LUXEMBOURG (AP) — Finance ministers from the 17 euro countries will grapple over Greece’s ever-worsening debt crisis, a day after Athens revealed its deficit will be higher than previously promised.
Meeting the budget targets is a precondition for getting the next euro8 billion ($10.8 billion) installment of the country’s first, euro110 billion bailout.
Although the ministers have already said they won’t decide on the next payment at their meeting Monday in Luxembourg, Athens’ pre-emptive announcement that the targets will be missed is set to put the issue high up on the agenda.
The announcement will also force the eurozone to decide whether they will go ahead with a second euro109 billion rescue package tentatively agreed in July. Germany, among others, has been pushing to reopen that deal.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information.
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Yes, the EURO rescue du jour. It seems the EURO needs to be rescued at least once a week at an ever increasing price tag.
So far Germany & France are holding the EURO zone together by co-signing hundreds of billions in loan guarantees. At around 85% debt/GDP for both and a deficit of 2% and 5% respectively plus 20% and rising in various backups and guarantees the day is near when France and Germany will lose their AAA rating. That will be the day when the EURO becomes unglued. Until then banksters are making a tidy profit of EU tax payers.
Published: Saturday, 1 Oct 2011 | 8:49 AM ET
By: Karina Frayter, CNBC Markets Producer
Home prices are unlikely to recover before 2020 and mortgage defaults will persist for years, says a survey of bank risk managers out Friday.
The survey conducted by the Professional Risk Managers’ International Association for FICO, found that 49 percent of respondents do not expect housing prices to rise back to 2007 levels for another nine years. Only 21 percent of respondents said they would.
In addition, 73 percent of surveyed bankers say they expect mortgage defaults to remain elevated for at least another five years. And 46 percent believe mortgage delinquencies will increase over the next six months.
Do they mean that house prices are “rising” or “rising back to 2007 levels”? It’s entirely possible that home prices could start rising today and take 10 years to finish their rises to 2007 levels.
I have nver understood this aspect of the market. People are always saying that they want to wait until the “market gets better.” I’m fairly sure that means there are more buyers out there and perhaps that prices are starting to rise. Well, if the market is still going down and seems to be continuting in that direction, then why would you wait for the first glimpse of it going up? That is waiting to sell at the bottom. You might not have to go below your asking price, but your asking price will have to be a lot lower to be a market price.
Ask $250K now and get $230K or wait a few years until the market is “improving” and ask $160K and get $165K. Which would you choose?
MORTGAGE RATES CONTINUING FREE FALL HOUSING MARKET IS REAPING BENEFITS
Published on March 6, 1993, Page E10, Article 1 of 1 found, 352 words.
** It’s a simple recipe: Add lower mortgage rates to a big supply of unsold houses, and the housing market starts heating up.
Lenders in the Sacramento area said Friday that the recent decline in fixed-rate mortgages to a 20-year low is drawing in more potential home buyers. Particularly welcome are first-time buyers who have been priced out of the market but are now coming back in.
“Refinancings are reaching the feeding-frenzy level again,”…
So that 1% drop in interest rates somehow makes that $500,000 dollar home more affordable to the guy making $50,000 how? Even at 0% they can’t afford the propped up “median” price houses - this is meaningless until the house prices drop!!
LEHIGH ACRES, Fla.—Joseph Reilly lost his vacation home here last year when he was out of work and stopped paying his mortgage. The bank took the house and sold it. Mr. Reilly thought that was the end of it.
In June, he learned otherwise. A phone call informed him of a court judgment against him for $192,576.71.
It turned out that at a foreclosure sale, his former house fetched less than a quarter of what Mr. Reilly owed on it. His bank sued him for the rest.
The result was a foreclosure hangover that homeowners rarely anticipate but increasingly face: a “deficiency judgment.”
Forty-one states and the District of Columbia permit lenders to sue borrowers for mortgage debt still left after a foreclosure sale. The economics of today’s battered housing market mean that lenders are doing so more and more.
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Investors know that most states allow up to 20 years to try to collect the debts, ample time for the borrowers to get back on their feet. Meanwhile, the debts grow at about an 8% interest rate, depending on the state.
Who exactly is pursuing these deficiency judgments? The original lender, or the secondary market securer? This could become a huge deal in a decade or so.
Say BoA sold a toxic mortgage to Fannie Mae three years ago. Today, BoA forecloses on the squatter FB, and the house is sold in foreclosure.
Who owned the house?
Who gets the foreclosure money?
Who is owed the deficiency judgment?
And most importantly, who is entitled to the 8%?
If BoA/Wells Fargo etc don’t fold entirely, now might be a good time to buy their stock for a retirement fund, if we know that 15-20 years from now they are going to collect 8% interest, compounded over 15-20 years, for doing nothing.
If the loan was sold, the deficiency judgement would be pursued by 1) the bond holders to whom that loan was assigned when it failed, 2) the trust that issued the securities, 3) a servicer acting on behalf of either 1) or 2). If the loan wasn’t sold, then the original lender could be the one purusing it - but I don’t think you are going to see too many of those.
Also, if a federal agency or private insurance company was on the hook to guarantee the loan, it might be the one pursuing the deficiency judgement.
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Comment by cactus
2011-10-03 13:18:18
maybe the loan will be sold to a type of company that doesn’t do well with ” no I can’t pay”
Some kind of organized crime collection agency
I had “extreme collections” come to my door in Poway looking for the previous renters scary boys
the previous renters one was a cop I told them that they didn’t seem to care they just sorta launghed
their card said “extreme collections” debt doesn’t die unless you go bankrupt and even then ?
Awesome. FBs should have to share the pain when they walk away from their “investments.” Taxpayers should not be on the hook to make good bank losses on real estate, especially on vacation homes or “investment properties.” FBs might make greater efforts to keep up their properties and work with banks on short sales if they face such deficiency judgements once they walk away.
The banks decide whether or not to grant a short sale; maybe they also need to work with the FBs.
Mom made an offer on a “short sale”; only to learn that although FB and his listing agent were on board with a short sale, the bank was not.
The bank did not want to play so the offer was ignored; even though it was in line with recently solds, and proportionately more than recent properties bought out of foreclosure.
The bank apparently decided not to entertain a short sale. They did come around eventually, but by that time, tenants brought in by the FB had trashed the house and the offer had to be withdrawn as such. The FB continues to rake rent $$ from his tenant who in three months has rendered this foreclosure-to-be property near valueless.
All because the bank did not wish to give the guy a short sale after he got the whole thing together complete with qualified offer.
See my questions above. If the bank refuses a short sale, and instead gets a deficiency judgment on the difference between the foreclosure sale and the mortgage, then wouldn’t they WANT the house to fall in and sell for next to nothing? That would give them the highest deficiency judgement possible.
Then, they can wait 15-20 years as that high deficiency judgment accrues 8% interest, and then suddenly swoop in and collect the judgment. Or worse yet, just put that collectible judgment on their balance sheet as an asset, wheter they swoop in to collect it or not.
Nice racket!!!!! (please tell me I’m wrong…)
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Comment by The_Overdog
2011-10-03 08:26:45
Then, they can wait 15-20 years as that high deficiency judgment accrues 8% interest, and then suddenly swoop in and collect the judgment. Or worse yet, just put that collectible judgment on their balance sheet as an asset, wheter they swoop in to collect it or not.
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I don’t think the interest can start accruing until they tell the borrower about their intentions (it may be as lame a ‘tell’ as posting it on the courthouse door ala a summons) to collect a deficiency judgement, but other than that it sounds correct. I would think they can hold off for some portion of the 20 years before telling the borrower and starting the clock if they feel like it.
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-03 08:46:22
There could easily (and probably WILL) be 3 more recessions over the next 20 years. Not a wise strategy by the banks.
Comment by polly
2011-10-03 09:25:41
And the accounting rules for deficiency judgements are different than the ones for originating loans. They will have to convince an auditor that the deficiency is likely to be collectible before they can count it as a firm asset on their books.
Besides, the bank probably didn’t own the loan. Find out what their fee is for pursuing the deficiency judgement on behalf of whoever did own or guarantee it, to figure out the motivations.
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-10-03 12:41:47
“Nice racket!!!!! (please tell me I’m wrong…)”
You’re wrong.
“If the bank refuses a short sale, and instead gets a deficiency judgment on the difference between the foreclosure sale and the mortgage, then wouldn’t they WANT the house to fall in and sell for next to nothing? That would give them the highest deficiency judgement possible.”
They don’t want to maximize the deficiency judgement. Most of those will be sold to debt-collectors for 5 to 10-cents on the dollar.
Their motivation should be to minimize their losses, which would be achieved by a higher sales price.
The biggest problem with short-sales is the inherent conflict between the various parties splitting up the sales prices—e.g. first and second lien holders. If they cannot come to terms, then the most sensible course of action for the first lien-holder is to complete the foreclosure, since that wipes out the second lien-holder.
Unless he has other assets. The post doesn’t state how old Mr. Reilly is, but if this is his second home then he may have equity in his primary residence or possibly some stock holdings.
The simpletons who couldn’t take the time to actually read what was in their mortgage, are going to be “surprised” that they are “unexpectedly” (there’s that word again) going to be slammed with deficiency judgements, or 1099ed for the forgiven debt.
They WILL get to pay for their “free house” eventually. Too much money and the bank’s solvency are at stake. The government lets them off the hook for illegal actions, what makes anyone think that the FBers are going to get a pass when the law is actually on the banksters side?
Being hounded continuously by collection agencies is not the way I’d want to spend the next 20 years. Better them than me. Of course, when the word gets out on this, it will just become another disincentive to buy.
Fearless forecast: Before this is over, in some places houses will be given away, because their liabilities will greatly exceed the benefit of owning one.
Oct. 3 (Bloomberg) — U.K. house prices fell for a fifth month in September and the pace of the decline may accelerate in the coming months, property researcher Hometrack Ltd. said.
The average cost of a home slipped 0.1 percent from August and was down 3.5 percent from a year earlier, the London-based company said today in an e-mailed report on its monthly survey of real-estate agents. Prices based on Hometrack’s measure have fallen in every month but one since July 2010.
Nationwide Building Society said last week that downside risks to Britain’s property market have increased as Europe’s debt crisis undermines confidence and global growth prospects weaken. Almost a third of economists in a Bloomberg News survey say the Bank of England will restart its asset-purchase program this week to support a faltering recovery.
“Events in the euro zone, together with pressures on the domestic economy and household incomes are clearly taking their toll on consumer confidence,” Richard Donnell, Hometrack’s director of research, said in a statement. “We expect demand to continue to slip back” and see “a likely acceleration in the level of monthly price falls over the final quarter.”
New property listings rose 22 percent in the nine months through September, double the pace of demand growth, Hometrack said. On the month, new buyers registering with real-estate agents fell 2.6 percent from August.
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A shift in the balance between supply and demand is beginning to emerge in the housing market with September seeing the number of buyers fall for the second month in a row.
Sold sign to go with story on outlook for house prices
3 October, 2011
This is in contrast to the first half of the year when demand had been steadily rising, according to the latest house price survey from Hometrack.
On the supply side, the number of new properties coming to the market in the 9 months up until
September, grew by 22%, compared to an 11% increase in demand.
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Occupy Wall Street protesters carry on in Zuccotti Park, the New York plaza where hundreds have gathered since last month. Similar protests have taken place across the nation.
New York –
Protesters who have been camping out in Manhattan’s Financial District say their movement has grown and become more organized, and they have no intention of stopping following another weekend of mass arrests.
The Occupy Wall Street demonstration started out small last month, with less than a dozen college students spending days and nights in Zuccotti Park, a private plaza off Broadway. It has grown sizably, however, both in New York City and elsewhere as people in other communities across the country display their solidarity in similar protests.
The event has drawn demonstrators of diverse ages and occupations who are speaking out against corporate greed, social inequality, global climate change and other concerns.
Kira Moyer-Sims, 19, of Portland, Ore., said protesters have become more disciplined since the rally began. “We have a protocol for most things,” she said, including what to do when people are arrested in terms of getting legal help.
On Sunday, a group of New York public school teachers sat in the plaza, including Denise Martinez, 47, a Brooklyn school teacher.
“The bottom line is the feeling that the financial industries here on Wall Street have caused the economic problems, and they’re not contributing their fair share to solving them,” she said of her reasons for camping out Sunday.
Another voice Sunday belonged to Jackie Fellner, 32, a marketing manager from Westchester County.
“We’re not here to take down Wall Street. It’s not poor against rich. It’s about big money dictating which politicians get elected and what programs get funded,” she said.
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The Occupy Wall Street demonstration started out small last month, with less than a dozen college students spending days and nights in Zuccotti Park, a private plaza off Broadway. It has grown sizably, however, both in New York City and elsewhere as people in other communities across the country display their solidarity in similar protests.
“Organizers of a protest slated to take place on Toronto’s Bay Street later this month say they’re following in the footsteps of American activists who have stormed Wall Street in New York and other U.S. cities in a rally against the global financial system.”
“Canadian protests are also being arranged in Calgary, Vancouver, Victoria, Ottawa, Montreal, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, according to another website, Occupy Together.”
One woman interviewed by Kokesh also announces her intention to help Obama to capture a second term. How can a self-proclaimed Occupy Wall Street protester simultaneously support the man whose 2008 campaign was bankrolled by Wall Street, whose 2012 campaign is reliant on Wall Street to an even greater extent, and whose cabinet was filled with Wall Street operatives?
But she is consistent. Totalitarian Government and reelecting Obama, do go together. The banksters are upset that people want action on China currency manipulation, illegal immigration that drives down wages etc. Obama will not address China and is stopping his modest efforts to restrain illegal immigration. Just minor efforts to restrain illegal immigration have proven too effective in a poor economy. Time to do away with elections.
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-03 08:54:58
Speaking of illegal immigraiton, did anyone notice that Perry has been “persuaded” to lay off that issue as well?
“Pursuaded” as in he will not talk about it nor bring it up and deflects as much as possible if asked about it.
Comment by Montana
2011-10-03 10:17:56
I didn’t think he wanted to talk about it anyway, since his position doesn’t help him much with Republican voters.
Go read the article that CT posted. Even Rush Limbaugh would be proud of the high talking point:text ratio and sheer purity of inflammatory phrasology. They can’t go a paragraph without mentioning George Soros. Who are they gonna attack when Ol’ George leaves this mortal coil?
They do have one thing right — re-electing Obama isn’t going to do much good, if Ben Bernanke can single-handedly truck in $180 BILLION dollars to AIG, and if Congress can still filibuster everything.
Comment by Michael Viking
2011-10-03 09:24:38
They can’t go a paragraph without mentioning George Soros.
Who’s they? I see plenty of people going on and on about “Kochtopus”. Who are “they” going to attack when the “Kochtopus” leaves this mortal coil?
It’s laughable how many planks there are to go around for people’s eyes.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-03 09:57:40
The difference between the Kochtopus and George Soros is that the Kochtopus funds, very quietly, all sorts of supposedly grass-roots organizations here in the US that present themselves as the ‘little people’ rising up, but are actually well-funded by the Koch brothers and agree with and advance the Koch brothers’ commercial interests.
Soros openly funds some organizations that do stuff like advance women’s rights and encourage democracy in the third world, which has no effect on Soros’ wealth or commercial interests, but that’s enough for the right to claim that he’s behind the socialist takeover of the world, and to make him their favorite bogeyman.
In short, Soros is the classic right-wing bogeyman, a scary oppositional figure that is supposedly guilty of the very things that the right is actually guilty of: Directing the soft thinking of their followers in an illogical and counter-productive direction, but one that benefits those doing the directing, and doing it all from behind the facade of supposedly-indpendent movements and organizations.
Comment by Michael Viking
2011-10-03 10:26:34
Koch vs. Soros
Democrats vs Republicans
Liberals vs. Conservatives
Muslim vs. Christian
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They’re all “religions” with religious followers that think they have the hold on truth and everybody else is stupid.
Comment by unc
2011-10-03 10:48:11
Soros makes his money shorting the economies(like England) of
countries that are in trouble financially. He then funds left
wing kooks to cause more chaos throughout the world. Boy
have you been duped “alpha sloth”.
Comment by michael
2011-10-03 10:54:53
the notion that corruption is some bound by political affiliation is absurd.
the best thing the devil ever did was to convince everyone he didn’t exist.
Comment by michael
2011-10-03 10:55:54
some = somehow
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-03 13:55:53
Oh dear god they were right- Soros really is behind these protests. He’s the devil himself, I tells ya!
George Soros’ sympathy for Wall Street protesters
BBC
Billionaire investor George Soros says he can sympathise with the ongoing protests on Wall Street, which have spread to other US cities.
He said he understood the anger at the use of taxpayers’ cash to prop up stricken banks, allowing them to earn huge profits.
More than 700 protesters were arrested on Saturday on
Answering questions during a news conference at UN headquarters, Mr Soros said: “The decision not to inject capital into the banks, but to effectively relieve them of their bad assets and then allow them to earn their way out of a hole leaves the banks bumper profits and then allows them to pay bumper bonuses.”
Mr Soros was announcing a gift of $40m (£26m) to a development project in Africa.
Comment by unc
2011-10-03 17:48:53
Even John Gotti handed out goodies in the neighborhood
to show what a “benevolent” man he was.
I’m OK with the antiobama sentiment, but really we are no where near totalitarian rule. It’s laughable he can’t get congress to do anything and yet you guys think he’s the next Stalin.
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Comment by palmetto
2011-10-03 08:16:55
Yeah? Well, you need to read Paul Craig Roberts’ article “The Day America Died”. I always said that Bu$h Cheney dealt the mortal wound and Obama is the undertaker. Then comes the murder of Alwaki, an American citizen, no due process.
Don’t get me wrong, I am no fan of misogynistic cultures such as Muslims and mestizos and it would do my heart good to see every last one currently in the US repatriated to their own countries. But I do not agree with demonization of people in order to deprive of them of due process and justify murder.
Thus starts totalitarian rule. Any of us can now be moved into the “threat” category and denied due process of the law.
Comment by unc
2011-10-03 09:29:20
The communists have killed more people in recorded
history than any one else, its not suprising that the left
dominated media never reminds people of this fact.
Comment by Pete
2011-10-03 15:49:24
“The communists have killed more people in recorded
history than any one else, its not suprising that the left
dominated media never reminds people of this fact.”
Are you talking about in time of war, killing foreign enemies, etc, or just killing your own people? Just curious where you’re going with this. Because on one hand, “the communists” helped us kill a sh*tload of Nazis in time of war. On the other hand, if you’re only talking about domestic purges…I mean, China has well over a billion people, so of course the death total at the hands of the state will be alot higher than any other country. It’s like saying the USA has more people living in poverty than Romania. It might be true, but it doesn’t mean anything.
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-03 17:22:59
Because on one hand, “the communists” helped us kill a sh*tload of Nazis in time of war.
= the “evil Russian people” Eyes to was feed this “Fear! Fear! Fear!” U$ military Indu$trial Complex “right”-brain propaganda. ;-/
“We’re not here to take down Wall Street. It’s not poor against rich. It’s about big money dictating which politicians get elected and what programs get funded,” she said.
Then why’s she there? She should be in DC protesting. Looks like these protestors are already co-opted by Democratic party machine just like the tea partiers were by Republicans.
Big Money has corrupted and co-opted BOTH parties. And the vegetables who vote en masse for Establishment Republicrat candidates share the blame for perpetrating the status quo.
Because that’s where she lives? Apparently the Kochtopus isn’t providing bus service to this protest movement.
But having just read some of the claptrap on the infowars site, I can see that the usual suspects are being riled up to oppose vehemently the Occupy Wall Street movement. I expect to see Tea Party counter-protests soon.
“The bottom line is the feeling that the financial industries here on Wall Street have caused the economic problems, and they’re not contributing their fair share to solving them,” she said of her reasons for camping out Sunday.
No wonder public schoolkids are such retards with gems like this teaching them. No, Ms. Martinez, the Wall Street sharks ENABLED mass financial greed and irresponsibility, but it was millions of individual FBs and their overblown sense of entitlement who lived beyond their means and took on far more debt than they could prudently afford.
As repugnant as I find Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein, their swindles required willing marks by the million among homebuyers, realtors, appraisers, mortgage lenders, and yes, all those Obama and McCain voters who gave their blessing to limitless Fed bailouts using printed or borrowed money. So let’s spread the blame around just a bit more equitably, shall we, Ms. Martinez?
Remember along time ago I noticed the little airhead chicky poos and gamer guys in Wells fargo mortgage offcies? Well that was my red flag that something was terrible wrong. There was always adults in these jobs before.
The more clueless your front line is, the easier it is to scam people.
swindles required willing marks by the million among homebuyers, realtors, appraisers, mortgage lenders, and yes, all those Obama and McCain voters who gave their blessing to limitless Fed bailouts using printed or borrowed money.
1.I’d say that most were not willing marks, some were greedy, some were afraid if they didn’t buy they’d never be able to again. There was a huge well financed disinformation campaign put on by realtors and banks and msm.
2. I don’t recall Obama running on limitless FED bailouts. His blessing in regard to the FED is meaningless. The FED is not controlled by the president.
3. In regard to realtors, appraisers, mortgage lenders - The Jamie Diamonds of the world implemented an incentive plan and did away with quality control and fired the disgruntled thus guranteeing the outcome they wanted.
–Greece in focus after government says it will miss deficit targets
–Banks take a hammering
–Euro lower against dollar, yen
By Michele Maatouk
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
LONDON (Dow Jones)–European stocks fell sharply Monday, and the euro came under pressure, amid rising concern about the possibility of a Greek default, after the country’s government said Sunday that it will miss its deficit targets this year.
At 0740 GMT, the benchmark Stoxx Europe 600 index was down 2% at 221.76. Frankfurt’s DAX was 3.2% lower at 5327.73, Paris’ CAC-40 index was off 2.4% at 2910.94, and London’s FTSE 100 fell 2% to 5024.43. Bank issues were among the hardest hit, with the Stoxx Europe 600 index for the sector down 2.9% to 129.79.
The Greek cabinet Sunday approved its 2012 draft budget, with cuts of around EUR6.6 billion and gave the green light to plans to cut thousands of public-sector jobs. This came ahead of Monday’s meeting of European finance ministers in Luxembourg to discuss Greece’s progress on reforms.
“We still expect the sixth tranche of the IMF-EU loan to be disbursed in mid October, but the news is bad enough to stir markets in the short run,” said Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets.
