August 10, 2011

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Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 02:50:32

Fannie and Freddie ask for $7 billion more; Could it lead to actual reform? By Allen McDuffee - The Washington Post

Freddie Mac, the mortgage finance house, said Monday that it will ask for an additional $1.5 billion of taxpayer money to make up for losses stemming from weak housing markets.

The request falls on the heels of an announcement last week by Freddie Mac’s sister organization, Fannie Mae, that it will need $5.1 billion to make up its shortfall. The two coincide with Standard & Poor’s downgrade of the U.S. government’s credit rating from AAA status to AA+, which has the potential to affect the institutions’ lending and collecting abilities.

But how the Treasury Department chooses to respond to the requests of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could be the catalyst for definitive reform of the institutions.

Both the Obama administration and Congress have insisted on reform of the two entities since 2008, but few steps to reform have been taken by either branch on this politically charged issue.

“No one should be surprised by the request for more funding,” said Heritage Foundation’s James Gattuso.

“It’s a reminder that while the other bailouts that began in 2008 have been or are being resolved, the taxpayer bailout of Fannie and Freddie are continuing,” said Gattuso.

The government seized both institutions nearly three years ago in the midst of the financial crisis, with Freddie Mac having drawn $65.2 billion from the government since September 2008.

Nonetheless, Gattuso concedes, the Treasury Department may have no choice but to provide the funds requested, which “only underscores the necessity of fixing the system so that taxpayers are not again put in such a position.”

But Gattuso is not arguing for reform so much as abolition.

“Such reform should include a gradual but definitive liquidation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and their replacement by private institutions that enjoy no federal guarantees,” he said.

Comment by michael
2011-08-10 05:27:23

fannie and freddie need $ 7 billion so banks can continue lending money to people who cannot afford it.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-10 05:48:36

Yes. Because the National Housing Policy dictates that Realtor continue to put people in overpriced housing so they can default. It’s sound Housing Policy.

As you all know, keeping Realtor profitable is the first fundamental in of our National Housing Policy.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-10 06:31:46

No, ‘tard, they need $7B so they can continue to make wealthy, well-connected people whole on their bad bets. Wake up.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904007304576498793010276516.html?mod=mktw

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-10 06:48:06

Keeping Realtor profitable is priority.

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Comment by michael
2011-08-10 06:53:08

that too…’tard.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-08-10 07:49:06

Right Grizzly ,F&F is and has been a dumping ground for bad paper .Why do you think they raised the F&F limits to over 700k.Where do you think all that bad paper from Countrywide went people .

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-10 08:25:55

….. listen up u tards….The Housing Crime Syndicate is comprised of NARscum, Phoney, Fraudie, HUDscum, etc. All of them are direct beneficiaries of this stolen money.

 
Comment by Al
2011-08-10 08:27:52

The banks wanted their “Bad Bank” years ago. I suppose it’s not really a surprise that it ended up being the US govt.

 
 
 
Comment by Jerry
2011-08-10 14:17:39

Do you think any bankers asked that question? You already know the answer.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2011-08-10 05:28:22

“Nonetheless, Gattuso concedes, the Treasury Department may have no choice but to provide the funds requested, which only ‘underscores the necessity of fixing the system so that taxpayers are not again put in such a position’.”

Give me a break. Anyone who seriously demands “fixing the system” will be declared a whacko and a nutcase and will be laughed at just as those who wanted to fix the budget last week were declared whackos and nutcases and were laughed at.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-08-10 05:56:11

Yes “we” just have a debate with whackos, nutcases and financial terrorists over the debt ceiling. The actual savings from that debate were ZERO. Something like $2.4 trillion over the next 10 years in decreased spending which is passed of as “savings”. I make $100K per year and spend $170K per year leaving me with an anual deficit of $70K. Next year I was planning to spend $180K with my $100K income. Instead I agree to spend only $170K. Now I can proclaim to the world that I “saved” $10K. Color me skeptical. Running a deficit of $70K is not identical to saving $10K, maybe in Washington, but not as far as any individual or company is concerned.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 06:23:26

“…just as those who wanted to fix the budget last week were declared whackos and nutcases and were laughed at.”

I call BS on this point. I heard no disagreement among politicians that the budget needed to be fixed.

The disagreement I heard was between those who wanted to balance the budget gradually enough to avoid sending the economy over a cliff, and others whose primary interest was to act at a sufficiently reckless pace to sink the economy in time for the 2012 elections.

The latter group won.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-08-10 06:52:33

“The disagreement I heard was between those who wanted to balance the budget gradually enough to avoid sending the economy over a cliff…”
There was a group that actually wanted to balance the budget gradually? I missed out on them. Who was that group?
Cutting projected spending increases 8 years down the road and projecting that candy crapping unicorns will increase revenues in the meantime is not the same as balancing the budget,…just saying.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 08:33:01

“That group” was President Obama, who offered a 3.5 (or 4?) trillion-dollar deal. Both Cantor and Boehner walked out because tax hikes — even well deserved ones — gave them hives.

If Congress had allowed public option health care, the budget would have balanced even more, albeit gradually.

When the candy crapping unicorn for the rich known as the Bush tax cuts finally expire, that will automatically raise revenues, at least a little. Ditto for pulling out of the wars.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-08-10 08:34:12

If the boat is taking on water (debt) faster than the people on board are getting rid of it, what is being accomplished, really?

“We could have chosen to throw more equipment overboard, and put more people out on life rafts, but that would have been too disruptive. So instead we’re going to let the ship sink, just a wee bit less quickly, and hope that something or someone comes to our rescue. We don’t know what or whom, but we’re sure we’ll get help somehow.”

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 09:25:22

There were no budget cuts, so the Republicans didn’t win anything. There never was going to be a default on our debts so Obama and Geithner managed to crank up the hate machine against the dissenters with a blatant simple falsehood. Never waste a crisis and manufacture one if necessary. The system of corruption in Washington to float the monied interests is fully intact. As stated above, the promise to reduce the increases sometime in the future is as hiding in plain sight. Nothing is changed. The nation has clay feet, and the topheavy stance is unsustainable.

I wish I could see into the future as to how this will play out. Every opportunity to change course seems to be avoided at all cost. Is collapse from the bottom up our only viable way out of this?

 
Comment by butters
2011-08-10 09:45:00

Exactly, Blue.

Didn’t the Dems plan also include some “savings” from a war that was yet to be fought?

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 10:10:24

“manufacture one if necessary”

It was the dissenters that manufactured the crisis. This should have been a routine approval to meet a budget that was approved in April.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 18:07:55

“It was the dissenters that manufactured the crisis.”

Exactly!

Moreover, it is the HBB dissenters from this reality who are in denial about the Tea Party’s deliberate and highly successful effort to crash the economy again just in time for the 2012 elections.

Time will tell whether the median American voter is dumb enough to go along with Republican efforts to shift the blame to Obama.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 18:30:03

“Time will tell whether the median American voter is dumb enough to go along with Republican efforts to shift the blame to Obama.”

They may not have to shift blame to Obama. They may have done enough to show him as merely weak.

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 05:47:34

Gradual liquidation, eh? And who is going to buy up all this debt at pennies on the dollar? Would that be the same banks who sold them the crap in the first place?

Comment by michael
2011-08-10 06:15:01

you basically just summed up our entire domestic economic policy.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 06:18:34

‘“Such reform should include a gradual but definitive liquidation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and their replacement by private institutions that enjoy no federal guarantees,” he said.’

How many private institutions is he talking about? Because just two private institutions, created and overseen by Uncle Sam as a replacement duopoly to F&F, would soon be presumed by Wall Street to enjoy an implicit too-big-to-fail guarantee.

HINT: Competition requires the existence of many essentially identical, non-too-big-to-fail firms supplying the same market. End the government-sponsored F&F duopoly in the mortgage lending game, and many problems would be solved.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-10 06:28:41

They need more money for deals like this:

BofA Sells Part of Mortgage Portfolio to Fannie Mae

By DAN FITZPATRICK

Bank of America Corp. has agreed to sell part of its home-loan portfolio to government-controlled housing giant Fannie Mae, as the bank looks to shed assets and pare its exposure to an array of mortgage woes.

The deal, finalized last Friday, will deliver the rights to process and collect payments on a pool of 400,000 loans with an unpaid principal balance of $73 billion, people familiar with the deal said. The purchase price is more than $500 million, one of these people said.

The rights being picked up by Fannie Mae were originally worth more than the purchase price, said a person familiar with the deal. The bank decided to sell the portfolio at a loss because its value is expected to deteriorate further, this person added. The loans have a 13% delinquency rate, and more than half of the loans are in troubled U.S. real-estate markets.

This is nothing but a back door bailout for B of A. This whole situation is rotten to the core. B of A just got a half billion dollar gift backed by the US taxpayers.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-10 06:57:42

And Fannie Mae is buying this with what??

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 18:09:45

Smells to me like a taxpayer-funded bailout, where Megabank, Inc gets bailed by zombie GSE purchases of their toxic mortgage securities at artificially-inflated prices.

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Comment by Steamed Bean
2011-08-10 07:08:49

This deal is for servicing rights. FNMA paid $500 million to collect 50-100 basis points for servicing $73 billion of loans. At 50 bps FNMA collects $365 million in the first year to process payments on the loans. How much do you think that servicing stream is worth. Looks to be a good deal for FNMA. But lets assume FNMA actually owns the risk to those loans. $500 million for $73 billion of loans, so FNMA would have paid less than 10 cents on the dollar for the loans and only 13% are delinquent. That loan pool could be worth 95 cents on the dollar.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-10 09:13:05

Hmmm, that is interesting.

Can you keep an eye on this and let us know if that’s how it develops (or doesn’t)?

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Comment by polly
2011-08-10 10:55:41

If the deal is just for servicing rights, then this is little more than Fannie taking on the administration of the subcontractors doing the work instead of BofA doing the same administration. Sounds like BofA gets to fire a few more employees.

Also, my understanding is that Fannie and Freddie have some extra powers to demand documentation without going through the bother of filing an actual lawsuit (and getting the documentation through the discovery process) that private companies don’t have. That might only be for loans they own rather than ones they service, but I’m not sure.

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-10 07:11:43

I don’t seem to recall Fannie and Freddie sharing profits with taxpayers when they were making money hand over fist during the boom. I only remember enormous bonuses being paid to execs…

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 08:16:09

Because, supply-side economics says that trade imbalances are good because they create money. Ignore the offsetting debt and just focus on the money.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 09:53:44

I don’t seem to recall Fannie and Freddie sharing profits with taxpayers when they were making money hand over fist during the boom. I only remember enormous bonuses being paid to execs…

Which is precisely the point that Morgenson and Rosner make in their book, Reckless Endangerment: How Outsized Ambition, Greed, and Corruption Led to Economic Armageddon.

Hitting the appropriate stock price numbers (which the big boys’ bonuses were based on) is why the F&F book-cookers were so busy in their accounting kitchens.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 09:50:19

But Gattuso is not arguing for reform so much as abolition.

“Such reform should include a gradual but definitive liquidation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and their replacement by private institutions that enjoy no federal guarantees,” he said.

I never thought that I’d find myself agreeing with someone from the Heritage Foundation, but I agree with this guy.

For more on what a screw-up Fannie and Freddie have become, I recommend a reading of Reckless Endangerment: How Outsized Ambition, Greed, and Corruption Led to Economic Armageddon by the excellent NYT business reporter Gretchen Morgenson and Joshua Rosner. The authors also have quite a bit to say about the American dream/obsession of homeownership, which is also the focus of Alyssa Katz’s book, Our Lot: How Real Estate Came to Own Us.

One of these days, I’m going to create a housing meltdown reading list. I swear, I’m gonna do it.

With regards from your HBB Librarian…

 
Comment by cactus
2011-08-10 11:13:18

According to the WSJ, Fannie Mae spent $500 million to buy the servicing rights to a big chunk of the “seven million loans still causing the most problems.” Although the $500 million is a paper loss to BofA, in that the rights were “originally worth more,” it looks like BofA is still getting a good deal because the portfolio’s “value is expected to deteriorate further.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 12:22:20

Although the $500 million is a paper loss to BofA, in that the rights were “originally worth more,” it looks like BofA is still getting a good deal because the portfolio’s “value is expected to deteriorate further.”

Ummm, BAC, Slim here. Can I have a word with you?

Your portfolio may have been worth more. But that was only in your little banky head.

Out here in the real world, your portfolio was never really worth that much. The difference was due to this thing we call “The Housing Bubble.”

Market to market, baby!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 02:57:55

Regulator sues Goldman Sachs over risky mortgages
Credit union regulator sues Goldman Sachs for more than $491 million over risky mortgages

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The U.S. regulator of credit unions on Tuesday sued Goldman Sachs & Co. for more than $491 million in damages over losses incurred by two failed credit unions that purchased mortgage-backed securities underwritten by the investment bank.

The complaint filed by the National Credit Union Administration in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles is the latest lawsuit brought by the federal regulatory agency against a major bank as it seeks to recover billions in losses related to risky mortgage-backed securities that brought down credit unions in recent years.

Buyers of mortgage-backed securities, mostly banks, pension funds and other big investors, made money from the investments if the underlying debt was paid off. But as U.S. homeowners started falling behind on their mortgages and defaulted in droves in 2007, the securities failed and their buyers lost billions.

In the complaint, which also names as defendants several issuers of mortgage-backed securities, regulators claim that the documents used in offering the securities contained untrue statements or omissions as to how risky the investments were.

As a result, U.S. Central Federal Credit Union in Lenexa, Kan., and Western Corporate Federal Credit Union in San Dimas, Calif., acquired the mortgage-backed securities, believing the risk of loss was minimal, according to the complaint.

However, even though virtually all of the securities had a triple-A rating, they represented a substantial risk of losses, the NCUA claims. And when the investments’ market value plummeted, the credit unions — two of the nation’s largest — failed.

The NCUA placed the two credit unions into conservatorship in March 2009. In October of 2010, it placed them into involuntary liquidation.

Goldman Sachs declined to comment Tuesday.

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 06:19:27

$491 million? Really. That is a non-story. Our problmes are in the $10s of trillions range. Millions is pretty much a non-story.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-08-10 08:42:05

$491 million is a few good trading days for Goldman.

 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-10 09:31:11

$millions are the new pennies.

Isn’t that the plan?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 06:26:37

Rule of thumb for economic damage due to Megabank, Inc’s risky mortgage securitization:

- Losses in the $100bn’s

- Legal damages in the $100m’s

- Damages are on an order of magnitude 1000X smaller than the losses

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 06:43:05

$100s of billions of losses on $5T in loans? Seems low to me.

Comment by Steve J
2011-08-10 08:04:49

That’s less than 1%. The default rate must be much much higher.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 18:11:48

I never said how many $100s of billions. For example, 50 $100 bn = $5T.

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Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 03:10:26

The clueless news-readers on our local NBC news affiliate are bubbling over this morning. Saying things such as … With the good news that the fed will keep interested rates low for the next 2 years, this will encourage people to get back into the stock market. Grow their 401k’s and help borrowers receive the funds they need to grow their business.

At one point I really thought two of them would jump up and high-5 each other.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 05:44:38

Financial crack heads.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-10 05:50:15

“With the good news that the fed will keep interested rates low for the next 2 years”

It`s time to get back out there and buy those Tulips!

 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-08-10 05:59:03

…and so the misallocation of capital continues unabated.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 06:35:33

From Chuck Butler’s EverBank Review & Focus August 1 Newsletter:

The FOMC Opens Pandora’s Box of Further Stimulus

I told you long ago before the end of QE2 that by the end of fall, the Fed would be returning to the stimulus table with the issuance of more quantitative easing, or QE3. And after weeks of hearing one Federal Reserve member claim there would be no more quantitative easing… The Fed’s Open Market Committee (FOMC) openly discussed the possible need of further stimulus at their June meeting, which was revealed to the markets in the printing of their meeting minutes in July.

The release of those meeting minutes sent the markets into a feeding frenzy, selling dollars, and buying currencies and metals. Gold, which had spent a couple of weeks going back and forth around $1,500, took off for $1,600, on the news that the Fed was already thinking about more stimulus.

Pardon me while I remind you all that I’ve been telling you for five years or so, that the U.S. is following Japan. And this is exactly what Japan has been doing for two decades now — attempting to stimulate their economy. But their economy has become addicted to stimulus, and soon the U.S.’s will be, too. And that’s a shame.

As I type, the price of gold stands at $1,768, up $25 in the opening minutes, the day after the FOMC announcement. It appears markets are already trying to price in QE3. This is good at the present for anyone who holds gold, but suggests that the announcement of QE3 later this year may have little additional effect.

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 07:21:19

You have to wonder if these stories aren’t being written by the brokerages, and being run in exchange for some advertising dollars.

My local rag had a story this AM about how you have to be in stocks becuase over 10 years or more, they always go up.

Have they taken a peak at the Neikki 225 over the last 20 years… Or the NASDAQ over 10? Or Dow and S&P over 10? Now inflation adjust that.

 
Comment by timmy
2011-08-10 07:46:04

I’m sure Grandma is celebrating her 0.0001% interest rate on her CD… that’s supposed to be her RETIREMENT INCOME

Comment by redrum
2011-08-10 08:10:01

That’s the whole point, isn’t it? They’ve got to hold interest rates so low, that Grandma has to chase yield in riskier investments. She can’t be fleeced in her “safe” CD-

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-10 09:31:05

EXACTLY right.

Wall St’s attitude is that your money is really their money.

Their plan is to also take your SS. You see, SS isn’t really broke. There has been and still is, a long range propaganda campaign to convince everyone that it is or soon will be and who best to manage this prolem than, well, Wall St.?

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Comment by FluffyCat
2011-08-10 10:36:00

Isn’t it a little late in the game to be chasing gold? It has gone up over 400% already. So the later in the game you get in, the less reward and higher risk. Gold is a traditional store of value and hedge against inflation. We’ve had a little inflation in food and gas, but no where close to 400%. So I wonder how close we are to the last greatest fool buying gold. At some point you tip the scales where there are less buyers and sellers.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 18:14:50

“…this will encourage people to get back into the stock market.”

How’s that working out for the stoopid maroons so far? Everyone I know is talking about dumping their stocks, not getting back in…

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 03:17:26

California Risks ‘Drastic’ Budget Cuts as Receipts Miss Forecast
Bloomberg - Aug 10, 2011

California faces “drastic” cuts to universities, schools and social programs if revenue continues to trail budget forecasts, the state controller said after July collections fell short by about 10 percent.

A series of “triggers” written into the most-populous state’s $86 billion general-fund budget would cut spending on universities, home care for seniors and the disabled, libraries and other programs if revenue falls $1 billion short of plan. A $2 billion gap would mean a seven-day cut in the school year and an end to busing subsidies.

“This is what we’ve been fearful of,” Debra Brown, a lobbyist for the California School Boards Association, said yesterday in a telephone interview. “This brings us a half- billion dollars closer to the trigger going off.”

Revenue in July, the first month of the 2012 fiscal year, was $538.8 million less than forecast, according to figures released yesterday by Controller John Chiang.

“The cuts we have already made have really hurt students, the elderly, the poor and others,” Gil Duran, a spokesman for Governor Jerry Brown, said by telephone. “A further round of cuts is not something we would like to see happen.”

California joins states from Maine to Washington facing possible budget cuts as the fiscal year begins following projected gaps totaling $527 billion from 2008 to 2013. Cities including Chicago, the third largest in the U.S. by population, also are preparing for cuts as federal subsidies decline.
Ohio Bracing

Ohio Governor John Kasich has asked aides to monitor collections to determine whether the state needs to reduce planned spending. Revenue for July trailed the budget forecast by $16 million, or 1.3 percent, according to preliminary data.

In Michigan, tax revenue from May to July climbed almost 11 percent from the same period in 2010, according to legislative data. Collections may weaken if the U.S. economy slows, according to the state’s House Fiscal Agency in Lansing.

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel said July 29 that the city’s projected deficit had widened to $635.7 million and that cuts were needed. Maine and Washington have also begun mapping out further reductions, according to local newspaper reports. In 26 states, tax receipts are projected to rise less than 5 percent in fiscal 2012, and will fall in six, the National Conference of State Legislatures said yesterday in a San Antonio meeting.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 05:30:42

Democrats fall short in Wisconsin recall elections
In massive battle of money and organizing, GOP state senators prevail in four of the six districts targeted by Democrats

msnbc

“Democrats failed late Tuesday in their effort to gain control of the Wisconsin state senate as Republican incumbents won four of six recall elections.

The outcome was a big setback for Democrats, organized labor, and progressive groups who’d sought retribution against six GOP allies of Gov. Scott Walker, who earlier this year enacted a labor law overhaul that ended collective bargaining rights for many public sector workers.

The recall elections attracted millions of dollars of investment from both liberals and conservatives across the nation.

Most at risk as voting started Tuesday appeared to be three Republicans, Alberta Darling, Randy Hopper and Dan Kapanke, all of whom had barely won their races in 2008.

Kapanke and Hopper lost, but Darling won with 54 percent with most of the precincts counted, partly due to her outperforming her 2008 majority in heavily Republican Waukesha County.”

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2/6 for a recall. I don’t know if that’s good or bad.

Comment by Steve J
2011-08-10 08:08:36

When was the last time 33% of the incubants lost an election?

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 10:33:46

In 2010, the House flipped. I don’t know if it was 33%.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 12:38:41

:-)

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Comment by 2banana
2011-08-10 05:39:48

California faces “drastic” cuts to universities, schools and social programs if revenue continues to trail budget forecasts, the state controller said after July collections fell short by about 10 percent.

Notice how that cuts to insane public union compensation/pensions never enters the conversation…

Even though it is make up the largest portion of the budget.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 05:49:40

I was going to comment on this myself. Even *I’m* starting to think that somebody needs to cuts these pensions.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-10 05:57:03

Ox cutting pensions or eliminating the abuses first?

Go back and re-figure pensions based on No overtime, added sick or vacation days added to make the last years high…just your basic yearly salary.

