August 17, 2011

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Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 02:18:02

L.A. Mayor Targets Cali. Tax Law in ‘Grand Bargain’
(Bloomberg)

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa proposed dismantling California’s Proposition 13, which helped begin a nationwide anti-tax movement, in favor of a “grand bargain” that would boost levies on business property.

The Democrat who leads California’s largest city called on Governor Jerry Brown not to shrink from making sweeping changes in state tax laws that Villaraigosa, 58, said could produce as much as $36 billion a year in new revenue.

Villaraigosa urged the removal of Proposition 13’s limits on commercial-property assessments while retaining its cap for homes. The mayor said boosting tax revenue in the most-populous state would shore up the University of California system, promote budget stability and restore public-school funds.

“It’s time to address the unfairness inherent in a system that allows Wall Street hedge-fund managers to devise complex real-estate investment trusts that give the super-rich a free pass on taxes every ordinary homeowner in California has to pay,” Villaraigosa said in a speech at the Sacramento Press Club. “Let’s apply, as an idea, Proposition 13’s protections to homeowners and homeowners alone.”

The 1978 referendum, which allows unlimited reassessments for tax purposes only when property is sold, excludes some commercial transactions in real-estate investment trusts, or REITs, according to the mayor.

Comment by combotechie
2011-08-17 06:12:56

Yet another sign of deflation that comes disguised as inflation.

The contraction reduces tax revenues. Governments can’t stand to be forced to run with reduced tax revenues so they react by raising the tax rate, which people see as inflation.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 07:01:49

“…which people see as inflation…”

Perhaps so with a sales tax, where the purchase price includes the tax.

I’m not sure why a business getting a larger property tax bill would see it as inflation, but it would certainly see it as an expense which increased the cost of operating in California compared to, say, Texas.

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 13:27:04

The biggest thing that this change would bring is uncertainty.

In CA for years you’ve been able to have near certainty with respect to the property tax line-item (it goes up by 2% per year, regardless of property related inflation).

With this change, you wouldn’t have that certainty.

I suspect that most existing owners would fight for their status to remain unchanged…grandfathered in, and any change would apply to new property owners in the state.

Get ready for the Tenant In Common structures running wild.

At the end of the day, I would be shocked if this gets through the state legislature without some decrease in taxes elsewhere…they gotta get 2/3 majority.

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Comment by scdave
2011-08-17 07:02:51

so they react by raising the tax rate ??

Prop #13 specifically limits a increase of 2% per year on the current assessment combo…And thats assuming the property value went up which we all know they have not…So, most assessors are dealing with flat revenue on current assessments that have not fallen in value and they are reducing assessments on property that has fallen in value…Bottom line is their revenue is way down vs. the fixed expenses that they have in place like paying fire captains $200,000. per year and having five city workers standing around a 4 X 4 hole with one shovel & one broom……

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 09:02:31

The contraction reduces tax revenues. Governments can’t stand to be forced to run with reduced tax revenues so they react by raising the tax rate, which people see as inflation.

Which is exactly what’s happening here in Pima County.

Tax revenues down. Tax rate just increased. People not happy. And there’s a county supervisor election next year.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2011-08-17 06:52:53

dismantling California’s Proposition 13, which helped begin a nationwide anti-tax movement, in favor of a “grand bargain” that would boost levies on business property ??

Yeah, give government more money…Thats the solution…

Prop #13 was a Referendum…Calling on Jerry to overturn it is meaningless…A new referendum would be required to overturn it for commercial property…And if they did, (to quote from that little Texan) that sucking sound you here are employers leaving California…Ain’t gonna happen…

Comment by drumminj
2011-08-17 08:29:22

that sucking sound you here are employers leaving California…Ain’t gonna happen…

I’m pretty sure that sucking sound has been there for at least the past 5 years…

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 14:19:07

Soft sucking sounds are preferable to the loud sucking sound of an approaching tornado.

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Comment by drumminj
2011-08-17 14:31:55

Soft sucking sounds are preferable

during the property bubble run up I think the sucking sound was pretty large. Quite a few employers were looking for lower cost of living states…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 16:13:09

“Quite a few employers were looking for lower cost of living states…”

That’s why I just don’t understand the ongoing efforts by top policy makers (e.g. TTT) to keep housing unaffordably priced. Don’t they know that everyone needs a place to live, and that if most people can barely afford to pay for housing, they won’t engage in much of the other spending which might help the economy get back on its feet?

Why is keeping housing unaffordably priced a national priority?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 06:58:34

‘Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa proposed dismantling California’s Proposition 13, which helped begin a nationwide anti-tax movement, in favor of a “grand bargain” that would boost levies on business property.’

I’m not going to claim I think Proposition 13 was a good idea, but wouldn’t increased tax on business property have a tendency to drive business away from California? The state already has a reputation for being anti-business (aka anti-jobs). Just sayin’…

Comment by scdave
2011-08-17 07:06:13

You betcha it would Pbear….

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-17 07:23:55

Prop 13 has in the past, and will in the future, keep seniors in paid off homes. I’m in favor of it. As a recovered Republican, I am so sick of all the corporate whining. Add in the unions, banks, special interests, public servants,etc… Everyone needs to share in the burden. I’ve been to local BIA , BOMA, and REIT meetings, and they don’t ever want to open their wallets, but want J6P to.

Comment by SV guy
2011-08-17 07:50:50

Our budget deficit in Kalifornia is awful close to the estimated expenditures on undocumented Democrats here (FYI I don’t like repubs either). Now they want to squeeze us for more money to pay for this.

So here is a toast to all you retards that use migrant gardeners, housekeepers, shop at Wallmart, wave the flag at our overseas military adventures, thinks the TSA is protecting you from some unnamed boogie-man, thinks adding more debt will solve an existing debt problem, who thinks bigger government is the answer, who thinks your political team is the answer, etc.

I am very strongly anti-illegal alien. I am pro legal immigration. I don’t have a problem with helping people in a time of need. I DO have a problem opening the vault to a bunch of illegal invaders (albeit with full govermental blessing).

Especially when the vault is empty.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-17 18:41:55

“So here is a toast to all you retards that use migrant gardeners, housekeepers…”

Now this I can get behind. I absolutely, positively CANNOT STAND people who hire illegal aliens, whether they be businesses or individuals. For those of you who do: YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2011-08-17 07:59:59

Everyone needs to share in the burden ??

Key word being “everybody”….Progressive value added tax on everything is a possible way…

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 09:13:05

How do you implement a progressive value added tax?

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 13:29:48

@Happy2bHeard

0% on needs
Higher % on wants

Charge those selling the goods, just like sales tax.

I think the VAT would be very tough to implement in an individual state…much easier nationwide, but it could be done.

 
 
Comment by rms
2011-08-17 12:22:42

“As a recovered Republican…”

So you went back to work?…just kidding. :)

Sure hope I’m not being too inquisitive, but what does that mean, or what happened?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 16:14:23

“Prop 13 has in the past, and will in the future, keep seniors in paid off homes.”

It would be better to just hand these seniors welfare payments to keep them in their homes, rather than distorting the entire tax structure for this purpose.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 09:02:36

I see the biggest problem in CA being that over time, property taxes have been a smaller and smaller share of state revenues, and income taxes have grown to be a larger and larger share of state revenues.

We are taxing productivity more than other states. The biggest negatives for businesses in CA are 1) regulation; and 2) the high wages they need to pay employees here because of the higher cost of living/higher tax rates.

I’d be all for changing prop 13 to apply to PRIMARY residences only. There is no reason that a person with a second home in CA should get the benefit on that second home (especially if their primary is out of state and pay no CA state income tax). However, I would only be in favor of this if it meant dialing back personal income taxes. Does it need to be revenue neutral? No, but for every 4 dollars of increase, I would like to see at least a 3 dollar decrease in personal income tax.

Will it decrease property values? Maybe. But some of that decrease would be in form of houses going down in price…wonderful.

Comment by Al
2011-08-17 09:53:11

It wasn’t just income taxes that grew relative to property tax, but sales taxes too. Both income tax and sales tax tend to grow quickly during a boom, and drop quickly during a bust.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-17 11:22:18

You could probably run UC Davis on granite countertops alone.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 14:53:07

@Al-

I was referring to long-term structural changes. Incomes rose at faster than property taxes over a period of decades. This is not a cycle-specific phenomenon…but what you say is definitely true in the near term; however, I am more concerned about the long-term trend of taxing workers more than property owners, when both are getting the benefit of the state services.

 
 
 
 
Comment by rms
2011-08-17 07:14:01

The real issue is that California has roughly %11 of the U.S. population and nearly 33% of its welfare case load.

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-17 07:20:19

Well - someone has to pay for those $200,000/year fire fighters…

Nearly 3/4 of ALL local/school/city/county budgets go towards public employee salaries/benefits/pensions.

They have barely been touched.

Why?

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-17 07:34:35

Because there are contracts to which they are legally bound?

IIRC when Vallejo, CA went BK recently they were able to void the contracts and change the pay and benefits (which were indeed exhorbitant). Since most CA munis are going to find themselves insolvent sooner or later as they will run out of rainy day funds and accounting tricks they will eventually go BK as well. Then you will see changes to how their union employees are paid.

Comment by polly
2011-08-17 07:48:12

Aren’t most muni employee contracts for 3 year terms? I’ve seen that a lot. It seems that if the elected officials had the intestinal fortitude, they could renegotiate at some time before they reach bankruptcy.

Waiting to go bankrupt requires less guts (after all, you are bankrupt), but it has to make the transition more abrupt and therefore harder.

Then again, maybe waiting for the bankruptcy means they are more likely to get a deal that will work long-term.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-17 10:31:48

Aren’t most muni employee contracts for 3 year terms?

That sounds about right. The could try to renegotiate the contracts before they expire, but I expect that the rank and file would resist that.

One thing is certain … California is going to experience some abruptness.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-17 08:04:18

Just saw news reports that Miami is about to go under and wants it public unions to agree to large cut backs.

They gave themselves/unions two weeks.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-17 10:33:59

Once that wall starts looming the unreasonable can suddenly become reasonable. I think California still has some room to kick the can with accounting tricks and such. But the day of reckoning awaits the Golden State.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2011-08-17 08:09:23

Nothing voids a contract like a good old BK.

And ultimately, something of the sort will solve the US debt problem. Although in that case, I’m thinking break-up of the nation. It can and WILL happen. It will be the ultimate solution.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-17 08:14:21

Question: Because Prop 13 was passed by the voters and not the legislature, does that mean the legislature can’t vote a repeal? I suspect they can, but legislators might be doing so at their peril.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-17 09:12:14

Nice…

VIDEO: Michigan Business Owner Shot For Being Non-Union
MRCTV (Media Research Center TV) | 8/17/2011

John King, a Michigan business owner, was shot after he surprised a man trying to slash the tires on the truck outside of his Lambertville, MI home. The word ’scab’ was written on the side of his truck.

King is the owner of the largest non-union electrical contracting company in the area. The police are currently investigating the occurrence.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-17 07:52:02

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa proposed dismantling California’s Proposition 13

Won’t that require a 2/3 majority vote? If so, it ain’t gonna happen. The state and munis will either have to cut spending or go BK and void their contracts (there’s gonna be a lot of unhappy cops and firefighters).

Of course there is no provision in the law for states to go BK, so it when push comes to shove it will be interesting to see what happens. Will the state be TBTF and get bailed out while munis and counties get thrown to the wolves?

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 09:04:04

Yup.

The only way the Republicans would go for such a thing is if it also included reductions in personal income taxes, which would be a great thing for the state.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 02:23:58

- Good news, we are not going to slip back into a recession, so get out and buy a new car.

ITEM: Automakers rebound in July to lift factory output
Factory output rose in July by most since Japan crisis; single-family home construction fell

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. automakers rebounded in July to boost factory production by the most since the Japan crisis. But builders broke ground on fewer single-family houses, leaving home construction at depressed levels.

The mixed data suggest that the economy remains fragile but is not on the cusp of another recession.

Overall industrial production, which includes output by utilities, mines and factories, rose 0.9 percent last month, the Federal Reserve said Tuesday. That’s the largest gain this year.

Factory output, the biggest component of industrial production, climbed 0.6 percent. It was the greatest increase since the March 11 earthquake in Japan disrupted supply chains and slowed production at some U.S. auto plants.

The auto industry accounted for nearly all of the factory production gains. Motor vehicles and parts jumped 5.2 percent. Excluding that category, factory output grew only 0.2 percent.

Also driving industrial production higher was an unseasonably hot summer. That led more people to leave their air conditioners running. Utility output jumped 2.8 percent, the most since December. Mining output also increased.

The strong rise in output “suggests that the U.S. economy is not in a recession now, and it’s a fairly encouraging sign that it won’t slip into one, either,” said Paul Dales, senior U.S. economist with Capital Economics.

Still, growth is likely to stay weak in the second half of the year. High unemployment and a dismal housing market will weigh on consumer spending, Dales said.

The Commerce Department said builders began work on a seasonally adjusted 604,000 homes last month, a 1.5 percent decrease from June. That’s half the 1.2 million homes per year that economists say must be built to sustain a healthy housing market.

Single-family homes, which represent 70 percent of home construction, fell 5 percent. Apartment building rose more than 6 percent.

Comment by salinasron
2011-08-17 04:43:58

How many of those cars are just leases. They aren’t dropping prices, they are leasing and hoping that they can artificially keep car pricing high, just like housing until things turn around. Sooner than later, house squatter’s will have to pay rent and shut off the faucet.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 07:05:53

“Good news, we are not going to slip back into a recession, so get out and buy a new car.”

Apparently, many American families are finding expert opinion highly questionable. Perhaps this relates to the inability of many MSM-favored experts to foresee the Fall 2008 financial meltdown.

AUGUST 15, 2011, 10:35 A.M. ET

Fannie Mae Housing Survey Shows 64% Pessimistic On US Economy
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Fannie Mae’s (FNMA) second-quarter national housing survey reveals that 64% of American homeowners and renters say the economy is on the wrong track, the most pessimistic view since the survey’s inception in the first quarter of 2010.

“Consumers are more cautious due to concerns over employment and household finances,” said Doug Duncan, vice president and chief economist of Fannie Mae. “As a result, consumer spending, which accounts for about 70% of the economy, ground to a halt in the second quarter. Consumers are more hesitant to take on additional financial commitments, and a setback to confidence means a setback to the recovery of the housing market.”

For the month of July, the survey found that 70% now believe the economy is on the wrong track, with just 23% saying the economy is heading in the right direction.

Most Americans, 53%, think it would be difficult to get a home mortgage today, and the doubt increases to 71% among renters.

Furthermore, 26% of mortgage borrowers say they are underwater, up from 23% in the first quarter survey.

The results are based on 3,002 telephone interviews of Americans aged 18 and older from April 4 to June 28.

Comment by Al
2011-08-17 09:09:17

“…a setback to confidence means a setback to the recovery of the housing market.”

Yup. It’s always about confidence, and nothing to do with being broke because of too much debt and not enough jobs. Confidence.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 14:20:15

You must be one of them newfangled pyschological economists.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 10:55:38

Startup for the 2012 models.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 02:30:28

Mercedes, BMW Cars Burned in Berlin Protests - Bloomberg

Berlin resident Renate Langanke woke up shortly after midnight to a loud explosion. When the pensioner peeked out her window, she saw flames billowing from two Mercedes-Benz brand cars parked across the street.

“Fire and smoke was everywhere, you could smell burned rubber, it was awful,” said Langanke, who lives in a sleepy area with tree-lined alleys in white-collar western Berlin. “I’ve always felt safe here, now I’m scared.”

Arsonists have set fire to 26 cars in the German capital in the last two days, mainly from Daimler AG (DAI)’s Mercedes, Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (BMW) and Volkswagen AG (VOW)’s Audi, police said today. That brings the total number torched this year in Berlin to at least 138, more than double the figure for all of 2010.

The rise in Berlin car burnings coincides with widespread lawlessness that erupted last week across England. More than 1,500 people were arrested as rioters looted shops, attacked bystanders and burnt autos. In Berlin, far-left extremists are specifically targeting German luxury cars, symbols of the country’s wealth and export prowess, police said.

“The arsonists want to hit what they say are ‘Fat Cats,’” Berlin police spokesman Michael Gassen said. A special unit is investigating the fires as political crimes after the police received letters claiming responsibility that derided globalization, gentrification and rising rents, he said.
Political Discontent

While the attacks are spread out over the year, police usually see a spike during the summer months, Michael Maass, a Berlin police spokesman, said today. Maass declined to comment on how the attacks happened, saying police are seeking to avoid copycat crimes. In the past, arsonists have lit a car’s hood on fire after hosing it with accelerant. No arrests have been made.

