August 15, 2011

The Economics Of The Housing Market Seem Amiss

The Grand Junction Sentinel reports from Colorado. “Foreclosure filings and sales are declining in Mesa County, according to data released by the Colorado Division of Housing. Some lenders are taking more time to foreclose on a home after last fall’s robo-signing controversy. That slower pace means plenty of foreclosures still are in the works, and it could be years before foreclosure sales numbers drop significantly, according to Ryan McMaken, spokesman for the Colorado Division of Housing.”

“At the same time fewer foreclosures are coming onto the market, Bray Real Estate broker David Durham said he has been able to move more foreclosed homes out of his inventory of listings. He believes foreclosed homes are selling faster than others because banks will sell for less just to get rid of a home they don’t want. ‘Even three-and-a-half years into this downturn, owner-occupants have not come to grips that their house is worth a lower price. The lender doesn’t have that restriction,’ Durham said.”

The Park Record in Utah. “Most golf communities in Summit and Wasatch counties reported about eight sales for the second quarter of 2011 that ended June 30. Promontory, the leader of the pack in sales volume, is seeing distressed properties bought up in large quantities. Since opening in October 2007, Red Ledges has only had two sales from foreclosures out of almost 160 units sold, said chief operating officer Mitchell Burns.”

“July was a good month for closings for several reasons, Burns said. One is weather, another is developing amenities. Another reason, and probably the biggest, Burns said, is that their marketing is working. ‘We’re being discovered,’ he said. ‘As soon as you start selling homes and home sites, people hear about it and want to be a part of it.’”

“Although there are no deeply discounted distressed properties, Burns said the development did introduce a new home plan for $500,000. That makes owning a home in Red Ledges affordable to a lot more people, he said.”

The Deseret News in Utah. “For three years in a row, the average homeowner saw property values drop in Salt Lake County. At the same time, many are paying higher taxes. Utah law says cities, counties and school districts get a set amount of revenue from property tax each year no matter what happens to property values. ‘When (property) values decrease, the tax rate is allowed to rise so the same amount of money is generated,’ explained Kevin Jacobs, chief deputy at the Salt Lake County Assessor’s Office.”

“Brent Nielsen’s house is more than 20 years old, but new, expensive homes are going up not too far away. His property taxes have skyrocketed well beyond what he thinks is reasonable. A letter from the county assessor’s office last year said his property value rose by more than 60 percent and his taxes went up 88 percent. Nielsen said the new homes are in secluded areas by a golf course while his house is along a busy street, and their values should not be similar.”

“He appealed to the county and the property value was lowered. But Nielsen says it wasn’t lowered nearly enough, so he appealed to the state. That process was finalized six weeks ago when the judge ordered the value to be set at what Nielsen had been asking for all along. He just received this year’s assessment, and since it was set last January before the appeal to the state was finalized, he’ll have to appeal again to have it lowered to the amount the judge agreed on.”

“‘If we don’t push back as citizens I think we are doing an injustice to us all,’ said Nielsen.”

From Channel 2 News in Nevada. “It’s a scene repeated again and again, day after day across Las Vegas. Sgt. Patrick Geary: ‘Hello?’ Man: ‘Hello.’ The two deputies with the Las Vegas Constable’s Office then enforce a judge’s order on the foreclosed home. ‘We’re serving an eviction notice on you,’ says Sgt. Geary. ‘You have to get a change of clothes, stuff like that, and take off in about 15 minutes.’”

“The young couple and their son have only the time it takes a locksmith to change the locks — to grab what they can. They lost the house after falling behind on their payments and they’ll have to make arrangements with the bank to come back for the rest of their belongings. The case load is staggering. The vast majority — like this day — are apartment tenants behind in their rent. Deputy Scott McWilliams: ‘Today? We’ll probably end up doing 25 to 30. It’s been a steady flow. It’s almost like trying to hold back the tide with a teaspoon. I don’t see an end in sight.’”

“Sgt. Geary says the city is on track to carry out 40,000 evictions. This year, that’s 6,000 more than last.”

The East Valley Tribune in Arizona. “While recent news from the financial markets has not been good, there is an upside to the housing market in the Valley: There really is nowhere to go but up. ‘We are still at the bottom, though whether we have reached the bottom is argumentative,’ said Jay Butler, professor emeritus at the W.P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University.”

