I made some comments about Google that really upset one of their employees. She went a bit ballistic.
I said that I’m skeptical of their earnings. Am I wrong? Granted I’m not the average internet user but I’m a pretty big techie. I give Yahoo money for flickr, I give eBay plenty of money. I just don’t see where Google makes THAT much money from advertising.
My eyeballs don’t even -see- google ads. I’ve been running Adblock so long I forgot what the actual internet looked like.
I know people who utilize google adwords to find business. A friend runs a local tow company and has google sending people who search for towing locally straight to him. It costs him over a dollar per click, but he claims it’s generating enough business to justify it.
For the record though - he gets more business from spamming Craigslist.
Some people made money from mining for gold. Some people made money selling shovels to people mining for gold.
Google sells shovels.
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Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-18 14:07:44
Doesn’t commericalizing searches ruin the whole concept of searching? I personally get really pissed off when I search for something and can tell a paid-for result is toward the top of the list.
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-18 14:53:14
Doesn’t commericalizing searches ruin the whole concept of searching? I personally get really pissed off when I search for something and can tell a paid-for result is toward the top of the list.
I’m with you, liz.
I personally know of a content-rich website on a topic that’s very near and dear to my heart. Site’s hundreds of pages deep, and it used to be at the top of the searches. These days, it appears to have been crowded out by the paid-for results.
Comment by somebody
2011-08-18 15:37:38
Actually, the only paid material is in the blocks marked as “Ads.” If the site has been crowded out by spammy sites it’s a casualty of the ongoing war between the search team’s ranking algorithm and search engine optimizing firms.
A lot of spam has been cut over the past year, but it’s a really difficult problem. If you’d like to help fix it, there’s a “Give us feedback” link on the bottom of the search results page where you can inform them about spammy queries.
I understand google makes money, but it’s interesting that in bad times they never skip a beat. I’ve used adsense and adwords. I get how they work, I understand there is profit there. But VCs and rating agencies and all that, I’m just a bit skeptical.
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Comment by Rental Watch
2011-08-18 22:17:33
Look at Amazon revenue growth as a proxy for internet usage for commerce. It pretty much goes straight up through the recession. Google’s revenue rides that growth wave.
If you believe that more and more business is transacted over the web, then you should believe that Google makes more and more money.
I’m not a techie either but from what I understand Google earns its bucks as the Yellow Pages used to earn their bucks: If one types in search words then the responses he gets back are stacked in the order and in the method Google wants them to be displayed. The more money paid to Google (as is the case with Yellow Pages) the more enticing the responses.
If a Google search is going to going to come back with, say, ten thousand replies then it is a given that the searcher will not wade through reading ten thousnd replies in search for the best reply to fit his needs. He’ll stop reading as soon as he gets a reply that works for him. The sooner he gets such a reply the better, both for him and the advertiser, and thus for Google.
the google search engine results pages contain mostly free results, the sponsored ads to the right “adwords” and at top and bottom of free listings are the ones that are paid for.
a site or web page gets good results in google’s rankings by optimizing on page and off page criteria not by advertising.
I increasingly find that a google search for information is heavily top loaded with sites wanting to sell you a product. Sometimes I only want to find out technical information, not buy. It can be frustrating.
But I am with you. Google and Facebook are the new fronts of NSA and CIA. With their meteoric rise and their business practice of collecting user data and total disregard of any user privacy, I wouldn’t be surprised the government pays them.
I wonder too, just how many people click on those ads? And how many people buy stuff from those ads?
It wouldn’t surprise me if Google is pumping up its market cap so they can borrow funny money to buy something more substantive, like that Motorola platform thing which I don’t understand.
I think I have bought stuff from google ad click-throughs. I was looking for a particular product (kids raincoats) in a particular brand (Hatley) and did the search to see if any on-line store was having a sale. I found what I was looking for, did a search on customer comments for the stores to make sure they weren’t a rip off, compared the price with shipping from the sale place against the price with shipping from the brand’s site and Amazon, and twice (I think) it was better to use the store I found through google. Helped that once I was also able to find an additional on-line discount code.
So it can happen. But I’ve only done it when I was particularly looking to buy something. Not just because I searched on a topic and decided to buy something because of the ads that showed up. Oh, and it is possible that it was from the regular result searches, not the ads. I honestly can’t remember.
“I just don’t see where Google makes THAT much money from advertising.”
Google might, but I don’t think the recipients of their ads make squat. Not to mention, you really have to wonder about their placement, which is all robotic and bases on key words. Thus, the HBB gets Armando Montelongo. And he’s paying for that. It’s kind of funny, actually.
Well, Armando Montelongo is only paying for the Ad if someone clicks it.
It’s sortof a shotgun approach to things. You put some cash into an account with google, set up some adwords to point to your page, and wait.
Google charges you different amounts based on the popularity of those adwords and the competition for dominance of that particular adword (for example, mesothelioma used to be an extremely expensive adword thanks to all the law firms searching for clients). Having your Ad show up when someone searches for “towing” in a particular city might cost you a dollar if someone clicks on it (you pay whether they buy anything or not).
When your account is empty, your ads stop showing up. Hopefully those directed clicks generated real income for you.
Of course, a greater problem IMHO is click fraud. There is a not-so-small group of fraudsters creating content-filled websites specifically to draw higher-value adsense results. Then, they utilize botnets (thousands upon thousands of computers they control through the use of virus/spyware/adware) to randomly click various links on said sites. Some of these people have even banded together - there is a large group of “back scratchers” you can get into with your website that practice mutual fraud clicking, boosting both site traffic and revenue. They website operator gets paid a percentage of the amount google charges the advertiser for each and every click. So for example, someone writes an article about towing and a person visits that result. Google decides to serve up an adsense listing from my friend’s towing company. The “botnet” operator has his little busy bees clicking around on the site, and suddenly my friend’s towing website gets plenty of phony clicks at 1$ each with no appreciable benefit.
“The “botnet” operator has his little busy bees clicking around on the site, and suddenly my friend’s towing website gets plenty of phony clicks at 1$ each with no appreciable benefit.”
I don’t quite understand the business model here. Doesn’t the value accrue to google, who is getting paid for each phony click-thru by your friend’s business?
Who funds the botnet guy, then, and why?
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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-18 13:16:18
Since this is pay-per-click advertising, the towing service gets to pay for all of those bogus clicks generated by the “botnets.”
Nice, huh?
And this happens to more than a few people who use Google AdWords (and other services) to promote their businesses.
Comment by Ncinerate
2011-08-19 09:39:15
Business model:
Customer (tow company operator) sets up an adwords account on google.
Google sets price per click @ 1$.
Legitimate tow customer is surfing the net and checks up on thehousingbubble blog, see’s the tow company ad, and clicks on it. Whether or not that click leads to a sale, the tow company pays Google 1$, and Google pays -part- of that 1$ to the website that served the ad (so in this case, ben would get a small cut of that 1$).
That’s how it’s -supposed- to work.
With a botnet, things are slightly different:
Customer (tow company operator) sets up an adwords account on google.
Google sets price per click @ 1$.
The botnet operator sets up his own website. He fills it with assorted content designed to get reasonably high value adword ads.
He rips off someone elses website with an article about towing. Adsense serves up an ad for the towing company mentioned above. The BOTNET OPERATOR clicks on that ad, repeatedly, using multiple computers that are set up to browse the internet and his site, making his “percentage” with every click.
Google makes the better part of 1$ every single time the botnet operator does this. The botnet operator makes a few cents with every single click. The tow company operator gets robbed in the process because NONE of those clicks are legitimate.
Google is in a constant battle to stop these phony clicks, but the reality is they profit from every single one. The burden of proof is on the company PAYING for the adwords to prove the clicks they are getting is fraudulent. If the customer paying for those adwords never says anything, google can and does sit on their hands and allows it to happen. The arms race between botnet operators trying to make thousands of computers appear to be normal internet users and Google trying to root out frauds is an interesting one, but ultimately Google is the one profiting from the illegal and immoral activity.
I do quite well advertising my business on Google and Yahoo. I am very specialized though so my customers really need me if they are searching. (sorry no hints
We did the same thing. We bought very specific search terms, so the cost was relatively high per click, but there were relatively few clicks. If someone searched for us, it was highly likely that they were looking for us.
It worked well. If you specialize in Leatherbound 18th Century Religious Texts, don’t pay for “antique books”, pay for “Leatherbound 18th Century Religious Texts”…if someone searches for that, they probably are looking for you.
By using a very specific search terms, it was efficient advertising for us.
How about houses @ 50% off of 2007, mortgage rates @ lowest since Kennedy was president. Real inflation is too much money chasing too few goods. I do not know of many people with too much money to spend.
IMHO gold will crash if the economy goes in reverse. I guess we will see.
If Google’s advertising didn’t drive business for those paying the fees, they wouldn’t pay the fees.
If I want to buy something specific, I search for it on Google, click on their “shopping” link, find the online retailer with the best price, and purchase. It’s amazing how often Amazon isn’t the cheapest.
Charlie Munger calls Google’s “moat” (the barriers to unseat it’s profit making machine) the widest he’s ever seen.
I just don’t see where Google makes THAT much money from advertising.
I’m of the mind that a lot of businesses give advertising on Google a try. In other words, you, the business person, will set up an account on Google AdWords, bid on some key words, and then you give it a go with your little fleet of ads.
And I think that a lot of these business people will experience the same thing I did: Few clicks, no sales. Thus ends the Adwords experiment.
The upside, for Google, is that there are plenty of businesses willing to make this experiment. The world isn’t going to run out of such businesses anytime soon. Not to mention the fact that, for a very few businesses, AdWords work quite well.
So, what you have are a lot of businesses hoping to emulate the successes of a very few.
I heard one of the major executives of Extra Space Storage speak the other day. I’m paraphrasing, but he basically said that if you were in the Yellow Page business, that you should find a new career.
They now spend something like 90% of their advertisement dollars online. Google is a part of that.
I think the unfortunate reality is that in order to get the word out on your business in today’s world, you need to do one of the following:
1. Have an ad in the Yellow Pages;
2. Have a search engine marketing program;
3. Have a social media marketing program; or
4. Build your business the old fashioned way, building relationships with your customers over time.
We have chosen to do #4, despite having some success with #2.
I found a local music shop right here about 1/2 mile away and had no clue it existed for over a year until they had a lost their lease sale……they spent on 2&3 but forgot the local people I saw no ads in the weekly paper no direct marketing…all on line
sad they had so much good music i bought at 50%+ off
They also license and sell their technology to corporations.
For instance:
Postini is the THE best email spam blocker on the planet.
Maps technology is sold to other corporations. They have a deal with Oracle for the Oracle’s upcoming Fusion suite to use Maps as part of the the suite.
Google Earth satellite data is a lot deeper than just what you see on-line. Guess who buys it?
Their You-Tube on-the-fly compression software is, yep, you guessed it, sold as well.
I extensively use Docs and Maps, but you know my favorite Google product?
eBooks.
You know why?
They are partnering with local independent bookstores. I can go onto my local bookstore’s website, buy an eBook via Google with their website as a portal, and my local bookstore gets revenue. The bookstore in the small downtown almost went out of business, when some locals came in to save it. I’ll now only by eBooks through their portal (with Google’s help).
My fat cat has flees. I don’t anticipate him burning, but then I do have young children whose curiosity grows by the day. Note to self, verify all accelerants and sources of ignition are securely stored.
Note to self, verify all accelerants and sources of ignition are securely stored ??
So you have a fire bug also eh….I had one, still do really…I had to watch him closely even at the age of 5…He just fell in love with fire works on the forth of July…Problem was he thought every day was the forth of July…
Wells Fargo Lowers Conforming Loan Limits
17 Aug 2011 |By: Diana Olick - CNBC Real Estate Reporter
The deadline for ending temporarily higher loan limits at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the FHA is October 1st, but they are effectively ended now.
A Wells Fargo spokesman confirms, “August 15th was the deadline for applications and rate locks for FHA and conventional conforming loans with balances above the limits we expect will be in place after September 30th.”
The loan limits were raised by Congress in 2008 temporarily from $417,000 to $729,000 in the highest priced markets in order to help bring much-needed liquidity to the mortgage market after the sub-prime meltdown that sent investors fleeing. There has been heavy lobbying by the Realtors, mortgage bankers and home builders to extend the limits, but so far to no avail.
Even though the rule goes into effect on October 1st, all loans have to be funded, sold and shipped to the GSE’s by then. Refi volume has been so high lately that it can take 45 days to do a loan, so lenders have to cut off in time.
What does that mean on the street? A check of Wells Fargo’s website shows it offering the 30-yr fixed conforming at 4.25 percent, and jumbos at 4.625 percent. Obviously the rate changes will affect only the highest priced markets, largely on the coasts. This from mortgage expert Mark Hanson:
“The realists note that within certain mid-to-high end communities, which can underpin an entire county’s economy, the majority of houses and borrowers could be impacted, again weakening the macro economic foundation.
Bottom line: The loss of high leverage GSE and FHA loans to $729k will negatively impact mid-to-high end housing. To what extent, I am not sure yet. However, I don’t think it will be trivial. But what I am sure of is that mid-to-high end housing is the segment most at-risk for step-down in sales volume and prices…just look at CA house sales over $500 in July for an example of how volatile this market segment is.”
Are most Americans oblivious to how the mortgage interest deduction is primarily a large tax break for the rich? Or has the NAR’s propaganda successfully confused them on the matter?
Will Warren Buffett’s Op-Ed yesterday begging Congress to raise his taxes start a movement? It’s kind of fun to imagine the 8,274 Americans who earn more than $10 million a year marching on Washington carrying signs: “Slash the Deficit! Raise My Marginal Tax Rates!”
Buffett’s Op-Ed was at least partly directed at the Congressional supercommittee that is supposed to reduce the deficit by $1.5 trillion. For anyone interested in other ideas to chip away the deficit, I recommend Roger Lowenstein’s article “Who Needs the Mortgage-Interest Deduction?” Back when we published the story, in 2006, no one was talking about the deficit — we were too busy buying houses with interest-only loans. But Lowenstein’s argument feels more relevant than ever.
Before reading Lowenstein’s article, I (like many people) viewed the mortgage-interest deduction as unassailable, apple-pie policy to encourage homeownership; that it dovetailed nicely with my own interests at tax time was a pleasant coincidence. But he slew a number of my assumptions providing evidence that
1) the deduction does not encourage homeownership,
2) it is incredibly costly — an estimated $131 billion in 2012 and
3) the people it benefits most are wealthy and capable of buying a home without it.
(Under current law, you can deduct mortgage loans up to $1 million.) As he wrote: “The deduction might help some people (like me) to purchase bigger homes than they otherwise would. And it certainly helps people who are selling mansions to get a higher price. But it is hardly the democratic subsidy people think. In fact, it’s patently regressive.”
So one way to look at the mortgage-interest deduction is this: It is a housing subsidy for people who make enough money to itemize their taxes.
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Comment by oxide
2011-08-18 05:57:41
NAR’s propaganda has successfully confused them on the matter. Apparently, something like “do away with MID for second homes and primary homes over X price” is too complex for the masses.
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-18 06:01:15
I’m guessing the 35 million American households that claimed the mortgage interest deduction in 2009 roughly correlated with the top 20% or so of the nation’s households by wealth; i.e., the mortgage interest deduction is a tax giveaway to the rich.
Aside from getting a piece of the American dream, one of the reasons people ostensibly buy homes in the U.S. is for a nice tax break. About 35 million households claimed the mortgage interest deduction in 2009, according to a recent report from the Joint Committee on Taxation.
In fact, the mortgage interest deduction is the largest subsidy for homeowners and the nation’s third-largest tax break, according to the Center for American Progress, a liberal policy research group.
But the mortgage interest deduction also costs the U.S. Treasury about $100 billion a year, which is why lawmakers are looking for ways to abolish it in the debt crisis negotiations.
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Comment by oxide
2011-08-18 06:49:26
Here’s the sum-up line: “The average benefit to a middle-income taxpayer (making $50,000 to $75,000) is $1,227, while the average benefit for a high-income taxpayer (above $200,000) is $6,650.”
Can’t wait to use this one on my future re-al-TOR.
Comment by michael
2011-08-18 06:54:06
“3) the people it benefits most are wealthy and capable of buying a home without it. ”
try the banks…it’s nothing more than a bank subsidy.
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-18 07:53:16
Ending the MID would probably not affect the middle earth house buyer at all because house prices would adjust down to fit the “how much a month” market makers.
Comment by Overtaxed
2011-08-18 11:11:25
Ahh, so refreshing to have others see it the same way. I’m a huge beneficiary of the MID, but, yes, I think it’s totally unfair and terribly slanted towards those with higher incomes. I used to hear Realtors talking all the time to young, married couples looking at a small condo (call it 150K) “think of how much you’ll save on taxes”. It’s hard for most people to calculate, so many just “go with it” and figure they will get a huge break.
Sad news folks. To use the MID, you have to give up the standard deduction (which is about 10K now for a married couple). Your property taxes will also be deductible, so, MAYBE the first few years you’ll have a few hundred bucks. After that, nada.
Now, for me, that’s a totally different story. My property taxes are almost double the standard deduction (single, not married). Add the interest on a big loan; it’s a huge savings. Every dollar of interest that I spend is untaxed (because the property tax gets me there before I pay a single dime on my MTG).
Unfortunately, next year I get married, and that will knock the tax gravytrain down a bit for me. Right now we both file as single, she takes the STD, and I take all the itemized deductions. It’s a pretty big savings. And, because we weren’t married, we were also able to get the 8K tax credit to buy the house (our combined would have been too much, but my SO didn’t top out over the limit). Being “unmarried, living together” has saved us about 25K (8K of that being the tax credit) over the past 5 years.
Anyway, I digress.. The MID is totally a giveaway to the upper-middle and wealthy. It’s also encourages bad behavior (borrow against the house, it’s deductible) that we should not look to encourage. Either all interest should be deductible (which, IMHO, it should be) or none. The current state of affairs is the worst of both worlds.
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-18 11:41:32
Interest and taxes tend to flow to the same place.
BTW, be careful about those STDs.
Comment by michael
2011-08-18 12:35:38
“borrow against the house, it’s deductible”
only on loans up to 100K.
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-18 12:51:44
“Sad news folks. To use the MID, you have to give up the standard deduction (which is about 10K now for a married couple). Your property taxes will also be deductible, so, MAYBE the first few years you’ll have a few hundred bucks. After that, nada.”
At some point in the past few decades, the standard deduction threshold increased to a level where it takes rather large itemized deductions to clear the bar. Before this, the MID may have offered more tax relief to low-income and middle-class homeowners, but nowadays, unless your interest payments are quite large (like those generated by a $1m mortgages), the MID offers little by way of tax avoidance.
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-18 13:18:30
…nowadays, unless your interest payments are quite large (like those generated by a $1m mortgages), the MID offers little by way of tax avoidance.
Then I’d say that it’s time to give the MID the heave-ho.
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-18 16:28:25
It also can get you student loans, Pell grants welfare food stamps medicaid and a host of other advantages…..all for not tying the knot…..
Sad but not many people throw a 10 year living together party.
Being “unmarried, living together” has saved us about 25K
Comment by Overtaxed
2011-08-18 17:50:39
PB,
I agree with you, but even in the mid-high tier (500K house) the MID is very valuable. My property taxes are almost over the married standard deduction (about 9K a year). So almost every dollar of my interest is deductible (and that’s assuming I’m married, which I’m not, so the situation is even better). Welcome to FL, the land of massive property tax bills.
Rough numbers, this year my property taxes are about 9K, and I’m going to pay about 20K in interest.
As you can see, that’s a really big deal (for tax purposes). I give up a 5K to get almost 30K in deductions. That’s real money, it’s probably worth 7-10K a year (because I have other deductions that I can take as well that I wouldn’t be able to use if I didn’t itemize) to me; certainly not pocket change. An even bigger deal if I make it to the 35% bracket this year.
What happens to the 50 million or so home owners that bought with the MID in place ??
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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-18 07:51:53
Many won’t be affected, especially if the standard deduction is increased. It will affect the McMansion and jumbo mortgage crowd the most.
Comment by SV guy
2011-08-18 07:51:54
“What happens to the 50 million or so home owners that bought with the MID in place ??”
I think our government has demonstrated an ala-carte attitude towards contract law.
The GM bond holders being one example.
Comment by Kirisdad
2011-08-18 07:59:42
“What happens to the 50 million or so home owners that bought with the MID in place??”
They start paying off their mortgage faster and never take MEW’s. All good.
How ?? Their house payment is their biggest single expense…The interest deduction increases their after tax income by lets say 30%…If you eliminate the MID without any offset, its a immediate 30% increase in their carrying costs…It could easily push many millions under water thereby compounding the foreclosure problem…
I have no heartburn with elimination of the MID…My question is what you do with the people who are currently using it particularly those in high loan to value situations…
Comment by polly
2011-08-18 08:42:07
You aren’t paying attention to the math. It doesn’t increase their carrying costs by anywhere near that much, especially in states without an income tax. For the gigantic mass in the middle, they do just as well, or nearly as well by taking the standard deduction.
I blame Turbo Tax for the fact that people don’t know this. They just let the software do the calculation and may not even realize they while they typed in the numbers, in the end they aren’t taking the mortgage interest deduction at all because using the standard one was better for them.
Comment by eastcoaster
2011-08-18 08:53:11
After buying my house last year, I - for the first time in my life - itemized my taxes. And it resulted in a decent return. I will survive if MID is done away with, but I wouldn’t mind getting that deduction for at least a few (or several) more years since A) I’m paying so much interest right now and B) I finally qualify for itemizing after 25+ years in the work force.
Comment by polly
2011-08-18 09:31:48
OK, eastcoaster, tell us your family income. Are you in the $50K to $75K crowd, or higher? And how much would your effective payment on the house be without the deduction? Would it increase 30% as dave claims if you took the standard deduction instead?
And being on the east coast, I assume you have a state income tax (or are you in New Hampshire?). What would your results be if you didn’t have that?
Comment by eastcoaster
2011-08-18 10:18:53
I’m in the lower end of the $50K to $75K crowd. I don’t have my tax paperwork handy to figure out the difference, but I can say the difference between the last 2 years returns is just over $2,000.00 (1st year = std deduc = $725; 2nd year = itemize = $2786).
Yes, we have state income tax (PA). 3.07% or something around there.
Comment by eastcoaster
2011-08-18 10:20:38
I mean, I don’t have the paperwork handy to do the exact math if I used the std. deduction this year vs. itemize. I just dug up the differences from deposits made to my bank account for the past 2 years.
Comment by Overtaxed
2011-08-18 11:13:53
The only “fair” thing to do is eliminate the MID going forward, and grandfather all those with it (myself included) in their current loans. Home prices would immediately drop 5-15% (higher priced homes falling more) to make up for the increased carrying costs. It’s not fair (or politically possible, IMHO) to hit those of us with homes twice; now we pay tax on the MTG interest, and have a loan that’s too big?
they do just as well, or nearly as well by taking the standard deduction ??
Well, I must say I am not that brushed up on the effect of standard deduction so maybe I am wrong about the elimination of the MID having a broad effect on existing mortgagors…..
Comment by eastcoaster
2011-08-18 11:47:03
Overtaxed, what do you mean by, “…grandfather all those with it in their current loans”? You mean anyone who currently has a mortgage and uses the deduction can continue, but no new homeowners can claim it? I’m tripped up over the “in their current loans” wording.
Comment by polly
2011-08-18 12:27:58
scdave,
Let us assume that for potential homebuyer A, the standard deduction is $10,000. He has no state income tax to deduct. If he buys a house he can deduct all the mortgage interest he pays (the overwhelming majority of the payments in the early years) plus his property taxes. If those expenses are $10,000 or less (and he doesn’t have any other deductible amounts like health care costs above 7.5% of income or charitable contributions) then he get NO benefit at all from the deductibility of mortgage interest. None.
I would get a fairly high benefit if I were to buy, because my state and local income taxes by themselves make it better to itemize. But the benefit might not be the same as my marginal rate because 1) my highest marginal rate only applies to the last few thousand dollars of my income and 2) the alternate minimum tax might reduce the benefit.
That is how it works. If your itemized deductions only take you a little bit above your standard deduction, the benefit is minimal.
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-18 12:53:10
“I will survive if MID is done away with,…”
One would hope the MID would be grandfathered in for existing loans; not sure what exactly the law says on this? (Polly?!…)
Comment by polly
2011-08-18 13:12:11
The law would say what it says when/if they write it. There is no rule that says they have to grandfather such a benefit in for exisiting mortgages. Politically, it is fairly likely that some sort of grandfathering or phase out would happen. Actually, politcally, it is fairly likely it won’t happen at all, but there is no “rule” other than the one that is written, passed and signed.
Comment by eastcoaster
2011-08-18 13:52:03
It just occurred to me, too, that the deduction I took last year was only for ~6 months of interest as I settled in late May. This year I will have double the amount to deduct.
Well if I am reading your material correct it sounds like the lower end of the income spectrum will not be effected either way…So, higher end earners that itemize with fairly substantial mortgages are the possible loser’s, particularly in the high real estate tax area’s…
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-18 14:26:11
When they removed the tax deduction for interest on general debts, there was no grandfathering, just a little advance warning. Those who could rebalanced debt to the house or a business.
Comment by Pete
2011-08-18 15:02:05
“they do just as well, or nearly as well by taking the standard deduction ??”
If you’re single, the standard deduction is under 6000, so the mortgage interest deduction makes sense in more cases.
But if you’re married filing jointly, the standard deduction is 11,500, or very close to that. We just bought our house, so it’s almost all interest payments now. Say, 7500 this year. Unless we rack up some dental bills, it doesn’t help. If we were able to deduct the whole PITI, it would be about the same.
Comment by polly
2011-08-18 15:03:46
You probably were able to deduct “points” or some other start up costs in the first year that would not apply in other years, so I doubt the deduction will be double.
Umm…this is a little judgemental, but this is the sort of financial information you should have been so intimately aware of that you remember most of it a little more than a year later. Just sayin’……
Comment by Overtaxed
2011-08-18 15:09:41
“You mean anyone who currently has a mortgage and uses the deduction can continue, but no new homeowners can claim it? I’m tripped up over the “in their current loans” wording.”
Exactly. If you have a loan today, and they change the rules tomorrow, you can (for the life of the loan you currently have) still deduct the interest. IMHO (and, granted, my view is slanted because this is my situation), people who purchased with the MID should not be changed retroactively. That’s like changing a contract after the fact; I went in with the knowledge that the vast majority of my payment was going to be tax deductible, changing that “mid stream” just doesn’t seem fair. Especially since (and this is a good thing) the value of my home would also drop 10% or so overnight (without the MID for a new buyer); seems like “double taxation”. However, my view is not objective, this would hurt me badly, so I can’t really view it objectively.
Frankly, what they should do is either make all debts deductible (which, IMHO, is probably the right answer; as all debts are deductible for a business; why punish individuals?) or none of them.
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-18 16:36:02
That would be Fair…also add you cannot re-fi unless the new loan was a lower total amount outstanding
for the life of the loan you currently have
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-18 17:09:12
Changing course is the way government subsidies have always worked. You need to be quick to jump on the gravy train and flexible enough to jump off when the sucker punch comes around. Sorry. Course, debt is slavery.
So the rich, who alone have done quite well in the new economy, get to continue to pay the some of the lowest rates in modern history, while everyone else has to sacrifice? Sounds fair- if you’re rich, illogical, or a paid stooge.
We would still need to get real on our spending to have a sustainable future.
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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-18 09:30:37
Yes, and the rich will again have to pay their fair share, no matter how much that seems to irk you.
You can’t fool all of the people, all of the time.
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-18 11:11:13
It doesn’t irk me that the rich should pay lots of taxes at all! I’m suggesting that a comprehensive solution to our debt problems involves more than that. Sorry to piss in your wheaties!
I would be in favor of rebalancing tax rates up or down* (try not to laugh) as well as a drastically reduced level of both state and
federal government.
* I am thinking post financial apocalypse with near zero debt.
Just because you can’t solve the problem completely by “soaking the rich” doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be part of the solution. An unbiased look at historical spending and taxes tells you that spending needs to be cut AND taxes need to increase.
“I am amazed at many folks hope of soaking the rich…Government needs to cut spending. Period.”
Ok, maybe some of that “soak the rich” talk is just an emotional reaction. But so is the reaction of others to the food stamp program/medicare/insert govt. program here.
I think most reasonable people realize that we need to both raise taxes on the very wealthy, and cut spending, in moderation and over time. I don’t know anyone who’s suggesting that taxing the ultra-rich more is the magic bullet. It’s just one more piece of the puzzle.
Car dealers fear economy could scare off buyers
Stock market swings, jittery buyers threaten to stall US car and truck sales
STERLING HEIGHTS, Mich. (AP) — Jeff Swanson was in the market for a new car just a few weeks ago. Then the stock market went crazy.
So Swanson, 25, decided to keep his 10-year-old Pontiac Grand Prix for at least another year. Gyrations in stocks and talk of a weakening economy rattled Swanson’s confidence about taking on another payment, even though his new job running a home for mentally disabled people seems to be secure.
“Everywhere you turn, other people are saying `Oh, I lost my job this week. I lost my job last week,’” says Swanson, who works for a non-profit that gets money from the state. “I want to be a little bit financially set in case something like that happens.”
It’s an increasingly common reaction among would-be car buyers that has dealers and automakers worried. In May, many believed sales would reach a healthy 13.5 million this year — halfway between their peak in 2005 and their 30-year low in 2009. Now, such forecasts seem overly optimistic. Analysts say the swoon in financial markets and economic uncertainty could reduce auto sales by a few percentage points, shrink earnings and delay hiring in an industry that has been a recent leader in job creation.
“If it keeps going this way, yes, it’s going to hurt business,” says Jerry Seiner, who runs a group of dealerships in the Salt Lake City area that includes General Motors, Nissan and Kia.
Any reduction in sales would be especially painful for Toyota and Honda dealers, who are just starting to restock their showrooms after months of shortages brought on by Japan’s earthquake.
In a sign of how sensitive buyers have become to stock swings, showrooms are active on days the market is up, but empty when it’s down, Seiner says. The Dow Jones industrial average has fallen 10 percent since July 22, with wild swings up and down along the way.
Gilbert Baldwin, 66, a retired auto worker from Ypsilanti, Mich., decided to wait for the market to stabilize before replacing his 2002 Ford Explorer. He was shopping for a new car last month, but now he’s worried about higher gas and food prices and the possibility of Social Security cuts as Congress looks for ways to cut the deficit.
The lack of confidence isn’t what car dealers want to hear, especially in August, usually a strong sales month as dealers clear lots of 2011 models to make room for 2012 cars and trucks. Carmakers report August sales in the U.S. on Sept. 1.
In the Washington, D.C., area, which is likely to be hit by government spending cuts, sales at Tammy Darvish’s chain of about two-dozen dealerships fell by more than 2 percent in early August. She’s worried the slow pace could continue for the rest of the month.
But dealers say sales likely won’t collapse in the second half of 2011, as they did in 2009. That’s because banks are lending more freely, and lease deals, which went away during the recession, are making a comeback. Also, older cars will still need to be replaced. The average age of a car in the U.S. is 10.6 years, up more than a full year from 2008, according to the research firm Polk.
All these flag-wavin’ Americans love to preach personal responsibility. But when the customers are suddenly personally responsible, they start to complain.
And you bet your Joshua tree people are sensitive to the DOW. That’s our 401K in there, and if certain folks have their way, it will be our Social Security and maybe our Medicare too. The masses are waking up to the fact that the big boyz are playing with other people’s labor.
All these flag-wavin’ Americans love to preach personal responsibility. But when the customers are suddenly personally responsible, they start to complain.
“The paradox of thrift is a central component of Keynesian economics”
wikipedia
There’s our favorite economist again, CarrieAnn. We’ll go back to his theories, after we’ve exhausted all the other false, temporary solutions. We currently finishing off monetarism. Next up, Austrian School let-’er-crash austerity. (Two systems that have already failed in the past, but ‘this time is different’ people like to think.)
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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-18 08:03:10
To get back to his theories, we will need to fill the graineries during the years of plenty. Plenty of time on our hands until then to eradicate the rats and disinfect the place.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-18 09:33:43
“we will need to fill the graineries during the years of plenty. ”
Oh yes, we were doing so well before WW2. But I do seem to recall something about a Depression thingie. And then, I guess that big war cost a bit too.
“Plenty of time on our hands until then to eradicate the rats and disinfect the place.”
Hey, great to see you getting in the WW2 spirit! Too bad your mouthing the opposing side’s lines.
Comment by oxide
2011-08-18 10:56:57
alpha, you don’t have to go back that far. Clinton was poised to fill those empty granaries too.
The Bushy-tail came along and said, nope, don’t have to fill the granary any more — but let’s send some stored grain to Lockheed and Boeing!
We’ve been buying grain ever since.
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-18 10:59:24
Wasn’t part of Keynes’ dream to save when things are good so that you can open the spill gates when things are stagnant?
Who is that; the “opposing side”? By rats, I am thinking corrupt politicians who act in the interests of Big Donors rather than their folks back home. Is that what the opposing side wants to get rid of?
Comment by measton
2011-08-18 11:34:26
When times are good they want to strangle the goose and get the last egg.
When times are bad they want the gov to bail them out with cash.
Then they sit on the cash and push policies that will cause an utter collapse so they can jump in and buy up everything.
That’s what WS elite and bankers do.
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-18 13:22:45
“Next up, Austrian School let-’er-crash austerity.”
Never will get there, because the Keynesian disciples will step in with more bailouts, setting the plate for future bubbles and bubble collapses, long before irrational exuberance is finally drummed out of asset prices.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-18 19:23:52
“Never will get there,”
Apparently the Brits are willing to try it, so we can learn from them and save ourselves the trouble.