The fires come amid worsening economic data and political discontent in the country. German growth, last year the motor of Europe’s recovery, almost ground to a halt in the second quarter. Gross domestic product, adjusted for seasonal effects, rose 0.1 percent from the first quarter, the Federal Statistics Office in Wiesbaden said yesterday.

Almost two years into the European debt crisis that began in Greece, restiveness over Germany’s contribution to rescues is also weighing on Chancellor Angela Merkel’s coalition as voters rebel over providing aid to fellow euro countries.

Comment by Hard Rain
2011-08-17 05:36:39

News flash for Fat Cats: it ain’t gonna end with cars…

Comment by nickpapageorgio
2011-08-17 11:34:35

I think all rational people of the world regardless of party should condemn this type of behavior. Rioting and chaos will not end well for anyone.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 13:00:51

Well, duh! Violence is bad. Rioting often destroys good businesses along with the bad.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 14:03:30

Rioting often destroys good businesses along with the bad.

Which is precisely what happened in Watts back in 1965. And, more recently, in Crenshaw back in 1992.

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-08-17 14:42:36

Well, duh! Violence is bad

Yeah. It leads to thinks like the deposition of oppressive regimes, paving the way for free societies and the like. We can’t have that! Some place similar to what the US was in the 1700s might be born!!!

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-18 01:02:44

“It leads to thinks like the deposition of oppressive regimes, paving the way for free societies and the like.”

Which is why the rich should share power and wealth. So they can preserve the system that has led to their advantages. When too much power and wealth is concentrated, then violence is predictable. People will not go quietly into oblivion. It is in the best interest of the upper crust to make sure that the lower classes are content.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2011-08-17 05:44:04

Speaking of Fat Cat rides, must have to pass an A-hole test to purchase a Range Rover.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-17 06:29:17

Funny, I was riding by a couple of hoods on my bicycle this morning, and one said “I like your bike, why don’t you give it to me?”

I was bigger than they were, so I just kept riding along. But I’m already regretting that the bike store chick managed to upsell me to something other than the cheapest available, something that never happens. My wife was there, and it was a 25th anniversary present from her, and she wanted me to have a slightly nicer one.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-08-17 06:49:47

Similar thing happened to me years ago - after buying a new bike off the clearance rack that wasn’t even that special - but it looked new. Based on observations of my fellow bike commuters may I recommend stickers, lots of stickers, and some ugly spray paint (pink for viz and turn off factor).

Comment by SV guy
2011-08-17 07:29:29

“may I recommend stickers, lots of stickers, and some ugly spray paint (pink for viz and turn off factor).”

I would like to add .44 magnum bear repellent is pretty effective up here in the Rockies regarding the four legged type bandits.

Should yield similar results with your ‘ahem’ target group.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 09:05:50

My primary bike would collapse if it weren’t for all the stickers. Not to mention the fact that it’s 25 years old and looks like it.

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Comment by scdave
2011-08-17 07:17:26

Well the good news W T is that those more expensive bikes go faster than the cheaper ones…Use those gears and Pedal baby pedal…:)

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-17 08:24:15

Heh, I remember the frequent posts here a few years ago about how the cities were what’s happening and the boonies would end up being unpopulated. Of course there was a counter-current at the time as well.

I wonder how soon flash mobs will put an end to most retail shops, and internet purchases will be the only way you can buy “stuff.” Also, how soon will a UPS or FedEx delivery truck be hit by a flash mob. It would be like Christmas; you don’t know what you might find in the boxes you grab.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-08-17 11:50:19

Well, on the bright side think of it this way, for every hipster doofus that buys in a city there’s one less to move to a rural location and bid up the cost of living.

As a lifelong city dweller my memories span both the decline and the gentrification/”rebirth”. Many, many of the new agers have no knowledge of just how quickly capital fled cities in the postwar era. Could it happen again? Certainly!

But housing prices of the past decade do not reflect that possibility. City housing prices reflect a belief in a wondorous new age of enlightened civility, flash mobs not withstanding.

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-17 16:28:22

Trust me energy prices are going to make the country dwellers poor real fast.

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2011-08-17 07:17:53

Better forget about the Co-Motion Americano.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-17 08:15:59

That’s why I didn’t ditch my old bikes even though they’re slightly rickety. The fast one is only to ride the back country hills and 25 mph straightaways. Local riding is strictly the old hybrids so I can go in and buy a drink w/o concern.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-17 08:45:31

Well this isn’t a fancy bike, just not the cheapest available.

But it is new and shiny. I had ridden home in the rain and got it splattered, then went into the bike shop for a post sale tune up. The mechanic was wiping it off. What are you doing? I said. I need that!

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Comment by michael
2011-08-17 11:03:29

“I was bigger than they were”

not sure i would rely on that…in the hood.

friend of mine got into a fight with someone from the hood in high school. my friend kicked his ass.

the next week my friend had to transfer to a private school.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-17 07:22:57

Ain’t multiculturalism grand!

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-17 07:43:57

The article didn’t say they were Turks. They could have been skin head neo nazis for all we know.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 09:04:44

In Berlin, far-left extremists are specifically targeting German luxury cars, symbols of the country’s wealth and export prowess, police said.

“The arsonists want to hit what they say are ‘Fat Cats,’” Berlin police spokesman Michael Gassen said.

Only a matter of time before the same thing happens in this country. Conspicuous consumption will be a risk factor for a lot of people.

Comment by polly
2011-08-17 10:36:08

I’ll be sure to let you know if any of the conspicuous consumption stores that I have to walk past to get to the Metro take any damage. As of now, I don’t see any indication that the one that closed over the summer is going to be occupied in the near future.

Louis Vuitton’s window designer may have gone off the deep end. I rather liked last year’s display of bags and other accessories suspended in gilded cages. Thought it send a good message to those who would spend so much to have someone else’s initials all over their possesions. But this year? Exactly why do all the bags and things have long, gold duck legs? Webbed feet and all. Is a customer a “silly goose”? I find it amusing, but I don’t understand it.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 11:18:23

to those who would spend so much to have someone else’s initials all over their possesions.

:-)

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-17 12:52:09

Polly
You’re a girl after my own heart. A friend who lost her home, doesn’t have any savings, and is down to 1/2 of her former salary, just bought Coach handbags. $300+ for cloth? I don’t get it either.

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Comment by polly
2011-08-17 13:41:29

You know, I after the recent vacation, I think I understand it just a little bit. I wouldn’t participate, but I think I know what they are after.

I did shop at a few places in my neighborhood before I left. The first part of the vacation was a cruise with my family and my mother was insistent that t-shirts wouldn’t be OK for dinner. It turns out that plenty of people did wear t-shirts at dinner, but I respect her enough to have picked up a few extra tops. I didn’t go to the super outrageous shops that I walk past to get to the Metro, but I did walk through a few department stores and a brand name store in this area. The department stores don’t go all out for people browsing the end of the season 40 to 60% off racks, but even then, the employees go out of their way to smile and ask you if need help. At the brand store (Talbots) there was even more service. People asking if they could set up a dressing room for you and such.

Now, this really doesn’t do that much for me. It is nice, I guess, but I don’t get any sense of self-worth from having people whose job it is to get stuff sold be nice to me when I am a customer. They aren’t friends; they are shop assistants. But if you are used to being treated poorly in day to day life (or just think you are), then the service might be a spirit lifter. You can pretend, just for a minute, that you belong in that place, surrounded by “nice” (or at least expensive) things and well-dressed people who smile at you and want to help you. And then you get to take a part of that experience home with you.

I get the concept. I think it is silly, and obviously self-destructive, but I get it. (By the way, I got four tops and still have $12 left on a $100 gift card that was probably 3 or 4 years old.)

The people trying to lure you in at the shops near the cruise terminals were much, much worse. I had folks falling over themselves to spend time trying to sell me $20K rings. Oddly enough, I could have bought one. I think I’d rather be hit by a bus than spend that much money on a ring, but I could have. The stores were crawling with people. Their margins must be gigantic to be able to spend that much time with anyone who walks in the door looking for a freebie bracelet charm on the off chance that she is actually going to buy something.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-08-17 14:20:47

Those jewelry stores around cruise ship terminals are the wierdest places places ever. And they were around every terminal in every country i’ve cruised to (the carribbean). All the same and store after store of the same merch. That’s a business model I don’t get. The markups have to be in the neighborhood of ’sell 1 item a day, the fixed costs are covered’ for them to work out.

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2011-08-17 16:32:08

Then instead of paying higher taxes to rebuild infrastructure and put people to work the elite will be paying for security details armored cars and helicopter rides. They’ll see investments go up in smoke and have to worry about their children being kidnapped.

See third world for details.

 
 
Comment by Elanor
2011-08-17 09:54:56

Real fat cats don’t park on the street.

Comment by pdmseatac
2011-08-17 10:37:37

“Comment by Elanor
2011-08-17 09:54:56

Real fat cats don’t park on the street.”

But they have to drive on the same roads as everyone else. Who says the mobs can do their work only after the bling-loaded ride has been safely parked ?

Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-17 13:15:51

If you’re still driving, you aren’t much different than I am (albeit on a bike). Now, if you have a driver? That’s fat cat land.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 13:50:02

Even Charles and Camilla didn’t feel safe in the backseat of their fat cat car with mobs of people around them.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 14:05:28

Even Charles and Camilla didn’t feel safe in the backseat of their fat cat car with mobs of people around them.

They sure didn’t. The look of fear on their faces was striking, to say the least.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-17 14:44:25

True, they were pooping bricks.

My point was that if you’re going to go after the “fat cats”, don’t go after some donkey in a BMW SUV (Car & Driver poorly rated auto). He/she’s one mortgage payment from joining you in the streets.

Go to Greenwich, CT with the piece that Jesse Ventura was sporting in “Predator” and light that place up.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-17 15:35:28

Don’t have to work for shelter, don’t have to work for food or medical care. But you’ve got a Mercedes and I have to ride the bus. Not fair, so I’ll destroy your Mercedes. I also want your designer tennis shoes, fancy bike, leather jacket, etc. because I deserve them and I shouldn’t have to work for them.

Even after everyone is ground down to the lowest common economic denominator, those who work a little harder to get ahead will be viewed with suspicion by others. And envy.

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-17 16:33:55

BINGO that’s the problem a lot of middle and upper middle class people will be the target of choice because they are closer and easier to get to. The real targets should be the people behind large walls who fly in and out with helicopters.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-17 16:51:04

“because I deserve them and I shouldn’t have to work for them.

Even after everyone is ground down to the lowest common economic denominator, those who work a little harder to get ahead will be viewed with suspicion by others”

Those aren’t the people who did this. You’ve missed the point once again in your fear of the black beret. Nobody is talking about not working hard. It’s about anger at those people who have used money to gain power and influence in order to (often illegally) tip the scales sharply in their favor.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 03:09:34

Perhaps after Merkel and Sarkozy “fix” the euro-zone they can jet over here and give us a few tips.

ITEM: European Economy Slows More Than Forecast as Debt Crisis Saps German Might- Bloomberg

Gross domestic product in the 17-nation euro area rose 0.2 percent from the first quarter, when it increased 0.8 percent, the European Union’s statistics office in Luxembourg said in a statement today. That’s the worst performance since the euro region emerged from a recession in late 2009. Economists had forecast the economy to expand 0.3 percent, according to the median of 34 estimates in a Bloomberg News survey.

Europe’s economy may struggle to gather strength as governments from Italy to Spain step up budget cuts to fight the debt crisis. In Germany, Europe’s largest economy, growth almost stalled in the second quarter. German Chancellor Angela Merkel will meet French President Nicolas Sarkozy today in Paris under pressure to do more to combat the fiscal crisis.

“Growth may virtually stagnate in the second half and there’s a threat of a renewed recession,” said Martin van Vliet, senior economist at ING Groep NV in Amsterdam. “It’s up to Merkel and Sarkozy to prevent further contagion to the economy; the longer the turbulences persist, the higher the risk of a recession.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 03:11:47

Chinese Speculators Fuel Property Market With Fake Divorces to Skirt Curbs By Bloomberg News - Aug 15, 2011

Frank He said he faked a divorce from his wife of 10 years to skirt China’s ban on third mortgages and obtain a bank loan for a third property, a 12 million yuan ($1.9 million) suburban villa.

“My wife and I love each other, but as long as we can get the mortgage from the bank for the deal, we’ll take it,” said He, a 40-year-old manager at a chemical company. The forged document, which cost the Shanghai couple 20,000 yuan, helped them get a loan amounting to 60 percent of the purchase price, he said.

Chinese homebuyers and developers are finding loopholes as they come under pressure from government policies to curb gains in residential prices, such as limits on the number of properties owned. Builders are refraining from cutting prices, offering free parking lots and attics instead, as they face higher borrowing costs after Standard & Poor’s downgraded their outlook in June.

Their actions may hamper the government’s efforts to prevent a bubble in the housing market. Sales surged 25 percent in the first seven months from a year earlier and prices climbed in 67 of 70 cities monitored by the government in the first half.

“These are actually price cuts in disguise,” Sun Mingchun, Hong Kong-based economist at Daiwa Securities Capital Markets, said in an interview. “Developers are reluctant to offer discounts and are playing games with the government.”

Some sellers are throwing in gardens and basements, according to a Century 21 China Real Estate report in June. In Shanghai, properties with the additional offerings draw 30 percent more customers to display homes than those without, according to the country’s second-biggest real estate brokerage firm with 22,000 employees.

Cash-Flow Crunch

Chinese developers are facing a strain on liquidity. Almost 70 percent said their cash-flow conditions worsened in August from July, independent investment advisory firm CEBM Group Ltd. said in an Aug. 5 report, citing a monthly survey of real-estate companies in 12 cities. That compared with 22 percent in July.

Cash flow in the first quarter dropped 38.9 billion yuan, the most in at least five years, based on Bloomberg calculations from financial statements of 136 developers based in China and listed on the mainland and Hong Kong exchanges.

Developers may have to cut prices to stave off a capital shortage as the government tightens the market further, said Danny Ma, Shanghai-based director of China research for CB Richard Ellis Group Inc. in an interview. Home prices rose at the slowest pace in 11 months in July, according to SouFun Holdings Ltd.

Comment by scdave
2011-08-17 06:20:28

Renters are getting into the market in Sacramento…

As home prices continue fall, low-end buyers turn market busy

By Rick Daysog
rdaysog@sacbee.com
Published: Wednesday, Aug. 17, 2011 - 12:00 am | Page 1A

Home prices in Sacramento have dropped so much that more and more people can’t resist the bargains.

Researcher DataQuick reported Tuesday that the number of single-family homes sold in Sacramento County jumped 12.5 percent in July from the same month a year ago.

Sales in El Dorado, Placer and Yolo counties also posted double-digit percentage increases last month, DataQuick said.

Buyers continue to crowd the lower end of the market, where falling prices have made it cheaper to own than to rent in many cases. Prices are now 50 percent below their 2007 peak.

“It’s all bargain shopping and bottom feeding because prices have come down so much,” said DataQuick analyst Andrew LePage.
The local sales numbers run counter to statewide results for July. The number of homes sold in California dropped 1.4 percent from July 2010, and in the Bay Area – usually a key barometer of Sacramento’s housing market - sales dropped 1.7 percent.

According to DataQuick, the median price for a single-family home in Sacramento County was $161,000 last month, a 10.6 percent decline from the year-earlier period.

Median prices in El Dorado County fell 18.6 percent to $250,000 in July while the median in Placer County was down 10.4 percent at $259,500. Yolo County’s median was off 8.1 percent at $221,500.

Those low prices present opportunities for investors hoping to rent out properties and flip them when the market improves.

They’ve also attracted renters like Adam and Monica Stark, who earlier this month purchased a two-bedroom, one-bathroom ranch-style home in Tahoe Park for $90,000.

Monica Stark, a freelance writer, and her husband, an architect, are paying about $630 a month on their mortgage. They used to pay $790 a month to rent a smaller home nearby, said Stark, who is expecting her first child in January.

“The home has a lot of the charm and character you find in east Sacramento without having to pay for the ZIP code,” she said, adding, “It was like ‘Why not buy?’ at these prices.”

According to DataQuick, a big chunk of the sales activity was in the low-end of the market.

More than 45 percent of all single-family closings in July were for homes that sold for $150,000 or less. A year ago, 27.4 percent of the sales were for homes in that price range.

The local real estate market has a long way to go before it recovers. But Eric Pine, senior executive associate with Lyon Real Estate’s Folsom office, said the lower end is beginning to resemble a seller’s market.

Pine said that one of his clients submitted an offer last week for a three-bedroom home in Folsom, only to find out that the seller had seven other offers.

“Buyers are starting to come off the fence,” he said.

Doug Covill, a Realtor with Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage, said he’s not ready to say the market has hit bottom, but there are plenty of buyers in its lower reaches.

Even though prices are down, Covill said, the market is hardly suffering from a glut of homes for sale. In fact, he said, a lack of inventory is preventing more sales. Covill is president of the 5,500-member Sacramento Association of Realtors.

