September 18, 2011

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Comment by combotechie
2011-09-18 03:52:20

There’s some lessons here:

1. If you have a good job then keep it. If you are offered early retirement then just say “no”.

2. Underfunded promises are promises destined to be broken.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903532804576566862041674794.html?r

Comment by Müggy
2011-09-18 05:11:09

There’s another lesson here: privatized companies are more efficient and therefore better. They also provide more opportunity for you to be free! You can starve to death on dog food, or work the night shift. Hell yeah that’s freedom.

Comment by Jojo
2011-09-18 06:54:29

Muggy, when did you develop an umlat?

Suits you, by the way.

Comment by Müggy
2011-09-18 10:16:34

“Muggy, when did you develop an umlat?”

A few weeks ago. I had to toughen up for the second, massive leg down.

“Suits you, by the way.”

On your marks, get set, troll!

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-09-18 06:37:19

“Companies say they are the victims of a “perfect storm” of unforeseen forces: an aging work force, market turmoil, adverse interest rates.”

I am starting to think that illegal immigration is the answer that people at the top came up with to deal with the aging work force. Yes at the top, the federal reserve. I think the master planners knew they were running out of tax payers so they just opened the border and let new tax payers flood across the border. They knew they were running out of grunts to shovel coal (tax dollars) in to the furnace to keep the machine (the govt.) running.

This came to mind last week when I was talking to a painter who was from Honduras. In my limited Spanish and his limited English we talked for about 5 minutes. At the end of the conversation I said “It`s bound to get better” he had a puzzled look on his face and his reply was.. “It`s good here, this is easy. Life in Honduras is very hard, very bad. Work hard no money”

It was then I started thinking… Our lifestyle could drop a lot and it would still be a much better life than what these people had so they aren`t gonna b#tch.

Now I don`t think the “Master planners” thought this all the way through. I don`t think they thought the burden these new tax payers would put on the machine (the govt.) would far outway the new tax dollars they would bring in.

Comment by palmetto
2011-09-18 07:11:27

“Our lifestyle could drop a lot and it would still be a much better life than what these people had so they aren`t gonna b#tch.”

And that is exactly what happens when you put together two entities, one of which is doing well and the other bottomed out. The entity that is doing well gets dragged WAY down relative to where they were, the bottomed out entity gets some slight improvement over their former circumstances by association. It’s most obvious in marriages or personal relationships, but you can see this in neighborhoods, cities and towns.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 07:39:28

I think the master planners knew they were running out of tax payers so they just opened the border and let new tax payers flood across the border

Aren’t illegals with their large families and low incomes just the opposite? 5 kids in public schools costs local taxpayers more than the illegal family’s annual income. And then there’s food stamps and other forms of public assistance for their anchor babies.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-09-18 08:05:33

“Now I don`t think the “Master planners” thought this all the way through. I don`t think they thought the burden these new tax payers would put on the machine (the govt.) would far outway the new tax dollars they would bring in.”

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 08:36:26

The “Master Planners” certainly could design U.S. immigration policy to let in people who are likely to help us get out of our economic morass and to systematically exclude those who are likely to help drag us down.

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Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 09:16:46

Sounds elitist. Why not let everyone in?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 10:31:21

“Why not let everyone in?”

I can get on board with that idea, so long as liberal Democrats don’t force me to start paying taxes to support everyone we let in.

Living in California, I’m not on board.

 
Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 10:34:38

—o long as liberal Democrats don’t force me to start paying taxes to support everyone we let in.—

What would be wrong with that?

 
Comment by Montana
2011-09-18 15:27:47

It’s theft. “Thou shalt not steal.”

 
Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 16:54:20

—It’s theft. “Thou shalt not steal.”—-

Hasn’t stopped the Left so far on this issue

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-18 19:03:15

Keep your 10 commandments and 613 laws to yourself.

 
 
Comment by Robin
2011-09-18 19:42:57

tax payers… really? What percentage of illegal immigrants pay taxes. I know some do, but what percent?

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Comment by Montana
2011-09-18 15:30:51

I’m convinced the elites think open borders is the only way to save SS and the economy..but I just don’t see how importing poverty helps us.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 19:35:27

It’s a lame misconception if ever there was one.

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Comment by Robin
2011-09-18 19:45:24

It may help us compete with Chindia for low-skill, low-paying jobs.

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-09-18 21:29:05

Gen X & Y outnumber the boomers. The whole “lack of future taxpaying employees” is bullcrap from a population standpoint.

However, it is true from the standpoint of jobs being offshored.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 07:36:09

If you are offered early retirement then just say “no”.

There’s a good chance you’ll get laid off if you do that.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-09-18 08:50:12

The Master Planners are thieves . This has just been a concerted effort to transfer wealth from one sector to the other by any means possible .

The PR campaigns going on right now are to give up and be happy because life is a bitch .

The fact that the wealth is being transferred to the top is the
proof . It would be one thing if everybody was toast ,including the top ,but that’s not what the program is .

Comment by scdave
2011-09-18 09:14:19

is being transferred ??

Is ?? More like; “Has Been”….

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-09-18 09:30:47

Right scdave ,what was I thinking ,it’s already been transferred .

 
 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-09-18 14:06:49

I guess this is why it’s time for us little people to tighten our belts- with no tax increases upon the wealthy looters, of course.

from the article:

“Employers’ ability to generate profits by cutting retiree benefits coincided with the trend of tying executive pay to performance. Intentionally or not, top officers who greenlighted massive retiree cuts were indirectly boosting their own compensation.

As their pay grew, executives deferred more of it. Supplemental executive pensions, which are based on pay, also ballooned. These executive liabilities account for much of the “spiraling” pension costs many companies complain about.”

Comment by ecofeco
2011-09-18 21:31:50

Ah, the old “she was asking for it” defense and “he dumb enough to LET me steal from him.”

 
 
 
Comment by Müggy
2011-09-18 05:06:30

Ruh-roh!

“Florida Schools Learn Hard Lessons

As part of the 2009 economic stimulus package, millions of federal dollars flowed to Florida’s public school districts. The money was intended to benefit low-performing schools as way of closing the so-called achievement gap.

“Every dollar we spend must advance reforms and improve learning,”

But with the aid of federal waivers, school districts were allowed to divert money from education reform to patch holes in general operating budgets. In fact, a review of financial records by the Florida Center for Investigative Reporting shows that the state’s school districts spent more than $890 million in federal money this way.”

http://www.theledger.com/article/20110917/NEWS/110919399/1001/BUSINESS?Title=Florida-Schools-Learn-Hard-Lessons-

Comment by liz pendens
2011-09-18 07:11:11

“Obama money” finds crooked wasteful “programs” magically. Its just amazing how that works. Whodathunkit?

Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2011-09-18 08:18:54

Hey, fellow Floridians! I’m in Orlando and have been been less than an active poster for a while. How many of us are there still lurking about here on the forum and from which cities/areas?

Comment by scdave
2011-09-18 08:38:24

How many of us are there still lurking ??

300+ hits in the Bucket is still common…

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-18 08:59:25

America [AA+] Day: # 44 :-)

Welcome back!

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-09-18 09:59:59

New Smyrna Beach FL. Pressboardbox/liz pendens posting sporadically for five years strong. Go HBB. Go Ben.

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Comment by liz pendens
2011-09-18 10:02:45

Posting since Cantankerous Bear was Get Stucco.

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Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2011-09-18 15:13:57

I never knew that he morphed!! Hell, I knew Get Stucco and even Muggy before he went all euro-trash and got his umlatt (sp?)! Does Dimedropped still post anymore? I think Palmetto is still around too.

 
 
Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 10:35:47

Well, I’m not a fellow floridian, but believe I’ve been playing here since ‘05.

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Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-18 12:57:38

Been here too long. Fort Worth TX, 1 mile due south of Lockheed - Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base runway 180 and 1500′ below the glide path. When it rains it smells like kerosene.

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Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 09:18:22

I concur. Still, this perhaps reveals more generalized notions that central planning and casual tossing of cash tend not to end well.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-09-18 21:34:44

Whodathunkit?

Any one who knows that Florida is a red state.

Was this a trick question?

 
 
Comment by Montana
2011-09-18 15:32:50

well what’s the diff, the achievement gap will always be with us.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-09-18 05:16:39

Et tu Reuters?

Fake and subsidized industry = massive government debt = no jobs when the money runs out = still falling housing prices

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Solyndra, the logical endpoint of Obamanomics
Reuters | Sept. 16, 2011 | James Pethokoukis

The bankruptcy of solar-panel maker Solyndra neatly encapsulates the economic, political and intellectual bankruptcy of Barack Obama’s Big Idea. It was the president’s intention back in 2009 to begin centrally reorganizing the U.S. economy around the supposed climate-change crisis.

To what end? Well, Obama claimed his election would mark “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.” But that was just the cover story. At its core, Obamanomics is about the top-down redistribution of wealth and income. Government spending on various “green” subsidies and programs, along with a cap-and-trade system to limit carbon emissions, would enrich key Democrat constituencies: lawyers, public sector unions, academia and non-profits.

And Obama almost pulled it off. The Great Recession conveniently allowed the president to start the spendathon under the guise of economic stimulus. (”You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.” - White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, 2009).

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 07:47:01

I think Obama has bigger problems than Solyndra.

For instance: He promised to end the expensive wars, and yet we’re still there. He promised to fix healthcare but our byzantine system of private insurance and rising numbers of uninsured Americans is basically unchanged, “Obamacare” or not. The job market, while out of free fall, is stuck at stubbornly high levels of unemployment and underemployment. These are the issues that J6P is aware of and cares about.

Most people remain blissfully unaware of Solyndra. In fact, this blog is pretty much the only place I ever see it discussed.

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-09-18 09:13:12

We talk about Solyndra every day at the office, but that may just be because we are in Silicon Valley and aware of such things…

Comment by MightyMike
2011-09-18 09:44:14

What do people say about it in your office? Also, are they aware that federal funding or R & D is what made Silicon Valley possible?

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 09:45:25

You’re probably right. It never gets discussed at my office, but I’m in flyover country.

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Comment by SV guy
2011-09-18 09:50:23

I know quite a few people who were directly involved in the construction of their new building.

All but a very few were chuggin’ the kool-aid.

My position was and is no manufacturing can exist in this valley without a subsidy of some kind. The same could be said for most of the US as well. Solyndra was doomed from the start.

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Comment by scdave
2011-09-18 10:32:21

Hey SV….When I first saw that building going up on #880 I said to myself, “who the hell is building that monstrosity in this economic market” ??….Little did I know it was FED money building it….

 
Comment by SV guy
2011-09-18 17:53:48

scdave,
I knew that Solyndra had purchased their first building (the recently built former HMT building) for pennies on the dollar. Driving north on 880 it’s about a 1/2 mile south of the new building on the same side. It’s got the large red Circuit City looking wedge at its entrance. It has a state of the art infrastructure. I had some involvement in its design.

My guess at the time was a large VC investment to fund Solar R&D not manufacturing. Only later did I find out it was our money they were spending.

Sheesh.

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-09-18 11:14:25

If the EMPLOYEES knew it wasdoomed becuse china can make them better and cheaper why do we always have to finish spending the money before admitting defeat?

Like paving a road then 3 weeks later digging it up to put new pipelines…thats been planned for years?

 
Comment by 45north
2011-09-18 11:51:54

I just looked it up. I went to youtube to find out its pronunciation - it’s not obvious. I listened to Rep. Morgan Griffith (Virginia). I like his style.

 
 
Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 09:19:34

You should see the video of Biden singing the praises (painful) of this deal, back when it was arranged.

Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-18 10:59:01

Well Doc go ahead and laugh at our politicians but what you are watching is the Chinese are choking the infant USA alt-energy industry in it’s crib. Three US solar companies have gone BK in the last 2 months and the once promising American Superconductor got their IP ripped off.

“China takes over as US solar power firms fail”
http://www.mysinchew.com/node/63869

American Superconductor Extends Slide On Sinovel Spat.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2011/09/16/american-superconductor-extends-slide-on-sinovel-spat/

Yes you will say that it’s wrong for the government to pick winners and losers so tell me why should the Dept. of Energy back a billion dollar loan to United States Enrichment Corporation (USEC operates the only U.S.-owned uranium enrichment facility in the United States)? Here is an home grown industry that can’t survive on it’s own so by your standards we should let it die and just let the free market control our access to nuclear fuel. Be sure to write you representative and demand we not waste tax dollars on another failed “green” (no CO2) company.

Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 11:16:06

BlueStar —Well Doc go ahead and laugh at our politicians but what you are watching is the Chinese are choking the infant USA alt-energy industry in it’s crib.—- Yes you will say that it’s wrong for the government to pick winners and losers so tell me why should the Dept. of Energy back a billion dollar loan to United States Enrichment Corporation—

A. I have not posted in this dicussion about laughing at our politicians.

B. Whether I were to laugh at our politicians or not, such would have nothing to do with whether or not our infant USA alt-energy industry is being choked in its crib by the Chinese

C. After “Straw Man” and “Ad Hominem Insult” comes “The Telepath” in debate technique. Always entertaining to hear people tell me what i *will* say. Snort.

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Now that I’ve shown your entire screed against me has nothing to do with anything I actually have said or done, when you are ready, perhaps we can discuss how/why/when gov’t support for private research or how/why/when direct gov’t research (not feeding well-connected so-called research firms) can serve the greater good of the country.

Unfortunately, your diatribe so far precludes that conversation. When you are ready to discuss things you attribute to me that I’ve actually said, and when you wish an issues-oriented conversation, give me a call. We then will proceed

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Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-18 12:47:23

OK so you weren’t laughing but it seems sarcasm becomes you. I may have misunderstood your intentions when you posted that poke at that doofus Biden because I missed the ones you posted about the Bush guys.
Let’s debate something.
Question 1: Do you support tariffs to protect domestic markets? If yes, then would you support using them as a economic weapon to destroy foreign competition? My answer is a qualified “yes”. I would still support free trade between countries that share physical borders. Everybody else gets a stiff import duty.

Question 2: If we absolutely can’t prevent corruption of the government grant and loan programs regardless of the industry involved would you support a 1 to 5 year moratorium and just cut everything to zero. Think of it as a modified form of creative destruction. If any industries survive after that they can re-apply. My thoughts would be qualified. If the US GDP % is greater than the 10 year yield then cut them ALL off (medical/energy/weapons systems/biotech/education). But if GDP is less that the 10yr bond then the Government should help defend our critical industries to maintain the industrial base till growth resumes.

I will now meditate on why you chose to use the nickname evildoc.

 
Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 13:16:32

—Bluestar: OK so you weren’t laughing but it seems sarcasm becomes you—–

Again, with the Telepath. I wonder how you would know sarcasm becomes me, since I’ve posted none. Again, you distract with the personal, fail to address me in an issues-oriented fashion, and lose the point of the discussion.

—Bluestar—-I may have misunderstood your intentions when you posted that poke at that doofus Biden because I missed the ones you posted about the Bush guys.—–

Straw Man.

— Bluestar— Let’s debate something.—-

No. Your entire approach in this conversation has been hostile and personal. I don’t feel like playing 20 questions with you, with multiple if-then’s you’ve set up purely by your own caprice.

