September 21, 2011

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Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 03:32:04

~ After this fails to produce the out come the meddlers are looking for, then the QE-III will be launched.

ITEM: Fed is expected to take new action to lift economy
Fed is expected to announce new action to try to lower long-term rates and boost economy.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Federal Reserve is running out of options to try to boost a slumping economy and lower unemployment. So policymakers are expected to reach 50 years back into their playbook for their next move.

Most economists expect the Fed to announce a plan Wednesday to shift money in its $1.7 trillion portfolio out of short-term securities and into longer-term holdings.

The plan could lower Treasury yields further. Ultimately, it could reduce rates on mortgages and other consumer and business loans, too.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke is expected to advocate the move despite criticism from within the Fed and from Republican lawmakers and presidential candidates.

On Monday, the four highest-ranking Republicans in Congress sent Bernanke a letter cautioning the Fed against taking further steps to lower interest rates. Their letter suggested that lower rates could escalate the risk of high inflation.

The plan the Fed is considered most likely to unveil Wednesday has been dubbed “Operation Twist” and dates to the early 1960s. The Fed used a similar program then to “twist” long-term rates lower relative to short-term rates.

Expectations that the Fed will do so again, along with renewed fears of another recession, have led investors to buy up U.S. Treasurys. Treasury yields have dropped in response.

The yield on the 10-year Treasury note last week touched a historic low of 1.87 percent. On Tuesday, it finished slightly higher, 1.93 percent.

Comment by michael
2011-09-21 06:10:17

could this invert the yield curve?

 
Comment by rms
2011-09-21 07:08:27

“Ultimately, it could reduce rates on mortgages and other consumer and business loans, too.”

Savers like me are getting screwed, so I’ll continue my policy of unnecessary consumption. In addition, incomes and retirement benefits are falling, so the fed policy is little more than pushing on the proverbial rope.

Comment by combotechie
2011-09-21 07:25:11

“Saver like me are getting screwed, so I’ll continue my policy of unnecessary consumption. In addition, incomes are retirement benifits are falling …”

Listen to yourself: “Incomes and retirement benifits are falling”. This means less cash will be going into the System, which means the cash that does go into the System will be valued more.

“…so I’ll continue my policy of unnecessary consumption.”

The wrong policy to follow, IMO, for the reason stated above.

Comment by cactus
2011-09-21 11:48:42

from Zillow force inflation
“What’s happening is we’re converting a lot of owner-occupied housing stock into renter-occupied stock…and the multi-family sector is growing to service new demand,” he explains. “We’re seeing strong movement [of] investors moving in to arbitrage distressed owner-occupied stock and convert into rental stock where there’s high demand.”

If current trends continue, rental prices will eventually rise so high that home buying will become attractive again to more Americans; at that point, the housing market can finally establish a bottom.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-09-21 11:55:56

“What’s happening is we’re converting a lot of owner-occupied housing stock into renter-occupied stock…and the multi-family sector is growing to service new demand,” he explains. “We’re seeing strong movement [of] investors moving in to arbitrage distressed owner-occupied stock and convert into rental stock where there’s high demand.”

Here in Tucson, we have quite a surplus of empty rentals. And, I suspect, a lot of other cities are like this one.

So, unless there’s a way to create tenants out of thin air, there will be quite a few vacant rentals for the foreseeable future.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-09-22 07:17:05

Again I ask, if rents rise higher than mortgages, how does this make the mortgages that people CAN’T affford now, affordable?

 
 
 
Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-21 08:13:50

The interest rate paid on my savings was a big reason I am buying a solar system. On paper I will at least earn 5% based on a ten year ROI. The bank pays 0.24% on balances and a 10yr CD will get 2.45%

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-09-21 08:21:48

It’s been said that when financial investment returns are low, it’s time to invest in your physcial security.

That is a very good return. Especially if you consider future energy costs.

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Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 08:36:05

Kinda hard to dig a bomb shelter if you rent a 2-bed garden apartment…

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-09-21 09:24:01

“Kinda hard to dig a bomb shelter if you rent a 2-bed garden apartment…”

True, but there are other ways to invest in your personal safety. One is to doggedly avoid long term debt agreements. I only harp on this to those I have some little shred of regard for.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 09:31:44

Point taken, Blue..

 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 21:24:05

REAL ESTATE
SEPTEMBER 22, 2011

Tossing a Lifeline to Housing Market
By NICK TIMIRAOS

The Federal Reserve’s decision to reinvest payments from mortgages in its portfolio into government-backed mortgage securities signals a renewed effort to help consumers take advantage of interest rates that have fallen to their lowest levels in decades.

Wednesday’s announcement follows recent talks between the White House and federal regulators to ease hurdles to refinancing for borrowers whose loans are backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The Fed said its action “would help support conditions in mortgage markets and contribute to a stronger economic recovery.” The central bank hopes that by restraining the supply of mortgage-backed securities in the hands of private investors, it will support their price and thus push down the yields, which could trickle through to borrowers in the form of lower mortgage rates.

A $1.25 trillion program of mortgage-backed securities purchases by the Fed, which ended in March 2010, is widely believed to have had that effect. Its holdings of those securities have since fallen to about $885 billion.

The Fed won’t increase its overall portfolio of mortgage bonds. Instead, it is simply taking the cash it gets when bonds in the existing portfolio mature and reinvesting it into other mortgage-backed securities.

“This is a way of saying, ‘We are going to also foster low mortgage rates, and if the market isn’t interested in buying them, well, we will buy them,’ ” said Keith Gumbinger, vice president at financial publisher HSH Associates.

 
 
Comment by CA renter
2011-09-21 03:40:45

Update on our housing purchase.

Like many of you recommended, we walked when the listing agent tried to claim that our appraisal was wrong (about $50K below list). We live in the neighborhood and know the appraisal is spot on.

Cancelled the contract that night because I refuse to deal with a lying scumbag realtor.

The next morning (Tuesday), the realtor calls our agent basically wondering what went wrong. Said that the sellers wanted to sell to us, against her recommendation, and they agreed to our price and terms.

We will (hopefully) close escrow today or Thursday.

We are NOT buying at the bottom, and expect to lose at least $200K on the value of the house. We were fortunate enough to make more than that on the sale of our last house, so I’m trying to console ourselves with the fact that we will be no worse off than if we had done a sale and purchase pre-bubble. That being said, we plan on this being our toe-tag house, so will close our eyes after we close escrow and go about our lives (finally!). It is well within our level of affordability, so that helps with the decision to buy.

We are buying this house because it is literally our dream house. It’s not a fancy house — it’s under 1,800 sf, and still has Formica countertops, original kitchen and bathrooms, and standard beige carpet — but it’s only a few doors down from our beloved rental where we’ve raised our kids for the past 7 1/2 years. We know all the neighbors, and LOVE, LOVE, LOVE our neighborhood. It’s a single-story, 4/2, with a very large backyard and a pool, no Mello-Roos or HOA. You just can’t find those around here (not at any price), and we’ve been looking for over 10 years. When we walked in the door, it just felt like home. We’ve never felt that way about any other house we’ve seen, and we’ve literally been in hundreds of houses (at least) over the years.

So, while we wish this house would have come on the market in another 18 months (when I think we’ll be much closer to a bottom), we have to do what we have to do to get on with our lives.

Thanks for all your support and insights over the years, guys and gals! For those who are still waiting, and still wish to buy, I wish you the very best, and hope that you find your home soon. For those who decide to continue renting, I think that’s a very wise decision as well, and wish you a wonderful lifetime of memories in your homes, because a renter’s home IS their HOME (I’ve gotten so sick and tired of hearing that our beloved home is not “our” home…Ummmm, yes, it is.

Let the next leg of the downturn commence! :)

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 05:47:25

Good decision — but also great that you tried to work something out that met your family’s needs (including your family budget). All signs currently point to a surge in California foreclosures, so I am guessing better opportunities lie ahead for anyone who is left standing and is still interested in buying a home.

Comment by CA renter
2011-09-21 21:53:13

Absolutely, PB. No doubt about it in my mind.

 
 
Comment by poormancometh
2011-09-21 05:48:20

Congrats. You and your family have put the required effort into your purchase. The problem is you are not the norm.
It is simply amazing how quickly people make one of the biggest financial decisions of their life and the criteria they use in buying it. Do most have a buyers agent or look at comps, NO; Do they project the costs of ownership other than the monthly payment, NO; Do shop for a mortgage, NO; do they actually read the mortgage/deed/disclaimers, NOT even the big bold words.

Buying a house should take longer than ordering off a menu, but you would be amazed at what people do. But don’t question them, it is their right.

Comment by AV0CADO
2011-09-21 10:45:28

Kinda like it takes 5 mins to get married and two years to get divorced.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 14:58:30

And a lifetime to make alimony payments…

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 05:49:38

“…our beloved home is not “our” home…”

The place we rent is ‘our’ home, but our landlord’s ‘investment’ — especially at times like right now, after a gopher has dug up the front lawn.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 05:55:53

OMG, I am so happy for you Ca Renter. Evidently, it was meant to be. You gave us insight as to holding our ground should we get into the same “cat fight” with a listing agent.

How can you close escrow so soon? How many days has it been?
You must have GREAT kamra! Best health & happiness in your new home.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 06:00:05

oops…karma

 
Comment by CA renter
2011-09-21 21:57:55

Thanks, Awaiting!

Yes, I’ll be the first to admit that we have been exceptionally fortunate in so many ways. Not sure if it’s “karma,” since there are far more deserving people out there, but we definitely count our blessings every day. IMHO, it’s easy to get bogged down in the negative things (DH and I have had more than our fair share)…but we try daily to focus on the positives, and that seems to work wonders. :)

I know your turn will be coming soon! You are looking for the same thing we’ve been looking for, and you’re in the same financial situation. For years, it looked like it wouldn’t work out for us, but this year seems to have shifted in our favor — more inventory that we like has been coming on the market, and all of it at better prices than we’ve seen since around 2003. Still not low enough, but at least we are making progress.

Best of luck to you in your search! It’s coming…

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 06:07:00

we’ve literally been in hundreds of houses (at least) over the years.

Awesome! CA renter & way to support your family and neighborhood “community” by strengthening your roots.

[So, if due diligence took this much energy & critical thinking skills (+36 pages of legal e$crow paperwork) it appears that the "providing "$helter" ProFEE$ional Industrial RE Complex" has mastered the game.]

“Potato Shack” morning soiree! :-)

Comment by CA renter
2011-09-21 21:59:19

Thanks, Hwy!

Yes, we are all about having roots in our community. Please let us know the next time you and the family come down here, as we’d love to have you over for a BBQ, and Mr. Cole can go swimming with the kids. :)

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-21 06:11:23

Congrats Ca Renter but don’t be running off. Stick around.

Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 06:23:05

I concur. Come back a few times, k?

Although HBB wants to wait for the lowest price, in some areas of the country, it’s getting to the point where buying is becoming the financially sound option.

 
Comment by CA renter
2011-09-21 21:41:16

Thanks, guys!

I’ll definitely be sticking around. The posters here are some of the most informed and honest people I’ve ever met! I’ve become very attached…even to those whose opinions I strongly disagree with. :)

Thanks for all the wonderful years on the HBB!

 
 
Comment by scdave
2011-09-21 06:56:00

but it’s only a few doors down from our beloved rental where we’ve raised our kids for the past 7 1/2 years. We know all the neighbors, and LOVE, LOVE, LOVE our neighborhood. It’s a single-story, 4/2, with a very large backyard and a pool, no Mello-Roos or HOA. You just can’t find those around here (not at any price), and we’ve been looking for over 10 years ??

Buying for the right reasons…And, you get 12 more years in one spot to finish raising those kids and all the lovely memories that come with it…Health & Happiness to Ca Renter and family… :)

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2011-09-21 06:59:14

Congrats!

As one of the people that said, “Be prepared to walk”, I’m glad it worked out. Even more so, because that statement has been eating at me ever since I posted it: I really wanted to follow-up with a strategy to get you the house. But I couldn’t think of one.

So I’m glad that the sellers see reality even if their agent does not. Good for you.

[Disclosure: The Chile's finally bought this year after being around these parts since 2006.]

Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 07:18:29

Bad Chile-
Refresh us.
What did you buy?
Reasonable deal?
How did the transaction go?
Insights?
Dish please.
(It’s a data point for us still looking.)

Comment by Bad Chile
2011-09-21 08:29:54

I’d like to think we got a reasonable deal: it was a FSBO that had languished on the market for over six months mostly because it was priced about 10% above what the comps indicated. Adding to the problem is in this northeast market, rare is the house that sells in winter. And it was winter. The NAR cartel is strong here, we have the feeling that the sellers could have offloaded it at their asking price if they paid a 6%er for the help.

We discovered through property searches that the sellers already took ownership of a property that was due for completion at the end of the month we wanted to close in, so we used that to our advantage in negotiations.

The house is reasonable but small - 3 bed/1.5 bathrooms on a small lot, last house on a dead end street that dead ends because the town water supply starts there (not a lake, but groundwater wells). It was built in the 50s, has a few quirks but nothing major. It was the only house in the HBB acceptable price range (my income only, we ignored Ms. Chile’s) that had a two car garage. Has a slightly finished basement opposite the bedrooms I use as my guitar room.

The negotiations had a few problems, largely related to the seller’s ignorance of real estate law (their lawyer was a family friend). I discovered through the local building department that not a single permit had been pulled for many of their permit required rennovations, so had to teach the seller’s lawyer how to pull an after-the-fact permit [the sellers wanted to hand me $1000 to make the problem go away, I didn't want the liability]. We threatened to walk during the price negotiations when we were told that there was another offer on the table, we politely informed the sellers they were under no obligation to us.

We had previously offered on four other houses this spring, twice we were flatly told no, twice were asked to increase our offer. One we increased it $1000 and were told off; the other we increased by 1.5% of our offer price (to our maximum offer for the property) and were invited back again. We walked away saying we didn’t want to play the game. Our representative was more than happy with our strategy.

My free advice (worth every penny you pay for it) advice to others here that are looking: make a few offers so you get used to the offer process before you find a house you want. Seriously - it is confusing and filled with emotion. Lowball a house you kinda like just to get used to the process and emotions. Don’t be afraid of walking away, because there is always another seller, but odds are this is the only house the seller is trying to offload. Don’t view it as investment, assume in 30 years the house will be have no dollar value and will only provide shelter. Oh yeah, if there are tall trees in the lot, get an arborist inspection.

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 09:09:06

Bad Chile
I read your adventure, advice, and your cautions. Boy, what a great tale.

Your tale of how you found it, your due diligence IQ (high), and the ups and downs of your tale, helps me a lot.

Best health and happiness in your home.
Thank you-
Awaiting

 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 09:36:46

“Lowball a house you kinda like just to get used to the process and emotions. ”

Maybe I should offer $150K for the Two-Boob house, still on the market for $480K: :-)

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/18510-New-Hampshire-Ave-Ashton-MD-20861/37206011_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2011-09-21 10:01:44

Wow. Two-boob is right!

Notice the electricity isn’t on. No pool pump running. Interesting. Good luck. I’d lowball $99k, but I don’t like the headache of having a pool. I’ll get a membership in the local pool club, or send the mini-chiles to a house with a pool so my kids can drink their Sunny D and eat their graham crackers.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 10:11:42

oxide
Wow, if you low ball and get it, you’ll have to host the 1st HBB sleepover.LOL
Cool house!

