This Time Things Are Different
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Wilfredo Guzman bought his Indian Orchard home in 2001 with what he says was a predatory mortgage, taking up seventy-five percent of his monthly income. After losing his full-time job, Wilfredo struggled to provide for his nine children while on unemployment. He eventually found a new job, but it was too late to stop the foreclosure. Now Fannie Mae owns 78 Healey Street, and they want the Guzman family out. The Guzman family has offered to pay rent or even buy back their home at its current market value, but they say Fannie Mae hasn’t responded to their offers.”
“‘I’m not leaving. I’m not going to leave,’ he said. ‘I’m going to stay here and they’re going to have to remove me by force. I will refuse to let go of my home for my children.’”
“Six activists protesting bank foreclosures were arrested after occupying Chase bank on Market Street in downtown San Francisco. They’ve been released, and Brenda Reed made the following statement to the crowd: ‘Chase Bank is trying to steal my home of 38 years.’ She said, ‘It’s government-sanctioned, nationalized fraud,’ and added, ‘there are thousands and thousands and thousands of people like me, all over California.’”
“Like many homeowners selling in a stubbornly depressed market, Candy Spelling didn’t get her asking price. Her 14-bedroom, 57,000-square-foot mansion in the Holmby Hills section of west Los Angeles was on the market for 28 months — at $150 million, the priciest private home ever listed in the United States. Spelling eventually accepted $85 million.”
“‘At the time it was listed, $130 million was the bottom line. If market conditions had been better, maybe I would have gotten more,’ says Spelling, who pocketed another $6 million from artwork and furnishings after closing the sale this summer.”
“Idaho-based Stoney Burke of Hall and Hall ranch listings include a 1,750-acre spread near Wyoming’s Grand Tetons on the market for $175 million. Burke has weathered several recessions and depressed markets over nearly a 40-year career. ‘In the past, the very best properties would flat line for two or three years and go back up in value,’ he says. ‘This time, despite substantial price cuts, things are different. The buyers aren’t there.’”
“Former wrestling star Hulk Hogan has revealed he blew ‘hundreds of millions’ on a lavish lifestyle during his glory years. The 58-year-old admitted he was now living in a rented home having slashed the price of his Florida mansion by $16m in a bid to get it off the market. ‘There are houses being bought, and cars being bought, and vacations for family members,’ he said. ‘There was eight, nine, $10 million, $11 million going out, so it got way off,’ he said.”
“Nearly one out of every seven mortgages in the Sacramento region is somewhere in the foreclosure pipeline, according to a Bee analysis of local foreclosure data. Based on the average monthly sales in the capital region, it would take a year and a half to exhaust this ’shadow inventory’ of distressed properties. This figure includes three categories of distressed properties: 12,285 houses already owned by lenders but not sold. 19,367 units whose owners have received an initial foreclosure notice, or notice of default, but have not yet been foreclosed upon. Another 21,604 borrowers who are 90 days or more behind on their payments but have not yet been served with a foreclosure notice.”
“‘This problem has been lingering for a long time,’ said Doug Covill, president of the 5,500-member Sacramento Association of Realtors. ‘The sooner we get through this inventory, the sooner the economy improves.’”
“Of seven economists interviewed by the Palm Beach Post, six said they generally believe speedier foreclosures will lead to a swifter rebound in the housing market and a more rapid healing of the economy at large. ‘There might be a painful adjustment process at first but is it better to take the pain up front or have it hanging over our head for 10 years?’ said Mark Vitner, the Wells Fargo economist.”
“Pasco County’s legislative delegation listened for four hours Monday as speakers took turns. J. Thomas McGrady, chief judge of the 6th Judicial Circuit, which includes Pasco and Pinellas counties, asked the delegation to oppose a bill that would take courts out of the foreclosure process. ‘If we’re going to take judicial oversight away from that, I think it will take due process away from homeowners,’ McGrady said.”
“Weatherford said foreclosures take too long in Florida compared with other states. ‘It’s prolonging the depression,’ he said.”