The news about Greece heightened fears about the fallout from the euro-zone debt crisis, while doubts over global growth also continued to plague investors, traders said.
There are good reasons to fear the spillovers from the euro-area financial stress, said JPMorgan. “Europe’s sovereign debt crisis threatens regional banking sector stability and building stress on banks is fueling a generalized reduction in global risk appetite,” it said.
“Although the recent loss in global growth momentum has been broad-based, it is the recent sharp weakening in the euro area that stands out. Italy and possibly Spain have joined Portugal and Greece in recession this quarter,” said JPMorgan. It added that a sharp drop in euro-zone area business confidence and in the September PMI composite suggests a region-wide recession is taking hold.
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A man looks at quotation board at the Tokyo Stock Exchange (TSE) in front of a Japanese securities company. Tokyo shares dropped 2.26 per cent on Monday after Greece said it cannot meet deficit targets this year.
Last Updated: 21 hours 41 minutes ago
Asian markets have fallen amidst concerns Greece will lose out on a multi-billion euro bailout as the country says it will miss its deficit target for the year.
Major Asian bourses dropped significantly by Monday afternoon, with Tokyo and Hong Kong stocks slipping 2.26 and 4.95 per cent as Greece refused to meet its deficit target set for it by the IMF and EU.
“It is far from a given that policymakers will succeed in turning the tide in markets in the final quarter of the year,” ANZ Bank senior economist Sharon Zollner told Dow Jones Newswires.
These quarterly losses are the worst the Asian market has seen since the 2008 financial crisis when a trend of investing safer assets over equities developed from fears of global recession. …
PARIS — Stocks started off the final quarter of 2011 on Monday the same way they ended the last one, sinking amid pessimism over Europe’s efforts to contain its sovereign debt problems and fears that a wider economic slowdown could bring a renewed financial crisis.
European markets were down more than 2 percent by mid-morning after Asian stocks closed sharply lower. Standard & Poor’s 500 index futures fell modestly, indicating Wall Street would start Monday on a sour note, as well.
The dollar gained against most other major currencies, as investors moved out of relatively risky assets.
Greece’s acknowledgment over the weekend that it would miss its deficit-reduction targets for this year and next, despite additional cuts in the public payroll, weighed on market sentiment, analysts at the French investment bank Crédit Agricole CIB wrote in a note.
Finance ministers from the 17-nation euro group were to meet Monday night in Luxembourg, but it was unlikely that a decision would be made on whether to release the next tranche of Greece’s bailout package. “Whatever the outcome will be, the confusion and uncertainty will certainly not help calm the market’s volatility,” analysts at Milan-based Mediobanca Securities wrote in another note.
Global equities, tracked by the MSCI world index, are down 14 percent this year, with many major indexes recording their worst quarterly drops over the June-September period since the world’s banks were teetering on the brink in 2008.
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A street vendor cooked corn as taxi drivers protested Greek austerity measures outside Parliament during their two-day strike last week in Athens.
By STEVEN ERLANGER and STEPHEN CASTLE
Published: October 2, 2011
PARIS — Europe’s long, halting struggle with deficits and debt can seem like the agonies of Macbeth: “Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to day, to the last syllable of recorded time.”
The 17 European Union nations that share the euro don’t have that much time, of course, to convince investors that they have a plan to hold the currency together and prevent a run on the Continent’s banks. Some analysts say they have less than five weeks, until the Group of 20 summit meeting in November; others say a bit longer.
But rapid action comes hard to a union that works in increments, with political agreement required at every step.
In the short term, Greece remains the central problem. Two bailouts have not been enough. Greek public debt continues to mount, and so does the pressure on the government to find more revenue and make more cuts. Europe’s strategy, to the extent it can be discerned, is to put off restructuring Greece’s debt as long as possible and build up enough backing for a bailout fund so that banks with large exposure to the sovereign debt of Greece and other troubled euro-zone countries, like Portugal, Ireland, Italy and Spain, can survive an all-but-inevitable Greek default.
But the austerity-driven recession in Greece has made its budget deficit even worse than experts predicted, and the country has not kept all its promises to the “troika” — the European Union, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank — that is keeping Athens afloat. Experts from the troika left Greece a month ago in unofficial disgust; they returned last week only after getting fresh promises of action.
Athens is again at the brink. Without the next tranche of aid from the troika — 8 billion euros — Greece could immediately default. So the troika is playing hardball, trying to force Athens to make crucial structural changes that lenders think will never happen otherwise.
Still, the consequences of a disorderly default are considered so dire that Athens has cards to play, too. A strike by workers at the national statistics bureau has made it difficult to get up-to-date fiscal data. The government has said it faces default by mid-October without the aid, but “we think they were exaggerating deliberately to put pressure on us,” a senior European official said.
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NEW YORK, Sept 9 (Reuters Breakingviews) - Subprime is the crisis that keeps on giving. Mortgages made to mostly American borrowers with questionable credit histories helped sink well-established financial firms like Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and Countrywide some three years ago. They’re now threatening the viability of the survivors, like Merrill and Countrywide’s new owner Bank of America, with their second wind in the courts.
Unpacking the lawsuits can be as confusing as the subprime securities themselves. The legal entanglements not only involve countless plaintiffs, defendants, jurisdictions and prosecutors, but they envelope each link of the modern mortgage-lending chain. The Federal Housing Finance Agency suit filed last week against 17 banks is just the latest in a long line of high-profile cases that have hammered bank stocks.
Herewith, Breakingviews offers a cheat sheet of sorts on four of the biggest cases that investors in the financial industry will need to watch:
1) Foreclosuregate - Attorneys general from the 50 states want mortgage servicers like Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo to pay upward of $20 billion among them for incompetence, or worse, in the banks’ back offices. The case is rooted in accusations that banks may have wrongly foreclosed on homeowners without adequately completing and reviewing pertinent paper work.
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2) The FHFA hunt - The nearly $200 billion of suspect mortgage-backed securities certainly caught investors’ eyes when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s regulator filed its lawsuit against 17 financial institutions. But how much the FHFA actually suffered in losses — and will request in damages — is still unclear. The FHFA says the banks, which include BofA, JPMorgan and RBS, allegedly misrepresented facts about the mortgage bonds they sold to Fannie and Freddie.
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3) An insurer’s wrath - AIG has its sights on BofA. The insurer, whose own collapse in 2008 led to a $180 billion-plus government bailout, claims that it was defrauded in connection with the mortgage bonds it bought.
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AIG is also considering litigation against other financial institutions that may have misrepresented the risk of the mortgage bonds they sold.
4) The not-so-done deal - BofA looked like it had one big suit sewn up. In June, it reached a tentative $8.5 billion settlement with institutional investors, including PIMCO, BlackRock and the Federal Reserve, on home loans that violated representations and warranties about a borrowers’ creditworthiness.
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But some investors are contesting the settlement, and New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman is investigating whether the deal shortchanges investors.
The good news is that settlements in these cases would at least give shareholders something to work with when trying to figure out just how much an individual bank stands to lose. But more lawsuits could be in the works. With roughly $1.1 trillion of risky mortgage bonds still outstanding, there are sure to be plenty of disgruntled investors contemplating whether they should take their complaints to the courts. Shareholders will have to decide whether the legal limbo is worth the risk.
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I have a better idea. Let’s beat on all of them, relentlessly, and keep voting all of them out of office, evey chance that we get, until the madness stops.
Beating on them all sounds good in principle. But sometimes its best to go after the biggest problem first, given minimal resources and all that. Of course if its a bankster you might not be allowed to beat on him at all, so it’s easier to beat up a smaller fish like Solyndra.
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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-10-03 11:08:35
No, the principal targets must be the people in that marble building with the dome in D.C. Occupy or picket their offices, both in D.C. and back in their home districts. Print and hand out the list of “campaign contributors” from opensecrets.org to passers-by. Forward such lists to all the locals in your email address book (I have).
If a fat cat paid off a judge to get his case adjudicated in his favor, would you give the judge a pass? IMO the judge, being in a position of trust, is far more evil than the fat cat. Same with CONgresscritters.
The 100% bailout of the AIG CDS counterparties was, IMHO, the worst of the governement bailouts. By far. Even if you accept that some people really didn’t know what they were doing, the very idea that Goldman Sachs didn’t understand that it was subjecting itself to counterpary risk is so absurd that it make the dancing hippos portion of Fantasia look like an episode of Wild Kingdom. And I don’t even accept that the folks that didn’t understand should have been bailed out. They should have lost what they lost and then tried to sue the people who sold them something without making it clear what they were buying. There might have been a securities law violation in there somewhere that would have let them recover a bit. But GS and the others who knew exactly what they were getting? Nothing.
Oh, and the big players didn’t have to buy the credit default swaps. They could have just sold the securities they held that they (belated) realized were toxic waste. But that would have sent a signal to the market and caused the price to fall and you can’t have that if you are GS and need to sell a LOT of toxic waste. The CDSs aren’t traded on an exchange so their desire to get out of the risk exposure was hidden by doing through the swaps instead of just selling the bonds for whatever the market would bear.
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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-10-03 11:32:15
“But that would have sent a signal to the market and caused the price to fall and you can’t have that if you are GS and need to sell a LOT of toxic waste. The CDSs aren’t traded on an exchange so their desire to get out of the risk exposure was hidden by doing through the swaps instead of just selling the bonds for whatever the market would bear.”
Well said, polly. This is one of the reasons that I believe that “dark pools” and all off-exchange trading should be banned.
All trading should be done in public view. Transparency helps markets with the task of price discovery.
Comment by cactus
2011-10-03 13:40:01
The 100% bailout of the AIG CDS counterparties was, IMHO, the worst of the governement bailouts. ”
yes I agree not all insurance is a guarentee esp. if you knew it was going to have to pay off because you were gaming the system
would insurance pay me off if I bought it for a house and then piled brush around during fire season ?
Another reason not to buy: Homeownership leads to major depression.
Op-Ed Contributors Foreclosures Are Killing Us By CRAIG E. POLLACK and JULIA F. LYNCH
Published: October 2, 2011
AFTER slowing down in the first half of the year, the rate of homes entering foreclosure is rising again. First-time default notices were served on 78,000 homes in August, a 33 percent increase from July. A $1 billion federal program to help jobless and underemployed homeowners ended Friday. Foreclosure notices were filed against a record 2.9 million properties last year, and an additional 1.2 million in the first half of this year.
Foreclosure is not just a metaphorical epidemic, but a bona fide public health crisis. When breadwinners become ill, they miss work, lose their jobs, face daunting medical bills — and have trouble making mortgage payments as a result.
But that is only part of the story. A growing body of research shows that foreclosure itself harms the health of families and communities. In our 2008 survey of 250 people undergoing foreclosure in the Philadelphia area, 32 percent reported missing doctor’s appointments and 48 percent said they let prescriptions go unfilled, significantly higher rates than others in their community. A paper released last month by the National Bureau of Economic Research found that people living in high-foreclosure areas in New Jersey, Arizona, California and Florida were significantly more likely than those in less hard-hit neighborhoods to be hospitalized for conditions like diabetes, high blood pressure and heart failure.
More than one-third of homeowners in our study had symptoms of major depression. The N.B.E.R. study found significantly more suicide attempts in high-foreclosure neighborhoods. For every 100 foreclosures, it found a 12 percent increase in anxiety-related emergency-room visits and hospitalizations by adults under 50. Losing a home disrupts social ties to neighbors, schools, jobs and health care providers — ties that under better circumstances promote good health. Neighborhoods suffer, not just homeowners.
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More than one-third of homeowners in our study had symptoms of major depression ??
Ya think ?? And are the policies helping or hurting them ?? I submit that the policies are making it far worse for these people by dragging it out for so long…Just letting people “stew” in all the stress…
September 30, 2011 12:38 am
New US mortgage delinquencies surge
By Shahien Nasiripour in New York
New US mortgage delinquencies soared in the last quarter as foreclosures increased and banks offered fewer loan modifications to help distressed borrowers, according to a new government report.
The number of homeowners a month behind on their obligations surged nearly 17 per cent, quarter-on-quarter, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency said on Thursday.
The increase was in part due to seasonal factors as delinquency rates typically rise from the start of the year through June, OCC officials said. A similar jump occurred last year, on a small scale.
High unemployment also seemed to play a role. In addition to an increase in delinquencies among homeowners with sub par credit histories, those with sterling credit also fell behind.
“That suggests some economic factor,” said Joseph Evers, deputy comptroller for large banks. “That’s probably the striking thing in this report”.
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Compounding fears was a 2.5 per cent quarterly increase in borrowers at least 60 days late or in bankruptcy, the first time the number of seriously delinquent homeowners rose since 2009.
Loan modifications fell 18 per cent quarter over quarter, according to the report, which tracked loans serviced by nine companies which handle about 63 per cent of all first-lien mortgages. Officials said many homeowners who were significantly behind on their payments have probably already been evaluated for loan restructuring.
Home seizures and forfeitures slightly climbed in the second quarter, evidence that mortgage servicers will probably begin repossessing homes at higher rates. Banks say they have fixed the deficient processes that produced scandals such as so-called “robosigning”, where employees signed off on foreclosure documents en masse without reviewing the requisite paperwork.
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Palm Beach County’s surplus of empty homes creates unexpected market
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:25 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 1, 2011
WELLINGTON — The lakefront home on Crown Point in Wellington once was leased to the polo set as a seasonal rental for the well-heeled followers of the sport of kings.
With fewer pony-loving transients arriving during the economic slump, the nearly 3,000-square-foot home is now being marketed to tenants whose heels are more humble - those with Section 8 housing vouchers from the government.
The housing bust has been a boon for low-income families who receive the federal rental subsidy as a glut of homes - sometimes with pools, sometimes in gated communities - weighs heavily on the market.
Home buyers caught in real estate’s free fall and landlords buying up nearly new properties at foreclosure auctions are eager for tenants whose government rent is electronically delivered each month.
“Guaranteed rent is guaranteed rent,” said Reggie Williams, who manages several rental homes, including the one on Crown Point. “I’ve had very good experiences with Section 8.”
Government-subsidized housing began during the Great Depression with Section 8 of the U.S. Housing Act of 1937 outlining the rules. For years, market forces steered tenants to apartments and homes in less desirable neighborhoods.
But the Great Recession has turned the tables. Now, Section 8 options include homes with five bedrooms, new appliances and two-car garages.
About 6,600 families in West Palm Beach, Delray Beach and their surrounding unincorporated areas receive Section 8 vouchers. The monthly rent subsidy for local homes is as high as $2,109 for a five-bedroom, three-bathroom home in a suburban Lake Worth gated community. But stipends for less than $100 are also doled out. The average voucher amount from the West Palm Beach Housing Authority is about $900. Delray Beach Housing Authority stipends average about $860.
The amount awarded is based on a family’s size and the median family income for the area. In Palm Beach County, a family of four cannot exceed an annual income of $36,700 to receive a voucher. For a family of six, the income limit is $42,600.
A family receiving a voucher is expected to pay 30 percent of its monthly adjusted income for rent and utilities.
With more variety to choose from, landlords say, Section 8 tenants can be more selective.
“They’re looking for new kitchens, granite countertops, stainless steel,” said Andy Pollack, who manages rental properties including several that he rents to families with Section 8 vouchers.
“Guaranteed rent is guaranteed rent,” said Reggie Williams, who manages several rental homes, including the one on Crown Point. “I’ve had very good experiences with Section 8.”
Section 8 is great for landlords. Not so great for the neighbors…
But the Great Recession has turned the tables. Now, Section 8 options include homes with five bedrooms, new appliances and two-car garages.
How would you like to be the person next door working 50 hours/week in job you hate just barely getting by…
Actually, I am one those working in a complex filled with — well I don’t know if they’re Section 8’s, but I can’t imagine them being able to afford the rent unless they are doubling up or receiving some form of assistance.
MoCo has a similar program to section 8. My friends are still waiting to see if they get approved. I lived next to someone in the program in my last building. She was a little odd and had almost no furniture, but was a perfectly nice person.
The most unkempt house in my neighborhood is owned by a single woman in her 50s who drives a Subaru and has a pet Afghan hound. All the window shades are always down, the shrubs haven’t been trimmed since forever, the paint is peeling and the driveway is crumbled. It’s downright creepy. And I doubt she is section 8.
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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-03 12:03:27
Same here.
There’s a guy down the street and around the corner who, shall we say, is a bit odd. He walks everywhere and is quite friendly when you meet him on the street.
But his house? Yeesh. Place needs major repairs. Landscaping needs work. And so and so on.
I was talking with one of my neighbors about him this past Saturday. He told me that the guy is some sort of religious fanatic, and that may be so. I haven’t seen any evidence of that.
But, from what I can see from here, I suspect that there’s some sort of mental issue going on.
But he’s been in the nabe for a long time, and ISTR hearing that he owns his house.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-03 14:48:47
“The most unkempt house in my neighborhood is owned by a single woman in her 50s…. And I doubt she is section 8.
Section 8 holds landlords to a higher standard as far as maintenance of their properties goes- one of the reasons some landlords don’t accept Section 8 applicants, which the landlords are free to do, if they so choose.
“How would you like to be the person next door working 50 hours/week in job you hate just barely getting by…”
Especially when that person figures out they bailed out the bank that”s keeping that house off the market, they’re paying that absentee landlords share of the homeowners association fees, as well as the rent for the “victims” next door- anyone else see trouble boilng in that pot? Especially when the “victims” start moving in other “victims” wholesale so they can collect rent from them? I’ve lived that dream out in California…..
“They’re looking for new kitchens, granite countertops, stainless steel,” said Andy Pollack, who manages rental properties including several that he rents to families with Section 8 vouchers.
Yes - but I am a kooky “cut government to live within it means” and make “people pay for their own stuff” right-wing conservative so I thought I was alone…
“Wow — Section 8 homes with swimming pools in gated communities.”
I see you haven’t been to Vallejo, CA. I used to repo cars from behind these gated places. The gates also served to slow the police patrols. Late evenings around these places resembled a farmer’s market, drugs and girls fo’sale.
In our area, a lot of developers needed to turn to sec 8 to cover their nut because their nice new properties built during the down side of the bubble were not selling or rental empty. It’s strange to see happening here, actually. Many are fooled to think my area is Shangri-La.
good grief ppl. - lets bring out the pitch forks and the torches - these no good sec. 8 tenants and their landlord accomplices are living the good life - while WE the average slobs are toiling in the fields..
please take a breather - i somehow thoughts the folks hanging at the HBB were a little better.
1st off - we should be thankful that we live in a country that has some sorrta safety net for the poor and improvised - have you been to a 3rd world country lately. And please don’t give me the spiel about any body can make it if they try harder - no they can’t if the system is setup so the house wins every time..
ok, where was I? - yeah about section 8. Here’s the lowdown on how this works - and of course there are always ppl. who’ll milk the system - and for them we have the housing administrators (yes, gov. employees) who must keep them honest, but wait we don’t like such gov. employees. - we pour scorn on them and then wonder how come no one wants to run the government - nice catch 20/20 don’t ya think.
ok, so 1st for a family to get onto sec. 8 they have to file a application and wait in a long long line. Once they get in, they have to show they are looking for work and being honest. If they find work they have to pay part of the rent and stay honest, i.e employer verification, house inspections, etc.
for landlords, they have to comply with an inspection list and get only 2 chances to bring the place up to code. Did i mention the inspection is yearly. And they only get the market rental rate of the unit - the housing authority isn’t stupid - they are not writing checks for $2000 for a 1000sq. ft. shack in the ghetto. That 5 bedroom $2,109 rent is probably the market rate for a $500,000 house - so its no gravy train.
As far as sec. 8 tenants not keeping up the house - well rest assured there is a HOA keeping a close eye on the mandated height of the grass in the front lawn - what? you say you don’t have a HOA - well there is always the city neighborhood division that will be more than happy to post a nice letter on the front door - make sure 5 of your neighbor place a call.
ok, so what i’m getting too— maybe we should save our anger, disgust and hyper-ventilation for the group that is really bend on shoving us back to a 3rd world status by mortgaging the h3ll out of our kid’s future, and stop this bickering partisanship..
whew!– i feel much better - thanks for listening/reading.
The central bank will create more mortgage demand as interest rates fall, and credit standards may suffer
By now, you’ve probably already heard about the Federal Reserve’s “Operation Twist.” That’s the program through which the central bank hopes to push down longer-term interest rates. But in their September meeting they announced another policy changes that is arguably just as important. The Fed will begin reinvesting the maturing principal from their mortgage securities in new government-backed mortgage-backed securities. This could have a very significant effect on the housing market — but not all good.
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For the past 25 years, it’s been bubble/bust. With increasing debt. This is the only game the government knows. It’s been masking a hidden rot, as Krugman put it, the “hollowing out” of the American economy.
The net result of these boom bust cycles is that wealth is transferred from the outsiders to the insiders, on top of the growing structural weakness of the American jobs picture.
But - when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
This recurring idea of top-down intervention in private contracts never grows old, does it? Who would get summarily screwed in order to pay for this proposed panacea?
(Reuters) - More than three years after the financial crisis struck, the U.S. economy remains stuck in a consumer debt trap.
It’s a situation that could take years to correct itself. That’s why some economists are calling for a radical step: massive debt relief. Federal policy makers, they suggest, should broker what amounts to an out-of-court settlement between institutional bond investors, banks and consumer advocates - essentially, a “great haircut” to jumpstart the economy.
What some are envisioning is a negotiated process in which cash-strapped homeowners get real mortgage relief, even if it means forcing banks to incur severe write-downs and bond investors to absorb haircuts, or losses, in some of the securities sold by those institutions.
“We’ve put this off for too long,” said L. Randall Wray, a professor of economics at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. “We need debt relief and jobs and until we get these two things, I think recovery is impossible.”
The bailout of the nation’s banks, a nearly trillion dollar stimulus package and an array of programs by the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates near zero may have stopped the economy from falling into the abyss. But none of those measures have fixed the underlying problem of too much U.S. consumer debt.
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No joke! I suggest the economists who keep proposing this idea over and over start by volunteering to throw in their own accumulated wealth and future incomes to help pay for the proposed “haircut”…
It ain’t gonna happen. The banksters intend to extract every penny they can from you and millions of others with their usurous 20%+ credit card interest rates.
Their mega bonuses have to come out of somewhere, you know.
