Greed Blinds People From The Truth
The Herald Tribune reports from Florida. “How do you end the condo death spiral? Hire an aggressive debt collector, renegotiate any payments going out the door and act diplomatically while you put in more hours than at your day job. ‘I gave up pretty much my life and my vacation,’ said Oded Neeman, who became president of the Village at Townpark Condominium Association last summer, a few months after buying a foreclosed unit there. Both he and Audrey Barrientos joined the board that August. Unlike him, Barrientos got sucked into the buying frenzy when the conversion was first announced in 2006.”
“‘Two of my girlfriends were in line waiting to buy at 11 o’clock at night,’ said Barrientos, who ended up paying a $5,000 deposit on a three-bedroom, two-bath unit priced at $256,900, for which she saw only a floor plan. Later, after the market fell apart, she averaged down by buying a second unit for $80,000.”
The Tampa Tribune. “From the outside, the two story house in a quiet Seffner subdivision looks like a good investment. The grass is tall, it needs to be painted, but it’s in foreclosure and the bank is willing to offer a discount to a buyer who will take it off their hands. But the inside is a different story. Someone, perhaps unhappy about losing the home, smashed holes in the walls, scribbled graffiti, piled trash in every room, and ripped out appliances.”
“The home was offered at auction early this month and someone put down a $4,200 down payment to purchase it, public records show. But no one came back with the balance. ‘It looks like someone took revenge,’ said Nick Davis, a real estate agent with Re-Max Premier Group. ‘Unfortunately, we’re seeing more of this. We’ve seen cement in the plumbing systems, the air conditioners ripped out from the outside, wiring being removed.’”
From TC Palm. “It was a development that had everything. Urged on by highway billboards, people flocked to this 8,200-acre community west of Interstate 95 from everywhere, including fast-paced, congested South Florida. Then the recession hit in 2007 and everything got turned upside down in Tradition.”
“With the recession, development stalled. Large swaths of land remain vacant. ‘The master plan that they had worked,’ Port St. Lucie Assistant City Manager Greg Oravec said. ‘They were going to make a ton of money. This was going to be the best thing ever. Everything was going to be sweet cream, but all of that fell apart.’”
“A total of 162 Martin County homes in some phase of foreclosure were purchased by third parties during the quarter at an average price of $147,832, or about 20 percent less than the average sales price of homes not in foreclosure, RealtyTrac said in its second-quarter foreclosure sales report. Of those sales, 73 were bank-owned repossessions (REOs), for which the average discount was 20 percent. The 128 pre-foreclosure sales, mostly short sales, had an average discount of 19 percent.”
“By contrast, the average discount for all foreclosure-related sales in Indian River County was 53 percent, the second-highest in the nation among metropolitan statistical areas with at least 100 foreclosure-related sales during the second quarter. Only Louisville, Ky., posted a higher foreclosure discount at 54 percent, said RealtyTrac.”
“W.D. ‘Chic’ Acosta, Seacoast National Bank’s executive VP for mortgage banking, said, ‘Indian River County was clearly the last of the three (Treasure Coast) counties where homeowners capitulated, but you’re seeing that process speed up now as part of the economic process we’re going through.’”
“Acosta said the average home price in Indian River County is higher, so struggling homeowners did not capitulate as quickly. ‘Martin and St. Lucie counties have been bouncing on the bottom, but maybe Indian River County is now finding that bottom,’ Acosta said. ‘Now they are finally capitulating, so there are bigger drops.’”
The News Press. “Concrete blocks, bulldozers and ’sale’ signs have become common sights at Catalina Isles this summer. More than 20 homes are under construction at the south Fort Myers community. Catalina Isles resident David Foster began looking at homes in the community in 2005. At the height of the market, though, residences were in the $500,000 range. He and wife Joy watched as the cost of homes slipped over time. ‘Prices kept going down and finally, it was affordable for us,’ he said.”
“In 2007, Foster and his wife purchased their three-bedroom, two-bath home for just under $283,000. Prices at the gated community range from $205,990 for homes with 1,827 square feet to 4,377 square feet for $377,990. Foster, a firefighter and real estate agent with Paradise Realty Network in Fort Myers, said D.R. Horton opened larger estate lots in the back of the community, which also helped spur sales. He has sold two homes at the community recently.”
“‘Instead of gambling on an abused foreclosure or short sale, clients prefer a brand-new house that’s competitively priced with a warranty,’ Foster said.”