Just Like OHbummercare, why didn’t they just go after those people who are too Rich for welfare but too poor to have their own health insurance.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 06:29:22

I agree NYC dj. I’m not talking about depriving Linda the Lunchlady of her smaller pension. I was thinking more like what Social Security began doing — you get X benefits if you retire at 55, you get X+more if you retire at 62. Perhaps means testing with progressive cuts to higher pensions? Or, if firefighters work so hard, give them a nominal ~$30K pensions but pay them lavishly while they work so they can try their hands at 401K. Give the workers options…

In other words, keep a safety net, but ONLY a safety net. I think the public workers still get SS, right? If you didn’t buy or refi in the last 10 years, you can easily live on a safety net of $35K a year or so by selling the house and going on Oil City plan. But cutting libraries to pay retired firefighters $100K a year retired firefighter pensions has got to stop.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 07:16:45

And my other wish for pensions: you have to retire in the state where you worked, or pay some tax penalty. No more moving to Florida and sticking it to the taxpayers who stood by you all those years.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-10 07:54:53

Ox

All good ideas… Ill go one better…if you collect a retirement check you’d better be retired. otherwise you will get your checks at 65.

no more retiring at 45 with 25 years of service then a new full time job and a whole new pension plan…

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-08-10 08:11:49

Lots of public employees(eg teachers) in Texas do not pay into SS. There are a few cities that completely opted out of SS years ago.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-10 08:27:14

cutting pensions or eliminating the abuses first?

A little of the former and a lot of the latter.

 
Comment by Robin
2011-08-10 22:49:12

All of the above.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-10 07:33:49

I want to know when the top heavy layers of overpaid administrators start getting snipped. How bout we go back to the ratio of admins/teachers we had in the 70s. That would save so much money.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 07:53:56

+10 Carrie.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 09:57:43

I agree. And I think that we’d best go back further than the 1970s. Because that’s when my mother started teaching public school in PA. Even then, she and her colleagues were up in arms about the proliferation of do-nothing administrators.

And I had to be the ever-helpful daughter and suggest to my mother that maybe she ought to go into administration. After all, they got paid a lot more than she did.

Big mistake.

Mom wasn’t about to lower herself to being…

…an administrator.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-10 09:58:53

“I want to know when the top heavy layers of overpaid administrators…”

Those in NoVA (FFX County), take a look at the blue (government) pages in your phone book. Check out the listings of all the administrators.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 10:39:34

I talked with a guy in a local school system recently. He said administrator jobs have been seriously cut back here. He was an administrator and was told a couple of years ago that if he didn’t re-invent himself, he would lose his job. So now he teaches and does the administrative work. The workload has increased, and pay has been cut. Sound familiar?

How much of administrative work is necessitated by laws like No Child Left Behind?

 
Comment by polly
2011-08-10 11:05:06

And there is the rub, Happy. If you want reports about everything under the sun to keep the workers “accountable” you need to have some people dealing with the administration of the accountability reports. Perhaps not as many as we currently have, but more than existed in the 70’s when no one cared what a teacher’s curriculum looked like as long as the kids could do more math at the end of the year than they could at the beginning, had read a few books and nobody lost an eye or a finger.

 
 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-08-10 06:06:23

…but, but…but they worked hard for those pensions. They are entitled to them.
Only solution if you don’t like it, pack up and move to another state. Make it somebody else’s problem. I know that’s easier said than done, especially in this job/housing market, but it is the only way to dry this swamp out. The alternative is to pay up.

 
Comment by AV0CAD0
2011-08-10 17:12:35

I noticed! CA is doomed.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-10 06:27:32

RE: the Clownifornia budget situation I recall reading a while back that the recently passed budget contained impossibly optimistic revenue projections.

Comment by Steamed Bean
2011-08-10 07:28:05

Yes, but with realistic revenue projections the legislators would have needed to vote for spending cuts. This way the spending cuts become automatic because projections weren’t met. No legislator had to vote for cuts.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-08-10 07:52:22

That’s the method to their madness here in IL too. Rosy revenue projections that no one dares to question. Probably because so many are pining for a return to boom times they feel questioning revenue projections based off an assumed recovery to be taboo.

You can add those people to the list of folks who will be punished more by the duration of this event than by its depth.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-10 11:40:31

I’m just a transplant here, but what’s up with “Clownifornia”? You’re not referred to as “Bill in Clown-Car-olina” or “Bill in Cara-gina”, as far as you know.

Comment by Robin
2011-08-11 00:31:00

We in California, unfortunately, deserve it!

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Comment by SV guy
2011-08-10 09:41:55

I am doing my part to decrease their tax revenue.

I took one of my vehicles to my retirement property in another state (where everybody speaks english) where I just registered it. I will leave it here.

This will be the net effect of increased taxation. People such as myself, who have poured buckets of money down the state rabbit hole, will at best try and find a workaround to taxes.

At worst we pack up and leave the smoldering POS to the undocumented hordes who have invaded it.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 10:47:25

“People such as myself, who have poured buckets of money down the state rabbit hole, will at best try and find a workaround to taxes. “

This is one of Greece’s problems. Lots of folks evading the tax system.

 
Comment by AV0CAD0
2011-08-10 17:17:37

?At worst we pack up and leave the smoldering POS to the undocumented hordes who have invaded it.?

They can share it with the wealthy pensioners who scammed the system.

Sounds like Miami.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 03:20:08

Bernanke’s Interest-Rate Time-frame Draws Most Negative Votes in 18 Years - Bloomberg

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke’s plan to hold interest rates near zero through at least mid-2013 provoked the most opposition among voting policy makers in 18 years as central bank consensus frayed.

The Fed chief achieved unanimous support on the Federal Open Market Committee in 2008 when he lowered interest rates to near zero, and in 2009 when he launched $1.73 trillion in bond purchases. Last year, his plan to buy another $600 billion in assets drew one dissent. Yesterday, three policy makers dissented from the decision to apply a specific date to the Fed’s low rate pledge for the first time.

Bernanke’s move shows that a Fed chairman can govern with more than two opposing votes, opening the door to bolder action if necessary, said Roberto Perli, a former economist in the Fed’s Division of Monetary Affairs, which helps craft the language of the FOMC statements.

“We have reached the point where Bernanke is taking control and saying we have to do the right thing no matter how many people dissent,” said Perli, a managing director at International Strategy & Investment Group in Washington. “It shows the committee can move forward.”

Seven members of the panel favored the action. Richard Fisher, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, Charles Plosser of Philadelphia and Narayana Kocherlakota of Minneapolis voted no, preferring to maintain the existing “extended period” language. The last time three FOMC voters dissented was on Nov. 17, 1992, under Bernanke’s predecessor, Alan Greenspan.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 06:37:33

The Fed has implicitly predicted no recovery until after 2013. Good luck keeping your households economically afloat over the next two years!

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 06:57:08

On the other hand, if you’ve kept your job and lived reasonably frugally, you’ll be in pretty good shape. If rent goes up, house prices go down, and interest rates remain the same, then it may be — wait for — a good time to buy.

 
Comment by yensoy
2011-08-10 09:31:26

No, the Fed has predicted that till at least 2013, the Chinese government will continue to buy US treasuries at any (i.e. near zero) rate of interest.

 
 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-08-10 06:57:31

The UHS drumbeat has been “buy now, because interest rates are going back up”. (Never mind the consequences on house prices)

Now we hear that interest rates are NOT going anywhere for two years. What will the new spin be?

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-10 18:14:02

“What will the new spin be?”

Whatever it is will be irrelevant. Realtors will LIE as they always have.

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2011-08-10 04:25:16

David Cameron to rioters: STOP! Or I’ll yell stop again!

Comment by michael
2011-08-10 04:58:50

good one.

Comment by palmetto
2011-08-10 05:24:43

Wish I could take credit, but it’s a Robin Williams line.

Seriously, though, we’re watching the endgame of a severely decadent society, unable to defend itself. Worse than ours, so we need to take away some lessons here. Morlocks vs Eloi.

Comment by 2banana
2011-08-10 05:43:58

Seriously, though, we’re watching the endgame of a severely decadent society, unable to defend itself. Worse than ours, so we need to take away some lessons here. Morlocks vs Eloi.

Seriously, though, we’re watching the endgame of a severely decadent society that has implemented EVERY socialist/liberal policy that has come down the pike. Banning guns/knives for the law abiding, a massive social welfare state, massive 3rd world immigration, intentional destruction of their own culture, no assimilation, etc. Worse than ours, so we need to take away some lessons here.

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Comment by palmetto
2011-08-10 05:54:43

You said everything I wanted to say. Listening to Cameron and Johnson, my upper lip is so curled with contempt it’s permanently attached to the tip of my nose.

It’s time to abandon all those bases in Europe.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 07:05:22

China’s first carrier starts sea trials

CNN wire

“China has spent nearly a decade refurbishing the 67,000-ton, 300-meter (1,000-foot) ship, begun by the former Soviet Union but never completed….

Xinhua quoted military sources as saying the trials would be brief, and the carrier would return to Dalian for further refits….

Only a handful of other nations operate aircraft carriers — and only the United States, with 11, has more than two in service.”

Question is, will the US cower at one creaky aircraft carrier, and give away th rest of it IP to China?

 
Comment by butters
2011-08-10 09:26:55

Question is, will the US cower at one creaky aircraft carrier, and give away th rest of it IP to China?

Yes, if it will benefit the politicians/bankers&CEOs.

 
Comment by Al
2011-08-10 10:57:41

Chinese aircraft carriers…..

2 thoughts.

1. How long will it be until some US aircraft carriers (and other deadly toys) are declared surplus and sold to China in an attempt to reduce the debt?

2. How long until the MIC convinces the US government, which is will no longer be providing adequately generous profit margins, to allow them to sell deadly toys to China and other ‘friendly’ nations.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 11:18:24

Good questions, Al. I think the DoD is going to have to buckle down and really start thinking about Defense instead of how to hand out money to contractors.

It makes me wonder about a company like Boeing. Say they want a new contract for something. Can they blackmail DoD and say, “if we don’t get the contract, we’ll sell all our previous tech to the Chinese.”? Could Boeing be charge with treason if they do that? (I hope so.)

 
Comment by BlueStar
2011-08-10 12:05:45

Yes they can. I lost $$ when Loral Space Systems was charged(and Lockheed) when they help diagnose why a Long March rocket dumped 12 Global Star satellites on a village in China. Catch 22 was the Insurance Co. wouldn’t pay off unless we could prove why the rocket failed. When Loral pointed out they had bad gyros the US govt. closed down the company. Global Star went bankrupt and Loral did 2 years later. Lockheed got a slap on the hand and the F-35 contract. This is what happens when you out-source and things go bad.

 
 
Comment by michael
2011-08-10 05:58:56

the star bellied sneeches or the non-star bellied sneeches.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 05:26:55

It’s a very old Robin Williams stand-up line.

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2011-08-10 06:08:00

London Calling…..

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-10 09:35:54

I…. I live by the river!

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 06:23:38

People talk about the banksters looting America and turning us into debt slaves. Only if we actually pay the money back. If we just refuse to pay, then who took advantage of whom?

I pretty sure my SIL that has a bankruptcy and 2 foreclosures doens’t feel like a debt slave.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 06:45:15

It can always be worse, can’t it? At least we in America don’t have young unemployed people turning over cars (yet)…

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-10 06:59:43

We have politicians and banksters to loot on our behalf.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-10 08:13:11

Exactly. Don’t those British yobbos know that only the elite get to loot and pillage?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 10:00:49

There was quite the media deployment to the riots. One fellow said that, a short while ago, there was a peaceful demonstration outside of Scotland Yard. And the media ignored it.

But once they started rioting, oh, did the media start payin’ attention. Did they ever.

“A riot is the language of the unheard.”
– Martin Luther King, Jr.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 08:01:05

(yet)…

Yet?,… as in: “Southern California hasn’t had a 8.6 earthquake…(yet!)”

That kinda yet?

Hwy senses yet another weekly Eeyore Award presentation to (Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower™) ;-)

Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-10 11:45:25

Just let me get off the 33rd floor in SF, please. Six days and a wake-up before my “release”.

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Comment by Steve J
2011-08-10 08:15:08

I don’t think the unemployed young Americans can tear themselves away from thier Xboxes long enough to over turn cars. And I don’t think the have the upper body strength.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-08-10 08:28:12

Well they could probably turn over the Smart Cars and scooters, at least.

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Comment by measton
2011-08-10 09:30:21

Not yet because of unemployment benefits and other social spending. When that goes so does the society. We’re cutting police and releasing prisoners just in time. The great thing is that the MF’s who cuased all this by wanting cheap labor (ie flooding country with immigrants) and offshoring, and those that stole from the working class ie WS and bankers will be sitting pretty in their castles while the poor and unemployed tear the middle and upper middle class to bits. Then the elite will come in and say elect us or our stooges and we will protect you. The fleecing will continue.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-10 09:38:34

PB, the recent rash of “mob” muggings is just the beginning.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2011-08-10 21:27:35

“At least we in America don’t have young unemployed people turning over cars (yet)…”

Be Patient, when the progressives, guilty whites and other fringe nuts are through with our country there will be nothing left of it and overturned cars will be the least of our problems.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 04:29:00

Strapped Americans try to stretch car dollars
By Mike Chalmers, USA TODAY

For the past four months, Margaret McCormick’s 2001 Toyota Celica has been sitting in the parking lot of her condo complex, with one flat tire and a broken transmission.

“To fix it, I need $1,000, but I just don’t have it,” says McCormick, of New Castle, Del., who has been out of work for two years.

McCormick is among a growing number of Americans struggling to keep their cars on the road, as job losses and gas at just under $4 a gallon take huge bites out of their wallets, a new AAA survey shows.

“Many Americans rely on their cars for their livelihood, and losing access to them could be financially devastating,” says Jim Lardear, director of public and government affairs for AAA Mid-Atlantic.

The AAA survey found:

•More than half of American drivers — 54% — said they don’t want the financial burden of a new car, so they’re keeping their older ones running.

•One in four drivers said they have neglected repairs and maintenance on their vehicles in the past year because of the slow economy, increasing the likelihood that they’ll face a major, costly repair.

•Yet 28% of drivers could not afford a $2,000 repair bill, while 18% could not pay a $1,000 tab.

“People who used to be religious 3,000-mile oil changers are now 5,000-mile oil changers,” says Phillip Weir, owner of Greenhill Auto Service in Wilmington, Del. “Those who were 5,000-mile changes are now 7-, 8- or 9,000-mile changers.”

Jiffy Lube, the nation’s largest quick-lube chain, has been moving away from the theory that oil should be changed every 3,000 miles. It has begun using customer driving habits and the recommendations from their car’s owner’s manual to determine need.

Jim Wilkinson, owner of Jim’s Auto Service in Lake City, Fla., says many customers fix only what’s necessary and put off routine maintenance.

“They bring in a car for an oil change, and we find three things that it needs, and the customer says, ‘What do I have to fix and what can I let go for a while?’” Wilkinson says.

That can cost more money in the long run, mechanics say.

Ty Hearne, owner of Dun Rite Auto Clinic in Newport, Del., says one customer delayed replacing the timing belt on his 2005 Kia Spectra, which would have cost a few hundred dollars. The belt broke, causing major engine damage, and now the customer can’t afford the few thousand dollars for the repairs.

“Lack of money just cost him more money,” Hearne said.

The economy also has changed how customers decide when the cost of repairs outweighs the cost of a new car.

“Back in the day, you’d see cars that need a thousand dollars worth of work, and the owner says, ‘Oh, that car isn’t worth fixing; I’ll get a new one,’ ” Hearne said. “I don’t hear that too much these days.”

When it’s time to pay a repair bill, mechanics say, they can see their customers’ pain.

“You see a lot of, ‘Let’s try this credit card,’” said Chuck Halpern, owner of Columbia Auto Repair in St. Louis, who saw one customer spread a $450 repair bill over four cards.

Comment by combotechie
2011-08-10 05:34:03

I read this artice and it screamed “deflation” to me, loud and clear.

But I have no doubt that the message other HBBers will get from reading this same article is that this shows how hyperinflation is running rampant throughout the land.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 05:50:19

Water, water everywhere and none to drink.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2011-08-10 05:54:02

Yesterday I heard the Federal Reserve announced they were holding rates low until sometime in 2013. Remember when they didn’t even tell us what their rate actions were until 6 months later?

I also saw a copy of the Economist magazine recently, with “Turning Japanese” on the cover and Obama and Merkle dressed up in Asian garb. It seems no matter how often it’s been warned, or how clear history has been, the people in charge are repeating bubble-era mistakes that Japan still hasn’t gotten out from under.

Comment by butters
2011-08-10 05:59:32

I had the same thoughts. The funny thing is these same people used to criticize Japan for the same behavior not long ago.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-08-10 06:56:47

Yeah they did. Wander back to some financial mags in the 90s - they were told to take their medicine - or eat their peas in today’s lingo.

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-08-10 08:19:21

It’s always easier to tell someone else to do the right thing than do it yourself.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-10 06:03:26

Japan for the last 20 years:

Flat/declining stock market
Flat/declining housing market
0-2% interest rate
Flat/declining job market
A rising yen

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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-08-10 06:41:14

‘the last 20 years’

There’s a price to all this “gradual” stuff. It’s not like the central bank has an option. They only have one hammer in the tool box. The question is, should we let them keep using it?

I was listening to some guy on the radio going on about how the Fed might unleash some inflation to reduce the US govt debt. (It would help underwater homeowners too!!! said the host.) These people really don’t get it. You don’t have inflation unless wages are rising. Is there anything the Fed could do that would get us all a raise at our jobs? Why don’t you all walk down to the HR dept this morning and demand a raise right now, saying “the Federal Reserve has just done this or that.”

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 07:04:45

Exactly right. Without wage inflation, then commodity inflation just makes it harder for people to keep making payments on their debts, not easier.

Without wage inflation, tax receipts are not going to go up.

Why would we expect wage inflation with real underemployment still near 18%?

In my company, every time an American with a total cost to the employeer of over $100K quits, he is replaces with 2 people in China for $25K each and the company still pockets the $50K difference. Then, we can sell some software in China because they won’t buy unless we hire a certain % of our workforce in China.

Factory jobs? Nope. Computer programmer jobs.

China is graduating more engineers than the rest of the world combined.

 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-10 07:09:39

I give the government full credit (blame) for the banks allowing deadbeats to live indefinitely payment-free in huge numbers while others struggle to pay bills. The deadbeats most certainly got a “raise”.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 07:24:05

Darrell, what you describe is killing America. And there really is no solution that I can see.

Buy the way, if the Chinese are graduating so many engineers, I guess it’s time to turn off the spigot of Chinese student visas. If you think ghetto kids can’t speak English, try doing physics lecture or lab with a TA who can’t speak English either.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-10 08:01:35

Darrell:

Now you see why i am so adamant about Tough Love in America..we have to force our kids to read, write and speak English even the black ones( and in jails, no English no parole)

Illiteracy and political correctness is Over in America and if we don’t end it once and for all, then we will be doomed.

China is graduating more engineers than the rest of the world combined.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 09:02:47

NYC, it won’t help to keep beating this drum.

The workers who are being outsourced are not gang-bangers wiping grease at the tire store. OK? These are college educated engineers or other knowledge workers. I suspect they don’t need to be taught English.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-10 09:10:25

True Ox but they are not the ones mugging, shooting, rioting and running up our legal costs…so we need to build more jails and hire more people, invade our privacy by having to put up cameras everywhere

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-10 09:45:36

Oxide there is a solution, but it has to come from gov. The tea partiers are preventing this.

TAx gas
Tax the elite,
VAT tax
Do away with payroll tax
Slash taxes on middle class
Change our trade policy
Put people to work rebuilding infrastructure
End the wars in Iraq and Afghanastan
Change our immigration laws

These things would fix the problem by putting more money in the hands of the middle class and accelerating the velocity of money. The Fed printing money won’t help if it all ends up in the hands of the elite without at least passing through the hands of the working class.

The tea partiers will kill this country as they prescribe the exact wrong medicine.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 18:30:17

“(It would help underwater homeowners too!!! said the host.)”

Since when is it the Fed’s job to pick winners and losers in the American economy?

I thought that Congress thought that was THEIR job.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-08-10 08:26:32

Politicians do what is politically expedient, minimizing short term pain at all costs and protecting large donors. Those are the two most important goals a politician tries to accomplish. That is what Japan did, and this is almost certainly what we will do.

Human nature is human nature.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 09:32:59

“or how clear history has been..”

One might conclude that these clear effects are not significant enough to deter them from their agenda.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 11:21:50

Or, the clear effects don’t kick in until well after they’ve made their pile. When the biofuel hits the wind turbine, they’ll be on a private island sipping mai-tai’s.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 12:07:45

That’s it. Of course, we’re probably easy for a rew more rounds of rinse and repeat.

 
 
Comment by measton
2011-08-10 09:37:18

Ben there have been no mistakes, they know the consequences. They do it because it protects the wealth of the elite.

The elite are about to learn what happens when the krill die. Tax cuts for the elite, trade laws benefiting the elite, bailouts for the elite leave little in the pockets of everyone else and that means a collapsing economy.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 06:00:21

This is not inflation at all.

Say Joe needs another $100 for his mortgage. He forgoes his annual Carnival $2500 cruise. $1200 goes toward his mortgage. Safeway, State U, Aetna, Exxon, PEPCO, and other “needs” retailers raise prices to what “the market” — that is, Joe’s extra $1300 — will bear. Carnival drops the price of its cruises due to lack of demand from Joe.

So is this inflation, deflation, or stagflation? I believe that it is none of the above. It is simply a lowering of the standard of living. Soon, 50% of income will go to housing, 40% will go to food, 10% goes toward debt service. Don’t bother with college. Second world status. And by the way, if all you schmokes want to cut the Department of Education, then there won’t be ANY free schooling, and we’ll likely have riots of illiterate kids.

(And I mean REALLY illiterate. Even ghetto kids can read signs and job applications and instruction booklets and the a newspaper. True illiterate can’t read at all.)

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 06:33:46

How does 50% of income going to taxes fit into the equation?

On the Department of Education, you mean public schools will cease to exist if we get the FedGov out of the equation?

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 11:53:01

“How does 50% of income going to taxes fit into the equation? ”

I took this to mean 50% of after tax income.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 12:16:39

So I was curious as to what the Depoartment of Education actually does.

A quick glance at Wikipedia

“Created by the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88) and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 17, 1979, it began operating on May 16, 1980.

The Department of Education Organization Act divided the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare into the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services. The Department of Education is administered by the United States Secretary of Education.

It is by far the smallest Cabinet-level department, with about 5,000 employees.”

So all of the clamor is to cut the smallest Cabinet-level department.

“Annual budget US$32 billion (2009)[1]
US$56 billion (est. 2010)
US$71 billion (est. 2011)
ARRA Funding:
US$102 billion (2009)[1]
US$51 billion (est. 2010)
US$23 billion (est. 2011) “

“A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but soon was demoted to an Office in 1868.[3] As an agency not represented in the president’s cabinet, it quickly became a relatively minor bureau in the Department of the Interior. In 1939, the bureau was transferred to the Federal Security Agency, where it was renamed the Office of Education. In 1953, the Federal Security Agency was upgraded to cabinet-level status as the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.”

In various forms, it’s been around for a while.