Agreed. It seems more people are just saving and paying down their debts, which isn’t a bad thing. For a consumer based economy - yes, but for personal responsibility - no.
I paid off my car a few months ago and have been making the same payment into my savings, thinking I was going to purchase a new one at the end of the year or next year. After searching around for cars I’ve decided to forgo the $20,000-$35,000 new car and just keep what I have. It isnt the fanciest ride, but I like it and it works.
On top of that, my next car will probably be a used mid-sized SUV, not a shiny new one off the showroom floor. Im married with two kids - dont necessarily have to buy a new car to show off. Id rather save and buy used.
Having spent a long time in the car business, I learned a -long- time ago that purchasing anything new or stupid expensive was a downright stupid financial decision. It doesn’t make sense on any level, even at the high-end (hell - especially on the high end). A couple year old high-end mercedes with low miles and perfect inside/out is -ridiculously- cheaper than it’s brand-new sister. A 2 year old kia rio is half the price of a new one, or less. I never understood why people on a tight budget would stretch themselves to the absolute limit to buy a -new bottom-tier automobile stripped of options. Going 1 or 2 years older meant half the payment with virtually no downside.
Even when I was at the peak of my career making a high income running a Honda internet dept I was commuting to work by road-bicycle. I bought my wife a pre-enjoyed 3000$ 60,000 mile 99 saturn SL2 to use as a commuter. I saw no point in dumping my hard earned money into a huge flaming pit.
Fast forward to today, that saturn sl2 has 180,000 miles on it. 120k miles and I’ve spent roughly 1100$-1200$ total keeping it going this whole time (had my “hispanic mechanic” replace a motor at 120k for 700$, tires, brakes, serpentine belt, alternator). It’s been dirt cheap to insure, dirt cheap to drive, high on gas mileage and low on trouble. Unfortunately, the paint decided to give up the ghost. Since happy wife = happy life, I decided it was time to buy a new car she wasn’t embarassed to be seen in (plus, we need a second auto asap due to me starting the teaching program - I’ll be doing in-class internships and need a vehicle to get my son to a babysitter).
Picked up a 2003 saturn vue - 80,000 miles, v6, awd, well equipped and absolutely flawless inside and out (old person owned/operated). 4500$. Looks brand new, was a 23,000$ vehicle back in 03 and looks as good as any small suv built today (dent resistant panels = no dings, stupid clean).
I used to laugh at people who’d come in and dump 20k+ on a car for their kid, or insist on a Honda even though it was 10,000$ more than a comparable domestic. A coworker harassed me way back when I bought that saturn SL2, asked why I hadn’t bought a civic since they are “soooooooooo much more reliable”. I calmly explained that the 7,000$ cheaper saturn could burn through half a dozen engines or transmissions before it’d cost less to own the Civic. His response? “Resale value man, resale value!”. Clearly he was a lost cause :).
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Comment by Sean
2011-08-18 09:23:28
Funny you mentioned Saturns. We’ve had a few of them and it was about the lowest maintenance/best car we’ve ever owned. My wife loved them so much she just bought a 2008 VUE, and she joked she wanted to get a Sky as a sports car in a few years. I think its a shame they had to kill Saturn - IMO a great line of cars that would do well in todays “Go smaller and stretch your value” consumer market.
My friends bought a brand new Toyota Sienna. He was laid off of his job and worried about cash, then got a new job a few months later. His wife INSISTED on a brand new, out of the box Sienna. When I mentioned a used one and saving the money she plainly said “No, I dont want someone elses problem - and Toyota is the best.”
Especially with kids, I dont know why someone would buy a new car. Have you seen what two toddlers can do to the interior of a car? Save the cash, buy used and be happy its paid off.
Comment by ncinerate
2011-08-18 10:32:02
Saturns are fine cars - as long as you do your research first and know about the occasional “pitfall”. I guess the same could be said for any brand though…
For example, the older automatic transmission 4 cylinder Saturn Vue’s (and ions) paired a fine ecotec engine, with a NOT FINE fiat CVT transmission. The transmission is absolute trash and many owners went through 3-4 of them during the 75,000 mile warranty period (the warranty was expanded due to the massive failure rate). Replacement of the CVT in the vue out-of-warranty costs in excess of 5,000$. I believe they finally stopped putting these stupid transmissions in the vue around 2005, so buyer beware. I was specifically looking for a V6 due to this.
You can go on craigslist right now and find plenty of cheap and even reasonably low mileage 2002-2004 4 cylinder+CVT saturn vue’s just begging you to own them. If you didn’t do a bit of research you’d get completely shafted. Caveat emptor, I suppose.
Even the SL2’s had a small secret - they use oil. Design flaw on the engine (imho), no oil return holes on the pistons. Over time the rings get carbon crusted and start little little amounts of oil squirt past and burn off. It’s not a huge deal but it means over 100k miles you’re looking at adding a quart every 1000-1500 miles. The reason this is a problem is simple: most people these days never bother to check their oil. With only a 4 quart capacity, if you drive 3000-4000 miles between oil changes you will quite literally run the car out of oil. The idiot light may or may not come on at around 1 quart remaining. Almost every single dead SL2 I’ve come across was a result of a burned-up out-of-oil motor :).
All that aside - it is a shame they killed saturn, but honestly, by the time they “killed” it saturn was already dead. As soon as they replaced the entire unique saturn line with a bunch of rebadged GM vehicles it was over. No more dent resistant easily repairable composite panels, no more unique saturn-designed vehicles. It was a burned out husk at the end. There was huge promise and they had some great and reliable technology to build upon, but they let the whole brand die on the vine.
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-18 11:44:13
My wife loved them so much she just bought a 2008 VUE
Will someone explain to me why as soon as you get a new job you just have to buy a new car? I remember a close HS friend who didn’t want to go to college so instead at 18 got a job in the mail room at Xerox and by the 3rd paycheck he had a new car…
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So Swanson, 25…even though his new job running a home for mentally disabled people seems to be secure.
In most of the country a “nice” car is easy to rationalize as
1) a new car under warranty gives a (perhaps illusory) feeling of security against repair bills
2) if you buy a new car that gets better mileage you can tell yourself you’re saving money (if you ignore the cost of payments and higher insurance) and the planet (if you ignore the inputs of manufacturing).
3) it is a very public status symbol that might get you dates.
“Gyrations in stocks and talk of a weakening economy rattled Swanson’s confidence about taking on another payment…”
Is it just me, or does anyone else out there buy vehicles without payments? There seems to be this automatic assumption that you can’t buy a car without a loan, or maybe it was a preference of the dealers to convince us payments were normal.
“Also, older cars will still need to be replaced.”
Not so fast. I know of 2 couples who downsized from 2 to 1 vehicles in the last few years. Not exactly a tidal wave, but I’m not in a hard hit area either. I bet the dealers are watching the trends in public transport with a gleam in their eyes.
Most all supermarkets have people to deliver your groceries. No real need to have a car here.
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Comment by whyoung
2011-08-18 10:01:32
In NYC yes, elsewhere no.
Comment by MrBubble
2011-08-18 12:36:35
Axiom rear rack with two Nashbar panniers with 640 cubic inch drybags, a back pack and bungee chords for TP on top of the rack will get you tons of groceries. I am looking into a front rack with panniers to carry even more.
And I’ve got $400 cash mo-nay from not taking the ferry/paying the car toll the last four months. And 1600 miles ridden = 16 pounds lost.
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-18 13:22:13
Axiom rear rack with two Nashbar panniers with 640 cubic inch drybags, a back pack and bungee chords for TP on top of the rack will get you tons of groceries. I am looking into a front rack with panniers to carry even more.
Next thing you know, you’ll be getting a bike trailer so that you can really haul the stuff. Speaking of which, take a gander at what I recently brought home with my trailer:
Busted up concrete.
Yup, that’s right. Good old urbanite. Took a few trips to haul it all home, but I was on a bike and what could be better?
Nice work! I am still weighing my options of how to “portage” the bambino once he turns 1: trailer, Surly Big Dummy with a comfy car seat to keep him off the axle for less shaking, rear seat on the current bike, front seat. So many choices!
“What’s a dazzling young urbanite like yourself doing in a place like this?” — The Waco Kid
Not so fast. I know of 2 couples who downsized from 2 to 1 vehicles in the last few years. Not exactly a tidal wave, but I’m not in a hard hit area either. I bet the dealers are watching the trends in public transport with a gleam in their eyes.
In my little neck of the woods, people are talking about getting rid of their cars. Or replacing one of the cars with a bicycle.
At some point, the fleet will age so much that driving will have to be cut back. Unfortunately, mass transit is also being cut due to fiscal crises, debt and pensions, and most people aren’t near it.
That leaves bicycles, carpools, and telecommuting.
And you might want to change that suburban zoning, so people can push their shopping cart to at least one store.
Eventually they will replace their vehicles, but J6P will be buying a compact car and not an SUV or a truck. This might be China’s chance to get its foot into the US market with cheaper cars.
The big 3 and to a lesser extent the Japanese and Koreans are addicted to selling trucks and SUVs. The Japanese and Koreans should be able to adapt quickly as they have smaller designs in their home markets. Ford and GM do have foreign subsidiaries that have designs they could leverage, Chrysler will probably end up being a distributor for Fiat.
It’s healthier than it was. If I remember correctly we didn’t even top 10.5 million back in 2009 - and that was even with the whole cash for clunkers joke.
I still have plenty of friends in the biz and I’m not hearing about dramatic slowdowns etc. The exception of course being my honda/toyota friends - the local Honda store was down to 22 new cars on the lot last month with only 2 incoming in the next 30 days, this at a store that ordinarily went through over 100-200 new Hondas EVERY month. The earthquake really screwed up their supply situation.
A quick look at the current sales numbers more or less confirms what I’m hearing.
Sales up from last year almost across the board in July at least - with remarkable drops in Honda/Toyota (over 20% each). I imagine August will look similar when the data hits (possibly with a larger drop for Honda at the very least).
Course, I don’t see 13.5 million sales this year either. I’d put my bets on 11.5-12 million tops - things always slow down as you hit the tail-end of the year.
So will the “justice” dept. investigate Moodys and Fitch? I highly doubt it. Wonder why they launched this investigation?
~CNBC
ITEM:The Justice Department is investigating whether the nation’s largest credit ratings agency, Standard & Poor’s, improperly rated dozens of mortgage securities in the years leading up to the financial crisis, according to two people interviewed by the government and another briefed on such interviews.
The investigation began before Standard & Poor’s cut the United States’ AAA credit rating this month, but it is likely to add fuel to the political firestorm that has surrounded that action. Lawmakers and some administration officials have since questioned the agency’s secretive process, its credibility and the competence of its analysts, claiming to have found an error in its debt calculations.
In the mortgage inquiry, the Justice Department has been asking about instances in which the company’s analysts wanted to award lower ratings on mortgage bonds but may have been overruled by other S.& P. business managers, according to the people with knowledge of the interviews. If the government finds enough evidence to support such a case, which is likely to be a civil case, it could undercut S.& P.’s longstanding claim that its analysts act independently from business concerns.
“The investigation began before Standard & Poor’s cut the United States’ AAA credit rating this month,”
If the investigation started before the downgrade, then it sounds more like the downgrade was in response to the investigation- not the other way around.
U.S. Senator Charles Grassley asked the Securities and Exchange Commission to answer allegations that the agency destroyed files from initial investigations of firms including Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS), SAC Capital Advisors LP and Bernard Madoff Investment Securities LLC.
Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, made the request in a letter to SEC Chairman Mary Schapiro dated yesterday, citing claims by an agency employee that more than 9,000 such files have been purged. The Iowa lawmaker asked Schapiro to explain whether the SEC routinely destroys documents related to so-called matters under investigation that are dropped in their initial phases.
“It doesn’t make sense that an agency responsible for investigations would want to get rid of potential evidence,” Grassley said in a statement. “If these charges are true, the agency needs to explain why it destroyed documents, how many documents it destroyed over what timeframe, and to what extent its actions were consistent with the law.”
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I’m of the mind that the Justice Department is finally starting to get its case-building machine into high gear. Watch for some real barn-burners in the coming months, people. I don’t think that a US v. Goldman Sachs will be out of the question.
I’d like to see Elizabeth Warren drafting the charges, and someone serious like Stanley McChrystal and ten thousand hardened troops arresting these criminals in a round up that would require the FAA to ground all flights out of the country for a week. The country is being robbed blind, and the supreme court sits idle in silence. The financial corruption has metastasized to every regulatory organ of our country; it’s time for a good cleansing, a real purge.
I think the question is which came first the chicken or the egg.
I remember hearing about early stages of an investigation against the rating agencies a year ago. S and P and issued warnings and I believe many were thinking S and P was issuing warnings to ward off or later invalidate an investigation.
Apparently the inconvenience of back loading taxpayer payouts to insolvent banks CEOs was too onerous.
As losses accelerate at Flagstar so do “supplemental” pension payments to Mr. Campanelli. Nearly four million in 2010…nice
From the 2011 Flagstar def14a:
The SERP provides a lump sum payment equal to the actuarial equivalent of an accrued annual benefit payable for 23 years. The annual benefit is the sum of monthly accruals of 1.022% of Mr. Campanelli’s eligible compensation, for a maximum of 60 months provided Mr. Campanelli is employed by us on the date of each such monthly accrual. Eligible compensation includes base salary and share salary. The accrued annual benefit equals the annual benefit less any other retirement benefits provided and funded by us, as well as 50% of the benefits to which Mr. Campanelli is entitled from Social Security. As of December 31, 2010, the aggregate of the monthly accruals with respect to the SERP was $406,245 and the actuarial equivalent of the lump sum payment of such amount for 23 years was $4,752,587. The amount accrued with respect to the supplemental retirement pension, assuming a discount rate of 4.25%, in 2010 was $3,822,124 and, in total, $4,752,587 has been accrued since Mr. Campanelli joined us in 2009.
They want their money now!
Refinancing of TARP CPP Funds
The bill calls on the Treasury to implement regulations to permit eligible institutions to refinance securities issued under the CDCI and the CPP for securities to be issued under the Small Business Lending Fund. While this refinancing would not provide any additional capital, it could both reduce the carrying costs of the capital and eliminate many of the executive compensation restrictions required under TARP. Accordingly, we would expect most eligible institutions with CPP funds to give serious consideration to refinancing. However, institutions that have missed more than one dividend payment due under their existing CPP funds are not eligible refinance under the Small Business Lending Fund.
Not TARP, but…
The Senate-adopted bill makes clear that the Small Business Lending Fund program is being established as separate and distinct from the Troubled Asset Relief Program, and that institutions shall not, by virtue of a capital investment under the program, be considered a recipient of TARP funds. Accordingly, the executive compensation restrictions that apply to TARP participants will not apply to institutions participating solely in the Small Business Lending Fund.
However, Congress cannot control public opinion or the news media, and therefore participants in the Small Business Lending Fund program may be painted with the same broad (and negative) brush as TARP recipients. If the program is to prove successful, the administration will need to emphasize both the investment nature of the Small Business Lending Fund and the tangible incentives to encourage lending.
Moreover, the bill permits the Treasury Secretary to implement additional terms “in order to manage risks associated with the administration of the Fund in a manner consistent with the purposes of this subtitle.” Accordingly, while the existing TARP executive compensation restrictions do not apply, the Treasury could, if it desires, implement comparable regulations for participants in the Small Business Lending Fund.
Farmington Valley lender SBT Bancorp’s partnership with federal taxpayers to boost small business lending offers benefits for both sides, authorities say.
Better still, terms of the new capital arrangement are less onerous than the conditions that accompanied the TARP funding, he said. For instance, TARP limited how much compensation recipients’ top executives could receive.
“It’s a great benefit to the bank, to the shareholders, to the community.” Bisceglio said.
If you elect me president I promise candy crapping unicorns, rainbows and big pots of gold. The entire republican primary has turned into something like a freak show.
They hate Ron Paul, in case you haven’t seen this (Jon Stewart on Ron Paul): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EY5Ofcxjs0
…how did Ron Paul become the 13th floor in a hotel?
Will be fascinating to watch if this ends up happening. Seems blatantly attempting to marginalize him could backfire. People are awfully tired of the political machine right now and I’m sure more than a few people already look at how the media is treating Ron Paul and getting frustrated. And the fact that Jon Stewart pointed it out on his show should open a lot of eyes that weren’t open before.
Although the Mormon Republican presidential candidates have the good sense to avoid putting religion front and center in their campaigns, non-Mormon Republican candidates do not. There is a hint of “my fundamentalist religious belief is better than yours, because I’m not a Mormon” to the pronouncements of the latter group of religious zealots along the campaign trail. The disciples of Republican candidates of various fundamentalist religious stripes threaten to split the vote.
Got popcorn?
Wednesday, Aug 17, 2011 21:02 ET
Getting to know the Tea Party
It’s the GOP’s white conservative base in silly costumes. Why couldn’t the media figure that out sooner?
By Joan Walsh
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Their far-right religious zealotry is an old story too. We act as though the separation of church and state was a question settled by the Founders, but from the country’s earliest days many Americans believed that only white Protestants are qualified for democracy. There’s a through-line from the evangelical Protestants who burned down Catholic churches and convents in the 19th century, who believed in a religious test for American citizenship, to Texas Gov. Rick Perry and his evangelical-Christians-only Christapalooza in Houston last weekend. Perry’s preacher friends include Catholic bashers who’d make Lyman Beecher proud. We’ve been fighting this impulse for a long time.
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Or she could just crash the economy which is a more likely scenario for getting to $2/gal gas if it were to occur. She seems to be capable of that if little else.
Not easy to do. In 1/2009 we were in the midst of a recession, that’s why crude prices were low, around $40 due to margin calls and forced liquidation. Not but a year earlier crude prices were in the $100+ range in case you forgot. Are you suggesting to crash the economy so we can enjoy lower gas prices? Bachmann might be the right candidate to do just that.
Ron Paul isnt going to get the nomination. It just wont happen. Like the Daily Show clip showed, they cant even talk about the guy let alone get fired up about him.
However, if he ran as an Independent and we have Perry vs. Obama vs. Paul………I really think Ron Paul could beat out both of them. Some will say Paul takes the votes from Perry and Obama wins, but I just dont think that would be the case. Paul has the young vote, he has the Tea Party vote, and he is the oldest candidate - which means he’ll grab the senior vote. Could get interesting.
“he is the oldest candidate - which means he’ll grab the senior vote. ”
LOL That’s all it takes?
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Comment by Sean
2011-08-18 07:16:13
Yes. That, and discounts at the early bird.
Comment by polly
2011-08-18 08:52:08
What exactly is Paul’s plan for dismantling Social Security?
Give everyone who has paid in what they have paid in and bill everyone who has gotten more than they paid in the difference? That would be reasonably consistent with his philosophy.
Give everyone who has paid in what they have paid in ??
Fine…I will take that but;
I want a rate of return equal to the rate of inflation plus 2%, for each year, compounded every year I contributed…The 2% in excess of the rate of inflation is because the rate of inflation is typically the lower bar of which I believe I could have earned…And, while your at it, if your going to means test me or take away the Medicare program that I have paid into, I want the same buyout for that….Where do I Sign up ??…
“Paul has the young vote, he has the Tea Party vote”
No he doesn’t. The Tea Party wants their gov cheese even though they don’t admit it. The young vote wants real jobs.
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Comment by SV guy
2011-08-18 08:17:05
There is still a group of hardcore TP’s that still believe in the goal of a drastically reduced government. They don’t participate in the co-opted version of the party at all.
Theses people know they are going to take a major hit in the reset. These aren’t the people you see on the television.
Comment by michael
2011-08-18 09:39:01
if paul won and got what he wanted…he would be a one term president.
financial pain and suffering would abound. most people (including here) will say he is the worst president in history.
the country would be better off in the future and 100 years from now they would be saying something entirely different about Ron Paul.
just like Britain needed a Churchill…the U.S. needs a Ron Paul.
just a thought.
Comment by measton
2011-08-18 15:21:46
I think he’s close to 80 so likely a 1 term president anyway.
Comment by Max Power
2011-08-18 16:46:20
Yup. Many are starting to realize that this country needs a guy to come in and dismantle the mess that’s been created and Ron Paul is a pretty good choice for the job. Although he’s a republican, he’s clearly not beholden to either party and based on his age, he likely doesn’t care if he gets re-elected. Seems to me he’s the only candidate that offers any real hope of a change from business as usual.
But at least I believe that Ron Paul believes what Ron Paul believes.
He wants people to give up the old age security, education for their children, and infrastructure that people have come to expect in every developed country.
His argument is that the progressive era has ended, the government has returned to being a corrupt robber that benefits people with power only, and we’re going to lose them anyway, so we might as well not pay.
The rest of the Republican Party has been working to prove him right, and for some reason the Democrats have often gone along with it.
The only president I would be 100% in agreement with would be myself.
I like Paul’s idea on ending military adventurism, monetary & fiscal policy, the FED and personal freedom, including the freedom to screw up and get hurt.
From all other candidates, including Obama, I don’t like ANY of their ideas. Most of them don’t even have any ideas or a plan at all. They simply just say stuff they think gets them elected. Once elected they do whatever their campaign donors want them to do. That’s why I felt compelled to post the Bachmann article. She has no clue how the oil/commodity markets work, no clue on oil reserves, no clue on what OPEC will do, no clue on oil exploration and how difficult/expensive it is to produce oil from deep sea, tar sands or the artic.
But she has to open her mouth and make some ridiculous promise. She or Obama or any other politician have almost zero influence over the gasoline price other than lowering taxes. That just goes to show either how stupid or dishonest (or both) she is. Same goes for all these other clowns.
Ron Paul may talk about ending military adventurism, but Obama has actually been doing it, including the prevention of more military adventurism by taking out a leader of the opposition. How quickly we forget!
And before somebody brings up Libya:
“The total direct expenditures to the United States in Libya over the past six months are less than the costs of one week of Iraq or Afghanistan. This amount for Libya includes military operations, humanitarian aid, and non-lethal assistance.
…it can be assumed that U.S. military operations costs in Libya per month are between $60-$80 million, with total current costs around $1 billion. ”
(I’m not debating whether the US should be involved, I’m just saying that the cost is relatively low.)
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Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-08-18 07:47:19
“Ron Paul may talk about ending military adventurism, but Obama has actually been doing it,…”
Really? Last time I checked we’re still involved in Iraq, Afganistan and now Libyia. We still have a military budget the size of the rest of the world combined. I am not saying this is specifically Obama’s fault, it is the fault of all those clowns in Congress.
Comment by oxide
2011-08-18 08:08:58
I give up.
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-18 08:09:44
We must wage war to end war!
WWI: The war to end all wars.
Comment by Steve J
2011-08-18 08:53:12
Don’t forget Somalia and Yeman.
And Pakistan.
Comment by Al
2011-08-18 09:08:24
There was a budget that was calling for 6 new wars over the next 8 years, but the new Obama budget only plans for 2. That’s a savings of .5 wars per year!
Comment by ncinerate
2011-08-18 10:04:23
Obama is all for ending wars. For example, just recently he allowed a whole bunch more of our troops to go on an extended vacation to scenic Afghanistan to take a break from all this “war” stuff. I hear they’re loving it over there, lots of nice scenery and beautiful women.
A few lucky troops got to go to Libya too, for hang-gliding and para-sailing.
I know it’s hard to believe, but Obama has expanded on wartime operations thus-far. Now, I’m just a simple country lawyer, but…. It seems to me that expanding wars, raising war budgets, and opening up new fronts of battle, are not examples of a President who seeks to end war. Killing Osama doesn’t change that. The Nobel Peace Prize doesn’t change that either.
Yes, Obama inherited all of this coming into office. I’m not denying that. I’m just saying that if Obama -REALLY- wanted to end the war, he could end it. Tomorrow. People and gear back on the planes home and it’s over.
Would that lead to stability in Iraq and Afghanistan? Probably no more than the current course of action will.
Of course, the sudden reduction of warmongering spending would absolutely crash the economy at a time where it is very much dependent on the military industrial complex spending and employment. Catch-22, anyone?
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-08-18 10:05:13
War is arguably the ultimate state of human anarchy. Yet, there are those that think they can perdict the costs?
Sorry, to rationalize the arguably much smaller costs of the Libyan adventure will come back to haunt us some other day. Because any such arguments will be used as precedent by some “future Cheney” to sell the idea of a much larger adventure.
It’s never a good idea to let these guys off the hook when it comes to the costs of war, big, small, or otherwise.
Last week I drove through NW New Mexico where there are a ton of oil wells. I would estimate that about 90% of the pumps were idle. When I asked the locals why, their reply was usually something like
“the government wasn’t allowing it” (with their brows raised).
Face it folks, the environmental lobby has control over this administration and much of the government. They would rather shut it down and put a bunch of folks out of work all for the sake of saving the environment (or sticking it to Halliburton).
BTW, if you’ve been to NW New Mexico, there’s not much to it and the people really need the work.
“The most recent rules adopted in May of 2008 by New Mexico’s Oil Conservation Commission call for stricter rules concerning oilfield waste pits, below grade tanks and the use of closed loop systems during oil and gas operations. The new pit rules prohibit the use of unlined pits for oilfield water and increase the requirement for lining oilfield pits from 12 mils to 20 mils to protect against seepage of contaminated materials. Pit proximity to municipal water wells is also prohibited. (See Well Servicing January/February 2009, “Dispute over New Mexico pit rule continues.”)
In his testimony before the Oil Conservation Commission prior to its adoption of the regulations, Gallagher said the changes were unnecessary. “We’ve been producing oil and gas for over 90 years in New Mexico, and there has never been one drop of water delivered to customers that was contaminated by our industry,” he testified. He says the new pit regulations have added $150,000 in operating costs for every new well dug in the state.
…In order to combat the state’s restrictive regulatory policies, Gallagher says the NMOGA will continue to try and educate the regulatory agencies about the industry’s concerns, approaching the issues with sound science and common sense.”
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I guess it’s to up to you to decide if the environment is worth 500 jobs. But honestly, this sounds like a good place for a tax credit. Keep the rules, but ask the gov to pay for it or something similar.
I poked around a little and couldn’t find any numbers as to how much money each well produced, but I imagine it’s more than $150K.
That said, I really don’t like that “common sense” phrase, and I hated the Obama used it this week in his speeches. “Common sense” is fast turning into “serves my agenda.” Same with “educate” which is quickly turning into “dispense propaganda.”
Stupid environment, always getting in the way of our attempts to use millions of years of stored solar energy in 200 years. And to cloak your “arguments” in the promise of jobs? Why didn’t you just say that it was for the children? The children!!!
Here’s a summary of an article in Forbes (no friend of Obama)
Yet, on March 29, a report requested by Obama was released by the Department of Interior showing that more than two-thirds of the offshore leases in the Gulf of Mexico and more than half of the onshore leases on federal lands remain idle, neither producing nor under active exploration by companies who hold those leases to drill.
“We continue to support safe domestic energy production, and as this report shows, millions of acres that have already been leased to the industry for oil and gas production sit idle,” Department of the Interior secretary Ken Salazar said.
In the Gulf of Mexico, 34 million acres with an estimated 11.6 billion barrels of oil have been leased. That means companies can indeed drill in those areas. Only 6.3 million acres are currently being drilled.
On land, 54% of onshore acres under lease, and approved in the last two years, are not undergoing any exploration or development at this time.
There are no easy answers. For starters, Alaska’s Chukchi Sea lease in 2008 is still subject to litigation, so few companies want to tap those resources. Nevertheless, the argument that Washington, and President Obama in particular, is not “drill baby drilling” has no statistical merit, judging by the permits coming back after the BP oil spill, the high rig count, and the tens of millions of federal lands open to drilling, but are not being explored.
NORFOLK, Va., Aug. 11, 2011 /PRNewswire/ — Heritage Bankshares, Inc. (the “Company”) (OTCBB: HBKS), the parent of Heritage Bank (the “Bank”), has completed a $7.8 million investment transaction under the Small Business Lending Fund program (the “SBLF rogram”).Simultaneously with its closing of the SBLF Program transaction, the Company used the SBLF investment proceeds to redeem the full remaining balance of $7.8 million of shares of preferred stock held by the Treasury pursuant to the Company’s participation in the TARP Capital Purchase Program, thereby satisfying its remaining financial obligations under and otherwise ending its participation in the TARP program. The Company had previously redeemed approximately $2.6 million shares of TARP preferred stock in March 2011.
Michael S. Ives, President & CEO of the Company and the Bank, commented:
“As I’ve stated previously, we have no regrets about participating in TARP. However, replacing TARP with an investment under the Small Business Lending Fund program presented a much more attractive option for the Company and our shareholders, and we are delighted to have completed this SBLF transaction. Like TARP, the SBLF preferred stock will count as Tier 1 capital for all regulatory purposes. However, participation in the SBLF has been designed to be less onerous than participation in TARP by, among other things, eliminating restrictions on executive compensation, which could have adversely impacted certain of our strategic growth initiatives. Most importantly, participation in the SBLF provides us with the opportunity to reduce our dividend rate on the SBLF preferred stock to as low as 1%. This dividend reduction should be possible through relatively modest increases in our small business lending, which is our primary lending focus anyway, and in fact it appears that our dividend rate will drop to 1% for the fourth quarter of 2011.
“For the fact is that right now the economy desperately needs a short-run fix. When you’re bleeding profusely from an open wound, you want a doctor who binds that wound up, not a doctor who lectures you on the importance of maintaining a healthy lifestyle as you get older. When millions of willing and able workers are unemployed, and economic potential is going to waste to the tune of almost $1 trillion a year, you want policy makers who work on a fast recovery, not people who lecture you on the need for long-run fiscal sustainability… What would a real response to our problems involve? First of all, it would involve more, not less, government spending”.
Yes, it’s what we should do, and would be able to do if past administrations didn’t insist on running big budget deficits instead of surpluses when the economy was up. And taking the extra money the government was collecting for baby boomer retirement and blowing it — on past tax cuts and spending for baby boomers.
They have succesfully starved the beast. Now is the time to make them absorb the consequences, rather than exempting them and shift all the pain to younger generations.
“…and would be able to do if past administrations didn’t insist on running big budget deficits instead of surpluses when the economy was up”
What is denial really? A masked ob$ervation or a $elf-Delusion Lite refreshment?
Leonard Burman The Impertinent Economist
“Increasing America’s debt weakens us dome$tically and internationally…Instead, Washington Cheney-$hrub is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the back$ of our children and grandchildren”
A Country in Denial About Taxes:
Investing / Forbes / Jul. 12 2011
“Back in the olden days, we acknowledged that wars cost money and didn’t think that our children should pay the entire cost, with interest. (Imagine that!) There were huge tax increases to finance World War II and the Korean War, and fairly significant ones to pay for Vietnam.”
The open wound analogy is poor because sewing up the wound improves the chances of long term health. More debt for a short term juice of the economy worsens the long term outlook.
Tea Party people less popular than many other hated minority groups
Reuters/Kevin Lamarque
There is a shadowy group of malcontents in America today, plotting a grand takeover of our political institutions in order to completely remake the country according to their wishes. Despite the fact the members of this group are a small minority of the population, and an unpopular one at that, they seek to infiltrate the courts and the government at every level, in order to replace our long-standing system of law with their own extremist, undemocratic religious code. These true believers are especially dangerous because they think they’re doing God’s work, and you ignore them, or play down the threat they pose to America, at your own risk. This tiny band of fanatics is largely distrusted and despised by regular Americans, but a terrified media coddles them and pretends they’re harmless. I am speaking, of course, of the Tea Parties, a group now officially less popular among Americans than Muslims.
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These true believers are especially dangerous because
Enough said right there alone.
“TrueBeliever’s™” + “TrueDeceiver’s™” + “TrueHypocrite™” + “TrueAnger™” + “TruePurity™” = The whole #5 “Evangelical Enchilada” wrapped in a white flour tortilla with a little American toothpick flag for decoration.
It is quite understandable. They do not want give more tax, so the benefit of entitlement will have to be cut somehow. And people hate anyone or anything which touches their cakes, no mater they earned it or not.
touches their cakes, no mater they earned it or not ??
I heard a British talking head last weekend regarding this group of people…
“A Government that is big enough to give all the freebie’s is big enough to take it back…Problem is, the people that receive these freebie’s have been marinated in them their entire lives…Some, for generations…They know no other way of living and they don’t want to give it back”….
1. Seems like when people are given the CHOICE - not so many want to join a public union.
2. Funny how the WEAC, when it comes to its OWN budget, will layoff at a drop of the hat. When the state needs to do this with its own reduced budget, they fight it tooth and nail.
3. Maybe the teacher union employees should form a union and to on strike against the teacher’s union.
4. How many MILLIONS did the WEAC spend on the recent recall elections? How many jobs could have been saved?????
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WEAC Demonstrates that Union Solidarity is a Thing of the Past
OpenMarket.org | Aug 17, 2011 | TREY KOVACS
The Wisconsin Education Association Council (WEAC), Wisconsin’s paramount teachers union, issued layoff notices to 40 percent of its staff. Union bosses blame Gov. Scott Walkers “union-busting” legislation as the cause for the layoffs. Executive Director of WEAC Dan Burkhalter declared, “We had to make decisions about this budget year that starts in a couple weeks, based on the number of members we have now.” To summarize, the union had to balance their budget.
“When the state needs to do this with its own reduced budget, they fight it tooth and nail.”
Wisconsin didn’t need to reduce their budget until Gov. Walker decided the wealthiest of the wealthy weren’t doing well enough and needed to pay less in taxes.
Study casts doubt on Tea Party’s origin myth. Angry newcomer independents? No. Old school religious/racist Republicans? Yes.