 
Comment by polly
2011-09-21 14:29:00

How can you tell it is a cool house? I can’t see anything in the pictures. The layout looks like it might be cool from the outside, but you can’t really tell if you can’t see the rooms in the pictures.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-21 18:14:40

Interesting post Chile, thank you.

I concur with you about making offers. Last Oct I wrote an offer on a house we liked and did so in an icy, deliberative, emotionless way. I was ready to write the check if they accepted and walk if they rejected. This is my price, I know what it’s worth. Period. Mrs. RAL was and is even more indifferent and glacial. We already have a rapidly depreciating house in her family trust and we’ll stay there until the high dollar employment runs out. I honestly do not give a #$%&.

Guess what? It’s still for sale. I honestly don’t give a crap because there are dozens more coming that are nicer.

 
 
 
Comment by CA renter
2011-09-21 22:03:13

Great news, Bad Chile! Congratulations on your house! :)

You did the right thing by counting only one income. That was one of our requirements, too. If everyone did that, we could ALL have affordable housing. It’s a shame that those of us who try to plan and live a debt-free lifestyle are always forced to compete with the biggest losers who never think twice about digging themselves deeper and deeper in debt.

Hope you and your family enjoy many, many years in your home!

 
 
Comment by rms
2011-09-21 07:23:46

“We are NOT buying at the bottom, and expect to lose at least $200K on the value of the house. We were fortunate enough to make more than that on the sale of our last house, so I’m trying to console ourselves with the fact that we will be no worse off than if we had done a sale and purchase pre-bubble.”

I’ve never experienced a financial windfall — poor timing I suppose.

“When we walked in the door, it just felt like home. We’ve never felt that way about any other house we’ve seen, and we’ve literally been in hundreds of houses (at least) over the years.”

Glad to hear that you could make California your home.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-09-21 09:52:13

We know all the neighbors, and LOVE, LOVE, LOVE our neighborhood.

And this is the key point. If you feel that way about the nabe, stick around.

 
Comment by AV0CADO
2011-09-21 10:47:26

How can you lose $200k more? Was it more than $800k?

Comment by CA renter
2011-09-21 22:05:06

No, it’s between $500K and $600K…smack dab in the middle of the range that will get hit the hardest during the next leg of the downturn, IMHO.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2011-09-21 12:07:27

Let the next leg of the downturn commence!

thats not certain you may have hit near the bottom

As you said homes like the one you bought are very rare in costal ca del mar area I think you said maybe a bit farther north ?

pretty nice beaches down there enjoy

Comment by CA renter
2011-09-21 21:48:15

Oh, no! Definitely not Del Mar (don’t we wish!). It’s inland CBD. Still nice, but very simple…which is just the way we like it. :)

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2011-09-21 13:56:22

Tee hee, CA. Way to outflank the real litter. What fun that call must have been!

You just know this twit is going to try some other machination before escrow closes, so stay on your toes, tell the sellers how much you love their house and hope everything goes smoothly, and read the fine print.

This is a real HBB success story. Very happy for youse!

Comment by CA renter
2011-09-21 21:49:43

Thank you, ahansen!

I might have to ask your advice when it comes to planting food. There are some fruit trees, and we plan to have a garden area. With the way food prices have been rising, it would be nice to grow some of our own. That’s one thing we’ve been looking forward to WRT buying a house.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-09-21 16:29:00

Something older people forget…….stairs

It’s a single-story, 4/2,

Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-09-21 20:36:53

Ca Renter …I know you did good ……..I can feel it .

Comment by CA renter
2011-09-21 21:46:41

Thank you so much, Wiz. :)

We are happy with the purchase. Didn’t get a “steal,” but got a fair price for today’s market.

You’re always welcome to stop by whenever you’re in our neck of the woods! Just let us know when you’re headed to the San Diego area.

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Comment by palmetto
2011-09-21 04:21:39

Not that you’ll see any of this in the lamestream media, but the “Occupy Wall Street” movement hasn’t given up yet. Saw some video posted on Huffpo, police goons dragging some of the protestors off, that sort of thing.

The problem with these sorts of protests is that they don’t handle the police up front. Say what you want about Michael Moore, but when he did some filming on Wall Street and put up some crime scene tape around one of the bankster buildings, he was approached by one of the local constabulary and he asked the guy if it was OK. The guy laughed and said “sure, you should see what they did to our pension plan”.

So that’s the stand ANY protest movement against the banksters has to take. Put up a little refreshment stand for the police. Give them some flyers so they can educate themselves. Have a banner that says “The Real Criminals are Over There” or “Join Us, They’ve Screwed You, Too”.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 06:24:10

Hwy concurs.

So that’s the stand ANY protest movement against the banksters [Cheney-$hrub War Lie$ Machine, Mon$anto "Organics-are-over-rated", China-does-a-body-good Global Export Machine, Medical Indu$trial "we-compete-on-price$" Complex, Health Insurance "we're-$o-$mart-we-only-bill-you-once" Indu$trial-Financial Machine, et. al.,...etc., etc., etc.] has to take. Put up a little refreshment stand for the police. Give them some flyers so they can educate themselves [+ "move-your-money" + "boycott 'em"]. Have a banner that says “The Real Criminals are Over There” or “Join Us, They’ve Screwed You, Too”.

Peace! :-)

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-09-21 06:33:02

Unfortunately peaceful demonstrations rarely make the nightly news, whereas tear-gassed rock throwers get more publicity.

Comment by palmetto
2011-09-21 07:31:34

It’s not exactly peaceful is my point. The police are cuffing and arresting people for really obscure stuff like wearing a mask or stepping over the line, anything they can get ‘em on.

Why do some many police look like fire plugs?

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-09-21 08:44:03

Steroids.

It’s all the rage.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-21 10:17:27

Between the obesity epidemic and the steroids mania, a lot of people are going to croak prematurely.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-09-21 10:25:38

Between the obesity epidemic and the steroids mania, a lot of people are going to croak prematurely.

Tell me about it.

A couple of days ago, I was talking with a former neighbor from my growing up years. I asked him how his sister was doing, and he said that she was doing as well as she could — under the circumstances.

Whiskey tango foxtrot? What circumstances?

My former neighbor told me that his sister’s husband died in his sleep last summer. He was 68 years old, and the death was unexpected.

Well, TTYTT, when I last saw him back in 1999, I was struck by how much weight he’d gained since he was a young man. The guy looked like heart failure looking for a place to happen.

Well, in the summer of 2010, guess what happened. If you guessed “heart failure,” you’re right.

That whole family is still grief-stricken. They lost a good man. And so did the rest of us.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-09-21 14:19:08

That’s my point. If it had been peaceful how much coverage would it have gotten?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-09-21 09:56:24

The problem with these sorts of protests is that they don’t handle the police up front. Say what you want about Michael Moore, but when he did some filming on Wall Street and put up some crime scene tape around one of the bankster buildings, he was approached by one of the local constabulary and he asked the guy if it was OK. The guy laughed and said “sure, you should see what they did to our pension plan”.

Very true!

I’m in the process of organizing a bicycling event here in Tucson. Although this event probably won’t need a police escort (there aren’t that many of us) or streets blocked off, I’ve gotten the TPD into the loop anyway.

Why? Because a lot of the officers like to ride during their off-duty hours. I’d be delighted to have them come out and join us.

Not to mention future events. If this one is successful, then I’ll be organizing much bigger events that will need police assistance. So, it’s best to make that contact now.

I could write you another essay about cultivating the neighborhood associations along the route, but that’s a topic for another time.

Comment by MrBubble
2011-09-21 18:12:56

Hey Slim! Good luck with the bike event. It’s super important to raise awareness of the non-motorized two-wheelers. I took a short ride to the store in my new town and it was a s### show. There is no one walking or biking, there are tons of drive-thru fast food joints, corpulent children, the roads are huge and the traffic signals are a nightmare.

A woman and her husband attempted to chide me for being in her “gated community” (full of hideous condos) as I tried to avoid going back up a hill to get to the bank because I missed the entrance. Tons of parking with no way to access it except from a route 101 off ramp. Nightmare. She called me back and I expected her to help me out with directions.

“Didn’t you see the sign? You don’t live here.” I dropped some caustic back-talk to the “sign, sign, everywhere a sign people”, replete with f-bombs and they were taken aback. They must have thought that I was from Marin. Yeah, I moved from Marin, but I am FROM Boston and I’ll get my back up if you get snotty with me!

Score one for the lumpen.

 
 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 04:29:17

California Housing Market Sees August Boom
http://www.mainstreet.com/article/real-estate/buying/california-housing-market-sees-august-boom

Yesterday, a title rep told me homes under $100K in the desert were selling. How about civilization?
Inventory is tight in job corridors, and people are buying a “I’ll settle for” home, was her opinion.

Ca Renter-
What’s happening with your transaction?

Comment by Bad Chile
2011-09-21 09:38:25

Inventory is tight in job corridors, and people are buying a “I’ll settle for” home, was her opinion.

That is what the Chile’s found outside of Boston. The 20% of homes that were reasonably priced for the specifics of location/condition/lot would go within a week, 60% were unreasonable and would sit for years, and the remainder would reduce their price in dribs and drabs until they became one of the 20% that were reasonably priced.

A house in the Chile’s nabe went on the market shortly after we closed - in almost all aspects an indentical house but with a 50 year old kitchen and right off the major road. The asking price was 10% less than what we paid. It closed for 5% more than we paid. We are shocked someone would fall for the manufacturered/fake bidding war, but that is exactly what happened.

The lesson, as the HBB has been preaching for years: price agressively and you’ll sell, get greedy and you’ll sit.

 
 
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2011-09-21 04:33:11
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-09-21 06:36:26

It seems backwards, but your deposit is considered a liability on the bank’s balance sheet, whereas any loan they make is an asset. Since they choose not to increase the asset side of their balance sheet they certainly don’t want you to add to their liabilities.

Comment by Jim A
2011-09-21 10:51:39

yes, but they also have the cash that you gave them, so from a balance sheet point of view, your putting money in the bank does does nothing. OTOH, they CAN lend out more money than you have deposited with them. But with rates so low, and so many loans going bad, banks have tended to hoard their cash rather than lend it.

 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-09-21 08:47:09

NEVER use a bank unless you have to. A CU or S&L is far better.

If those are not options, then your matress is the next best place. No joke. No fees. No limited access. No payment games.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-09-21 09:58:48

You can also set up an account with Treasury Direct. Good place to stash your savings.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 11:42:19

…and no direct deposit, which is required at my place of employ.

I use a local bank which I bascially use as an electronic mattress. I pay $5 a month and I don’t mind doing it. It’s an FU to the Big Boys who pretend to offer Free Checking but in truth make up for it in fees on the poor.

 
 
 
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Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 04:57:20

More Americans Are Doubling-Up
(A week old article, but nevertheless interesting.)
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/09/13/more-americans-are-doubling-up/

Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 12:06:34

Lots of reader comments about how kids at home “aren’t learning life skills” or “aren’t motivated” or “kick them out” or whatever.

There is still a HUGE chunk of the population who thinks that this is the late 1970’s, where a steady income, and a livable house within 2.5x of that income, was available to anyone who put forth even a little effort. (one co-worker was of that mindset until recently, when his son got caught in the recession.)

I saw this in the greatest generationa, and now in old boomers who can’t seem to break out of the “work hard and you’ll be successful” mindset. Well sure, it worked for their generations — and for ONLY their generations, it seems.

Comment by Bad Chile
2011-09-21 12:21:11

Bingo.

I try explaining to my old man that salaries aren’t as impressive as they seem because of the lack of a pension. Try explaining to him that I have to put aside at least 20% if I even want to pretend to have a retirement like his and his eyes glaze over.

“Wait, you don’t have a pension?”

Nope. Only one person I know has a pension, and they work for the state.

Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 12:34:08

These are the same people who think that “layoff” means that you stay home for a couple weeks until they call you back to the factory. :roll:

Unemployment is still measured in weekly jobless claims because workers would claim UI 1-2 weeks at a time. The system was never set up for long-term unemployment.

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Comment by polly
2011-09-21 14:42:26

I expect to have a small pension and I am still trying to explain to my mother that since I am single, I not only have to save for myself, I have to save for the spouse I don’t have. It isn’t that much cheaper for one person to live than it is for two. I really don’t think she gets it. Dad might, but he doesn’t contradict mom in those conversations.

How many middle aged women do you know whose mothers harrass them that they don’t have a nice enough TV? What, my $25 Craig’s list special isn’t good enough? It’s a Sony.

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Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 04:58:31

Middle-class income fell in the last decade
CNN MONEY - September 21, 2011

It’s official. The first decade of the 21st century will go down in the history books as a step back for the American middle class.

Last week, the government made gloomy headlines when it released the latest census report showing the poverty rate rose to a 17-year high. A whopping 46.2 million people (or 15.1% of the U.S. population) live in poverty and 49.9 million live without health insurance.

But the data also gave the first glimpse of what happened to middle-class incomes in the first decade of the millennium. While the earnings of middle-income Americans have barely budged since the mid 1970s, the new data showed that from 2000 to 2010, they actually regressed.

For American households in the middle of the pay scale, income fell to $49,445 last year, when adjusted for inflation, a level not seen since 1996. And over the 10-year period, their income is down 7%.

“Economists talk about the lost decade in Japan. Well, with these 2010 data, we can confirm the lost decade for the American middle class,” said Jared Bernstein, senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Sure, it’s fair to say Americans at all levels of income, from rich to poor, were hit hard in the decade that started with the dot-com boom and bust, and ended with the Great Recession.

Rising costs for middle class

But according to the census data, those losses disproportionately hit the lowest 60% of Americans, while the richest 40% actually gained wealth, relative to the entire U.S. economy.

Much of that trend can be explained by massive losses in the housing sector, the period of high unemployment that ensued, and rising prices that flew in the face of the American family’s heightened financial struggles.

Unlike the richest Americans, middle class families have most of their wealth tied up in the equity of their homes, which took a beating in the recession. And high unemployment has left many people with little or no other income at all.

At the same time that Americans had less cash to spend, they were also being hit with rising prices for some crucial items. Even accounting for inflation, it still costs more to buy a home, fill your gas tank, go to the doctor and put food on the table than it did only 10 years ago.

And not only is it more expensive to live a middle-class life, it cost more to get there too. The price of a college education — still considered the ticket to higher wages and a better lifestyle — has surged over the last decade, even in spite of the recession.

Facing these burdens, the American Dream is undergoing stark changes, with fewer people choosing to buy homes and more young people postponing their own independent lives. The census data showed about 14.2% of all young people ages 25 to 34 are still living in their parents’ homes this year, compared to about 11.8% before the recession began in 2007.

And that poses a challenge for the economy going forward. After all, what will the middle class and the American Dream look like another decade from now, if the younger generations still can’t get their feet off the ground?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 05:51:43

Odd how middle-class housing prices could have gone up so much while income was falling, isn’t it?

Comment by combotechie
2011-09-21 05:59:03

The wonders of borrowed money.

Comment by Bad Chile
2011-09-21 10:25:42

I recall a HBB posting way back in the heyday about some young wipersnappers in San Fran that had a net worth of something like $2.8million.

Of course, once you factored in the 110% financing for the properties they were $300,000 in the hole, ignoring transaction costs.

