August 29, 2011

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:05:24

Number of short sales on the rise
By Julie Schmit, USA TODAY
Updated 15h 12m ago

Short sales — when lenders allow financially strapped borrowers to sell homes for less than their unpaid mortgage — accounted for 12% of home sales nationwide in the second quarter. That’s up from 10% in the same period last year, says researcher RealtyTrac.

The increases were sharper in some states, including California, Nevada, Michigan, Georgia and Colorado, the data show.

In Colorado, short sales were 17% of all sales in the second quarter, up from 10% a year earlier. In California, they made up 25% of sales, vs. 18%.

Bank of America, the largest home mortgage servicer, expects to complete more than 100,000 short sales this year — more than double what it did in 2009, the bank says.

In the second quarter, short-sale homes sold at a 21% discount to non-foreclosure homes, while bank-owned homes went at a 40% discount, RealtyTrac says. Short sales may also reduce losses for loan owners because they avoid full foreclosure costs. Borrowers may qualify for new mortgages sooner after a short sale than after a foreclosure.

“Short sales are a very positive solution,” says BofA Vice President Dave Sunlin.

Short sales peaked at 16% of the market in early 2009, RealtyTrac says. Realtors say there should be more short sales and that they should get done faster.

“We lose buyers constantly because short sales take too long,” says Beth Peerce, president of the California Association of Realtors. Short sales completed in the second quarter took 245 days, on average, RealtyTrac says. In a June survey, 77% of California Realtors called short sales difficult or extremely difficult; 15% said clients were foreclosed on while pursuing short sales.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 05:53:21

Wonder how many vacant foreclosures got drenched by the hurricane and are culturing mold on the drywall as we speak?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 08:52:23

After Katrina, which came ashore six years ago today, it only took one day for serious mold infestations to develop. One day.

Think about that.

Comment by trainwreck
2011-08-29 13:10:48

What does six-year-old mold look like? I shudder to think…

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2011-08-29 15:54:37

True, but coastal Louisiana in late August is much hotter and humid than the mid Atlantic and northeast.

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 18:35:30

What, so it will take a week?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:11:27

Viewpoint
Ben Bernanke Embraces Obama’s Reality-Based Presidency
By Michael Grunwald Monday, August 29, 2011

Texas governor and GOP presidential candidate Rick Perry still knows about as much about monetary policy as Sarah Palin knows about American history—or, for that matter, about monetary policy—but maybe there was a glimmer of insight in Perry’s dopey rant about Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke’s treasonous plot to re-elect President Obama. Because if you cut through the mealy-mouthed Fedspeak, Bernanke’s speech on Friday at Jackson Hole reads a bit like a defense of Obama’s policies. And not just his economic policies. Bernanke, a Republican first appointed by George W. Bush, subtly hat-tipped almost all of Obama’s major domestic policies.

Comment by CharlieTango
2011-08-29 04:29:08

QE1, QE2, & ZIRP have/are debasing our currency and stealing from us in a very similar manner to Obama’s big govt, big spending policies.

Some how the relevant point becomes that Palin and Perry are know-nothings and that is evidenced by the support Bernake has for Obama’s policies?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:35:56

“Some how the relevant point becomes that Palin and Perry are know-nothings…”

You said it — I didn’t. I just posted the article in an attempt to stimulate discussion.

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 07:34:15

That’s why I’m supporting a Michele Bachmann / Rick Santorum ticket for 2012. They’re not know-nothings, they know everything! The only thing that could make this ticket any better would be to bring John Ashcroft back as AG. Let Freedom Ring!

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Comment by CrackerBob
2011-08-29 09:48:57

How about Bachman/Beck (as in Glenn Beck); now that is the ticket.

 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 10:18:16

Miami (Reuters) - “Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann’s campaign said on Monday she was only joking when she described Hurrican Irene and last week’s earthquake in the eastern United States as a warning from God.”

What more could you want in America’s first female President? She’s smart, sexy, and has a sense of humor :) unlike prez Obummer.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-08-29 13:09:54

I wonder if she thinks it was a warning that we should quit driving Hummers and F250s. ;-)

 
Comment by trainwreck
2011-08-29 13:12:00

With Limbaugh the Pigman Oxymoron as Secretary of State…

 
 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 11:40:30

From the Houston Chronicle:

Ottumwa, Iowa “If you’re for the status quo in America, I’m not your guy,” Perry told an overflow crowd eager to see the presidential candidate at The Vine Coffeehouse, where people repeatedly sang God Bless America…

Asked whether he’d consider preemptive strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities, Perry said there are “a lot of different ways to deal with Iran,” including diplomatically and financially, but he added, “I’m never going to take off the table our ability to have a military solution to a country like Iran.”

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Comment by SV guy
2011-08-29 13:23:18

“The only thing that could make this ticket any better would be to bring John Ashcroft back as AG. Let Freedom Ring!”

LMFAO!

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-29 05:29:11

Maybe Charlie Brown can explain the 40% loss on the dollar between the day Bush was inaugurated and the day he left office with head hung low.

Let me guess…. you’re going to punt this one too.

 
Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 06:58:57

The debasement happened over the last 30 years as we exploded the money supply from $4T to $40T. QE1, QE2, etc are all about trying to keep that money from vanishing into the thin air from which it was borrowed into existance.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 07:33:24

We need the kind of change that nobody is going to like. It will come no matter what the pathetic politicians promise.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 07:01:17

“relevant point becomes that Palin and Perry are know-nothings…”

That are offered by the GOPoCC & FC as thee finest & bestofus “TrueAnger!™” “TrueReducetheDeficitNow! Today!™” “TrueEvangelicalistia’s™” who are to bring about their version of: Hope & Change. ;-)

 
 
Comment by SV guy
2011-08-29 04:58:41

End the FED.

K.I.S.S.

Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 07:00:34

So, back to each bank printing its own notes that are only pseudo portable, and the value tied to the ability of one bank to stay solvant?

Comment by drumminj
2011-08-29 07:31:00

back to each bank printing its own notes that are only pseudo portable

or perhaps the actual government could do that? You know, the organization given constitutional authority to coin money?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-29 08:04:04

The one run by hopeless republicrats? How would they do better?

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-08-29 08:51:49

How would they do better?

They might not. I was simply pointing out the false choice. However, at least the sitting government is subject to public election/recall. The fed is not, in any way shape or form.

 
 
Comment by SV guy
2011-08-29 08:05:51

“To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures.”

Any of that ring a bell?

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Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:07:47

Coining money is not the same as creating money by making loans.

Even under original Constitutional congress controlling the coining of money, the vast majority of money creation was actually done via ledger entry at banks.

You walk into the bank with a congress printed bill. Deposit it into an account and it becomes a ledger entry. The congressionally printed bill is loaned out to someone else creating another ledger entry called debt. If that bill ends up back in the hands of the person that deposited it, and that person deposits it again, turning it into another ledger entry, then the person that borrowed it can borrow it again…. repeat 13-14 times to reach our current level of leverage ($40T in money based on just under $3T on the Fed balance sheet). Of course, this is down from like 35x leverage in 2006 when there was almost $35T in debt and just under $1T on the Fed balance sheet.

 
Comment by SV guy
2011-08-29 13:30:02

The mere fact that a group of private bankers controls the money supply, sets preferred lending rates, manipulates & distorts free markets is enough for me to want to try another alternative.

Like the alternative that has “we the people’s” best interest in mind.

The PTB don’t care if you live or die.

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 13:56:51

“The mere fact that a group of private bankers controls the money supply, sets preferred lending rates, manipulates & distorts free markets is enough for me to want to try another alternative. ”

I do not disagree. However, the gold standard decentralized banking that came before was no rose garden either. Nor was the heavily regulated banking system before that. Nor the British Imperial banking system before that….

It all comes down to the same repeated cycles. Debt is fun and feels great, until it gets so large that it collapses, wipes out money and tirggers a recession until enough time passes that people forget the evils of over leveraging debt… repeat.

It doesn’t matter what is the seed for the leverage, gold bars, sacks of wheat, bails of silk, or just government promises of future taxation…. When you let the debt grow too large in relation to wages of those with the debt, it all collapses into depression.

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-08-29 16:08:02

However, the gold standard decentralized banking that came before was no rose garden either.

and you’re presenting a false choice here.

We could have a unified currency without the Fed. We could have the US Treasury do exactly what the fed is doing right now. A common, fiat currency with no backing.

 
 
 
 
Comment by michael
2011-08-29 05:24:03

i think obama and bernanke are pathetic AND perry and palin are know nothings.

i think obama is a know nothing as well….bernanke knows exactly what he is doing.

Comment by rms
2011-08-29 06:59:22

“…bernanke knows exactly what he is doing.”

+1 The new world order is taking shape.

 
Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 07:02:16

Bernanke is trying to reverse trade imbalances, but is discovering that monetary policy is simply not up to the task.

Obama is a man without a vision or plan, and the only thing wirse than that is a person with a really, really, REALLY bad plan of making the trade imbalances even wider.

Comment by measton
2011-08-29 07:19:36

To make things worse congress is full of puppets and know nothings as well, not to mention the evil.

I see Obama more as a puppet. Placed in his position to calm the lobster as the heat is gently increased. People are less likely to get angry if a Democrat is the one who says we can’t afford to support the middle class, then guts medicare adn social security. I think if he is elected again he will be in the eyes of the banking elite the best person to deliver this message as a democrat/ lame duck president,

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 07:35:05

Who could be more calming than a black lobster who gives excellent speeches.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-29 08:53:57

Obama is spineless. He had ample opportunity to make some real changes, but instead folded like a cheap tent and decided to just enjoy all the perks of being president, family in tow. He doesn’t deserve another term.

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:10:53

Of course Obama doesn’t deserve another term. But who will replace him? Bachman, Perry, Romney, Huntsman, Gangringrich…

Obama didn’t “deserve” a first term, he was just the least bad option of the many bad media and Wall Street appointed options.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-29 09:20:07

I don’t really care who it is- just as long as Obama hits the road. Bring on some scary kook like Bachman, freak like Perry, or hypocritical special interest whore like Romney. Whatever. This country is going no place good at this particular time, and none of these candidates is going to do a damn thing about it. They’re all the same, Obama included.

 
Comment by polly
2011-08-29 11:05:44

However, Griz, if we keep the Republican majority in the House and end up with 60 or more of them in the Senate, then a Republican president will mean all legislative and enforcement authority with one party. This means that lots of stuff will get “done.” I’ve heard a lot of people on this board praise gridlock. Re-electing Obama does not guarantee gridlock since he is a compromiser, but putting both houses and the presidency in the hands of one party can be very, very dangerous.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-08-29 12:22:30

Re-electing Obama does not guarantee gridlock since he is a compromiser, but putting both houses and the presidency in the hands of one party can be very, very dangerous.

Unless it’s the D’s who will still complain that they can’t get anything done :-).

 
Comment by exit56
2011-08-29 13:26:19

Bernie Sanders for President, anyone?

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-29 13:58:26

Let’s just elect Perry/Bachman/Palin, and put ourselves out of our misery.

-They will give a free pass to the bankster-fraudster class, in the name of “reducing excessive regulation”.

-Ditto for the job exporters, and the serial polluters.

Basically, we’ll get to relearn the lessons on why regulation was neccesary to begin with.

Back to the Future……1870s or bust.

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-08-29 23:48:17

“Bernie Sanders for President, anyone?”

Sorry, exit, Sanders has too many of those pesky ethics thingies.

 
 
 
 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 07:59:34

Voting: You have to.

The candidates are going to suck. That is just how it is. You don’t have to vote for them. Vote with your heart. Write in Ron Paul, Ross Perot, your friend, Pee-Wee Herman, whoever you belive in. If everyone lived by this, then the high-dollar campaigns and all the false promises and corrupt connections would not matter and our system would be fixed. Its as simple as that. Argue with me and you have bought into the corrupt system…

We have the power. We are just too stupid collectively to use it.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 08:39:29

Don’t forget Ralph Nader!

Democrats will vote for Obama even if they have to hold their noses with a C-clamp.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-29 08:42:05

I disagree. 99% of voters could write in Pee-Wee Herman, and some Republicrat would celebrate a win with a .65% to .35% advantage over their competitor.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-29 11:17:09

I don’t understand why anyone in their right mind would want to run for President. The process is a nightmare, with all of the attack ads and the amount of travel and speech making. And the winner gets to face intractable, structural economic and political problems.

I guess that’s why I’m not a politician. But it may also have something to do with the dearth of statesman in our current crop of candidates.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-29 11:32:14

The title should be changed to Narcissist in Chief..

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Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 12:48:05

You don’t run for president for the power of the office. you run for president to establish a legacy so that you can make a bathroom load of cash after by writing books, doing keynote speaches, and other paid appearences.

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Comment by drumminj
2011-08-29 16:12:17

I don’t understand why anyone in their right mind would want to run for President.

You get paid $400k/year (or is it more now?) for 4 years while not having to pay for anything out of pocket, then get a pension(of $200k/year is it?) and security personnel for life.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:14:34

Reading about how low home mortgage applications have fallen makes one curious about how the soon-to-end red hot summer sales season is going this year.

Originally published Friday, August 26, 2011 at 5:37 PM
Home mortgage applications fall to 15-year low
By DEREK KRAVITZ
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Mortgage applications to purchase a home fell to a 15-year low, despite the lowest mortgage rates in decades.

Many potential buyers are holding off because they are worried about job security and fear the economy could slip back into another recession.

The Mortgage Bankers Association said this past week that an index measuring mortgage applications, which are adjusted for seasonal factors, fell 2.4 percent the week of Aug. 14 from the previous week. Home mortgage applications plunged 5.7 percent to its lowest level since December 1996.

“Another week of volatile markets and rampant uncertainty regarding the economy kept prospective homebuyers on the sidelines,” said Mike Fratantoni, the trade group’s vice president of research and economics.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 04:53:39

Not quite true for DC area, where $200K for a slightly trashed 1960’s tract rambler is SOP.

The people have the job security, but they are waiting for the second leg of price drops. Using the 2002 price as a baseline comparison, house prices have dropped about halfway to where they should be, and they aren’t budging. It’s another, more desperate standoff as FB’s try to sell for what they “need,” and the smart money waits them out for a better price.

Anything that drops to a 2002 price is snapped up.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 05:29:27

Government is shrinking at the state level. If this becomes a trend at the federal level, that 2002 trigger point might not hold. It is relevant in rural NY as the echo effect of massive wealth concentration in DC was a big factor in our “second home” real estate bubble.

 
Comment by scdave
2011-08-29 07:16:37

The people have the job security ??

All while the majority of Americans do not…

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-29 08:59:40

I know a few folks who work for the FedGov. Theirs is a different world from ours. I asked one of them if they ever woried that their federal jobs and pensions would go down the tubes if Uncle Sam became insolvent. He laughed.

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Comment by scdave
2011-08-29 09:21:54

that their federal jobs and pensions would go down the tubes ??

Not to mention never a waking moment worrying about health coverage…

 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 09:35:13

Respectfully disagree. I don’t expect NREL and Department of Energy Golden Field Office to survive a change in administration unscathed by RIF’s. It was an interesting gig while it lasted but I’ll be changing jobs in the next 16 months. Even if the RIF takes a while to process on the Fed side, us contractors are ‘at-will’ employees and subject to termination without notice.

 
Comment by scdave
2011-08-29 10:37:09

I am not talking about contractors Ohio…I am talking about full time government employees…

 
Comment by polly
2011-08-29 11:19:46

Your friend may have laughed, but I do not. I am worried. More about pay cuts than actually getting RIFed, but that is because of my agency. If I were in something incredibly valuable, but technically not needed (like medical research), I’d be terrified.

I think the pension will probably be OK, but you have to remember that nearly all the reforms people talk about on this board (not all, just nearly) with respect to the Fed pension happened in the mid-80’s. Anyone hired after 1983 (I think), gets 1% per year of service with cap at 40%. That max 40% is based on base pay plus locality (average of high 3) and nothing else. No additional hours, no bonus, no anything. Bonuses for non-senior executives are around 1% or 2% of yearly salary if you even get one and approval for over time is nearly impossible, so trying to load up your salary right before retirement would be impossible anyway.

Just because you know someone with his eyes closed, doesn’t mean that it isn’t an issue.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-29 11:45:33

Pensions are mentioned specifically in the 14th amendment. It may be unconstitutional to fool with federal pensions already earned.

 
 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-29 09:22:23

If the houses are overpriced, don’t buy. And, don’t even look anymore. Check back in 5 years and see what’s going on.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-29 11:22:01

Sheeeeyat.

Anything that drops to a 2002 price is snapped up.

We moved here in 2002. If prices were 2002 everything in my target description would be offered for $160k - $200k. What a pipe dream that is.

 
Comment by Elanor
2011-08-29 11:39:03

My cul de sac had our annual block party on Saturday. I met the new neighbors who recently bought one of the few remaining 1950’s ranch homes, about the same size as ours. I had already looked it up on Zillow and found it sold for about the same price we paid for our house in 1990. That really stunned me. Twenty years later, sold for the same price as our house! One third below asking price. Someone was in a hurry to dump it, possibly an estate (most of our original little homes are occupied by the original owners, who are in their 80s).

They are going to tear it down. Just when you think your neighborhood has seen the last of the tear-downs, another one is coming along. At least it’s on the other side of the oval.

 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 07:04:00

Home sales are being driven by investors.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 07:36:43

Investors are being driven by TBTF bailouts.

Comment by scdave
2011-08-29 07:55:18

Investors are being driven by TBTF bailouts ??

More likely being driven by ultra low rates of return on safer bets…

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 08:38:23

Exactly.