Crashing the Tea Party
By DAVID E. CAMPBELL and ROBERT D. PUTNAM
Published: August 16, 2011
NYTimes
Beginning in 2006 we interviewed a representative sample of 3,000 Americans as part of our continuing research into national political attitudes, and we returned to interview many of the same people again this summer. As a result, we can look at what people told us, long before there was a Tea Party, to predict who would become a Tea Party supporter five years later. We can also account for multiple influences simultaneously — isolating the impact of one factor while holding others constant.
Our analysis casts doubt on the Tea Party’s “origin story.” Early on, Tea Partiers were often described as nonpartisan political neophytes. Actually, the Tea Party’s supporters today were highly partisan Republicans long before the Tea Party was born, and were more likely than others to have contacted government officials. In fact, past Republican affiliation is the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support today.
What’s more, contrary to some accounts, the Tea Party is not a creature of the Great Recession. Many Americans have suffered in the last four years, but they are no more likely than anyone else to support the Tea Party. And while the public image of the Tea Party focuses on a desire to shrink government, concern over big government is hardly the only or even the most important predictor of Tea Party support among voters.
So what do Tea Partiers have in common? They are overwhelmingly white, but even compared to other white Republicans, they had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and they still do.
More important, they were disproportionately social conservatives in 2006 — opposing abortion, for example — and still are today. Next to being a Republican, the strongest predictor of being a Tea Party supporter today was a desire, back in 2006, to see religion play a prominent role in politics. And Tea Partiers continue to hold these views: they seek “deeply religious” elected officials, approve of religious leaders’ engaging in politics and want religion brought into political debates. The Tea Party’s generals may say their overriding concern is a smaller government, but not their rank and file, who are more concerned about putting God in government.
The origin of the Tea Party, if only its name, is from a then-record single day fundraising effort for Ron Paul on December 16, 2007, the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party.
Rick Santelli’s 2009 rant-gone-viral is largely responsible to the movement that has emerged since then.
I attended a campaign event for Colorado Gubernatorial candidate Tom Tancredo in October 2010 heavily attended by Tea Partiers. These people are pro-war, pro-Israel, anti-abortion, support Christianity in government (this is very wrong), and at least at this event, were 99% white and at least 75% appear over the age of 50.
The Republican party was a respectable party until Reagan got cozy with all the religious zealots back around 1980. A lot of things went off track back then that are coming to fruition right about now. When Carter left office, we had the lowest debt/GDP ratio since after WWII. Reagan was the first of the big spenders that caused debt ratios to explode.
I’ll take Jimmy Carter over the Gipper any day of the week.
Gipper drove us deeper into debt and bad mouthed energy conservation making us even more dependent on foreign oil. Zfacts.com will show you where our debt sprang from.
Carter had an oil embargo which hurt the economy not to mention rising inflation.
Who appointed Paul Volker?
Who appointed alan Greenspan?
You guys eat so much of the BS you serve you actually believe it.
Well, I see the PTB aided by the MSM are succeeding in their mission to wipe out any opposition. This reeks of the same propaganda (discrediting, blacking out, demonizing, etc.) that has been used against Ron Paul. Now they’re coming down on S&P. Anyone who gets in the way of the flow of money to the pockets of the WallStreet cartel and their proxies will be eliminated.
Census: Bigger percentage of Palm Beach County households renting in 2010
By Adam Playford and Ana Valdes
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 12:08 a.m. Thursday, Aug. 18, 2011
WEST PALM BEACH — By the end of the decade, Palm Beach County residents had shifted away from the stereotypical “American Dream” of owning their homes toward living some of the prime years of their lives in homes they rent, new 2010 Census numbers show.
In 2010, the percentage of people renting instead of buying was the highest it has been in any census since 1980, according to the new data, which will be released today but was provided in advance to The Palm Beach Post and other news organizations.
FRANKFURT (MarketWatch) — U.S. stock futures slumped on Thursday, as fears over global growth prospects and Europe’s ongoing sovereign-debt woes weighed on equity markets around the world.
Futures on the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJ1U -1.78%) fell 173 points to stand at 11,208. Standard & Poor’s 500 index futures (SP1U -1.98%) dropped 21.2 points to 1,168.70, while Nasdaq 100 futures (ND1U -1.98%) lost 43.25 points to trade at 2,132.
… P.S. A one-month increase of 0.5% in retail-level inflation occurs at an annualized rate of (1.005^12-1)*100 = 6.2%.
And weekly new claims for unemployment running above 400,000 is considered consistent with recessionary conditions.
Bulletin
U.S. retail-level inflation rises 0.5% in July; initial jobless claims climb to 408,000
1931 2/1 on ~0.5 acres of land.
Sep 2006 Zestimated as high as $400K.
Aug 2010 Listed at $150K
Now: Pending: $59K
This is a tear-down, no question; but it serves as a price point for nearly raw land. If it were on city water and sewer, I could understand the $60K for a half-acre. But it’s on well and septic.
4/1 1951 brick rambler 1400 aq ft. The main picture is the back of the house. Idiot flippage going on:
05/22/2011 Listed for sale $249,000
08/02/2006 Sold $600,000
07/14/2003 Sold $359,900
04/23/2001 Sold $235,000
The price is close to the 2002 price, which is what I believe the near-bottom will be in the DC area. However, this house was probably in much better shape in 2002. Now, it won’t pass FHA. Basement is gutted, main house needs cosmetic work, roof is trashed. But it’s on a nice 1-acre lot. My strategy would be to lowball by $70K and spend $50K on fixup and carve out a half-bath.
What are your thoughts on the Silver Spring area? I know its sprawled out so much you cant get a general feel of the “town”, but which in your opinion is a good part of SS? What part would you feel good about buying in?
I think I told this before, but when my wife and I were looking in SS we’d see a nice house in a good neighborhood with a price range in striking distance of what we would pay. Turn the corner and it went from a nice neighborhood to a complete landfill of a neighborhood.
Silver Spring is sprawled because it’s not incorporated… if they don’t know what town it is, they dump it into Silver Spring.
If I could afford it ($500-650k), I would choose something between the Silver Spring and Takoma Metro stations, near MoCo comm college Takoma park campus, especially down the hills to Sligo Creek. Samples:
The rest of Silver Spring is too hard to explain. Basically, avoid the central splotch, especially where University Blvd crosses New Hampshire Ave, and the Viers Mills swath from Wheaton to Rockville. That’s learn-Spanish-by-immersion land. The rest is okay. Other than that: south is leafy liberal suburbs, north is okay, east has a Jewish influence, west is bordering on wealthier Rockville/Bethesda.
Thanks. We are still a few years away from a home purchase, but its nice to see the trends and such develop around the SS area.
Ive been all around Wheaton and Rockville - some decent areas but nothing Id plunk down a boatload of $$$ for. Need to spend some time in Takoma and see what thats all about.
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Comment by polly
2011-08-18 09:43:21
Takoma is also known (fondly) as the People’s Republic of Takoma Park. Lots of odd businesses dealing with holistic [fill in the blank]. Some houses are painted the oddest colors. Lots of fireflies.
I really like my auto mechanic who is located there. You can pay and pick up until the gas station closes which is much better than getting there before the shop closes at 5:30.
Comment by oxide
2011-08-18 09:48:50
Takoma goes *ahem* international very quickly if you go to far east. Stay closer to the Metro staion. Also a warning: That area is heavily HEAVILY liberal. They shop at the hippie co-op.
Also, the area just up Georgia avenue from the SS metro to the Beltway has some NICE enclaves like Woodside:
I’m in the Wheaton area. It’s a nicer area than you’d expect. Probably the most diverse place I’ve lived in the Maryland side of the DC suburba-plex (this includes living in Kings Park Plaza apartments over on Queens Chapel in Hyattsville). Oxide has it right with the note about the University/New Hampshire area. But Wheaton is nice. Good neighborhood bar, access to the Sligo Creek trail for running and biking. Plus, the place is foodie heaven. Thai food, Korean food, old school delis… you name it. One of the perks about living in “learn-Spanish-by-immersion land” is that you have the luxury of choice between delicious El Salvadoran fried chicken and delicious Peruvian charcoal-roasted chicken for lunch.
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-18 12:00:17
Stay closer to the Metro staion. Also a warning: That area is heavily HEAVILY liberal. They shop at the hippie co-op.
Slim takes a quick look around the Ranch. Dang, there’s gotta be a Metro station nearby.
As for shopping at the hippie co-op, I do it! Oh, boy, do I ever. I drop big bucks in that place.
I call the Food Conspiracy food my health insurance. Owing to the consumption of it and my active lifestyle, I do pretty well in the health department.
Methinks that in the coming years, taking care of one’s health will be THE investment.
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-18 12:13:12
Plus, the place is foodie heaven. Thai food, Korean food, old school delis… you name it. One of the perks about living in “learn-Spanish-by-immersion land” is that you have the luxury of choice between delicious El Salvadoran fried chicken and delicious Peruvian charcoal-roasted chicken for lunch.
Yeah, but do you have Guatemalan? Ya haven’t lived until you’ve had Guatemalan food.
And more of today’s houses. I admit it, I want one.
Child’s Play, Grown-Up Cash
By KATE MURPHY
Published: July 20, 2011
“APART from the open bar by the swimming pool, the main attraction at parties held at the Houston home of John Schiller, an oil company executive, and his wife, Kristi, a Playboy model turned blogger, is the $50,000 playhouse the couple had custom-built two years ago for their daughter, Sinclair, now 4. ”
[There's still a touch of the old strike-a-model-pose in Kristi's posture.]
[247 comments, most full of justified disgust.]
Click on the slideshow on the left. Nice smattering of cutie-patootie homes populated by filthy rich white kids with arrogant names. Honestly, with some winterizing and a added bath, I could almost live in a couple of these houses myself.
from the article:
“the two-story 170-square-foot playhouse has vaulted ceilings that rise from five to eight feet tall, furnishings scaled down to two-thirds of normal size, hardwood floors and a faux fireplace with a fanciful mosaic mantel.
The little stainless-steel sink in the kitchen has running water, and the matching stainless-steel mini fridge and freezer are stocked with juice boxes and Popsicles. Upstairs is a sitting area with a child-size sofa and chairs for watching DVDs on the 32-inch flat-screen TV. The windows, which all open, have screens to keep out mosquitoes, and there are begonias in the window boxes. And, of course, the playhouse is air-conditioned. This is Texas, after all.
“I think of it as bling for the yard,” said Ms. Schiller, 40. ”
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Is this a great country or what? And some people actually think these people should pay a bit more in taxes, so they can sacrifice with the rest of us in this time of economic meltdown. Well, what about the playhouses? How would they be maintained? That’s the kind of thing these ‘progressives’ never think about.
You know there are a huge number of super rich Progressives and other fringe nuts. Having met some of them in a past life, I KNOW they do not want to pay any more taxes, they are some of the most selfish stingy people I have ever met.
The Progressives and other fringe nuts are demonizing the “rich” so that they can go after the the demographics with the most taxable income combined. That would be the $50k to $250k + salaried workers who at most have their 401k/IRA and MID to shelter a portion of their income. The real rich are in tax free muni’s or collect revenue from capital gains which are taxed at a much lower rate. Those rich people will never be touched by tax increases.
I got my kids some great cardboard boxes. 8 in total, and each could hold 5 cubic feet. They could go in the boxes, or use the boxes to build a small castle.
I am reminded of a Simpsons episode where bart orders free shipping materials from a delivery company that uses brown trucks. He literally build a castle with them.
Pirate ship, play house, school house, and jail. Add socks and it was a skating ring. Big empty cardboard boxes supplied our imaginations with a lot of hours of play as kids. My brother is in the entertainment field these days.
Calvin’s (of Calvin and Hobbes) big cardboard box was alternately a transmorgrifier (sp?) or a time machine. Whatever he decided it was at that moment. To our little ones (at the time) a large cardboard box could be a car, train or airplane and possibly other things I wasn’t aware of.
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Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-18 09:13:02
You guys, if we only knew how precious our childhoods were, we would have really appreciated them. I was in a rush to grow up. When my niece & nephew were younger, and wanted to play Twister, I was happy to join in. Staying in shape has its rewards.
“There are a number of companies and independent craftsmen that make high-end playhouses, which can cost as much as $200,000, and come in a variety of styles, including replicas of real houses, like the Schillers’, and more-fantastical creations like pirate ships, treetop hideouts and fairy tale cottages. And many of these manufacturers report that despite the economic downturn, they are as busy as ever.”
“Childhood is a precious and finite thing,” Ms. Butler said. “And a special playhouse is not the sort of thing you can put off until the economy gets better.”
One isn’t going to be gd disadvantaged if they don’t have a $200k playhouse as a child. That whole article is nauseating beyond belief.
When I was eight, my buddy from down the block and I got permission from the garage on the corner to build a fort out of used tires out behind the station. It was a blast!
Blue, that’s pretty creative. I like that idea.
We took a bunch of balls, buckets, fake goldfish in water, and other stuff, and made a game carnival. Hey, it kept us out of mischief for hours at a time.
When Marie Antoinette rebuilt the Petit Trianon she was seeking privacy not publicity. I’m sure excesses of this kind have probably gone on as long as there have been rich people, but our reality TV world has made the masses interested in this stuff as a source of “wealth porn” instead of a source of class outrage. (For now.)
playhouse up to “$200,000″
That’s 50% of the cost of our next home.
This type of parenting reminds me of my nieces and nephew. Trips to Europe and NYC, private schools, attitudes, and yet, no thank you for $50 in their B-Day cards, and holiday $ from us. “Gratitude Deficiency”
My other half told me to stop the free money this year.
New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits rose more than expected last week, according to a government report on Thursday that suggested hiring in August was steady but not robust.
North Las Vegas to close rec centers and layoff 21 teamsters
By Heather Klein
North Las Vegas, NV (KTNV) - The city of North Las Vegas finally balances its budget, but the price is too high for some of its citizens. This latest budget decision will close all of the city’s recreation centers. The vote will also cost 21 more teamsters in the city to lose their jobs.
In a special meeting held before the city council meeting, members voted to raise rates and fees to help save parks and recreation, but during the regular meeting Action News learned it wouldn’t be enough. They need 1.5 million to keep them open.
“We will be filing a lawsuit, not a temporary restraining order, we’re going to take them to court because enough is enough,” Steve Harvey, the Vice President of Teamsters Local 14, says.
Teamsters say they will file a lawsuit immediately to stop the layoffs.
Treasury yields still seem to be trying to price in a double-dip recession. If there is a silver lining to the latest Wall Street crash, then at least interest rates are low. Why not go out and buy ten investment homes, while the low rate environment lasts?
P.S. I can’t help but wonder how Bill Gross feels at this point on his decision earlier this year to get out of U.S. Treasurys, as it seems like there has never been a better time to own them.
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Treasury prices rose on Thursday, pushing yields back toward record lows set earlier this month, as global stock markets dropped and worries about European banks increased.
Yields on 10-year notes (10_YEAR -5.54%), which move inversely to prices, fell 8 basis points to 2.09%. They touched 2.08% before the data, heading back to the record low of 2.03% set on Aug. 9. A basis point is 1/100th of a percentage point.
Yields on 2-year notes (2_YEAR -6.03%) slipped 1 basis point to 0.18%, after falling within 1 basis point of the all-time low of 0.16%.
Capital market volatility may have declined, but worries about global growth are still driving stock indexes sharply lower. The Federal Reserve’s annual get-together in Wyoming next week will have a lot to live up to.
Thirty-year bond yields (30_YEAR -4.07%) declined 9 basis points to 3.48%.
U.S. stock futures pointed to a lower opening, with futures for the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJ1U -1.00%) showing the index losing another 200 points. See more on U.S. stock futures.
“Lower domestic equities and a refocus on the weakening economic outlook supported the long-end of the Treasury market,” said strategists at CRT Capital Group.
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If there is a silver lining to the latest Wall Street crash,
Silver / Gold / …Oil
$torage! $torage! $torage!
Crude oil declined the most in more than a week, leading commodities lower around the world amid concern that economic growth in the U.S. and China is slowing.
Mark Shenk, On Thursday August 18, 2011 / Bloomberg
Wall Street swoons as selling in bank shares spreads across from the Atlantic to Wall Street. Tech sector’s also hit hard. Shell-shocked investors flee for the safety of bonds and gold.
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Aug. 18, 2011, 9:37 a.m. EDT B. of A. falls 6% as financials drive market lower
By Greg Morcroft
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. financial stocks fell sharply in early trade on Thursday, pacing declines of more than 1% in the broader market after European banks swooned on a report that the government is signaling concerns about the strength of their U.S operating arms. The latest economic data from the U.S., showing rising jobless claims and retail inflation did nothing to lighten investors’ dour mood. All of the nation’s top handful of banks fell at least 2% to 4%. Bank of America Corp (BAC -8.24%) led decliners with a 6% drop. Citigroup Inc (C -9.25%) fell 5%, J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. (JPM -4.68%) fell 3.5%, Morgan Stanley (MS -6.00%) shed 5%, Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC -4.54%) dropped 2.9% and Goldman Sachs (GS -3.65%) lost 3.6%. The Financial Select Sector SPDR RETF (XLF -5.07%) dropped almost 4%
Rate on 30-year mortgage falls to lowest on record
Average rate on 30-year fixed mortgage falls to 4.15 percent, lowest on records dating to 1971
WASHINGTON (AP) — The average rate on a 30-year fixed mortgage has fallen to its lowest level on records dating to 1971.
The rate on the most popular mortgage dipped to 4.15 percent from 4.32 percent a week ago, Freddie Mac said Thursday. Its previous low of 4.17 percent was reached in November.
The last time long-term rates were lower was in the 1950s, when 30-year loans weren’t widely available. Most long-term home loans lasted 20 or 25 years.
Few expect even record-low rates to energize the depressed home market. Over the past year, the average rate on the 30-year fixed mortgage has been below 5 percent for all but two weeks. Yet prices and sales remain unhealthy and are holding back the overall economy.
Five years ago, the average 30-year fixed rate was near 6.5 percent. In 2000, it exceeded 8 percent.
After previous recessions, housing accounted for 15 percent to 20 percent of overall economic growth. This time, in 2009 and 2010, housing contributed just 4 percent to the economy.
Sales of existing homes fall 3.5% in July
Marketwatch | 8.18.11 | Steve Goldstein
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Sales of existing homes fell 3.5% in July to an eight-month low, with a high cancellation rate again taking its toll on an already troubled market, according to data released Thursday.
The National Association of Realtors said sales fell to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 4.67 million…Economists polled by MarketWatch had expected a 4.99 million annual rate.
The numbers for the second straight month went against the increase in pending home sales, again showing the difference between agreed and closed transactions.
This is not my style however it seems to be floating around today especially among my friends who also happen to be Rush Limba following nuts. (Please beware of profanity being used in this episode).
Ha,
All that f#@K this, f#@K that, China, lil’ Opie, yo “B”, blah, blah, blah-angry…not x1 word mentioning “TrueDoNothing™ / “TrueObstructionists™ / TrueGridLokers™” US CONgress,..or how National policy is [not] legislated.
Un-informed Anger Rules! Go all “Evangelical” on folks! Drop to yer knees, and pray for rain!
Philly Fed factory activity index worst in 2-1/2 yrs
August 18, 2011
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A gauge of factory activity in the Mid-Atlantic region plummeted in August, falling to the lowest level since March 2009 and casting more doubts on the strength of the economic recovery, a survey showed on Thursday.
The Philadelphia Federal Reserve Bank said its business activity index dropped to minus 30.7 from positive 3.2 the month before and was far below economists’ expectations for positive 3.7, according to a Reuters poll. It missed the poll’s lowest forecast for minus 10.0.
It was the biggest month-over-month drop since October 2008, during the heart of the credit crisis.
Any reading above zero indicates expansion in the region’s manufacturing. The survey covers factories in eastern Pennsylvania, southern New Jersey and Delaware.
It is seen as one of the first monthly indicators of the health of U.S. manufacturing leading up to the larger national report by the Institute for Supply Management.
U.S. stocks extended losses immediately following the report, sending the S&P 500 down more than 4 percent. U.S. Treasuries prices added to gains, while the dollar extended its gains against the euro.
New orders fell to minus 26.8 from positive 0.1. The employment components worsened, with the gauge of the number of employees falling to minus 5.2 from positive 8.9, and the average work week index dropping to minus 14.4 from minus 5.4.
“It looks pretty bad across the board, especially with new orders,” said Gus Faucher, director of macroeconomics at Moody’s Analytics in West Chester, Pennsylvania.
“It shows demand is softening. Businesses are anxious at this point.”
“Tech stocks are getting shellacked this morning, thanks in part to some blunt and disturbing remarks on enterprise IT spending trends made on yesterday afternoon’s NetApp earnings call. The bottom line: demand is falling off a cliff, in particular in the U.S. federal and financial sectors.”
“Unfortunately, business softened dramatically during the last few weeks of July under the weight of the debt ceiling crisis and macroeconomic uncertainty,” NetApp CFO Steve Gomo said on the call, which followed a highly disappointing July quarter earnings report. “Our growth rate in July ended up at about half of our growth rate in May.“
BRUSSELS (AP) — A 109 billion euro ($157 billion) international bailout for Greece ran into trouble Thursday after at least five countries demanded that the Greek government give them cash as collateral in exchange for their contributions to the rescue fund.
The Netherlands, Slovenia, Austria and Slovakia said Thursday they wanted hundreds of millions of euros in collateral just like Finland, which struck a deal with the Greek government on Tuesday to receive cash as security for the Finnish part of the bailout.
The pro-European Finnish government demanded the collateral from Greece in response to the increasing popularity of an anti-bailout nationalist party that made sizable gains in April elections.
Even with five nations demanding extra security for their loans in response to the Finnish deal, the amount of cash would probably not be large enough to scuttle the bailout entirely. But it could drive up the overall cost of the bailout, as Greece would need extra funds to put up collateral on top of servicing its debts, paying workers’ salaries and meeting other financial obligation.
The demands for collateral also reveal growing fissures in the eurozone’s efforts to rescue Greece and other struggling countries and ultimately safeguard the common currency.
With the Finnish collateral deal, “a message is being sent to countries (that) if you have a euro-sceptic vote, you are actually being rewarded for it,” said Pieter Cleppe, the head of the Brussels office of think tank Open Europe.
See that’s what folks like ’bout Hope & Change, occasionally it comes round about!
August 18, 2011, 12:33 pmMergers & Acquisitions
Hewlett-Packard Said to Be Near $10 Billion Deal and P.C. Spinoff
By DEALBOOK
Hewlett is also planning to spin off its personal computer business, Bloomberg says. The technology company reports its quarterly results after the stock market closes on Thursday.
Shares of Hewlett-Packard, which had been down sharply along with the rest of the technology sector, surged after the report before a circuit breaker paused trading in the shares.
“Cut with the negative waves Kelly, it’s gonna be a mother-beautiful $pin-off!”
I am still convinced to this day that Czarly Fiorina did the merger to buy time as HP’s numbers under her watch were horrible. The merger provided a distraction from that and I think she was hoping that a rising tide would lift HP’s boat. It didn’t and she was fired.
During my final years at HP it became painfully obvious that HP was getting out of the hardware business. And what hardware we still sold we just bought from someone else. Forinstance we just slapped our logo onto Enterprise Tape Libraries that we bought from Quantum and StorageTek/Sun/Oracle. Midrange and low end stuff was all OEM too.
The first golf club to become a “victim” on the grand strand in several years.
- Island Green will be latest Myrtle Beach area course to close
Golf club another apparent victim of tough economy
By Alan Blondin - thesunnews.com
Members of the 31-year-old Bill Mooney design off S.C. 707 in Myrtle Beach were greeted Wednesday at the clubhouse with a photocopied printout stating the course will be permanently closing.
Island Green’s closing could be the first of multiple course closings along the Grand Strand as a market that has approximately 90 courses vying for public rounds between Southport, N.C., and Georgetown continues to feel the effects of a recession.
The 6,382-yard par-72 layout is one of seven Strand courses managed by Signature Golf Group, and is on the lower end of greens fees in the area.
Course superintendent Damon Ryba would not comment on the closing and several Signature Golf Group executives and employees did not return phone calls and messages seeking comment Wednesday night.
Men’s and women’s golf groups based at Island Green are playing their final matches Thursday, and a representative for Signature Golf Packages said Wednesday he was told not to book rounds on the course after Wednesday.
Island Green was a 27-hole course until nine holes closed in 2005 for redevelopment.
It’s the first 18-hole Strand course to close in nearly four years. The Strand lost 20 courses between 2005 and 2007 during a housing building boom, but the housing market plummeted shortly after many of the courses closed, building plans fell through and most properties remain undeveloped. It appears Island Green may suffer the same idle fate for the foreseeable future.
A number of golf groups and social groups have been based at Island Green.
“A lot of us knew each other there from the beginning,” said Gail Boyd, who has been a member there with her husband for about 25 years. “It was one of the friendliest courses on the Strand. A lot of us will be hurting. Island Green is really dear to us.”
Still too many golf courses in this country. A couple of days ago the Sarasota paper had an article about how low the summer rates had gotten at some courses in that area. IIRC one course was charging less than $15 for an 18-hole round. Article didn’t say if that included a cart.
Coastal Florida courses are so flat you really don’t need a cart. Oh wait, I forgot about Florida’s demographics.
Sears Hardware closing in Grafton,Wisconsin
By Doris Hajewski of the Journal Sentinel Aug. 18, 2011
Sears will close a hardware store at 1715 Wisconsin Ave. in Grafton In December as part of a nationwide shutdown of 29 stores.
Sears Holdings Inc. announced the store closings as part of the company’s second quarter financial report Thursday. Sears lost $146 million in the quarter ended July 30.
I reported earlier on the closing of the Kmart store in Burlington in November as part of the same national reduction of stores. The 29 stores include 10 Kmart stores, three Sears stores, 12 hardware and appliance stores, two Sears Auto Centers and two Great Indoors stores.
Sears also will convert 14 Sears Grand stores to Kmarts, and will close seven product repair centers.
In addition to the jobs lost to the closings, the company will eliminate 250 support positions.
Just for major appliances. But how often do you need a new washer or dryer or refrigerator?
BTW, washers (in particular) and dryers seem to last a LOT longer than they did when wifey and I started our family in the 1970s. Yes, there aren’t as many loads in a week as before, but I remember when a year didn’t go by without at least one repair visit. Our current washer and dryer are over (knock on wood) eight years old, including two moves, with no repairs.
More nations may see credit downgraded
By Kathy Chu, USA TODAY
The U.S.’ loss of its triple-A rating is the latest in a string of ratings downgrades for developed economies as their growth slows and debt rises. Portugal, Greece and Ireland are among the nations that have seen their credit ratings cut in the past year by at least one of the three major U.S. ratings agencies. Spain and Japan have been warned their ratings could be lowered.
There was speculation in global markets that France could be downgraded. However, Standard & Poor’s, Moody’s Investors Service and Fitch Ratings all affirmed their triple-A ratings on French bonds in response to market fears.
The U.S. is the world’s largest economy, but S&P’s new rating of AA+ on U.S. debt “reinforces the broader trend of Western developed markets seeing their creditworthiness decline” at the same time that emerging markets are becoming better credit risks, says Frederic Neumann, co-head of Asian economic research at HSBC.
Many of the world’s largest economies have a “much-diminished ability” to expand, create jobs and lift consumer spending, given high deficit and debt levels, wrote Edward Marrinan, a macro credit strategist for RBS Global Banking & Markets, in an Aug. 5 report.
As the global economy recovers from a recession, further downgrades are “certainly possible,” Marrinan said in an interview. “We saw a rating action on a borrower that was widely thought to be the strongest credit.”
Two other triple-A-rated nations, the United Kingdom and France, are likely to be downgraded due to growth and credit concerns, predicts Win Thin, global head of emerging markets strategy for Brown Bros. Harriman in New York. And it’s only a “matter of time” before Belgium is downgraded, Thin wrote in an Aug. 8 report, while Japan, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Portugal could also see their ratings cut.
European Shares Fall Most Since March 2009
Thursday, 18 Aug 2011 | By: Reuters
European equities suffered their biggest daily fall in two and a half years on Thursday, as a slew of data cast further doubt on the strength of the recovery in the world’s biggest economy.
German shares [.GDAXI 5602.80 -346.14 (-5.82%) ] lost most, with traders citing the effects of a short-selling ban on financial stocks in other parts of Europe and intensifying worries about politicians’ lack of a plan to address the euro zone sovereign debt crisis.
The European banking sector [.SX7P 137.76 -9.95 (-6.74%) ], exposed to the euro zone debt crisis, fell 6.6 percent and is down 29.7 percent this year.
Heavyweight fallers included Barclays [BARC-LN 154.00 -19.95 (-11.47%) ] and Societe Generale [SOGN.PA 21.60 -3.04 (-12.34%) ] both down 11.6 percent.
The FTSEurofirst 300 index [.FTEU3 925.19 -46.68 (-4.8%) ] of top European shares ended the session provisionally 4.9 percent lower at 923.85 points, the biggest fall since March 2009.
“The market is beginning to price in a recession. The Philadelphia Fed number was an absolute abomination,” Michael Hewson, market analyst at CMC Markets, said.
“And until we get some clear idea of how policymakers are going to deal with euro zone sovereign debt problems, it’s not getting to get any better.”
Los Angeles to Standard & Poor’s: You’re fired
(CBS/AP) August 18, 2011
LOS ANGELES - The city of Los Angeles will no longer hire Standard & Poor’s to rate its $7 billion general investment pool because the firm recently downgraded the city’s portfolio from AAA to AA.
Interim Treasurer Steve Ongele says the city has lost faith in S&P’s judgment. Los Angeles isn’t alone in receiving negative attention from a ratings agency. Bloomberg News reported Wednesday that Fitch Ratings downgraded the rating of New Jersey’s general obligation bonds to AA-, the agency’s fourth-highest grade.
The Los Angeles Times reports Ongele told the City Council’s Budget and Finance Committee this week that the city should be proud for cutting ties with S&P.
He notes the market crash that came with the real estate debacle occurred because rating agencies like S&P gave unworthy corporations AAA ratings. Ongele says canceling the contract will save the city $16,000 a year.
I’m starting a new rating agency called Always Triple A.
I will be the only employee.
Cities can pay me to rate their treasuries which I will do by throwing a dart at a board that is covered with AAA ratings or one small square that says tray again.
NYCHA faces massive layoffs, homes that can’t be repaired
Therealdeal.com
The New York City Housing Authority will face a $200 million budget shortfall that could result in 3,000 service job layoffs or 70,000 apartments going without “even basic repairs,” according to a blog post by John Rhea, NYCHA’s chairman, reported by City Limits.
Despite some federal financial assistance during the recession and the sale of some assets, NYCHA is in dire straits because Congress has allocated less than $4 billion to national public housing authorities, despite the $5 billion City Limits said the agencies need to fully operate.
The budget shortfall has become a growing problem for NYCHA, as public housing complexes in the East Village and Lower East Side, in particular, have more than 100,000 backlogged repair orders, according to previous reports, and undermanned safety inspectors are allegedly taking shortcuts to meet quotas. As of February, the agency oversees 178,882 apartments in the five boroughs.
The agency has warned of possible layoffs for some time, but until the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development determines how much it can allocate in funding — which it should announce in December — NYCHA will take no action.
China’s newly rich are flaunting wealth — and giving Communist rulers a headache. By Keith B. Richburg, Thursday, August 18 W.Post
BEIJING — China’s new rich love luxury products — imported French handbags, Italian sports cars — and even more, they love to show off their bling.
That seems to be creating headaches for China’s Communist rulers, who after three decades of exhorting their subjects to get rich are facing growing discontent over a widening income gap. Officials now talk about making sure wealth is more evenly distributed, and how to get the rich to tone it down.
As the global economy melts down, and China tries to accelerate its shift to a more consumer-led growth model, Beijing’s leaders see luxury items as a lucrative revenue source. Many Chinese now buy luxury products in Hong Kong or abroad to avoid China’s high taxes, so officials are debating a move to slash tariffs to encourage consumers to shop at home.
But government is loath to be seen as taking any new measures to support the sliver of the population that can afford that pricey new Hermes bag or latest Ferrari, and has delayed any decision on cutting tariffs, according to Chinese media reports and industry analysts.
“The government is facing a conflict,” said Michael Ouyang, representative of the World Luxury Association in China. “They don’t want to promote luxury because they are worried people who cannot afford it will see the advertisements. But they don’t want to limit luxury products because it’s good for the economy. So they’re facing a dilemma.”
It doesn’t help the government’s case when the rich keep showing off their bling.
China’s newly rich are flaunting wealth — and giving Communist rulers a headache. By Keith B. Richburg, Thursday, August 18 W.Post
Well, isn’t this a small world? Keith B. Richburg and I were…
…college classmates.
We were in a couple of biology classes together, and he used to draw these outrageous cartoons of our professor. Dang, they were funny.
He’d nudge my elbow, and it was everything I could do to keep from busting out laughing. So, I’d just smile at him instead.
Years later, my romantically-impaired brain finally figured out that Keith was trying to flirt with me. (Note to the men on this blog, be forewarned, when it comes to flirting, 99% of it flies right over my head. I really am that slow to figure it out.)
Any-hoo, I also knew Keith from our school paper. He was a reporter and an editorial cartoonist. Even then, it was pretty obvious that his writing talents would take him a very long way. He got hired by the Washington Post right out of school.
Another of our classmates went on to win the Pulitzer Prize. And then there was the guy who won the National Book Award. Plus there’s a gal who’s a regular on NPR.
Me? I decided, thanks to my experience on that school paper, that daily journalism was the last place on earth I wanted to be for my career.
