing something in the analogy, but the local car repairman is doing better than ever. People aren’t buying many new cars these days, so they’re forced to keep their old ones running, resulting in busy times for the auto-repair business. I know you don’t rely on your house to get you to work, but I would think the same concept applies–you own a thing that’s in your interest to keep in good shape.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-02 10:19:57

Spotlighted on CNN:

A sign of the times:

Seekingarrangement.com: Looking for someone to help you pay off your bills or take a nice vacation?

This site will help you find that sugar daddy/monied cougar that may want to help you out. The only thing you have to do is sleep w/your benefactor. The brainchild behind the website is trying to argue this isn’t prostitution. His argument is he’s making things easier for students and other people in between or w/lower income. Unfortunately one of the CNN “talking heads” is a former US prosecutor who has tried pimps. Yeah, she didn’t give him too much wiggle room. Double barrels.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-02 11:59:33

Nothing new. The usual dating sites are full of people of both sexes that are looking for a little “help”.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-02 10:33:20

OK, scientists. Please remind me again why it’s a good thing I’m dropping $150 on my kid’s mandatory graphing calculator when we were expected to be able to know the how to do it all via paper and pencil?

Do you really believe just knowing how to punch in the math statements is equal to understanding the applications completely?

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 10:43:28

I have been reading that the new trend with public schools is to issue every kid a new iPad. Pretty grandiose spending for a BROKE-A$$ COUNTRY! Gimme a break.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 11:01:05

Where the heck are they doing that? I just had to spend a wad buying my son books for his AP classes. The PCs in the labs still have CRTs.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 11:12:27
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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 11:44:21

At Lake Minneola High School, administrators used capital funding to pay for 1,750 iPads, which cost about $700,000.

This must be one gold plated school district if they have 700K laying around like that. In our district one of the high schools had to do fundraisers to get their pool repaired. It took years to raise the money, meanwhile their studends had to use the pools at the other high schools.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-02 11:46:36

And if they’re getting them to replace books, why not use a kindle or a nook? They’re much cheaper (but less cool than an iPad). I’ll bet Amazon or B&N would give them to schools for nearly free.

 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 11:57:34

Its beyond retarded. You just know the kids will abuse them, drop them, break them, steal them, as well as watch porn all day in class. What a stupid idea…

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-02 11:25:52

Hey CRT’s are great for the serious gamers, no lag time…

And i just bought a 23″ HP LCD monitor, but i kinda miss my 19″ because crt are square and this wide with distorts images….oh well it still saves me over 120 watts….should be about $9-10 a month in electricity savings

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Comment by rms
2011-08-02 22:20:57

You’ll need a higher-end video card to get all of that screen real estate in sharp clarity.

 
 
 
Comment by Kim
2011-08-02 12:39:37

“I have been reading that the new trend with public schools is to issue every kid a new iPad.”

Two (failing, according to NCLB) schools not far from me just got awarded a grant whereby every third through sixth grader and their teachers will be getting an iPad. These schools are failing not for lack of technology, but because many of the kids don’t speak English. Perhaps the iPads can teach them?

I overheard some parents talking about this one day at the pool. They sounded pea green with envy. I just didn’t feel that way, because, at the end of the day, an iPad doesn’t make up for the fact that your kid still has to attend a failing school.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-02 10:48:48

Those things are the worst of both worlds. For small calculations it’s easier to use a basic scientific calculator, for larger calculations it’s easier to go to Mathcad or Excel on the laptop. Anything in-between has a such lousy user interface that you spend more time figuring out the programming.

Last time I checked, they didn’t allow programmable calculators for the engineering exams (FE/EIT PE) anyway.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-02 12:43:12

The good thing is that they are cheap. In the late ’70s would be more like $1000.

I did my educational training with a slide rule.