“Despite people coming back into the market, the economics of the housing market seem amiss. ‘It is very strange. Our inventory, the supply of homes, continues to decline every month,’ said Mike Menefee of Keller-Williams Realty. ‘In a normal economy, if supply goes down you’d think prices would be going through the roof because there is just a substantial demand for homes. Pricing doesn’t seem to be moving like you’d expect.’”

“The stock market is up. The stock market is down. The U.S. credit rating gets downgraded. The national jobs market improves a bit. Despite forecasts of growth in the economy just a few months ago, the headlines show it’s anything but predictable right now. ‘The cost of borrowing for those people who can acquire a mortgage will be at historical lows for the foreseeable future. That I would submit is partially a good news story,’ said Dennis Hoffman, an economics professor at ASU’s W.P. Carey School of Business.”

“What has become a little more cumbersome is the amount of paperwork required to get that loan, said P.J. Saturno, regional manager for Taylor Morrison Home Funding. ‘For the people who don’t have previous homes, who don’t have bankruptcies, it’s just a matter of providing more documentation than we have in recent years. We’ve gone back to the old days of 10 to 15 years ago where you have to document everything,’ he said. ‘You have to be prepared to give us every piece of paper.’”

“That’s starting to become apparent, said Pierrette Tierney, VP of marketing and sales for Taylor Morrison, which has two fairly new developments in the East Valley. ‘I think all our buyers believe it is an unprecedented time to buy with the affordability of Phoenix, the purchase prices of new homes and the nearly free money when you’re talking about 4 percent interest rates on long-term financing,’ she said.”

The Nightly Business Report. “Kirsten Myers, Realtor, ‘ I`m going to be showing you a four-bedroom, three-bath in the main house with a one-bedroom, one- bath casita. At the peak of the market this would go between 450 and 500. We had it listed for 235 before we got a contract on the short sale.’”

“David Majure, NBR Correspondent: ‘Kirsten Myers, a realtor in the North Phoenix community of Anthem, is seeing multiple offers on homes in the area.’ Myers: ‘Yes, I’ve had them recently with four, five, and six offers. And it can be a challenge because most of these offers are coming in above list price.’”

“Majure: ‘Myers is helping Lori Blaine buy this house in Anthem.’ Lori Blaine, ‘We`re trying to upgrade a little. We filled up our house really quickly.’”

“Majure: Her ‘family`s current home is underwater. So instead of selling and losing money, she hopes to rent it and move into a bigger place.’ Blaine: ‘It makes me really nervous to do this but you know, you know, you really — or I really want to make sure I’m getting what I`m paying for and that the market is not going to drop any lower because it’s kind of a scary time financially as far as the real estate.’”

From City Caucus. “Earlier this week, we experienced the second major meltdown of world stock markets since 2008. It’s estimated that trillions of dollars worth of assets evaporated overnight. Yet, for many of us living in Vancouver, all this talk of economic malaise still seems rather foreign to us. That’s because the real-estate market has transformed thousands of local homeowners into instant millionaires – at least on paper.”

‘Despite all of this wealth generation, is it only a matter of time before what’s impacting other economies comes crashing down on our doorsteps? If you want to see what our future might look like one day, I’d suggest you take a glance at Phoenix, Arizona. Housing prices were climbing year after year and there seemed to be no limit to its growth. Three years later, it has yet to recover.”

“But, if you’re a Canadian looking to purchase property down there, consider yourself in the driver’s seat. Last month, our family was able to purchase a nice two-bedroom condominium in a gated lakeside community for just over $60K. A few years ago that unit was selling for over $170K. Now, if that same condo were for sale in Vancouver, it would easily fetch at least $500K.”

“Although most economists argue Vancouver isn’t on the verge of a housing bubble, just imagine what would happen if housing prices suddenly dropped by 15-20 per cent. A lot of Vancouverites would owe more on their home than it’s worth. Does this sound familiar? Unless you’ve traveled outside of Vancouver lately, it’s hard to fully appreciate how hard some economies have been hit by the recession.”

“And if you don’t think it could ever happen here, you’d best think again.’