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:12:39

Which, of course, is the point of the low interest rates. To get people to spend the money instead of having it sit in a bank where the peope that need it, can’t get it.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:18:33

Wasn’t offering lower mortgage rates to borrowers with bad credit called “subprime lending” just five or so years ago?

Fannie, Freddie Takeover Could Be Key to Obama Jobs Plan
By Chris Stirewalt
Published August 25, 2011

Obama Jobs Plan May Be Aimed at High Risk Mortgage Borrowers

It almost seems to me you want to have some type of announcement or policy, program or something from the federal government that provides that clear signal that we are here supporting the housing market and this is indeed a good time to really consider buying,…

– Frank E. Nothaft, the chief economist at Freddie Mac, talking to the New York Times about a reported administration plan to offer lower mortgage rates to borrowers with bad credit.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-08-29 05:27:38

From the article:

‘The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents – number 43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back – $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.’

‘– Then-Sen. Barack Obama campaigning in North Dakota in July 2008.’

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-29 08:57:43

He was right … the problem was that once he got his hands on the national CC he was no better.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-29 09:12:47

He has failed.

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Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:20:00

Yerp.

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Comment by 2banana
2011-08-29 05:58:36

Clock is ticking….

Remember when $200 billion was ALOT of money?

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U.S. Move to Cover Fannie, Freddie Losses Stirs Controversy
WSJ
Dec 28, 2009
By JAMES R. HAGERTY and JESSICA HOLZER

The Obama administration’s decision to cover an unlimited amount of losses at the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the next three years stirred controversy over the holiday.

The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-29 07:11:09

Money NOT going to roads and other infrastructure, and NOT available to limit the coming reductions in Medicaid and Medicare.

Comment by scdave
2011-08-29 07:18:57

Yep…..

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-08-29 07:52:29

“The Treasury announced Thursday it was removing the caps that limited the amount of available capital to the companies to $200 billion each.”

I still believe that this was a completely unconstitutional move.

Congress is supposed to control the purse-strings. The executive branch cannot appropriate at will. Guaranteeing an unbounded amount of losses is effectively an appropriation of unknown amount.

Comment by drumminj
2011-08-29 09:20:58

Congress is supposed to control the purse-strings. The executive branch cannot appropriate at will. Guaranteeing an unbounded amount of losses is effectively an appropriation of unknown amount.

But hey, a few more of these moves and people can legitimately direct 100% of their ire at the office of the presidency rather than @ Congress :)

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Comment by polly
2011-08-29 13:54:28

And members of Congress are the only ones with standing to sue over it. Which is why it was almost certainly agreed to ahead of time. The administration accepted the political liability/credit.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-29 08:26:23

“Remember when $200 billion was ALOT of money?”

Before we started spending $20 billion a year on air conditioning our troops in Iraq/Afghanistan?

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:20:42

Editorial
A Lifeline for Homeowners
Published: August 25, 2011

Help may finally be on the way for borrowers stuck in high-interest-rate mortgages. Shaila Dewan and Louise Story reported in The Times that the White House is considering a proposal that would ease refinancings for millions of underwater homeowners whose loans are owned or backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-controlled mortgage companies.

It’s a good idea, and, properly executed, the benefits would exceed any risks. The biggest question is President Obama’s willingness to battle the inevitable opposition.

Fannie, Freddie and investors in the agencies’ securities don’t want to see their interest income fall. Republican leaders are determined to block anything that Mr. Obama proposes — even if millions of Americans, and the overall economy, would benefit. It is not even clear if the president’s entire economic team is on board; when the idea was floated last year, the administration balked.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-08-29 04:29:28

I don’t know who wrote this baloney, but a few points:

‘The looser loan standards would not increase the risk of default’

Whooa, Nellie, you have got to be kidding.

‘By lowering the borrowers’ monthly payments, refinancing would make default less likely. It would also free up potentially tens of billions of dollars for consumer spending’

Yeah, the problem is these FBs aren’t spending enough! Come on New York Times, what ever happened to Krugmans Space Alien stimulus plan?

This is all la-la land thinking:

‘It could even help underwater borrowers restore equity in their homes if borrowers used some of their savings to pay down their loan principal’

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:37:35

“I don’t know who wrote this baloney…”

Clearly some liberal kook who thinks you can hose creditors without any future implications for private sources of loanable funds…

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:39:00

“This is all la-la land thinking…”

Hair-of-the-dog hangover cure, version 10.0

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-29 09:16:00

These people will stop at nothing to prevent the rich from taking the financial beating they so desperately deserve.

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Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 09:41:33

How about a real beating? Court-ordered of course. Nominate Richard Fuld as the first to receive a Singapore-style caning.

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2011-08-29 04:56:05

This is all about keeping hope alive among the ranks of the FBs.

If hope is kept alive then those FBs on the margin will keep staying and keep paying, and this hope will (hopefully) spread out and extend itself to future FBs who will then be encouraged by the NAR and others to put their (or somebody elses) money down and buy in at the bottom - which (according to them) must be near.

Keep them staying and keep them paying, this is what it is all about.

The goal is to not let a single FB dollar escape, not that this is all that hard to do.

Suck ‘em in, then shake ‘em out.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 05:13:52

I agree that this will keep hope alive for an existing FB. But I don’t agree that this will ’spread’ to new buyers. How? This program will lower the FB’s interest rate to 4%. If I, a new buyer, bought tomorrow, my interest rate would be … 4%.

So the program wouldn’t affect me at all…. except that it would keep prices high as FB’s no longer have to walk. But based just what i’ve seen online, that doesn’t make much difference either. Even if an FB walks and causes, for example, a $30K price drop in general, the FB usually leaves $30K of damage behind to be fixed. It sounds like a wash.

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Comment by combotechie
2011-08-29 05:21:55

It’s hope that I am saying will spread to new buyers, not the interest rates. If new buyers can be convinced that the bottom is near then they will begin to commit their money. These endless series of government programs are designed to keep hope alive - hope for both current FBs and future FBs.

Ultimately these programs are designed to keep the banks alive.

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-08-29 05:36:18

Something to keep in mind:

For decades we Americans have been exposed to liquidity crisises where money was temporaily made expensive by the Fed and we were taught for decades that we should buy the dips because these liquidity crisises would be short lived and prices would recover and go to new highs.

But buying the dips becomes financial suicide when the crisis is one of insolvency. But people do not understand this, and why should they? They never had the experience of insolvency. Illiquidity yes, but not insolvency.

And because of this lack of experience there is no shortage of those who can be convinced to commit all the money they have to the System. And the PTB know this and they are taking advantage of this as much as they can.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-29 06:51:34

“But buying the dips becomes financial suicide when the crisis is one of insolvency. ”

Isn’t buying the dip the whole ‘cash is king’ strategy?

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-08-29 06:57:52

No, staying in cash is the whole cash is king strategy.

 
Comment by scdave
2011-08-29 07:23:58

Some truth to that today combo but it only becomes “King” if you are prepared and willing to deploy it… Berkshire is a excellent example of this strategy…

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-29 08:09:35

“staying in cash is the whole cash is king strategy.”

Then why do you talk about buying stocks when the P/E ratios are below 8 or whatever?

That’s buying the dip. It’s just waiting for the right one.

 
Comment by Robin
2011-08-29 16:58:30

Or buy Berkshire and let Warren and crew buy the dips with free perks.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 08:56:22

I think that an FB family up the street just walked away from their house.

Place is listed in the county assessor records as residential owner occupied. And they’d been there for the entire time that I’ve been in this nabe. Most renters don’t stay as long.

Any-hoo, the house has been empty for almost a month.

BTW, county assessor records indicate some sort of refi after the place last changed hands. Methinks that’s how my now-former neighbors got their big, shiny red pickup truck.

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Comment by trainwreck
2011-08-29 13:17:31

Sounds like the stock market!

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 05:06:37

“The looser loan standards would not increase the risk of default.” (Whooa, Nellie, you have got to be kidding.)

Ben, why would this be false for someone who already bought? Yes, loose loan standards cause defaults on average because that allows a new, lower layer of riff-raff to buy. But here, they aren’t letting any NEW riff-raff. This program is geared toward individual existing FB’s, whose risk of default was already determined by their income level when they bought. Loosening the standard on an individual FB now isn’t going to change that initial risk of default on that individual FB.

(If the FB lost his job in the meantime, then his risk of default will go up, but that would be caused by the job loss, not the loose lending standards. )

I’m not advocating for or against the program, I’m just saying that the loose standards probably will “help” an FB, at least in the short term.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-29 05:32:10

I began writing the same thing but see you already made the point.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-08-29 05:39:11

As I understand it, the lower standards are lending when they are underwater. This means re-default. I don’t see how that helps anybody.

Unless, those proposing this are looking for a feel-good political sound-bite, and they don’t really care if it makes things worse. Personally, I think we’ve had enough of this self-serving crap out of Washington. These people have managed to turn a financial mess into something that threatens the entire economy.

This is what I think most people don’t understand about the global housing bubble. It isn’t once in a lifetime. It’s more like once in a thousand years. We don’t know because there has never been anything like this ever in history. It’s the scale of the problem that DC doesn’t understand. All these little programs do is divert attention from the real problem; prices. And the longer we piddle money away trying to keep prices from correcting, the longer recovery will take.

How many years of recession are you prepared for? How many ruined families, dreams put on hold? Because that’s what we are talking about here.

These people in DC are CAUSING more economic pain every day with these housing programs.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-29 05:51:27

“This is what I think most people don’t understand about the global housing bubble. It isn’t once in a lifetime. It’s more like once in a thousand years. We don’t know because there has never been anything like this ever in history. It’s the scale of the problem that DC doesn’t understand.”

Honestly I don’t even think we understand the scope and breadth of it with the exception of you. I will use your words I quoted as a very useful talking point with others. Thank you.

 
Comment by michael
2011-08-29 05:57:26

“How many years of recession are you prepared for?”

as long as “their guy” is in the white house.

if obama were a republican…they would be shouting from the roof tops against this policy…not carrying water.

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-29 06:05:47

if obama were a republican…they would be shouting from the roof tops against this policy…not carrying water.

You have consumed so much kool-aid you don’t even know what you are posting anymore.

Obama is your guy. His policies are what you voted for. He is doing exactly what he said he would do.

Yet - You keep defending him. You keep attacking anyone who points this out. Your support for obama is 100% - no questions asked. The party MUST come first. You can not leave the plantation.

Even the most insane Bush supporters criticized Bush on certain issues (budget, immigration, China, etc.).

Keep drinking - 2012 is a coming soon…

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 06:05:59

“if obama were a republican…”

Narrow vision and short memory are a great combination. Bush also had a program called “lifeline” for homeowners.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 06:07:59

So, an FB owes a mortgage. The FB has an interest rate of 6% and a payment of X per month. Change the interest rate to 4% and the FB pays less per month and uses the difference to pay other bills. The FB is LESS likely to default. This does NOT ruin families, it helps the family, at least in the short term.

What the house is worth, and whether the house is underwater, is not really relevant. It’s only relevant if the FB has to sell. HBB has been banging on this for years.

I wasn’t agreeing or disagreeing with the program, so questions like “how many years of recession am i prepared for” don’t fit here.

“How many families are putting their dreams on hold?” You mean, compared to the number of people who DIDN’T put their dreams on hold and already bought? Um, a drop in the bucket? To a politician looking at raw numbers of votes, we at HBB aren’t worth a bucket of pool algae.

You know, I would like it too, if President Obama told all those those FB’s to take a walk and declare and BK and rent, houses cratered to 1995 prices, we renters got our just reward for being responsible, bottom feeders got their day in the sun to play on the real estate market, and then all the FB could start over fresh and strong with house prices at 2x income. And at the end of this bloody day of battle, prescient and patient HBB posters would finally be avenged for all the bragging and contempt we received from relatives and co-workers and strawberry pickers and candle-shop owners.

I don’t think that’s going to happen. We’re just too outnumbered.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 06:29:51

“What the house is worth, and whether the house is underwater, is not really relevant.”

It is the only thing relevant for a whole generation of buyers who were absolutely sure the house was going to make them a profit. It is the only thing relevant when one of them has to move. It is the only thing relevant when expensive repairs are considered.

I had dinner with some friends upon my return to hometown. One of the wives was talking about needing to put a new central air unit in their lovely cottage. The husband said immediately “I’m not putting any more money into that house”.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 06:48:45

It’s only relevant if the FB has to SELL.

Absolutley sure the house was going to make them a profit… when they SELL.

When one of them has to move… so they have to SELL.

FB’s sweating without A/C doesn’t cost the taxpayer anything. However, A/C does decrease the worth a little bit, and that decrease will manifest… when your friends have to SELL.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 08:04:21

It is just hard to feel the love for an asset when it is a loser. Five years ago, my friend would have (and did) make improvements to the house because he percieved it as adding to his wealth. Now he sees it the other way, not because he has to sell, but because of his changed perception of his net wealth, and where it is headed.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2011-08-29 08:06:33

‘How many families are putting their dreams on hold’

I’m referring to the general economy, and the lack of jobs etc. In economics we are taught that recessions are the economies way of purging bad investments made during booms. It follows that the bad investments (capital and all other sorts of resources, like labor skills) from the housing boom must be eliminated/redirected, for the economy to recover. Trying to turn back the clock on the housing bubble is only delaying this recovery process.

I tried my best to explain this when I first started this blog. I was in college when the Texas bubble started collapsing. It went down so far and for so long, the misery was very real. Suicides, divorces, you name it. It didn’t matter if you owned a house or had an oil well, or had none of those things. The entire economy was in a depression. I’m not talking about keeping a house. I’m mean people who want to get married, hope to move up in their career and afford children. Life isn’t the same when the economy is in the dumps for 10 plus years. That’s what happened in Texas.

OK, so I ask you; did anyone try to prop up housing or oil prices then? Would it have been better for the people in Texas if the Feds had tried to get us all to buy houses? Or did things need to sort themselves out, and we had to figure out a way to make a living from some way other than flipping office buildings and drilling oil wells?

 
Comment by michael
2011-08-29 08:06:57

“Obama is your guy. His policies are what you voted for. He is doing exactly what he said he would do”

ummm…he’s not “my guy”.

i throw my vote away.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-29 08:15:34

If it took ten years of depression for Texas to work its way out of its own burst RE bubble- and that was without any government attempts to prop up the prices- then why do people think we’d quickly cure the current, much larger burst RE bubble, if government would just ‘get out of the way’?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 08:50:09

I tried my best to explain this when I first started this blog. Ben Jones

In Neon:

“A vastly over$old Debacle…” Ben Jones ;-)

1. DotBomb$
2. Get$tucco

New Compa$$ bearings required Capt’!:

Home $helter innovation$ in: appliance$, purcha$e finance $chemes, con$truction, ATM mind$et, $ocial Statu$ attitude$.

“a breeze, my ship for a breeze!” A cry from aboard the ship “Doldrum$” floundering somewhere in the Mid-Atlantic with a weary and disparate crew resigned to,… oar rowing.

 
Comment by Al
2011-08-29 09:35:26

“The FB is LESS likely to default. This does NOT ruin families, it helps the family, at least in the short term.”

It does cause long term financial disadvantage. Paying off an oversized loan for an undervalued house just doesn’t make sense. Jingle mail improves the balance sheet immensely. Or to put it another way, you get ‘instant equity’ by defaulting.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-29 10:42:42

ummm…he’s not “my guy”.

i throw my vote away.
————————————————–

Gee Michael….. You’re an “Obama guy” now??

“Michael Obama Guy” ;)

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 06:03:24

A loan interest modification does not change the reality that the debtor owes more than the house is worth. That is why there will still be a default.

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Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 06:21:31

How far underwater makes absolutely NO difference as to whether there is a default or not. There is a correlation, but no causation. It all comes down to the assets and future assets (income) of the borrower. Nothing else. Warren Buffet could be 1000% underwater and he wouldn’t default.

If the interest rate is lowered, more money goes to the principle instead of to the bank. This brings the home above water faster.

In this case, the “bank” is Freddie and Fannie Taxpayer. The only question is, which will help the economy more, giving that 2% in interest $$ to the taxpayer via a trickle-down method of shoring up of Fannie/Freddie’s balance sheet, or via a trickle-up method of job-saving from direct spending by the collective FB’s?

Which one will help renters more?
And which one will give Obama more votes?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 06:43:26

Well, I don’t like the choices. Taking my money away and “trickling” it to others who made really bad investments isn’t job creation, it’s involuntary job sharing.

The idea that taxing to give away so that people will spend and that will create an “economy” is not even a close second to the perpetual motion idea.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-29 06:48:44

“your” money?

You’ll have to explain that one.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 07:53:29

“In this case, the “bank” is Freddie and Fannie Taxpayer”

That’s me!

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-29 08:03:18

A loan interest modification does not change the reality that the debtor owes more than the house is worth. That is why there will still be a default.

This is true of everyone who takes out a loan to buy a house. INterest plus princilple is well above the actual cost of the house. For the person who stays in the house for 20 years it doesn’t matter if you write down principle or interest, for the person who is going to sell in a couple years it makes a BIG difference.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-29 08:23:44

Two key points:

1) Just because someone is underwater, doesn’t mean they are in default, or will necessarily be in default in the future. Plenty off people are paying the mortgages on houses that are underwater- but they can’t refi, unless those rules are changed.

2) If you’re worried about losing money because Fannie and Freddie are you (the taxpayer), bear in mind that making mortgages more affordable to those who already hold them, and who are on the edge financially, may be a profitable course of action for F and F, because it will result in fewer walkaways.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 08:43:26

I get what you are saying, but (1) many are defaulting and will, simply because the house doesn’t pencil out. (2) Throwing good money after bad in order to delay price discovery will make the eventual loss worse. It’s an extend and pretend. The only way this ends in better results is if the slump is the run of the mill temporary correction and the boom continues after the intermission. Somehow, I don’t expect that.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 08:43:44

I wonder for what kind of terms Fannie/Freddie bought those loans from the too-big-to-fail banks. Can they still make a profit at 4% interest?