“McGrady said the lenders, not judges, are causing delays. ‘Banks don’t want to own the property because they don’t want to pay the taxes, insurance and upkeep,’ he said. ‘We can move them faster if the lenders want to move them faster.’”
“Seventy-eight-year-old Norman Harris takes pride in his property, and is tired of looking at overgrown grass, broken windows and transients hanging out at the abandoned home next door. The home in Tampa’s Grant Park neighborhood used to be someone’s investment home. A tenant moved out in 2007, and Harris says the home has been empty ever since. Two years later, in 2009, US Bank filed for foreclosure. But the lender hasn’t taken it back, and it hasn’t taken any steps toward maintaining the home.”
“‘At one time, somebody was sleeping in that shed back there,’ Harris said. ‘It’s ridiculous.”
“The LDS Church has completed all of the 425 condominiums that will be part of its City Creek project when it opens next year. Now the tough part: Getting people to buy them. About two-thirds of the 90 units, priced from the $200,000s to more than $2 million, are still for sale. ‘We have buyers sitting on the fence,” said Mark Gibbons, president of a development arm of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. ‘They are either trying to get financing, which can be hard in this market, or they are trying to get another property sold.’”
“According to the Utah Realtors Association, homes are starting to sell again. But it’s still a buyers’ market, and many sellers are finding they have to put up some bargain prices to get their homes sold. Like many other homeowners in Utah, Krista Numbers has learned that selling a home right now isn’t all easy. A short sale, she put her home up for a bargain price and got a buyer in just a few days. ‘The thing that I have definitely learned with this market is you have to roll with it. You’re buying high and selling high, or you’re in a market where you’re gonna sell lower and you’re gonna buy lower,’ she said.”
“Realtor Vann Larsen says the good news is homeowners can make that quick sale if they’re willing to face the facts. ‘The sellers aren’t going to get what they thought their home was worth a few years ago, but those values were inflated,’ he said.”
“A departing Federal Reserve official lit into the U.S. central bank’s ultra-easy policies, saying they may be doing more harm than good and could harm economic growth over the long term. ‘When you encourage consumption by inhibiting your interest rates from rising to their equilibrium level, you will in fact buy problems, and we have in fact bought problems,’ Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank President Thomas Hoenig said in his final speech in office.”
“In a little more than two weeks, after more than 33 years on the job, Bill Malkasian will hang it up as president of the Wisconsin Realtors Association. The next day he will start his new job, as a senior political strategist for the National Association of Realtors. And as the Wisconsin market moves out of its current downturn — something Malkasian estimated would take another three to four years — the industry, at every level, needs to mend some fences, he said.”
“‘We’ve lost a lot of trust in real estate right now,’ Malkasian said. ‘We’ve got a whole new generation of people who think homeownership may not be as cool as it used to be. Because (their) mom and dad had a foreclosure. It’s like how Grandma and Grandpa had a Depression. There is a huge psychological change here.’”
‘”We have buyers sitting on the fence,” said Mark Gibbons, president of a development arm of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.’
Et tu, Jesu?
I think they should try a new sales campaign.
“A pair of new magic underwear free with with each condo purchase”
PTL!
I am surprised the LDS got into real estate speculation.
I guess they are building condos for Jesus??
Not a huge surprise to me; There’s been a rumor floating around that the LDS church owns multiple slummy apartment buildings in my city via shell companies controlled by church members. Some of these places are pretty well known by the local PD too. I imagine some enterprising muckraker could do a little research and maybe make a name for themself…
…and suddenly find himself very uncomfortable in Utah.
“Of seven economists interviewed by the Palm Beach Post, six said they generally believe speedier foreclosures will lead to a swifter rebound in the housing market and a more rapid healing of the economy at large.”
If a person has been dead wrong in the past, quit relying on that person. So the Palm Beach Post fixes that by asking seven people who have been dead wrong in the past. Why not be sure and ask a 100 economist - and make sure the have PHD’s.
