August 20, 2011

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Comment by Hard Rain
2011-08-20 05:28:24

No one could have seen it coming…

PALM BEACH — Lydian Private Bank was born during one bubble and died in the aftermath of another.

Federal regulators Friday closed Palm Beach-based Lydian in a bank failure that’s expected to cost the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.’s Deposit Insurance Fund $293.2 million.

Regulators said Lydian had an “inadequate level of capital” and must hire “experienced and qualified managers and lending staff.” The order also said Lydian’s board “failed to exercise adequate supervision” and cited the bank for filing inaccurate financial reports.

Lydian’s failure follows a promising start for a company originally envisioned as a high-tech bank. Founder Rory Brown, a former executive at Ocwen Financial Corp., launched VirtualBank as an online institution based on PGA Boulevard in Palm Beach Gardens.

In 2002, Brown decided to morph the company into a high-end private bank with a fancy office at Royal Palm Way and County Road in Palm Beach. Brown changed VirtualBank’s name to Lydian Private Bank, a nod to the Lydian society of ancient Asia Minor, which invented gold and silver coins.

However, Lydian Private Bank never completely transformed itself into a private bank in the style of Northern Trust or Bessemer Trust. Institutions that followed the traditional wealth-management business model have survived the banking meltdown. In an ill-fated move, Lydian started a mortgage origination arm during the real estate boom.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/palm-beach-based-lydian-private-bank-fails-1764146.html

Hope he doesn’t have to close any of the wings…

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-20 05:53:49

I knew something as very wrong when you see cute little airhead chicky-poos and gamer guys in the wells fargo mortgage offices here…

Regulators said Lydian had an “inadequate level of capital” and must hire “experienced and qualified managers and lending staff.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 06:05:34

The “customer facing” employees are always “eye candy”, but they aren’t the ones who underwrite or approve the loans.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-20 09:58:23

i dunno about that…seems like clueless airhead means company failure….It worked great at circuit city.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 13:37:52

The banks are failing because they lowered their underwriting standards. Remember the “fog a mirror, get a loan” days? It had nothing to do with the “chicky poos” at the local bank branch.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-20 14:58:08

I think it did a lot……..you or i would have blown the whistle…and be fired of course.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-20 05:34:27

Obviously, we took a wrong turn.
The party ended and no one is sure how to start it again.

There’s always a downside to putting on a really glorious party without knowing how you’ll pay for it. When the champagne runs out and the band packs up, what then? What if we can’t raise the money to pick up the tab?

The Obama Administration and Congress are caught in that dilemma right now and there are no answers in sight - - unless you have faith in the Congressional Super Committee to solve the matter in the next several weeks. In the meantime, the President is vacationing at Martha’s Vineyard and is surely giving a lot of thought to the problem. He has promised, after all, to return from vacation with a plan to create jobs.

Columnist Pat Buchanan remarks, “The nation Obama leads is facing a deficit-debt crisis that comes of an inescapable truth: Whether we are talking about commitments to go to war to defend scores of nations or commitments to entitlement and Great Society programs such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, earned income tax credits, food stamps and Pell grants, we Americans have handed out promissory notes we no longer have the means to meet.

“We can no longer deliver what we have promised.”

~ The U.S. is in dire need of a leader to ride into the scene behaving like an old-fashioned statesman who is not afraid to explain what’s wrong and say what it will take to fix it. He’ll have to get us to swallow programs of austerity and sacrifice in order to unwind the huge imbalances on the federal books. No one will be happy.

But that’s the way it is after long-running excess. The hangover must be endured. Pass the aspirin, please.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-20 05:59:22

And of course my First agenda is a mass forced education policy of speaking English. I know the minorities will scream racism but who cares when 90% in jail have poor skills. And there is no excuse Americans cannot pass even an 8th grade math quiz to be a cashier.

He’ll have to get us to swallow programs of austerity and sacrifice

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 06:47:15

While I agree with you that English should be a requirement, the truth is that we don’t have an official language in the USA. So in theory, if the majority of the nation were to become Spanish speaking, then it would likely follow that the Fed Gov would conduct its business in primarily Spanish.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-20 10:01:46

what about the 3rd language ………Hip hop ghetto Ebonics tens of million s only know how to speak that dialect, and those are mostly the ones that clog up our criminal justice system.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-20 08:30:01

Most corn-fed native-born Americans would fail the citizenship test immigrants have to take. And our literacy skills are nothing to brag about.

Comment by rms
2011-08-20 09:00:09

“Most corn-fed native-born Americans would…”

Corn-fed means so much more these days.

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2011-08-20 12:31:39

Diabetic, hyper-obese or fat-cow-in-human-body?

Which? Inquiring minds would like to know.

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 06:09:21

It’s kinda hard to cut the deficit when the opposing party insists on protecting tax cuts for the wealhy, won’t allow any military spending cuts and will filibuster to get their way. You won’t balance the budget by eliminating food stamps, section 8 and medicaid.

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-20 06:22:21

Look to Europe to see the effects of trying to cut your way out.

Government slashes spending, economy goes into recession, tax recepts fall, deficits come right back.

The problem is trade imbalances. International trade imbalances that have Americans buying imports with borrowed money becuase of insufficient wages. Corporate profits driven by consumers spending more than wages through debt. Falling tax receipts as wages fail to keep up with inflation and we’re forced to use tax credits to keep people spending despite falling wages.

We can’t tax our way out. We can’t spend out way out. We can’t cut our way out.

The only way to reverse the trade imbalances as is needed to allow people to repay their debts, is to attack the trade imbalances.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-20 09:32:30

You make it sound like debt is an inescapable trap!

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-20 09:54:35

Debt is not an inescapable trap. There are 2 ways out.
1) reverse the trade imbalances that created the debt.
2) default, bankruptcy, restructuring… Whatever you call it, simply don’t pay it back.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 11:03:05

3) Currency devaluation / running the printing press to pay off the debt

 
Comment by polly
2011-08-20 11:03:07

But everyone wants to be a net exporter. The nations of the world can’t all devalue their currencies at once.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-20 11:12:48

3) Stop borrowing. Cold Turkey. Without borrowing we will still have about the best standard of living most in the past could only dream of.

4) Sever the conduits of wealth transfer to the elite without mercy. That will end the majority of the schemes that are hollowing out the country.

5) Give up the outposts of the empire. Just give them up & bring everybody home.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2011-08-20 12:29:56

Economic growth with a 10 year spending freeze.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 13:58:11

“The nations of the world can’t all devalue their currencies at once.”

That this is the case won’t necessarily stop the effort. Ever hear of beggar-thy-neighbour currency policy?

 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2011-08-20 06:51:46

Of course he did offer big cuts along with tax increases and these were refused. Notice the article says nothing about taxing the elite, only the working slobs and those who sell stuff to working slobs will suffer the pain. It’s all champagne and caviar for the elite.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-20 10:51:57

And the reality is, if who we’re really talking about targeting is the superrich, then even after they are heavily taxed it will still be champange and caviar.

Heck, I remember dating the oil distributor’s son (upper middle class not super wealthy) in the early Reagan years. Talk about swanky shin digs where all the stops were pulled out. Believe me they were hardly suffering. Even back then he used to joke that his Mom would redo the entire house one room at a time and when she was done she just used to start over.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2011-08-20 08:52:14

“We can no longer deliver what we have promised.”

Which means a lot of promises are going to be broken which means a lot of people who spent much of their lives counting on these promises being kept are going to have to do somehow learn to do without.

Lots of money was promised. Lot of this money that was promised will not be delivered. Those on the wrong end of this undeliverd money are hosed UNLESS they have a stash of money tucked away somewhere that they can use to get by.

And if they have a good job then that is even better. Better yet is a good job, with good benifits, that cannot be moved or outsourced, in a non-right to work state. It does not get much better than that!

Unfortunately some of the people I work with do not see things this way. Some of them are lured into investment seminars where they are promised a TEN PERCENT PLUS ANNUAL RETURN during their retirement if they will agree to fork over to the advisors all of their money - 401K money, pension cash-outs, ROTHs - all of their money!

TEN PERCENT PLUS! And this is after some hefty advisory fees!

And it gets worse! Yesterday a guy I worked with told me he went to Wells Fargo and got set up in a retirement plan that will NEVER GO DOWN!

So this guy is going to - at the end of this year - cash in a good job with good benifits, that cannot be moved or outsourced, in a non-right to work state, for a promise of a hefty return on his retirement money that will never go down, will never be decreased.

And there is no way he can be talked out of doing this.

Comment by polly
2011-08-20 11:07:34

The best hedge is a job you can do for a long time. One of my colleagues is over 70 and has been with our agency for over 40 years (which means that his pension percentage maxed out several years ago). I still haven’t heard him talk about retirement.

That kind of job is the only real security blanket left and there aren’t very many of them out there.

Comment by combotechie
2011-08-20 13:16:15

“The best hedge is a job you can do for a long time.”

You mean a young lad shouldn’t spend all his time and energy training himself to be a football player? Or a boxer? Or a combat marine?

I know a Navy SEAL that retired from the teams and now he is depressed and suicidal. And he is only in his forties.

The best years of his life are behind him. Very sad.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 14:00:45

Even better: Job skills which you can use for a long time, which are useful to many potential employers. (I’m imagining a law degree w/ Wall Street & DC experience fits the bill…)

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2011-08-20 12:38:09

Dumb is as dumb does.

And I can think of a whole buncha colorful expressions in a few languages that I know that don’t quite translate. Oh well!

PS :- combotechie, I wouldn’t put any faith in the whole non-right-to-work stuff. These things can flip on a dime.