“But none of those measures have fixed the underlying problem of too much U.S. consumer debt.”
Hard to argue with that. The question is, do the bond holders want their write-downs negotiated in advance, or imposed on them by a bankruptcy court. Either way they’re getting that haircut.
Americans are so dependent on their CCs that many will pay the CC bill before they pay the mortgage. Going BK and cutting up the CCs makes sense, but to many people a life without plastic is just inconceivable if not outright scary.
We already have debt relief. It’s called bankruptcy. The laws and process are all figured out, lawyers are in place and everything. Make ‘em declare BK, throw ‘em out of the house, let ‘em rent, give ‘em a job, start ‘em over at 0 and work their way up.
Anything else just screws the responsible folks, like HBB.
If we are going to get debt relief let’s make it fair. I don’t own a house but I go out and buy a house with good credit and a new loan and the government at closing then gives me a $100k instant rebate applied directly to the loan.
If we are going to get debt relief let’s make it fair?
Good luck with that….The system that we have in place has winners and losers…You need to be at the top or at the bottom…If your in the middle youve probably lost…
Just look at the article regarding Sec.#8 housing…Its disgusting really…The housing voucher makes rental housing more expensive and is a enabler…
My sisters God-Mother’s daughter has been on Sec.#8 and other income assistance her entire life…She’s 48 years old…She’s never worked…
The root cause is the trade imbalances that created the debt in the first place.
Trade imbalances do not persist long-term. They can only exist if the party with the trade deficit is burning savings or going into debt. Eventually, the savings runs out or the debt reaches max level and then collapses.
We’re still just focusing on how to get the debt engine pumping again.
We need to directly and agressively attack the trade imbalances.
We need massive tariff on money leaving the country, a return to a 1950s style tax structure with a tiny payroll tax and a very steep income tax, and we need more jobs with better wages.
We do NOT need to kickstart the debt engine again.
You’ll know that they are serious about kick starting the debt engine when the CC credit lines suddenly increase and even those with credit “problems” (say a BK) are suddenly offered CC’s with large credit lines.
Greece is like the J6P who pays the CCs before taking care of needs. He’s terrified of losing his credit. But Greece is also like the J6P who keeps getting new CCs and uses them to pay the monthly minimums on the ones he already has. The end result is inevitable: default.
Which is 30,000 fewer people spending money and paying taxes, which means a deeper recession and falling tax revenues.
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Comment by Dave of the North
2011-10-03 13:03:58
Theya re going to have the austerity either way - if they default and repudiate their debt, they will live within their means because they’ll be a pariah in the debt market for while. Their lifestyle will have to contract to meet what their economy can produce. In other words, the pickin’s will be mighty thin for a while.
On the current path, they are imposing auterity on themselves while trying to keep the loan money flowing in. The end result is that the pickin’s will be mighty thin for a while…
A pedestrian passes in front of Standard & Poor’s Financial Services LLC in New York, U.S. S&P 500 profits fell an average of 12 percent on a yearly basis in the nine recessions since the 1950s, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Photographer: Scott Eells/Bloomberg
The rout that erased $2.9 trillion from U.S. equities has pushed valuations in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index 25 percent below the average level from the last nine recessions, even as profit estimates fall.
Companies in the benchmark gauge for American equities trade at 10.2 times 2012 forecast earnings, compared with the average in economic contractions since 1957 of 13.7, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. At the same time, analysts have cut projections for profits next year by 2.6 percent to $110.78 a share, the biggest eight-week drop since 2009, the data show.
Bears say analysts have just started paring earnings estimates and that shares will prove expensive when gross domestic product shrinks. Bulls say stock prices have fallen so much that even should earnings fail to increase in 2012, equities are inexpensive.
“What you’re seeing is a growth scare,” Wayne Lin, a money manager at Baltimore-based Legg Mason Inc., said in a telephone interview on Sept. 29. His firm oversaw $643 billion as of Aug. 31. “The question is, how much of that is priced in. I’d say that if we don’t have a double-dip recession, if earnings just stay flat, these valuations are reasonable. The market already expects those downgrades.”
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Traditional valuations placed bargain stocks at PEs of 7 or lower, with healthy and dependable dividends. Bring it on! The sooner our Ponzi economy corrects back to sanity, the better.
The “E” is troublesome. Projected future Earnings based on accounting fraud and surefire recovery in the next quarter forecasts by Fat Cats who will suck any earnings up as bonuses and buyouts. If it were Price/Sustainable Dividend <8, then we’d have something interesting.
As of this morning HP’s P/E is 5.3, and they make a steady $9 billion profit per year.
I read an intersting article about Oracle possibly doing a hostile takeover of HP. The conclusion was that Oracle was only interested in the server and storage group (Oracle’s not interested in printers and is definitely not interested in PCs), so it probably won’t happen unless HP’s stock falls even more in price.
As Texas governor, Rick Perry spent tens of millions in taxpayer money to lure some of the nation’s leading mortgage companies to expand their business in his state, calling it a national model for creating jobs. But the plan backfired.
Just as the largest banks began receiving public cash, they aggressively ramped up risky lending. Within four years, the banks were out of business and homeowners across Texas faced foreclosure. In the end, the state paid $35 million to subsidize it.
An Associated Press review of federal mortgage data, court filings and public statements found that Perry downplayed early warnings of an impending mortgage crisis as alarmist. That’s even as Perry’s own attorney general would later investigate whether Countywide Financial Corp. encouraged homeowners to borrow more than they could afford.
As Perry offered $20 million in grants to Countrywide and $15 million to Washington Mutual Inc. — each blamed for having a major role in one of the country’s most serious recessions — he took in tens of thousands of their dollars for his gubernatorial campaign.
Perry, a Republican candidate for the White House, did what any governor would want to do: bring in jobs for his state. He also supported a cap on how much consumers could borrow against their homes, which experts credit for softening the blow of the mortgage crisis in Texas: by the end of 2008, more than 22 states had a greater percentage of foreclosures.
Yet Perry didn’t appear to recognize that the industry his administration had subsidized was damaging the national economy.
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LOL LOL LOL, I just went to check my email and in the newsmakers section they had a photo of Rick Perry with a caption about the racial slur issue. AND THEN, over to the right, where the bots stick the advertising based on key words, was an ad for Dunkin’ Donuts THICK TEXAS TOAST.
I almost pity the plutocrats as they cast about for a pliable but viable “opponent” to keep the Republicrat puppet show interesting and stop the hoi polloi from getting unduly interested in non-housebroken outsiders like Ron Paul.
In Iran, you have to please the mullahs to be even allowed to run for the office of the president. We have essentially the same system here but you have to please the banksters. While it may not be an absolute prohibition with the MSM attacking you and without the bucks you cannot win. The plutocrats want a Romney/Obama race. I predicted that in November of 2008 after the last “election” (really selection). It is so depressing.
If it comes down to that it will be interesting to watch the Protestant Fundy vote. Will they hold their noses and vote for Mormon Romney, or will they bolt? Time will tell.
They will never vote for a Mormon…Catholic maybe but NEVER a Mormon…It fundamentally goes against the heart of their beliefs….”Jesus”..
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-03 08:52:57
Might be great time for Ron Paul to run as an independent. The fundies might shift to him if their other choice is Romney. (Though Romney might try to avert this by picking a fundie as his running mate- Bachmann, maybe?)
Comment by oxide
2011-10-03 08:54:31
You can’t have a beer with Romney even if you wanted to.
They don’t pronounce it “Misery River” fur nothin’…
U.S. NEWS
OCTOBER 3, 2011
Flood Leaves a Trail of Ruin Residents Face Cleanup After Missouri River Inundates Homes, Farms and Roads BY JACK NICAS
FORT PIERRE, S.D.—A summer of record flooding along the Missouri River is leaving a band of destruction—broken roads, drowned farmland and condemned houses—through the nation’s midsection.
The country’s longest river is still flooded near Kansas City, but upstream it has receded into its banks as the Army Corps of Engineers slows its releases of water from six giant reservoirs. Those lakes had filled to capacity in May and then discharged their water at more than twice the record rate from mid-June into September.
In recent weeks, thousands of people in the Dakotas, Nebraska and Iowa have re-entered their waterlogged homes …
They call that a “loan”??? I call it a $50,000 giveway…
End all bailouts (to include wall street). Pay for your own damn house.
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Mortgage help for unemployed disappears
CNN Money | 10/03/11 | Tami Luhby
The federal government can’t even give money away to help the unemployed pay their mortgage.
A $1 billion program to assist the jobless will likely end up spending only half the funds, at most, because so few people met the strict criteria.
The Housing Department, which had to approve the applications for the Emergency Homeowners’ Loan Program by Friday, expects that only 10,000 to 15,000 people will qualify. That’s only a small sliver of the roughly 100,000 who applied.
“No one could have anticipated how difficult the statutory requirements make it to reach homeowners,” said Lemar Wooley, a HUD spokesman.
Those who make the cut are expected to receive between $35,000 and $45,000 in aid, he said.
Many had high hopes for the loan program because it was targeting a segment of delinquent homeowners not being helped by other federal initiatives, such as mortgage modifications.
Teh goog is our friend. I’ve read that there were 12 criteria, here are 5.
“HUD will assist eligible residents of targeted States that do not have substantially similar mortgage relief programs by offering them direct loans, if they meet the following program criteria: (1) Delinquency and likelihood of foreclosure- Applicant must be at least three months delinquent on the first lien monthly mortgage payment 30 days previous to the commencement of the program; (2) Income Eligibility Limit- Applicant’s pre-event income must be equal to or less than 120 percent of the Area Median Income (AMI), as determined by HUD and adjusted for family size; (3) Loss of Household Income –The applicant has incurred a substantial reduction in income as a result of involuntary unemployment or underemployment due to adverse economic conditions, or medical conditions, and is financially unable to make full mortgage payments; (4) Resumption of Mortgage Payments-there is a reasonable prospect that the homeowner will be able to make the adjustments necessary for a full resumption of mortgage payments within 2 years; and (5) Principal Residence- the mortgaged property is the principal residence of the mortgagor (applicant). Program applicants will be assessed to determine if they meet this eligibility criteria. ”
”The Cliffs” ..You have all gotton those slick ads why you should invest a wad of your cash in one of their high -end housing projects. Jim anthony’s name keeps popping up in lawsuits in upstate SC , that they aren’t paying bills . It is only a matter of time till it will collapse , and the lands involved reverts back to the bears .
And the bears could use some of that land. Reading the Western North Carolina threads over at City Data, seems it’s not unusual to find a bear in one’s back yard in the outlying areas of Asheville, or on the hiking paths. The folks say that the bears in that area will pretty much run away if they see a human, unless it’s a mother with cubs, in which case all bets are off. Still, many hikers wear bear bells to warn their ursine neighbors of their approach.
Bear bells are worthless. A ranger at Glacier NP told our hiking group that we should spend our money on bear spray, make noise while on the trail, and learn what to do if a bear is nearby. But forget the bells.
People in this community had to be asked repeatedly to stop stocking their bird feeders as we had a few bears that had taken up permanent residence here. They’re idiots (not the bears). Neither birds nor bears need a handout from us.
Of course we also have foxes, coyotes and the occasional wild boar. They’re scary as they will attack without provocation. Even cars!
Kohr’s claim was that society’s problems were not caused by particular forms of social or economic organisation, but by their size. Socialism, anarchism, capitalism, democracy, monarchy – all could work well on what he called “the human scale”: a scale at which people could play a part in the systems that governed their lives. But once scaled up to the level of modern states, all systems became oppressors. Changing the system, or the ideology that it claimed inspiration from, would not prevent that oppression – as any number of revolutions have shown – because “the problem is not the thing that is big, but bigness itself”.
I’ve seen PTO meetings turn ugly and power plays at chruches.
One of the most striking church memories from my childhood was the day when a parishioner spoke out against the sermon as it was being preached. The parishioner and the rector of the church launched into quite the discussion, which all of us were shocked to witness.
ISTR that the rector didn’t last too much longer in that church.
“They are wooing travelers with enticements such as coupons, beauty pageants, and visa reform.”
Excuse me, what is “visa reform?” I don’t so much mind that the Smithsonian Museums are chock full of Asian tourists, but visa reform sounds like opening the door to another ad hoc immigrant flood.
Case in point: One of my neighbors used to work in a local department store. She did quite a bit of business with people from Mexico, and they had m-o-n-e-y.
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Comment by stewie
2011-10-03 12:44:49
As a south Texan, I can also confirm this. The Mexican nationals who come here to shop are largely the remnants of the Spanish aristocracy from centuries past. Its easy to tell them apart from their Zapatista cousins; the former have all the money. The more things change, well, you know the rest.
Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-03 13:06:25
Its easy to tell them apart from their Zapatista cousins; the former have all the money.
They also tend to be a lot whiter.
Ever notice how whoever wins the Miss Mexico pageant is a lot whiter than your average illegal?
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-03 13:27:01
Ever notice how whoever wins the Miss Mexico pageant is a lot whiter than your average illegal?
That’s also true in Cuba. Even in the Castro era, the lighter skinned people have the most power.
The corporations are upset that the workers they are paying aren’t spending more, now that they can’t just mortgage a future that has already been sold.
“Take-home pay, adjusted for prices, fell 0.3 percent in August, the third decrease in five months, and personal income dropped for the first time in two years, the Commerce Department reported last week. The declines followed news from the Census Bureau that median household income in 2010 fell to $49,445, the lowest in more than a decade, and the poverty rate jumped to 15.1 percent, a 17-year high.”
“Inflation-adjusted weekly earnings have fallen for six consecutive months, dropping 1.8 percent in August from a year earlier, a pace not seen since the 18-month economic slump ended in June 2009.”
That’s the good news for the wealthy and retired. The bad news?
“It’s hard to see where consumers are going to get a lot of wherewithal to sustain strong spending…It’s certainly a concern that, rather than sluggish consumption growth, we see flat or declining consumption.”
now that they can’t just mortgage a future that has already been sold.
Excellent observation. If you kick the can down the road long enough, eventually, you reach the end of the road.
An economic system where the financial sector hold the rest of the economy hostage, while extracting larger and larger amounts of wealth, will eventually collapse.
What Would Keynes Do? Thomas Geoghegan
September 27, 2011 |
This article appeared in the October 17, 2011 edition of The Nation.
After the Obama stimulus seemed to fail, a Washington Post headline gibed: John Maynard Keynes, the GOP’s Latest Whipping Boy. On the left, of course, he’s still our guy, even if, like some “Keynesians,” we have never read a word of Keynes. Some pundits say that in the 2012 presidential election, the real candidates will be Keynes and Friedrich Hayek, the Austrian economist who raged against all forms of state planning (though Hayek liked national health insurance). If that’s the real presidential election, wouldn’t it behoove some of us true believers to ask, in this moment of double-dip despair, “My God, what would Keynes do?”
Why the party needs to have a plan, keep it simple—and do something for the base.
Let the Republicans actually filibuster something, hour after excrutiating hour, in real time. The public won’t like it.
If we consult his writing, the scripture left by Keynes himself, we might be surprised to find that it would be a lot more than “prime the pump”—i.e., just run up the federal debt. For Keynes, the problem would be not just getting people into stores, or even getting employers to hire but getting our plutocracy to invest. It’s not just our jobless rate but our huge trade deficit that would appall him. He’d be aghast to see the United States bogged down in so much debt to the rest of the world.
I know: that’s not what people think. “Wait, wasn’t Keynes the one trying to get us into debt?” Yes, but not that kind of debt—in fact, as his biographer writes, Keynes personally hated debt. Especially in a recession, he hated to see a country with a trade debt, or trade deficit, which arises when a country’s imports exceed exports. Indeed, when the trade deficit is as jaw-dropping as the US trade deficit is now, it is harder to use Keynesian deficit spending to push employment back up. Keynes, unlike some of his disciples today, was quick to see this problem.
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The problem with this of course is that the elite can’t continue to strip wealth from the US middle and upper middle class. Offshoring drives up earnings that are taken by management and investor class.
This is why big money spends lavishly on think tanks and msm to convince the voters that free trade is good for them and that Keynes is crazy.
And the “rainy day” tax surpluses are given back to the 1%ers as tax breaks. Because ANY government surplus means that the government is taxing people too much.
‘Because ANY government surplus means that the government is taxing people too much.”
Budget surplus or no, you aren’t taxing the people too much as long as there is debt to pay off. But then, I don’t remember seeing stock footage of that National Debt Clock when Bush’s Congress was cutting taxes…
Spending is not always a bad thing, the US infrastructure has been ignored and needs help. It is the spending in other countries where we see no return that doesn’t help Americans.
“Let the Republicans actually filibuster something, hour after excrutiating hour, in real time. The public won’t like it.”
There is no longer any requirement that a filibuser actually involve people talking on the floor of the Senate. All they do is make a single procedural vote to not let the bill come to the floor and they are done. No real time. No hours. Nothing to see. Rhetoric has its place, but it loses its punch when you haven’t updated your knowledge of Senate procedure since you last saw “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.”
I don’t understand why? Is this some sort of gentleman’s agreement, or why can’t they be forced to filibuster the old fashioned way? Something isn’t making sense to me…
Wow Gross get’s it, this is the first time I’ve ever heard a WS titan say anything like this.
Sovereign balance sheets resemble an overweight diabetic on the verge of a heart attack,” Gross wrote in a monthly investment outlook posted on Newport Beach, California-based Pacific Investment Management Co.’s website today. “If global policy makers could focus on structural as opposed to cyclical financial solutions, new normal growth as opposed to recession might be possible. Long-term profits cannot ultimately grow unless they are partnered with near equal benefits for labor.”
I still don’t understand how he could get the treasury issue so wrong given his understanding of this.
Unfortunately, this article has a grain of truth in it. I know we like to mock the how-much-a-month attitude, but rents are also how-much-a-month. There is some validity in comparing the two. Say interest rates go up and house prices go down. You could be paying the same payment for the same house no matter how you slice it. Yes, I know you can pay down principle to offset a high rate, but what if you wait 3 years for this priviledge? Now you’ve lost out $30K in rent and the houses need another $20K in fix-up. Are house prices going to drop $50K, Where the Jobs Still Are? Probably not in my price range.
Sure there is. But don’t forget to factor in the net worth hit that current buyers are likely to incur once interest rates begin reverting towards historic norms. So long as inflation is taking off at the same time, perhaps it will turn out to be a wash — who knows?
What about dollars lost on other components of PITI and other home ownership costs (insurance, taxes, HOA, Mello-Roos, maintenance and upkeep, etc etc etc), not to mention home equity losses, which just yesterday I calculated as $89K per homeowner household since 2005. Shouldn’t those also be counted as dollars lost to owning? We could throw away money on our current rent for over three years on $89K…
Occupy Wall Street protestors have a list of complaints, including student loan debt. Why?
Occupy Wall Street protest on the Brooklyn Bridge.
Demonstrators with the Occupy Wall Street movement attempt to cross the Brooklyn Bridge on the motorway on Oct. 1, 2011 in New York City. (Mario Tama/Getty Images)
Steve Chiotakis: Protests over the inequity between Wall Street and the rest of us continue. Some of the cardboard signs held up during weekend protests in New York read: “Honk if you have student debt.”
The protests have also fueled an online petition that proposes to forgive all student loan debt to boost the economy.
Marketplace’s Gregory Warner is with us live to talk about what the protesters are so upset about. Good morning, Gregory.
Gregory Warner: Good morning.
Chiotakis: Why has student loan debt become this cry of protestors — is it just because they’re mostly young people here?
Warner: That’s part of it, sure, but student loan debt in this country is now $830 billion. That’s higher than credit card debt, and of course there are more credit card holders than students — so that’s a huge debt burden. And students are taking on more of the riskiest kind of debt — these unregulated private student loans — where you have the least protection and pay the highest interest rates, up to 19 percent.
So the argument you hear is, “You’ve bailed out Wall Street, what about us?” Forgive student loans, you boost the economy because you put hundreds of dollars a month back in the pocket of middle-class families, and of young people just as they’re entering the workforce.
Chiotakis: What does this have to do with Wall Street?
Warner: Just as Wall Street helped spur the housing bubble with mortgage-backed securities, they’ve also spurred the student loan bubble with, as they’re called, student loan asset-backed securities.
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So the argument you hear is, “You’ve bailed out Wall Street, what about us?” Forgive student loans, you boost the economy because you put hundreds of dollars a month back in the pocket of middle-class families, and of young people just as they’re entering the workforce.
More of the something for nothing crowd.
How about:
Making student loan debt discharable in bankrupty?
Removing all government backing to student loans (so that it actually relfects the reward/risk)?
Crashing the college price bubble?
if you made them dischargeable then banks wouldn’t loan $ 50k for photography/philosopy/basket weaving degrees.
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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-03 12:22:25
if you made them dischargeable then banks wouldn’t loan $ 50k for photography/philosopy/basket weaving degrees.
Agreed!
Speaking as someone who’s working in a couple of fields for which people lay out big bucks for schooling, I think it’s about time for the debt-free schooling movement to take off.
And, sotto voce, I learned my basic graphic design and photography skills in high school commercial art classes.
Then there was on-the-job training. A lot of “No, stupid, you DON’T do it that way!” but let’s say that this approach got my attention and made the lessons stick.
After I left the world of paid employment, I had to forge my own learning path. It’s consisted of short courses, seminars, reading, and this marvelous thing called the Internet, which I highly recommend.
“You can’t give back the knowledge the way you would give back a house.”
So, what about all of the other things that are purchased with CCs and are things that cannot be “given back”? In other words, should vacations purchased on a CC also be non-dischargable? Travel? Clothing?
What you are advocating would essentially lead to indentured servitude for anyone who has debt that is unsecured by an asset that can be taken. BK is the onlything that prevents it today.
I am not in favor of making student loan debt dischargable in BK, not yet. You can’t give back the knowledge the way you would give back a house.
BUT…as we’ve discussed here before, mostly they are there for the piece of paper. Seems like you could refuse to provide transcripts or any sort of credential verification for students whose loans were not in good standing…? Of course that would be kind of counterproductive since you want them to make money so they can start paying you, but that would be a way to sort of “repossess” a degree.
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Comment by 2banana
2011-10-03 13:41:44
if you made them dischargeable then banks wouldn’t loan $ 50k for photography/philosopy/basket weaving degrees.
+ the inverse of Planck’s constant (h) !!!