According to figures compiled by the association, the housing inventory is enough to last only 2.3 months.

Too many homes are tied up in foreclosure and haven’t been put on the market by lenders, Covill said.

“The longer we have those houses sitting there, the longer it drags out our economic downturn,” Covill said.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 09:09:25

Those low prices present opportunities for investors hoping to rent out properties and flip them when the market improves.

I hope that those investors bring a good-sized pot of money into their landlording lives.

Why? Because after a few years of renting to tenants, they’re going to be shelling out a lot of money in order to bring their investment houses back up to snuff before they try to sell them. After all, tenants tend not to take very good care of houses.

Comment by pdmseatac
2011-08-17 10:50:22

“Why? Because after a few years of renting to tenants, they’re going to be shelling out a lot of money in order to bring their investment houses back up to snuff before they try to sell them. After all, tenants tend not to take very good care of houses.”

Why the hating on renters ? I’m one myself. My wife cleaned out all of the weedy flower beds here, then designed and planted a beautiful new garden. There is not a weed on the property. I regularly clean the outside of the house and scrape and touch-up the paint if I find any peeling. If I get a scuff on the inside I always touch it up. I repair leaky faucets, replace worn-out light switches, trim trees, clean moss off the roof, regularly clean the gutters, etc., etc. Our rental shines by comparison to many of the loan-owner occupied houses in the area.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 13:54:12

We take care of our rental property as well, but many tenants do not. I think this is especially true of the student tenants that Slim sees in her nieghborhood.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 14:07:41

We take care of our rental property as well, but many tenants do not. I think this is especially true of the student tenants that Slim sees in her nieghborhood.

Yup, that’s precisely who I’m referring to. Students are notorious for beating the H-E-Double-Hockey Stick out of their living quarters.

And, for extreme examples, visit any fraternity house.

 
 
 
 
Comment by michael
2011-08-17 06:24:10

market interest rates coupled with creative destruction = the only deterrent.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 07:10:43

Cracking down on rampant fraud might serve as a deterrent, but not seeing this yet, at least at the top of the dung heap.

Comment by michael
2011-08-17 07:32:49

i should have said great deterrant…not only.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 07:09:38

‘“My wife and I love each other, but as long as we can get the mortgage from the bank for the deal, we’ll take it,” said He, a 40-year-old manager at a chemical company.’

Does real estate fraud actually confer bragging rights in China? I know there was rampant real estate fraud in the U.S. before and after the Housing Bubble burst in 2006, but I can’t remember infestors openly bragging about their exploits in the MSM.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-17 07:29:57

Liar loan your way to prosperity.

…worked for our mega-banks.

 
 
Comment by rms
2011-08-17 07:21:10

“Frank He said he faked a divorce from his wife of 10 years to skirt China’s ban on third mortgages and obtain a bank loan for a third property, a 12 million yuan ($1.9 million) suburban villa.”

Wow, China doesn’t mess around with criminals. Wonder if I’ll see his organs for sale on eBay this winter?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 08:16:35

“TrueBambooLie™” = Deception by order$ of magnitude ;-)

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2011-08-17 04:16:22

THE BANKERS’ MANIFESTO OF 1934

“Capital must protect itself in every way, through combination and through legislation. Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law, the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of wealth, under control of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capital to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expand their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd. Thus by discrete action we can secure for ourselves what has been generally planned and successfully accomplished.”

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-17 05:03:25

See also: “The Creature From Jekyll Island” about the origins and formation of the Federal Reserve.

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-08-17 06:29:54

“By dividing the people we can get them to expand their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us exceopt as teachers of the common herd.”

This is what I see happening when discussions here and elsewhere devolve into fingerpointing, and the essence of an important issue is shredded and becomes a Republican issue or a Democratic issue, Liberal, Conservative, Right Wing, Left Wing - whatever - and while all this is going on the issue remains unattended to and unresolved.

And the PTB that benifit from the issue remaining unresolved win yet again.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-17 08:06:30

“This is what I see happening when discussions here and elsewhere devolve into fingerpointing, and the essence of an important issue is shredded …”

I agree. Let’s cut the malarkey, reform the tax system to get the rich to once again pay their fair share, get a universal health coverage system like the rest of the world and save a ton of money while covering everyone and encouraging entrepreneurship, restore Glass Steagall, and we’ll be fine.

Enough with the partisan diversions! You’re playing into the hands of the fat cats! Let’s git-r-done!

Comment by palmetto
2011-08-17 08:11:38

“get a universal health coverage system like the rest of the world”

Africa and Asia have universal health coverage? Who knew?

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-17 08:35:23

“This is what I see happening when discussions here and elsewhere devolve into fingerpointing, and the essence of an important issue is shredded …”

When someone says 2 + 2 = 5 (because they like 5) they should be corrected. If they keep saying it after their math has been corrected then I can understand why a finger would be pointed at them because it points out their obvious agenda and error to other people reading.

For example: We CANNOT solve our deficit problem without fixing health care and if we went to single-payer, we would solve our deficit problems. Therefore why do the biggest deficit hawks ignore the solution? Why? Because they are not smart or not sincere or they have an agenda.

This calculator again proves the point that the right ignores. It’s at the bottom of the link.

Health Care Budget Deficit Calculator

http://www.cepr.net/calculators/hc/hc-calculator.html

…The Calculator lets you see what projected U.S. budget deficits would be if we had the same per person health care costs as any of the countries listed below, all of which enjoy longer life expectancies than the U.S. (Life expectancies are listed in parentheses.)

The U.S. health care system is possibly the most inefficient in the world: We spend twice as much per person on health care as other advanced countries, but we have worse health outcomes, including a lower life expectancy. The government, through programs like Medicare and Medicaid, pays for approximately half of the country’s health care, almost all of which is actually provided by the private sector. Thus, the bulk of our projected rising budget deficits are due to skyrocketing health care costs.

The CEPR Health Care Budget Deficit Calculator shows that if the U.S. can get health care costs under control, our budget deficits will not rise uncontrollably in the future. But if we fail to contain health care costs, then it will be almost impossible to prevent exploding future budget deficits.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 09:24:00

Tankxs for the reminder Rio!

they have an agenda$. :-)

Laurel: “They most sointly do!”

Hardy: “Well, here’s another nice mess you’ve gotten me into!”

“…devolve into fingerpointing, and the e$$ence of an important issue is shredded …”

(A common routine the team performed was a “tit-for-tat” fight with an adversary.
Laurel and Hardy would accidentally damage someone else’s property, with the injured party retaliating by ruining something belonging to Laurel or Hardy. After calmly surveying the damage they would find something else to vandalize and conflict would escalate until both sides were simultaneously destroying property in front of each other.
They often had physical arguments with each other, which were quite complex and involved cartoon violence, and their characters preclude them from making any real progress in even the simplest endeavors.
[x1 an example below of how to deal with “TrueAnti-Gov'tEverythingZealots™”] :-)

One of their best-remembered dialogue routines was the “Tell me that again” routine. Laurel would tell Hardy a genuinely smart idea he had come up with, and Hardy would reply, “Tell me that again.” Laurel would attempt to repeat the idea, but jumble it into utter nonsense. Hardy, who had difficulty understanding Laurel’s idea when expressed clearly, would understand perfectly when hearing the jumbled version.)

 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-17 09:40:38

From Naomi Klein’s piece in today’s UK Guardian:

Looting with the lights on

We keep hearing England’s riots weren’t political –but looters know that their elites have been committing daylight robbery

“They are just about lawless kids taking advantage of a situation to take what isn’t theirs. And British society, Cameron tells us, abhors that kind of behaviour. This is said in all seriousness. As if the massive bank bailouts never happened, followed by the defiant record bonuses. Followed by the emergency G8 and G20 meetings, when the leaders decided, collectively, not to do anything to punish the bankers for any of this, nor to do anything serious to prevent a similar crisis from happening again. Instead they would all go home to their respective countries and force sacrifices on the most vulnerable. They would do this by firing public sector workers, scapegoating teachers, closing libraries, upping tuition fees, rolling back union contracts, creating rush privatisations of public assets and decreasing pensions –mix the cocktail for where you live. And who is on television lecturing about out the need to give up these “entitlements”? The bankers and hedge-fund managers, of course.”

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 11:46:14

Instead they would all go home to their respective countries and force sacrifices on the most vulnerable. ;-)

The folk$ who really Made-off are the no-hold$-barred wealthie$ who are still “Free to move about their favorite countries!” (Tankxs SouthWest!)

The MegaInc.$,…they’re $uffering $o! Hurry! reduce/eliminate their taxe$, Hurry,… Cinder$ & Ashe$…Agonie$ & Pain$, help ‘em.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 05:16:41

Rep. Ron Paul, the candidate news media ignore because they disagree with him, explains that the government takes in some $2.2 trillion in taxes. But it spends $3.7 trillion. “We must enhance revenue” say Democrats, meaning “We must raise taxes.” Dr. Paul brazenly suggests that runaway government spending is the problem, not the American people having too much money - more of which they must ship to the U.S. Treasury Department to fund the federal spending spree.

Says Paul, “The only way to avoid chaos is for Congress to immediately reduce federal spending and take the Constitution seriously again. The welfare/warfare state will end [one way or another], but winding it down responsibly is a far better way to do it. .Stating the Obvious.

He sounds like a real whacko. Imagine trying to sell the American people on such schemes as running the government according to the U.S. Constitution, balancing budgets, or re-establishing a system of sound money. The majority of voters cannot conceive of such a thing and will cling to the failed framework of government they have grown used to. They have lived since 1940 under creeping price inflation. They can’t picture buying a cup of coffee for a dime or a loaf of bread for fourteen cents.

The paper dollar is based only on faith and it takes more and more of them just to get along in the 21st century. The people’s faith in printing press money is beginning to fade, but they’re still counting on Dr. Bernanke and the banking system to “get us back on track” and for Uncle Sam to maintain modern day soup lines as long as necessary.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-17 05:27:16

I find it very strange that Ron Paul is being blacklisted by the corporations who alledgedly own the news. Don’t they want less regulation and less government and less butting into their business? If so, the Ron Paul would be their dream candidate, right?

Or maybe, those corporations really do want a nanny-state as long as they can control who benefits from it.

Comment by Hard Rain
2011-08-17 05:45:26

Or maybe, those corporations really do want a nanny-state as long as they can control who benefits from it.

Bingo…

 
Comment by SV guy
2011-08-17 07:57:44

You answered your own question Oxy.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 09:10:42

While I think many people agree with Ron Paul, they fear the speed at which he could drive change, and the near term effect of those changes are very unknown. The US as a whole has been like the turtle in a pot of cold water, slowly being brought to a boil over a period of decades…Ron Paul wants to put the turtle immediately into an ice bath.

I happen to be one of those people. I like what I hear, but I wonder what the implications would be in the medium term (next 5-10 years) if he wins and gets his way.

Comment by Max Power
2011-08-17 11:35:12

The reality is that many of the things Ron Paul wants to do can’t be done without the involvement of Congress. The president is not a dictator.

I like Ron Paul and I like most of what he says, but I get concerned when I don’t hear him talk about how he’ll deal with the consequences of doing what he wants to do. It’s nice to say abolish the Fed and go back to gold backed currency, but those actions will have massive consequences. Would like to see a little more detail from him on how we actually get from where we are today to where we should be. I agree with the goal, but I want to make sure we’ve thought through and planned for all of the consequences that will occur on the path to that goal.

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Comment by cactus
2011-08-17 13:52:49

but I wonder what the implications would be in the medium term (next 5-10 years) if he wins and gets his way.

hard times for many addicted to the government cheese

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Comment by Max Power
2011-08-17 14:42:40

True. And I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing. Reality is reality. It has to happen at some point and I’d rather see it happen on our terms than being forced into it. Time to act like grown ups and balance the budget. Spending is too high and taxes are too low. It will be a painful, but necessary adjustment.

The US standard of living has to adjust downward in the medium term. Only way around that is to continue borrowing.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 14:54:41

That’s going to happen anyway. I’m more concerned with uncertainty related to structural changes to monetary policy (if enacted).

 
 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-17 06:14:31

“They have lived since 1940 under creeping price inflation”

Yeah, the post-WW2 period was a real American nightmare. It was only when wages quit keeping up with this inflation (ie globalism/’free’ trade/union busting) that we had a problem. Until then, we were paying our bills, and the middle class was thriving- and so were the rich.

But the rich wanted more…and here we are.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-17 07:58:50

I grew up in the post war period. The creeping inflation was inflicted on a generation of people used to sacrificing without question “for the good of the country”. Inflation robbed the frugal savers of that era blind. Sure, as a youngster, I could ride the wave of inflation, I didn’t have anything to lose. My grandfather died in the 50s, leaving my grandmother a small pension. She lived off of that for the next 40 years, each year able to buy less and less and less. The “rich” people didn’t break into her house and steal from her, it was the FedGov and the FedReserve.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-17 08:12:40

The FegGov and FedReserve that ’stole’ from her were paying off the WW2 debts that saved your granny’s bacon, and her little pension, and creating the prosperous society that she lived in.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-17 08:25:36

The men in my family put their lives on the line to save granny’s bacon and your precious little seed as well. We didn’t need to steal her savings to pay for the war 30 years later.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-17 08:41:39

Don’t get all choked up by wrapping that flag around yourself so tightly- my peeps fought too.

And how else were we to pay for the war? Oh, I bet we should have just defaulted, right? Or not built the universities, or interstates, or had a space program, or had the GI Bill or, fought the Cold War, or did everything that made America a great and safe place for granny to spend the rest of her god-fearing patriotic life, and for her kids to grow up in.

The Austrian Schoolers are already denying the existence of the Long Depression despite its being in every history textbook in the world. Are they now moving on to claiming the post WW2 period in America was actually a terrible time?

Where does it end? Piles of burning books?

 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-08-17 10:22:43

The FegGov and FedReserve that ’stole’ from her were paying off the WW2 debts that saved your granny’s bacon, and her little pension, and creating the prosperous society that she lived in.

Actually, the debt was never repaid. The GDP grew, reducing the ratio of debt::GDP :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Debt_Trend.svg

Also: Look at column 6 - increase in the debt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms#Gross_federal_debt

This is why I have a dim view of actually reducing the actual, real level of debt.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-17 08:50:00

The “rich” people didn’t break into her house and steal from her, it was the FedGov and the FedReserve.

In light of who controls both, that sentence is funny and exemplifies a common, great disconnect.

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Comment by SV guy
2011-08-17 08:02:18

alpha,

Out of curiosity, why do you defend the status-quo so?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 08:27:07

Perhaps because only “TrueAnti-Gov’tEverythingZealots™” constantly extol their cult mantra whilst foaming out of the corners of their mouth$: “Diz’ ALL the Gov’t fault!” :-)

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-17 08:55:01

“why do you defend the status-quo so?”

Do you know what status quo means? How often do I defend it?

When I call for higher taxes on the rich? Universal health care coverage? Stronger regulation of the financial sector? None of that is status quo- quite the opposite.

Just because I’m not a sucker for whatever ‘new’ policy the Kochtopus has cooked up? Or because I think that Ron Paul’s ideas would be disastrous to our well-being (seriously, no FDA? no EPA?) Opposing new but bad ideas is not necessarily defending the status quo.

I’m more of a status quo ante kind of guy. We had a great system here after WW2, and it made a lot of people a lot better off than ever before in history. I want to go back to that. The status quo ante Reagan. Free market capitalism without unfair trade, cronyism, rampant financial corruption, and unsustainable wealth distribution. And a secure safety net.

Hardly the status quo.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 09:29:14

“unsu$tainable wealth distribution$. ;-)

“$torm the American Ba$tille!”
“$torm the American Ba$tille!”
“$torm the American Ba$tille!”

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-17 09:32:50

We had a great system here after WW2 when the US (according to author William Manchester) controlled 75% of the world’s wealth mostly because the rest of the world’s manufacturing capacity had to be rebuilt.

Ummm, that’s gonna be kind of expensive to get back.

Also pre WW2 we were the largest world’s net creditor, not the world’s largest net debtor like we are now. Deeper pockets is usually how one “wins” at these things in the first place.

By the way,hbb librarian, AZ Slim, can you recommend a good book tracking the funding behind each country’s spending in WW2? Or can anyone recommend a good place to start digging?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 10:00:40

By the way,hbb librarian, AZ Slim, can you recommend a good book tracking the funding behind each country’s spending in WW2? Or can anyone recommend a good place to start digging?

I’d recommend reading anything by William Shirer or William Manchester.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-17 10:21:46

“Ummm, that’s gonna be kind of expensive to get back.”