Ga. jobless rate increases to 10.1 percent in July
Associated Press, 08.18.11
ATLANTA — Georgia’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate rose to 10.1 percent in July, up two-tenths of a percentage point from 9.9 percent in June and the same as a year earlier, state Labor Commissioner Mark Butler said.
Butler said the increase announced Thursday was due primarily to seasonal layoffs, with about 80 percent of them in state and local education, similar to the pattern of job losses reported in June.
Georgia lost 30,200 jobs in July, as total jobs dropped eight-tenths of a percentage point to 3,789,600. In addition to 24,500 jobs lost in government and education, business services lost 2,200, while construction lost 1,800.
Butler said there were 28,400 fewer jobs than in July of last year, although manufacturing jobs increased by 1,400.
Is the Fed Preventing a Housing Market Rebound?
theatlantic August 18, 2011
Its latest policy to keep interest rates near zero through mid-2013 could backfire and prevent home sales instead of encouraging them
Basic economic theory says that when mortgage interest rates are low, consumers should feel more encouraged to buy a home. But right now, that intuitive theory might not hold. Kathleen Madigan at Real Time Economics proposes that the Federal Reserve’s latest proclamation — that short-term interest rates would be kept near zero through mid-2013 - might discourage home buying. Could this be possible?
When Certainty Can Hurt
This might seem like a backwards idea. To be sure, the last thing that the Fed would aim for is to make the housing market worse off. So why would it allow one of its policies to keep home sales artificially low? This might be an unfortunate and unintended consequence of its desire to calm the broader market.
The logic works here because home prices are declining. Nobody is sure how far they might fall or when they’ll finally hit bottom. But we can feel fairly confident that prices aren’t there yet. But what do we now know? Interest rates will be low for another two years. So why hurry to buy a home now?
Savvy potential home buyers who can wait the market out now have a good reason to do so. They don’t have to worry about interest rates rising before the market bottoms. Instead, they can wait for the market to continue to decline. If it appears to bottom out in the next two years, then they can step in and finally buy at that time. But if prices keep declining over this period, then they’ll be smart to buy in the first half of 2013, just before interest rates might begin rising. In the near-term, you might be better off waiting.
This actually makes a lot of sense. Prior to the Fed’s August revelation, one of the best arguments for why it might make sense to buy a home in the near future was that interest rates will rise. As long as the Fed is holding them down, then this argument begins to disintegrate.
Global Worries Slam Wall Street; VIX Soars 40%- AP
Like an out-of-control cyclone, speculation that Europe’s banks are beginning to suffer the contagion of Europe’s sovereign debt crisis ripped across global markets, taking bank shares and equities markets lower. That speculation, collided in a perfect storm, with a string of weak U.S. economic reports, which helped fan worries about waning global growth
I was watching the Dow over on Marketwatch to see if the PPP would get it over 11,000 at the close, and it was enough to make me put on a tin foil hat.
With less than 3 minutes to go, a bunch of buying pushed the index over the 11,000 mark a 1 minute to go, but they struck to soon. Someone started selling as soon as they got to 11,000, and the market ended below that level.
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Confidence, the foundation of our economy and our markets and our democracy, is collapsing around us.
You can see it in the extreme volatility in the stock market, where 2% declines (interrupted occasionally with a 2% gain) have become commonplace. Investors are in a panic, rushing for the safest assets, such as cash, bonds, and gold.
And we’re seeing it in the economic data. Manufacturing firms in the Philadelphia region reported Thursday morning that business is horrible.
The Philly Fed index has been plunging like a stone.
Nearly half of the respondents to the monthly Philly Fed survey said business conditions had worsened in late July and early August. Forty-seven percent said new orders declined, while more than a third said shipments decreased. Read our complete story on Philly Fed factory index in free fall.
The 34-point drop in the Philly Fed index was the largest since October 2008, when the global economy was reeling from the failure of Lehman Bros. and the near-death of many other significant banks.
The drop in the Philly Fed index to negative 30.7 in August follows a weaker-than-expected survey from the New York Federal Reserve Bank earlier in the week. The news from these two Fed banks is that something awful is happening to business confidence.
Wasn’t the big fight in Washington and Europe over debts supposed to restore confidence?
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Yeah what do a bunch of factory owners know about the economic cycle anyway? If there is a recession imminent the NEBR will be happy to “prove” it through their all knowing, all seeing rearview mirror - sometime next year.
They are computers making massive trades trying to drive the market. Remember when GS had a trader steal software that they claimed could be used to manipulate markets? They admitted they have software to manipulate markets.
“Wasn’t the big fight in Washington and Europe over debts supposed to restore confidence?”
The Big Fight sucked confidence out of my psyche, not because there was a fight but because the issue wasn’t settled.
IMHO an opportunity to fix the problem presented itself but this opportunity wasn’t seized upon, and not seizing this opportunity meant the problem went unfixed, which meant another opportunity will eventually present itself - a little more forcefully this time - and if this opportunity is not taken then still another opportunity will present itself somewhere down the line - and the force behind this one will be a LOT stronger than the previous one - and on and on it will go until the problem is finally fixed.
“…and if this opportunity is not taken then still another opportunity will present itself somewhere down the line - and the force behind this one will be a LOT stronger than the previous one - and on and on it will go until the problem is finally fixed.”
The problem will be resolved one way or another, either politically or, if necessary, through market forces which simply knock down anyone who stands in their path.
Current miles driven (10 mile commute)……approx 500.
Total gallons of gas burned in 500 miles = TWO (as in 2.0)
Takes about 7-8 hours to top off the battery (he charges it overnight).
Is working on getting a 220-240 outlet to the garage…..this will cut the charge time in half.
Honda EV+ is $1.04 for a full charge at an off-peak rate of 0.04/kWh. Triple that for PG&E on peak at 0.115/kWh which is one of the most expensive base rates in the country.
“Honda EV+ is $1.04 for a full charge at an off-peak rate of 0.04/kWh. Triple that for PG&E on peak at 0.115/kWh which is one of the most expensive base rates in the country.”
I wish my rates were nearly that “cheap”. I just checked my SDG&E bill for August. My lowest priced tier was 0.11/kWh (Tier 1). The highest priced tier was 0.33/kWh (Tier 4). With all taxes and charges included, average cost was 0.26/kWh. That would have corresponded to a range of $2.86 to $8.58 for a full charge with $6.79 for the average.
Here on Long Island, it would probably cost more to charge it than using gas. Our electric rates are among the highest in the country. And our electric comes from oil fired plants, so there’s no “Green” benefit.
Florida courts clear 201,000 foreclosure cases from backlog, but 260,000 remain
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 3:29 p.m. Thursday, Aug. 18, 2011
Florida’s courts cleared 201,524 foreclosure cases from its backlog last year with the help of an additional $6 million from lawmakers, but more than half of the cases were dismissals possibly initiated by banks needing to redo faulty paperwork.
The statewide foreclosure backlog now stands at 260,815 cases, including 23,725 in Palm Beach County, according to the Office of State Courts Administrator.
Foreclosure defense attorneys say the number of cases cleared last year is an injustice to homeowners at the hands of courts pushing to reduce the backlog.
“It was money well spent for the banks and the courts, but not for Floridians and homeowners,” said Boca Raton-based foreclosure defense attorney Ron Kaniuk.
This year, there’s no additional money to hire extra foreclosure judges.
That could mean courts are stymied further by new foreclosure filings and the possibility that at least some of those 104,126 dismissals will be refilled.
Palm Beach County home sales up 21 percent in July, median sales price drops to $187,900
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:39 a.m. Thursday, Aug. 18, 2011
Palm Beach County home sales and prices slumped in July following months of robust purchasing that most hoped would continue through the fall.
A Florida Realtors report released Thursday found 972 single-family Palm Beach County homes traded hands in July, a 21 percent increase from the same time in 2010, but an 18 percent drop from the previous month.
The median sales price in Palm Beach County fell 17 percent from last year to $187,900 – a price not seen consistently since 2002.
Statewide, sales of existing homes fell 12 percent in July from the previous month, but were up 12 percent compared to July 2010. The median sales price of $136,500 remained mostly stable.
Realtors said Thursday that the fire-sale prices continue to draw buyers.
Still, the stuttering economy has sidelined some skittish investors.
“We’ve closed on a few properties for Northeasterners who see they can get a waterfront condo for $150,000 and think that’s a dream come true,” said Rodney Forbes, Realtor/Broker of Forbes Realty of South Florida.
It figures. The money multiplier is resting well below one, which means the banks are taking in much more money from the economy than they are putting back in. So now this recent flood of money will act to push the multiplier down even more.
If money is going into banks and is not coming out again then that means there will be less money circulating throughout the economy. The economy is already short of this cash stuff; This dumping of more cash into banks will just make things worse.
Everything seems upside down, inside out. The banks are short of capital so more cash coming in is a bad thing?
SAN FRANCISCO — Attorney General Kamala D. Harris today announced that the California Department of Justice, in conjunction with the State Bar of California, has sued multiple entities accused of fraudulently taking millions of dollars from thousands of homeowners who were led to believe they would receive relief on their mortgages.
Attorney General Harris sued Philip Kramer, the Law Offices of Kramer & Kaslow, two other law firms, three other lawyers, and 14 other defendants who are accused of working together to defraud homeowners across the country through the deceptive marketing of “mass joinder” lawsuits. “Mass joinder” lawsuits are lawsuits with hundreds, or more, individually named plaintiffs. This is the first consumer action by the Attorney General’s Mortgage Fraud Strike Force.
Kramer’s firm and other defendants were placed into receivership on Monday, Aug. 15. The legal actions were designed to shut down a scheme operated by attorneys and their marketing partners, in which defendants used false and misleading representations to induce thousands of homeowners into joining the mass joinder lawsuits against their mortgage lenders. Defendants also had their assets seized and were enjoined from continuing their operations. Nineteen DOJ special agents participated as the firms were taken over Wednesday, Aug. 17, along with 42 agents and other personnel from HUD’s Office of Inspector General, the California State Bar, and the Office of Receiver Thomas McNamara at 14 locations in Los Angeles and Orange Counties. Sixteen bank accounts were seized.
“The defendants in this case fraudulently promised to win prompt mortgage relief for millions of vulnerable homeowners across the country,” said Attorney General Harris. “Innocent people, already battered by the housing crisis, were targeted for fraud in their moment of distress.”
“The number of lawyers who have tried to take advantage of distressed homeowners in these tough economic times is nothing short of shocking,” said State Bar President William Hebert. “By taking over the practices of four attorneys accused of fraudulent marketing practices, the State Bar can put a stop to their deplorable conduct as part of our ongoing effort to protect the public.”
It is believed that at least two million pieces of mail were sent out by defendants to victims in at least 17 states. Defendants’ revenue from this scam is estimated to be in the millions of dollars.
As alleged in the lawsuit, defendants preyed on desperate homeowners facing foreclosure by selling them participation as plaintiffs in mass joinder lawsuits against mortgage lenders. Defendants deceptively led homeowners to believe that by joining these lawsuits, they would stop pending foreclosures, reduce their loan balances or interest rates, obtain money damages, and even receive title to their homes free and clear of their existing mortgage. Defendants charged homeowners retainer fees of up to $10,000 to join as plaintiffs to a mass joinder lawsuit against their lender or loan servicer.
Consumers who paid to join the mass joinder lawsuits were frequently unable to receive answers to simple questions, such as whether they had been added to the lawsuit, or even to establish contact with defendants. Some consumers lost their homes shortly after paying the retainer fees demanded by defendants.
This mass joinder scam began with deceptive mass mailers, the lawsuit alleges. Some mailers, designed to appear as official settlement notices or government documents, informed homeowners that they were potential plaintiffs in a “national litigation settlement” against their lender. No settlements existed and in many cases no lawsuit had even been filed. Defendants also advertised through their web sites.
When consumers contacted the defendants, they were given legal advice by sales agents, not attorneys, who made additional deceptive statements and provided (often inaccurate) legal advice about the supposedly “likely” results of joining the lawsuits. Defendants unlawfully paid commissions to their sales representatives on a per client sign-up basis, a practice known as “running and capping.”
So the banks are taking a much greater hit than the general market?
Good!
IMO this is a welcome sign that the puffed-up-all-out-of-proportion financial sector is being stripped of its God status and is in the process of settling down (perhaps few hundred billion dollars lighter) and becoming an entity that serves the economy rather than acting as it were an economy of itself.
Aug. 18, 2011, 11:06 p.m. EDT
Bank of America to slash jobs: WSJ
SYDNEY (MarketWatch) — Bank of America Corp. BAC -6.03% is planning to cut 3,500 jobs this quarter, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday citing people familiar with the situation. The bank will undertake an aggressive overhaul that could result in the elimination of at least 10,000 jobs, according to the report.
It’s downright depressing to contemplate, but the Treasury bond market and the stock market are both screaming “double-dip dead ahead” at the moment to anyone who is willing and able to listen.
It’s puzzling to me that most economists can’t even seem to be able to see it coming, despite the clear signal in the asset price movements. Some posters here may recognize the bond market is behaving similarly now to how it did in Fall 2008, right around the time that Lehman Brothers and the GSEs collapsed; stocks declined over the next several months to around DJIA = 6K or so by March 2009.
Treasuries rose, sending 10-year yields toward a record low set yesterday, as slowing economic growth drove demand for the relative safety of debt around the world.
U.S. government debt has returned 3.28 percent in August, Bank of America Merrill Lynch data show, on pace for the best month since December 2008. Bonds have extended gains since the Federal Reserve pledged last week to keep borrowing costs unchanged until at least mid-2013. Bank of America’s Global Broad Market Index has increased 1.93 percent in August.
“We have witnessed a precipitous drop in yield, and it’s not over,” said Akira Takei, head of the international fixed- income department at Mizuho Asset Management Co. in Tokyo, which oversees the equivalent of $39.1 billion and is a unit of Japan’s second-largest bank. “A recession can’t be ruled out. There are more hard times to come.”
Ten-year yields slid four basis points to 2.03 percent at 6:41 a.m. in London, according to Bloomberg Bond Trader prices. The 2.125 percent note due in August 2021 rose 10/32, or $3.13 per $1,000 face amount, to 100 7/8.
The rate set the record low of 1.9735 percent yesterday. It will fall to 1.8 percent within a month, said Takei, who correctly predicted this year’s rally.
“The only place to hide is in the U.S.,” said James Camp, managing director of fixed income in St. Petersburg, Florida, at Eagle Asset Management Inc., which oversees $19.5 billion. “Rates are going to test the lows. It’s the anemic or worse economic growth, a benign inflation environment and catastrophe in Europe.”
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Who’d've thunk that gold, Treasurys and safe haven currencies would be the international financial market’s assets of choice at this stage of economic recovery? Traders are already worried the headline U.S. stock market indexes could lop off another 5% tomorrow. It’s shocking, folks, and nobody could have seen it coming.
On Asia Today: Global stocks are sinking again following a slew of grim U.S. economic data. Over in China, it looks like the bull run is over for the property markets with prices stabilizing. WSJ’s Jake Lee and Isabella Steger discuss.
SINGAPORE—Asian shares were sharply lower Friday as renewed concerns the global economy will tip back into recession gripped investors, with exporter stocks in many markets tumbling on concerns about weakening demand.
Investors scurried to the safe-haven gold and yen, sending the metal surging to a an all-time high and the Japanese currency just under its record high.
A rout on Wall Street on Thursday rattled investors in Asia, and “it is difficult for risk assets to make any sort of sustained run at the moment given the fear that another 5% decline on Wall Street could happen literally any day,” said Tim Waterer, a senior forex dealer at CMC Markets.
Australia’s S&P/ASX 200 fell 2.7%, Japan’s Nikkei Stock Average was down 1.9%, while South Korea’s Kospi Composite lost 5%. Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index dropped 2.4%, India’s Sensex declined 1.4%, and the Shanghai Composite Index was down 1.3%.
Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were down 76 points in screen trade.
Spot gold was recently at its new record high of $1,841.70 per troy ounce, up $16.80 from New York on Thursday. “People are generally nervous and the knee-jerk reaction this morning in Asia was to buy,” said Jonathan Barratt, managing director of Commodity Broking Services.
As a safe-haven bet, the yen continued to strengthen against the U.S. dollar, keeping markets on high-alert for yen-selling intervention by Japanese authorities. Meanwhile, the equities selloff dented the euro.
“It appears as though the markets will take their near term cues from the equities,” said MF Global’s macro analyst Jessica Hoversen. “We expect safe haven currencies to stay in vogue with gold, (Swiss franc and the yen) in the lead,” she added.
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A batch of disappointing economic reports and worries that the European debt crisis may be spreading deepened recession fears and sent stocks plunging on Thursday.
Reports on jobless claims, home sales and manufacturing in the mid-Atlantic all fell short of economists’ estimates, while inflation was higher than forecast, raising the ugly specter of stagflation — or slow growth and rising prices.
Economists say that’s highly unlikely, noting inflation should ease soon. And some of the reports may have been skewed at least in part by recent gloom created by the standoff in Congress about raising the debt ceiling and the downgrade of the U.S. credit rating.
“I think they show that economic growth is still very weak,” says Paul Dales, senior U.S. economist for Capital Economics. “However, we believe a recession will be avoided.”
The number of Americans applying for unemployment insurance jumped 9,000 to 408,000 last week, the Labor Department said. Claims above 400,000 indicate the economy isn’t creating jobs quickly enough to lower the jobless rate. Still, the four-week average of claims fell 4,000 to 403,000.
The current level “is consistent with job growth of 100,000 to 150,000 a month,” says Diane Swonk, chief economist of Mesirow Financial. That’s enough to keep unemployment, now 9.1%, stable, she says.
Meanwhile, existing-home sales slipped 3.5% in July to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 4.7 million, according to the National Association of Realtors. In the housing boom, sales exceeded 7 million a year. The news surprised economists, particularly after recent reports showing pending home sales rising smartly in May and June.
The Realtors’ group attributed much of the poor showing to a high rate of cancellations — 16% of NAR members reported at least one last month — caused by rejected mortgage applications or appraisals that were lower than the negotiated price.
But Patrick Newport of IHS Global Insight says buyers are more worried about home prices that continue to fall, as well as an anemic economy. Dales agrees, saying a rebound in consumer confidence could bolster home sales, though only marginally. He expects sales to languish until at least 2014, citing the high jobless rate and the large share of Americans whose mortgages exceed the value of their homes.
A far brighter spot in the economy, manufacturing, also showed signs of wobbling. An index of manufacturing activity in the Mid-Atlantic plummeted in August, with new orders hitting the lowest level since March 2009. The fall unnerved economists following a strong report earlier this week on factory output in July.
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A moribund real-estate market should have the advantage of reducing peoples’ housing costs. Unfortunately, for the growing ranks of U.S. families who rent their homes, the opposite is happening.
Shelter costs in the U.S. — a category that includes houses, apartments, hotels and college dorms — rose at an annualized rate of 2.7 percent in the three months through July, the Labor Department reported Thursday. That’s the fastest rate of growth since January 2008, just after the recession began (see chart).
The trend reflects increasing demand for rentals as foreclosures force some people out of the ownership market, tight-fisted banks prevent others from getting mortgage loans, and falling housing prices make homes less attractive as an investment. As of June, the U.S. rental vacancy rate stood at 9.2 percent, the lowest level since 2002.
Rising rents present a problem for Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke as he tries to balance his inflation-fighting mandate with the need to support an exceedingly weak recovery. Shelter, which accounts for about 32 percent of the consumer-price index, has the potential to produce enough inflation to tip the scales against another round of monetary stimulus.
The government is considering one lever to ease shelter costs: Rent out some of the hundreds of thousands of homes on which Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have foreclosed. It’s hard to know whether doing so would make much difference, because many of the homes might be in places where people don’t want to live. But it’s probably worth a try.
Has the Fed’s role in the economy diminished to the point where it is mainly about manipulating the stock market through its various pronouncements and liquidity injections?
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Dana Strong, chief executive of UPC Ireland
Involuntary job cuts in public sector a critical issue
Planet Business Evidence leans towards new recession
WHEN FEDERAL Reserve chairman takes the podium next week at the central bank’s annual meeting in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, his sense of deja vu may be overwhelming.
Stocks have been giving up gains won after last year’s speech, when Bernanke hinted at plans to pump more money into the financial system. Oil prices are higher and there’s been little improvement in the job market. Bond yields are down, though, because the outlook has deteriorated.
It’s almost as if QE2, the Feds $600 billion bond-buying programme first mentioned at last year’s meeting and designed to boost the economy, never happened. That’s not to say investors doubt the central bank’s resolve to act again if the US economy keeps losing steam. Last week, it surprised markets with an unprecedented pledge to hold interest rates near zero until at least 2013.
But given questions about the efficacy of monetary stimulus to date and a political backlash against the Fed’s policies, investors expect it to keep its powder dry at this year’s Jackson Hole symposium from August 25th-27th.
“The Fed already shocked the world when it indicated its ultra-low interest rate policy would remain in place until 2013,” said Fred Dickson, strategist at DA Davidson in Lake Oswego, Oregon. “That telegraphed the economy is going to stay weak. But monetary and fiscal policies haven’t worked very well, so I don’t expect we’ll get a QE3 announcement.”
It is not that the central bank doesn’t have a few tricks left up its sleeve. Bernanke has previously detailed what he could do next. This includes buying long-dated treasuries to push down long-term rates, and cutting interest on bank deposits held at the Fed to encourage more lending.
Still, there’s the problem of ever-diminishing returns. The benchmark SP 500 index rallied more than 4 per cent when the Fed on August 9th said it would keep rates low into 2013, but fell more than 4 per cent the next day. At about 1,200, the index is off its August 8th low but trading remains volatile.
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Let’s face it: inflation is a lagging indicator and Federal Reserve officials look at it that way. So for all the talk that the Fed now faces a higher bar for a third round of quantitative easing, the rise in core consumer prices to 1.8 percent in July is likely to be seen as temporary. As analysts from Commerzbank put it, “the weak economy should help to contain inflationary pressure.”
More worrying for policymakers, particularly the more dovish members of the Federal Open Market Committee, are hints the third quarter may not be showing a lot of the improvements built into official forecasts. A string of reports ranging from consumer sentiment to manufacturing suggest things may have actually taken a turn for the worse in August. From a Goldman Sachs note:
The Philadelphia Fed index unexpectedly fell to -30.7 in August. In the past, this level for the index has only been observed in or immediately prior to recessions (though the index was around -20 in 1995 for a brief period, and the economy did not fall into recession).
Some analysts point to the three dissents against the Fed’s decision this month to promise to keep rates near zero for another two years as making it harder for Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke to push for additional stimulus despite signs of economic weakness. Steven Ricchiuto, chief economist at Mizuho:
Recent comments by members of the FOMC who dissented from last week’s policy decision to maintain excessively low short-term rates through mid-2013 suggests that there is a bigger rift between the inflation hawks and the pro-growth faction on the policy making board. In fact, yesterday’s comments by Philadelphia Fed President Charles Plosser suggest that there is little room for the Fed chairman to push for any further accommodative steps when he addresses the Kansas City Fed conference in Jackson Hole next week.
That view may be a bit strong. The core of the committee is dovish, activist and it appears very concerned about a prolonged period of sluggish growth. Some would probably like to act sooner rather than later and the Jackson Hole speech at the end of this month would be the perfect setting in which to do it.
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Signs that consumer prices are rising even as the U.S. economy slows may delay additional moves by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke to spur growth.
The Fed chairman, who is scheduled to speak at a Jackson Hole, Wyoming, conference on Aug. 26, used the annual gathering of economists last year to hint at a second round of so-called quantitative easing, in which the Fed purchased $600 billion of Treasuries from November 2010 to June.
Investors, such as Barton Biggs, managing partner and co- founder of Traxis Partners LP, have called for the Fed to embark on a new round of asset purchases. Yesterday’s announcement that the consumer price index rose 0.5 percent from June, more than twice the 0.2 percent median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News, may embolden Fed policy makers who oppose further such measures.
“It’s hard to say we have stagflation, but we do have inflation too high for the Fed to do QE3,” said Marc Chandler, global head of currency strategy for Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. in New York.
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I made some comments about Google that really upset one of their employees. She went a bit ballistic.
I said that I’m skeptical of their earnings. Am I wrong? Granted I’m not the average internet user but I’m a pretty big techie. I give Yahoo money for flickr, I give eBay plenty of money. I just don’t see where Google makes THAT much money from advertising.
Can’t say I have EVER once bought anything my eyeballs saw in a Google ad. And I use Google many times a day.
But perhaps I am an atypical Google user?
My eyeballs don’t even -see- google ads. I’ve been running Adblock so long I forgot what the actual internet looked like.
I know people who utilize google adwords to find business. A friend runs a local tow company and has google sending people who search for towing locally straight to him. It costs him over a dollar per click, but he claims it’s generating enough business to justify it.
For the record though - he gets more business from spamming Craigslist.
Some people made money from mining for gold. Some people made money selling shovels to people mining for gold.
Google sells shovels.
Doesn’t commericalizing searches ruin the whole concept of searching? I personally get really pissed off when I search for something and can tell a paid-for result is toward the top of the list.
Doesn’t commericalizing searches ruin the whole concept of searching? I personally get really pissed off when I search for something and can tell a paid-for result is toward the top of the list.
I’m with you, liz.
I personally know of a content-rich website on a topic that’s very near and dear to my heart. Site’s hundreds of pages deep, and it used to be at the top of the searches. These days, it appears to have been crowded out by the paid-for results.
Actually, the only paid material is in the blocks marked as “Ads.” If the site has been crowded out by spammy sites it’s a casualty of the ongoing war between the search team’s ranking algorithm and search engine optimizing firms.
A lot of spam has been cut over the past year, but it’s a really difficult problem. If you’d like to help fix it, there’s a “Give us feedback” link on the bottom of the search results page where you can inform them about spammy queries.
The get a lot of money from the people running those ads, clicks cost those people money, nothing needed to buy.
I understand google makes money, but it’s interesting that in bad times they never skip a beat. I’ve used adsense and adwords. I get how they work, I understand there is profit there. But VCs and rating agencies and all that, I’m just a bit skeptical.
Look at Amazon revenue growth as a proxy for internet usage for commerce. It pretty much goes straight up through the recession. Google’s revenue rides that growth wave.
If you believe that more and more business is transacted over the web, then you should believe that Google makes more and more money.
It used to be ALL car and realtor advertisement too…
I’m not a techie either but from what I understand Google earns its bucks as the Yellow Pages used to earn their bucks: If one types in search words then the responses he gets back are stacked in the order and in the method Google wants them to be displayed. The more money paid to Google (as is the case with Yellow Pages) the more enticing the responses.
If a Google search is going to going to come back with, say, ten thousand replies then it is a given that the searcher will not wade through reading ten thousnd replies in search for the best reply to fit his needs. He’ll stop reading as soon as he gets a reply that works for him. The sooner he gets such a reply the better, both for him and the advertiser, and thus for Google.
the google search engine results pages contain mostly free results, the sponsored ads to the right “adwords” and at top and bottom of free listings are the ones that are paid for.
a site or web page gets good results in google’s rankings by optimizing on page and off page criteria not by advertising.
I increasingly find that a google search for information is heavily top loaded with sites wanting to sell you a product. Sometimes I only want to find out technical information, not buy. It can be frustrating.
Wikipedia, dude..
Official story is the ad clicks.
But I am with you. Google and Facebook are the new fronts of NSA and CIA. With their meteoric rise and their business practice of collecting user data and total disregard of any user privacy, I wouldn’t be surprised the government pays them.
I wonder too, just how many people click on those ads? And how many people buy stuff from those ads?
It wouldn’t surprise me if Google is pumping up its market cap so they can borrow funny money to buy something more substantive, like that Motorola platform thing which I don’t understand.
“that Motorola platform thing which I don’t understand.”
I have heard Google made this purchase to help itself with its Android patent infringement cases.
If you own the patent you can’t steal it.
I think I have bought stuff from google ad click-throughs. I was looking for a particular product (kids raincoats) in a particular brand (Hatley) and did the search to see if any on-line store was having a sale. I found what I was looking for, did a search on customer comments for the stores to make sure they weren’t a rip off, compared the price with shipping from the sale place against the price with shipping from the brand’s site and Amazon, and twice (I think) it was better to use the store I found through google. Helped that once I was also able to find an additional on-line discount code.
So it can happen. But I’ve only done it when I was particularly looking to buy something. Not just because I searched on a topic and decided to buy something because of the ads that showed up. Oh, and it is possible that it was from the regular result searches, not the ads. I honestly can’t remember.
I click just to look at the pretty pictures, but they don’t know I already bought everything I’m going to buy from those vendors.
I just now chose a company at random (Amway) and typed into Google the words “amway scams” and recieved 1,160,000 entrys.
The very first entry is a well written essay that informs me that Amway is not a scam but is in reality a wonderful business opportunity.
I have no doubts that Amway paid some very big bucks to make sure this response is the first response that the reader will see.
If a google novice uses the “I’m feeling lucky” button, then the pro-Amway entry is the only entry he’ll see. I’m sure there are big bucks there too.
that article is a free listing.
was a lot of money paid to optimize it and get that #1 ranking, perhaps but it wasn’t paid to google
Google bomb!
So much for “do no harm” or whatever Google’s motto is.
“I just don’t see where Google makes THAT much money from advertising.”
Google might, but I don’t think the recipients of their ads make squat. Not to mention, you really have to wonder about their placement, which is all robotic and bases on key words. Thus, the HBB gets Armando Montelongo. And he’s paying for that. It’s kind of funny, actually.
I think googles ads are worthless for the most part.
Well, Armando Montelongo is only paying for the Ad if someone clicks it.
It’s sortof a shotgun approach to things. You put some cash into an account with google, set up some adwords to point to your page, and wait.
Google charges you different amounts based on the popularity of those adwords and the competition for dominance of that particular adword (for example, mesothelioma used to be an extremely expensive adword thanks to all the law firms searching for clients). Having your Ad show up when someone searches for “towing” in a particular city might cost you a dollar if someone clicks on it (you pay whether they buy anything or not).
When your account is empty, your ads stop showing up. Hopefully those directed clicks generated real income for you.
Of course, a greater problem IMHO is click fraud. There is a not-so-small group of fraudsters creating content-filled websites specifically to draw higher-value adsense results. Then, they utilize botnets (thousands upon thousands of computers they control through the use of virus/spyware/adware) to randomly click various links on said sites. Some of these people have even banded together - there is a large group of “back scratchers” you can get into with your website that practice mutual fraud clicking, boosting both site traffic and revenue. They website operator gets paid a percentage of the amount google charges the advertiser for each and every click. So for example, someone writes an article about towing and a person visits that result. Google decides to serve up an adsense listing from my friend’s towing company. The “botnet” operator has his little busy bees clicking around on the site, and suddenly my friend’s towing website gets plenty of phony clicks at 1$ each with no appreciable benefit.
Nasty stuff.
“The “botnet” operator has his little busy bees clicking around on the site, and suddenly my friend’s towing website gets plenty of phony clicks at 1$ each with no appreciable benefit.”
I don’t quite understand the business model here. Doesn’t the value accrue to google, who is getting paid for each phony click-thru by your friend’s business?
Who funds the botnet guy, then, and why?
Since this is pay-per-click advertising, the towing service gets to pay for all of those bogus clicks generated by the “botnets.”
Nice, huh?
And this happens to more than a few people who use Google AdWords (and other services) to promote their businesses.
Business model:
Customer (tow company operator) sets up an adwords account on google.
Google sets price per click @ 1$.
Legitimate tow customer is surfing the net and checks up on thehousingbubble blog, see’s the tow company ad, and clicks on it. Whether or not that click leads to a sale, the tow company pays Google 1$, and Google pays -part- of that 1$ to the website that served the ad (so in this case, ben would get a small cut of that 1$).
That’s how it’s -supposed- to work.
With a botnet, things are slightly different:
Customer (tow company operator) sets up an adwords account on google.
Google sets price per click @ 1$.
The botnet operator sets up his own website. He fills it with assorted content designed to get reasonably high value adword ads.
He rips off someone elses website with an article about towing. Adsense serves up an ad for the towing company mentioned above. The BOTNET OPERATOR clicks on that ad, repeatedly, using multiple computers that are set up to browse the internet and his site, making his “percentage” with every click.
Google makes the better part of 1$ every single time the botnet operator does this. The botnet operator makes a few cents with every single click. The tow company operator gets robbed in the process because NONE of those clicks are legitimate.
Google is in a constant battle to stop these phony clicks, but the reality is they profit from every single one. The burden of proof is on the company PAYING for the adwords to prove the clicks they are getting is fraudulent. If the customer paying for those adwords never says anything, google can and does sit on their hands and allows it to happen. The arms race between botnet operators trying to make thousands of computers appear to be normal internet users and Google trying to root out frauds is an interesting one, but ultimately Google is the one profiting from the illegal and immoral activity.
I do quite well advertising my business on Google and Yahoo. I am very specialized though so my customers really need me if they are searching. (sorry no hints
We did the same thing. We bought very specific search terms, so the cost was relatively high per click, but there were relatively few clicks. If someone searched for us, it was highly likely that they were looking for us.
It worked well. If you specialize in Leatherbound 18th Century Religious Texts, don’t pay for “antique books”, pay for “Leatherbound 18th Century Religious Texts”…if someone searches for that, they probably are looking for you.
By using a very specific search terms, it was efficient advertising for us.
Stagflationary Jobless Depressions are an indication of a failed government.
I love the smell of stagflation in the morning! Bought any coffee, orange juice, bacon lately? Failing to see the deflation that some allege…
Tell me about bacon! I swear its doubled in price. Oh well … my arteries will be happier I suppose.
How about houses @ 50% off of 2007, mortgage rates @ lowest since Kennedy was president. Real inflation is too much money chasing too few goods. I do not know of many people with too much money to spend.
