September 17, 2011

A Source Of The Nation’s Economic Weakness

Readers suggested this topic: “All the green jobs of the $1 Trillion stimulus are going ‘poof.’ How will this affect housing prices? Are these jobs in high concentrations in just a few markets (like Southern CA)? Did any of this money lower energy usage or lower the amount of imported oil? What do you tell your grandchildren 40 years from now on why they are still paying off this debt (with interest)?”

One said, “When I worked in the oil refinery, everything was boiled down to the basis of how much energy you would get if you burned it. Compare that to how much energy you have to input to make it and you have a very practical way to judge options and make investments. When we deplete oil to manufacture solar cells and wind turbines that will never pay back, that stuff is just gone. When we built houses and nail salons that are not needed, we also wasted huge amounts of energy.”

A reply, “I have posted a couple of articles showing that new wind projects produce electricity cheaper than coal, when coal prices rise they will produce it much cheaper. Solar prices are falling rapidly. Payback with incentives is less than 5 years now for a business.”

One added, “As the US continues to subsidize and develop alternative energies and their production, and feedback and improvements improve the design and output, they will become even more so. Keep in mind that when ‘hand-held’ electronic calculators first came out in the late sixties, they cost six hundred dollars– in 1968 dollars. Ten years later, they were on keychain giveaways. A 256 byte Sony computer system with AutoCad once cost my architect brother $5,000. And a laser printer, 14K. Now I can buy that printer in CostCo for $179– and the reproductions are just as clean if not a lot more vivid.”

“It takes awhile to get development scaled up for efficient industrial manufacture, but when it does, the technology takes off. I, for one, am glad to see it finally starting to happen in this country. Europe, Asia, Scandinavian, even Indonesia are far ahead of us in alternate energy technologies.”

“Research and development is a legitimate function of our government. Sometimes, it flubs big time. (Eight track tape, anyone? Betamax?) Sometime it changes our world. The internet? Birth control pills? Solid Stage Rocketry?”

Another said, “Why are we not building, developing and tweaking efficiencies to existing systems? And small nuke of course.”

One had this, “I only purchase Energy Star appliances. I have CFLs, double-insulated doors and windows, insulation up to R-25 and allow the local electric company to cycle off my central a/c as needed. Last year there were at least three times when they shut off the a/c and I either suffered or went to the mall. This year? Zip, zero, zilch, nada. (Knock on wood).”

“I attribute it in part to a slower economy, but to a larger extent to the proliferation of incentive-induced solar installations in the Left Coast OC. No electric bill this year over $100 in any given month. BTW, they pay me for the privilege to shut me down. Win-win!”

A reply, “I agree 100% on Conservation but can’t resist: It’s because the houses are empty!”

Finally, “”Residential power use has fallen even as the number of electronic devices has exploded because the devices themselves have gotten more efficient. In the 1970s, for example, refrigerators used 2,000 kilowatt-hours per year. Today, they use 500.”

“The first flat screen TVs used twice as much power as their widebodied ancestors, but they have been getting dramatically more efficient in recent years, according to Tom Reddoch, executive director of energy efficiency at EPRI.”

“Appliances are expected to get even more efficient over the next two decades. An EPRI analysis predicts refrigeration will get 29 percent more efficient, space heating will get 24 percent more efficient and TVs and computers will get 22 percent more efficient. Energy needed for lighting will decline by half.”

From Salon. “At present, the United States obtains about 40 percent of its total energy supply from oil, far more than any other major economic power. While a burst housing bubble and financial shenanigans lay behind the Great Recession that began in 2008, it’s worth remembering that it also coincided with the beginning of a stratospheric rise in oil prices.”

“Despite the great debt debate in Washington, oil is a factor seldom mentioned when American indebtedness comes up. And yet the United States imports 50 percent to 60 percent of its oil supply, and with prices averaging at least $80 to $90 per barrel, we’re sending approximately $1 billion every day to foreign oil providers. These payments constitute the single biggest contribution to the country’s balance-of-payments deficit and so is a major source of the nation’s economic weakness.”