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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-08-15 07:19:03

‘our family was able to purchase a nice two-bedroom condominium in a gated lakeside community for just over $60K’

Lakeside? Highway run-off retention pond more likely. Anyway, this guy may have been took, cuz I see some condos down there going for $15k, and who knows what’s up behind that.

‘if that same condo were for sale in Vancouver, it would easily fetch at least $500K…just imagine what would happen if housing prices suddenly dropped by 15-20 per cent’

Speaks for itself…

‘Her ‘family`s current home is underwater. So instead of selling and losing money, she hopes to rent it and move into a bigger place. Blaine: ‘It makes me really nervous to do this but you know, you know, you really — or I really want to make sure I’m getting what I`m paying for and that the market is not going to drop any lower’

Let’s ask Jay Butler: ‘We are still at the bottom, though whether we have reached the bottom is argumentative,’ said Jay Butler’

Feel better Lori?

Comment by 2banana
2011-08-15 07:31:39

Lakeside? Highway run-off retention pond more likely. Anyway, this guy may have been took, cuz I see some condos down there going for $15k, and who knows what’s up behind that.

There are many condos (and SFH) that a literally worth ZERO in many markets.

When you factor in taxes, HOA, special assessments, maintenance, etc. It would only make sense to live there if someone GAVE THE CONDO TO YOU FREE.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-15 07:24:18

At the same time, many are paying higher taxes. Utah law says cities, counties and school districts get a set amount of revenue from property tax each year no matter what happens to property values.

What do you want - public workers and public unions to live within the reality of a budget? That is your problem fella.

Comment by The_Overdog
2011-08-15 07:38:38

I wonder what a “set amount” means?

Everytime I wonder why people get pissy about paying taxes, I see a privision like this and say “Ahhh, I get it now”.

 
Comment by Eggman
2011-08-15 11:15:27

This is why we in California passed proposition 13. Property taxes were completely divorced from any voter input, and the people who received them treated them like a blank check, or a no-limit credit card. They cry now because we slapped them down, and you can argue perhaps it went too far, but something had to be done.

Comment by Steve J
2011-08-15 13:46:45

How were property taxes divorced from voters? Did votersnott have to pay property taxes? Did rent not go up when property taxes increased?

Wouldn’t an equilibrium have eventually been reached?

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-15 13:40:54

banana, I can tell you don’t know much about Utah. Teacher salaries there are low, low, low (like they are here in the Centennial state). Utah isn’t Illinois, New York or California.

I’m guessing that the schools get a fixed budget because they are already bare bones, shoe string budgets (as they are out here). Starting salaries in the low 30K range, etc.

You really need to understand that in most of flyover country teachers earn a pittance. A few years ago I considered relaunching myself as a High School Math teacher. That is until I saw how low the pay was. I wasn’t expecting to earn anything close to what I earn in my current profession, but it would have been 1/3. I would have made more money as a milkman (yeah, we still have those out here).

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-15 13:45:27

Property tax in Utah is about 1% of assessed value.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-15 07:26:59

“Majure: Her ‘family`s current home is underwater. So instead of selling and losing money, she hopes to rent it and move into a bigger place.’

Insanity. How will this work out? I think we all know…

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-15 08:39:11

Insanity on her part. I’m stunned. Read the article folks. You’ll be stunned too.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-15 10:04:35

I sense a strategic default coming.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-15 07:29:00

“Although most economists argue Vancouver isn’t on the verge of a housing bubble, just imagine what would happen if housing prices suddenly dropped by 15-20 per cent. A lot of Vancouverites would owe more on their home than it’s worth. Does this sound familiar?

But things are different here…
Everyone wants to live here…
It is a new shift in the housing market…
They are not making any new land here…

Comment by Al
2011-08-15 08:03:21

“They are not making any new land here…”

Vancouver does have more stringent land restrictions than many cities, so that statement is probably relatively true.

Should help put a floor under the 50% drop in prices coming their way; I predict 48% losses max. The 15-20% is what will suddenly happen, followed by years and years of further declines.

Comment by GH
2011-08-15 21:28:10

Canada is riding an Oil wave right now. Britain had a similar situation in the last couple of decades which has since run dry. My understanding is Australia is riding high on mineral exports as are some African nations (commodities are precious)

Here in the US Fracking has taken off in a big way, but I suspect the long term damage to our water table will be irreparable.