“The activity at Catalina is a complete turnaround from a few years ago, and it’s a positive sign in a tough market. ‘For a while there, a lot of people moved out because they were upside down on their house,’ Foster said. ‘We’re getting a lot more neighbors now, so we’re happy.’”
“Now that Catalina’s almost sold out, D.R. Horton will be concentrating on sales at Banyan Bay, just down the road on Winkler Extension. Ryland Homes built about 25 homes there, and D.R. Horton is taking it over to develop the remainder of its approximately 80 lots.”
“As record numbers of foreclosures leave many with a need to find a place to live, apartment complexes are suddenly a hot commodity to buy or build here and around the nation. Still, no new complexes are under construction locally and they’re unlikely to be built here for the next couple years at least, experts say. Why?”
“The answer is simple, said Randy Mercer, a commercial real estate broker with CB Richard Ellis, Fort Myers-Naples: ‘You just don’t need to do it.’ It’s much faster and cheaper to take over an existing, partially completed condo project and turn it into rentals, he said.”
“The landscape of residential real estate has changed fundamentally in ways that will benefit apartment rentals for years to come, said Jack McCabe, a Deerfield Beach-based real estate consultant who tracks home markets on both coasts of Florida. Besides foreclosure refugees, he said, ‘You have a large group of people who want to rent by choice now who think the whole American dream of owning a home is a myth now.’”
The Miami Herald. “Seven years ago, while South Florida developers were still staging high-flying condo parties and speculators lined up to put down deposits on new units, housing analyst Jack McCabe saw dangerous signs and began to warn that a downturn was imminent.”
“Q: When did you know that the housing bubble was going to burst? A: April 2004. Q: Why do you think so many people missed the warning signs? A: Greed blinds people from the truth. No one with a vested interest in real estate wanted to see the gravy train end. Early in the decline, some developers and Realtors publicly blamed my analysis and predictions for causing the housing bust in South Florida.”
“Q: Has South Florida’s housing market hit the bottom yet? If not, when do you predict it will? A: The housing markets will not bottom out until foreclosures and short sales are less than 10 percent of total sales and inventory, and the unemployment rate is less than 6 percent. The earliest that will happen is the first quarter of 2013.”
“Q: You can have a conference call with any three living people. Who do you choose? A: If the call was today, I would pick Barack Obama, [U.S. Treasury Secretary] Tim Geithner, and [Federal Reserve Chairman] Ben Bernanke. Three brilliant men that are clueless as to how to end the housing depression and begin to repair the foundation of our economy.”
‘At the height of the market, though, residences were in the $500,000 range. He and wife Joy watched as the cost of homes slipped over time. ‘Prices kept going down and finally, it was affordable for us,’ he said.’
‘In 2007, Foster and his wife purchased their three-bedroom, two-bath home for just under $283,000.’
‘The activity at Catalina is a complete turnaround from a few years ago, and it’s a positive sign in a tough market. ‘For a while there, a lot of people moved out because they were upside down on their house,’ Foster said.’
Here’s the important thing: DR Horton undercut those earlier buyers by a large amount. It’s the way the world works, and I don’t blame them for lowering prices. But how come we don’t hear howls from the media? And why are they still building when there are plenty of houses? They will continue until the price is so low they can’t make money. And they will undercut anyone and everyone until that happens.
Like here, more “underwater” buyers on the way:
‘Now that Catalina’s almost sold out, D.R. Horton will be concentrating on sales at Banyan Bay. Ryland Homes built about 25 homes there, and D.R. Horton is taking it over to develop the remainder of its approximately 80 lots.’
“Here’s the important thing: DR Horton undercut those earlier buyers by a large amount. It’s the way the world works, and I don’t blame them for lowering prices.”
I seem to recall early on in the bust, I’m thinking 2006, I read a post on this blog about a builder’s representative dealing with a buyer who was nervous about this phenomenon, but wasn’t sure exactly what was going on. The buyer asked for, and got, assurances that the builder would never sell below “market”.
And that, my friends, is why education will never get any better in the USofA. A dumbed-down population that doesn’t understand how the world works (at least, the “bastards of the universe” world) is a gold mine.
“But how come we don’t hear howls from the media?”
See my post below. The “media” has become nothing more than outlets for corporate propaganda. Period. With a little entertainment thrown in to get the public to absorb the propaganda.
Sanitized for your protekshun.