—Bluestar—I will now meditate on why you chose to use the nickname evildoc—–

Verily, meditation might help you to find your center, and to contemplate posting issues oriented content, rather than posting straw men, responding to things never actually said, engaging in “telepathy” and posting your if-then game.

Another time and/or with another player, I will discuss approaches to energy research.

Cheers.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 13:32:02

“…why you chose to use the nickname evildoc.”

Apparently because it becomes him.

 
Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 15:40:12

Hey, Stucco.

Do share with the Board why you would call me a Nazi.

Invoking Godwin’s Law this fast?

You waste the Board’s time posting “troll” to people who post arguments you cannot beat, and once you find you are beaten, you retreat to yelling “Nazi”.

I do thank you. You are source of merriment for me. HBB is lucky to have in one fellow, a sad fellow who cries “troll” AND “Nazi”.

I can see why the DNC would want you ;)

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 19:44:29

Something about that moniker naturally brings Nazi doctors to mind.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-09-18 20:24:03

Narcissistic Personality Disorder alert!

 
Comment by Robin
2011-09-18 21:24:29

I, for one, looked forward to the witty banter injected regularly in any and all discussions, memes, or threads by Get Stucco.

Somehow lost or morphed. Sad - :(

 
 
Comment by Robin
2011-09-18 21:16:41

Since I currently get less than 1% on savings, I mentally bought First Solar a year ago. Tracked it daily, kicked myself in the butt (difficult ala Twister) and congratulate myself for not pouncing because now the the price is in the low $90s.

I think I read on this blog that the cost of solar (incentives aside) are down 17% YOY.

Idealist brain said, “go for it” last year, while pragmatic brain said, “track it and wait for it”.

Turns out Germany and Italy were throwing subsidies at the industry as fast as we were. Glad I waited.

Competition is good! (for some) - :)

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Comment by ahansen
2011-09-18 09:25:36

After over a century of redistributing our money to the oil industry (how many dry wells did Arbusto come up with again…?) I, for one, am delighted to see it being redistributed to sustainable energy research and development.

Who knows? The next George W. Bush may be out there sucking up energy subsidies at this very moment!

Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 10:32:58

—-I, for one, am delighted to see it being redistributed to sustainable energy research and development. —–

As the above quote was posted in response to the Solyndra debacle, I will take risk of assuming it was meant in support of the current gov’t approach to green energy research, and thus will disagree with it as will follow. If this was just a general expression of support that researching renewable energy is a good thing, then the following is irrelevant…

I find this (the quote) a diversion from the issue at hand. While I I agree/concede/hope and believe that people in general feel that exploring sustainable energy (with R & D) is a good thing in the general sense, that is really not the debate in play with Solydra.

The “heads might roll” defect here is not an issue about whether it is good to R & D sustainable energy. It is about political cronyism, poor use of central planning, and possible criminal activity, for a project sanctioned by the current administration as the “second coming” so to speak. Biden’s speech can be youtubed i believe, though i don’t post links here as they seem to get the posts caught up in the blogging gears.

I believe in (i won’t just say “There is” in case some disagree) a role for direct or sponsored governmental, non-private-sector, research at times. We’ve had gov’t driven research projects before (mostly military) and gov’t plays a direct role in medical research, often in a good way.

The money being tossed about for green energy now (rumor has it more bad companies waiting in wings… time will tell) appears not to have the typical grant-review process of medical research, appears to involve a great deal of political force.

Even if it is a good thing to research sustainable energy, doing it haphazardly and indeed possibly with criminal elements, is not the way to go. Perhaps it is time for the US Gov’t to establish its own research wing for this (yeah, I know the risks). The Manhattan Project was gov’t project. It worked

Comment by ahansen
2011-09-18 10:56:03

Sarcasm. It’s what’s for lunch.

Lighten up a bit, evil. Life’s more fun that way….

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-18 09:43:18

Fake and $ub$idized [4* Trillion U$ citizen/taxpayer$ dollar$ Military War] industry = ma$$ive government debt = no jobs when the money runs out MegaCorpInc.’$ take their MegaCorpInc. Profit$ and $afely disappear in plain sight = still falling housing prices [for peon-workers that they don't give a chit about.] ;-)

*(x4 Trillion$$$$$$$$$$ is a low-co$t e$timate)
Yesterday a story about a pentagon expert who claims that after 10 years of “boom-boom-bang-bang-your-all-Islamic-Democratic-consumers-now” that there are lots & lots of broken/damaged low-co$t military equipment that will need to be quickly replaced with shiny new inventorie$.

They’re the $uffering $o’s. Cinder$ & Ashe$, Agonie$ & Pain$… Help ‘em!

“…if you tax them less, they can hire more people.”

Here’s a political cartoon that illustrates a Cheney-$hrub $hadow Legacy inconvenient truth:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YWn2qsk7PhY/TWPmMcm7XBI/AAAAAAAABz4/Ptpt7l3paVI/s1600/9-8-War-Profiteering.jpg

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-09-18 21:36:37

What percentage is 500 million of one TRILLION?

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-18 05:32:18

GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul wins California straw poll

cnn

“Texas Rep. Ron Paul won a California straw poll, the state Republican Party announced in a statement Saturday night. A total of 833 ballots were cast during the straw poll, the statement said.

Paul won with 44.9% of the votes, Texas Gov. Rick Perry came in second with 29.3% of the votes, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney came in third with 8.8% of the votes. The California Republican Party, associated members and registered guests were allowed to vote in the straw poll, according to the statement. ”

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I know there are a lot of Paul lovers out there, but I’m not sure he’s electable. All he needs to do is go into debates and start ripping unconstitutional claptrap like SS and Medicare and any other post 1800 invention, like penicillin, and Obama will look like “the devil you know.”

Comment by palmetto
2011-09-18 06:57:30

“but I’m not sure he’s electable.”

Yeah, that’s the TPTB party line. This tells me that Ron Paul is absolutely electable, whereas before I was saying “stick a fork in him, he’s done”. And may I remind you that he voted AGAINST the war in Iraq. Given the climate of the times, that was indeed a brave thing to do.

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-09-18 09:14:54

Obama also voted against the Iraq war…that won’t distinguish him.

I don’t think Perry is electable (too cowboy), I would be concerned if Paul got the nomination…can Romney win?

Comment by rms
2011-09-18 09:32:50

A former and popular war general who belongs to neither party will rise to the oval office on the independent platform, but it won’t be this election; things aren’t bad enough yet.

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Comment by MightyMike
2011-09-18 09:48:26

I don’t think Perry is electable (too cowboy)…

Is he actually more cownoy than G. W. Bush? The economy is so lousy that the Republicans can nominate almost anyone and still win. Perry is not too right-wing to be elected president in 2012.

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Comment by scdave
2011-09-18 10:38:52

Perry is not too right-wing to be elected president in 2012 ??

He will alienate so many people (Particularly Women) by election day it will be a easy win for Obama…

 
Comment by MightyMike
2011-09-18 10:52:01

I don’t think that he’s much more right-wing than Bush was. His views on some things may alienate people. However, many of those same people will blame Obama forthe miserable economy and then stay home on Election Day.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 13:43:31

“cownoy”

Gittin closer. How’s about ‘cowannoy’?

 
 
 
Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 09:24:12

Well, no. The question is not so black and white. Following the sheep often fails, agreed, but being part of the “nonconformists union” has its own challenges.

Anyone who meets criteria by law is, i suppose, electable. The question is… what are our assessments of probability of election. Thus, the MSM might be wrong about absolute statements of unelectability (he meets the requirements to run, so there always is some chance), but even if he is “absolutely electable”, what then are the chances of actually being elected. And there lies the challenge of analysis.

Note, I have not offered an assessment of likelihood here. Just figure we should define some terms and then dive in.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-18 10:18:07

Anyone who meets criteria by law is, i suppose, electable

Sept 18th 2011…: ;-)

The Birth Certificate! Where’s that damn real Kenyan-Indonesian-Hawaiian Birth Certificate!

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Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 10:53:06

I see the smiley, but, just in case, for those who might not be certain, note my post had nothing to do with the current gov’t.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-09-18 12:49:23

Get ready to say it come January 20, 2013: “President Hillary Clinton.”

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-18 10:26:34

Palmy, I can’t agree.

Paul is gaining traction because people like libertarian views. But once the people figure out that “libertarian” is a fancy word for “no government cheese for you!”,* I think the people will change their tune. Especially when that cheese is Medicare (drugs), Medicaid (nursing home), Social Security, farm subsidies, and the many MANY jobs that are paid for by government, from radar designers to school librarians.**

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*The R’s have been carefully messaging to prevent people from making this realization, by convincing the sheeple that it’s always someone else who getting the cheese (welfare queens and the like). Paul is actuallys serious.
** Are public schools in the constitution? And don’t expect “vouchers” for private school.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2011-09-18 07:31:52

the state Republican Party announced in a statement Saturday night. A total of 833 ballots were cast during the straw poll ??

And after Bush/Cheney, that’s about how many registered republicans remain in this state…

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-09-18 09:16:15

I didn’t participate in the straw poll…make that 834.

I remained on the R side of the table and didn’t go independent just so I could vote in the R primary.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-09-18 07:37:08

I used to think Ron Paul wasn’t electable either….until I started noticing him at the top of more and more polls. The guy is definitely gaining momentum. The problem is these polls record the opinion of active voters. We all know the passive feel good types allow themselves to be swayed by emotional waves of advertising that have nothing to do w/reality. And we can already tell by the media response to Paul that there will be an army of negative media warfare aimed against him once he looks like a contender.

To date, I think they were hoping he’d stay off most sheeple’s radar. But by the looks of his improving numbers we should start seeing the first salvo in 3….2……1….

Comment by ahansen
2011-09-18 09:44:51

Assuming Paul was elected, one can only imagine the absolute gridlock in D.C. when he got to office. Look at the stalemate we have with a right-of-center President and a right-of-rational Congress today.

With Paul’s proposed reorganization of America’s established in$titutions, there would be civil war within a season– if not a world war with the rest of the planet.

It’s not that Paul is not capable of garnering the votes, it’s that he’s not capable of co-opting the oligarchy that controls The Party, thus the media, thus the incurious masses. That honor belongs, (and has always belonged,) to Mitt Romney.

Personally, I’d love to see Paul run with Bernie Sanders. Now THERE’S a ticket I could get behind.

Comment by CrackerJim
2011-09-18 11:54:45

“Look at the stalemate we have with a right-of-center President …”

Right-of-center president? Where is the center in your assessment?

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Comment by ahansen
2011-09-18 15:55:36

Me.

 
 
 
 
Comment by SV guy
2011-09-18 09:52:46

RP is my guy.

Comment by Müggy
2011-09-18 10:21:34

My only objection to RP is his stance on education. And no, it’s not because I am in education. It’s because I believe in education for everyone.

We still basically have a separate/unequal education system. Can you imagine what it would be like with no regulation?

Unless water fountains for colored folk are expressions of freedom.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-09-18 11:18:59

Well gansta rap is an expression of freedom and dammm expensive lockin them up….so its it Good?

unless water fountains for colored folk are expressions of freedom.

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Comment by Müggy
2011-09-18 11:35:52

What does gangsta rap have to do with the Constitutionality of educating all citizens?

 
Comment by Müggy
2011-09-18 13:12:38

“educating all citizens?”

18 and under!

Whew.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-09-18 16:29:24

Well making them fodder for the criminal justice system is NOT my idea of the public educational system doing an excellent job…..

unless your a racist….then its all good.

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-09-19 00:00:07

“them?”

 
 
 
 
Comment by Overtaxed
2011-09-18 10:16:21

I really like RP, and hope that he can get the bid. Tell you what, if he get’s commericals like this out there in the public eye (IE, during “Dancing with The Stars”), he’s going to have a heck of a chance.

The commercial gives me goosebumps..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pChzOaIeyxY

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-09-18 05:40:54

Back in the “bad old days” ie - in the 1990s or before:

1. 20% was the rule - no 20% down meant no loan
2. Banks really looked at debt/income ratios - too much debt meant no loan
3. You had to prove you had a job (lots of check stubs plus documentation from your employer) - no job meant no loan
4. Banks usually kept the loans on their books – so they watched them carefully
5. If a bank had too many non-performing loans - the bank manager got fired.

And it worked pretty well. Foreclosures were very rare. Housing increased (if you were lucky) just barely ahead of the inflation rate

Then the government got involved in the process (to make things “fair” or to buy votes)…

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This Rule Could Really Kill the Housing Market (Dodd-Frank Provision)
Fiscal Times | 09/15/2011 | Rob Garver

Of the many financial reforms in Dodd-Frank, a requirement that lenders retain a share of the risk in mortgages they sell to investors seemed like a no-brainer. If lenders were on the hook, too, the thinking went, they would tighten standards and avoid the kind of defaults that contributed to the collapse of the housing market and the financial crisis.

But now that a rule to implement this provision has been written, critics say the requirement will make it so hard to get a mortgage that it will further depress the housing market and undercut a struggling economy. “I’ve been in this business 32 years and I have never seen guidelines as tight as they are now,” said Scott Eggen, senior vice president for capital markets with PrimeLending, a mortgage lending subsidiary of Dallas-based Plains Capital Corp.

“The proposal as introduced will literally erase a decade of accomplishment in defining what is a responsible loan,” said David Berenbaum, chief program officer with the Coalition, an advocacy group for community organizations that support affordable housing and equal access to credit. “It is going to narrow the range of loans that lenders are willing to originate to the point that only consumers with the best credit scores—meaning white and affluent consumers—are going to get loans.”

During the housing bubble of the last decade, lenders to marginal borrowers could quickly offload the risk of default by selling the loans to third parties that packaged mortgages into securities. When those borrowers couldn’t make their payments, the value of the securities tanked. To create an incentive for more prudent underwriting, the Dodd-Frank financial-reform act directed regulators to issue rules requiring mortgage lenders to retain no less than five percent of the risk associated with loans they sell.

Regulators defined qualifying residential mortgages very conservatively, requiring a 20 percent down payment, caps on a borrower’s debt-to-income ratio, restrictions on loan terms, and other limits designed to restrict the number of loans that would qualify for the exemption.

The real problem, he said, was the proliferation of “exotic” loans that allowed borrowers to defer principal payments, such as interest-only loans, and others that were structured to allow lower payments but the principal balance increased over time. “About half of those exotic loans went into default during the economic crisis,” said Feltner.

Comment by salinasron
2011-09-18 07:08:37

““About half of those exotic loans went into default during the economic crisis,” said Feltner.”

What about all those loans where the low income buyer was given a huge loan, two in fact, a first and a second at the same time to avert paying PMI because the buyer didn’t have the 20% down? What about the “affordable housing loans” that put a $30,000 field hand into a $500K to $700K 3500 sq.ft. house?

And Mr. Feltner, what is the risk to you or penalty to you for making substandard loans? Are you ready to risk going to prison?

 
Comment by scdave
2011-09-18 07:34:10

3. You had to prove you had a job (lots of check stubs plus documentation from your employer) - no job meant no loan ??

What if your self employed sole proprietor ??

Comment by 2banana
2011-09-18 09:14:39

What if your self employed sole proprietor ??

Used to be very hard to get a loan. You had to show documentation going back several years of an income stream and lots of money saved in the back.

It could be done - but you had to prove it.