“The primary functions of the Department of Education are to “establish policy for, administer and coordinate most federal assistance to education, collect data on US schools, and to enforce federal educational laws regarding privacy and civil rights.

The Office of the Inspector General has a unit of enforcement agents who conduct investigations and raids in connection to student loan defaults and fraud.[6]

Unlike the systems of most other countries, education in the United States is highly decentralized, and the federal government and Department of Education are not heavily involved in determining curricula or educational standards (with the recent exception of the No Child Left Behind Act). This has been left to state and local school districts. The quality of educational institutions and their degrees is maintained through an informal private process known as accreditation, over which the Department of Education has no direct public jurisdictional control.

The Department’s mission is: to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access.[7] Aligned with this mission of ensuring equal access to education, the Department of Education is a member of the United States Interagency Council on Homelessness,[8] and works with federal partners to ensure proper education for homeless and runaway youth in the United States.”

We don’t need no stinking data.

God forbid we should enforce privacy and civil rights laws. Separate and unequal was such a success. This is probably the issue that most drives conservatives who are against the DoEd.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-10 06:35:42

Oxide, many kids, ghetto or otherwise, can NOT read a job application well enough to fill it out. So said Gabrielle Giffords a few years ago when she was discussing her family’s tire business.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 10:07:00

And I was the person she was discussing this with.

I also encountered the same thing when I worked in a bike shop. We had one guy who was a pretty good “by feel” mechanic.

I say “pretty good” because something big was holding him back. And that was his reading ability. It was best described as “pathetic.”

So, that meant that whenever we worked together, I had to handle ALL the cashiering duties. Because he couldn’t read or count well enough to handle this task.

Likewise, doing any bike work that involved reading instructions. Guess who got to do that? Moi.

Ditto for looking anything up in the shop’s reference manuals. I had to do that.

Mind you, this was a bike shop where all the tools except for the air compressor used for inflating tires were hand tools. Imagine what it’s like in a tire shop, where you have to use power tools. And are required to read and understand instructions. And use various gauges.

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 07:17:39

If we cut dept of ed, states just raise taxes to make up most of the lost revenue.

States with lots of rich people win, but states with lots of poor lose. Then the rich will be screaming when all the poor begin to move to their state becuase they are the only ones still offering good schools.

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Comment by butters
2011-08-10 05:41:04

That sucks but I needed it. Lately I have been having these urges to trade in my paid off Honda for more expensive car and get back in debt again.

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-10 05:47:01

This may return us to time when many people fixed their own cars in their driveway and garage.

When you look at the bill for a car repair = 60-80% of it is labor.

Comment by butters
2011-08-10 06:00:41

It will be difficult for the new cars. You have to hook most of them to fancy computer thingy….

Comment by 2banana
2011-08-10 06:06:27

You can buy those fancy computer thingies from amazon for $100-$200.

They tell you everything you need to know on what is wrong.

Then (JUST LIKE THE GARAGE) - you REPLACE stuff that doesn’t work. No one fixes anything anymore.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 08:02:48

Didn’t work for my Corolla. My Check Engine light went on. Mechanic friend put the computer thingy on it and said fuel mix too lean — might be the oxygen sensor, and that i don’t have to worry about replacing it unless I felt like it. Handy co-worker said it was a dirty probe in the mass flow sensor. Toyota sent me a recall notice that the motherboard thingy might crack on a corner somewhere and flick on the Check Engine light for no reason at all.

Toyota was right.

They replaced the motherboard thingy and did full diagnotic for free. While I was there, I used a coupon for an oil change, filter change and fluid top off. Total cost: $21.95.

The dealers must be hurting, because they sent me serious coupons. Save $50 for service, save $100 for maintenance…over $400. And it wasn’t namby pamby 2-day groupons. They are good for 18 months.

 
Comment by Birddog13
2011-08-10 08:44:43

Car repair shops are hurtin’ too. I get ads in the paper from shops with “pay what you can, we’ll work within your budget” type specials. I NEVER seen anything like that before from certified shops. Only the shadetree mechanics would take whatever you could give ‘em.

 
 
Comment by DF
2011-08-10 06:28:17

Also, a lot of common repairs don’t need you to access the computer anyway. Like the timing belt repair mentioned is purely a mechanical affair.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-10 06:44:33

True story. Back in the 1970’s a neighbor decided to replace his car’s leaking water pump. While trying to remove the fan the socket wrench slipped off the bolt head and punched a hole in the radiator. Then while trying to remove the radiator he broke the cooling line to the transmission! To top it all off it started to rain. He hurriedly tossed the tools into the toolbox, slammed the hood down and then grabbed the toolbox by the handle to put it in the car. Of course he had forgotten to latch the lid and many of the tools spilled out as he attempted to pick it up. Cussing loudly he drove the car, leaking copious amounts of coolant and transmission fluid, up the driveway and into his carport.

A few days later a tow truck came by and towed his car to a local service facility.

 
Comment by DF
2011-08-10 06:58:19

Sounds about right. I’ve had to pull myself away from failing repairs, lest I do something like that (I’ve done it in the past, though).

 
 
 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-08-10 06:28:22

I used to own a 1960 Buick back in college. So I was forced to either do a lot of repairs or ride my bike. Most maintainance is not that difficult, oil, air filter, spark plugs, pcv valve, disk brake pads, transmission fluid. All those can be done even if you only have modest mechanical skills and a tiny bit of common sense.
I leave the more involved operations like a timing belt, tires, shocks, alginment etc. up to the dealership.
It is critical to determine between a waste of money and absolutely necessary maintainnce. Neglect in oil, tranmission fluid or timing belt tends to cause catastrophic damage.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 07:27:31

Neglect in oil, transmission fluid, timing belt or your wife’s “other Decsion$” tends to cause catastrophic damage.

Click & Clack,… (laughing heartily) ;-)

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-10 08:16:48

•More than half of American drivers — 54% — said they don’t want the financial burden of a new car, so they’re keeping their older ones running.

That was a really shocking figure to me. Not that anyone in my family is shopping so much as it seems like I see new cars everywhere. I do remember in New England in the 70s and 80s seeing cars that looked like they were kept together w/string and chewing gum on a fairly regular basis. Back then you could do a lot of that maintenence yourself.

Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-10 12:07:08

I’ve seen that the last few years but was explaining it away as the last drops of MEW and then the mortgage money that was not being paid. I expect the chewing gum/duct taped cars to make a comeback big time.

My wife took her Mini to the shop due to what I diagnosed at the need for new spark plugs. They were $60 and $83 for labor because they are “hard to get to”. That seems like inflation to me. But I’ll get off my @zz from now on and DIY. That seems like deflation to me as did the article above.

There still seems to be a battle between the two forces, but I am starting to lean toward the combotechie et al. side, even though my caution over choosing a side is sometimes ridiculed.

MrBubble

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 13:07:43

“I see new cars everywhere”

I think you are in New York state. Do they use much salt on the roadways there? Cars last longer in places where they don’t use it.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-08-10 13:52:38

It seems shocking to me too. I see a lot of new cars, and also a lot of beaters driven by very poor looking people. What i see few of are average cars driven by average people - 4-6 years old, no major problems, but not brand new.

Maybe it’s that cars look so similar that I can’t tell their age anymore.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-10 09:44:46

“Lack of money just cost him more money,” Hearne said.

This is what those with moeny can’t understand why the poor can’t save money.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 12:37:22

““Many Americans rely on their cars for their livelihood, and losing access to them could be financially devastating,” says Jim Lardear, director of public and government affairs for AAA Mid-Atlantic.”

Especially if their bus route has been cut.

“Back in the day, you’d see cars that need a thousand dollars worth of work, and the owner says, ‘Oh, that car isn’t worth fixing; I’ll get a new one,’ ” Hearne said. “I don’t hear that too much these days.”

Back in the day, a new car didn’t cost as much and used cars were cheaper, too. Even the how-much-a-month club must be noticing. A quick calculation might reveal that the fix would be 5 months worth of payments now whereas it would have been 10 months worth of payments 10 years ago.

Factor in those whose credit has been trashed by foreclosure or missed payments. They now have to pay cash for a car or buy used from a buy here-pay here place. Is the used car going to have more problems than the one that needs the $1000 repair?

Comment by polly
2011-08-10 13:56:16

That is similar my thinking on fixing the car. I could pay cash for a new one, but don’t want to. Having a car isn’t worth that much to me. I have no reason to believe that for what I would like to spend, that I could buy a used car that has fewer problems than the one I have. I’ll wait until I can get a good deal from a relative and make essential repairs until then.

So far, the nice folks at the local repair shop are the winners. Me too as they seem to have done a good job. I left the car outside for the last two weeks at the off-site airport lot and it started up and brought me home like a champ.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 04:36:22

Today house. Big home, tiny lot:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4-Alderleaf-Ct-Germantown-MD-20874/37082181_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}

1983 2500 sq ft 3/3 home on 0.1 acre. Location OK

Jun 1989 Sold $90K
Sep 2008 Listed $375K
March 2009 some idiot bought the house for $339K
June 2011 short sale listed $255K

Probably not a bad price, but there’s very little yard.

Finding DC area homes on Zillow is becoming difficult. There are hundreds of condos, hundreds of townhomes, and dozens of McMansions. But there are few sensible-looking SFH in the middle. If they are $230K, they need crackshacks which need $30K of work. If they don’t need work, they are $330K. My guess is that the sensible people who live in the sensible houses are the ones who kept their jobs, or bought the house 15 years ago and can afford a ~$700 payment indefinitely.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-10 05:50:17

Why is it listed as a townhouse?

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 06:15:47

I think Zillow is screwed up in this regard. They confuse townhouses with single-family homes all the time. They also mismatch bedrooms with square footage.

 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2011-08-10 04:39:49

This video can’t be helping real estate values in “hip” areas. Better sharpen their forks…

http://abcasiapacific.com/news/2011-08-10/chefs-fight-back-against-looters-with-kitchen/2832500

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 04:47:01

Another house:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/13812-Parkland-Dr-Rockville-MD-20853/37303370_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}

1953 3/1 0.21 standard ranch on acre. Pretty good location, but it’s close to the Spanish-by-immersion neighborhood.

$215K.

This is one of the few houses that has dropped to the 2002 price range.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-10 07:11:24

Why is this one so much more expensive per square foot than the other? Location?

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 07:27:51

Yes, Rockville is 20 minutes closer to the city than Germantown. Plus the Germantown house is a short sale.

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 13:09:41

“Spanish-by-immersion neighborhood”

My guess is you won’t learn formal Spanish there.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 13:45:17

My guess is you won’t learn formal Spanish there.

Indeed you won’t. And if you try to use what you’ve learned in the nabe in a formal setting, say, in business negotiations with a company based in Mexico City or Madrid, oh, are you going to get some strange looks.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2011-08-10 18:50:34

To put it in perspective, picture a hillbilly addressing a board meeting of a Fortune 500 company.

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Comment by Hard Rain
2011-08-10 04:51:37

Yeah this should help…

With police struggling, some residents stood guard to protect their neighborhoods. Outside a Sikh temple in Southall, west London, residents vowed to defend their place of worship if mobs of young rioters appeared. Another group marched through Enfield, in north London, aiming to deter looters.

One far-right group said about 1,000 of its members were taking to the streets to deter rioters.

“We’re going to stop the riots — police obviously can’t handle it,” Stephen Lennon, leader of the far-right English Defense League, told The Associated Press. He warned that he couldn’t guarantee there wouldn’t be violent clashes with rioting youths.

Anders Behring Breivik, who has confessed to the bombing and massacre that killed 77 people in Norway last month, has cited the EDL as an inspiration.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-calm-london-riots-flare-across-uk-013858305.html

Comment by palmetto
2011-08-10 05:33:48

Feh. A disarmed people. Not allowed to defend themselves, not even allowed to speak out.

Send Piers Morgan and Sharon Osbourne back. That ought to take care of things.

Comment by michael
2011-08-10 06:01:58

i don’t understand…can’t they all just get along?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 10:11:20

As countries go, this one has been better able to handle ethnic diversity than many others.

Think about it for a minute. We come from all over the world. And then here we are, Americans. Doesn’t matter what ethnicity we are, we’re Americans.

That isn’t true in a lot of other places. Think of the Turks in Germany, for example. Or anyone who isn’t Japanese in Japan.

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Comment by Robin
2011-08-11 01:08:47

My wife is Japanese. The six times I have been there in the past years, I have never felt welcomed as anyone other than a visitor. The idea of assimilation was never breached. As a tourist, teacher, or American husband (with great credentials) fine! Otherwise, not.

Sad to say, the Japanese are still very racist - :)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 05:05:29

Mortgage applications rose last week: MBA

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Applications for home mortgages rose last week as interest rates fell to their lowest level this year, an industry group said on Wednesday.

The Mortgage Bankers Association said its seasonally adjusted index of mortgage application activity, which includes both refinancing and home purchase demand, rose 21.7 percent in the week ended August 5.

The MBA’s seasonally adjusted index of refinancing applications rose 30.4 percent to its highest level this year, while the gauge of loan requests for home purchases fell 0.9 percent.

The refinance share of mortgage activity increased to 75.6 percent of total applications from 70.1 percent the previous week.

Fixed 30-year mortgage rates averaged 4.37 percent in the week, down 8 basis points from the week before. (Reporting by Alexandra Alper; Editing by Diane Craft)

Comment by Max Power
2011-08-10 13:27:30

I see 4% with no points today. That’s .25% lower than I’ve ever seen.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 05:07:54

Goldman says QE3 likely after dovish Fed statement
August 10, 2011

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Goldman Sachs said on Wednesday a third round of quantitative easing from the Federal Reserve is likely after the U.S. Federal Reserve promised to keep rates at extraordinarily low levels for at least two more years.

“We now see a greater-than-even chance that the FOMC will resume quantitative easing later this year or in early 2012. We have changed our call because today’s statement suggests that the committee’s reaction function to incoming economic news is more dovish than we had previously thought,” Jan Hatzius, chief economist at the firm, said in a note.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 05:34:16

hmm… compare to this statement above

“No one should be surprised by the request for more funding,” said Heritage Foundation’s James Gattuso. “It’s a reminder that while the other bailouts that began in 2008 have been or are being resolved, the taxpayer bailout of Fannie and Freddie are continuing,” said Gattuso.

—-
Because QE inflates away debt held by banks, isn’t QE a stealth bailout of banks?

Comment by butters
2011-08-10 05:50:48

Or the debt Government owes.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 05:57:42

Not stealth. Rivers of cash flowing directly through the banks.

 
Comment by michael
2011-08-10 06:03:40

the comment you referenced was what we call a “lie”.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 06:32:42

Heritage Foundation… No handouts unless it’s us…

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Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-10 12:13:15

You beat me to it.

 
 
 
 
Comment by butters
2011-08-10 05:45:28

And Jan makes millions writing and saying pedestrian things like this…..

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 13:14:58

So there’s hope for me? I think I can say thinigs that are equally pedestrian and probably dress it up in big words to bamboozle the masses.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 13:23:39

From what I’ve read, HBB postings are worth more than the equivocating from the Ivy League economists.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 14:45:39

I wish I got paid like an Ivy League economist for posting here.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by ElectricSheep
2011-08-10 05:16:59

Can the Middle Class be Saved?

The Great Recession has accelerated the hollowing-out of the American middle class. And it has illuminated the widening divide between most of America and the super-rich. Both developments herald grave consequences. Here is how we can bridge the gap between us.

By Don Peck

From the article:

“Autor isolates the winnowing of middle-skill, middle-class jobs as one of several labor-market developments that are profoundly reshaping U.S. society. The others are rising pay at the top, falling wages for the less educated, and “lagging labor market gains for males.” “All,” he writes, “predate the Great Recession. But the available data suggest that the Great Recession has reinforced these trends.”

For more than 30 years, the American economy has been in the midst of a sea change, shifting from industry to services and information, and integrating itself far more tightly into a single, global market for goods, labor, and capital. To some degree, this transformation has felt disruptive all along. But the pace of the change has quickened since the turn of the millennium, and even more so since the crash. Companies have figured out how to harness exponential increases in computing power better and faster. Global supply chains, meanwhile, have grown both tighter and more supple since the late 1990s—the result of improving information technology and of freer trade—making routine work easier to relocate. And of course China, India, and other developing countries have fully emerged as economic powerhouses, capable of producing large volumes of high-value goods and services.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/can-the-middle-class-be-saved/8600/

 
Comment by Kirisdad
2011-08-10 05:17:24

Young, angry and unemployed/under-employed, a volatile mix. Class warfare in the most extreme sense. The hooligans can’t even afford to take out their frustrations at football matches, too expensive.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 07:51:34

The hooligans can’t even afford to take out their frustrations at football matches, too expensive.

Really, you’d think they at least might lower the price of a $tadium pint to £4.92 ;-)

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 10:14:21

Class warfare also seems to be bubbling up in the Tucson area. Seems that Sen. John McCain got a pretty heated reception at yesterday’s town hall, which was held a few miles north of our city limits.

As a local political cartoonist notes, McCain doesn’t come down this way very often.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-10 05:34:48

Realtors Are Liars®

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 08:06:02

“Boycott ‘em!™”

 
 
Comment by Al
2011-08-10 05:52:58

Continued from yesterday’s Bs&Bs,

Alpha:
“And my unanswered question to Al about which economies pulled out of the depression earliest is that Germany, Japan, and Italy were some of the earliest to pull out because of their respective government’s highly ramped-up military spending.”

I shouldn’t even have mentioned some recovering earlier, because it isn’t relevant to my original statement. Exiting the great depression is not the same as breaking a downward economic spiral. Pretty much every nation had hit bottom (as in the spiral ended) in the early 30s. GDP had quit falling, but hadn’t started growing either.

You may or may not be correct about war preparations causing the recovery*, but even if you are correct it doesn’t prove that government spending can break a deflationary spiral which ended years before the war preparations.

* Rio’s graph suggest recovery in the US began before war preparations. GDP started an uptick in the early 30s, and unemployment started falling mid decade. The recovery did, however, accelerate when the war began.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 06:20:08

In a command economy, like Germany making war preparations, or the US and China today, you can have whatever “GDP” number you want just by edict. Increasing GDP by depleting the wealth of the country to destroy stuff (and people) isn’t my idea of a “healthy” economy. Celebration tends to be temporary.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-10 07:24:43

“Pretty much every nation had hit bottom (as in the spiral ended) in the early 30s.”

Which prompted FDR to agree with the TeaPartiers of the day, and reduce government stimulus, which caused us to plunge back into recession.

How did Japan fare?

wikipedia
The Japanese economy shrank by 8% during 1929–31. However, Japan’s Finance Minister Takahashi Korekiyo was the first to implement what have come to be identified as Keynesian economic policies: first, by large fiscal stimulus involving deficit spending; and second, by devaluing the currency. Takahashi used the Bank of Japan to sterilize the deficit spending and minimize resulting inflationary pressures. Econometric studies have identified the fiscal stimulus as especially effective.[62]

The devaluation of the currency had an immediate effect. Japanese textiles began to displace British textiles in export markets. The deficit spending however, proved to be most profound. The deficit spending went into the purchase of munitions for the armed forces. By 1933, Japan was already out of the depression.

What ended the Great Depression?

wikipedia
The common view among economic historians is that the Great Depression ended with the advent of World War II. Many economists believe that government spending on the war caused or at least accelerated recovery from the Great Depression. However, some consider that it did not play a very large role in the recovery, although it did help in reducing unemployment.[9][50][51]

The massive rearmament policies leading up to World War II helped stimulate the economies of Europe in 1937–39. By 1937, unemployment in Britain had fallen to 1.5 million. The mobilization of manpower following the outbreak of war in 1939 finally ended unemployment.[52]

America’s entry into the war in 1941 finally eliminated the last effects from the Great Depression and brought the unemployment rate down below 10%.[53] In the U.S., massive war spending doubled economic growth rates, either masking the effects of the Depression or essentially ending the Depression. Businessmen ignored the mounting national debt and heavy new taxes, redoubling their efforts for greater output to take advantage of generous government contracts.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 07:54:26

So we can pull ouselves up by the bootstraps with unpopular public works make jobs or with a popular war and have fun blowing stuff up and sending our unemployed off to die in the front lines. Afterwards we have to pay the debt in either case. This is a tough choice. Give us a minute to think….

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-10 08:16:23

I would choose the public works over the world war, but that’s just me.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 09:39:44

Me too, but moreso door number 3.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 08:53:35

unpopular public works make jobs

Unpopular with whom? With the robber barons? I take pride in that. And 75 years later, millions of people still walk on trails and stay in shelters built by the those unpopular make work jobs. Sounds like that “make work” was “needed work.” 80 years from now, who’s going to benefit from — or even remember — Lloyd Blankfien’s godly work?

By the way, you don’t need a depression to conduct “a popular war and have fun blowing stuff up and sending our unemployed off to die in the front lines.” We found that out quite recently. And we still have to “pay the debt” from that war too. You really think all this debt was created by the current President?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 09:29:41

“current President?”

The remarks were attached to a discussion of FDR and WWII. However, the current President is no huckleberry.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 11:29:09

Yes, and then I approximately compared WWII to a current war, and then referenced back to remarks. The thinking was that if one could approximate the wars, then one could also approximate the remarks attached to the wars.

The comment about the current President was a reference to remarks that you have made in the past, repeatedly.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 12:05:12

The references do make one’s head spin!

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-10 12:22:33

“And 75 years later, millions of people still walk on trails and stay in shelters built by the those unpopular make work jobs. Sounds like that “make work” was “needed work.” ”

Not just that either. The infrastructure that was created at this time has been utilized for decades by the private sector without their having to pay for it or at least has been provided to them at below what their costs would have otherwise been. Many, many hidden benefits to these projects that we never put a price on…

 
Comment by Doghouse Riley
2011-08-10 12:44:08

Oxide, the public works jobs of eighty years ago were in an era when we just went out and built.

We hired masses of workers without worrying about diversity training and OSHA, put them to work under contractors who were allowed to run the worksites, and built good quality stuff.

And when the workers at Hoover Dam went on strike, the government - FDR’s government - basically sent them a silent “fuck you”.

Today, between the NIMBY’s, the don’t-disturb-the-endangered-microbes crowd, and the bred-in-the-bone professional disgruntlement of the workforce, we’d be lucky to build in a decade what the WPA did in a month.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 13:33:24

” Many, many hidden benefits to these projects that we never put a price on…

Also for the space program and war time research. Good stuff.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-08-10 14:03:05

I think a public works program similar to FDRs and lead and managed by the army (give ‘em some experience nationbuilding after their pull out from several crappy warzones) would do wonders for our economy.