“The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
You’ll have a rapid healing of the economy, but you won’t have a swifter rebound in the housing market, not right away. When those FB’s and BK’s and foreclosures finally repair their credit and try to drive up the market again, they will find that this time, the bank wants 20% down. AND the secondary market will find that Fannie/Freddie, now in receivership and no longer headed by a corrupt private CEO, won’t be so willing to act as the greatest fool. AND the banks won’t be able to count on Uncle sugar to bail them out, thanks to Dodd-Frank.
Result: house prices will not rebound. But people will have to double up to pay the rent. Welcome to 1895.
I don’t know about that. Swifter is a relative term. 20 years instead of 30 years is swifter. I don’t know if there is any particular reason to believe that getting rid of the foreclosures will lead to that result, but it isn’t impossible.
Let’s look at Wilfredo’s house at 78 Healey Street, Springfield MA (Indian Orchard subdivision):
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/78-Healey-St-Springfield-MA-01151/56214899_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-bubble-address}
1929 6/1 on 0.13 acres. I don’t know how 11 people got along on one bathroom, but what the hey.
The article says he bought it in 2001, but Zillow doesn’t list a 2001 sale price (unusual for Zillow). Zillow lists two other sales:
Mar 2005: Sold $99K
Jun 2007: Sold $125K
huh??? Those “predatory” mortgages weren’t really around in 2001. Let’s assume a worst case scenario — let’s say he re-fied for in 2007 with a very predatory mortgage: $125K, 2.2% 6 month teaser ARM, adjust a half-percent up every 6 months, no money down. Even fully amorted, at four years his payment would be about $746 a month. If that’s 75% of his income, then he would never had made more than $1000 a month. Even the $500 a week crowd can beat that.
No matter how you slice it, something does not add up. Could I have the wrong house???
Maybe they borrowed bathrooms from Hulk Hogan? (see below)
The data in Zillow is getting scruffy with age. Data items that showed up in the past have gone missing. I’ve been watching a house near Denver that belonged to a guy I know who is going BK. He bought in 2005 for about $280K. That sale once showed up on Zillow but recently got “erased”. Now it only shows the previous sale in 1999. It also erased a ReMax listing on the REO.
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2443-Country-Club-Loop-Westminster-CO-80234/12964030_zpid/
Make that bought in 2005 for around $480K.
Ah, thank you, I was wondering.
I would replace “scruffy” with “scrubbed.”
“Data items that showed up in the past have gone missing.”
Are you certain the home in question hasn’t been bulldozed already?
Wilfredo and his NINE kids?
JC, someone should have bought this guy a television!
They didn’t mention a wife or if the kids lived with him.
Mexican parthenogenisis?
“‘I’m not leaving. I’m not going to leave,’ he said. ‘I’m going to stay here and they’re going to have to remove me by force. I will refuse to let go of my home for my children.’”
There is clearly a great sequel to this story in the making.
“I will refuse to let go of MY HOME”. LOL
Good luck with that strategy, clown. I love how the money borrowed to buy/refi a home leads to this entitlement mentality.
“This figure includes three categories of distressed properties: 12,285 houses already owned by lenders but not sold. 19,367 units whose owners have received an initial foreclosure notice, or notice of default, but have not yet been foreclosed upon. Another 21,604 borrowers who are 90 days or more behind on their payments but have not yet been served with a foreclosure notice.”
That’s quite the inventory shadow over the Sac market…
…and having been inside of some of these houses (yes, I’m sort of looking right now) anything under 200K is usually absolute crap. Most will need so much work the asking price no longer is any sort of good deal. I don’t think the flipper/investor crowd can successfully break even on some of these dumps. Good luck pawning them off on end users.
I’m seeing this scenario playing out in my nabe. There are a couple of foreclosed properties on the market, and oh are they a mess!
One looks like the previous residents didn’t know the meaning of the word “housework.” It looks like it hadn’t been cleaned in years.
The other looks like a classic case of a dumpy house near a busy street. Meaning that the asking price of almost $100k is a dream. And this place is being offered by Fannie or Freddie. (Sorry, I can’t remember which. Will have to go check the sign out in front of the house.)