I’m not saying we can snap our fingers and go back in time. We just need to accept that trickle-down economics and deregulation have failed, miserably, in exactly the way as was predicted. And then we can look around for what worked. And then we’ll start crawling our way back to the FDR/Keynesian system that gave us our greatest shared prosperity- the only kind that lasts.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-17 10:46:41

Thanks AZSlim. Wm Manchester already a fave. Will have to check out Wm Shirer.

Alpha, my point was being in control of 75% of the world’s wealth was kind of a post war related fluke. And even if we attempted to recreate something similar, there are no guarantees we’d end up w/similiar results. See creditor vs debtor point above. IMHO we’re gonna have to live in a world where people other than Americans are calling some of the shots and producing much of the GWP. Within that parameter, monetary systems will decide lesser details.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 14:09:59

Me again. To my previous list of outstanding historian/writers, I’d like to add Barbara Tuchman and Harrison Salisbury.

 
 
 
 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-17 06:32:53

For those who haven’t seen the Jon Stewart segment on Ron Paul being ignored by the MSM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EY5Ofcxjs0

Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2011-08-17 08:27:56

If you missed it yesterday, or want to vote again, this is the link to the Fox News straw poll for the Republican candidate. Right side of the page - down a bit. Ron Paul is the current leader.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/americas-newsroom/index.html

Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2011-08-17 08:50:06

Never mind. Just checked - they’ve changed it to a health care issue. No mention of Ron Paul winning the straw poll.

Lots of stuff on Rick Perry.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-17 09:20:26

Like I said yesterday…even if he’s winning and gaining momentum, the press just won’t bring up his name at all. If people truly want to get this on the radar, they’re going to have to go other routes. How bout going on social media or e-mail and telling friends what’s going on? Personally I’m not sure I’d want RP to win. Mostly because his military stance needs a few more steps than just an abrupt withdrawal for my liking. But the fact that the press is blacking out info should be a fact everyone is aware of.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 09:57:25

If you were to discount Ron Paul, then Rick Perry won. ;)

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-17 13:45:10

What about Rick Parry?

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-17 15:49:18

“We had a great system here after WW2, and it made a lot of people a lot better off than ever before in history. I want to go back to that. The status quo ante Reagan. Free market capitalism without unfair trade, cronyism, rampant financial corruption, and unsustainable wealth distribution. And a secure safety net.”

So you want all that great mid-century stuff AND a safety net?

Except for SS, which paid a few dollars for the few years the average person lived after age 65, there was no safety net in the years after WWII. However, your first sentence in the quote above is accurate.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 05:20:42

Clinton opposes budget cuts
AFPAFP – 18 hrs ago

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned against budget cuts that could force an abrupt pullout of the US security presence in the Pacific at a time when China’s power is rising

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned Tuesday against budget cuts that could force an abrupt pullout of the US security presence in the Pacific at a time when China’s power is rising.

The debate over reducing the US debt “does cast a pall over our ability to project the kind of security interests that are in America’s interests,” Clinton told officers at the National Defense University.

“We need to have a responsible conversation about how we are going to prepare ourselves for the future and there are a lot of issues that are not in the headlines but are in the trendlines,” she said.

“We are asserting our presence in the Pacific. We are a Pacific power. That means all elements of our national security team have to be present,” the chief US diplomat said in a conversation with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta.

“And we can’t be abruptly pulling back or pulling out when we know we face some long-term challenges about how we are going to cope with what the rise of China means,” she said in the conversation moderated by CNN television.

Experts said the deal to avert a US debt default should have little effect on the Pentagon’s huge budget in the short term, but leaves the door open to sharp cuts that could force a strategy overhaul.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-17 07:26:50

Hilary says: “Pave the Pacific with aircraft carriers”.

Why not, its not her money.

Comment by palmetto
2011-08-17 08:28:20

“we know we face some long-term challenges about how we are going to cope with what the rise of China means,”

Is is any wonder people feel such anger against Washington creeps like Hillary? Gee, now, exactly HOW did the rise of China come about? Gee, let’s get a commission to study that or something.

Even the average Joe Sixpack who can read (some can’t) can see the “made in China” label on the crap he buys. WE facilitated the rise of China. It doesn’t take aircraft carriers and such to reverse that. It’s very easily done by barring Chinese products from the US. By welching on the so-called “debt”. And other remedies. Far more peaceful.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 05:24:37

Imagine that a gubmint program bogged down in bureaucratic BS.

ITEM: Seattle’s ‘green jobs’ program a bust
By Vanessa Ho, Seattlepi.com Published: Aug 16, 2011

Last year, Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn announced the city had won a coveted $20 million federal grant to invest in weatherization. The unglamorous work of insulating crawl spaces and attics had emerged as a silver bullet in a bleak economy – able to create jobs and shrink carbon footprint – and the announcement came with great fanfare.

McGinn had joined Vice President Joe Biden in the White House to make it. It came on the eve of Earth Day. It had heady goals: creating 2,000 living-wage jobs in Seattle and retrofitting 2,000 homes in poorer neighborhoods.

But more than a year later, Seattle’s numbers are lackluster. As of last week, only three homes had been retrofitted and just 14 new jobs have emerged from the program. Many of the jobs are administrative, and not the entry-level pathways once dreamed of for low-income workers. Some people wonder if the original goals are now achievable.

“The jobs haven’t surfaced yet,” said Michael Woo, director of Got Green, a Seattle community organizing group focused on the environment and social justice.

“It’s been a very slow and tedious process. It’s almost painful, the number of meetings people have gone to. Those are the people who got jobs. There’s been no real investment for the broader public.”

‘Who’s got the money’

The buildings that have gotten financing so far include the Washington Athletic Club and a handful of hospitals, a trend that concerns community advocates who worry the program isn’t helping lower-income homeowners.

“Who’s benefitting from this program right now – it doesn’t square with what the aspiration was,” said Howard Greenwich, the policy director of Puget Sound Sage, an economic-justice group. He urged the city to revisit its social-equity goals.

“I think what it boils down to is who’s got the money.”

Organizers and policy experts blame the economy, bureaucracy and bad timing for the program’s mediocre results. Called Community Power Works, the program funds low-interest loans and incentives for buildings to do energy-efficient upgrades. They include hospitals, municipal buildings, big commercial structures and homes.

Half the funds are reserved for financing and engaging homeowners in Central and Southeast Seattle, a historically underserved area. Most of the jobs are expected to come from this sector.

But the timing of the award has led to hurdles in enticing homeowners to bite on retrofits. The city had applied for the grant at a time of eco-giddiness, when former Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels was out-greening all other politicians except for Al Gore. Retrofits glowed with promise to boost the economy, reduce consumer bills and lower greenhouse gas emissions.

“A triple win,” is how Biden characterized it.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-17 05:55:23

What a badly written article. It’s very easy to point the figure at the nebulous “beaurocracy” and scream that something “isn’t working” without being specific. What hurdles? What paperwork? Why did you need the meetings? Paperwork is the price you pay for government cheese.

Why is “who’s got the money” getting the upgrades and others aren’t? What is the money buying? Maybe it’s this: “Called Community Power Works, the program funds low-interest loans and incentives for buildings to do energy-efficient upgrades. ” That is, the progam is not a program for free stuff.

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-17 07:51:47

Reported yesterday that Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy Recovery Act projects created 29,000 jobs in Q2 2011:

www DOT fieldopsnews.com/published/00000001/1/11/

 
Comment by polly
2011-08-17 08:05:11

I have some friends who have a very low income. I’m not sure if they qualify as under the poverty level, but they are significantly lacking in cash. Guess what? They would never ever ever try to participate in a program like that. First of all, they don’t own the house they live in. Surprise. Second, they know better than to take on debt. Never do it. No credit card. Never had one. They are perfectly aware that the temptation would be to use it to say fix the car so they can get to work more efficiently. But they wouldn’t have any idea as to how long it would take to get the money to pay off the card, so they get to work however they can (including walking in heat that makes that much walking dangerous) and let the car remain broken until they can save up enough to get it fixed.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 09:07:33

Filed under: “life for some Americans who aren’t on track to a Wall$t. / MegaInc’$ job” ;-)

Oh, yet another fine example of: “Diz ALL the Gov’t$ fault!”

Home truths: “you think raising chickens is old school? Try living the pioneer life.”

Home & Garden / Sunset / August, 2010
by Caroline Patterson

“WE’VE BEEN USING THE WORD ‘HOMESTEAD’ as an adjective for a long time,” wrote Joanna Smetanka in her blog on April 30, 2010. “Whenever we do something really hard-core or over-the-top pioneerish, we say something like, ‘Damn, baby, that’s so homestead of you.’”

And what counts as hard-core? Her husband, Andy, smoking out a skunk near the chicken coop. Joanna using a chamber pot while nine months pregnant because of a finicky composting toilet. She didn’t bother mentioning tending 18 chickens. Or Andy digging out the caved-in root cellar. Or raising two preschoolers without modern plumbing. Or hauling groceries by sled a quarter-mile up the road when the road ices over.

That’s all part of the Smetankas’ job as caretakers of the Moon-Randolph Homestead, 13 hilly acres 3 miles from downtown Missoula. Or, as their agreement with the North Missoula Community Development Corporation phrases it, to “value the homestead as a cultural landscape where active stewardship co-exists with layers of human and natural history.” (The NMCDC manages the city-owned property, which was added to the National Register of Historic Places this past March.)

In exchange for living rent-free in a converted chicken coop, the Smetankas care for the land and livestock; maintain the buildings, including the original 1889 Moon cabin; coordinate a Maypole party and harvest festival; and greet visitors every summer Saturday, 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. And visitors do turn up, ranging from senior citizens to fourthgrade field-trippers. “Kids really get into the spirit,” says Andy. “The place speaks to them–the cool old buildings, the farm life. The biggest attraction is the pump.”

(Google the author to read more.)

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 11:33:47

Additional details:

North-Missoula Community Development
Corporation:

Neighborhood History:

As long-time neighborhood workers left in the 1960’s and 1970’s, their aging houses were bought cheaply and turned into rental properties. The School District closed the old Northside neighborhood school in 1985 to consolidate the neighborhood kids at the Westside Lowell Elementary. The Northside by that time was too politically disinvested to resist. In 1996, a Northside manufacturing firm announced it was moving 60 sewing jobs to China in order to stay competitive in its market. This announcement came just months after a Northside window and door manufacturer closed its already scaled back operation that had been a continuous neighborhood employer since before the turn of the century. At the same time that 80 jobs were lost, the neighborhood inherited its second state of Montana Superfund site.

The decline of the neighborhoods near the tracks created Missoula’s lowest rent district and affordable, if sometimes substandard, housing was usually available there. In the 1990’s this situation changed as well. Responding to a region wide speculative land boom, housing prices across Missoula doubled in a decade. In the NMCDC service area rents and housing prices have more than quadrupled in little more than a decade - escalating at this even higher rate as more and more competition developed for low-end housing. At the same time, relatively good jobs in extractive and manufacturing industries declined — to be replaced by low paying jobs in the new service economy.

Despite the recipe for disaster chronicled above, there is a new breath of optimism in the historic neighborhoods. For the first time in decades realtors are reporting that young potential home buyers are interested in locating in the area. This is not just because the relatively lower cost houses are sometimes still found there but also because there is a sense of renewed vitality and community caring that is becoming more and more palpable. The NMCDC now faces the challenge of trying to preserve home ownership opportunities for people who earn what the local economy provides. There is a growing gap. The NMCDC wants not only to foster neighborhood revitalization but also to recreate the neighborhoods as the secure working class bastions they once were.

 
Comment by Montana
2011-08-17 19:03:02

Oh, piffle. NMCDC built a lot of “workforce housing” condos on trust land, and can’t give ‘em away. The train and Interstate noise and continual *crime* makes the whole area pretty undesirable…new arrivals get out as soon as they can.

Makes me sad to say it, because the Westside was my old nabe for many years.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 08:48:48

“I think what it boils down to is who’s got the money.”

$ounds like a rallying call for the “TrueAnger’$™”, to side step “Linda-the-Lunch-Lady-Lives-Lavi$hly” and release their “$hared-pain” tax anger$ on the real masked perpetrator$ $peeding away in the get-away $edan: The “$uffering $o’s”, aka, “TrueMegaIncWealthie’$™”

“Someone put out a ACME Inc. tax $pike $trip!” ;-)

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 09:16:07

The buildings that have gotten financing so far include the Washington Athletic Club and a handful of hospitals, a trend that concerns community advocates who worry the program isn’t helping lower-income homeowners.

I volunteered in a Tucson program that did help low-income homeowners.

However, I don’t think this program’s around anymore. It seems to have vanished in recent months. (Truth be told, the guy who was running it is widely known to be a flake. And, through this program, he more than lived up to that reputation.)

Last summer, I remember volunteering at a lady’s house a few miles north of here. House was a dump outside, filthy inside, and it was crammed full of stuff. The lady was living by herself with numerous ill-tended pets.

I couldn’t help thinking that she would have been a lot better off in some sort of group setting where she could interact with other people. She was much too socially isolated.

But ending the isolation would have meant that she would have had to give up the house. Not the end of the world, IMHO.

In short, some of these low-income home owner folks would be better off in other living situations.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 10:53:40

Sounds like she might be a hoarder. Nothing motivates me to clean my house more than watching one of those hoarder shows. And I get motivation to lose weight by watching a morbidly obese show.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-17 11:38:04

Are there actually morbid obesity shows?

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Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-17 13:49:33

Sometimes, on a Saturday, I’ll cook a huge breakfast, eat it while watching the Biggest Loser on Hulu and then bike 40-60 miles. It’s so twisted, I know, I know!

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 15:00:56

Yes - shows like the 1000 pound man or the 625 pound woman.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 15:05:50

And shows about obesity surgery. And Richard Simmons visiting a clinic for the morbidly obese. And teenagers who are morbidly obese. Some of those are really sad, with the twisted family dynamics.

I usually work out while I watch them, so I totally understand Mr. Bubbles bike rides. Fear tactics - they are what I do not want to become.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 14:12:53

Sounds like she might be a hoarder. Nothing motivates me to clean my house more than watching one of those hoarder shows. And I get motivation to lose weight by watching a morbidly obese show.

She very much appeared to be a hoarder.

And, to a hoarder, nothing’s worse than having to move. Because that means paring down the stuff inventory. Which they find to be very traumatic.

So, getting her out of that house, even though it’s far from an optimal living situation, will be difficult.

And, to add insult to injury, her neighborhood is going to pot around her. Used to be a respectable working class area, but now it’s going ghetto. (I know the area well because I used to live a few blocks away.)

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 15:15:27

Moving is hard enough. I imagine it is even harder for those whose security is tied to the stuff they own.

And I can understand how a low income person would become a hoarder. You might not be able to afford new stuff, but could spend a couple of bucks a week picking up things at garage sales. Or dumpster diving to acquire new things. You might see something that you could give as a gift and then lose it before the occasion.

Some of the folks on the shows feel that they are fighting waste. They intend to save stuff from landfills and recycle it to folks in need, but end up not giving away enough stuff.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2011-08-17 05:28:59

If anyone had any doubt that TARP restrictions are toothless, check out one Mr Campanelli. SERP payments, the simple work around for looting taxpayer dollars….

That’s repulsive. Getting 8.4 million dollars for running an underperforming bank? How can I get that sweetheart deal? And people wonder why there’s no confidence in Wall Street? Eventually it’ll poll lower than Congress, if that’s possible. Sovereign Bancorp Inc. CEO Joseph P. Campanelli stands to pocket at least $8.4 million from a golden parachute that rewards him with two years’ salary, bonus pay and an enhanced retirement plan, U.S. regulatory filings show. . As CEO, Campanelli’s base salary in 2007 was $826,923, plus he received a $1.25 million stay-on bonus, which was not tied to performance.

Rick Green of courant says, “Don’t worry, welfare for bankers won’t end” Just as everyone is telling us it’s the right thing to do to bail out Wall Street, comes news that the ousted CEO of Sovereign Bank is walking out the door this week pushing a wheelbarrow full of money

http://ceoworld.biz/ceo/2008/10/02/sovereign-bancorp-joseph-p-campanelli%E2%80%99s-repulsive-84m-parachute

Retired Citizens Republic Bancorp CEO to draw $6.9-million payout

While some have questioned paying the retirement money to Hartman while the company is receiving TARP money, there is nothing under current TARP law that would prohibit a retired executive from receiving a SERP payout, said Alan Levine, an attorney partner in the executive compensation practice at Morrison Cohen law firm in New York City.

“There’s no restrictions,” Levine said, adding things could be different if an executive was fired and the company was receiving TARP funding.”