 
Comment by evildocs
2011-08-29 09:03:25

—1) Just because someone is underwater, doesn’t mean they are in default, or will necessarily be in default in the future. Plenty off people are paying the mortgages on houses that are underwater- but they can’t refi, unless those rules are changed.—–

Once upon a time no one thought to refi, or bought with expectation to refi. That a generation of Target salesdude and saledudettes with $9/hr salary buy $500,000 condos (on HG TV) and gripe about needing to “update” everything, that they even know what “refi” is, are the sad issues at hand.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-29 09:11:58

“many are defaulting and will, simply because the house doesn’t pencil out”

But many others are still paying, and will continue to, if they can afford it. But they can’t refi, because they’re underwater.

“Throwing good money after bad in order to delay price discovery will make the eventual loss worse. ”

What ‘good money’ are we throwing away? We’re easing rates on vulnerable but paying customers, which is often a wise business decision.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 12:04:56

Maybe I am wrong not thinking that the debtor will be made whole, the bondholder will be made whole, and the taxpayer gets off for free! I haven’t seen any of these schemes that were not designed to transfer the public to the banks (or townships in Norway).

 
Comment by polly
2011-08-29 14:07:11

The bond holder gets his bond paid off early, stops earning x% on his money and has to look for another investment. There is always that risk when you buy a bond backed by debts that can be paid off. Always. It is even disclosed in the documents.

 
Comment by easthawaii
2011-08-29 15:11:56

Back to Ben’s comment that started this thread:
“I tried my best to explain this when I first started this blog. I was in college when the Texas bubble started collapsing. It went down so far and for so long, the misery was very real…. Life isn’t the same when the economy is in the dumps for 10 plus years. That’s what happened in Texas.”
Yes, the misery was very real and very long. As you know, Husband and I bought a house in Houston in 1981 for 80k, fell to 60k by 1984, 50k by 1986. Sold in 1999 for 68K. Husband was out of work for 2 years, me for one. Thought I had seen enough and learned enough to avoid the same traps in the 2000’s. But this time, the crash is nearly worldwide, except South Asia is still doing very well. The RTC moved a lot of real estate, this time nothing useful is being done. This time I can’t just wait to get another job, 61+, not many jobs on this island. I do lots of volunteer work now. Oh yeah, I’m one of the fortunate ones because I’ve got a vacation rental that brings in about $600/mo. But gasoline costs a fortune when you are 35 miles from town. Can’t sell until I think the income from the sale will support the rest of my years. What if I live until 90? Any ideas?

 
Comment by Robin
2011-08-29 17:52:33

When will underwater FBs decide to stay and pay because they couldn’t rent an equivalent house/home/investment for less than the current nut? And have the assurance that their (hopefully fixed) interest rate won’t go up? But their proposed rent can do so quickly and easily, without recourse.

 
 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 07:41:55

Loose lending leads to large losses as losers lose leveraged loans.

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Comment by rms
2011-08-29 12:31:11

+1 LOL!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 17:19:36

Awesome! :-)

Now remember kids, the bigger loan$ theys i$, the harder$ theys fall!

 
 
 
Comment by michael
2011-08-29 05:28:34

this is supposed to be deflationary?

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 06:08:27

Absolutely! It would remove more money from the taxpayers, the lenders and the FBs.

That money will go ..pop? …..ping? …..Combo help me out here.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-29 07:10:29

How would it remove more money from the taxpayers?

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-29 06:31:33

Well, there’s a thought. Allow people to refinance with a lower interest rate but faster amortization, so all the money goes to the bank!

If Fannie and Freddie get less money, the taxpayer will end up paying more. And it is not certain that this plan would redistribute income down rather than up on average.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2011-08-29 08:09:03

I think the faster amortization is the key to this plan.
By amortizing the loans on a shorter schedule (by sacrificing a portion of the payment that would have gone toward the higher interest rate) we get closer to getting these loan balances in line with the true value.

In essence the principal is being written down month by month by month rather than all at once.

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Comment by rms
2011-08-29 07:04:42

‘By lowering the borrowers’ monthly payments, refinancing would make default less likely. It would also free up potentially tens of billions of dollars for consumer spending’

Money for nothing, chicks for free.

 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:18:15

This plan is desperation.

1) Desperation to look like you are doing something, anything for someone other than Wall Street.

2) Desperation to get consumers spending again.

3) Desperation to get more people to stay in their underwater mortgages instead of walking.

IF we could refinance existing borrowers to lower rates and that DID result in lower future foreclsoure rate, than the lost income from lowering interest rates could be made up by lower losses.

HOWEVER, that assumes all else being equal. If you hold a Freddie/Fanny MBS from, say… 2006, you probably want a lot of your loans refi-ed off your MBS onto some new MBS.

However, if you own an MBS from… say… 2003, then you are already far less likely to get hit by a big loss from foreclosure. You do not want a lot of those notes being refi-ed out of your pool.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:23:31

America’s Unique, Unsuccessful And Dangerous Housing And Mortgage Policies
By Mark Perry on August 24, 2011

The Richmond Fed has an interesting cover story in its second quarter publication titled “Foreign Housing Finance,” with some interesting comparisons of U.S. housing finance, mortgage markets, and housing policy to other countries. Here’s an excerpt:

“It is common for developed-country governments to intervene in the provision of housing services. Many have state-owned rental properties for example, and most have housing programs targeted to lower-income families. Nearly every industrialized country also encourages the direct ownership of homes through tax breaks and other policies — but none does so to the extent of the United States.

“Compared to other developed countries, only a couple come even close,” says economist John Kiff, who in April 2011 published a comparative analysis with colleagues at the International Monetary Fund (IMF). “You’ve got interest payment deductibility, nonrecourse [mortgages] in some states, special protections in bankruptcy courts,” among other things, he says. Then there’s the support of mortgage finance by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the creatures of statute known as government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs). “Everything you could possibly name for supporting homeownership for everybody regardless of whether they can afford it, it’s all in place in the U.S.”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-29 09:18:51

Of course, Japan had a monster RE bubble. And many countries in Europe just shared in ours. Canada seems to be in one now, and Australia. And China…

What countries haven’t had a RE bubble? What are their policies? Sectarian warfare? Famine? Randian man-god philosopher-kings?

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-29 09:31:08

It seems that pretty much every country that has a currency and a banking system has a housing bubble.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:25:56

AUGUST 25, 2011, 3:51 P.M. ET

Mortgage Bond Market On Edge, Guessing On US Refinance Plans

–Administration officials study ways to increase number of homeowners who can refinance, haven’t settled on a plan

Former White House adviser says administration goal is to “return private funding to the housing market, not to cut it off”

By Al Yoon and Alan Zibel
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)–The U.S. market for mortgage-backed securities is increasingly on edge this week as a dour economic outlook fans speculation that the government will come to the aid of homeowners who have been unable to take advantage of record low interest rates.

Traders reported the most volatile trading this year in some MBS amid speculation that the Obama administration would remove at least some hurdles to refinancing for borrowers with weaker credit and whose loans are underwater. The administration has been weighing numerous options to stabilize the battered housing market–a key source of weakness in the economy.

Administration officials have been studying ways to increase the number of homeowners who can refinance, but haven’t settled on a definite plan.

Just chatter about such changes is upending a profitable trade on MBS backed by loans with rates at 6% and higher. Investors, who are hurt when a loan is refinanced, had flocked to those bonds for stable refinancing levels because any borrowers that could have refinanced would have likely already done so. Investors swapped into lower rate MBS.

“It’s a very tenuous time,” said Kevin Jackson, a trader at Wells Fargo Securities in Charlotte, N.C. “The government has historically surprised the market with statements, and so you’re seeing a lot of people getting stopped out and saying ‘I can’t take this risk.’”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:32:37

by Rob Chrisman
New Refinance Program Unlikely. What About a 21st Century Homestead Act?
August 25, 2011

Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway, who owns about 10% of Wells Fargo, announced that it is investing $5 billion in Bank of America. $100,000 per share for 50,000 shares…as one would expect, BofA’s stock is up over 20%. Buffett stated that BofA is a “strong and well-led company.” That is a big chunk of change, and already at a profit given this morning’s stock move. He now owns big chunks of the two largest mortgage lenders.

The mortgage herd is spooked again, as it was last year (or maybe the year before) with a story making the rounds about a government-sponsored major refinancing program. Brian Collins with National Mortgage News seems to be the source of this, although “industry officials” are quoted. But “at this point in time there are few specifics on the table regarding the plan.” The story goes on to say, “Mortgage executives say the White House is finally realizing they cannot get the economy rolling again until they provide some payment relief for the estimated 11 million under water borrowers…’My best guess is the administration will offer incentives to lenders to allow borrowers who are current, but under water, refinance,’ one source said. This source also added the refinancing program will focus on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac guaranteed loans as well as mortgages in private-label securities. The GSEs already have a special refinancing program for borrowers with loan-to-value ratios above 105% — but the effort has not reached many underwater borrowers.”

Tom Harmon, a mortgage trader with Cantor-Fitzgerald, quickly wrote, “The National Mortgage News ran a headline, ‘White House Contemplating Major Refinancing Program?’ Prior to today, I have not heard of the National Mortgage News. Their ’sources’ offered no details. There is nothing new here. The administration and some in congress will continue to make headlines of home issues. As the administration has run out of economic bullets, this is likely to be a talking point ahead of the elections. Don’t be distracted. Focus on handicapping any major enhanced streamline refinancing program rolled out by Fannie or Freddie or one mandated by congress without substantial GSE reform/changes. Congress has had a few years to tackle the tough housing issues we face. None may be tougher than the ultimate fate of the GSE’s and guidelines under which they operate. A national refinance program makes a nice headline; however, the implementation is not a simple flip of the switch. This is not a ‘no cost’ fiscal stimulus as many claim. Presuming the government is willing to let the private investment community take the hit on the trillions of 30-year Fannie & Freddie-issued MBS’s currently trading over a 109 dollar price, don’t forget the $542 billion agency MBS at the GSE’s. While one could argue that the GSE credit book would be in a better position, the GSE itself may not be. For the above reasons, we are unlikely to see an endemic large scale enhanced refinance program. Thus, we return to a congressional solution. The budget debate renews in the fall and will take the front and center position. While it is likely we will see continued focus and execution on HAMP/HARP type programs, do you think congress will introduce and pass a major GSE bill ahead of next year’s elections?” Well said.

Comment by polly
2011-08-29 08:19:49

” Presuming the government is willing to let the private investment community take the hit on the trillions of 30-year Fannie & Freddie-issued MBS’s …”

This is always a risk when purchasing a security backed by loans. The documents contain extensive analysis of the pay off rates of the type of loans included in the package, then say clearly that there is no guarantee that the loan package in this security will have the same charateristics. They warn that payoff rates go up due to refinancings when interest rates go down. The government creating a program that helps people refinance the loans when they otherwise would not have been eligible causing the securities to wind down faster is just another kind of risk. There is NO guarantee in any of these things that people will get to keep collecting their promised interest for the full term of the security.

Serioulsy. Who cares? This is a reason for the people who own the securities to whine, but not to kill the program if it is a good idea. Also not a reason to do the program if it is otherwise a bad idea. It is simply irrelevant.

Now, the fact that the GSEs own bunch of their own securities (how is that a good idea?) is another issue, but it shouldn’t be dispositive either.

I’ve said before that this thing is essentially impossible. If it isn’t impossible, then it is hard enough to have almost no effect on the market, though it might influence consumer behavior for a while until they find out they aren’t eligible.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:34:23

Refinance a big mortgage before it’s too late…

Time is ticking on the conforming loan limits clock. On October 1st, the maximum on jumbo-conforming loans for single family residences, which are between $417,000 and $729,750 will drop by over $100,000 to $625,500 in the Bay Area. As the Bay Area has a pricey housing market, plenty of homeowners and would be homeowners are likely to have a mortgage in this territory. While October 1 seems like a few weeks away, for a mortgage to meet the current jumbo-conforming standards, it must close by September 30th. Mortgages in this area typically take around 30 days or so to close, so the the time is really now or never.

Post September 30th, borrowers wanting to take out a mortgage in excess $625,500 for a single family residence will have to look at the pure jumbo rates and requirements. When the credit crisis first started, it was difficult to find lenders willing to do jumbo lending, as the loans cant be sold to Fannie or Freddie. Those that were offering jumbo mortgages were getting a significant premium over conforming rates.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 06:10:17

Not enough time left to close a deal by October 1.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:45:41

Orange County California Republican recognizes “need” for government role in housing… who’d've thunk?

Aug. 29, 2011, 7:00 a.m. EDT
Republican on need for government role in housing
Rep. Campbell’s bipartisan bill would create reserve fund to limit taxpayer losses
By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — To maintain the 30-year fixed rate mortgage and to allow the housing finance system, and economy, to recover, the government needs to provide a guarantee for mortgages, according to Republican Representative John Campbell.

That premise is a key component of bipartisan legislation Campbell, an Orange County Republican, has co-authored. The bill has been lauded by some analysts as the legislation that Republicans and Democrats will agree to as the model for overhauling the troubled government-seized housing giants Fannie Mae (FNMA +1.49%) and Freddie Mac (FMCC +5.19%) that have already cost taxpayers some $130 billion.

Campbell told MarketWatch in a phone interview that his bill will spark private capital formation and at the same time reassure the faltering markets and put the economy on a positive footing.

This philosophy puts the 56-year-old representative on a collision course with some in his party -—including key Republicans on the House Financial Services Committee of which he is a member — who are seeking a completely privatized mortgage market with no government backing.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 05:27:22

Here’s what this bill is about (from the interview with Campbell):

Rep. Campbell: This bill seeks to create five or more firms that we call guarantee associations that would guarantee packages of loans for the secondary mortgage market. These firms would have to have a certain amount of capital on hand as a buffer against troubled loans. Mortgages that are given a government guarantee must have the first 20% covered by someone else – either a 20% borrower down-payment or if there is less than 20% down, then the originator or mortgage insurer has to take risk on the first 20%. … The buyers of the mortgage securities would pay a fee for the government guarantee and that capital would be used to create an insurance fund, used to pay claims if there were ever a failure of one of these firms.

Q: Why have five or more companies do this guaranteeing?

A: When you have two guarantors, as we had with Fannie and Freddie, the whole system went down. They were definitely too big to fail. …We hope there will be dozens of these associations, some of which could be specialized in a particular market, such as multi-family homes or with a focus on a particular region, and others could be generalists.

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Dozens of competing little Fannie/Freddies, but private money has to put 20% down to buy in, and there are enough of them that you can allow one or two of them to fail. IMO, this sounds like a pretty good idea. The only drawback is that there is probably not enough cash sloshing around to fund all those necessary 20% down payments.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-08-29 05:59:08

I’ll try to put this in a way that even people in congress can understand. Here in Flagstaff, we have a group of doctors that were going down to Haiti periodically to provide health care services. I heard a doctor in Haiti say that they were having a problem getting their heath care system back on its feet because all these outsiders were giving away services that they were charging for. Sure, right after the earthquake some help may be justified, but in the longer term, making services free hurts the system.

If you want a sound lending system, stop subsidizing it.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 06:57:38

Considering that this bubble pop is — in HB terms — like a slow motion train wreck, one could argue that, on this slow-motion timeline, FB’s are still at the point “just after the earthquake,” when outside help is still needed.

By your analogy, if you want a sound health care system, you could just let all the sick people die and start fresh with a healthy population. I suppose that’s one way to do it.

Again, this is not pro/con of these programs. I’m just showing the politician angle. How do you get the most votes?

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Comment by Insurance Guy
2011-08-29 07:41:50

I think it would be OK for doctors from the US to go down and train local medical staff in Haiti. But to provide the actual medical care free just drains the economy of Haiti.

As for parallels with the banking system, YES. A sound financial system will result when the subsidies stop.

It may be a bit cyclical but I think that would be good. It is the financial stability that led to the insane bubble.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 09:02:31

I think it would be OK for doctors from the US to go down and train local medical staff in Haiti. But to provide the actual medical care free just drains the economy of Haiti.

One of the tenets of disaster relief and recovery is that you want to get the local economy back up and running as quickly as possible.

That’s why so many of the relief efforts after the 2004 tsunami were directed toward providing funds so that the locals could rebuild their houses — and hire local businesses to do the work. In general, foreign volunteers did not go to tsunami-affected areas to do the rebuilding for them.

 
 
Comment by measton
2011-08-29 08:09:31

If you want a sound lending system, stop subsidizing it.

Stop guaranteeing it, stop allowing WS and banks to sell the risk to someone else and tie CEO compensation to the long term performance of loans.

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Comment by CrackerJim
2011-08-29 14:09:28

I agree.

 
 
Comment by CrackerJim
2011-08-29 14:20:59

US taxpayer subsidized rice shipments from the US to Haiti (for relief efforts) wiped out all the free market Haitian rice farmers and insured that Haiti would be a subsidized rice importer forever.

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Comment by Robin
2011-08-29 18:47:27

How do we prevent hurting the local economy by extending our grandiose and generous offerings?

Jerry Lewis is now gone….maybe that’s a clue.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-29 06:09:06

A: When you have two guarantors, as we had with Fannie and Freddie, the whole system went down. They were definitely too big to fail.

What he is really saying - if you have a bunch of Fannies and Freddies running around - you can allow some of them to FAIL.

Which keeps the others in line.