IMHO gold will crash if the economy goes in reverse. I guess we will see.
Here, maybe this will make you feel better. Google as Fat Elvis, THE definitive article on Google at this stage of its growth.
“Maybe when Google dies on the toilet while trying to squeeze out a worthwhile software program, we will be nostalgic for the way they once were.”
http://takimag.com/article/google_as_fat_elvis#axzz1VCYWU6jp
I just don’t see where Google makes THAT much money from advertising.
Eyes gots Google eyes…use it 1st choice…gmail…searches…phone number…news…
Google = American “Bidness” noun.
How many 12oz cups of joe in 3 lb coffee can @ $2.25 per pour?
heat, pour & smile,…lucrative indeed.
If Google’s advertising didn’t drive business for those paying the fees, they wouldn’t pay the fees.
If I want to buy something specific, I search for it on Google, click on their “shopping” link, find the online retailer with the best price, and purchase. It’s amazing how often Amazon isn’t the cheapest.
Charlie Munger calls Google’s “moat” (the barriers to unseat it’s profit making machine) the widest he’s ever seen.
They are making a ton of money.
I just don’t see where Google makes THAT much money from advertising.
I’m of the mind that a lot of businesses give advertising on Google a try. In other words, you, the business person, will set up an account on Google AdWords, bid on some key words, and then you give it a go with your little fleet of ads.
And I think that a lot of these business people will experience the same thing I did: Few clicks, no sales. Thus ends the Adwords experiment.
The upside, for Google, is that there are plenty of businesses willing to make this experiment. The world isn’t going to run out of such businesses anytime soon. Not to mention the fact that, for a very few businesses, AdWords work quite well.
So, what you have are a lot of businesses hoping to emulate the successes of a very few.
I heard one of the major executives of Extra Space Storage speak the other day. I’m paraphrasing, but he basically said that if you were in the Yellow Page business, that you should find a new career.
They now spend something like 90% of their advertisement dollars online. Google is a part of that.
I think the unfortunate reality is that in order to get the word out on your business in today’s world, you need to do one of the following:
1. Have an ad in the Yellow Pages;
2. Have a search engine marketing program;
3. Have a social media marketing program; or
4. Build your business the old fashioned way, building relationships with your customers over time.
We have chosen to do #4, despite having some success with #2.
I think that #1 is rapidly going away.
What about sites like this: sitebeatDOTcom
Maybe, but I never heard of that site, which minimizes its usefulness to me, and unless I’m in the minority, limits its usefulness to businesses.
And I see #4 being replaced by #2 and #3.
I found a local music shop right here about 1/2 mile away and had no clue it existed for over a year until they had a lost their lease sale……they spent on 2&3 but forgot the local people I saw no ads in the weekly paper no direct marketing…all on line
sad they had so much good music i bought at 50%+ off
This http://www.google.com/intl/en/about/products/index.html is how they make money.
They also license and sell their technology to corporations.
For instance:
Postini is the THE best email spam blocker on the planet.
Maps technology is sold to other corporations. They have a deal with Oracle for the Oracle’s upcoming Fusion suite to use Maps as part of the the suite.
Google Earth satellite data is a lot deeper than just what you see on-line. Guess who buys it?
Their You-Tube on-the-fly compression software is, yep, you guessed it, sold as well.
Search is just one part of the empire.
I extensively use Docs and Maps, but you know my favorite Google product?
eBooks.
You know why?
They are partnering with local independent bookstores. I can go onto my local bookstore’s website, buy an eBook via Google with their website as a portal, and my local bookstore gets revenue. The bookstore in the small downtown almost went out of business, when some locals came in to save it. I’ll now only by eBooks through their portal (with Google’s help).
http://www.indiebound.org/google-ebooks
Look for your own bookstore at the link above if you read eBooks…
Fat-Cats have Fires.
Did you mean to say Fleas?
My fat cat has flees. I don’t anticipate him burning, but then I do have young children whose curiosity grows by the day. Note to self, verify all accelerants and sources of ignition are securely stored.
Note to self, verify all accelerants and sources of ignition are securely stored ??
So you have a fire bug also eh….I had one, still do really…I had to watch him closely even at the age of 5…He just fell in love with fire works on the forth of July…Problem was he thought every day was the forth of July…
Don’t feel bad, pyro kids grow up to grill a good steak.
No problems yet, but they’re both creative and curious. And the cat is pretty laid back.
And the cat is pretty laid back ??
Just wait until the first bottle rock goes wizzing by…
rock = rocket….
Fires:
http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=150929
Wells Fargo Lowers Conforming Loan Limits
17 Aug 2011 |By: Diana Olick - CNBC Real Estate Reporter
The deadline for ending temporarily higher loan limits at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the FHA is October 1st, but they are effectively ended now.
A Wells Fargo spokesman confirms, “August 15th was the deadline for applications and rate locks for FHA and conventional conforming loans with balances above the limits we expect will be in place after September 30th.”
The loan limits were raised by Congress in 2008 temporarily from $417,000 to $729,000 in the highest priced markets in order to help bring much-needed liquidity to the mortgage market after the sub-prime meltdown that sent investors fleeing. There has been heavy lobbying by the Realtors, mortgage bankers and home builders to extend the limits, but so far to no avail.
Even though the rule goes into effect on October 1st, all loans have to be funded, sold and shipped to the GSE’s by then. Refi volume has been so high lately that it can take 45 days to do a loan, so lenders have to cut off in time.
What does that mean on the street? A check of Wells Fargo’s website shows it offering the 30-yr fixed conforming at 4.25 percent, and jumbos at 4.625 percent. Obviously the rate changes will affect only the highest priced markets, largely on the coasts. This from mortgage expert Mark Hanson:
“The realists note that within certain mid-to-high end communities, which can underpin an entire county’s economy, the majority of houses and borrowers could be impacted, again weakening the macro economic foundation.
Bottom line: The loss of high leverage GSE and FHA loans to $729k will negatively impact mid-to-high end housing. To what extent, I am not sure yet. However, I don’t think it will be trivial. But what I am sure of is that mid-to-high end housing is the segment most at-risk for step-down in sales volume and prices…just look at CA house sales over $500 in July for an example of how volatile this market segment is.”
“The loss of high leverage GSE and FHA loans to $729k will
negativelypositively impact mid-to-high endhousinghome buyers.”Fixed it.
“Fixed it.”
Nail the coffin shut with doing away with the Mortgage Interest Deduction.
The MSM and RE are all over that one right now. It was one of last nights lead stories–we have to protect it.
Are most Americans oblivious to how the mortgage interest deduction is primarily a large tax break for the rich? Or has the NAR’s propaganda successfully confused them on the matter?
August 16, 2011, 6:00 am
Breaking the Tax-Talk Taboo?
By VERA TITUNIK
Will Warren Buffett’s Op-Ed yesterday begging Congress to raise his taxes start a movement? It’s kind of fun to imagine the 8,274 Americans who earn more than $10 million a year marching on Washington carrying signs: “Slash the Deficit! Raise My Marginal Tax Rates!”
Buffett’s Op-Ed was at least partly directed at the Congressional supercommittee that is supposed to reduce the deficit by $1.5 trillion. For anyone interested in other ideas to chip away the deficit, I recommend Roger Lowenstein’s article “Who Needs the Mortgage-Interest Deduction?” Back when we published the story, in 2006, no one was talking about the deficit — we were too busy buying houses with interest-only loans. But Lowenstein’s argument feels more relevant than ever.
Before reading Lowenstein’s article, I (like many people) viewed the mortgage-interest deduction as unassailable, apple-pie policy to encourage homeownership; that it dovetailed nicely with my own interests at tax time was a pleasant coincidence. But he slew a number of my assumptions providing evidence that
1) the deduction does not encourage homeownership,
2) it is incredibly costly — an estimated $131 billion in 2012 and
3) the people it benefits most are wealthy and capable of buying a home without it.
(Under current law, you can deduct mortgage loans up to $1 million.) As he wrote: “The deduction might help some people (like me) to purchase bigger homes than they otherwise would. And it certainly helps people who are selling mansions to get a higher price. But it is hardly the democratic subsidy people think. In fact, it’s patently regressive.”
So one way to look at the mortgage-interest deduction is this: It is a housing subsidy for people who make enough money to itemize their taxes.
…
NAR’s propaganda has successfully confused them on the matter. Apparently, something like “do away with MID for second homes and primary homes over X price” is too complex for the masses.
I’m guessing the 35 million American households that claimed the mortgage interest deduction in 2009 roughly correlated with the top 20% or so of the nation’s households by wealth; i.e., the mortgage interest deduction is a tax giveaway to the rich.
Does that sound about right?
What will happen to you if home mortgage tax break ends?
Jul 28, 2011 15:05 EDT
Aside from getting a piece of the American dream, one of the reasons people ostensibly buy homes in the U.S. is for a nice tax break. About 35 million households claimed the mortgage interest deduction in 2009, according to a recent report from the Joint Committee on Taxation.
In fact, the mortgage interest deduction is the largest subsidy for homeowners and the nation’s third-largest tax break, according to the Center for American Progress, a liberal policy research group.
But the mortgage interest deduction also costs the U.S. Treasury about $100 billion a year, which is why lawmakers are looking for ways to abolish it in the debt crisis negotiations.
…
Here’s the sum-up line: “The average benefit to a middle-income taxpayer (making $50,000 to $75,000) is $1,227, while the average benefit for a high-income taxpayer (above $200,000) is $6,650.”
Can’t wait to use this one on my future re-al-TOR.
“3) the people it benefits most are wealthy and capable of buying a home without it. ”
try the banks…it’s nothing more than a bank subsidy.
Ending the MID would probably not affect the middle earth house buyer at all because house prices would adjust down to fit the “how much a month” market makers.
Ahh, so refreshing to have others see it the same way. I’m a huge beneficiary of the MID, but, yes, I think it’s totally unfair and terribly slanted towards those with higher incomes. I used to hear Realtors talking all the time to young, married couples looking at a small condo (call it 150K) “think of how much you’ll save on taxes”. It’s hard for most people to calculate, so many just “go with it” and figure they will get a huge break.
Sad news folks. To use the MID, you have to give up the standard deduction (which is about 10K now for a married couple). Your property taxes will also be deductible, so, MAYBE the first few years you’ll have a few hundred bucks. After that, nada.
Now, for me, that’s a totally different story. My property taxes are almost double the standard deduction (single, not married). Add the interest on a big loan; it’s a huge savings. Every dollar of interest that I spend is untaxed (because the property tax gets me there before I pay a single dime on my MTG).
Unfortunately, next year I get married, and that will knock the tax gravytrain down a bit for me. Right now we both file as single, she takes the STD, and I take all the itemized deductions. It’s a pretty big savings. And, because we weren’t married, we were also able to get the 8K tax credit to buy the house (our combined would have been too much, but my SO didn’t top out over the limit). Being “unmarried, living together” has saved us about 25K (8K of that being the tax credit) over the past 5 years.
Anyway, I digress.. The MID is totally a giveaway to the upper-middle and wealthy. It’s also encourages bad behavior (borrow against the house, it’s deductible) that we should not look to encourage. Either all interest should be deductible (which, IMHO, it should be) or none. The current state of affairs is the worst of both worlds.
Interest and taxes tend to flow to the same place.
BTW, be careful about those STDs.
“borrow against the house, it’s deductible”
only on loans up to 100K.
“Sad news folks. To use the MID, you have to give up the standard deduction (which is about 10K now for a married couple). Your property taxes will also be deductible, so, MAYBE the first few years you’ll have a few hundred bucks. After that, nada.”
At some point in the past few decades, the standard deduction threshold increased to a level where it takes rather large itemized deductions to clear the bar. Before this, the MID may have offered more tax relief to low-income and middle-class homeowners, but nowadays, unless your interest payments are quite large (like those generated by a $1m mortgages), the MID offers little by way of tax avoidance.
…nowadays, unless your interest payments are quite large (like those generated by a $1m mortgages), the MID offers little by way of tax avoidance.
Then I’d say that it’s time to give the MID the heave-ho.
It also can get you student loans, Pell grants welfare food stamps medicaid and a host of other advantages…..all for not tying the knot…..
Sad but not many people throw a 10 year living together party.
Being “unmarried, living together” has saved us about 25K
PB,
I agree with you, but even in the mid-high tier (500K house) the MID is very valuable. My property taxes are almost over the married standard deduction (about 9K a year). So almost every dollar of my interest is deductible (and that’s assuming I’m married, which I’m not, so the situation is even better). Welcome to FL, the land of massive property tax bills.
Rough numbers, this year my property taxes are about 9K, and I’m going to pay about 20K in interest.
As you can see, that’s a really big deal (for tax purposes). I give up a 5K to get almost 30K in deductions. That’s real money, it’s probably worth 7-10K a year (because I have other deductions that I can take as well that I wouldn’t be able to use if I didn’t itemize) to me; certainly not pocket change. An even bigger deal if I make it to the 35% bracket this year.
What happens to the 50 million or so home owners that bought with the MID in place ??
Many won’t be affected, especially if the standard deduction is increased. It will affect the McMansion and jumbo mortgage crowd the most.
“What happens to the 50 million or so home owners that bought with the MID in place ??”
I think our government has demonstrated an ala-carte attitude towards contract law.
The GM bond holders being one example.
“What happens to the 50 million or so home owners that bought with the MID in place??”
They start paying off their mortgage faster and never take MEW’s. All good.
They start paying off their mortgage faster ??
How ?? Their house payment is their biggest single expense…The interest deduction increases their after tax income by lets say 30%…If you eliminate the MID without any offset, its a immediate 30% increase in their carrying costs…It could easily push many millions under water thereby compounding the foreclosure problem…
I have no heartburn with elimination of the MID…My question is what you do with the people who are currently using it particularly those in high loan to value situations…
You aren’t paying attention to the math. It doesn’t increase their carrying costs by anywhere near that much, especially in states without an income tax. For the gigantic mass in the middle, they do just as well, or nearly as well by taking the standard deduction.
I blame Turbo Tax for the fact that people don’t know this. They just let the software do the calculation and may not even realize they while they typed in the numbers, in the end they aren’t taking the mortgage interest deduction at all because using the standard one was better for them.
After buying my house last year, I - for the first time in my life - itemized my taxes. And it resulted in a decent return. I will survive if MID is done away with, but I wouldn’t mind getting that deduction for at least a few (or several) more years since A) I’m paying so much interest right now and B) I finally qualify for itemizing after 25+ years in the work force.
OK, eastcoaster, tell us your family income. Are you in the $50K to $75K crowd, or higher? And how much would your effective payment on the house be without the deduction? Would it increase 30% as dave claims if you took the standard deduction instead?
And being on the east coast, I assume you have a state income tax (or are you in New Hampshire?). What would your results be if you didn’t have that?
I’m in the lower end of the $50K to $75K crowd. I don’t have my tax paperwork handy to figure out the difference, but I can say the difference between the last 2 years returns is just over $2,000.00 (1st year = std deduc = $725; 2nd year = itemize = $2786).
Yes, we have state income tax (PA). 3.07% or something around there.
I mean, I don’t have the paperwork handy to do the exact math if I used the std. deduction this year vs. itemize. I just dug up the differences from deposits made to my bank account for the past 2 years.
The only “fair” thing to do is eliminate the MID going forward, and grandfather all those with it (myself included) in their current loans. Home prices would immediately drop 5-15% (higher priced homes falling more) to make up for the increased carrying costs. It’s not fair (or politically possible, IMHO) to hit those of us with homes twice; now we pay tax on the MTG interest, and have a loan that’s too big?
they do just as well, or nearly as well by taking the standard deduction ??
Well, I must say I am not that brushed up on the effect of standard deduction so maybe I am wrong about the elimination of the MID having a broad effect on existing mortgagors…..
Overtaxed, what do you mean by, “…grandfather all those with it in their current loans”? You mean anyone who currently has a mortgage and uses the deduction can continue, but no new homeowners can claim it? I’m tripped up over the “in their current loans” wording.
scdave,
Let us assume that for potential homebuyer A, the standard deduction is $10,000. He has no state income tax to deduct. If he buys a house he can deduct all the mortgage interest he pays (the overwhelming majority of the payments in the early years) plus his property taxes. If those expenses are $10,000 or less (and he doesn’t have any other deductible amounts like health care costs above 7.5% of income or charitable contributions) then he get NO benefit at all from the deductibility of mortgage interest. None.
I would get a fairly high benefit if I were to buy, because my state and local income taxes by themselves make it better to itemize. But the benefit might not be the same as my marginal rate because 1) my highest marginal rate only applies to the last few thousand dollars of my income and 2) the alternate minimum tax might reduce the benefit.
That is how it works. If your itemized deductions only take you a little bit above your standard deduction, the benefit is minimal.
“I will survive if MID is done away with,…”
One would hope the MID would be grandfathered in for existing loans; not sure what exactly the law says on this? (Polly?!…)
The law would say what it says when/if they write it. There is no rule that says they have to grandfather such a benefit in for exisiting mortgages. Politically, it is fairly likely that some sort of grandfathering or phase out would happen. Actually, politcally, it is fairly likely it won’t happen at all, but there is no “rule” other than the one that is written, passed and signed.
It just occurred to me, too, that the deduction I took last year was only for ~6 months of interest as I settled in late May. This year I will have double the amount to deduct.
Polly,
Well if I am reading your material correct it sounds like the lower end of the income spectrum will not be effected either way…So, higher end earners that itemize with fairly substantial mortgages are the possible loser’s, particularly in the high real estate tax area’s…
When they removed the tax deduction for interest on general debts, there was no grandfathering, just a little advance warning. Those who could rebalanced debt to the house or a business.
“they do just as well, or nearly as well by taking the standard deduction ??”
If you’re single, the standard deduction is under 6000, so the mortgage interest deduction makes sense in more cases.
But if you’re married filing jointly, the standard deduction is 11,500, or very close to that. We just bought our house, so it’s almost all interest payments now. Say, 7500 this year. Unless we rack up some dental bills, it doesn’t help. If we were able to deduct the whole PITI, it would be about the same.
You probably were able to deduct “points” or some other start up costs in the first year that would not apply in other years, so I doubt the deduction will be double.
Umm…this is a little judgemental, but this is the sort of financial information you should have been so intimately aware of that you remember most of it a little more than a year later. Just sayin’……
“You mean anyone who currently has a mortgage and uses the deduction can continue, but no new homeowners can claim it? I’m tripped up over the “in their current loans” wording.”
Exactly. If you have a loan today, and they change the rules tomorrow, you can (for the life of the loan you currently have) still deduct the interest. IMHO (and, granted, my view is slanted because this is my situation), people who purchased with the MID should not be changed retroactively. That’s like changing a contract after the fact; I went in with the knowledge that the vast majority of my payment was going to be tax deductible, changing that “mid stream” just doesn’t seem fair. Especially since (and this is a good thing) the value of my home would also drop 10% or so overnight (without the MID for a new buyer); seems like “double taxation”. However, my view is not objective, this would hurt me badly, so I can’t really view it objectively.
Frankly, what they should do is either make all debts deductible (which, IMHO, is probably the right answer; as all debts are deductible for a business; why punish individuals?) or none of them.
That would be Fair…also add you cannot re-fi unless the new loan was a lower total amount outstanding
for the life of the loan you currently have
Changing course is the way government subsidies have always worked. You need to be quick to jump on the gravy train and flexible enough to jump off when the sucker punch comes around. Sorry. Course, debt is slavery.
“There has been heavy lobbying by the Realtors, mortgage bankers and home builders to extend the limits…”
sickening…absolutely sickening.
I am amazed at many folks hope of soaking the rich.
Our governmental budgets are so out of wack that we could “confiscate all” of the top 5%’s revenues and it still wouldn’t balance the federal budget!
Government needs to cut spending. Period.
So the rich, who alone have done quite well in the new economy, get to continue to pay the some of the lowest rates in modern history, while everyone else has to sacrifice? Sounds fair- if you’re rich, illogical, or a paid stooge.
get to continue to pay the some of the lowest rates in modern history ??
Pay…Not really…They “borrow” at the lowest rates in history…
They “borrow” at the lowest rates in history…
Exactly Mr. scdave, exactly!
Tax rates are lower today than they’ve been in many, many decades. I think that’s what alpha was referring to.
From each according to his ability…
We would still need to get real on our spending to have a sustainable future.
Yes, and the rich will again have to pay their fair share, no matter how much that seems to irk you.
You can’t fool all of the people, all of the time.
It doesn’t irk me that the rich should pay lots of taxes at all! I’m suggesting that a comprehensive solution to our debt problems involves more than that. Sorry to piss in your wheaties!
not for soaking the rich…i want my tax rate and warren buffet’s to be the same.
now…there is no way in hell they are going to reduce mine…so…up his.
Im amazed many people continue to bow down to the rich and feel bad for them.
If its so bad to be rich, then why are people rich? Give away your money and be poor.
Like Warren Buffet said “Taxation doesn’t scare away anyone from a potential investment”
I would be in favor of rebalancing tax rates up or down* (try not to laugh) as well as a drastically reduced level of both state and
federal government.
* I am thinking post financial apocalypse with near zero debt.
Why do people act like it’s either or?
The reality is we’ll do both and still come up short.
I am amazed at many folks hope of soaking the rich.
Our governmental budgets are so out of wack that we could “confiscate all” of the top 5%’s revenues and it still wouldn’t balance the federal budget!
Government needs to cut spending. Period.
Just because you can’t solve the problem completely by “soaking the rich” doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be part of the solution. An unbiased look at historical spending and taxes tells you that spending needs to be cut AND taxes need to increase.
“I am amazed at many folks hope of soaking the rich…Government needs to cut spending. Period.”
Ok, maybe some of that “soak the rich” talk is just an emotional reaction. But so is the reaction of others to the food stamp program/medicare/insert govt. program here.
I think most reasonable people realize that we need to both raise taxes on the very wealthy, and cut spending, in moderation and over time. I don’t know anyone who’s suggesting that taxing the ultra-rich more is the magic bullet. It’s just one more piece of the puzzle.
Car dealers fear economy could scare off buyers
Stock market swings, jittery buyers threaten to stall US car and truck sales
STERLING HEIGHTS, Mich. (AP) — Jeff Swanson was in the market for a new car just a few weeks ago. Then the stock market went crazy.
So Swanson, 25, decided to keep his 10-year-old Pontiac Grand Prix for at least another year. Gyrations in stocks and talk of a weakening economy rattled Swanson’s confidence about taking on another payment, even though his new job running a home for mentally disabled people seems to be secure.
“Everywhere you turn, other people are saying `Oh, I lost my job this week. I lost my job last week,’” says Swanson, who works for a non-profit that gets money from the state. “I want to be a little bit financially set in case something like that happens.”
It’s an increasingly common reaction among would-be car buyers that has dealers and automakers worried. In May, many believed sales would reach a healthy 13.5 million this year — halfway between their peak in 2005 and their 30-year low in 2009. Now, such forecasts seem overly optimistic. Analysts say the swoon in financial markets and economic uncertainty could reduce auto sales by a few percentage points, shrink earnings and delay hiring in an industry that has been a recent leader in job creation.
“If it keeps going this way, yes, it’s going to hurt business,” says Jerry Seiner, who runs a group of dealerships in the Salt Lake City area that includes General Motors, Nissan and Kia.
Any reduction in sales would be especially painful for Toyota and Honda dealers, who are just starting to restock their showrooms after months of shortages brought on by Japan’s earthquake.
In a sign of how sensitive buyers have become to stock swings, showrooms are active on days the market is up, but empty when it’s down, Seiner says. The Dow Jones industrial average has fallen 10 percent since July 22, with wild swings up and down along the way.
Gilbert Baldwin, 66, a retired auto worker from Ypsilanti, Mich., decided to wait for the market to stabilize before replacing his 2002 Ford Explorer. He was shopping for a new car last month, but now he’s worried about higher gas and food prices and the possibility of Social Security cuts as Congress looks for ways to cut the deficit.
The lack of confidence isn’t what car dealers want to hear, especially in August, usually a strong sales month as dealers clear lots of 2011 models to make room for 2012 cars and trucks. Carmakers report August sales in the U.S. on Sept. 1.
In the Washington, D.C., area, which is likely to be hit by government spending cuts, sales at Tammy Darvish’s chain of about two-dozen dealerships fell by more than 2 percent in early August. She’s worried the slow pace could continue for the rest of the month.
But dealers say sales likely won’t collapse in the second half of 2011, as they did in 2009. That’s because banks are lending more freely, and lease deals, which went away during the recession, are making a comeback. Also, older cars will still need to be replaced. The average age of a car in the U.S. is 10.6 years, up more than a full year from 2008, according to the research firm Polk.
All these flag-wavin’ Americans love to preach personal responsibility. But when the customers are suddenly personally responsible, they start to complain.
And you bet your Joshua tree people are sensitive to the DOW. That’s our 401K in there, and if certain folks have their way, it will be our Social Security and maybe our Medicare too. The masses are waking up to the fact that the big boyz are playing with other people’s labor.
All these flag-wavin’ Americans love to preach personal responsibility. But when the customers are suddenly personally responsible, they start to complain.
Dang Paradox of Thrift
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_thrift
“The paradox of thrift is a central component of Keynesian economics”
wikipedia
There’s our favorite economist again, CarrieAnn. We’ll go back to his theories, after we’ve exhausted all the other false, temporary solutions. We currently finishing off monetarism. Next up, Austrian School let-’er-crash austerity. (Two systems that have already failed in the past, but ‘this time is different’ people like to think.)
To get back to his theories, we will need to fill the graineries during the years of plenty. Plenty of time on our hands until then to eradicate the rats and disinfect the place.
“we will need to fill the graineries during the years of plenty. ”
Oh yes, we were doing so well before WW2. But I do seem to recall something about a Depression thingie. And then, I guess that big war cost a bit too.
“Plenty of time on our hands until then to eradicate the rats and disinfect the place.”
Hey, great to see you getting in the WW2 spirit! Too bad your mouthing the opposing side’s lines.
alpha, you don’t have to go back that far. Clinton was poised to fill those empty granaries too.
The Bushy-tail came along and said, nope, don’t have to fill the granary any more — but let’s send some stored grain to Lockheed and Boeing!
We’ve been buying grain ever since.
Wasn’t part of Keynes’ dream to save when things are good so that you can open the spill gates when things are stagnant?
Who is that; the “opposing side”? By rats, I am thinking corrupt politicians who act in the interests of Big Donors rather than their folks back home. Is that what the opposing side wants to get rid of?
When times are good they want to strangle the goose and get the last egg.
When times are bad they want the gov to bail them out with cash.
Then they sit on the cash and push policies that will cause an utter collapse so they can jump in and buy up everything.
That’s what WS elite and bankers do.
“Next up, Austrian School let-’er-crash austerity.”
Never will get there, because the Keynesian disciples will step in with more bailouts, setting the plate for future bubbles and bubble collapses, long before irrational exuberance is finally drummed out of asset prices.
“Never will get there,”
Apparently the Brits are willing to try it, so we can learn from them and save ourselves the trouble.
Dang paradox of spendthrift:
Blow all your money today, and you will have none left to spend tomorrow.
Agreed. It seems more people are just saving and paying down their debts, which isn’t a bad thing. For a consumer based economy - yes, but for personal responsibility - no.
I paid off my car a few months ago and have been making the same payment into my savings, thinking I was going to purchase a new one at the end of the year or next year. After searching around for cars I’ve decided to forgo the $20,000-$35,000 new car and just keep what I have. It isnt the fanciest ride, but I like it and it works.
On top of that, my next car will probably be a used mid-sized SUV, not a shiny new one off the showroom floor. Im married with two kids - dont necessarily have to buy a new car to show off. Id rather save and buy used.
Having spent a long time in the car business, I learned a -long- time ago that purchasing anything new or stupid expensive was a downright stupid financial decision. It doesn’t make sense on any level, even at the high-end (hell - especially on the high end). A couple year old high-end mercedes with low miles and perfect inside/out is -ridiculously- cheaper than it’s brand-new sister. A 2 year old kia rio is half the price of a new one, or less. I never understood why people on a tight budget would stretch themselves to the absolute limit to buy a -new bottom-tier automobile stripped of options. Going 1 or 2 years older meant half the payment with virtually no downside.
Even when I was at the peak of my career making a high income running a Honda internet dept I was commuting to work by road-bicycle. I bought my wife a pre-enjoyed 3000$ 60,000 mile 99 saturn SL2 to use as a commuter. I saw no point in dumping my hard earned money into a huge flaming pit.
Fast forward to today, that saturn sl2 has 180,000 miles on it. 120k miles and I’ve spent roughly 1100$-1200$ total keeping it going this whole time (had my “hispanic mechanic” replace a motor at 120k for 700$, tires, brakes, serpentine belt, alternator). It’s been dirt cheap to insure, dirt cheap to drive, high on gas mileage and low on trouble. Unfortunately, the paint decided to give up the ghost. Since happy wife = happy life, I decided it was time to buy a new car she wasn’t embarassed to be seen in (plus, we need a second auto asap due to me starting the teaching program - I’ll be doing in-class internships and need a vehicle to get my son to a babysitter).
Picked up a 2003 saturn vue - 80,000 miles, v6, awd, well equipped and absolutely flawless inside and out (old person owned/operated). 4500$. Looks brand new, was a 23,000$ vehicle back in 03 and looks as good as any small suv built today (dent resistant panels = no dings, stupid clean).
I used to laugh at people who’d come in and dump 20k+ on a car for their kid, or insist on a Honda even though it was 10,000$ more than a comparable domestic. A coworker harassed me way back when I bought that saturn SL2, asked why I hadn’t bought a civic since they are “soooooooooo much more reliable”. I calmly explained that the 7,000$ cheaper saturn could burn through half a dozen engines or transmissions before it’d cost less to own the Civic. His response? “Resale value man, resale value!”. Clearly he was a lost cause :).
Funny you mentioned Saturns. We’ve had a few of them and it was about the lowest maintenance/best car we’ve ever owned. My wife loved them so much she just bought a 2008 VUE, and she joked she wanted to get a Sky as a sports car in a few years. I think its a shame they had to kill Saturn - IMO a great line of cars that would do well in todays “Go smaller and stretch your value” consumer market.
My friends bought a brand new Toyota Sienna. He was laid off of his job and worried about cash, then got a new job a few months later. His wife INSISTED on a brand new, out of the box Sienna. When I mentioned a used one and saving the money she plainly said “No, I dont want someone elses problem - and Toyota is the best.”
Especially with kids, I dont know why someone would buy a new car. Have you seen what two toddlers can do to the interior of a car? Save the cash, buy used and be happy its paid off.
Saturns are fine cars - as long as you do your research first and know about the occasional “pitfall”. I guess the same could be said for any brand though…
For example, the older automatic transmission 4 cylinder Saturn Vue’s (and ions) paired a fine ecotec engine, with a NOT FINE fiat CVT transmission. The transmission is absolute trash and many owners went through 3-4 of them during the 75,000 mile warranty period (the warranty was expanded due to the massive failure rate). Replacement of the CVT in the vue out-of-warranty costs in excess of 5,000$. I believe they finally stopped putting these stupid transmissions in the vue around 2005, so buyer beware. I was specifically looking for a V6 due to this.
You can go on craigslist right now and find plenty of cheap and even reasonably low mileage 2002-2004 4 cylinder+CVT saturn vue’s just begging you to own them. If you didn’t do a bit of research you’d get completely shafted. Caveat emptor, I suppose.
Even the SL2’s had a small secret - they use oil. Design flaw on the engine (imho), no oil return holes on the pistons. Over time the rings get carbon crusted and start little little amounts of oil squirt past and burn off. It’s not a huge deal but it means over 100k miles you’re looking at adding a quart every 1000-1500 miles. The reason this is a problem is simple: most people these days never bother to check their oil. With only a 4 quart capacity, if you drive 3000-4000 miles between oil changes you will quite literally run the car out of oil. The idiot light may or may not come on at around 1 quart remaining. Almost every single dead SL2 I’ve come across was a result of a burned-up out-of-oil motor :).
All that aside - it is a shame they killed saturn, but honestly, by the time they “killed” it saturn was already dead. As soon as they replaced the entire unique saturn line with a bunch of rebadged GM vehicles it was over. No more dent resistant easily repairable composite panels, no more unique saturn-designed vehicles. It was a burned out husk at the end. There was huge promise and they had some great and reliable technology to build upon, but they let the whole brand die on the vine.
My wife loved them so much she just bought a 2008 VUE
The 2008 VUE is a rebadged Opel Antara.
Saturn was never profitable for GM.
but I like it and it works.
Hold that there thought fer as long as ye can Mr. Sean. T’isn’t easy in this here, “I’m $o $mart & “bitchin’ too!” $ocial $ociety of “Exceptionali$m”
“The masses are waking up to the fact that the big boyz are playing with other people’s labor.”
Oxy, that’s the nature of the central bank fiat scam.
I have opened a few friends eyes about the subject. I ask them if they really want to know because you’ll view things much more cynically.
Life really much be much simpler for the Amerikan-idol, how much a month club.
Me, I would man the guillotine.
Will someone explain to me why as soon as you get a new job you just have to buy a new car? I remember a close HS friend who didn’t want to go to college so instead at 18 got a job in the mail room at Xerox and by the 3rd paycheck he had a new car…
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So Swanson, 25…even though his new job running a home for mentally disabled people seems to be secure.
In most of the country a “nice” car is easy to rationalize as
1) a new car under warranty gives a (perhaps illusory) feeling of security against repair bills
2) if you buy a new car that gets better mileage you can tell yourself you’re saving money (if you ignore the cost of payments and higher insurance) and the planet (if you ignore the inputs of manufacturing).