There is a fairly simple formula to apply, if you can use local comps to estimate the value of similar homes in move-in ready condition. Simply ask a contractor or two what the work would cost to restore the trashed foreclosure home to move-in ready, and subtract from what move-in ready comps are worth to back out your offer price.
“Chase Bank is trying to steal my home of 38 years.”
Hey Brenda, what did you do with the money???
The SF Bay Guardian is an extremist paper, sort of like the Daily Kos on newsprint or Mother Jones in a local daily form. The comments are hilarious. One thoughtful poster PaulT asks what did she do with the money. All the other posters attack him, saying he’s “blaming the victim” and that “normal mortgages are 40 years”.
Were 40-year mortages normal 40 years ago?
Even if they were, house prices were so darn low back then that she could probably have made the mortgage payment with today’s food stamps.
Sounds like the HBB mentality is catching on.
GAK!
“1,750-acre spread near Wyoming’s Grand Tetons on the market for $175 million”
$100,000 per acre in the middle of nowhere?
How many head can you raise per acre out there?
I thought farmland too expensive in NY @$3K/acre.
not really a heavy farming area…moe like aspen or ketchum.
…and so do larry and curly…
Mongo like candy…..
LOL
The only property that’s probably worth the money in that long laundry-list article in USA Today is Carole King’s ranch in the Sawtooth NRA. When that area was established as the Sawtooth NRA and Sawtooth Wilderness, a handful of private property owners were grandfathered in and could keep their land as private property. Her ranch would be like owning a ranch in the middle of Yellowstone NP or Yosemite NP - to use an overworked real estate cliche, it’s truly a unique property.
Carole King’s getting up there — she’ll be turning 70 next year.
And you know how life is at that age. Being out in the country on a big ranch isn’t as appealing as it once was.
Methinks Carole is preparing for a downsizing/move to a more populated area.
Especially when the Sawtooth valley is one of the coldest places in the lower 48. Stanley recorded a January low of - 55 degrees F. one night back in the early 1980’s. Now that’s cold! Only 100 brave souls live year-round in Stanley.
By coincidence I drove through that area yesterday. It might be my last chance of the year as snow is forecast next week.
I doubt its being marketed as farmland. More like a trophy property for a zillionaire.
If you’re not getting the Robb Report you probably aren’t in their target demographic.
I admit, I love that magazine, sort of.
Here’s some red meat for alpha-sloth and measton:
I think it’s pretty funny that the subscribers to a magazine which features $40 million private jets, lists private islands for sale, and reviews high-end travel concierges, would be swayed by 10 PERCENT OFF the price of a $50/year magazine.
Robb Report Circulation To Increase 20 Percent In Second Half Of 2008
NEW YORK (January 17, 2008) – CurtCo Media today announced that circulation for luxury lifestyle monthly Robb Report is increasing by 20 percent in 2008.
…This growth illustrates the unique position of Robb Report’s ultra high net worth audience amidst the general market’s concerns over today’s economic climate.
Specifically, the circulation for the second half of 2008 will reflect growth from 100,000 to 120,000. Continued increases are also projected for subsequent years, according to the company.
http://www.robbreport.com/News-and-Press/Robb-Report-Circulation-To-Increase-20-Percent-In-Second-Half-Of-2008
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But, wait, that’s not all….
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Difficult Times for Robb Report: Southeast Asia Edition Closes as U.S. Robb Report Sees Single Copy Sales Plummet
By Doug Gollan (March 25, 2010)
…it’s relatively easy to manipulate subscriptions with incentives, while selling your magazine on the newsstand is a benchmark of whether or not a consumer is interested in the content.
Among the most telling numbers was that from June 2008 to December 2009 publisher’s statement, single copy sales of Robb Report dropped from 48,221 copies to 31,142, a decline of 17,079 copies or some 35 percent.