Comment by Müggy
2011-09-18 10:15:01

I “owned” from 2003-05 — 2br. condo I paid $58k for. I purchased it while I was an independent contractor. I showed two years of tax returns and had $30k in the bank.

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Comment by scdave
2011-09-18 10:43:08

You had to show documentation going back several years of an income stream and lots of money saved ??

Yep….And much harder today….

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 08:13:47

1. 20% was the rule - no 20% down meant no loan

Balderdash. You could get a loan (non FHA) for less than 20% down. I did, twice in fact. The first purchase was an FHA condo (3% down) in 1988. It appreciated and we sold it after a year and bought a house with 10% down (non FHA loan). Of course you had to pay PMI.

4. Banks usually kept the loans on their books – so they watched them carefully

My mortgage was sold twice in the early 90’s.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-09-18 09:04:41

The point is that in the past loans that were under 20 percent down were insured and had to pass the underwriting of the
PMI Company . Some Big Banks were self insured and held the
loans on their books and were seasoned ( held for 2 to 4 years ) and than they were sold .

Risk was weighed in a proper manner until the big Ponzi Scheme
between 2000 and 2007 where the idea became that wealth could be created by the investment and never mind the loan risk .

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 09:47:49

Oh, I agree that there were some standards back then, but the statement that “no 20% down, no loan” was simply untrue.

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Comment by 2banana
2011-09-18 09:12:11

FHA loans came with lots of strings with them back in the day.

More fees
A slightly higher interest rate
Hard home inspections in which the seller was forced to fix at his/her own cost
AND
A very LOW limit on the max amount they would lend.

Most people stayed away from them as they could get a better loan at the bank. Many sellers would not even entertain a FHA (or VA) offer. Especially in higher cost areas like the NE or CA. They worked better in low cost areas like FL.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 09:52:16

It wasn’t that hard to qualify. Granted it was a condo and it was new and the builder made so that they would qualify for FHA. But we really didn’t have to jump through all that many hoops.

“Most people stayed away from them as they could get a better loan at the bank.”

Yes and no. The interest rate was a little bit higher, but back then banks did want at least 10% down (some were doing 5%, but they made you jump through hoops and the PMI was huge). Once we sold the condo and got some equity out of it we did put 10% down on the next shack.

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Comment by ahansen
2011-09-19 00:07:22

Also, had to be a veteran.
Had to be your first house. Ever.
Had to have 10% in savings. Over 6 months in the account.
Had to be <30% of your last three years income as verified by tax return.

Oh, and couldn’t be over 259K

This was in 1984. Ironically enough.

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Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 09:33:17

“The proposal as introduced will literally erase a decade of accomplishment in defining what is a responsible loan,” said David Berenbaum, chief program officer with the Coalition, an advocacy group for community organizations that support affordable housing and equal access to credit. “It is going to narrow the range of loans that lenders are willing to originate to the point that only consumers with the best credit scores—meaning white and affluent consumers—are going to get loans.”

Oy. Don’t get me started. That fellow’s claims regarding “only affluent white” are sad. Already he speaks in racist manner, while thinking he is combating racism.

I agree with Banana, as I guess most here would. Putting aside “race”, it is overwhelmingly clear that there are reasons the longstanding old style of loan qualification existed. Dumping that, we proved we could “get people into houses”, but we have proven we cannot keep them there.

Even if one wished to construe prudent lending standards as racism (yeah, right), we have not done well in combatting racism by turning minority renters (so unfair to be a renter!) into minority foreclosees.

Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-18 13:55:13

I bought my first house with a FHA loan in 1979. Back then mortgages were transferable and I got it at 7% when the going rate was over 12%. That used to be a big selling point. I had 10% down but had to take PMI to close the deal.
I also remember when the MID started I did the calculation and realized it was just a gimmick to inflate housing prices.
Correlation is not causation but in 1980 financial services made up 15% of GDP, by 2010 that was up to 30%. I often wonder in the theory of capitalism has a do-not-exceed ratio of financial elites to everyone else?

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2011-09-18 05:43:43

I must say, reading the bits bucket yesterday with all the sniping and name calling back and forth about RNC and DNC trolls, was a bit disheartening. And btw, that’s EXACTLY what TPTB wants people to do, fight amongst themselves.

Comment by combotechie
2011-09-18 05:47:51

Divide and conquer - then quitely slip in aspects of one’s agenda.

Comment by palmetto
2011-09-18 05:55:37

Exactly, combo, that’s how it works. I read other blogs or comment sections on various subjects. This blog has some of the most intelligent, thoughtful commenters I’ve read, even if I disagree or have formed an opinion about the poster. The level of discourse here is far superior to much of what I’ve read and I hate to see it degenerate. Ever read some of the comments on a local news story? Jeebus. It’s like Beavis and Butthead, only some of those folks are serious and that’s what scares me.

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-09-18 05:57:21

A problem with living in a world of labels (i.e liberal or conservative) is that one must choose what catagory -which label - to file a particular position or point of view under.

But if one avoids labels altogether then one frees himself from thinking in terms of catagories and looks at each issue as something seperate from all other issues.

The PTB manipulators love labels because then they can label issues and then trash the labels. Associating a position with a label then trashing the label indirectly trashes the position.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:53:34

I’m planning to try my best today to stay above the fray and ignore the RNC termites that occasionally climb out of the woodwork to show up here.

Comment by bananarama
2011-09-18 07:31:32

Your right Cantankerous, IED!

I’m also planning to try my best to stay above the fray and ignore the DNC coachroaches that occassionally climb out the woodwork to show up here.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 08:38:56

Great! If we are both vigilant, I’m sure we can elevate the level of discussion here to avoid talking about political scumbags.

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Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 09:38:32

—-political scumbags.—–

It uses mindless ad hominem insult, lacking ability to generate issues-oriented argumentation. It thus invalidates anything it subsequently has to say.

As a great physician once said, “I see the Klingon’s lips move, but no sound emerges”

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-18 10:32:52

Occasionally?? :razz:

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Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 09:37:27

—RNC termites —-

It uses mindless ad hominem insult, lacking ability to generate issues-oriented argumentation. It thus invalidates anything it subsequently has to say.

As a great physician once said, “I see the Klingon’s lips move, but no sound emerges”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 10:33:27

It uses repetition who cannot come up with an original thought.

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Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 10:37:46

—-It uses repetition who cannot come up with an original thought.—-

Show me any repetition that came up with any thought. Geez… learn to write a sentence.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Jojo
2011-09-18 07:06:18

Yes, you’re right. For some reason, otherwise intelligent people turn into brain dead zombies when it comes to politics, which is of course exactly what the politicians want. Come on people, THINK. Both parties despise you and want you to fight each other whilst they steal your money. Don’t fall for it.

Comment by palmetto
2011-09-18 07:20:01

“Come on people, THINK. Both parties despise you and want you to fight each other whilst they steal your money. Don’t fall for it.”

Testify!

 
 
Comment by salinasron
2011-09-18 07:14:43

I agree, but I think we are starting to see some of the pressure surrounding some of the bloggers starting to spill over. Things are unfolding slowly, while in the past things just seemed to bounce back quickly. You can turn off the electronics but you still live among people losing their job, retirements, houses, cars, and heavens above–cannot go on big shopping sprees.

 
Comment by bigguy
2011-09-18 07:35:44

Frankly, I thought we had all long ago agreed. They’re all crooked. If the events of the last 5 years don’t establish this to people, nothing will.

 
Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 09:35:59

I concur. I note that every exchange was started by one person on this board. I recognize I responded, each time with a “sigh” to indicate both sarcasm and dismay. Looking at the responses, I believe people caught my point ;)

Do watch to see the one person crying “Troll” each day.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 10:36:32

Don’t behave like a troll, and I won’t call you on it. Deal or no deal?

Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 10:39:34

As a great physician once said, “I see the Klingon’s lips move, but no sound emerges”

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Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 10:43:41

As a great physician once said, “I see the Klingon’s lips move, but no sound emerges”. Really.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 11:05:00

You are repeating yourself again.

 
Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 11:17:14

And you notice. And that is sweeeet.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-18 14:42:35

Troll

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Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 16:52:19

—Troll—

It uses mindless ad hominem insult, lacking ability to generate issues-oriented argumentation. It thus invalidates anything it subsequently has to say.

As a great physician once said, “I see the Klingon’s lips move, but no sound emerges”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 19:38:36

“As a great physician once said…”

As Goebbels could have told you, repetition is the mother of propaganda.

 
 
 
 
Comment by SV guy
2011-09-18 10:05:00

I agree Palmy. All the bickering brought back memories of Aladinsane getting run out of here.

Same few characters too.

Maybe Ben could expand the site with a HBB/High School chat room forum?

I vote that everybody checks their political party pom-poms at the door as both sides are a waste of space imo.

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-09-18 10:09:38

Troll troll alert!

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 11:06:49

I’m starting to think that troll bashing is a bad idea. It actually seems to only encourage them!

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-18 16:49:26

How easily we forget the mantra of “don’t feed the troll”. Here he is after ignoring him for a day. http://tinyurl.com/3d8lfgu

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 19:40:19

That is a fantastically apt description if ever there was one!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 05:43:57

As leaders meet in Europe, crisis remains largely unchanged
Marketplace Morning Report, Friday, September 16, 2011

After growing fears this week about a Greek default, leaders today are now saying there is reason to still have confidence in the financial system. But has anything really changed?

Jeremy Hobson: U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner is in Poland this morning at a meeting with European finance ministers, trying to boost confidence in Europe and its financial system. The news so far is that we’ll have to wait until October to find out if Greece will get its next round of bailout money.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 05:47:49

Has Uncle Sam been cut out of the BRICS deal?

Developing BRICS countries less affected by European downturn

Marketplace Morning Report, Friday, September 16, 2011

The global economy we live with today means that when Europe hurts, we all hurt. But developing nations like Brazil are hit much less hard these days than the U.S.

The BBC’s Paolo Cabral is with us now from Sao Paolo, Brazil. Paolo, good morning.

Paolo Cabral: Hello there.

Chiotakis: So how is Brazil looking at all this turmoil in Europe? What happens in Europe certainly is going to have an effect on the BRICS developing nations, right?

Cabral: Certainly. Brazil is looking with concern to the financial turmoil hitting Europe and the United States, because everything is connected nowadays. But it must be said, it doesn’t have impact in Brazil as strong as it would have had 10 or 15 years ago because Brazil has diversified its straight partners, its straight relations. Just an example — China took over the position of the United States as the main trading partner of Brazil some two years ago. And so, nowadays Brazil sells its commodities to China. So in the past we’d say that whenever Europe or the United States sneezed, Brazil would have pneumonia. That doesn’t happen anymore.

Comment by Jojo
2011-09-18 07:16:20

Most HBBers are convinced, wrongly, that the Chinese economy is dependent on exports to the US. Those exports, as a proportion of GDP, started declining over 10 years ago and even then were not as important (because a lot of export value was re-exported imported components) as people like to think.

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-09-18 09:19:35

China is on the cusp of becoming a consumer society. Their housing bubble is evidence of that…

2011-09-18 09:38:21

Sorry, the Chinese economic bubble is much more likely to collapse than to actually have a consumer society.

One involves changing the mindset of TWO generations, the other involves the destruction of massive amounts of debt.

Guess which one is easier!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT. Go back to the start, and DO NOT collect $200.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 10:37:36

Bingo!

BwahAhAhAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAAAAHAHHHAAHAHAAAAA!!!!

(Sorry for the mindless mimicry — it seemed called for in this case.)

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 09:55:35

“China is on the cusp of becoming a consumer society.”

Not likely, given that only the managerial class lives a middle class lifestyle. Those unfortunate enought to be Foxconn type serfs won’t be consuming a whole lot, especially once they lose their jobs as exports to the west decline.

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Comment by oxide
2011-09-18 10:40:44

Rental watch, no country turns into a consumer socity without a safety net. Chinese workers are buying homes at 54x income,soon they all have aging parents to take care of with no siblings to help, and they have to think of their own retirement. One, probably two, of those things are going to give.

Nor can they try the American method of extend and pretend — if they print their own yuan, the value goes way down and there’s no advantage to Chinese labor. Multinationals will pull out quicker than you can say “quarterly earnings.”

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-09-18 12:16:28

“if they print their own yuan, the value goes way down and there’s no advantage to Chinese labor.”

You got that backwards, oxide. If they stopped manipulating their currency, and let it appreciate, then they would lose some of their competitive advantage. That is why they manipulate it.

Conversely, if the value of the yuan were to go “way down”, multinationals would have even MORE incentive to move jobs to China.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 05:51:33

Phil Angelides on the Lehman Brothers collapse
Marketplace Morning Report, Thursday, September 15, 2011

The bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers three years later: What have we learned? Phil Angelides, former chairman of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, talks about the financial crisis of 2008.

Steve Chiotakis: Three years ago today, an investment bank called Lehman Brothers filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. While the global financial system was already cracked by then, Lehman’s undoing was a big jolt that sent Wall Street bankers scrambling for help.

Phil Angelides chaired the Congressional panel called the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission and he’s with us now. Thanks for being with us.

Phil Angelides: Good morning. Good to be with you.

Chiotakis: Three years from the banking collapse, and it seems like the recovery’s sort of stalled. As far as the financial system goes — and how that relates to people like you and me — where are we?

Angelides: Well that’s been the remarkable fallout from this financial crisis. It is three years ago today that Lehman Brothers filed bankruptcy, Bank of America acquired Merrill Lynch. On the next day, AIG got its first bailout of $85 billion. By the end of the week three years ago, the U.S. government had waded in with a proposed $700 billion bailout of the banks. And what we saw three years ago was that finally the recklessness on Wall Street, the regulatory neglect in Washington, took their toll.

What’s been quite striking, though, is that there’s been very little consequence for Wall Street while the rest of the nation has suffered. We’ve got 24 million people out of work, can’t find full-time work. American families have lost $9 trillion in household wealth and retirement savings. But meanwhile, Wall Street’s barely skipped a beat. Compensation was at record levels in 2010 — $135 billion at publicly traded Wall Street firms.

And the top ten banks in this country today now have more power, more assets than ever before. They control 77 percent of the country’s banking assets. Last year they have $62 billion in profits. So it’s quite a remarkable story — a sad story — here about how Wall Street survived and thrived, and the rest of the country has suffered greatly.

Chiotakis: I know one of the goals of your commission was to find ways to make the financial system work for everyday folks. How much progress has been made on that front?

Angelides: Well — not enough, by any means. And I think you put it well because I think what we really need in this country is a financial system that’s not the master of our economy, but the servant of our economy.

You know, in many ways over the last two or three decades in this country, the financial sector became the dominant force in our economy. In 1980, 15 percent of the corporate profits in this country came from the financial sector. By the mid-2000s, that was over 30 percent. The amount of financial debt in this country soared from $3 trillion to $36 trillion.

We became very much a economy that was about money making money, versus an economy where our financial system deployed capital, undertook lending to create jobs and wealth for the American people and the American economy. And on that big score, very little has changed since the financial meltdown of 2008.

Comment by ahansen
2011-09-18 10:20:11

The same Phil Angelides whose real estate development corporations are responsible for the ill-built sprawl that litters the Sacramento Delta and Valley, having failed in his attempts to get the State of California to pay for re-doing the infrastructure for him, and succeeded in getting the State of California to offer 12K subsidies (on top of the 8K federal subsidies,) to induce people to BUY said ill-built housing, is now spearheading the movement to get banks to “take responsibility” for lending to the people who bought them?