Comment by polly
2011-08-29 08:25:48

Except that since they are all competing with eachother, if one makes a dumb decision that makes money short term but risks a huge loss later, they will all start to do it. Since they will all be making the same decisions, they will all fail together. As a group, they will still be too big to fail.

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Comment by josemanolo
2011-08-29 20:58:09

what he is saying is that there will be campaign donation is now multiplied by 5 or 6 instead of 2.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 06:14:51

“but private money has to put 20% down to buy in, …… not enough cash sloshing around to fund all those necessary 20% down payments.”

Haha! People cannot afford to put 20% down, so let’s get someone else to do it for them. Sounds like a great plan.

Prices are too high.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 06:40:46

Reading this snippet sounds like a stealth QRM. Gov refuses to put down the 20%. Buyers don’t have the 20%. Banks either don’t have the 20% or refuse to risk the 20%.*

Result: The gov will extend an offer…which will be refused.

Next result can go one of two ways:
Change the law to lower the 20% to 10% to 5% . (would never pass Congress).
Change the prices to where people DO have 20%.

It IS a great plan, because it will crash house prices. At worst, it will do nothing.

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*based on the comments to the proposed QRM rule, even 5% is too much for them. Banks whined that they want to go back to the days of clean securitization with no strings and the fat fees that go with.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 07:05:43

One wonders about the trajectory of this. Eventually, the house crazed buyer is going to have to put up the money. After years and years of falling house prices, I doubt the unsubsidized lender will settle for 20% down. Maybe when everybody who lives through this collapse is replaced by their great grand children?

 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:59:06

“Prices are too high.”

OR

Wages are too low and jobs with good wages too scarce.

All Wall Street and their puppet government can envision is a debt based economy, and they see fixing housing as the way to get the debt going again.

WRONG!

The debt based economy has run its course. We need to return to a wage based economy.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-29 05:36:01

Expect Realtor, developer and GOP Senator Johnny Isakson to strong arm this one through the house.

He is bought and paid for NARpig.

 
Comment by michael
2011-08-29 06:00:59

“To maintain the 30-year fixed rate mortgage and to allow the housing finance system, and economy, to recover, the government needs to provide a guarantee for mortgages”

how so?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 04:51:41

It looks like only North Dakota’s and Oklahoma’s housing markets are “showing improvements” these days.

Aug. 26, 2011, 9:00 a.m. EDT
Charting home-price slump and new-house inventory
Also in charts: Jobless claims, machinery orders, European sentiment

House prices down in most states

Nationally, prices of homes using Fannie Mae- and Freddie Mac-acquired mortgages dropped 5.9% in the second quarter compared to the same period of 2010, the Federal Housing Finance Agency said this week. Put another way, home prices on an inflation-adjusted basis tumbled 10%. Of the major metropolitan areas, the biggest price decline was 14.1% in Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta in Georgia. By contrast, prices rose 3.7% in Pittsburgh.

Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 05:40:34

This kind of info is probably useless without further breakdown. North Dakota is Where the Jobs Are, for the moment. I don’t know about Oklahoma. Delaware is dropping likely due to a crash in beachfront second homes.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-29 06:57:27

What kind of jobs? And how much do the houses cost in ND?

Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 07:44:48

Teh google and teh NAR:

http://www.simplyhired.com/a/local-jobs/city/l-Williston,+ND

Median income in Williston: $29,962. Mostly semi-skilled jobs like sales clerks, truck driver, sand dumpers, and other roughneck stuff. Nearby Belfield is about the same.

In Williston:

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1802-35th-St-W_Williston_ND_58801_M88338-95401

3/2 1600 sq ft single-wide. It’a actually pretty nice inside, deck and hot tub. Tornado magnet.

Listed for $159K.

Here’s a higher end: huge but boring 5/3 split level on 4 acres:

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/4917-Prairie-Ln_Williston_ND_58801_M72657-58726

Listed for $410K.

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wow, talk about a jobs premium…

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 08:16:52

North Dakota ;-)

The map headline is not the territory.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-29 08:32:43

So a single-wide goes for over 5x median income? Yee-ha! Let’s all move to the icebox and be roughnecks in the oil fields!

I’d rather be underwater on the beach.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-08-29 09:04:18

The only people who move to ND are the people who really want to live there. It’s been the least visited state by tourists for the past 20 years or so.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 09:38:09

I’m feeling the snark, alpha. When I was looking up the housing, it struck me that Williston is one oil city where you can’t do the Oil City Plan.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-08-29 10:41:50

You can’t do the Oil City Plan in any real oil city. It only works in places that USED to be oil cities…one of which happens to actually be named “Oil City”.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-08-29 09:37:24

North Dakota is in a massive housing bubble, exacerbated by a massive oil-boom which will most certainly end up in an epic bust. I was talking to a guy whose son and daughter-in-law moved to North Dakota from Washington about 7 years ago because housing was so cheap there. They bought a 2500 sq. ft. house with a barn on 25 acres for less than $20k. That same house today is over $200k.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-29 12:16:18

Sell now or be priced in forever!

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 13:48:10

“Sell now or be priced in forever!”

Heck no.

Cash-out refi, hide the money, then walk.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Jess from upstate SC
2011-08-29 05:11:14

Friends of ours moved to L A and are paying 2k per month to rent a slider of a house , in a fairly ‘’safe” area . Out there it is not so much about the shape of the house as to how many dangerous 2 legged animals are close about . Somewhat like the old west , we guess, gun & all.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-29 05:33:57

To this day I am sooo glad we escaped from California. Not because of high taxes or “union goons”, but because of:

1) Insane cost of living, driven primarily by housing prices.
2) The lack of overall safety
3) The horrid commutes and traffic jams.
4) The transformation into a 3rd world country.

Comment by Darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 07:12:51

I too am a refugee of California, having been born and raised in the Los Angeles area. I am very glad I left, and will likely never live there again.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 08:13:20

California = wonderful!
Lost Angeles = nice place to have a short visit.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-29 08:40:08

LOL! San Diego would a better choice for a vacation than LA, plus you can make a side trip to LA for whatever floats your boat (Disney, Hollywood, etc.)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 09:09:39

(Disney, Hollywood, etc.) Oh, yuk!

Dive under the CorpInc.’$ Froth & Foam crapola…rub elbows with them thar mixed immigrant American street vendor$:

Here’s x2 example: :-) (Please excuse Hwy’s shameless plug$ in advance Mr. Ben)

Anzen Hardware store: x14′ wide, x70′ long, x20′ high

Category: Shopping Home & Garden Hardware Stores Hardware Stores
309 E 1st St
Los Angeles, CA 90012
Neighborhoods: Little Tokyo, Downtown

comments:
What a fantastic neighborhood hardware store and a destination for chefs and cooks who need top-notch cutlery.
There’s a good supply of gardening tools like bamboo rakes. Simple things like mops or tea pots. Or a small wooden stool, which is what I purchased today.
The owner is very helpful and friendly - he really makes you feel like being a loyal customer because he cares.

My DH brought me home a wooden handled and cased knife about 12 years ago from here! Since moving downtown almost 4 years ago we’ve become regulars at Anzen. We prided ourselves this Christmas by buying ALL of our gifts in downtown. Some came from Anzen! He has an awesome collection of japanese chef knives! I recently went to a Border Grill cooking demo and they were singing the praises of Anzen’s knives. They showed one they had bought from him in 1983!! He has a picture of them on his wall that looks just as old! He say, “oh, yes they are my customers”! I love shopping at local establishments from friendly nice people and this fun store fits the bill. you can find things you absolutley can’t live without that you didn’t even know existed before walking in the door, like someone else said!

(1st stop on the Metro Gold-Line south of Union Station. If you go to 1st stop North of Union (Koreatown), you can get a great cup of joe for .09 cents! @ Phillipe’s [awesome beef stew for $3.50]!

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:24:39

Or just go stay with one of my sisters in Oceanside. Then I’m an hour from either place. Too bad the traffic on the 5 is ssoooooo horrid since everyone is trying to live away from the big cities and travel in for work.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 09:33:56

Trolley’s, lite-rail Sprinter, Coaster train, All aboard Amtrak!

San Diego-El Cajo-Escondido-Oceanside

($14.00 all day pass, plus all buses & bring your bicycle!)… No traffic, no parking fee$

:-)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 09:48:17

Well, eyes reckon iffin’ you need a “vintage” old-time Di$ney fix, this place is x2 doors down from Anzen Hardware: (awesome Zippo collection!) ;-)

Panawest

Categories:
319 E 1st St
Los Angeles, CA 90012
Neighborhood: Little Tokyo, Downtown

cooments:

Go Voltron! Collectables and Zippo!

This place sells all the collectibles you played with as a kid. From Hot Wheels to dolls, they have it here. They also carry a large variety of Zippo products. I was surprised to see Disney collectibles and the same Voltron toy I had as a kid. Mine is long lost. The one for sale here was brand spanking new!

If you are in J-Town or a collector, this is a must stop. I am a fan!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-29 05:34:37

Service cuts in St. Lucie County aren’t painful to most residents

Posted: 10:10 PM
Eric Pfahler, TC Palm

ST. LUCIE COUNTY — Port St. Lucie, Fort Pierce and the county altogether have cut about half a billion dollars from their budgets in the last five years since the economy tanked, but officials have worked to make the cuts invisible to most residents.

Internal memos might take longer to receive attention than they once did.

It takes longer for builders to get permits, and some services are no longer available on holidays. Since 2007, St. Lucie County residents have had services trimmed as local governments recalibrate their budgets to coincide with massive reductions in property values.

“I honestly think the county’s done a marvelous job with the cuts,” said Craig Mundt, a member of the county’s Citizens Budget Committee. “I’ve seen very little impact on services.”

Port St. Lucie and Fort Pierce have made cuts, but the largest service impact has come from the county. All three entities, however, have eliminated more than 20 percent of their workforce as governments search for efficiency amidst declining revenues.

“Obviously, it’s never good when you’re laying off employees, and having reduced our workforce by more than one third is rather painful,” County Commission Chairman Chris Craft said. “But the reality is we’re part of the stewards of the property tax dollars that the people of St. Lucie County pay, and we need to make sure we’re running as efficiently as possible. I think (the decline in tax dollars has) helped us re-gauge that.”

Mundt said the biggest impact has been on employees. With staff reductions, current employees often have multiple tasks.

“What I do see, is I see a burden on the county employees,” he said. “They are really stretched and working hard.”

Still, not all service cuts in services have gone unnoticed.

Diminished library hours, decreases in lifeguards protecting beaches and longer times between mowing of public land are among service cuts that have generated complaints.

In Fort Pierce, employees have been furloughed.

In Port St. Lucie, 24 police officers were laid off.

Fort Pierce Mayor Bob Benton said city officials plan to end the furloughs after this budget year, but he hasn’t gotten many complaints from residents about City Hall being closed one day per month.

“When I explained the big picture, they were very understanding,” he said

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_st_lucie_county/service-cuts-in-st.-lucie-county-aren‘t-painful-to-most-residents- -
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If they can cut half a billion in that county with the cuts invisible to most residents, kinda makes me wonder what the federal govt. could do if they really wanted or needed to.

Comment by 2banana
2011-08-29 07:08:52

Service cuts in St. Lucie County aren’t painful to most residents

You know what will cause ZERO pain to nearly all residients and save a boatload of money?

Changing public union pensions to 401K plans
Having public unions pay something for their own health care
Have public union workers actually work to a retirement age in order to collect their retirement and not be able to spike them
etc.

Comment by Mike
2011-08-29 08:57:51

Right, because in a market economy, you can just cut your employees’ compensation, and there is nothing they can do about it.

Oh wait…

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-29 09:07:34

“What I do see, is I see a burden on the county employees,” he said. “They are really stretched and working hard.”

So what does that mean they were doing before?

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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-08-29 10:44:40

You mean back when anybody who suggested maybe there was a bit of slack in the system was called horrible names?

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-08-29 16:13:25

back when anybody who suggested maybe there was a bit of slack in the system was called horrible names?

Are you suggesting we’ve moved beyond that period? ;)

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-08-29 19:32:16

Speaking of slack, any news on a new plugin? :-P

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-29 06:07:09

Daily Invective~

Realtors Are Liars®

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 07:01:05

It’s like Groundhog Day, every day.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 08:08:23

America [AA+] day 24! ;-)

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 11:46:51

$tandard & make’emPoor, = “True$editionist$$erialEnabler$™” ;-)

“Boycott ‘em!” (& their Fee$ible Opinionbaiter$ Progno$tication$)

heheeeheeeheehaahaaahaaheeehaahaaa… (Hwy50™)

Reaction to U.S. Downgrade Shows Just How “Unimportant” Ratings Agencies Are, Eisinger Says:
By Peter Gorenstein | Daily Ticker – Fri, Aug 26, 2011

And, what’s most shocking of all is that any of these ratings agencies are still in business despite totally bungling the ratings of mortgage securities at the heart of the financial crisis. Let’s not forget S&P, Moody’s and Fitch rated thousands of toxic subprime loans AAA when in fact they were more like junk.

“It’s very shocking there’s been so little reckoning for their disasters of the finical crisis,” Eisinger says. “I think over time their franchise disappears but I’ve been predicting that for while and it’s been totally wrong.”

What does it all mean?

“It just emphasizes the irrelevance of the ratings agencies,” says Jesse Eisinger senior reporter at ProPublica and longtime critic of the ratings agencies. “I think this was a watershed moment for how unimportant the ratings agencies are.”

As the old saying goes the market can stay irrational far longer than you can stay solvent.

 
 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 10:50:22

Lynch-mobs will have bigger fish to fry than Realtors.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-08-29 11:40:37

I agree. The corporatist elite is at the top of the list.

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 12:05:22

The sheeple will lynch each other over sports rivalries or perceived ‘disrespect’ before they would ever turn their disaffection toward a worthy, noble target like the corporate pigmen and their bi-partisan political fluffers.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-29 06:10:00

Hardest Hit mortgage modification program gets 1,140 Treasure Coast applications, 61 approved
By Nadia Vanderhoof
TCPalm
Posted August 25, 2011

The Florida Hardest Hit Fund was created to assist those struggling to pay their mortgage because of a financial hardship, but Treasure Coast real estate experts say numbers show the program isn’t doing enough to keep homeowners from foreclosure.

About 1,140 homeowners on the Treasure Coast and in Okeechobee County have applied for the program designed to aid families in states hit hard by the economic and housing market downturn.

But of those, just 61 local applications have been approved. Treasure Coast homeowners received only $49,207 so far out of the $1.098 million that was allocated to them collectively out of the program’s budget.

Statewide, 24,624 homeowners have submitted applications for program. Of that number, 5,559 were ineligible.

Green said the state has five years to spend the $1 billion allocated to Florida homeowners. So far, about $36.8 million has been used from that budget. Green said all the money must be spent by 2017.

“The Martin County (application) numbers speak volumes for the effectiveness of the program. The eligibility requirements for the program, the requirements of the homeowner and current mortgage are almost insurmountable and definitely disappointing,” said Linda Prange, president of the Realtors Association of Martin County. “It’s an attempt that falls incredibly short of serving any useful purpose for the many who need help. In reality, (the) Florida Hardest Hit Fund isn’t even a good Band-Aid.”

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/aug/25/hardest-hit-mortgage-modification-program-gets/?partner=RSS - 111k -

Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 07:48:51

Free Money For Banks Trickles In:

-fixed headline.

 
 
Comment by BlueStar
2011-08-29 06:10:54

Forget natural disasters!
The #1 corn beetle has developed resistance to Monsanto GM corn. I wonder what would happen if we have a corn crop failure for several years in a row? What if this goes worldwide? Nature knows the human race is out of balance with the available resources. This is the cure.

http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/morning_call/2011/08/monsanto-corn-plant-losing-resistance.html

Comment by scdave
2011-08-29 07:35:56

I wonder what would happen if we have a corn crop failure for several years in a row ??

Price of gas would go up….

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 07:54:43

Silver linings: Monsanto would take a huge hit in the pockebook. There would be less Roundup in the environment. People would eat less corn-fed meat. High fructose corn syrup would be phased out. Kids could actually read the words on the ketchup bottle. Farmers would go back to planting regular corn…

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 09:06:07

There would be less Roundup in the environment.

Point of info: Roundup came off patent about 10 years ago. So, if you’re looking to buy glyphosphate, the generic Ace Hardware equivalent will do just as well.

And, if you’re looking for natural alternatives, try Burnout, which you can buy in bulk online.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 08:02:18

“Farmers are told to create a refuge for the bugs by planting non-modified corn in part of their fields. The refuge, which can be as much as 20% of a farmer’s field, is supposed to reduce the chances that two toxin-resistant bugs mate and pass along that trait to their offspring.

Dr. Gray said the confirmation of toxin-resistant rootworms in Iowa could force the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to revisit its policy of allowing the size of these insect refuges to shrink to as little as 5% of a cornfield as crop biotechnology companies begin to sell seed for corn plants that can make two different rootworm-killing toxins.”

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20% is a lot, maybe enough to cancel out any profit advantage to the GM corn. Not HBB, but interesting. You learn something new every day.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 08:05:57

Hwy $ense’s a trend pattern: ;-)

MSDO$
Window$
Window$98
Window$XP
Window$Vista

(Me thinks Mon$anto reckons that the farmers will have something else to ALWAYS upgrade besides their implement equipment.)

Roundup Des Monies
Roundup Omaha
Roundup Sioux Falls
Roundup Wichita

Comment by CrackerJim
2011-08-29 14:07:05

“Roundup Des Monies”.

That is a good one you slipped in there, hwy.

 
 
Comment by Elanor
2011-08-29 12:10:27

Not surprising. Nature finds a way. We already have (microscopic) superbugs resistant to antibiotics. It was only a matter of time until much larger critters developed resistance to Monsanto’s engineered plants. I can imagine the SyFy original movie now: Superinsects vs. Farmers! Be afraid.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 06:32:41

Boating survival lessons learned:

Windex + spiders = poof!

