September 14, 2011

It’s Over-Inflated Prices That Aren’t Selling

The Duluth News Tribune reports from Minnesota. “Mortgage foreclosures in Duluth and St. Louis County are on pace to hit their highest point in the past five years, according to data provided to and analyzed by the News Tribune. The rising foreclosures are another indicator that the Duluth housing market may be in the worst condition it’s been in years, with the number of sales at the lowest point since 2007.”

“When Ryan Kern put his Lincoln Park home on the market in March 2010, for example, he said he listed it at about $220,000 following an appraisal by his real estate agent. But the home sat on the market for a year and a half. It wasn’t until Kern lowered the price a third time to $149,500 last week that he got an offer he could accept.”

“‘We’re going to take a loss on it,’ said Kern. ‘But with the housing market the way it is, we have to do what we have to do.’”

“‘People used to count on equity in homes,’ said Jim Skurla, the director of the University of Minnesota Duluth Bureau of Business and Economic Research. ‘With housing prices not going up, people feel they can’t buy anything else. And with high unemployment, people aren’t wanting to get stuck buying a house and later have a mortgage they can’t afford.’”

“For those wanting to sell a home, Pagel Guerndt said some sellers may have to face taking a loss. ‘It depends on what the seller is willing to do with the pricing,’ Pagel Guerndt said. ‘It’s housing that has over-inflated prices that aren’t selling. That’s rough for people.’”

The Star Tribune in Minnesota. “About six years ago, when Jennifer Bryden was single and housing prices were rising like a helium balloon, she bought a condo in Uptown. She negotiated hard and thought she got a bargain. Then Bryden got married, moved into her husband’s house, and the real-estate market deflated, leaving her with a condo she can’t sell for even close to what she paid. Now a busy working mom with two preschoolers, Bryden is stuck in a role she never wanted: being a landlord.”

“‘Every time I sink money into the condo, I feel so stressed,’ she said. ‘My house needs repairs, too. I dread the condo board calling to say I need to contribute to a major repair.’”

“Anne Healy’s year as a landlord was so frustrating that she put her St. Paul house back on the market and recently sold it — for $50,000 less than an offer she turned down last year. She and her husband moved out of the house after buying one in Plymouth that her grandfather had built. ‘We were confident we could sell this one,’ she said. But after turning down two offers, they decided to rent it out instead. ‘We were in denial; we’ve learned the hard way.’”

“Jennifer Strangis Lundquist has thought about letting her lender take over the townhouse she bought in 2004. ‘But I’m not going to do it,’ she said. ‘I have a sense of pride.’ Instead, the Zimmerman newlywed rents out the Woodbury townhouse at a loss of several hundred dollars each month. Finding good tenants and dealing with repairs are ‘kind of a headache,’ she said. She’d rather sell the townhouse than be a landlord. ‘But I’d have to come to the closing with 30 grand.’”

The Grand Rapids Press in Michigan. “August was a mixed bag to the local housing market as sales volume continued to trend upward while prices slid 4 percent lower than a year ago, according to the latest data from the Grand Rapids Association of Realtors. The toughest part for Diane Ebbers, of Greenridge Realty Eastbrook, is working with frustrated sellers dealing with low-ball offers.”

“On all my listings that I was offering people were lowballing like crazy,’ she said. ‘Some people take it. Others won’t. They just stick to their guns. The buyers are thinking they can low-ball some of these offers and they do it because, sometimes, it works.’”

“Ebbers said banks that may have been holding off on foreclosures in recent months seem to have increased their activity recently. Banks also are being far more selective about whom they prequalify for mortgages. ‘It’s bad in the short run because Realtors lose a potential client,’ Ebbers said. ‘But it’s good in the long run when you only have buyers who can afford to buy houses.’”