Sweet.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 05:53:13

Why you should care about Greece’s potential default
By Stephen Beard Marketplace, Wednesday, September 14, 2011

If European countries aren’t able to repay loans, it affects Americans in a variety of ways, from the value of the dollar to the worth of our investment funds.
Greece

Kai Ryssdal: As of the latest on the foreign exchange markets today, 8 billion euros works out to about $11 billion. That’s how much the Greek government’s due to get from the European Union bailout fund come the end of the month. It’ll keep Athens solvent and — the theory goes — keep Europe from a Lehman-like crisis.

Tonight Germany’s Angela Merkel and French president Nicolas Sarkozy got off a conference call with George Papandreou — he’s the prime minister of Greece — and said Greece remains an integral part of the eurozone. U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said this morning on CNBC there’s not a chance the E.U.’s going to let the Greeks default.

We asked Marketplace’s Stephen Beard to follow up on our story yesterday, and explain why a tiny little country in a far off corner of southeastern Europe is so important.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 08:17:06

Greece is the loose thread on the sweater that you want to pull on, but you know what will happen if you do.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 05:54:41

Euro crisis reaching a crescendo
Marketplace, Monday, September 12, 2011

The euro could collapse or Germany could bail out debt-ridden eurozone nations. Europe correspondent Stephen Beard discusses the eurozone’s options.

A general view of Athens with the Acropolis Hill in the background. (Louisa Gouliamaki/AFP/Getty Images)

Kai Ryssdal: Today’s update on the European debt crisis goes a little something like this: Greece is in trouble, and the Germans don’t really want to pay for another bailout. That’s an oversimplification, to be sure, but not much of one. The slightly longer version goes like this: People are slowly coming to grips with the fact that Athens might actually default, sooner rather than later. And that big banks in France, Germany, and right here, are dangerously exposed to it.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-09-18 07:13:03

Sounds like a parallel to our “Millionaire tax” coming up. The haves get strongarmed by the have-nots. Cutting back by the have-nots is incredibly not even an option.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 08:21:28

Sounds like a parallel to our “Millionaire tax” coming up

You mean where capital gains are taxed like regular income? Ain’t gonna happen in the “land of the free”. Paying income taxes is for the little people. And that includes six figure income worker bees, from the Davos crowd’s perspective they’re also serfs.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2011-09-18 10:00:41

Cutting back by the have-nots is incredibly not even an option.

That’s just a simple statement of fact, isn’t it?

Comment by liz pendens
2011-09-18 10:05:11

I meant the OPM they keep giving to them to wildly consume.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 14:07:22

You mean the $400 a month SNAP payments that are given to families of 4? Yeah, you can really whoop it up on those mac-n-cheese and bologna sandwich dinners.

 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-09-18 15:54:22

I’m glad you see it too. Add in the UE for all four plus the rent and utility subsidy and that family is living large for sure. Don’t forget free Obamacare that you and I don’t have.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-09-18 18:50:48

If it’s such a great gig, why don’t you try it?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-09-18 21:46:45

I’d LOVE to see that!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 05:55:46

With Greece in trouble yet again, the euro loses value
Marketplace Morning Report, Monday, September 12, 2011

Greece’s financial troubles have left the euro zone shaky for months now. But are we prepared for the worst case scenario?
A Greek man protests against austerity measures.

A demonstrator holds a Greek flag on September 10, 2011 during a protest in Thessaloniki. (SAKIS MITROLIDIS/AFP/Getty Images)

Jeremy Hobson: Global stock markets are way down this morning because of new fears over the stability of the Eurozone. And the worries can be traced to Athens, where a national default is looking like more of a possibility. There’s reluctance from Germany to step in again with another bailout of Greece. And the health of big European banks is in question because of their exposure to Greek debt.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 05:57:05

The Government Bailout

Get a closer look at the government financial bailout

Comment by liz pendens
2011-09-18 07:15:05

I see where you are getting your late-night post fodder. Good site.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 13:40:00

Actually I just found this site this morning. Normally I just enter “robo-signing,” “foreclosure,” “Greek debt crisis,” “housing prices,” “bailouts” or whatever strikes my fancy at the moment on the Google subject line and see what the cat drags in.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:00:02

History of U.S. Gov’t Bailouts
Updated: April 15, 2009 12:02 pm EDT

With the flurry of recent government bailouts, we decided to try to put them in perspective. The circles below represent the size of U.S. government bailout, calculated in 2008 dollars. They are also in chronological order. Our chart focuses on U.S. government bailouts of U.S. corporations (and one city). We have not included instances where the U.S. government aided other nations.

Check out how the Treasury did in the end after initial government outlays. Also, check out our ultimate bailout guide. We’re tracking every taxpayer dollar, every recipient and every program in the current financial crisis. All searchable – and translated into English.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:01:17

Special Report The Rescue
CNNMoney.com’s bailout tracker

The government is engaged in a far-reaching - and expensive - effort to rescue the economy. Here’s how you can keep tabs on the bailouts.
By David Goldman, CNNMoney.com staff writer

Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-09-18 09:29:17

Looks like about 14 trillion ,but that doesn’t include low interest
rate loss and the war on savors and the war on retirement assets .

THis doesn’t include loss of wealth on the stock market because of the crisis
or the loss to families on real estate values crashing .

Add to this the loss of jobs ,and to the degree that people had to dip into savings and 401k’s and young people being denied new
jobs or they have been delayed in getting new jobs and the loss
is straggering and the bail-outs are a lot more than claimed .

 
 
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Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 08:04:58

We all know that bail outs aren’t for the little people, even though aNYdj keeps asking for his CC debt to be forgiven.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-09-18 21:48:16

Damn overpaid union workers and welfare queens!

Oh wait…

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:15:15

Europeans leave summit with no new strategy to deal with continent’s debt crisis

View Photo Gallery —  European leaders are at a crossroads: They must pull closer together or risk the euro currency project falling apart.

By Michael Birnbaum, Published: September 17

BERLIN — European officials ended a two-day financial summit Saturday with no new concrete plans to help support euro-area countries that are having difficulty repaying their debts, as deep divisions remained about the best course for the coming weeks and months.

On Saturday, the officials discussed but failed to agree on a proposal to tax financial transactions. Greece is likely to run out of cash by mid-October if it does not receive billions of euros of bailout money, potentially setting off a financial contagion that could hop from bank to bank and country to country.

But European officials remain undecided on whether Greece has done enough of the spending cuts and reforms that it had promised to carry out as a condition of taking the money.

Officials said Friday that a decision on Greece would probably wait until early October, disappointing investors who had hoped for earlier certainty about what could happen to the country’s debts. Markets closed up for the week as fears eased about an imminent Greek default.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 08:23:40

Realistically, what could they do besides forgiving Greece its debts? But if they do that … well … everyone else is gonna wanna get a free cookie too.

And banksters don’t make money by forgiving debts.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-09-18 06:21:31

Can’t afford the cost of the house
Can’t afford the taxes
Can’t afford the utility bills

This new green economy is working out great…

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Crippling family energy bills are your own fault, says UK Energy Secretary Chris Huhne
UK Mail | 18th September 2011 | By Glen Owen and Jonathan Petre

Utility price rises have pushed the average household energy bill to almost £1,300 a year, partly driven – as critics pointed out yesterday – by ‘green’ taxes imposed by Mr Huhne’s department.

The stealth levies, introduced to fund Britain’s investment in wind and solar power, are costing families an average of £200 a year – two-thirds of the amount the Cabinet Minister said they should be able to save.

This represents an increase of between 15 and 20 per cent on the average domestic power bill. The money is being used to help fund the building of 10,000 wind turbines and the proposed installation of £7 billion worth of smart meters in homes.

‘These outrageous comments show this Government’s reluctance to take proper action on the rising cost of fuel and to stick up for hard-hit families.’

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-09-18 07:11:51

“It’s Not Easy Being Green”

Greetings, Kermit the Frog here
And today I’d like to tell you a little bit about the color green
Do you know what’s green
Well I am for one thing
You see frogs are green, and I’m a frog
And that means that I’m green, you see

It’s not that easy being green
Having to spend each day the color of the leaves
When I think it could be cheaper being red, or yellow, or gold
Or something much more colorful like that

It’s not easy being green
It seems you blend in with so many other ordinary things
And people tend to piss on you
‘Cause you’re getting subsidized by the government
Like flashy solar-panels
Or giant windmills in the sky

But green’s the color of spring
And green can be cool and friendly-like
And green can be big like a mountain
Or important like a river
Or tall like a tree

When green is all there is to be
It could make you wonder why
But why wonder why wonder
I am green, and it’ll do fine
It’s expensive, and I think it’s what I have to be
Cause I don`t live in China

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 08:03:16

Hmmmm…. we have windmills up the wazoo out here in the Centennial State and we don’t pay a special tax to subsidize them.

Our electric rates will be going up a bit, but it’s because the coal powered plants are passing on increasing coal costs to us. Still, we only pay 7 cents a KWH, even though a portion of our juice is windmill generated and increasing.

I suspect the “green tax” in the UK is being spent on other programs.

One thing that surprises me about this … isn’t the current government in the UK supposed to “conservative”?

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-09-18 08:32:53

“Hmmmm…. we have windmills up the wazoo out here in the Centennial State and we don’t pay a special tax to subsidize them.”

Port of Milwaukee wind turbine project to move forward

By Thomas Content of the Journal Sentinel
Sept. 14, 2011

A project to build a wind turbine adjacent to the Port of Milwaukee’s administration building will move forward after a contractor agreed to increase its use of businesses owned by minorities or women.

The 154-foot turbine would be located just north of the port administration building on South Lincoln Memorial Drive, west of the Lake Express ferry terminal.

Kettle View was the low bidder among five firms that submitted proposals for the project.

As proposed, a combination of $400,000 in federal renewable-energy stimulus money and grants of up to $100,000 each from the state Focus on Energy Program and We Energies would pay for the wind turbine.

http://www.jsonline.mobi/129817273.htm?viewAll=1 - 94k -

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-09-18 09:20:04

“we don’t pay a special tax to subsidize them.”

Somebody is gonna have a special tax to subsidize all of this.

Committee approves $350,000 for LED street lights; Stimulus money could help city balance budget

I think they should have spent the “$7,500 on the Urban League’s math refresher program” and then done the budget for the other $650k.

May 29, 2009

The seemingly mundane approval could have a big effect on the city’s bottom line. LED street lights are 45-49 percent more efficient than the We Energies fixtures throughout the city. The $350,000, plus another $300,000 in stimulus money from another source, is expected to replace about 1,300 street lights throughout the city.

In summary, the committee recommended spending $350,000 on LED streetlights, $72,500 on the green jobs program, $50,000 on Family Services handicap accessibility project and $7,500 on the Urban League’s math refresher program. The CDBG money also allows for 10 percent of the funds ($53,480) to go toward program administration such as making copies, filling out paperwork.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 10:02:52

What we do have in Colorado are mandates to generate percentages of electricity from alternate sources. From what I last read the local utilities are ahead of schedule and that it has been profitable, and that the bulk is wind energy.

That said, its windier around here than in most places.

Also, Texas is the #1 producer of Wind Energy.

Comment by SV guy
2011-09-18 10:22:03

“Also, Texas is the #1 producer of Wind Energy.”

Did you mean ‘Hot Air’?

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 14:11:25

LOL! Kidding aside I read on wikipedia that ” Texas, with 10,135 MW of capacity, has the most installed wind power capacity of any U.S. state, followed by Iowa with 3,675 MW.”

 
Comment by SV guy
2011-09-18 17:57:04

I was just havin’ some fun.

Texans’ are ok by me. Even if the Cowboys beat my niners today.

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-09-18 21:53:06

The UK is doing EVERYTHING in its power to sabotage and kill alternative energy, well paying jobs, decent pensions and citizens rights.

They are doomed. The UK will be a second world country in less than 50 years.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:23:35

I like the Eurozone finance ministers’ financial tax idea, except I suggest it should be cast as an insurance premium, charged to systemically risky institutions which pose a risk of future taxpayer-funded bailouts. Forcing systemically risky institutions to bear their own risk costs would be a great first step towards right-sizing Wall Street Megabanks.

Europe’s finance ministers reach no accord on debt crisis
U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner warns them to hurry, but his reception is less than warm. Greece faces a delay in getting the latest installment of its bailout money.

A police officer uses a fire extinguisher to put out the flames after a man set himself on fire outside a bank in the northern port city of Thessaloniki, Greece. It was the third attempted self-immolation by the former small-business owner, who says he was ruined after taking out a series of loans. The 56-year-old was hospitalized but was expected to survive.(Nontas Stlianidis, Associated Press)

September 16, 2011|By Henry Chu, Los Angeles Times

Reporting from London — Despite strong pressure on them to act, European finance ministers offered no new measures Friday either to tackle the region’s worsening debt crisis or to spur growth in their floundering economies.

Instead, at a meeting in Wroclaw, Poland, officials heard U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner warn them not to dally in coming to grips with a deteriorating situation that analysts say has the potential to cause major disruption in the global economy.

The finance ministers also indicated that near-bankrupt Greece, the epicenter of the Eurozone’s troubles, would not receive a crucial infusion of previously approved emergency loans before early October. The Mediterranean nation needs the money if it is to pay its bills past the middle of the month.

The delay in handing out those loans, originally to be disbursed by the end of September, is likely to fray the nerves of investors who are increasingly bracing for a Greek default. Fear of such an eventuality sparked wild swings in European stock markets this week.

The inconclusive meeting in Poland, at which officials failed to iron out differences over a proposed second bailout package for Greece, illustrated the continuing difficulty of achieving quick action from countries bound by a single currency but divided by domestic politics. Although the financial markets and world leaders have repeatedly pressed for bold, decisive measures, Europe’s politicians have been unable to deliver.

Still, the region’s stock exchanges generally held even Friday, steadied by the announcement a day earlier that central banks around the world, including the U.S. Federal Reserve, would offer easy access to loans for cash-strapped European banks.

The gravity of the debt crisis prompted the unusual invitation to Geithner to attend the finance ministers meeting. His appearance was billed as a chance for a transatlantic exchange of views at a critical juncture in the long-running euro crisis, which many analysts feel may be coming to a head.

Geithner told his European counterparts that he attended the meeting “with humility,” acknowledging the United States’ own serious problems regarding debt and a possible double-dip recession.

“We’re not in a particularly strong position to provide advice to all of you,” he said.

But he then went on to warn the assembly that Europe needed to unite and show collective will in trying to resolve the debt crisis.

Geithner recommended that countries in the Eurozone, which all use the euro currency, significantly expand the capacity of their joint bailout fund in a show of force to reassure investors, the Reuters news agency reported.

“He conveyed dramatically that we need to commit money to avoid bringing the system into difficulty,” Austrian Finance Minister Maria Fekter told reporters.

But Fekter complained that Geithner was dismissive of an idea floated by countries such as Germany to use a financial transaction tax, rather than taxpayer money, to beef up the bailout fund. Popular sentiment in Germany, Austria, the Netherlands and Finland is strongly against any more taxpayer money being sunk into rescuing ailing nations.