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-03 21:02:38
for photography/philosophy [corrected]/basket weaving degrees.
So, what’s a laser without a “population” inversion?
I’d better spell this out for our newly-minted graduates
1. Wall Street demands high returns.
2. Demands for high returns means companies can’t make enough profit on selling goods and services alone.
3. Not making enough profit on selling goods and services along means that companies need to find other sources of revenue to extract high returns.
4. The other source of revenue is cutting costs of producing the good and services.
5. Cutting costs means outsourcing jobs, and those saved labor costs provide the extra revenue which produces the
6. Outsourcing jobs means that graduates don’t get jobs.
7. Graduates not having jobs means that graduates have no way to pay back student loans.
I doubt that the young protesters even know about the SLABS. (It’s news to me).
“Warner: Just as Wall Street helped spur the housing bubble with mortgage-backed securities, they’ve also spurred the student loan bubble with, as they’re called, student loan asset-backed securities.”
This is AWESOME progress!! This is the first mention I’ve seen in the MSM of the meme that student loans were also a bubble.
No two countries are experiencing the global financial crisis in the same way. And according to author Michael Lewis, you can tell a lot about each country by looking at its problems — and how they’re being dealt with.
To research for his new book, Boomerang, Lewis went on what he has called a “financial disaster tour.” He surveyed some of the most financially challenged countries in the world, from Iceland and Ireland to Greece and the United States.
As he tells NPR’s Lynn Neary, Lewis found a fatal flaw deeply ingrained in each country’s culture — which he says helps to explain how they lost their economic way when they were offered cheap credit.
“You can think about the credit bubble as one giant temptation that was laid before the developed world,” Lewis says. “Anybody who wanted to borrow basically could, in virtually unlimited sums. And given that temptation, different countries wanted to do different things with the money.”
On Iceland
“Fishing has been a source of wealth there. And they’ve used the wealth to buy lots of education — it’s a highly educated population. And then you’ve got a problem. You’ve got a bunch of highly educated people who are left to fish.”
“When all of a sudden their banks were offered unlimited credit by the rest of the world, every young Icelander was offered the opportunity to essentially become an investment banker.”
“The losses were just breathtaking — you know, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars in banking losses, for every man, woman and child in Iceland.”
“Essentially what had happened is, the men in the society — the fishermen — had told the women they knew what they were doing. And for a brief period, they looked like they were successful. When I walked in, the women were busy taking back the country from the men.”
“They basically walked away from most of their debts. So, they’ve kind of gone on their way.”
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Mortgage help for unemployed disappears
A federal mortgage program to help the unemployed is ending.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — The federal government can’t even give money away to help the unemployed pay their mortgage.
A $1 billion program to assist the jobless will likely end up spending only half the funds, at most, because so few people met the strict criteria.
The Housing Department, which had to approve the applications for the Emergency Homeowners’ Loan Program by Friday, expects that only 10,000 to 15,000 people will qualify. That’s only a small sliver of the roughly 100,000 who applied.
“No one could have anticipated how difficult the statutory requirements make it to reach homeowners,” said Lemar Wooley, a HUD spokesman.
Those who make the cut are expected to receive between $35,000 and $45,000 in aid, he said.
Many had high hopes for the loan program because it was targeting a segment of delinquent homeowners not being helped by other federal initiatives, such as mortgage modifications.
Passed last year as part of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform bill, it was modeled after a very successful program in Pennsylvania that has helped tens of thousands of residents since 1983.
The federal effort offered interest-free, forgivable loans to homeowners who lost at least 15% of their income because of the economy or their own medical condition. Applicants had to be at least 90 days delinquent, facing foreclosure and show that they could resume payments if they found a new job.
If they qualified, they could receive up to $50,000 or 24 months of assistance, whichever came first.
The initiative quickly became a quagmire of delays and requirements, however. The rollout was postponed for months, finally launching in late June. HUD originally gave people less than six weeks to apply, but then pushed back the deadline to mid-September.
But it was the income and delinquency guidelines that prevented many seemingly eligible people from getting assistance, housing counselors say. HUD used a complicated formula that took into account monthly payments, income and arrears.
Only 34 of the 174 homeowners who came to Tierra del Sol Housing Corp. in Las Cruces, N.M., met the criteria, said Rose Garcia, the agency’s executive director. Some people were turned away because they were already too far behind in their payments or because their income fell because of a family member’s illness.
“This program could have made a difference to save people from being homeless,” she said. “But it doesn’t meet people’s needs.”
“This program could have made a difference to save people from being homeless,” she said. “But it doesn’t meet people’s needs.”
I am 52 years old, 90 days delinquent, facing foreclosure and would like a forgivable loan because I am a loanowner who has lost my job as a handyman and I was unable to keep up the payments on my $450k home. But I will be able to resume payments if I find a new job as a starting quarterback in the NFL.
Look in the mirror, see any canine’s in your teeth? Odd to have that in yer mouth, bein’ the sun is circlin’ the flat earth for only 7,000 years. right?
Since peaking near $114 per barrel in May, benchmark oil has dropped about 30 percent. Gasoline prices, however, have stayed relatively high, falling only about 14 percent in that time.
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GoldenmanSucks Inc. (SCOTU$ person) = “TrueFinancialCult™” / “TrueSerialLiquiditist™” / “TrueSerialManipulator’$™” live for yet another day!
If the EPA didn’t make the big bad oil companies make 56 different
flavors of gasoline for different times of the year/seasons we would
have cheaper prices also. But the global warming hoax must continue.
The blends have nothing to do with global warming and more to do with reducing air pollution. And as far as I know most markets use the same blend year round. California has its own blend, which you can’t blame on the EPA.
If you lived in Los Angeles in the 70’s and still do today, you are thankful for the 32 flavors of gas. Maybe the rest of the country need cleaner fuel.
Global warming is real, just ask 95% of the scientists who have written about it. Don’t fear science.
I should join the “who cares, we will all be dead anyway” crowd, but I have kids and I am an outdoors-man. I would rather error on the side that global climate change is man made and start changing behavior vs I hope it is not.
95% of the so called scientists are from the left and will write
anything to get grant money from the govt. to further their
left wing political agenda.
2012 will be Mr. Cole’s 1st time at the Pasadena, CA. Doo Dah Parade.
(Perhaps, there might be some NYC visitors: “Wanker-Banker’s-R-U$” [BofA $ponsor] / “Linda-the-Lobbyi$t-Live$-Lavi$hly!” [Faux New$ Inc. $ponsor] / Ra$h Limpbaugh$ & Limpy the Lion performing “Radio Roar!” [Viagra $ponsor])
Group spokesman Patrick Bruner urged protesters to dress up as zombies and eat Monopoly money to let financial workers “see us reflecting the metaphor of their action$.”
Wall Street protesters dress as zombies in NYC
WSJ
John Hildebrand, 24, an unemployed teacher from Norman, Okla., sat up in his sleeping bag around 10 a.m. He said he arrived Saturday after getting a cheap plane ticket to New York.
“My issue is corporate influence in politics,” he said. “I would like to eliminate corporate financing from politics.”
(Hey John, when yer all pushed out of Manhattan, head on down to the US Supreme Court building in DC and help out The Justice’$ who voted CorpInc.’$ = people,…(their names escape me, but you can easily recognize them by their ear-to-ear $miles and cackling laughter.))
To fix the economy, first fix the housing market
October 3, 2011
There’s no way the U.S. can get back on track without a cure for what’s killing real estate.
By John Cassidy, contributor
FORTUNE — Is this a great country or what? At the start of last year, a friend of mine, the proprietor of a small business that has suffered badly in the recession, entered a trial mortgage-modification program. A few months later the bank told him that his application for a government-assisted refinancing rate had been turned down — his house was too far underwater. He had bought it during the boom for $220,000, putting down $30,000, and then spent another $45,000 doing it up. Now it’s worth about $100,000. Once his monthly payments were set to go back up (his mortgage rate is 6.5%), my friend stopped paying them and waited for the foreclosure and eviction notices to arrive. A year and a half later he is still inhabiting his own home and watching the mail.
Whenever I hear somebody saying that growth is about to pick up, I think about my friend and the roughly 11 million homeowners whose mortgages are worth more than their homes. Some of them are still making their monthly payments. Some, like my pal, are living for nothing. The drip-drip foreclosure crisis shows how, six years after the bursting of the real estate bubble, the U.S. residential real estate market is still a mess. And without a genuine revival in housing, it is hard to think we will ever get a self- sustaining recovery.
Sure, the news that President Obama and the Republicans are talking about enlarging this year’s payroll tax cut and extending unemployment benefits through 2012 is good news. The last thing the economy needs is a $250 billion hit to spending, which is what doing nothing would amount to. But where are the serious proposals to revive the housing market? It’s as if both parties have agreed to drop the issue.
Housing isn’t just another industry: It’s a driving force for the entire economy. Residential investment accounts for up to a quarter of overall capital investment. House prices have a big influence on consumer spending — for every $1,000 the value of his house falls, a homeowner tends to cut his outlays by about $50 or $60. And falling property tax revenues are decimating many towns and cities. How bad is it out there? New-home construction is running at less than a third of its pre-recession level; in August it fell again. Existing-home sales picked up a bit, but that was largely because of bottom-fishing investors who are betting prices can’t go any lower. Let’s hope they are right. Nationwide, according to the S&P/Case-Shiller index, prices are down 6% over the past year and down 32% since the first quarter of 2006.
I’m not saying that fixing the housing market is easy. If it were, somebody would have done it. But to begin with, we could make the much-maligned Home Affordable Refinancing Program (HAMP) work better. Generally, anybody who is current on payments and whose home is worth at least 80% of the outstanding loan is eligible to participate. But many homeowners have been put off by the red tape and by additional charges that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which ultimately own or insure many of the mortgages, have imposed on applicants.
Then there are folks whose mortgages are way underwater. One option: Force the banks to foreclose on them and get the whole nightmare over with. But that would dump yet more properties on the market. A better solution, which has never seriously been tried, would be to expand the mortgage-modification program, offering interest rate reductions and principal write-offs in return for options on the upside value of the property. For example, the government and the bank could reduce my friend’s mortgage to $150,000 — 150% of the property’s current value — but demand half of any profit he makes when he eventually sells the property.
The details would need working on — there’s a tradeoff between maximizing uptake and minimizing rewards to irresponsible borrowers — but surely it is worth trying. Three years of fiddling with the housing problem haven’t gotten us very far.
–John Cassidy is a Fortune contributor and a New Yorker staff writer.
A better solution, which has never seriously been tried, would be to expand the mortgage-modification program, offering interest rate reductions and principal write-offs in return for options on the upside value of the property. For example, the government and the bank could reduce my friend’s mortgage to $150,000 — 150% of the property’s current value — but demand half of any profit he makes when he eventually sells the property.
Cemex SAB, the largest cement maker in the Americas, plunged a record 56 percent in the third quarter on concern a global economic slowdown will crimp demand for the company’s products.
Cemex slumped 6.3 percent today to 4.44 pesos in Mexico City, a 12-year low, as of 4:15 p.m. New York time. The quarterly decline was the stock’s worst performance since Bloomberg records dating back to 1992.
Global stocks fell today, dragging the MSCI All-Country World Index to its biggest quarterly loss since 2008, as declines in Chinese manufacturing and German retail sales signaled less demand for the construction materials the company makes. Investors are also concerned the company won’t be able to meet its debt obligations, Carlos Hermosillo, head of equity research at Grupo Financiero Banorte SAB, said today.
“The quarterly fall has been dramatic,” Hermosillo said today in a telephone interview from Mexico City. “The company hasn’t convinced investors that its outlook isn’t as bad as it appears.”
Chief Executive Officer Lorenzo Zambrano said yesterday the Monterrey, Mexico-based company plans to sell about $1 billion of assets by the end of 2012 to reduce debt. Cemex, which had $17.8 billion in debt at the end of the second quarter, will meet bank covenants for 2011 and 2012 without renegotiating or selling equity, Zambrano said.
Cemex had obtained a $15 billion bank loan in August 2009 to avoid default after U.S. cement demand plummeted following the company’s $14.2 billion acquisition of Rinker Group Ltd., which had more than 80 percent of sales in the U.S.
Cemex SAB, the largest cement maker in the Americas, plunged a record 56 percent in the third quarter on concern a global economic slowdown will crimp demand for the company’s products.
Starbucks to Accept Donations to Spur U.S. Job Growth - Bloomberg
Starbucks Corp. (SBUX), the world’s largest coffee-shop operator, will start collecting donations online and at some of its cafes to spur job creation among community businesses in the U.S.
Starbucks will accept money beginning Nov. 1 to help fund loans to small businesses, according to a statement today. Seattle-based Starbucks is working with Opportunity Finance Network, which represents institutions that provide credit to community businesses, to form “Create Jobs for USA.”
“We’re going to raise millions of dollars,” Starbucks Chief Executive Officer Howard Schultz said today in a telephone interview, declining to give a specific number. “This is about Americans helping Americans,” he said. “We’re not going to wait for Washington.”
In August, Schultz, 58, asked fellow CEOs and business leaders to boycott donating to U.S. political campaigns to encourage leaders to solve the nation’s growing budget deficit. Last month, he sent a letter to President Barack Obama and Congress urging them to put partisanship aside to find a solution to unemployment.
Starbucks will open at least 200 new stores and remodel 1,700 locations in the U.S. this fiscal year, which will create “well over 2,000 jobs,” Schultz said. “Business leaders can step up and we can create a renewed level of confidence by investing in the economy and creating job opportunities.”
The coffee company opened 27 net new stores in the U.S. in the quarter ended July 3.
Wait a minute. We don’t deposit our money with them, even at zero interest, but instead we “donate” it for free so they can potentially profit from lending it out?
Okaaayyy.
Nowhere on the Opportunity Finance Network web site does it say they are non-profit. In fact, to quote from the web site. “CDFIs (community development financial institutions) are profitable but not profit maximizing.” BTW, I tried to download their pdf financial statement and got a strange error message “Bad encrypt dictionary.”
Subsidiaries of the global business empire headed by the Koch Brothers, the controversial conservative energy moguls, made illegal payments to win foreign contracts, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in a detailed investigation in its November issue. In addition, foreign subsidiaries belonging to the parent company founded by the brothers–who have helped bankroll an array of conservative, anti-regulatory causes and tea-party initiatives–sold millions in petrochemical equipment to an Iranian methanol plant, Bloomberg also reports.
In September 2008, a team of researchers sent by Koch Industries to its subsidiary in Arles, France, “found evidence of improper payments to secure contracts in six countries dating back to 2002, authorized by the business director of the company’s Koch-Glitsch affiliate in France,” Bloomberg’s Asjylyn Loder and David Evans write.
Koch Industries, based in Wichita, Kan., was reportedly none to pleased when the allegations came to light internally. Instead of recognizing the work of Ludmila Egorova-Farine–the ethics compliance officer who first brought the alleged bribes from the French subsidiary to the company’s attention–the company took Egorova-Farines off the case. Koch management then fired her a year later, Loder and Evans report.
The Bloomberg Markets investigation also found that “Koch Industries–in addition to being involved in improper payments to win business in Africa, India and the Middle East–has sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism,” Loder and Evans write.
Koch Industries, based in Wichita, Kan., was reportedly none to pleased when the allegations came to light internally. Instead of recognizing the work of Ludmila Egorova-Farine–the ethics compliance officer who first brought the alleged bribes from the French subsidiary to the company’s attention–the company took Egorova-Farines off the case. Koch management then fired her a year later, Loder and Evans report.
Why, they’re just like Countrywide. Fire those fraud-catchers and bribe-spotters right now!
“Koch Industries–in addition to being involved in improper payments to win business in Africa, India and the Middle East–has sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism,”
“Instead of recognizing the work of Egorova-Farines, the ethics compliance officer who first brought the alleged bribes from the French subsidiary to the company’s attention–the company took Egorova-Farines off the case. Koch management then fired her a year later…”
“Koch Industries–in addition to being involved in improper payments to win business in Africa, India and the Middle East–has sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism,”
Making an offer on a house may cause serious mental/mood changes, even after rescinding the offer. Drinking alcohol while considering an offer may increase the risk for mental/mood changes. Making the offer itself may also cause mental/mood changes. Stop considering making an offer and tell your doctor or pharmacist immediately if you have symptoms such as depression/suicidal thoughts, agitation, aggressiveness, or other unusual thoughts or behavior.
The house next to us, which is abandoned (but the bank hasn’t taken back) back, is failing into disrepair. Nothing major, but Florida lots overgrow quickly.
Today, with the wind at the right speed/angle, a massive frond (probably 30-40 lbs.) broke off and collapsed into my front lawn. I know, I know, I am a mere renter, but the thought crossed my mind that if one of my chilluns had been under it, they would have been severely injured or even killed. I would maintain the trees myself, but they are easily 30ft. tall and require lifts and/or those crazy chainsaw-on-a-stick rigs to prune.
So… I will obviously keep an eye out (the fronds brown before they detach) and keep my kids away on windy days. I am not confident that letter writing would be helpful, although I should in case something does happen.
A few years ago, my mother and I were out for a walk. And Mom just missed being beaned by a falling tree branch. She might have been severely injured or killed.
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Williams explained during the Fox News telecast that he made the comparison because the president was “the enemy.”
Hank Williams Jr. pulled from ESPN after comparing Obama to Hitler
by James Hibberd
In partnership with CNN /2011 Entertainment Weekly
The country singer criticized the president’s recent “golf summit” with Republican House Speaker John Boehner. The singer told Fox & Friends that the meeting “would be like Hitler playing golf with [Israeli leader] Benjamin Netanyahu.”
E$PN released this statement:
“While Hank Williams, Jr. is not an ESPN employee, we recognize that he is closely linked to our company through the open to Monday Night Football. We are extremely disappointed with his comments, and as a result we have decided to pull the open from tonight’s telecast.”
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — The revolution just might be televised after all.
More than two weeks after a band of young people began camping out under the shadow of the New York Stock Exchange, the movement to remake America’s inequitable financial system is growing
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Eurozone to Greece: “You need to meet these preconditions to get your next bailout installment.”
Greece to Eurozone: “We can’t meet the preconditions; what are you going to do about it?”
Eurozone Set To Struggle Over Greek Bailout
by The Associated Press
LUXEMBOURG October 3, 2011, 05:31 am ET
LUXEMBOURG (AP) — Finance ministers from the 17 euro countries will grapple over Greece’s ever-worsening debt crisis, a day after Athens revealed its deficit will be higher than previously promised.
Meeting the budget targets is a precondition for getting the next euro8 billion ($10.8 billion) installment of the country’s first, euro110 billion bailout.
Although the ministers have already said they won’t decide on the next payment at their meeting Monday in Luxembourg, Athens’ pre-emptive announcement that the targets will be missed is set to put the issue high up on the agenda.
The announcement will also force the eurozone to decide whether they will go ahead with a second euro109 billion rescue package tentatively agreed in July. Germany, among others, has been pushing to reopen that deal.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information.
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Ben , why not consider limiting comments to 2 or three per person a day , to reduce the clutter ?????
What if the commenter has something of value to say?
As a matter of fact, EVERYTHING I say should be considered of high value.
me too i am the only dj here……lol
I use the Joshua tree ext just fine on a mac and firefox….
i am very much capable of quickly determining what is “clutter” and skipping it thank you.
$poken like a true Professional!
Ben does this guys comment count as clutter?
to reduce the clutter ?????
What clutter…?? Do you have one of those “scroll” thingee’s on your mouse ?? Use it….
Great idea. Content-free posts should be the first to go.
What clutter? This site is fantastic!
PDFs are always optional, not required.
Yes, the EURO rescue du jour. It seems the EURO needs to be rescued at least once a week at an ever increasing price tag.
So far Germany & France are holding the EURO zone together by co-signing hundreds of billions in loan guarantees. At around 85% debt/GDP for both and a deficit of 2% and 5% respectively plus 20% and rising in various backups and guarantees the day is near when France and Germany will lose their AAA rating. That will be the day when the EURO becomes unglued. Until then banksters are making a tidy profit of EU tax payers.
No Rise in Home Prices Until 2020: Bankers
Published: Saturday, 1 Oct 2011 | 8:49 AM ET
By: Karina Frayter, CNBC Markets Producer
Home prices are unlikely to recover before 2020 and mortgage defaults will persist for years, says a survey of bank risk managers out Friday.
The survey conducted by the Professional Risk Managers’ International Association for FICO, found that 49 percent of respondents do not expect housing prices to rise back to 2007 levels for another nine years. Only 21 percent of respondents said they would.
In addition, 73 percent of surveyed bankers say they expect mortgage defaults to remain elevated for at least another five years. And 46 percent believe mortgage delinquencies will increase over the next six months.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44735283/No_Rise_in_Home_Prices_Until_2020_Bankers - 149k -
How do housing prices go up when they’re falling?
Do they mean that house prices are “rising” or “rising back to 2007 levels”? It’s entirely possible that home prices could start rising today and take 10 years to finish their rises to 2007 levels.
Are there no editors at ALL?
I have nver understood this aspect of the market. People are always saying that they want to wait until the “market gets better.” I’m fairly sure that means there are more buyers out there and perhaps that prices are starting to rise. Well, if the market is still going down and seems to be continuting in that direction, then why would you wait for the first glimpse of it going up? That is waiting to sell at the bottom. You might not have to go below your asking price, but your asking price will have to be a lot lower to be a market price.
Ask $250K now and get $230K or wait a few years until the market is “improving” and ask $160K and get $165K. Which would you choose?
Incredulous isn’t it?
This is one of the things I’ve been harping on for 5 years. Before we can begin to talk about market “recovery” we first have to define recovery.
Sales volume return to “normal” levels?
Prices stop falling?
Foreclosures back to “normal” levels?
Prices start increasing at the rate of inflation?
Prices increasing at 3x the rate of inflation to make them a profitable speculative bet?
Prices returning to 2006/2007 levles?
How can we talk about a market recovery when we have no clue what that would mean.
I think it’s pretty clear that “Prices returning to 2006/2007 levles” is what the sheeple and the MSM mean.
Correct. No editors at all.
You guys missed my post that was censored — the politically incendiary one about Perry and the “N” word…
MORTGAGE RATES CONTINUING FREE FALL
HOUSING MARKET IS REAPING BENEFITS
Published on March 6, 1993, Page E10, Article 1 of 1 found, 352 words.