Basically some sort of managed physical-ish labor 5 hours a day and classroom teaching 5 hours a day, both paid equally.

Physical labor building levies, public infrastructure, and some beautification projects.

Classroom teaching in math, physics, trades, and engineering, grouped by learning ability - no grades and no certifications earned.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 14:15:25

Basically some sort of managed physical-ish labor 5 hours a day and classroom teaching 5 hours a day, both paid equally.

I agree, Overdog.

And to your idea, I’d like to add this one, which ISTR was part of the California Conservation Corps’ daily routine: Read something of substance (like a news article), then discuss it with your fellow team members.

Anyone know if the CCC still does this?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 14:30:33

There was no money when we lived down on the farm. So I set my kids to building a stone wall along the back end of the pasture. It improved their physical fitness, work ethic, figuring skills and was a thing of lasting beauty. It also kept them out of fights down by the tracks, kept them out of the neighbor’s orchard and settled them down for lessons in history and penmanship later in the day. It didn’t improve the family finances one lick, but it helped raise them up right.

The government is not our Mommy.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 14:38:43

There was no money when we lived down on the farm. So I set my kids to building a stone wall along the back end of the pasture. It improved their physical fitness, work ethic, figuring skills and was a thing of lasting beauty.

Hmmm, sounds like we’d have a great time meeting in person. Right now, I’m scrounging around the nabe for urbanite. That’s busted up concrete and other rubble left over from construction/demolition projects.

Urbanite’s going into my garden basins. I need it to line the edges of the basin — they’re steep and the urbanite will prevent soil erosion.

I plan to fertilize my basins with the compost I’m cooking out back.

What I’m missing is hay mulch. Do anyone know where I can order a bale of hay and have it delivered?

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-10 14:59:29

“What I’m missing is hay mulch.”

Don’t forget the worms if it’s not a hot pile! The red w/rigglers in our inside bin are pretty wimpy, but the earthworms in the cold compost are doing some good work!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 15:04:07

Don’t forget the worms if it’s not a hot pile! The red w/rigglers in our inside bin are pretty wimpy, but the earthworms in the cold compost are doing some good work!

Vermiculture’s next on my list!

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 15:26:25

Having cows was the bestest composting I’ve ever experienced, by orders of magnitude. Red wigglers by the millions!

I miss it at times, the tall oaks in the pasture, the gardening, and the raising kids. But I am making the most of the open water. Been away from the dock now 6 weeks, at anchor or mooching a mooring or dock from time to time. 500 miles away from home water. Fishing has been pretty good.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-10 16:57:22

“Vermiculture’s next on my list!”

Our first two batches of reds committed mass suicide almost immediately, so we’ve really babied this batch.

The earthworms I saved from a parking lot during a deluge and thought that they had all died until I got to the bottom layer of the pile as I was emptying it last year. Worm-o-rama!

“Fishing has been pretty good.”

Have a trip planned in mid-September after not having gone since last year. Work is lame. Actually, I just resigned on Monday. It is not possible to be happier.

 
 
Comment by measton
2011-08-10 09:59:19

Blue sky you forget about the velocity of money.
Pumping money into the hands of many increased spending and economic activity. This increases revenue for the gov.

If you make cuts and decrease the flow of money to the working class and concentrate it at the top you decrease the flow of money and economic activity falls. This decreases revenue for the gov.

It’s possible that cutting gov spending will result in a larger deficit if it results in falling economic activity.

Tea Party types will then say that gov borrowing will cause a rise in interest rates and hurt business. This isn’t happening now due to economic uncertainty, many including foreign governments have put most of their money in treasuries.

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Comment by Al
2011-08-10 11:20:39

The trick with a deflationary spiral is that it claws at the velocity of money.

Let’s say a govt gives a tax break to the poor and middle class, and increases the national debt as a result. This is during a deflationary spiral. You could spend the money, but the economy is stagnant and you fear losing your job. Prices are falling too, so even if you don’t lose your job you can still get a better deal later. The velocity of money hasn’t improved.

The next guy, however, is broke. He spends the money on necessities. The seller of necessities is nervous as sales have dropped, and decides to keep the money in reserve. A very slight improvement in velocity, but no real multiplier effect.

So should the government practice Keynsian economics? YES. By having a reserve the government can maintain spending at pre-recession levels or increase it if necessary without digging themselves too deep into debt. It can reduce the suffering of the people, since the broke guy could buy necessities. But it won’t stop a deflationary spiral because the nature of the spiral stops the money in its tracks.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 11:20:50

“Pumping money into the hands of many increased spending and economic activity.”

Government directing monies to the elite is injury one. Putting the “many” under a mountain of debt to do so is injury two.

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-10 12:26:51

You aren’t looking at the revenue side.
If you increase employment you increase the velocity of money ie economic activity and that increases tax revenue.

If you cut spending destroy jobs you may actually decrease tax revenue. You also create a population of people who loose their work skills, you increase crime, and make it less likely for business to expand.

You could reduce the debt by taxing the elite, cutting war spending, starting a single payer medical system that cuts our medical spending 50%, tax gas to reduce imports and raise tax revenue. Cut payroll taxes thus making employing Americans cheaper.

What’s your solution. More spending cuts and tax cuts ? It won’t work.

 
Comment by Al
2011-08-10 13:23:14

measton, the first 2 paras are theoretical discussion,

As mentioned above, there’s not much the government can do in a deflationary spiral to increase velocity of money, so not much extra economic activity is a result. As mentioned in my last para above, do it anyways to minimize the human suffering aspect, but don’t kid yourself that it will somehow pay for itself through increased economic activity and thus taxes.

After the spiral is over and the recovery has taken hold, govt has to get any debt paid off and a reserve built again. If govt went overboard during the recession/depression/whatever then they’ve set themselves up for failure since paying down the debt acts as a reverse stimulous. Reverse stimulous has to be small enough it doesn’t trigger anything.

What’s my solution to the current situation? There isn’t a good one. More stimulous won’t work because govt debts are too high and the economy is too buggered. Cutting spending enough to eliminate the deficit won’t work because it and people’s expectations are too high. And as you mentioned, making cuts exactly equal to the deficit won’t work because of lost revenue.

Least painful in my estimation is to partially default on the debt. The more ‘external’ the debt holder, the bigger the haircut. Expect retaliation; better start digging for rare earths and making do with less oil. As much as I hate saying it, propaganda will be necessary to soothe the masses as they adjust to a lower standard of living. Taxing the elite, reducing war spending, etc are good ideas, but insufficient unto themselves.

Long run, govt needs to run small surplusses most of the time to be able to deal with the downturns.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 14:36:29

Who’s economy is the velocity of money good for? It is good for the banks and the tax collector and anyone else who lives off the skim, plus those who are their dependants.

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-10 17:38:31

It’s also good for those that have jobs and aren’t starving and the people who sell stuff to them. It’s good for the nation as it prevents the loss of job skills and improves our infrastructure. The people who are hurt by it are the debt holders, I personally am willing to trade my savings for a society that is not falling apart.

 
Comment by Al
2011-08-10 20:18:22

“The people who are hurt by it are the debt holders…”

Umm, not really. Velocity of money, and with it economic activity helps everyone. Debt holders get paid back when money moves, they don’t when it doesn’t. Just don’t assume that velocity and economic activity are variables that are controllable.

 
 
 
Comment by Al
2011-08-10 08:09:41

As I noted earlier (and you either ignored or overlooked), I’m not disputing that Keynsian economics can work. Counter cyclical spending can be helpful in blunting the effects of a recession, and can aid in a recovery once the deflationary spiral has played itself out.

BUT, once a deflationary spiral begins it will run its course. In Japan’s case their GDP dropped 8% over 3 years, even though they aggressively employed both fiscal and monetary stimulous. And these numbers don’t tell the whole story. Japan remained a low wage country with a high cost of living well into the 80s.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-10 08:30:21

“once a deflationary spiral begins it will run its course.”

So it’s impossible for a government/central bank to create inflation during a deflationary spiral? Even if they just printed up the money, paid off all the debts, and sent everyone $100k spending money?

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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-08-10 08:54:01

Why don’t they just do that? Why didn’t Japan do that? Didn’t the Fed loan out 12-16 trillion in the past year? What’s going on has more to do with preserving the central bank system than making the economy work, IMO.

 
Comment by Al
2011-08-10 09:06:59

Okay Alpha, I’ll rephrase.

A government/central bank can’t stop a deflationary spiral without destroying the economy.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2011-08-10 09:41:50

Deflation and central banks gets into the pushing on a string discussion. Let’s just say that their power is questionable in this situation. IMO, we’ve been in the grip of deflation for many years and they’ve tried everything, including conditions that bred the stock and housing bubbles.

Deflation is what central banks (and others who depend on endless borrowing) fear most. I would argue that the inevitable end of this paper system of limitless borrowing must be the destruction of the fiat-economy anyway. But life goes on after these systems collapse, despite what the PTB would have you believe. Look at Mexico or Iceland. Life will go on after the Euro goes away too. So if I was a Greek, I’d tell the bankers to pound sand.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 11:38:39

This whole discussion thread is pushing on a string. Keynesian economics can work — if we actually had applied Keynesian economics. Following Keynes would had involved continuing to paying back the national debt in 2001. Instead, “somebody” cut taxes, started wars, and handed money to drug companies.

And None of this inflation/deflation/velocity of money economic theory works in the face of globalization. None. It’s like using formulas to predict the size and speed of internal currents in a lake based only on temperature or wind or the slightly uneven shape of the lake bottom. Now, lower half your lake so you have a waterfall right down the middle. Will those formulas still work? Will temperature matter so much? I don’t think so. In fact, you only need one new formula: the current goes that-a-way.

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Comment by 2banana
2011-08-10 05:58:30

Union thugs: 0
Wisconsin taxpayers: 1
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Wisconsin’s bad losers
Washington Post | 08/10/2011 | Marc Thiessen

Last fall, when Republicans wrested 20 state legislative chambers and 10 governorships from the Democrats, some on the left refused to accept the results. In Wisconsin, Democrats were particularly apoplectic. Democratic legislators fled across state lines and hid out in motel rooms in order to prevent Gov. Scott Walker from enacting the agenda on which he and newly elected GOP legislators had campaigned. They failed. Walker passed legislation to reform collective bargaining and balanced a $3.6 billion deficit despite the Democrats’ efforts at obstruction.

Not to be deterred, Wisconsin Democrats and their union allies promised to take their revenge by launching recall elections against eight vulnerable Republican senators. They promised the recalls would stop Walker’s agenda and have national implications – sending a message to Republicans in other states that they would pay a price for changing their collective bargaining laws. Unions poured millions into the fight to take back the state Senate from GOP control.

It appears that the Democrats have failed at this as well. Republicans have reportedly held onto four of the six seats in play, keeping control of the state Senate by a narrow 17-16 margin. (The GOP may be able to gain back the losses next week, when two Democrats face recall elections.) John Hogan, director of the Committee to Elect a Republican Senate, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, “Voters gave us a mandate last fall. . . . They backed us up again (Tuesday). Voters told us loud and clear, ‘Stay the course. Things are working.’ ” The vote will indeed send a signal to other states – but not the one the Democrats and labor unions intended.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 06:32:23

Uncork the Champagne at Koch MegaIndustrie$ Inc., “Linda-the-Lunch-Lady-Lives-Lavishly” banner burning at luncheon cafeteria company-wide on Friday (extra 15 minutes, free cupcakes), Mi$$ion Accomplish$hed! flag raising afterward. The War is over! :-)

Union thugs: 0

“The people of the 32nd Senate District sent Gov. Walker and his legislative Republicans rubber-stamps a clear message today: they’ve had enough of the GOP’s extreme agenda that favors wealthy special interests and large out-of-state corporations at the expense of Wisconsin’s working, middle class families,” read a statement Barca issued.

Kapanke’s district has been trending increasingly Democratic, including a win by President Barack Obama with 61% of the vote in 2008. .”

Comment by 2banana
2011-08-10 07:16:17

Kapanke’s district has been trending increasingly Democratic, including a win by President Barack Obama with 61% of the vote in 2008. .”</i

Hope and change…
Yes we can…
Four more years…
GITMO still open for business…
US Troops still in Iraq…
Almost doubled the US troops in Afghanistan…
New war in Libya…
Extended the patriot act…
Tripling of the insane debts of Bush
Hmmm - where did all the protestors GO? WHERE?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 07:34:40

Hope and change…

Middle-class $truggles & Wealthie’$ cling-on’$ “Civil War$” take time, …be patient. ;-)

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-10 07:59:51

$35 million could have fixed a bridge or helped some of Wisconsin’s middle class families.

By MONICA DAVEY
Published: August 9, 2011

SAYNER, Wis. — Two Republican state senators lost their seats in recall elections around Wisconsin on Tuesday, but Republicans maintained their control of the State Senate, ultimately handing a defeat to union groups and Democrats who had spent months and millions of dollars trying to wrestle away at least some of the state’s political power.

The recall campaigns have been battering, time-consuming, confusing (four separate elections have been set for July and August) and remarkably expensive. By one estimate, outside groups and the campaigns will have spent at least $35 million to recall senators, making some of the races the most expensive Wisconsin legislative campaigns in memory.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/us/politics/10wisconsin.html - -

Comment by measton
2011-08-10 10:03:12

maybe we should just do away with all elections that would save some money?

Unless you are talking about campaign reform, but as you know the supreme court for the rich has declared money = free speech.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 06:35:09

No,

Union thugs: 2
Taxpayer: 4

Still not too bad.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 06:54:30

In the rise of the greatest credit expansion in history, there was gravy for all the thugs on all sides. Now that the beast is going down, there will be scratching and clawing over the remains.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 07:17:59

In the rise of the greatest credit expansion in history

T’ain’t quite over yet…

The folk$ who really Made-off are the no-hold$-barred wealthie$ who are “Free to move about their favorite countries!;-)

The MegaInc.$,…they’re $uffering $o! Hurry! reduce/eliminate their taxe$, Hurry,… Cinder$ & Ashe$…Agonie$ & Pain$, help ‘em.

“Of the roughly $90 billion of profit$ repatriated in 2004, Pfizer was by far the biggest beneficiary, $aving $11 billion in taxes, Johnston recalls. “They started destroying jobs the day they brought it back” and have cut 40,000 U.S. jobs in the ensuing years.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-10 08:49:15

This is why my idea of No taxes on repatriated money if you spend it on Americans in America, spend it on wages factories products..not on H1B people with visas, no stock buybacks, or buying other companies.

1st step bring all the call centers back to our shores, lots of people need jobs and don’t have a lot of education so these are perfect.

Also…Why can’t an Ipad be made in Kansas?

 
Comment by GH
2011-08-10 09:13:50

An IPad made in Kansas would cost more. As long as our dollar remains far too strong, our labor here cannot compete.

Print the darn money to get rid of the debt, weaken the dollar and we have simplistically a working economy again.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-10 11:04:31

How much more? I mean, we can make cars here that are cost competive with imports.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 11:45:24

Good question, InColorado. My guess is it would cost enough more that Apple’s profit margin would be 5% instead of 11% — including new tarriffs and IP law enforcement. Wasn’t profit margin something like 5-6% in the 70’s, pre-globalization?

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 07:29:25

That great credit expansion was for wars and tax-cuts and Medicare Part D.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 07:40:57

and skyrises and cardboard city subdivisions and cars and jet skis and candle shops and doggie nail salons…..

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 08:07:11

Yeah, S&P downgraded the US because they were dismayed by the pirate shops.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-10 10:48:02

:lol:

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-10 10:46:58

“In the rise of the greatest credit expansion in history, there was gravy for all the thugs on all sides.

Union membership and power have been in steady and serious decline over the last 30 years and currently represent less than 10% of the ENTIRE WORKFORCE.

Can we stop kicking that dead horse?

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Comment by 2banana
2011-08-10 12:21:07

Union membership and power have been in steady and serious decline over the last 30 years and currently represent less than 10% of the ENTIRE WORKFORCE.

EXCEPT PUBLIC WORKERS.

Public unions have been the one bright and rising star in the union membership ranks.

Even better when the STATE (using tax dollars) forces everyone who wants to work for the state to JOIN the UNION and then takes out the union dues before they see their paycheck.

One hellava system.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 14:43:49

We’ll be so much better off when we have nobody standing up for labor.

No minimum wage
No workplace safety
No child labor laws
No unemployment compensation (let them get jobs)
80 hour work weeks for those who have jobs

It will be a true corporate paradise.

Who will buy your products, 2banana?

 
Comment by GH
2011-08-10 20:24:31

Darn Happy2bHeard, what would all the out of work Chinese and Indian workers do?

IT IS A TRUE CORPORATE PARADISE ALREADY! Just not here yet!

That said, most full time workers I know are working a minimum of 60 hours and in one case one poor schmuck too afraid to push back (Wife Mortgage & Kids - debt too!) 90 hours. He basically does not leave the office out of fear!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 15:27:50

The real tragedy is not the union issue. The rest of their agenda is worse - and it is being played out in Michigan, Ohio, South Carolina and other states with solid Republican majorities.

Disenfranchisement of poor, students, and elderly voters through poll taxes and voter ID laws.
State takeovers of municipalities that fail state designed “stress” tests.

The Republicans are setting up to sell off government assets at fire sale prices to their cronies. They are setting up to disenfranchise groups that don’t vote for them. They are setting up to take over the judiciary at all levels.

I guess it’s all good if you are a Republican. Unless you depend on Social Security, Medicare, or a government pension or salary. Or depend on people to buy your products who depend on the government.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 17:38:26

+1 Thos citizens of those states are in for a rude awakening. They think they are “earning” their freedom from government, but really they are buying their freedom by selling themselves to corporations. And they will sing about “second amendment solutions” right into their mud huts.

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-10 06:12:15

We all know this but when will Obummer finally stand up and admit it too?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/katharinebirbalsingh/100099830/these-riots-were-about-race-why-ignore-the-fact/

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 06:37:22

So, it is gang-warefare, just like in our major cities.

80% of gun-crime is black-on-black and 75% of the rest is Eastern Europen gangs vs. black gangs.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 10:17:54

Here in Tucson, that’s very true. A lot of the gang-related violent crime* is Hispanic vs. Hispanic.

————–

*According to our police department, a good bit of our murder rate is driven by gang activity and drug trafficking. Random murders are pretty rare here.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-10 06:24:23

Amazon UK’s riot gear sales soar: Aluminum bats up 6,000%

By Julianne Pepitone
@CNNMoneyTech
August 9, 2011: 2:37 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Aluminum bats, police nightsticks and other weapons dominated the “movers and shakers” list of hot-selling items in Amazon.uk’s Sports shop on Tuesday as riots spread across Britain for the third day.

British newspaper The Guardian flagged the Amazon sales spike in its running live-blog on the rioting. The outbreak of violence began in London’s Tottenham neighborhood after police fatally shot a local 29-year-old man, Mark Duggan, on August 4. Riots and looting soon spread to other British towns, and the government called in police forces.

By mid-day Tuesday, the top five sales-rank gainers in Amazon.uk’s “sports & leisure” category were all baseball bats and a “military police telescopic tonfa” — somewhat similar to a nightstick.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/09/technology/amazon_riot/ - -

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 06:39:27

Yep… looks like yesterday’s up move was just a short-squeeze as I expected.

I would not be suprised if we closed at -600 today.

The Fed’s mid-2013, is non-news. Did anyone really expect us to be anywhere else 2 years from now?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-08-10 06:47:10

“Did anyone really expect us to be anywhere else 2 years from now?”

Maybe a couple million FBs and some pols in shaky districts, but other than that, no.

 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-10 07:02:27

I love how all the MSM financial news agencies tried to spin the Bernanke announcement as the driver for the obscene run-up (well after the fact).

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 07:14:04

I flip on the TV after dinner and Mad Money is just starting. I listen to Jim Crammer trying to justify how the Fed announcement is great news for stocks…

Well, they just told you that for 2 years you are not mking any money in treasuries. People looling to make money had to leave treasuries and into stocks.

What?

With treasuries where they are, you are not going to make money in treasuries at all.

No one is in treasuries to make money. They are in treasuries to not lose money. What the Fed did was say that there is no chance you are losing money in Treasuries for the next two years.

His reason for justifying the up move convinced me it was a short-squeeze.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-10 08:26:01

“With treasuries where they are, you are not going to make money in treasuries at all.”

At least nominally in the short term. Inflation could end up doing a number on those bonds.

Last time the market tanked I chickened out and didn’t jump back in, I just didn’t know how low it would go. I could have more than doubled my money with HPQ.

This time once the next version of TARP, bailouts and QE are announced I’ll jump back in.

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Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-08-10 07:06:01

I am sure the boys at the PPT will try everything in their power to keep that from happening. They have a busy day ahead of them.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-10 11:49:34

They must be working overtime. The DOW is clawing back from a day low of 10,771. It’s at 10998 right now.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-10 14:53:08

Ha! I was wrong! The PPT’s arms aren’t quite so strong!

The Dow might close below 10,000 by Friday.

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Comment by bink
2011-08-10 13:17:07

I nominate this post for “prediction of the day”. Down 520 in the end.

Comment by polly
2011-08-10 14:06:26

And S&P down 52. And Nasdaq down 101.

Lots of pain to spread around.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 06:47:55

The message the Fed may not have meant to send: A recessionless-recession is on the way…

Highlighting Just How Negative the FOMC Statement Really Was
Posted: August 9, 2011 at 3:30 pm

If you pick through the FOMC statement made by Ben Bernanke and friends today, you will get a picture of just how bad things are in the economy. We transposed the entire statement and highlighted the sentences that had a negative tone to them. They did not call it a recession, but maybe they might admit to a recessionless-recession….

-Jon C. Ogg

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-10 06:49:19

“It has been an issue for the young girls, the catcalling, the ‘hey girlie,’”

I have seen this at Wal Mart in Jupiter, a group of Guatemalan men harassing young girls. When caught they put their heads down and walk quickly away.

Closing of Palm Beach County day-labor center leaves workers back on the streets

By Mitra Malek Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 8:38 a.m. Wednesday, Aug. 10, 2011

LOXAHATCHEE GROVES — Workers are back at street corners along Okeechobee Boulevard, hoping to trade manual toil for money.

Buena Fe, one of only two day-labor centers in Palm Beach County, closed last month.

The slow economy forced the hand of the church that ran the center, said the Rev. Calvin Lyerla of Acts II Worship Center.

“We just could no longer justify the expense,” Lyerla said.

Only 15 to 20 workers came to Buena Fe daily this year, about half the number compared with early days. And only 8 to 10 employers used the center daily for the same period. The center registered a total of 1,065 workers and 87 employers.