“I found it peculiar that even though the Americans have significantly worse fundamental data than the Eurozone, that they tell us what we should do, and when we make a suggestion … that they say no straight away,” Fekter said.

In a testy rebuke of Geithner, Jean-Claude Juncker, prime minister and finance minister of Luxembourg, said, “We are not discussing the increase or the expansion of [the bailout fund] with a nonmember of the euro area.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:25:25

EU finance ministers debate finance tax
By DAVID McHUGH and GABRIELE STEINHAUSER
WROCLAW, Poland

European Union finance ministers are debating a tax on financial transactions that could raise money for the EU and make banks share bailout burdens with taxpayers.

The tax would take a tiny fraction from a wide range of financial dealings and the EU wants use the money to relieve states’ membership contributions to the institution.

It could also help repay governments for some of the billions of euros in taxpayer money they had to pour into banks that needed to be bailed out out during the 2007-2009 financial crisis because they had made risky investments that went sour. Some also argue it could reduce volatility on financial markets.

The EU has been pushing the idea since it came up during global summits held in 2009 to combat the financial crisis. France and Germany support the idea but Britain is opposed because London is a major financial center. The U.S. also opposes such a tax, and many say it won’t work unless imposed globally because banks will simply move transactions to jurisdictions where there is no tax.

Belgian Finance Minister Didier Reynders said ahead of Saturday’s meeting of finance ministers in Wroclaw, Poland, that if a tax can’t be imposed in all 27 EU member countries, then it could be discussed for 17 that use the euro. That group doesn’t include Britain.

“We are having a discussion about stabilization in the eurozone and the world, and I am sure we need to put on the table the financial transaction tax,” he said. “It’s important not only to finance the budget but to stabilize the flows on the capital markets.”

Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-18 14:43:59

This is the silver bullet that would really kill the extreme financial leverage that I think was the #1 reason the debt bubble first started way back in the 1980s. Letting hedge funds make 30 to 1 bets on derivatives leveraged against MBS rated AAA was crazy. Remember it takes Phd. mathematicians to design this stuff it’s so complicated. Now that it’s embedded in our very laws it’s not going to be easy to get rid of it. Taxing financial transactions would be a good anti-biotic.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:26:58

Geithner Ignored Obama Order to Plan for Citigroup Wind Down
September 16, 2011, 2:15 PM EDT
By Donal Griffin and Caroline Salas Gage

(Updates with Treasury statement in seventh paragraph, Citigroup comment in eighth.)

Sept. 16 (Bloomberg) — U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner ignored an order in 2009 from President Barack Obama to prepare a plan to “wind down” Citigroup Inc., once the biggest bank in the world, according to a book to be released next week.

Geithner didn’t proceed with Obama’s order to develop a plan to dissolve New York-based Citigroup in March 2009, several months after the bank had received a $45 billion taxpayer bailout, according to “Confidence Men: Wall Street, Washington and the Education of a President” by Ron Suskind, a former Wall Street Journal reporter. Bloomberg News obtained a copy of the book’s manuscript. The book, published by New York-based HarperCollins, is to be released Sept. 20.

Citigroup, led by Chief Executive Officer Vikram Pandit, posted $29.3 billion in combined losses for 2008 and 2009, much of them tied to subprime mortgages. U.S. taxpayers also guaranteed more than $300 billion of the lender’s riskiest assets to prop up the company as it neared collapse. Obama wanted to consider restructuring the bank while Geithner would also proceed with stress tests of the country’s lenders, according to the book.

Geithner didn’t recall Obama getting angry at him for not implementing the order and said that he didn’t “slow walk the president on anything,” according to the book.

Comment by rms
2011-09-18 09:47:43

“Geithner didn’t recall Obama getting angry at him for not implementing the order and said that he didn’t “slow walk the president on anything,” according to the book.”

Says volumes about the presidency in the 21st century.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:28:54

Protesters Converge on Lower Manhattan, Plan ‘Occupation’
September 17, 2011, 5:43 PM EDT
By Laura Marcinek

(Updates with protester count in fourth paragraph.)

Sept. 17 (Bloomberg) — Wall Street firms are the target of a nonviolent demonstration in which organizers say they want 20,000 people to participate with tents, kitchens and “peaceful barricades” in lower Manhattan.

Dubbed “#OccupyWallStreet,” the goal of the protest is to get President Barack Obama to establish a commission to end “the influence money has over our representatives in Washington,” according to the website of Adbusters, a group promoting the demonstration. Organizers want participants to “occupy” the area for “a few months,” according to the website.

“People have a right to protest, and if they want to protest, we’ll be happy to make sure they have locations to do it,” New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Sept. 15 at a press conference. “As long as they do it where other people’s rights are respected, this is the place where people can speak their minds, and that’s what makes New York, New York.”

As the demonstration began this afternoon, as many as 1,000 people congregated in the Chase Manhattan Plaza area and, after speakers with a bullhorn rallied the crowd, broke into groups to discuss the event’s goals. Some participants circulated trays of sliced white and wheat bread while others passed out jars of creamy Skippy peanut butter, and distributed apples, bananas and oranges from shopping carts.

Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 09:44:26

Yeah, I posted on this in the wee hours in yesterday’s “bits”

So, Egyptian protesters under the dictator Mubarak made it to Tahir Square.

Just don’t try it on Wall Street in the land of the free ;)

It would be a shame to see world newspapers report the USA has fewer freedoms than Egypt (which all told, clearly is not true), but it does show how isolated snippets can be used to bash a country.

General Observatino: let’s avoid using isolated snippets to bash countries or to delegitimize them.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-09-18 21:56:00

The only rights you have in this country are what you can afford.

There’s an old saying: you might beat the rap, but you can’t beat the ride.

 
Comment by trainwreck
2011-09-19 13:20:33

Which all told, clearly is BECOMING true, very quickly.

The United States is behaving like rogue states.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-18 10:04:48

Awe$ome! = John Trudell / Radio Free Alcatraz. :-)

GETTING THE GOVERNMENTS EAR

More than 5,600 American Indians joined the occupation-some for all eighteen months and some for just part of a day. American Indians, like many people of color in that era, were fed up with the status quo. The annual household income of an American Indian family was $1,500-one-fourth the national average. Their life expectancy was 44 when other Americans could expect to reach 65. Occupiers wanted more than just Alcatraz; they wanted to reclaim lives.

(Hwy adds Trudell Documentary to Family Thanksgiving feast pic-a-nic basket)

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:37:22

This reminds me of the part of the Lehman saga when they were trying to bring in Barclays bank as a deep pocket source of bail.

Global Banks ‘Quietly’ Lobby BRICs for EU20 Billion for Greece
September 16, 2011, 6:03 PM EDT
By Christine Harper

Sept. 16 (Bloomberg) — A group that represents the world’s biggest banks is trying to persuade Brazil, Russia, India, China and others to lend 20 billion euros ($27.6 billion) to supplement a debt refinancing package for Greece.

The Institute of International Finance Inc. has been “quietly exploring” whether the so-called BRIC countries and others would be willing to participate, IIF Deputy Managing Director Hung Tran said today in a telephone interview. The plan would add to a July 21 agreement that included debt buybacks and bond exchanges, he said.

“If you have the extra 20 billion which we are seeking from other countries, that of course would increase the amount of debt retirement that Greece can have,” Tran said. “We have been in preliminary discussions with some countries and the reaction we received is an open mind and request for more information and discussion.”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 07:16:58

Dumb question of the day:

Does the Sword of Damocles remain suspended by a hair trigger above the neck of the Greek economy, ready to fall at any moment, or does it merely appear to be so?

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 07:54:10

It depends on the Germans.

2011-09-18 09:41:22

It actually depends on the Finns.

They’re my heroes. I’m looking forward to that particular @ss-munching.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 19:49:50

Good call!

Sept. 16, 2011, 5:03 p.m. EDT
Finland puts its foot down
Commentary: Demanding collateral for more euro-zone bailouts
By MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Leave it to the Finns to put a chill on things.

As euro-zone finance ministers gathered in Poland Friday to discuss how best to salvage the continent’s shaky monetary coalition, Finland wants guarantees. Read about the meeting in Wroclaw, Poland.

Before another hard-earned euro goes toward bailing out profligate spenders down south, Finland insists the loans be backed by hard assets.

In the world of European finance, especially when dealing with something as delicate as sovereign debt, this is downright rude behavior. But it’s also refreshing to hear a voice outside the French-German monetary debate society stand up and say, “Enough, already!”, even if it raises a major stumbling block in the effort to keep Greece from defaulting on its debt.

The message Finland’s Finance Minister Jutta Urpilainen brought to the meeting is aimed not just at Greece, but at all of the PIIGS — Portugal, Italy, Ireland Greece and Spain. And because Finland’s economy bears a far closer resemblance to Germany’s than Greece’s, the Germans are probably delighted to hear Finland express the kind of exasperation many of them share but dare not bring to the table.

Of course it’s easier for Urpilainen to be blunt because her country’s pockets aren’t nearly as deep as Germany’s. And that’s something Europe’s southern tier needs to hear. They need to be reminded that their lack of monetary discipline is taking a steep toll not just on their own pensions, but is threatening the pensions of fellow euro zone members who played by the rules they all agreed to.

That the criticism would come from Finland is also somehow fitting. It’s exactly what you would expect from a flinty nation that managed for so many decades to independently negotiate both sides of the Iron Curtain despite living directly under the shadow of the Soviet Union.

 
 
 
Comment by ahansen
2011-09-18 16:00:58

It fell into the mashed potatoes and ruined the floral decor.

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-09-18 16:03:10

cont:

But the dinner goes on.

(Sorry, was mysteriously bifucated.)

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 08:27:01

I think the BRICs are way too smart to get suckered into this. They know that of they bail out Greece, that they will then be expected to next bail out Ireland, Portugal, Spain and Italy.

The will attend the meetings, smile for the photo ops and be very polite. They won’t say no, but they will never say yes either.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-09-18 21:57:56

That’s the way I would bet.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:41:20

In Europe, echoes of Lehman, with much bigger consequences
September 16, 2011: 11:01 AM ET
What started as a sovereign debt crisis in Europe is slowly turning into a potentially disastrous banking crisis. It’s like watching a bad rerun of a movie with a worse ending.
By Cyrus Sanati, contributor

FORTUNE — The European economic contagion that began 18 months ago as a sovereign debt crisis is dangerously mutating into a full-blown banking crisis. With Greece in de-facto market default, weak banks within the eurozone have started to fall ill as their investors, trading partners and clients pull short-term funding. The move by central banks on Thursday to provide extended U.S. dollar loans to European banks is only a stopgap measure. A Lehman Brothers-like collapse or a Northern Rock-like bank run still cannot be ruled out at this point for several of the eurozone’s largest financial institutions.

The market has hammered French banks into the ground first, but banks in Italy, Spain, Germany and the United Kingdom face serious funding issues as well. Swift action is needed on the part of eurozone members to shore up confidence in its crippled banking sector. The expansion of the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) is a good start, but more money will be needed to ensure investors that it’s all clear to park their cash with European banks again.

The alarm bells were sounded on trading floors in Paris and New York this week. Société Générale, Credit Agricole and BNP Paribas – the three major French banking institutions - have seen their share prices move violently in recent days, ostensibly because of their exposure to toxic Greek sovereign debt. On Wednesday Moody’s downgraded the credit rating of Société Générale and Credit Agricole one notch and kept BNP Paribas on review for a downgrade.

But the violent drops in their share prices seem to go beyond the banks’ exposure to Greece and the credit downgrade. Take Société Générale for example. The bank’s total exposure to Greek sovereign debt, including the amount held by its Greek subsidiary, is around 5 billion euros. That’s equivalent to around 1% of the bank’s balance sheet and around the same amount of money the bank lost at the hands of rogue trader Jérôme Kerviel in 2009.

As punishment for its Greek sovereign investments, the market wiped out 56% off Société Générale’s market value in the last three months up to Thursday. That’s around 3.5 times the value of its exposure to Greek sovereign debt, which is clearly overkill. Some of the extra losses baked in to the market value haircut derive from the bank’s exposure to the private Greek credit market through the bank’s local subsidiary. But the market seems to be sending a signal that it is worried about much more than the bank’s measly Greek exposure. The big fear is that Société Générale, along with its French banking brethren, is extremely undercapitalized and could therefore collapse at any moment.

Echoes of Lehman

 
Comment by S Carton
2011-09-18 06:44:35

Evildoc is very transparent. He was probably a democrat all his life and now , because of the economy, is fearful of socialized medicine and a tax increase. How low we will stoop in protecting our standard of living. Shameful.

Comment by palmetto
2011-09-18 06:59:57

Tell it to someone who gives a $hit.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-09-18 09:39:50

Protection from being robbed is more like it .

Somehow people think it’s a evil to want to protect standard of living as if one should joyfully go into poverty .

As if the gains that were made to the middle class should just be handed over on a sivler platter in the name of some BS line of logic that is contrived by the thieves .

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 10:05:10

As if the gains that were made to the middle class should just be handed over on a sivler platter in the name of some BS line of logic that is contrived by the thieves

+1000

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Comment by evildocs
2011-09-18 09:56:43

(S Carton) Evildoc is very transparent. He was probably a democrat all his life and now , because of the economy, is fearful of socialized medicine and a tax increase. How low we will stoop in protecting our standard of living. Shameful.

A. I do need more tan.

B. When we dissect weak debaters (SCarton et al), we observe three trends in their behavior:

The first tactic is the Straw Man, the independent notion put forth by the weak debater, irrelevant to what the other guy actually says, which then is argued against by the weak debater as if the point indeed is something the other debater said, with the weak debater concluding that by winning the imaginary point, he has scored against the real point, which of course he has not.

The second tactic of the weak debater is the Ad Hominem insult, assaulting the character, integrity, etc of the other debater.

The third tactic is called, The Telepath, in which the weak debater, unable to deal with the real points on the table, pretends to know what is in the heart and mind of the other debater. Perhaps no surprise, what he “finds” there tends not to flatter the other debater.

C. It would help to quote that to which you object, if your criticisms are to be taken seriously

==========

OK. Now that we’ve gotten the tactics stuff out of the way, and taking no stand on your imagined take on my political positions… just for fun, if I were a Democrat-for-Life, I would embrace Socialized Medicine and Tax Increases, right?

Comment by ahansen
2011-09-19 00:43:41

Honey, for gods’ sake go buy yourself a blowjob.
And maybe add a hominem while you’re at it.

 
Comment by Robin
2011-09-19 23:32:04

evildocs:

Thank God you got into medicine! You would have been a great Philosophy Instructor but a worthless shoe salesperson - :)

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:44:48

Just remember: Possession is 90 percent of the law.

Robo-signed mortgage docs date back to late 1990s
By PALLAVI GOGOI, AP Business Writer – Sep 1, 2011

NEW YORK (AP) — Counties across the United States are discovering that illegal or questionable mortgage paperwork is far more widespread than thought, tainting the deeds of tens of thousands of homes dating to the late 1990s.

The suspect documents could create legal trouble for homeowners for years.

Already, mortgage papers are being invalidated by courts, insurers are hesitant to write policies, and judges are blocking banks from foreclosing on homes. The findings by various county registers of deeds have also hindered a settlement between the 50 state attorneys general who are investigating big banks and other mortgage lenders over controversial mortgage practices.