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/03/hartman.html

As losses accelerate at Flagstar so do “supplemental” pension payments to Mr. Campanelli. Nearly four million in 2010…nice

From the 2011 Flagstar def14a:

 The SERP provides a lump sum payment equal to the actuarial equivalent of an accrued annual benefit payable for 23 years. The annual benefit is the sum of monthly accruals of 1.022% of Mr. Campanelli’s eligible compensation, for a maximum of 60 months provided Mr. Campanelli is employed by us on the date of each such monthly accrual. Eligible compensation includes base salary and share salary. The accrued annual benefit equals the annual benefit less any other retirement benefits provided and funded by us, as well as 50% of the benefits to which Mr. Campanelli is entitled from Social Security. As of December 31, 2010, the aggregate of the monthly accruals with respect to the SERP was $406,245 and the actuarial equivalent of the lump sum payment of such amount for 23 years was $4,752,587. The amount accrued with respect to the supplemental retirement pension, assuming a discount rate of 4.25%, in 2010 was $3,822,124 and, in total, $4,752,587 has been accrued since Mr. Campanelli joined us in 2009.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 10:55:29

He sure makes the union retirees look like pikers.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 05:32:15

Won’t be long before the QE-3 casts off her dock lines and sails off on another “stimulus” voyage, once she runs out of fuel we’ll tow her back in for a re-fueling. Ain’t unlimited printing great!

ITEM: President Weighs Asking Panel for Stimulus Measures
BY CAROL E. LEE AND JANET HOOK - WSJ

President Barack Obama is considering recommending that lawmakers on a deficit committee back new measures to stimulate the lagging economy, people familiar with White House discussions said Tuesday.

The plan Mr. Obama is considering also would recommend the congressional committee come up with a package that reduces the federal budget deficit by much more that its mandate of $1.5 trillion over the next decade, a senior administration official said, through changes in the tax code and social safety-net programs.

“There’s no reason to stop at $1.5 trillion,” the official said.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-17 07:02:36

Armageddon is a relative bargain.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 11:14:01

If you expect to survive it.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-17 08:39:52

All savings should be postponed until the next generation is born.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-17 09:08:28

China just announced they won’t be joining in next global stimulus party. Japan had to engage in it post Fukushima so who knows what their options are for future stimulus. Europe? Bwa ha hahahaha. Saw that the German economy is barely limping along, they’ll probably be going into their own recession w/in months, and they’re having their own little prol control issues. Of course, there is also the looming French downgrade.

Can the US do all the heavy lifting by itself on the next round when the first stimulus was kind of a worldwide central banker kumbaya and that only gained us the bare minimum of expansion?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 05:34:17

Hey California, just raise taxes and fees, problem solved.

ITEM: California July Revenue Missed Budget Forecast by 9.2%, State Agency Says. (Bloomberg)

California revenue fell short of budget estimates by $541 million or 9.2 percent last month, the first of the 2012 fiscal year, the state Finance Department reported.

The data was in line with figures from Controller John Chiang, who said Aug. 9 that cash receipts for the month missed the forecast by $538.8 million. Chiang said the miss may mean further budget cuts are needed for fiscal 2012.

Of the $541 million shortfall in the Finance Department calculation, $166 million was likely due mostly “to the timing of deposits,” according to the Finance Department bulletin. The amount included receipts from tribal gaming and regulatory fees.

Chiang, a Democrat, warned of “drastic” cuts to universities, home health care and social programs if the trend continued. A series of “triggers” written into the most- populous state’s $86 billion general-fund budget would cut spending in those areas as well as libraries if revenue falls $1 billion short of plan. A $2 billion gap would mean a seven-day cut in the school year and an end to busing subsidies.

New forecasts for revenue in the current spending plan will be drawn up in November and December “based on the economic and cash data available at those times,” H.D. Palmer, a Finance Department spokesman, said by e-mail. The new forecasts “will determine whether the ‘trigger’ budget reductions will be implemented.”

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 09:31:59

wmbz-

The beautiful thing as a Californian is after the last election, the following laws were passed:

1. Anti-Jerrymandering (bipartisan panel redraws district lines based on Census data, not the party in power); this may not work to Republican’s advantage, but at least it’s a more independent method;
2. State legislators can pass a budget with a simple majority, deadlock because the Democrats couldn’t get a few Republican’s to agree;
3. If state legislators don’t pass a budget, they don’t get paid (Democrats get to own the budget);
4. AND if you want to raise taxes OR fees…you need a 2/3 majority.

So, what you saw this year was CA out of the news about not passing a budget. You saw CA leave taxes the same. You saw a previous “temporary” increase in sales tax ACTUALLY STAY TEMPORARY (shocking), and has gone away as of July 1st. Regardless of whether you thought the budget was aggressively projecting receipts or not, the solution in the budget was not increasing taxes, but cutting spending.

So, you’ll see cutting spending to make up the difference…not tax increases.

I’ve updated the scoreboard in my head:

People of California: 1
Government of California: 453,692

It’s nice to get a point on the board.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 11:38:41

:-)

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-17 05:38:23

Freddie Mac hopes to lure condo buyers with $1,500 in association dues

by Kim Miller
Palm Beach Post

Freddie Mac owned condo in Delray Beach for sale with a list price of $12,000

Federal mortgage giant Freddie Mac is offering $1,500 in homeowners association dues to anyone buying a repossessed condominium from its HomeSteps program.

The program, called “Condo Cash”, is limited to buyers who submit offers between August 15 and Nov. 15, and close the sale on or before Dec. 30. It is also valid only on condominiums that have been on the market for at least 120 days.

A two-year Home Protect limited home warranty that covers electrical, plumbing, air conditioning, heating and other major systems and appliances if offered on some eligible HomeSteps homes. Home Protect also provides discounts of up to 30 percent on the purchase of appliances

Comment by Hard Rain
2011-08-17 05:48:35

The bulldozer solution is looking more taxpayer beneficial by the day .

Comment by Neuromance
2011-08-17 07:12:08

After the very first bailout of housing, and the various outrageous trial balloons being floated after that, I realized that nothing was beyond the FIRE sector’s reach.

Sustained 4% mortgage rates, which I heard they wanted on DC news radio? Not a chance I thought. And here we are.

Bailout after bailout of the big financial companies? Check.

Little real reform after vast sums pumped from the taxpayer to the FIRE sector? Check.

I thought then, just from a practical perspective that, if the government owned most of the mortgages, that the government would be reluctant to foreclose because it would hurt politicians. Politicians like to spend money, as it buys them votes. It would look bad if they were foreclosing on homes.

Another thought I had was that it may well be that the FIRE sector would rather have the homes bulldozed rather than sell them at pre-bubble prices. If this course of action suits the FIRE sector’s bottom line, it’ll happen.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-17 11:44:40

Given the bailouts of AIG reinsurance, it probably will. Letting the house fall down to collect the insurance — it’s like arson in super slo-mo. Meanwhile, it wouldn’t surprise me if they invest in rental properties and take advantage of the resulting jacked up rents.

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-17 06:59:29

What is the difference between this program and Cash-for-Clunkers? They are using taxpayer money to inflate prices.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 05:49:27

On Shaky Financial Ground? 3 Reasons Why Loan Modifications Won’t Solve Your Problems | FoxNews.com August 16, 2011

Editor’s note: This is the second of a four part series on “Shattered Dreams” by attorney and Fox News Legal Analyst Bob Massi.

Let’s assume you live in one of the geographical areas hardest hit by the home mortgage crisis. The economic boom that your lender assured you would continue to boost the value of your home has turned into an economic bust and the house you extended yourself to buy—because it would be such a great investment—is now your biggest risk for financial ruin.

You feel like you are trapped, throwing good money after bad every time you make a payment.

Maybe you can’t even make the payments. Circumstances have turned against you and you’ve lost your job, or maxed out your credit, or have been forced to take a job at reduced pay. Whatever the reason, you can’t afford your mortgage payments and you are desperate for a solution.

The banks and the federal government would like you to believe that a simple modification to your mortgage loan is all it will take to put you back on the path to financial stability. Here’s why you shouldn’t believe them:

1. To qualify for a loan modification, you need to jeopardize your credit rating. In order for a lender to see you as enough of a risk to offer loan modification, you need to be at least 90 days behind in default of your monthly payments. Being 90 days late can drop your FICO score by over 100 points. The lowered credit score can negatively impact your ability to refinance the loan or to rent in the future.

2. If you qualify after a financial review, you still have to make regular payments during the bank’s “trial period.” If this isn’t a scam, I don’t know what is.

Assuming, after submitting extensive financial documentation, your bank approves you for a loan modification trial period, they ask you to make three months of payments while the modification is prepared.

Once you’ve made the three months of (full) payments, you’ll receive a letter from the bank saying that since you have been able to make fully payments they will need to review your application for relief – and please make three more months of payments. At the end of six months of making full payments, the bank will say that based on your ability to pay over the past six months, you no longer qualify for a loan modification!

3. Loan modifications don’t solve the bigger problem. Even if you qualify for, and receive a loan modification, you are still paying on a house that is worth less than you owe on it. Loan modifications do not reduce the principle amount due on the mortgage. –They merely provide relief on the amount of interest due.

So, if you owe $200,000 in principle, that is still how much you must pay back–even if your house is now only worth $120,000. No wonder 70% of loan modifications fail!

If you are adamant that you must keep your home–no matter what–then a loan modification is your first option. Plan to endure a lot of frustration and shame while dealing with your lender who will make the process as long and drawn out as possible.

Plan to have days when you honestly resent living in the home that has forced you into this position.

And be sure your financial picture is improving over time, because whatever extra savings you hope to gain in the short term with a loan modification will be used up on the back end, when the difference gets tacked back on to the end of the loan.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-08-17 06:55:44

That sounds hard. Walking is easier, and people nowadays like easy solutions.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 09:18:38

That sounds hard. Walking is easier, and people nowadays like easy solutions.

Which is why the walk-away solution is becoming more prevalent.

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 11:58:55

The new modifications that seem to be gaining traction make a hell of a lot more sense. Ocwen Financial (one of national’s largest subprime servicers) is rolling out a principal reduction program:

1. Borrower agrees to make payments for the next three years;
2. Lender writes down principal balance to 90-95% of today’s market value, 1/3 per year;
3. Lender gets 25% of the upside from today’s market value when the home is sold.

If you actually liked your home and wanted to live there, the principal reduction plan seems quite attractive. Compared to walking away, you keep your credit, don’t need to move, and get to keep 75% of the upside you would get anyway if you were able to purchase another home at this time.

I guess that’s why they’ve had ~85% of underwater borrowers say “yes” to the offer, and have had a very low re-default rate.

My understanding is that other lenders are starting similar programs…we’ll see if they make a difference.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-17 13:25:15

Wait, WHO is making these offers? Say BoA sold that loan to Fannie Mae, but BoA services it. Does BoA have the right to cram down without Fannie Mae’s permission?

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 13:37:42

That is unclear to me–I’m sure it depends on what the servicing agreement says, and also depends on the status of the note (in default or current). I suspect why it has taken so long to implement such a program is that they needed to get approval from the ultimate note holders.

They probably had ample evidence of homes being sold for 20% less than comps on the courthouse steps and made the logical financial argument to the stakeholders. If you were a lender, what would you rather take…(with $x as market value) 80% of $x now, or 100% of $x, plus interest, plus a share of appreciation later. If the debt holders are logical, they would take the principal reduction route. If the borrowers are logical, they would take the principal reduction route.

Your BofA comment is also apt, I believe there is the start of a program with some BofA servicing (with some $ from the Treasury) in the same direction.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-17 05:53:51

Did you know?

Did you know “it’s different” in California? There are a couple lying realtor apologists here and they say so. According to them, materials prices in California are double digits higher than any other state in the country… even NY.

California’s “different” because our own little blog Housing Crime Syndicate says so.

Comment by rms
2011-08-17 07:32:08

Not sure about building materials prices.

In San Luis Obispo, CA a “building permit” for a 3br/2ba spec home cost more than I paid for my entire 3br/2ba home and property in Ephrata, WA.

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 10:12:03

Nope. Hard construction costs in CA for production builders are generally in the low $40’s to low $50’s per foot, depending on what you are building (maybe even high $30’s–rumored, but I’ve yet to see someone build for that cost). I’ve seen no evidence of materials costs being any higher than they would be elsewhere.

What kills you here is:

Land cost
Cost to entitle the land (including dealing with Williamson Act if applicable)
Higher fuel prices than other states if you are doing any significant grading work
City Fees
Required architectural features required by various local government cabals that like to get their hands in everything (which drive up construction costs)
Special onsite improvements required by the special interests (walking trails, bike trails, open space, etc.), which increases onsite as well as land costs
Offsite costs required by the various municipalities
Other city/state requirements (union labor if you are using any bonds, dust control measures in certain parts of the state, water runoff regulations that impact site costs, TUMF fees, etc.)

Many of these costs may be applicable elsewhere, but I doubt all of them…they add up quickly.

Until you have gone through the entitlement process, and budgeted a subdivision in California based on that approval, you don’t have a good sense of what it costs to deliver a new home here.

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 10:42:12

By the way, if phrases like “TUMF fees” and “Williamson Act” are new to you, you should also look up the requirements for various WQMPs (Water Quality Management Programs) in California….welcome to California. Again, some of these types of things are elsewhere, but there are few that are elsewhere but not here.

TUMF Fees alone can approach $10k per home…

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Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 11:05:56

And for fun…Here is a link to the Riverside County WQMP program (applicable for any subdivision of 10 units of more in addition to other development):

http://www.floodcontrol.co.riverside.ca.us/downloads/NPDES/APP-O-RC-WQMP.pdf

We had a commercial project get hit with this when it first came out…added a bunch of site costs because needed to include on-site water retention to a much greater degree than was previously required.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-08-17 14:35:55

I wish where I live they had such tight water quality requirements as these, which boil down to “don’t build giant concrete parking lots”.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 15:00:53

@The Overdog

The requirements will likely prove to be great a couple of decades into the future, but it costs more money in terms of sitework (water retention basins and drainage improvements, etc.).

Like most consumables in life…if you can stomach the higher costs, you’ll probably like the higher quality.

It just adds another cost to development.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Montana
2011-08-17 06:00:06

OT - I’m used to a buy premium for PM, but a sell premium? is this normal? had to walk out of the shop over that one.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2011-08-17 06:13:02

Maybe it’s the new normal. The market makers want their vig on both sides of the trade.

 
 
Comment by newt
2011-08-17 06:01:32

I’ve recently noticed a large amount of new listings on Trulia ascribed to GOVLISTEDdotcom. There’s very little infromation about the properties, and they all have the following statement, “This is a notice of trustee sale property and will go through an auction process.” I follow markets in a number of different states and they all have these entries. They seem to have appeared just in the past week. Anyone else notice them? Have any ideas what it means, or how large dumps of foreclosure like this might affect the local markets?

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-17 06:21:26

It’s just another listing service, by a company called The Victory Financial Group LLC/RealTec LLC. Read the fine print at the bottom of their home page.

http://www.govlisted.com

Comment by newt
2011-08-17 07:06:46

Hmm, more deception from a real estate company? What a surprise! Still, wonder why the sudden appearance? Normally, there are less than half as many foreclosure listings on Trulia for the markets I look at.

 
 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-08-17 07:05:01

A broken debt-generation system led to the skyrocketing of housing prices. It allowed people to take out loans on ever larger sums of money with ever less downpayment.

This led to the avalanche of bad loans, which led to the global financial crisis.

Geithner has on multiple occasions stated it is the policy of the government to prop up housing prices.

How do they do this then?

1) Continue the broken debt generation system (FHA 3.5% down anyone? etc, etc)

2) Limit the inventory

3) Other?

 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-08-17 07:06:30

Regulations are like the immune system. If the immune system is turned up too high, you get autoimmune diseases. If it’s too low, you get external diseases. There needs to be a balance for optimal health.

The same goes for regulation. Too little = Somalia. Too much = Soviet Union. We need a balance for optimal societal health.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-17 07:07:54

Newsflash-

Mrs. RAL just rang. Stated she got talking with a realt-liar at the store this morning and said realt-liar started having a meltdown about her oppressive mortgage payment. Mrs. RAL encouraged her to walk away and realtliar said “I’ve been thinking about it and was just waiting for someone to encourage me”.

Score one for us.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-17 07:25:08

Her walking away means more burden on taxpayers (to make Fannie whole), which means more tax pressure on your wife’s “store”, which makes RAL more bitter than today (if that is even possible). Score one for Socialism.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-17 08:07:29

Yes…. rah rah for one of your boogeymen.

Walk away. EVERYONE WALK.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-17 09:29:25

Her walking away means more burden on taxpayers (to make Fannie whole), which means more tax pressure on your wife’s “store”, … Score one for Socialism.

Socialism? How does the above relate to socialism? Anyone? What ownership or control of the means of production, capital or land is distributed to the community as a whole?

Socialism definition: –noun
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
dictionary dot com

 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-17 07:35:02

RAL
A real… aired her financial dirty laundry to a stranger, Mrs. RAL? Yeah, us women are “communicators”, but that’s a sad commentary.