** It’s a simple recipe: Add lower mortgage rates to a big supply of unsold houses, and the housing market starts heating up.
Lenders in the Sacramento area said Friday that the recent decline in fixed-rate mortgages to a 20-year low is drawing in more potential home buyers. Particularly welcome are first-time buyers who have been priced out of the market but are now coming back in.
“Refinancings are reaching the feeding-frenzy level again,”…
So that 1% drop in interest rates somehow makes that $500,000 dollar home more affordable to the guy making $50,000 how? Even at 0% they can’t afford the propped up “median” price houses - this is meaningless until the house prices drop!!
$500,000 dollar home more affordable ??
The article is from Sacramento…For $500,000. you could buy three houses…
The 1% drop in interest rates may not help a $50K person buy a $500K home, but dropping from 8% norm to 4% will help someone by a $240K home.
no equity, no re-fi
How can anyone who bought since 2003 re-fi?
House Is Gone but Debt Lives On
By JESSICA SILVER-GREENBERG
OCTOBER 1, 2011
LEHIGH ACRES, Fla.—Joseph Reilly lost his vacation home here last year when he was out of work and stopped paying his mortgage. The bank took the house and sold it. Mr. Reilly thought that was the end of it.
In June, he learned otherwise. A phone call informed him of a court judgment against him for $192,576.71.
It turned out that at a foreclosure sale, his former house fetched less than a quarter of what Mr. Reilly owed on it. His bank sued him for the rest.
The result was a foreclosure hangover that homeowners rarely anticipate but increasingly face: a “deficiency judgment.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576572532029526792.html - 211k -
Forty-one states and the District of Columbia permit lenders to sue borrowers for mortgage debt still left after a foreclosure sale. The economics of today’s battered housing market mean that lenders are doing so more and more.
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Investors know that most states allow up to 20 years to try to collect the debts, ample time for the borrowers to get back on their feet. Meanwhile, the debts grow at about an 8% interest rate, depending on the state.
No FB dollar will be allowed to escape…
Who exactly is pursuing these deficiency judgments? The original lender, or the secondary market securer? This could become a huge deal in a decade or so.
Say BoA sold a toxic mortgage to Fannie Mae three years ago. Today, BoA forecloses on the squatter FB, and the house is sold in foreclosure.
Who owned the house?
Who gets the foreclosure money?
Who is owed the deficiency judgment?
And most importantly, who is entitled to the 8%?
If BoA/Wells Fargo etc don’t fold entirely, now might be a good time to buy their stock for a retirement fund, if we know that 15-20 years from now they are going to collect 8% interest, compounded over 15-20 years, for doing nothing.
If the loan was sold, the deficiency judgement would be pursued by 1) the bond holders to whom that loan was assigned when it failed, 2) the trust that issued the securities, 3) a servicer acting on behalf of either 1) or 2). If the loan wasn’t sold, then the original lender could be the one purusing it - but I don’t think you are going to see too many of those.
Also, if a federal agency or private insurance company was on the hook to guarantee the loan, it might be the one pursuing the deficiency judgement.
maybe the loan will be sold to a type of company that doesn’t do well with ” no I can’t pay”
Some kind of organized crime collection agency
I had “extreme collections” come to my door in Poway looking for the previous renters scary boys
the previous renters one was a cop I told them that they didn’t seem to care they just sorta launghed
their card said “extreme collections” debt doesn’t die unless you go bankrupt and even then ?
Awesome. FBs should have to share the pain when they walk away from their “investments.” Taxpayers should not be on the hook to make good bank losses on real estate, especially on vacation homes or “investment properties.” FBs might make greater efforts to keep up their properties and work with banks on short sales if they face such deficiency judgements once they walk away.
The banks decide whether or not to grant a short sale; maybe they also need to work with the FBs.
Mom made an offer on a “short sale”; only to learn that although FB and his listing agent were on board with a short sale, the bank was not.
The bank did not want to play so the offer was ignored; even though it was in line with recently solds, and proportionately more than recent properties bought out of foreclosure.
The bank apparently decided not to entertain a short sale. They did come around eventually, but by that time, tenants brought in by the FB had trashed the house and the offer had to be withdrawn as such. The FB continues to rake rent $$ from his tenant who in three months has rendered this foreclosure-to-be property near valueless.
All because the bank did not wish to give the guy a short sale after he got the whole thing together complete with qualified offer.
See my questions above. If the bank refuses a short sale, and instead gets a deficiency judgment on the difference between the foreclosure sale and the mortgage, then wouldn’t they WANT the house to fall in and sell for next to nothing? That would give them the highest deficiency judgement possible.
Then, they can wait 15-20 years as that high deficiency judgment accrues 8% interest, and then suddenly swoop in and collect the judgment. Or worse yet, just put that collectible judgment on their balance sheet as an asset, wheter they swoop in to collect it or not.
Nice racket!!!!! (please tell me I’m wrong…)
Then, they can wait 15-20 years as that high deficiency judgment accrues 8% interest, and then suddenly swoop in and collect the judgment. Or worse yet, just put that collectible judgment on their balance sheet as an asset, wheter they swoop in to collect it or not.
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I don’t think the interest can start accruing until they tell the borrower about their intentions (it may be as lame a ‘tell’ as posting it on the courthouse door ala a summons) to collect a deficiency judgement, but other than that it sounds correct. I would think they can hold off for some portion of the 20 years before telling the borrower and starting the clock if they feel like it.
There could easily (and probably WILL) be 3 more recessions over the next 20 years. Not a wise strategy by the banks.
And the accounting rules for deficiency judgements are different than the ones for originating loans. They will have to convince an auditor that the deficiency is likely to be collectible before they can count it as a firm asset on their books.
Besides, the bank probably didn’t own the loan. Find out what their fee is for pursuing the deficiency judgement on behalf of whoever did own or guarantee it, to figure out the motivations.
“Nice racket!!!!! (please tell me I’m wrong…)”
You’re wrong.
“If the bank refuses a short sale, and instead gets a deficiency judgment on the difference between the foreclosure sale and the mortgage, then wouldn’t they WANT the house to fall in and sell for next to nothing? That would give them the highest deficiency judgement possible.”
They don’t want to maximize the deficiency judgement. Most of those will be sold to debt-collectors for 5 to 10-cents on the dollar.
Their motivation should be to minimize their losses, which would be achieved by a higher sales price.
The biggest problem with short-sales is the inherent conflict between the various parties splitting up the sales prices—e.g. first and second lien holders. If they cannot come to terms, then the most sensible course of action for the first lien-holder is to complete the foreclosure, since that wipes out the second lien-holder.
…but, but, but holding people responsible for their descisions, that’s not fair!
In June, he learned otherwise. A phone call informed him of a court judgment against him for $192,576.71.
Nothing a BK won’t take care of.
Unless he has other assets. The post doesn’t state how old Mr. Reilly is, but if this is his second home then he may have equity in his primary residence or possibly some stock holdings.
The simpletons who couldn’t take the time to actually read what was in their mortgage, are going to be “surprised” that they are “unexpectedly” (there’s that word again) going to be slammed with deficiency judgements, or 1099ed for the forgiven debt.
They WILL get to pay for their “free house” eventually. Too much money and the bank’s solvency are at stake. The government lets them off the hook for illegal actions, what makes anyone think that the FBers are going to get a pass when the law is actually on the banksters side?
Being hounded continuously by collection agencies is not the way I’d want to spend the next 20 years. Better them than me. Of course, when the word gets out on this, it will just become another disincentive to buy.
Fearless forecast: Before this is over, in some places houses will be given away, because their liabilities will greatly exceed the benefit of owning one.
Bloomberg
U.K. House Prices Fall as Hometrack Forecasts Faster Declines
October 02, 2011, 8:30 PM EDT
By Jennifer Ryan
Oct. 3 (Bloomberg) — U.K. house prices fell for a fifth month in September and the pace of the decline may accelerate in the coming months, property researcher Hometrack Ltd. said.
The average cost of a home slipped 0.1 percent from August and was down 3.5 percent from a year earlier, the London-based company said today in an e-mailed report on its monthly survey of real-estate agents. Prices based on Hometrack’s measure have fallen in every month but one since July 2010.
Nationwide Building Society said last week that downside risks to Britain’s property market have increased as Europe’s debt crisis undermines confidence and global growth prospects weaken. Almost a third of economists in a Bloomberg News survey say the Bank of England will restart its asset-purchase program this week to support a faltering recovery.
“Events in the euro zone, together with pressures on the domestic economy and household incomes are clearly taking their toll on consumer confidence,” Richard Donnell, Hometrack’s director of research, said in a statement. “We expect demand to continue to slip back” and see “a likely acceleration in the level of monthly price falls over the final quarter.”
New property listings rose 22 percent in the nine months through September, double the pace of demand growth, Hometrack said. On the month, new buyers registering with real-estate agents fell 2.6 percent from August.
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Falling demand marks change for house prices
A shift in the balance between supply and demand is beginning to emerge in the housing market with September seeing the number of buyers fall for the second month in a row.
Sold sign to go with story on outlook for house prices
3 October, 2011
This is in contrast to the first half of the year when demand had been steadily rising, according to the latest house price survey from Hometrack.
On the supply side, the number of new properties coming to the market in the 9 months up until
September, grew by 22%, compared to an 11% increase in demand.
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Occupy Wall Street shows no signs of stopping
Verena Dobnik, Associated Press
Monday, October 3, 2011
John Minchillo / AP
Occupy Wall Street protesters carry on in Zuccotti Park, the New York plaza where hundreds have gathered since last month. Similar protests have taken place across the nation.
New York –
Protesters who have been camping out in Manhattan’s Financial District say their movement has grown and become more organized, and they have no intention of stopping following another weekend of mass arrests.
The Occupy Wall Street demonstration started out small last month, with less than a dozen college students spending days and nights in Zuccotti Park, a private plaza off Broadway. It has grown sizably, however, both in New York City and elsewhere as people in other communities across the country display their solidarity in similar protests.
The event has drawn demonstrators of diverse ages and occupations who are speaking out against corporate greed, social inequality, global climate change and other concerns.
Kira Moyer-Sims, 19, of Portland, Ore., said protesters have become more disciplined since the rally began. “We have a protocol for most things,” she said, including what to do when people are arrested in terms of getting legal help.
On Sunday, a group of New York public school teachers sat in the plaza, including Denise Martinez, 47, a Brooklyn school teacher.
“The bottom line is the feeling that the financial industries here on Wall Street have caused the economic problems, and they’re not contributing their fair share to solving them,” she said of her reasons for camping out Sunday.
Another voice Sunday belonged to Jackie Fellner, 32, a marketing manager from Westchester County.
“We’re not here to take down Wall Street. It’s not poor against rich. It’s about big money dictating which politicians get elected and what programs get funded,” she said.
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The Occupy Wall Street demonstration started out small last month, with less than a dozen college students spending days and nights in Zuccotti Park, a private plaza off Broadway. It has grown sizably, however, both in New York City and elsewhere as people in other communities across the country display their solidarity in similar protests.
It’s spreading …
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Wall+Street+protests+spreading+Canada/5491151/story.html
“Organizers of a protest slated to take place on Toronto’s Bay Street later this month say they’re following in the footsteps of American activists who have stormed Wall Street in New York and other U.S. cities in a rally against the global financial system.”
“Canadian protests are also being arranged in Calgary, Vancouver, Victoria, Ottawa, Montreal, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, according to another website, Occupy Together.”
Still looking for that Tea Party support…
Which side are you on Tea Party?
Which side are you on…
1. Pro-Fundamentalist Christianity
2. Anti-Science
We’ve talked about the stages of grief before. Looks like Anger is finally here.
1. Pro-Fundamentalist Christianity
2. Anti-Science
1 + 2 = “We aim to be: “The Decider’s!”"
Occupy Wall Street Protesters Call For Totalitarian Government, Re-Election Of Obama
One woman interviewed by Kokesh also announces her intention to help Obama to capture a second term. How can a self-proclaimed Occupy Wall Street protester simultaneously support the man whose 2008 campaign was bankrolled by Wall Street, whose 2012 campaign is reliant on Wall Street to an even greater extent, and whose cabinet was filled with Wall Street operatives?
Because she’s terminally stupid?
But she is consistent. Totalitarian Government and reelecting Obama, do go together. The banksters are upset that people want action on China currency manipulation, illegal immigration that drives down wages etc. Obama will not address China and is stopping his modest efforts to restrain illegal immigration. Just minor efforts to restrain illegal immigration have proven too effective in a poor economy. Time to do away with elections.
Speaking of illegal immigraiton, did anyone notice that Perry has been “persuaded” to lay off that issue as well?
“Pursuaded” as in he will not talk about it nor bring it up and deflects as much as possible if asked about it.
I didn’t think he wanted to talk about it anyway, since his position doesn’t help him much with Republican voters.
oxide will have to answer that question
: )
Go read the article that CT posted. Even Rush Limbaugh would be proud of the high talking point:text ratio and sheer purity of inflammatory phrasology. They can’t go a paragraph without mentioning George Soros. Who are they gonna attack when Ol’ George leaves this mortal coil?
They do have one thing right — re-electing Obama isn’t going to do much good, if Ben Bernanke can single-handedly truck in $180 BILLION dollars to AIG, and if Congress can still filibuster everything.
They can’t go a paragraph without mentioning George Soros.
Who’s they? I see plenty of people going on and on about “Kochtopus”. Who are “they” going to attack when the “Kochtopus” leaves this mortal coil?
It’s laughable how many planks there are to go around for people’s eyes.
The difference between the Kochtopus and George Soros is that the Kochtopus funds, very quietly, all sorts of supposedly grass-roots organizations here in the US that present themselves as the ‘little people’ rising up, but are actually well-funded by the Koch brothers and agree with and advance the Koch brothers’ commercial interests.
Soros openly funds some organizations that do stuff like advance women’s rights and encourage democracy in the third world, which has no effect on Soros’ wealth or commercial interests, but that’s enough for the right to claim that he’s behind the socialist takeover of the world, and to make him their favorite bogeyman.
In short, Soros is the classic right-wing bogeyman, a scary oppositional figure that is supposedly guilty of the very things that the right is actually guilty of: Directing the soft thinking of their followers in an illogical and counter-productive direction, but one that benefits those doing the directing, and doing it all from behind the facade of supposedly-indpendent movements and organizations.
Koch vs. Soros
Democrats vs Republicans
Liberals vs. Conservatives
Muslim vs. Christian
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They’re all “religions” with religious followers that think they have the hold on truth and everybody else is stupid.
Soros makes his money shorting the economies(like England) of
countries that are in trouble financially. He then funds left
wing kooks to cause more chaos throughout the world. Boy
have you been duped “alpha sloth”.
the notion that corruption is some bound by political affiliation is absurd.
the best thing the devil ever did was to convince everyone he didn’t exist.
some = somehow
Oh dear god they were right- Soros really is behind these protests. He’s the devil himself, I tells ya!
George Soros’ sympathy for Wall Street protesters
BBC
Billionaire investor George Soros says he can sympathise with the ongoing protests on Wall Street, which have spread to other US cities.
He said he understood the anger at the use of taxpayers’ cash to prop up stricken banks, allowing them to earn huge profits.
More than 700 protesters were arrested on Saturday on
Answering questions during a news conference at UN headquarters, Mr Soros said: “The decision not to inject capital into the banks, but to effectively relieve them of their bad assets and then allow them to earn their way out of a hole leaves the banks bumper profits and then allows them to pay bumper bonuses.”
Mr Soros was announcing a gift of $40m (£26m) to a development project in Africa.
Even John Gotti handed out goodies in the neighborhood
to show what a “benevolent” man he was.
“announces her intention to help Obama to capture a second term. ”
I wonder what percentage of protesters support Ron Paul? I bet it’s high.
I’m OK with the antiobama sentiment, but really we are no where near totalitarian rule. It’s laughable he can’t get congress to do anything and yet you guys think he’s the next Stalin.
Yeah? Well, you need to read Paul Craig Roberts’ article “The Day America Died”. I always said that Bu$h Cheney dealt the mortal wound and Obama is the undertaker. Then comes the murder of Alwaki, an American citizen, no due process.
Don’t get me wrong, I am no fan of misogynistic cultures such as Muslims and mestizos and it would do my heart good to see every last one currently in the US repatriated to their own countries. But I do not agree with demonization of people in order to deprive of them of due process and justify murder.
Thus starts totalitarian rule. Any of us can now be moved into the “threat” category and denied due process of the law.
The communists have killed more people in recorded
history than any one else, its not suprising that the left
dominated media never reminds people of this fact.
“The communists have killed more people in recorded
history than any one else, its not suprising that the left
dominated media never reminds people of this fact.”
Are you talking about in time of war, killing foreign enemies, etc, or just killing your own people? Just curious where you’re going with this. Because on one hand, “the communists” helped us kill a sh*tload of Nazis in time of war. On the other hand, if you’re only talking about domestic purges…I mean, China has well over a billion people, so of course the death total at the hands of the state will be alot higher than any other country. It’s like saying the USA has more people living in poverty than Romania. It might be true, but it doesn’t mean anything.
Because on one hand, “the communists” helped us kill a sh*tload of Nazis in time of war.
= the “evil Russian people” Eyes to was feed this “Fear! Fear! Fear!” U$ military Indu$trial Complex “right”-brain propaganda. ;-/
Ike Eisenhower + George Carlin: R.I.P.
“We’re not here to take down Wall Street. It’s not poor against rich. It’s about big money dictating which politicians get elected and what programs get funded,” she said.
Then why’s she there? She should be in DC protesting. Looks like these protestors are already co-opted by Democratic party machine just like the tea partiers were by Republicans.
Free Mandela now!!
Is that so? They told Rangel he was part of the problem last weekend.
Big Money has corrupted and co-opted BOTH parties. And the vegetables who vote en masse for Establishment Republicrat candidates share the blame for perpetrating the status quo.
“Big Money has corrupted and co-opted BOTH parties.”
Also the Press.
Six corporations own every major media outlet in this country, which goes a long way toward explaining what they choose not to report.
http://www.linktv.org/
The antidote (a start, anyway) to corporate media.
well…they can’t just “give it away”…errrr…i mean “throw their vote away”.
“Then why’s she there?”
Because that’s where she lives? Apparently the Kochtopus isn’t providing bus service to this protest movement.
But having just read some of the claptrap on the infowars site, I can see that the usual suspects are being riled up to oppose vehemently the Occupy Wall Street movement. I expect to see Tea Party counter-protests soon.
“The bottom line is the feeling that the financial industries here on Wall Street have caused the economic problems, and they’re not contributing their fair share to solving them,” she said of her reasons for camping out Sunday.
No wonder public schoolkids are such retards with gems like this teaching them. No, Ms. Martinez, the Wall Street sharks ENABLED mass financial greed and irresponsibility, but it was millions of individual FBs and their overblown sense of entitlement who lived beyond their means and took on far more debt than they could prudently afford.
As repugnant as I find Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein, their swindles required willing marks by the million among homebuyers, realtors, appraisers, mortgage lenders, and yes, all those Obama and McCain voters who gave their blessing to limitless Fed bailouts using printed or borrowed money. So let’s spread the blame around just a bit more equitably, shall we, Ms. Martinez?
Sammy:
Remember along time ago I noticed the little airhead chicky poos and gamer guys in Wells fargo mortgage offcies? Well that was my red flag that something was terrible wrong. There was always adults in these jobs before.
The more clueless your front line is, the easier it is to scam people.
Preach it, DJ!
When I applied for a mortgage back in ‘04, the guy I worked with seemed to have a vocabulary that consisted of the word “Awesome!” and little else.
At first, it was charming. Then it got annoying, especially as his incompetence was revealed.
BTW, the state of Arizona put that mortgage company out of business. Not because of incompetence, but because of fraud.
swindles required willing marks by the million among homebuyers, realtors, appraisers, mortgage lenders, and yes, all those Obama and McCain voters who gave their blessing to limitless Fed bailouts using printed or borrowed money.
1.I’d say that most were not willing marks, some were greedy, some were afraid if they didn’t buy they’d never be able to again. There was a huge well financed disinformation campaign put on by realtors and banks and msm.
2. I don’t recall Obama running on limitless FED bailouts. His blessing in regard to the FED is meaningless. The FED is not controlled by the president.
3. In regard to realtors, appraisers, mortgage lenders - The Jamie Diamonds of the world implemented an incentive plan and did away with quality control and fired the disgruntled thus guranteeing the outcome they wanted.
Yes they were by being severly stupid. A few minutes on the computer asking questions led us all to this blog….
1.I’d say that most were not willing marks
Actually, I saw this blog mentioned by chance in an on-line news article.
Despite the pervasiveness and depth of the Internet, it still isn’t that easy to find things.
OCTOBER 3, 2011, 3:57 A.M. ET
GLOBAL MARKETS: European Stocks Slump; Banks Take A Beating
–European stocks open sharply lower
–Greece in focus after government says it will miss deficit targets
–Banks take a hammering
–Euro lower against dollar, yen
By Michele Maatouk
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
LONDON (Dow Jones)–European stocks fell sharply Monday, and the euro came under pressure, amid rising concern about the possibility of a Greek default, after the country’s government said Sunday that it will miss its deficit targets this year.
At 0740 GMT, the benchmark Stoxx Europe 600 index was down 2% at 221.76. Frankfurt’s DAX was 3.2% lower at 5327.73, Paris’ CAC-40 index was off 2.4% at 2910.94, and London’s FTSE 100 fell 2% to 5024.43. Bank issues were among the hardest hit, with the Stoxx Europe 600 index for the sector down 2.9% to 129.79.
The Greek cabinet Sunday approved its 2012 draft budget, with cuts of around EUR6.6 billion and gave the green light to plans to cut thousands of public-sector jobs. This came ahead of Monday’s meeting of European finance ministers in Luxembourg to discuss Greece’s progress on reforms.
“We still expect the sixth tranche of the IMF-EU loan to be disbursed in mid October, but the news is bad enough to stir markets in the short run,” said Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets.
The news about Greece heightened fears about the fallout from the euro-zone debt crisis, while doubts over global growth also continued to plague investors, traders said.
There are good reasons to fear the spillovers from the euro-area financial stress, said JPMorgan. “Europe’s sovereign debt crisis threatens regional banking sector stability and building stress on banks is fueling a generalized reduction in global risk appetite,” it said.