 
 
Comment by Am.sheeple
2011-08-20 09:50:31

The only goal of republican party to fail the economy , so they can get read of Obama. They don’t care of the country, they care only white “only” high middle class and their rich patrons, the rest are slaves and they should be dealt like trash…

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 10:01:36

I sure hope the Democrats publicize the fact that the Republican hardline negotiations on the debt ceiling were a transparent ploy to crash the economy again just in time to stick the blame on Obama during the 2012 presidential campaign. It is completely obvious to anyone who is paying attention, but I don’t have all that much confidence in the attention span of my beer drinking, ESPN-addicted fellow Americans.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-20 10:13:16

Crash the economy how? There is NO near-term decrease in govt spending in the works, just a reduction in the rate of increase.

No matter what had happened in those negotiations, The One and his minions would have continued to blame the sorry economy on the wascally wepublicans.

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Comment by Am.sheeple
2011-08-20 10:24:18

In order to help the economy in recession government needs to spend not to cut the spending. When economy and the GDP will rise then you can cut spending… But Republicans want to cut the spending now in order to kill the economy and…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 10:26:34

“There is NO near-term decrease in govt spending in the works, just a reduction in the rate of increase.”

Did you ever hear of rational expectations?

This generally accepted principle in economics suggests that economic actors base their decisions on all available information about the economic outlook. If part of that information is that a powerful political force has asserted its influence to severely curtail future federal government spending, then it is fully rational to expect higher unemployment and lower expenditures in the many parts of the U.S. economy which are heavily dependent on federal expenditures during a period of extreme weakness in the private sector.

Rational expectations suggest that it would be wise for individual households and businesses to hunker down and take protective measures against predictable decreases to aggregate demand and employment over the foreseeable time horizon. This fully-rational hunkering down has a self-fulfilling prophesy effect in the form of a decrease in aggregate demand and employment prospects. A double-dip recession is a likely consequence.

Does that break it down for you?

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-08-20 10:34:07

“When economy and the GDP will rise then you can cut spending …”

What a Great Idea!

If only it would be implememted!

We had promises in the past that this Great Idea would be implemented but for some very strange and unknown reason it never was.

We need to elect guys who will really and truly promise to implement this Great Idea and also will really and truly promise to keep this promise.

 
Comment by butters
2011-08-20 12:11:26

This is a BS argument. When you take a side and blame republicans for wanting to crash the economy to oust Obama (may be true), you must also accept the fact that Dems will do whatever it takes, any stupid and idiotic short term fixes to improve their chances.

Who’s right? I guess we are back to where we started, no?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 14:02:59

“…blame republicans for wanting to crash the economy to oust Obama (may be true),…”

I never blamed the Republicans for ‘wanting to crash the economy’; rather I blamed them for taking the actions to actually accomplish it. The fix is in already.

Next step in the plan: Try to pin the blame on Obama.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-20 10:10:01

What a well thought out comment!

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-20 12:20:21

The same thing is parroted by others here, perhaps with more eloquence. The majority of us need these slogans to be given to us by voices of authority.

All the Republicans want is to crash the economy to get rid of Obama. What BS. Not even the Dems want Obama for a second term. It’s because he has dissappointed all expectations. If you are in the bottom 99% of the economic pile here and believe that any of these Republican or Democrat “leaders” want what for you what you want for yourselves, you’ve already lost.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-20 16:17:54

Relax 2Banana.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-08-20 10:59:26

But if they are going to take what was promised ,than why not go take 1/2 of Warren Buffets billions that he thought he was promised by the stystem that made a promise they were’t going to take money he got . Buffet relied on the system ,just as all the retired people who paid into Social Security relied on the promise of delivery . If this is just going to be a matter of the ones that took the bounty and ran ,verses the ones that were holding out for the final payoff being delievered ,than pain should be shared equally .

Take 20% from Social Security benefits ,than take 20% from Buffets billions

You can’t separate he who profited from the system verses he who
was waiting for their benefit in old age based on the system .

Take 20% from all long standing Corporations net worth because
they benefited from people spending more because people thought they were going to get Social Security and didn’t save as much .

Comment by Kirisdad
2011-08-20 12:16:26

+1000, Wiz. A big reason for Americans high consumption rate are the social safety nets. What makes Buffets billions or corporations net worth more sacred than pension promises and SS. As Wiz said, they made that money on American consumeristic behavior.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 13:41:15

A big reason for Americans high consumption rate are the social safety nets.

I thought it was the access to EZ credit.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-08-20 16:17:46

Colorado you have to look at years and years 30 to 50 years of consumption behavior that was based on
social safety nets ,paying into that system ,and how it increased business for Big Business .

If you didn’t have FDIC ,people would of horded their money more and that money would not of been available for investment capital either .

If people didn’t think they were going to collect social security or medicare they would of horded and felt a need to save more ,but they relied on Government running that program and delivering . They felt they could spent more
in the now and industry made more profits .

Sure Buffet says ” tax me now ” ,but he already made off with the long term heist ,based on the system .

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 13:30:06

Housing Wizard, have tried to live on $1200 (or less) a month lately?

Plus medical needs?

And you think we should take from those people?

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 13:31:22

“…you tried…” :roll: (it’s the heat I tell ya!)

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-08-20 15:48:51

No way that I think that it really should be taken from seniors . They are trying to take it from seniors and future
seniors that are close to retirement but its not really the sector that can afford it in terms of basic living .

My point is you have to make a analysis of a 30 to 50 year period of time . Who ends up with the heist (net wealth )
has untouchable money ,and has the nerve to take it from
people on low level life styles .

People act like it would be unheard of to take money from a rich man that has gained from a scheme based in part on the safety nets that were promised to millions of people ,yet they have no problem wanting to go after these low level income seniors and take back what was promised .

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-08-20 16:04:19

Let me give you a further example of this principle using Madoff as a example of the principle .

Lawyers are going back and getting back the money from any fund that cashed out and made money in excess of the
principal ,because the money that was gained above principal was at the expense of other peoples principle .

The people who cashed out are pissed because they feel
that they should be able to keep that ill-gotten gain of other peoples principal from the Ponzi scheme ,and it isn’t fair .They are giving them their principle ,but not the gains . Some of the people has already spent the money .

They collected 7 Billion from a fund recently that was a net winner from cashing out before the Ponzi scheme blew up .

So ,while Buffet benefited ,and Corporations benefited
from the money that flowed because of safety nets promised of Social Security and other benefits , they think that the low level Social Security recipent should be deprived ,in spite of the 15% making away with the heist .

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 05:48:23

PIMCO: Treasuries reflect likelihood of recession
By Jennifer Ablan and Daniel Burns
NEW YORK | Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:06pm EDT

(Reuters) - Bill Gross, manager of the world’s largest bond fund, said on Friday the decline in Treasury yields to 60-year lows reflect a high probability of recession in the United States.

Gross, the co-chief investment officer at Pacific Investment Management Co., which oversees $1.2 trillion, also told Reuters Insider television the U.S. is running out of monetary and fiscal policy options.

“It is increasingly apparent to us that policy options are limited and that economic growth is slowing down,” said Gross said.

Thursday, Morgan Stanley warned in a research report the United States and euro zone are “dangerously close to recession,” joining a number of firms that have slashed forecasts for global growth in the second half of the year. Not only are economists and investors bracing for a slowdown in the U.S., they are concerned about a deceleration in China’s growth rate to persistent sovereign-debt turmoil in Europe.

Morgan Stanley cut its global GDP forecast to 3.9 percent growth from 4.2 percent for 2011, and to 3.8 percent from 4.5 percent for 2012.

“There’s no doubt that (U.S.) growth from the standpoint of employment or unemployment and growth from the standpoint of corporate profits is definitely a risk — whether or not we see a positive 1 percent real GDP number I think is besides the point.”

Gross said low Treasury yields are flashing recessionary conditions.

“They certainly reflect, in terms of their yields, not only a potential for a recession but the almost high probability of recession and the result of lowering of inflation — that is key.”

On Thursday, the yield on the benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury note dropped below 2 percent to 1.98 percent. Friday, the 10-year yield stood around 2.08 percent.

In May, Gross told Reuters the only way he would purchase Treasuries again is if the United States heads into another recession.

Gross, who manages the $245 billion Total Return Fund, reiterated that sentiment on Friday: “I don’t think there is any value there unless you see a recession.”

Comment by cactus
2011-08-20 07:14:26

Last Straw or Time to Buy?
by Kelly Greene
Friday, August 19, 2011
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Laurence Montello, a certified financial planner in Palm Beach Gardens, Fla., stayed the course through the stock market’s swings earlier this month. Now that stocks are slumping again, led by Thursday’s 3.7% decline in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, he is urging clients to bail out.

“Three weeks ago, I would have said: ‘We’re in it for the long haul,’” Mr. Montello says. “But we don’t want to see these $200,000 to $300,000 swings in performance in a $5 million account.”

Mr. Montello now is advising clients, many of them retired, to move 20% of their stock portfolios into cash and 10% into Treasurys.

Greg Zandlo, a certified financial planner in Coon Rapids, Minn., went further: He advised clients Thursday to move their investments completely out of equities. “Stocks that have a 5% dividend are great, but what kind of consolation is that going to be if they’re down 10%?” he asks.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-20 09:37:08

“Treasury yields to 60-year lows reflect….”

that Europe is about to have a high speed train wreck.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-20 10:14:49

… which will appear to occur in fascinating slow motion.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 10:30:30

The cargo cult expectation for bailouts and the fulfillment thereof does have a way of slowing economic crashes to a glacial pace.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 13:39:54

I will never trust a company with a name that sounds like “pimp.”

I mean really. That’s like trusting a company named after a demon from hell. :lol:

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 05:55:18

Note that the “surprise” factor is one of the arrows remaining in the Fed’s quiver. An about face in policy from what pundits expect is an effective means to administer electroshock therapy to a moribund economy.

That said, I would personally be surprised by a QE3 announcement next week, given recent evidence of building inflationary pressures on consumers and producers, coupled with record-low Treasury yields last week. Perhaps QE3 is already underway, though as yet unannounced, as suggested by a 50-year low on long-term Treasury yields against a backdrop of rising inflation?