The Journal Sentinel in Wisconsin. “Mike Ruzicka, president of the Greater Milwaukee Association of Realtors, said buyers have been taking advantage of big discounts in the market, with prices down about 30% from the peak. He said that of sales in August, almost 63%, or 830 units, were $199,999 or less in the four-county area. In Milwaukee County, almost 44% of sales in the month were for homes costing less than $100,000.”

“‘Another drag on the recovery of the real estate market is the artificial suppression of demand due to federal lending regulations. In many cases deals are falling apart because creditworthy buyers cannot get a loan,’ Ruzicka said.”

From Cincinnati.com in Ohio. “The government wants to unload 677 foreclosed single-family homes in the 15-county Greater Cincinnati region that it or government-sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac now own. The Cincinnati region has more government-owned foreclosures on the list than any market in Ohio, Kentucky or Indiana. In fact, the region’s total is higher than those for 19 states, including Kentucky.”

“‘Until we work through this mass of houses on the market under foreclosure, we’re not going to see a revival in home sales or prices of any substantial amount,’ acting U.S. Secretary of Commerce Rebecca Blank said during a recent visit to Cincinnati. ‘People estimate everything from one to two years before we get through all of this. There is no short answer to it. I wish there was.’”

The Wichita Eagle in Kansas. “Sedgwick County should get tougher on people who don’t pay their property taxes on time. That’s the take of Commissioner Jim Skelton, who said constituents are asking him why they see some of the same people on the delinquent tax lists published in The Eagle time after time. Skelton has asked Treasurer Linda Kizzire for more information about what the county can — and can’t — do to get taxes collected.”

“Some of the properties owing back taxes are developers’ lots that haven’t sold, Kizzire said. ‘In all fairness to them, with this economy, I’m sure they’re not selling the lots like they had intended. It’s very unfortunate. I’m hoping before they go to tax foreclosure, the economy will pick back up.’”

The Lawrence Journal World in Kansas. “A multi-million dollar west Lawrence condominium development now is in the hands of an area bank that said it will begin searching for a new owner for the complex. Developers had fallen behind on a mortgage for the property and owed M&I a little more than $13 million on the project. The bank won the sheriff’s auction with a $2.075 million bid, which was the only bid made during the auction.”

“The property includes about 38 unfinished condominiums, a vacant parcel of land adjacent to the development, and several common areas such as a swimming pool, lobby, outdoor kitchen and bar area. Cassie Writz, an attorney with the Kansas City-based law firm Bryan Cave, said her bank clients now would begin marketing the property to potential buyers. About 13 units in the 50 unit complex are occupied. Writz said maintenance of the property’s common areas will continue under the bank’s ownership and that the development would operate in a ‘business as usual’ mode during the transition.”

The Chicago Tribune in Illinois. “The house at the end of our alley has been vacant for almost four years and we — the neighbors and I — figure it’s a matter of time before something bad happens. A fire? Metal thieves? A child abduction? Bad things happen when a house is allowed to sit empty month after month, season after season.”

“Cook County Circuit Court records show Charter One Bank filed for foreclosure in February 2008. The case has kicked around the docket month after month, motion after motion. A second lender, AmTrust Bank, also was involved, but went insolvent in 2009 and turned over its assets to a third bank, so it gets complicated.”

“Somebody still owns the house, though, because records show somebody still is paying property taxes on what was — and could again be — a handsome two-story, four-bedroom, red brick on Wesley Avenue in Evanston. That’s right, Evanston. Not some have-not city neighborhood like Chicago’s Englewood or Austin, but on the ‘leafy’ North Shore, an easy walk from Northwestern University and Lighthouse Beach. Fact is, there now are 534 Evanston homes in some stage of mortgage foreclosure according to Realtytrac.”

“We’re in vicious downward spiral. What began in 2005-06 as a rash of families who overreached or got hornswoggled by shady mortgage brokers has blown into a wider epidemic in which otherwise respectable middle-class folks are walking away from houses on which they owe more than the places are worth.”