3) it is a very public status symbol that might get you dates.
Hmmm I found a station wagon with a bed in the back and curtains did a very good job when i was young..
Station wagon with bed in back/curtains @ 16 years old = SHAG WAGON!
Station wagon with bed in back/curtains @ 30 years old = CREEPY MOLESTER MOBILE!
‘60 Chevy wagon was fun @ 17.
At my age a cabin cruiser is more respectable.
Too funny, ncinerate!!!!
“Gyrations in stocks and talk of a weakening economy rattled Swanson’s confidence about taking on another payment…”
Is it just me, or does anyone else out there buy vehicles without payments? There seems to be this automatic assumption that you can’t buy a car without a loan, or maybe it was a preference of the dealers to convince us payments were normal.
“Also, older cars will still need to be replaced.”
Not so fast. I know of 2 couples who downsized from 2 to 1 vehicles in the last few years. Not exactly a tidal wave, but I’m not in a hard hit area either. I bet the dealers are watching the trends in public transport with a gleam in their eyes.
When my car dies a few months ago, we didn’t replacee it. I can walk to a lot of places and buy groceres on the weekend.Why do I need a car?
Most all supermarkets have people to deliver your groceries. No real need to have a car here.
In NYC yes, elsewhere no.
Axiom rear rack with two Nashbar panniers with 640 cubic inch drybags, a back pack and bungee chords for TP on top of the rack will get you tons of groceries. I am looking into a front rack with panniers to carry even more.
And I’ve got $400 cash mo-nay from not taking the ferry/paying the car toll the last four months. And 1600 miles ridden = 16 pounds lost.
Axiom rear rack with two Nashbar panniers with 640 cubic inch drybags, a back pack and bungee chords for TP on top of the rack will get you tons of groceries. I am looking into a front rack with panniers to carry even more.
Next thing you know, you’ll be getting a bike trailer so that you can really haul the stuff. Speaking of which, take a gander at what I recently brought home with my trailer:
Busted up concrete.
Yup, that’s right. Good old urbanite. Took a few trips to haul it all home, but I was on a bike and what could be better?
Used it for a gardening project. And here’s how things look now that I’m all done.
Nice work! I am still weighing my options of how to “portage” the bambino once he turns 1: trailer, Surly Big Dummy with a comfy car seat to keep him off the axle for less shaking, rear seat on the current bike, front seat. So many choices!
“What’s a dazzling young urbanite like yourself doing in a place like this?” — The Waco Kid
Not so fast. I know of 2 couples who downsized from 2 to 1 vehicles in the last few years. Not exactly a tidal wave, but I’m not in a hard hit area either. I bet the dealers are watching the trends in public transport with a gleam in their eyes.
In my little neck of the woods, people are talking about getting rid of their cars. Or replacing one of the cars with a bicycle.
At some point, the fleet will age so much that driving will have to be cut back. Unfortunately, mass transit is also being cut due to fiscal crises, debt and pensions, and most people aren’t near it.
That leaves bicycles, carpools, and telecommuting.
And you might want to change that suburban zoning, so people can push their shopping cart to at least one store.
Eventually they will replace their vehicles, but J6P will be buying a compact car and not an SUV or a truck. This might be China’s chance to get its foot into the US market with cheaper cars.
The big 3 and to a lesser extent the Japanese and Koreans are addicted to selling trucks and SUVs. The Japanese and Koreans should be able to adapt quickly as they have smaller designs in their home markets. Ford and GM do have foreign subsidiaries that have designs they could leverage, Chrysler will probably end up being a distributor for Fiat.
Maybe the old fashioned station wagon will make a great comeback?? ………ya think?
but J6P will be buying a compact car
In May, many believed sales would reach a healthy 13.5 million this year
Healthy?
That number would have been considered a disaster just a few years ago.
It’s healthier than it was. If I remember correctly we didn’t even top 10.5 million back in 2009 - and that was even with the whole cash for clunkers joke.
I still have plenty of friends in the biz and I’m not hearing about dramatic slowdowns etc. The exception of course being my honda/toyota friends - the local Honda store was down to 22 new cars on the lot last month with only 2 incoming in the next 30 days, this at a store that ordinarily went through over 100-200 new Hondas EVERY month. The earthquake really screwed up their supply situation.
A quick look at the current sales numbers more or less confirms what I’m hearing.
http://www.motorintelligence.com/fileopen.asp?File=SR_Sales11.xls
Sales up from last year almost across the board in July at least - with remarkable drops in Honda/Toyota (over 20% each). I imagine August will look similar when the data hits (possibly with a larger drop for Honda at the very least).
Course, I don’t see 13.5 million sales this year either. I’d put my bets on 11.5-12 million tops - things always slow down as you hit the tail-end of the year.
“things always slow down as you hit the tail-end of the year”
I always assumed a Lexus wrapped in a bow was the standard Christmas gift for your spouse. Huh.
Yeah they probably NEEDED 14 million carsto be sold just to break even…..now they need what 10 million?
So will the “justice” dept. investigate Moodys and Fitch? I highly doubt it. Wonder why they launched this investigation?
~CNBC
ITEM:The Justice Department is investigating whether the nation’s largest credit ratings agency, Standard & Poor’s, improperly rated dozens of mortgage securities in the years leading up to the financial crisis, according to two people interviewed by the government and another briefed on such interviews.
The investigation began before Standard & Poor’s cut the United States’ AAA credit rating this month, but it is likely to add fuel to the political firestorm that has surrounded that action. Lawmakers and some administration officials have since questioned the agency’s secretive process, its credibility and the competence of its analysts, claiming to have found an error in its debt calculations.
In the mortgage inquiry, the Justice Department has been asking about instances in which the company’s analysts wanted to award lower ratings on mortgage bonds but may have been overruled by other S.& P. business managers, according to the people with knowledge of the interviews. If the government finds enough evidence to support such a case, which is likely to be a civil case, it could undercut S.& P.’s longstanding claim that its analysts act independently from business concerns.
“The investigation began before Standard & Poor’s cut the United States’ AAA credit rating this month,”
If the investigation started before the downgrade, then it sounds more like the downgrade was in response to the investigation- not the other way around.
There you go, using math again.
Actually, it was reading skills and logic.
Things do add up.
The investigation is really a message to everyone, and this message says:
“Do not mess with the PTB or else…”
“Wonder why they launched this investigation?”
Perhaps to avoid the temptation of scrutinizing the SEC too closely?
Grassley Questions SEC Over Records Claims
By Joshua Gallu - Aug 18, 2011 1:51 AM PT
U.S. Senator Charles Grassley asked the Securities and Exchange Commission to answer allegations that the agency destroyed files from initial investigations of firms including Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS), SAC Capital Advisors LP and Bernard Madoff Investment Securities LLC.
Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, made the request in a letter to SEC Chairman Mary Schapiro dated yesterday, citing claims by an agency employee that more than 9,000 such files have been purged. The Iowa lawmaker asked Schapiro to explain whether the SEC routinely destroys documents related to so-called matters under investigation that are dropped in their initial phases.
“It doesn’t make sense that an agency responsible for investigations would want to get rid of potential evidence,” Grassley said in a statement. “If these charges are true, the agency needs to explain why it destroyed documents, how many documents it destroyed over what timeframe, and to what extent its actions were consistent with the law.”
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The firm S&P is not a team player. BAD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vhv8cW5sAo
Seems like Uncle Sam is trying to browbeat the sole independent rating agency into conformity.
Seems like Uncle Sam is trying to browbeat the
sole independent rating agency“True$editionist$$erialEnabler$™” into conformity.Speaking of throwing the 1st non-financial “Opinionated” punche$:
“The one who raises his
fist“downgrade” first, is the one who has run out of idea$ first.” H.G. WellsI’m of the mind that the Justice Department is finally starting to get its case-building machine into high gear. Watch for some real barn-burners in the coming months, people. I don’t think that a US v. Goldman Sachs will be out of the question.
I’d like to see Elizabeth Warren drafting the charges, and someone serious like Stanley McChrystal and ten thousand hardened troops arresting these criminals in a round up that would require the FAA to ground all flights out of the country for a week. The country is being robbed blind, and the supreme court sits idle in silence. The financial corruption has metastasized to every regulatory organ of our country; it’s time for a good cleansing, a real purge.
I think the question is which came first the chicken or the egg.
I remember hearing about early stages of an investigation against the rating agencies a year ago. S and P and issued warnings and I believe many were thinking S and P was issuing warnings to ward off or later invalidate an investigation.
Tarp Jr. no compensation restrictions.
4 Mass. banks get $18m from US
Some recipients use funds to repay TARP, raising objections
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2011/08/18/4_massachusetts_banks_get_18m__from_us/?page=2
Apparently the inconvenience of back loading taxpayer payouts to insolvent banks CEOs was too onerous.
As losses accelerate at Flagstar so do “supplemental” pension payments to Mr. Campanelli. Nearly four million in 2010…nice
From the 2011 Flagstar def14a:
The SERP provides a lump sum payment equal to the actuarial equivalent of an accrued annual benefit payable for 23 years. The annual benefit is the sum of monthly accruals of 1.022% of Mr. Campanelli’s eligible compensation, for a maximum of 60 months provided Mr. Campanelli is employed by us on the date of each such monthly accrual. Eligible compensation includes base salary and share salary. The accrued annual benefit equals the annual benefit less any other retirement benefits provided and funded by us, as well as 50% of the benefits to which Mr. Campanelli is entitled from Social Security. As of December 31, 2010, the aggregate of the monthly accruals with respect to the SERP was $406,245 and the actuarial equivalent of the lump sum payment of such amount for 23 years was $4,752,587. The amount accrued with respect to the supplemental retirement pension, assuming a discount rate of 4.25%, in 2010 was $3,822,124 and, in total, $4,752,587 has been accrued since Mr. Campanelli joined us in 2009.
They want their money now!
Refinancing of TARP CPP Funds
The bill calls on the Treasury to implement regulations to permit eligible institutions to refinance securities issued under the CDCI and the CPP for securities to be issued under the Small Business Lending Fund. While this refinancing would not provide any additional capital, it could both reduce the carrying costs of the capital and eliminate many of the executive compensation restrictions required under TARP. Accordingly, we would expect most eligible institutions with CPP funds to give serious consideration to refinancing. However, institutions that have missed more than one dividend payment due under their existing CPP funds are not eligible refinance under the Small Business Lending Fund.
Not TARP, but…
The Senate-adopted bill makes clear that the Small Business Lending Fund program is being established as separate and distinct from the Troubled Asset Relief Program, and that institutions shall not, by virtue of a capital investment under the program, be considered a recipient of TARP funds. Accordingly, the executive compensation restrictions that apply to TARP participants will not apply to institutions participating solely in the Small Business Lending Fund.
However, Congress cannot control public opinion or the news media, and therefore participants in the Small Business Lending Fund program may be painted with the same broad (and negative) brush as TARP recipients. If the program is to prove successful, the administration will need to emphasize both the investment nature of the Small Business Lending Fund and the tangible incentives to encourage lending.
Moreover, the bill permits the Treasury Secretary to implement additional terms “in order to manage risks associated with the administration of the Fund in a manner consistent with the purposes of this subtitle.” Accordingly, while the existing TARP executive compensation restrictions do not apply, the Treasury could, if it desires, implement comparable regulations for participants in the Small Business Lending Fund.
That’s likely…
Yeah, better still…
Simsbury Bank’s TARP refi sweet on paper
Farmington Valley lender SBT Bancorp’s partnership with federal taxpayers to boost small business lending offers benefits for both sides, authorities say.
Better still, terms of the new capital arrangement are less onerous than the conditions that accompanied the TARP funding, he said. For instance, TARP limited how much compensation recipients’ top executives could receive.
“It’s a great benefit to the bank, to the shareholders, to the community.” Bisceglio said.
http://www.hartfordbusiness.com/news20018.html
Bachmann: I’ll bring back $2 gas
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — President Michele Bachmann has a promise: $2 gas.
“Under President Bachmann you will see gasoline come down below $2 a gallon again,” Bachmann told a crowd Tuesday in South Carolina. “That will happen.”
http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/18/news/economy/bachmann_gas_prices/index.htm?iid=HP_LN
If you elect me president I promise candy crapping unicorns, rainbows and big pots of gold. The entire republican primary has turned into something like a freak show.
They hate Ron Paul, in case you haven’t seen this (Jon Stewart on Ron Paul):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EY5Ofcxjs0
…how did Ron Paul become the 13th floor in a hotel?
For this reason alone, I would like to see Ron Paul win a primary, like New Hamphire. Then they would be forced to talk about him.
Frank Zappa: “politics is the entertainment wing of industry”
Dynamo Hummmmmmmmmmmmm.
“Then they would be forced to talk about him.”
And what they would say about him would destroy his chances.
The PTB will do whatever it takes, will say whatever needs saying, to marginalize him or anyone else that threatens the PTB’s power base.
Will be fascinating to watch if this ends up happening. Seems blatantly attempting to marginalize him could backfire. People are awfully tired of the political machine right now and I’m sure more than a few people already look at how the media is treating Ron Paul and getting frustrated. And the fact that Jon Stewart pointed it out on his show should open a lot of eyes that weren’t open before.
Although the Mormon Republican presidential candidates have the good sense to avoid putting religion front and center in their campaigns, non-Mormon Republican candidates do not. There is a hint of “my fundamentalist religious belief is better than yours, because I’m not a Mormon” to the pronouncements of the latter group of religious zealots along the campaign trail. The disciples of Republican candidates of various fundamentalist religious stripes threaten to split the vote.
Got popcorn?
Wednesday, Aug 17, 2011 21:02 ET
Getting to know the Tea Party
It’s the GOP’s white conservative base in silly costumes. Why couldn’t the media figure that out sooner?
By Joan Walsh
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Their far-right religious zealotry is an old story too. We act as though the separation of church and state was a question settled by the Founders, but from the country’s earliest days many Americans believed that only white Protestants are qualified for democracy. There’s a through-line from the evangelical Protestants who burned down Catholic churches and convents in the 19th century, who believed in a religious test for American citizenship, to Texas Gov. Rick Perry and his evangelical-Christians-only Christapalooza in Houston last weekend. Perry’s preacher friends include Catholic bashers who’d make Lyman Beecher proud. We’ve been fighting this impulse for a long time.
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The disciples of Republican candidates of various fundamentalist religious stripes threaten to split the vote.
Other than Rep. Pete Stark (D-CA), we have very few openly atheist people in high office. I’d like to see a lot more of them.
The
disciples“TrueDeceiver’sDisciples™” of Repubican candidates of various “Evangelical” fundamentali$t religiou$ stripes threaten to split the vote.Hwy50 eagerly awaits such a prognostication coming home to roost.
President Michele Bachmann has a promise: $2 gas.
Easy to do.
Bring spending down to levels of when obama first took office
Bring the dollar up to levels when obama first took office
To those of you who forgot:
Average gas prices–January 26, 2009
$1.84
Hope and change, hope and change…
news dot consumerreports.org/cars/2009/01/average-gas-pricesjanuary-26-2009.html
Or she could just crash the economy which is a more likely scenario for getting to $2/gal gas if it were to occur. She seems to be capable of that if little else.
Not easy to do. In 1/2009 we were in the midst of a recession, that’s why crude prices were low, around $40 due to margin calls and forced liquidation. Not but a year earlier crude prices were in the $100+ range in case you forgot. Are you suggesting to crash the economy so we can enjoy lower gas prices? Bachmann might be the right candidate to do just that.
…yet another reason to vote for Ron Paul.
I voted for Ron Paul once and I’m not afraid to do it again.
I will not “throw my vote away” on a lesser candidate.
Ron Paul isnt going to get the nomination. It just wont happen. Like the Daily Show clip showed, they cant even talk about the guy let alone get fired up about him.
However, if he ran as an Independent and we have Perry vs. Obama vs. Paul………I really think Ron Paul could beat out both of them. Some will say Paul takes the votes from Perry and Obama wins, but I just dont think that would be the case. Paul has the young vote, he has the Tea Party vote, and he is the oldest candidate - which means he’ll grab the senior vote. Could get interesting.
“he is the oldest candidate - which means he’ll grab the senior vote. ”
LOL That’s all it takes?
Yes. That, and discounts at the early bird.
What exactly is Paul’s plan for dismantling Social Security?
Give everyone who has paid in what they have paid in and bill everyone who has gotten more than they paid in the difference? That would be reasonably consistent with his philosophy.
Also, not the best way to get the senior votes.
Give everyone who has paid in what they have paid in ??
Fine…I will take that but;
I want a rate of return equal to the rate of inflation plus 2%, for each year, compounded every year I contributed…The 2% in excess of the rate of inflation is because the rate of inflation is typically the lower bar of which I believe I could have earned…And, while your at it, if your going to means test me or take away the Medicare program that I have paid into, I want the same buyout for that….Where do I Sign up ??…
“Paul has the young vote, he has the Tea Party vote”
No he doesn’t. The Tea Party wants their gov cheese even though they don’t admit it. The young vote wants real jobs.
There is still a group of hardcore TP’s that still believe in the goal of a drastically reduced government. They don’t participate in the co-opted version of the party at all.
Theses people know they are going to take a major hit in the reset. These aren’t the people you see on the television.
if paul won and got what he wanted…he would be a one term president.
financial pain and suffering would abound. most people (including here) will say he is the worst president in history.
the country would be better off in the future and 100 years from now they would be saying something entirely different about Ron Paul.
just like Britain needed a Churchill…the U.S. needs a Ron Paul.
just a thought.
I think he’s close to 80 so likely a 1 term president anyway.
Yup. Many are starting to realize that this country needs a guy to come in and dismantle the mess that’s been created and Ron Paul is a pretty good choice for the job. Although he’s a republican, he’s clearly not beholden to either party and based on his age, he likely doesn’t care if he gets re-elected. Seems to me he’s the only candidate that offers any real hope of a change from business as usual.
Is Michelle saying she is going to use the government to try to control a market? What a novel idea…
$2 gas, but only a 2 gallons per day per person. Use it wisely.
She won’t get the nomination, imo. She can toss out all the BS she wants to while trotting around the country side.
I don’t believe what Ron Paul believes.
But at least I believe that Ron Paul believes what Ron Paul believes.
He wants people to give up the old age security, education for their children, and infrastructure that people have come to expect in every developed country.
His argument is that the progressive era has ended, the government has returned to being a corrupt robber that benefits people with power only, and we’re going to lose them anyway, so we might as well not pay.
The rest of the Republican Party has been working to prove him right, and for some reason the Democrats have often gone along with it.
The only president I would be 100% in agreement with would be myself.
I like Paul’s idea on ending military adventurism, monetary & fiscal policy, the FED and personal freedom, including the freedom to screw up and get hurt.
From all other candidates, including Obama, I don’t like ANY of their ideas. Most of them don’t even have any ideas or a plan at all. They simply just say stuff they think gets them elected. Once elected they do whatever their campaign donors want them to do. That’s why I felt compelled to post the Bachmann article. She has no clue how the oil/commodity markets work, no clue on oil reserves, no clue on what OPEC will do, no clue on oil exploration and how difficult/expensive it is to produce oil from deep sea, tar sands or the artic.
But she has to open her mouth and make some ridiculous promise. She or Obama or any other politician have almost zero influence over the gasoline price other than lowering taxes. That just goes to show either how stupid or dishonest (or both) she is. Same goes for all these other clowns.
Ron Paul may talk about ending military adventurism, but Obama has actually been doing it, including the prevention of more military adventurism by taking out a leader of the opposition. How quickly we forget!
And before somebody brings up Libya:
“The total direct expenditures to the United States in Libya over the past six months are less than the costs of one week of Iraq or Afghanistan. This amount for Libya includes military operations, humanitarian aid, and non-lethal assistance.
…it can be assumed that U.S. military operations costs in Libya per month are between $60-$80 million, with total current costs around $1 billion.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/08/compared-to-iraq-and-afghanistan-the-war-in-libya-is-cheap/243483/
Libya is not breaking the bank, y’all.
(I’m not debating whether the US should be involved, I’m just saying that the cost is relatively low.)
“Ron Paul may talk about ending military adventurism, but Obama has actually been doing it,…”
Really? Last time I checked we’re still involved in Iraq, Afganistan and now Libyia. We still have a military budget the size of the rest of the world combined. I am not saying this is specifically Obama’s fault, it is the fault of all those clowns in Congress.
I give up.
We must wage war to end war!
WWI: The war to end all wars.
Don’t forget Somalia and Yeman.
And Pakistan.
There was a budget that was calling for 6 new wars over the next 8 years, but the new Obama budget only plans for 2. That’s a savings of .5 wars per year!
Obama is all for ending wars. For example, just recently he allowed a whole bunch more of our troops to go on an extended vacation to scenic Afghanistan to take a break from all this “war” stuff. I hear they’re loving it over there, lots of nice scenery and beautiful women.
A few lucky troops got to go to Libya too, for hang-gliding and para-sailing.
I know it’s hard to believe, but Obama has expanded on wartime operations thus-far. Now, I’m just a simple country lawyer, but…. It seems to me that expanding wars, raising war budgets, and opening up new fronts of battle, are not examples of a President who seeks to end war. Killing Osama doesn’t change that. The Nobel Peace Prize doesn’t change that either.
Yes, Obama inherited all of this coming into office. I’m not denying that. I’m just saying that if Obama -REALLY- wanted to end the war, he could end it. Tomorrow. People and gear back on the planes home and it’s over.
Would that lead to stability in Iraq and Afghanistan? Probably no more than the current course of action will.
Of course, the sudden reduction of warmongering spending would absolutely crash the economy at a time where it is very much dependent on the military industrial complex spending and employment. Catch-22, anyone?
War is arguably the ultimate state of human anarchy. Yet, there are those that think they can perdict the costs?
Sorry, to rationalize the arguably much smaller costs of the Libyan adventure will come back to haunt us some other day. Because any such arguments will be used as precedent by some “future Cheney” to sell the idea of a much larger adventure.
It’s never a good idea to let these guys off the hook when it comes to the costs of war, big, small, or otherwise.
Paul is much farther to the right then most people realize…
And there’s also that New Republic article. ISTR that, after this article appeared in 2008, the Paul campaign fizzled out.
If you go far enough to the right, you end up at the far left.
“Paul is much farther to the right then most people realize…”
What EXACTLY does this mean? What does Ron Paul believe in that is “farther to the right” than most people realize? What does the far right look like?
Physically to the right… Socially to the right…Nothing in the center…Remembering that I did not say far right…
Drill Baby Drill!!!
Last week I drove through NW New Mexico where there are a ton of oil wells. I would estimate that about 90% of the pumps were idle. When I asked the locals why, their reply was usually something like
“the government wasn’t allowing it” (with their brows raised).
Face it folks, the environmental lobby has control over this administration and much of the government. They would rather shut it down and put a bunch of folks out of work all for the sake of saving the environment (or sticking it to Halliburton).
BTW, if you’ve been to NW New Mexico, there’s not much to it and the people really need the work.
“the government wasn’t allowing it”
can you please explain?
http://wellservicingmagazine.com/voice-nmoga-new-mexico-oil-and-gas-association
“The most recent rules adopted in May of 2008 by New Mexico’s Oil Conservation Commission call for stricter rules concerning oilfield waste pits, below grade tanks and the use of closed loop systems during oil and gas operations. The new pit rules prohibit the use of unlined pits for oilfield water and increase the requirement for lining oilfield pits from 12 mils to 20 mils to protect against seepage of contaminated materials. Pit proximity to municipal water wells is also prohibited. (See Well Servicing January/February 2009, “Dispute over New Mexico pit rule continues.”)
In his testimony before the Oil Conservation Commission prior to its adoption of the regulations, Gallagher said the changes were unnecessary. “We’ve been producing oil and gas for over 90 years in New Mexico, and there has never been one drop of water delivered to customers that was contaminated by our industry,” he testified. He says the new pit regulations have added $150,000 in operating costs for every new well dug in the state.
…In order to combat the state’s restrictive regulatory policies, Gallagher says the NMOGA will continue to try and educate the regulatory agencies about the industry’s concerns, approaching the issues with sound science and common sense.”
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I guess it’s to up to you to decide if the environment is worth 500 jobs. But honestly, this sounds like a good place for a tax credit. Keep the rules, but ask the gov to pay for it or something similar.
I poked around a little and couldn’t find any numbers as to how much money each well produced, but I imagine it’s more than $150K.
That said, I really don’t like that “common sense” phrase, and I hated the Obama used it this week in his speeches. “Common sense” is fast turning into “serves my agenda.” Same with “educate” which is quickly turning into “dispense propaganda.”
“for the sake of saving the environment”
Stupid environment, always getting in the way of our attempts to use millions of years of stored solar energy in 200 years. And to cloak your “arguments” in the promise of jobs? Why didn’t you just say that it was for the children? The children!!!
LIp as strong as your straw man on the street evidence is
Check out the EIA site
Oil production in the US decreased under GWB during the expansion and increased under Obama 2008-2010.
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS2&f=A
Facts say a lot more than BS.
Here’s a summary of an article in Forbes (no friend of Obama)
Yet, on March 29, a report requested by Obama was released by the Department of Interior showing that more than two-thirds of the offshore leases in the Gulf of Mexico and more than half of the onshore leases on federal lands remain idle, neither producing nor under active exploration by companies who hold those leases to drill.
“We continue to support safe domestic energy production, and as this report shows, millions of acres that have already been leased to the industry for oil and gas production sit idle,” Department of the Interior secretary Ken Salazar said.
In the Gulf of Mexico, 34 million acres with an estimated 11.6 billion barrels of oil have been leased. That means companies can indeed drill in those areas. Only 6.3 million acres are currently being drilled.
On land, 54% of onshore acres under lease, and approved in the last two years, are not undergoing any exploration or development at this time.
There are no easy answers. For starters, Alaska’s Chukchi Sea lease in 2008 is still subject to litigation, so few companies want to tap those resources. Nevertheless, the argument that Washington, and President Obama in particular, is not “drill baby drilling” has no statistical merit, judging by the permits coming back after the BP oil spill, the high rig count, and the tens of millions of federal lands open to drilling, but are not being explored.
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2/3 rds of oil permits sit idle
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/01/13/13greenwire-two-thirds-of-federal-oil-and-gas-drilling-per-13123.html
I believe her
With 40% unemployment and the death of the middle class who will burn the oil. Gas prices will collapse.
We are all delighted Mike….
NORFOLK, Va., Aug. 11, 2011 /PRNewswire/ — Heritage Bankshares, Inc. (the “Company”) (OTCBB: HBKS), the parent of Heritage Bank (the “Bank”), has completed a $7.8 million investment transaction under the Small Business Lending Fund program (the “SBLF rogram”).Simultaneously with its closing of the SBLF Program transaction, the Company used the SBLF investment proceeds to redeem the full remaining balance of $7.8 million of shares of preferred stock held by the Treasury pursuant to the Company’s participation in the TARP Capital Purchase Program, thereby satisfying its remaining financial obligations under and otherwise ending its participation in the TARP program. The Company had previously redeemed approximately $2.6 million shares of TARP preferred stock in March 2011.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/heritage-bankshares-inc-ends-tarp-participation-and-completes-small-business-lending-fund-investment-127546478.html
Michael S. Ives, President & CEO of the Company and the Bank, commented:
“As I’ve stated previously, we have no regrets about participating in TARP. However, replacing TARP with an investment under the Small Business Lending Fund program presented a much more attractive option for the Company and our shareholders, and we are delighted to have completed this SBLF transaction. Like TARP, the SBLF preferred stock will count as Tier 1 capital for all regulatory purposes. However, participation in the SBLF has been designed to be less onerous than participation in TARP by, among other things, eliminating restrictions on executive compensation, which could have adversely impacted certain of our strategic growth initiatives. Most importantly, participation in the SBLF provides us with the opportunity to reduce our dividend rate on the SBLF preferred stock to as low as 1%. This dividend reduction should be possible through relatively modest increases in our small business lending, which is our primary lending focus anyway, and in fact it appears that our dividend rate will drop to 1% for the fourth quarter of 2011.
Here’s Paul Krugman with more advice:
“For the fact is that right now the economy desperately needs a short-run fix. When you’re bleeding profusely from an open wound, you want a doctor who binds that wound up, not a doctor who lectures you on the importance of maintaining a healthy lifestyle as you get older. When millions of willing and able workers are unemployed, and economic potential is going to waste to the tune of almost $1 trillion a year, you want policy makers who work on a fast recovery, not people who lecture you on the need for long-run fiscal sustainability… What would a real response to our problems involve? First of all, it would involve more, not less, government spending”.
Ought implies can.
Yes, it’s what we should do, and would be able to do if past administrations didn’t insist on running big budget deficits instead of surpluses when the economy was up. And taking the extra money the government was collecting for baby boomer retirement and blowing it — on past tax cuts and spending for baby boomers.
They have succesfully starved the beast. Now is the time to make them absorb the consequences, rather than exempting them and shift all the pain to younger generations.
“…and would be able to do if past administrations didn’t insist on running big budget deficits instead of surpluses when the economy was up”
What is denial really? A masked ob$ervation or a $elf-Delusion Lite refreshment?
Leonard Burman The Impertinent Economist
“Increasing America’s debt weakens us dome$tically and internationally…Instead, Washington Cheney-$hrub is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the back$ of our children and grandchildren”
A Country in Denial About Taxes:
Investing / Forbes / Jul. 12 2011
“Back in the olden days, we acknowledged that wars cost money and didn’t think that our children should pay the entire cost, with interest. (Imagine that!) There were huge tax increases to finance World War II and the Korean War, and fairly significant ones to pay for Vietnam.”
The open wound analogy is poor because sewing up the wound improves the chances of long term health. More debt for a short term juice of the economy worsens the long term outlook.
Not true if
Unemployment leads to massive unemployment and societal breakdown. People never factor in the crime, arson, and risk of a totalitarian gov forming.
The right hates guys like Chavez, well guess how Chavez got elected! Guess how Hitler came to power.
Heh heh…are the Salon editors sure this article was not really meant for the Onion?
Wednesday, Aug 17, 2011 12:45 ET
Tea Party people less popular than many other hated minority groups
They may want “their country” back, but their country doesn’t really want them
By Alex Pareene
Tea Party people less popular than many other hated minority groups
Reuters/Kevin Lamarque
There is a shadowy group of malcontents in America today, plotting a grand takeover of our political institutions in order to completely remake the country according to their wishes. Despite the fact the members of this group are a small minority of the population, and an unpopular one at that, they seek to infiltrate the courts and the government at every level, in order to replace our long-standing system of law with their own extremist, undemocratic religious code. These true believers are especially dangerous because they think they’re doing God’s work, and you ignore them, or play down the threat they pose to America, at your own risk. This tiny band of fanatics is largely distrusted and despised by regular Americans, but a terrified media coddles them and pretends they’re harmless. I am speaking, of course, of the Tea Parties, a group now officially less popular among Americans than Muslims.
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“I am speaking, of course, of the Tea Parties, a group now officially less popular among Americans than Muslims.”
That wouldn’t be because they’re arguably a bigger threat to more Americans?
These true believers are especially dangerous because
Enough said right there alone.
“TrueBeliever’s™” + “TrueDeceiver’s™” + “TrueHypocrite™” + “TrueAnger™” + “TruePurity™” = The whole #5 “Evangelical Enchilada” wrapped in a white flour tortilla with a little American toothpick flag for decoration.
It is quite understandable. They do not want give more tax, so the benefit of entitlement will have to be cut somehow. And people hate anyone or anything which touches their cakes, no mater they earned it or not.
touches their cakes, no mater they earned it or not ??
I heard a British talking head last weekend regarding this group of people…
“A Government that is big enough to give all the freebie’s is big enough to take it back…Problem is, the people that receive these freebie’s have been marinated in them their entire lives…Some, for generations…They know no other way of living and they don’t want to give it back”….
Too funny….way too funny.
1. Seems like when people are given the CHOICE - not so many want to join a public union.
2. Funny how the WEAC, when it comes to its OWN budget, will layoff at a drop of the hat. When the state needs to do this with its own reduced budget, they fight it tooth and nail.
3. Maybe the teacher union employees should form a union and to on strike against the teacher’s union.
4. How many MILLIONS did the WEAC spend on the recent recall elections? How many jobs could have been saved?????
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WEAC Demonstrates that Union Solidarity is a Thing of the Past
OpenMarket.org | Aug 17, 2011 | TREY KOVACS
The Wisconsin Education Association Council (WEAC), Wisconsin’s paramount teachers union, issued layoff notices to 40 percent of its staff. Union bosses blame Gov. Scott Walkers “union-busting” legislation as the cause for the layoffs. Executive Director of WEAC Dan Burkhalter declared, “We had to make decisions about this budget year that starts in a couple weeks, based on the number of members we have now.” To summarize, the union had to balance their budget.
2banana +1
“When the state needs to do this with its own reduced budget, they fight it tooth and nail.”
Wisconsin didn’t need to reduce their budget until Gov. Walker decided the wealthiest of the wealthy weren’t doing well enough and needed to pay less in taxes.
And union busting was not necessary to balance the budget. The unions were willing to make concessions that were being asked of them.
Study casts doubt on Tea Party’s origin myth. Angry newcomer independents? No. Old school religious/racist Republicans? Yes.
Crashing the Tea Party
By DAVID E. CAMPBELL and ROBERT D. PUTNAM
Published: August 16, 2011
NYTimes
Beginning in 2006 we interviewed a representative sample of 3,000 Americans as part of our continuing research into national political attitudes, and we returned to interview many of the same people again this summer. As a result, we can look at what people told us, long before there was a Tea Party, to predict who would become a Tea Party supporter five years later. We can also account for multiple influences simultaneously — isolating the impact of one factor while holding others constant.