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 06:09:34

Yes, Cantankerous, leverage is now in everyone’s lexicon, and want to risk OPM (as a title rep told me yesterday). How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.

Are you reading anything worthwhile right now, you’d like to recommend?

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-21 06:13:54

“How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.”

REPEAT

“How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.”

REPEAT

“How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.”

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 06:27:32

And do something about those [+36 pages] damn e$crow papers! ;-)

 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 06:28:31

How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.
How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.
How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.
How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.
How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.
How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.
How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.
How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.
How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.
How about the rest of us who just want a freakin stable living arrangement at an affordable price.

Happy to oblige. +100.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 08:33:34

Haven’t read this one yet, but I think I will purchase a copy online, then donate it to my local San Diego County Library branch when I’m through reading it.

Paradise Plundered
Fiscal Crisis and Governance Failures in San Diego
Steven P. Erie, Vladimir Kogan, and Scott A. MacKenzie
2011, Available Now
360 pp.
19 tables, 13 figures.
ISBN: 9780804756020
Cloth $75
ISBN: 9780804756037
Paper $24.95

The early 21st century has not been kind to California’s reputation for good government. But the Golden State’s governance flaws reflect worrisome national trends with origins in the 1970s and 1980s. Growing voter distrust with government, a demand for services but not taxes to pay for them, a sharp decline in enlightened leadership and effective civic watchdogs, and dysfunctional political institutions have all contributed to the current governance malaise.

Until recently, San Diego, California—America’s 8th largest city—seemed immune to such systematic governance disorders. This sunny beach town entered the 1990s proclaiming to be “America’s Finest City,” but in a few short years its reputation went from “Futureville” to “Enron-by-the-Sea.” In this eye-opening and telling narrative, Steven P. Erie, Vladimir Kogan, and Scott A. MacKenzie mix policy analysis, political theory, and history to explore and explain the unintended but largely predictable failures of governance in San Diego.

Using untapped primary sources—interviews with key decision makers and public documents—and benchmarking San Diego with other leading California cities, Paradise Plundered examines critical dimensions of San Diego’s governance failure: a multi-billion dollar pension deficit; a chronic budget deficit; inadequate city services and infrastructure; grandiose planning initiatives divorced from dire fiscal realities; an insulated downtown redevelopment program plagued by poorly-crafted public-private partnerships; and, for the metropolitan region, inadequate airport and port facilities, a severe underinvestment in firefighting capacity despite destructive wildfires, and heightened Mexican border security concerns.

Far from a sunny story of paradise and prosperity, this account takes stock of an important but understudied city, its failed civic leadership, and poorly performing institutions, policymaking, and planning. Though the extent of these failures may place San Diego in a league of its own, other cities are experiencing similar challenges and political changes. As such, this tale of civic woe offers valuable lessons for urban scholars, practitioners, and general readers concerned about the future of their own cities.

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Comment by cactus
2011-09-21 12:16:21

Odd how middle-class housing prices could have gone up so much while income was falling, isn’t it?

expand the money supply by loaning to anybody for a house. Don’t count it as inflation, neat trick until it isn’t anymore.

now the trick is to keep the money supply from contracting.

the fed is all over that one at least for big banks.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-21 06:12:11

It’s official. The first decade of the 21st century will go down in the history books as a step back for the American middle class.

Heck, that was documented last year locally here in Larimer County. The local median HH income fell nearly 10%.

 
Comment by goon squad
2011-09-21 07:05:41

The whole concept of ‘middle class’ is an economic anomaly. It only occured in 20th century America because of WWII. What we are now experiencing is a reversion to the way it was for centuries, lords and serfs, kings and slaves.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-21 08:39:57

I think you mean a historical anomaly.

Why should there be poverty in a world that can create goods and services by the barrel load? In the past people suffered during times of scarcity: famine, war, etc.

Today they walk by store windows and display cases that are bulging with goods they can’t afford to buy.

Comment by goon squad
2011-09-21 08:54:22

There will continue to be a small but shrinking middle to upper middle class, but for the J6P F-350 boyz and the garden variety cubicle rats, a steady erosion of ‘lifestyle’ resulting from Stagflation.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-21 10:21:45

Which is the model of a 3rd world nation.

 
 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-09-21 08:46:09

While the 19th century USA wasn’t perfect, it seems like it was somewhat better than the historical European model you describe. So what were we doing right back then? Or was it simply that we had a frontier available?

Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 11:47:05

19th century USA had a few slaves, I seem to recall.

But I know what you mean. I suspect that it WAS the frontier, with all its untapped resources. Charles Ingalls was trapping beaver in Kansas as late as the 1870’s.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-09-21 12:54:57

Besides the untapped resources, it seems like it also set a floor for salaries. If you paid your people little enough that they could live better out on the frontier, soon your employees were gone. Also had to treat them at least somewhat respectfully or the same thing would happen.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-09-21 13:54:44

X-Gsfixr is still trapping beaver in Kansas.

 
Comment by SV guy
2011-09-21 15:10:51

You beat me to it X!

Too funny.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 16:08:11

Beaver…Kansas? = thin pickings ;-)

“When you hit Rockies, turn right and head for Vancouver North” Pimpster general store owner advice to Jeremiah Johnson (from St. Louis),… circa 1870

 
 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-09-21 14:28:00

Actually not, goon squad. The Renaissance gave rise to guilds and guildsmen of crafts and trades who were the middle class of their time.

Comment by goon squad
2011-09-21 15:01:42

Yes we agree that they were ‘middle class’ as defined by income/lifestyle. But the ratio of their numbers compared to the tiny percentage of nobles and the vast majority of peasantry that would be considered ‘working poor’ does not compare to the proportion of Americans in the 20th century living what we would consider a ‘middle class’ lifestyle for their time.

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Comment by measton
2011-09-21 08:25:23

The real story is that the top 0.1% income went WAY up and the tax they pay on each dollar earned went WAY down over this same period of time.

The collapse of the middle class has of course CRUSHED demand for services and goods and created more unemployment , more cuts to services, more fees etc. To bail out the elite they have created food and fuel inflation which also has damaged the middle class.

Yet you still have people ranting and raving about how we shouldn’t tax the rich and need free trade. You have people that openly support politicians who push such policies.

Comment by Jim A
2011-09-21 11:00:13

And this is the root cause of the “jobless recoveries” that the PTB are only now looking at. When productivity improvements lead to higher wages, those who lose jobs because of technological advancement may eventually get new jobs supplying the greater demand for goods and services that the higher wages of those who still have jobs generate. But if the gains from greater productivity are exclusively the province of stockholders and an insignificantly sized population of senior management, that money circles around Wall Street, possibly being lent out at interest to the rest of us, Goosing current consumption but suppressing future demand.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 12:28:21

The real story is that the top 0.1% of income went way up because the work done by a decently-compensated pool of middle class labor was transferred to a relatively poorly-compensated pool of second-world labor.

In the late 90’s it really seemed as if the knowledge economy was going to work. Yeah, the old UAW and factory workers who were outsourced in the 80’s were going to have to live on less, but that lavish union pay allowed them to send their kids to college. And those kids could work with computers. And the kids had jobs, and they could adapt to new jobs as the field evolved. Nice bright future. What happened?

 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-09-21 09:00:22

This is not new. This has been the case for the last 30 years.

We are at the end-game of 1980s deregulation and offshoring.

Comment by goon squad
2011-09-21 09:24:34

I am reading Kenneth Morgan’s ‘Britain since 1945: The People’s Peace’, and the parallels with the current decline of the US are many. The endgame of the globalistas, who may nominally be US citizens, is that this country will become just another 2nd tier nation.

The banksters and globalistas are the lords of the manor, the political/media class are, in the terms of the adult entertainment industry, their fluffers, and the rest are just serfs and cannon fodder.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 10:21:55

goon squad
Thanks for the book lead. Much appreciated.

Cantankerous
My husband loves San Diego. How’s work for the EE crowd?
Is housing inventory and pricing showing any affordability and availibility down your way?
Thanks for the book lead, too.

I picked up a light read…I’m frazzled.
“Gimmie Shelter” by Mary Elizabeth Williams
(Her adventures househunting during the bubble- NY.) $1.00 -Dollar Tree

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-09-21 12:22:44

A little help here, s’il vous plait.

They say, “income fell to $49,445 last year, when adjusted for inflation, a level not seen since 1996.”

Later they say, “At the same time that Americans had less cash to spend, they were also being hit with rising prices for some crucial items.”

It sounds like they are saying there are two correlated problems. But isn’t it the same thing, ie - The reason incomes are down is because of inflation? Otherwise, they wouldn’t need the “adjusted for inflation” adder in the first sentence.

On a side note, I suspect that the same job IS actually paying less (independent of inflation) than it did earlier in the decade as well due to the larger pool to choose from…but they don’t seem to be taking this angle, which is what lead me to the question above.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-09-21 14:40:31

Most economic article writers are paid by the word, not by clarity.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-09-21 15:33:37

LOL, and my repeated failure to heed this advice leads to my repeated questions about articles like this.

Like my first term of Calculus…sometimes you just need to accept things.

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Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-09-21 04:59:15

Poker site accused of $440 million Ponzi scheme
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Federal prosecutors on Tuesday accused executives at the online site Full Tilt Poker of operating a Ponzi scheme, siphoning more than $440 million in gamblers’ winnings to board members and owners.

“In reality, Full Tilt Poker did not maintain funds sufficient to repay all players, and in addition, the company used player funds to pay board members and other owners more than $440 million since April 2007,” the complaint read.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/20/news/companies/poker_ponzi/index.htm?iid=HP_River

If they were a bank that behavior would be in full compliance with all legal and ethical guidelines. If you’re not a bank then this behavior is considered criminal.

Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 06:40:17

Almost enough to cancel out Solyndra…

Comment by goon squad
2011-09-21 07:11:51

The Solyndra talking point has more legs than a centipede. Expect it to walk all the way from here to November 2012.

 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-09-21 09:02:12

This is one hellofva story. Their lead programmer ratted them out in return for complete freedom after the feds snagged him for fraud.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-21 04:59:44

Realtors Are Liars®

Comment by goon squad
2011-09-21 10:43:42

Linked from the WSJ website on ’smartmoney DOT com’

Has Housing Finally Hit Bottom?
After yet another summer of bad news, an intrepid few think it might be a good time to buy real estate

I love SmartMoney magazine :) because People Are Smart, right?

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-09-21 13:51:25

I’ve subscribed to SM and Money in the past. I always love the “special travel ‘deals’” stories.

Basically, you should go to Croatia or some such now because you’ll “only” have to pay $300 for one night’s stay at places that used to charge $450. (I spend so little time in lodging when traveling that I can’t understand spending anywhere near that amount) Maybe if they instructed people that paying $300 for sleeping was preposterous I’d consider them to be smart about money.

While they market themselves as being for everyone, the people they profile as their examples are mostly the high earning set. The other favorite of mine is the “$75k kitchen makeover as normal” story…

 
 
 
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Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 06:43:29

Did anyone at Rasmussen distinguish between “mortgage” and “remaining mortgage payments,” which includes interest? They seem to be used interchangably in the article, and the survey questions don’t explain it either. Aren’t the remaining mortgage payments are generally double the mortgage… :roll:

Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 06:54:02

oxide
I noticed that too, but due to my terrible editing skills, I refrained from commenting. Oh yeah, these is quite a difference from what you paid, and what your mortgage balance is, depending on many variables. Time of purchase, refi’s, interest rate, etc… Many factors lead to being underwater.

You’re a sharp cookie, oxide. That’s why I love it here, I get to hang with smart people. All of you are very smart and interesting. And Ben is the leader of this pack.

 
Comment by Jim A
2011-09-21 11:03:00

Well that’s going to depend on how many years are left on your mortgage, isn’t it? My principal payments are several times my interest payments and this point….But then, I’m not underwater.

Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 12:01:01

Jim, I thought they were going to bring that up too, but the questions asked either “Is your mortgage more than the home is worth? — and — ” “Will you miss a mortgage payment?” There was NO mention relation between the two, or questions worded like “how much will you pay in PITI over the next X years.”

It’s as if the author fabricated the sections about remaining mortgage payments only for dramatic effect, even though there was no actual data on it. Bad form.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 05:17:10

Maybe if we all steadfastly avoid using the ‘R’ word, we can thereby avoid the occurrence of the event it describes.

The R-word index
Up means down
The Economist’s gauge of gloom
Sep 17th 2011 | from the print edition

IT HAS been a thoroughly wretched summer in the rich world: weak growth, dismal jobs numbers and plunges in stockmarkets. Now there is yet another cause for concern.

The Economist’s informal R-word index tracks the number of newspaper articles that use the word “recession” in a quarter.

The latest iteration counts articles published in the Financial Times and the Wall Street Journal. It shows the index declining steadily from a peak in early 2009, with just a brief pause during the summer of 2010. September, however, has brought a change in the weather. Measured at a quarterly rate, the index has visibly turned up since the start of this month.

Comment by combotechie
2011-09-21 06:04:06

Maybe using the “D” word is the answer.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-09-21 09:04:03

I agree. Those dumba**es should be called for what they are.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-09-21 09:30:48

Call it a “Enhanced Recession”

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 05:22:33

If 26-year-old real estate brokers in Beaverton, Oregon are stuck renting unless they get help from mom and dad, the economy must really be in dire straits.

Bernanke Has Few Tools to Heal Economy Amid Weak Housing
By Steve Matthews and John Gittelsohn - Sep 20, 2011 9:00 PM PT

U.S. Federal Reserve chairman Ben S. Bernanke. Photographer: Tomohiro Ohsumi/Bloomberg
Fed Monetary Policy, U.S. Economy, Outlook

U.S. mortgage rates are the lowest in at least four decades, with a 30-year fixed loan available at 4.09 percent. That didn’t help Alexis Wolf buy a townhome in Beaverton, Oregon.

“Unless you have family help, you’re stuck renting,” said Wolf, 26, a real estate broker who turned to relatives for a loan because she didn’t have the credit and employment history needed to qualify for a mortgage.

Wolf’s experience illustrates the predicament for Federal Reserve policy makers as they end a two-day meeting today to consider ways to boost economic growth. Low interest rates, the traditional medicine for a flagging economy, aren’t helping housing, which since 1982 has aided every recovery except the current one.

Sales of existing homes dropped in July to the lowest since November, and the median price slid 4.4 percent from a year earlier. Rising foreclosures, tighter lending standards and unemployment stuck near 9 percent for more than two years are all weighing on the market. Lower borrowing costs aren’t likely to make a difference, said housing economist Brad Hunter.

Comment by combotechie
2011-09-21 06:09:42

“Low interest rates, the traditional medicine for a flagging economy, aren’t helping housing, which since 1982 has aided every economy except the current one.”

Yeah?, well this time it’s different.

Different in the same way the term insolvent is different from the term illiquid.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 06:57:31

The U.S. is “insolvent” Combo-exactly!
So is most of the middle class. They just don’t want to face the music yet.

 
Comment by Jim A
2011-09-21 11:11:08

Yep. The refinance rinse repeat cycle has meant that lower interest rates don’t help most people anymore. People who are underwater are unlikely to be able to refinance their debt no matter WHAT the interest rates are. And as in the links above the underwater constitute a large percentage of households. The only way that most of these people will be able to reduce the amount of their income dedicated to servicing their debts will be bankruptcy and or foreclosure.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-21 06:16:27

“Unless you have family help, you’re stuck renting,” said Wolf, 26, a real estate broker who turned to relatives for a loan because she didn’t have the credit and employment history needed to qualify for a mortgage.