The Rockford Register Star in Illinois. “In September 2001, according to economists, the national economy was in the tail end of the recession created when the dot-com bubble burst. Today, the economy has been recovering from the Great Recession, after the housing bubble burst, for more than two years.”

“The real estate bubble inflated so much that when it exploded, it wiped out investors and banks large and small. Even here, long one of the country’s cheapest real estate markets, average home prices soared. In September 2001, the three-month rolling average price, according to Rockford Area Realtors, was $113,301. By July 2006, the average price jumped to $147,106.”

“By this July, though, the average had shrunk to $102,761 — a decade of gains wiped out. Hundreds of banks and mortgage lenders across the country have gone out of business or been seized by banking regulators. That includes the Rock River Bank in 2009 and AMCORE Bank in 2010.”

“Most people, no doubt, only wish for the economic conditions of 2001: The local unemployment rate in September 2001 was 6.1 percent. In July, the latest available data, it was 12.1 percent. Through the first seven months of 2001, builders started 768 new homes. This year, through July, they’d started just 68.”

“In the first seven months of 2001 Realtors sold 3,050 homes in Boone, Winnebago and Ogle counties. So far this year they have sold just 1,734. In all of 2001, lenders started foreclosures on 1,500 houses. Through this July, they’ve already started 1,603.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-09-14 06:49:00

‘otherwise respectable middle-class folks are walking away from houses’

Maybe this writer should confront these “otherwise respectable” people and let them know they are disturbing his ‘leafy’ North Shore. I can just hear it:

‘This is Evanston! That’s right, Evanston!’

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2011-09-14 07:21:50

It’s happening throughout the near north suburbs - Park Ridge, Niles, Skokie - FC in areas that are seen as bulwarks for the region. Places where upwardly mobile young families and well heeled seniors (or at least adequately pensioned seniors) live on tree lined streets. Picture a John Hughes film.

On the part of the seniors at least, those houses should have been paid off years ago - but yet there are FC aplenty. A lot of my high school friends lived in those burbs. Back then a “for sale” sign touched off gossip, I wonder what a FC touches off? Silence probably.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-09-14 07:34:20

There’s an expensive gated subdivision here that doesn’t allow for sale signs. They probably have a higher foreclosure ratio than the rest of the town.

In another expensive area with one of those something “Pointe” names, with an extra E, I worked on a recent foreclosure that had been owned by a surgeon. Some of the paperwork left showed this person had plenty of assets, but walked away from the house.

But… This is Flagstaff! That’s right, Flagstaff!

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-14 17:37:04

“…Park Ridge…”

AKA Dark Ridge, especially with empty foreclosure homes dotting the landscape.

 
 
 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-09-14 07:21:55

she said. She’d rather sell the townhouse than be a landlord. ‘But I’d have to come to the closing with 30 grand
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I see an opportunity here: We bankers should start offering loans specifically designed for people negotiating short sales and for closing fees.

//evil banker!

Comment by Jim A
2011-09-14 08:20:14

It seems that nobody, not the FBs, the banks, or the government wants to admit that that 30k is GONE and not going to come back anytime soon. It seems like everybody is behaving like if they just hold on for a year or two it will be back.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-09-14 08:46:01

And they will as long as they can. When are we going back to mark to market?

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-09-14 09:49:44

It is not “gone” until you sell the place… ;-)

Comment by Jim A
2011-09-14 12:49:09

Of course it isn’t “there” till you sell the place either. It’s kind of like quantum mechanics: the electron doesn’t have a location until you measure it’s location. Likewise, a house doesn’t have a price* until it’s sold.