Analysis: Fed may have bullets left, but are they blanks?
By Steven C. Johnson
NEW YORK | Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:22pm EDT

(Reuters) - When Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke takes the podium next week at the central bank’s annual meeting in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, his sense of deja vu may be overwhelming.

Stocks have been giving up gains won after last year’s speech, when Bernanke hinted at plans to pump more money into the financial system. Oil prices are higher and there’s been little improvement in the job market. Bond yields are down, though, because the economic outlook has deteriorated.

It’s almost as if QE2, the Fed’s $600 billion bond-buying program first mentioned at last year’s meeting and designed to boost the struggling economy, never happened.

That’s not to say investors doubt the central bank’s resolve to act again if the U.S. economy keeps losing steam. Last week, it surprised markets with an unprecedented pledge to hold interest rates near zero until at least 2013.

But given questions about the efficacy of monetary stimulus to date and a growing political backlash against the Fed’s policies, investors expect the U.S. central bank to keep its powder dry at this year’s Jackson Hole symposium from August 25-27.

“The Fed already shocked the world when it indicated its ultra-low interest rate policy would remain in place until 2013,” said Fred Dickson, strategist at D.A. Davidson & Co in Lake Oswego, Oregon. “That telegraphed the economy is going to stay weak. But monetary and fiscal policies haven’t worked very well, so I don’t expect we’ll get a QE3 announcement. That would really catch everybody by surprise.”

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-20 10:58:51

“I don’t expect we’ll get a QE3 announcement. That would really catch everybody by surprise.”

Except for maybe all those that are contributing to that heavy insider buying. They don’t even appear to be fearful of European contagion. It’s almost like they know something.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-20 21:26:36

“When Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke takes the podium next week at the central bank’s annual meeting in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, his sense of deja vu may be overwhelming.”

These clowns should be staying at a Motel 6, and eating at Denny’s. I’d like to see a very large, angry, well-armed crowd greet them at their rich digs in Wyoming.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 06:00:37

Are you putting your money into the stock market these days? If so, beware of liquidity black holes, which can suck your lifetime 401(K) retirement savings into Wall Street coffers in the blink of an eye.

Try not to catch yerself a falling knife playing the stock market! ;-)

Insight: The madness of Wall Street
By Matthew Goldstein, Lauren Tara LaCapra, Jennifer Ablan and Joseph Giannone
NEW YORK | Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:54am EDT

(Reuters) - The best thing to be said of the recent stomach-churning turmoil on Wall Street is that it’s taking place in August, a time of year when many people are lounging at the beach or camping in the woods and not paying attention to stocks.

But for everyone else not on a ’stockation,’ watching the markets rise and fall like giant ocean swells has been an unnerving experience that some finance professionals worry could reshape investor behavior for months and years to come.

“Everyone felt this was idiotic,” says Susan Kaplan, president of Kaplan Financial Services, referring to last week’s volatility. “Most clients didn’t want to deal with the markets anymore and went back to their summer vacations,” said Kaplan, whose firm manages about $1.3 billion in customer money.

In the short term, doing nothing may well prove to be the best strategy for dealing with the kind of dizzying gyrations that occurred the week of August 8 in the U.S. stock market. At one point, the S&P500 was down 8 percent for the week before it erased all of those losses and then some in the ensuing days.

Thursday brought another August storm. The S&P500 plunged 4.46 percent and the benchmark 10-year Treasury note yield fell below 2 percent for the first time in 70 years. And the trouble is this turmoil may not be some temporary anomaly.

FREE FALLIN

Experts say investors should expect even more volatility in stocks, as herd trading by hedge funds, knee-jerk trader reaction to news and lightning fast computer programs combine to make for a new and uncomfortable normal on Wall Street.

This new trading frontier even has its own signature milepost, something called “a liquidity black hole.” It’s a trading phenomenon in which there’s so much intense selling pressure in big-cap stocks that it sucks all the oxygen out of the market and stocks plunge precipitously - as on August 8 when every single stock in the S&P500 ended the day in the red.

“We have to be aware that we can be hit by one of these liquidity black holes with ever increasing frequency,” says G. Andrew Karolyi, a finance professor at Cornell University Johnson Graduate School of Management. If you are a long-term buy and hold investor you better be aware of these and not panic when you see it.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 06:04:17

Death Cross rocks Wall Street
By Rodrigo Campos
NEW YORK | Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:28am EDT

(Reuters) - Before the stormy trading of August, many stock investors probably thought “death cross” was the name of some heavy metal band.

But after a period in which the S&P 500 plunged more than 15 percent, daily trading volumes spiked by 70 percent and the United States lost its vaunted ‘triple-A’ rating, a death cross and other technical analysis terms are something investors have had to become increasingly familiar with.

For chartists and market technicians, the death cross is a strong bearish signal that indicates a major shift in trading momentum.

In the case of the S&P 500, a death cross occurs when the 50-day average for the index sinks below, or crosses over, its 200-day average.

Comment by Muggy
2011-08-20 06:36:08

I believe Combo has his own term for the death cross:

P to the O to the O to the F

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 07:02:11

I submit the P-O-O-F factor is more connected to liquidity black holes than to the death cross. Wall Street is in the business of selling overpriced assets to greater fools. If purveyors of overpriced paper can lure the insipid for overpaying on shares of companies with fraudulently-inflated financials, then later on, when the holes in the balance sheet come to light, the share prices go P-O-O-F — sucked right into that liquidity black hole.

Comment by roger
2011-08-20 09:54:33

Some thought they could print their way to prosperity. Give me an H give me a P.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 06:15:35

Does anyone else see the exact parallel between the housing bubble and the college tuition bubble? In both cases, well-meaning policy makers in DC tried to make a desirable good (housing) or service (college education) more “affordable” through subsidized lending. Instead, what happens is a ginormous, debt-fueled price bubble forms, manifested in unaffordable housing prices in the case of real estate and unaffordable tuitions in the case of higher education. In the aftermath of the bubbles’ collapses, many of those who took the offer of “affordability” loans are saddled with unrepayable debt.

Could we possibly learn a lesson or two as a Nation from these twin subsidized lending debacles and collectively move on, instead of trying to continue down the same paths in an endless fog of denial?

P.S. In customary MSM fashion, the headline posted below suggests this is a bubble waiting to happen, rather than a matter of historical record:

Barn door left open
All the horses are long gone
Hurry, shut the door.

STUDENT DEBT: America’s Next Bubble?
By James Rosen
Published August 19, 2011 | FoxNews.com

Dismay is growing among educators, economists, parents, and students over what some are calling America’s next bubble: the skyrocketing volume of student loan debt.

“I still have student loans,” David Guard, a graduate of Gettysburg College and American University, told Fox News recently, as lawmakers and the White House bickered over the debt ceiling. “I could see an increase in those interest rates.”

Such fears are commonplace and spreading, as educators, economists, parents, and students watch with growing dismay what some are calling America’s next bubble: the skyrocketing volume of student loan debt.

Figures provided by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York show that since 1999, outstanding student loan debt has grown by more than 511 percent. Over that same period, all other household debt in America – the sum total of all credit card bills, all auto loans, even all mortgage debt assumed during the great housing boom and bust that triggered the financial crisis – grew by about 100 percent.

Rising by $100 billion a year, outstanding student loan debt now stands at about $930 billion, and is expected to reach $1 trillion by year’s end.

“Student loan debt has become a macroeconomic factor; it affects the economy,” said Mark Kantrowitz, publisher of the financial aid website http://www.finaid.org. “Students who graduate with excessive debt are more likely to delay buying a car, buying a house, getting married, having children, saving for their retirement….They’re spending less because they first have to tackle their student loan debt.”

Tackling that debt, at a projected monthly rate of .5 to 1.0 percent of the overall amount due, means that an estimated $5 to $10 billion is being sucked out of the economy each month.

What’s more, the country’s dismal job market leads to rising rates of delinquency and default. Unemployed, and under-employed, college graduates have a tougher time making payments on their student loans; as a consequence, the rate at which such payments are falling more than 90 days past due is on the rise.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-20 09:17:02

Also add in the Section 8 rent bubble and possibly a medical care bubble.

Comment by Montana
2011-08-20 11:48:27

med already popped, staff layoffs and hospitals sufferin!

 
 
Comment by rms
2011-08-20 09:23:08

“Students who graduate with excessive debt are more likely to delay buying a car, buying a house, getting married, having children, saving for their retirement….They’re spending less because they first have to tackle their student loan debt.”

The reality is that the high school sweetheart usually moves on to a slightly older man who is steadily employed and better positioned to start a family because her timeline for career and children are very short early on. The jilted young man is forced to endure the recession isolated, and the scars from the experience are carried through life often crippling future earning potential.

Comment by chilidoggg
2011-08-20 10:31:26

Thank the Lord for Joycelyn Elders!

2011-08-20 12:49:36

They’ll take the experience in hand, so to say.

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Comment by rms
2011-08-20 14:19:11

Ha, good one!

I’m surprised you are not in the moderator’s queue with me.

 
2011-08-20 15:23:33

The art of implying without saying is a lost one.

Oh well, they can rub one out while they watch the delinquent queue.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 13:58:58

In both cases, well-meaning policy makers in DC tried to make a desirable good (housing) or service (college education) more “affordable” through subsidized lending.

This is wrong and nothing but bullcrap propaganda and deflection from the real culprits… Wall St.

Wall St. lobbied and lobbied HARD for the financial de-regulations that made these bubbles possible.

Period.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-08-20 17:07:02

It is truly amazing to me that there has been a refusal on the part of the government to have a Pecora Commission to publicly list the root causes of the Great Recession.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 06:18:28

Boy, HP sure took it on the chin yesterday. And simply because they admitted what everybody already knows:

1) Apple owns the tablet world.
2) You can’t make a lot of money selling WInTel boxes and laptops.

The worse thing for HP is that the golden age of printers is over. The printer division bet the bank that everyone would print their digiat camera photos at home. Instead people are posting them on Facebook.