WD40 + wasps = poof!

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-08-29 07:29:06

Boating survival lessons learned a decade ago on the Chesapeake Bay.

1. Don’t try to pass a 38′ yacht that’s coming up on plane in your 21′ runabout (there can actually be holes in the water!).

2. Cargo ships are going faster than they appear to be going.

 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 07:46:50

WD-40 on deck = splash!

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-08-29 08:07:01

OK, the WD40 was an experiment at the dock, where peskies were guarding the electrical hookup enclosure.

 
 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 08:02:49

Obama + Teleprompter with American flag in background = vomit

Comment by measton
2011-08-29 08:45:51

mission accomplished

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:28:50

Is that limited to just Obama? I get that same feeling regardless of the politician.

Perry’s, “God, country, country, military, God, God, military, country, God…” declarition of candidacy had me spewing….

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-29 12:23:15

This is probably why soundbites work. They are all most of us can stomach of political speech.

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Comment by wmbz
2011-08-29 07:01:18

Small business hiring slows in August, wages dip.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Hiring by small businesses slowed in August and employers reduced hours, an independent survey showed on Sunday, suggesting the recent stock market turmoil may have dampened job creation.

Intuit, a payrolls processing company, said small businesses added 35,000 jobs after increasing employment by 40,000 in July.

The survey is based on responses from about 66,000 employers at businesses with fewer than 20 employees that use the Intuit Online Payroll system and covered the period from July 24 to August 23.

“There was plenty of bad news this month and the Intuit small business employment figures show this,” said Susan Woodward, the economist who helped to develop the survey. “From this month’s numbers, we don’t see a new recession, but we don’t see a robust recovery either.”

A sharp drop in share prices after Standard & Poor’s stripping the nation of its top AAA credit rating knocked down consumer and business confidence. Sentiment also soured as the sovereign debt crisis in Europe spread.

There are fears the month’s stock market rout could make businesses hesitant to hire new workers.

The government will release its employment report for August on Friday, which will be gleaned for clues on whether the economy is sliding back into recession.

According to a Reuters survey, nonfarm payrolls probably increased 80,000 this month after July’s 117,000 gain.

Three of the 62 economists polled predicted a contraction in nonfarm employment this month, citing the erosion of business confidence and a strike by 45,000 Verizon Communications workers during the payrolls survey period.

They cautioned, however, that a drop in August employment should not be interpreted as a sign the economy was back in recession. The economy grew at a 1 percent annual rate in the second quarter after expanding only 0.4 percent in the January to March period.

The average work week for small business employees fell 0.3 percent to 24.9 hours, according to the Intuit survey, while the average monthly salary eased 0.08 percent to $2,649.

Comment by scdave
2011-08-29 08:04:32

Hiring by small businesses slowed in August and employers reduced hours, an independent survey showed on Sunday ??

I don’t rub elbows with the high tech sector but I do with a lot of blue collar types…I am always asking how things are going…I have seen a distinct “stall” in hours worked with this group in the last 60 days…Particularly in the last 30 days…

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-08-29 13:05:07

I AM in the tech sector and the phones have gotten quiet in that same time frame. Had a great May and June and two dismal months since.

Meanwhile, Intel has a half dozen cranes erecting their new fab over in Washington County.

Like I said this weekend: Tea leaf reading has become…challenging.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-08-29 17:12:49

I’m following BOA’s Foreclosure & SS Dept hiring, and they have restructured to create many part time positions to avoid decent pay and bennies. A 20-25 hr work week.
(So Ca)

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-29 07:15:11

More good news! The great American consumer is out doing what they were trained to do!

Consumer spending rebounds, rose 0.8 pct. in July.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Consumer spending grew in July by 0.8 percent, the largest amount in five months. That followed a decline in June and helped ease fears that the U.S. economy is on the verge of another recession.

Personal incomes increased 0.3 percent last month, the Commerce Department said. That’s slightly higher than the modest 0.2 percent in June, the weakest growth in seven months.

The first look at spending in the second half of the year gave Wall Street an early lift. Stock futures rose after its release. It added to positive reports that Hurricane Irene didn’t do as much damage as feared.

Consumer spending is important because it accounts for 70 percent of economic activity.

Economists said the report was a strong sign that the economy rebounded in July after anemic growth in the first half of the year.

July’s spending and income figures “significantly alter the outlook for third-quarter GDP growth,” said Paul Dales, a senior U.S. economist for Capital Economics. Dales said growth for the July-September quarter is on track for an annual rate of 2.5 percent, up from his previous estimate of 1.5 percent.

The government on Friday lowered its growth estimate for the April-June quarter to an annual rate of just 1 percent. Through the first six months of the year, the economy grew just 0.7 percent — the weakest in the two years since the recession official ended.

A number of reports show the economy improved last month. The economy added 117,000 net jobs in July, twice the number added in each of the previous two months. Spending on retail goods rose faster last month than in any month since March. U.S. automakers rebounded last month to boost factory production by the most since the Japan crisis.

In July, consumer spending rose at a faster pace than income. That means Americans saved less. The savings rate fell to a four-month low of 5 percent, down from 5.5 percent in June.

Comment by polly
2011-08-29 08:41:03

OK, I admit it. Part of this was me. I went on vacation and spent money preparing for it and during it (July part was in the US, August part was in Canada).

I also had to get my car fixed which was a substantial chunk.

Please note, that this is not indicative of my spending trend for the rest of the year. The car fix guarantees I won’t be car shopping. The vacation wiped out my accumulation in the account I use for fun spending. I’ll be building that up before the stores see me again.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 09:09:44

In my nabe, it’s Brush and Bulky pickup week. Which means that all sorts of tree cuttings, old couches, ruined coffee tables, busted toys, and other treasures are set out on curbsides.

This morning, I hopped on the bike and went treasure hunting. What did I find? Three sections of cement pipe that had been split in two. I’m going to use them at the start of an overflow spillway between my front and back yards. The spillway will feed into a water harvesting basin in the front yard.

 
 
Comment by measton
2011-08-29 08:47:01

I think I saw another article today showing that wages and hours worked declined.

 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 09:06:13

Meanwhile across the pond…

UK Guardian - Household finances squeezed by food and travel costs as inflation continues to rise

“The soaring cost of food and transport left households £11 a week worse off last month than they were a year ago, according to a survey that reveals the erosion of family spending power. The average UK household had £166 a week of discretionary income to spend in July, according to the Asda Income Tracker –6.4% lower than at the same time last year.”

How’s that deflation working out for you now, limey wankers?

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:30:14

Gas, food and used car prices…

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 09:51:11

Sounds like back-to-school spending. Gotta get the latest iCrap for the precious little ones.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-08-29 12:58:09

That’s what I was thinking. And probably pulled forward too.

Let’s see how September looks. Wait, spending through the fall will probably be up due to Christmas shopping pulled forward. Let’s see how January/February look.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-29 07:23:39

I just LUV public unions…

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Postal Service paying fewer workers to do nothing
Washington Post ^ | August 29, 2011 | Ed O’Keefe

The U.S. Postal Service, expecting $7 billion in losses this year amid slumping mail volume, is still paying thousands of its workers millions of dollars each year to do nothing.

But it’s paying tens of millions of dollars less for “standby time” than it did just two years ago, according to a new report.

Long-standing labor agreements with two major postal unions prohibit the Postal Service from laying off or reassigning workers because of broken equipment or periods of low mail volume. Instead, idled employees show up for work, sit in a break room or cafeteria and do nothing.

Standby time totaled 170,666 hours in the first six months of 2011, costing the Postal Service $4.3 million, according to an audit by the Postal Service inspector general’s office. In 2009, 1.2 million hours were billed at a cost of $30.9 million.

“At a time when the Postal Service is challenged to operate more efficiently, monitoring standby time is critical to ensuring their ability to effectively manage the workforce,” the report said.

Members of the American Postal Workers Union and the National Association of Letter Carriers have been eligible for standby time payments and rarely used the option until 2009, when mail volume began to plummet and the Postal Service started to consolidate processing plants in the Northeast and the Midwest.

Audits of operations in Dallas and Detroit found that many workers incorrectly billed the Postal Service amid lax oversight of such payments.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-29 08:34:51

I’ve watched the local letter carrier stuff our multi-unit mailbox at the end of the street. The guy really hustles. I wouldn’t want that job, I’d misdeliver so many letters that it wouldn’t be funny.

Comment by polly
2011-08-29 08:48:42

I delivered newspapers to the student mailboxes in college for a quarter. The boxes that got papers were identified with little dots so it was much easier than actually delivering the right mail to the right box. It was still nasty. I had to pick up the papers early. It was cold (January in NH often is). They were heavy. My hands could get swollen from carrying the bales by their strings. It was boring. I got ink all over my hands and sometimes my face and clothes if I touched anything by accident.

The only good things about that job was that I was finished before 10AM every morning and it was inside most of the time. Mail delivery people don’t even get those advantages.

 
 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 09:11:42

Remember kidz, it’s the ‘union goons’ that are destroying Amerikwa. Meanwhile, Lloyd Blankfein and the boyz are doing ‘God’s work.’

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 13:03:14

“You Lie!” ;-)

Stay focu$ed America:

“Linda-the-Lunch-Lady-Lives-Lavi$ly!

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-29 07:26:05

School superintendent gives up $800k in pay

By TRACIE CONE - Associated Press
AP – 2 hrs 14 mins ago..

FRESNO, Calif. (AP) — Some people give back to their community. Then there’s Fresno County School Superintendent Larry Powell, who’s really giving back. As in $800,000 — what would have been his compensation for the next three years.

Until his term expires in 2015, Powell will run 325 schools and 35 school districts with 195,000 students, all for less than a starting California teacher earns.

“How much do we need to keep accumulating?” asks Powell, 63. “There’s no reason for me to keep stockpiling money.”

Powell will still earn a six-figure retirement, especially hefty by the standards of California’s farming heartland. But because his salary comes out of the district’s discretionary budget, for the next three years he’ll be able to steer the money he is giving up where he wants: to programs for kindergarten and preschool, the arts and a pet project that steers B and C students into college by teaching them how to take notes and develop strategy skills.

“Our goal has never been to have things,” Powell said of himself and his wife, Dot. “We want to give back.”

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Comment by Steve J
2011-08-29 08:42:30

Six figure retirement???

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-29 08:48:17

“Six figure retirement???”

“How much do we need to keep accumulating?” asks Powell, 63. “There’s no reason for me to keep stockpiling money.”

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-29 09:09:51

The guy manages 325 schools. He makes FAR FAR less than a CEO managing the same budget and # of people. This guy deserves what he makes far more than the corporate looters. What’s more he is giving back almost all his income for 3 years and working for almost nothing.

“You guys never seem to question CEO”s that make 10’s of millions of dollars, and create their own compensation committees, and loby for tax breaks that have them paying lower effective tax rates than the middle class, but somehow it’s a crime to have a six figure retirement after rising to a high managerial position and giving a life time of service educating children.

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 09:20:26

But the CEO Master-Of-The-Universe is a Producer, a jobs-creator (in China), riding the tides of the Invisible Hand of the Free Market.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 09:25:25

He makes FAR FAR less than a CEO managing the same budget and # of people.

Not to mention his 25+ years in “Sameville,” CA verses the MegaCEO Inc’$ compensated parking spot name painted somewhere around America, what every 3-6 years?

A new contract, a new city, new team-mates, a new fan base…start $elling them thar MLB logo jersey’s! $teroid Sam (everywhere in America) ;-)

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Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:31:44

“The guy manages 325 schools. He makes FAR FAR less than a CEO managing the same budget and # of people. ”

Indicating that Wall Street managers make too much, not that this guy doesn’t make enough…

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-29 09:34:16

“You guys never seem to question CEO”s that make 10’s of millions of dollars, and create their own compensation committees, and loby for tax breaks that have them paying lower effective tax rates than the middle class,”

I question all of it but it doesn`t seem like anyone in power cares about any of it. Do two wrongs make a right? Because CEOs are crooked and lobbying for tax breaks it`s OK for a County School Superintendent of a broke county in a broke state with a salary that is “especially hefty by the standards of California’s farming heartland” to say “How much do we need to keep accumulating?” “There’s no reason for me to keep stockpiling money.”

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-29 11:07:40

I think the point is that the “CEO goons” are far more harmful to the country than the “union goons” yet righties defend them tooth and nail.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2011-08-29 11:29:04

I don’t understand, Jeff. You don’t like it that he says, “How much do we need to keep accumulating?” Why is that?

 
Comment by Pete
2011-08-29 16:39:16

“I don’t understand, Jeff. You don’t like it that he says, “How much do we need to keep accumulating?” Why is that?”

I think he was implying that the guy’s retirement salary w/o pension is pretty high. It’s a good amount, but I second your question.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-30 04:45:52

“I don’t understand, Jeff. You don’t like it that he says, “How much do we need to keep accumulating?” Why is that?”

These people are also looking at a six-figure retirement. How much do they need to keep accumulating from a county that based their salaries and benefit packages on property values and taxes that were pure fantasy. I have seen some left leaning people here post houses for sale and say “and look at those property taxes”. Where do you think the money comes from to pay for all of these salaries and benefit packages? I have also read “If you have to pay for some of it, it isn`t a benefit” If someone paid 1/4 of my health insurance (If I had it anymore) or matched 1/4 of money I put into a retirement fund I would consider it a HUGE benefit.

Martin County local governments add to list of those making $100,000 or more
January 16th, 2011 by TCPalm.com

Top 5 earners in local government in Martin County in 2009-2010:

$165,723: Cliff Appe, fire rescue bureau chief (former)

$158,122: Michael Moon, airport director (former)

$153,660: Gene Rauth, town manager

$149,020: Dan Hudson, city manager

$147,416: Theresa Padgett, fire rescue battalion chief (former)

$100,000 earners in Martin

Martin County’s local governments

Total: 1,880 full-time local government employees, 172 earned $100,000 or more in 2009-2010

Martin County Board of County Commissioners: 850 full-time employees, 93 earned $100,000 or more

$165,723: Cliff Appe, fire rescue bureau chief (former)

$158,122: Michael Moon, airport director (former)

$147,416: Theresa Padgett, fire rescue battalion chief (former)

$141,719: Taryn Kryzda, county administrator

$141,286: Scott Legg, fire rescue battalion chief

$141,028: James Worley, fire rescue battalion chief

$139,225: John Polley, utilities director

$138,792: Christopher Stabile, fire rescue lieutenant

$138,086: Joseph Beert, fire rescue lieutenant

$137,767: Wade Mallard, fire rescue battalion chief

$137,764: Kevin Kryzda, chief information officer

$136,839: Marc Ducote, fire rescue lieutenant

$136,601: Lowell Nance, fire rescue battalion chief

$135,649: Joseph Ferrara, fire rescue chief

$134,990: Horace Wiggins, fire rescue battalion chief

$134,576: Don Donaldson, county engineer

$133,509: Randy Spiegelhalter, fire rescue lieutenant

$131,652: Matthew Himes, fire rescue lieutenant

$131,531: Nicki van Vonno, growth management director

$128,641: David Zarker, fire rescue lieutenant

$127,282: Stephen Fry, county attorney

$126,982: Casey Hilton, fire rescue battalion chief

$126,643: Daniel Wouters, fire rescue division chief

$126,006: John Stipo, fire rescue lieutenant

$125,753: John Davidson, fire rescue lieutenant

$125,228: Larry Massing, building official

$125,054: Michael Lee, fire rescue lieutenant

$125,002: Karl Oneyear, fire rescue lieutenant

$124,460: Brian McGlothlin, fire rescue battalion chief

$124,404: Keith Colodny, fire rescue firefighter paramedic

$124,054: Ronald Walling, fire rescue lieutenant

$123,737: Robert Osterhoudt Jr., fire rescue lieutenant

$123,512: Jon Belding, fire rescue division chief

$123,430: Christopher Zambello, fire rescue lieutenant

$123,126: James Sorrells, fire rescue lieutenant

$122,915: William Topping, fire rescue lieutenant

$122,873: Matthew Fenex, fire rescue lieutenant

$122,840: Michael Stagmiller, fire rescue lieutenant

$122,761: David Graham, director of administration

$121,958: Gary Roderick, environmental quality manager

$121,499: Johnny Recca, fire rescue lieutenant

$121,451: Richard Wilde, fire rescue firefighter paramedic

$120,903: Krista Storey, senior assistant county attorney

$120,347: Dwight Caserta, fire rescue lieutenant

$120,085: Mark Bentz, fire rescue lieutenant

$119,795: John Richardson, fire rescue lieutenant

$119,584: Bryan Richardson, fire rescue lieutenant

$119,365: Charles Gordils, fire rescue lieutenant

$118,193: James Loffredo, fire rescue lieutenant

$117,517: Karen Warren, fire rescue lieutenant

$117,495: Roy Aufort, fire rescue lieutenant

$116,117: Thomas Shimanek, fire rescue lieutenant

$115,940: Rodney Robertson, fire rescue battalion chief

$115,778: Robert Udzinski, fire rescue firefighter paramedic

$115,704: Jonathon Cantiello, fire rescue lieutenant

$115,478: Kenneth Zottola, fire rescue lieutenant

$115,374: Wilfredo Rodriguez, fire rescue lieutenant

$115,116: Chrystal Haubert, fire rescue lieutenant

$114,939: David Acton, senior assistant county attorney

$114,926: Patrick Gallagher, fire rescue lieutenant

$113,894: Richard Demilt, fire rescue lieutenant

$113,469: Steven Czerwinski, fire rescue lieutenant

$113,206: Michael Harris, fire rescue lieutenant

$113,115: Chad Cianciulli, fire rescue lieutenant

$112,675: Kathleen Voneslinger, fire rescue firefighter paramedic

$112,335: Scott Button, fire rescue lieutenant

$112,087: James Ritchey, fire rescue lieutenant (former)