The Orange County Register. “On Thursday night, the president told a Democratic fundraiser in Washington that the Pass My Jobs Bill bill would create 1.9 million new jobs. What kind of jobs are created by this kind of magical thinking? Well, they’re ‘green jobs’ – and, if we know anything about ‘green jobs,’ it’s that they take a lot of green.”

“German taxpayers subsidize ‘green jobs’ in their wind-power industry to the tune of a quarter of a million dollars per worker per year: $250,000 per ‘green job’ would pay for a lot of real jobs, even in the European Union. Last year, it was revealed that the Spanish government paid $800,000 for every ‘green job’ on a solar panel assembly line. I had assumed carelessly that this must be a world record in terms of taxpayer subsidy per fraudulent ‘green job.’ But it turns out those cheapskate Spaniards with their lousy nickel-and-dime “green jobs” subsidy just weren’t thinking big. The Obama administration’s $38.6 billion ‘clean technology’ program was supposed to ‘create or save’ 65,000 jobs. Half the money has been spent – $17.2 billion – and we have 3,545 jobs to show for it. That works out to an impressive $4,851,904.09 per ‘green job.’ A world record! Take that, you loser Spaniards! USA! USA!”

The Washington Post. “Bank of America, which reported an $8.8 billion loss last quarter, plans 30,000 layoffs out of a workforce of nearly 300,000. The Postal Service hopes to shed 120,000 of its 653,000 jobs. Such churning of the labor market would free people for new, more productive jobs — except that to reduce unemployment, the economy needs a 3 percent growth rate, triple today’s rate.”

“Consumers of modest means are so strapped that Wal-Mart is reviving layaway purchases for the Christmas season. The Wall Street Journal reports that Procter & Gamble, which claims to have at least one product in 98 percent of American households, expects hard times for a long time: It is putting new emphasis on lower-priced products for low-income shoppers.”

“Just as Obama administration policies have delayed the housing market reaching a salutary bottom, Europe’s policies designed to delay Greece’s default on its debt are making that worse. If the contagion reaches Italy or Spain, we will learn how hollow Europe’s banks are, and how U.S. banks are entangled with them.”

“During the debt-ceiling debate, The New York Times was aghast that the GOP risked causing the nation to default on debt. Now two columnists back slow-motion default through inflation: The Federal Reserve should have ‘the deliberate goal of generating higher inflation to help alleviate debt problems’ (Paul Krugman) and ’sometimes we need inflation, and now is such a time’ (Floyd Norris).”

“Ken Rogoff, a Harvard economist, suggests ‘trying to achieve some modest deleveraging through moderate inflation of, say, 4 to 6 percent for several years.’ This is an antiseptic way of saying we should reduce the weight of our indebtedness by reducing the value of the dollars in which it is denominated. But does the nation need more uncertainty? And note Rogoff’s serene confidence in government’s ability to control such things — inflation will be fine-tuned within a narrow band, switched on for just a few years, then off, like a government-approved light bulb.”

“Unemployment has been at least 9 percent in 26 of the 30 months since the stimulus was passed. Michael Boskin of Stanford says that even if one charitably accepts the administration’s self-serving estimate of jobs ‘created or saved’ by the stimulus, each job cost $280,000. After more than half a billion stimulus dollars in loan guarantees, bankrupt Solyndra has shed nearly all of its more than 1,100 workers.”

“The economic policy the ‘federal family’ should adopt can be expressed: Get. Out. Of. The. Way.”

The Plain Dealer. “Time magazine’s Massimo Calabresi and Stephen Gandel used Lakewood — where city officials have been busy tearing down abandoned houses in order to nip the cancer of vacancy before it can spread — as an example of what other communities should be doing. It’s going to take demolition — lots of it, nationally — to help the housing market recover, they argue. And until housing rebounds, the overall economy is likely to lag as well.”




