August 27, 2011

How Will The Hurricane Effect The Decline?

Readers suggested a topic on hurricanes and housing. “Hurricane Irene is going to slam into the bubble territories of NJ, NY, CT, RI and MA. These bubble states have barely come down (especially Long Island and NYC) since the pop of 2006.”

“How will the hurricane effect the decline? Empty houses rotting away quicker? Insurance money NOT going into rebuilding? Hidden inventory being brought into the daylight? Little money from the Feds for disaster relief? The excuse people need to just walk away? Hastening the pace of localities to declare bankruptcy to get away from insane public union contracts (as city in RI recently did just this)?”

A reply, “Barely come down? my house has come down 30%. Thankfully, I’m not near the water. Maybe, my house value will go up, since the shoreline properties are always the most pricey.”

Another said, “I spent the 2004 hurricane season in Gainesville, FL when Charlie, Frances, Jeanne, and Ivan all came through the state in a 6 or 7 week period. It was very draining mentally and the storms caused a lot of damage. For the record, I absolutely hate hurricanes.”

‘In 1985 hurricane Gloria got as high as a category 3 or 4 hurricane before making landfall on Long Island. The eye broke apart very quickly and the damage was much less than anticipated. That said, I suggest we wait until after the storm passes before taking on this topic.”

The Long Island Business News. “An estimated 387,813 residential and commercial properties on Long Island are situated in the projected path of Hurricane Irene, according to CoreLogic. Of the properties at risk in Long Island, roughly 66 percent are located outside a hazard flood zone as designated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.”

“There are more than 1.8 million properties in 12 coastal major metropolitan areas at risk of potential damage from Irene, according to CoreLogic. The risk analysis, based on Irene becoming a Category 3 storm, found there were 127,357 properties on Long Island that are located in FEMA flood and surge zones. The next most prone area is Virginia Beach, with 107,814 properties in flood and surge zones.”

The Daily Times. “Weakening but still dangerous, Hurricane Irene sent hundreds of thousands of people fleeing across Delaware and neighboring states Friday. In coastal Sussex County, Denis and Cathy Casey were holding out Friday evening on whether to leave their oceanfront home that sits atop a dune in the Sussex Shores private subdivision north of Bethany Beach.”

“The Caseys were monitoring the storm closely, though, mostly concerned about Category 2 winds hitting their year-round house. The couple had put up wood panels to cover a stained glass window on the front of their house and aluminum panels on their windows that face the ocean. ‘We’re betting, or hoping, the wind is less of a factor,’ said Denis Casey, an attorney in Salisbury.”

The Christian Science Monitor. “Besides worrying about their homes and businesses, residents in the coastal town of Nags Head have an extra concern: their beach. For the first time in its history, the town decided this year to pump new sand onto a 10-mile stretch of its eroding beach. The $36 million beach nourishment project began in May and the majority of the work was done when the first hurricane Irene warnings began to trickle in.”

“Town fathers had hoped the new sand, provided at local taxpayer expense, would protect exposed local properties there for the next 10 years. Irene could sweep it out to sea in a matter of hours. Destruction of the new beach could be one of the single biggest economic losses that the area sees from hurricane Irene.”

The Brevard Times. “The prospect of billions of dollars in insurance claims on underwater homes could mean a financial and litigation windfall for the banks. Although mortgage documents and individual state laws vary, common language in mortgage documents requires that any insurance check be made out to both the bank and the homeowner. The homeowner is then contractually required to sign the insurance check over to the bank which is then held in escrow by the bank.”

“Banks can make many legal and equitable arguments as to why the property should not be rebuilt, but rather deemed a total loss. If deemed a total loss, the banks could then be able to claim that the insurance proceeds cover the outstanding mortgage balance.”

The South Town Star. “Orland Park officials say the proposed luxury apartment building, Ninety7Fifty on the Park, will boost the local economy and serve as an anchor to further development, but similar projects ­— albeit condominiums — by the hand-picked developer have flopped elsewhere. Flaherty and Collins also has troubled projects in North Carolina that ended up in bankruptcy — an ambitious 53-story condo tower in Charlotte that was never completed, and a 274-unit apartment complex in Raleigh, later sold to a Chicago investment firm, according to the Indianapolis Business Journal.”

“‘We’re apartment guys who dabbled in condos. We’re batting 1.000 in apartments and we’re 0-for-2 in condos,’ CEO Dan Flaherty told the SouthtownStar.”

“The 50 units at the Echelon are very attractive condos in a convenient location. But after the first phase of Flaherty and Collins’ proposed 168-unit development was complete, the condo market tanked and only one-third of the units were built. Current owners have a laundry list of issues that include leaking windows, leaking plumbing, mold, mismatched cabinets, buckling floors and no soundproofing. They also were promised a pool and clubhouse that never got built because not enough units were sold, they said.”