 
Comment by cactus
2011-08-02 13:50:43

OK, scientists. Please remind me again why it’s a good thing I’m dropping $150 on my kid’s mandatory graphing calculator when we were expected to be able to know the how to do it all via paper and pencil?’

calculator is way faster this is handy during a test

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-02 16:57:52

First off, we cannot eve tell you why it is good that you have a kid, much less that you are buying stuff.

BTW, does anyone even use a pencil anymore? Thoreau would be proud.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-02 15:32:29

3 college students stop at a hotel on the way to their spring break destination. They ask the clerk for 1 room for the night, he tells them… That will be $30. They each give the clerk a $10 bill.

The clerk takes the $30 back to the register and the manager tells him… That room is only $25. The clerk thinks to himself… How am I going to split $5 three ways?

So he decides to give each of the 3 students $1 and put $2 in his pocket.

The clerk gives each student $1 so that now each of them put in $9 for the room. The clerk kept $2.

But wait!

Students $9 x 3 = $27 + Clerk $2 = $29

Where did the other $1 go?

I need a calculator!

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-02 16:56:05

9 x 3 - 2 = 25 silly.

So he ripped off the students but not his manager.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-02 17:07:24

“9 x 3 - 2 = 25 silly.”

Yes I know.

Tell that to people and ask… where did the other dollar go? And most will look at you and say… I don`t know, where did it go?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-02 22:02:24

“Do you really believe just knowing how to punch in the math statements is equal to understanding the applications completely?”

I hope you don’t mind my indulging in a tiny bit of immodesty, but just for fun, I have the Educational Testing Service send me a daily SAT practice question. So far I have worked every math question they have sent me, over the course of six or so months, in my head, around thirty seconds max per question, sans calculator, pencil, or paper. And I always get the right answer.

I have a math degree or two, and no math professor who ever taught me suggested that knowing how to punch in math statements to a calculator is somehow tantamount to insight.

 
 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 10:39:54

Oh no! My Zillow shares are worth almost half of what I paid for them last week. I guess there is some symbolic correlation with actual house values and Zestimates…

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-02 12:36:41

At least my Pandora is still… oh, wait.

When in LinkedIn heading for the fall? Oh, yeah. Can’t allow that. Have to keep that inflated so they can roll out the giant Facebook IPO that everyone and God himself is waiting for.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-02 14:07:00

I just the following e-mail from LinkedIn:

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Sign up now and try LinkedIn Premium free for 1 month*

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Your exclusive free trial offer is expiring soon. Sign up today and get 1 month free!

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• Who’s Viewed My Profile: See the full list, learn how they found you, and more.

You’ll also get a lot more including up to 700 profiles per search.

Your free trial offer expires soon so get started today!

I don’t think that any of the above features will make me want to pay for LinkedIn. And I’ll bet that I’m not the only person who thinks so.

Down, down, down goes their stock price…

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-02 10:50:22

Well we’re back below the Eddie line by both measures, and far below the Eddie line on the S&P 500.

We’ll have to see if the PPT can get the Dow back over 12,000.

The NASDAQ us about 2,700. Needless to say it didn’t keep doubling and redoubling the way it did in 1999. That would have brought it to 10,240,000. Of course executive pay and public employee pensions have been locked in based on the fact that this would certainly happen.

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-02 10:53:24

Where the money is coming from and that corporate America pays a lot less in taxes than one might imagine. According to the Government Accountability Office, 57% of U.S. companies doing business in the U.S. paid no federal income taxes for at least one year from 1998 to 2005. For example, in 2009 GE, Bank of America, Citigroup and Valero did not pay any taxes on income. (See: GE Paid Less in Taxes Than You Last Year, Says The New York Times)

On top of that the authors found it “quite astonishing” to learn that 83 of the largest 100 U.S. companies have overseas tax havens. In 2007, Citigroup had 427 subsidiaries in foreign tax havens, Morgan Stanley had 273, New Corps had 152, Bank of America had 115, and Procter & Gamble 83.

And get this, there is one single address in the Cayman Islands that is home to 19,000 corporations as their home address — tiny P.O. boxes!