“Although the recent loss in global growth momentum has been broad-based, it is the recent sharp weakening in the euro area that stands out. Italy and possibly Spain have joined Portugal and Greece in recession this quarter,” said JPMorgan. It added that a sharp drop in euro-zone area business confidence and in the September PMI composite suggests a region-wide recession is taking hold.
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Asian markets down
A man looks at quotation board at the Tokyo Stock Exchange (TSE) in front of a Japanese securities company. Tokyo shares dropped 2.26 per cent on Monday after Greece said it cannot meet deficit targets this year.
Last Updated: 21 hours 41 minutes ago
Asian markets have fallen amidst concerns Greece will lose out on a multi-billion euro bailout as the country says it will miss its deficit target for the year.
Major Asian bourses dropped significantly by Monday afternoon, with Tokyo and Hong Kong stocks slipping 2.26 and 4.95 per cent as Greece refused to meet its deficit target set for it by the IMF and EU.
“It is far from a given that policymakers will succeed in turning the tide in markets in the final quarter of the year,” ANZ Bank senior economist Sharon Zollner told Dow Jones Newswires.
These quarterly losses are the worst the Asian market has seen since the 2008 financial crisis when a trend of investing safer assets over equities developed from fears of global recession.
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Stock Slump Deepens in Europe and Asia
By DAVID JOLLY AND BETTINA WASSENER
Published: October 3, 2011
PARIS — Stocks started off the final quarter of 2011 on Monday the same way they ended the last one, sinking amid pessimism over Europe’s efforts to contain its sovereign debt problems and fears that a wider economic slowdown could bring a renewed financial crisis.
European markets were down more than 2 percent by mid-morning after Asian stocks closed sharply lower. Standard & Poor’s 500 index futures fell modestly, indicating Wall Street would start Monday on a sour note, as well.
The dollar gained against most other major currencies, as investors moved out of relatively risky assets.
Greece’s acknowledgment over the weekend that it would miss its deficit-reduction targets for this year and next, despite additional cuts in the public payroll, weighed on market sentiment, analysts at the French investment bank Crédit Agricole CIB wrote in a note.
Finance ministers from the 17-nation euro group were to meet Monday night in Luxembourg, but it was unlikely that a decision would be made on whether to release the next tranche of Greece’s bailout package. “Whatever the outcome will be, the confusion and uncertainty will certainly not help calm the market’s volatility,” analysts at Milan-based Mediobanca Securities wrote in another note.
Global equities, tracked by the MSCI world index, are down 14 percent this year, with many major indexes recording their worst quarterly drops over the June-September period since the world’s banks were teetering on the brink in 2008.
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News Analysis
Toil and Trouble Over the Caldron That Is Greece
Angelos Tzortzinis/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
A street vendor cooked corn as taxi drivers protested Greek austerity measures outside Parliament during their two-day strike last week in Athens.
By STEVEN ERLANGER and STEPHEN CASTLE
Published: October 2, 2011
PARIS — Europe’s long, halting struggle with deficits and debt can seem like the agonies of Macbeth: “Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to day, to the last syllable of recorded time.”
The 17 European Union nations that share the euro don’t have that much time, of course, to convince investors that they have a plan to hold the currency together and prevent a run on the Continent’s banks. Some analysts say they have less than five weeks, until the Group of 20 summit meeting in November; others say a bit longer.
But rapid action comes hard to a union that works in increments, with political agreement required at every step.
In the short term, Greece remains the central problem. Two bailouts have not been enough. Greek public debt continues to mount, and so does the pressure on the government to find more revenue and make more cuts. Europe’s strategy, to the extent it can be discerned, is to put off restructuring Greece’s debt as long as possible and build up enough backing for a bailout fund so that banks with large exposure to the sovereign debt of Greece and other troubled euro-zone countries, like Portugal, Ireland, Italy and Spain, can survive an all-but-inevitable Greek default.
But the austerity-driven recession in Greece has made its budget deficit even worse than experts predicted, and the country has not kept all its promises to the “troika” — the European Union, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank — that is keeping Athens afloat. Experts from the troika left Greece a month ago in unofficial disgust; they returned last week only after getting fresh promises of action.
Athens is again at the brink. Without the next tranche of aid from the troika — 8 billion euros — Greece could immediately default. So the troika is playing hardball, trying to force Athens to make crucial structural changes that lenders think will never happen otherwise.
Still, the consequences of a disorderly default are considered so dire that Athens has cards to play, too. A strike by workers at the national statistics bureau has made it difficult to get up-to-date fiscal data. The government has said it faces default by mid-October without the aid, but “we think they were exaggerating deliberately to put pressure on us,” a senior European official said.
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Breakingviews: No quick fix for banks’ U.S. mortgage liability
9/9/2011 COMMENTS
NEW YORK, Sept 9 (Reuters Breakingviews) - Subprime is the crisis that keeps on giving. Mortgages made to mostly American borrowers with questionable credit histories helped sink well-established financial firms like Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and Countrywide some three years ago. They’re now threatening the viability of the survivors, like Merrill and Countrywide’s new owner Bank of America, with their second wind in the courts.
Unpacking the lawsuits can be as confusing as the subprime securities themselves. The legal entanglements not only involve countless plaintiffs, defendants, jurisdictions and prosecutors, but they envelope each link of the modern mortgage-lending chain. The Federal Housing Finance Agency suit filed last week against 17 banks is just the latest in a long line of high-profile cases that have hammered bank stocks.
Herewith, Breakingviews offers a cheat sheet of sorts on four of the biggest cases that investors in the financial industry will need to watch:
1) Foreclosuregate - Attorneys general from the 50 states want mortgage servicers like Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo to pay upward of $20 billion among them for incompetence, or worse, in the banks’ back offices. The case is rooted in accusations that banks may have wrongly foreclosed on homeowners without adequately completing and reviewing pertinent paper work.
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2) The FHFA hunt - The nearly $200 billion of suspect mortgage-backed securities certainly caught investors’ eyes when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s regulator filed its lawsuit against 17 financial institutions. But how much the FHFA actually suffered in losses — and will request in damages — is still unclear. The FHFA says the banks, which include BofA, JPMorgan and RBS, allegedly misrepresented facts about the mortgage bonds they sold to Fannie and Freddie.
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3) An insurer’s wrath - AIG has its sights on BofA. The insurer, whose own collapse in 2008 led to a $180 billion-plus government bailout, claims that it was defrauded in connection with the mortgage bonds it bought.
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AIG is also considering litigation against other financial institutions that may have misrepresented the risk of the mortgage bonds they sold.
4) The not-so-done deal - BofA looked like it had one big suit sewn up. In June, it reached a tentative $8.5 billion settlement with institutional investors, including PIMCO, BlackRock and the Federal Reserve, on home loans that violated representations and warranties about a borrowers’ creditworthiness.
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But some investors are contesting the settlement, and New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman is investigating whether the deal shortchanges investors.
The good news is that settlements in these cases would at least give shareholders something to work with when trying to figure out just how much an individual bank stands to lose. But more lawsuits could be in the works. With roughly $1.1 trillion of risky mortgage bonds still outstanding, there are sure to be plenty of disgruntled investors contemplating whether they should take their complaints to the courts. Shareholders will have to decide whether the legal limbo is worth the risk.
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“$180 billion-plus government bailout” of AIG
Who cares. Let’s beat on Solyndra again!
I have a better idea. Let’s beat on all of them, relentlessly, and keep voting all of them out of office, evey chance that we get, until the madness stops.
Beating on them all sounds good in principle. But sometimes its best to go after the biggest problem first, given minimal resources and all that. Of course if its a bankster you might not be allowed to beat on him at all, so it’s easier to beat up a smaller fish like Solyndra.
No, the principal targets must be the people in that marble building with the dome in D.C. Occupy or picket their offices, both in D.C. and back in their home districts. Print and hand out the list of “campaign contributors” from opensecrets.org to passers-by. Forward such lists to all the locals in your email address book (I have).
If a fat cat paid off a judge to get his case adjudicated in his favor, would you give the judge a pass? IMO the judge, being in a position of trust, is far more evil than the fat cat. Same with CONgresscritters.
+1 oxide…How easily AIG is forgotten…
The 100% bailout of the AIG CDS counterparties was, IMHO, the worst of the governement bailouts. By far. Even if you accept that some people really didn’t know what they were doing, the very idea that Goldman Sachs didn’t understand that it was subjecting itself to counterpary risk is so absurd that it make the dancing hippos portion of Fantasia look like an episode of Wild Kingdom. And I don’t even accept that the folks that didn’t understand should have been bailed out. They should have lost what they lost and then tried to sue the people who sold them something without making it clear what they were buying. There might have been a securities law violation in there somewhere that would have let them recover a bit. But GS and the others who knew exactly what they were getting? Nothing.
Oh, and the big players didn’t have to buy the credit default swaps. They could have just sold the securities they held that they (belated) realized were toxic waste. But that would have sent a signal to the market and caused the price to fall and you can’t have that if you are GS and need to sell a LOT of toxic waste. The CDSs aren’t traded on an exchange so their desire to get out of the risk exposure was hidden by doing through the swaps instead of just selling the bonds for whatever the market would bear.
“But that would have sent a signal to the market and caused the price to fall and you can’t have that if you are GS and need to sell a LOT of toxic waste. The CDSs aren’t traded on an exchange so their desire to get out of the risk exposure was hidden by doing through the swaps instead of just selling the bonds for whatever the market would bear.”
Well said, polly. This is one of the reasons that I believe that “dark pools” and all off-exchange trading should be banned.
All trading should be done in public view. Transparency helps markets with the task of price discovery.
The 100% bailout of the AIG CDS counterparties was, IMHO, the worst of the governement bailouts. ”
yes I agree not all insurance is a guarentee esp. if you knew it was going to have to pay off because you were gaming the system
would insurance pay me off if I bought it for a house and then piled brush around during fire season ?
Wall St. = $1 TRILLION bialout
Sloyndra = $500 million loss, and NO bailout.
Therefore, Solyndra must be more important!
Another reason not to buy: Homeownership leads to major depression.
Op-Ed Contributors
Foreclosures Are Killing Us
By CRAIG E. POLLACK and JULIA F. LYNCH
Published: October 2, 2011
AFTER slowing down in the first half of the year, the rate of homes entering foreclosure is rising again. First-time default notices were served on 78,000 homes in August, a 33 percent increase from July. A $1 billion federal program to help jobless and underemployed homeowners ended Friday. Foreclosure notices were filed against a record 2.9 million properties last year, and an additional 1.2 million in the first half of this year.
Foreclosure is not just a metaphorical epidemic, but a bona fide public health crisis. When breadwinners become ill, they miss work, lose their jobs, face daunting medical bills — and have trouble making mortgage payments as a result.
But that is only part of the story. A growing body of research shows that foreclosure itself harms the health of families and communities. In our 2008 survey of 250 people undergoing foreclosure in the Philadelphia area, 32 percent reported missing doctor’s appointments and 48 percent said they let prescriptions go unfilled, significantly higher rates than others in their community. A paper released last month by the National Bureau of Economic Research found that people living in high-foreclosure areas in New Jersey, Arizona, California and Florida were significantly more likely than those in less hard-hit neighborhoods to be hospitalized for conditions like diabetes, high blood pressure and heart failure.
More than one-third of homeowners in our study had symptoms of major depression. The N.B.E.R. study found significantly more suicide attempts in high-foreclosure neighborhoods. For every 100 foreclosures, it found a 12 percent increase in anxiety-related emergency-room visits and hospitalizations by adults under 50. Losing a home disrupts social ties to neighbors, schools, jobs and health care providers — ties that under better circumstances promote good health. Neighborhoods suffer, not just homeowners.
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More than one-third of homeowners in our study had symptoms of major depression ??
Ya think ?? And are the policies helping or hurting them ?? I submit that the policies are making it far worse for these people by dragging it out for so long…Just letting people “stew” in all the stress…
September 30, 2011 12:38 am
New US mortgage delinquencies surge
By Shahien Nasiripour in New York
New US mortgage delinquencies soared in the last quarter as foreclosures increased and banks offered fewer loan modifications to help distressed borrowers, according to a new government report.
The number of homeowners a month behind on their obligations surged nearly 17 per cent, quarter-on-quarter, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency said on Thursday.
The increase was in part due to seasonal factors as delinquency rates typically rise from the start of the year through June, OCC officials said. A similar jump occurred last year, on a small scale.
High unemployment also seemed to play a role. In addition to an increase in delinquencies among homeowners with sub par credit histories, those with sterling credit also fell behind.
“That suggests some economic factor,” said Joseph Evers, deputy comptroller for large banks. “That’s probably the striking thing in this report”.
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Compounding fears was a 2.5 per cent quarterly increase in borrowers at least 60 days late or in bankruptcy, the first time the number of seriously delinquent homeowners rose since 2009.
Loan modifications fell 18 per cent quarter over quarter, according to the report, which tracked loans serviced by nine companies which handle about 63 per cent of all first-lien mortgages. Officials said many homeowners who were significantly behind on their payments have probably already been evaluated for loan restructuring.
Home seizures and forfeitures slightly climbed in the second quarter, evidence that mortgage servicers will probably begin repossessing homes at higher rates. Banks say they have fixed the deficient processes that produced scandals such as so-called “robosigning”, where employees signed off on foreclosure documents en masse without reviewing the requisite paperwork.
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Palm Beach County’s surplus of empty homes creates unexpected market
By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:25 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 1, 2011
WELLINGTON — The lakefront home on Crown Point in Wellington once was leased to the polo set as a seasonal rental for the well-heeled followers of the sport of kings.
With fewer pony-loving transients arriving during the economic slump, the nearly 3,000-square-foot home is now being marketed to tenants whose heels are more humble - those with Section 8 housing vouchers from the government.
The housing bust has been a boon for low-income families who receive the federal rental subsidy as a glut of homes - sometimes with pools, sometimes in gated communities - weighs heavily on the market.
Home buyers caught in real estate’s free fall and landlords buying up nearly new properties at foreclosure auctions are eager for tenants whose government rent is electronically delivered each month.
“Guaranteed rent is guaranteed rent,” said Reggie Williams, who manages several rental homes, including the one on Crown Point. “I’ve had very good experiences with Section 8.”
Government-subsidized housing began during the Great Depression with Section 8 of the U.S. Housing Act of 1937 outlining the rules. For years, market forces steered tenants to apartments and homes in less desirable neighborhoods.
But the Great Recession has turned the tables. Now, Section 8 options include homes with five bedrooms, new appliances and two-car garages.
About 6,600 families in West Palm Beach, Delray Beach and their surrounding unincorporated areas receive Section 8 vouchers. The monthly rent subsidy for local homes is as high as $2,109 for a five-bedroom, three-bathroom home in a suburban Lake Worth gated community. But stipends for less than $100 are also doled out. The average voucher amount from the West Palm Beach Housing Authority is about $900. Delray Beach Housing Authority stipends average about $860.
The amount awarded is based on a family’s size and the median family income for the area. In Palm Beach County, a family of four cannot exceed an annual income of $36,700 to receive a voucher. For a family of six, the income limit is $42,600.
A family receiving a voucher is expected to pay 30 percent of its monthly adjusted income for rent and utilities.
With more variety to choose from, landlords say, Section 8 tenants can be more selective.
“They’re looking for new kitchens, granite countertops, stainless steel,” said Andy Pollack, who manages rental properties including several that he rents to families with Section 8 vouchers.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/real-estate/palm-beach-countys-surplus-of-empty-homes-creates-1890346.html - 89k
“Guaranteed rent is guaranteed rent,” said Reggie Williams, who manages several rental homes, including the one on Crown Point. “I’ve had very good experiences with Section 8.”
Section 8 is great for landlords. Not so great for the neighbors…
But the Great Recession has turned the tables. Now, Section 8 options include homes with five bedrooms, new appliances and two-car garages.
How would you like to be the person next door working 50 hours/week in job you hate just barely getting by…
If you vote Establishment Republicrat, you are voting for government meddling in areas such as housing, and for subsidized parasitism.
“How would you like to be the person next door working 50 hours/week in job you hate just barely getting by…”
How would they know the people next door were on Section 8?
And do people on Section 8 enjoy their jobs?
How would they know the people next door were on Section 8?
It is obvious you have never lived next to section 8 folks…
It’s not to hard to tell when someone new in your neighborhood is a lot poorer than everyone else in the neighborhood.
Same with doubling up.
Section 8 can be a crap shoot. It behooves the landlord to keep a close eye on thier property.
Section 8 can be a crap shoot. It behooves the landlord to keep a close eye on thier property.
The sister of a former neighbor rented to Section 8 tenants while she was living in Ohio.
She told me that the best ones were new to the program. The “veterans” were house wreckers and nothing but trouble.
Actually, I am one those working in a complex filled with — well I don’t know if they’re Section 8’s, but I can’t imagine them being able to afford the rent unless they are doubling up or receiving some form of assistance.
MoCo has a similar program to section 8. My friends are still waiting to see if they get approved. I lived next to someone in the program in my last building. She was a little odd and had almost no furniture, but was a perfectly nice person.
The most unkempt house in my neighborhood is owned by a single woman in her 50s who drives a Subaru and has a pet Afghan hound. All the window shades are always down, the shrubs haven’t been trimmed since forever, the paint is peeling and the driveway is crumbled. It’s downright creepy. And I doubt she is section 8.
Same here.
There’s a guy down the street and around the corner who, shall we say, is a bit odd. He walks everywhere and is quite friendly when you meet him on the street.
But his house? Yeesh. Place needs major repairs. Landscaping needs work. And so and so on.
I was talking with one of my neighbors about him this past Saturday. He told me that the guy is some sort of religious fanatic, and that may be so. I haven’t seen any evidence of that.
But, from what I can see from here, I suspect that there’s some sort of mental issue going on.
But he’s been in the nabe for a long time, and ISTR hearing that he owns his house.
“The most unkempt house in my neighborhood is owned by a single woman in her 50s…. And I doubt she is section 8.
Section 8 holds landlords to a higher standard as far as maintenance of their properties goes- one of the reasons some landlords don’t accept Section 8 applicants, which the landlords are free to do, if they so choose.
“How would you like to be the person next door working 50 hours/week in job you hate just barely getting by…”
Especially when that person figures out they bailed out the bank that”s keeping that house off the market, they’re paying that absentee landlords share of the homeowners association fees, as well as the rent for the “victims” next door- anyone else see trouble boilng in that pot? Especially when the “victims” start moving in other “victims” wholesale so they can collect rent from them? I’ve lived that dream out in California…..
“Guaranteed rent is guaranteed rent,” said Reggie Williams
Yeah, who cares how much you get, when you aren’t paying the mortgage anyway, right? It’s all free money…..
wouldn’t that be something if landlords had to prove they paid the mortgage every month…
“They’re looking for new kitchens, granite countertops, stainless steel,” said Andy Pollack, who manages rental properties including several that he rents to families with Section 8 vouchers.
We don’t do Formica.
Did anyone else’s blood boil when they read this?
.. I mean, it doesn’t boil my bllod so much that they get the granite, but that they’re LOOKING for it.
Well, if you had a voucher, wouldn’t you shop around? Or would you just take the first place you were shown?
This is the ‘free market’ way the housing voucher program- essentially identical to the conservative-championed school voucher program- works.
I mean, how dare those poor people with school vouchers ask about the quality of teaching in a school, and make decisions accordingly?
Yes - but I am a kooky “cut government to live within it means” and make “people pay for their own stuff” right-wing conservative so I thought I was alone…
Wow — Section 8 homes with swimming pools in gated communities.
Schweet deal, if you qualify…
And this is precisely why buying a house ANYWHERE is nuts, at this point in time.
Today’s gated community is tomorrow’s maximum security prison.
And you guys thought “Escape from New York” was fiction.
“Wow — Section 8 homes with swimming pools in gated communities.”
I see you haven’t been to Vallejo, CA. I used to repo cars from behind these gated places. The gates also served to slow the police patrols. Late evenings around these places resembled a farmer’s market, drugs and girls fo’sale.
It’s obvious this article is meant to inflame and infuriate, but the truth is, the incidents of Section 8 in nice nieghborhoods is not very common.
It happens, but it’s not like a mass movement or even a trend.
Once is too many.
They ruin the neighborhood- and you can spot them just by looking at them…
I think that turkey lurkey’s point is that section 8′ers in a nice house is a “distraction” from the really big problems.
In our area, a lot of developers needed to turn to sec 8 to cover their nut because their nice new properties built during the down side of the bubble were not selling or rental empty. It’s strange to see happening here, actually. Many are fooled to think my area is Shangri-La.
“It’s obvious this article is meant to inflame and infuriate, but the truth is, the incidents of Section 8 in nice nieghborhoods is not very common.”
“The monthly rent subsidy for local homes is as high as $2,109 for a five-bedroom,”
But it’s not like a mass movement or even a trend?
good grief ppl. - lets bring out the pitch forks and the torches - these no good sec. 8 tenants and their landlord accomplices are living the good life - while WE the average slobs are toiling in the fields..
please take a breather - i somehow thoughts the folks hanging at the HBB were a little better.
1st off - we should be thankful that we live in a country that has some sorrta safety net for the poor and improvised - have you been to a 3rd world country lately. And please don’t give me the spiel about any body can make it if they try harder - no they can’t if the system is setup so the house wins every time..
ok, where was I? - yeah about section 8. Here’s the lowdown on how this works - and of course there are always ppl. who’ll milk the system - and for them we have the housing administrators (yes, gov. employees) who must keep them honest, but wait we don’t like such gov. employees. - we pour scorn on them and then wonder how come no one wants to run the government - nice catch 20/20 don’t ya think.
ok, so 1st for a family to get onto sec. 8 they have to file a application and wait in a long long line. Once they get in, they have to show they are looking for work and being honest. If they find work they have to pay part of the rent and stay honest, i.e employer verification, house inspections, etc.
for landlords, they have to comply with an inspection list and get only 2 chances to bring the place up to code. Did i mention the inspection is yearly. And they only get the market rental rate of the unit - the housing authority isn’t stupid - they are not writing checks for $2000 for a 1000sq. ft. shack in the ghetto. That 5 bedroom $2,109 rent is probably the market rate for a $500,000 house - so its no gravy train.