$110,853: Harry Ramsey, fire rescue lieutenant

$110,066: Brian Seymour, fire rescue lieutenant

$109,827: Stanley Hilton, fire rescue lieutenant (former)

$109,657: Richard Bellomy, fire rescue lieutenant

$108,749: Christian Montoya, fire rescue lieutenant

$108,067: Keith Holman, emergency management agency director

$107,877: Harry Bish, fire rescue lieutenant

$107,496: James Sherman, assistant county administrator (former)

$107,105: Martin Shell, fire rescue firefighter paramedic

$106,643: Bryce Currie, fire rescue firefighter paramedic

$106,346: Terry Rauth, deputy county engineer

$105,984: Robert McLendon, fire rescue firefighter paramedic

$105,809: Scott Schlawiedt, fire rescue lieutenant

$104,441: Richard Hunter, fire rescue firefighter paramedic

$104,342: Todd Tucker, fire rescue lieutenant

$103,627: Ted Robbins, technical services administrator

$103,493: Mark Marzucca, fire rescue lieutenant

$103,405: Paul Davidson, fire mechanic

$103,079: Harold Markey, general services director

$102,448: Denise Eldredge, project and services manager

$102,422: Jerry Rothgeb, fire rescue firefighter emergency medical technician

$102,242: John Blackard, fire rescue firefighter paramedic

$101,836: Paul Jones, fire rescue lieutenant

$101,088: William Greene, fire rescue firefighter paramedic

$100,581: Scott Webber, project engineer

$100,507: Sarah Woods, senior assistant county attorney

Martin County Sheriff’s Office: 509 full-time employees, 33 earned $100,000 or more

$136,440: Beverly Brame, captain (former)

$132,953: Thomas Bruton, sergeant (former)

$129,636: Robert Crowder, sheriff *

$127,819: David Sansone, deputy

$125,613: Marvin Mann, undersheriff

$122,412: Betty Duncan, deputy

$119,957: Janice Heitzman, controller

$118,387: Steven Chase, major

$117,653: John Pietruszewski, major

$116,057: Robert Seaman, major

$115,937: Robert Pryor, major

$113,886: Angelo Minella, deputy

$113,500: Christopher Conrad, detective

$108,570: James Warren, sergeant

$108,302: Monica Jensen, detective (former)

$107,903: David Findora, deputy

$106,045: Lloyd Jones, captain

$105,420: Casey Szparga, captain

$105,275: Mike McKinley, captain

$105,015: Dale Howard, sergeant

$104,915: John Wardle, captain

$104,770: Jeffrey Townsend, captain

$104,385: Edwin Kirkpatrick, captain

$104,205: Mark Neild, sergeant

$103,563: Bernard Hodapp, sergeant

$102,658: Patricia Oslager, captain

$102,524: Kevin Gannon, sergeant

$102,034: Robert Wilke, sergeant

$101,663: Rodney Vizzo, sergeant

$100,824: Anthony Stracuzzi, deputy

$100,753: Bruce Pinkman, sergeant

$100,735: William Dowdy, lieutenant

$100,500: Karl Nelson, sergeant

http://www.tcoasttalk.com/2011/01/16/martin-county-local-governments-add-to-list-of-those-making-100000-or-more/ - 63k -

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-29 13:33:45

And he is doing what many union teachers do every year - paying out of pocket for things they need to buy to educate other people’s children. I don’t get ragging on teacher pay.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 07:30:50

‘Land Bank’ Knocks Out Some Foreclosure Problems
by Mhari Saito
Morning Edition

LaMont Rump of Fez Enterprises guides an excavator during the demolition of a house in Cleveland.
August 29, 2011 from WCPN

Cities have been tearing down crumbling, vacant houses for decades. The money for municipal demolition bills usually comes out of city budgets, but in Cleveland the housing crisis has started to change that equation.

Bill Beavers has lived on Cleveland’s Dove Street since 1967. But on a recent sunny morning, Beavers is sitting on a neighbor’s front porch, watching something he has never seen on his block before.

Across the street, a huge excavator is tearing through the front facade of a two-story wooden house. The top half of the house, windows and exterior wall fold as easily as cut weeds and tumble to the ground.

“Oh, it’s good to see them tear these old structures down because nobody wants to move in them,” Beavers says. “It costs too much to fix them up, you know?”

The house went into foreclosure two years ago, and when the family moved out, vandals stole the circuit panel and pipes. Other houses on the block are nicely kept up, but the street is in the 44105 zip code — which in 2007 had the dubious distinction of garnering the highest foreclosure rate in the nation.

Saturated with foreclosures, the lender that took back the house couldn’t unload it for even $5,000.

“A property like that, on a street that’s otherwise relatively stable but [in a] depressed market, probably needs to come down because it has way too much need on the inside,” says Gus Frangos, head of the Cuyahoga County Land Bank, which oversees these demolitions. “If you take these pockmarks out, all of a sudden you stabilize the street a little bit.”

Let’s Make A Deal

When the land bank started two years ago, Frangos thought the group would have to pay its demolition bill from its own budget. But then the economy worsened and the foreclosures piled up. Lenders stuck with crumbling houses found themselves on the hook in the Cleveland Housing Court for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of code violations.

The Cuyahoga County Land Bank, a quasi-government corporation, offered lenders a deal: We’ll take your worst houses, if you pay to knock them down. This year, Fannie Mae and some of the country’s biggest lenders — including Bank of America, Citibank and Wells Fargo — will help pay for half of the land bank’s 700 scheduled demolitions.

Lenders pay $3,500 to $7,500 per house. Wells Fargo’s Russ Cross says it’s a sensible and responsible business plan.

“We want to make loans on an ongoing basis, and to do so, we need stable to rising home values,” he says. “We’ve got to do whatever we can to protect home values in neighborhoods.”

Some lenders are looking at starting similar programs in Detroit, Chicago and Milwaukee. Fannie Mae’s P.J. McCarthy says the government-controlled mortgage giant has been donating properties and demolition funds to the Cuyahoga County Land Bank since 2009 because keeping the houses just doesn’t make sense.
A newly erected community garden in the Cleveland suburb of South Euclid grows where there was once a dilapidated, foreclosed house.
Enlarge Mhari Saito for NPR

A newly erected community garden in the Cleveland suburb of South Euclid grows where there was once a dilapidated, foreclosed house.

‘Not A Cure-All’

“They are not going to sell on the market for much more than a few thousand dollars, and our costs in marketing those properties and preserving them generally exceed the costs,” he says. “So the economics of the transaction make sense as well as the intent of the land bank to reduce supply and stabilize the neighborhood.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-29 07:38:18

Barack Obama’s uncle has been arrested and held as illegal immigrant
James Bone and Catherine Philp
From: The Australian.com

BARACK Obama’s long-lost “Uncle Omar” has been arrested for alleged drink-driving outside Boston and detained as an illegal immigrant, The Times can reveal.

The arrest ends a mystery over the fate of a relative that the US President wrote in his memoir had moved to America from Kenya in the 1960s, although the circumstances of his discovery may now prove to be an embarrassment for the White House.

Official records say Onyango Obama, 67, was picked up outside the Chicken Bone Saloon in Framingham, Massachusetts, at 7.10pm on August 24. Police say he nearly crashed his Mitsubishi 4×4 into a patrol car, and then insisted that the officer should have given way to him. A report filed with the Framingham District Court said that a breathalyser at the police station registered his blood alcohol at 0.14mg/100ml of blood, above the state limit of 0.08mg.

According to a local newspaper, Mr Obama was charged with driving under the influence and driving to endanger, as well as failing to use a turn signal. He was detained as an illegal immigrant because the US Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement has an outstanding warrant for him because he was previously ordered to be deported to Kenya.

The Times has established from his birthdate that Mr Obama is the Uncle Omar mentioned in President Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father. In the 1995 book, President Obama writes of “the uncle who had left for America 25 years ago and had never come back”.

In 2008, The Times mounted a search for Uncle Omar. Instead of finding him, we discovered his sister, President Obama’s Auntie Zeituni, who was living as an illegal immigrant on a Boston housing estate. Uncle Omar and Auntie Zeituni are the children of President Obama’s grandfather Hussein Onyango Obama, by his third wife Sarah, the woman President Obama calls “Granny”, because she raised his father, Barack Sr, who was Hussein Obama’s son by Hussein’s second wife, Akumu.

The 2008 investigation unearthed public records naming an O. Onyango Obama, born on June 3, 1944, living at a house in the Boston suburbs, where he was known as Obama Onyango. Framingham police records list the man arrested last week as Onyango Obama, with the same birth date, June 3, 1944.

According to local reports, Officer Val Krishtal and another driver had to slam on their brakes to avoid hitting Mr Obama’s car, which rolled through a stop sign and took a quick left turn. Mr Obama allegedly told the officer he had right of way and said he doubted the officer was forced to brake hard as he did not hear his brakes squeal.

Mr Obama pleaded not guilty at his remand hearing, but was held in custody because of the immigration warrant. He now faces a legal battle. His sister Zeituni eventually won the right to live in America despite an earlier deportation order. Margaret Wong, the Cleveland lawyer who successfully represented Zeituni, confirmed through a representative last night that she has also been retained to defend Mr Obama.

“Before he went to America, we all knew him as Omar. But he dropped that bit, changing it to Obama Onyango, because he said he preferred his African name,” said Nelson Ochieng, a cousin in the Kenyan city of Kisumu.

Mr Obama’s landlady in Boston went to court to evict him in 2000 for non-payment of his dollars 500-a-month rent. He was also a partner in a convenience store that was set up in 1992, and was attacked in a robbery at the shop in 1994 by two men armed with a sawn-off rifle.

Comment by 2banana
2011-08-29 07:49:00

drink-driving???

Comment by Steve W
2011-08-29 07:56:13

The brit/aussie way of saying drunk driving

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-29 08:32:07

Be sure to have a designated drinker because friends don`t let friends drink-drive.

I used to be a member of DAMM, Drunks Against Mad Mothers.

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 07:51:59

Sounds like an excerpt from a modern version of “Tale of Two Cities”. The guillotines are a little late this time…

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-08-29 08:12:38

“Official records say Onyango Obama, 67, was picked up outside the Chicken Bone Saloon in Framingham, Massachusetts, at 7.10pm on August 24.”

I`ve heard the Chicken Bone has quite the Happy Hour. 2 for 1 and great wings. Although I do feel for Uncle Omar, I remember that roadside test from many years ago. Walk a staight line. Stand on one leg close your eyes, tilt your head back, put your arms out and touch your nose. Say the alphabet backwards. Do calculus. Alright, you got me.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-29 08:56:16

Obama gets his Billy.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 09:17:01

x3 cheers for beer! (Hwy, reminder to get roasted peanuts at Trader Joe’s) :-)

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 09:11:26

Looks like Barack has a Roger Clinton/Billy Carter problem.

Comment by CrackerBob
2011-08-29 09:59:39

So only Democrats have the drunk sibling problem. What about W, oh, he was the drunk sibling?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 11:01:26

He had Neil.

And, while George W was president, Neil was caught soliciting, ahem, personal favors from a lady of the night. This happened outside the U.S., and Neil was involved in divorce proceedings at the time.

Then there was Nixon’s brother, Donald. That guy caused a lot of headaches too.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-29 11:33:03

And if you want to believe any of the stories out of Neil’s ex he was a far, far more frightening character than Billy Carter or Roger Clinton.

 
 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 11:19:37

The only reason this story was posted here is because it was linked from Drudge.

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Comment by CrackerJim
2011-08-29 14:04:22

And your point is…?

 
 
Comment by trainwreck
2011-08-29 14:02:16

He was the DRY drunk.

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Comment by wmbz
2011-08-29 08:34:20

Gotta love gubmint at work…

Tab on ramp for SF supervisors’ chamber adding up. $700,000.00
Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross, Chronicle Columnists

What costs more: a home in San Francisco’s Sunset District, or a wheelchair ramp in the Board of Supervisors’ chambers?

If you picked the house, you’re wrong.

By the time the final tab comes in, the cost of designing and installing a ramp to the president’s chair at the Board of Supervisors - a project now under way - is expected to top out at $699,413.

That is about $50,000 more than the median cost of a home in the Sunset.

Why so much for a 10-foot ramp?

First, it took two companies, at a total cost of $132,205, to come up with a design that passed architectural muster for a designated historic landmark. The cost in city staff time to oversee the planning hit $38,434. That’s $170,639.

Then came the job itself.

To install the ramp, the board’s majestic podium is being taken apart, raised five steps above the chamber’s floor, then put back together.

Costs include $25,200 for materials, $201,678 for labor and $49,000 for a set of historically accurate brass handrails. Outside historic experts to keep an eye on the work are getting $48,824.

Miscellaneous costs bring the construction job’s total to $477,000 and change.

Also, because the job could take 10 weeks, the supervisors have set aside $51,042 to pay for relocating board meetings.

Supervisor John Avalos - the lone “no” vote on the project when the board approved it in February- said the political math just doesn’t add up.

“This is a tremendous amount of money being spent on something in City Hall that rarely or may never even get used,” Avalos said.

“Meanwhile, there are so many other needs for handicapped access that are really needed that are going unfunded,” Avalos said.

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-29 09:02:43

Plant closing in Boone to cost 100-plus jobs
The Associated Press

BOONE, N.C. — An electronic parts manufacturer that has been a long-time employer the Boone for more than 50 years says it will relocate jobs to Mexico.

The Watauga Democrat reports that TT Electronics told workers it will close its Boone plant next year. The plant employs 143 workers.

Human resources vice president Michelle Coleman says the company is trying to compete with lower-cost producers. Coleman says a few administrative positions will remain in Watauga County.

Affected employees will be offered severance packages and job-transition counseling. Coleman says some workers may be transferred to TT Electronics plants in other U.S. locations.

The layoffs are expected to take place over the next 12 to 16 months.

The plant makes wire wound and metal film components.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-08-29 11:02:39

So … were these “union goons” or $8/hr “right to work” employees?

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 12:23:00

In Perry’s ‘Texas Miracle’ coming-soon-to-the-rest-of-Amerikwa, anyone making more than $300/week is a ‘goon’, the self-actualization of free market capitalism is Foxconn City.

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2011-08-29 09:17:30

The days of the Harmon Hotel tower in Las Vegas may be numbered — even before the hotel welcomes a single guest. Begun during the Las Vegas high-rise condo boom, the hotel tower — first proposed as a 49-story mixed-use condo and hotel project — is an empty, if flashy, shell that its owner, MGM Resorts International, seeks to demolish.

The building’s downfall has been blamed on massive construction defects and the market downturn. MGM and the building’s general contractor, Perini Building Co., are embroiled in litigation over the building’s problems — and the outcome may ultimately decide its fate.

When MGM put the planned condo units on the market in early 2008, buyers — mostly owner-occupants — put down 20 percent deposits on nearly half of the units

Perini accused MGM of “buyer’s remorse”

realestate.yahoo.com/promo/demolishing-a-vegas-hotel-before-its-grand-opening.html

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 09:21:36

The building’s downfall has been blamed on massive construction defects and the market downturn. MGM and the building’s general contractor, Perini Building Co., are embroiled in litigation over the building’s problems — and the outcome may ultimately decide its fate.

Methinks that construction defect lawyers are getting a lot of business right now.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-29 09:18:52

Contracts to buy homes fell 1.3 percent in July

WASHINGTON (AP) — The number of Americans who signed contracts to buy homes fell in July, further evidence that the depressed housing market remains a drag on the economy.

The National Association of Realtors said Monday that its index of sales agreements fell 1.3 percent in July to a reading of 89.7.

A reading of 100 is considered healthy by economists. The last time the index reached that level was in April 2010, the final month that buyers could qualify for a federal tax credit.

Contract signings are usually a reliable indicator of where the housing market is headed. There’s typically a one- to two-month lag between a sales contract and a completed deal.

But the Realtors group says a growing number of buyers have cancelled contracts after appraisals showed the homes were worth less than they bid. A sale isn’t final until a mortgage is closed.

Michael Gapen, director of U.S. economic research at Barclays Capital Research, said the high number of cancellations suggest “heightened uncertainty on the part of purchasers and tighter credit standards in mortgage finance.”

Home loans are harder to come by. Many lenders are requiring 20 percent down payments and strong FICO credit scores to qualify.

Signings are still roughly 18 percent above the June 2010 reading of 75.9, the lowest figure since the housing market went bust more than four years ago.

Even though pending home sales rose in two of the past three months, that hasn’t translated into increased sales.

The pace of sales for previously occupied homes is trailing last year’s 4.91 million sold, the fewest since 1997. In a healthy economy, people buy roughly 6 million homes each year.

Sales of new homes fell in July for third straight month. This year is shaping up to be the worst for sales of new homes on records dating back to 1963.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-08-29 12:19:30

The pace of sales for previously occupied homes is trailing last year’s 4.91 million sold, the fewest since 1997. In a healthy bubble economy, people buy roughly 6 million homes each year.

 
 
Comment by measton
2011-08-29 09:20:09

Central bankers gathered at an annual retreat in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, this weekend had a message for political leaders: monetary policy alone can’t keep the global expansion going.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke urged adoption of “good, proactive housing policies” to reverse the depressed U.S. real estate market and warned lawmakers to avoid steps that may hurt short-term growth. Ewald Nowotny of the European Central Bank Governing Council said euro-area governments should expand the powers of their regional bailout fund.