Big Payday for CEOs

While corporate profits remain high, the good times continue to roll in for some of the wealthiest people in corporate America.

In the book, the authors also focus on the incredible disparity between workers’ pay and the big paydays awarded to some of the country’s top CEOs.

Check out this comparison! In 2009, the Oracle CEO Larry Ellison received total compensation of $57 billion dollars. The equivalent of the combined salary of 1,772 average workers or 3,767 minimum-wage earners!

finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/corporate-america-pays-lot-less-taxes-think-125020207.html?sec=topStories&pos=4&asset=&ccode=

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-02 14:53:02

Wow, that reporter can’t do math. If Ellison indeed got $57 Billion and let’s say for ease of the calculation that the average worker makes $57 K, then Ellison makes as much as ONE MILLION WORKERS.

I’m thinking Ellison got $57 Million, the wages of 1,000 workers in my calculation and 1,772 in the reporter’s calculation.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2011-08-02 19:19:36

A couple of years I read a little about the development of relational database technology back in the late sixties. The funding for that project was split roughly fifty-fifty between IBM and the federal government. I don’t think that the Oracle corporation ever had to reimburse the taxpayers of this country for the money that they spent developing the technology that their main product is based on.

Thus, Larry Ellison is one of the biggest welfare queens in history, along with Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc. Yet somehow that fact generates none of the anger that is directed towards Section 8 recipients, etc.

 
 
Comment by butters
2011-08-02 10:53:29

Dow below 12000.

Have to hand it to Jithner and the banksters. Jithner threatened the market to crash if not for a raise in debt limit. Now he and the banksters got what they wanted, they are still crashing it. Come on, live up to your end of the deal, even for a few days……

Comment by wmbz
2011-08-02 11:00:57

Don’t worry the wall streeters are burning up the phone lines lobbying hard to grad some of the new trillions in free money. They’ll get their mitts on a big chunk, to be sure. Party on!

 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 11:19:55

Fear not. Now that Obama has signed, the new $hundreds of billions can quickly make their way into the stock market just like they were supposed to.

 
 
Comment by rms
2011-08-02 12:10:28

Countrywide –> BAC Home Loan Servicing –> B of A, N.A.

Balance Due (10/2008): $68,400

Balance Due (08/2011): $4,868

Next Payment Due (12/2011).

 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-08-02 12:12:50

An illustrative example of identifying the real cause of a phenomenon:

Whenever I’d wear a particular jacket - my heavy winter coat - I noticed that I’d get nasty shocks when getting out of my car. I chalked it up to my coat rubbing on my seats. I talked about it with a friend of mine. She said, no, it’s the dryness in the air. I thought, maybe, but it’s more the jacket.

So, today, it’s really dry here. A rare event. And, I’m getting electric shocks from touching things! It hasn’t happened in a very long time, Mid-Atlantic summers being quite humid.

The Point - the coat and the static shocks went hand-in-hand. I thought it was the coat causing the phenomenon, but I only broke out the coat when it was cold and, thus dry. And it was the dryness causing the phenomenon.

Bringing this back around to finance: I think it is really the underlying debt markets that are causing the rising prices in many markets financed by debt. Real Estate, student loans, cars (also caused by a devalued dollar), etc.

It seems to me that the primary thing that debt does, is to add another middleman to the purchase price. And that just extracts more wealth from the populace and concentrates in the hands of a few. And when the market for debt goes bubbly, it just raises purchase prices even more, concentrating wealth even further.

Getting debt markets under control will create a more heterogeneous, shock-resistant economy by not tying up so much wealth in a few areas, and it will lead to less income inequality, as it is the wealthy who are usually less reliant on using debt to finance purchases, and thus lose less money from debt.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-08-02 13:36:05

My money market is paying out .35% annually. Every month when the statement comes, I roll around on the bed on phat stacks o’ cash.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-02 12:32:22

You can count on BB to come through with a nice fat QE-3. Once the “unexpected” realization hits, that we are heading right back into a recession. We’re gonna need a bigger boat.