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Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-09-17 08:40:39

“Keep in mind that when ‘hand-held’ electronic calculators first came out in the late sixties, they cost six hundred dollars– in 1968 dollars. Ten years later, they were on keychain giveaways.”

Energy conversion and storage improvements don’t follow Moore’s law, (which really wasn’t a law, just observations regarding the pace at which semiconductor miniaturization could follow). Energy technologies are constrined by the laws of physics and thermodynamics in ways the make the rate of progress many orders of magnitude less.

Comment by DennisN
2011-09-17 10:10:20

Moving solar cells from single-crystal silicon to cheap polysilicon probably gave an order of magnitude cost lowering. But there are only so many quantum jumps in such manufacturing.

Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-17 15:26:31

Real time data as of 2011.
My solar panel array is going to cost me $3.92 per watt installed. The contractor selected German made panels because they were top rated but the rest of the system is USA made. The panels cost $1.30/w so it’s about 50% of the total. It will supply me 5100 watts for 25 years and could last up to 30 years at a somewhat lower rated output. I bought a 7000 watt inverter so I can add additional panels later.
This system cost is down 30% from last years quoted prices. I will get a federal income tax credit up to 30% of the total. If I hit break even in less than ten years it might earn me a nice annual return payable from my local electric Co. and I will double my money. This assumes electric rates don’t rise for the next 25 years :)
For people like me electric cars will be cheaper to own so I would factor that in to my next auto purchase too. Anybody seen any USED Volts or Leafs available yet?

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-17 18:30:54

So if I understand you post, you paid roughly $20k for a system that develops 5Kw/hr at full output for 24 hrs?

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Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-17 19:58:37

It’s 5 kwh for 6-7 hours during full sun light, 365 days a year. That’s not a problem where I live. It’s a grid tied system so the extra juice during the day runs my meter backward and when the sun doesn’t shine I pull down what I need from the grid. With this much power I should be a net generator of electricity averaged out over the year. There is already a Smart-Meter on my house and I can log in to a web site and monitor my usage 24/7 and it will help me schedule my usage. Someday I hope to add batteries so I’ll have the best of both worlds.

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-09-17 22:52:50

After 14 years, I finally replaced the battery on my solar-powered gate openers/security cams. Running electrical to the site would have cost me five figures. Amortized annual cost is maybe $20/year?

Thankful for the technology.

 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-09-17 10:51:47

Gee - I don’t remember the US Government tripling its debt investing in hand-held calculator companies that gave generously to the president’s re-election campaign…

It seems private companies managed to bring new and better calculators to market all by themselves.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-17 11:15:03

Troll alert

 
Comment by bananarama
2011-09-17 12:48:33

Spot on 2banana! The Obama trolls don’t like to hear the reality.

2banana is the man, Cantankerous IED!

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-09-17 15:03:57

Hey banana boy -

No one will ever accuse me of being left of center, but let’s remember the first 2-3 generations of semiconductor development (and solar cell development) were driven by NASA and DARPA. Goverment space rockets and missles - not exactly free market. The industry really took off on it’s own steam in the mid to late 70’s, with the intel 8080 architectures and PCs leading the way.

And Bear, you could ease up on the gratuitous insults yourself as of late. You’re better than that, I would hope.

Now that I’ve pissed off everybody, guess I’ll leave…

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-17 16:47:37

No offense taken. I think I generally know when I am being offensive, but don’t really care if someone points out the obvious…

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Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-17 15:10:30

I bought a basic TI calculator in 1970 for $70. It never broke in 10 years of use. But facts are facts, Texas Instruments was and has always been deep in the DoD pockets. How many millions of dollars on basic research was directly funded by Govt. dollars from the early 60’s and on? Ever heard of the term Mil-Spec? It means you can charge 10 times the price to the Govt..

Comment by ahansen
2011-09-17 23:02:18

Oops, thanx, BlueStar. Beat me to it.

Really, guys. Your partisan talking points are not only stale, but poorly researched and often just plain asinine. If you’re going to post with the big boys, at least make the attempt to come up with something reasoned and original?