Regardless there are reasons it is different in Canada :-)

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-15 19:48:09

What’s truly remarkable, at least to me, is how long prices in Vancouver can remain so high and detached from fundamentals.

 
Comment by ncinerate
2011-08-15 23:37:35

Oh my god - Vancouver aside, has anyone else seen the new TV show out of Australia called “The Renovators”? This is a current show, being shot and aired -now- in Australia, and I’m dying laughing watching it.

The basic premise is they’ve gotten a bunch of people together, many with renovation/home flipping experience, to compete in a bunch of challenges and ultimately renovate one of six houses. Each of the houses is given a budget for renovation, 20% of it’s initial purchase price, and the people will “win” based on the home that sells at the highest profit at auction.

But guys, it gets absolutely freaking HILARIOUS when you see the homes they get to choose from. I’m not sure I can even paint you a picture of how insane it is, so I’ll give you some links to look at pictures of these homes.

First, a guy wins a challenge and gets to pick a home - he pics the “Inner City Terrace”, as seen here:

http://therenovatorstv.com.au/the-inner-city-terrace.htm

That’s right - it’s a rundown 2 story townhouse looking thing with a freaking OUTHOUSE. Literally, no bathroom in the house, the toilet is in the garden under a wavy metal roof. It’s eaten by termites and I’ve seen abandoned shacks that were in better shape.

And they paid 749,390$ (AUS) (roughly 784,500$ US) for it.

The guy is excited at the prospect of taking this home, fixing it up, and making a huge profit. It’s a freaking 3 bedroom townhouse with no bathroom selling for three quarters of a million dollars.

And that’s just -one- of the six houses. Look at the others and laugh with me:

The Weatherboard, a 1930’s 1 bedroom shack that they purchased for - wait for it - half a million dollars!?!?!?!

http://therenovatorstv.com.au/the-weatherboard.htm

Or how about this gem? The “Fibro Cottage”, a POS from the 1950’s with the curb appeal of a skull (no, seriously, it looks like a skull). Purchased for the low low price of only 309,000$!

http://therenovatorstv.com.au/the-fibro-cottage.htm

Maybe you’d rather move “upscale” with the “60’s Suburban”, an absolute travesty of a home that hasn’t seen an update -since- the 60’s. One of the contestants casually remarked “ooh, that’s nice, thats a great middle class neighborhood, lots of christian schools”. Only 631,000$! Certainly any middle class christian family in AUS would absolutely die to live in such a place (or die trying to make the first mortgage payment at the very least).

http://therenovatorstv.com.au/the-sixties-suburban.htm

How about you move into urban style with your own fancy abandoned commercial building ready to be converted into a pseudo-home? “The Shop”, a blank vacant building complete with it’s own handicap parking space comes in at a mere 594,730$. No kitchen, no real rooms to speak of, it’s a blank slate!

http://therenovatorstv.com.au/the-shop.htm

But no, I can tell you’re the enterprising sort, you’d rather take a crack at the “Half-Done House”. Coming in at a whopping 668,403$, this “thing” is presumably meant for human habitation.

http://therenovatorstv.com.au/the-half-done-house.htm

This is housing bubble gold people, housing bubble GOLD.

Comment by snake charmer
2011-08-16 07:04:57

The “inner city terrace” is remarkable. The listing says “external bathroom.” No kidding. How’d you like to wake up in the middle of the night to go out there?

Of course television shows like this indicate a bubble top. This is truly sad, and I like Australians a lot, but the outcome will be deserved, just like it was here.

 
 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2011-08-15 07:30:39

Blaine: ‘It makes me really nervous to do this but you know, you know, you really — or I really want to make sure I’m getting what I`m paying for and that the market is not going to drop any lower because it’s kind of a scary time financially as far as the real estate.’

___________________________/

It sounds like she barely knows what she’s doing. And she’s quite likely to be underwater on two houses now instead of one. Everyone involved in selling this person another house should be ashamed. She’s not blameless either.

Comment by AmazingRuss
2011-08-15 09:06:51

Interesting how these financial avalanches always have a moron at their core. I used to feel sorry for morons, until I saw how much damage they cause. Morons are dangerous.