Interestingly while Robb Report’s paid subscriptions remain virtually flat at 51,376, helped by a 10 percent discount in subscription pricing, Robb Report is attempting to make up the shortfall by increasing its controlled, or verified circulation, increasing its numbers in that category by close to 150 percent from 8,837 to 19,252.
http://tinyurl.com/6683lqy
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Former wrestling star Hulk Hogan…
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/130-Willadel-Dr-Belleair-FL-33756/47137302_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}
It’s a gorgous house, but too big. Why do you need 10 bathrooms for a 5-bed house. They must have been planning for some VERY *ahem* ‘wild’ entertaining. Zillow says the house was sold in 1992 for $2 million but it was built in 1996… I guess it took four years to build.
Even at $8M, he’ll still come out far ahead. It sounds as if he bought all that stuff outright, so no debt. Looks like Hulk is just downsizing like a normal dude. Good for him.
His mid-life struggles have been news here. His body is feeling the physical toll of a wrestling career. He went through an acrimonious divorce not too long ago, after which his ex-wife began a relationship with a young man thirty years her junior. His son had a horrific car accident in 2007; the son walked away but did time in jail for reckless driving, and his passenger was left permanently mentally disabled. I’m sure many hundreds of thousands of dollars were spent, unsuccessfully it now seems, trying to turn his daughter into a pop music and reality star. He once lived large, but it’s over now. I’ve never met him personally, but I’ve not heard anyone say that he’s a bad guy.
Sounds like Arnold’s story. Arnold at least has some money left plus his nice place in Ketchum.
I actually know a little something about this man and yes he his a good man who got caught up in a world of the money and fame will never end.
“but I’ve not heard anyone say that he’s a bad guy.”
I was surprised to read this story. My last rental was right down the road from his house and I’d see him around town quite a bit. I was always impressed that all I ever saw him driving was his signature yellow truck, which is by no means an excessive vehicle. That and a moped!
He also occasionally works out in a very humble gym by a high school that I frequent.
Anyway, yes, for a guy that could get away with being a complete a-hole, he’s pretty much a normal dude from my incidental encounters. And even though his house is opulent, it’s by no means vulgar for the area or even remotely close to what other celebs buy.
RE Hoenig:
There are too points of view here. Let those who control the private sector do whatever it damn well pleases, and have the government try to limit the damage to the rest of it when things go wrong.
Or stop the private sector from acting irresponsibly to begin with.
Hoenig advocated the former point of view, but under Greenspan the executive class was allowed to run riot. Better to clean up afterward, Greenspan said.
Now Bernanke is trying to clean up, and perhaps feels bad that the flip-side of all the $billionaire’s created is the impoverishment of everyone else.
The question for Hoenig is, how much should the bottom 90 percent have to suffer for what the top 1 percent has done, if the idea is to have the government stop trying to do anything for the bottom 90 percent to balance the budget?
‘Now Bernanke is trying to clean up’.
Yeah. I read the other day how hard Bernanke was “working” to save the economy. I can get up everyday and print money and hand it out to big corporations. How is that hard work?
‘if the idea is to have the government stop trying to do anything for the bottom 90 percent’
If the govt could make the world great for the masses, the Soviet Union would be a global powerhouse. Govt takes and then hands out this and that. It’s inefficient, unfair, and often misguided. IMO, the economy does well in spite of DC, not because of it.
We’ve got to where we look to govt to solve our problems. These politicians are crooks and/or idiots. So whose fault is it that we aren’t getting anywhere?
I’m always amazed at the simple faith some people have in government. Their view is that businessmen are liars and crooks, whereas people who work in government are noble and altruistic servants of the people. Actually both groups are liars and crooks, looking out for their own self-interest. At least businessmen are honest enough to say they are in it for the money.
We used to wonder at how many millionaires there were in the US Senate. Now we’ve got more than one billionaire in the Senate.
Look at what the current President hopes to raise for his re-election; a billion dollars. People were amazed when Bush2 raised half that, just a few years ago. Where do you suppose they get that kind of money?
Hence my often-expressed idea: draft Congress!