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Comment by ahansen
2011-09-17 22:55:12

Nice try, nanners. Actually, Texas Instruments benefited significantly from the space program, and computer/calculators were a direct result of that investment.

Next…

 
 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2011-09-17 08:52:18

“Bank of America, which reported an $8.8 billion loss last quarter, plans 30,000 layoffs out of a workforce of nearly 300,000. The Postal Service hopes to shed 120,000 of its 653,000 jobs. Such churning of the labor market would free people for new, more productive jobs.”

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Layoffs are freeing. Who knew.

Before long, our definition of freedom will include serfdom or even slavery. And it won’t matter who’s President.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-09-17 09:57:25

‘free people for new, more productive jobs’

Well, if they ain’t got a job, they are forced to look for something else, right? How many bank clerks do we need, and just how productive are they?

A lot of this is politics getting in the way of how this stuff should be evaluated. I don’t think anyone is against “green jobs”. But environmental programs and research aren’t jobs programs. That’s mixing objectives and comes out of the DC finger-in-the-wind, agenda driven mindset.

Similarly, in this little double dip recession panic, short and long term are confused. It’s becoming clear that green jobs faltered in the short term because most of the gains will be found when new households are formed. Let’s suppose new subdivisions need solar power. Great, and that will come in handy years from now when we start new subdivisions. Or an efficient appliance; in a recession who’s gonna ditch a working appliance for a new green one?

And that doesn’t even touch the issue of where that appliance is made. If we develop the technology and it’s made in China, how does that help with jobs?

Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-09-17 11:10:57

In the fevered rush to man the left/right political barricades regarding this latest “green jobs” debacle, there’s a significant housing bubble angle that’s easily overlooked. I can testify to it, firsthand.

In 2008, when I shut down my off-grid solar installation business in South Central Utah, I seriously considered trying to find work as an engineer in one of these up-and-coming alternative energy technology companies. There were scores of job openings, almost all at companies I had never heard of. I think a couple of them were with Solyndra but I can’t recall for certain. Many of these new green jobs were/are located in California, which has been a US leader in development and deployment of solar alternative energy technologies.

The salaries for the CA positions were usually quite high, but I still couldn’t justify them. There was no way I would lower my economic standard of living as much as I would have needed to in order to move there. Plus, I had this question forever eating at me: what would happen when the grant money and loan guarantees dried up? I’d be in expensive, still-bubbly CA looking for a job, that’s what. Most of these companies didn’t have viable products, I could see that, and the gravy train never goes on forever. I ended up settling for more routine (but still interesting) engineering work in the Salt Lake area, and renting an apartment as Salt Lake is still coming down from the housing bubble as well. Let’s just say that I’m not regretting the decision in light of the recent news. And I’m grateful to all of you here for prodding me to think in the terms like I just described above.

My point is this: any new potential jobs-producing industrial growth in this country runs straight into the brick wall of inflated US cost of living, in large measure due to propped up housing prices. It doesn’t matter how intrinsically good or “clean” the new industry is, or even how inevitable it is, for that matter. Ben, as you say so often, unless our leadership truly comes to term what has happened with housing, and deals with how we move beyond, these initiatives like “green jobs” are mostly destined to fail, no matter how well-intentioned. And in this particular case, even the intentions are in question but that’s a whole ‘nother topic.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2011-09-17 16:23:07

If a company or government entity has too many employees relative to available work or money, I completely agree that a layoff is appropriate. It’s the phrasing that I found objectionable — it reminded me of a story I once heard, possibly apocryphal, that laid off employees were told that they “were being freed to an efficient labor market.” It sounds like something George Clooney’s character in “Up in the Air” would have said.

It would certainly “free” up money if Americans weren’t overpaying for houses, but I don’t see that argument being made anywhere other than here.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-17 17:18:06

Wait, I thought that all those bankers were “producers” because they had the income to prove it. Now they’re saying that those high paying jobs are not productive?