For a while, Buena Fe boomed. Plenty of migrant workers, most from Mexico and Guatemala, “It has been an issue for the young girls, the catcalling, the ‘hey girlie,’” , biked to the double-wide trailer on Okeechobee Boulevard. That kept drivers and workers safe; Okeechobee Boulevard is a quick-moving thoroughfare that doesn’t lend itself to the stop-and-go traffic of employers scouting for laborers.

Loxahatchee Groves Landowners Association President Marge Herzog also is concerned about whether children waiting at bus stops near the corners in pre-dawn hours will be comfortable with a group of men nearby.

“It has been an issue for the young girls, the catcalling, the ‘hey girlie,’” said Herzog, who was vice mayor when opened.

Buena Fe’s shuttering follows that of the Lake Worth Resource Center, which closed in December after two years. El Sol in Jupiter is still open, launching in September 2006.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 10:19:31

If I were there, I’d glare at those guys and yell “Que te pasa?”

And that would just be the beginning. I can rant and rave in Spanish too.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-10 13:51:35

Hey Slim, see if you can dance to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSs4u1EKXRk

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 06:50:27

Since everyone knows QE3 is in the bag, there should be little ’shock and awe’ effect on prices when it is eventually announced, but lots of (negative) ’shock and awe’ if traders are disappointed.

QE3 is still ‘inevitable’
August 9, 2011, 5:26 PM

The Federal Reserve didn’t announce any quantitative easing measures in its statement, but the probability of QE3 is still inevitable, according to Robert Barone, an investment adviser representative at Ancora West Advisors in Reno, Nev.

The Fed recognized that the economy is weakening, he said, and the committee said downside risks to the economic outlook have increased.

“Let’s remember that Bernanke told Congress in July that the Fed would intervene to buy Treasurys if the economy began to stall or if deflation re-emerged as a threat,” said Barone. The vote among Fed officials was 7-3, so Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke may just “have to wait for weaker economic data to emerge to get the FOMC support he desires.”

-Myra Saefong

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 07:40:34

QE3 is still ‘inevitable’

“unforeseeable” says, Minister for International Development; Simon Foster

“one must climb the hill of difficulty…”

(In the Loop) ;-)

heheeeheeeheehaahaaahaaheeehaahaaa… (Hwy50™)

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 07:02:51

Filed under: Don’t change! Don’t Change! Don’t Change! …or…is Hummer a noun or adjective? ;-)

Here Comes the Sun: Ford and SunPower Team up to Let Focus Electric Customers ‘Drive Green for Life’:
DEARBORN, Mich., Aug. 10, 2011 /PRNewswire/

The Power of Choice

The 2.5 kilowatt rooftop solar system is comprised of the SunPower® E18 Series solar panels that produce an average of 3,000 kilowatt hours of electricity annually.
These high-efficiency solar panels generate
approximately 50 percent more electricity than conventional panels and utilize a smaller footprint on the roof.

The system was sized to accommodate a customer who drives about 1,000 miles per month.

The complete SunPower solar system is offered at a base price of less than $10,000*, after federal tax credits. Local and state rebates, along with other incentives, may drive the system cost down even more, depending on a customer’s location. Included in the purchase is a residential monitoring system, which includes the ability to track the performance of their solar system on the web or through an iPhone application. Affordable financing options for the solar system are available through SunPower.

Electrification is an important piece of Ford’s overall product sustainability strategy, which includes the launch of five electrified vehicles in North America by 2012 and in Europe by 2013. Ford launched the Transit Connect Electric small commercial van in 2010 and will launch the all-new Focus Electric later this year. In 2012, these models will be joined in North America by the new C-MAX Hybrid, a second next-generation lithium-ion battery hybrid and C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid. This diverse range of electrified vehicles allows Ford to meet a variety of consumer driving needs.

Ford and SunPower team up to provide a high-efficiency rooftop solar system that will provide Focus Electric owners enough renewable energy production to offset the energy used for charging

The 2.5 kilowatt SunPower system will produce an estimated 3,000 kilowatt hours of electricity annually. SunPower systems are backed by a 25-year warranty.

Ford’s aggressive electrification strategy includes the launch of five electrified vehicles in North America by 2012 and Europe by 2013. The new Focus Electric is a zero-emissions, gasoline-free version of Ford’s popular global Focus model.

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 07:07:43

Two companies that can’t sell their products, looking to swap customer lists in hopes of cross-selling?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 07:23:02

Eyes simply wondering how eyes can re-configure the output to supplement Hwy’s Blog-Ger lounge ice-maker. :-)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-10 10:50:49

I don’t know the electric car, but solar power is selling like water in the desert everywhere in the world but here.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 11:57:24

Eco, how are the poorer countries affording solar?

They must not be powering their homes with it. Maybe a water pump or one TV set’s worth? In the US, it’s not worth it.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 12:25:30

I’m of the mind that, at the device level, solar is quite feasible. At the whole-building level, not with the technology that we currently have.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 13:29:27

Well, that’s okay AZ Slim. It took 24 years to go from Wright to Limburgh. And that was before we had Presidents who the ripped the product off the roof of his House.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 13:47:48

Well, that’s okay AZ Slim. It took 24 years to go from Wright to Limburgh. And that was before we had Presidents who the ripped the product off the roof of his House.

I’ve always had a soft spot in my heart for those bicycle shop-owning Wright Brothers.

As for Charles Lindbergh, I really feel sorry for his wife. Sounds like Charles was a real cold fish.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 07:12:36

I read somewhere that baseball bat sales have gone through the roof in the UK. Apparently they are partial to wooden bats.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-10 07:21:45

Amazon UK’s riot gear sales soar: Aluminum bats up 6,000%

By Julianne Pepitone
@CNNMoneyTech
August 9, 2011: 2:37 PM ET

Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 07:29:41

Wow! No surprise though, people will defend themselves and since they can’t have guns, you get what you can.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-10 08:43:01

I read somewhere that baseball bat sales have gone through the roof in the UK.

Don’t most Brits already own a cricket bat?

Comment by butters
2011-08-10 09:10:04

I was going to say the same thing. I guess cricket bats tried and failed.

Comment by Al
2011-08-10 11:25:53

Baseball bat = good for beating on someone.

Cricket bat = good for spanking someone.

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Comment by skroodle
2011-08-10 16:14:07

Tooo much information there Al…

 
Comment by Robin
2011-08-10 23:39:12

Brinkmann flashlight with five D-Cells was standard issue in the ’80s. Probably heavier and stronger than a baton. Within 18″ as I speak.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-10 07:14:05

Looks like the stock market is getting stronger. That is, it is falling closer to fair value, at which point it will have a solid foundation. But there is a long way to go.

Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2011-08-10 07:59:33

What do you think that fair valuation is? Wife and I closed out our savings accounts and are prepping to move the balance to a broker so that we are in a position to average into the market. We are looking to solid, dividend-paying stocks (maybe a fund). We need to make a plan and are considering a couple:

1) Set triggers to buy in set amounts (e.g., 5% of cash when market hits 10000, 15% at 9000, 25% at 8500, 25% at 8000, and 30% at 7500).

2) Just average in 5.6% every month over 18 months.

It’s a bit scary but I think there are dividends that will pay 3-5% no problem over a few years. It’s clear we aren’t going to get anything in our savings accounts through 2013!

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 08:11:31

$1.7T a year federal government deficits are the only thing keeping our debt based economy going. All indications are that is going to have to come to an end.

What is a good level for the DOW when we resume full collapse like we were in 2008 before the government stepped in with massive deficit spending to support it?

My guess….. 2000? Maybe? Just a wild guess.

That is a full collapse scenario. If we just turn Japaneese and let it slowly slide decade after decade??? Well, 20 years later, Japan’s Neikki 225 is about 75% off peak, not inflated for inflation.

Do not forget these numbers. Google up the Federal Reserve Z1 and look at table D3. Add the 1980 household debt and business debt. Multiply by 2.4 for inflaiton and 1.2 for population. You get that sustainable debt growth should have us a tad over $8T in debt. Now check the 2011 figures. We actually have $24T in debt.

When households and businesses coulf not continue to grow debt at an unsustainable rate, government stepped up as the borrower of last resort and began pumping in $1.5T a year new money and debt.

When the government steps out, as it is going to have to, about 2/3rds of debt AND its offsetting money, are going to have to go away.

Dividends can go away in an instant.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 09:11:13

Based on what I’ve seen over the past few years, dividends will be the LAST things to go away. Companies will cut pensions and ALL their workers and pensions before they risk the wrath of their stockholders. They’ll go belly up, but they’ll pay dividends up to the last minute.

There’s never been a better time to homestead…

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Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-10 08:23:10

The dividend yield has to get up over 3.0%, perhaps over 4.0%. That is a one third to one half drop off the peak, assumng there is no reduction in dividends.

Of course they could always shift money to dividends by cutting executive pay.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 11:59:37

Stock market is still down 275 from yesterday. That seems to be the pattern. Drop 400 points, then “huge rally” 200 of them back at the end to make happy on the news. End result: a thousand points down per week. At this rate will see 8000 by the end of September. Just like any other crash.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 07:22:01

More banks are starting to eat their own. Of course the only effect the cuts will have on the top dogs is to increase “their” bottom lines.

ITEM: Bank of New York Mellon plans to cut 1,500 jobs, or about 3 pct of workforce. August 10, 2011

NEW YORK (AP) — Bank of New York Mellon Corp. says it will cut about 1,500 jobs, or 3 percent of its work force, in another sign of the banking industry’s struggles.

CEO Bob Kelly says the bank’s revenue has been growing but that “expenses have been growing unsustainably faster.”

The bank says it will freeze hiring and reduce the use of temporary workers, consultants and contractors to try to minimize layoffs. It has also been trying to trim expenses in other areas.

Its shares fell 60 cents, or 2.8 percent, to $20.51 on morning trading.

BNY Mellon, the country’s sixth-largest by assets, has flown under the radar for much of the financial crisis, losing money in the third quarter of 2009 but otherwise staying profitable.

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 07:37:40

Hooligans Run Wild in Britain

While watching videos of the riots in London, Manchester, and elsewhere last night I was struck by one impressive scene in which an entire row of shops had smashed windows and were being looted…except one. Right in the middle was a bookstore that had not been touched. It was entirely unscathed, while all the others were wrecks.

Two possibilities came to mind: 1/ These marauding youths held books in such high regard they left the shop alone, or 2/ Books held no value for them whatever. They weren’t worth taking.

Naturally, I suspect the latter.

Comment by 2banana
2011-08-10 07:58:35

3/ The owner of Bookstore defended his store.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-10 08:20:23

4/ A family member of the bookstore owner or him/herself was one of the marauders.

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 08:13:43

It is amazing that all this anger is being directed at all the consumer goods that people think they can get away with stealing.

 
Comment by palmetto
2011-08-10 08:33:16

AHA! A HBB angle to the “troubles” in England. UK riots could discourage property investment in London ‘burbs. Gee, ya think?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/10/property-riots-idUSL6E7JA17B20110810

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-10 09:36:58

There has never been a better time to loot and burn $hit.

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 10:17:43

loot and burn now before you are policed out forever.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-10 10:51:59

Ever tried to pawn a book? :lol:

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 08:00:51

No the flapping heads on CNBC are saying that if congress could reach a grand bargain, DOW would be up 1500 in a day.

What? Cutting spending and raising taxes will put us into deep recession. How is a deep recession good for stocks?

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-10 08:18:36

It really goads me to hear them make remarks like this and mention nothing of the Freddie/Fannie and bank rescues. Let’s talk about all the toxic assets the Fed gov has taken on to its books and how that’s affecting our budget.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 08:12:28

Bond Investors Show Faith in Fed After S&P Cut- Bloomberg

The $9.4 trillion U.S. government bond market is proving Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke matters more than Standard & Poor’s.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-10 09:40:49

I’m pretty sure S&P can’t print money.

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 10:19:24

It shows that fear of stocks because all signs are pointing to return to collapse.

Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 11:46:31

Yep…DOW 5000 heading our way.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 08:17:34

PepsiCo Joins Honda Bracing for Weak Demand -(Bloomberg)

From soft-drink producers to wristwatch companies and automakers to cable TV providers, corporations worldwide are seeing weak consumer demand.

PepsiCo Inc.’s chief executive officer said companies need to see increased demand for their products before they will start putting cash to work on expansion. Watchmaker Fossil Inc. (FOSL) predicted disappointing profit because of reduced consumer spending, and Honda Motor Co. said the possibility of delayed car purchases may lead to a revised forecast. Cablevision Systems Corp. (CVC) said customers are dropping subscriptions.

“You’ve got to stimulate demand growth,” said Indra Nooyi, CEO of Purchase, New York-based PepsiCo, in an interview. “Until we stimulate primary consumption, the cash will continue to sit on the sidelines.”

The companies’ warnings follow a cut to the U.S. credit rating on Aug. 5 and a two-week rout in global equity markets as investors dumped stocks in favor of gold and Treasuries. With three European countries having required bailouts, concern over weakening demand and rising unemployment is spreading. A report yesterday said confidence among small businesses fell in July for the fifth consecutive month as the sales outlook dimmed.

Comment by measton
2011-08-10 10:15:24

I couldn’t laugh harder

These MF CEO’s saying we need to stimulate demand, while doing everything possible to kill demand at the corporate and gov level.
They lobby for tax breaks for the elite, tax breaks for outsourcing, they kill pensions and cut salaries and their work force.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 16:26:10

It’s all that job-killing regulation and taxation that is eating into demand, doncha know.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-10 10:55:11

“Until we stimulate primary consumption, the cash will continue to sit on the sidelines.”

The only “cash sitting on the sidelines” is your refusal to pay good wages and hire more people.

Your consumer/employees are BROKE!

Comment by Robin
2011-08-10 23:43:05

+10

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 08:26:02

“It could be structured by cows and we would rate it,” one S&P analyst wrote to another in 2007.

“These guys personify amateur hour.”

$tandard & make’emPoor, = “True$editionist$$erialEnabler$™”

“Boycott ‘em!” (& their Fee$ible Opinionbaiter$ Progno$tication$) ;-)

S&P Slammed After U.S. Downgrade:
By Yahoo! News | Daily Ticker

U.S. solvency.

Still, it’s not just Team Obama that isn’t lining up behind S&P. Rep. Eric Cantor, the number two Republican in the House, urged his colleagues Monday to maintain a hard line against tax increases, despite S&P’s clear statement that it acted in part because of Repubican intransigence on the issue.

More important, far from running away from U.S. Treasury bonds, investors are flocking to them, suggesting that they see the chances of a default as slimmer than ever.

S&P’s critics argue that the credit raters are digging in on what amounts to a self-fulfilling prophecy. The decision “smacked of an institution starting with a conclusion and shaping any arguments to fit it”

["it'll be Ea$y pea$y lemon $queezy" Minister for International Development Simon Foster]

["No it won't, ...it'll be Difficult, Difficult, lemon Difficult!" Minister for International Development aide, Toby]

:-)

“The debt is issued in dollars. That means it is payable in dollars. The U.S. government prints dollars,…”This means that if for some reason the government was unable to tax or borrow to raise the money to pay its debt then it could always print it. This may carry a risk of inflation, but S&P is not in the business of making inflation predictions, they are in the business of assessing the likelihood that debt will be repaid.”

Elsewhere in the blogosphere, there have even been questions about S&P’s basic competence. “To say that S&P analysts aren’t the sharpest tools in the drawer is a massive understatement,” writes one prominent finance blogger and former lawyer for an investment bank, who claims to have had “extensive” experience with all three major ratings agencies. “These guys personify amateur hour.”

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 16:29:02

France may be downgraded to AA+.

If everyone is downgraded, who cares?

“France came under pressure Wednesday amid concerns that it could become the next country to lose its top AAA rating. The cost of insuring against a default of French government debt hit a record, according to data from Markit.”

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2015865299_apuswallstreet.html

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 08:31:02

The chickens have been trying to come home to roost for a long,long time, but have been shooed off each time. This time the outcome is shaping up to be different.

European Shares Extend Losses, French Banks Plunge
10 Aug 2011 | By: Reuters

European shares fell further in late trade on Wednesday as French bank Societe Generale sank to its lowest level in 2-1/2 years.

The steep fall in SocGen’s shares, its biggest one day percentage fall in 23 years, was initially attributed by traders to concerns that France might lose its triple-A credit rating.

However, its share price continued to drop even after all three major ratings agencies had confirmed France’s triple-A rating. That prompted new rumours to emerge about the outlook of the bank.

SocGen was not immediately available for comment.

SocGen fell more than 21 percent at one point to as low as 20.16 euros, its weakest since March 2009.

 
Comment by OcBystander
2011-08-10 08:38:13

White House Said to Set Goal to Ease Pressure on Housing Prices

“The Obama administration is seeking ideas from investors on how to convert thousands of foreclosed properties into rental homes, administration officials said.”

I officially give up.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 09:18:42

“The goal is to shrink the pool of foreclosed properties for sale and boost stagnant home prices by finding investors to buy large pools of foreclosed properties owned by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Partnerships involving enterprise properties may reduce taxpayer losses and meet the enterprises’ responsibility to bring stability and liquidity to housing markets,” FHFA Acting Director Edward J. DeMarco said in the press release. ”

———-

“Investors.” “Partnerships.” I know what that means. I’m about to be a-pounded by a Joshua tree. Again.

Comment by OcBystander
2011-08-10 09:37:59

“I’m about to be a-pounded by a Joshua tree. Again.”

Yes, I believe part of the GSE and FHA mandate includes authoring a compendium on flora suited just for this purpose.

Theoretically, though, won’t more rental properties reduce prices …?

Comment by michael
2011-08-10 09:58:48

more rentals should reduce rents which should reduce the demand for houses which should reduce the price of houses.

but “should” left the building along time ago.

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-10 09:56:03

You can always count on the Obama administration for all the brilliant, fair solutions to just about any problem.

Those guys have such great ideas!

Comment by butters
2011-08-10 10:40:56

Don’t they have that always brilliant Larry Summers?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 11:10:43

Summers went back to Harvard.

And he’s not the only high-ranking Obama economic team member who’s bailed. Jared Bernstein, Peter Orszag, Christina Romer, and Paul Volcker are gone too. Mr. White Board, Austan Goolsbee, is on his way out.

Which leaves Tim Geithner. I don’t care what anyone else says, but I think he’s updating his resume and having discreet conversations about job opportunities elsewhere.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-10 11:00:40

“I officially give up.”

I laughed when I saw this but it was gallows humor.

There are to be no advantages allowed for the peasantry.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-08-10 11:25:06

“The Obama administration is seeking ideas from investors on how to convert thousands of foreclosed properties into rental homes, administration officials said.”

I’ve got an idea: how about getting the f%@& out of the way and letting the free market accomplish exactly that?

As housing prices decline, it makes more and more economic sense for investors to step in, buy the foreclosures, and turn them into rentals. If the would just stop preventing the process of decline, it would happen.

Of course, this is obviously double-speak, and they really do not want these homes on the rental market, unless of course the benefit goes to the chosen few. Power exists to direct power.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 12:10:13

They want to hoodwink investors into buying at a higher price, bEFORE the natural bottom kicks in. However, if investors were stupid enough to catch that falling knife, they would have done it already.

My guess is that the fed gov will bluster, hold a lot of public meetings, get no takers, and eventually abandon the idea. the houses will decay to nothing, the states will be forced to bulldoze. The fed gov will spot the broke states the bulldoze money, and throw that funding onto Mt. Debtmore with everything else.

Instead of “our children and grandchildren,” politicians will say “our children and grandchildren and great-gran — aw huck what do I care I’ll be dead.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 12:28:36

They want to hoodwink investors into buying at a higher price, bEFORE the natural bottom kicks in. However, if investors were stupid enough to catch that falling knife, they would have done it already.

Here in Tucson, the falling knife-catching investors are snapping things up right and left.

However, their near- and long-term prospects aren’t so rosy. From a blogging buddy of mine:

Tucson’s 15.9% rental vacancy rate: Mini-dorms in a sick housing market

Key point from her post:

Each August Tucson– like college towns nationwide– sees a flurry of activity as students move back to town and scramble to find lodging.

In recent years, local mini-dorm developers have gone wild– buying up cheap houses (thanks to record foreclosures and a glut of houses for sale), unceremoniously leveling the said houses, and constructing mini-dorms– the scurge of Tucson’s University-area neighborhoods.

This year– with a 15.9 percent rental vacancy rate– Tucson is a renters’ market. For rent signs abound. Good for students and other renters. Not so good for landlords and mini-dorm developers.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 18:26:22

I have a great idea! Get the gubmint off the housing market’s back and let prices fall to a level where they pencil out as rentals. Investors will snap them up and the market will adjust to balance the cost of renting versus that of owning.

Why are politicians so deeply distrustful of free markets that they never let them operate properly?

 
Comment by rms
2011-08-10 21:42:12

“White House Seeks Ideas for Selling, Renting Foreclosed Homes”

An acquaintance was upside-down for twelve years out in Lancaster, CA following the Soviet collapse, and the government relocated many Section 8 families into these former Fannie and Freddie foreclosures.

When values returned they immediately sold and left the area. They could have stayed and made some money on the upswing, but they were adamant about leaving being “working crackers” in an ocean of welfare minorities.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-08-10 08:46:43

Some timely quotes from Gerald Celente ,Director of Trend Journel ,
he said in essence …..

” …when the money stops flowing to the man on the street ,the
blood starts flowing in the streets .”

‘…the Bail Outs were a cover up and merger of State and Coporate
powers that went to the Ultra rich and everyone else has gotten poorer .”

“Wall Street is a rigged game .”

“US going into greatest Depression and the World will follow .”
“…you can’t spend your way out of problems ,you have to produce your way out of problems. ”

“…..the 2008 Bail Outs were the wrong choice .”

He also thinks that they might put a cap on Gold eventually .He also thinks the comparisions the Experts make with the 1930 Depression
are not accurate with this recession and the conditions were totally different

This guy has been accurate a lot of times for 30 years . He also believes that the riots World wide are due to lack of money in the hands of the workers ,(now a lot unemployed ), while the corrupted upper elite is taking all
the money . He believes in the near future there will be more crime ,riots ,and you name it .

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 09:09:51

It isn’t like money is some fixed commidity with limited quantity.

Money is the result of debt creation. What the people with money have, is a bunch of ledger entries that says the people with debt owe them. If the people with debt decide not to pay, then the money goes away.

Money is the result of trade imbalances. We can not fix our troubles without fixing the trare imbalances.

It has been said that if you take all the money and give it to the poor, then within 2 years all the money would be back in the hands of the rich. This is probably correct since the trade imbalances would still exist, and money is the result of the trade imbalances.