“Here’s the important thing: DR Horton undercut those earlier buyers by a large amount. It’s the way the world works, and I don’t blame them for lowering prices. But how come we don’t hear howls from the media? And why are they still building when there are plenty of houses? They will continue until the price is so low they can’t make money. And they will undercut anyone and everyone until that happens.”
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And I’ve been repeating this simple fact here on the HBB and elsewhere on the net.
Get it through your heads folks. You cannot properly price a house until you know construction costs. REPEAT it. Memorize it.
” Foster, a firefighter and real estate agent with Paradise Realty Network in Fort Myers”
At first glance I thought it said…
Foster, a firefighter and real estate agent with
Parasite Realty Network in Fort Myers
“‘Two of my girlfriends were in line waiting to buy at 11 o’clock at night,’ said Barrientos, who ended up paying a $5,000 deposit on a three-bedroom, two-bath unit priced at $256,900, for which she saw only a floor plan.”
Now THAT is a shoeshine boy moment…
And then she bought another one after the crash. I suppose if they drop by 50% again she’ll buy a third.
Dollar cost averaging.
A.K.A. the “falling knife” theory
Hardest Hit mortgage modification program gets 1,140 Treasure Coast applications, 61 approved
By Nadia Vanderhoof
TCPalm
Posted August 25, 2011
The Florida Hardest Hit Fund was created to assist those struggling to pay their mortgage because of a financial hardship, but Treasure Coast real estate experts say numbers show the program isn’t doing enough to keep homeowners from foreclosure.
About 1,140 homeowners on the Treasure Coast and in Okeechobee County have applied for the program designed to aid families in states hit hard by the economic and housing market downturn.
But of those, just 61 local applications have been approved. Treasure Coast homeowners received only $49,207 so far out of the $1.098 million that was allocated to them collectively out of the program’s budget.
Statewide, 24,624 homeowners have submitted applications for program. Of that number, 5,559 were ineligible.
Green said the state has five years to spend the $1 billion allocated to Florida homeowners. So far, about $36.8 million has been used from that budget. Green said all the money must be spent by 2017.
“The Martin County (application) numbers speak volumes for the effectiveness of the program. The eligibility requirements for the program, the requirements of the homeowner and current mortgage are almost insurmountable and definitely disappointing,” said Linda Prange, president of the Realtors Association of Martin County. “It’s an attempt that falls incredibly short of serving any useful purpose for the many who need help. In reality, (the) Florida Hardest Hit Fund isn’t even a good Band-Aid.”
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2011/aug/25/hardest-hit-mortgage-modification-program-gets/?partner=RSS - 111k -
“Early in the decline, some developers and Realtors publicly blamed my analysis and predictions for causing the housing bust in South Florida.”
Can you imagine? And yet this sort of thing was fairly common here in Florida. Just as the bust was beginning, a writer for the local fishwrap dared to question, in print, the wisdom of a builder/developer that wanted to build on some rather environmentally sensitive land. Well, he got his ears pinned back good, the next article he wrote was basically a grovelling apology to the builder, all about how he respected private property rights, and didn’t mean to offend, blah, blah. It was painful to read.
So, Ben, there’s the answer to your question about where is the media. Some local writer for a weekly fishwrap dares to question the status quo out of concern for the community and apparently he and his employer are threatened with all sorts of legal mayhem and what have you. Kind of like that realtor who tried to stand up to Lennar and got crushed.
“Early in the decline, some developers and Realtors publicly blamed my analysis and predictions for causing the housing bust in South Florida.”
Had nothing to do with the median house price being 10X the median income? Everything was just fine until Jack came along and started doing some of that “math crap”, throwing a terd right into the punchbowl.
Are these people stupid, or are they just playing stupid on TV?
They always write BS to prop a bubble.
I remember an analyst (Shiller, I think) trying to tell the CNBC hosts to get out of bank stocks, and being laughed of the set. This was in early 2008.
There was also another analyst new to TV punditry (forgot the name, it’s on YouTube,) who dared to joke, in a serious way, that Cramer and the anchors were formerly of the Goldman Sachs PR Department. The analyst also said he was “keeping things simple out of deference to Mr. Cramer.” The anchor cut him off, said on air that “He’ll never be coming back,” and went to commercial. If I had serious money that needed managing, I’d find that analyst and hire him in a minute.
I’ll trust PBS and the news sections at Bloomberg, but everyone else, ferget it.