The problem of shoddy mortgage paperwork, which comprises several shortcuts known collectively as “robo-signing,” led the nation’s largest banks, including Bank of America Corp., JPMorgan Chase & Co., Wells Fargo & Co., and other lenders to temporarily halt foreclosures nationwide last fall.

At the time, “robo-signing” was thought to be contained to the affidavits that banks file when a mortgage is issued and somebody buys a house. The documents are used to prove they have the right foreclosure if the homeowner isn’t making mortgage payments. Companies that process mortgages said they were so overwhelmed with paperwork that they cut corners.

But now, as county officials review years’ worth of mortgage paperwork, in some cases combing through one page at a time, they are finding suspect signatures — either signed with the same name by dozens of different people, improperly notarized or signed without a review of the facts in the paperwork — on all sorts of mortgage documents, dating as far back as 1998, The Associated Press has found.

“Because of these bad titles, property owners can’t prove they own the properties they think they bought, and banks can’t prove they had the right to sell them,” says Jeff Thigpen, the registrar of deeds in Guilford County, N.C.

Comment by ecofeco
2011-09-18 21:59:00

“Counties across the United States are discovering that illegal or questionable mortgage paperwork is far more widespread than thought,”

Gee, ya think? :lol:

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:49:50

Obama’s road to re-election lined with boarded-up homes; the housing slump is a 2012 liability

FILE - In this April 4, 2010 file photo, a foreclosure sign sits atop a for sale sign in front of a single-family home tops the for sale sign in Denver. Barack Obama’s road to re-election is lined with lots of boarded-up homes. While the high unemployment rate dominates talk in Washington, for many 2012 voters the housing crisis may well be a more powerful manifestation of the sick economy. And, in an unfortunate twist for Obama, the housing problem is at its worst in many of the battleground states that will be decisive in determining whether the president gets another term.

By Associated Press, Published: September 16

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama’s road to re-election is lined with lots of boarded-up homes.

Though the high unemployment rate dominates talk in Washington, for many 2012 voters the housing crisis may well be a more powerful manifestation of a sick economy. And, in an unfortunate twist for Obama, the problem is at its worst in many of the battleground states that will be decisive in determining whether he gets another term.

Swing states Florida, Arizona, Nevada, Ohio and Michigan — they all pulse red-hot on a foreclosure rate “heat map.” And by themselves those five add up to 80 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win the presidency.

Mortgage default notices surged nationally last month. One in every 118 homes in Nevada received a foreclosure filing in August, according to the foreclosure listing firm RealtyTrac. One in 248 in Arizona. One in 349 in Michigan. One in 376 in Florida. And so on.

A foreclosure’s impact is visceral and outsized, rippling far beyond one household.

“Entire neighborhoods see what’s going on,” says Bill Galston, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a former Clinton administration official. “The visibility contributes to the psychology of continued economic troubles.”

There’s the in-your-face eyesore sometimes created by a vacant house next door sprouting weeds on the front lawn.

There’s the downward pressure on housing values that can follow for everyone else in the neighborhood.

There’s the welling frustration felt by neighboring homeowners who may owe more on their own mortgages than their homes are worth.

Nearly a quarter of all U.S. homeowners with mortgages are now underwater, representing nearly 11 million homes, according to CoreLogic, a real estate research firm.

Again, many of the states with the highest underwater mortgage rates also are political battleground states: In Nevada, 60 percent of homeowners are upside down, according to CoreLogic. Arizona is at 49 percent; Florida, 45 percent; Michigan, 36 percent.

Obama will need swing-state voters more than ever in 2012 because of the tougher political climate for Democrats this election season.

Politically, it all adds up to “the thousand-pound gorilla in the room,” says Roy Oppenheim, a Florida foreclosure defense attorney who speaks of “suburban blight” in his home state, of gutted homes, of entire neighborhoods where banks are bulldozing foreclosures.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 07:51:59

He has a rough road ahead of him. Lucky for him the GOP seems hell bent on nominating unelectable presidential candidates. Only the far right will vote for Bible thumpers like Perry, Bachman and Palin. Many will refuse to vote for Romney because he is a Mormon.

Then again, depending on how much more the economy deteriorates stranger things could happen.

Comment by scdave
2011-09-18 08:07:11

Many will refuse to vote for Romney because he is a Mormon ??

Evangelicals will not that’s for sure…They will write in or not vote at all…

Comment by butters
2011-09-18 08:18:45

Overall, 25 percent of voters would be less likely to vote for a Mormon. Liberal Democrats were most opposed to a Mormon candidate (41 percent). Pew found that among the voters who were opposed to a Mormon candidate, about two-third of them said there was “no chance” they would support Romney for president.

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2011/06/evangelicals_le.html

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 08:37:11

Well, I wouldn’t expect “Liberal Democrats” to vote for Republican anyway.

FWIW, if you listen to Evang/Fundy radio (a challenge, I know) you will find that there are radio ministries whose sole purpose is to oppose the Mormons. They (Evangs and Fundies) see the LDS as a diabolical threat to America and Christianity in general. There is no way Romney will get their vote and the GOP needs their vote to win.

Bit if the nominate Perry, Palin or Bachman then the moderates will either vote for Obama or “throw away their vote” on a third party or stay home.

Ron Paul is perhaps the most electable, but the Corporations won’t have him as he would take away their free cheese.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2011-09-18 10:17:03

People may have forgotten that Romney was elected governor in Massachusetts, which is one the most liberal states in the country. It’s also one of the most highly educated states in the country. People there are more likely to focus on what sort of job the governor will do, not his religion, which is a personal matter.

 
Comment by butters
2011-09-18 11:26:01

Well, I wouldn’t expect “Liberal Democrats” to vote for Republican anyway.

Nice spin. The question was not about Romney. It was about Mormonism. I never knew Romney single handily represented Mormonism.

 
Comment by butters
2011-09-18 11:49:59

elected governor in Massachusetts, which is one the most liberal states.

Who was he running against? It’s a bigger surprise that he even made it our of Republican primary in MA if you were to believe some people. What’s the percentage of Evangelical voters in USA? 7%? 10%?

Hillary ran toe-to-toe with Obama with only getting 10% of black votes. I think the Evangelicals are smaller in percentage than black votes. According to some report, Romney got 20% of the Evangelical votes in 2008. So Romney can win without any evangelical votes.

At the end of the day, what hurts Romney is not the Evangelical votes. It’s his supposed liberalism and political expediency in the republican primary, and his closeness to WallStreet and business as usual attitude in the general election.

Personally, outside of Ron Paul, Romney is someone I do not dislike. He seems rational and doesn’t drop God in every sentence, a big improvement as far as I am concerned. What I can’t get past is he is the favorite candidate of WallStreet and business as usual CEOs. Obama, being a close second.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 14:16:09

” I never knew Romney single handily represented Mormonism.”

He doesn’t. But that doesn’t matter to Evang/Fundy voters.

I have relatives and close friends who are Evangs and Fundies. A small sample of course, but they won’t voter for a Mormon, period. Many won’t even vote for a Catholic.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-09-18 16:26:42

What I can’t get past is he is the favorite candidate of WallStreet and business as usual CEOs.

That’s my biggest problem, too.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 08:31:10

“Evangelicals will not that’s for sure…They will write in or not vote at all”

Or vote third party. IIRC the “Constitution Party” usually nominates a Bible thumper.

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Comment by scdave
2011-09-18 08:53:29

Or vote third party ??

Maybe, but only a small minority of them…Most will vote for Obama “again” as a protest vote against the neocon right…

It would be DeJaVu all over again…

MaCain/Palin 2008

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2011-09-18 09:54:26

“Many will refuse to vote for Romney because he is a Mormon.”

What could an atheist who studies dinosaur bones expect?

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 06:58:07

Sept. 17, 2011, 6:14 p.m. EDT
Obama debt-cut plan seen topping $1.5 trillion
Key question is by how much president’s plan exceeds that level
By Greg Robb, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — There is not much doubt that President Barack Obama’s deficit-reduction plan will top $1.5 trillion, but the key question is by how much.

In his speech to a joint session of Congress, Obama said he would present “an ambitious deficit plan” to a new congressional supercommittee on Monday. The supercommittee is looking for ways to cut deficits by at least $1.5 trillion.

Experts said it is just sound politics for Obama to surpass that goal.

President Obama has indicated he will not propose changes to Social Security in his deficit-reduction plan.

A package of spending and revenue larger than $1.5 trillion would send the message that Obama “is serious about deficit reduction,” said Ethan Siegal, a political analyst with the Washington Exchange.

“The White House wants to be ahead of the curve for deficit reduction,” Siegal said.

Stan Collender, a budget expert and partner with Qorvis Communications Inc., said Obama’s plan is designed to “take care” of the Republican charge that Obama has never laid out a deficit-reduction plan of his own.

Analysts were divided about whether Obama will “go big” with a plan to cut the deficit by $3 trillion or more or “go small” with a proposal nearer $2 trillion.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-09-18 07:13:55

Watching livestreams of the NYC sit ins. Looks pretty mellow so far as the organizers planned. Let’s see what the numbers are tomorrow when people are supposed to be back at work. I’m also very curious to watch Bloomberg’s reaction.

anycdj, NYCboy, WTE anyone have anything to report?

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-09-18 07:55:00

Posted yesterday

Law firm warns of foreclosure ruling’s effect

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 8:15 p.m. Friday, Sept. 16, 2011

WEST PALM BEACH — The national law firm of Greenberg Traurig issued an alert this week warning its lawyers that a 4th District Court of Appeal ruling in favor of Palm Beach County homeowners could “dramatically change the foreclosure landscape in Florida.”

The Sept. 7 decision in the case of Gary and Anita Glarum vs. LaSalle Bank says that an affidavit of indebtedness submitted by the bank was hearsay because the person who signed it did not have personal knowledge of the case. It reversed a 2010 Palm Beach County Circuit Court summary judgment that said the Glarums owed the bank $422,677.

Ice Legal of Royal Palm Beach represents the Glarums, who have been in foreclosure since 2008 and continue to live in the home.

COMMENTS

I don’t support the banks, it’s their fault for giving out loans to people they knew couldn’t pay. But I am sick and tired of watching people live for free while I struggle to pay my rent, utilities,my student loans, attend college fulltime and work fulltime just to make ends meet. My neighbor has been living for free for 4 yrs now,has purchased 2 brand new cars since and has gone on multiple estravagant vacations.all b/c they know how to play the system. Would like 2 bail on my student loans

Student
11:02 PM, 9/16/2011

Student, did you miss a class or two in school? You should have bought a house, pulled out equity, paid off the student loans, walked away, and filed bankruptcy all before they changed the laws. That’s how the lawyers did it.

Only thing that will dramatically change the Foreclosure Landscape around here is a Cat 3+ hurricane. Most foreclosures won’t survive it, and owners who are underwater will be able to get out when their insurance check hits the mortgage company’s bank account.

Brown.Pelican
7:17 PM, 9/17/2011

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/foreclosures/law-firm-warns-of-foreclosure-rulings-effect-1862934.html - -

I Wanna Be Rich lyrics

Songwriters: Gentry, Melvin; Calloway, Reggie; Calloway, Vincent; Lipscomb, Belinda; saturday, jeff;

Imagine
Cash cold, and a free house that’s what I need

These bill collectors, they ring my phone
They bother me when I’m not at home
Ain’t got no time to be fooling round
On this house I am upside down, you see

I owe money, lots and lots of money
I want the pie in the sky
I owe money, lots and lots of money
So don’t be asking me why

I want a free house, ohh
I want a free house, ohh
I want a free house with some love, peace and happiness

I want my cake, wanna eat it too
I want the stars and the silver moon
I spend my money on lottery
My favorite number is 1 2 3, you see

I owe money, lots and lots of money
I want the pie in the sky
I owe money, lots and lots of money
So don’t be asking me why

I want a free house, ohh
I want a free house, ohh
I want a free house with some love, peace and happiness

I want to do things that owners do
Buy new cars and vacation too
These are things that you`re gonna find
When you`re house note is three years behind

Because I owe money, lots and lots of money
I want the pie in the sky
I owe money, lots and lots of money
So don’t be asking me why

I want a free house, ohh
I want a free house, ohh
I want a free house without the indebtedness

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 08:28:45

The Operation to Bail Out the World

Two days ago in New York, US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner uttered the words, “There is no chance that the major countries of Europe will let their institutions be at risk in the eyes of the market.”

He then went on to relate that Germany’s increasingly beleaguered Angela Merkel has committed, along with the other strong eurozone countries (read: Germany), to do whatever it takes to assure that they were “not going to have a Lehman Brothers.”

Translated from bureaucratese, what the Sec. Treasury was telling us in the first instance was not that the European banks are at risk of failing – they clearly are – but rather that the eurozone governments will do whatever it takes to mask that stark reality from “the market.”

As to assessing the scale of the risk, there is an excellent interactive graphic available from ThomsonReuters. On the right side of the page are buttons that, when clicked, display the debt of each of the PIIGS, and who is holding that debt.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-09-18 08:45:32

Two days ago in New York, US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner uttered the words,

Risk Smisk.

Just add a couple of zeros it`s all good.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-09-18 09:43:26

How does it feel to have the Creeps pick the winners and the losers ?

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 14:18:10

“The Operation to Bail Out the World”

So are we waiting for alien central bankers to descend in their flying saucers any buy up our debt with whatever they call their fiats?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 19:42:17

They don’t need flying saucers — helicopters with bundles of cash will do just fine.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 08:34:32

MSM journalists haven’t quite connected the dots just yet between a standing too-big-to-fail bailout guarantee and the tendency of international megabanks to make loans that look really dicey to anyone with at least half a brain. It’s not really Greece’s fault that banks were willing to offer them subprime loans, on the questionable assumption that bailouts would flow forth, if ever needed, like Manna from Heaven.

Questions and answers about the crisis in Greece
By BERNARD CONDON, AP Business Writer – 2 days ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Its economy is smaller than that of many U.S. states. It’s better known for olive oil and souvlaki than high finance. It last strode global affairs 2,400 years ago, when men wore togas.

Yet everyone is suddenly worried about Greece.

Stocks have whipsawed on signals that the country will or will not default on its debt. Economists are adjusting their estimates for economic growth in Europe and the U.S. based on what happens by the Mediterranean Sea.

The fear is that if Greece defaults, it could plunge Europe into recession and set off a cascade of mistrust and selling akin to what happened during the financial crisis in 2008.

How likely is that? No one is sure. Greece says it won’t default, and Germany and France have pledged support. But the news keeps getting worse, and amid the confusion and uncertainty, investors are frightened.

Here are some questions and answers to cut through the swirl of figures and rumors and, perhaps, better assess the risks:

___

Q: What’s a default?

A country is considered in default when it stops paying principal and interest to its lenders. For Greece, those lenders include European banks that own its national bonds. If Greece defaults, the banks would have to absorb big losses. That would make it more difficult for them to loan money, and that could push Europe, already weak, into a deep recession.

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Q: What’s being done to make sure it doesn’t happen?