“Most of the economic policies that support robust economic growth in the long run are outside the province of the central bank,” Bernanke said at the annual conference of policy makers and economists, sponsored by the Kansas City Fed.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:43:26

What we need to fix housing is simple… More good, stable (long lasting) jobs with much higher wages, and perhaps health insurance.

We have become reliant on stable jobs (shoveling livestock dung for minimum wage) and their retail, fast food and other service sector equivilants.

Attempts to fix housing direclty will be as effective as changing shirts to fix the blood stains casue by a bullet wound.

Housing is the symptom. Lack of sufficient of well paying jobs is the gun shot wound. And, those jobs need to be from sustainable activity, not malinvestment like the housing bubble, debt bubble, DotCom bubble, junk bond bubble, etc.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 09:54:33

with much higher wage$,

Heard everywhere$ & anywhere$ in the current CSA, roughly south of the Mason-Dixon lines. ;-)

BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™)

Ho ho, hah hah, hehehehehehe, BwaHaHaAhHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb-thrower™)

In popular usage, especially since the Missouri Compromise of 1820 (apparently the first official use of the term “Mason’s and Dixon’s Line”), the Mason–Dixon Line symbolizes a cultural boundary between the Northeastern United States and the Southern United States

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 09:24:47

August 27, 2011
SAT Question of the Day

A dictatorship ——- its citizens to be docile and finds it expedient to make outcasts of those who do not ——- .

A. forces . . rebel
B. expects . . disobey
C. requires . . conform
D. allows . . withdraw
E. forbids . . agree

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-08-29 09:39:47

With the what now?

 
Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 09:56:58

December 6, 2001

Fascist quote of the day

“To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: your tactics only aid terrorists for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 12:26:26

From the same person:

A trustee has a responsibility to guard the assets of others with a higher degree of care than he does his own.

Politics disabuses a person of the notion that you can please everybody. It is an inescapable fact that people will always have different opinions, and some people are going to disagree. Sooner or later, a person constructs his or her own “platform” and stands on it, regardless of what others think, say, or do. It is also true that some people delight in another person’s demise.

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-08-29 09:35:50

The Captain of the Titanic asks for ideas.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-26/u-s-government-struggles-as-the-biggest-seller-of-homes.html

“They’re stuck,” said Petrou. “All sorts of people are demanding they do something. They don’t know what to do but they have to do something.”

How about this: give them away to those age 18 to 35. They’ll be inheriting the debt, so give them an asset to go with it.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:48:37

So they could immediatly cash-out refi the houses to pay for hookers and blow?

Young people do not need free houses. They need jobs.

The housing problem will not be fixed by some scheme to refi existing owners or some new way of guanateeing the debt. Enough jobs with sufficient wages is the only necessary and sufficinet mechanism needed to fix housing.

They want to fix housing, thinking that will create the jobs… WRONG. They first have to fix jobs, and that will fix housing.

 
Comment by rms
2011-08-29 12:11:58

“Karen Petrou, managing partner of Federal Financial Analytics Inc., said the unusual appeal is a sign the agencies recognize the backlog of distressed properties has grown so large that it can’t be sold off without inundating the market and depressing prices.”

I’d like to know what the “behind closed doors” estimates are for the number of upside-down mortgage holders they expect would fold given another leg down in home prices. Last week Bloomberg reported roughly 6.5-million homes were already in foreclosure or serious default (squatters).

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 13:09:21

But renting them out instead of tryng to sell them won’t help. Putting them on the market as rentals would drive down rents, increasing the incentive to walk from your mortgage if you can rent for way less.

In the end, the only solution to housing has to be more jobs with better wages.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-29 20:29:06

It won’t drive down rents if the same few megacorps own all the rentals. Prix fixe!

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Comment by wmbz
2011-08-29 09:39:27

Obama says will unveil jobs plan next week
WASHINGTON | Mon Aug 29, 2011

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama said Monday he would unveil proposals next week aimed at spurring job growth in part through infrastructure improvements.

Obama made the comment as he announced he had picked Princeton economist Alan Krueger as the new chief of the Council of Economic Advisers.

He said next week he would lay out a series of steps that the U.S. Congress can take immediately to put more money in the pockets of middle class families and put construction crews to work.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 09:53:29

End of free trade? Large tariffs on money leaving the country? Elimination of payroll taxes combined with a drastic steepening of the income tax scale?

 
Comment by oxide
2011-08-29 09:57:22

lay out a series of steps that the U.S. Congress can take

Why bother, Barack? You’ll just be filibustered anyway.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 10:06:45

So he can blame Republicans like they are blaming him.

Politics is a blame game, not an accomplishment game… Duh!

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-08-29 11:48:06

Stimulus Part II

$1.5 trillion in more waste

“Shovel Ready” hope and change…

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 12:40:30

Because the Invisible Hand is working so well now with the jobs-creator, corporations-are-people pigmen sitting on their trillions of idle cash.

At least the WPA created physical infrastructure that is still in use today.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 13:13:03

At least the WPA created physical infrastructure that is still in use today.

(Kinda odd, it’s in the “currently-being-redeveloped” downtown/old town, “bidne$$”/touri$t magnet section of the city. But hey, the computer surely knows: “the data is knot the territory!” right?)
Oldest O.C. post office on closure list:
By FRANK SHYONG / The Orange County Register

ORANGE – The Orange Plaza Station Post Office has stood for three-quarters of a century, a brick-and-mortar memento of an era when communication was ink, paper and people.

Dedicated in 1935 with $65,000 from the Works Progress Administration, the office at 308 W. Chapman Ave. has weathered the Great Depression, World War II and a 1938 flood.

But now Orange County’s oldest post office is on a list for possible closure along with 3,652 other locations around the nation selected by a computer that analyzes profitable metrics like customer transactions, overhead costs and geographic proximity to similar services.

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-08-29 10:16:36

I want lack of leadership I can believe in, dammit.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 11:12:53

lol

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 12:18:37

No worrie$, “TruePurity!™” Preacher Perry will baptize y’all with his “TrueEvangelistia!™” faith-ba$ed $olutions! :-)

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 13:14:40

Preacher Perry will baptise you with toxic groundwater contaminated by fracking, the Invisible Hand of the Free Market at work.

Comment by trainwreck
2011-08-29 16:42:23

OBEY…or you’ll burn in a lake of fire!!! Frack that!

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Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 10:24:44

Thinking the ecnomy grew DESPITE our growing public and private sector debt is like thinking the ugly chick got pretty DESPITE you getting drunk.

Thinking we can use ever increasing debt to run the economy is like thinking you can keep the ugly chick pretty by staying drunk by constantly increasing your alcohol intake as you build tolerance.

Trade imbalances make for an ugly economy… Sure, the debt feels good as profits roll in, money is everywhere, customers are freely spending… Even ugly chicks start looking hot.

But, it is no way to run an economy long-term.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-08-29 12:30:31

At least we’re consistent in our choice of the “staying drunk” option no matter how much tolerance we build up. What could go wrong, it’s worked so far?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-29 10:30:36

Searcy-based Yarnell’s Ice Cream files bankruptcy
The Associated Press

SEARCY, Ark. — Searcy-based Yarnell’s Ice Cream Company Inc. has filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy less than two months after shutting down its operations.

The filing Monday with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Eastern District of Arkansas in Little Rock lists $8 million in assets and $15.7 million in total liabilities.

The company said in a news release that it has received offers to purchase its assets - including property, the Yarnell’s name, recipes and inventory. The company said the offers prohibit further comment.

Yarnell’s ceased operations June 30 after nearly 80 years in business and laid off about 200 workers in Searcy and in Tennessee and Mississippi.

The company at the time cited a decline in ice cream sales and rising prices that it says has hit the industry hard.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 11:15:21

People worked and saved $7.7 million that just went poof back into the thin air from which it was borrowed into existance.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 12:12:44

after nearly 80 years in business and laid off about 200 workers in Searcy and in Tennessee and Mississippi.

(I heard a Korea Co. put in a failed low-bid for all of Blockbuster’s asset$. Maybe they ought to regroup. $7.50 per hour, 35 hr week, no Co. health-benefits, no 401K, terminate-without-xplaination, “TruePathtoPro$perity!™” red $tate “no-rights-at-work” template might be a consideration) ;-)

[There's those words again: "Everyone's financial distre$$..."]

Yarnell’s Ice Cream shuts down
By Louis Short/ Co-Editor / The Sun-Times Posted Jun 30, 2011

A letter was presented to employees, announcing the closure of the company. The contents of the letter is as follows:

“‘This has been an extremely tough year for the ice cream industry in general, and particularly to regional, independent manufacturers like ourselves,’ said Christina Yarnell, chief executive officer of Yarnell’s. ‘We have examined many possible avenues to keep the company afloat – actively marketing the company to investors and strategic buyers – the majority of whom are undergoing the same financial distress we are. However, we’ve been unable to obtain additional financing from our lenders or locate a buyer, and have come to the difficult decision that the appropriate course of action is to shut our doors.’

Comment by measton
2011-08-29 12:49:07

Yep
As with most industry we are moving to fewer and fewer providers.

Welcome to the end game of capitalism. Oligopoly and monopoly.

Comment by Left Ohio
2011-08-29 13:18:04

Corporations are people. Foxconn City is people.

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Comment by trainwreck
2011-08-29 16:45:15

You wheel OBEY like a good slave and slave fer da Lahhhd! Slave at that McJob!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-29 11:04:54

Real People Say “Screw You” To The Markets
The Market Ticker ® - Commentary on The Capital Markets
by Karl Denninger

Liquidity? None. This is the bid/offer stack in the S&P futures a few minutes into the trading day.

Nobody is talking about this. That’s 27 - twenty-seven contracts - on the bid at 1146.75. During the trading day. There’s less than a thousand up and down the stack through the entire visible portion.

This is a tiny fraction of normal liquidity and those sub-100 numbers are more-akin to what you expect in the middle of the night when everyone’s sleeping!

All that’s left is the computers. The humans have gone home. True liquidity and participation has ended. The people have given up. This is not an isolated incident - as I write this I’m seeing it literally minute-by-minute, and it’s been very common all month. A few minutes ago I saw seven contracts on the bid at the money. Seven - at 9:57 (ET) in the morning.

The fraud, the phony bids and offers and the high-frequency ripoffs have driven everyone away.

Go ahead politicians, tell us how important “Wall Street” is to the economy and to you. Let the thieves and liars continue to pollute the markets and screw everyone. Volatility is as high as it is precisely because people are tired of getting buttraped and after a few instances of it they simply say “screw this”, take their money and go home.

They don’t need the markets, the markets need them, and they’re gone.

With no depth in the market huge moves become commonplace and are essentially impossible to trade.

I’ve never seen the market this illiquid during the day as it has been the last few weeks. It’s ridiculously bad and getting worse. When you see two-digit bids and offers during the trading day in the stack you may as well be playing with a loaded six-shooter pointed at your own head - you can’t possibly trade ahead of these jackasses and they can and will steal your money,******your stops and then reverse the market right out from under you before you can react. All you do is churn your account and waste your capital.

Don’t even try to “invest” in this market folks, and if you decide to trade, realize that you’re playing in a rigged casino and the entire force of the government is not only behind rigging the casino but explicitly endorses and permits the rigging to go on and continue, despite being fully-aware of it.

Remember, “Wall Street is Main Street” to them - and if that means your retirement and investments get destroyed that’s just fine provided that big buildings in downtown Manhatten continue to be infested by the thieves guild that pumps tithes into campaign coffers.

Oh, if you think that liquidity was bad, you should have seen it on the release of the speech. There were double-digit bid and offers up and down the stack, and the collapse of about 1% you saw was a direct consequence of an illiquid market. So was the subsequent ramp job, roughly 2% in minutes. This chainsaw is more than happy to cut your arms and legs off with both sides of the bar.

Make sure you thank Congress and our wonderful “President”, all of whom are far more interested in making sure that the banksters simply rob you blind than anything else when it comes to the economy.

In fact, by their actions it’s clear that’s all they care about.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 11:53:45

The fraud, the phony bids and offers and the high-frequency ripoffs have driven everyone away.

Bugs: “eh, it ain’t nece$$arily so Doc…”

A river runs through it” …a movie ’bout knot trying. ;-)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-29 12:22:06

BECAUSE GOLDMAN SACHS NEEDS A HAND!
Congress Giving Millions of Foreclosed Homes To Wall Street Slumlords
by Ken Layne

Great news, everybody: After deliberately failing to help millions of American families stuck in vulture mortgages, the U.S. government is now giving those foreclosed homes to Wall Street for pennies on the dollar so that Wall Street can then rent the now-vacant foreclosures back to the same people pushed out during the Wall Street-caused housing bubble collapse. Wall Street stands to make an immense profit by becoming, overnight, the “largest improved real-estate owners in the world.” Who says capitalism doesn’t work, with a little help from the government by taking away the property of the working class and giving it to billionaires who pay no taxes? Who says that?

The Street/RealMoney.com reports on this innovative solution to the problem of millions of foreclosed homes currently not providing income for Goldman Sachs:

The largest transfer of wealth from the public to private sector is about to begin. The federal government will be bulk-selling the massive portfolio of foreclosed homes now owned by HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to private investors — vulture funds.

These homes, which are now the property of the U.S. government, the U.S. taxpayer, and U.S. citizens collectively, are going to be sold to private investor conglomerates at extraordinarily large discounts to real value. You and I will not be allowed to participate. These investors will come from the private-equity and hedge-fund community, Goldman Sachs and its derivatives, as well as foreign sovereign wealth funds that can bring a billion dollars or more to each transaction.

In the process, these investors will instantaneously become the largest improved real estate owners and landlords in the world. The U.S. taxpayer will get pennies on the dollar for these homes and then be allowed to rent them back at market rates.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 12:49:17

“The federal government will be bulk-selling the massive portfolio of foreclosed homes now owned by HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to private investors — vulture funds.”

Let me guess where the money came from: ZIRP loans from the Fed to Megabank, Inc, at below-market rates that are not available to Main Street American home buyers.

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 13:05:18

Not to mention the $0 down they will be offered.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 13:05:48

One wonders what the tenants will do once they find out who the owner of their rental really is. My prediction: The same sort of house-wrecking that we now see in foreclosed houses.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 13:28:37

Wonder what kind of robo-signing fraud they will have to use to process foreclosures…

Oh, you want to evict me? Prove you own the title while the MBS holders, the servicers, the originators, Frannie and previous owners are all filing lawsuits against each other and MERS.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 13:37:16

Oh, you want to evict me? Prove you own the title while the MBS holders, the servicers, the originators, Frannie and previous owners are all filing lawsuits against each other and MERS.

In central Tucson, I’m not seeing too many places where an actual eviction can take place. If the now-empty houses were bought as in-VEST-ments, the tenants are as long gone as the owners. And, if they were formerly owner-occupied, the owners have already walked.

Here in the Old Pueblo, there’s a whole lotta strategic defaultin’ going on.

 
 
 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 12:52:09

Clarification… The crash was not directly caused by Wall Street.

The crash was casused by the bubble. The bubble was casued by Wall Street. So, yes, Wall Street is the ultimate cause, but only because they enabled idiots to do really idiotic things.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-08-29 13:06:38

Sigh! So many people sitting by licking their chops thinking any day now my time will come…any day now the collapse will take things away from the “bad” and give to the “good” planners. But you keep forgetting these guys already have the power centers cornered and that these aren’t the type of people that give things up w/o a knock down, drag out fight.

The largest transfer of wealth from the public to private sector is about to begin. The federal government will be bulk-selling the massive portfolio of foreclosed homes now owned by HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to private investors — vulture funds.

These homes, which are now the property of the U.S. government, the U.S. taxpayer, and U.S. citizens collectively, are going to be sold to private investor conglomerates at extraordinarily large discounts to real value. You and I will not be allowed to participate.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 12:27:46

Reason numero uno: The list price exceeds the current market value of the home.

P.S. In what sense are foreclosure home sale prices “artificially low”? I have heard this stated again and again, with no explanation given to back up the claim.

The Eleven Reasons Americans Still Can’t Sell Their Homes
Posted: August 28, 2011 at 6:08 pm

The environment for home sales becomes more difficult with each passing month. Some estimates put 11.1 million mortgages, about 23% of the US total, underwater, meaning that homeowners owe their banks more than the underlying properties are worth. Home foreclosures reached 212,764 in July. The number for the year could rise above three million according to research firm RealtyTrac. Foreclosed homes are usually sold at a discount to market so that banks can rid themselves of inventory. These artificially low prices pull down the value of homes in adjacent neighborhoods.

The federal government let its tax benefit for homeowners expire in April 2010 and has not renewed it since then. The program did boost sales in 2009 and early last year. Shoppers must now face a market without the credit in which many home prices continue to fall.

The clamor over flawed foreclosure paperwork and robo-signers could further chill the housing market. People who might buy have bought a home in foreclosure will now worry about obtaining proper documentation and effective transfer of title.

24/7 Wall St. spoke with experts at real estate research firms, Zillow.com and RealtyTrac to find the best way to sell a home. We also interviewed management from the National Association of Realtors, a number of real estate brokers, banks managers and elected officials in affluent communities. What emerged from these conversations and our research is the following: successful home sellers often do the same small number of things correctly. Often, these tactics are often the difference between finding a buyer and not.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 13:03:45

“successful home sellers often do the same small number of things correctly.”

Sure. But are those things sufficient, or simply necessary.

Get a good broker
Set the sale price right (this is two of the 12 since they say to already have an appraisal in hand and have the price set below that, and also say to ensure you are using the right comps, including foreclosures),
Showing low energy bills (also counts as 2 suggestions with “green”),
Fixing it up (also counts as 2 of the 12, fix it up and curb appeal)

Great suggestions. But, is that sufficient? What if the property taxes, HOA and the commute simply make this house too expensive at $0.