*RE people use the word “value” but that’s a pretty loaded term IMHO.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-09-14 18:24:52

Awesome, I used that same analogy with someone four or five years ago, Jim! :-)

It’s like the value of the house is a probability-density-function…

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-14 20:38:10

“It’s like the value of the house is a probability-density-function…”

A Bayesian statistician would naturally try to characterize the market value of a house that way…

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-14 07:41:21

“When Ryan Kern put his Lincoln Park home on the market in March 2010, for example, he said he listed it at about $220,000 following an appraisal by his real estate agent. But the home sat on the market for a year and a half. It wasn’t until Kern lowered the price a third time to $149,500 last week that he got an offer he could accept.”
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Scumbag realtors are doing appraisals huh? Based on what qualifications? The next time I’m squeezed for time and need to do develop a take-off and estimate for a client, I guess I should I call a scumbag realtor? Their never ending resourcefulness is something we should all leverage. When I need a stamp on a design change, should I call a scumbag realtor instead of my structures dept?

Speak up realtors. Step forward. Show us your appraisal and estimating qualifications.

Comment by Kim
2011-09-14 08:58:51

I’m not a realtor, but after 3+ years of carefully following the market around here, I could probably appraise any house in my town as well as any realtor - or qualified appraisor for that matter.

But you wouldn’t like the number.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-09-14 09:44:41

On the other hand, it would probably sell at or near your appraised price in a relatively short period of time.

I just recently did much the same, appraised my own second cabin, and sold it off market with surprisingly little effort. I asked a bit more, but quickly settled for an offer in the range that I knew it was worth. Most of the listed stuff in the area still sits, usually for years. And we’re quite content with what we got for it, and that we don’t have to deal with it any longer.

Comment by CA renter
2011-09-15 04:52:26

Well done, ITSF. That’s exactly how to do it.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-14 11:16:22

*When you have an equity stake in the outcome, you have no business appraising anything*

Comment by Jim A
2011-09-14 12:51:02

An appraisal is just an opinion. And at the end of the day, the ONLY person who’s opinion REALLY matters is the one writing the check.

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Comment by scdave
2011-09-14 07:50:38

Gee’s Ben…Nice research and posting…There is so much in there I am not sure what to comment on but when I got to the end I saw this;

“Through the first seven months of 2001, builders started 768 new homes. This year, through July, they’d started just 68.”

Less than 10%….Let that number sink in a bit and think about the local family lumber yard and other contractors…Thats assuming they are still in business…

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-09-14 08:08:14

The buyers are thinking they can low-ball some of these offers and they do it because, sometimes, it works.

I’ll be more interested in making an offer when it’s no longer referred to as “low balling”.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-09-14 09:47:20

I’ve gotten to the point that I don’t care anymore what they call my offers (or what they call me, for that matter). It’s a cash offer, do you want it or not?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-09-14 08:15:54

“‘Another drag on the recovery of the real estate market is the artificial suppression of demand due to federal lending regulations. In many cases deals are falling apart because creditworthy buyers cannot get a loan,’ Ruzicka said.”

In my neck of the woods (central S.C.) I have yet to hear or read about any “creditworthy” borrowers have any trouble getting mortgage loans.

Comment by The_Overdog
2011-09-14 08:47:22

I’ve not heard of this either. I think they are probably stretching the defintion of ‘creditworthy’ to include people on the bare edge of creditworthiness.

Comment by Overtaxed
2011-09-15 06:00:28

Took me about 3 hours (actual work) to get a loan for 400K last year. Had 2 other banks making offers at the same time. Whole process took about 2 weeks from start (Hello, I’d like a loan) to finish (here’s a check for almost 1/2 a million dollars).

Seems to me, from my limited personal experience, that’s its shockingly easy for a creditworthy person to get a loan.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2011-09-14 09:11:43

“In my neck of the woods (central S.C.) I have yet to hear or read about any “creditworthy” borrowers have any trouble getting mortgage loans.”

Ditto here. In fact, we got our construction loan approval in just three hours. We went in with full documentation in tow, something any “qualified buyer” should be able to do.

As Overdog said, they’re probably stretching the definition of “creditworthy”.