Make serving in Congress akin to the military draft or jury duty. “Greetings. Your friends and neighbors have selected you for a 2 year term in the US House of Representatives.”
William F. Buckley Jr. famously said he’d rather be governed by the first 200 names in the Boston phone book than by the faculty of Harvard. My plan would essentially do something similar.
Or we could just hang a couple each year. Just trying to think outside the box here…
I seem to recall that Arthur C Clark had such a setup in a scifi book he wrote: Songs of Distant Earth. A remote world called “Thallasa” was colonized by humans who were genetically altered to not be greedy or aggressive. Therefore people had to be drafted to govern.
This worked well until a (sublight) ship arrives unexpectedly from earth (after it was destroyed when the Sun became a red giant). The ship, the Magellan, has the last few million “normal” humans in the universe on board, most of them in hibernation. It’s on its way to colonize another world and stops at Thallasa to make repairs. Some of the passengers decide to stay on Thallasa … and you can guess what happens.
“Or we could just hang a couple each year”
Easy Ben, Big Sis is watching.
And I second your motion!
Ben, let us be Frank about your proposal…..
Hence my often-expressed idea: draft Congress!
I like this idea. Or at least some significant portion (maybe 1/3) of congress be drafted or similar to jury duty. The other 2/3 could be elected.
“Or we could just hang a couple each year”
Careful. For the first time of which I am aware, two American citizens were summarily condemned to death without trial and killed by predator drone attack. Of course they were out of the country, plotting terrorist attacks on the U.S., enemy combatants and all that, but still…
News Analysis
American Strike on American Target Revives Contentious Constitutional Issue
By SCOTT SHANE
Published: September 30, 2011
WASHINGTON — The killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen struck on Friday by a missile fired from a drone aircraft operated by his own government, instantly reignited a difficult debate over terrorism, civil liberties and the law.
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Except, at least with a business, you can just NOT buy their products or use their services.
With government - you are forced (at the point of a gun) to pay for and use their “services” whether you want it or not.
“Except, at least with a business, you can just NOT buy their products or use their services.”
You mean businesses like gas or food or health insurance? And what a coinkydink, that’s where all the speculation is these days…
Oh, for goodness sake. You can choose which gas station you purchase gas at (or even get rid of your car!)
You can choose where you buy your food - or even grow some of your own!
Health insurance depends on where you live. In MA, it’s required. But once again, this is government at work.
How good government is depends on the Agency, and the Administration.
Agencies may have 6 layers of management from the head of the agency to the worker bee. I’ve heard that in some agencies, the top four of those six layers are political appointees.
Similarly by theory Nazi Germany should be a global powerhouse. The other form of government control over the economy, fascism rewarded elites (the master race) by taking from others and by currency manipulations. The failure of the Nazis was ensured of course because they would eventually run out of other people’s countries to conquer and enslave, much like socialism fails when it runs out of other people’s money to spend.
“fascism rewarded elites (the master race) by taking from others and by currency manipulations.”
So our long national nightmare of experimentation with corporatism(fascism as you like to call it) is almost over?
“‘We’ve lost a lot of trust in real estate right now,’ Malkasian said. ‘We’ve got a whole new generation of people who think homeownership may not be as cool as it used to be. Because (their) mom and dad had a foreclosure. It’s like how Grandma and Grandpa had a Depression. There is a huge psychological change here.’”
The President of the Wisconsin Realtors Association speaks…
The truth?
Thank you for posting this.
The fawkin Liars just can’t bring themselves to admit the truth can they? How many times have we heard these phoney attempts at contrition? Scores I’d estimate.
And of course this Liars latest excuse is “foreclosures”. Typical blaming, lying, dishonest realtor.
“Open Public Question to Realtor”
When will you fully admit your complicity in this mess? Without excuses, without blaming… a simple acknowledgement like “We Were WRONG to do and say what we did” and then just shut your mouths. Does a SINGLE one of you know what an apology is? ANYONE OF YOU? Just STFU…. spare us the blaming and lying. Just SAY “WE WERE WRONG” and end it.