As far as sec. 8 tenants not keeping up the house - well rest assured there is a HOA keeping a close eye on the mandated height of the grass in the front lawn - what? you say you don’t have a HOA - well there is always the city neighborhood division that will be more than happy to post a nice letter on the front door - make sure 5 of your neighbor place a call.
ok, so what i’m getting too— maybe we should save our anger, disgust and hyper-ventilation for the group that is really bend on shoving us back to a 3rd world status by mortgaging the h3ll out of our kid’s future, and stop this bickering partisanship..
whew!– i feel much better - thanks for listening/reading.
hmm - spell check error “improvised” –> “impoverished”
Will the Fed’s Other New Policy Encourage Risky Mortgages?
By Daniel Indiviglio
Oct 2 2011, 10:01 AM ET 6
The central bank will create more mortgage demand as interest rates fall, and credit standards may suffer
By now, you’ve probably already heard about the Federal Reserve’s “Operation Twist.” That’s the program through which the central bank hopes to push down longer-term interest rates. But in their September meeting they announced another policy changes that is arguably just as important. The Fed will begin reinvesting the maturing principal from their mortgage securities in new government-backed mortgage-backed securities. This could have a very significant effect on the housing market — but not all good.
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“reinvesting the maturing principal from their mortgage securities”
Sounds like a big elephant graveyard to me. Where mortgages go to die quietly.
For the past 25 years, it’s been bubble/bust. With increasing debt. This is the only game the government knows. It’s been masking a hidden rot, as Krugman put it, the “hollowing out” of the American economy.
The net result of these boom bust cycles is that wealth is transferred from the outsiders to the insiders, on top of the growing structural weakness of the American jobs picture.
But - when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
This recurring idea of top-down intervention in private contracts never grows old, does it? Who would get summarily screwed in order to pay for this proposed panacea?
SPECIAL REPORT - A “great haircut” to kick-start U.S. growth
By Jennifer Ablan and Matthew Goldstein
NEW YORK | Mon Oct 3, 2011 8:46am IST
(Reuters) - More than three years after the financial crisis struck, the U.S. economy remains stuck in a consumer debt trap.
It’s a situation that could take years to correct itself. That’s why some economists are calling for a radical step: massive debt relief. Federal policy makers, they suggest, should broker what amounts to an out-of-court settlement between institutional bond investors, banks and consumer advocates - essentially, a “great haircut” to jumpstart the economy.
What some are envisioning is a negotiated process in which cash-strapped homeowners get real mortgage relief, even if it means forcing banks to incur severe write-downs and bond investors to absorb haircuts, or losses, in some of the securities sold by those institutions.
“We’ve put this off for too long,” said L. Randall Wray, a professor of economics at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. “We need debt relief and jobs and until we get these two things, I think recovery is impossible.”
The bailout of the nation’s banks, a nearly trillion dollar stimulus package and an array of programs by the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates near zero may have stopped the economy from falling into the abyss. But none of those measures have fixed the underlying problem of too much U.S. consumer debt.
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This “Great Haircut” sounds like a great idea until you learn that it is your own hair that is getting cut.
No joke! I suggest the economists who keep proposing this idea over and over start by volunteering to throw in their own accumulated wealth and future incomes to help pay for the proposed “haircut”…
You don’t understand the science of spontaneous generation.
+1 Pbear…….
everyday my $3000 credit card reduction gets to be a more viable option.
But it probably won happen becuse its a bottoms up approach…..you mean the serfs want debt reduction?
Balances don’t mean anything dj, you’ll never have to pay it back. Just pay the interest.
It ain’t gonna happen. The banksters intend to extract every penny they can from you and millions of others with their usurous 20%+ credit card interest rates.
Their mega bonuses have to come out of somewhere, you know.
“But none of those measures have fixed the underlying problem of too much U.S. consumer debt.”
Hard to argue with that. The question is, do the bond holders want their write-downs negotiated in advance, or imposed on them by a bankruptcy court. Either way they’re getting that haircut.
Americans are so dependent on their CCs that many will pay the CC bill before they pay the mortgage. Going BK and cutting up the CCs makes sense, but to many people a life without plastic is just inconceivable if not outright scary.
There are many things you can’t do these days without a CC.
Renting a car is a big one.
Higher security deposits for utilies and services is another.
Some places require a CC for identification.
The Bankstas have locked us in whether we like it or not.
But yes, low wage jobs and high unemployment are never going to pay all that debt back. Ever.
We already have debt relief. It’s called bankruptcy. The laws and process are all figured out, lawyers are in place and everything. Make ‘em declare BK, throw ‘em out of the house, let ‘em rent, give ‘em a job, start ‘em over at 0 and work their way up.
Anything else just screws the responsible folks, like HBB.
Exactly, but it has a price: you kiss the CC’s goodbye. That’s too traumatic for many people.
If we are going to get debt relief let’s make it fair. I don’t own a house but I go out and buy a house with good credit and a new loan and the government at closing then gives me a $100k instant rebate applied directly to the loan.
If we are going to get debt relief let’s make it fair?
Good luck with that….The system that we have in place has winners and losers…You need to be at the top or at the bottom…If your in the middle youve probably lost…
Just look at the article regarding Sec.#8 housing…Its disgusting really…The housing voucher makes rental housing more expensive and is a enabler…
My sisters God-Mother’s daughter has been on Sec.#8 and other income assistance her entire life…She’s 48 years old…She’s never worked…
“The housing voucher makes rental housing more expensive…”
+1 This concept is totally foreign to the social help industry.
This is all just addressing the symptoms.
The root cause is the trade imbalances that created the debt in the first place.
Trade imbalances do not persist long-term. They can only exist if the party with the trade deficit is burning savings or going into debt. Eventually, the savings runs out or the debt reaches max level and then collapses.
We’re still just focusing on how to get the debt engine pumping again.
We need to directly and agressively attack the trade imbalances.
We need massive tariff on money leaving the country, a return to a 1950s style tax structure with a tiny payroll tax and a very steep income tax, and we need more jobs with better wages.
We do NOT need to kickstart the debt engine again.
You’ll know that they are serious about kick starting the debt engine when the CC credit lines suddenly increase and even those with credit “problems” (say a BK) are suddenly offered CC’s with large credit lines.
http://market-ticker.org/
What is risked when prosecution is absent (or why giving the banksters a free pass for their massive swindles undermines democracy).
Mortgage help that never should have been there in the first place runs out:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mortgage-help-for-unemployed-cnnm-1947200164.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=
Realtors are a product of a failed society.
Come on, Greece, default already. You know you want to…
Don’t spoil a good taffy pull.
OK, now, that’s just too funny right there…
Greece is like the J6P who pays the CCs before taking care of needs. He’s terrified of losing his credit. But Greece is also like the J6P who keeps getting new CCs and uses them to pay the monthly minimums on the ones he already has. The end result is inevitable: default.
Greece just announced 30,000 public servant layoffs…This bonfire is just getting started…
Which is 30,000 fewer people spending money and paying taxes, which means a deeper recession and falling tax revenues.
Theya re going to have the austerity either way - if they default and repudiate their debt, they will live within their means because they’ll be a pariah in the debt market for while. Their lifestyle will have to contract to meet what their economy can produce. In other words, the pickin’s will be mighty thin for a while.
On the current path, they are imposing auterity on themselves while trying to keep the loan money flowing in. The end result is that the pickin’s will be mighty thin for a while…
Which is 30,000 fewer people spending money and paying taxes, which means a deeper recession and falling tax revenues.
Yes, but the revenue decrease is likely more than offset by the cost of those 30,000 gov’t employees.
S&P 500 Valuations Below Recessions Since ‘57
By Lu Wang, Inyoung Hwang and Rita Nazareth - Oct 3, 2011 1:57 AM PT
A pedestrian passes in front of Standard & Poor’s Financial Services LLC in New York, U.S. S&P 500 profits fell an average of 12 percent on a yearly basis in the nine recessions since the 1950s, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Photographer: Scott Eells/Bloomberg
The rout that erased $2.9 trillion from U.S. equities has pushed valuations in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index 25 percent below the average level from the last nine recessions, even as profit estimates fall.
Companies in the benchmark gauge for American equities trade at 10.2 times 2012 forecast earnings, compared with the average in economic contractions since 1957 of 13.7, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. At the same time, analysts have cut projections for profits next year by 2.6 percent to $110.78 a share, the biggest eight-week drop since 2009, the data show.
Bears say analysts have just started paring earnings estimates and that shares will prove expensive when gross domestic product shrinks. Bulls say stock prices have fallen so much that even should earnings fail to increase in 2012, equities are inexpensive.
“What you’re seeing is a growth scare,” Wayne Lin, a money manager at Baltimore-based Legg Mason Inc., said in a telephone interview on Sept. 29. His firm oversaw $643 billion as of Aug. 31. “The question is, how much of that is priced in. I’d say that if we don’t have a double-dip recession, if earnings just stay flat, these valuations are reasonable. The market already expects those downgrades.”
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Look for P/Es to go well below eight.
Traditional valuations placed bargain stocks at PEs of 7 or lower, with healthy and dependable dividends. Bring it on! The sooner our Ponzi economy corrects back to sanity, the better.
The “E” is troublesome. Projected future Earnings based on accounting fraud and surefire recovery in the next quarter forecasts by Fat Cats who will suck any earnings up as bonuses and buyouts. If it were Price/Sustainable Dividend <8, then we’d have something interesting.
To fully cash in on stock market bargains the message P/Es give you should also be reflected in and supported by dividend yields and book values.
Look for P/Es to go well below eight.
As of this morning HP’s P/E is 5.3, and they make a steady $9 billion profit per year.
I read an intersting article about Oracle possibly doing a hostile takeover of HP. The conclusion was that Oracle was only interested in the server and storage group (Oracle’s not interested in printers and is definitely not interested in PCs), so it probably won’t happen unless HP’s stock falls even more in price.
Well the PEs are looking better. But to a greater extent than in the past, the Es go to soaring executive pay and not dividends.
If those “occupy Wall Street” folks had a clue, they’d start by demanding an end to that.
Perry bet big on tax grants to subprime lenders
By JACK GILLUM, Associated Press
Monday, October 3, 2011
(10-03) 01:28 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) –
As Texas governor, Rick Perry spent tens of millions in taxpayer money to lure some of the nation’s leading mortgage companies to expand their business in his state, calling it a national model for creating jobs. But the plan backfired.
Just as the largest banks began receiving public cash, they aggressively ramped up risky lending. Within four years, the banks were out of business and homeowners across Texas faced foreclosure. In the end, the state paid $35 million to subsidize it.
An Associated Press review of federal mortgage data, court filings and public statements found that Perry downplayed early warnings of an impending mortgage crisis as alarmist. That’s even as Perry’s own attorney general would later investigate whether Countywide Financial Corp. encouraged homeowners to borrow more than they could afford.
As Perry offered $20 million in grants to Countrywide and $15 million to Washington Mutual Inc. — each blamed for having a major role in one of the country’s most serious recessions — he took in tens of thousands of their dollars for his gubernatorial campaign.
Perry, a Republican candidate for the White House, did what any governor would want to do: bring in jobs for his state. He also supported a cap on how much consumers could borrow against their homes, which experts credit for softening the blow of the mortgage crisis in Texas: by the end of 2008, more than 22 states had a greater percentage of foreclosures.
Yet Perry didn’t appear to recognize that the industry his administration had subsidized was damaging the national economy.
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Memo to Rick Perry: God lied.
Stick a fork in him, he’s done.
Bye, Perry. And now, don’t let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
LOL LOL LOL, I just went to check my email and in the newsmakers section they had a photo of Rick Perry with a caption about the racial slur issue. AND THEN, over to the right, where the bots stick the advertising based on key words, was an ad for Dunkin’ Donuts THICK TEXAS TOAST.
I’m ROTFLMAO.
Stick a fork in him, he’s done ??
He was done when he started…It was just a issue of a little time to allow his mouth to expose what a loony he is….
I almost pity the plutocrats as they cast about for a pliable but viable “opponent” to keep the Republicrat puppet show interesting and stop the hoi polloi from getting unduly interested in non-housebroken outsiders like Ron Paul.
In Iran, you have to please the mullahs to be even allowed to run for the office of the president. We have essentially the same system here but you have to please the banksters. While it may not be an absolute prohibition with the MSM attacking you and without the bucks you cannot win. The plutocrats want a Romney/Obama race. I predicted that in November of 2008 after the last “election” (really selection). It is so depressing.
The plutocrats want a Romney/Obama race.
If it comes down to that it will be interesting to watch the Protestant Fundy vote. Will they hold their noses and vote for Mormon Romney, or will they bolt? Time will tell.
and vote for Mormon Romney ??
They will never vote for a Mormon…Catholic maybe but NEVER a Mormon…It fundamentally goes against the heart of their beliefs….”Jesus”..
Might be great time for Ron Paul to run as an independent. The fundies might shift to him if their other choice is Romney. (Though Romney might try to avert this by picking a fundie as his running mate- Bachmann, maybe?)
You can’t have a beer with Romney even if you wanted to.
I still think that Perry’s (and Bachmann’s and Palin’s) biggest caveat is that they scare moderate voters away with their fundamentalism.
But NO ONE (not just Perry) could see this coming! They were all on this bandwagon, why besmirch him more than any others?
I thought free market, personal repsonsibilty corporations didn’t need grants?
I also thought free market, personal responsibility Republicans didn’t give them out, either.
Nope, no hypocrisy there.
They don’t pronounce it “Misery River” fur nothin’…
U.S. NEWS
OCTOBER 3, 2011
Flood Leaves a Trail of Ruin
Residents Face Cleanup After Missouri River Inundates Homes, Farms and Roads
BY JACK NICAS
FORT PIERRE, S.D.—A summer of record flooding along the Missouri River is leaving a band of destruction—broken roads, drowned farmland and condemned houses—through the nation’s midsection.
The country’s longest river is still flooded near Kansas City, but upstream it has receded into its banks as the Army Corps of Engineers slows its releases of water from six giant reservoirs. Those lakes had filled to capacity in May and then discharged their water at more than twice the record rate from mid-June into September.
In recent weeks, thousands of people in the Dakotas, Nebraska and Iowa have re-entered their waterlogged homes …
It’s got to be George Bush’s fault!!! Same with Obammys record.
They call that a “loan”??? I call it a $50,000 giveway…
End all bailouts (to include wall street). Pay for your own damn house.
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Mortgage help for unemployed disappears
CNN Money | 10/03/11 | Tami Luhby
The federal government can’t even give money away to help the unemployed pay their mortgage.
A $1 billion program to assist the jobless will likely end up spending only half the funds, at most, because so few people met the strict criteria.
The Housing Department, which had to approve the applications for the Emergency Homeowners’ Loan Program by Friday, expects that only 10,000 to 15,000 people will qualify. That’s only a small sliver of the roughly 100,000 who applied.
“No one could have anticipated how difficult the statutory requirements make it to reach homeowners,” said Lemar Wooley, a HUD spokesman.
Those who make the cut are expected to receive between $35,000 and $45,000 in aid, he said.
Many had high hopes for the loan program because it was targeting a segment of delinquent homeowners not being helped by other federal initiatives, such as mortgage modifications.
“No one could have anticipated ”
DRINK!!
A $1 billion program to assist the jobless will likely end up spending only half the funds, at most, because so few people met the strict criteria.
There’s always a catch. I wonder what that strict criteria was?
Teh goog is our friend. I’ve read that there were 12 criteria, here are 5.
“HUD will assist eligible residents of targeted States that do not have substantially similar mortgage relief programs by offering them direct loans, if they meet the following program criteria: (1) Delinquency and likelihood of foreclosure- Applicant must be at least three months delinquent on the first lien monthly mortgage payment 30 days previous to the commencement of the program; (2) Income Eligibility Limit- Applicant’s pre-event income must be equal to or less than 120 percent of the Area Median Income (AMI), as determined by HUD and adjusted for family size; (3) Loss of Household Income –The applicant has incurred a substantial reduction in income as a result of involuntary unemployment or underemployment due to adverse economic conditions, or medical conditions, and is financially unable to make full mortgage payments; (4) Resumption of Mortgage Payments-there is a reasonable prospect that the homeowner will be able to make the adjustments necessary for a full resumption of mortgage payments within 2 years; and (5) Principal Residence- the mortgaged property is the principal residence of the mortgagor (applicant). Program applicants will be assessed to determine if they meet this eligibility criteria. ”
https://www.cfda.gov/?s=program&mode=form&tab=step1&id=959ad7ec2a729d61e8f0d27928df5191
No bailouts? So, end FDIC insurance and see vritually all money disappear in the blink of an eye?
FDIC is just a bailout for depositors when a bank is insolvant.
Realtors Are Liars®
America [AA+] Day: #59
”The Cliffs” ..You have all gotton those slick ads why you should invest a wad of your cash in one of their high -end housing projects. Jim anthony’s name keeps popping up in lawsuits in upstate SC , that they aren’t paying bills . It is only a matter of time till it will collapse , and the lands involved reverts back to the bears .
And the bears could use some of that land. Reading the Western North Carolina threads over at City Data, seems it’s not unusual to find a bear in one’s back yard in the outlying areas of Asheville, or on the hiking paths. The folks say that the bears in that area will pretty much run away if they see a human, unless it’s a mother with cubs, in which case all bets are off. Still, many hikers wear bear bells to warn their ursine neighbors of their approach.
Still, many hikers wear bear bells to warn their ursine neighbors of their approach.
In some places that “belt” includes a .45, a shotgun and a huge bowie knife…
“… huge bowie knife…”
The shotgun and the .45 against a bear I can understand, but a bowie knife?
Lol.
Maybe to pry the puts out of its paw?
I support the right to keep and arm bears.
Who is standing in the way of it?
I understand that there are restrictions against taking firearms into National Parks.
It’s OK to take firearms into the parks, but not to use them. However, in an altercation between a bear and a human, whose story are ya gonna believe?
When I was hiking in Glacier National Park, a ranger told me the difference between black bears’ and Grizzly bears’ scat.
Grizzly bear poop has “bear bells” in it…
……and smells like pepper spray.
Bear bells are worthless. A ranger at Glacier NP told our hiking group that we should spend our money on bear spray, make noise while on the trail, and learn what to do if a bear is nearby. But forget the bells.
People in this community had to be asked repeatedly to stop stocking their bird feeders as we had a few bears that had taken up permanent residence here. They’re idiots (not the bears). Neither birds nor bears need a handout from us.
Of course we also have foxes, coyotes and the occasional wild boar. They’re scary as they will attack without provocation. Even cars!
Pictorial-Occupy Wall Street
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/09/occupy-wall-street/100159/
(It would have been more effective if it wasn’t the fringe doing it in NYC, imo.)
This economic collapse is a ‘crisis of bigness’
Kohr’s claim was that society’s problems were not caused by particular forms of social or economic organisation, but by their size. Socialism, anarchism, capitalism, democracy, monarchy – all could work well on what he called “the human scale”: a scale at which people could play a part in the systems that governed their lives. But once scaled up to the level of modern states, all systems became oppressors. Changing the system, or the ideology that it claimed inspiration from, would not prevent that oppression – as any number of revolutions have shown – because “the problem is not the thing that is big, but bigness itself”.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/25/crisis-bigness-leopold-kohr
I’ve seen PTO meetings turn ugly and power plays at chruches.
It’s the nature of the beast… the beast within us.
I’ve seen PTO meetings turn ugly and power plays at chruches.
One of the most striking church memories from my childhood was the day when a parishioner spoke out against the sermon as it was being preached. The parishioner and the rector of the church launched into quite the discussion, which all of us were shocked to witness.
ISTR that the rector didn’t last too much longer in that church.
To boost flagging economy, U.S. wants to import more shoppers
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/to-boost-flagging-economy-us-wants-to-import-more-shoppers/2011/09/30/gIQA8P2OGL_story.html
“They are wooing travelers with enticements such as coupons, beauty pageants, and visa reform.”
Excuse me, what is “visa reform?” I don’t so much mind that the Smithsonian Museums are chock full of Asian tourists, but visa reform sounds like opening the door to another ad hoc immigrant flood.
From what I have heard it can be a real bear to get a tourist visa these days.
There was a plus in my daughter having a Kraut Passport, she didn’t have to get a student visa for her semester abroad in Spain.
Here in Tucson, we’ve had cross-border shoppers for eons.
There are plenty of middle class and upper class Mexicans who come here to shop. And, boy, do they ever. They pay cash too.
IIRC, the border crossing shoppers have special border crossing passes. You do need to be well heeled to qualify for one.
Indeed you do.
Case in point: One of my neighbors used to work in a local department store. She did quite a bit of business with people from Mexico, and they had m-o-n-e-y.
As a south Texan, I can also confirm this. The Mexican nationals who come here to shop are largely the remnants of the Spanish aristocracy from centuries past. Its easy to tell them apart from their Zapatista cousins; the former have all the money. The more things change, well, you know the rest.
Its easy to tell them apart from their Zapatista cousins; the former have all the money.
They also tend to be a lot whiter.
Ever notice how whoever wins the Miss Mexico pageant is a lot whiter than your average illegal?
Ever notice how whoever wins the Miss Mexico pageant is a lot whiter than your average illegal?
That’s also true in Cuba. Even in the Castro era, the lighter skinned people have the most power.
The corporations are upset that the workers they are paying aren’t spending more, now that they can’t just mortgage a future that has already been sold.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/falling-wages-threaten-u-s-rebound-as-consumers-may-retrench-on-spending.html
“Take-home pay, adjusted for prices, fell 0.3 percent in August, the third decrease in five months, and personal income dropped for the first time in two years, the Commerce Department reported last week. The declines followed news from the Census Bureau that median household income in 2010 fell to $49,445, the lowest in more than a decade, and the poverty rate jumped to 15.1 percent, a 17-year high.”
“Inflation-adjusted weekly earnings have fallen for six consecutive months, dropping 1.8 percent in August from a year earlier, a pace not seen since the 18-month economic slump ended in June 2009.”
That’s the good news for the wealthy and retired. The bad news?
“It’s hard to see where consumers are going to get a lot of wherewithal to sustain strong spending…It’s certainly a concern that, rather than sluggish consumption growth, we see flat or declining consumption.”
Excellent observation. If you kick the can down the road long enough, eventually, you reach the end of the road.
An economic system where the financial sector hold the rest of the economy hostage, while extracting larger and larger amounts of wealth, will eventually collapse.
You know what Yogi Berra used to say?
“When you come to a fork in the road, take it.”
What Would Keynes Do?
Thomas Geoghegan
September 27, 2011 |
This article appeared in the October 17, 2011 edition of The Nation.