I once attended an all hands meeting where VJ (Vyomesh Joshi) the head honcho of printers shared an interesting anecdote: He bought his daughter an HP computer/printer bundle. She never unpacked the printer and just shoved the box into her closet.

HP’s digital cameras were a joke, OEMd from 2nd and 3 tier manufacturers they almost always got clobbered in CNet reviews.

But that’s what happens when you fire everyone and you buy everything from Taiwanese ODMs and OEMs.

HP is now betting the farm on printers, servers and cloud computing, and something tells me that even more work is headed to India and China.

Good luck HP, you’re gonna need it.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-20 06:39:50

Apple is the turd that hasn’t fallen from the anus…..yet.

Now do you really believe WinTel won’t dominated the tab market? Look no further than the Sahara slate.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 06:56:01

It still runs WinDoze. I have more faith in the Android based tablets, but even those are struggling. IIRC HP’s Tablets are Palm OS based. Best Buy couldn’t move them and HP will be taking hundreds of thousands of units back, which they will have to liquidate at a big loss.

Apple has the high end, high margin sector of the PC and Tablet markets locked up. The WinTel crowd may achieve higher volumes but their margins will always be razor thin, which is why HP, the #1 PC vendor in the world has publicly announced that they are throwing in the towel and are getting out of the PC business, most likely via a spin off. I’ll bet the new company will use the Compaq name.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-20 10:10:17

“Apple has the high end, high margin sector of the PC and Tablet markets locked up.”

I don’t think that will endure. WinTel is a duopoly for a reason. Did you look at the Sahara?

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 13:44:32

FWIW, no one talks about the Sahara. Schools bloviate about providing IPads to students, not Saharas. I’ll bet J6P has never heard of the Sahara tablet.

WinTel machines have low margins. Always have, always will.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-20 13:47:16

The Saraha has been around how long? 4 weeks?

I’m not debating the margins. Apple margins are high because they have no competition. That will change.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 14:15:46

Hell even I haven’t heard of Sahara, and I work in I.T.!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 14:21:22

Just googled them. $1000 and up? Er, not exactly mass consumption priced.

I can buy a “good enough” notebook for $3-400.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-20 15:20:18

Eco,

How much were fast notebooks before the obvious demise of desktops? Quite a bit as I remember. I know little to nothing about IT but I love technology(especially computers) and see the WinTel tabs as the latest trend to go widespread.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 16:19:20

I’m not debating the margins. Apple margins are high because they have no competition. That will change.

You mean like how Macs have had “competition” from WinTel boxes since Win XP was introduced?

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-20 16:45:48

It seems to me that Winbox sales outnumber Mac sales by huge margins.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2011-08-20 06:45:57

The printer division bet the bank that everyone would print their digiat camera photos at home. Instead people are posting them on Facebook.

I’ve been a digital photo enthusiast for years and can count on one hand the number of photos I’ve printed. Should have been obvious….

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 07:37:30

It’s been obvious to them for at least 10 years. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Imaging and Printing Group is the next one to go. In the “New Normal” I see a shrinking market for $35 ink cartridges, and that’s where IPG’s heftyprofits come from. Kodak had already thrown down the gauntlet with its lower priced ink.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 14:08:31

Yeah, but Kodak printer software sucks!

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Comment by Montana
2011-08-20 11:50:10

takes too much ink.

 
 
Comment by butters
2011-08-20 06:49:28

You forgot enterprise software and consulting services. That’s where the money is. Just ask IBM and Oracle. HP may be too late to the party though.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 07:16:51

That’s what the EDS acquisition was all about. It didn’t pan out and sometimes I wonder if that was the REAL reason Mark Hurd was fired. IIRC they paid $25B for EDS. Of course the first thing Hurd did after buying EDS was fire about 1/3 of the staff and enact draconian cost cutting measures.

When I worked at HP there was a webpage on the Intranet called “My Voice” where you could post your thoughts about HP (and very few did). Many of those who posted were Indians who would wax about how wonder HP and its products were. Everyone else complained about how HP was being run (I guess they wanted to be selected for a layoff). There was one complint in particular that stood out.

It was an EDS employee who mentioned that his laptop was so hopelessly old that customers noticed. He said that he was willing to provide his own laptop, but HP rules wouldn’t allow for that either. Mark Hurd’s HP at its best. Not that I think Apotheker’s HP will be any better.

Anyway, HP’s lost about half its stock price so far this year.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 14:06:13

I wonder if that was the REAL reason Mark Hurd was fired.

In a word, yes.

I know a lot of history about EDS and it always was the white elephant of the I.T. industry after Perot sold it. I can’t believe Hurd was stupid enough to buy it.

Just goes to show you that the PTB constantly mistake the map for the terrain.

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Comment by Hard Rain
2011-08-20 07:19:42

BIL works for Oracle consulting, even he laughs at the money firms pay him to oversee “upgrades”.

 
 
Comment by ncinerate
2011-08-20 08:09:09

I’m still reeling from what they did to Palm.

Palm was on the ropes - no doubt - but they have a massive patent library easily worth their purchase price and they had some very real growing mindshare with their webOS phone operating system (for those who haven’t used it, it’s extremely compelling compared to the competition).

What Palm lacked was money, their warchest down to roughly 500 million dollars. When HP bought them (1.2 billion, so a bit over half a billion dollars when you figure in the cash Palm had in the bank), everyone involved breathed a sigh of relief and said: Wow, palm is going to make it!

The way forward was so clear you could have asked a blind man for a roadmap and been given something reasonably accurate. The homebrew scene had done AMAZING things with the original palm phone. They had designed new custom kernels that had the phone running at 1.0-1.2 gigahertz on thousands of phones with no casualty’s (they scaled speeds based on use and because of this ran incredibly faster, cooler, and with longer battery life than the stock phone. There were also a huge number of patches and tweaks that fixed every little problem with the phone and added tons of useful features. All of this made possible because Palm left the phone open and hackable (you literally entered the “konami code” into the phone and it opened into development mode). The problem? Only a minority of the Pre users knew this existed, and most users were still suffering with a buggy and sluggish phone that wasn’t coming close to demonstrating it’s true potential.

These fixes should have been baked into a new patch for all existing Pre users IMMEDIATELY while HP worked on putting out a truly next-gen phone. The whole community offered the patch up on a silver platter, the work was done, the cake was ready to eat. The 2%-4% of the smartphone users were about to get a patch that was going to rock their world. I’m telling you guys that the experience of using a palm pre with these patches is like holding a brand new piece of hardware. My pre is running at 1.1ghz (a speed that roughly matches the -BRAND NEW- phones out there), is butter-smooth with amazing multitasking (I can run dozens of open “cards”, have multiple browsers open surfing the web, and switch between everything seamlessly). A person running a stock pre? They are going to have slowdowns, chuggy unresponsiveness (it’s only a 500mhz processor), and when they try to open more than a few windows they’ll get a memory error that says “too many cards, close some cards and try again” (the homebrew patches added compressed ram and fixed this issue).

Instead, HP killed all support of the “legacy” devices at barely over a year old. This meant not only would the old phones receive all the amazing boosts a -few- of us were enjoying, but also that the development community for applications was completely shafted. Palm had been promising 2.0 webOS for all palm phones, and 2.0 apps are incompatible with the 1.4.5 running on those current devices. A large number of palm devs had worked for months and months on the next wave of 2.0 apps (2.0 could do many things 1.4.5 could not), only to discover that their already small market of potential customers had been cut by 2/3rds without any warning. This was obviously a HUGE mistake.

HP’s reasons for this? The “legacy devices” (original palm pre/pixi) couldn’t handle 2.0. The reason this statement is hilarious? A leaked virtually completed 2.0 kernel hit the scene and demonstrated that it worked absolutely fine. Even funnier, the homebrew community came up with a way to install 2.0 -with- all of the proper speedups and patches they’d created onto the legacy phones and they work beautifully. Of course, only a few hundred people with palm phones know this, while the thousands upon thousands of other people who own the phone are stuck.

Then HP came out with their new line of phones/tablets. Every single one of them was underwhelming. The touchpad was an ipad 1 clone priced expensively and released just as apple released their IPAD 2 - it was doomed to failure. The new palm veer is a tiny phone that doesn’t showcase webOS thanks to it’s itty bitty touchscreen. The Pre 2 was a joke (barely better than an original palm pre and ran crappier than the original pre properly patched).

Finally HP announced they were going to make a real effort - the PRE 3 was coming! Here was a phone with a larger screen, a better footprint, gorilla glass, a decent processor. It’s the webOS phone many of us wanted, and while I still feel it was a little underwhelming on components (needed a dual core processor, for example), it was still a huge step forward.

HP went into full gear, production got started, palm workers were excited for the future. 5 days ago, palm released the pre 3 in europe with US release coming ASAP. And then HP killed the whole brand, saying they were no longer supporting or producing any hardware and pulling the plug on the launch.

Nobody at palm knew this was coming. Whole elements of HP were in the dark. There’s a production line out there that was humming along just a few days ago pumping these phones out. There’s gotta be a freaking warehouse full of phones ready to launch. Several people managed to buy the phone before it was effectively yanked.

All adopters of any newer hardware are totally shafted. The app development community is now effectively dead and anyone who purchased in the last few months is angry. Best buy is offering to take back 25,000 touchpads they sold over the last two months - they seem angry about the whole thing too.

Touchpads were on sale for 99$/149$ yesterday night and this-morning at several retailers. Sold out everywhere now. Insanity.

Comment by ahansen
2011-08-20 23:42:00

Yep. Saw this at Best Buy in Westwood, Los Angeles this AM. They were sold out of the $99 touchpads by 10:10 AM; ten minutes after they opened, with lines stretching down the sidewalk onto Wilshire Blvd.

Sad.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-20 10:12:45

Umm ahem adult time…they could have found the right market and re branded their printers as HP…(Hot Porn)….who else would want to print up hundreds of color copies of anything today?