Our analysis casts doubt on the Tea Party’s “origin story.” Early on, Tea Partiers were often described as nonpartisan political neophytes. Actually, the Tea Party’s supporters today were highly partisan Republicans long before the Tea Party was born, and were more likely than others to have contacted government officials. In fact, past Republican affiliation is the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support today.
What’s more, contrary to some accounts, the Tea Party is not a creature of the Great Recession. Many Americans have suffered in the last four years, but they are no more likely than anyone else to support the Tea Party. And while the public image of the Tea Party focuses on a desire to shrink government, concern over big government is hardly the only or even the most important predictor of Tea Party support among voters.
So what do Tea Partiers have in common? They are overwhelmingly white, but even compared to other white Republicans, they had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and they still do.
More important, they were disproportionately social conservatives in 2006 — opposing abortion, for example — and still are today. Next to being a Republican, the strongest predictor of being a Tea Party supporter today was a desire, back in 2006, to see religion play a prominent role in politics. And Tea Partiers continue to hold these views: they seek “deeply religious” elected officials, approve of religious leaders’ engaging in politics and want religion brought into political debates. The Tea Party’s generals may say their overriding concern is a smaller government, but not their rank and file, who are more concerned about putting God in government.
To the NYT - ANYONE who wants to cut government spending is a racist, nazi and militia member.
Cause only government can do good. And the bigger the government, the more good that can be done…
Straw man miscaricature alert!
Indeed PB. NYT did a good job of caricaturing the TP.
Well it is the newspaper of NYC, the hub of “life as we know it”.
List of things we now know are bad from the article:
White
White Bigots
Over 50
Religious
Republican
Wanting their views represented in government.
Developing profile of the threat to America.
The origin of the Tea Party, if only its name, is from a then-record single day fundraising effort for Ron Paul on December 16, 2007, the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party.
Rick Santelli’s 2009 rant-gone-viral is largely responsible to the movement that has emerged since then.
I attended a campaign event for Colorado Gubernatorial candidate Tom Tancredo in October 2010 heavily attended by Tea Partiers. These people are pro-war, pro-Israel, anti-abortion, support Christianity in government (this is very wrong), and at least at this event, were 99% white and at least 75% appear over the age of 50.
But ask Karl Denninger and he will say he started the Tea Party (only to be hijacked by others)…
The Republican party was a respectable party until Reagan got cozy with all the religious zealots back around 1980. A lot of things went off track back then that are coming to fruition right about now. When Carter left office, we had the lowest debt/GDP ratio since after WWII. Reagan was the first of the big spenders that caused debt ratios to explode.
Please tell me you are not holding up Jimmy Carter as an example we should follow…
Do you even rememeber the 1970s…???
I’ll take Jimmy Carter over the Gipper any day of the week.
Gipper drove us deeper into debt and bad mouthed energy conservation making us even more dependent on foreign oil. Zfacts.com will show you where our debt sprang from.
Carter had an oil embargo which hurt the economy not to mention rising inflation.
Who appointed Paul Volker?
Who appointed alan Greenspan?
You guys eat so much of the BS you serve you actually believe it.
Now don’t go Carter bashing just because all of your “Carter bad, Reagan good” friends do. You’re out of your element.
Stick with union goon bashing. That’s where you shine.
lil’ Opie (non-Hawaiian) = “Don’t let the quasi-blackman drive Miss Daisy!”
Well, I see the PTB aided by the MSM are succeeding in their mission to wipe out any opposition. This reeks of the same propaganda (discrediting, blacking out, demonizing, etc.) that has been used against Ron Paul. Now they’re coming down on S&P. Anyone who gets in the way of the flow of money to the pockets of the WallStreet cartel and their proxies will be eliminated.
Census: Bigger percentage of Palm Beach County households renting in 2010
By Adam Playford and Ana Valdes
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 12:08 a.m. Thursday, Aug. 18, 2011
WEST PALM BEACH — By the end of the decade, Palm Beach County residents had shifted away from the stereotypical “American Dream” of owning their homes toward living some of the prime years of their lives in homes they rent, new 2010 Census numbers show.
In 2010, the percentage of people renting instead of buying was the highest it has been in any census since 1980, according to the new data, which will be released today but was provided in advance to The Palm Beach Post and other news organizations.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/census-bigger-percentage-of-palm-beach-county-households-1757358.html - -
Did October arrive two months early this year?
Aug. 18, 2011, 7:51 a.m. EDT
U.S. stock futures slump on growth fears
Weekly jobless claims and CPI data awaited
By William L. Watts, MarketWatch
FRANKFURT (MarketWatch) — U.S. stock futures slumped on Thursday, as fears over global growth prospects and Europe’s ongoing sovereign-debt woes weighed on equity markets around the world.
Futures on the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJ1U -1.78%) fell 173 points to stand at 11,208. Standard & Poor’s 500 index futures (SP1U -1.98%) dropped 21.2 points to 1,168.70, while Nasdaq 100 futures (ND1U -1.98%) lost 43.25 points to trade at 2,132.
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P.S. A one-month increase of 0.5% in retail-level inflation occurs at an annualized rate of (1.005^12-1)*100 = 6.2%.
And weekly new claims for unemployment running above 400,000 is considered consistent with recessionary conditions.
Bulletin
U.S. retail-level inflation rises 0.5% in July; initial jobless claims climb to 408,000
Did October arrive two months early this year?
Iffin it did, Hwy’s Pumpkin’s aren’t ready and there ain’t nothin’ eyes can do ’bouts it neither.
Lucy: Hwy, you’re such a BLOCKHEAD!
Today’s houses:
First, the tear down.
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/16710-Oak-Hill-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20905/37126304_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}
1931 2/1 on ~0.5 acres of land.
Sep 2006 Zestimated as high as $400K.
Aug 2010 Listed at $150K
Now: Pending: $59K
This is a tear-down, no question; but it serves as a price point for nearly raw land. If it were on city water and sewer, I could understand the $60K for a half-acre. But it’s on well and septic.
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And the doable re-hab begging for a lowball.
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/506-Midland-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20904/37129650_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}
4/1 1951 brick rambler 1400 aq ft. The main picture is the back of the house. Idiot flippage going on:
05/22/2011 Listed for sale $249,000
08/02/2006 Sold $600,000
07/14/2003 Sold $359,900
04/23/2001 Sold $235,000
The price is close to the 2002 price, which is what I believe the near-bottom will be in the DC area. However, this house was probably in much better shape in 2002. Now, it won’t pass FHA. Basement is gutted, main house needs cosmetic work, roof is trashed. But it’s on a nice 1-acre lot. My strategy would be to lowball by $70K and spend $50K on fixup and carve out a half-bath.
Oxide,
What are your thoughts on the Silver Spring area? I know its sprawled out so much you cant get a general feel of the “town”, but which in your opinion is a good part of SS? What part would you feel good about buying in?
I think I told this before, but when my wife and I were looking in SS we’d see a nice house in a good neighborhood with a price range in striking distance of what we would pay. Turn the corner and it went from a nice neighborhood to a complete landfill of a neighborhood.
Silver Spring is sprawled because it’s not incorporated… if they don’t know what town it is, they dump it into Silver Spring.
If I could afford it ($500-650k), I would choose something between the Silver Spring and Takoma Metro stations, near MoCo comm college Takoma park campus, especially down the hills to Sligo Creek. Samples:
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/734-Thayer-Ave-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37282994_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-bubble-address}
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/12-Hilltop-Rd-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37283283_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-bubble-address}
The rest of Silver Spring is too hard to explain. Basically, avoid the central splotch, especially where University Blvd crosses New Hampshire Ave, and the Viers Mills swath from Wheaton to Rockville. That’s learn-Spanish-by-immersion land. The rest is okay. Other than that: south is leafy liberal suburbs, north is okay, east has a Jewish influence, west is bordering on wealthier Rockville/Bethesda.
Thanks. We are still a few years away from a home purchase, but its nice to see the trends and such develop around the SS area.
Ive been all around Wheaton and Rockville - some decent areas but nothing Id plunk down a boatload of $$$ for. Need to spend some time in Takoma and see what thats all about.
Takoma is also known (fondly) as the People’s Republic of Takoma Park. Lots of odd businesses dealing with holistic [fill in the blank]. Some houses are painted the oddest colors. Lots of fireflies.
I really like my auto mechanic who is located there. You can pay and pick up until the gas station closes which is much better than getting there before the shop closes at 5:30.
Takoma goes *ahem* international very quickly if you go to far east. Stay closer to the Metro staion. Also a warning: That area is heavily HEAVILY liberal. They shop at the hippie co-op.
Also, the area just up Georgia avenue from the SS metro to the Beltway has some NICE enclaves like Woodside:
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1004-S-Mansion-Dr-Silver-Spring-MD-20910/37318705_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-bubble-address}
But it’s listed at a wishing price of $750K!
I’m in the Wheaton area. It’s a nicer area than you’d expect. Probably the most diverse place I’ve lived in the Maryland side of the DC suburba-plex (this includes living in Kings Park Plaza apartments over on Queens Chapel in Hyattsville). Oxide has it right with the note about the University/New Hampshire area. But Wheaton is nice. Good neighborhood bar, access to the Sligo Creek trail for running and biking. Plus, the place is foodie heaven. Thai food, Korean food, old school delis… you name it. One of the perks about living in “learn-Spanish-by-immersion land” is that you have the luxury of choice between delicious El Salvadoran fried chicken and delicious Peruvian charcoal-roasted chicken for lunch.
Stay closer to the Metro staion. Also a warning: That area is heavily HEAVILY liberal. They shop at the hippie co-op.
Slim takes a quick look around the Ranch. Dang, there’s gotta be a Metro station nearby.
As for shopping at the hippie co-op, I do it! Oh, boy, do I ever. I drop big bucks in that place.
I call the Food Conspiracy food my health insurance. Owing to the consumption of it and my active lifestyle, I do pretty well in the health department.
Methinks that in the coming years, taking care of one’s health will be THE investment.
Plus, the place is foodie heaven. Thai food, Korean food, old school delis… you name it. One of the perks about living in “learn-Spanish-by-immersion land” is that you have the luxury of choice between delicious El Salvadoran fried chicken and delicious Peruvian charcoal-roasted chicken for lunch.
Yeah, but do you have Guatemalan? Ya haven’t lived until you’ve had Guatemalan food.
Uh-oh. Slim’s started a food fight…
You could buy in CA for $250k and play outside year round.
Yeah, and I wouldn’t be able to WORK anywhere.
And more of today’s houses. I admit it, I want one.
Child’s Play, Grown-Up Cash
By KATE MURPHY
Published: July 20, 2011
“APART from the open bar by the swimming pool, the main attraction at parties held at the Houston home of John Schiller, an oil company executive, and his wife, Kristi, a Playboy model turned blogger, is the $50,000 playhouse the couple had custom-built two years ago for their daughter, Sinclair, now 4. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/garden/playhouses-childs-play-grown-up-cash.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=play%20houses&st=cse
[There's still a touch of the old strike-a-model-pose in Kristi's posture.]
[247 comments, most full of justified disgust.]
Click on the slideshow on the left. Nice smattering of cutie-patootie homes populated by filthy rich white kids with arrogant names. Honestly, with some winterizing and a added bath, I could almost live in a couple of these houses myself.
from the article:
“the two-story 170-square-foot playhouse has vaulted ceilings that rise from five to eight feet tall, furnishings scaled down to two-thirds of normal size, hardwood floors and a faux fireplace with a fanciful mosaic mantel.
The little stainless-steel sink in the kitchen has running water, and the matching stainless-steel mini fridge and freezer are stocked with juice boxes and Popsicles. Upstairs is a sitting area with a child-size sofa and chairs for watching DVDs on the 32-inch flat-screen TV. The windows, which all open, have screens to keep out mosquitoes, and there are begonias in the window boxes. And, of course, the playhouse is air-conditioned. This is Texas, after all.
“I think of it as bling for the yard,” said Ms. Schiller, 40. ”
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Is this a great country or what? And some people actually think these people should pay a bit more in taxes, so they can sacrifice with the rest of us in this time of economic meltdown. Well, what about the playhouses? How would they be maintained? That’s the kind of thing these ‘progressives’ never think about.
You know there are a huge number of super rich Progressives and other fringe nuts. Having met some of them in a past life, I KNOW they do not want to pay any more taxes, they are some of the most selfish stingy people I have ever met.
The Progressives and other fringe nuts are demonizing the “rich” so that they can go after the the demographics with the most taxable income combined. That would be the $50k to $250k + salaried workers who at most have their 401k/IRA and MID to shelter a portion of their income. The real rich are in tax free muni’s or collect revenue from capital gains which are taxed at a much lower rate. Those rich people will never be touched by tax increases.
The middle class — The other white meat.
an oil company executive
their daughter, Sinclair
Sounds like he’s truly a “TrueCompanyMan™”
Apparently not…
http://people.forbes.com/profile/john-d-schiller/62050
Mr. Schiller’s [age 51] career spans 30 years in the oil and gas industry.
Modification readily doable:
Sounds like he’s truly a “TrueOilIndu$trialMan™”
Daughter: “Sinclair”
Hairless Chihuahua: “Valero”
Pet weasel: “Exxon”
European Office Secretary: “Esso”
I got my kids some great cardboard boxes. 8 in total, and each could hold 5 cubic feet. They could go in the boxes, or use the boxes to build a small castle.
I am reminded of a Simpsons episode where bart orders free shipping materials from a delivery company that uses brown trucks. He literally build a castle with them.
Pirate ship, play house, school house, and jail. Add socks and it was a skating ring. Big empty cardboard boxes supplied our imaginations with a lot of hours of play as kids. My brother is in the entertainment field these days.
Calvin’s (of Calvin and Hobbes) big cardboard box was alternately a transmorgrifier (sp?) or a time machine. Whatever he decided it was at that moment. To our little ones (at the time) a large cardboard box could be a car, train or airplane and possibly other things I wasn’t aware of.
You guys, if we only knew how precious our childhoods were, we would have really appreciated them. I was in a rush to grow up. When my niece & nephew were younger, and wanted to play Twister, I was happy to join in. Staying in shape has its rewards.
“There are a number of companies and independent craftsmen that make high-end playhouses, which can cost as much as $200,000, and come in a variety of styles, including replicas of real houses, like the Schillers’, and more-fantastical creations like pirate ships, treetop hideouts and fairy tale cottages. And many of these manufacturers report that despite the economic downturn, they are as busy as ever.”
“Childhood is a precious and finite thing,” Ms. Butler said. “And a special playhouse is not the sort of thing you can put off until the economy gets better.”
One isn’t going to be gd disadvantaged if they don’t have a $200k playhouse as a child. That whole article is nauseating beyond belief.
When I was eight, my buddy from down the block and I got permission from the garage on the corner to build a fort out of used tires out behind the station. It was a blast!
Yellow Jackets were problematic though.
Blue, that’s pretty creative. I like that idea.
We took a bunch of balls, buckets, fake goldfish in water, and other stuff, and made a game carnival. Hey, it kept us out of mischief for hours at a time.
One isn’t going to be gd disadvantaged if they don’t have a $200k playhouse as a child. That whole article is nauseating beyond belief.
A real Marie Antoinette moment. I guess that’s why the super rich need their taxbreaks.
+1 for Marie Antoinette mention and previous post today about manning the guillotine. How the 0.1%er pigmen are making out:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/business/income-inequality/
In some ways I consider this to be worse…
When Marie Antoinette rebuilt the Petit Trianon she was seeking privacy not publicity. I’m sure excesses of this kind have probably gone on as long as there have been rich people, but our reality TV world has made the masses interested in this stuff as a source of “wealth porn” instead of a source of class outrage. (For now.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petit_Trianon
playhouse up to “$200,000″
That’s 50% of the cost of our next home.
This type of parenting reminds me of my nieces and nephew. Trips to Europe and NYC, private schools, attitudes, and yet, no thank you for $50 in their B-Day cards, and holiday $ from us. “Gratitude Deficiency”
My other half told me to stop the free money this year.
My mother used to send monetary gifts to my three cousins. (They were the children of my father’s younger sister.)
After several years of not getting any response, she stopped sending them. AFAIK, there were no howls of protest from anyone in my father’s family.
Thanks for the reedback, Az SLim. I’ll take your Mom’s experience as a distant lesson.
Jobless Claims Rise 9,000 - Reuters
New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits rose more than expected last week, according to a government report on Thursday that suggested hiring in August was steady but not robust.
Dax down 4.65% and CAC down almost 4% as of 14:12 their time. Another fun day ahead.
My advice (FWIW): Go to cash and stay there until P/Es go below eight.
What’s the current PE for DOW, S&P and Nasdaq?
US markets already halted
That was quick!
Gonna have to call out the super pumper trucks!
~ Russia halted it’s trading also.
Time for the G-7 central banker fire brigade to ride to the rescue, with financial liquidity fire hoses in hand…
Looks like the PPT has a thing about Dow 11,000, which I’m not sure will hold.
For me, it isn’t even worth a joke until…Dow 10,000!
North Las Vegas to close rec centers and layoff 21 teamsters
By Heather Klein
North Las Vegas, NV (KTNV) - The city of North Las Vegas finally balances its budget, but the price is too high for some of its citizens. This latest budget decision will close all of the city’s recreation centers. The vote will also cost 21 more teamsters in the city to lose their jobs.
In a special meeting held before the city council meeting, members voted to raise rates and fees to help save parks and recreation, but during the regular meeting Action News learned it wouldn’t be enough. They need 1.5 million to keep them open.
“We will be filing a lawsuit, not a temporary restraining order, we’re going to take them to court because enough is enough,” Steve Harvey, the Vice President of Teamsters Local 14, says.
Teamsters say they will file a lawsuit immediately to stop the layoffs.
Why are Teamsters working at a local senior citizen rec enter in Las Vegas???
It almost sounds like a movie - Hangover Part 8
It’s Vegas baby.
Treasury yields still seem to be trying to price in a double-dip recession. If there is a silver lining to the latest Wall Street crash, then at least interest rates are low. Why not go out and buy ten investment homes, while the low rate environment lasts?
P.S. I can’t help but wonder how Bill Gross feels at this point on his decision earlier this year to get out of U.S. Treasurys, as it seems like there has never been a better time to own them.
Aug. 18, 2011, 9:15 a.m. EDT
Treasury yields head back toward record lows
By Deborah Levine, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Treasury prices rose on Thursday, pushing yields back toward record lows set earlier this month, as global stock markets dropped and worries about European banks increased.
Yields on 10-year notes (10_YEAR -5.54%), which move inversely to prices, fell 8 basis points to 2.09%. They touched 2.08% before the data, heading back to the record low of 2.03% set on Aug. 9. A basis point is 1/100th of a percentage point.
Yields on 2-year notes (2_YEAR -6.03%) slipped 1 basis point to 0.18%, after falling within 1 basis point of the all-time low of 0.16%.
Capital market volatility may have declined, but worries about global growth are still driving stock indexes sharply lower. The Federal Reserve’s annual get-together in Wyoming next week will have a lot to live up to.
Thirty-year bond yields (30_YEAR -4.07%) declined 9 basis points to 3.48%.
U.S. stock futures pointed to a lower opening, with futures for the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJ1U -1.00%) showing the index losing another 200 points. See more on U.S. stock futures.
“Lower domestic equities and a refocus on the weakening economic outlook supported the long-end of the Treasury market,” said strategists at CRT Capital Group.
…
If there is a silver lining to the latest Wall Street crash,
Silver / Gold / …Oil
$torage! $torage! $torage!
Crude oil declined the most in more than a week, leading commodities lower around the world amid concern that economic growth in the U.S. and China is slowing.
Mark Shenk, On Thursday August 18, 2011 / Bloomberg
I know how I feel about not listening to Gross. Shilling called it right. Now question of the day.
Because the yield is low, despite some upward price appreciation in times of fear.
I’m with Bill -
Cry me a river.
Big banks slammed
Wall Street swoons as selling in bank shares spreads across from the Atlantic to Wall Street. Tech sector’s also hit hard. Shell-shocked investors flee for the safety of bonds and gold.
Market Pulse Archives
Aug. 18, 2011, 9:37 a.m. EDT
B. of A. falls 6% as financials drive market lower
By Greg Morcroft
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. financial stocks fell sharply in early trade on Thursday, pacing declines of more than 1% in the broader market after European banks swooned on a report that the government is signaling concerns about the strength of their U.S operating arms. The latest economic data from the U.S., showing rising jobless claims and retail inflation did nothing to lighten investors’ dour mood. All of the nation’s top handful of banks fell at least 2% to 4%. Bank of America Corp (BAC -8.24%) led decliners with a 6% drop. Citigroup Inc (C -9.25%) fell 5%, J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. (JPM -4.68%) fell 3.5%, Morgan Stanley (MS -6.00%) shed 5%, Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC -4.54%) dropped 2.9% and Goldman Sachs (GS -3.65%) lost 3.6%. The Financial Select Sector SPDR RETF (XLF -5.07%) dropped almost 4%
How is gold a safe haven if it is at an all time high?
I have a chart through 2010 for food stamp participation rates using SNAP data. Does anyone have a chart updated through Q2 2011?
Rate on 30-year mortgage falls to lowest on record
Average rate on 30-year fixed mortgage falls to 4.15 percent, lowest on records dating to 1971
WASHINGTON (AP) — The average rate on a 30-year fixed mortgage has fallen to its lowest level on records dating to 1971.
The rate on the most popular mortgage dipped to 4.15 percent from 4.32 percent a week ago, Freddie Mac said Thursday. Its previous low of 4.17 percent was reached in November.
The last time long-term rates were lower was in the 1950s, when 30-year loans weren’t widely available. Most long-term home loans lasted 20 or 25 years.
Few expect even record-low rates to energize the depressed home market. Over the past year, the average rate on the 30-year fixed mortgage has been below 5 percent for all but two weeks. Yet prices and sales remain unhealthy and are holding back the overall economy.
Five years ago, the average 30-year fixed rate was near 6.5 percent. In 2000, it exceeded 8 percent.
After previous recessions, housing accounted for 15 percent to 20 percent of overall economic growth. This time, in 2009 and 2010, housing contributed just 4 percent to the economy.
NYCboy is still on record with the 4% call.
So, is it better to be employed and pay 8% on a 30 year or be unemployed and pay only 4.15%?
Hmmmmmm
So what’s happening with the stock market today? Is it just savvy investors taking some profits? LOL!
Wonder what Kudblow & Cramer are saying… Buy,Buy,Buy!
Kudlow’s gonna have a heart attack. These days compared to Kudlow, Cosmo is a lot saner. And that’s saying something!
I’ll bet 10 to 1 these guys are heavily invested in treasuries. They want to sell the sheeple on stocks.
Well I’m heavily into Treasuries too. And I’m not interested in selling anyone on any asset class.
So there.
These guys are used car salesmen.
They will always tell you that you need to buy this car quickly even if they don’t believe it.
Looks like people can’t get mortgages…
Sales of existing homes fall 3.5% in July
Marketwatch | 8.18.11 | Steve Goldstein
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Sales of existing homes fell 3.5% in July to an eight-month low, with a high cancellation rate again taking its toll on an already troubled market, according to data released Thursday.
The National Association of Realtors said sales fell to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 4.67 million…Economists polled by MarketWatch had expected a 4.99 million annual rate.
The numbers for the second straight month went against the increase in pending home sales, again showing the difference between agreed and closed transactions.
“Looks like people can’t get mortgages…”
Either that, or the people who want them can’t get them, while the people who can get them don’t want them.
J6P seems to be waking up
This is not my style however it seems to be floating around today especially among my friends who also happen to be Rush Limba following nuts. (Please beware of profanity being used in this episode).
http://www.youtube.com/embed/-McpNtHet3w
Ra$h Limpbaugh$
Ha,
All that f#@K this, f#@K that, China, lil’ Opie, yo “B”, blah, blah, blah-angry…not x1 word mentioning “TrueDoNothing™ / “TrueObstructionists™ / TrueGridLokers™” US CONgress,..or how National policy is [not] legislated.
Un-informed Anger Rules! Go all “Evangelical” on folks! Drop to yer knees, and pray for rain!
Philly Fed factory activity index worst in 2-1/2 yrs
August 18, 2011
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A gauge of factory activity in the Mid-Atlantic region plummeted in August, falling to the lowest level since March 2009 and casting more doubts on the strength of the economic recovery, a survey showed on Thursday.
The Philadelphia Federal Reserve Bank said its business activity index dropped to minus 30.7 from positive 3.2 the month before and was far below economists’ expectations for positive 3.7, according to a Reuters poll. It missed the poll’s lowest forecast for minus 10.0.
It was the biggest month-over-month drop since October 2008, during the heart of the credit crisis.
Any reading above zero indicates expansion in the region’s manufacturing. The survey covers factories in eastern Pennsylvania, southern New Jersey and Delaware.
It is seen as one of the first monthly indicators of the health of U.S. manufacturing leading up to the larger national report by the Institute for Supply Management.
U.S. stocks extended losses immediately following the report, sending the S&P 500 down more than 4 percent. U.S. Treasuries prices added to gains, while the dollar extended its gains against the euro.
New orders fell to minus 26.8 from positive 0.1. The employment components worsened, with the gauge of the number of employees falling to minus 5.2 from positive 8.9, and the average work week index dropping to minus 14.4 from minus 5.4.
“It looks pretty bad across the board, especially with new orders,” said Gus Faucher, director of macroeconomics at Moody’s Analytics in West Chester, Pennsylvania.
“It shows demand is softening. Businesses are anxious at this point.”
Softening?
“worst in 2-1/2 yrs”
Current date = 8-2011
2-1/2 yrs ago = 2-2009
Note the Dow Jones Industrial Average was several thousand points lower than its current level back in February 2009; just sayin’…
NetApp’s Blunt Comments On Demand Blow Up The Tech Sector
http://news.yahoo.com/netapps-blunt-comments-demand-blow-tech-sector-153044206.html
“Tech stocks are getting shellacked this morning, thanks in part to some blunt and disturbing remarks on enterprise IT spending trends made on yesterday afternoon’s NetApp earnings call. The bottom line: demand is falling off a cliff, in particular in the U.S. federal and financial sectors.”
“Unfortunately, business softened dramatically during the last few weeks of July under the weight of the debt ceiling crisis and macroeconomic uncertainty,” NetApp CFO Steve Gomo said on the call, which followed a highly disappointing July quarter earnings report. “Our growth rate in July ended up at about half of our growth rate in May.“
I thought it was because our Pres said the housing market hasn’t bottomed yet.
Correct we only have to wait 12 to 18 months before home sales turn and start to rise again according to Barry.
Now I can go to the Hamptons!
Eurozone fights over collateral for Greek bailout
BRUSSELS (AP) — A 109 billion euro ($157 billion) international bailout for Greece ran into trouble Thursday after at least five countries demanded that the Greek government give them cash as collateral in exchange for their contributions to the rescue fund.
The Netherlands, Slovenia, Austria and Slovakia said Thursday they wanted hundreds of millions of euros in collateral just like Finland, which struck a deal with the Greek government on Tuesday to receive cash as security for the Finnish part of the bailout.
The pro-European Finnish government demanded the collateral from Greece in response to the increasing popularity of an anti-bailout nationalist party that made sizable gains in April elections.
Even with five nations demanding extra security for their loans in response to the Finnish deal, the amount of cash would probably not be large enough to scuttle the bailout entirely. But it could drive up the overall cost of the bailout, as Greece would need extra funds to put up collateral on top of servicing its debts, paying workers’ salaries and meeting other financial obligation.
The demands for collateral also reveal growing fissures in the eurozone’s efforts to rescue Greece and other struggling countries and ultimately safeguard the common currency.
With the Finnish collateral deal, “a message is being sent to countries (that) if you have a euro-sceptic vote, you are actually being rewarded for it,” said Pieter Cleppe, the head of the Brussels office of think tank Open Europe.
How does that work, puttin up cash as collateral for a loan?
Excuse me, but if I had the money, I wouldn’t be here asking for a loan!
See that’s what folks like ’bout Hope & Change, occasionally it comes round about!
August 18, 2011, 12:33 pmMergers & Acquisitions
Hewlett-Packard Said to Be Near $10 Billion Deal and P.C. Spinoff
By DEALBOOK
Hewlett is also planning to spin off its personal computer business, Bloomberg says. The technology company reports its quarterly results after the stock market closes on Thursday.
Shares of Hewlett-Packard, which had been down sharply along with the rest of the technology sector, surged after the report before a circuit breaker paused trading in the shares.
“Cut with the negative waves Kelly, it’s gonna be a mother-beautiful $pin-off!”
Ummm, wait a minute. Isn’t the PC business what they picked up when they bought Compaq?
Looks like that wasn’t such a hot acquisition after all.
I am still convinced to this day that Czarly Fiorina did the merger to buy time as HP’s numbers under her watch were horrible. The merger provided a distraction from that and I think she was hoping that a rising tide would lift HP’s boat. It didn’t and she was fired.
During my final years at HP it became painfully obvious that HP was getting out of the hardware business. And what hardware we still sold we just bought from someone else. Forinstance we just slapped our logo onto Enterprise Tape Libraries that we bought from Quantum and StorageTek/Sun/Oracle. Midrange and low end stuff was all OEM too.
The first golf club to become a “victim” on the grand strand in several years.
- Island Green will be latest Myrtle Beach area course to close
Golf club another apparent victim of tough economy
By Alan Blondin - thesunnews.com
Members of the 31-year-old Bill Mooney design off S.C. 707 in Myrtle Beach were greeted Wednesday at the clubhouse with a photocopied printout stating the course will be permanently closing.
Island Green’s closing could be the first of multiple course closings along the Grand Strand as a market that has approximately 90 courses vying for public rounds between Southport, N.C., and Georgetown continues to feel the effects of a recession.
The 6,382-yard par-72 layout is one of seven Strand courses managed by Signature Golf Group, and is on the lower end of greens fees in the area.
Course superintendent Damon Ryba would not comment on the closing and several Signature Golf Group executives and employees did not return phone calls and messages seeking comment Wednesday night.
Men’s and women’s golf groups based at Island Green are playing their final matches Thursday, and a representative for Signature Golf Packages said Wednesday he was told not to book rounds on the course after Wednesday.
Island Green was a 27-hole course until nine holes closed in 2005 for redevelopment.
It’s the first 18-hole Strand course to close in nearly four years. The Strand lost 20 courses between 2005 and 2007 during a housing building boom, but the housing market plummeted shortly after many of the courses closed, building plans fell through and most properties remain undeveloped. It appears Island Green may suffer the same idle fate for the foreseeable future.
A number of golf groups and social groups have been based at Island Green.
“A lot of us knew each other there from the beginning,” said Gail Boyd, who has been a member there with her husband for about 25 years. “It was one of the friendliest courses on the Strand. A lot of us will be hurting. Island Green is really dear to us.”
Still too many golf courses in this country. A couple of days ago the Sarasota paper had an article about how low the summer rates had gotten at some courses in that area. IIRC one course was charging less than $15 for an 18-hole round. Article didn’t say if that included a cart.
Coastal Florida courses are so flat you really don’t need a cart. Oh wait, I forgot about Florida’s demographics.
Given corn prices it might be time to plow up those corse and start growing corn.
Sears Hardware closing in Grafton,Wisconsin
By Doris Hajewski of the Journal Sentinel Aug. 18, 2011
Sears will close a hardware store at 1715 Wisconsin Ave. in Grafton In December as part of a nationwide shutdown of 29 stores.
Sears Holdings Inc. announced the store closings as part of the company’s second quarter financial report Thursday. Sears lost $146 million in the quarter ended July 30.
I reported earlier on the closing of the Kmart store in Burlington in November as part of the same national reduction of stores. The 29 stores include 10 Kmart stores, three Sears stores, 12 hardware and appliance stores, two Sears Auto Centers and two Great Indoors stores.
Sears also will convert 14 Sears Grand stores to Kmarts, and will close seven product repair centers.
In addition to the jobs lost to the closings, the company will eliminate 250 support positions.
Sears is so obsolete. Does anyone still shop there?
Just for major appliances. But how often do you need a new washer or dryer or refrigerator?
BTW, washers (in particular) and dryers seem to last a LOT longer than they did when wifey and I started our family in the 1970s. Yes, there aren’t as many loads in a week as before, but I remember when a year didn’t go by without at least one repair visit. Our current washer and dryer are over (knock on wood) eight years old, including two moves, with no repairs.
The new ones dont get clothes very clean according to Consumer Reports.
We have a couple of Maytag Neptunes that fit that bill. Of course the cost a lot more than those old top load washers did at the time.
“Does anyone still shop there?”
I bought my washer and dryer there last year. I am happy with them both.
At South Coast Plaza, on the wealthy side of Santa Ana/Costa Mesa, they shifted merchandise and signage to attract Hispanics. Bad move.
More nations may see credit downgraded
By Kathy Chu, USA TODAY
The U.S.’ loss of its triple-A rating is the latest in a string of ratings downgrades for developed economies as their growth slows and debt rises. Portugal, Greece and Ireland are among the nations that have seen their credit ratings cut in the past year by at least one of the three major U.S. ratings agencies. Spain and Japan have been warned their ratings could be lowered.
There was speculation in global markets that France could be downgraded. However, Standard & Poor’s, Moody’s Investors Service and Fitch Ratings all affirmed their triple-A ratings on French bonds in response to market fears.
The U.S. is the world’s largest economy, but S&P’s new rating of AA+ on U.S. debt “reinforces the broader trend of Western developed markets seeing their creditworthiness decline” at the same time that emerging markets are becoming better credit risks, says Frederic Neumann, co-head of Asian economic research at HSBC.
Many of the world’s largest economies have a “much-diminished ability” to expand, create jobs and lift consumer spending, given high deficit and debt levels, wrote Edward Marrinan, a macro credit strategist for RBS Global Banking & Markets, in an Aug. 5 report.
