August 4, 2011

Didn’t We Hear That Last Year?

The Tooele Transcript Bulletin reports from Utah. “Home prices are down drastically from the same period a year ago. The median sales price fell from $169,000 in the second quarter of 2010 to $135,956 in the second quarter of 2011, a 19.5 percent drop. Chris Sloan, broker for Group1 Real Estate Tooele, is not surprised by the increase in foreclosures. ‘It is a natural function of the economy. Tooele is following the national trend,’ said Sloan. ‘Most of the sales I have seen have had a bank involved.’”

“‘I believe that home values have stabilized,’ said Toni Goodsell, president of the Tooele County Board of Realtors. ‘But foreclosures brought the median price down. I don’t know when we will see the end of short sales and foreclosures. It may take two years before the market gets back to the levels it was before the recession.’”

The Salt Lake Tribune in Utah. “The Salt Lake Board of Realtors released its second-quarter report Tuesday, and home values and sales still aren’t headed in the right direction.’The housing market is just fragile and extremely weak,’ said James Wood, director of University of Utah’s Bureau of Economic and Business Research, who reviewed the data.”

“Wood and other forecasters had thought that enough jobs would have been created by now to jump-start the housing market and help compensate for the large volume of foreclosures and other distressed properties. But that hasn’t happened. About one-third or more of home sales along the Wasatch Front involve properties that are distressed in one way or another, Wood said. ‘People who don’t need to buy or sell right now are waiting on the sidelines,’ Wood said. ‘We’re just not used to houses being a depreciating asset.’”

“In addition to weak job growth and the large volume of distressed properties, another factor putting downward pressure on home prices is buyers who want to drive a hard bargain as a hedge against future price declines. ‘Consumers are still buying,’ said DeAnna Dipo, president of the Board of Realtors. ‘But when they do buy, they want the bargain of the century.’”

My Fox Phoenix in Arizona. “While the foreclosure rate has slowed, home values are still in the dumps and that’s forcing a lot of people to re-think their retirements. ‘At what age were you thinking you would be able to retire before the housing market crisis..we were thinking five years ago we would be able to retire in 10, now it’s gonna be 20, 25,’ said Martin Huber.”

“Huber pictured an exotic destination, maybe Costa Rica for his retirement, but instead, the 57-year-old is about to begin a new job as a chemistry teacher. ‘When you’re just treading water, every little thing hurts.’”

“Huber and his wife are paying two mortgages, though they were close to paying off their house five years ago. Instead they invested in three rental properties and now they’re having a tough time finding solid renters. ‘The disappointment is in putting your nest egg into a losing investment that is really disappointing we have to work really hard to keep them above ground,’ said Martin.”

“Experts say Huber is part of a growing trend - baby boomers upside down on their mortgages - some have even spent their retirement money just to stay in their homes. ‘The house was supposed to be the nice stable investment that always went up in value..rarely came down..one of the investments you can live in and enjoy - that went away,’ said Arizona State University real estate professor Dr. Jay Butler.”

The Arizona Daily Star. “With residential construction having slowed to a crawl, no job is too small for Tucson homebuilders nowadays. This year it’s likely that no more than 1,700 permits for new-home construction will be issued in the Tucson area, experts who track the residential market say. By contrast, in 2005, when homebuilding peaked, builders took out more than 11,000 such permits.”

“‘It’s certainly a sign of the times when homebuilders are looking for continuing opportunities’ outside their core business, said David Godlewski, president of the Southern Arizona Home Builders Association.”

The Yuma Sun in Arizona. “Just under half of all Arizona mortgages were ‘underwater’ in spring of this year, the second-highest percentage in the nation, according to a report from CoreLogic. Derek Egeberg, branch manager of Yuma’s Academy Mortgage, pointed out that if homeowners bought their homes between 2006 and 2009, ‘then there’s a good chance they’re underwater.’ ‘When they say half of the home mortgages are underwater, you have to keep in mind that half of Arizonans are not selling their homes today,’ he explained.”

“However, Egeberg also agrees being underwater is good or bad depending on the homeowner’s perspective. ‘Being underwater only hurts if you’re looking to refinance or sell. For the person trying to sell a home, it’s pretty horrible,’ he said. ‘If a homeowner is looking to refinance and they bought the house three to five years ago, that could be very difficult.’”