A: Bailouts and more bailouts. Last year, other European nations and the International Monetary Fund agreed to lend Greece 110 billion euros, or about $150 billion. A second aid package hammered out in July would help Greece avoid having to ask jittery bond investors for more money. But the bailout needs approval from 17 European legislatures, and that is not assured. German voters, in particular, are wary of sending more money to their free-spending neighbor.

On Thursday, the European Central Bank, the U.S. Federal Reserve and three other national central banks announced they would supply European banks with unlimited three-month loans.

___

Q: How did Greece get into this mess?

The government spent too much, didn’t collect enough in taxes and had to sell lots of bonds to make up the difference. For most of the past decade, Greece has run up budget deficits well beyond limits set by the European Union, a group of 27 nations that allow goods and workers to cross their borders freely.

When Greece fell into recession two years ago, bondholders worried they wouldn’t get their money back. To make sure they do, the EU is lending money to Greece, essentially allowing it to use new debt to pay off old debt.

Keeping Greece afloat will be tough. Like a loan officer at the bank who checks your salary and what you owe before deciding how much to lend to you, bond investors and other lenders to governments like to look at how much a country makes each year. And Greece looks like a bad bet. Its publicly held debt is more than 140 percent of its annual economic output, or gross domestic product. U.S. debt is 67 percent.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-18 16:58:38

“The government spent too much, didn’t collect enough in taxes and had to sell lots of bonds to make up the difference.”

Gee, that sounds familiar. Hasn’t that been our game plan for the past, what, 30 years?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 09:05:27

Too Big to Fail: The Hazards of Bank Bailouts
by Gary H. Stern, Ron J. Feldman, Paul A. Volcker in Books

$18 online, $23 nearby
3 reviews

By Gary H. Stern, Ron J. Feldman, Paul A. Volcker - Brookings Institution Press (2009) - Paperback - 230 pages - ISBN 081570304X

The potential failure of a large bank presents vexing questions for policymakers. It poses significant risks to other financial institutions, to the financial system as a whole, and possibly to the economic and social order. Because of such fears, policymakers in many countries — developed and less developed, democratic and autocratic — respond by protecting bank creditors from all or some of the losses they otherwise would face. Failing banks are labeled “too big to fail” (or TBTF). This important new book examines the issues surrounding TBTF, explaining why it is a problem and discussing ways of dealing with it more effectively.Gary Stern and Ron Feldman, officers with the Federal Reserve, warn that not enough has been done to reduce creditors’ expectations of TBTF protection. Many of the existing pledges and policies meant to convince creditors that they will bear market losses when large banks fail are not credible, resulting in significant net costs to the economy. The authors recommend that policymakers enact a series of reforms to reduce expectations of bailouts when large banks fail.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 09:20:53

Sayonara, too-big-to-fail Megabanks.

Posted at 06:00 AM ET, 09/16/2011
Say ‘good-bye’ to ‘too big to fail’
By Dominic Basulto

A Wall Street sign hangs on a signpost in front of the New York Stock Exchange (LUCAS JACKSON - REUTERS)

Three years ago, as the world’s largest banks teetered on the edge of collapse, the global financial system nearly experienced the financial equivalent of Armageddon. When Lehman Brothers finally went under in September 2008, the chaos that ensued was largely blamed on a wide-scale embrace of the “too big to fail” mentality. Put simply: America’s largest financial institutions were considered too large, too complex and too hopelessly interconnected to ever be allowed to collapse. That is no longer the case, now that the FDIC, Federal Reserve and Financial Stability Oversight Council have united on the mandatory creation of “living wills” for the largest banks in the country.

The idea behind these “living wills” is simple — before a large financial institution is ever allowed to reach the precipice, it will be required to lay out, point-by-point, exactly how its assets would be distributed in the event of its demise. Contrary to the wonderfully elegant risk calculation models of the Wall Street moneymen, there are, indeed, Black Swans in the financial universe — and far more than might be expected. Making sure that banks like Citigroup, J.P. Morgan Chase and Bank of America have contingency plans in effect is a way of ensuring that a $700 billion bailout of the banking system will never be required again.

By next July, the nation’s largest banks with more than $250 billion in assets — the likes of Citigroup, J.P. Morgan Chase, and Bank of America — will be required to detail how they should be broken up if they, indeed, need to be broken up in the future. By Dec. 2013, any bank or bank holding company with more than $50 billion in assets will be required to present an orderly plan for how their assets can be liquidated before they file for bankruptcy. Even foreign banks with significant exposure to the U.S. market will be required to put together a comprehensive contingency plan.

 
Comment by Müggy
2011-09-18 10:24:48

Starting Esselstyn/going vegan today for my health, wallet, and sanity. I’m done with disgusting food; I can’t take it anymore.

I would also like to be around to see my kiddos into adulthood.

Comment by rms
2011-09-18 12:28:08

I eat chicken and turkey, but no red meat. I still enjoy a pizza once in a while. My problem is processed food, so I need to eat at home more often, fruits and veggies. Service calls at all hours are the problem, and I’ve become lazy, and I’m wasting money too.

Keep us posted, Müggy.

Comment by ahansen
2011-09-18 16:13:11

Grilling a nice Harris Ranch NY cut chunk of cow flesh tonight with chilies, corn, walnut oil, greens, taters, herbs, berries, dried ’shrooms and honey from my garden.

Oh, and a bottle of my leetle brother’s excellent zinfandel. Vegan feels good, but omnivorous is best.

(burp.)

 
 
Comment by butters
2011-09-18 16:35:07

Vegan is not healthy.

Eat everything but in moderation…….

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 10:49:33

Sept. 17, 2011, 2:36 p.m. EDT
European leaders still divided on debt crisis
Advice from U.S. Treasury secretary brushed off
By MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — European leaders made little headway Saturday on resolving a banking crisis that threatens to weaken their economies and spread damage overseas to countries such as the United States.

Finance ministers from European Union nations gathered in Poland for two days of talks and even invited Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner to their meeting to explain how the U.S. handled a similar crisis in 2008-09.

Yet EU ministers did not coalesce around any rescue plan for Greece or troubled European banks. Some also brushed off advice from Geithner, who’s urged them to stimulate their economies and act quickly to shore up their banking system.

Europe’s largest banks own billons of dollars worth of Greek bonds and they could suffer massive losses if Greece is unable make payments. The shaky finances of European banks, especially the biggest institutions in France, has unnerved global investors and made it harder for those banks to raise money.

The fear of a Greek default and damage to European banks has weighed heavily on U.S. markets over the past few weeks. Economists warn that a crisis could damage the world economy and perhaps even send the U.S. back into recession.

Europe is one of the largest trading partners of the U.S., accounting for almost 22% of the nation’s exports. As a result, the Obama administration has been pressing the EU to take quicker action to contain the crisis.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-18 10:54:22

Garden is demanding Hwy’s attention, so eyes leave ya all with a current events tale, that has a linkage to the Korean War: ;-)

The local story: (open house @ their Ranch is Oct 29th)

“People tend to admire determination in other humans, but not at all in donkeys,” Meyers writes on the group’s website. “When donkeys show the tenacity that kept them alive in the wild, people call them stubborn. But if you think about it, being ’stubborn’ is not always a bad thing.”

Donkeys airlifted from Hawaii to California:
Peaceful Valley Donkey Rescue near Tehachapi flies 120 unwanted animals from the Big Island, hoping they can be adopted. An allied Texas facility also tries to save donkeys.
Reporting from Tehachapi—
By Catherine Saillant / Los Angeles Times / September 18, 2011

What started as an act of compassion has become a calling for Meyers, 48, and his wife, Amy, 37.

Their life changed 12 years ago when he bought a donkey as a companion for Amy’s horse. They were taken by Izzy’s loving and friendly personality.

Finally, the 6-foot, 4-inch electrical contractor threw himself into the donkey rescue business full time and created his nonprofit. Today the group works with adoption facilities in 22 states, supervising the rescue, rehabilitation and adoption of 2,000 donkeys nationwide.

In 2008, he heard that Texas authorities were shooting donkeys along the Rio Grande, the beast of burden now judged to be little more than a nuisance. He hired Tracy Miller to manage the California haven and moved his wife and children to Texas and opened a second rescue facility, this one on 260 acres of scrub.

Their efforts in the Lone Star state became crucial this year as prolonged drought drove up the price of hay and water, and ranchers began abandoning their animals.

Meyers estimates he’s rescued 500 donkeys in Texas since March alone. “People are loading them up on trucks and driving two or three counties over and just letting them go along some highway,” he said. “Someone will wake up and come out and see a dozen donkeys in their frontyard.”

The Hawaiian transport was a more complicated affair.

Donkeys have been part of the Big Island’s history for nearly two centuries. Introduced by the British, the strong, sure-footed creatures were used by Kona coffee bean growers to carry bulging bags from mountain farms to coastal ports. Every farm family had one, said Fred Duerr, who managed the nearby Kona Village Resort for 38 years.

At night the social animals would grow lonely and bray to one another, filling the Hawaiian night air with a cacophony of song, he said. Locals dubbed them the Kona Nightingales. When World War II ended, farmers switched to the sudden surplus of Jeeps and turned their donkeys loose on the lava flows, Duerr said.

They thrived in the wild until the Kona Coast began to erupt with hotels and golf courses. The donkeys were eating landscaping, breaking fences and sometimes being hit by cars as they descended Kona’s slopes to lick salt off of the sea rocks.

Eventually most of them were resettled in Waikoloa, where they roamed free until, once again, they became a nuisance, breaking down barriers and foraging close to roads and residential areas.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-18 11:12:07

The National Story: ;-)

One of her finest hours came during the Battle of Outpost Vegas in March of 1953. At the time of this battle it was written that, “The savagery of the battle for the so-called Nevada Complex has never been equaled in Marine Corps history.” This particular battle “was to bring a cannonading and bombing seldom experienced in warfare … twenty-eight tons of bombs and hundreds of the largest shells turned the crest of Vegas into a smoking, death-pocked rubble.” And she was in the middle of all of it.

Enemy soldiers could see her as she made her way across the deadly “no man’s land” rice paddies and up the steep 45-degree mountain trails that led to the firing sites. “It’s difficult to describe the elation and the boost in morale that little white-faced mare gave Marines as she outfoxed the enemy bringing vitally needed ammunition up the mountain,” Sgt. Maj. James E. Bobbitt recalled.

During this five-day battle, on one day alone she made 51 trips from the Ammunition Supply Point to the firing sites, 95% of the time by herself. She carried 386 rounds of ammunition (over 9,000 pounds – almost FIVE TONS! — of ammunition), walked over 35 miles through open rice paddies and up steep mountains with enemy fire coming in at the rate of 500 rounds per minute. And as she so often did, she provided a shield for several Marines who were trapped trying to make their way up to the front line. She was wounded twice, but that didn’t stop or slow her down.

What she did in this battle not only earned her the respect of all that served with her, but it got her promoted to Sergeant. Her heroics defined the word “Marine.” She was BELOVED by the Marines. They took care of her better than they took care of themselves – throwing their flak jackets over her to protect her when incoming was heavy, risking their own safety.

Her Military Decorations included two Purple Hearts, Good Conduct Medal, Presidential Unit Citation with star, National Defense Service Medal, Korean Service Medal, United Nations Service Medal, and Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation

The story of Reckless is not only remarkable - it is unusual. And once you learn about her, you will see why the Marine Corps not only fell in love with her - but honored her and promoted her every chance they got. And it wasn’t just the Marines that served with her in the trenches that honored her - her last promotion to Staff Sergeant was by Gen. Randolph McC Pate - the Commandant of the entire Marine Corps. You can’t get higher than that in the Marines.

Reckless joined the Marines to carry ammunition to the front lines for the 75mm Recoilless Rifle Platoon of the 5th Marines - and she quickly earned the love and respect of all of the Marines that served with her. Lt. Eric Pedersen paid $250 of his own money to a young Korean boy, Kim Huk Moon, for her. The only reason Kim sold his beloved horse was so he could buy an artificial leg for his older sister, Chung Soon, who lost her leg in a land mine accident.

Kim’s loss was the Marines’ gain.

http://www.sgtreckless.com/Reckless/About_Reckless.html

(Up here in “beyond-the-back-40-ville” many many simple folks are help’in out with horse-donkey-dog-cat-chicken-ostrich adoptions & rescues.)

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 10:57:14

How sad — it sounds like taxpayer-funded, federally-guaranteed loans for millionaires might soon come be scaled back.

Sept. 16, 2011, 10:50 a.m. EDT
Bid to keep higher mortgage limits in peril
Without action by Congress, guarantees for big loans end Oct. 1
By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — An effort to create a short-term extension of regulations seeking to allow the maximum size of loans that can be guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to remain at the current level of $729,750 is expected to fail, for now, a legislative aide said Thursday.

“We are disappointed,” said Christopher Boganno, spokesman for Rep. John Campbell, who’s a Republican from California and a key sponsor of the measure.

Without action by Congress, the limit on loans that Fannie and Freddie can guarantee will drop back to a maximum of $625,500 effective Oct, 1. Boganno said that he expects the guarantee level to drop down to the lower level on Oct. 1, and that there will be some negative consequences to the mortgage market in that upper price range as a result.

Comment by rms
2011-09-18 12:32:10

What’s going to happen to California’s $50k/yr millionaires?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 13:35:46

It truly is tragic.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2011-09-18 22:03:43

Cry me a river.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-18 12:27:35

Realtors Are Liars®

.
Sorry for the delay but spent most of day with church activities. No fetch your 30 pieces Lying Realtor.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 13:45:56

Sept. 18, 2011, 3:00 p.m. EDT
Greece holding emergency debt talks: report
By MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Greece’s government was meeting over the weekend to assess a new warning that future euro-zone aid will be withheld unless it can bring its unruly budget deficit into line, according to a media report Sunday. Prime Minister George Papandreou aborted a planned trip to the U.S. this week to preside over emergency meetings in Athens to identify new savings that will convince other euro-zone governments that targets can be met, The Wall Street Journal reported. Without fresh aid, Greece will run out of money by mid-October, the Journal said.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 13:47:58

$300m is spittin’ in the ocean so far as the profits from Megabank, Inc’s illegal banking activities are concerned.

Sept. 18, 2011, 3:39 p.m. EDT
UBS ups rogue trading loss figure to $2.3 billion
Swiss bank increases total from $2 billion; probes underway
By Russ Britt, MarketWatch

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) — UBS AG on Sunday raised its estimate of losses from unauthorized rogue trades to $2.3 billion, a $300 million increase from its earlier figure.

 
Comment by frankie
2011-09-18 13:50:31

“Papandreou cancelled his U.S. visit to deal with the deepening crisis at home as euro zone partners made clear further funding for the debt-ridden country would hinge on adhering to agreed fiscal targets. ”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/18/greece-economy-idUSL5E7KI0N620110918

I don’t think they can last much longer, they are going under

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEnNUwfDIV4&NR=1

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-09-18 16:40:13

Not sure if this was posted TV Trouble shooter had his own troubles with……..real estate ,,,,,um look at the amount…..staggering

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_18894403

Comment by 2banana
2011-09-18 16:52:40

Denver TV and radio personality and businessman Tom Martino has filed for Chapter 7 personal bankruptcy protection, claiming assets of $1.37 million and liabilities of $78.6 million.