ITEM: Fed May Weigh More Stimulus on Slow Recovery (Bloomberg)

Federal Reserve policy makers may start weighing additional steps to prop up the recovery after growth fell below 1 percent in the first half of this year and economists began cutting second-half growth forecasts.

“At a minimum, the FOMC will have a serious debate about the policy options — what they should do, and what they expect to get from it,” said Roberto Perli, a former associate director in the Fed’s Division of Monetary Affairs, referring to the Federal Open Market Committee. “Growth in the first half was dangerously close to zero,” said Perli, director of policy research at International Strategy & Investment Group.

The FOMC will meet Aug. 9 in Washington after the government marked down its measure of economic growth to annual rates of 0.4 percent in the first quarter and 1.3 percent in the second, casting doubt on the Fed’s June outlook of 2.7 percent to 2.9 percent growth for this year. A gauge of U.S. manufacturing, a main engine for the expansion, slumped last month to the lowest level in two years.

Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said in congressional testimony in July that the Fed may take new action if the economy stalls, including beginning a third round of bond purchases. The central bank could also cut the interest rate it pays banks on excess reserves and pledge to hold its assets at a record high and interest rates at record lows for a longer period, he said.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-02 12:43:52

The wages and benefits of the middle class and poor can be allowed to fall relative to inflation, to increase “competitiveness.”

But of asset values are decreasing, we’ve got a crisis. Even though at this point most people don’t have assets.

And factoring in federal, state and local debts and pension obligations (and not even considering Social Security and Medicare, which theoretically come with benefits as well as liabilities) virtually every child in the U.S. is born with a negative net worth.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-02 13:48:30

I just hope they wait a month. This whole debt ceiling debacle caused most people and businesses to pause for the month of July, leading to the crappy recent numbers. Q1 GDP growth can’t be so easily explained away. However, Q2 was supposedly better. Let’s see how August goes (and probably September).

The frustrating thing for me is that we are in this never-neverland of policy.

1. If you cut immediately as the tea party wanted, we are plunged into a recession simply by virtue of the reduction in spending.

2. If you don’t cut enough or tax too much (Dems for the most part), anything that can be traded on foreign markets continues be expensive as the dollar stays weak, taxing all Americans.

We got #2.

The best idea was #3: Simpson Bowles–big deal, credibly spread out over a LONG time.

If #3 happened, the rest of the world takes the dollar seriously again, the Fed doesn’t need QE3 to keep rates low, all dollar denominated goods get cheaper, helping out the US domestic economy at the expense of multi-national corporations.

Why, oh why didn’t people push for #3?!?!?!

Very frustrated where I sit…

 
 
Comment by michael
2011-08-02 12:35:28

“When the Divine Dozen are named, it will lead “to the emergence of a pack of superlobbyists who will have access to those members” and who can try to protect clients from the carnage, said Democratic consultant David Di Martino.”

if i was one of the Divine Dozen i would publicly state that any lobbyists that call my office will be cut first…without review.

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-02 12:51:09

From Bob Pasini of CNBC:

“With the global outlook for growth coming down, it sure looks like we need more global coordination. The Big Four global powers (China, the EU, the U.S. and Standard and Poor’s — ahem) will all have to get on the same page. What’s that mean?

John Maynard Keynes, phone home: the traditional response is that there is not enough money in the system. It needs to reliquify.

This will argue for more stimulus. We are coming up on the one year anniversary of Jackson Hole, where Mr. Bernanke inaugurated QE2, the second round of quantitative easing. There is the opportunity.”

The problem isn’t that there is not enough money. The problem is that the money that there is, isn’t going to the right places.

We need the rich to pay wages to people that will spend it, so that it can end up back in the hands of the rich, who will pay more wages to people that will spend it…. You know, the old “keep the money moving” school of econmics.