NO ONE wants to talk about trade imbalances. Oh.. well, you have Bernanke. But all he talks about are international trade imbalances, not the domestic ones. And even then, he is trying to use exchange rates to adjust imbalances, but it isn’t working because our largest trading partners take actions to ensure their currencies remain pegged to ours so the imbalances can continue.

Comment by measton
2011-08-10 10:21:15

It has been said that if you take all the money and give it to the poor, then within 2 years all the money would be back in the hands of the rich. This is probably correct since the trade imbalances would still exist, and money is the result of the trade imbalances

Assuming this is true, during those 2 years tax revenues and unemployment would be much lower.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-10 10:57:52

That saying was coined neocons.

That should tell you everything.

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Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-10 12:33:34

It certainly reinforces their views of themselves and of their underlings if nothing else!

 
Comment by Robin
2011-08-10 23:53:41

But is it true? Why or why not? Don’t just blow it off!

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-08-10 10:23:43

Celente goes into great deatail about the trade imbalnce and the joke of it and the Globalism problems . I just found this guy a few days ago and if you go to his website he has interesting tapes .He has been on all the MSM stations and they consider him a doomer in spite of his accurate predictions for many years .

He basically things production is the way out ,along with a lot of other sound ideas that I agree with ,

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-10 10:52:41

Love how he calls the bankers the white shoe boys and said if they had names like Pucccini and Martinelli instead of others we’d be referring to their tactics as that of the mob.

My other favorite saying of his: ” When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it.” Every time I see a riot somewhere those words ring in my ears.

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Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 10:54:27

I only see 2 options.

1) Money starts getting into the hands of the people that owe the money so that they can pay it back. The people that currently have the money do not want this because they would then have to have less money.

2) If those that owe can not get the money back, then they can not repay it, it defaults and goes away. Again, those that have the money do not want this as it means they will have less money.

MONEY IS AN IOU, that can only retain its value if the people that owe it have a chance of working in exchange for enough money to pay it back!

We need to undo supply-side economics based on trade imbalances and ever growing debt, and reverse those trade imbalances so the poeple in debt have a chance of paying it back.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-08-10 11:42:37

Yes I agree with you Darrell. More jobs ,higher wages ,proper trade balances and tariffs ,taxing the rich more (at least for a timespan ),incentives or penalities to
Corporations who outsourse or outmanufacture . Also it would be nice if health costs weren’t the result of price fixing monopolies and health care could be done for 50% less like other Countries .

The rich calling for Social Security funds and any means to put less in the hands of the various regular people is simply a attempt to have more money available to them by all means possible . It doesn’t help the situation of the debt problem by putting more money in the hands of the rich ,who most likely wouldn’t spend the money gained in America anyway in terms of job creation these days .

In fact everything they want to cut is money directly spent in America (except Military ) ,so how does that help the cash flow in America . At least the SSI funds usually are spent in America . That’s why I don’t care if they give government workers a good wage ,at least its
usully spent in America and the taxes on those wages are
collected for America .

I also think that when a middleman or a multi-national usa
corporation manufactures outside of America or they are the middle man for production outside of America ,they should be treated as a foreign Country and pay stiff tariffs ,You shouldn’t be able to enjoy the greater profits of slave wage World Wide ,as well as the tax breaks if you take jobs and money and tax base out of America ,

This would mess up the whole Globalism game that is going on right now ,but its not the responsiblity of the
USA to provide a platform for USA Companies or middlemen to create a monopoly that crushes the USA ability to be competitive without dropping USA workers in favor of slave wage workers .
Who would want that crap from China if it was taxed properly ,its already overpriced .

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-10 11:44:30

MONEY IS AN IOU, that can only retain its value if the people that owe it have a chance of working in exchange for enough money to pay it back!

Exactly. Fiats are basically promissory notes, except instead of being promised by one person, they are backed by “the good faith” of the USA, which in other words is all of us.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 09:21:27

Korean Stock Broker Leaps to Death Amid Market Plunge
South Korean trader texted colleagues his sorrow over losses
By Greg Wilson- NBC

A South Korean stock broker jumped to his death from a high-rise office amid worldwide market turmoil.

The 48-year-old broker, identified only as “Seo,” sent text messages to colleagues expressing regret over severe losses, just minutes before leaping to his death Wednesday in the city of Daegu, according to Chief investigator Lee Kang-ho.

Comment by butters
2011-08-10 09:29:32

Respect.

Wallstreet should know there’s an easier way out there than asking for a public bailout.

 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-10 09:39:43

That guy would have qualified for a bonus-hike if he worked for Goldman. American swindlers don’t jump. They high-five.

Comment by measton
2011-08-10 10:23:00

He didn’t send his regret to investors or customers he sent it to colleagues.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 18:23:02

Too bad the poor guy didn’t figure out there are more important things in life than the money you make (or lose) before it was too late for him.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 09:29:08

We gave up cable at least 5 years ago. I don’t miss it in the least.

~ Pay TV industry loses record number of subscribers
Subscribers hang up on cable and satellite in 2Q; cos. blame economy as Internet threat looms

NEW YORK (AP) — The weak economy is hitting Americans where they spend a lot of their free time: at the TV set.

They’re canceling or forgoing cable and satellite TV subscriptions in record numbers, according to an analysis by The Associated Press of the companies’ quarterly earnings reports.

The U.S. subscription-TV industry first showed a small net loss of subscribers a year ago. This year, that trickle has turned into a stream. The chief cause appears to be persistently high unemployment and a housing market that has many people living with their parents, reducing the need for a separate cable bill.

But it’s also possible that people are canceling cable, or never signing up in the first place, because they’re watching cheap Internet video. Such a threat has been hanging over the industry. If that’s the case, viewers can expect more restrictions on online video, as TV companies and Hollywood studios try to make sure that they get paid for what they produce.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-10 09:35:52

Good luck to them. The majority of what I consume was produced long ago.

Comment by wolfgirl
2011-08-10 11:09:22

Current show we really like: Dr. Who, Torchwood, and Sherlock. Two are British and the third was British.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-10 09:45:30

Sorry cable guy.

Remember when the Telecom act was passed and consumers wanted to be able to purchase individual channels a la carte, but your lobbyists prevented the FCC from ordering that option?

Well guess what?

Comment by measton
2011-08-10 10:29:26

BINGO

This is hurting conduit providers more than content providers. Content providers also put adds on their internet programming. With more people watching they will get more money for those adds. This is why the internet and cable providers want to be able to control how fast you receive information over the internet. This way they can force Hulu to pay for a fast rate and Hulu will have to charge customers more.

This is exactly why conduits should be run like public utilities. A cap on CEO pay and earnings with any higher earnings being returned to customers. Then content providers can Compete for business in an open playing field, small and large producers would have equal access to customers.

Of course that would be regulation, the Tea Party types would rather let cable and phone providers strangle content providers and customers.

 
Comment by Elanor
2011-08-10 11:19:47

+1

 
 
Comment by OcBystander
2011-08-10 09:46:37

I would sign up for satellite/cable, if I could pick and choose channels (preferably shows) a la carte. I don’t need another $50 utility bill, but could stomach a $10-15 one. If this pace of attrition keeps up, I imagine things will start quickly heading this way for these providers.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 10:27:32

I sure hope so!

My Cox bill is a shade under $50 a month just for high-speed Internet. I find it very hard to believe that their cost of providing me with this service is anywhere near $50. I’d say that it’s probably down in the single digits.

So, what’s the rest? I’ll betcha that a lot of it consists of marketing costs. (See my comments up above on their lovely mailings about teevee promotions.)

Not to mention lofty salaries for top executives. Gotta have those too. (Think of the talent that they have to retain!)

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 10:23:48

I’m using Tucson’s cable monopoly, Cox Communications, for my super-duper fast Internet connection. If I had another choice in the marketplace, I’d be Cox-free in a nanosecond. But I digress.

It seems as if Cox sends me at least one mailing a week about their latest teevee offering. It doesn’t seem to occur to them that this house has no teevee. I only use Cox for the Internet.

So, their very attractively designed mailings go right into my recycle bin.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 10:47:18

I have Cox internet, tv and phone, in the bundle package crud.

Still I get mail and door hangers offering the Cox bundle. So, it isn’t just the people that don’t have tv that they hit. It is everyone’s trash can.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-10 10:45:44

IMHO there’s not much to miss. I absolutely agree w/the ala carte comments. My cable’s gone too and as soon as I can train dear daughter to carry her cell phone w/her everywhere the home phone’s going next.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-08-10 12:00:16

My bundle cable/phone /internet costs have doubled in the last 5 years . All the cable companies offer deals that are very similar in costs ,so I can’t help but think price fixing .If you get a deal at first it increases to the price fixed rate for all the Conmpanies ,that has been my observation anyway ,

True capitalsim put a cap on costs by numerous competition and supply and demand .All we get these days is price fixing monopolies moving in step with each other .

What I find interesting is that China is the bigfgest Monopoly of them all in that nobody can compete with this level of slave labor .This forces USA Companies and Middle men to manufacture in China or be the middle man for China manufacturing .

Economies need to be based on the wages of that Country ,not the wages of another Country .

Comment by drumminj
2011-08-10 14:42:13

.This forces USA Companies and Middle men to manufacture in China or be the middle man for China manufacturing .

Not true. There can be other value adds. It’s the CONSUMERS that force this…they’re choosing to buy cheap chinese-made crap and put themselves out of jobs.

Americans could choose to buy local. Local businesses/manufacturers could find ways to offer more value for the price - quality guarantees and such.

Many people will choose to buy/patronize local stores if possible, and if reasonable. Heck, I bought new tires yesterday from the local shop rather than the national chain even though they couldn’t match the national chain. Why? I’d rather support my community, and the guy was friendly/helpful on the phone and did what he could to be as competitive as possible on the price.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 12:17:11

I understand why somebody would want to bundle channels; so that less well-known channels get a chance to be seen. On the other hand, just make those channel cost less, or offer a discount for buying the channel along with another one. Example: If you buy FoxNews for $2.29 a month, you have the option of buying the Palin channel for only $0.11 extra. Amazon does this very well. See? Not hard..

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-10 12:31:14

“But it’s also possible that people are canceling cable, or never signing up in the first place, because they’re watching cheap Internet video. ”

It’s also possible that the content is cr@p.

It’s also possible that people have less time because they are too busy fixing stuff, cutting their own lawn, etc. rather than being able to pay someone else to do it.

Tons of possibilities with one result: cable companies going down and more people losing their jobs.

‘Round and ’round the bowl we go…

 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 10:23:13

Remember when they kept saying:
sub-prime is contained…
losses won’t be any bigger than…
not a solvancy problem…
not a systemic risk…

All I’ve been hearing for 3 days is how this is not 2008.

If they have to say it….

Stocks start to drop, margin calls go out. People say, sorry, can’t make my margin calls, banks that loaned the money lose their tier 1 capital. People hear banks are experiencing tier 1 capital shrinkage, they move their deposits….

Comment by butters
2011-08-10 10:38:46

I don’t think it’s 2008 either. It’s 2007. 2012 will be 2008.

Comment by michael
2011-08-10 10:55:36

2012 will be worse than 2008.

Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 12:20:05

I have to agree 100%. 2012 ain’t gonna be pretty.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 16:54:37

Perhaps the Mayans were right. :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 18:21:44

“Remember when they kept saying:
sub-prime is contained…
losses won’t be any bigger than…
not a solvancy problem…
not a systemic risk…”

Current saying:

‘Don’t unload all of your stock positions.’

Great advice, provided you don’t mind riding on falling knives.

 
 
Comment by Patrick
2011-08-10 10:26:55

An interesting comment on HBB the other day - a landlord who was losing his rental property had to pay the relocation costs of his tenant.

Banks lent money to us, insured most of them thru F&F, and then sold the mortgages (but kept the administration and fees) in a bundle to WS who in turn sold them to investors, some of whom resold them at a profit and this bundle resale happened several times in some instances.

Now BofA wants to sell their admin package. Are they doing this because they can see the day when F&F will remove their insurance (just like other insurance companies do) because fraud might have been involved which probably invalidates the insurance contract.

I hope Uncle Sam doesn’t fall for this. Removal of the insurance package would cause a lot of trouble, but it is appropriate where fraudalent mortgages have been created.

Someone other than the gov has to be held responsible for the housing sales delay and the treat of removing the insurance might be the trick.

Lets take our medicine.

Comment by Steamed Bean
2011-08-10 11:54:23

I’d say BofA is selling its servicing rights because it needs the cash.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 12:30:03

Needs cash for servicing rights sales. Let’s not go there…

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-10 14:06:56

And whats wrong with that?

A lease works Both ways, the landlord wanted (or forced) to terminate the lease so he had to pay for the damages incurred by the tenant.

An interesting comment on HBB the other day - a landlord who was losing his rental property had to pay the relocation costs of his tenant.

 
 
Comment by Little Al
2011-08-10 11:06:13

Hey investors, how does that BP play look to you buying from now on into weakness with 2/3 value still shaved off for poor management and exposure in 90 countries? Duh?

 
Comment by butters
2011-08-10 11:28:41

Obama to meet Bernanke Wednesday


Obama - Help a brother out, Mr. Bernank!
Bernanke - No worries Mr Prezdent, I have passed on your message to my bosses.
Obama -What do they say?
Bernanke - They like you. They would like you to be around for some time to come.
Obama - That’s what I am talking about!

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-10 11:31:01

Are these ups in this market short squeezes? Pffft. Gonna go wash the dishes and wait to just read how it ends.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-08-10 11:45:34

CarrieAnn ..looks like it’s down 285 right this second .

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 12:25:06

Nope, the rally stalled and now it’s down 380. And this is on top of the 1000 it’s down since last week. You can’t drop 400 and then rally 200 and call it good.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-10 13:12:12

Diane Sawyer actually broke into the regular programming at 4:58 to say the DOW was down over 500 points. See what happens when I walk away? Major serious storm knocking at our door to boot so I gotta log off before I read all the analysis. Dang!!!!

PPT no where to be seen. Does this mean their toolbox is almost empty?

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 11:47:58

Bank of America CEO: new shares are not an option

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Bank of America Corp (NYSE:BAC - News) will not continue to boost its capital through new share offerings after diluting its shares so much during the financial crisis, Chief Executive Brian Moynihan said.

The comment underscores the bank’s limited options as it wrestles with mortgage losses and higher capital needs. Moynihan was speaking on a call on Wednesday with more than 6,000 investors and analysts, which was organized by Fairholme Capital Management, one of the bank’s biggest investors.

The bank has other ways to improve its capital position, including selling assets, said Chief Financial Officer Bruce Thompson.

“As we look at capital and growing capital beyond the end of 2012, we have a number of levers that we will look to continue to utilize,” Thompson said.

Analysts in June estimated that the bank could need to boost capital by $50 billion to comply with new capital requirements. CEO Moynihan said last month that the bank can generate the new capital it needs through earnings.

But the bank may face liabilities from mortgages and mortgage securities that are difficult for investors to forecast.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 12:26:34

They need $50 billion? And they’re selling a half-bil to Fannie Mae?

Even Congress did better than that.

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 13:55:44

They just wait 3 years to foreclose instead of 2. They count the growing interest on those uncollectable loans as profit. Poof, recapitalized.

What’s the problem?

 
 
Comment by measton
2011-08-10 11:54:30

The days of the box store are numbered.
A small number of wage slaves guarding millions of dollars of goods will not work out for the elite for long.

http://news.yahoo.com/flash-mobsters-crowd-size-tempting-cover-090426131.html

As theft increases expect the elite to employ the same tactics used by the elite world wide when wealth disparity reaches the tipping point.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 13:53:33

Not sure I agree with your conclusion. One big box is a lot easier to defend than 100 small ones.

Comment by measton
2011-08-10 17:49:07

Not when those guarding it get paid minimum wage and are treated like crap while those who own it live no where near it.

If you own a road side stand and your entire livelyhood is dependent on you selling what’s in that stand my guess is you are more likely to defend your goods than say a minimum wage slob who looses nothing if a big screen TV goes out the door.

The profit margin of big box stores will take a big hit if they have to pay private security to guard their stuff. Sure they can put a single guard at the door to deter crime, but when a flash mob shows up I’d put my money on 30 shop owners guarding their goods vs 10 wage slaves and a security guard. In addition more nad more shoplifting will occur in big box stores where you don’t have anyone watching. Cities are cutting spending on cops and releasing prisoners do you really think shoplifting will be a high priority. If I’m unemployed and can’t feed my family you can bet I’d be showing up for some good looting at the big box stores over trying to rob a shop owner who might have a gun.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-10 18:11:31

After hurricane Katrina, the looters broke into Wal-Mart and went straight for the guns.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-10 23:53:13

Ox:

What color are the looters?

I saw people “breaking” into stores to get propane grills to cook up whatever perishable food they found still locked in the freezers and they were white.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 13:59:40

The final two grafs of the Yahoo story say it all:

Gillison and others blame at least part of the problem on bad parenting.

“They’re 12 years old and not around the corner from their home. Where’s their parents?” said Chitwood, the Upper Darby police chief. “If they’re out doing flash mob thefts when they’re 12, what the hell are they going to be doing when they’re 16?”

And here I am, going all HBB Librarian on you again. Here’s another book recommendation:

Your Kids Are Your Own Fault by Larry Winget

BTW, one of his sons was a real flake.

Then, one fine day, he had a sit-down with dad, admitted that he’d screwed up royally, then shared his self-improvement plan. Which meant that he was joining the Army. Dad was all for that.

Son served in the Army and is now a cop in Phoenix.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 11:55:21

So when Assad says, screw you, what’s next?

Obama Administration to Call for Syria’s Assad to Step Down
| FoxNews.com

The Obama administration is planning to explicitly call for Syrian President Bashar Assad to step down in coming days, two administration officials told FoxNews.

The State Department signaled for the first time that American efforts to engage the Syrian government are finally over. The White House is expected to lay out the tougher line by the end of this week, possibly on Thursday.

The administration will first consult with the United Nations Security Council as the Treasury Department prepares a new set of sanctions aimed at Assad’s family and his government, the officials told FoxNews.

The unilateral U.S. sanctions being prepared within the Treasury Department will be important to pay attention to, the officials said.

The calls for Assad’s resignation coincide with the rise in international pressure for his administration to end the brutal crackdown on civilian protestors. Rights groups say approximately 1,700 people have been killed since March. An aggressive new military offensive that began with the Muslim holy month of Ramadan a week ago has already killed several hundred.

Comment by michael
2011-08-10 12:10:47

“So when Assad says, screw you, what’s next?”

is oil involved?

if so…maybe some type of kinetic response.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 12:31:19

So when Assad says, screw you, what’s next?

He goes back to being an eye doctor in London? (Hey, a gal can always dream.)

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-10 12:33:35

OH I know another war??

The reality is that modern weapons allow a small # of people to control a large number of people who don’t have them.

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-08-10 14:43:57

The Obama administration is planning to explicitly call for Syrian President Bashar Assad to step down in coming days, two administration officials told FoxNews.

I wish someone would call for our government to step down…

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 12:34:38

So after this so called super congress panel of 12, gets it all wrong, what do we get next? A super duper panel of 24?

Federal deficit tops $1T for 3rd straight year

WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States’ budget deficit has topped $1 trillion for a third straight year, adding pressure on Congress and the White House to make more progress on a long-term plan to shrink the growing imbalance.

The Treasury Department said Wednesday that the deficit through July totaled $1.1 trillion. Three years ago, that would have been a record high for the full year.

This year’s deficit is on pace to exceed last year’s imbalance of $1.29 trillion. But it is likely to fall short of the record $1.41 trillion set in 2009.

For the first 10 months of the budget year, spending has risen 2.4 percent while revenue has climbed 8 percent. That’s a sign that more people are working and paying taxes, although unemployment remains high at 9.1 percent.

Record deficits have forced President Barack Obama and Congress to create a 12-member committee of lawmakers tasked with reducing the red ink over the next decade by $1.2 trillion. If the panel cannot agree on a plan by Thanksgiving, severe across-the-board spending cuts would go into effect automatically.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 13:49:05

Unless they realize the problem is imbalance in the economy, and push measures to attack that, then by definition they will get it wrong.

Supply-side economics requires constantly growing debt to create the new money that the imbalances require. If the government stops being the borrower of last resort, then the economy collapses, debt defaults and we in a long and ugly greater depression.

Comment by michael
2011-08-10 13:57:49

shouldn’t have creative destruction and market driven (not artificial) interest rates been some sort of regualtor to the credit bubble?

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 15:09:30

Not if we kept lowering interest rates and loosening lending standards.

You don’t need to use income to pay interest if you can just use more debt to pay the interest.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-10 18:09:33

“Record deficits have forced President Barack Obama and Congress to create a 12-member committee of lawmakers “

It wasn’t the deficits that forced it. It was election season politics.

I don’t know about the others, but Murray was just re-elected. So she should be less worried about any fallout from the pain that will be inflicted by either success or failure of the committee.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 12:44:21

The time will come one day when many manufactures who placed such big bets on China, will regret it. Of course they will want someone else to pay for it.

Ford Feeling Price Pressure in China - Bloomberg

Ford Motor Co. (F), seeking to accelerate its growth in China, said it’s encountering pricing pressure as that auto market slows.

“In the last three or four months, the auto industry clearly is not growing at the rate it was last year or even in the first quarter,” Joe Hinrichs, Ford’s group vice president and Asia chief, said today at the JP Morgan auto conference in Detroit. “We have seen some pricing pressure.”

Ford is spending $1.6 billion to build four factories in China, where it plans to triple its lineup by offering 15 models by mid-decade, Hinrichs said. Ford, still dependent on the U.S. and Europe for most sales and profits, has 2.7 percent of the passenger-vehicle market in China through June, trailing General Motors Co. (GM)’s 10 percent, according to J.D. Power & Associates.

Ford expects the Chinese government to eventually take measures to stimulate auto sales, Hinrichs said. Ford’s sales are up 13 percent to 14 percent so far this year, outpacing the market’s 5 percent growth rate, Hinrichs said.

“The growth rate is not nearly as aggressive” in China as it has been, Hinrichs said.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 13:46:30

“Ford expects the Chinese government to eventually take measures to stimulate auto sales,”

Freakin’ no good welfare bastards.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 13:08:24

DOW down 520 on it slow descent back way down, to what? 5000 or 6000? Over the next year.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 13:44:00

I said I wouldn’t be surprised if we were -600. Almost….

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 18:18:38

When are you guys planning to get back in? Is it safe to assume it will drop to 6000 again, as in March 2009?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 13:12:13

Fed Up: A Texas Bank Is Calling It Quits
By ROBIN SIDEL - WSJ

Main Street Bank lends most of its money to small businesses and is earning decent profits. But the Kingwood, Texas, bank is about to get out of the banking business.