Another talking point gone.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-17 09:51:18

“Just as Obama administration policies have delayed the housing market reaching a salutary bottom, Europe’s policies designed to delay Greece’s default on its debt are making that worse. If the contagion reaches Italy or Spain, we will learn how hollow Europe’s banks are, and how U.S. banks are entangled with them.”

Sounds like a perfect storm! At least the word is out there loud and clear in the pages of WAPO that the housing market is artificially propped up. Now if only someone in DC could connect the dots and figure out how no home sales translate into lost income for Realtors©, home builders, and workers in industries which support them. Not only that, unaffordable housing prices make it difficult for young families to relocate and lay down roots where their best career opportunities lie. The majority of families I know headed by parents under the age of forty have been renting and waiting for years by now.

Whatever came of the goal to make housing prices affordable? Seems in this case, they succeeded to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-09-17 10:02:26

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/15/140484870/mortgage-savings-leaders-seek-refinancing-options?ps=cprs

‘In his jobs speech last week, President Obama also took time to say he wants to help more Americans save money on their mortgages. Millions of American homeowners don’t qualify for those low rates. If they did, they’d be saving hundreds of dollars a month on their home loans, which might give them more money to spend elsewhere and help boost the economy.’

‘I know you guys must be for this because that’s a step that can put more than $2,000 a year in a family’s pocket and give a lift to an economy still burdened by the drop in housing prices,’ Obama said.’

Imagine how much we could all save every year if the feds/lenders stopped hoarding foreclosed houses, propping up prices and rents/mortgage payments fell accordingly?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-17 10:34:15

“Imagine how much we could all save every year if the feds/lenders stopped hoarding foreclosed houses, propping up prices and rents/mortgage payments fell accordingly?”

Maybe if we wish hard, someone at the CBO will come through with some estimates of the hidden costs of these policies on American households who tried to stay clear of the housing mania but are now being forced to shoulder the fallout.

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2011-09-17 10:21:49

“Research and development is a legitimate function of our government.”

Point this out to me from the U.S. constitution.

This is not part of the promote the general welfare stuff. That is basically a statement saying government must remove as many obstacles as possible to individual freedom so long as no one violates anyone else’s sovereign rights.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-17 10:35:39

If done right, research can help to remove political impediments to individual freedoms. Otherwise, we can enjoy governance by political strawmen with no basis in fact (and we are headed that direction).

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-09-17 12:36:20

Political impediments. And economic impediments.

Which, IMO, are one and the same.

“Promote the general welfare”

Right there in line 1 of the Preamble.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-09-17 12:45:46

I guess “promote the General welfare” means we make sure that all of our “generals” are on welfare.

Generals = Politicians, Banksters, Defense contractors, Business “leaders”

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Comment by bkkobserver
2011-09-17 21:03:24

+1

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-17 17:24:29

I will ask you again, Bill the Nomad:

Would you be spouting this “where in the Constitution” notion if you hadn’t already made your pile of $$$ on ostensibly unconstitional R&D?

Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2011-09-17 18:54:30

Started voting libertarian as soon as the next election after I turned eighteen.

I read Milton Friedman, David Friedman, Hayek, Ringer, Rothbard, Rand, Lysander Spooner, Jerome Tucille, Morris and Linda Tannehill, studied Wendy McElroy and Carl Watner’s voluntaryism. Hard core non-aggression, disengagement. I read For a New Liberty. Most of these books by age twenty.

The section 8 that moved in my parents’ neighborhood radicalized me. Igave out over 1,000campaign brochures for LP candidate Ed Clark for President in 1980. Of course I did not vote for Reagan. He was not capitalist enough and I was an atheist.

Oh by the way, my net worth was only $6,000 in 1982. It did not exceed that until 1992 at age 33.

To set it straight, I was a capitalist ever since I read up on what it was. My micro-economics text my first semester in college gave me a start in my interest.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-17 18:37:53

Possession and use of narcotics without a prescription is illegal”.

Point this out to me from the U.S. constitution.