Of course, this was replaced with the, We need the rich to loan money to the poor people, so the poor can spend it, so that it can end up back in the hands of the rich that can find new and innovative ways to loan it to the poor(real estate bubble), who will spend it, so that…

Of course, that went kaput when the poor got maxxed out, and fraud grew to the point of being the norm instead of the exception.

Okay, the rich don’t want to use thier money to pay wages, and they don’t want to keep loaning it to people that can’t/won’t pay it back.

Is it possible, just possible, that we’ve reached the end of Supply Side economics? That just printing making the rich, richer in hopes they will choose to spend it or loan it, just isn’t working? Is it, maybe, just maybe, to get some of that money out of the hands of the rich and get it into the hands of the people that really want jobs, but just can’t find one?

Is it time to stop trying to make us all richer by lowering our wages and benifits? Is it possible that corporate profits should not, in fact, the be-all, end-all goal of all of our economic policies?

Perhaps government should be on the side of labor, at constant war with wealth disparity, instead of on the side of the rich, waging war on the middle class.

Man, I am SOOOOO out of touch.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-02 12:58:43

“Is it possible, just possible, that we’ve reached the end of Supply Side economics?”

The failed theory of supply side was self evident 30 years ago.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-02 20:54:55

Is it possible, just possible, that we’ve reached the end of Supply Side economics? That just printing making the rich, richer in hopes they will choose to spend it or loan it, just isn’t working? Is it, maybe, just maybe, to get some of that money out of the hands of the rich and get it into the hands of the people that really want jobs, but just can’t find one?

+1

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-02 13:48:25

Gonna need to fire up the bailout pumps again soon.

ITEM: Italy under fire in widening euro debt crisis

ROME (Reuters) - Financial market pressure on Italy intensified on Tuesday, sucking Europe’s second biggest debtor nation deeper into the euro area danger zone and prompting emergency consultations in Rome and among European capitals.

Italian and Spanish bond yields hit their highest levels in 14 years, with five-year Italian yields reaching the same level as Spain’s in a sign Rome is overtaking Madrid as a key focus of investors’ concern about debt sustainability.

Italy’s stock index fell 2.5 percent to its lowest in more than 27 months, dragged down by banks that have heavy exposure to Italian debt. European shares hit a 9-month low amid worries that slowing economic growth will make it even harder to overcome the euro zone’s debt troubles.

“The fear of the market is that the world is going into recession again … and in the euro zone the peripheral markets are the ones that will suffer most,” said Alessandro Giansanti, strategist at ING in Amsterdam.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-08-02 14:07:48

Get your cash out of banks. I have only the bare minimum to cover utilites and the next mortgage payment. The rest is under the matress. The FDIC will be overwhelmed by the next crisis and chances for another bailout are slim to none.
If we would have let the banks go under in 2008 we would be well on our way to recovery now. We cheated death that time but I think we ran out of tricks.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-02 15:03:33

Mike,

It might take them a couple of weeks to get some paper delivered to your bank, but there isn’t much chance of your deposit (or your debts) being wiped off the books. What the money will be worth is another question. Remember, the Fed just conjured up $16 Trillion to hand out to banks outside the US. Not out of tricks. On the personal level, you’d best not flash much around if everybody else is without.

I could see credit cards being useless in a crisis, easily.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-02 13:54:00

Commercial-Mortgage Late Payments a Record
(Bloomberg)

Late payments on commercial mortgages bundled and sold as bonds rose the most in more than 12 months, adding to concern that the market is deteriorating three years after the financial crisis choked off funding to borrowers.

Delinquencies on the debt jumped 51 basis points in July to a record 9.88 percent, according to real estate data provider Trepp LLC. The increase follows two months of declines, the New York-based firm said today in a statement. The jump is partly because of how loan servicers report mortgages that are in foreclosure, Trepp said.

“Much of the positive momentum that had been surrounding the CMBS market recently has now all but vanished in the past few weeks,” according to the statement from Trepp.