The printer division bet the bank that everyone would print their digiat camera photos at home. Instead people are posting them on Facebook.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 13:49:02

The idea was to have a color printer in every house, guzzling copious amounts of over priced ink.

It didn’t quite turn out that way. Pictures are snapped, posted on facebook and soon forgotten when they are replaced by new pics.

The digital camera changed the use model completely. Now it costs nothing to take thousands of pictures, which is why they are now considered “throw away” and why almost no one saves their photos anymore, never mind print them. Remember when people would show prints to each other? It isn’t done anymore.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 14:03:11

HP seems to not have learned from the Dell disaster.

For those of you who don’t know, Dell was once king of the hill and cut so many “costs” they are now a distant 3rd because customers stopped buying their crappy products that had crappy tech support and crappy warranties.

Remember the old saying, “It’s good to save money in business, but you CAN save yourself right out of business.”

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-20 16:23:09

Eco…

Who is 1 and second?

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 06:26:43

Suppose the Fed invoked stealth QE3, but accidentally triggered a recession, as markets misinterpreted ultra-low Treasury bond yields?

I don’t believe the Fed would have to publicly announce QE3 in order to execute it; for instance, recall the many trillions of dollars in unannounced bailouts they executed in the wake of the Fall 2008 global financial meltdown, which only came to light much later, after Bernie Sanders forced disclosure.

Current Yield | SATURDAY, AUGUST 20, 2011
One Note Under the Line
By RANDALL W. FORSYTH

The Treasury 10-year note slides briefly under the 2% mark for the first time in more than 50 years.

The Treasury 10-year yield fell below the bond market’s version of the Mendoza Line as the benchmark note traded briefly under the 2% mark last week. Just as the Mendoza Line is baseball jargon for an anemic batting average of .200, the slide in the 10-year Treasury yield to less than 2%—along with the plunge in equities—reflects rapidly weakening economic prospects around the globe.

The 10-year yield touched 1.974% Thursday, which was widely reported as a “record low,” since it was under the 2.03% reached in December 2008 in the crisis following the Lehman Brothers failure. In actuality, however, the record-low U.S. Treasury 10-year yield was 1.665% in February 1946. William O’Donnell and John Briggs, who head up Treasury strategy for RBS Securities, helpfully informed readers of that in one of their twice-daily market missives.

The 10-year note ended the week at 2.069%, down 17 basis points from the previous Friday. (A basis point equals 1/100th of a percentage point.) The big winner (in price terms, since bond prices move inversely to yields) was the 30-year bond; its yield tumbled 31 basis points on the week, to 3.393%.

But the plunge in the Treasury long-bond yield to below the 2010 lows is an “ominous sign” to Michael T. Darda: “Although some (mistakenly, in our opinion) associate low rates with easy money, we view the collapse in yields across the Treasury term structure as an unambiguous sign of weaker nominal growth.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 06:34:26

It’s hard to believe stock markets are tanking already two months before October arrived. It must seem to bond traders like Christmas arrived early this year.

Investing|8/19/2011 @ 4:33PM
Bonds Flag at End of Torrid Week
Andrew Wilkinson, Contributor

After an aggressive bout of risk aversion this week, Friday’s trading was more subdued. But the scars left across the landscape remained there for all to see. Global government bond yields moved decisively lower for a second week as equity investors dug an early grave figuring that the plunge in valuations signaled a move to a lower growth trajectory rather than greater value. The loss of confidence with policymakers’ response is adding to real data that has again this week created gasps across Wall Street’s dealing rooms. The resulting official growth downgrades by major investment bankers lends its seal of approval to the bearish tone.

Eurodollar futures – With the 30-year long bond yielding 3.38% representing a 34 basis point slump on the week in response to growing financial market stresses, you have to look back to December 2008 to find a time when yields plunged deeper. At the heart of the financial crisis during that time the yield on the long bond dropped like a stone falling 49 basis points in a single week. This week the 10-year yield reached a record low at 1.9735% and looks set to end the week with a gain of 15 pips at a close at around its current 2.09%. Output expectations are currently very much under the microscope with reports of the fastest contraction in Philadelphia-area manufacturing in two years contributing to economists’ downgrade for growth. However, the current bout of reevaluation still seems at odds with official projections. Take Cleveland Fed Chief Sandra Pianalto for example. In a recent speech she said she’d voted in favor of “additional support to the recovery” by agreeing to the change in wording of the Fed’s statement when the FOMC said that the environment called for the current stance at virtually zero. In the cold light of day Ms. Pianalto’s 2% prediction for 2011 now looks ambitious while 3% in 2012 and 2013 look like equally tall orders. I’m not entirely sure that if such rosy projections were likely the Fed would have needed to offer investors another crumb of comfort.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-20 06:35:50

Realtors Are Liars®

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 06:40:29

It’s reassuring to know that panic selling of stocks briefly subsided yesterday morning, before resuming in the afternoon. Nonetheless, it seems traders are still looking for Bernanke to pull another rabbit out of his hat during his Jackson Hole speech next week, just as he did last year.

TREASURIES-US bond yields up as markets panic subsides for now
Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:45am EDT

* US bond yields rise as investors take profits

* Market still prone to quick turns

* Euro zone, economic fears remain key market factors

(Recasts, adds comments, updates prices, changes byline)

By Burton Frierson

NEW YORK, Aug 19 (Reuters) - U.S. Treasuries prices slipped in volatile trade on Friday, pulling yields up from their lowest in at least 60 years as the previous session’s panicked selling of stocks took a pause.

However, bond traders were aware that markets could change direction quickly, and a brief rise in U.S. stocks .SPX was enough to temper enthusiasm for safe-haven Treasuries.

Fears of another U.S. recession still overshadowed trading after Thursday’s dismal reading on regional business activity. There were no signs of a solution to the euro zone financial problems that have dogged investor sentiment.

However, absent any new signs of deterioration or market anxiety, investors may postpone additional bond purchases. Many are also awaiting Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke’s speech on Aug. 26 for hints on how policymakers will handle the financial turmoil.

“We’ve had some really big moves this week. It’s hard to extend gains after what we’ve seen,” said Kim Rupert, managing director of global fixed income analysis at Action Economics LLC in San Francisco.

We’re waiting for more data and then Bernanke next week.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 14:23:23

“Hey Wall St, can you hear me now?!”

- Main St.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 19:11:02

Does anyone have any off-the-cuff predictions about how long the Eurozone debt crisis will keep the normally bold Wall Street bovine brigade frozen on the sidelines, quivering in fear?

GLOBAL MARKETS-Stocks sink, gold at highs as fear sweeps market
Reuters, Thursday August 18 2011
* Spot gold touches new record high on recession fears
* Safe-haven dollar rises as risk appetite evaporates
* Global equities tumble after U.S. data sours investors
* Oil slides as slower global growth prospects dim demand (Updates prices)
By Herbert Lash

NEW YORK, Aug 18 (Reuters) - Renewed jitters over Europe’s debt crisis and a raft of weak U.S. economic data sparked a rout in global equities on Thursday while driving investors to the safety of gold and U.S. government bonds.

Spot gold prices and the yield on the benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury note set fresh records as investors dumped stocks and other riskier assets to rush into safe-haven investments for their perceived security.

The numbers spelled mayhem although U.S. stocks stayed above 2011 lows set last week and most asset prices pulled back from the brink in afternoon trading.

“The market is in meltdown mode; the data continues to stink. I don’t know that there’s much more to be said. We continue to be in a soft patch,” said Sal Catrini, managing director for equities at Cantor Fitzgerald & Co in New York.

A drop in factory activity in the U.S. Mid-Atlantic region to the lowest level since March 2009 particularly unnerved investors, as the data from the Philadelphia Federal Reserve Bank is viewed as a forward-looking indicator of national manufacturing.

An unexpected fall in existing U.S. home sales in July and a greater-than-expected rise in new claims for jobless benefits in the latest week added to growing fears that the U.S. economic recovery could be derailed.

Aversion to risk swept financial markets. Corporate bonds, industrial commodities and higher-yielding currencies slid, and assets viewed as safe havens, such as gold, government bonds and the dollar, gained.

European equities suffered their biggest daily slide in 2-1/2 years. The FTSEurofirst 300 index of leading European shares fell 4.8 percent to close at 925.19 points, its biggest one-day percentage drop since March 2009.

“The market is beginning to price in a recession. The Philadelphia Fed number was an absolute abomination,” said Michael Hewson, market analyst at CMC Markets in London.

“Until we get some clear idea of how policy-makers are going to deal with euro-zone sovereign debt problems, it’s not getting to get any better.”

 
 
 
Comment by salinasron
2011-08-20 06:43:31

Ah, today I shall once again head to Monterey and Carmel to watch the wealth on display. Fancy cars parked for viewing, fancy car auctions, etc. It is amazing to see the disconnect with how people value the worth of their money. For some, money is just a means to survival, for others it defines their character or lack thereof.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 06:59:41

It’s good to be the King!

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 14:26:40

It’s GOOD to be the Banksta!

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-20 11:45:21

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/19/us-rich-investors-idUSTRE77I39120110819

Super rich still making money in crisis

Same as it ever was

After all, who creates this system in the first place? The middle class only follow or work within the system that was created for them.

(Reuters) - Financial advisers to the world’s richest people report some of their top clients have continued to make money throughout recent market turmoil by harnessing sophisticated investments out of reach to mainstream punters.

With equity markets plunging, most investors have suffered losses to their pension funds and portfolios, but those able to meet the multi-million dollar investment thresholds of private equity and some hedge funds are coming out ahead.

“You’ve got so many investment opportunities that are open only to very rich people,” said one London-based financial adviser specialising in ultra rich investors.

“The super rich are doing very well. They’re getting good advice, they’re getting access to stuff that other people don’t have access to,” he said.

Certain investment vehicles, such as hedge funds, can thrive at times of market stress because they are able to use risk management tools such as derivatives and make short-selling sales that make money when an asset price falls.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 14:28:15

You don’t say.