“In addition, ‘for the investor who bought a home as speculation and thought he could sell it quickly, being underwater is more of a concern,’ Egeberg said. ‘I personally am underwater, but my family and I are not planning to leave anytime soon,’ he said. ‘If you’re not planning to move, then you have nothing to worry about. Do I like being underwater? Absolutely not. But I have the same payment and the same debt I took out when I bought the home.’”

Northern Nevada Business Weekly. “The recent sales of the Waterford Apartments and Waterstone condominiums in Sparks don’t necessarily point to a full-fledged return to strong markets for real estate investment, but they do represent a significant stirring in what’s been an extremely weak market the past few years. Prior to those sales, the last significant apartment transaction to occur in northern Nevada was the $56 million sale of the 450-unit Montebello apartments on Summit Ridge in Reno in late 2008.”

“Ken Blomsterberg, a first VP of investments with Marcus and Millichap’s Roseville, Calif., office who brokers deals in Reno, says apartment properties that aren’t distressed have begun to surface as well. Sellers have refrained from listing big apartments or condo projects for sale because of the negative perception that the property must be distressed, he says, but a crop of recent listings from private parties, such as a large complex in northwest Reno, point to a shift in the market.”

“Floyd Rowley, senior VP of investments with Johnson Group, agrees that Reno might be on more investors’ radar screens due to high pricing in coastal markets. However, Rowley notes, the majority of broker price opinions he’s done the past few years have been on properties purchased during the peak of the real estate boom, and many of those owners are still licking their wounds.”

“Most sales that are forthcoming still will be lender-owned properties, Rowley says. ‘The traditional owner-sellers are not in the market. It is still the lenders who are compelled or want to sell for some internal reason.’”

KTVN Reno in Nevada. “At the corner of South D’Andrea Parkway and Lessini Drive sits the ’stonehedge’ of Reno’s housing bubble. Built years ago for a neighborhood never built, it’s just one of many mini ghost towns scattered around town. After six years, is this finally the bottom? Rob Dunbar of Ryder Homes told us, ‘The general mood is we’re close to the bottom.’ Didn’t we hear that last year? ‘We keep hearing it every year.’”

“The industry is still fighting the foreclosure fight. In the June 2011 Reno/Sparks Association of Realtors Market Report, ‘bank-owned’ sales held the dominant share of the market with 41% of closings. Short sales and bank-owned homes took a towering 60% of new listings in June. And notices of default in June are also up over May.”

From Vegas Inc in Nevada. “You’re doing a disservice to your readers, the caller tells me. I’m confused at first because the reader references a survey I wrote about that stated Nevada real estate agents predict prices will decline over the next six months. It’s not about that, the caller says. It’s about how I’ve quoted local housing analysts who were wrong about the housing market’s price decline of more than 60 percent. ”

“The criticism began July 2006 when I took over as real estate reporter for In Business Las Vegas, the former incarnation of VEGAS INC. Initially, the complaints about my reporting came from Realtors, housing executives and others because, according to them, I was being overly negative when the Las Vegas housing market was booming.”

“It didn’t get much better in December 2006 when I wrote my 2007 preview saying the housing outlook was grim because of foreclosures. In early 2007, I wrote several stories about foreclosures and predictions of major price declines, including some national analysts saying it would be 30 to 40 percent over time. Prices didn’t start dropping in large measure until 2008.”

“That’s not the 60 percent that ultimately happened in the Great Recession, but at least people who were thinking of buying and selling had an idea of what might happen. Only readers of the print version of In Business Las Vegas would have known the full picture I covered about the housing market. So when someone calls me today and says I did a disservice to the reader, it makes me think back to when people were saying the same thing about how overly negative my coverage was.”

“I covered the housing market exactly the way the housing market should’ve been covered. I simply shed light on what was to come. I can only give readers accurate information and leave it to them to make decisions based on it. I don’t think that’s a disservice. Quite the opposite, actually.”




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Comment by combotechie
2011-08-04 06:44:49

“… some have even spent their retirement money just to stay in their homes.”

This was “buffer money”, money that buffered and slowed the full impact of vanishing wealth on the economy. When the buffer money finally vanishes from the economy the full force of the contraction will begin to be felt.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-04 07:04:48

It seems to me that much of the “wealth” in the economy is actually debts owed by other people.

All that “wealth” could vanish and we would still have the same housing, plant and equipment, and infrastructure as before.

And maybe that has to happen.