I told a few General Contractors/Home Inspectors we’re paying cash, and boy did their prices reflect greed. Only one tested honest. I’m lining up the buyer’s services on my own.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-17 08:10:46

Awaiting….

Mrs RAL can sell snowballs to eskimos but she’s genuine and does have a compassion streak.

Speaking of selling to suckers… back a few weeks ago you said you were developing a post regarding Realt-Liar psy-ops. Any progress?

Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-17 12:11:22

RAL
I posted the links last week. I’m sorry you missed them. I’ll try and find them and repost.

Your wife sounds like me, but my problem is that I reciprocate information. My husband tells me to put a sock in it.

Like the Open House this weekend. Oh boy, was he pissed, I disclosed we’re cash. He almost blew a head gasket. He doesn’t want the local realturds to know we’re a cash & close. I tell him all the time, “We’re not giving it away.” I works both ways, dear sellers.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-17 15:51:16

You just described us to a tee.

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-17 08:35:00

Did they understand you meant Federal Reserve Note cash? That’s scored us some discounts in the past.

I told a few General Contractors/Home Inspectors we’re paying cash, and boy did their prices reflect greed.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-17 12:05:38

How did you test them for honesty?

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-17 08:52:33

I figured there’d be more of a few necessary housing downgrades for that profession. If only they’d been honest w/themselves about what was going on they’d have gotten out while there was still opportunity.

This morning I listened to a young co-worker talking how her friend bought this new house in PA. She said she was shocked when she saw it because it was in such horrible shape they couldn’t even use the kitchen and had to eat out. She said it was like he didn’t understand at all how much money it was going to take to bring the thing up to livable standards and right now the 2 guys were only living out a single room in the house that they’d already worked on.

The home had just been purchased earlier in the year and he was already complaining about his oppressive mortgage.

“Oppressive mortgage”, I said. “How bad could it be on a house in that bad a shape?” What does this guy do for work?”

“I think they’re combined is about $85k. One is a hairdresser and the other one works in finance.” (They’re young. Probably just out of school)

“Well you’d think w/ $85k income they could pick up more than a deteriorating fixer in the far flung back pathways of PA.”

Then she laughed and said, You should see how these people live. They’re already talking about picking up another house on the coast”

Maybe it’s the upbringing. The mother of the finance guy had a day job in pharmaceuticals and flipped houses on the side.

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-08-17 17:08:59

“Mrs. RAL encouraged her to walk away …”

Wrong advice. Mrs. RAL should have told her to hang in there, no matter what the cost. She should have told the realtor to do whatever she needs to do to make her mortgage payments. If this includes such things as pole dancing then so be it.

Real estate prices are at the lowest prices they have been for years - which means the bottom MUST be near. Those in the past who plunged in bought the dips have profited immensly because, as history has shown, real estate prices always go up.

RE prices MUST GO UP because:

They are not making any more land

The population continues to expand

Interest rates at near historic lows

Sales volume is destined to explode because down payment requirements are about to be raised and thus the buy-now-or-be-priced-out-forever folks will flood into the market while they can and cause a land rush. And this land rush is destined to bring to the world higher - much, much higher - real estate prices.

It’s a lock. It’s in the bag. It’s a sure thing.

I know your screen is “Realtors Are Liars” and all but I think you are being unnecessairly cruel by allowing this realtor to get such bad advice from Mrs. RAL.

Please consider contacting this realtor and spend as much time and energy as necessary to change her mind.

It’s the right thing to do.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-08-17 18:51:52

Awesome, combo! :-)

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 07:15:22

Got stagflation?

U.S. ECONOMY
PPI hints at hotter inflation

Producer prices up 0.2% in July, with the core PPI rate increasing 0.4% — both higher than forecast.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-17 07:33:05

iPhones are getting cheaper. Are they nutritious?

Comment by butters
2011-08-17 16:19:13

No but there’s an app for that.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-17 07:37:45

And this is the official inflation, not the “mirage inflation” we see at the grocery store or the gas pump, which we are told is really deflation (as if it makes any difference to J6P’s purchasing power).

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-08-17 08:15:44

If one would want to engineer a better depression one would probably first look to obliterate citizens’ purchasing power.

Stagnant real wages - check
Moribound job scene - check
Minimal yields on savings - check
Higher priced necessities - check
Artifically high housing costs - check
Soaring utilities - check

Yeah, just add in the relentless passage time and see what happens.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 08:53:32

Hwy is eagerly awaiting flash-phone peon-worker wage inflation strike$ assault$ on MegaInc.’s! ;-)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 07:18:37

This guy was Fuld of it.

Aug. 17, 2011, 9:53 a.m. EDT
Taking it to the shorts, again
Commentary: Europeans try to instill confidence through regulation
By Al Lewis

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Some believe that in times of crisis, little angels come down from heaven to rescue the few who would only try to hear them.

These mysterious beings are called shorts.

You might conclude that shorts are indeed of celestial origin when you consider the people who revile them the most: bankers, CEOs, beholden politicians and delusional investors caught unaware in a financial calamity that has so obviously been brewing for years.

“When I find a short seller, I want to tear his heart out and eat it before his eyes while he’s still alive,” is what one Wall Street chieftain said in 2008. You may remember him. You may not. His name was Richard Fuld. He was CEO of what used to be called … um, Lehman Brothers.

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-17 08:07:03

This pig deserves the same justice that Nicolae Ceausescu received. And Marie Antoinette didn’t get it either…

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 08:05:13

Transit Agencies in U.S. Plan Higher Fares, Less Service
(Bloomberg)- Aug 17, 2011

More than half of U.S. public transit agencies may increase fares or trim service this year amid budget shortfalls and a threatened loss of federal funding, according to a study.

Officials at 56 percent of 117 agencies surveyed in March said they were considering cost savings, according to the report released today by the American Public Transportation Association, a Washington-based trade group for transit providers. One in four agencies contemplated a combination of both measures, the study found.

“The overarching trend points toward a public that wants more public transportation,” Art Guzzetti, the group’s vice president of policy, said in a telephone interview. “What’s on hold is public investment.”

Transit agencies have already reduced staff and benefits as they reeled from post-recession revenue declines. Fifty-one percent of agencies said they’d already increased fares or reduced service this year, according to the study by the group, which has 1,500 members serving more than 90 percent of riders in the U.S. and Canada.

Since 2008, the Orange County Transportation Authority in Orange, California, has reduced service 20 percent while raising fares by the same amount, said Joel Zlotnik, a spokesman. The operator of buses and a commuter-rail system lost $40 million in state funding during the time, he said.

This month, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey proposed toll increases for bridges and tunnels that would boost the cost to enter Manhattan to as much as $17. Rides on its PATH trains under the Hudson River would increase $1 to $2.75. Board members will vote on the plan this week.
Soaking the Straphanger

“It’s not fair to ask people already hit hard to pay more,” said Michele Markowitz, a 21-year-old college student who lives in Manhattan and rides the Metropolitan Transit Authority’s subway every day.

“We’re told to ‘go green’ and take mass transit, but it’s becoming too expensive to do so,” said Markowitz, who was having a beer at the Subway Inn on 60th Street with her boyfriend.

Thirty-five percent of the agencies projected budget gaps in the coming fiscal year totaling more than $600 million, the study said. Officials cited a dearth of local and state funding and rising fuel costs as the biggest stresses to operating budgets even as ridership is projected to grow.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-17 08:51:00

“It’s not fair to ask people already hit hard to pay more,” said Michele Markowitz, a 21-year-old college student who lives in Manhattan and rides the Metropolitan Transit Authority’s subway every day.”

Hey Michelle, starting in 1995 the MTA drastically reduced the fare by adding a host of discounts. With unlimited ride cards, free transfers, and 11 rides for the price of 10 discounts, the average fare fell from $1.50 to $1.00 — and is still below where it was, adjusted for inflation.

How did those hero politicians pull it off? Buy borrowing! The MTA is now $billions in debt. Now those who supported those politicians are dying out and moving to Florida. And you get soaring fares and service cuts to pay for the debts.

Hey Michelle, it isn’t just the MTA. It’s EVERYTHING! Stop drinking that beer; you can’t afford it.

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-17 09:07:07

Someone has to pay for $100,000+/year toll collectors and their pensions.

Hope and change y’all…

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-17 13:48:47

Proof? Link? I thought not.

Because after a working life spent underground they deserve to retire on $275/month eating catfood and cutting their pills in half, right?

Comment by 2banana
2011-08-17 14:31:47

Proof? Link? I thought not.

New Jersey Turnpike Accepts Toll-Collector Concessions to Avoid Firings

Bloomberg.com

New Jersey received four bids from private firms seeking to replace toll collectors, who cost the state an average of $100,000 a year in salary and benefits, Transportation Commissioner James Simpson told lawmakers earlier this month.

It is GOOD to be a rude public union goon…

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Comment by Max Power
2011-08-17 14:47:19

There’s a heck of a lot of ground between $100k a year and $275 a month…

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Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 09:02:49

Cool, so the Germans will gain control of Europe after all. In just a little different fashion!

ITEM: French, German Leaders Urge Elected Eurozone Chief- AP

The leaders of France and Germany said Wednesday that they want the heads of the euro-zone countries to elect the president of a new “economic government” who would direct regular summits to respond to the continent’s financial crisis.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-17 13:13:01

If you can’t beat em, buy em.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-17 09:58:26

S&P Rating agency at it again. What are the names associated w/oking these statements I have to wonder. They basically downgraded future growth predictions for US and made a swipe at the Fed for suggesting the weak first half of 2011 was “transitory”. They also made a statement that this situation would be much more severe than 2008.

From the S&P statement: “The markets’ violent swings in early August resurrected fears of the market meltdown, such as the one in 2008 when Lehman Brothers went under and Reserve Fund broke the buck. Currently, the crisis is considered to be much more severe, with U.S. sovereign debt at risk of default. The low Treasury yields indicated that markets were expecting Congress to come to its senses and reach a deal. However, the wait and the last-minute deal, which left a lot to be desired, only increased worries that the government will do more harm than good. Confidence in the recovery and in U.S. policymaking has hit new lows. After U.S. sovereign debt lost its triple-A status and financial markets unwound, consumer confidence hit a 31-year low and manufacturing sentiment readings contracted.”

Looking for a link I can get through the censors but I am having trouble downloading certain pages this week: Marketwatch, Bloomberg, indexq.org. I thought it was Time Warner issues but is anyone else having this trouble? Will follow up as different sites start linking to this.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-17 10:04:35

Hardball—-

Is this legal? Don’t know much about union law since no one in my family has ever belonged to one.

Verizon Communications Inc. (VZ) told 45,000 striking workers that it will suspend certain benefits at the end of the month if they haven’t returned to their jobs, a move that a union official called a “scare” tactic.

Workers at two unions that have called strikes will lose basic health-insurance, dental, vision and prescription-drug benefits, said Richard Young, a spokesman for the New York-based telephone company. Verizon stopped funding the workers’ pensions when their former contract expired Aug. 6.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-17/verizon-tells-striking-workers-it-plans-to-suspend-benefits.html

Comment by 2banana
2011-08-17 10:42:11

Is this legal? Don’t know much about union law since no one in my family has ever belonged to one.

You want it to be a law so if someone goes on strike they continue to get 100% free medical coverage?

And yes - these union Verizon workers that are on strike do not pay one dime towards their health care.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 12:39:59

You really do hate all unions, don’t you.

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-17 13:53:13

2banana is on the Koch brothers’ payroll. His dream for this country is for all workers to live like in Upton Sinclair’s ‘The Jungle’

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Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-17 14:23:42

‘The Jungle’

ISTR a scene where parts of fingers were falling into pickle jars, so caustic was the working environment.

 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-17 14:18:01

Do you even hate this union?

SELECT E_Name FROM FatCats_USA
UNION
SELECT E_Name FROM Employees_USA

Is it all the vowels?

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 22:03:39

LOL!

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-17 13:14:27

Well if the contract expired on August 6, then there is no contract to break, so I guess it’s legal…

The union beef is that the company is asking them to pay more for their insurance even though company profits are just fine. Verizon isn’t struggling, they just aren’t making enough profit to appease the Bottomless Stockholder Maw.

I can’t say I blame the unions here.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-17 13:21:54

Pretty sure the workers don’t get paid wages or salary while on strike. Keeping the benefits up for the first month was a gift.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 10:05:46

I see team Barry went to Canada to get those fancy $1.2 million dollar buses built by Provost. To bad we don’t have any manufactures here in the U.S. capable of building a bus for a 3 day tour. Of course when you have to have the rock-stars choice you have to go north of our boarder.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 11:26:10

lil’ Opie ought to get “TrueAngry™” and cancel ALL American trade$ with those evil Canadian “Bidne$$” enterprises. ;-)

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 12:11:23

You know it really doesn’t take that long to dig underneath the Republican talking points.

“The U.S. Secret Service said it purchased the vehicle from Hemphill Brothers Coach Co., which is based in Nashville, Tenn.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-tour-bus-made-america/story?id=14324892

I suspect the President’s bus has a bit more in the way of security enhancements than your ordinary bus.

The Republican nominee will get one just like it.

“The bus–and there is another one like it that will eventually be used by the Republican presidential nominee–has been in the works for years.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44177859

“Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan emphasized that the bus wasn’t purchased solely for the president and would be used for other dignitaries in the future. He said the agency has not previously had buses in its fleet and was overdue to get some since it’s had to protect politicians traveling by bus for decades.

In the past, the service has had to lease buses and retrofit them for that purpose.”

http://www.newsoxy.com/politics/obamas-1-1-million-bus-29190.html

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 13:41:20

it really doesn’t take that long to dig underneath the Repubican talking points Zealot Propaganda. ;-)

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 18:24:20

The Republicans would prefer he stay holed up in Washington D.C. so they have free rein to pander to the rest of the country. Then they can complain about how out of touch he is.

It really doesn’t matter what Obama does or how he does it, they will find a way to spin it against him. That is their sole purpose, according to McConnell.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-17 10:31:51

Uh oh…dive for the bunkers. I think this is a sign of hell freezing over or Armageddon or something equally frightening:

Lawrence Yun, chief economist at the National Association of Realtors, told a meeting of the National Conference of State Legislatures last week that he has increased the probability of another recession from 10 percent three months ago to 30 percent today. A recent USA Today survey of 39 economists reached the same conclusion. A reason for the pessimistic forecast, Yun said, is “all the weapons to fight the economic downturn have already been used.”

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=594199

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-17 12:45:04

Yun said, is “all the weapons to fight the economic downturn have already been used.”

Except one.

The cure for bad business decisions is failure.

The cure for a depression is to have a depression.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-17 13:28:14

What’s the cure for greed?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 13:37:45

taxe$

“Run Hwy, run…!!” ;-)

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-17 13:41:25

Death?

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-17 13:46:02

What’s the cure for greed?

There is no cure for greed IMO. There are only ways to moderate its damage which include:

Progressive taxation, trust-busting, public campaign financing and balanced business/economic regulation that is not skewed in favor of one certain class or business size.

…or sometimes a swift kick in the b@(($

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-17 11:23:22

Moody’s downgrades US growth outlook:

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/08/15/moodys-lowers-economic-growth-outlook/

I made an earlier post of an S&P downgrade. This Moody’s coverage from WSJ showed up but still looking for the link to back up the S&P news. That post has not yet shown up. Perhaps Ben is waiting for me to get that link. The Moody’s downgrade is still much more positive than the S&P downgrade.

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 11:24:52

Obama: Another Year or More for Housing Turnaround- AP

President Barack Obama says it likely will be another year to 18 months before home prices start rising again and sales start to pick up.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-17 13:31:47

It’s not news until everybody already gets it. Things will get worse before they get better.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-17 13:35:13

Oh I get it. The people who were calling a “bottom” weren’t really calling the bottom. They were calling the END of the bottom.

I’ll go out on a limb and say we’re at the bottom, or close, and we ain’t coming up for a while.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-17 14:12:49

If we are at the bottom, then why is it still going down????

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 14:18:03

Here in Tucson, the serial bottom callers are still busy. The latest prediction from our local fishwrap:

Sept. bottom seen for housing prices

And here’s a story comment that everyone here can relate to:

“Is this the new and improved bottom or just one of the regular kind that they predict every few months?”

 
Comment by Robin
2011-08-17 17:12:46

Seems like it has alreasy bottomed in the Sacramento, CA, unless another ton of foreclosures hit that market.

What areas are next to rebound?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 13:44:57

At least now everyone knows when to jump back into the housing market and ride the next wave up! This fellow has his finger on the nations pulse!

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 11:56:08

X-GSfixr’s latest Revenue generation plan:

We’ve been seeing and hearing the stories of all of the crazy money the Banksters and Ponzi schemers pi$$ away. A significant percentage of which seems to be spent in “exotic entertainment establishments” and “Gentleman’s Clubs”

So, the answer stares us right in the face: A STRIPPER/HOOKER TAX!