 
 
Comment by lint
2011-08-15 07:30:54

“Lowball, for lack of a better word, is good. Lowballing is right. Lowballing works. Lowballing clarifies, cuts through, and captures, the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Lowballing, in all of its forms; lowballing for life, for money, for love, knowledge, has marked the upward surge of mankind and lowballing, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the U.S.A.”

 
Comment by Patrick
2011-08-15 08:27:50

Vancouver’s restricted footprint is really hogwash. They have more farmland immediately beside them than most major NA cities - Maple for example.

Outside of Vancouver downtown housing prices are much more reasonable. Just ask the taxi drivers who live outside of downtown.

Their prices will crash and it will not be long in coming. Too bad because it is such a beautiful city.

Comment by b-hamster
2011-08-15 09:04:59

Well from what I see, the City of Vancouver is quite restricted from a building standpoint. You have immediate areas adjacent to Vanc (eg, Surrey, Abbotsfiord, Port Coquitlam, Port Moody) that have much more land for development, and it is being developed. I was amazed at the building of high-rise condos, normally seen in downtown Vancouver, sprouting up in my last visist to Coquilam. I listen to the CBC and Surrey is porjected to become a larger city than Vanc in the next five years. Unfortunatley, it’s mostly sprawl and strip malls.

Comment by snake charmer
2011-08-15 11:55:57

The thing is, Tokyo deflated. San Francisco has deflated. In a bubble, even desireable cities with restricted geographic footprints develop prices out of step with fundamentals. Vancouver is indeed a beautiful city, and I can say that from visiting, but what’s going to happen to Vancouver real estate when China stumbles?

Last year there was a funny Internet quiz on Vancouver housing entitled “crack shack or mansion.” The website showed a sequence of houses, and participants clicked one of the two options for each. (Believe me, it was hard telling the difference.) Incredibly, that site failed to serve as a warning to the “most economists” who claim that Vancouver isn’t in a bubble. How much more of a warning could you have? And not only is the warning being ignored, but residents are doubling down by buying in Phoenix.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-16 04:14:19

Vancouver restricted? OK, what is the average family income in Vancouver? There is the restriction.

 
 
Comment by polly
2011-08-15 16:08:00

Going from Granville Island to Bard on the Beach I walked past a bunch of what looked like miniscule town houses. Maybe two bedrooms. They had tiny one car garages.

One had a Jaguar parked in front.

Right on the public walkway/bike path. General public could peak in your windows with very little effort.

I wonder what they sell for?

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-15 10:34:31

More on the education bubble popping:

(plus it is too funny).

Law School Grads Sue Over Not Getting Jobs

New York Law School students sue their alma mater over not getting jobs.

www dot nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Law_Students_Sue_New_York-127640498.html

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-15 11:06:05

If you like the sound of education bubbles popping, have I got a blog for you:

EduBubble

Happy higher ed bubble-popping, everyone!

And, if anyone can suggest a link to a health care bubble-busting blog, I’m all ears. Or, in this case, eyes.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-15 11:55:32

“Law School Grads Sue Over Not Getting Jobs”

You have to admire their innovative use of their new expertise.

Comment by Steve J
2011-08-15 13:48:50

If they lose they should sue for getting a lousey education.

 
 
 
Comment by Eggman
2011-08-15 11:22:46

“the nearly free money when you’re talking about 4 percent interest rates on long-term financing,’ ”

Oh god what a tool. at 4% on a 30 year loan you pay back an additional 70c for ever $1.00 you borrow. Borrow $100,000 and take 30 years to repay, you’re paying back $170,000. Worse if you don’t keep the loan the full term. That’s hardly “free money”.

IMO, anybody who pays back a mortgage on the BANK’S schedule is as much of a sucker as someone who pays back a Credit Card bill on the bank’s schedule. Both are calculated to screw you.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-15 11:58:03

Low interest rates coupled with high housing costs is a scam which is promoted by economists who seem to have skipped class on days when basic arithmetic was covered.

Comment by Bronco
2011-08-15 13:04:11

Low interest rates coupled with high housing costs is a scam which is promoted by economists who seem to have skipped class on days when basic arithmetic was covered. are paid by the real estate industry.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-15 14:54:13

Correction accepted.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-16 04:15:36

Utah’s eviction in 15 minutes routine really illustrates who “owns” a mortgaged house.

 
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