In an extreme example of the frustration felt by many bankers as regulators toughen their oversight of the nation’s financial institutions, Main Street’s chairman, Thomas Depping, is expected to announce Wednesday that the 27-year-old bank will surrender its banking charter and sell its four branches to a nearby bank.

Texas turnaround: Thomas Depping, chairman of Main Street Bank, plans to give up the bank’s charter.

Mr. Depping plans to set up a new lender that will operate beyond the reach of banking regulators—and the deposit-insurance safety net. Backed by the private investment firm of Microsoft Corp. co-founder Paul Allen, the company won’t be able to call itself a bank, but it will be able to do business the way Mr. Depping wants.

“The regulatory environment makes it very difficult to do what we do,” says Mr. Depping, who last summer saw his bank hit with an enforcement order from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.

A spokesman for the FDIC declined to comment on Main Street, a unit of closely held MS Financial Inc. Dan Frasier, director of corporate activities for the Texas Department of Banking, confirmed that Main Street is “working on the process of moving out of the state banking system,” but declined to provide details.

Bankers have long complained about their overseers, but it is rare for a bank to basically close its doors aside from an acquisition or failure. Mr. Depping blames the move on a tightening regulatory noose.

Regulators came under fire in the financial crisis for lax oversight that allowed financial institutions to dole out too much credit to unworthy borrowers. Some bank executives now complain that federal and state agencies have swung to the other extreme, poring over minute details of virtually every loan, including those to small businesses.

“The No. 1 complaint that we hear from community bankers is that they feel that regulators have gone one step too far and are choking off lending,” says Paul Merski, chief economist at the Independent Community Bankers of America, a trade group that represents small banks.

Regulators defend their efforts, saying that intensive oversight is needed to prevent banks from taking too much risk and repeating the behavior that got the industry in trouble.

Mr. Depping has been on a collision course with regulators since 2009, when FDIC examiners began questioning the bank’s large concentration of small-business loans. Nearly all of Main Street’s $175 million loan portfolio has gone to customers like dentists, owners of fast-food franchises and delivery-truck drivers, who use the loans to purchase equipment. The bank’s average loan size is $100,000 to customers who have less than $1 million in annual revenue, Mr. Depping says.

Mr. Depping says that Main Street’s focus on small-business lending has sheltered the bank from much of the devastation that has swept the industry, including 385 bank failures since the start of 2008.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 13:41:16

I can’t shove enough risky, dangerous, likely to default new debt into the system and then dump in on suckers if I play by the rules of banking. So I will sell off my business and go into the business of making risky, dangerous, likely to default loans that I can sell off to suckers as a non-bank.

To me, this says we need more regulation, not less.

If $38T of household, business and government debt in the USA is not enough, then how much debt is enough?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 13:18:35

Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalized youngsters
By Max Hastings - Daily Mail UK

A few weeks after the U.S. city of Detroit was ravaged by 1967 race riots in which 43 people died, I was shown around the wrecked areas by a black reporter named Joe Strickland.

He said: ‘Don’t you believe all that stuff people here are giving media folk about how sorry they are about what happened. When they talk to each other, they say: “It was a great fire, man!” ’

I am sure that is what many of the young rioters, black and white, who have burned and looted in England through the past few shocking nights think today.

It was fun. It made life interesting. It got people to notice them. As a girl looter told a BBC reporter, it showed ‘the rich’ and the police that ‘we can do what we like’.

If you live a normal life of absolute futility, which we can assume most of this week’s rioters do, excitement of any kind is welcome. The people who wrecked swathes of property, burned vehicles and terrorized communities have no moral compass to make them susceptible to guilt or shame.

Most have no jobs to go to or exams they might pass. They know no family role models, for most live in homes in which the father is unemployed, or from which he has decamped.

They are illiterate and innumerate, beyond maybe some dexterity with computer games and BlackBerries.

They are essentially wild beasts. I use that phrase advisedly, because it seems appropriate to young people bereft of the discipline that might make them employable; of the conscience that distinguishes between right and wrong.

They respond only to instinctive animal impulses — to eat and drink, have sex, seize or destroy the accessible property of others.

Their behavior on the streets resembled that of the polar bear which attacked a Norwegian tourist camp last week. They were doing what came naturally and, unlike the bear, no one even shot them for it.

A former London police chief spoke a few years ago about the ‘feral children’ on his patch — another way of describing the same reality.

The depressing truth is that at the bottom of our society is a layer of young people with no skills, education, values or aspirations. They do not have what most of us would call ‘lives’: they simply exist.

Nobody has ever dared suggest to them that they need feel any allegiance to anything, least of all Britain or their community. They do not watch royal weddings or notice Test matches or take pride in being Londoners or Scousers or Brummies.

Not only do they know nothing of Britain’s past, they care nothing for its present.

They have their being only in video games and street-fights, casual drug use and crime, sometimes petty, sometimes serious.

The notions of doing a nine-to-five job, marrying and sticking with a wife and kids, taking up DIY or learning to read properly, are beyond their imaginations.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 13:37:11

Imbalances man, imbalances.

If everyone was willing to spend all of their income back into the system, preventing the buildup of money and offsetting debt, if everyone was willing to be no richer than everyone else…

However, some people want to sell more than they buy, creating a situation where someone else must buy more than they sell.

Debt and poverty are not human flaws. They are the inevitable counterparty to money and wealth.

One person may be able to rise up and sell more than they buy, but only if someone else is buying more and selling less.

Remember, EVERY trade has to have both a buyer and a seller.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-08-10 15:13:43

“However, some people want to sell more than they buy, creating a situation where someone else must buy more than they sell.”

So Darrell, a personal question for you: are you a saver? Do you thus feel a personal responsibility for someone else’s poverty?

I’m a saver by nature. Calling me an oppressor who creates poverty feels a bit unfair.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 15:30:46

I’m a saver by nature. Calling me an oppressor who creates poverty feels a bit unfair.

I’m a saver too. Matter of fact, I’m trying my darndest to get into the winner’s circle as an extreme saver.

And, for some strange reason, I think the author of this London riots article is also a saver.

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Comment by drumminj
2011-08-10 15:32:33

Calling me an oppressor who creates poverty feels a bit unfair

Help! Help! I’m being oppressed!

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Comment by AV0CAD0
2011-08-10 17:30:06

Some buyers are not using their money, some sellers are selling someone elses stuff. Fraud, scams, kickbacks…. it is not that clear.

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-10 18:34:27

Everything in moderation.

I doubt that most of you have saved a billion dollars yet. The top 0.1% control an ever larger fraction of the wealth and means of production. This is bad for everyone on this board and Darrel is right. Saving for retirement and college educations and houses is not the problem, this money will and does get spent. The problem is when the top 1% control 50% of stocks and 60-70% of financial securities, and business equity. My guess is that they control a much larger fraction of this when one considers tax havens, and hedge funds, art, gold and all the other forms of wealth. The top 0.1% use this wealth to manipulate governments and markets to acquire more wealth and that this is a vicious circle that eventually will result in the collapse of the society.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 13:49:55

The notions of doing a nine-to-five job, marrying and sticking with a wife and kids, taking up DIY or learning to read properly, are beyond their imaginations.

ISTR Bill Cosby saying similar things.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-10 14:56:02

yup and Bill was shot down by the status quo Kneegroes who have a vested interest in keeping their people down.

Political Correctness is over Finally….so no one can call me a racist by demanding black kids speak English and lose all summer vacations until they can communicate correctly.

Comment by ahansen
2011-08-11 08:18:08

No, we can call you a racist because you’re a hypocrite and an ignoramus. And you can’t spell for sheet.

Always fun to read your monotonous screeds and look for the grammatical and spelling errors.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-11 11:16:37

See that’s whats so fun about this board..It takes all kinds.

But race is going to be a big factor in a lot of things going forward, the Sun already posted pictures of the looters in the UK

Hmmm where are the white rednecks with the mullets doing drive bys and terrorizing innocent people?

 
 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-10 14:27:36

I dunno wmbz. When I was a young lass in Boston I once had a homeless man chase me into the traffic. He was in a complete rage. What I did that so enraged him?

When he asked me for change I wouldn’t look at him and kept walking.

That was 20-25 years ago but I contemplate that moment often. Ever since, I’ve been convinced that these people feel invisible and hopeless. I don’t think it’s a stretch to guess they instinctively know that we’ve had opportunities and reinforcement that they’ve never had and for reasons they don’t understand probably never will. And then most of us come across like we wish they’d just slink away and hide in some hole far, far away from us.

Now I ran away from him because I was 20 something girl alone on a street and I was in fear of my safety. But he interpretted my reaction as contempt. That’s where I think the anger comes from.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 15:01:57

I dunno wmbz. When I was a young lass in Boston I once had a homeless man chase me into the traffic. He was in a complete rage. What I did that so enraged him?

Earlier this summer, I was doing the Meet Me at Maynards walk/run/stroll/whatever you want to call it around Downtown Tucson.

A bunch of us encountered a homeless crazy guy at a street corner. He was freaking out about the little dog that was with one of my fellow walkers.

Apparently, he’d been attacked by a dog, and this dog somehow reminded him of that incident. He was screaming and yelling and hollering.

Now, I’ve had a bit of emergency response training. I know that the most important things to do are:

1. Stay cool.
2. Take command of the situation.

So, I asked another walker if I could borrow her cell phone, and I dialed 911. Once the dispatcher came on the line, I asked for a mental health-trained officer at the intersection of Broadway and Church in Downtown Tucson.

I explained that we were Meet Me at Maynards walkers and we were being hassled by a guy who wasn’t well. I gave the dispatcher a description.

By this time, he was on the other side of Broadway, hollering his head off at us.

We kept on walking. Fortunately, no one in my group hollered back at this guy. That would have made things much worse.

By the time we got to the next intersection, he was long gone. And since the Downtown Division gets more than a few of these calls for service, they have more than a few mental health-trained officers.

Hope this is helpful to others…

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-10 15:13:57

“The notions of doing a nine-to-five job … are beyond their imaginations.”

Having a 9 to 5 job is beyond the imagination of many people who want to have a 9 to 5 job.

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 15:17:45

Is it really different than downloading bootleg music and movies off the internet?

Is it really different than fudging income on a no-doc loan so you can get a house you really can’t afford, because real estate always goes up and the more you buy the more you make? Or encouraging someone to because you are used-house-sales-person or mortgage originatior and the bigger house you sell, or riskier loan you originate, the more money you get?

Is it really different than running a Wall Street Ponzi, living high on the investments of your customers while sending them fake statements of how much money they are making… poof.

Perhaps the poor-young-uns steal differently, but theft is not limited to the welfare class.

 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-10 13:24:53

We were talking about the “take all the money and redistribute it, it would end up back in the hands of the rich” arguement.

This got me thinking…..

Let’s say we take some $38T in business, household and corporate debt. This equates to $38T in money somewhere in the system, Tbill, miunicipals, bank account balances, money market deposits, currency, etc.

If the government took the “money” it would be taking ownership of the debts. When the government “takes” that money, what it is doing is saying, okay, instead of owing person ABC or bank XYZ or country USA, NOW you all just owe country USA.

The government owns all the money and then owns all the debt too, so if it simply pays off all the debt it owes itself then.. poof… there is not money or debt. Whoever owns stuff retains ownership in the stuff, but no one has any money or debts. We all have to go barter our stuff for other stuff. But what if the guy that sells gasoline doesn’t want any of my stuff. Yikes.

Oh, that isn’t what we meant… Okay.

Let’s say after the govt has wiped out all money and debt, it prints up, oh, $30T in Tbills, sells them to the Fed at 0%, then puts that money in just borrowed into existance into the new Bank of the People of the USA. The bank creates 300 million-ish checking accounts, one per person in the USA, it deposits $100K into each of them, and sends every American a debit card that draws money against their account. Let’s add that this is the ONLY bank allowed to exist, it pays 0% interest, and it makes NO loans. No one else is allowed to make loans either. Each business and corporation also gets an account, but with $0 starting balance. The federal government gets an accout. Each state gets an account.

The first batch of people that go buy stuff transfer some money to the accounts of the stores. The money then goes to the workers at the stores and to the bussiness that own factories when the store orders more goods to restock, then to the people that work at the factories, then to the raw materials owners when the factories order more materials to make the goods, then the people that work extracting the raw goods from the ground.

Each transaction results in taxes, but because of balnced budgets everywhere, the governments spend all the money they get. There is no buildup of money in government accounts and no addition of money to the economy.

But let’s say we maintain our current trade imbalances in the private sector. Oh, we still have that $500B a year international trade deficit that is money leaking out of the US econmy. Oh well, it will take 60 years for it all to leak out. Let’s not worry about that now.

Peoples’ wages are less than the value they add to make room for business profits. If the businesses spend or distribute as dividnds all this money, then there is no buildup in their account and no money drained from the demand side of the picture. If the people receiving all this money from corporations as dividends decide to spend it all, then no money is drained from the system.

However, since I stated we are maintaining our current imbalnces, the corporations do not spend or distribute all of the money, letting some build up on balance sheets. The money that is distributed as dividends is also not fully spent and balances build up in their accounts because having money makes them powerful.

Money begains to drain out of the system. Demand drops. Economic activity begins to fall as there is less demand becasue there is less money becasue some people are saving, not spending. People that are having balances build up refuse to invest, because as the money drains from the economy, the economy slows and there is no way to have a positive RoI on net new investment in a slowing economy.

And, soon all the money that exists ends up in the hands of the people that own the tools and resources of production since those people are paying wages below value added, and not spending all of the money they receive as income. The econmy grinds to a halt.

Along comes some future guy named Ronnie Raygun that listens to the rich when they say they need to be able to make loans. He deregulates banking and lets those rich people take that money building up in their accounts, start a new bank, and loan it back into the economy with interest. Then, all they money they deposit gets borrowed back into the economy. Instead of demand being the limiting factor, we have supply-side being the limiting factor.

Initially the amount of loans is fairly small as the buildup in the accounts of the rich is only growing slowly. However as they begin collecting more and more from interest, the household budgets get squeezed more and more by interest payments requiring they borrow more and more to maintian their spending. Prices go up faster than wages because the money they are borroing into the system is adding more money to the system. Unprofitable businesses can also borrow money into existance, and slowly become less and less profitable as their interest increases too.

Wait 100 years at 2.5% inflation as the leverage builds up to about 12-13X.

Instead of $30T in “money” there is $360T. Instead of people needing to borrow only a little more money into the econmy to pay their interest and excess spending, they are drowning in debt. The economy begins to collapse under the massive weight of the debt as people begin to fear that it can’t be paid back…

Someone comes on the internet to do a thought expiramant about what would happen if we took the $360B and redistributed it equally to everyone, without addressing the trade imbalances that caused the debt in the first place.

 
Comment by chilidoggg
2011-08-10 13:26:57

Gold trees DO grow to the sky!

To paraphrase Newman from “Seinfeld:” Platinum? VILE WEED!

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 15:57:09

“Pay what you owe and you’ll know what you own.” ~Benj. Franklin

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-10 16:00:03

I thought the broke hordes would be heading to Vegas to take a chance, guess they couldn’t afford the gas.

ITEM: Las Vegas Hilton reports loss, skips interest payments on loan

The Las Vegas Hilton reported another quarterly loss on Tuesday and disclosed it’s been skipping interest payments on a loan, putting it into default status.

The 2,950-room Paradise Road hotel-casino lost $8.864 million in the second quarter vs. a loss of $9.851 million in 2010’s second quarter.

Amid tough competition and an oversupply of hotel rooms in Las Vegas, net revenue of $45.5 million was down from $47.5 million.

Casino revenue of $14.2 million declined 9.1 percent, the Hilton reported.

The Hilton’s table games played unlucky in the quarter, with their win declining by $800,000; while slot play declined due to a slowdown in business. This resulted in a $1.2 million decline in slot winnings from gamblers.

Hotel room revenue was steady at about $19.3 million, while food and beverage revenue fell 8.6 percent to $14.4 million.

The Hilton’s owner, Colony Resorts LVH Acquisitions LLC, during the quarter said it was notified by Hilton Hotels Corp. that Hilton was not renewing the Las Vegas property’s right to use the Hilton name and room reservation system effective Jan. 3, 2012.

On Tuesday, Colony Resorts LVH said it’s been in “discussions with other major hotel brands” about a new name.

“The company may also reach a similar understanding with Hilton and sign a new license agreement,” Colony Resorts LVH said in its earnings report.

Colony Resorts LVH also reported that it chose not to make monthly interest payments totaling $3.5 million for June, July and August on its $252 million term loan “in order to conserve liquidity for operating and other needs.” The loan makes up the bulk of the company’s $296 million in debt and liabilities.

While the lender is now entitled to exercise various remedies due to the default, Colony Resorts LVH said it’s “currently in discussions with its lender to negotiate a restructuring of its debt, the outcome of which is uncertain.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-10 16:19:51

I thought the broke hordes would be heading to Vegas to take a chance, guess they couldn’t afford the gas.

Or the airfare. That’s gone up of late.

Methinks that we’re heading back to the jet set era, where frequent air travel was a luxury enjoyed by the well-to-do.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-08-10 16:19:45

I’m hoping one of you has dental knowledge or is a dentist. Our pediatric dentist says my son needs IV sedation to deal with 4 cavities. My son did not respond well to his first round of sedation, so now they want to totally knock him out. The cost of sedation alone is $700. Of course they made my wife feel like our son’s jaw will fall off if we don’t do this.

Any help is appreciated, and apologies for being OT.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-10 16:34:49

Muggy
Are you talking about a “Conscious Sedation” bad experience, the first time around, and now they want to do “General Sedation?

That’s pretty drastic ,imho. Even with Glaucoma Surgery (Husband) and my Mother’s Hip Surgery, they didn’t use a general. I don’t like the sound of that. Good that you are reaching out for feedback.

Comment by Muggy
2011-08-10 17:06:37

“Are you talking about a “Conscious Sedation” bad experience, the first time around, and now they want to do “General Sedation? ”

Yes

Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-10 18:46:12

Muggy,
My Mother had “Conscious” full force to rip open her hip area, and had hardware installed (drilling, hammering, etc…, without a “General”.

My Husband didn’t have a “General” either, and his eye surgery wasn’t a walk in the park, either.

That’s pretty dangerous stuff, and I would be very cautious of putting a kid under that kind of drug cocktail for just cavities. I remember reading some bad outcomes for kids, not to scare you. Generals are a lot safer these days, but in a hospital setting. I say, find another Dentist. A Nurse Anesthetists isn’t an MD. If it was my kid, I would want an MD supervising the NA.

Just my opinion from going through a lot of medical traumas lately.

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Comment by Big V
2011-08-10 16:35:41

The same thing happened to me when I got my wisdom teeth out. It turns out they didn’t hit the nerve the first time, which ruins the whole thing because your muscles tighten up if they start to drill/pull when the nerve isn’t numb. That means they have to stop and wait until the next day to try again.

Then it happened again when I had a rash of mysterious cavities.

The problem was solved for me when I figured out that I have to go to a dentist with very small hands.

Comment by Muggy
2011-08-10 17:15:30

“The problem was solved for me when I figured out that I have to go to a dentist with very small hands.”

Wait, are you trying to make that gynecologist joke?

Comment by Big V
2011-08-10 17:57:46

I had a feeling it was gonna get interpreted that way. I deleted the part about the dentist needing to aim properly.

Moving on.

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Comment by Muggy
2011-08-10 17:09:57

This, combined with continued low rates, is going to drive me crazy. Falling home prices = solution, not problem. Are we (HBB’ers) really the only people that see it this way?

BTW, this story keeps popping up, so “fed landlord” must be in the bag. If this goes down, I am going to rent one of these and trash it. “Let’s strip this mother!”

“WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration may turn thousands of government-owned foreclosures into rental properties to help boost falling home prices.”

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOVERNMENT_HOME_RENTALS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-08-10-13-18-31

Comment by Muggy
2011-08-10 17:29:36

Whoops, duplicate link — just saw OcBystander’s post above.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-08-10 18:54:13

Muggy
Just talked to a parent of a 5 year old. She said to be in the room with him, tell him he needs to be a little man, and daddy will hold his hand and be there. She also said that Dentist has no patience.
Knowing you and your wife, you’ve already tried this route. But if not, and they didn’t let you back there, push back on their rules.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 19:13:17

What’s wrong with this picture?

California Employment Statistics:

Data Element Current Data
For the Month of June 2011
Civilian Labor Force (seasonally adjusted) 18,043,700
Employment (seasonally adjusted) 15,910,100

California Population
July 2009
36,962,000

Employed percentage of Californians

15,910,100/36,962,000 = 43%.

Less than half of us work here; what are the rest of the folks doing with their time?

Comment by Pete
2011-08-10 20:59:47

I suppose quite a few are waiting to turn 18 or serving in the military.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 19:17:58

Romney, who played mum during the Tea Party’s efforts to use the debt ceiling to send the economy into a downward spiral, is now hammering Obama on the economy. Be careful not to become the Republican pot that calls the Democratic kettle black, Mitt.

Romney, on rare visit to Iowa, rips Obama on economy
By John Whitesides
PELLA, Iowa | Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:24pm EDT

(Reuters) - Mitt Romney, on a rare visit to Iowa on Wednesday, said Americans were “fearful, but not panicked” about the economy and predicted voters would deny President Barack Obama a second term for his economic failures.

The Republican presidential front-runner said Obama would lose in Iowa and elsewhere in the general election in November next year because his policies had impeded economic growth and dented confidence.

“He is not up to the task of leading the country at a time of economic crisis,” Romney told reporters after a round-table

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 19:21:15

“Dump and jump” has supplanted “pump and dump.”

MARKETS
AUGUST 10, 2011, 7:43 P.M. ET

Swelling Volume Is Telling
By BRENDAN CONWAY AND STEVEN RUSSOLILLO

NEW YORK—The stock market’s recent slump has arrived with the soaring trading volume that was conspicuously absent from the early-year advance.

Trading volume over the past five days has been more than twice the 2011 average. The recent trading surge signals much more investor conviction than the light volume during the early-year rally in stocks, market watchers said.

Monday’s plunge was accompanied by the fourth-biggest New York Stock Exchange composite volume in history, as investors dumped stocks and drove the number of shares that changed hands to 9.71 billion.

That landmark session was followed by the 12th-largest day ever, as the Dow Jones Industrial Average snapped back with a 429.92-point gain Tuesday. Volume of late has been the heaviest since the May 2010 “flash crash.” Wednesday’s volume was 8.24 billion shares.