Good thing we don’t tax them too much or they might suffer a little bit.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 06:44:42

Home sales dropped 3.5 pct. in July, hit 2011 low
By DEREK KRAVITZ, AP Real Estate Writer – 1 day ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The number of people who bought previously occupied homes fell in July for the third time in four months. This year is on pace to be the worst in 14 years for home sales, as more Americans worry that the economy could slip back into another recession.

Home sales fell 3.5 percent last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 4.67 million homes, the National Association of Realtors said Thursday. That’s far below the 6 million that economists say must be sold to sustain a healthy housing market.

The dismal report on home sales contributed to a rough day on Wall Street. Stocks plummeted in midday trading on fears that the global economy is slowing. The Dow Jones industrial average fell more than 400 points within the first hour of trading.

Many people are reluctant to purchase a home two years after the recession officially ended. Sales are lagging behind last year’s 4.91 million sold — the weakest in 13 years.

Bigger down payments, tougher lending rules, high debt and a shortage of desirable starter homes have kept many would-be buyers away. Even people with good credit and enough money for a down payment are holding off because they are worried home prices will keep falling.

First-time homebuyers made up just 32 percent of sales. First-time buyers are critical to strong housing markets and normally make up about half of all sales. Their purchases of low and moderately priced homes also allow sellers to move up to pricier homes.

The weak data show “the housing market will not save the U.S. economy,” said Paul Dales, senior U.S. economist at Capital Economics.

Since the housing boom went bust in 2006, sales have fallen in four of the past five years. Declining home prices and super-low mortgage rates haven’t been enough to boost sales this year.

The average rate on a 30-year fixed mortgage fell to 4.15 percent this week — the lowest level on records dating back to 1971.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 14:50:50

“the housing market will not save the U.S. economy,” said Paul Dales, senior U.S. economist at Capital Economics.

Gee, ya think? :lol:

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 06:45:56

May you live in interesting times.

- Ancient Chinese curse

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 06:58:14

Which goes to show that most people just want a simple, worry free life even if it means a lack of toys,a lower standard of living or even a lack of interesting events.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 08:55:16

“…most people just want a simple, worry free life…”

I believe I could find that if I wanted it. I must not want it.

I’m thinking of a friend who ended up as a mathematics professor at a small-town college in the Midwest. At points his situation seems idyllic compared to the frenetic and economically tenuous SoCal existence, but I know that I personally would feel starved for cultural opportunities in that kind of setting.

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-08-20 09:09:23

“Which goes to show most people want a simple, worry free life even if it means a lack of toys, a lower standard of living or a lack of interesting events.”

I don’t know if you were being sarcastic or not but from what I see most people have holes in their psyches put their by the PTB’s relentless never-ending propaganda machine that conditions the vast multitudes of lemmings to endlessly demand more and more of everything in a futle effort to plug up these holes.

Of course the lemmings will never be satisfied with what the PTB give them because what is needed to plug these holes is something the PTB cannot ever provide. And even if the PTB could provide what is needed they wouldn’t; Giving the lemmings what they need means giving up control of the lemmings, and control is something that the PTB needs.

So its a win-win in a S and M sort of way.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 14:53:10

You are exactly right on this.

State of the art pyscho-warfare being used 24/7 on a populace is NOT a good thing and will eventually have very severe and grave consequences.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-20 10:25:46

“… a lack of toys,a lower standard of living or even a lack of interesting events.”

You may not know it but you’ve just described the retirement a lot of people have and a lot more face! :-)

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 10:29:01

It’s always turned that way for some retirees in every generation, but it will turn out that way for lots of retirees in the Baby Boom generation.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 06:53:55

The Eurozone debt crisis seems to be shaping up as a replay of the Fall 2008 Wall Street financial meltdown across the pond, with one important exception: The availability of commensurate political and financial firepower with that needed to muster the ginormous bailouts employed in the aftermath of Fall 2008 is in serious question.

Banks brace for more troubles
Ailing European financial institutions and layoffs at BofA trigger more concerns.
By Jim Puzzanghera, Los Angeles Times
August 20, 2011
Reporting from Washington—

Bank of America Corp. disclosed another round of layoffs, but federal regulators and industry analysts believe the bank and the financial industry in general are healthy.

It’s the European banks they’re worried about.

Just as the collapse of the U.S. housing market three years ago and Wall Street’s subsequent credit crunch sent shock waves around the world, federal officials fear the European debt crisis could hurt big banks there and trigger major problems here, perhaps dragging the U.S. into another recession.

“Like Europe was vulnerable in the crisis of ‘08, the U.S. is vulnerable now,” said Nicolas Veron, a senior fellow at the Bruegel think tank in Brussels. “At this point, there are big risks in Europe, but the situation has not exploded.”

Federal regulators are closely monitoring events in Europe. Many banks there are saddled with large holdings of bonds from troubled nations such as Greece, Italy and Spain, but regulators in the decentralized European Union have less power to stem a crisis should it arise.

“We’ve been in close communication with our counterparts in Europe on the situation there for many months. It’s clear they’re working hard to address the situation,” said a U.S. official who was not authorized to speak publicly and requested anonymity. “They face a difficult challenge, but we believe they have the ability and the will to meet their obligations.”

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 15:07:27

Cry me a river.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-20 07:18:31

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

For those not inclined to follow the sheep in blindly pulling the lever for one of the corporatocracy’s Republicrat Tweedle Dees or Tweedle Dums in 2012, Ron Paul is having a Money Bomb fundraiser today. Since he, unlike his Establishment-appointed, media-annointed rivals, relies on small private donations, any assistance from awakened citizens is much needed and appreciated.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 07:47:17

I took alooksie at his website.

I saw some things that I liked, and a bunch I didn’t like.

He wants to eliminate the income tax (I can already see the richies dancing in the aisles). Also wants to get rid of the gasoline taxes.

So just how does he plan on paying for things like highways, armed forces, etc. Even if he could cut spending from nearly 4 trillion to 1 trillion, how would he pay for that without an income tax?

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-20 07:54:26

Do I agree with RP across the board? No. But too many Americans are nit-picking “things I don’t like” as an excuse for inaction, non-involvement, passivity, and doing nothing or (worse) voting for the status quo while the middle class circles the drain. Also, he wouldn’t be ruling by decree - but a strong showing propelled by awakened Americans would send a clear signal to the Republicrats that the corporatocracy’s dictates can get them thrown out of power.

 
Comment by butters
2011-08-20 10:53:53

In other words I will vote as I have always voted and expect a different result.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-20 10:32:16

“Respect for religion must be reestablished. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of public officials must be curtailed. Assistance to foreign lands must be stopped or we shall bankrupt ourselves. The people should be forced to work and not depend on government for subsistence.” - Cicero, 60 B.C.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 15:10:32

And thus it ever was.

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-20 07:32:14

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/275048/obama-issues-executive-order-diversity-roger-clegg#

Obama issues new executive order on “diversity” in Federal hiring. Translation: White males need not apply.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 15:12:52

About the only white males I see working in government these days are the politicians or law enforcement and maybe some building inspectors.

No joke. No exaggeration.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-08-21 08:28:22

Or those who were grandfathered in before AA and diversity

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-20 07:49:55

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2028160/Michele-Bachmann-keeping-eye-Soviet-Union–20-years-dissolved.html

Obama to Lloyd Blankfein: I’m in trouble! The dupes who voted for hope ‘n change in 2008 are going to be no-shows in 2012! I give you and Da Boyz endless bailouts and the Bernanke Put; now what are you going to do for me?

Lloyd Blankfein: Not to worry. Our GOP partners have a candidate made-to-order to ensure you get reelected, and she’s a doozy. Oh, and just to avoid any surprises, we’ve reinforced to our media arm that the blackout on Ron Paul must be maintained at all costs.

Obama: You rock, Lloyd. See you at the Hamptons.

Comment by mclovin it
2011-08-20 09:44:42

All those 40K and under wage slaves need to send a thank you note to the prez they voted for, now with 300K illegals about to be given amnesty. It will mean hours cut, wages reduced - maybe even long term joblessness. But hey, they can go back to school, we all know how cheap a top tier school is nowadays (too bad they can’t ask for the illegal discount the left has set up just about everywhere).

Or maybe we can go Keynes on red bull and just print as all the blog warriors led by their king krugman contend? My gold says otherwise, LOL!

You reap what you sow. Might have learned that if it wasnt in a book y’all hate so much. No worries, maybe you can grow a second head and “evolve” your way out of this problem. Whoops, could be a tumor that requires constant posting of failed ideologies. That’s ok though, I hear the prez has a top notch health care plan set up for you! ;)

Mclovin’ it!

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-20 10:10:58

You must not be paying attention on the illegal immigration issue. It was the Republican Ronald Reagan that pushed the last amnesty. Every major push for amnesty in recent years has had major Republican co-sponsorship, including BOTH senators from the very anti-illegal-immigration state of Arizona.

It is clear to me that both Republicans and Democrats want amnesty for illegals, but those dang voters just keeping getting in the way, flooding Washington with phone calls, emails, smails, and every other form of media to deliver their “do this and I’ll never vote for you again” messages.

In my book, Republicans lose on this issue every bit as much as the Democrats.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-20 12:57:06

Obama has deported far more illegals than Bush did. Republicans, or more accurately their corporate masters, want cheap disposable wage slaves and immigrants fill the bill quite nicely for them. Democrats want new votes-for-entitlements supporters, they they want illegals even more. The average American isn’t so thrilled, but who cares what they want?

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-20 16:28:17

baah…. who needs facts when there are McGOP Facts?

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Comment by ahansen
2011-08-21 00:26:05

“…You reap what you sow. Might have learned that if it wasnt in a book y’all hate so much. No worries, maybe you can grow a second head and “evolve” your way out of this problem….”