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-04 07:10:53

Right. Too many people confuse money with wealth. Wealth is hard assets that do not depend on other people’s ability to repay. Money is someone elses promise to repay.

Comment by The_Overdog
2011-08-04 07:59:59

Money is not someone else’s promise to repay. That’s called a loan. money is what you receive when that person who’s made the promise to repay has made good on at least part of that promise.

Also wealth is hard assets, but every asset depends on someone else’s ability or desire to purchase it, unless you are the army or the government. That’s kind of what makes it wealth.

They are not confusing money and wealth, they are counting their assets at wishing value and their debts at ‘i won the lottery’ value.

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Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-04 09:53:21

Money is created when someone borrows it ito existance. A bond, a bank account, a security, the balance on a whole life policy… all “money”, and all dependant on someone eleses ability to pay. Currency is a tiny segment of “money” and about the only piece that is not directly dependant on someone’s ability to pay.

Wealth only needs a buyer, if you intend to sell it. If you own a house, then you don’t need someone to buy it off of you for you to be able to live in it. Owning a car is wealth because you don’t need someone to buy it off of you for you to be able to dirve it (or live in it).

Stock in a company is wealth because you own a share of the company’s next assets… You own a share of that factory, and those delivery vehicles, and the patents and copyrighted materials, whether or not somone wants to buy them… Of course, the problem with many companies is that their net worth, if you had to mark their assets to market, are negative.

Yes, it is nice to be able to find a buyer for your wealth should you want to convert that wealth into money to more easily exchange it for other goods and services, but your ownership of that wealth is not dependant on finding a buyer.

I laugh at the TV commercials that claim Gold is an investment with no counter party risk. Ummmm… Unless you plan on living in that gold, or eating that gold, or driving aroud in that gold or wearing that gold or vacationing in that gold, then you have to find someone willing to trade goods and services for that gold, and that someone is a counter-party. Don’t get me wrong. It may soon be easier to find people that are willing to swap gold for food than people willing to accept $s for food. However, to claim their is no counter-party is just flat out lying.

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-04 12:20:23

All that “wealth” could vanish and we would still have the same housing, plant and equipment, and infrastructure as before.

And maybe that has to happen.

Exactly. The debt, dollars and currency dance is all jive when the rubber meets the road. This is the dirty secret bankers don’t want you to know. Why? Because it’s a secret OK?

Would a “collapse” hurt for awhile? Sure why not? Would it be the end of the world? No way Jose.

Brazilian currency collapsed 4 times from 86-96 or something like that. Look at them today. They’re fine. This debt dance is all to protect the bankers and the super rich.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-04 12:25:43

This debt dance is all to protect the bankers and the super rich.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

Democratic Party, are you listening?

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Comment by dude
2011-08-04 07:42:10

‘buffer money’

So true, and I hear story after story about greatest generation grandparent and/or boomer parent who have stepped in and squandered the nest egg to help J6P stave off foreclosure. Many of these stories come out of family and friends in Utahrr.

I sometimes comment to acquaintances that I believe the collective wealth of the Mormon community is being downgraded by this bubble collapse, if only because of greater resistance to take the logical step of default. Between granny and the embarrassment of foreclosure I think one can explain why Utahhr has held up as long as it has despite the California money ceasing to flow.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-08-04 08:42:23

That may explain part of things, but I one of the reasons Utah has faired (relatively) better than other cities in the surrounding region is that the employment situation is also (relatively) better here. The economy is not totally based on housing growth and building.

That said, conspicuous consumption is still alive and well here, and I can assure you it’s not just the LDS folks. Like $40-50K SUVs for a family cleaning service business vehicle, etc, etc. We all know the drill.

I should also mention that the Downtown/Upper Sugarhouse/Foothill areas are still clinging on to fantasy buble pricing, but the cracks in the pricing veneer are starting to appear, even in those areas.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-08-04 11:26:35

“Utahrr”

Sigh…

 
 
 
Comment by Montana
2011-08-04 06:56:51

Stonehedge? How apt.

Comment by Montana
2011-08-04 06:58:02

or rather, inapt in this case.

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-04 07:12:19

My biggest concern with $77K houses and $23K condos in my neighborhood is the quality of neighbor I’m likely to get at those prices.