This statement demonstrates how inept, corrupt and ignorant Realtor is

Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 07:52:23

A Broker at 26? Way too young for that title. No real world or financial practical experience, and on top of that an idiot.

Being self employed, she could have used her tax return if she actually was successful. Loser, in other words (no money). No credit at 26, or just bad credit?
I smell “puffing” (faking it)

RAL - you said it in fewer words. :)

Comment by cactus
2011-09-21 12:28:51

I smell “puffing” (faking it)

“Puffing” I love it !! so common here in hyper competative costal CA where everyone wants to live but only few are qualified so we “Puff ”

thanks!! a new word for to teach all the foriegn engineers here. I love to teach them new things. As long as they don’t mix it up with Puffin the bird

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Comment by Jim A
2011-09-21 11:13:05

Because waiting and saving for a few more years is CRAZY TALK. Frankly, 26 is on the young side to be purchasing a house IMHO. Typically, that’s only four years out of college.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 05:26:07

US housing starts fell in August; New home construction at lowest since at least 1970
By Finfacts Team
Sep 20, 2011 - 2:31 PM
Blue: single family; Red: multi-units such as apartment blocks, which are incremental to single family units.

US housing starts fell in August while there were fewer homes were under construction in the month than at any time on records dating back to 1970.

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-09-21 05:27:30

Gee - what do these states (California, New York and Illinois) have in common?

Total control by democrats. Insane public unions.

I feel sorry for the people and businesses who live in these state that are not in/part of a public union. They are looked at as chattel to be fleeced when needed (which now is constant).

Get out while you can. No one (person or business) is going to move to these states (but they are leaving in droves). Housing prices will NEVER recover with this “model” of government.

Now for homework. What do Texas, North Carolina and South Carolina have in common? Where do you think you have the best chance of finding a job? Where do you think housing prices will recover the fastest?

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Illinois among worst states to do business: Survey
By Ameet Sachdev
The Chicago Tribune

Some Illinois companies, such as Chicago’s CME Group, have threatened to leave the state, citing a hostile business environment.

Illinois ranked among the three worst states for business, according to a survey of U.S. corporate executives released Monday.

Nearly one quarter of the survey’s 322 respondents said Illinois had one of the least favorable business climates, according to Development Counsellors International, which specializes in economic development and tourism marketing.

Taxes and high costs were among the factors that contributed to the state’s poor showing in the survey. California was deemed to have the worst business climate, followed by New York and Illinois.

Illinois recently increased its income tax rate, which has prompted several companies, including Chicago-based CME Group, to consider leaving the state.

Texas, North Carolina and South Carolina were viewed as having the best business climates, according to the survey.

http://www.chicagotribune dot com/business/breaking/chi-illinois-among-worst-states-to-do-business-survey-20110919,0,2978345.story

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 05:53:19

RNC troll alert

Sigh…

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-09-21 06:17:34

Don’t feed the troll. (Until he turns the troll switch to off position and discusses housing).

 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-09-21 06:43:32

Every time you have a parasitic relationship it will be a drag for the host. Public Unions suck the taxpayer dry, Wall Street (and various other parasites) sucks the US economy dry. The host has two options, fight back or die.
The problem ist, many of the parasites are politically well connected.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 06:59:25

Mike in Miami -”parasites” is an excellent word for them.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2011-09-21 07:25:55

What do Texas, North Carolina and South Carolina have in common ??

I will take a stab at it;

A very high percentage of right wing, evangelical nut cases ??

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-21 08:36:21

Above average poverty rates?

Comment by Insurance Guy
2011-09-21 09:10:16

I think the suppposed troll was talking about a pro-business environment. That is very subjective and so is not worth discussing.

California and Illinois have problems with pension debts and so does the Carolina’s. (I know nothing of Texas)

Most of South Carolina’s growth can be attributed to the Port of Charleson and the one in Savannah. Lots of international commerce.

California used to get the benefit of that but now it goes through Mexico (or Charleston)

Illinois used to get the benefit of Chicago as a port and a rail center. But my guess is the commerce goes somewhere else now.

My point is if you look at the big things, it makes sense to move a business to the Carolina’s (or Alabama, Mississippi, et al). It comes down to location of a port, of railroads, of interstates, and the ability to find a good location for facilities.

South Carolina lost big when the textiles all went overseas. Now we are getting something back with other manufactures. Life goes on

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-09-21 10:04:09

My point is if you look at the big things, it makes sense to move a business to the Carolina’s (or Alabama, Mississippi, et al). It comes down to location of a port, of railroads, of interstates, and the ability to find a good location for facilities.

If I were seeking to expand an import/export-based business, I would definitely consider coastal MS. It’s a lot more forward-looking than the rest of the state.

Once you get 20 miles inland, you’re back in the backward MS we’ve heard so much about. But the coast is a different place.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 10:23:23

“Pro-business” generally translates as “CEO gets bonus, worker gets bupkis.”

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-21 10:26:46

South Carolina lost big when the textiles all went overseas

Furniture too, although that might be more of an NC thing.

My brother used to work for Hanes (procurement) and saw firsthand how all the textile jobs were lost.

 
 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2011-09-21 12:31:47

Texas, North Carolina and South Carolina were viewed as having the best business climates, according to the survey.”

China’ s better

Comment by Elanor
2011-09-22 10:06:43

Texas, NC and SC are following the China business model!

And the three largest cities in the U.S. remain in New York, California and Illinois. What a coincidence.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 05:30:25

Don’t buy until the IMF outlook for the U.S. economy improves, and is reflected in employment statistics.

P.S. What’s a “strong policy”? I’m guessing that is secret central banker code for quantitative easing or similar measures, but then I’m no central banker.

IMF sharply downgrades outlook for U.S., Europe
Growth forecast is cut through 2012
Sep 21, 2011
BY CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER
ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON — The world economy has entered a “dangerous new phase,” according to the chief economist of the International Monetary Fund.

As a result, the international lending organization has sharply downgraded its economic outlook for the U.S. and Europe through the end of next year.

The IMF expects the U.S. economy to grow just 1.5% this year and 1.8% in 2012. That’s down from its June forecast of 2.5% in 2011 and 2.7% next year.

To achieve even that still-low level of growth, the U.S. economy would need to expand at a much faster rate in the second half of the year than its 0.7% annual pace in the first six months.

Most economists expect growth of between 1.5% and 2% in the final two quarters.

Though an improvement, it wouldn’t be enough to lower the unemployment rate.

The rate has been 9% or higher in all but two months since the recession officially ended more than two years ago.

“The global economy has entered a dangerous new phase,” said Olivier Blanchard, the IMF’s chief economist. “The recovery has weakened considerably. Strong policies are needed to improve the outlook and reduce the risks.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 05:39:49

It seems as though Megabank, Inc’s race for the exit may be underway now.

Huge Surge in Bank of America Foreclosures
Published: Tuesday, 13 Sep 2011 | 12:29 PM ET
By: Diana Olick
CNBC Real Estate Reporter

Bank of America is ramping up its foreclosure processing, sending out far more notices of default to borrowers in August than in previous months, well over 200 percent more month-to-month.

A notice of default is the first stage of the foreclosure process in non-judicial foreclosures states, that is, where foreclosures do not go before a judge.

The notice of default is usually sent when a borrower is 90 days or more overdue in payments, but that timeline has been extended significantly during this housing crisis, due to the so-called “robo-signing” processing scandal and the sheer volume of troubled loans.

Mortgage and housing analyst and strategist Mark Hanson alerted me to unusually high legal default filing activity, and his research points to Bank of America [BAC 6.90 -0.09 (-1.29%) ] as the primary driver. I contacted a Bank of America spokesman, who responded:

It appears the numbers you noted to me this afternoon generally track with our own numbers for key categories. It should be noted it’s driven more in key states like California and Nevada than overall, and certainly the progress we’re seeing is limited to non-judicial states. Judicial states continue to move very slowly, with key states like New Jersey only beginning to start processing foreclosures again this month.

The foreclosure numbers are down very slightly year-over-year, but only because August 2010 was one of the highest foreclosure months on record, and of course was just before the “robo-signing” scandal was uncovered. Delays in processing have artificially lowered the foreclosure numbers over the past year, so this new surge is likely addressing loans that have been long delinquent, but unaddressed.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 06:15:44

I read that the REITs want to buy the REO inventory and rent them out. The yang is that it keeps people like Bruce Norris’s people out (small infestors). The Yin is it keeps us regular folks from getting in.

Any connection to the acceleration? (Just thinking out loud.)

Comment by scdave
2011-09-21 07:43:13

REITs want to buy the REO inventory ??

More like newly formed funds or hedge funds…REIT’s need “coupon clipper” stability, that’s what drives their stock price…

These guys through their lobbyist have been floating this balloon for awhile now with the mantra, “we can cure the housing market by absorbing the lions share of the inventory off the lenders books”…That is, @ 30 cents on the dollar…

If it happens, it may in fact stabilize the housing market to the benefit of hedge funds, Wall Street & the politicians but it will screw the average Joe in that he ain’t going to get his shot at truly affordable housing…

I hope it does not happen….

Comment by measton
2011-09-21 08:30:16

If they then rent the houses instead of letting them sit vacant rents will fall. When rents fall more people sitting on existing homes will have to sell. There will be continued downward pressure.

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Comment by scdave
2011-09-21 08:40:46

When rents fall more people sitting on existing homes will have to sell ??

How is that..?? Why would falling rents force people to sell their house ??

 
Comment by measotn
2011-09-21 10:24:47

Mortgage payment + taxes + repairs $2000 a month
Rent they can charge $1500 a month.

Many just won’t be able to continue

 
Comment by scdave
2011-09-21 11:23:18

Many just won’t be able to continue ??

More like a “few” won’t be able to…Most houses are not rentals… Furthermore, those that are rentals do not necessarily have that much leverage that would “force” a owner to sell…

 
 
Comment by Jim A
2011-09-21 11:22:47

At a time when credit (at least credit secured by RE) is less available, it IS intentional landlords who will set the bottom. The problem is that unless you’re buying entire developments, you’re going to be managing a bunch of properties scattered hither and yon. Something that corporations are unlikely to be good at.

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-09-21 19:06:53

scdave- I read it, and wondered how it would work, so thank you for the “funds or hedge funds” realigned nightmare as a buyer. Makes sense.

This topic sparked some interesting and chilling discussion!

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-09-21 10:06:06

Here in Tucson, we already have an abundance of empty rentals. How are REITs going to create tenants out of thin air?

Comment by Jim A
2011-09-21 11:24:58

Undercut all the flipper wannabes and their attempts to price rentals in accordance with the inflated price that the paid for the properties. With rents as with a purchase, there’s a price that will fill it.

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Comment by scdave
2011-09-21 11:33:48

How are REITs going to create tenants out of thin air ??

First, REIT’s are not the buyers for the reasons I described above…

As far as creating tenants out of “thin air” that’s a simple one…”Compete”….They will cannibalize the market if they need to and just steal tenants from other landlords with cheaper rent and longer leases…

These guys are ruthless…They will care less how they are perceived…Its all about rates of return for them…The rent they receive is Inconsequential..They will take what the market will allow them to get…The big pay day comes down the line when they sell into a stabilized market….

Although, much, much different, this is exactly what happened with the RTC liquidation in the early 90’s…

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-09-21 12:05:53

And if their criteria for tenants include good credit, how many of the foreclosed are going to be able to rent them?

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Comment by scdave
2011-09-21 13:16:55

if their criteria for tenants include good credit ??

Glad you said “if”…

Good credit score won’t necessarily be the driver…Demonstrating a stable job will be though…Proof of cash reserves could be also…

There are millions of people renting today with damaged credit scores…Some self inflicted…Some from bad timing…Some from unfortunate circumstances…Does not necessarily make them all a bad credit risk…

I am sure there are hundreds of thousands of people that did strategic defaults that are excellent credit risk…The system that we got is what says that they aren’t…

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 06:33:17

What to they know about the “US National Family Income” [forward looking] that the rest of us don’t know?

IMF: “the world is flat!”

Comment by scdave
2011-09-21 07:45:03

IMF: “the world is flat!” ??

Yep…Cut the GDP from 2.5% to 1.7% for us…

 
 
Comment by Patrick
2011-09-21 10:15:20

This points out old business creed. If you are going to lose money lose it all at once and get it over - only affects one year’s bonus !

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-09-21 12:59:37

I keep waiting…year after year…for this to be the year that the losses are taken.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 05:44:34

Posted on Wednesday, 09.21.11
FORECLOSURES

Rick Scott, GOP to consider taking courts out of foreclosure process

Gov. Rick Scott, along with top lawmakers, are interested in legislation to change Florida laws so judges won’t have to referee foreclosures.

A way to speed-up foreclosures?

Foreclosure proceedings in Florida are among the slowest in the nation, averaging 638 days. Lawmakers are considering removing judges from proceedings to speed up the process.

By Janet Zink
Herald/Times Tallahassee Bureau

TALLAHASSEE — The push is on in Florida to cut the courts out of the foreclosure process.

Supporters of the concept — which is used in nearly 30 states — say it will speed foreclosures, get houses back onto the real estate market and boost the economy.

Opponents say it puts property owners at the mercy of banks.

Gov. Rick Scott, House Speaker Dean Cannon and Senate President Mike Haridopolos all say they are interested in considering legislation to change Florida laws so judges won’t have to referee foreclosures.

And the House Civil Justice Subcommittee on Tuesday heard a presentation on foreclosures detailing states that include courts in the process versus those that don’t.

Bottom line: Foreclosures take longer and are more expensive in states that involve courts, said state economist Amy Baker.

“I don’t want to leave you with the impression that the data suggests the judicial process is a terrible process,” Baker told lawmakers. “It’s actually ultimately a policy decision on where you want the burden to be, where you want the rights protection to be.”

Florida has the nation’s second highest foreclosure rate, and is one of 20 states that require all foreclosures to go through the court system.

Court action isn’t needed in Michigan, Arizona, California and Nevada — other states with high foreclosure rates. On average, foreclosure proceedings in those states take from 392 days in Arizona to 511 in California, according to Jacksonville-based Lender Processing Services.

In Florida it takes 638 days.

That’s too long, Scott said in a recent interview with the Times/Herald.

It’s not good for anybody in the process,” he said. “It costs money. Either the homeowners lose money or the lenders lose money, and the longer it takes, it slows down what actually happens in the real market.”

States with the quickest foreclosures (in days):

Utah: 388

Colorado: 388

Idaho: 381

Alaska: 379

Wyoming: 367

States with the slowest foreclosures (in days):

New York : 664

Florida : 638

Hawaii : 580

New Jersey : 563

Maine : 551

Source: LPS Applied Analytics

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-21 06:14:30

States with the quickest foreclosures (in days):

Utah: 388

Colorado: 388

I guess this explains why I haven’t seen any of those people who don’t get foreclosed even though they haven’t made a payment in years.

Comment by redrum
2011-09-21 07:41:20

My next door (Utah) neighbor stayed in their place, payment free, for about 2 years.