Or call it a “User Fee”, which is closer to being accurate.

Start with a 10% across the board “user fee” for all services rendered.

Although some of us could have some fun figuring out ways to “fine tune” the user fee, to make it more equitable.

Example: P x 2 x CPS x T = total user fee

Where:

P = Little Jimmy’s length (inches)

2 = Length of one full insertion/retraction cycle

CPS = cycles per second

T = Time (in seconds)

A user fee based on this formula would be “fairer” to the guys with hair triggers.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 11:58:13

This formula would also help the “service provider” calculating depreciation.

Comment by The_Overdog
2011-08-17 14:41:03

my god!

 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-17 15:37:05

Unfortunatly much of this activity happens under the table, and therefore, nearly impossible to track and tax.

But it does remind me of a joke.

Little Johnny thinks he may get lucky. Takes his last $2 to the liquor store and grabs a pack of condoms marker $1.99. Takes them to the counter and is told, “That will be $2.10.”

“2.10?”, he asks, ” I thoght they were $1.99.”

“The 11 cents is for tax.”, the clerk says.

“Tacks?!”, Johnny exclaims, “I thought these things stayed on by themselves!”

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 12:24:54

Ho ho, hah hah, hehehehehehe, BwaHaHaAhHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower™) ;-)

“Boycott ‘em!™” + “Move-yer-monie$-now!™” = See ya!

Wells Fargo to test $3 debit card fee
Wells Fargo to start testing $3 monthly debit card fee in the fall:

The industry’s experimentation with fees is partly a response to a new regulation that will sharply reduce the revenue that banks collect on checking accounts. Starting this fall, a new cap will limit how much banks can collect from merchants whenever a customer swipes a debit card. It’s not clear exactly how much banks will lose. In 2009 banks collected an estimated $19.7 billion in such fees from merchants, according to the Nilson Report, which tracks the payments industry.

Wells Fargo has said it plans to recover about half the revenue it loses from the new regulation, either through product changes or volume growth. Earlier this year Wells Fargo announced that it was ending its debit rewards program. Chase has also ended its debit rewards program and PNC Bank will no longer give customers with free checking accounts rewards for debit card purchases.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-17 15:24:15

If I had not left them years ago when they tired to hit me with stupid fees, I’d sure be leaving them now.

I’m sorry you were stupid, bought Wachovia, and inherited a TON of bad debt, but you are not making the profit you need to cover the loss, by charging me stupid fees.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 15:41:53

I’m sorry you were stupid, bought Wachovia, and inherited a TON of bad debt, but you are not making the profit you need to cover the loss, by charging me stupid fees.

All the more reason to cut the plastic cards and pay for those groceries with cash. After all, the merchants are getting hit with all sorts of stupid fees when they accept debit and credit cards.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 16:22:29

Me again. A bit of perspective on the above:

Back in the halcyon days of 2006, Wachovia acquired Golden West, a thrift that was knee-deep in the poo-pond that became known as subprime lending.

I can remember the HBB commentariat on that deal. To a man and woman, we thought it was stupid, silly, misguided, add your favorite adjective here. Not that our opinions swayed the higher-ups at Wachovia.

Methinks that the modern-day Wells Fargo is still dealing with the aftermath of this deal.

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Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 12:37:49

Being Like Soros in Buying Farmland Reaps Annual Gains of 16%
- Bloomberg

Perry Vieth baled hay on a neighbor’s farm in Wisconsin for two summers during high school in 1972 and 1973. The grueling labor left him with no doubt about getting a college degree so that he’d never have to work as hard again for a paycheck. Thirty-eight years later, and after a career as a securities lawyer and fixed-income trader, Vieth is back on the farm.

Except, now, he owns it. As co-founder of Ceres Partners LLC, a Granger, Indiana-based investment firm, Vieth oversees 61 farms valued at $63.3 million in Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and Tennessee. He’s so enthusiastic about the investments that he quit a job in 2008 overseeing $7 billion in fixed-income assets at PanAgora Asset Management Inc., a Boston-based quantitative money management firm, to focus full time on farming, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its September issue.

On a spring afternoon, Vieth, 54, barrels along backcountry roads in a Jeep Cherokee in Indiana and Michigan to scout a fruit orchard and corn and soybean farms to buy. Rural towns with names such as Three Rivers pass by in a blur, separated by a wide horizon of fields with young crops popping up.

“When I told people I was leaving to start an investment fund in farmland, they said, ‘You’re doing what?’” says Vieth, in a red polo golf shirt and khakis. “It will always be difficult for Wall Street firms to understand. It’s not like buying stocks on a computer.”

It’s much better: Returns from farmland have trounced those of equities. Ceres Partners produced an average annual gain of 16.4 percent after fees from January 2008, just after the firm started, through June of this year, Vieth says.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 13:13:10

barrels along backcountry roads in a Jeep Cherokee in Indiana and Michigan to scout a fruit orchard and corn and soybean farms to buy

Go team America! ;-)

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 13:49:24

Sharecropping = Back to the future

 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-17 15:27:15

The rich that see the impending debt collapse and lack of faith in the dollar see that people that owned the farm land in the GD did much better than those that held other assets.

The rush to farm land has been occuring for quite some time.

I’d buy farm land if it were not for the problem that I have NO interest in owning farm land.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 16:06:47

But……they aren’t making any more…….

There’s farmland, and then there’s farmland.

The old family homestead was bought by my cousin in south Oklahoma about 10 years ago.

160 acres, with an old (1930s) but livable three bedroom house, two car detached garage, barn, outbuildings, two ponds, intact/undivided mineral rights. Mainly good for wheat or cotton, the rest is pasture.

Appraised at $110,000. 110K in California wouldn’t buy you a tool shed.

Which is why I’ve always felt that people buying houses in California (circa 1998-2007) were insane.

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-17 16:57:05

I talk to farmers every day who say there is absolutely NO way to make money given todays land prices. They say young people have a very hard time getting started.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-17 12:56:05

Study: 1 in 5 U.S. children live in poverty. - CBS News

LAS VEGAS - Karla Washington worries how she will afford new school uniforms for her five-year-old daughter.

Washington, an undergraduate student, earns less than $11,000 a year from a part-time university job. The salary must cover food, rent, health care, child care and the occasional splurge on a Blue’s Clues item for her only child.

“My biggest fear is not providing my daughter with everything that she needs to be a balanced child, to be independent, to be safe, to feel like she is of value,” said Washington, 41.

Washington’s economic woes are seen throughout Nevada, where the nation’s highest unemployment and foreclosure rates have combined to devastate families and empty neighborhoods and construction yards.

The Annie E. Casey Foundation state-by-state data center

A national study on child well-being to be published Wednesday found Nevada had the highest rate of children whose parents are unemployed and underemployed. The state is also home to the most children affected by foreclosures — 13 percent of all Silver State babies, toddlers and teenagers have been kicked out of their homes because of an unpaid mortgage, the study found.

Across the nation, the research by the Annie E. Casey Foundation found that child poverty increased in 38 states from 2000 to 2009. As a result, 14.7 million children, 20 percent, were poor in 2009. That represents a 2.5 million increase from 2000, when 17 percent of the nation’s youth lived in low-income homes.

In the foundation’s first examination of the impact of the recession on the nation’s children, the researchers concluded that low-income children will likely suffer academically, economically and socially long after their parents have recovered.

“People who grew up in a financially secure situation find it easier to succeed in life, they are more likely to graduate from high school, more likely to graduate from college and these are things that will led to greater success in life,” said Stephen Brown, director of the Center for Business and Economic Research at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. “What we are looking at is a cohort of kids who as they become adults may be less able to contribute to the growth of the economy. It could go on for multiple generations.”

The annual survey monitored by policy makers across the nation concludes that children from low-income families are more likely to be raised in unstable environments and change schools than their wealthier peers. As a result, they are less likely to be gainfully employed as adults.

There are other social costs. Economically disadvantaged children can result in reduced economic output, higher health expenditures and increased criminal justice costs for society, the survey concludes. The research is based on data from many sources, including the Mortgage Bankers Association, National Delinquency Survey and U.S. Census Bureau.

“Even if you don’t care about kids and all you care about is your own well-being, then you ought to be concerned,” said Patrick McCarthy, president of the Baltimore, Md.-based charity. “… We’ve got to think about what kind of state, what kind of country we can expect to have if we are not investing in the success of our children.”

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-17 13:35:22

Study: 1 in 5 U.S. children live in poverty.

Solution: Cut taxes on the rich/corporations so they can create jobs in China who will then sell us cheap toasters so the child living in poverty can have hot toast and Mom can then go work at WalMart for $9 bucks an hour part time with no bennies.

Or mom can get off her lazy butt, go into debt to get a degree so she can then go work stocking Chinese toasters at Target for $9 bucks an hour part time with no bennies.

 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-17 14:00:04

And Governor Perry’s ‘Texas Miracle’ has the highest percentage of children without health insurance in the US. Fortunately most of them are probably too obese to loot and riot like in the UK.

Comment by drumminj
2011-08-17 16:18:44

And Governor Perry’s ‘Texas Miracle’ has the highest percentage of children without health insurance in the US.

and how many of those are here legally?

Comment by Muggy
2011-08-17 18:22:07

“and how many of those are here legally?”

Who cares if they’re legal or not. They’re kids. The Supreme Court agrees. Why do you hate the Constitution?

/troll-style off

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Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-17 15:22:08

Idiocracy.

People with means choose to not reproduce as it would crimp their lifestyle, while those without means crank them out for increased government support and lack of better things to keep themselves occupied.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 15:45:46

Strange as it may seem to the rest of us, the act of getting knocked up — or being a baby daddy — accords many of the “without means” types with a certain celebrity status.

Just look at all the girlfriends and family members who will coo over your new baby. Or the guys who will brag about what their sperm just did.

Of course, when the baby becomes a child and isn’t as cute and charming, the cooing isn’t as common. And the baby daddy has moved on to some other cute young thing.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 16:27:43

You wouldn’t believe the thinking of some of these high school girls and their parents.

Most of them have their heads in the sand. Abstinence…….what a joke. They lock their daughters into some kind of 12 year old suspended animation, and try to ignore the problem. Or they do the “Super-Religion Guilt Trip”, and try to shame them into abstinance.

This works until they, or one of their friends, get their first set of wheels. The stereotypical “Religious girl goes to college and goes Ape$hit crazy” exists for a reason.

I took all my daughter’s to the gynecologist for the pill when they turned 15-16. Because reality is a bitch.

Then gave them the briefing:

- Most 14-21 year old males have one thing on their mind about 80% of the time. They can’t help themselves, it’s just the way it is.

-They will tell you anything to get what they are looking for…..they might even believe their own lies, at least for a while.

-The odds are about 10-1 that your “soulmate” is going to ditch you when he goes off to college or the military.

-All of you are going to be different people by the time you turn 18……and even more so when you turn 21-22.

-Do you REALLY want to hang around this guy for the next 20 years? If you have a kid with him, you won’t have much choice in the matter, if he wants to be a “daddy”.

So far, it seems to be working.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-17 20:55:29

That’s about the briefing my husband gave our daughters. He heavily emphasized that all of their boyfriends and boy friends had only one thing on their mind. They didn’t want to believe it, but he was eventually able to convince them.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 13:00:15

:-)

NASA Joins The Rap Game
Earnest “Nex” Cavalli | 17 Aug 2011 12:20 pm
Filed under: earnest “nex” cavalli, music, nasa, rap, space

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/112381-NASA-Joins-The-Rap-Game

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-17 13:20:28

Conforming loan limits coming down starting now…let’s see what happens to sales volumes…

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44178578

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 22:55:18

Old sign on old new home development along my daily commute:

“From the low $700s”

New sign on new new home development right next door to old new home development:

“From the high $600s”

Current San Diego County conforming & FHA loan limit = $697,500

Prospective San Diego County conforming & FHA loan limit (after October 1, 2011) = $546,250

The good news: In the foreseeable future, a smaller downpayment may be needed to buy a home in California than what is currently needed.

CA Conforming / FHA Loan Limits Dropping Oct. 1, 2011. How Will it Affect You?
by Brad Yzermans on June 8, 2011 in Mortgage Guidelines

Conforming Loan Limits lowered in 2011If you are a home buyer or home owner in a traditional high-cost area of California, like Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, Orange, or Los Angeles county, October 1st could be a very bad day for you. Starting October 1, 2011, temporary conforming and FHA insurable loan limits will be lowered nationwide.

HUD has also announced new (lowered) FHA insurable loan limits across the nation. Looks like California has several counties that will be negatively affected and potentially impact home buyers who don’t have a large down payment saved up.

“Temporary loan limits” were enacted as part of the government’s 2008 economic stimulus package. At the time, the financial sector was entering its crisis and private mortgage lending had all but disappeared. Financing was scarce for both homeowners and home buyers for whom loan sizes exceeded Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s national $417,000 limit — even for those with excellent credit and income.

Riverside and San Bernardino will no longer be considered a high cost area in the eyes of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac…this will impact you when buying a home in the mid $350,000 to mid $450,000 price range.

County New FHA loan Limit New Conforming Limit
Riverside County $355,350 $417,000
San Bernardino County $355,350 $417,000
San Diego County $546,250 $546,250
Orange County $625,500 $625,500
Los Angeles County $625,500 $625,500

 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2011-08-17 13:20:41

Wells Fargo Lowers Conforming Loan Limits

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44178578

The deadline for ending temporarily higher loan limits at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the FHA is October 1st, but they are effectively ended now.

A Wells Fargo spokesman confirms, “August 15th was the deadline for applications and rate locks for FHA and conventional conforming loans with balances above the limits we expect will be in place after September 30th.”

The loan limits were raised by Congress in 2008 temporarily from $417,000 to $729,000 in the highest priced markets in order to help bring much-needed liquidity to the mortgage market after the sub-prime meltdown that sent investors fleeing. There has been heavy lobbying by the Realtors, mortgage bankers and home builders to extend the limits, but so far to no avail.

Even though the rule goes into effect on October 1st, all loans have to be funded, sold and shipped to the GSE’s by then. Refi volume has been so high lately that it can take 45 days to do a loan, so lenders have to cut off in time.

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-17 13:22:37

Obama is on road trip looking for economic ideas….

You want some economic ideas?

UNDO everything we’ve been doing for the last 60 years.

1) End free trade and add large trade tarrifs on imports to plug internation trade imbalances.
2) Item 1 jacks up prices, making room for more domestic production. Strengthen labor laws to ensure those jobs pay sufficient wages to allow people to buy goods and services, driving demand, without ever increasing debt. Switch from a supply-side economy where people borrow money they need to buy goods, to a demand-side economy where poeple make enough wage to drive demand without debt.
3) Eliminate the SS/MC payroll taxes and roll it into income taxes.
4) Eliminate virtually all income tax dedutions. 20% income tax upto median household income, 40% upto 2x, 60% upto 3x medain huosehold income, then top marginal income tax rate to 80% on anything over 3x the median household income. Eliminate capital gains, estate, etc taxes. Roll ALL income into the income tax, regardless of the source.
5) Eliminate corporate income tax. Replace it with a corporate property tax on cash assets on their balance sheets. Encourage companies to spend on property/plant/equipment or distrubute cash to owners who get charged income tax, rather than sitting on fat cash balance sheets. The exception is foreign based corporations which pay a tax on all money removed from the USA (foreign investment and dividends to foreigners) at a rate the same as the import tarrif.
6) Large cuts to programs intended to help people that do not have high enough income. EIC is gone, per child tax credits gone, student lunch programs gone. Food stamps, housing assistance, Medicare, disability, etc, all take massive hits, like 50% plus. We need jobs that pay enough that people can live without government assistance, not more public assistance so that companies can sell products to people that otherwise can’t afford them.
7) Let the too big to fail banks, fail. Reinstate FASB157 and watch them all implode. Cash injections go to proping up small to medium banks, not to proping up the large banks.
8) Let housing prices crash. Force liquidations of inventory. Make changes to bankruptcy laws to speed foreclsoures.
9) Bring back the old bankruptcy laws making it easier for people burried in debt to get out from under that debt.
10) Public option national healthcare paid for out of income taxes.
11) Undo banking deregulation. No interstate banks. No bank/brokerage hybrids. 10% reserve requirements. No securitized debt obligations without margined reserves. Larger limits on exposure to certain market segments.

Attack trade imbalances that have caused excess money and debt creation. Attack the pools of money. Collapse the excessive debt. Switch back to a demand-side, wage based economy from our supply-side, debt based economy. STOP doing the things that brought us to the verge of collapse. TURN AROUND AND START DOING THE OPPOSITE.

How hard is that to figure out?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 14:07:44

I like #4.