Simplistic nitwittery at its finest. If you’d actually read this nonsensical and self-contradictory anthology or had any sense of literary or historical perspective, you’d realize how poorly you’re representing your purported “ideology;” (which does require at least having had an “ideation.”)

So tell us why you are wasting Ben’s bandwidth?

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 07:55:14

For all those who “love” Michele Bachmann:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gVZsypIKGc

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-20 08:34:23

LOL. And for those who “love” Sarah Palin, the so-faux “Tea Party” darling, here’s her spirited if incoherent defense of TARP and central economic planning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwggusZYMQE

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 09:15:05

Are both Perry and Bachmann planning to make a stand against generally accepted modern scientific theory (e.g. the Theory of Evolution) part of their campaign platforms?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 15:14:50

This goes without saying!

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 17:03:11

Nonetheless, I’d like to hear them say it if they plan to turn the U.S. from one of the world’s leaders in science into a laughing stock of fundamentalist religious scientific ignorance.

Is that the Bachmann-Perry plan?

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Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-20 10:26:15

The big attack on her is that she said Global Warming is not a fact. Well. A fact is a piece of data. Global warming, even if true, is a conclusion, will always be a conclusion, can never be fact since it is not a single piece of data.

As for CO2 being a harmless gas, again, correct. By the legal definitions of harmless vs. toxic, CO2 is a harmless gas.

She says the founding fathers wrote clavery into the constitution. Again, CORRECT! This is not a value judgement, just a fact.

“respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”

Who are these other persons that aren’t free and aren’t indians? Oh, right. The slaves!

Look, I am anti-TEA party. I’m anti-bible-thumping, clueless creationist.

But to attack her on these points shows that the creater of this video had no better arguments to use against her.

In Colorado’s attack on Ron Paul would have been much better used against Micehele than this stoopid video. Want to lower taxes and balance the budget? Fine, so, 50% cut to SS, MC/C, DoD, or 60% cut to those programs?

THAT is the argument against the TEA party.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-20 13:50:40

But to attack her on these points shows that the creater of this video had no better arguments to use against her.

Or maybe he was having some fun.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-20 16:30:15

Embrace the TeaTrash.. Champion Palin/Bachman/Perry.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 17:04:50

Or maybe he was seeing the tip of a very dangerous iceberg. One cannot be too careful when fundamentalist religious nutjobs try to seize the reins of power. Look what happened to Iran and Afghanistan in recent decades for examples.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-08-20 08:13:34

Made it back from Poland a week ago. Decided to be a masochist and catch up on what I missed here (kinda OCD, I know). I started over two weeks behind and I’m up to about a week ago now…I need to check drumminj’s site and see if there’s an update to the plugin yet for FF6, since it keeps whining at me to update.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 09:01:21

I am perpetually impressed with the ability of porcine beauticians to see a silver lining in double-digit unemployment rates that show no sign of decreasing. And what about that debt ceiling deal: Given SoCal’s heavy dependence on the defense industry, isn’t there a pretty high chance of higher SoCal unemployment going forward, in case deficit reduction measures hit defense contractors where it hurts?

Update: San Diego unemployment rises to 10.5 percent

Sara Hahne, manager of the new Encinitas Kohl’s, tracks applicants during the interview process. More than 500 people came to the La Costa Resort and Spa on Monday to interview for one of 150 jobs. The new store is slated to open Sept. 28. — John R. McCutchen

Unemployment in San Diego County ticked up in July to 10.5 percent, up from a revised 10.4 percent in June, reaching a high not seen for nearly a year, according to data released Friday by the state Employment Development Department.

“Initially people might be discouraged that the unemployment rate was up,” said Alan Gin, economist at the University of San Diego. “But typically the unemployment rate rises in July, and the one-tenth of a percent increase is lower than it has been in past Julys.”

Mid-summer unemployment figures usually spike because of the influx of students into the workforce, summer employment and education-related transitions, experts said.

The county lost 6,500 jobs overall between June and July. In the past year the county added 20,100 jobs.

San Diego is faring slightly better than the state.

California’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate rose in July to 12 percent, up from 11.8 percent in June. The state added 4,500 jobs in July after adding 28,800 jobs in June. The state now ranks second in joblessness, just below Nevada where unemployment is 12.9 percent. The unadjusted unemployment rate was 12.4 percent, up from 12.1 percent in June.

“This is the pattern we’re likely to see through 2011,” said Michael Bernick, former EDD Director and a fellow at the Milkin Institute. “There is no short-term fix.”

Nationally, the unemployment rate in July was 9.1 percent, down slightly from 9.2 percent in June.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 09:19:50

The debt ceiling ’super committee’ is proving to be a lucrative cash cow for Congressional bribery — er, I mean, Constitutionally-protected “free speech” financial donations from Wall Street firms to Congress folk.

Wall Street firms donated $11.2mn to members of ’super committee’
Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:18PM GMT

The bipartisan “super committee” created by the debt ceiling deal is comprised of lawmakers who have received big bucks from special interest groups, according to a report by MapLight.

The committee is tasked with finding at least $1.2 trillion in deficit cuts over ten years.

In total, the twelve members appointed to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction got nearly $64.5 million from special interests groups over the past decade, with legal firms donating about $31.5 million and Wall Street firms donating about $11.2 million.

Of that $11.2 million, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Bank of America and JPMorgan Chase donated approximately $2 million combined.

The members appointed to the committee are Sens. Pat Toomey (R-PA), Jon Kyl (R-AZ), Rob Portman (R-OH), Patty Murray (D-WA), John Kerry (D-MA), and Max Baucus (D-MT) and Reps. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX), Fred Upton (R-MI), Dave Camp (R-MI), Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), Xavier Becerra (D-CA), and Jim Clyburn (D-SC).

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-08-20 09:42:37

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/index.php?ql2

As always, “follow the money” is the rule of thumb when figuring out who politicians are beholden to.

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-08-20 09:44:12

So for a measly $64.5 million expenditure these folks get a big say in how at least $1.2 TRILLION in deficit cuts will be handled?

And this $64.5 million is, what?, split into only twelve slices?

So the average slice each guy gets is about $5.4 million?

So, on average, each guy on the committee will get about $5.4 million to decide what will be done with $1.2 trillion?

This is very upsetting to me. It’s upsetting not because the politicans are selling themselves out - that’s a given. It’s upsetting because they are doing it so cheaply.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 10:04:26

“It’s upsetting because they are doing it so cheaply.”

That was my thought, exactly. I had no idea the price of political influence had succumbed to such severe deflation.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-20 11:12:46

Apparently buying people off is deflationary.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 14:05:25

Especially when the payoff is bailouts which suck money onto banks’ balance sheets and out of the economy.

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Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 15:18:35

Cheaply? You do know that Congress can inside trade all day long without consequences, right?

And who’s more inside than the law maker?

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-20 09:45:03

Who says our government is too expensive?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 10:13:38

The word “panic” has crept back into MSM articles on the global financial market situation. Some of us HBB posters recognized the panic way back in August 2008, at the onset of the so-called “Credit Crunch.” Will historians properly label this period as one of the all-time great financial panics, or will they stick with a boring description such as “Great Recession”? Time will tell.

Markets continue to slump as panic persists
Nina dos Santos, World Business Today Anchor
August 19th, 2011
05:18 PM GMT

London (CNN) – As markets fall and economists talk up the prospect of a new recession, the end of this week will bring some welcome relief to investors who have seen $6 trillion wiped off global stocks in the past month alone.

Markets in Asia have lost 15% while shares in the U.S. are down between 5% and 9% as of Friday’s start of trading in New York. Yet it’s European stocks that have suffered the most –down nearly 20% year to date – reflecting persistent concerns that the eurozone is fast unravelling.

Scott Shellady, of ICAP U.S. in Chicago told us on the show “I have a European passport and I don’t know what it will be worth in 12 months time.”’ He adds the region could by then have “confederate money for all I know.”

So are will there be a double dip?

It depends who you ask and where they are.

During the past week, I’ve found that (over an admittedly low sample size) European investors are more bearish, whereas those across the pond –whilst sober- are optimistic the U.S. might just scrape past without shrinking growth.

When asked if we were heading back to 2008, London-based Michael Hewson of CMC Markets cautioned that little had actually changed since the credit crunch. “I don’t think we’ve really solved any of the problems,” he said.

According to Hewson, we are seeing a hangover from policymakers’ decisions to bailout the banks. Now that debt has found its way onto countries’ balance sheets. “It’s just filtered across,” he added.

Some economic indicators in the U.S. have already returned to levels we saw during the last financial crisis. Notably, the Philly Fed Index of manufacturing activity in the American mid-Atlantic, which went negative for the first time since July 2009.

A recent Gallup poll published before the last two week’s sharp losses found confidence in the economy was perilously close to readings in 2008 at the start of August.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 15:20:56

“History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men.”

- Blue Oyster Cult

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-08-20 11:14:46

My question is who changed the long term systems that allowed for the top 15 % to amass this level of weath ,verses the opposite with the rest of America . Who were able to take the money and run and who were left holding the bag ( or who they would like left holding the bag ,)

Accepting the premise that 85% percent of the population is left holding the bag and the pain and all the ” give up” campaign BS is
the first mistake everyone is making .

Realize it is the 85% that actually makes everything tick and their give up or demise ,actually sinks the big boat .

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-08-20 11:49:35

Exactly. The 15% may have all he money, but money is debt and the money poofs if the 85% simply decide not to pay.

 
Comment by butters
2011-08-20 11:53:05

Isn’t it the propped-up stock market? Let the market fall to where the real economy can support, the gap will narrow substantially.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 15:24:04

My question is who changed the long term systems that allowed for the top 15 % to amass this level of weath ,verses the opposite with the rest of America .

The Business Roundtable, formed in 1972, created a “Senate” of the top 200 CEOs of the most powerful corporations in America and therefore, the most powerful lobby group ever created.

 
 
Comment by rms
2011-08-20 11:44:32

Rosemary thinks the American Dream of home ownership is a right…especially because she’s educated. Well Rosemary, looks like the school of hard knocks is teaching you a better lesson than college.