 
Comment by scdave
2011-09-21 07:50:31

they haven’t made a payment in years ??

And those are “net” income payments that they are not making….Assuming they still have their job, which many do, their “strategic default” amounts to a huge pay increase for the period of time they live for free….”Only in America”…

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 06:29:55

Source: Chinatown fortune cookie: “This too will pass”

 
Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 08:15:04

This comes dangerously close to touching Due Process…

 
Comment by Jim A
2011-09-21 11:28:13

Considering all the “rocket docket” stories that we’ve heard from FL, I don’t think that the problem slowing down the process is the judicial involvement. More that the level of overbuilding got INSANE during the bubble and the losses in foreclosure are more than many lenders want or can afford to withstand.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-09-21 14:47:51

ROCKET DOCKET ROBO SIGNING!

Problems with the law? Change the law! Looting, pillaging and plunder is every businessman’s god given right, ya damn commie!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 17:15:49

Looting, pillaging and plunder is every businessman’s god given right

Focu$ you’re U$ geological $cope of reference: ;-)

Looting, pillaging and plunder is every businessman’s “Bidne$$man’$ god given right

$ as in $outhern
$ as in $ippin’ whi$key
$ $mokin’ cigar$
$ as in $lave

:-)

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 17:18:27

How’d they all get $uite$ in Manhattan? :-)

Mr. Cole says they musta taken the “underground” railroad $ubway…

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Comment by 2banana
2011-09-21 05:49:35

Grantham: ‘No market for young men’
Market Watch | 09/21/11 | Jonathan Burton

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Hey, Young Turks on trading desks, up-and-coming money managers and Wall Street stock jockeys: You want the truth about the global markets today?

Listen to Jeremy Grantham, chairman of Boston-based investment manager GMO LLC: You can’t handle the truth.

Jeremy Grantham. “This is no market for young men,” Grantham said. “At least us old men remember what a real bear market is like, and the young men haven’t got a clue.”

Women, too, for that matter. And at 72, after 40-plus years in the investment business, Grantham can make this claim unchallenged, but his point is more about the lessons of experience than the limitations of age, and an investor’s ability to build on the former and overcome the latter.

Comment by combotechie
2011-09-21 06:16:21

“At least us old guys remember what a real bear market is like, and the young men haven’t got a clue.”

But they’ll get one when then this downturn is done with them.

And is done with taking their money.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 06:27:04

Nobody could have seen the never-ending weak-hand shakedown coming!

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-09-21 06:37:07

This guy gets it- good find, TooBananas.

from the article:

Especially worrisome to Grantham is the gulf between wage earners in the U.S. The top 10% of U.S. workers currently receive about half of the nation’s total income, with half of that going to the top 1%. The last time this country saw a wage gap so extreme was just before the 1929 stock-market crash and the Great Depression. By comparison, in the late 1970s the top 1% garnered about 9% of all earnings.

“You can’t run the economy on BMWs alone,” Grantham said. “If the average person is in a pickle, how do you have a healthy economy?”

For starters, he said, you tax the richest more than they’re paying now. Said Grantham: “We have actually made the tax structure friendlier to the top 10%.”

Grantham contends that income inequality at these levels takes a real toll on ordinary workers and society as a whole. To bridge this gap and give average workers a bigger slice of the pie, Grantham advocates investing in education, training, and to “change the tax structure to make it equitable.”

Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 06:48:03

‘Grantham advocates investing in education, training, and to “change the tax structure to make it equitable.””

If this “education and training” involves a computer, forget it. Apu already got your job.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-21 08:25:17

As others have pointed out, the so called “free trade” will have to go into the dust bin.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-09-21 09:53:57

What, precisely, should the average 35-40 year old, who hasn’t been in a classroom for 15-20 years, “retrain” for?

Nothing is worse than being a 45 year old guy, working for a 24 year old boss.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-21 10:32:33

What, precisely, should the average 35-40 year old, who hasn’t been in a classroom for 15-20 years, “retrain” for?

Exactly. A lot of people have been jumping on the healthcare bandwagon, but now that’s is starting to saturate.

A friend told me his RN wife applied for a job at a new hospital that was closer to home. There were 5 applicants for every job, and she was selected because she is bilingual.

Pundits like to bloviate about learning a trade at a CC, but most of those will only get you at $10-12/hr job.

 
Comment by cactus
2011-09-21 12:40:22

Pundits like to bloviate about learning a trade at a CC, but most of those will only get you at $10-12/hr job.”

I think thats probably right plus debt its expensive now even a JC

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-09-21 14:51:09

Nothing is worse than being a 45 year old guy, working for a 24 year old boss?

Try 50 and working for a 30 yo boss. :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 07:02:49

“If the average person is in a pickle, how do you have a healthy economy?”

He’s inferring about the General “well-being” of the Nation as a whole. This does not concern the “$uffering $o’s”, …not-in-the-lea$t.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-21 10:34:45

Someone mentioned the “Lucky Ducky” cartoons yesterday. While they were kind of tongue in cheek, they also exposed a lot of truths, especially how in American culture it is fashionable and acceptable to hate the poor.

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Comment by goon squad
2011-09-21 10:48:49

Twas us, the Squad loves Lucky Ducky :)

 
Comment by goon squad
2011-09-21 11:03:43

They hate the poor because they know how close they are to joining them, all it takes is a pink slip or one un/under-insured medical emergency.

My weekly work e-mail newsletter still has a classified from 10 year old Daphne’s parents selling ribbons and pins to pay for her cancer treatments.

 
Comment by Jim A
2011-09-21 11:33:05

Admittedly, I’m more of a Charlie the Australopithicine fan myself.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-09-21 05:55:32

Lots of good stats. A whole economy is springing up to deal with this.

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The New Face of Foreclosure: Strategic Defaults
Fox Business | 09/19/11 | Laura Rowley

“I was looking for a way to get back to a larger city, and this was the only way I could get out of this house,” says Kessler, who paid $800 to YouWalkAway.com to help guide him through the process known as strategic default. He’s anticipating a move to a warmer climate and a more active art and dating scene in Santa Fe, N.M.

First notices of default jumped 33% in August, a nine-month high and the biggest month-over-month increase since August 2007, according to figures by RealtyTrac released Wednesday.

“There are 3 million to 4 million seriously delinquent mortgages that under normal circumstances would be in foreclosure but have been kept out by procedural delays and paperwork problems,” says Rick Sharga, RealtyTrac senior vice president. The recent spike in foreclosure starts suggests lenders are “hitting the restart button” on cases that were delayed by documentation problems such as robo-signing, he explains.

“The people we are now seeing are nearing retirement age, who never missed a payment on anything in their lives,” says Jon Maddux, co-founder and CEO of the Carlsbad, Calif., firm. “They are trapped. They can’t sell or get a modification and they need to downsize or move for a job.”

“The vast majority of those who default end up doing a short sale and that discharges the deficiency,” he says. “If they are pursued, they can negotiate to pay less than the full amount. A savvy person who retains an attorney or other knowledgeable person to walk them through the process will likely get through default without having to pay a deficiency judgment. Most people will have a good credit score again within a couple years.”

“If you already have payment problems on the mortgage and defaulted on other accounts, [foreclosure] may not have a material downward impact, but it will lock in a lower score for a long time,” Ulzheimer says. People who stop paying the mortgage can minimize the credit score impact by using that free cash flow to pay down other debts, such as credit cards, he adds.

But just because the bank doesn’t pursue homeowners today doesn’t mean it won’t tomorrow, argues Ulzheimer. The statute of limitations to sue on contract debt in recourse states ranges from three to 15 years. “Some people think that’s the next shoe to fall,” he notes.

White says underwater homeowners should figure out if they are paying substantially more to own a house on a monthly basis than they would pay to rent a similar property. “Even if you are thousands of dollars underwater, if you are paying the same as you would to rent, you don’t gain that much financially by defaulting,” he says. (The survey by YouWalkAway.com found a quarter of respondents saved 50% or more on housing expenses when they rented after their default.)

In addition, someone who will need a good credit score to run a small business or borrow to meet a goal, such as a child’s college education, should avoid strategic default. “If you have a particular need for easy credit in the future, then it doesn’t make financial sense,” White notes.

As for Kessler, he is looking forward to biking, tennis and skiing in the Southwest next year. “I don’t feel guilty at all about walking away from the place,” he says. “The banks really did it to themselves. They made a ton of money with me over the years. I owned four or five houses. But I don’t think I’ll ever buy another house. I’ll probably just rent until they put me in a nursing home.”

Comment by In Colorado
2011-09-21 08:22:45

I’ll probably just rent until they put me in a nursing home.

I wonder who this “they” is that they are talking about?

Comment by goon squad
2011-09-21 11:30:11

One of my previous squad assignments was preparing Medicaid Cost Reports for nursing homes to submit to the state for reimbursement. The basic formula for this is the number of ‘bed days’ per resident multiplied by their ‘RUG’ (resource utilization score) minus the facility’s bed tax (365 * number of beds).

While I prepared these reports in the office, the field auditors were out on site visiting the facilities and got to witness what end-of-life care for the destitute in a for-profit (usually closely-held, family controlled business structures) was really like.

Be nice to them lest they put you in one of these.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-09-21 09:46:06

Had lunch with some of my aviation buddies yesterday. All of them have houses they need to sell for various reasons (divorce, tired of being a landlord, need a bigger house). All of them are underwater.

All of them are pizzed, because they know people who are squatting in houses they quit making payments on two years ago

And……all of them have mortgages thru Countrywide/BOA.

You should literrally see the light bulbs pop on over their heads, when I tied them in on the MERS fiasco…….suddenly, they could see why the banks hadn’t foreclosed on the squatters.

One says, “What about my credit rating”

My answer: “Would you need credit, if you were taking home an additional $1500/2000 a month?”

At minimum, I told them they should find out what the county records said, Re: Who held the paper on their house. If for no other reason, to make sure their payments were being sent to the right place…..if there is a problem, it will be an expensive problem to correct, at best.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-09-21 10:10:24

White says underwater homeowners should figure out if they are paying substantially more to own a house on a monthly basis than they would pay to rent a similar property. “Even if you are thousands of dollars underwater, if you are paying the same as you would to rent, you don’t gain that much financially by defaulting,” he says. (The survey by YouWalkAway.com found a quarter of respondents saved 50% or more on housing expenses when they rented after their default.)

Suddenly, this Mr. White gets dropped into the story. I’m wondering if they’re referring to Brent White, the University of Arizona prof who wrote Underwater Home. Haven’t read this book yet, but I want to!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 06:14:29

Bernanke Has Few Tools to Heal Economy Amid Weak Housing
Bloomberg - Sep 21, 2011 1

U.S. mortgage rates are the lowest in at least four decades, with a 30-year fixed loan available at 4.09 percent. That didn’t help Alexis Wolf buy a town-home in Beaverton, Oregon.

“Unless you have family help, you’re stuck renting,” said Wolf, 26, a real estate broker who turned to relatives for a loan because she didn’t have the credit and employment history needed to qualify for a mortgage.

Wolf’s experience illustrates the predicament for Federal Reserve policy makers as they end a two-day meeting today to consider ways to boost economic growth. Low interest rates, the traditional medicine for a flagging economy, aren’t helping housing, which since 1982 has aided every recovery except the current one.

Sales of existing homes dropped in July to the lowest since November, and the median price slid 4.4 percent from a year earlier. Rising foreclosures, tighter lending standards and unemployment stuck near 9 percent for more than two years are all weighing on the market. Lower borrowing costs aren’t likely to make a difference, said housing economist Brad Hunter.

“The Fed’s actions probably won’t help housing in a meaningful way,” said Hunter, chief economist and national director of consulting at Metrostudy, a Houston-based housing research firm that provides data to 18 of the 20 largest U.S. builders. “The level of mortgage rates is not a major factor. Rates are at extremely attractive levels.”

The Federal Open Market Committee may decide today to replace short-term Treasuries in its $1.65 trillion portfolio with long-term bonds in a bid to lower rates for mortgages, auto and consumer loans, according to 71 percent of 42 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News.

Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-21 09:26:22

And yet long term interest rates continue to plunge to new record lows. Right now the 10yr=1.87% and yield on anything less than 3yr is negative after CPI.

Comment by cactus
2011-09-21 16:15:15

we had a guy on this Blog buying long term treasuries

he lived in Techappii CA I can’t remember his name though

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 17:09:47

Jas Jain

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Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 06:18:51

Today’s house: Overpriced Gem

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7327-Blanchard-Dr-Derwood-MD-20855/37215670_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}

Fairly nice 1964 4/3 ranch on half acre. Beautifully done walk-out basement, good neighborhood. The layout of the kitchen reno is poor IMO, and basically wastes a beautiful window. I would have swapped the kitchen and dining room, even if it meant moving plumbing. The price history is classic DC bubble. I suspect that this house has another $75K to fall in the long run, but with a $400K+ mortgage, but the seller probably can’t afford a fire sale.

Jun 2001: Sold $250K
May 2003: Sold $345K
Oct 2007: Sold $412K
Sep 2011: Listed $349K

House 2: Give me an f’in break

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6407-Winnepeg-Rd-Bethesda-MD-20817/37179385_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}

1955 little ranch on 0.14 acre in pricey Bethesda. Man, talk about a Home Despot special. Hardwood floor OK. Nice granite dropped onto cheap cabinets, bad layout, and LOUSY flooring in the kitchen. Bathroom fit for a skinny emperor. “Au Pair” suite downstairs = finished basement with man-cavey kitchen. They spent all the $$ inside and left the crappy concrete and spooky shed in the yard.

Dec 1998: Sold $160K <— OK, I’ll use $160K as a good reference point for a pre-bubble price for a small pre-reno ranch, even for Bethesda.
Aug 2005: Zestimate $556K.
Sep 2011: Listed $539K <— yeah right. $60K of reno does not justify $180K of price bloat.

Comment by Jim A
2011-09-21 11:36:20

Depending on exactly WHERE in Bethesda, 160 back in 1998 sounds like a bargain.

 
Comment by polly
2011-09-21 12:14:28

I think you mean $380K of price bloat, but I agree. Bethesda and Chevy Chase are ridiculous. Unfortunately, with my commute, they are by far the best places to live. Excuse me. The commute making them the best places to live is only unfortunate if you have to buy. They are great places to rent if you can find a rational landlord.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-09-21 12:21:48

They are great places to rent if you can find a rational landlord.

If mine own experience is any guide, the words “rational” and “landlord” seldom travel in the same sentence.

Comment by polly
2011-09-21 15:08:27

I found one. The first corporate landlord was dumb. They didn’t care one bit about market rate rents, etc. I’m fairly sure that it was related to hitting their cash flow numbers for refinancing out of the construction loan - free months of rent at the start of the lease don’t count against it for some reason. They would rather rent to a new person for (using extreme examples here) $2000 a month with 3 free months (average rent for year $1500 a month) than rent to an existing tennant for $1650 a month even though the new person means they have to clean and replace the carpet. Who signs a loan agreement that requires making less money to be able to get refinancing?

I’m now in an old place that is way past all those games. They seem to value keeping reliable tennants in place. My old landlord in Jersey City would reduce the rent in years when demand in the area was lower. And when I got my renewal in December for a new lease starting in March, if I called in February, I could usually get a lower rate because their computer models were updated all the time.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 06:29:37

A bad track record won’t stand in the way of a Fed determined to act on their religious faith.