Comment by scdave
2011-08-04 07:22:53

Exactly Darrell…A investor, particularly a out of town investor will not do much vetting of a new tenant…Just pay me the rent…

 
Comment by doom
2011-08-04 07:59:33

Expect loud music, several beater cars around the house, police drive buys, and hope they don’t put up Xmas lights because they are never coming down unless a storm pulls them off sorry but that is the facts of cheap prices.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-04 09:30:38

Had a case of that two houses away. Backgrounder:

Guy owns the property next to mine, and it has two houses on it. I’ve never met the owner, but the neighborhood association officers have warned me to steer clear of him because he’s such a…

…piece of work.

Well, last September a “for sale” sign popped up next door. Great! The POW is selling out! Perhaps someone nice will buy the place. And give it the TLC it’s needed for many, many years.

That “for sale” sign disappeared in mid-November. And Mr. POW still owns the property.

Right before the disappearance of the “for sale” sign, a bunch of louts moved into the house that’s two houses east of mine. They’d just sit in the back yard, smoking the days and nights away. One of them had a smoker’s hack that was so loud that it awoke me from a sound sleep more than once. He also had one of those creepy, Charles Manson-like wild-eyed expressions.

I felt like I had to be on my guard every time I walked or biked past that place. Especially after that fine morning when I saw one of them relieving himself against the side of the house. I didn’t see anything, ahem, personal, but it was quite obvious what he was doing in full view of our street.

Then there was the old mattresses, junked furniture, trash bags and other stuff that was left in the back yard. Everyone going up and down our street could see that.

Enter our neighborhood association’s Quality of Life Committee. Which consists of me, an 88-year-old lady, and that lady’s 68-year-old son. Taken together, the three of us are the squeakiest wheels in Tucson.

We started complaining to the city council ward office, the city code enforcement, the police, and anyone else we could get a hold of.

Now, we’d been told that this place was some sort of halfway house, but we sure weren’t notified before it plopped down in our midst. And we pointed that out to the city. More than once, in fact.

This past Mother’s Day, I was out working in my fenced-in back yard. I heard shouts coming from Loutsville, and I peered through my fence to see what was going on. It was Mr. POW having words with his loutish tenants. I figured that they wouldn’t be in our nabe much longer.

On July 4th, the crummy old shed in the back yard of Loutsville was picked up by a storm wind and blown into the yard of my next-door neighbor to the east. Mind you, this neighbor is a real sweetheart. One of the nicest people around here, and I felt sorry for him, what with having those louts to the east of his place.

The shed remnants were removed and taken away. And a new shed was constructed. But I noticed that the louts weren’t putting their junque in it. Said junque was still out in the yard, for all of us to admire.

So, Slim makes another complaint to the city council ward office, which has had Code Enforcement on speed dial over this whole fiasco. The other two members of the QOL Committee were on vacation. And I wanted to get things cleaned up before they returned. Because if things were still a mess, I’d hear an earful from those two. Oh, would I ever!

Well, this past Monday, I got an e-mail from the city council ward office. The landlord had just notified my ward office contact person that the louts have moved out! Woo-hoo!

In short, it pays to be a persistent squeaky wheel.

 
 
Comment by Eggman
2011-08-04 10:03:22

For what it’s worth, I live in a Condo in the SF bay area. Back near the height of the bubble, say 2006, I was almost surrounded by section 8 tenants. Now that prices have halved (and are continuing to sag), everything that was for rent has either sold to much nicer people or changed hands and been rented to much nicer tenants. We’re actually over 50% rental right now, not a good thing for sellers, but the view on the street is that all of the problems have moved elsewhere.

And before you start dissin’ condos. A) I never raided my equity. I’m doing fine, and B) that homeowners nut takes care of a LOT of things for me and I don’t even have to arrange any of the work.

 
Comment by Max Power
2011-08-04 12:59:56

I’m in Phoenix too and that’s always been my primary argument for buying a house with some land and in an area with other houses that are on some land (at least an acre). Gives you a buffer between you and your neighbor and more importantly it means houses around you are much less likely to be purchased by investors that will rent to anyone that can pay. No guarantees, but it’s worked for me so far.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-04 13:50:09

Don’t worry Darrell, you’ll be saved by 20% down. Yokels can’t put 10 cents together, much less $4K or so by the time you add in fees…

 
 
Comment by scdave
2011-08-04 07:20:14

Good info from Nevada…Thanks Ben…

Comment by Montana
2011-08-04 09:15:28

I wonder how things are in Elko and Winnemucca.

Comment by b-hamster
2011-08-04 12:43:04

A friend who lived in Reno told me “Reno is so close to hell that you can see Sparks.”