 
Comment by Al
2011-09-14 10:05:31

For me, the real kicker is “Another drag on the recovery of the real estate market is the artificial suppression of demand due to federal lending regulations.”

Apparently the government not buying any old crap loan the bank can write is ‘artificial suppression.’ Fannie, Freddie and FHA covering 90% of the mortgage market is ‘artificial suppression.’ Mike Ruzicka is a moron.

 
Comment by michael
2011-09-14 10:14:50

“artificial suppression of demand”

meh.

Comment by Dave of the North
2011-09-14 12:07:53

I demand a million dollar house on my 5 figure income. But they are artificially suppressing it. I’m creditworthy - hey, I get mail every week offering me instant credit. Wahhhh. I want a million dollar house. And a pony…

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-14 13:32:23

“due to federal lending regulations”

Regulations are the new whipping boy.
And if you don’t like the regs now, wait until QRM kicks in, and banks have to put 5% of their money where their mouth is.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-09-14 09:45:34

“‘Every time I sink money into the condo, I feel so stressed,’ she said. ‘My house needs repairs, too. I dread the condo board calling to say I need to contribute to a major repair.’”

You bought a condo. What did you think you were getting into???

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-09-14 11:16:58

From the original post:

“We’re in vicious downward spiral. What began in 2005-06 as a rash of families who overreached or got hornswoggled by shady mortgage brokers has blown into a wider epidemic in which otherwise respectable middle-class folks are walking away from houses on which they owe more than the places are worth.”

To which I say:

Back when I was seeking a home loan, I dealt with a shady mortgage broker. I didn’t know it at the time, but that detail has since been reported in our local media.

Was I hornswoggled? Nope.

The guy I talked with was all hot to get me into one of those ARM thingies (”It’ll lower your monthly payment!”) but I stood my ground. I wanted a 30-year fixed, and that’s what I got.

The two things that saved me were a willingness to do my homework in advance of seeing this guy and a certain stubbornness that seems to be hardwired into my DNA. From my homework, I knew that ARMs were trouble. So, I didn’t want one. I wanted a fixed-rate mortgage, and I wasn’t going to settle for anything less.

As for this company, the Arizona Attorney General eventually put it out of business. There were lots of juicy headlines along the way.

Earlier this year, one of the attorneys who’d worked on the case told me that the company’s now-former owner is barred from owning another mortgage company in Arizona. He can still work in the field, but that ownership thing’s off the table. I was so happy to hear this that I engaged in some very un-Slim-like behavior. I gave that attorney (who’s now in private practice) a big kiss.

 
Comment by JohnF
2011-09-14 17:09:04

“‘Until we work through this mass of houses on the market under foreclosure, we’re not going to see a revival in home sales or prices of any substantial amount,’ acting U.S. Secretary of Commerce Rebecca Blank said during a recent visit to Cincinnati.

Uh…..I’m not too sure about that.

Just how many buyers are going to be left over after you “work through this mass of houses on the market under foreclosure”? The number of potential foreclosed properties is in the millions.

Are there several more millions of buyers just waiting until the foreclosures are gone so they can pay a higher price for a house in the future?

Continued high prices, high unemployment, high household debt, and stagnant incomes for those that are employed are the reason for the housing doldrums - not foreclosures.

Comment by CA renter
2011-09-15 04:55:26

Continued high prices, high unemployment, high household debt, and stagnant incomes for those that are employed are the reason for the housing doldrums - not foreclosures.

THANK YOU!!!!

Why doesn’t anyone in the “real” world grasp this.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-14 17:36:02

Who knew what a housing bubble hot spot Duluth was!

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-14 20:47:43

“…an attorney with the Kansas City-based law firm Bryan Cave…”

Bryan, Cave, McPheeters & McRoberts

Back when I used to date a secretary who worked there, they had ‘McPheeters & McRoberts’ as part of the company name. Perhaps they decided to drop the last two parts due to the unfortunate nickname they inspired (McCheaters & McRobbers).

 
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