Fed’s Track Record Casts Doubts on QE3 Success
Sept. 20, 2011

Data on economic and bank-reserve growth stretching back 80 years suggest that the economy doesn’t always do well after the Fed eases, according to H.C. Wainwright’s David Ranson. That’s not good for long-term stock investors. Laura Mandaro reports.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 16:27:52

religious faith

Let’s modernize that reference $hall we?

religiou$ faith

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 16:46:49

Or to put it into pre-Chri$t eCONomic term$:

Render unto Cae$ar, what belong$ to Cae$ar!

Context:

The Bible states that hostile questioners tried to trap Jesus into taking an explicit and dangerous stand on whether Jews should or should not pay taxes to the Roman occupation. They anticipated that Jesus would oppose the tax, for Luke’s Gospels explains their purpose was “to hand him over to the power and authority of the governor.” The governor was Pilate, and he was the man responsible for the collecting of Rome’s taxes in Judea. At first the questioners flattered Jesus [lil' Opie] by praising his integrity, impartiality, and devotion to truth. Then they asked him whether or not it is right for Jews “TrueWealthie$™”” to pay the taxe$ demanded by Caesar lil’ Opie. In the Gospel of Mark, the additional, truly provocative question is asked, “$hould we pay or $houldn’t we?” Jesus-of-Oaxaca first called them hypocrite$, and then asked one of them to produce a Roman Federal Inc. coin that would be suitable for paying Caesar’s lil’ Opies tax. One of them showed him a Roman Federal Re$erve Inc. coin, and he asked them whose name and inscription were on it. They answered, “Caesar’s,” Federal Re$erve Inc. and he responded “Give to Caesar Federal Re$erve Inc. what is Caesar’s Federal Re$erve Inc., and give to God the Pentagon what is God’s the Pentagon’$.” His interrogators were flummoxed by this authoritative (though ambiguous) answer and left disappointed.

Daffy: Don’t blame me— the Martian gets one episode per season. :-)

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 10:18:15

Northrop Grumman to cut 200 more jobs at its Apopka laser-weaponry plant. By Richard Burnett, Orlando Sentinel September 21, 2011

For the second time this year, Northrop Grumman Corp. plans to shed at least 200 jobs at its once-expanding laser-weaponry factory in Apopka — a move that will eliminate 24 percent of the remaining work force, the company confirmed Tuesday.

Citing a falloff in orders for its military equipment, Northrop said the jobs being eliminated range from management and engineering to administrative support. Affected workers will be notified by the end of the month, the company said.

“This work force reduction is regrettable, but unavoidable,” spokeswoman Yolanda Murphy said in an email. “It is imperative that the company properly adjusts the staffing levels at our laser systems business unit to accommodate anticipated business needs going forward.”

Comment by howiewowie
2011-09-21 17:17:22

What? People lose jobs when government slashes spending?

 
 
Comment by measotn
2011-09-21 10:22:18

(Reuters) - The rising gap between rich and poor in nearly every country, rich or poor, went largely ignored during the decades of globalization-fueled boom.

there are clear signs of the wealth gap becoming a political hot potato.

In the 20 years prior to the financial crisis, data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) group of rich nations show the wealth gap widening in the vast majority of member states, most strikingly in the English-speaking world, Japan and Israel.

But until the 2008 crash, household disposable income was also rising across the board by some 1.7 percent a year. With the economic crisis, that trend looks to be reversing — and that leaves the newly squeezed middle classes and poor with a striking sense of injustice.

In the developing world (and here in the good old USA), rising food and fuel inflation has also eroded the buying power of middle classes who — while their per capita incomes may still be rising — they too feel they have grievance. (BECAUSE it doesn’t make up for lost purchasing power)

SHADOW OF THE 1930S

Spreading discontent could, some fear, make it harder there to solve debt crises and form coherent policy.

With social media-organized protests on New York’s Wall Street this weekend and occasional looting by “flash mobs” in other U.S. cities seen as echoing larger protests in Europe, some fear worse to come.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg last week warned that without rapid job creation, the United States could see riots like those that hit London this summer.

The lessons of the last century are alarming to some.

“There is a lot of evidence that when you have a small, growing middle class, that is a major driver of political stability,” says William Galston, a former policy adviser to President Bill Clinton and now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

“But when you have a large middle class that is shrinking and where you have alarm and despondency over the future, that is where politics can become very volatile and even dangerous. That’s what we saw in Europe in the 1930s.”

The rise of the right-wing Tea Party movement in the United States is widely seen as part of a trend toward extremes and volatility, as perhaps too are calls from the left for greater wealth redistribution and for heavier taxes on the rich.

U.S. President Barack Obama on Monday made higher taxes for the rich a key part of his plan to cut ballooning deficits, echoing calls from billionaire Warren Buffett for a rebalancing of the tax system. Republican opponents described the call as “class warfare”, but it may have caught the spirit of the times.

Some believe it is all tied together with the rising tide of protest elsewhere in the globe. U.S. counterinsurgency specialist Patricia DeGennaro sees a wider “global uprising” or “worldwide insurgency.”

“People are finding that not only can they be heard en masse, they can make change en masse,” says DeGennaro, a senior fellow at the World Policy Institute and professor at New York University, citing the rising wealth gap as key. “That is at the root of the insurgency. In essence, people are tired of how the system is benefiting the few instead of the many … I don’t see it as a threat, but governments certainly do.”

I
“Investors like emerging markets, but they are becoming increasingly worried about the risk,” says Ravi Vish, chief economist at the World Bank’s ”

Some analysts suspect big corporations are holding back on planned investments, sitting on cash partly because of fears over an immediate future that includes far too many unknowns.

These include widespread doubt over global and domestic economic demand, THIS IS THE #1 reason in my book

Whatever happens, it is uncertain whether governments can do much to stem the broader wealth gap. In a globalized world, the rich and major corporations can easily move assets from jurisdiction to jurisdiction to avoid attempts at redistribution.

In this environment there are clear divisions in the approach taken by the world’s most wealthy.

Some, like Buffett, say the wealthiest should pay more taxes a

Others see instead many of the world’s rich following the example of Russian oligarchs in the chaotic 1990s, retreating into secure estates
protected by private security and bullet-proof vehicles and secreting wealth in offshore tax havens.

news.yahoo.com/analysis-crisis-bites-rising-wealth-gap-becomes-key-164425632.html

Comment by WT Economist
2011-09-21 11:29:25

People without money can’t buy things, now that they can’t borrow.

Executives paid themselves $zillions for coming up with the economic system of the past 30 years, in which U.S. workers upsized their lifestyles as their real wages fell. That has collapsed.

Lets see if any of them can come up with a new idea.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-09-21 11:31:16

“Others see instead many of the world’s rich following the example of Russian oligarchs in the chaotic 1990s, retreating into secure estates protected by private security and bullet-proof vehicles and secreting wealth in offshore tax havens.”

When other people’s debt disappears, through default or inflation, so will most of the wealth. What are they going to secrete? Stocks? Bonds? Real estate?

Comment by oxide
2011-09-21 12:46:35

Gold.

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-09-21 14:59:32

Exactly, WT Economist. Therir thought was the market potential of Russia, China and South America.

Countries that managed to sucker in the corps so they could steal their IP.

“Masters of Universe,” indeed. /snark

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2011-09-21 11:36:12

occasional looting by “flash mobs” in other U.S. cities seen as echoing larger protests in Europe, some fear worse to come

Cues up the Subhumans song ‘It’s Gonna Get Worse’

 
Comment by Elanor
2011-09-22 10:37:49

Feudalism for all!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 10:26:00

So, BB will come out at 2:15 today (est) doing his rendition of Chubby Checker. Come on BB let’s do the “twist”!

I am not so sure this will get the markets all Wee-Wee’d up. Perhaps for a while, but the w street gang want’s a full blown launch of the QE-III!

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 11:08:45

Greek government announces more austerity measures, including cutting pensions

ATHENS, Greece (AP) — Greece will suspend more civil servants than originally planned and impose new pension cuts as part of more austerity measures, the government said Wednesday, as it tried to persuade international creditors to continue bailout payments needed to avoid a chaotic default.

Government spokesman Elias Mossialos outlined the new spending cuts after a 6 1/2 hour Cabinet meeting, the outcome of which was being watched closely by nervous global markets.

“This choice sends a message to our partners and the markets that Greece both wants and is able to fulfill its commitments and remain at the core of the eurozone and the EU,” Mossialos said in a statement.

The new measures include increasing the number of civil servants to be suspended on partial pay to 30,000 by the end of this year from 20,000. Mossialos said this amounted to a total of about 3 percent of public sector staff.

Greece has been under pressure from its international lenders to meet fiscal targets and slash the size of its bloated public sector. The country has more than 750,000 staff in the country of 11 million people.

Under the new measures, monthly pensions above euro1,200 ($1,636) will be subject to a 20 percent cut of the amount above the euro1,200 threshold, while pensioners below the age of 55 will see a 40 percent cut in the amounts of their pensions above the euro1,000 limit.

The tax-free limit on annual income will drop to euro5,000 ($6,818) from euro8,000 ($10,908), and the cut will be applied to this year’s income, Mossialos said.

“It is the fundamental and strategic choice of the country to return to fiscal independence as an equal member of the eurozone, achieving a primary surplus as soon as possible,” he said.

The prospect of more tax increases and spending cuts are likely to be met with mounting concern in a country mired in a deep recession and with the number of unemployed rising to around one in seven. Greece’s two largest labor unions already called earlier Wednesday for another general strike on Oct. 19. All public transport in the capital will halt on Thursday as transport workers hold a 24-hour strike.

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-09-21 11:59:00

Which will feed back into less demand, lower tax receipt, and still leave the government with large deficits.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 11:25:29

Georgia-Pacific to Close its Hawthorne Plywood Mill, Leaving Nearly 400 without Jobs.

HAWTHORNE, Fla. — Georgia-Pacific has announced it will close its Hawthorne plywood mill, leaving nearly 400 people without a job.

“I have two sons, they were 5 and 7. Now they’re 29 and 31,” said Dianne Tabler, a 24-year employee of Georgia-Pacific.

“GP gave us a good way of life. I was able to have Friday nights home, send them to school in nice clothes. GP really provided for us,” she said.

Tabler said she and her coworkers were shocked by the closure, and most aren’t sure what they’ll do next.

“There’s going to be a lot of people looking for jobs,” she said.

Georgia-Pacific spokeswoman Tricia Bowles stressed the closure had nothing to do with the quality of work at Hawthorne, but rather the state of the economy.

“Weak demand for home building and remodeling has devastated the plywood mill over the past few years,” Bowles said, “and they will stop production Oct. 14.”

Then 400 people in the small community of Hawthorne will be looking to find jobs in town, or as Mayor Matt Surrency fears, relocate to find work.

“People come in and shop. They live, work, and play here,” said Surrency.

He said the city wants to help the workers find jobs locally, which means starting fresh for many of them.

“Some of these workers haven’t even been trained in writing a resume because they’ve been working there for 20 or 30 years,” he said.

Surrency said keeping those 400 employees here is crucial. Most of the people getting laid off just want a job.

“I’m praying about it. Wherever God puts me, that’s where I belong,” said Tumbler.

 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-09-21 11:36:42

First a trickle, then a flood?
Bank run in EURO-Land gaining steam. Siemens pulled $500 million from a French bank (Societe General) followed by Lloyds of London who pulls EURO Bank deposits.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-21/lloyd-s-of-london-posts-697-million-pound-loss-on-disasters-1-.html

Time to get my million EURO out of that greek bank ;)
…this could get interesting…

Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 11:46:40

Old Lloyds of London has been around for over 300 years, they have a good track record of accessing risk. I guess better safe than sorry.

Yes! I think you should withdraw your million Euro from the Greek bank, or they may end up spending it!

Comment by polly
2011-09-21 13:31:07

Lloyd’s doesn’t have to assess risk. They put together pools of people to insure risk, but do not keep it on their own books like a real insurance company would. At least that is their traditional business model. It may have changed somewhat since I last looked into it, but I doubt it. They essentially just put the people who are willing to write the insurance together with the people who need risk insured. Like an investment bank finding purchasers for the MBSs based on a loan pool they put together.

 
 
 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-09-21 11:47:53

American “Free Market” economics at its finest.

Our local WNBA team, the Phoenix Mercury won the first series of the playoffs and move on to the conference finals (final 4).

I go look for tickets. Cheapest seat in the house is $35 and most seats are more like $70 + fees. They usually pull 11k-12K or so people to a game.

I think… wow. $50 * 11K = a cool half million extra revenue per playoff game.

Not bad for a league with a $700K per team salary cap. I know this, because I’ve heard players complain about the $700K team cap and the $100K per player cap. They can make way more in Europe.

So, I think… are teams this profitable?

So, I dig around… nope. 8 of the 12 teams lost money during the regular season. Of the teams that lost money, they lost an average of $1.5 million each.

How do you lose $1.5 million in a league where the player salary cap is $700K?

To understand that, we can look to the European leagues. They average attendance of about 2000 people per game, but pay the players millions.

The answer is, RENT.

In the USA, the WNBA playes in the $100-200 million palaces built for NBA teams and pay many millions a year in rent.

In Europe they play in small, cheaply built areanas, pay very little to host the games, and pay the players the money instead.

The Mercury sell tickets for $40 per seat ( regular season), sell 10K seats per game, for 19 home games = $7.6 million. They then pay $200K per game to host the home games. The rent on the building is 6 times as much as they pay the players.

In Europe they sell 2000 tickets for $20 = $4K. They then pay $2-3 million for players and less than $1 million for facility rent.

So, “free market” American economics. You buy some land cheaply. You bribe a politician to get them to spend taxpayer money building an areana. The value of the land around the areana skyrockets and you sell for big profit.

Meanwhile, fans pay more to go to games and players get a smaller portion of the revenue.

Comment by clark
2011-09-21 20:40:52

That is Not “free market” American economics, it is corporate state cronyism.

The Free Market sure has been getting a bad rap in many places, when the focus should have been on other goings on. Typical.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 11:48:11

Wow, what a shock…

ITEM: Fed to Shift $400B in Holdings to Boost Economy -AP

The Federal Reserve says it will sell $400 billion of its shorter-term securities to purchase longer-term holdings, its latest effort to boost a weak economy.

Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-21 12:36:54

The long end of the bond market is now back to somewhere in the 1940’s. It’s now lower than any time in the last 60 years, way longer than I have been alive.
Least we forget China is making billions in interest on this. The bond portfolio they bought from us over the last 15 years has DOUBLED in value. Bill Gross eat your heart out. America bow your heads to your the world’s supreme financial rulers… All hail China!

Comment by SV guy
2011-09-21 17:12:49

“The bond portfolio they bought from us over the last 15 years has DOUBLED in value.”

This charade is a long way from being over. Way too early to be counting chips.

 
 
 
Comment by AV0CADO
2011-09-21 11:52:18

Says 30% of transactions are all cash.

“A new survey from MacroMarkets predicts U.S. home prices will decline 2.5% this year and rise just 1.1% annually through 2015. Humphries is a bit more skeptical, predicting prices will fall 3% to 5% this year before bottoming in 2012 at the earliest.

“We think it’s going to be a long, rocky bottom where appreciation will be below historic norms,” he continues, predicting gains of just 1% to 2% for the two-to-four year period after real estate final bottoms out.”