After spending my share of time in Reno, I didn’t disagree.

Comment by Joe
2011-08-04 14:07:42

I used to live in Lake Tahoe. Reno was for Costco runs, and that’s about all.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-04 19:19:30

Are you a fish?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by doom
2011-08-04 08:03:20

Banks continue to refuse to release foreclosure property this is in their best interest thus housing will continue a downward trend and neighborhoods will be in disaray for sometime.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-04 09:59:13

Just as one bank pulls the house across the street from me off the market becuase it would not sell at $77K, the bank that now owns the house next to me has had workers in there repainting. I expect to see that one go on the market and sell to see a real market price of a house in this hood.

And, I’m sure the bank that owns the one next to me has more motivation to sell. They are only on the hook for $110K, not the $260K that was owned on the house across the street when it foreclosed.

I just don’t think anyone can actually aford to book all the losses they are on the hook for.

Holding back foreclosures is not a choice. If they don’t, they may as well just call the FDIC and tell them to come take the bank now.

Comment by Rancher
2011-08-04 17:25:44

Bingo….

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-04 09:34:16

From the original post:

My Fox Phoenix in Arizona. “While the foreclosure rate has slowed, home values are still in the dumps and that’s forcing a lot of people to re-think their retirements. ‘At what age were you thinking you would be able to retire before the housing market crisis..we were thinking five years ago we would be able to retire in 10, now it’s gonna be 20, 25,’ said Martin Huber.”

“Huber pictured an exotic destination, maybe Costa Rica for his retirement, but instead, the 57-year-old is about to begin a new job as a chemistry teacher. ‘When you’re just treading water, every little thing hurts.’”

“Huber and his wife are paying two mortgages, though they were close to paying off their house five years ago. Instead they invested in three rental properties and now they’re having a tough time finding solid renters. ‘The disappointment is in putting your nest egg into a losing investment that is really disappointing we have to work really hard to keep them above ground,’ said Martin.”

To which I say:

I know quite a few people who did the same thing as the Hubers. Including a couple of my cousins.

With very few exceptions, they’ve had major problems in the landlord game. Most of which revolve around the seeking of — and retention of — quality tenants.

I feel fortunate in that I have this heavy reading habit. While I was house-hunting, I thought that buying a property that included something that I could rent would help make things affordable.

Reading Leigh Robinson’s book, Landlording, disabused me of any notion that such a thing would happen. Too many problem tenants out there.

 
Comment by redrum
2011-08-04 09:42:29

“However, Egeberg also agrees being underwater is good or bad depending on the homeowner’s perspective.

OK, I’ll bite…. when is it “good”?

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-04 10:01:58

Well, I’m not sure it is ever good, but if you plan on living in the house until you die (or your kids ship you off to an old person storage facility), then being underwater isn’t horrid either.

Comment by Al
2011-08-04 11:01:58

It’s still gotta suck knowing that you were throwing away your money on mortgage payments.

 
 
 
Comment by mikeinbend
2011-08-04 10:36:14

So will Bofa release all 688 foreclosures that they have scheduled to auction off this year in Bend/Redmond, OR? Would that not crash the market, which is very active with investors vying for rentals or flips (on the low end).
We are on the list, so…..

Sold out of the Wasatch front just in time Bought in 2006 for 365k, sold in 2009 for 289k and are happy we did

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-04 10:47:01

Would that not crash the market, which is very active with investors vying for rentals or flips (on the low end).

Methinks that your local investors are going to get a hard lesson in supply and demand. Specifically, they’ll find that there are only so many people looking to rent a house in Bend.

And the same goes for buyers. I can tell you, from the first-hand experience of having purchased a flipped property, that it’s best to be prepared to pay for the repairs and upgrades of things that the flippers didn’t do. Or did improperly.

And I don’t think that there are as many buyers interested in fixing flipper mistakes as there were a decade ago.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2011-08-04 11:20:54

This is off topic, but how ’bout those indexes? Does my heart good to see the Dow where it is.

Palmy say: DOW 8,000 or BUST!