Comment by ahansen
2011-09-17 23:13:42

Probably an interpretation of “promote the general welfare.” Heavens forfend we insure the domestic tranquility.

Oh, wait….

 
Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2011-09-18 07:17:18

Well it is not in the constitution. Drugs are victimless crimes. The crux is that you have a right to your own life. Enhance it or destroy it, it is your prerogative.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-17 17:20:07

“The Federal Reserve should have ‘the deliberate goal of generating higher inflation to help alleviate debt problems’ (Paul Krugman).”

Until I see concomitant wage inflation to match my pasta inflation, I suggest that Krugman shut his pie hole.

Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-17 20:17:52

GM Auto Unions got a raise this week. New hires get $2 more on their base pay.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-17 22:54:17

In principle, inflation is an increase in the general prices, not the relative price of, say, labor versus pasta.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-17 22:57:58

So, for instance, a doubling in wages, pasta prices and all other prices would be inflation. Anyone with savings in dollars or owed fixed dollar obligations would see the value of those cut in half.

Comment by Xenos
2011-09-18 01:57:30

Which is why it would be smarter for savers and rentiers to diversify rather than obsess about the occasional spot of inflation.

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Comment by CA renter
2011-09-19 04:29:45

Comment by oxide
2011-09-17 17:20:07

“The Federal Reserve should have ‘the deliberate goal of generating higher inflation to help alleviate debt problems’ (Paul Krugman).”

Until I see concomitant wage inflation to match my pasta inflation, I suggest that Krugman shut his pie hole.
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You said it, oxide!

Went grocery shopping yesterday and paid almost $200 for a partially-filled cart! This inflation is eating us alive!

Unless we get wage inflation, any and all inflationary measures will end up causing even more damage.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-17 23:05:26

By Mary Bruce
@marykbruce
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Sep 16, 2011 5:29pm
Bloomberg Warns High US Unemployment Could Lead to Riots

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg warned today that public frustration over joblessness in the U.S. is in danger of boiling over and could lead to riots in the streets if the government fails to create more jobs.

“You have a lot of kids graduating college who can’t find jobs. That’s what happened in Cairo. That’s what happened in Madrid. You don’t want those kinds of riots here,” Bloomberg said on his weekly radio show, referencing the riots in Egypt that ousted President Hosni Mubarak.

The protests in Madrid that he spoke of were sparked when the Spanish government spent millions to welcome Pope Benedict despite the country’s widespread unemployment.

Bloomberg’s comments came as President Obama continues to pressure Congress to pass his $447 billion jobs bill, urging Republicans to stop the “game-playing” and put country ahead of party.

“There is no overnight solution,” Bloomberg said. “You create these problems over long periods of time and all of a sudden they say, ‘Let’s face it today.’”

The mayor did, however, give the president credit for developing a plan to boost job growth. “I think if you look at the president’s proposals, at least he has some ideas on the table, whether you like those or not. Now everybody’s got to sit down and say, ‘We’ve actually got to do something.’”

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-09-18 06:56:39

My husband and I were very impressed that Mayor Bloomberg appeared to break the morotorium of acknowledging the potential for violence here in the US. Then we discovered he had trouble already brewing on his own doorstep. I have a feeling the police will tightly control the situation. Therefore it was probably necessary for him to project himself as sympathetic to people’s situations as a way of being pre-emptive just in case.

Now from what I read of this group, they had every plan for it to be a sit in and not a riot. But unfortunately the plan was to go in “leaderless” and decide what the demand would be after bringing a crowd together. ??!?! Ya gotta wonder what dark forces would decide to rush in and take ahold of that situation. I don’t think these people have an appreciation for how quickly sentiment can change in a crowd.

https://occupywallst.org/

Also us hbbers might want to keep on eye on this partiuclar demand as it will affect availability and therefore pricing:

5.We call for the seizure and use of abandoned buildings, of abandoned land, of every property seized and abandoned by speculators, for the people, for every group that will organize them.

 
 
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