Borrowers are falling behind on payments as a revival in new debt sales stumbles after investors pushed back on deal terms. Wall Street banks sold $3 billion in commercial mortgage- backed securities last month at the highest yields since issuance resumed in November 2009 and Standard & Poor’s exacerbated market turmoil by withdrawing rankings last week on new deals.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 14:59:49

That’s consistent with a Recovery, right?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-02 15:19:06

I’m sure most folks don’t know why, or don’t care or are to busy trying to earn a buck to understand why this is happening at an increasingly fast clip.

~ Clipped from The 5Min Forecast.

For its part, South Korea — the world’s seventh-largest holder of U.S. dollars reserves — reacted to the “agreement” by announcing the Bank of Korea has tripled gold holdings over the past two months.

The $1.25 billion purchase is the first addition to Korean gold holdings since the Asian financial crisis of the late 1990s.

Thailand also made an announcement today. They added $900 million to their gold stash in June.

“The trend,” says the Financial Times, “means central banks, sovereign wealth funds and other so-called ‘official sector’ buyers are on track to record their largest collective purchase of gold since the collapse of the Bretton Woods system, which pegged the value of the dollar to gold, in 1971.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-02 15:27:02

Cool another “program” moochers and gubmint worshipers can fall in love with.

Free cell phones are now a civil right
Abby W. Schachter - http://www.nypost.com

Pennsylvanians on public assistance now have a new ‘civil right’ — free cell phones. Meanwhile, the rest of us get to pay higher cell bills as a result.

Recently, a federal government program called the Universal Service Fund came to the Keystone State and some residents are thrilled because it means they can enjoy 250 minutes a month and a handset for free, just because they don’t have the money to pay for it. Through Assurance Wireless and SafeLink from Tracfone Wireless these folks get to reach out and touch someone while the cost of their service is paid for by everyone else. You see, the telecommunications companies are funding the Universal Service Fund to the tune of $4 billion a year because the feds said they have to and in order to recoup their money, the companies turn around and hike their fees to paying customers. But those of use paying for the free service for the poor, should be happy about this infuriating situation, says Gary Carter, manager of national partnerships for Assurance, because “the program is about peace of mind.” Free cell service means “one less bill that someone has to pay, so they can pay their rent or for day care…it is a right to have peace of mind,” Cater explained.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-02 15:57:14

I can already hear my Pennsylvania-dwelling mother going ballistic over this one. Mom’s 85 years old, has taken great pride in paying her own way, and get this, she’s never, ever felt the need for a cell phone.

As far as she’s concerned, when she’s out and about, that’s what she’s doing. The phone calls can wait until she gets home.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-02 16:52:40

My dad had one (he’d be about the same age now). He always left it turned off. It was there in case he needed to call someone, like for a tow. No need to take calls when he was “doing something”. If I took mine on a fishing trip, I dared not leave the ringer on.

 
 
Comment by Pete
2011-08-02 17:21:39

Oy. I’d support this free plan if the phone could only dial 911.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-02 20:58:48

That rocks. I want to be poor, homeless and hungry too because I’d get a free cellphone. And soup. Maybe.

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-03 00:27:25

There was a time when I was young and single that my only phone was a pay phone outside my door. The world has changed. Pay phones have become very scarce.

There are emergencies that are not 911 emergencies. For example, a child could get sick or injured at school and need a parent to come pick him up.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-02 16:01:48

Grad students will pay more for loans under debt deal

By DOUGLAS HANKS and MICHAEL VASQUEZ
The Miami Herald

Posted: 10:07 a.m. Tuesday, Aug. 2, 2011

Graduate students wound up on the “Loser” list from Washington’s debt deal.

Tucked into the bill that would enact the $2.4 trillion debt-reduction plan is a provision that would force graduate students to pay interest on student loans while they’re still in school. Currently, Washington picks up the interest payments for graduate students while they attend school.