I love how a developer bulldozed some acres of slash pine west of I-95, constructed a subdivision of particleboard McHouses, and then named the whole deracinated thing “Tradition.” There’s no tradition there. You might as well call a beating a massage.
We live in a time when language has lost its meaning. Even a judgmental word like “decadent” long ago was repurposed and used to sell chocolate cake.
The late great radio talker Jean Shepherd once suggested that by reading the names of subdivisions (”Fox Run”, “Maple Lanes”, “Hawk’s Nest”) you could learn what -used- to be there, before the surveyors showed up.
“Tune up” is the proper term for a beating.
Since we’ve been discussing Australia lately, I’ll go with the Aussie euphemism for it: being “sorted out.”
From the original post:
Q: You can have a conference call with any three living people. Who do you choose?
A: If the call was today, I would pick Barack Obama, [U.S. Treasury Secretary] Tim Geithner, and [Federal Reserve Chairman] Ben Bernanke. Three brilliant men that are clueless as to how to end the housing depression and begin to repair the foundation of our economy.
To which I say:
People, this is the same Jack McCabe who has occasionally written guest posts for this blog. Do a search and read them. They’re worth your time.
I like Jack’s posts, but if you look to his early predictions you’ll see that even he didn’t have a clue how far reaching this collapse would be.
…Barack Obama, [U.S. Treasury Secretary] Tim Geithner, and [Federal Reserve Chairman] Ben Bernanke. Three brilliant men…
Sorry, but I have to question the “brilliant men” portion of this statement…….they may all be “book smart” but I find their lack of common sense alarming…….
The book smartness of late 1940s/early 1950s Washington insiders, combined with their lack of common sense, greatly irked Harry Truman. The book Truman (by David McCullogh) spends some time on this point.
Even intelligent people can miss the obvious when they are personally invested in not seeing it. I see Bernanke, for instance, as someone doing the best he can within the confines of his economic ideology. Asking him to take a different course would be like asking a cat to fetch.
Careful with the analogy, snake charmer. Someone’ll post video of their cat playing fetch.
Not my cat, but a cat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhNd2ErqHo4
Jack McCabe wasn’t just a writer for a local fishwrap. He was one of the guys leading the charge, like Rich and Ben. I’d say he was even more vociferous in his raising the bubble alarm. He also never backed down. He faded from prominence in the bubble sphere in or around 07 but I always liked what he had to say. A straight shooter to be sure.
Yep. Ben never ceases to reference Jack, for good reason.
“It’s much faster and cheaper to take over an existing, partially completed condo project and turn it into rentals, he said.”
‘Condo conversion’ means something different today than it did in 2006.
They coined a new term: repartments.
I thought that term meant it started as apartments, was condo-ized, and converted back to apartments…
So an partially-finished condo development that was built ne wspecifically to be condos wouldn’t qualify…
“No Banker Left Behind” is the opening track of Ry Cooder’s 2011 album “Pull Up Some Dust and Sit Down,” available as a free download when you pre-order the album at http://www.nonesuch.com/albums/pull-up-some-dust-and-sit-down. The album is out on August 30, 2011.
Full Album Stream: Ry Cooder’s “Pull Up Some Dust and Sit Down”
When it comes to musical genres, Ry Cooder can play just about anything — and does. From rock ‘n’ roll to country to Dixieland jazz, Cooder has mastered multiple genres on many albums. He does it again with his latest production, “Pull Up Some Dust and Sit Down.” His songs’ lyrics are a statement on our current economic times, but the music offers a tour of the country’s musical heritage. He starts off with a ’30s banjo tune called “No Banker Left Behind,” channeling the likes of Uncle Dave Macon and Woody Guthrie with his Dust Bowl ballads. Then he takes on blues’ giants with “John Lee Hooker for President” and the best mariachi band you’ve ever heard with “El Corrido de Jesse James.” Take a listen to the entire album, and an interview with Cooder, here:
The entire album, “Pull Up Some Dust and Sit Down”Stream
1. No Banker Left Behind
2. El Corrido de Jesse James
3. Quick Sand
4. Dirty Chateau
5. Humpty Dumpty World
6. Christmas Time This Year
7. Baby Joined the Army
8. Lord Tell Me Why
9. John Lee Hooker for President
10. Dreamer
11. Simple Tools
12. If There’s A God
13. No Hard Feelings
Listen to the interview with Ry Cooder on Marketplace