When it’s based on the median, rather than some arbitrary number, it gives the top 5%ers a tax incentive to start paying the peeps more.

Raising the peeps median lowers the tax rate on the Masters of the Universe.

But that would be using the tax code to modify behavior. Which is socialist, unless it is of benefit to the MotU……then it’s an “incentive”.

I suppose if you really want to be fair, you could just tax everyone (including corporations, since they are people too) 1-10% of their TOTAL NET INCOME and WORTH every year, with no deductions/shelters/Swiss or offshore accounts/etc.

This would have the benefit of making those freeloaders at the lower end of the scale pay their “fair share”.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 13:29:21

Coca-Cola / x110 long grain trains?…80 year old Uncle Warren’s having an interesting retirement. ;-)

Many attribute the larger-than-expected demand to a growing middle class that is changing its tastes more quickly than anticipated. As the Chinese population becomes wealthier, for example, it is eating more pork. And the Chinese government is pushing its farmers to adopt Western methods of raising their pigs, including feeding them more corn. Citizens are also slurping up juices and other products that include corn-based sweeteners: Coca-Cola Co. said that its volume in China spiked 21% in the second quarter.

Chinese Hunger for Corn $tretches Farm Belt:
By SCOTT KILMAN And BRIAN SPEGELE

China already buys about a quarter of all U.S. soybeans. But its sudden demand for corn caught many off guard. China, which hadn’t been a net importer of corn for 15 years until last year, has a vast corn belt of its own and for many years strove to be self-sufficient. And because China is secretive about the levels of commodities it holds in its strategic reserves, the rest of the market can only guess what its supply needs are.

China’s need for corn—which forms the basis of sweeteners, starch and alcohol as well as feed for livestock—was on stark display in July when the nation ordered 21 million bushels of U.S. corn in one hit, more than the U.S. government thought the country would buy in a year. The purchase surprised the market and came as an intense July heat wave was shrinking the potential size of the Midwest crop. China bought another 2.2 million bushels of U.S. corn early this month.

Still, the threat of instability might well work in the favor of U.S. farmers. China’s ruling Communist Party worries in particular about food inflation, which could put social stability at risk. In an effort to preserve domestic supplies, the government has already stopped construction of factories that convert Chinese corn into ethanol fuel.

U.S. companies are already investing with China’s ever-expanding appetite in mind. Decatur, Ill., grain exporter Archer-Daniels-Midland Co. said in July that it would build a shuttle-loading grain elevator near St. Cloud, Minn., with the capability of loading trains that are 110 cars long.

Biotechnology giant Monsanto Co. has had talks about deepening ties with Sinochem, the state-owned chemicals conglomerate with which it has had a corn seed-breeding venture in China since 2001.

doubling of per-capita meat consumption in China so that it matches the U.S. level would require the country to use an additional 24 billion bushels of corn, or about twice what the U.S. produces in a year.

“There’s not enough grain in the world for them to do that,” Mr. Swanson says. “But just moving in the direction is staggering to consider.”

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 14:17:43

The 110 car “unit train” has been the standard for grain hauling for a while.

I’m betting this new facility has less to do with shipping to China, than it has to do with the fact that the railroads give freight discounts to elevators that can handle/quickly turn 110 car trains.

How much corn do they try to grow in Texas and Oklahoma? Probably not much. Farther north, the corn crop seems to be doing fine. Rain hasn’t been a problem up here.

Of course, that still gives the banksters a couple of months pushing scare stories to run up corn prices, until the harvest is in and the truth comes out.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 13:54:19

Is it just me, or does Rick Perry look like about 3/4ths of the used truck salesmen in America?

I’m not a stickler for fashion, but my God man, you are the Governor of Texas……..spring for the full Supercuts treatment, and quit going to the barber college.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 14:22:47

I’m not a stickler for fashion, but my God man, you are the Governor of Texas……..spring for the full Supercuts treatment, and quit going to the barber college.

When it comes to haircuts on major political figures, I’d have to give props to Barack Obama.

Yeah, I know. That super-short cut really makes his ears stick out. And this is especially noticeable when you compare current photos with that of the younger Barack.

But I’ve got to give the guy credit for staying on top of the hair situation. Can’t say that I’ve ever seen a picture in which he’s really needed to hit the barber chair.

Okay, now it’s your turn: Major female political figures — whose hair do you like? Dislike?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-08-17 14:34:54

Major female political figures — whose hair do you like? Dislike?

I love Sarah Palin’s hair. (and her glasses and her shoes) I love the way she talks. And when she winks it’s like she’s winking at only at me.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-17 15:19:42

And then she starts talking policy and….pooof….

Buh bye fantasy, hello dangerous, deluded, clueless, airhead.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 15:49:42

“….she starts talking…..”

Earplugs, dude, earplugs……..

Or live with 2-3 teen age daughters (and their friends) for a few years…… your brain develops the ability to filter…….

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 15:54:59

Janet Reno.

Not.

Although I can see where it would be a challenge. You don’t want to look like you care too much, but you have to look like you at least gave some thought to looking professional.

My youngest can’t get it thru her thick head that the purple (or bright red) hair, and the piercings, might restrict her employment opportunities.

At least I’ve managed (as far as I know)to keep her out of the Tat Shop.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-17 16:29:40

My youngest can’t get it thru her thick head that the purple (or bright red) hair, and the piercings, might restrict her employment opportunities.

Au contraire.

A now-deceased acquaintance was the director of communications for the University of Arizona’s business school.

She was quite good at her job, the faculty and administration loved her, and she was, shall we say, a bit eccentric.

Like when she took up swing dancing. She found her lessons so exciting that she was eager to demonstrate what she’d learned. So, out to the courtyard she’d go with any willing partner. And they’d dance in this courtyard, which is in the center of the business school.

Did I mention that this lady had purple hair? And that it got brighter and brighter as she got older? I guess she was trying to hide the gray or something.

Back in the spring of 2004, word went out: She had died.

This was a few months after she’d retired, and a friend got concerned because she hadn’t heard from her for a day or so. So the friend called 911. The police went out to do a welfare check and they found the body.

Well, the b-school just had to give her a proper sendoff. They had a memorial in a room full of photographs that she’d personally selected for the business school. And the dress code of the day was simple: Wear purple. We did.

One of the best darn memorials I’ve ever been to.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 17:06:55

One of the privleges of being a “boss”

You can be eccentric.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 16:10:53

Where does this Texas tough talk against the Fed come from? Since when is the normal conduct of monetary policy an act of treason?

Perry Links Federal Reserve Policies and Treason
Charles Dharapak/Associated Press

Gov. Rick Perry of Texas campaigned for president Tuesday in Iowa with his family. From left, Mr. Perry; his wife, Anita; his son, Griffin; his daughter-in-law, Meredith; and his daughter, Sydney. More Photos »
By JEFF ZELENY and JACKIE CALMES
Published: August 16, 2011

DUBUQUE, Iowa — Gov. Rick Perry did not back down on Tuesday, but he did not repeat his suggestion that the monetary policies of the Federal Reserve were potentially “treasonous” and could warrant “ugly” treatment should the Fed chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, ever pay a visit to Texas.

“Printing more money to play politics at this particular time in American history is almost treacherous — or treasonous in my opinion,” Mr. Perry said Monday, taking a voter’s question about the Fed and criticizing the possibility of the central bank’s taking further steps between now and the election to keep interest rates low.

He added, “I don’t know what y’all would do to him in Iowa, but we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas.”

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-17 17:14:28

“….treat him pretty ugly in Texas…..”

Yeah, they’d probably hire him at one of the S&Ls, if they were still around.

Haven’t we had about enough of former Texas governors as President by now?

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 22:42:26

“…enough of former Texas governors as President by now?”

One too many, by my reckoning…

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-08-17 18:29:27

While I strongly disagree with The Bernank’s policy of printing money, in this country, we have a remedy - the vote.

If Perry wishes to open the door of advocating violence towards public officials, he puts himself at risk. We commonly think that it’s just the right that attacks public officials, but at one time, it was the left.

There have been many wars fought to secure the peace. Casual incitements by peacetime leaders to violence is extremely ill-advised and in very poor taste.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 22:45:51

“If Perry wishes to open the door of advocating violence towards public officials, he puts himself at risk.”

He seems to be following Sarah Palin’s lead on this one.

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-17 16:21:42

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8707154/Italy-could-recover-billions-in-taxes-by-setting-up-licensed-brothels.html

Leave it to governments to deal with fiscal mismanagement by promoting the spread of vice, then taxing it.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 17:10:20

Gubmint economic policy motto:

- If it moves, tax it.

- If it slows down, subsidize it.

- If it stops moving, bail it out.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-08-17 17:00:30

I’m starting to see some serious price drops $249 to $199k. Good stuff, but we’re not done.

The more the bubble deflates, the less I want to be locked into a house.

Debt sucks.
Cash is king.
Drink lots of wine (from a box).

 
Comment by Muggy
2011-08-17 17:02:50

Shazam!

“Florida teachers can get a free year of annual passes to Legoland Florida, the theme park currently under construction in Winter Haven.”

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_orlando/2011/08/legoland-florida-free-annual-passes-for-teachers.html

 
Comment by Professor Bear
Comment by Muggy
2011-08-17 17:39:08

You know, I have to shred a lot of documents these days, and the other day I was shredding and yelled to a colleague, “I feel like a banker over here!” and we shared a little laugh.

And then about ten minutes later I felt a little weird. I mean, IT’S THAT OPEN. It’s simply a part of doing business. It’s not even a secret or done with discretion… just another day at the office.

Comedians tell jokes.
Lawyers make phone calls.
Chefs step out back for a smoke.
Money guys shred.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 22:37:21

“IT’S THAT OPEN. It’s simply a part of doing business.”

It’s also highly illegal, and if we had a Rule of Law in the financial sector, would result in prison time for the perpetrators.

Why can’t our justice system put a stop to high crimes and felonies on Wall Street & K Street?

 
 
Comment by rms
2011-08-17 18:23:41

“How are banksters going to ever be brought to justice if the evidence is routinely put through shredders?”

Silly Bear, God’s children will never see a courtroom. Now go find an awl and make another hole in your belt because you are going to be tightening it even more.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 22:39:41

You’d think all the belt tightening I and other Americans have had to do during the course of the Great Recession would make us want to hunker down and forget about all the obvious crimes the Wall Street banksters have perpetrated against the American people. But to the contrary, my resolve to quietly speak up for the cause of upholding the right and prosecuting the wrong has never been stronger.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-17 18:40:50

may have destroyed documents and compromised enforcement cases involving activity at large banks and hedge funds during the height of the financial crisis in 2008 ;-)

lil’ Opie (non-Hawaiian) destroyer of America!

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-17 19:22:26

Didn’t our champion of hope ‘n change promise greater transparency?

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-08-17 18:11:38

Allena, how are you doing this days?

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-17 19:12:28

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/is-the-sec-covering-up-wall-street-crimes-20110817

Matt Taibbi’s latest: Is the SEC covering up Wall Street Crimes?

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 22:35:29

“For the past two decades, according to a whistle-blower at the SEC who recently came forward to Congress, the agency has been systematically destroying records of its preliminary investigations once they are closed. By whitewashing the files of some of the nation’s worst financial criminals, the SEC has kept an entire generation of federal investigators in the dark about past inquiries into insider trading, fraud and market manipulation against companies like Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank and AIG. With a few strokes of the keyboard, the evidence gathered during thousands of investigations – “18,000 … including Madoff,” as one high-ranking SEC official put it during a panicked meeting about the destruction – has apparently disappeared forever into the wormhole of history.”

It’s unfracking believable.

Are any of the prospective presidential candidates willing to go out on a limb and propose to clean up the SEC-Wall Street cesspool? The American voter deserves a choice, and the Wall Street criminals deserve their perp walks. I will certainly consider voting for any candidate who steps up to the plate and makes a campaign promise to enforce a Rule of Law on our broken financial system.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 22:29:42

Professor Bear’s late night, seat-of-the-pants predictions:

1) The Bernank will roll out QE3 (or at least drop an undeniable hint thereof) at the Fed’s upcoming annual Jackson Hole pow wow.

2) Somebody in the press will ask Rick Perry to explain his accusation that the Fed’s QE manoeuvre is tantamount to treason.

Aug. 18, 2011, 12:01 a.m. EDT
‘R’ is for recession, not recovery
Commentary: Humpty Dumpty perches on Wall Street
By Jon Markman, MarketWatch

SEATTLE (MarketWatch) — Call it a cyclical slowdown, a correction, a bear market if you will, but the fact is that the trend of the economy, wages, prices and share values are all pointing south. Until the Fed tries to save the day by announcing a third round of quantitative easing — and possibly not even then — figure it’s 10 minutes ’til sunset for the bulls.

Market leadership is petering out. Big industrials such as Caterpillar Inc. (CAT -1.91%), 3M Co. (MMM -0.80%) and Ingersoll-Rand Co. (IR -2.85%) look like the cat’s breakfast, and tech titans Google Inc. (GOOG -1.09%) , Oracle Corp. (ORCL -0.36%) and Texas Instruments Inc. (TXN 0.00%) have all lost their power cords.

This is no way to run an expansion. It’s not even the way to run a recovery.

If that makes you bummed, and who could blame you, light a candle, say a novena and pray that the Bernank has one more miracle in his back pocket when the Federal Reserve meets for its annual retreat in Wyoming later this month. Couldn’t hurt, right? Anything is worth a shot at this point.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 23:05:47

Enough already. The American people need to stand up and demand that justice be served to the Wall Street crime syndicate and any politicians who participated in covering up criminal activity. But where is the political leadership to bring this about?

Come on, Perry, Romney, Bachmann, Palin, Paul, Ryan, Dodd, Frank, etc etc etc — GET A CLUE!!!! This is your chance to send members of the Wall Street crime syndicate and their bought-and-paid protectors in DC packing. DON’T MISS YOUR CHANCE — STAND UP FOR LAW AND ORDER ON WALL STREET!!!

Make a convincing offer to send Wall Street criminals and their Washington, DC protectors to prison, right where they belong, and you have my vote.

S.E.C. Files Were Illegally Destroyed, Lawyer Says
By EDWARD WYATT
Published: August 17, 2011

The destroyed files comprise records of at least 9,000 preliminary inquiries into matters involving notorious individuals like Bernard L. Madoff, as well as several major Wall Street firms that later were the subject of scrutiny after the 2008 financial crisis, including Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Citigroup and Bank of America.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 23:07:50

18 August 2011 Last updated at 00:07 ET

US senator wants SEC’s answers on destroyed files claim
Bernard Madoff walks out from court in Manhattan in January 2009 Files relating to Bernard Madoff, major banks and hedge funds were allegedly among those destroyed

A US senator is demanding answers to an allegation that America’s top financial regulator has destroyed thousands of preliminary investigation records.

Senator Charles Grassley has written to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to query the claims by an internal whistleblower.

The SEC is said to have destroyed files on initial inquiries linked to Bernard Madoff, major banks and hedge funds.

A spokesman for the watchdog said it did not need to retain every document.

According to an SEC attorney-turned-whistleblower, Darcy Flynn, the regulator has destroyed more than 9,000 files on preliminary investigations since the early 1990s.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-17 23:12:12

Business as usual at the SEC?

SEC accused of dumping records of financial firms
By David S. Hilzenrath
The Washington Post / August 18, 2011

WASHINGTON - The SEC has violated federal law by destroying the records of thousands of enforcement cases in which it decided not to file charges against or conduct full-blown investigations of Wall Street firms and others initially suspected of wrongdoing, a former agency official has alleged.

The purged records involve such major firms as Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, and hedge fund manager SAC Capital, the former official claimed. At issue were suspicions such as insider trading, financial fraud, and market manipulation.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-19 15:37:38

Realturds are truly liars, and here’s why:

March 2011 A home that we liked the front of comes on the market, and is sold quickly. Turns out it was a SS. (Disclosure is many times hidden upfront.)Falls out of escrow. Weak buyer.

May 2011 Comes back on the market, so we preview it. Our Buyer’s Broker tells us that they have 5 OFFERS in 3 DAYS, since the listing priced dropped. 1 cash, 2 -20% down, and 1 other. Hurry up, if you like what you’re about to see…opens door to listing.
Fwy noise, major fixer, bad remodel in master. We pass. It shows pending for months as “Under Contract” with the second buyer.

Aug 2011 Get a call from our Buyer’s Broker Assistant. Our Buyer’s Broker is the listing agent on the SS. Current buyer walked. It’s an opportunity says his assistant, not communicating with her boss that we didn’t want it. They have 14 days to find a buyer. We’re cash and want a one-story. I repeated how we work. We find the house, she’s the door opener, that’s all. She got snotty with me, and I hung up. We’re thinking about breaking our contract.
You would think a cash buyer would be someone not to tick off. Lies and attitudes. Oh I forgot, they are realturds.

 
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