The cut is part of a surprise compromise that preserves tuition payments for low-income college students under the Pell grant program. While Pell grants were expected to take big spending hits next year, they emerged almost fully funded in the debt deal, said Terry Hartle, spokesman for the American Council on Education, which lobbies for colleges and universities.

“It was an outcome that was unimaginable just a couple of weeks ago,” Hartle said. “For Miami Dade College, the budget agreement is good news. It’s not as good of a deal for students, say, at the University of Miami.’’

By forcing graduate students to pay interest while attending school, the federal government should save about $18 billion over the next 10 years, according to the Council’s estimates. The Pell grants will cost about $35 billion next year under the debt deal, down slightly from the current $37 billion funding level.

The changes in graduate-school loans, including those for law school and medical school, would take effect July 1, 2012, so loans taken out before then will remain interest-free during the student’s enrollment, Hartle said.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/grad-students-will-pay-more-for-loans-under-1683998.html?cxtype=rss_news - -

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-02 16:41:41

http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/29SNAPcurrPP.htm

Food stamp usage up 100% in a single month in Alabama, and hitting all-time records nationwide. Luv dat hope ‘n change!

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-02 21:03:05

Food stamp usage up 100% in a single month in Alabama, and hitting all-time records nationwide. Luv dat hope ‘n change!

Sammy, I agree with much of what you say but to relate you’re first sentence above with your last sentence borderlines on moronic. And yu ain’t moronic.

 
 
Comment by Patrick
2011-08-02 16:48:02

Did we, or are we, in a recovery? NO

Corporate profits are up. Until recently WS was almost “normal”.

But the capacity utilization rate for Utilities is down about 10% from “normal”.

Here is the disconnect - the rate for mfg is down only 4% ! While head count is dramatically down fueling 9.2% unemployment.

Of course we are still in a Recession but possibly climbing out of it unless the data is being incorrectly disclosed.

From the above rates it seems like mfg is reporting their cap rates based on “Resales plus domestic mfg”. The methodology of calculating cap rates should disclose this if it is as I think it is.

Funny, when you think that all the offshoring to average down costs is now history - it’s all offshored !

Tariffs around North America, forced repatriation of profits at full tax rates, trade on equal terms, - we need to protect the largest market in the world - we have the market that others want.

Why are we giving it away?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-02 21:05:31

Why are we giving (our American market) away?

We gave it away so our 1% could make 300% more. (and to hell with the rest)

 
 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-02 17:03:35

Some guys on a motocycle racing forum (I race bikes with this organization ) started a thread about being upside-down on their houses. I thought hbb readers might find it interesting to eavesdrop on candid thoughts about the coutry by guys who seem to be innocent victims of the housing bubble:

http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=289606

Comment by rms
2011-08-02 22:12:08

Interesting thread. Thanks!

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-02 20:27:57

Super Congress? The disregard for the constitution is not subtle. Are these “Presidential” clowns required to read the constitution before swearing an oath to uphold it? Congress Critters? We live in an occupied country, is the feeling I have lately.

Comment by Itsabouttime
2011-08-02 22:05:03

“Are these “Presidential” clowns required to read the constitution before swearing an oath to uphold it?”

Of course not. Bush went to court to argue they should stop counting the votes. A person should be immediately disqualified from office — regardless of their party — for making such an argument, for the first rule of democracy is every vote counts. Arguing that vote counting should stop before it was completed was the second sign Bush did not care about the constitution, and every patriot should have stood against him when he did that.

(The first being the chicanery around nominating Cheney for vice president — a Texan — in violation of the constitution. A president and vice president cannot come from the same state. So, they just changed Cheney to a Montanan.)

These two acts were just the first two of dozens. Sadly, Obama has continued some of the same despicable constitution-busting policies.

It is not enough that the wealthy write the rules; we can’t even hope that after writing them to slant completely in their favor in any situation they can imagine, they still can’t even be expected to respect them.

IAT

 
 
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