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-08-04 11:52:42

When I look at the Dow today, it both warms my heart and makes me say “Drat!” See, I’ve been getting the urge to start shorting again for the past several months, but one thing or another always got in the way of having time to pay enough attention to do so. So the market’s contortions the past two weeks have left me feeling like I missed a great opportunity… :-P

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-04 12:06:05

I don’t expect DOW 8000 until fall. I expect the PPT to muster whatever props they have left and support the DOW to rally the next six weeks or so. Just wait for all those drought-ridden harvests to NOT come in, more kids to die in Somalia, and more layoffs. THEN the DOW will drop like a rock, just as it has in every other stock market crash.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-04 12:27:46

I’m of the mind that 8k is about all that the DOW is worth. Aren’t P/E’s well above the historic average P/E of 15 right now?

Get those P/E’s back into line with the long-term average, and I’ll be more convinced about the relevance of the stock market. Right now, it’s too much like a bipolar casino.

Comment by palmetto
2011-08-04 13:36:28

I agree with you, oxide. Dow 8000 in the fall, and then the winter of our discontent. I am mindful of the fact that as fast as the market drops, it can rise again, perhaps by the same amount even tomorrow.

Slimmie, your bipolar casino comment is priceless. I have heard Wall Street and the stock market described as casino capitalism and indeed it is. It’s a bunch of traders placing bets and pushing buttons and no longer serves the purpose it was supposed to serve, if it ever did. It is actually irrelevant and ridiculous and will ultimately be the reason that “fiat” money loses its “fiat”, at least as we know it.

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Comment by Patrick
2011-08-04 14:12:08

Palmeto

“It’s a bunch of traders placing bets and pushing buttons and no longer serves the purpose it was supposed to serve”

So true. Too bad so many retirement plans have it as a leg.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-04 16:30:31

Agree, Patrick. Just the other day somebody posted a lament from traders that their high-speed fiber optic trading was limited by the speed of light; they couldn’t trade any faster. That’s right, you masters of the universe! There’s a whole universe of which you are NOT master.

IMO this stuff ought to be taxed. Traders aren’t investing in any kind of fundamentals, they are taking advantage of a regulated system which offers them some protection from corruption, and for that they should pay a teeeeeeny fee on transactions that are held for some teeeny amount of time (like a day or so.)

 
 
Comment by Patrick
2011-08-04 14:07:22

A.Slim

A long term trend line would put the Dow at about 9,000 or so.

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Comment by palmetto
2011-08-04 14:34:00

So could it be that reality will finally find its way into the markets? I have hope.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-04 21:50:05

“…bipolar casino…”

Ho ho, hee hee hee, who hah, har har har,
BwaHahaHHhahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

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Comment by Will
2011-08-04 13:31:24

Consumers are still buying,’ said DeAnna Dipo, president of the Board of Realtors. ‘But when they do buy, they want the bargain of the century.’”

You got it lady, but then it is still a pretty short century.

 
Comment by Larry
2011-08-04 20:37:05

home values and sales still aren’t headed in the right direction.

Depends on who is talking–home”owners” who don’t want to “give it away”, or decades long renters like myself who will eventually be able to buy a house or condo if prices keep dropping.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-04 21:47:52

You get the impression that most MSM writers aren’t renters, as they are always cheerleading for home prices to become ever less affordable.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-04 21:46:35

‘We’re just not used to houses being a depreciating asset.’

Always have been, always will be.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-04 22:04:55

“Huber and his wife are paying two mortgages, though they were close to paying off their house five years ago. Instead they invested in three rental properties and now they’re having a tough time finding solid renters. ‘The disappointment is in putting your nest egg into a losing investment that is really disappointing we have to work really hard to keep them above ground,’ said Martin.”

“Experts say Huber is part of a growing trend - baby boomers upside down on their mortgages - some have even spent their retirement money just to stay in their homes.”

I call bullshasta on this MSM apologist for greater foolery. The dude could have paid off his mortgage but instead he tried to become Trump, Jr by purchasing three rental properties. If he is part of a growing trend towards flippers getting burned and having to work an extra few decades for their folly, then I say bring it on.

BTW, I flew from SD to PHX last night — first leg of a trip to visit the part of my family that lives in the Midwest. Me loverly wife was not on the trip, so I ended up talking the whole trip to a woman who lives in PHX. She is quite like minded to your typical HBB poster — she and her husband bank one of their incomes in savings and live off the other. She also works in sales of debt collection service firms; I told her that sounded like a great line of business to be in given the state of the economy. Apparently she personally knows quite a few PHX folk who were earning executive paychecks five years ago and now are making due on $30K entry-level jobs — Hard Times for These Times, folks!

 
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