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/zillow-humphries-encouraging-news-long-rocky-road-housing-170159404.html?sec=topStories&pos=5&asset=&ccode=

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-09-21 13:13:38

“…before bottoming in 2012 at the earliest.”

Why is the bottom always, ALWAYS, within the next calendar year?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 12:01:57

Bernanke Speaks - It’s Operation Twist

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The Federal Reserve on Wednesday said it will sell $400 billion worth of short-maturity bonds it holds and reinvest in bonds maturing between 6 and 30 years by the end of June 2012, confirming market expectations that it would revive the 1960s-era program dubbed “Operation Twist.” By a 7-to-3 vote, the Fed also said it will reinvest proceeds from maturing mortgage-backed securities into mortgage-backed securities, instead of its previous practice to buy Treasurys with the proceeds. The Fed kept its target Federal funds rate between 0% and 0.25% and kept its pledge, first announced in August, to keep rates at exceptionally low levels through the middle of 2013. The Fed said that “economic growth remains slow” and inflation will settle at or below levels consistent with its dual mandate.

Comment by michael
2011-09-21 12:50:12

“…inflation will settle at or below levels consistent with its dual mandate.”

The Bernank: “and i would have gotten away with it too…if it weren’t for those meddling volatile food and energy prices.”

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 12:44:11

Fed’s Operation Twist Isn’t Much to Shout About
By Daniel Gross | Contrary Indicator

The Federal Reserve has announced its latest effort to jolt the economy back to life. In the widely anticipated move, dubbed Operation Twist, it is pledging, over the next nine months, to sell some $400 billion in short-term government bonds it owns and use the proceeds to buy government bonds that mature in 6-30 years. The theory: This market intervention will help further lower long-term interest rates. The Fed also said that when mortgage-backed securities it owns pay off, it will roll the money back into similar securities. That could help push mortgage rates down.

There are a few reasons why we shouldn’t have great expectations for this move.

First, the Federal Reserve moves with all the surprise and guile of a lumbering elephant. It talks about moving, says what direction it might go in and at what speed, and provides a specific date on which it will act. It does so because it wants to avoid spooking the market. But it also means that the market tends to react well ahead of the actual event. Look at the path of the 10-year bond over the last several weeks. The interest rate on the 10-year bond has fallen from 3.2 percent on July 1 to about 1.9 percent today. The mere anticipation of the Fed’s move has caused the market to do much of the Fed’s work.

Second, given how low long-term interest rates already are - they’ve fallen by 40 percent in the past three months– this action is like pushing on a string, or adding another drop of water to a full pitcher. Pick your metaphor. Long-term borrowing costs for creditworthy borrowers are already at Crazy Eddie levels — they’re so low, they’re insane. In August, according to Freddie Mac, the average commitment rate on 30-year mortgages it backed was 4.27 percent. Disney in August sold 30-year bonds that yielded 4.375 percent. Google in May sold three-year notes that pay a paltry 1.25 percent in annual interest. The government borrows for 10 years at less than 2 percent. That’s all to the good. These lower rates help free up more cash for some people to spend, help corporations pay their bottom line, and lessen the fiscal bite of high deficits. But when you get close to zero, it becomes harder to make a bigger percentage difference. Money simply can’t get much cheaper.

In recent years, lower interest rates have generally allowed people who are already able to borrow do so at lower rates. Homeowners who have a lot of home equity and are current on their mortgages may be given an opportunity to refinance. But the lower rates haven’t generally led to the extension of credit to people who badly need it. If a home is underwater, it’s very difficult to refinance, no matter how low rates go. Check out page 9 of Fannie Mae’s recent earnings report. The average loan it has been acquiring over the last few years has a loan-to-value ratio of just 68 percent, and only six percent of the loans it bought in that period had a LTV ratio of 90 percent. Meanwhile, value of the collateral for mortgages continues to fall. According to the National Association of Realtors, the median price of an existing home sold in August 2011 was down 5.1 percent from August 2010.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 21:54:28

“…the Federal Reserve moves with all the surprise and guile of a lumbering elephant…”

Yup.

 
 
Comment by AV0CADO
2011-09-21 12:56:55

Realtors: I had a nice house for sale once. The buyers looked at it 3 times, then their Realtor said they loved everything, but could not get past the “plastic” windows.

They were metal clad wood, dual pane windows.

 
Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 13:05:03

Clipped from The 5Min. Forecast…

Here’s an eyebrow-raiser on a Wednesday morning: The feds have revised their lawsuit against an online gaming site called Full Tilt Poker.

Not only was it violating the gambling laws, prosecutors say, it was “a global Ponzi scheme.”

Here’s how they say it worked: Members had deposited $390 million, but the site had only $60 million on hand. Turns out the proprietors had pocketed $444 million for themselves over the previous four years.

Leave aside the pot-kettle issue of the U.S. government labeling anything a Ponzi scheme. Ponder this: $60 million in assets, compared with $390 million owed to depositors? That’s only 6:1 leverage!

Before 2008, the major investment banks were leveraged nearly 40:1. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, nearly 80:1.

Now we know what Full Tilt Poker really did wrong: It failed to obtain a Federal Reserve charter.

Comment by combotechie
2011-09-21 13:15:53

Hey, no problem, just cheat.

How tough would it be for the operators of an online poker site to see everyone’s cards? Or, better yet, decide who it is that gets dealt which cards?

Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-09-21 14:52:05

Easier than cake.

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-09-21 13:14:34

So the Fed finally announces Operation Twist. Not many viable tools left in that bag now huh Benny boy?

Comment by wmbz
2011-09-21 13:58:00

Yep, the string The Bernak has been pushing on for so long, has turned into a very, very wet noodle.

 
Comment by BlueStar
2011-09-21 14:01:28

This will be war between the FED and the Tea Party controlled GOP. The top GOP leaders sent a letter demanding the FED stop easing credit or…. else? The FED sez’ F.U. and snaps up 400 billion of MBS. Next move by the GOP, shut down the Government? Who really is more powerful? The guys that control government or the guys who control the money?
I have despised the FED for 35 years and lay as much blame on Greenspan & Bernanke for the extreme wealth gap in America today as I do the politicians. But at the same time the GOP is totally wrong to try and bluff the FED with a letter. The way to deal with the FED is you write laws that dismantle the FED while building up the Treasury Dept. to take over the responsibilities of the Federal Reserve.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 16:11:00

This will be war between the FED and the Tea Party controlled GOP. ;-)

I’m in my briefs:

heheeeheeeheehaahaaahaaheeehaahaaa… (Hwy50™)

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 16:14:04

Post $cript:

Audit the Pentagon will precede: Audit the FED Inc.

Ladies & gentlemen: place your bet$ ;-)

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Comment by frankie
2011-09-21 13:20:15

I believe the Japanese Central Bank is joining operation Twist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzu4FHAT3YA

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-09-21 14:30:50

C’mon lets Twist again,
Like we did last summer…….

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 16:17:59

Well, depending on your POV, playing twister isn’t necessarily a bad thing… ;-)

Run Hwy, run…!

 
 
 
Comment by michael
2011-09-21 13:56:14

add just one provision to the president’s bill and i would support it whole heartedly.

as a provision to the enactment of this legislation…mr. warren buffet must make public his 10 year prior income tax returns and all current and future income tax returns along with all related workpapers.

this provision will not be limited to mr. warrent buffets individual income tax returns but to include all related parties as defined under the IRC and related regulations…and to also include all foreign, domestic and state income tax returns, filings, and information returns.

Comment by combotechie
2011-09-21 14:15:33

Buffett pays himself a hundred thousand dollars a year so disclosing his taxable income wouldn’t be all that revealing.

The untaxed portion of his wealth is in unrealized capital gains.

He could have a gadzillion dollars of unrealized capital gains but he wouldn’t have to pay a dime in taxes on these gains unless these gains are cashed in.

Comment by polly
2011-09-21 17:02:59

If that was actually his only realized taxable income, his overall tax rate would be very close to his secretary’s. That puts you at paying SS on 100% of your income and in the 28% marginal bracket. Maybe 25%. But the federal income tax rate (not marginal rate) on the income would be in the vicinity of 15% to 17%.

So, no. He must have a heck of a lot of other income.

Comment by michael
2011-09-21 17:13:01

polly gets a cookie.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 19:15:25

But no x-ma$ bonu$! :-)

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2011-09-21 18:01:41

“So, no. He must have a heck of a lot of other income.”

True dat. But isn’t income as far as the IRS is concerned.

Somebody in Buffet’s positiion who controls billions and spends billions doesn’t necessairly have to personally take posession IRS-wise of the billions he controls and spends.

For example Buffet flies around in a private jet but he personally doesn’t own the jet. He gets to control where and when the jet flies as if he owns the thing but as far as the IRS is concerned the jet is owned by somebody (or something) else, so Buffet gets to fly in it for free.

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Comment by combotechie
2011-09-21 18:30:55

Income and wealth are two different things and are taxed differently.

If one can attain wealth in ways other than from income then he can benifit immensly tax wise, and apparantly this is what Buffett does.

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-09-21 18:38:38

I just now looked up the Presiden’t salary and learned that as of January 1, 2001 the President of the U.S. receives $400,000 a year in salary and $50,000 in expenses.

Does anyone on this message board really believe this is all the POTUS gets to spend?

 
Comment by polly
2011-09-21 18:58:57

Combo,

No. It is income as far as the IRS is concerned. It is just taxed at only 15% (capital gains and dividends) and it is so large it dwarfs the taxes he owes on his salary. It makes his overall tax rate the tiniest smidge over 15%.

I have never heard Buffet claim he was saying his tax rate is lower than his secretary’s by including unrealized income (increase in his wealth that is not actually income under the tax code). That would be absurd. Buffet is a lot of things. Absurd isn’t one of them.

 
Comment by polly
2011-09-21 19:05:15

Of course that isn’t all he “spends.” Most presidents are already wealthy, though the Obamas are fairly low on that scale.

Expenses that are directly related to the job are already covered - most obviously Air Force One. I expect his campaign covers some of the travel expenses as well.

I’m sure the break down of what sorts of expenses are covered by the president out of salary, out of expense money and what sorts are covered out of executive branch funds and possibly donations (Nancy’s new china) is located somewhere on the internet.

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-09-21 19:57:35

“No. It is income as far as the IRS is concerned. It is just taxed at only 15% (capital gains and dividends) and it is so large it dwarfs the taxes he owes on his salary.”

But he doesn’t receive capital gains or dividends so therefore there are no taxes for him to pay other than what he draws on his salary.

Berkshire doesn’t pay a dividend therefore Buffett isn’t taxed on dividends. And the only way he will be taxed on capital gains is for him to sell some of his Berkshire stock, which he won’t do.

So Buffett ends up getting all the benifits of a being super rich billionaire but is taxed as if he only earns a hundred thousand dollars a year.

 
 
 
Comment by michael
2011-09-21 17:17:35

“Buffett pays himself a hundred thousand dollars a year”

with all due respect combo…you have bought his act hook, line and sinker if you think that’s all there is to his (and related party) tax returns.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 19:13:27

you have bought his act hook, line and sinker if you think that’s all there is to his (and related party) tax returns.

Witch beg$ the que$tion? What did Goldennam$ucks buy from Uncle Warren & more importantly,…Why? ;-)

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-09-21 14:41:29

Future tax returns? You expect him to predict the future?

Comment by michael
2011-09-21 17:14:30

no prediction…i mean as he files them.

we would hate the gentle old man from omaha to have a lower effective tax rate than his secretary after the legislation is passed.

wouldn’t we?

bueller?

Comment by michael
2011-09-21 17:37:07

or perhaps it would be revealed that taxing cap gains and dividends of super duper rich “good intentioned” billionares was just a ruse.

tax all the U.S. billionaires 90% and you still wouldn’t get what obama wants.

you got get the last semblance of our productive economy (doctors, lawyers, other professional wage earners that EARN over 250k a year) in order to prop up the FIRE economy through wonton bail outs.

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Comment by michael
2011-09-21 17:39:53

wonton = wanton…lol…not the soup.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 19:10:56

R-U-arguing-with-u-yer-$elf?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-09-21 16:23:42

You still working for Goldenam$ucks? (Yes, that’s man spelled backwards like Vietman)

Goldenman$ucks: “we’re $o $mart!”
Uncle Warren: “$o here are my term$, …ye$ or no!”

It i$ what it wa$… :-)

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-09-21 14:30:58

If you pay attention, it won’t be a surprise when it happens.

MSNBC anchor CRAIG MELVIN: First, there’s some precedent here. What you write in your column of presidents who could have run for reelection but did not in the face of a hostile electorate, LBJ, ‘68, Truman in ‘52. Make the case for Obama sitting the next one out.

Chicago Tribune columnist STEVE CHAPMAN: We’ve got about as bad an economy as we’ve had since the Great Depression. It’s been going on for four years now. Unemployment is not falling, the economy is barely growing at all, and the forecasts are that it’s not gonna grow very much in the next year. So I think, given that, it’s hard for me to believe that the American electorate is gonna go to the polls next November and give Obama another four years, given that he’s had four years and the economy is no better. It’s really gonna work against him.

MELVIN: Well, you mentioned Hillary Clinton in your column, too, Steve.

CHAPMAN: Yeah. You know, she’s a person who’s run for president before.

MELVIN: Yeah.

CHAPMAN: She’s obviously very well known, has a lot of credibility, but I don’t think there’s anybody who would be credible as a Democratic Party nominee. Hillary is instantly credible. She doesn’t bear any credibility for the economic problems — and, in fact, she’s associated with a period of economic prosperity in the nineties when her husband was president. She also happens to be, according to the new Bloomberg poll, the most popular political figure in the country right now.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-09-21 14:43:40

“the most popular political figure in the country right now.”

Amazing.

 
Comment by darrell_in_phoenix
2011-09-21 14:57:43

And what worked under Clinton… lower interest rates, looser lending standards, more debt to fuel a bubble, won’t work this time. Rates are below inflation, fraud is still too common in lending despite tighter standards, and there is already too much debt.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-22 01:48:25

“…fraud is still too common in lending despite tighter standards…”

I don’t see how financial system health can improve much until systemic fraud is eliminated and trust is restored.

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-09-21 14:47:32

Was just over on LinkedIn. Seems that there’s an REIC-ster who’s asking people to write their Congress critters re: the burdensome 20% down payment requirement.

You’ll be pleased to know that all of the responders don’t consider 20% to be a burden.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-09-21 15:41:08

AZ,

Check out my post soon to come: Suze Orman/ABC Nightly News saying people shouldn’t be buying in this market unless they’re planning on staying in the home a long time, ie a decade and have at least 20% to put down.

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-09-21 14:56:34

http://news.yahoo.com/indian-govt-says-poverty-begins-below-50-cents-201642336.html

“India’s economic planning body has said any villager earning 50 cents a day is not poor and should not qualify for a government ration card — a figure condemned by experts on Wednesday.

Those with a daily income of 25 rupees (50 cents) in villages and 32 rupees (65 cents) in cities should be ineligible for subsidised food and other supplies, the Planning Commission told India’s Supreme Court.”

The proposed new benchmarks, which have already been approved by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s office, were condemned by poverty experts as unrealistic — especially with India’s soaring inflation.