Rosemary speaks about 55-sec into this clip:
http://tinyurl.com/3uplhp4 (msnbc nightly news)

2011-08-20 13:13:39

You know what happens to cows, right?

They turn into beef.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-08-20 15:25:28

It’s what’s for dinner!

Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-08-20 16:28:01

Faster Pussycat ……LOL ,that has to be one of your best .

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2011-08-20 16:46:00

I live to please. :P

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-20 15:46:59

Even worse was the foreclosed great-grandma who had lived in her brooklyn house for 40 years — wait, shouldn’t that be paid off by now? They glossed right over the “refinance” and “couldn’t keep up with the bills.”

But I’m not going to dump so much on Rosemary. We’ve been taught for 50 years that education means a job. Now we have all these educated people, and no jobs. It’s very much a betrayal.

And by the way, NycDJ, Rosemary spoke perfect English.

Comment by combotechie
2011-08-20 17:53:40

We’ve been taught for 50 years that education means a job.”

I have had many “discussions” with intellectual-types who took the position that the reasons for one getting an education had nothing to do with him/her getting a job.

It turns out they were right.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 14:21:24

Housing experts say time to buy is now
By PAUL BELL
Posted: Aug. 20, 2011 | 2:01 a.m.

Q: I’m wondering if you’re seeing more people like my friends and family members, who’ve been talking about buying a home for some time but don’t seem to be doing much about it. Don’t you think there are more of these “fence-sitters” today than ever before? — Chuck J., Las Vegas

A: I don’t have any statistics on this topic, but I suspect you’re right that there are more would-be homebuyers sitting on the sidelines today than any time in recent memory.

In fact, this situation has become so important that the National Association of Realtors has launched a nationwide public awareness campaign aimed at getting potential buyers off the fence and into a home. You can see this campaign at realtor.org/pac.nsf/pages/fencesitters.

As NAR’s campaign points out, homebuyers should make decisions based on the needs of their own families, not based on national news reports. As anyone in this industry can tell you, all real estate is local. And local market conditions vary dramatically around the country.

Southern Nevada is a classic example. While our high foreclosure and unemployment rates have made national news, few people outside of Las Vegas seem to know that we’re selling homes at a near-record pace, with many of them selling for less than what it would cost to build that same home today. Meanwhile, local home prices have largely stabilized after falling for a few years following our historic housing boom in the middle part of the last decade.

NAR Chief Economist Lawrence Yun addressed this issue in a recent column.

“Those potential homebuyers who have been waiting for the true bottom will come to understand that we are pretty much there already,” he said.

“With interest rates expected to rise, such ‘fence-sitters’ could start to make the move into buying. Indeed, quick-footed investors have already done so. The ’smart money’ of investors, since they have an option of putting money in other instruments like gold or stocks or bonds, has been increasingly chasing real estate since late last year — and those real estate purchases have been mostly all-cash transactions. Investors recognize the already great bargains in home prices and the potential for rent increases.”

Comment by Muggy
2011-08-20 17:00:22

““Those potential homebuyers who have been waiting for the true bottom will come to understand that we are pretty much there already,” he said.”

No, we’re not. I wonder how my new neighbors will feel when the learn
they’re surrounded by abandoned homes that have yet to be processed.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-08-20 17:15:10

Throughout the entire housing bubble, till today the NAR always assured us that “Now is the time to buy.”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 14:26:06

Mortgage rates in all categories are at a 52-week low.

Las Vegas Review-Journal
Aug 18, 4:54 PM EDT

Mortgage rates for the past 52 weeks, at a glance

The average rate on the 30-year fixed mortgage fell this week to 4.15 percent, its lowest level on records dating back to 1971, Freddie Mac said Thursday. The average rate on the 15-year fixed mortgage dropped to 3.36 percent, hitting a record low for the third straight week.
Here’s a look at rates for fixed and adjustable mortgages over the past 52 weeks:

Current week’s average Last week’s average 52-week high 52-week low
30-year fixed 4.15 4.32 5.05 4.15
15-year fixed 3.36 3.50 4.29 3.36
5-year adjustable 3.08 3.13 3.92 3.08
1-year adjustable 2.86 2.89 3.53 2.86

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 15:26:00

Investing
|8/19/2011 @ 12:55PM |776 views
Ten Rules For Surviving a Market Crash

Pay attention because my entire career has been spent against the backdrop of one big slow-motion crash amid the secular bear market that began in the spring of 2000 and probably won’t end until later this decade. I’ve had my ass kicked a million times by crashes but have gotten better at avoiding these things with each successive postmortem I’ve conducted.

You want to survive this crash and the next one? Then follow Downtown Josh Brown’s Rules for Surviving a Crash:

1. Acknowledge that its a crash. Once we’re past down 10% in the Dow Jones Industrial Average from wherever the peak was (yes, the Dow is a way better crash gauge than the S&P 500), you can stop saying correction and start saying crash.

2. Pencils Down! Whatever trendlines or individual stock research you were working on needs to be shelved for the moment. Your drawings and calculations will not work here.

3. Don’t listen to “stockpickers” or sell-side equity analysts. They are only looking out from within their own little bubble and they cannot comprehend the other little bubbles around them let alone the whole bathtub.

4. Ignore the asset-gatherers and the brokerage firm strategists, their job is to calm markets and soothe investors.

5. Make sacrifices by reducing stock exposure by beta and volatility. This is my iron-clad rule. The moment you recognize the crash, kick the small caps, biotechs, emerging markets etc.

5a. Also, margin balances must get cleaned up immediately, take the losses, I don’t care.

6. Make two lists. The first list everyone knows about and talks about – the “if they get cheap enough I’ll buy it at that price” shopping list. Fine, but don’t forget the “things I will sell on the next bounce list”.

7. Watch sentiment more closely than technicals or fundamentals. Pay attention to the squishier things in a crash moreso than you would normally. Are people screaming in pain? Or are they still looking for a bottom? Or have they given up entirely?

8. Abandon any hope or intention of catching the bottom. You won’t and it is unnecessary.

9. Suspend disbelief. “Bank of America could NEVER be a $5 stock!” “How could Bear Stearns possibly go out of business, its a hundred-year-old firm!” “No way this stock should trade at 5 times earnings, it’s a Dow component!” “How could the market go down 5% four days in a row?” Guys, anything can happen in a crash, there are machines making the trades and they have no respect for the prestige or standing of a particular company.

10. Stop being a know-it-all and shut up.

Anyway, I’ve been through a lot of these, and I promise you I’ll find myself standing tall on the other side of this one. Following these rules will give you a shot at doing the same.

Comment by Patrick
2011-08-20 16:59:57

PB

Interesting list. My strategy; cash, buy slowly on the way down companies I have followed for years. These “crashes” are great for the hoarders - er - longs. I do agree with you.

In the Toronto newspaper a house listed for $699,000 sold for $790,000 and had seven competing offers !

The RE salesman said he accomplished the purchase thru a “Bull Offer” - I never heard of that sort before. The way it works is the Seller lists their home but will not take offers for say one week ie 9am on Friday. This guy presented an offer at 3 pm the day before for $91,000 more than asking but gave the vendor only until 6pm that night to accept it ! Hence the term Bull Offer.

The home was a nice looking duplex which just a few years ago would have probably sold for a quarter of the price !

Bubble time - Toronto and Vancouver !

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 19:15:48

“I do agree with you.”

For clarification, I did not write that 10-point list; merely posted it, because I found it interesting.

My own strategy is to try to avoid getting wiped out over the next few years, as the desperate Fed employs desperate means to try to avoid getting wiped out itself.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2011-08-20 17:44:10

Hey, just keep it simple: Sell it all and go to cash.

Wade back in when P/Es go below eight.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-08-20 16:30:13

Freakin’ freak. The house two doors down just closed for $270k. I guess I am priced out of my neighborhood.

 
Comment by Muggy
2011-08-20 17:39:21

FPSS, checked in on the other thread - thanks for your advice.

 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-20 18:21:32

Just went in to grab a bag of dog food at a local supermarket (Port Orang, FL) and got behind an EBT-card fumbling Harley guy. He was having real trouble with his card and finally had to use his debit card to pay for his four dollars of groceries. Upon his departure I asked the cashier (who was actually a manager filling in) what percentage of shoppers are paying with EBT cards in his store these days. Without batting an eye the guy tells me somewhere between 65 and 70 percent!!! what?? Are you kidding me?

No, the man was not kidding.

Note: Port Orange is one of the better local areas of town, but this was a somewhat low-end supermarket (Save-a-Lot).

Comment by Muggy
2011-08-20 19:01:39

“My dolla goes far at Save-alot!”

Best cheesy, clubbin’ jingle EVER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=689SubyUw0g

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-08-20 19:13:48

I had to Google that one, as I never heard of it before.

Who pays for the benefits that get transferred to these cards?

EBT Card

The Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) card is the identification card for the SNAP/Food Stamp Program. On the back is a magnetic strip that works in the machine at the grocery store.

EBT CardYou will need to use a secret PIN (Personal Identification Number) code in order to buy food with your EBT card. You will probably choose a PIN at the local food stamp office when you first get the EBT card. If you need to change the PIN on your account, you can change it at your local food stamp office or call the EBT Customer Service line at 1-800-997-2555.

How does the EBT card work?

When you go through the checkout line, you pass or “swipe” the EBT card through the machine. Then you enter the PIN code. The PIN code is four numbers. The cost of the food is subtracted from your food stamp account automatically - just like a bankcard.

You can use your EBT card as many times a month as you want to. There is no charge for using it.

 
Comment by rms
2011-08-20 21:00:31

“Without batting an eye the guy tells me somewhere between 65 and 70 percent!!! what?? Are you kidding me? No, the man was not kidding.”

Ditto for Washington’s Columbia Basin. I’m not sure if that many are really struggling, or the fraud on main street is widespread like Wall street.

 
 
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