“Increased volume is a reflection of the massive liquidation taking place,” said Rick Bensignor, chief market strategist at Dahlman Rose & Co. More investors now believe that the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index was overpriced at 1300, with the swoon prompting surging volume as traders look for a new equilibrium, he said.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 19:24:20

August 8 at 12:44PM by Dennis DiClaudio

Stock Market Commits Suicide After U.S. Credit Rating Downgraded

Does anybody know how Wall Street responded just at the beginning of the fall of Rome?

Wall Street stocks plummeted Monday morning on the first-ever downgrade of the United States’ credit rating, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average plunging as much as 380 points in the first hour of trading.

The move by Standard & Poor’s over the weekend to cut the U.S. rating from AAA to AA-plus shook confidence among global investors and added to worries that the world’s largest economy could sink into a double-dip recession.

Investors dumped stocks and fled into safe havens such as gold, which rose to record highs of more than $1,700 an ounce.

Oh… my… God! This is more serious than I thought!I never thought I’d actually see this day, and now that’s upon me, I almost feel like I’m hallucinating.

Glenn Beck was right!

(I’m scared…)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 19:30:06

My wife’s grandfather died of suicide related to economic hardship. It does happen.

Melanie Haiken, Contributor
8/10/2011 @ 12:37PM
Suicide and Financial Crisis: How Real Is the Risk?

Ever since the iconic stories of Wall Street financiers plunging to their deaths in the darkest days of 1929, financial crises have given rise to fears of a suicide spike. And certainly with the events of this week, pundits have wrung their hands over stress levels and the effect of so much uncertainty on the nation’s psyche. Over the years there have been so many gunshot-to-the-head stories following stock fraud outings that they seem to pile up into a mound of anecdotal evidence.

But what do statistics really tell us; does the suicide rate truly rise during times of financial crisis?

Three studies released this spring and summer seem to say yes. Last month a team of British researchers from Cambridge published startling statistics in the respected British medical journal The Lancet revealing that suicides in both the U.S. and Europe increased dramatically in the years between 2007 and 2009, when economies were crumbling, jobs disappearing, and wallets being squeezed. Overall, the suicide rate climbed 5 percent, an amount that’s concerning but doesn’t constitute a spike. However, the researchers tallied data (kept by Eurostat and the World Health Organization) for ten different countries, and found eye-opening distinctions. In Ireland and Greece, two of the hardest-hit economies in Europe, suicides increased by 13 and 17 percent, respectively, while in Finland and Austria, countries with strong social safety nets, the rates either climbed little or not at all.

The study was met with a barrage of questions and criticism, and the researchers did admit to dealing with some “gaps in data.” However, experts pointed out that the suicide numbers correlated with a report issued by the BBC showing a 43% rise in the number of prescriptions for antidepressants written by Britain’s National Health over the past four years.

It’s tempting to jump in and point out that studies like these can document only correlation, they can’t prove causation. And of course there are other factors that could contribute to a rising suicide rate. However, before we get all high and mighty, let’s look at another and much more impressive study published just two months earlier in the American Journal of Public Health, which documented an even stronger connection. In this study, the researchers tallied a massive amount of NIH and CDC data from 1928 to 2007, breaking it down by age group and coordinating it with periods of economic boom and bust.

What they found: Between 1928 and 1933, peak years of the Great Depression, the overall suicide rate in the U.S. was the highest it’s ever been, climbing from 18 to 22 suicides per 100,000 people. From 1932 to 1945, years of relative prosperity, there was a steady decline, followed by small fluctuations throughout the calm and relatively stable 1950s. The suicide rate then rose gradually through the 1960s and 1970s, but in the 1980s it began to decrease, continuing to decline steadily until 2000. (Anyone recall what happened to the economy in 2000?) From 2000 to 2007, the last year for which the researchers had data, the suicide rate was on the rise. Meanwhile, suicide rates among those between the ages of 24 and 65 — the working years — were tied much more closely to economic fluctuations than those for other age groups. It certainly makes you wish this team had had access to numbers from 2007-2009.

Comment by Pete
2011-08-10 21:10:32

“Ever since the iconic stories of Wall Street financiers plunging to their deaths in the darkest days of 1929, financial crises have given rise to fears of a suicide spike.”

An interesting intro, but nothing in the article touched on “Wall Street financiers”. It only touched on age: “between 24 and 65 — the working years”, but there’s zero about the socioeconomic status of those who killed themselves. Bummer.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 19:32:49

It happens.

South Korean stock broker jumps to death off building after heavy financial losses, police say
BY Philip Caulfield
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, August 10th 2011, 11:09 AM

A South Korean stock broker jumped to his death from an apartment building after suffering massive losses in the global financial panic, police said.

South Korean investigators said Wednesday that the 48-year-old man, identified only by his last name, Seo, sent his coworkers remorseful text messages just moments before the high-rise death dive.

Chief investigator Lee Kang-ho said the texts also included an apology to his clients.

Comment by rms
2011-08-10 21:16:12

At least the Koreans have a sense of guilt and the decency to jump.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 19:35:52

DJIA 52-week high 12,876.00
Current value 10,719.94

Cumulative loss off peak (so far):

100*(10,719.94-12,876.00)/12,876.00 = -16.7%.

Not even down 20% yet off the recent peak.

‘Tis a mere flesh wound!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 20:39:31

Scary footnote to current U.S. economic turmoil: The collapse of the Chinese housing bubble is a shoe that remains to drop.

You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

I note that the Chinese ‘affordable housing’ program has turned out to be just as dismal a failure as the U.S. ‘affordable housing’ program.

Tentative conclusion:

Government-sponsored ‘affordable housing’ programs don’t work.

ASIA BUSINESS
AUGUST 10, 2011

Cracks in China Housing Push
By DINNY MCMAHON and AARON BACK in Beijing and ESTHER FUNG in Shanghai

China launched its huge low-cost housing push to bolster the economy and stave off social unrest. But it’s being plagued by a shortage of funds and concerns over developers taking dangerous shortcuts. WSJ’s Andy Browne and Dinny McMahon discuss.

Cracks are starting to appear in China’s drive to build low-income housing as concerns rise that a rush to meet government targets is making for shoddy construction, fears made more intense after a train crash last month highlighted the speed with which China carries out many of its infrastructure projects.

The massive state-led investment was supposed to head off social unrest as urban home prices spiraled out of reach of ordinary workers. And many economists forecast that the spending on cheap housing would cushion the impact on the Chinese economy as the government tried to deflate a bubble at the luxury end of the market.

But far from being a magic bullet, the low-income housing push is creating its own problems at a time when a stubbornly high inflation rate is constraining China’s ability to spend its way out of another global downturn.

Premier Wen Jiabao rolled out grand plans in March for 36 million units of public housing as part of China’s current five-year plan from 2011 to 2015. But a report by the state-run Xinhua news agency in May raised alarm bells about the plans’ progress, saying construction had begun on only 30% of this year’s target of 10 million units.

Since then, the push appears to have sped up. In July, Premier Wen said construction on more than half of the 10 million targeted units had begun.

In recent weeks, several reports of shoddy workmanship on low-income housing have appeared in state media, raising concerns about safety and suggesting that the flagship project may have to proceed more slowly than expected.

“If low-income housing construction is blindly devoted to speed, then like the frequent accidents we’ve seen recently, problems will keep occurring…and potentially even end in tragedy,” said an article in the People’s Daily, the official mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, on July 27.

The article appeared just days after the July 23 high-speed train accident that killed 40 people and injured almost 200 near Wenzhou in eastern China. The accident gave rise to a wave of popular anger and accusations that the new rail network had been developed too quickly and without enough focus on quality and safety.

The People’s Daily article didn’t specifically mention the train crash. China has also been plagued by a spate of fatalities on major construction projects this year.

A recent statement on the website of the Ministry of Housing and Urban-Rural Development called on officials to “draw hard lessons from the July 23 Wenzhou rail accident, and ensure the safe construction and quality management of low-income housing and public works.”

The concerns surrounding the low-income housing push adds to worries over the outlook for the Chinese economy, and by extension the global economy, which is heavily dependent on China for growth. On Tuesday, China reported unexpectedly high consumer inflation of 6.5% in July, its highest level in over three years, and faster than the 6.4% year-on-year level in June.

In 2008, Beijing helped support a faltering global economy by unleashing a wave of bank lending that fueled China’s construction industry—and commodity exporters everywhere. Now, with global markets buckling under concerns of a double-dip recession in the U.S. and sovereign-debt woes in Europe, China’s high inflation means it can’t perform a similar trick without watching prices shoot up further.

Finding the cash to fund low-income housing developments is also proving problematic, with local governments cash-strapped from their recent infrastructure building binge, and banks, already constrained in their lending, preferring to give loans to higher-margin projects.

On Tuesday, Tan Huajie, the board secretary of China Vanke Co., the country’s largest property developer by market share, said that the tighter liquidity in the sector was discouraging investment. Vanke saw first-half profit rise 5.9%, a better performance that many of its peers. Analysts say Vanke’s relative success compared with its peers is partly due to its focus on selling small and midsize homes in China’s less-developed cities, a market segment only recently affected by government restrictions on lending.

Developers are chafing at thin margins for low-income housing. Vanke President Yu Liang said that his company has started construction on more than three million square meters of public housing, but that the profit margin on those developments is only 2%. Analysts say the profit margin for developers on a typical residential development is about 30%.

Mr. Yu said Vanke would continue to contribute to the public good as long as it didn’t hurt shareholders’ interests.

Comment by measton
2011-08-10 21:10:00

China could indeed perform the trick again. Just let their currency rise, poof goes food inflation. Sure unemployment would rise, but given that the majority of Chinese spend a huge percentage of their paycheck on food inflation is going to piss off a higher percentage of the population than deflation and unemployment. They could even use some of that huge cash and investment portfolio to help out. This would of course be very bad for US treasuries and stocks, but it would be great for the American worker who has lost his job and run out of unemployment.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-10 21:10:39

See what happens when you replicate templates “ideas”.
;-)

Up next in China: Ling-the-Lunch-Lady-Lives-Lavishly!

 
Comment by Pete
2011-08-10 21:23:09

“Mr. Yu said Vanke would continue to contribute to the public good as long as it didn’t hurt shareholders’ interests.”

I wish the public luck with that.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 20:40:31

Is the entire developed world economy presently collapsing, or does it merely appear to be collapsing?

Comment by Pete
2011-08-10 21:26:07

If you’ve cut off your cable TV and made this site your main source for info and analysis, it is collapsing. If not, then it only appears to be.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 22:24:35

“If you’ve cut off your cable TV and made this site your main source for info and analysis, it is collapsing.”

Oh really? Name your sources.

Apparently the following headlines didn’t originate at “this site”:

The Financial Times of London
Markets in turmoil
Global Market Overview from MARKETS 4:13am 10 August 2011
Asia retreats as eurozone woes return
An investor watches market indices monitors at the Australian Stock Exchange Getty
Equities slide after French bank sell-off

Short View Investors able to think the unthinkable
Lex dividend yields
Wall Street Banks lead US stocks lower
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Der Spiegel
08/08/2011

Debt Crises and Market Turmoil
Is The World Going Bankrupt?

By SPIEGEL Staff
A trader at the New York Stock Exchange last week.

Europe and the US are hopelessly over-indebted. The crisis that started in the US real estate sector in 2007 has devastated state finances on both sides of the Atlantic and is threatening to wreck the euro and trigger a second global downturn. The world lacks the political leadership needed to end the turmoil.
Info

The fear is back, in the stock exchanges and in the capitals of the industrial nations. There are growing signs everywhere of a new financial crisis, and the political leaders of the West are looking helpless and out of their depth.

The United States is struggling with an enormous budget deficit. And the euro zone’s central bankers and government leaders can’t find a strategy to end the permanent malaise of their single currency. The White House has achieved little more than to buy some time with a new debt compromise reached after theatrical political squabbling between Democrats and Republicans. Last Friday night, rating agency Standard & Poor’s lowered its rating for the US from AAA to AA+.

Muddling through, postponing, playing down — the motto of the crisis managers on both sides of the Atlantic has sent alarm bells ringing in stock markets. Britain’s Economist magazine is warning of a double-dip recession in the US, a second downturn just three years after the last one. Many economists have been pointing out that last week’s panic resembled the fear that swept financial markets after the collapse of US investment bank Lehman Brothers in September 2008.

Then as now, banks stopped lending each money. Then as now, banks’ cash deposits at the central bank doubled within days. The European Central Bank reacted by assuring banks of unlimited liquidity in the coming months. It was an emergency measure that led to short-term relief but sparked anxious questions among bankers and stock market players. How long can the central bank keep up its market-soothing liquidity operations before it finally loses its credibility, the most important asset of a central bank? Is the financial crisis about to escalate? And will the world then be bankrupt?

It was less than three years ago that the global economy inched towards the abyss after the US real estate bubble burst. In order to save their over-indebted banks and insurance companies, Western governments borrowed huge sums of money themselves. They nationalized banks and implemented vast stimulus programs, while central banks flooded the economy with cheap money.

As former German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrück put it, “fire was fought with fire.”

That helped to prevent a global economic crisis of the kind that brought the world to a standstill in the 1930s. But it also set ablaze the headquarters of the world’s economic fire-fighters. Who will save the saviors? That question was already being asked back in 2008, and it has gained urgency now that government debt mountains are higher than ever.
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Aug 11, 2011
The Asia Times

The evolution of crisis
By George Friedman

Classical political economists like Adam Smith or David Ricardo never used the term ”economy” by itself. They always used the term ”political economy.” For classical economists, it was impossible to understand politics without economics or economics without politics. The two fields are certainly different but they are also intimately linked.

The use of the term ”economy” by itself did not begin until the late 19th century. Smith understood that while an efficient market would emerge from individual choices, those choices were framed by the political system in which they were made, just as the political system was shaped by economic realities. For classical economists, the political and economic systems were intertwined, each dependent on the other for its existence.

The current economic crisis is best understood as a crisis of political economy. Moreover, it has to be understood as a global crisis enveloping the United States, Europe and China that has different details but one overriding theme: the relationship between the political order and economic life. On a global scale, or at least for most of the world’s major economies, there is a crisis of political economy. Let’s consider how it evolved.
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Al Jazeera
Opinion
Panic on the streets of London
Speculations circle as to why the London riots have become so big, but the answer is quite obvious.
Laurie Penny Last Modified: 09 Aug 2011 16:26

The politics of a burning building may be obscured even to those who lit the rags - but the politics are there [EPA]

I’m huddled in the front room with some shell-shocked friends, watching my city burn. The BBC is interchanging footage of blazing cars and running street battles in Hackney, of police horses lining up in Lewisham, of roiling infernos that were once shops and houses in Croydon and in Peckham. Last night, Enfield, Walthamstow, Brixton and Wood Green were looted; there have been hundreds of arrests and dozens of serious injuries, and it will be a miracle if nobody dies tonight.

This is the third consecutive night of rioting in London, and the disorder has now spread to Leeds, Liverpool, Bristol and Birmingham. Politicians and police officers who only hours ago were making stony-faced statements about criminality are now simply begging the young people of Britain’s inner cities to go home.

Britain is a tinderbox, and on Friday, somebody lit a match. How the hell did this happen? And what are we going to do now?

Comment by Pete
2011-08-10 22:58:55

“Oh really? Name your sources.
Apparently the following headlines didn’t originate at “this site”:”

Sarcasm, sorry. My meaning was that this is the place to come for depressing news and analysis. I meant to put a smiley, but that takes time :-)

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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-08-11 00:03:56

‘depressing news and analysis’

Yes, once again, more affordable housing prices are so depressing.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-10 21:45:21

I think it is… pretty much collapsing.

It seems the debt bubble and the housing bubble it created, are pretty much global. Just as equity locusts from CA swarmed in and bought up houses in the exurbs of Phoenix or dropped down deposits on condos in Tempe, it seems the equity flowing from the USA’s massive trade deficets and flowed out around the word, into banking system, providing capital which the local banking systems multiplied into a massive web of unrepayable debt.

Never forget, the key to supply-side econmics is debt.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 20:46:28

U.S. share prices are hardly alone in this market meltdown — it’s global, folks!

A former poster here named Hoz used to regularly explain to us that the challenge of a bear market is to avoid getting wiped out. At this stage of the game, I totally understand what he meant.

The Irish Times - Thursday, August 11, 2011
Stocks hit two-year low on debt contagion fears

Eurostoxx 50: 2,153.77 (–140.47) Frankfurt DAX: 5,613.42 (–303.66) Paris CAC: 3,002.99 (–173.20) EUROPEAN STOCKS fell to a two-year low yesterday, amid specul-ation the region’s debt crisis is spreading and as the Federal Reserve’s plan to hold interest rates failed to ease concern that the economic recovery is stalling.

EON plummeted the most on record, dragging Germany’s DAX down the most since 2008, as the nation’s largest utility said it will reduce its workforce by more than 10 per cent and cut dividends. EON tumbled 11 per cent to €13.82.

The benchmark Stoxx Europe 600 slid 3.8 per cent in London, erasing an earlier advance of 2.2 per cent.

“I am not convinced that what the Fed said will help the market hugely in the medium-to-long term,” said Markus Huber, head of German sales trading at ETX Capital in London.

“More details would be needed on what exactly the Fed is planning to do in case growth continues to slow even more severely,” he said.

Banks retreated 6.7 per cent, the most since March 2009. Société Générale lost 15 per cent to €22.18, the biggest drop since October 2008.

BNP Paribas, France’s largest lender, sank 9.5 per cent to €35.61 and Credit Agricole plummeted 12 per cent to €6.07, a record low.

“Société Générale issued a warning recently, which makes it very vulnerable to market rumours and that’s why the stock is getting hit today,” Mr Huber said.

Comment by rms
2011-08-11 00:18:28

Forget about share prices, follow the money (forex) $4-trillion in daily turn-over.

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-08-11 04:11:34

“… the challenge of a bear market is to avoid getting wiped out.”

There’s no great challenge, just go to cash.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 21:09:18

Aug. 11, 2011, 12:01 a.m. EDT
Foreclosure activity drops to 44-month low
RealtyTrac: It’s processing delays, not market improvement
By Amy Hoak, MarketWatch

CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — Foreclosure filings fell to a 44-month low in July, according to RealtyTrac, but the company’s chief executive said processing delays continue to be the driving force behind the drop in foreclosure activity.

“July foreclosure activity dropped 35% from a year ago, marking the 10th straight month of year-over-year decreases in foreclosure activity and the lowest monthly total since November 2007,” James J. Saccacio, chief executive officer of RealtyTrac, said in a news release on Thursday. “This string of decreases was initially triggered by the robo-signing controversy back in October 2010, which forced lenders to substantially slow the pace of foreclosing, but the downward trend in foreclosure activity has now taken on a life of its own.”

Saccacio said that the processing delays, along with governmental foreclosure prevention efforts, may be allowing some homeowners to stave off foreclosure.

“Unfortunately, the fall-off in foreclosures is not based on a robust recovery in the housing market but on short-term interventions and delays that will extend the current housing market woes into 2012 and beyond,” Saccacio said. “A stabilizing economy and improving job market are the long-term keys to a housing market recovery.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 22:14:20

The Treasury yield curve is showing a strong tendency to invert.

10-year yields headed toward 1.75%: RBS
August 10, 2011, 6:15 PM

The Federal Reserve’s pledge to keep rates near 0% through at least mid-2013 is generating quite a bit of reassessment in the bond market. Now the forecasts for Treasury yields, already flirting with Dec. 2008 lows under 2.04%, are starting to come out. RBS Securities writes Wednesday that yields on 10-year notes 10_year are headed toward 1.75%, at least. They traded at 2.14% on Wednesday. — Laura Mandaro

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-10 22:52:57

Double-dip recession: Could it be a ’sell-fulfilling’ prophecy?
By Mark Trumbull, Staff writer / August 10, 2011

A nosedive in stock prices doesn’t mean a double-dip recession is inevitable. But investor sell-off could hurt an already weak economy by dampening consumer and business spirits.

Passersby are reflected at an index board inside the Athens stock exchange, August 9. The global economy stumbled deeper into crisis as stock markets slumped further on Wednesday, with investors losing confidence that the United States and Europe can rein in their debt burdens quickly and avert a double-dip recession.
Yiorgos Karahalis / Reuters

Financial markets took another rough ride Wednesday, amplifying concerns that the US economy could be embarking on a “double dip” back into recession.

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Policy signals from the Federal Reserve had helped to ease investor fears a day earlier. But by late Wednesday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was down over 350 points for the day, moving below the 11,000 level.

Although several factors have set investors on edge, the most basic is concern about whether the economy will grow or veer into another recession. The answer will have big implications for American jobs and incomes, as well as corporate share prices.

RECOMMENDED: Soft patch? Three reasons economic growth is slowing.

So is a double dip arriving?

It’s very hard to tell, especially considering the tepid pace of recent economic growth. Forecasters have a far-from-perfect track record in seeing turning points, and distinguishing a temporary slowdown from a slide into recession.

What’s clear, though, is that forecasters see a higher risk of recession than they did just a couple of months ago. Many say the risk is substantial – a 25 to 50 percent chance.

And if stock prices fall further, that itself could increase the likelihood of a double dip. Weak stock prices make it harder for companies to finance new ventures, and sagging account balances can dampen consumer confidence. In that sense, what might be called a “sell-fulfilling” prophecy is possible, in which investors, selling in fear of an economic slowdown, help make one happen.

Growth in gross domestic product has cooled markedly so far this year. America was posting GDP growth near a 4 percent annual rate at the start of 2010. That dwindled to barely 2 percent by year end, and just 0.4 percent and 1.3 percent in the first two quarters of 2011.

“Every time real GDP growth has decelerated to less than 2 percent on a year-to-year basis the economy has either already been in recession or fallen into one within a year,” economist Mark Vitner of Wells Fargo wrote in a recent analysis, citing 11 instances since 1950. “The record is not very comforting.”

 
 
Comment by John D
2011-08-15 14:56:29

Fannie Mae corruption is about several specific people making very real money (millions of dollars) at the taxpayers expense. For a while now, I have followed the career of Fannie Mae Associate Vice President Lea France who has become notoriously famous for her strange and abusive management style. Looking at the sales records I see a very specific investor who follows her career very closely as well. Following her from one state to another, the investor buys only Fannie Mae owned properties paying cents on the dollar in each area of the country that she manages at the time and subsequently flipping them a few months later making a very quick no-risk 40-60% profit on each sale. I am documenting my findings in the following blog:

http://lea-france-fannie-mae-complaint.blogspot.com

This activity has been going on for years and nobody at Fannie Mae wants to do anything about it. I would welcome your opinion on the matter.

 
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