Dear Gawd…

75x leverage…

 
 
Comment by Patrick
2011-09-18 19:05:32

I don’t know if this has been posted but on the National CBC they said that a report I believe by RBC said Canada’s housing was about to fall by 25%.

I believe it.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 20:05:34

“Canada’s housing was about to fall by 25%.”

Yawn…

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 20:14:49

Sept. 18, 2011, 8:42 p.m. EDT
More warnings on China’s debt
Commentary: Shadow banking sparks new worries
By Craig Stephen

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Three years ago, China’s banks were widely applauded as they lent their way out of the last financial crisis, hauling much of the world with them. But now with these loans coming due and interest rates on the rise, officials and analysts are increasingly sounding the alarm.

Throw into the mix new revelations about the escalation of shadow banking, and it’s little surprise “China” and “subprime” are increasingly talked about in the same breath.

So far, the loans causing most unease are with local-government investment vehicles, estimated at up to $1.7 trillion. Cheng Siwei, a former vice-chairman of the standing committee of the National People’s Congress told the World Economic Forum last week in Dalian: “Our version of the U.S. subprime crisis is the lending to local governments, which is causing defaults.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 20:16:47

Sept. 18, 2011, 10:09 p.m. EDT
U.S. stock futures trade down sharply
By Sarah Turner

SYDNEY (MarketWatch) — U.S. stock futures were sharply lower in Asian trading hours on Monday after a weekend meeting of Europe’s finance ministers made little progress in solving the region’s debt problems and reignited concerns that Greece will default. Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA +0.66%) futures declined 1.3%, or 153 points, to 11,293, Nasdaq 100 futures were down 1.4% or 31.75 points at 2,275.50, while S&P 500 (SPX +0.57%) futures lost 1.6% or 18.60 points to 1,193.10.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-09-18 21:30:23

As soon as the PPT stumbles into work in the morning everything will be fine.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 20:23:01

Sliding toward financial crisis

An anti-austerity protester shouts at police officers outside the Greek parliament following an unscheduled cabinet meeting in Athens September 18, 2011. REUTERS/Yannis Behrakis

By Stella Dawson, U.S. Economics Editor

WASHINGTON | Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:01pm EDT

(Reuters) - Three years after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, the world’s financial system is sliding toward another major crisis.

At stake is the global recovery and future shape of Europe.

Calls are mounting for financial leaders of the world’s biggest economies meeting this week to take bold action, not on the scale of the $1 trillion rescue package of March 2009 but something equally important in policy terms.

The challenge for the Group of 20 talks in Washington on Thursday and Friday is to prevent a sovereign debt crisis centered in Greece from turning into a full-blown banking crisis. Such a crisis could engulf other indebted European countries, lead to messy defaults and plunge the region and world back into economic and financial turmoil.

“We have entered a dangerous new phase of the crisis,” said Christine Lagarde, managing director of the International Monetary Fund, last Thursday. “To navigate it, we need strong political will across the world — leadership over brinkmanship.”

World Bank President Robert Zoellick a day earlier said: “The time for muddling through is over.”

Pieces of a multipronged approach to the crisis have come into focus and should solidify further this week.

The political hurdles remain significant but if the parts of the program are endorsed by G20 finance ministers and central bankers, and their governments continue to deliver, investment strategists say turmoil in markets should abate.

Two factors are driving the crisis — political discord within Europe over how much support to give indebted euro-zone governments that are implementing tough fiscal austerity programs; and vulnerabilities within the region’s financial system, especially in France where banks hold 671.6 billion euros of government debt of high-deficit euro-zone countries.

These factors have fed upon each other in a vicious cycle. Talk among top German officials of Greece defaulting or leaving the euro zone has accelerated investor withdrawal of short-term funding to French banks, raising concerns about bank solvency.

To halt the cycle, the following steps are coming together:

* To support growth and ease lending costs, a growing number of central banks worldwide are loosening monetary conditions — an action likely to win the G20’s endorsement for countries where inflationary pressures are in check.

The Federal Reserve will play its part on Wednesday when it is expected to announce a plan to lower longer-term interest rates by shifting the balance of its $2.8 trillion securities portfolio away from short-term debt. How aggressively it does this, and whether it also cuts the interest rate paid to banks on their excess reserves held at the Fed, an idea gaining traction in markets, will signal the Fed’s degree of concern over the economic slowdown.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 20:27:39

The euro zone shuns Geithner
Sep 16, 2011 16:55 EDT

Tim Geithner has experience flying around the world to address finance ministers and instructing them on how to solve their problems. He was a senior executive at the IMF from 2011(?) to 2003, after all — a period which coincided with major sovereign crises in South America.

So it may or may not be surprising that his latest attempt at such activity, in sunny Wroclaw, fell spectacularly flat. He waltzed into a meeting of euro zone finance ministers (he took a private car, they shared a bus), and informed them that they should follow his lead and leverage the money in the EFSF. In unison, the finance ministers responded by saying “why, Mr Geithner, that’s a simply spectacular idea, we’re shamefaced to admit that we didn’t think of it ourselves. Thanks for your advice, we’ll follow it, to the letter, forthwith!”

Or, not so much:

Mr. Juncker said, pointedly, that the euro group was not discussing “an increase or expansion” of its bailout fund “with a nonmember of the euro area.”

That’s Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the group of euro area finance ministers, and he was being diplomatic.

“I found it peculiar that even though the Americans have significantly worse fundamental data than the euro zone that they tell us what we should do and when we make a suggestion … that they say no straight away,” Maria Fekter told reporters afterwards…

“We can always discuss with our American colleagues. I’d like to hear how the United States will reduce its deficits … and its debts,” Belgian Finance Minister Didier Reynders said somewhat tartly.

It’s pretty clear, here, that in the wake of the debt-ceiling debacle Geithner has lost a significant amount of international heft. And it’s also clear that the euro zone has absolutely no cohesion, nor any real ability to do anything at all to resolve the current crisis.

Clashing with U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, finance chiefs from the euro region said the 18-month debt crisis leaves no room for tax cuts or extra spending to spur an economy on the brink of stagnation.

I’m not sure that Geithner was the right person to send to Poland to try to knock European heads together. As the biggest shareholder of the IMF, he would probably have been better off conferring with Christine Lagarde and getting her to make his point for him. The Europeans were never likely to take well to the Americans telling them what to do, especially when their gentle attempts to ask something of Geithner (maybe you might consider getting on board with a financial transactions tax?) were unceremoniously dismissed out of hand by the Treasury secretary.

In any case, Geithner seems to have failed in whatever it was that he was trying to achieve: the only unanimity he managed to foster was in the belief that he had no business telling the euro zone what to do.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 20:30:34

Always remember, a closely-watched pot never boils over.

Investors peer through the gloom
By Natsuko Waki
LONDON | Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:23am EDT

(Reuters) - Even after a rare four-day rally in world stocks, investors are unlikely to let their guard down in a week filled with heavy U.S. and euro zone policy risks that could potentially disappoint again and trigger a sell-off.

There is no doubt gloom is widespread. However, investors are also beginning to realize that betting too strongly on a collapse of financial markets with policymakers poised for action to combat global crisis may be unwise.

Thursday’s coordinated action by five major central banks to add liquidity to a European banking system struggling with its dollar funding needs has lifted world stocks, measured by MSCI, from a one-year low.

Focus in the coming week will be on a policy meeting of the U.S. Federal Reserve. The Fed is posed to increase downward pressure on long-term interest rates to spur the recovery, reviving “Operation Twist,” first undertaken in the 1960s.

Despite the rally in the past week, the MSCI index is still down more than 9 percent since January and the third quarter performance looks set to be the worst since the June-September period in 2010.

Furthermore, against conventional wisdom, total returns on a 10-year rolling basis on government bonds are higher than on equities. This is providing much food for thought for long-term investors.

“In a very short term, positive news may come out and policymakers will announce something. Economic data is not as bad as falls in the market would’ve suggested. So over the next 4-6 weeks we could get slightly higher,” said Jeremy Beckwith, chief investment officer at wealth manager Kleinwort Benson.

“Everyone is hoping policymakers are coming up with good ideas, although it’s hard to see what good ideas are… The euro zone is such a huge issue and one day you could wake up and find out Greece has defaulted and get caught out. So our position is to underweight risk.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 20:38:18

So the latest is that DSK boinked the maid, FOR FREE, but it was not rape.

The story was a lot more convincing before the clarification about how the maid supposedly offered free sex to someone she just met. By contrast, Clinton had plenty of time to get to know Lewinsky before the onset of their tryst.

18 September 2011 Last updated at 19:24 ET
Dominique Strauss-Kahn rues New York hotel maid liaison

New York prosecutors dropped all criminal charges against Strauss-Kahn last month, though he still faces a civil suit

Dominique Strauss-Kahn has described his liaison with a hotel maid in New York, over which he was charged with attempted rape, as “inappropriate”.

In his first TV interview since charges were dropped, the ex-IMF chief said he regretted the affair had lost him his chance to stand for French president, but denied using violence.

He said he had been afraid and humiliated by the US justice system.

Mr Strauss-Kahn, 62, resigned as IMF chief in May after his arrest.

The maid, Nafissatou Diallo, is bringing a civil suit against him.

The criminal charges were dropped in August when prosecutors said Ms Diallo’s lack of credibility meant the case could not continue.
‘Missed appointment’

Mr Strauss-Kahn was questioned by Claire Chazal, a friend of his wife Anne Sinclair, on the main Sunday night bulletin of France’s TV1 - watched by a huge audience.

“What happened was more than an inappropriate relationship. It was an error,” he said, adding that he regretted it infinitely.

Dominique Strauss-Kahn had waited a fortnight to give his side of the story. “Everyone has had their chance”, he said, “except me.”

He brought with him a copy of the New York prosecutor’s report. “There was neither violence nor coercion nor aggression or any criminal act,” he said. “Neither scratches or injuries, no sign of violence. Not my words but the words of the prosecutor.”

Since his return to France, a team of lawyers and advisers have been heavily involved in the negotiations for this interview. But scripted or not, there was an apology to the French people and his family.

This was a very astute politician who wanted to present himself as a victim.

In all it was a polished performance from a politician who has had plenty of time to consider the questions he might be asked.

The reaction in the coming days from his party and the public will tell us whether there is sympathy with that position and whether ultimately his rehabilitation is possible.

Strauss-Kahn’s ‘moment of truth’

“I think it was a moral failing and I am not proud of it,” he told Ms Chazal.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 20:44:36

Denmark’s Housing Market Faces Correction as Buyers Shun 25% Overvaluation
By Frances Schwartzkopff - Sep 18, 2011 3:01 PM PT

Denmark’s property market may be facing another correction after a housing boom that turned to bust at the height of the financial crisis failed to push prices low enough to entice buyers.

The Nordic country’s housing market may still be as much as 25 percent overvalued, according to Jes Asmussen, chief economist in Copenhagen at Svenska Handelsbanken AB.

“Denmark is at risk of getting trapped in a very, very slow growth environment,” Asmussen said in an interview. “There’s a risk that we will lose credibility in the financial markets in the long run.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 20:46:43

The Financial Times
September 18, 2011 7:47 pm
Spanish lenders to be seized by Madrid
By Victor Mallet in Madrid

Spain’s official bank rescue fund, Frob, is preparing to nationalise three more groups of savings banks at the end of the month at a cost of nearly €5bn ($6.9bn), but could allow two others extra time to find investors to help boost their capital, according to people familiar with the discussions.

NovaCaixaGalicia (NCG), Caixa Catalunya and Unnim are expected to be recapitalised by Frob after failing to present adequate plans to secure new investors by a September 10 deadline.

The two that are likely to benefit from a temporary reprieve are Liberbank and BMN (Banco Mare Nostrum). Foreign investors have recently been examining the assets of most of the banks with capital shortfalls and, says one Madrid businessman involved, “they have certainly been spending a lot of time and due diligence on it”.

NCG, meanwhile, was quoted by Bloomberg as saying that Christopher Flowers of US private equity firm JC Flowers & Co met NCG executives in Galicia on Friday, in what is likely to have been an 11th-hour attempt by NCG to find a financial saviour and escape the clutches of the state.

All the groups have been created out of mergers between regional cajas as part of a nationwide restructuring plan that has already reduced the number of cajas from 45 to 15 and forced most of them to establish commercial banks.

With its lenders battered by the collapse of the country’s housing construction boom in 2007 and by the eurozone’s sovereign debt crisis, Spain earlier this year ordered its banks to ensure core capital ratios of at least 10 per cent of risk-weighted assets, or 8 per cent if they were listed on the stock exchange or had outside investors, by September 30.

The government and the central bank originally calculated that the total amount of new capital needed in the banking system was about €15bn, of which nearly €4bn was subsequently raised from the initial public offerings of Bankia and Banca Cívica in July.

Bank analysts say the final bill for the taxpayers will be two or three times as much as the official €15bn projection and possibly more than €50bn.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 20:48:18

Spanish house price drop continues as road show hits Hamburg
15 September 2011, 07:44 PM

Spanish house prices dropped by 6.8% year-on-year in August, according to the National Statistics Institute, even as a delegation of Spanish real estate developers and banks, led by Housing Minister Beatriz Corredor, visited Hamburg to showcase 4,000 houses as part of Madrid’s attempts to shift the nation’s ballooning housing stock.

Billed as ideal second homes for northern Europeans and made more attractive by discounts of up to 40% on 2007 prices, a reduced value-added tax on purchases and a guaranteed legal framework for investors, the majority of the houses are located on the Balearic and Canary islands and along the Mediterranean coast. “The initiative aims to recover channels of communication, distribution and sale with the main markets interested in holiday homes, which represent a third of all of Spain’s residential units,” Corredor told the Europa Press portal. This second phase of the road show begins as National Statistics Institute (INE) data show house prices dropped by 6.8% year-on-year in August, while sales have slumped more than 30%.

Behind British home buyers, Germans have the largest investment in Spanish residential real estate, up 13% in 2010 against 2009, while 8.8m German tourists visited Spain, 16.7% of total foreign arrivals. The road show will continue to France, the Netherlands, Sweden and the UK through October.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 20:52:06

Deflating speculation on the property bubble
David Potts
September 18, 2011

Home prices will halve over the next few years, says the only forecaster to have predicted both the record sharemarket run to 2007 as well as the subsequent GFC. And that was in 1993.

More recently, he also predicted the property collapse in the US, selling his Florida home at the peak in 2005 and renting ever since.

He’s predicting a second big drop in the US and Australia’s first, which, in four years, could turn McMansions into ghost houses.

Harry Dent, who runs the US-based forecaster HS Dent Foundation, isn’t alone in predicting property prices will collapse.

US experts do seem gobsmacked by our prices, understandable when theirs were down 18.9 per cent at one point - and that’s an average, so some houses did far worse - which is a bigger slump than during the Great Depression.

No wonder our banks have produced special housing price studies for their roadshows in the US. The gist is, what are you worried about?

Plenty, it seems.

The world’s most successful fund manager, Jeremy Grantham of GMO, said on a visit earlier this year that Australian property was a bubble about to burst, though later recanted slightly to suggest it might deflate slowly rather than pop.

But there are also local economists, still a minority, who say the same.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-18 20:53:41

US banks step up actions against homeowners (01:49)

Banks have stepped up their actions against US homeowners who have fallen behind on their mortgage payments. 16/09/11

 
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