“Echelon resident Maxine Carr said every time it rains, water comes in her living room window, causing puddles on the window sill and wood laminate floor. She fears she will get mold, like another neighbor. Carr filed an insurance claim for damages to the new unit she bought one year ago, but her insurance company denied it. She provided the letter from the insurance company saying water damage was due to ‘faulty workmanship to the flashing and the installation of the deck above’ her unit.”

“When she called Flaherty and Collins, she said she was told her condo was no longer under warranty. Carr said she may have to sue for repairs and damages.”

“Barb Hollivay, who purchased her unit three years ago, has a hole in her garage ceiling from her upstairs neighbor’s leaking bathroom. Noise from adjoining units is so loud, ‘it feels like they are living in the house with me,’ she said. ‘There is no privacy.’”

“Residents said they can literally hear every move their neighbors make. Sometimes they can even see what others are doing through the vents in the walls, Taylor said.”

The Island Packet. “Beaufort County is warning municipal leaders that the next reassessment probably won’t be business as usual. New projections from the assessor’s office show the county’s tax base could shrink by 4.4 percent once property is revalued. Bluffton could be hit hardest and might see its tax base wither by nearly 10 percent.”

“The county is required by law to revalue property every five years. The next reassessment is based on property values as of Dec. 31, 2012. Those changes will show up in residents’ property-tax bills in November 2013. However, the unprecedented decline in property values complicates matters. State law provides a formula to roll back taxes when property values rise, so the county or municipality brings in the same amount of revenue.”

“But if property values fall, does the formula require taxes to be raised? The law is silent on the question. A recent opinion from the S.C. Attorney General’s office said ‘yes,’ the formula is to be followed no matter the result.




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Comment by Natalie
2011-08-27 07:31:42

The Christian Science Monitor: “Town fathers had hoped the new sand, provided at local taxpayer expense, would protect exposed local properties there for the next 10 years.”

I guess all the mothers knew better.

Comment by 2banana
2011-08-27 08:09:35

I am shocked. Usually people who live on/near the beach expect everyone BUT them to pay to keep that beach exactly where it is.

And these locals also make it as difficult as possible for anyone else but them to enjoy the beach.

They also demand subsidized federal flood insurance.

Another example of welfare for the rich.

 
 
Comment by Natalie
2011-08-27 07:46:56

“Echelon was designed as a low-cost project to make it attractive to buyers. . . Residents said they can literally hear every move their neighbors make. Sometimes they can even see what others are doing through the vents in the walls.”

Why do builders always equate demand for low-cost housing as a willingness to accept low-quality? What smart buyers want is higher quality at a much lower price. Hopefully, buyers will smarten up and drive these kind of developers into bankruptcy, but for the most part I wont count on it. For the average buyer, as long as they see granite remnants in the kitchen, they will be so excited they cant resist the urge to buy. Offer a cookie and a brochure featuring only attractive people and charge an extra 20k. They are too worked up over what a great investment this must be to care.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-27 16:46:41

Well said Natalie.

And demanding basic construction materials and means and methods begins with a basic understanding of construction costs. You’re doomed to pay a grossly inflated price without this basic information.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2011-08-27 08:19:51

If deemed a total loss, the banks could then be able to claim that the insurance proceeds cover the outstanding mortgage balance ??

And the cost for replacement plus the value of the land could easily exceed the amount of the mortgage thereby giving the owner some windfall also…Makes you wonder how many may be hoping for the worst…

 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Virginia Beach
2011-08-27 08:39:41

It’s currently raining on the bubble territory of Southeastern Virginia :-)

So far there is about a gallon and a half collected in the bedroom and the storm isn’t here yet. Landlord never gives me a discount, even though the bedroom gets recked for a month at a time, every time. Should I just let the water go into the carpet and down to the 5 floors below me?

Comment by 2banana
2011-08-27 09:45:30

Some LL are not too smart…

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-27 11:10:54

Wet caprpet gets pretty smelly pretty quick. It`s heavy and a pain in the @ss to dry out or get out. Your LL takes the same action as the 2 LLs I have had since 2005. None, either I fix it or it doesn`t get fixed. A couple of times I have taken repairs off of my rent (AC REPAIR @ $375.00 and a polybutilane burst pipe in a ceiling at my last place).

You never never get a discount because you are not a victim. Had you bought a houses that you could not afford and stopped paying for it 3 years ago you would have money to take care of these kind of things.

Comment by SDGreg
2011-08-27 18:01:58

“Wet caprpet gets pretty smelly pretty quick. It`s heavy and a pain in the @ss to dry out or get out.”

It doesn’t just get smelly. It can get moldy too in not too much time. It sounds like with your landlord you’d end up with mold so I’d try to keep that carpet dry.

I was in an apartment while in grad school in Norman Oklahoma where the slumlord let an upstairs bathroom water leak go for weeks to where most of the carpeting in our apartment wasn’t just wet, but squishing because there was so much water. By the time we legally broke the lease and moved out, the mold was so bad I was sleeping in my car.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-27 11:31:46

I was wondering about you, since you seem to be in a direct path. DC area is now breezy, but not much rain yet.