As the global economy recovers from a recession, further downgrades are “certainly possible,” Marrinan said in an interview. “We saw a rating action on a borrower that was widely thought to be the strongest credit.”
Two other triple-A-rated nations, the United Kingdom and France, are likely to be downgraded due to growth and credit concerns, predicts Win Thin, global head of emerging markets strategy for Brown Bros. Harriman in New York. And it’s only a “matter of time” before Belgium is downgraded, Thin wrote in an Aug. 8 report, while Japan, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Portugal could also see their ratings cut.
European Shares Fall Most Since March 2009
Thursday, 18 Aug 2011 | By: Reuters
European equities suffered their biggest daily fall in two and a half years on Thursday, as a slew of data cast further doubt on the strength of the recovery in the world’s biggest economy.
German shares [.GDAXI 5602.80 -346.14 (-5.82%) ] lost most, with traders citing the effects of a short-selling ban on financial stocks in other parts of Europe and intensifying worries about politicians’ lack of a plan to address the euro zone sovereign debt crisis.
The European banking sector [.SX7P 137.76 -9.95 (-6.74%) ], exposed to the euro zone debt crisis, fell 6.6 percent and is down 29.7 percent this year.
Heavyweight fallers included Barclays [BARC-LN 154.00 -19.95 (-11.47%) ] and Societe Generale [SOGN.PA 21.60 -3.04 (-12.34%) ] both down 11.6 percent.
Germany’s Commerzbank [CBKG.DE 1.899 -0.221 (-10.42%) ] fell 10.5 percent.
The FTSEurofirst 300 index [.FTEU3 925.19 -46.68 (-4.8%) ] of top European shares ended the session provisionally 4.9 percent lower at 923.85 points, the biggest fall since March 2009.
“The market is beginning to price in a recession. The Philadelphia Fed number was an absolute abomination,” Michael Hewson, market analyst at CMC Markets, said.
“And until we get some clear idea of how policymakers are going to deal with euro zone sovereign debt problems, it’s not getting to get any better.”
Los Angeles to Standard & Poor’s: You’re fired
(CBS/AP) August 18, 2011
LOS ANGELES - The city of Los Angeles will no longer hire Standard & Poor’s to rate its $7 billion general investment pool because the firm recently downgraded the city’s portfolio from AAA to AA.
Interim Treasurer Steve Ongele says the city has lost faith in S&P’s judgment. Los Angeles isn’t alone in receiving negative attention from a ratings agency. Bloomberg News reported Wednesday that Fitch Ratings downgraded the rating of New Jersey’s general obligation bonds to AA-, the agency’s fourth-highest grade.
The Los Angeles Times reports Ongele told the City Council’s Budget and Finance Committee this week that the city should be proud for cutting ties with S&P.
He notes the market crash that came with the real estate debacle occurred because rating agencies like S&P gave unworthy corporations AAA ratings. Ongele says canceling the contract will save the city $16,000 a year.
I’m starting a new rating agency called Always Triple A.
I will be the only employee.
Cities can pay me to rate their treasuries which I will do by throwing a dart at a board that is covered with AAA ratings or one small square that says tray again.
NYCHA faces massive layoffs, homes that can’t be repaired
Therealdeal.com
The New York City Housing Authority will face a $200 million budget shortfall that could result in 3,000 service job layoffs or 70,000 apartments going without “even basic repairs,” according to a blog post by John Rhea, NYCHA’s chairman, reported by City Limits.
Despite some federal financial assistance during the recession and the sale of some assets, NYCHA is in dire straits because Congress has allocated less than $4 billion to national public housing authorities, despite the $5 billion City Limits said the agencies need to fully operate.
The budget shortfall has become a growing problem for NYCHA, as public housing complexes in the East Village and Lower East Side, in particular, have more than 100,000 backlogged repair orders, according to previous reports, and undermanned safety inspectors are allegedly taking shortcuts to meet quotas. As of February, the agency oversees 178,882 apartments in the five boroughs.
The agency has warned of possible layoffs for some time, but until the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development determines how much it can allocate in funding — which it should announce in December — NYCHA will take no action.
Oh man, I love this…
China’s newly rich are flaunting wealth — and giving Communist rulers a headache. By Keith B. Richburg, Thursday, August 18 W.Post
BEIJING — China’s new rich love luxury products — imported French handbags, Italian sports cars — and even more, they love to show off their bling.
That seems to be creating headaches for China’s Communist rulers, who after three decades of exhorting their subjects to get rich are facing growing discontent over a widening income gap. Officials now talk about making sure wealth is more evenly distributed, and how to get the rich to tone it down.
As the global economy melts down, and China tries to accelerate its shift to a more consumer-led growth model, Beijing’s leaders see luxury items as a lucrative revenue source. Many Chinese now buy luxury products in Hong Kong or abroad to avoid China’s high taxes, so officials are debating a move to slash tariffs to encourage consumers to shop at home.
But government is loath to be seen as taking any new measures to support the sliver of the population that can afford that pricey new Hermes bag or latest Ferrari, and has delayed any decision on cutting tariffs, according to Chinese media reports and industry analysts.
“The government is facing a conflict,” said Michael Ouyang, representative of the World Luxury Association in China. “They don’t want to promote luxury because they are worried people who cannot afford it will see the advertisements. But they don’t want to limit luxury products because it’s good for the economy. So they’re facing a dilemma.”
It doesn’t help the government’s case when the rich keep showing off their bling.
China’s newly rich are flaunting wealth — and giving Communist rulers a headache. By Keith B. Richburg, Thursday, August 18 W.Post
Well, isn’t this a small world? Keith B. Richburg and I were…
…college classmates.
We were in a couple of biology classes together, and he used to draw these outrageous cartoons of our professor. Dang, they were funny.
He’d nudge my elbow, and it was everything I could do to keep from busting out laughing. So, I’d just smile at him instead.
Years later, my romantically-impaired brain finally figured out that Keith was trying to flirt with me. (Note to the men on this blog, be forewarned, when it comes to flirting, 99% of it flies right over my head. I really am that slow to figure it out.)
Any-hoo, I also knew Keith from our school paper. He was a reporter and an editorial cartoonist. Even then, it was pretty obvious that his writing talents would take him a very long way. He got hired by the Washington Post right out of school.
Another of our classmates went on to win the Pulitzer Prize. And then there was the guy who won the National Book Award. Plus there’s a gal who’s a regular on NPR.
Me? I decided, thanks to my experience on that school paper, that daily journalism was the last place on earth I wanted to be for my career.
Ga. jobless rate increases to 10.1 percent in July
Associated Press, 08.18.11
ATLANTA — Georgia’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate rose to 10.1 percent in July, up two-tenths of a percentage point from 9.9 percent in June and the same as a year earlier, state Labor Commissioner Mark Butler said.
Butler said the increase announced Thursday was due primarily to seasonal layoffs, with about 80 percent of them in state and local education, similar to the pattern of job losses reported in June.
Georgia lost 30,200 jobs in July, as total jobs dropped eight-tenths of a percentage point to 3,789,600. In addition to 24,500 jobs lost in government and education, business services lost 2,200, while construction lost 1,800.
Butler said there were 28,400 fewer jobs than in July of last year, although manufacturing jobs increased by 1,400.
That must mean that Georgia’s U6 rate is in the 18% range.
Nothing like being unemployed in Hotlanta.
Is the Fed Preventing a Housing Market Rebound?
theatlantic August 18, 2011
Its latest policy to keep interest rates near zero through mid-2013 could backfire and prevent home sales instead of encouraging them
Basic economic theory says that when mortgage interest rates are low, consumers should feel more encouraged to buy a home. But right now, that intuitive theory might not hold. Kathleen Madigan at Real Time Economics proposes that the Federal Reserve’s latest proclamation — that short-term interest rates would be kept near zero through mid-2013 - might discourage home buying. Could this be possible?
When Certainty Can Hurt
This might seem like a backwards idea. To be sure, the last thing that the Fed would aim for is to make the housing market worse off. So why would it allow one of its policies to keep home sales artificially low? This might be an unfortunate and unintended consequence of its desire to calm the broader market.
The logic works here because home prices are declining. Nobody is sure how far they might fall or when they’ll finally hit bottom. But we can feel fairly confident that prices aren’t there yet. But what do we now know? Interest rates will be low for another two years. So why hurry to buy a home now?
Savvy potential home buyers who can wait the market out now have a good reason to do so. They don’t have to worry about interest rates rising before the market bottoms. Instead, they can wait for the market to continue to decline. If it appears to bottom out in the next two years, then they can step in and finally buy at that time. But if prices keep declining over this period, then they’ll be smart to buy in the first half of 2013, just before interest rates might begin rising. In the near-term, you might be better off waiting.
This actually makes a lot of sense. Prior to the Fed’s August revelation, one of the best arguments for why it might make sense to buy a home in the near future was that interest rates will rise. As long as the Fed is holding them down, then this argument begins to disintegrate.
“Is the Fed Preventing a Housing Market Rebound?”
Isn’t that their policy goal? And if it is not, how come they are pursuing it?
Global Worries Slam Wall Street; VIX Soars 40%- AP
Like an out-of-control cyclone, speculation that Europe’s banks are beginning to suffer the contagion of Europe’s sovereign debt crisis ripped across global markets, taking bank shares and equities markets lower. That speculation, collided in a perfect storm, with a string of weak U.S. economic reports, which helped fan worries about waning global growth
I was watching the Dow over on Marketwatch to see if the PPP would get it over 11,000 at the close, and it was enough to make me put on a tin foil hat.
With less than 3 minutes to go, a bunch of buying pushed the index over the 11,000 mark a 1 minute to go, but they struck to soon. Someone started selling as soon as they got to 11,000, and the market ended below that level.
More fun than a horse race.
They tried, but they couldn’t do it. The selling pressure today must have been immense.
I’m curious whether Congress coordinates central bank intervention, or does the Fed act unilaterally, or in consort with other nations’ central banks?
…… because Realtors Are Liars®……That’s why.
Aug. 18, 2011, 3:26 p.m. EDT
Confidence is collapsing around us
Commentary: Drop in Philly Fed worrisome, but doesn’t prove recession
By MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Confidence, the foundation of our economy and our markets and our democracy, is collapsing around us.
You can see it in the extreme volatility in the stock market, where 2% declines (interrupted occasionally with a 2% gain) have become commonplace. Investors are in a panic, rushing for the safest assets, such as cash, bonds, and gold.
And we’re seeing it in the economic data. Manufacturing firms in the Philadelphia region reported Thursday morning that business is horrible.
The Philly Fed index has been plunging like a stone.
Nearly half of the respondents to the monthly Philly Fed survey said business conditions had worsened in late July and early August. Forty-seven percent said new orders declined, while more than a third said shipments decreased. Read our complete story on Philly Fed factory index in free fall.
The 34-point drop in the Philly Fed index was the largest since October 2008, when the global economy was reeling from the failure of Lehman Bros. and the near-death of many other significant banks.
The drop in the Philly Fed index to negative 30.7 in August follows a weaker-than-expected survey from the New York Federal Reserve Bank earlier in the week. The news from these two Fed banks is that something awful is happening to business confidence.
Wasn’t the big fight in Washington and Europe over debts supposed to restore confidence?
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“but doesn’t prove recession”
Yeah what do a bunch of factory owners know about the economic cycle anyway? If there is a recession imminent the NEBR will be happy to “prove” it through their all knowing, all seeing rearview mirror - sometime next year.
Confidence, or capacity? My guess is Americans are still spending everything they can beg, borrow or steal.
Those big drops aren’t confidence
They are computers making massive trades trying to drive the market. Remember when GS had a trader steal software that they claimed could be used to manipulate markets? They admitted they have software to manipulate markets.
“Wasn’t the big fight in Washington and Europe over debts supposed to restore confidence?”
The Big Fight sucked confidence out of my psyche, not because there was a fight but because the issue wasn’t settled.
IMHO an opportunity to fix the problem presented itself but this opportunity wasn’t seized upon, and not seizing this opportunity meant the problem went unfixed, which meant another opportunity will eventually present itself - a little more forcefully this time - and if this opportunity is not taken then still another opportunity will present itself somewhere down the line - and the force behind this one will be a LOT stronger than the previous one - and on and on it will go until the problem is finally fixed.
“…and if this opportunity is not taken then still another opportunity will present itself somewhere down the line - and the force behind this one will be a LOT stronger than the previous one - and on and on it will go until the problem is finally fixed.”
The problem will be resolved one way or another, either politically or, if necessary, through market forces which simply knock down anyone who stands in their path.
The “Real World Chevy Volt Report”
Guy I work with bought one a couple of weeks ago.
Current miles driven (10 mile commute)……approx 500.
Total gallons of gas burned in 500 miles = TWO (as in 2.0)
Takes about 7-8 hours to top off the battery (he charges it overnight).
Is working on getting a 220-240 outlet to the garage…..this will cut the charge time in half.
Sounds impressive.
What’s the cost to charge it evey night?
Honda EV+ is $1.04 for a full charge at an off-peak rate of 0.04/kWh. Triple that for PG&E on peak at 0.115/kWh which is one of the most expensive base rates in the country.
The electricity mix in LI is 100% oil? That just doesn’t pass the smell test. I couldn’t find LI specifically, but here’s an NYU study. http://www.nyu.edu/sustainability/campus.projects/nyunplugged/energy.nyu.html
“Honda EV+ is $1.04 for a full charge at an off-peak rate of 0.04/kWh. Triple that for PG&E on peak at 0.115/kWh which is one of the most expensive base rates in the country.”
I wish my rates were nearly that “cheap”. I just checked my SDG&E bill for August. My lowest priced tier was 0.11/kWh (Tier 1). The highest priced tier was 0.33/kWh (Tier 4). With all taxes and charges included, average cost was 0.26/kWh. That would have corresponded to a range of $2.86 to $8.58 for a full charge with $6.79 for the average.
Here on Long Island, it would probably cost more to charge it than using gas. Our electric rates are among the highest in the country. And our electric comes from oil fired plants, so there’s no “Green” benefit.
Florida courts clear 201,000 foreclosure cases from backlog, but 260,000 remain
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 3:29 p.m. Thursday, Aug. 18, 2011
Florida’s courts cleared 201,524 foreclosure cases from its backlog last year with the help of an additional $6 million from lawmakers, but more than half of the cases were dismissals possibly initiated by banks needing to redo faulty paperwork.
The statewide foreclosure backlog now stands at 260,815 cases, including 23,725 in Palm Beach County, according to the Office of State Courts Administrator.
Foreclosure defense attorneys say the number of cases cleared last year is an injustice to homeowners at the hands of courts pushing to reduce the backlog.
“It was money well spent for the banks and the courts, but not for Floridians and homeowners,” said Boca Raton-based foreclosure defense attorney Ron Kaniuk.
This year, there’s no additional money to hire extra foreclosure judges.
That could mean courts are stymied further by new foreclosure filings and the possibility that at least some of those 104,126 dismissals will be refilled.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/foreclosures/florida-courts-clear-201-000-foreclosure-cases-from-1760197.html - -
Palm Beach County home sales up 21 percent in July, median sales price drops to $187,900
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:39 a.m. Thursday, Aug. 18, 2011
Palm Beach County home sales and prices slumped in July following months of robust purchasing that most hoped would continue through the fall.
A Florida Realtors report released Thursday found 972 single-family Palm Beach County homes traded hands in July, a 21 percent increase from the same time in 2010, but an 18 percent drop from the previous month.
The median sales price in Palm Beach County fell 17 percent from last year to $187,900 – a price not seen consistently since 2002.
Statewide, sales of existing homes fell 12 percent in July from the previous month, but were up 12 percent compared to July 2010. The median sales price of $136,500 remained mostly stable.
Realtors said Thursday that the fire-sale prices continue to draw buyers.
Still, the stuttering economy has sidelined some skittish investors.
“We’ve closed on a few properties for Northeasterners who see they can get a waterfront condo for $150,000 and think that’s a dream come true,” said Rodney Forbes, Realtor/Broker of Forbes Realty of South Florida.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/real-estate/palm-beach-county-home-sales-up-21-percent-1759060.html - -
Real time data on cost to build new in CA.
City fees/impact fees for a 1,200 square foot townhome in a Southern California City=$27.78 per square foot.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44191317
Fascinating times we live in…
yikes!!
It figures. The money multiplier is resting well below one, which means the banks are taking in much more money from the economy than they are putting back in. So now this recent flood of money will act to push the multiplier down even more.
If money is going into banks and is not coming out again then that means there will be less money circulating throughout the economy. The economy is already short of this cash stuff; This dumping of more cash into banks will just make things worse.
Everything seems upside down, inside out. The banks are short of capital so more cash coming in is a bad thing?
Strange times.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=192543
SAN FRANCISCO — Attorney General Kamala D. Harris today announced that the California Department of Justice, in conjunction with the State Bar of California, has sued multiple entities accused of fraudulently taking millions of dollars from thousands of homeowners who were led to believe they would receive relief on their mortgages.
Attorney General Harris sued Philip Kramer, the Law Offices of Kramer & Kaslow, two other law firms, three other lawyers, and 14 other defendants who are accused of working together to defraud homeowners across the country through the deceptive marketing of “mass joinder” lawsuits. “Mass joinder” lawsuits are lawsuits with hundreds, or more, individually named plaintiffs. This is the first consumer action by the Attorney General’s Mortgage Fraud Strike Force.
Kramer’s firm and other defendants were placed into receivership on Monday, Aug. 15. The legal actions were designed to shut down a scheme operated by attorneys and their marketing partners, in which defendants used false and misleading representations to induce thousands of homeowners into joining the mass joinder lawsuits against their mortgage lenders. Defendants also had their assets seized and were enjoined from continuing their operations. Nineteen DOJ special agents participated as the firms were taken over Wednesday, Aug. 17, along with 42 agents and other personnel from HUD’s Office of Inspector General, the California State Bar, and the Office of Receiver Thomas McNamara at 14 locations in Los Angeles and Orange Counties. Sixteen bank accounts were seized.
“The defendants in this case fraudulently promised to win prompt mortgage relief for millions of vulnerable homeowners across the country,” said Attorney General Harris. “Innocent people, already battered by the housing crisis, were targeted for fraud in their moment of distress.”
“The number of lawyers who have tried to take advantage of distressed homeowners in these tough economic times is nothing short of shocking,” said State Bar President William Hebert. “By taking over the practices of four attorneys accused of fraudulent marketing practices, the State Bar can put a stop to their deplorable conduct as part of our ongoing effort to protect the public.”
It is believed that at least two million pieces of mail were sent out by defendants to victims in at least 17 states. Defendants’ revenue from this scam is estimated to be in the millions of dollars.
As alleged in the lawsuit, defendants preyed on desperate homeowners facing foreclosure by selling them participation as plaintiffs in mass joinder lawsuits against mortgage lenders. Defendants deceptively led homeowners to believe that by joining these lawsuits, they would stop pending foreclosures, reduce their loan balances or interest rates, obtain money damages, and even receive title to their homes free and clear of their existing mortgage. Defendants charged homeowners retainer fees of up to $10,000 to join as plaintiffs to a mass joinder lawsuit against their lender or loan servicer.
Consumers who paid to join the mass joinder lawsuits were frequently unable to receive answers to simple questions, such as whether they had been added to the lawsuit, or even to establish contact with defendants. Some consumers lost their homes shortly after paying the retainer fees demanded by defendants.
This mass joinder scam began with deceptive mass mailers, the lawsuit alleges. Some mailers, designed to appear as official settlement notices or government documents, informed homeowners that they were potential plaintiffs in a “national litigation settlement” against their lender. No settlements existed and in many cases no lawsuit had even been filed. Defendants also advertised through their web sites.
When consumers contacted the defendants, they were given legal advice by sales agents, not attorneys, who made additional deceptive statements and provided (often inaccurate) legal advice about the supposedly “likely” results of joining the lawsuits. Defendants unlawfully paid commissions to their sales representatives on a per client sign-up basis, a practice known as “running and capping.”
Shear them for all they are worth, then skin them. Alive.
The beat (bleat?) goes on.
No way! Gov. Rick Scott accidentally deleted a bunch of emails.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/gov-rick-scotts-original-transition-e-mails-were-accidentally-deleted/1186726
Gold!
Bullets!
Box wine!
Cash!
(I have these, but no gold.)
Kitty litter.
Computer chips!
So the banks are taking a much greater hit than the general market?
Good!
IMO this is a welcome sign that the puffed-up-all-out-of-proportion financial sector is being stripped of its God status and is in the process of settling down (perhaps few hundred billion dollars lighter) and becoming an entity that serves the economy rather than acting as it were an economy of itself.
I like it. I love it. I want some more of it.
No double dip recession here… move along, people.
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Aug. 18, 2011, 11:06 p.m. EDT
Bank of America to slash jobs: WSJ
SYDNEY (MarketWatch) — Bank of America Corp. BAC -6.03% is planning to cut 3,500 jobs this quarter, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday citing people familiar with the situation. The bank will undertake an aggressive overhaul that could result in the elimination of at least 10,000 jobs, according to the report.
“Bank of America to slash jobs.”
The hired help they needed to coax all the equity from the lemmings are no longer needed because the lemmings are fresh out of that equity stuff.
So now the soon-to-be-ex hired help are going to be left without money just as the FBs they coaxed the equity from are being left without money.
What goes around …
It’s downright depressing to contemplate, but the Treasury bond market and the stock market are both screaming “double-dip dead ahead” at the moment to anyone who is willing and able to listen.
It’s puzzling to me that most economists can’t even seem to be able to see it coming, despite the clear signal in the asset price movements. Some posters here may recognize the bond market is behaving similarly now to how it did in Fall 2008, right around the time that Lehman Brothers and the GSEs collapsed; stocks declined over the next several months to around DJIA = 6K or so by March 2009.
Treasuries Gain on Signs of Slower Growth; 10-Year Yield Nears Record Low
By Wes Goodman - Aug 18, 2011 10:56 PM PT
Markets `Pricing in’ Possibility of U.S. Recession
Treasuries rose, sending 10-year yields toward a record low set yesterday, as slowing economic growth drove demand for the relative safety of debt around the world.
U.S. government debt has returned 3.28 percent in August, Bank of America Merrill Lynch data show, on pace for the best month since December 2008. Bonds have extended gains since the Federal Reserve pledged last week to keep borrowing costs unchanged until at least mid-2013. Bank of America’s Global Broad Market Index has increased 1.93 percent in August.
“We have witnessed a precipitous drop in yield, and it’s not over,” said Akira Takei, head of the international fixed- income department at Mizuho Asset Management Co. in Tokyo, which oversees the equivalent of $39.1 billion and is a unit of Japan’s second-largest bank. “A recession can’t be ruled out. There are more hard times to come.”
Ten-year yields slid four basis points to 2.03 percent at 6:41 a.m. in London, according to Bloomberg Bond Trader prices. The 2.125 percent note due in August 2021 rose 10/32, or $3.13 per $1,000 face amount, to 100 7/8.
The rate set the record low of 1.9735 percent yesterday. It will fall to 1.8 percent within a month, said Takei, who correctly predicted this year’s rally.
“The only place to hide is in the U.S.,” said James Camp, managing director of fixed income in St. Petersburg, Florida, at Eagle Asset Management Inc., which oversees $19.5 billion. “Rates are going to test the lows. It’s the anemic or worse economic growth, a benign inflation environment and catastrophe in Europe.”
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Who’d've thunk that gold, Treasurys and safe haven currencies would be the international financial market’s assets of choice at this stage of economic recovery? Traders are already worried the headline U.S. stock market indexes could lop off another 5% tomorrow. It’s shocking, folks, and nobody could have seen it coming.
ASIA MARKETS
AUGUST 19, 2011, 2:34 A.M. ET
Asia Falls on Global Selloff
By LESLIE SHAFFER And GA-WOON PHILIP VAHN
On Asia Today: Global stocks are sinking again following a slew of grim U.S. economic data. Over in China, it looks like the bull run is over for the property markets with prices stabilizing. WSJ’s Jake Lee and Isabella Steger discuss.
SINGAPORE—Asian shares were sharply lower Friday as renewed concerns the global economy will tip back into recession gripped investors, with exporter stocks in many markets tumbling on concerns about weakening demand.
Investors scurried to the safe-haven gold and yen, sending the metal surging to a an all-time high and the Japanese currency just under its record high.
A rout on Wall Street on Thursday rattled investors in Asia, and “it is difficult for risk assets to make any sort of sustained run at the moment given the fear that another 5% decline on Wall Street could happen literally any day,” said Tim Waterer, a senior forex dealer at CMC Markets.
Australia’s S&P/ASX 200 fell 2.7%, Japan’s Nikkei Stock Average was down 1.9%, while South Korea’s Kospi Composite lost 5%. Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index dropped 2.4%, India’s Sensex declined 1.4%, and the Shanghai Composite Index was down 1.3%.
Dow Jones Industrial Average futures were down 76 points in screen trade.
Spot gold was recently at its new record high of $1,841.70 per troy ounce, up $16.80 from New York on Thursday. “People are generally nervous and the knee-jerk reaction this morning in Asia was to buy,” said Jonathan Barratt, managing director of Commodity Broking Services.
As a safe-haven bet, the yen continued to strengthen against the U.S. dollar, keeping markets on high-alert for yen-selling intervention by Japanese authorities. Meanwhile, the equities selloff dented the euro.
“It appears as though the markets will take their near term cues from the equities,” said MF Global’s macro analyst Jessica Hoversen. “We expect safe haven currencies to stay in vogue with gold, (Swiss franc and the yen) in the lead,” she added.
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Aug. 18, 2011, 3:03 p.m. EDT
Recession or not? You be the judge
Vote in poll on final page
At least one brave economist has pushed out his predicted timeline for ongoing U.S. housing market malaise through “at least 2014.”
Fear rises on jobs, housing reports
By Paul Davidson, USA TODAY
Updated 8h 9m ago
A batch of disappointing economic reports and worries that the European debt crisis may be spreading deepened recession fears and sent stocks plunging on Thursday.
Reports on jobless claims, home sales and manufacturing in the mid-Atlantic all fell short of economists’ estimates, while inflation was higher than forecast, raising the ugly specter of stagflation — or slow growth and rising prices.
Economists say that’s highly unlikely, noting inflation should ease soon. And some of the reports may have been skewed at least in part by recent gloom created by the standoff in Congress about raising the debt ceiling and the downgrade of the U.S. credit rating.
“I think they show that economic growth is still very weak,” says Paul Dales, senior U.S. economist for Capital Economics. “However, we believe a recession will be avoided.”
The number of Americans applying for unemployment insurance jumped 9,000 to 408,000 last week, the Labor Department said. Claims above 400,000 indicate the economy isn’t creating jobs quickly enough to lower the jobless rate. Still, the four-week average of claims fell 4,000 to 403,000.
The current level “is consistent with job growth of 100,000 to 150,000 a month,” says Diane Swonk, chief economist of Mesirow Financial. That’s enough to keep unemployment, now 9.1%, stable, she says.
Meanwhile, existing-home sales slipped 3.5% in July to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 4.7 million, according to the National Association of Realtors. In the housing boom, sales exceeded 7 million a year. The news surprised economists, particularly after recent reports showing pending home sales rising smartly in May and June.
The Realtors’ group attributed much of the poor showing to a high rate of cancellations — 16% of NAR members reported at least one last month — caused by rejected mortgage applications or appraisals that were lower than the negotiated price.
But Patrick Newport of IHS Global Insight says buyers are more worried about home prices that continue to fall, as well as an anemic economy. Dales agrees, saying a rebound in consumer confidence could bolster home sales, though only marginally. He expects sales to languish until at least 2014, citing the high jobless rate and the large share of Americans whose mortgages exceed the value of their homes.
A far brighter spot in the economy, manufacturing, also showed signs of wobbling. An index of manufacturing activity in the Mid-Atlantic plummeted in August, with new orders hitting the lowest level since March 2009. The fall unnerved economists following a strong report earlier this week on factory output in July.
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The solution to unaffordably high U.S. housing costs and rents seems pretty easy to solve: Simply disallow banks and GSEs to horde shadow inventory.
Housing Bust Is No Balm for Renters: The Ticker
By Mark Whitehouse Aug 18, 2011 8:32 AM PT
A moribund real-estate market should have the advantage of reducing peoples’ housing costs. Unfortunately, for the growing ranks of U.S. families who rent their homes, the opposite is happening.
Shelter costs in the U.S. — a category that includes houses, apartments, hotels and college dorms — rose at an annualized rate of 2.7 percent in the three months through July, the Labor Department reported Thursday. That’s the fastest rate of growth since January 2008, just after the recession began (see chart).
The trend reflects increasing demand for rentals as foreclosures force some people out of the ownership market, tight-fisted banks prevent others from getting mortgage loans, and falling housing prices make homes less attractive as an investment. As of June, the U.S. rental vacancy rate stood at 9.2 percent, the lowest level since 2002.
Rising rents present a problem for Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke as he tries to balance his inflation-fighting mandate with the need to support an exceedingly weak recovery. Shelter, which accounts for about 32 percent of the consumer-price index, has the potential to produce enough inflation to tip the scales against another round of monetary stimulus.
The government is considering one lever to ease shelter costs: Rent out some of the hundreds of thousands of homes on which Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have foreclosed. It’s hard to know whether doing so would make much difference, because many of the homes might be in places where people don’t want to live. But it’s probably worth a try.
Oops!
Foreclosure on Homes; Business at 21-Yr. High
Closer Checking of Credit for Buyers by FHA May Result From Increase
Los Angeles Times
Apr 11, 1962
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Has the Fed’s role in the economy diminished to the point where it is mainly about manipulating the stock market through its various pronouncements and liquidity injections?
The Irish Times - Friday, August 19, 2011
Fed to meet against dismal backdrop
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Dana Strong, chief executive of UPC Ireland
Involuntary job cuts in public sector a critical issue
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Evidence leans towards new recession
WHEN FEDERAL Reserve chairman takes the podium next week at the central bank’s annual meeting in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, his sense of deja vu may be overwhelming.
Stocks have been giving up gains won after last year’s speech, when Bernanke hinted at plans to pump more money into the financial system. Oil prices are higher and there’s been little improvement in the job market. Bond yields are down, though, because the outlook has deteriorated.
It’s almost as if QE2, the Feds $600 billion bond-buying programme first mentioned at last year’s meeting and designed to boost the economy, never happened. That’s not to say investors doubt the central bank’s resolve to act again if the US economy keeps losing steam. Last week, it surprised markets with an unprecedented pledge to hold interest rates near zero until at least 2013.
But given questions about the efficacy of monetary stimulus to date and a political backlash against the Fed’s policies, investors expect it to keep its powder dry at this year’s Jackson Hole symposium from August 25th-27th.
“The Fed already shocked the world when it indicated its ultra-low interest rate policy would remain in place until 2013,” said Fred Dickson, strategist at DA Davidson in Lake Oswego, Oregon. “That telegraphed the economy is going to stay weak. But monetary and fiscal policies haven’t worked very well, so I don’t expect we’ll get a QE3 announcement.”
It is not that the central bank doesn’t have a few tricks left up its sleeve. Bernanke has previously detailed what he could do next. This includes buying long-dated treasuries to push down long-term rates, and cutting interest on bank deposits held at the Fed to encourage more lending.
Still, there’s the problem of ever-diminishing returns. The benchmark SP 500 index rallied more than 4 per cent when the Fed on August 9th said it would keep rates low into 2013, but fell more than 4 per cent the next day. At about 1,200, the index is off its August 8th low but trading remains volatile.
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July inflation spike won’t stop QE3
Aug 18, 2011 18:01 EDT
Let’s face it: inflation is a lagging indicator and Federal Reserve officials look at it that way. So for all the talk that the Fed now faces a higher bar for a third round of quantitative easing, the rise in core consumer prices to 1.8 percent in July is likely to be seen as temporary. As analysts from Commerzbank put it, “the weak economy should help to contain inflationary pressure.”
More worrying for policymakers, particularly the more dovish members of the Federal Open Market Committee, are hints the third quarter may not be showing a lot of the improvements built into official forecasts. A string of reports ranging from consumer sentiment to manufacturing suggest things may have actually taken a turn for the worse in August. From a Goldman Sachs note:
Some analysts point to the three dissents against the Fed’s decision this month to promise to keep rates near zero for another two years as making it harder for Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke to push for additional stimulus despite signs of economic weakness. Steven Ricchiuto, chief economist at Mizuho:
That view may be a bit strong. The core of the committee is dovish, activist and it appears very concerned about a prolonged period of sluggish growth. Some would probably like to act sooner rather than later and the Jackson Hole speech at the end of this month would be the perfect setting in which to do it.
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Rising Prices May Embolden Fed Dissenters in Opposing Moves to Spur Growth
By Shobhana Chandra, Alex Kowalski and David J. Lynch - Aug 18, 2011 9:00 PM PT
Signs that consumer prices are rising even as the U.S. economy slows may delay additional moves by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke to spur growth.
The Fed chairman, who is scheduled to speak at a Jackson Hole, Wyoming, conference on Aug. 26, used the annual gathering of economists last year to hint at a second round of so-called quantitative easing, in which the Fed purchased $600 billion of Treasuries from November 2010 to June.
Investors, such as Barton Biggs, managing partner and co- founder of Traxis Partners LP, have called for the Fed to embark on a new round of asset purchases. Yesterday’s announcement that the consumer price index rose 0.5 percent from June, more than twice the 0.2 percent median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News, may embolden Fed policy makers who oppose further such measures.
“It’s hard to say we have stagflation, but we do have inflation too high for the Fed to do QE3,” said Marc Chandler, global head of currency strategy for Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. in New York.
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