“There is no way one person can feed and house himself on 32 rupees in a city for a day. This figure has no meaning for the common man,” Anupama Datta, deputy head of the National Slum Dwellers Federation, told AFP.

The Planning Commission, which says it has to set the poverty line to make optimal use of funds, filed the figures after the Supreme Court requested the updating of the cut-off point in the face of India’s near double-digit inflation.

While India boasts a burgeoning class of urban rich thanks to a fast-growing economy, hundreds of millions of people still face a lack of food, clean water and proper housing.

“A kilogramme (2.2 pounds) of rice costs 40 rupees which would last a family just one day,” said New Delhi housemaid Ambeka Muthuswami, adding that three bananas cost about 10 rupees.

India’s proposed poverty line cut-off is far below the World Bank’s figure of $1.25 a day.

Prominent Indian social activist Aruna Roy told the DNA newspaper that the level reflected “the government?s lack of empathy for the poor” and a “perspective completely divorced from reality.”

The Congress-led government has been under huge pressure to reduce its massive subsidy bill for the poor in order to reduce a gaping fiscal deficit.

Around 37 percent of India’s 1.2 billion population are currently deemed to live below the poverty line and are being given subsidised food and cooking fuel through state-owned stores.

Biraj Patnaik, adviser to an official commission on the right to food, said “when it comes to helping the poor, the government wants as few people as possible to get even the minimum benefits” to reduce its expenditure.

The final poverty line cut-off figures will be set after a national survey to be carried out in 2011-12, the commission said.

In May, the World Bank criticised India’s anti-poverty schemes, saying they were ineffective due to corruption and mismanagement.”

So 1 pound of rice and 3 bananas per villager for 2 days wages at 50 cents per day (the proposed new poverty line).

37% of 1.2 billion (444 million people) live below the current poverty line (not stated).

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-09-21 15:38:35

Ha! Just watched Suze Orman on the 6pm ABC Nightly News telling people if they were more than 20% underwater and banks weren’t negotiating w/them that they should just stop paying and save the money until the bank comes after them w/foreclosure.

The news also stated that the only people that should buy in this market are those that were going to stay put for at least a decade, and had 20% deposit to put down.

Wow! This is just starting to get interesting.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 16:32:22

Operation Twist is gonna fix it all.

P.S. What’s the practical difference between The Twist and Quantitative Easing?

Homeowners cheer Fed’s ‘Operation Twist.’ Wall Street, not so much.

The Federal Reserve announced Wednesday that it will drive down long-term interest rates through a strategy called ‘Operation Twist.’ The move has already pushed mortgage rates to historic lows, but Wall Street appears to have doubts about the plan’s broader economic impact.

By Ron Scherer, Staff writer / September 21, 2011

A trader works at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange’s Chicago Board of Trade Wednesday. The Federal Reserve on Wednesday ramped up its aid to the beleaguered US economy, launching an effort called ‘Operation Twist’ to put more downward pressure on long-term interest rates and increase its support for housing.

Jim Young/REUTERS
New York

For the last several weeks, Holly Gustlin, a mortgage broker at Surety Financial, has been advising her clients not to lock in the interest rate on mortgages they were seeking.

The Sherman Oaks, Calif., woman told prospective borrowers the Federal Reserve would be acting to lower long term interest rates in the future so they should hold off.

On Wednesday, Ms. Gustlin was ecstatic – the Federal Reserve announced it would be selling $400 billion in short-term Treasury securities and reinvesting the money in long-term securities by next June in an effort to lower long-term rates, especially for mortgages. In the bond market, interest rates fell.

“My clients are now saving up to a half a point in cost for the exact same interest rate simply by waiting till the afternoon,” says Gustlin.

For potential homeowners, the Fed’s new monetary policy move – nicknamed “Operation Twist,” since it involves the Fed selling short-term securities to buy long-term bonds – is a boon. Almost immediately after the Fed’s announcement, the interest rates on mortgages dropped to historic lows.

However, for the larger economy it’s less clear if the Fed’s actions will get business revving up or consumers pulling out their credit cards. That may be one of the reasons why the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 283.82 points, most of it after the Fed’s afternoon announcement.

Comment by rms
2011-09-21 19:03:55

“My clients are now saving up to a half a point in cost for the exact same interest rate simply by waiting till the afternoon,” says Gustlin.

Still going to over-pay for the home, but the “how much a month” FBs are ecstatic, haven’t learned a thing!

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 22:11:51

Has the Fed clarified yet the help is primarily for existing buyers? Ultra-low long-term rates not only serve to keep a lid on long-term mortage rates, but will also help keep prices propped up at unaffordable levels.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 21:21:39

HEARD ON THE STREET
SEPTEMBER 22, 2011

Fed Throws Banks a Curve Ball
BY DAVID REILLY

The Federal Reserve served up something of a double-whammy Wednesday for financial stocks.

The central bank said it would “twist” $400 billion of its $1.66 trillion in Treasury holdings into longer-dated debt. This was more than the $300 billion markets had been expecting, but a bigger surprise was that about 30% of the purchases would be in the 20- to 30-year range.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 21:59:13

Twist and shout, baby!

The Fed Wants to ‘Twist’ While the GOP Shouts

John Hudson Sep 21, 2011

“The Twist” is back in vogue in D.C. but Republican lawmakers are fleeing the dance floor. Today, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is rumored to announced a plan dubbed “Operation Twist,” in reference to the 1960s dance craze, that will move money in its $1.7 trillion portfolio “out of short-term securities and into longer-term holdings.” It’s designed to boost the slumping economy by lowering rates on mortgages “and other consumer and business loans,” reports the Associated Press. However, last night Republican leaders, including Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, sent a letter to Bernanke urging him to resist new efforts to lower interest rates. So what is this new Twist and what are the pros and cons for implementing it?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 22:27:42

It’s transparently obvious that Republicans care more about their Fall 2012 election prospects than they do about American workers.

Robert Reich’s Blog
The Republicans’ latest ploy to keep the economy lousy through election day

Republicans aim to block most or all of Obama’s jobs bill, and now they’re taking aim at Fed. chief Bernanke

By Robert Reich, Guest blogger / September 21, 2011

Whatever shred of doubt you may have harbored about the determination of congressional Republicans to keep the economy in the dumps through Election Day should now be gone.

Yesterday, in advance of a key meeting of the Federal Reserve Board’s Open Market Committee to decide what to do about the continuing awful economy and high unemployment, top Republicans wrote a letter to Fed Chief Ben Bernanke.

They stated in no uncertain terms the Fed should take no further action to lower long-term interest rates and juice the economy. “We have serious concerns that further intervention by the Federal Reserve could exacerbate current problems or further harm the U.S. economy.”

They didn’t threaten to “treat him pretty ugly” — as Texas Governor Rick Perry told his supporters last month he’d deal with Bernanke if he “printed more money” between now and the election.

But the threat was there. “It is not clear that the recent round of quantitative easing undertaken by the Federal Reserve has facilitiated economic growth or reduced the unemployment rate.”

Translated: You try this, and we rake you over the coals publicly, and make the Fed into an even bigger scapegoat than we’ve already made it.

Robert is chancellor’s professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley. He has served in three national administrations, most recently as secretary of labor under President Clinton. He has written 13 books, including ‘The Work of Nations,’ ‘Locked in the Cabinet,’ and his most recent book, ‘Aftershock: The Next Economy and America’s Future.’ His ‘Marketplace’ commentaries can be found on publicradio.com and iTunes.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-21 22:30:48

Why Jon Stewart can’t stop talking about Ron Paul

In an interview in Rolling Stone magazine, comedian Jon Stewart holds up presidential hopeful Ron Paul as an example of something that’s unusual in US politics: consistency.

By Peter Grier, Staff writer / September 19, 2011

Television host Jon Stewart holds the Emmy award for the ‘The Daily Show With Jon Stewart’ after winning for outstanding variety, music or comedy series, backstage at the 63rd Emmy Awards in Los Angeles on Sept. 18.

Jon Stewart just can’t stop talking about Ron Paul, apparently. There’s a long interview with “The Daily Show” host in the latest issue of Rolling Stone magazine, and in it Mr. Stewart holds up the libertarian GOP presidential aspirant as an example of something that’s unusual in US politics: consistency.

The subject comes up when Stewart is describing how much fun it is to pore through old tape looking for instances in which politicians have contradicted themselves. Airing that kind of thing is a “Daily Show” staple.

“You know a guy you’d have a hard time doing that do? Ron Paul, because he’s been consistent over the years,” says Stewart. “You may disagree with him, but at least you can respect that the guy has a belief system he’s engaged in and will defend.”

 
Comment by rms
2011-09-22 00:32:30

“This was more than the $300 billion markets had been expecting, but a bigger surprise was that about 30% of the purchases would be in the 20- to 30-year range.”

The current generation passes their debt to my children.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-22 01:45:03

CNNMoney
The Fed’s twist won’t make the economy dance
By Nin-Hai Tseng, writer-reporter September 21, 2011: 4:03 PM ET

Long-term interest rates are already low and they aren’t doing much to spur economic growth. How will ‘Operation Twist’ change that?

FORTUNE – Throughout the economic downturn, the Federal Reserve has been torn by two responsibilities: Keep prices stable and institute policies to help the economy to grow.

Today, it appears officials are more worried about the troubled economy than inflation. In another unconventional move to boost an economy on the brink of a second recession, the Federal Open Market Committee said it would raise its share of longer-term Treasuries by $400 billion by June 2012.

Not all members agreed on this. Worried about inflation, Richard Fisher of the Dallas Fed, Narayana Kocherlakota of Minneapolis and Charles Plosser of Philadelphia voted against the program dubbed “Operation Twist,” similar to a move made with mixed results in 1961.

However, worries have been running high inside the central bank about joblessness and weak economic growth. The unemployment rate hovers at a high 9.1% and is expected to decline only gradually. And it doesn’t help the dissenters’ inflation argument when absolutely no jobs were created in August.

The idea behind Operation Twist is to hold long-term rates down further by buying up long-term debt. This would ideally allow people to get cheaper mortgages and companies to finance their operations at better rates.

But there’s more than one twist here. Fed officials have tried bold moves similar to this before. In June, the central bank completed a widely criticized program of bond purchases that essentially pumped $600 billion of newly printed money into the financial system. It sparked fears of inflation and, even though it helped send mortgage rates to record lows, it didn’t spur home purchases or refinancing.

Today’s move is technically different in that it aims to ease financial conditions without raising the amount of money circulating in the financial system. While it might allay inflation fears a bit, lowering long-term rates likely won’t help the overall economy much. After all, Freddie Mac’s latest survey shows the average rate on 30-year, fixed rate mortgages is at 4.09% — the lowest level in more than 50 years.

Admittedly, the Fed has shown its commitment to keep the economy chugging along. And right now, with the ongoing debt crisis in Europe unnerving investors worldwide, the U.S. economy needs all the support it can get.

But the Fed is running out out-of-the box prescriptions. It can only do much. Isn’t it time for Congress to act?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-22 02:01:11

SMARTMONEY MAGAZINE
SEPTEMBER 21, 2011, 4:04 P.M. ET

Has Housing Finally Hit Bottom?
After yet another summer of bad news, an intrepid few think it might be a good time to buy real estate.

For homebuyer Barbara Weeks, the current Seattle housing market is the right place at the right time. Three years ago, the 74-year-old retired teacher found a condo north of the city that she adored but couldn’t afford. A month ago, she drove by it “just to see” and found a for sale sign — with a list price 34 percent lower. “I knew I had to get it,” Weeks says. And she locked in a 4.6 percent interest rate on her mortgage — the lowest rate of all the five properties she has purchased over the past 40 years.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-22 02:43:02

Government by brinkmanship

Republicans and Democrats in Congress are squaring off again in a budget dispute that could force the government to shut down. That’s not what most Americans want from lawmakers.

September 22, 2011

Less than two months after a corrosive battle over the debt ceiling, Republicans and Democrats in Congress are squaring off again in a budget dispute that could force the government to shut down. That’s the third such threat this year, with another looming in mid-November. The impasse this time is a disagreement over how much to spend on disaster relief, and whether to cut other programs to offset some of the spending. This is the kind of disagreement that should be easy to resolve. Yet not only are lawmakers proving themselves unable to settle these disputes without resorting to brinkmanship, House Republican leaders are managing the budget process in a way that sets up one artificial crisis after another. That’s no way to govern.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-22 02:49:12

The global economy may be on the brink of another crushing downturn, but at least Americans can rest in peace over their cheap mortgages.

The Financial Times
Global Market Overview
Last updated: September 22, 2011 10:22 am
Risk assets rattled by Fed’s bleak outlook

By Jamie Chisholm, Global Markets Commentator
Traders work on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange

Thursday 10.20 BST. Growth-focused assets are taking a battering as fears over the global economy roil markets following pessimistic comments from the US Federal Reserve and evidence of slowing activity in China’s factories and across Europe.

The FTSE All-World equity index is down 2.4 per cent, after the Asia-Pacific region slumped 3.9 per cent to a 15-month low. European bourses are displaying a sea of red as the FTSE Eurofirst 300 stumbles 3.8 per cent. S&P 500 futures suggest Wall Street will lose another 1.9 per cent following Wednesday’s 2.9 per cent plunge.

Commodities are slumping, with copper off 4.9 per cent to a 12-month trough of $3.57 a pound, while traditional havens such as the dollar and Treasuries are in demand. The buck is up 0.7 per cent on a trade-weighted basis while 10-year US sovereigns are yielding 1.80 per cent, down 5 basis points and the lowest in several decades.

Strange stresses can be seen across credit markets. Germany’s 5-year credit default swaps, which track the cost of insuring Berlin’s sovereign bonds against default, have hit a record high of 105 basis points even as Bund yields hit record lows below 1.7 per cent. For context, Italian CDS have hit a record high of 550bp.

Clearly, investors who were hopeful that the Fed’s much-anticipated “Operation Twist” would bolster risk appetite have been sorely disappointed. The move has had its intended main effect, flattening the yield curve by pushing down long-dated US interest rates. US homeowners will welcome this as it should allow for cheaper mortgages.

Related

Fed launches $400bn ‘Operation Twist’
Money Supply A big twist
‘Twist’ is a sign of the Fed’s resolve
Fed fulfils bond market forecasts
Central banks seek to bolster economies

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-09-22 02:55:31

Here is some hollow comfort for U.S. stock market investors.

Trading Post.

Wall Street has given its immediate response to the Federal Reserve’s latest monetary policy decision. Now investors can look forward to parsing some microeconomic fundamentals when the US third-quarter earnings season gets under way in a few weeks.

Tobin’s equity Q

So how do stocks stand in valuation terms? One gauge is Tobin’s Q, the ratio of market capitalisation to the replacement value of assets.

Proponents of Q say the current reading shows US stocks are about 40 per cent overvalued versus the long-term average (see chart).

But John Higgins at Capital Economics argues this is not fair because big rises in corporate expenditure on intangible assets over recent decades are not adequately captured in net worth calculations, so “the actual degree of overvaluation is probably a lot less”.

Mr Higgins says this suggests the downside for stocks may be limited.

“Indeed, our view that valuations are not especially stretched from a historical perspective is the main reason why we expect the S&P 500 to end next year around its current level of 1,200 despite our gloomy prognosis for the US economy,” he concludes.

 
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