Comment by Va Beyatch in Virginia Beach
2011-08-27 12:40:30

So far it’s nothing. Many other random rain storms are worse. It’s pretty windy, but the rain is coming pretty slowly so everything is draining. 8PM is high tide, and that’s when downtown Norfolk might get a little flooding. My apartment is 6 floors up so not much worry but our geek clubhouse is ground floor. We put everything up at least a foot over there. Things are eerily odd on the streets due to free parking in city garages, all the cars are elsewhere.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-27 13:38:52

Same here. The wind picked up a little, but the rain is light. In a way I hope it stays like this (I want to keep my e-), but it’s definitely BOR-ing. The real storm is still a couple hours away.

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Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-27 10:38:44

My Mom is cheering for it to hit the Hamptons, and destroy the castles of the Wall Streeters. But Mom, I said, taxpayers will just end up paying to rebuild them.

The hurricane situation is an example of moral hazard. You used to have little bungalows on the barrier beaches around NY.

Some didn’t even have bathrooms — there was a collective bathroom at the end of the row. They didn’t have heat, and were not weatherized. It was kind of like camping. Lots of people had a great time renting or owning those.

And they were cheap. If one was destroyed, you just built another one. The Hamptons has an artists colony. There was a huge working class vacation area in the Rockaways.

Then the federal government got involved, and suddenly everyone wants to live in a flood plain, in expensive year-round houses.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-27 12:47:12

Delaware, Sussex County- Ground Zero for speculative housing in the mid atlantic. Home to “builders” Pulte, KB, Toll, Lennar and thousands of excess shanties.

The LyingRealtors would love a Cat 5 hurricane to blow through there. They’re probably praying for it. Sick bastards.

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2011-08-27 13:54:13

Did I mention that I really, really hate hurricanes?

Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2011-08-27 14:12:13

They at least give ample warning. When I lived in LA I was worried about earthquakes. Been through two sets of ‘em in LA.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-27 15:57:01

The MSM must absolutely love hurricanes. All those viewers glued to their TV sets for days on end: for the prep, the storm, the aftermath… And they have ample warning to send out all the storm studs to the usual stations: airports, beaches, low lying roads. Even Luke Russert is on a boat in the Potomac River.

I wonder if they jacked up the rates for the mattress commercials.

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2011-08-27 17:49:55

That reminds me. We had a 5.8 earthquake earlier in the week here in the mid-Atlantic.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-28 04:19:46

“We had a 5.8 earthquake earlier in the week here in the mid-Atlantic.”

Obama wanted a 2.4 quake, but the Republicans wanted a 5.8, so they compromised.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-27 17:09:35

I was wondering what would happen if someone who had not been paying the mortgage for a year or two had major damage from a hurricane. I don`t think the windstorm policy would have been kept up to date and even if it had who would the victim owner call? The bank or servicer they had not been paying and ask if they have kept the winstorm policy paid. Even if it had I can`t imagine they would be at the top of anyones list (except the federal gov. with another program for homeowners) I can`t imagine they would put their own money into a house they had not been paying for. Probably won`t be any of that this time because this is a Cat 1. But hurricane season is not over.

 
Comment by comrade mike
2011-08-27 18:08:29

Florida homeowners insurance doubled June 1 on policy renewals. It should help the housing market. Flood insurance does not cover much depending on how the house is built. For a beach house built on pilings it would only cover the under portion of the house.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-27 18:25:25

Hurricane investing: You don’t need a weathervane …
Aug 26, 2011 11:45 EDT

Maybe you’ve already got your lawn furniture stashed in the garage, your water jugs filled and your important papers protected. But have you gotten your investment portfolio ready for Hurricane Irene, currently threatening all the East Coast hot spots?

Three main themes emerge: Selling into the storm; ditching shares facing the most risks and buying into the rebuilding effort. Here are some considerations.

Prepping for the pre-storm selloff

Recent weeks have seen outsized stock market volatility characterized by one thing: an especially wild last hour of trading. On many days, traders have been selling off shares between 3 p.m. and 4 p.m. because they don’t want to leave themselves exposed to overnight risks that could hit Asian and European markets while they are sleeping.

Well, today, people who stay fully invested will have their assets hanging out there for the weekend. They may wake up on Saturday or Sunday morning to find Irene battering the very companies they hold, or even the New York Stock Exchange. Does that mean you should join them, or perhaps start selling at 2 p.m. to get a jump on the action? Who knows? Maybe after weeks of decline it will be a bargain-hunting opportunity.

There is one reason to sell shares and take your money off the table, suggests Sheryl Garrett, a Kansas City, hourly financial planner. If you’re a retiree living on withdrawals and you’ve let your cash levels get dangerously low — say to about three months of living expenses. “Maybe then you do want to replenish your cash, so that if things do turn south and stay there for a while you’re not finding yourself in a financial calamity because of natural disaster.”

 
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