You Realtors are just plain too stupid and corrupt to know how to apologize. Morons.
“Seventy-eight-year-old Norman Harris takes pride in his property, and is tired of looking at overgrown grass, broken windows and transients hanging out at the abandoned home next door. The home in Tampa’s Grant Park neighborhood used to be someone’s investment home. A tenant moved out in 2007, and Harris says the home has been empty ever since. Two years later, in 2009, US Bank filed for foreclosure. But the lender hasn’t taken it back, and it hasn’t taken any steps toward maintaining the home.”
“‘At one time, somebody was sleeping in that shed back there,’ Harris said. ‘It’s ridiculous.”
Preach it, Norman. This very scenario’s playing out in my neighborhood.
Foreclosed house down the street and ’round the corner turned into a flophouse. One of my neighbors (who’s as big of a squeaky wheel as I am) made numerous reports to the city.
Finally, the entity that was foreclosing on the house got the message and the bums were kicked out. House was trashed inside, my neighbor says.
It’s been sold to a family that’s using it as a place to stash their college student kiddies. The kiddies were a bit of a problem last year — threw a loud party to which the cops came — but they’re behaving this year.
Then there’s that foreclosed in-VEST-ment property south of the park. I think the homeless have been camping in its back yard. Place is going for auction soon, so we shall see…
I enjoyed (like many fans) Hulk in his profession, but like so many if they made $10 they spent $15 if they made millions they blew millions, I still can’t feel sorry for any of these folks?
The truly scary thing that nobody talks or even, thinks about is, what are the boomers going to do when they retire? With the financial markets in free-fall so much wealth has been destroyed a lot of urban boomers will sell out of cities to buy cheaper homes in the country. They will need the difference to supplement their old age living. Real estate has been dropping like crazy without taking this factor into consideration.
As the first wave of boomers are just now reaching that age, it is pretty much a guarantee, real estate has no where to go but straight down. It will not recover for twenty years.
The truly scary thing that nobody talks or even, thinks about is, what are the boomers going to do when they retire?
I don’t think that the boomers are going to retire en masse like their parents did. They simply won’t be able to afford it.
So…what kind of employment will they find? Or will they be able to keep their current jobs? In engineering that usually doesn’t work. You get to a “certain age” and on your next layoff you’re done. Nobody will hire you.
Carl- What “certain age” are you speaking of when a FT engineering career is basically finished?
I thought for most people it happened in their 50s. I’m not there yet, so I can’t say for sure…
I thought for most people it happened in their 50s.”
correct and often because by that time an engineer has become a higher paid manager
Buh Bye
At least in engineering there are some older engineers who have the years of experience to make practical common sense solutions to save a lot of time in their work and can use that advantage to be more productive than the greens. Does not happen all the time but I have seen it.
Sadly, I have seen many 50 and older engineers who have medical issues or don’t have the “quick learner” ability to use new tools and do tasks that younger people do. Usually those medical things are like diabetes, heart issues - always they are obese. They tend to have contracts of less than six months. I’ve seen people fired within two weeks.
I’m 52 and my health comes first so that I can still perform for my career. When I have to have two different contracts within a year that is the sign that I lost my touch and I should look to working at Wal-Mart.
Boomers like me paid attention and sold their urban real estate in 2006. Most people just weren’t paying attention.
Why would boomers go to the country? See note about Carole King, age 70, selling her ranch. She’s up in years. What happens if someone who is not wealthy but her age slips and breaks a hip and the ambulance is 60 miles away? What happens when the young criminals who cannot find work victimize the elderly in the rural parts and take advantage of slower reaction time, bad eyesight, forgetfulness, etc? It ain’t a pretty sight.
The boomers’ offspring are in the cities where the wages (if they are lucky to have jobs) are higher. So the aged boomers living alone miles away from emergency help?
Homey don’t think so.
“a lot of urban boomers will sell out of cities to buy cheaper homes in the country.”
Who are they going to sell their urban homes to? It looks to me like most of them are screwed.