I notice that no where in their suggeestions is any hint about “what you owe”. Nice!

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 14:01:39

“what you owe”

Buyers just don’t care. If there are two identical houses across the street from each other for sale, and house 1’s owner is asking an extra $100,000 to pay off his underwater loan, guess which home will sell first?

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 14:14:36

That was my point.

Some of the best advice I ever got when buying my first house was “Don’t fall in love with any house until after closing”.

The Realtwhores do all they can to make you fall in love with a house. Then you are stuck offering enough to get the sellers to go for the deal.

Don’t fall for it. If you really like a house, make an offer. If it is rejected, go look at a lot more houses until you find another you want to make an offer on.

I see that on that stupid “house hunters” show that my wife watches. Here are the 3 options, which do you love? The waaaayyyy overpriced move in ready? The smaller house on the main street with loud traffic? The one in your original price range, that has the cracked foundation and needs a new roof?

BS. None of the above!

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Comment by trainwreck
2011-08-29 16:57:49

“Howmuchamonth” syndrome.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 12:53:45

Bin Laden’s key deputy seen as very hard to replace for al Qaeda:
The death of al Qaeda’s No. 2, Atiyah Abdul Rahman in Pakistan, is a hammer blow to the terrorist organization.
By CNN Terrorism Analyst Paul Cruickshank

Rahman appears to have been killed by a drone strike in the tribal areas of Pakistan, a fate he may have been expecting. According to reports, he sent a message to bin Laden a year before the latter’s death complaining of the danger to the organization’s operatives by the strikes.

The Libyan will be very hard to replace.

In recent months, Rahman had made several statements in response to the Arab Spring. Such messages have been very different in tone to previous al Qaeda statements, Benotman said.

“They are much less judgmental in tone - he realized that aggressive messages were putting people off,” Benotman told CNN. “Along with Zawahiri, he appears to recently have deliberately downplayed the group’s hardline takfiri ideology for tactical purposes.”

lil’ Opie (non-Hawaiian) Kenyan-Muslim Destroyer of America! ;-)

Nobel monie$
Bin Laden
NATO
Qaddafi
Rahman
NeXt:

$hrub speak: “heheheeheeeheee”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 13:28:53

CNN breaking news:
Gadhafi family members in Algeria, ambassador says:

(CNN) — The wife of fugitive Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi, three of his children and some of his grandchildren arrived in Algeria on Monday morning, Algerian diplomats said

Mourad Benmehidi, the Algerian ambassador to the United Nations, said he relayed the news to Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon earlier Monday. Benmehidi said his country granted entrance to Gadhafi’s wife, Safia, his daughter, Aisha, sons Hannibal and Mohamed and their children on “humanitarian grounds.”

[Guess Algeria Secretary-General didn't read this story]: :-/

Luxury, horror lurk in Gadhafi family compound

By Dan Rivers, CNN Correspondent / August 29, 2011

Even though the burns were inflicted three months ago, she was clearly still in considerable pain. But she told us her story calmly.

She’d been the nanny to Hannibal’s little son and daughter.

The 30-year-old came to Libya from her native Ethiopia a year ago. At first things seemed OK, but then six months into her employment she said she was burned by Aline.

Three months later the same thing happened again, this time much more seriously.

In soft tones, she explained how Aline lost her temper when her daughter wouldn’t stop crying and Mullah refused to beat the child.

“She took me to a bathroom. She tied my hands behind my back, and tied my feet. She taped my mouth, and she started pouring the boiling water on my head like this,” she said, imitating the vessel of scalding hot water being poured over her head.

She peeled back the garment draped carefully over her body. Her chest, torso and legs are all mottled with scars — some old, some still red, raw and weeping. As she spoke, clear liquid oozed from one nasty open wound on her head.

Mullah was forced to watch as the dogs ate and she was left to go hungry, he said.

It seems to sum up how the workers at the beachside complex were viewed by the Gadhafi family.

At a seaside compound in western Tripoli, the Gadhafi boys enjoyed a decadent lifestyle that his people could only dream about, while perpetrating unspeakable horrors on the staff that served their every whim.

[Additionally]:

Hannibal Gadhafi is a headline maker. He has reportedly paid millions of dollars for private parties featuring big-name entertainers including Beyonce, Mariah Carey and Usher. Several of the artists now say they have given the money back.

Rebels who picked through his seaside villa on Sunday also introduced CNN’s Dan Rivers to his family’s badly burned former nanny, who said she had been doused with boiling water by his wife, model Aline Skaf, when she refused to beat one of their crying toddlers.

The nanny, Shweyga Mullah, is covered with scars from the abuse, which was corroborated by another member of the household staff.

Hannibal was also accused of a string of violent incidents in Europe, including beating his staff and his wife. Charges were dropped in the case of his staff, and Skaf later said her broken nose was the result of an accident.

In a spectacular episode, Hannibal was stopped after driving his Ferrari 90 mph the wrong way on the Champs-Elysees in Paris. He invoked diplomatic immunity.

 
Comment by measton
2011-08-29 13:49:05

Syrian president Assad ??

That guy has to be checking his swiss accounts and travel documents right about now.

Qaddafi was offered a golden retirement plan and didn’t take it.

Unfortunately all of these countries face a demographic vs natural resource bomb that no gov will be able to fix. In a sense we all do but my guess is they are going to see the problem first.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 13:12:54

Today’s family hurricane update:

Still can’t get a hold of my parents in eastern PA. Been trying to phone since Saturday. Keep getting a “temporarily disconnected” message from Verizon.

Called the local police and spoke to a (very slammed) dispatcher yesterday. During the New York minute that we were connected, I told her about the Verizon message. She noted heavy power and phone outages in the area. So, I rang off.

I’ll keep trying to reach my folks.

Up in Vermont, the town where my aunt and one of my cousins live is heavily damaged by flooding. However, both my aunt and cousin (plus the cousin’s wife and son) live high in the hills.

Cousin’s a general contractor. Methinks he’s going to be very busy for a while.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-29 15:58:30

Ham radio. Call the local club.

Comment by drumminj
2011-08-29 16:20:40

Ham radio. Call the local club.

Taking a class next weekend and will be volunteering with my local CERT organization. Looking forward to being a link in the chain (moreso than my existing rescue commitments) when disaster strikes.

 
 
Comment by m2p
2011-08-29 16:06:06

Slim, my sister lives about an hour northwest of Philadelphia, PA. Her phone line went out early Saturday and was restored late yesterday. Just spoke to her a few minutes ago and all is well, wet but well.

 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 13:21:22

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44316173

“GOP to Target Regulations in Fall Push to Spur Hiring”

“We can’t make this country great again until we’ve turned the USA into a toxic ceaspool and lowered American wages to those of a 3rd world slum”, says House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va.

Oh.. wait… That was my truth translator version… What he actually said was:

“The House Republican agenda this fall will focus on repealing environmental and labor regulations that GOP lawmakers say are driving up the cost of doing business and discouraging employers from hiring new workers.”

“By pursuing a steady repeal of job-destroying regulations, we can help lift the cloud of uncertainty hanging over small and large employers alike, empowering them to hire more workers,” Cantor said in his memo.

Right… becasue the problem is environmental and labor regualtion, and not a lack of demand for goods and services caused by low wages and already maxxed out credit cards…

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-29 15:56:16

Just like outsourcing, any “savings” that are generated by reduction/elimination of regulations will be pocketed by the suits,and the serfs will bear the costs.

As usual.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-29 13:26:34

I spoke with a fellow in the cash-for-car-titles bidness today. Said it had been sort of slow over the summer, but picking up now. Says the closer it gets to Christmas it really picks up. I guess X-Mas shopping will always be priority one for most people.

I forgot to ask what the interest rate is on loans like that are, but I’m thinking as high as the law will allow.

Anyway he ends up with a good many cars to sell at the auctions.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 14:47:32

Around here, 60-80% is considered low for an auto title loan. 16% per month (200%) is more common.

 
 
Comment by measton
2011-08-29 13:45:00

The new economics advisor to Obama Alan Krueger

Krueger wrote a well reviewed book called “What Makes a Terrorist?” which examined the societal, economic and political conditions that breed terrorism and their psychological and economic consequences.

Well this may be a good sign. Terrosim and social decay is exactly what this nation will face if the middle class continues to be crushed by the elites.

Unfortunately they elite have gained so much power and wealth that I see this more as a Paul Volker appointment. The man will likely be sidelined and brought out periodicallly to make the case that we are fighting for new jobs for America.

I hope I’m proven wrong.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 13:57:03

Unfortunately they elite have gained so much power and wealth that I see this more as a Paul Volker appointment. The man will likely be sidelined and brought out periodicallly to make the case that we are fighting for new jobs for America.

I hope I’m proven wrong.

I think that the unemployment problem will soon become Job #1 for the boys and girls at the top of our government.

Why? Because if they’re not elected to office, they’re serving at the pleasure of those who are. In other words, they’re political appointees.

I think that both the elected and the appointed are realizing that they’d better start doing things that put people back to work or they’re going to be out of work too.

Trust me, these people don’t want to be job-hunting in this economy any more than we do.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-29 13:46:15

Busy this morning/afternoon, but just wanted to give a quick thanks to all those who commented and contributed to the discussion yesterday, re: “What to recommend to an 18 year old”.

It helps getting additional perspective on this, especially since many of you seemed to have been like I was…….not sure what you wanted to do, until you turned 20-21.

The area I’m moving to has 2-3 excellent community colleges, so I’ve been pushing the “Live @ home, go to JuCo two years” plan. She has resisted because “I’d have to move away from all my friends”, but she’s finding out that her friends don’t seem to have a problem moving away from her, so her outlook may change.

I’ve been telling her that nothing is as temporary as “High School friends”……..unless it’s “High School Soul mates”.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-08-29 13:58:16

The area I’m moving to has 2-3 excellent community colleges, so I’ve been pushing the “Live @ home, go to JuCo two years” plan. She has resisted because “I’d have to move away from all my friends”, but she’s finding out that her friends don’t seem to have a problem moving away from her, so her outlook may change.

I think she’ll enjoy the opportunity to meet people of all ages and from all walks of life. It’s easy to do that at JuCo. At universities, the student body isn’t as diverse.

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 14:06:56

I didn’t contribute over the weekend, but did put thought into it.

I’d say JC or military. Automotive repair for a trade. Doctor, nurse or other high-end medical for bran jobs. I was on the path to operate nuke plants when I joined the Navy, but got redeirected to computer operater/programmer when they found out I was color blind.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-08-29 13:50:00

Seattle Green Jobs Program Gets $20M, Creates 14 Posts
By Dan Springer August 29, 2011| FoxNews.com

A green jobs program in one of America’s greenest cities is being called a bust 16 months after a $20 million federal grant to weatherize homes in Seattle ended up putting just 14 people to work in mostly administrative jobs and upgrading only three homes in the area.

“The jobs are not there,” Todd Myers, who wrote the book “Eco Fads,” told Fox News. “So we’re training people for jobs that don’t exist.”

Seattle is not alone. The Department of Energy has allocated $508 million to 41 states for its Better Buildings Neighborhood Program and 600 jobs have been created or retained.

“While communities are advancing their programs at different rates, we are pleased with the progress,” the agency wrote in a recent statement.

One year into the three-year program, 9,000 homes have had energy audits and received some kind of upgrade. The goal is to weatherize 150,000 homes by 2013 and save consumers $65 million annually on energy bills.

Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn says it’s too early to declare the program a failure.

“We may have to adjust how we market it and the incentives we provide,” McGinn said. “Nobody has really cracked the green jobs code.”

Contractors who do the energy audits and home retrofits blame government for getting in the way. To be a participating business in Seattle, the contractor is required to pay workers $21 an hour with full benefits, including retirement pay. But according to several small business owners in the area, the prevailing wage for new workers who lay insulation is $12. per hour.

McGinn, however, insisted that allowing contractors to pay anything less than what the city has declared a ‘living wage’, amounts to a ‘race to the bottom’ for jobs.

“The workforce agreements that were negotiated with contractors at the table made sure that some benefits of this work is going to local workers, and we’re going to pay fair wages for it,” he said.

But Myers and others say the biggest problem with the program is government is trying to create a market that consumers don’t want. The average homeowner in the U.S. pays about $2,000 a year for energy.

The weatherization upgrades are aimed at saving 15 percent on energy consumption. If the retrofit costs $10,000 even with all the government incentives, it will take over 30 years to pay off through lower energy bills.

“The problem is the policies the politicians choose, whether green jobs or retrofits, are based on appearance,” Myers said. “They choose things that look good, rather than what’s best for the environment.”

Among the other cities having trouble fulfilling the green jobs promise are Toledo, Kansas City and Phoenix. So far, those cities have created a combined 72 jobs with $65 million in grants.

The difficulty is magnified on the federal level. President Obama once said he wanted to create 5 million green jobs over 10 years. The 2009 stimulus package included $5 billion toward that goal.

A chunk of that money went for weatherization programs, but according to a Department of Energy inspector general report one year later, “only two of the 10 highest-funded recipients completed more than 2 percent of planned units.”

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-08-29 14:51:12

$12 an hour. Even at 2 of those, full time, $48K a year. heck ,that is probably 1099 so they have to pay the full 15.7% SS/MC and no healthcare.

And we complain that too many households don’t pay any income tax.

I guess it is better than $7 an hour.

 
Comment by BlueStar
2011-08-29 15:27:13

Yeah looks pretty dumb unless oil (priced in Bernanke Bucks) goes to $150-$200 a barrel. It’s really sad to see this kind of waste of tax dollars. BUT even if it does take longer to to recover the costs of conservation efforts it still is 1000% more cost effective than dumping 2 trillion dollars into the Middle East and having Iran become the major player in the region. Wait till the tens of thousands of Vets with PTSD weigh down on the health system. On balance I would still like to see more green investments.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-08-29 15:35:44

“weatherization upgrades”

Seattle! Stupid choice for weatherization.

In one of the mildest climates in the US, in a part of the country with low utility rates, I pay about $1800 per year. No AC and the differential between winter and summer is about $80 per month. Weatherization will not buy me much improvement until rates skyrocket. If I didn’t spend anything on heat, I would save about $400 per year.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-08-29 17:47:43

Enough.

I’m ready for Mad Max. I’m going to get some leather gloves and cut cut the sleeves off my jacket and start welding random metal all over my car.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 17:53:46

Hey 1st try letin’ Preacher Perry the “TrueEvangelicalistia’s™” pray for non-Gov’t financial relief first. ;-)

“Yeah, that’s the ticket!” Joe Isuzu

BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™)

Budget politics clouds hurricane aid:

By JAKE SHERMAN & ANNA PALMER | 8/29/11

Hurricane Irene is forcing Washington to contemplate two unpalatable options for disaster aid: Add to the deficit or slash other programs to pay for it.

Battle lines are already being drawn as Republicans insist that disaster money should be offset, Democrats contend that emergency money shouldn’t be held up by partisan politics and other lawmakers move to protect their turf when it comes to potentially billions in federal disaster aid.

These spending principles are certain to run into political reality, as Irene could test the political viability of Repubican orthodoxy as lawmakers try to weigh the emotional reaction to American communities in need while trying to stay true to their conservative fiscal ideals.

On top of that, the two senators from Missouri are moving to protect their turf, insisting that tornado ravaged Joplin — which is still awaiting federal aid — shouldn’t be bumped down the disaster list because of the urgency of Irene.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-08-29 21:56:45

BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™) II

Missouri’s two U.S. senators released statements blasting the bureaucratic move.

“If FEMA can’t fulfill its promise to our state because we have other disasters, that’s unacceptable,” Republican Sen. Roy Blunt said in a statement.

BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™) III

As Texas Gov. Rick Perry was battling wildfires in his home state in May, he was appealing to Washington for disaster relief. After he was turned down by the Obama administration, Perry lashed out to reporters.

“We’re having to pick up 100% of the cost. Historically, the federal government picked up 75% of the cost of disasters like we have here, so there is no consistency with this administration,” Perry said.

BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™) IV

“I’ll work every day to try to make Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your life as I can,” Perry said.

Six years ago this week, residents along the U.S. Gulf Coast found out firsthand how Washington matters in a disaster.
:-)

Is deficit fever a political disaster in the making?
By Jim Acosta, CNN Political Correspondent / August 29, 2011

After last week’s earthquake near the nation’s capital, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Virginia, repeated his long-stated position that any disaster relief for shaken residents be matched with spending cuts in the federal budget.

“Those monies will be offset with appropriate savings or cost-cutting elsewhere in order to meet the priority of the federal government’s role in a situation like this,” Cantor said.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-30 10:10:52

New York City will get the money. Joplin will be thrown under the bus.

All the reason for Joplin’s existence are going away, either by relocation, or out of business because of tornado damage, or out of business because their customers are out of work/out of business.

There will be plenty of photo ops showing politicians “saving Joplin”, but, as noted, the money hasn’t shown up, and may never show up.

Too bad we can’t plan our natural disasters for years when the rest of the country gets off easy.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-08-30 10:13:51

I wonder how many Tea-publican “deficit hawks” live in Joplin?

They should be an example to the rest of us, and show us how they are all going to pull themselves out of the gutter, with no Federal aid.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-08-29 22:57:48

It’s bubble poppin’ time over in China…

China’s Central Bank Issues New Curbs on Lending
8/30/2011 12:03:05 AM

On Asia Today: The People’s Bank of China moves to further tighten credit, telling commercials banks to hold more money in central bank reserves, taking 900 billion yuan out of the system. WSJ’s Andy Browne and Tom Orlik discuss China’s latest bid to stifle inflation.

 
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