After the Obama stimulus seemed to fail, a Washington Post headline gibed: John Maynard Keynes, the GOP’s Latest Whipping Boy. On the left, of course, he’s still our guy, even if, like some “Keynesians,” we have never read a word of Keynes. Some pundits say that in the 2012 presidential election, the real candidates will be Keynes and Friedrich Hayek, the Austrian economist who raged against all forms of state planning (though Hayek liked national health insurance). If that’s the real presidential election, wouldn’t it behoove some of us true believers to ask, in this moment of double-dip despair, “My God, what would Keynes do?”
Why the party needs to have a plan, keep it simple—and do something for the base.
Let the Republicans actually filibuster something, hour after excrutiating hour, in real time. The public won’t like it.
If we consult his writing, the scripture left by Keynes himself, we might be surprised to find that it would be a lot more than “prime the pump”—i.e., just run up the federal debt. For Keynes, the problem would be not just getting people into stores, or even getting employers to hire but getting our plutocracy to invest. It’s not just our jobless rate but our huge trade deficit that would appall him. He’d be aghast to see the United States bogged down in so much debt to the rest of the world.
I know: that’s not what people think. “Wait, wasn’t Keynes the one trying to get us into debt?” Yes, but not that kind of debt—in fact, as his biographer writes, Keynes personally hated debt. Especially in a recession, he hated to see a country with a trade debt, or trade deficit, which arises when a country’s imports exceed exports. Indeed, when the trade deficit is as jaw-dropping as the US trade deficit is now, it is harder to use Keynesian deficit spending to push employment back up. Keynes, unlike some of his disciples today, was quick to see this problem.
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The problem with this of course is that the elite can’t continue to strip wealth from the US middle and upper middle class. Offshoring drives up earnings that are taken by management and investor class.
This is why big money spends lavishly on think tanks and msm to convince the voters that free trade is good for them and that Keynes is crazy.
Keynes is not crazy - it is that no politician is ever going to follow his advice during the good times.
For Keynesian Theory to work.
In a recession - government spending goes way up
In a recovery - government spending goes way down
Unfortunately - we ALWAYS get government spending goes way up no matter what the economy is doing.
And the “rainy day” tax surpluses are given back to the 1%ers as tax breaks. Because ANY government surplus means that the government is taxing people too much.
So sayeth Republican policy.
‘Because ANY government surplus means that the government is taxing people too much.”
Budget surplus or no, you aren’t taxing the people too much as long as there is debt to pay off. But then, I don’t remember seeing stock footage of that National Debt Clock when Bush’s Congress was cutting taxes…
“And the “rainy day” tax surpluses are given back to the 1%ers as tax breaks. ”
It is ironic that right-wingers use themselves and their own actions as ‘proof’ that Keynes’ theories will never work.
“Hey, some idiot like me will just give any savings away to the rich or spend it on war!”
Spending is not always a bad thing, the US infrastructure has been ignored and needs help. It is the spending in other countries where we see no return that doesn’t help Americans.
Yea, building bridges to nowhere.
How the heck did an article appear in the Oct 17th edition of a paper when today is only Oct 3rd?
The Nation is a magazine. They don’t have to pay attention to reality-based publishing dates.
“Let the Republicans actually filibuster something, hour after excrutiating hour, in real time. The public won’t like it.”
There is no longer any requirement that a filibuser actually involve people talking on the floor of the Senate. All they do is make a single procedural vote to not let the bill come to the floor and they are done. No real time. No hours. Nothing to see. Rhetoric has its place, but it loses its punch when you haven’t updated your knowledge of Senate procedure since you last saw “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.”
I don’t understand why? Is this some sort of gentleman’s agreement, or why can’t they be forced to filibuster the old fashioned way? Something isn’t making sense to me…
Wow Gross get’s it, this is the first time I’ve ever heard a WS titan say anything like this.
Sovereign balance sheets resemble an overweight diabetic on the verge of a heart attack,” Gross wrote in a monthly investment outlook posted on Newport Beach, California-based Pacific Investment Management Co.’s website today. “If global policy makers could focus on structural as opposed to cyclical financial solutions, new normal growth as opposed to recession might be possible. Long-term profits cannot ultimately grow unless they are partnered with near equal benefits for labor.”
I still don’t understand how he could get the treasury issue so wrong given his understanding of this.
finance.yahoo.com/news/Gross-Recession-Risk-bloomberg-2146162934.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=4&asset=&ccode=
Maybe he didn’t get it wrong, but whoever is twisting his arm, did.
Which is exactly why I avoid funds that aren’t index.
The Gov pushed BOA to buy countrywide, they can push any fund manager to buy worthless MBS and push the risk trade.
If you live in DC, your opinion on housing does not count:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/now-might-be-the-best-time-ever-to-buy-a-home-2011-10-03?link=MW_home_latest_news
Unfortunately, this article has a grain of truth in it. I know we like to mock the how-much-a-month attitude, but rents are also how-much-a-month. There is some validity in comparing the two. Say interest rates go up and house prices go down. You could be paying the same payment for the same house no matter how you slice it. Yes, I know you can pay down principle to offset a high rate, but what if you wait 3 years for this priviledge? Now you’ve lost out $30K in rent and the houses need another $20K in fix-up. Are house prices going to drop $50K, Where the Jobs Still Are? Probably not in my price range.
“There is some validity in comparing the two.”
Sure there is. But don’t forget to factor in the net worth hit that current buyers are likely to incur once interest rates begin reverting towards historic norms. So long as inflation is taking off at the same time, perhaps it will turn out to be a wash — who knows?
“Now you’ve lost out $30K in rent and the houses need another $20K in fix-up.”
Everyone always thinks of money “lost” on rent, but they never seem to count it as “lost” on interest.
Dollars lost to interest are just as lost as dollars lost to rent.
What about dollars lost on other components of PITI and other home ownership costs (insurance, taxes, HOA, Mello-Roos, maintenance and upkeep, etc etc etc), not to mention home equity losses, which just yesterday I calculated as $89K per homeowner household since 2005. Shouldn’t those also be counted as dollars lost to owning? We could throw away money on our current rent for over three years on $89K…
or lost on property taxes or home owner associations or maintenance costs. Only “renters” throw away good money.
High rates give people with large downpayments an advantage.
Occupy Wall Street protesters irked by rising student debt in U.S.
Marketplace Morning Report, Monday, October 3, 2011
Occupy Wall Street protestors have a list of complaints, including student loan debt. Why?
Occupy Wall Street protest on the Brooklyn Bridge.
Demonstrators with the Occupy Wall Street movement attempt to cross the Brooklyn Bridge on the motorway on Oct. 1, 2011 in New York City. (Mario Tama/Getty Images)
Steve Chiotakis: Protests over the inequity between Wall Street and the rest of us continue. Some of the cardboard signs held up during weekend protests in New York read: “Honk if you have student debt.”
The protests have also fueled an online petition that proposes to forgive all student loan debt to boost the economy.
Marketplace’s Gregory Warner is with us live to talk about what the protesters are so upset about. Good morning, Gregory.
Gregory Warner: Good morning.
Chiotakis: Why has student loan debt become this cry of protestors — is it just because they’re mostly young people here?
Warner: That’s part of it, sure, but student loan debt in this country is now $830 billion. That’s higher than credit card debt, and of course there are more credit card holders than students — so that’s a huge debt burden. And students are taking on more of the riskiest kind of debt — these unregulated private student loans — where you have the least protection and pay the highest interest rates, up to 19 percent.
So the argument you hear is, “You’ve bailed out Wall Street, what about us?” Forgive student loans, you boost the economy because you put hundreds of dollars a month back in the pocket of middle-class families, and of young people just as they’re entering the workforce.
Chiotakis: What does this have to do with Wall Street?
Warner: Just as Wall Street helped spur the housing bubble with mortgage-backed securities, they’ve also spurred the student loan bubble with, as they’re called, student loan asset-backed securities.
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The protests have also fueled an online petition that proposes to forgive all student loan debt to boost the economy.
That’s even less likely to happen than CCs being forgiven.
And would suck even more for the “responsible people” to have to watch after they killed themselves trying to reduce/avoid debt while in college.
So the argument you hear is, “You’ve bailed out Wall Street, what about us?” Forgive student loans, you boost the economy because you put hundreds of dollars a month back in the pocket of middle-class families, and of young people just as they’re entering the workforce.
More of the something for nothing crowd.
How about:
Making student loan debt discharable in bankrupty?
Removing all government backing to student loans (so that it actually relfects the reward/risk)?
Crashing the college price bubble?
Okay, you’re making too much sense today.
Who are you and what did you do with the real 2banana?
How about treating the actual root cause instead of meddling with the symptoms again?
The graduates need JOBS. Plain and simple.
How is removing government backing going to help, when the kids are taking out private loans?
I am not in favor of making student loan debt dischargable in BK, not yet. You can’t give back the knowledge the way you would give back a house.
if you made them dischargeable then banks wouldn’t loan $ 50k for photography/philosopy/basket weaving degrees.
if you made them dischargeable then banks wouldn’t loan $ 50k for photography/philosopy/basket weaving degrees.
Agreed!
Speaking as someone who’s working in a couple of fields for which people lay out big bucks for schooling, I think it’s about time for the debt-free schooling movement to take off.
And, sotto voce, I learned my basic graphic design and photography skills in high school commercial art classes.
Then there was on-the-job training. A lot of “No, stupid, you DON’T do it that way!” but let’s say that this approach got my attention and made the lessons stick.
After I left the world of paid employment, I had to forge my own learning path. It’s consisted of short courses, seminars, reading, and this marvelous thing called the Internet, which I highly recommend.
“You can’t give back the knowledge the way you would give back a house.”
So, what about all of the other things that are purchased with CCs and are things that cannot be “given back”? In other words, should vacations purchased on a CC also be non-dischargable? Travel? Clothing?
What you are advocating would essentially lead to indentured servitude for anyone who has debt that is unsecured by an asset that can be taken. BK is the onlything that prevents it today.
Don’t give the PTB ideas …
I am not in favor of making student loan debt dischargable in BK, not yet. You can’t give back the knowledge the way you would give back a house.
BUT…as we’ve discussed here before, mostly they are there for the piece of paper. Seems like you could refuse to provide transcripts or any sort of credential verification for students whose loans were not in good standing…? Of course that would be kind of counterproductive since you want them to make money so they can start paying you, but that would be a way to sort of “repossess” a degree.
if you made them dischargeable then banks wouldn’t loan $ 50k for photography/philosopy/basket weaving degrees.
+ the inverse of Planck’s constant (h) !!!
for photography/philosophy [corrected]/basket weaving degrees.
So, what’s a laser without a “population” inversion?
if they: “Making student loan debt discharable in bankruptcy?”
Then I am off to law school and my first filing is BK. Too easy!
What does this have to do with Wall Street?
I’d better spell this out for our newly-minted graduates
1. Wall Street demands high returns.
2. Demands for high returns means companies can’t make enough profit on selling goods and services alone.
3. Not making enough profit on selling goods and services along means that companies need to find other sources of revenue to extract high returns.
4. The other source of revenue is cutting costs of producing the good and services.
5. Cutting costs means outsourcing jobs, and those saved labor costs provide the extra revenue which produces the
6. Outsourcing jobs means that graduates don’t get jobs.
7. Graduates not having jobs means that graduates have no way to pay back student loans.
I doubt that the young protesters even know about the SLABS. (It’s news to me).
“Warner: Just as Wall Street helped spur the housing bubble with mortgage-backed securities, they’ve also spurred the student loan bubble with, as they’re called, student loan asset-backed securities.”
This is AWESOME progress!! This is the first mention I’ve seen in the MSM of the meme that student loans were also a bubble.
Have I got a blog for you!
EduBubble. Deconstructing the college industrial complex
In ‘Boomerang,’ Cheap Credit Exposes Nations’ Flaws
by NPR Staff / Morning Edition
Boomerang — Travels in the New Third World
by Michael Lewis
Hardcover, 213 pages
October 3, 2011
No two countries are experiencing the global financial crisis in the same way. And according to author Michael Lewis, you can tell a lot about each country by looking at its problems — and how they’re being dealt with.
To research for his new book, Boomerang, Lewis went on what he has called a “financial disaster tour.” He surveyed some of the most financially challenged countries in the world, from Iceland and Ireland to Greece and the United States.
As he tells NPR’s Lynn Neary, Lewis found a fatal flaw deeply ingrained in each country’s culture — which he says helps to explain how they lost their economic way when they were offered cheap credit.
“You can think about the credit bubble as one giant temptation that was laid before the developed world,” Lewis says. “Anybody who wanted to borrow basically could, in virtually unlimited sums. And given that temptation, different countries wanted to do different things with the money.”
On Iceland
“Fishing has been a source of wealth there. And they’ve used the wealth to buy lots of education — it’s a highly educated population. And then you’ve got a problem. You’ve got a bunch of highly educated people who are left to fish.”
“When all of a sudden their banks were offered unlimited credit by the rest of the world, every young Icelander was offered the opportunity to essentially become an investment banker.”
“The losses were just breathtaking — you know, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars in banking losses, for every man, woman and child in Iceland.”
“Essentially what had happened is, the men in the society — the fishermen — had told the women they knew what they were doing. And for a brief period, they looked like they were successful. When I walked in, the women were busy taking back the country from the men.”
“They basically walked away from most of their debts. So, they’ve kind of gone on their way.”
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“You’ve got a bunch of highly educated people who are left to fish.”
Ha, hope they’re able to fish for job$ that pay better than $7.50 U$D,…per Icelandic hour.
Global Competitor$, et. al., [non-Island] list starts with largest population/worker$:
* (partial list)
Province / Municipality↓ Monthly ( Yuan )↓ Monthly ( US$ )
Shanghai …………………..1280 ………………195.69
Beijing …………………….1160 ………………177.34
Tianjin …………………….1070 ………………163.58
Zhejiang ………………….1310 ………………200.28
Mortgage help for unemployed disappears
A federal mortgage program to help the unemployed is ending.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — The federal government can’t even give money away to help the unemployed pay their mortgage.
A $1 billion program to assist the jobless will likely end up spending only half the funds, at most, because so few people met the strict criteria.
The Housing Department, which had to approve the applications for the Emergency Homeowners’ Loan Program by Friday, expects that only 10,000 to 15,000 people will qualify. That’s only a small sliver of the roughly 100,000 who applied.
“No one could have anticipated how difficult the statutory requirements make it to reach homeowners,” said Lemar Wooley, a HUD spokesman.
Those who make the cut are expected to receive between $35,000 and $45,000 in aid, he said.
Many had high hopes for the loan program because it was targeting a segment of delinquent homeowners not being helped by other federal initiatives, such as mortgage modifications.
Passed last year as part of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform bill, it was modeled after a very successful program in Pennsylvania that has helped tens of thousands of residents since 1983.
The federal effort offered interest-free, forgivable loans to homeowners who lost at least 15% of their income because of the economy or their own medical condition. Applicants had to be at least 90 days delinquent, facing foreclosure and show that they could resume payments if they found a new job.
If they qualified, they could receive up to $50,000 or 24 months of assistance, whichever came first.
The initiative quickly became a quagmire of delays and requirements, however. The rollout was postponed for months, finally launching in late June. HUD originally gave people less than six weeks to apply, but then pushed back the deadline to mid-September.
But it was the income and delinquency guidelines that prevented many seemingly eligible people from getting assistance, housing counselors say. HUD used a complicated formula that took into account monthly payments, income and arrears.
Only 34 of the 174 homeowners who came to Tierra del Sol Housing Corp. in Las Cruces, N.M., met the criteria, said Rose Garcia, the agency’s executive director. Some people were turned away because they were already too far behind in their payments or because their income fell because of a family member’s illness.
“This program could have made a difference to save people from being homeless,” she said. “But it doesn’t meet people’s needs.”
“This program could have made a difference to save people from being homeless,” she said. “But it doesn’t meet people’s needs.”
I am 52 years old, 90 days delinquent, facing foreclosure and would like a forgivable loan because I am a loanowner who has lost my job as a handyman and I was unable to keep up the payments on my $450k home. But I will be able to resume payments if I find a new job as a starting quarterback in the NFL.
Imagine if you could write a number on a piece of paper, sell the paper, and a get percentage of the number in commission.
The debt bubble was/is like that.
Gas here hit $3.38/gallon around Labor Day. Today I topped off the tank and paid $3.01 per gallon.
Enjoy it while it lasts. Of course if most of the world’s economies are heading downward this may last a while.
Of course if most of the world’s economies are heading downward
[if] ???????????
In
IcelandGreeceSomaliaFijiVietnam a daily chant from amongst the citizen’s:Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil! Peak Oil!
I pd $4.25 per gallon yesterday for a few in the motorcycle.
You had a motorcycle and that was the be$t you could do????????
Peak oil is a myth and so is evolution.
so is evolution.
Eyes.think.knot!
they both ignore science
they both ignore science
Look in the mirror, see any canine’s in your teeth? Odd to have that in yer mouth, bein’ the sun is circlin’ the flat earth for only 7,000 years. right?
Oil drops to lowest price since 2010
AP News
Since peaking near $114 per barrel in May, benchmark oil has dropped about 30 percent. Gasoline prices, however, have stayed relatively high, falling only about 14 percent in that time.
heheeeheeeheehaahaaahaaheeehaahaaa… (Hwy50™)
GoldenmanSucks Inc. (SCOTU$ person) = “TrueFinancialCult™” / “TrueSerialLiquiditist™” / “TrueSerialManipulator’$™” live for yet another day!
Yep,
File under: Wall $t. doing “God’s work”… quietly:
Homes= Wall $t. manipulation/extraction $cheme (Large $ denomination$)Oil/Energy = Wall $t. manipulation/extraction $cheme (small $ denomination$)
Another day, another HORizen:
Food = Wall $t. manipulation/extraction $cheme (even smaller $ denomination$)
If the EPA didn’t make the big bad oil companies make 56 different
flavors of gasoline for different times of the year/seasons we would
have cheaper prices also. But the global warming hoax must continue.
The blends have nothing to do with global warming and more to do with reducing air pollution. And as far as I know most markets use the same blend year round. California has its own blend, which you can’t blame on the EPA.
Nice strawman though
The strawman is the hoax that is called global warming. The
facts are there, but liberals cannot and will not recognize them.
If you lived in Los Angeles in the 70’s and still do today, you are thankful for the 32 flavors of gas. Maybe the rest of the country need cleaner fuel.
Global warming is real, just ask 95% of the scientists who have written about it. Don’t fear science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EPICA_temperature_plot.svg
Yeah, I know. “This time it’s different.”
I see your wiki and raise you a boat load of pretty graphs:
http://www.global-greenhouse-warming.com/graphs-diagrams-of-global-warming-and-climate.html
look at them all then come back.
Not sure my last post made it.
I should join the “who cares, we will all be dead anyway” crowd, but I have kids and I am an outdoors-man. I would rather error on the side that global climate change is man made and start changing behavior vs I hope it is not.
Gotta get off oil sooner than later.
95% of the so called scientists are from the left and will write
anything to get grant money from the govt. to further their
left wing political agenda.
ignorant
EPA = “Evil!”
Goldenman$ucks = “Doing
God’srepubican’s work”2012 will be Mr. Cole’s 1st time at the Pasadena, CA. Doo Dah Parade.
(Perhaps, there might be some NYC visitors: “Wanker-Banker’s-R-U$” [BofA $ponsor] / “Linda-the-Lobbyi$t-Live$-Lavi$hly!” [Faux New$ Inc. $ponsor] / Ra$h Limpbaugh$ & Limpy the Lion performing “Radio Roar!” [Viagra $ponsor])
Group spokesman Patrick Bruner urged protesters to dress up as zombies and eat Monopoly money to let financial workers “see us reflecting the metaphor of their action$.”
Wall Street protesters dress as zombies in NYC
WSJ
John Hildebrand, 24, an unemployed teacher from Norman, Okla., sat up in his sleeping bag around 10 a.m. He said he arrived Saturday after getting a cheap plane ticket to New York.
“My issue is corporate influence in politics,” he said. “I would like to eliminate corporate financing from politics.”
(Hey John, when yer all pushed out of Manhattan, head on down to the US Supreme Court building in DC and help out The Justice’$ who voted CorpInc.’$ = people,…(their names escape me, but you can easily recognize them by their ear-to-ear $miles and cackling laughter.))
heheeeheeeheehaahaaahaaheeehaahaaa… (Hwy50™)
To fix the economy, first fix the housing market
October 3, 2011
There’s no way the U.S. can get back on track without a cure for what’s killing real estate.
By John Cassidy, contributor
FORTUNE — Is this a great country or what? At the start of last year, a friend of mine, the proprietor of a small business that has suffered badly in the recession, entered a trial mortgage-modification program. A few months later the bank told him that his application for a government-assisted refinancing rate had been turned down — his house was too far underwater. He had bought it during the boom for $220,000, putting down $30,000, and then spent another $45,000 doing it up. Now it’s worth about $100,000. Once his monthly payments were set to go back up (his mortgage rate is 6.5%), my friend stopped paying them and waited for the foreclosure and eviction notices to arrive. A year and a half later he is still inhabiting his own home and watching the mail.
Whenever I hear somebody saying that growth is about to pick up, I think about my friend and the roughly 11 million homeowners whose mortgages are worth more than their homes. Some of them are still making their monthly payments. Some, like my pal, are living for nothing. The drip-drip foreclosure crisis shows how, six years after the bursting of the real estate bubble, the U.S. residential real estate market is still a mess. And without a genuine revival in housing, it is hard to think we will ever get a self- sustaining recovery.
Sure, the news that President Obama and the Republicans are talking about enlarging this year’s payroll tax cut and extending unemployment benefits through 2012 is good news. The last thing the economy needs is a $250 billion hit to spending, which is what doing nothing would amount to. But where are the serious proposals to revive the housing market? It’s as if both parties have agreed to drop the issue.
Housing isn’t just another industry: It’s a driving force for the entire economy. Residential investment accounts for up to a quarter of overall capital investment. House prices have a big influence on consumer spending — for every $1,000 the value of his house falls, a homeowner tends to cut his outlays by about $50 or $60. And falling property tax revenues are decimating many towns and cities. How bad is it out there? New-home construction is running at less than a third of its pre-recession level; in August it fell again. Existing-home sales picked up a bit, but that was largely because of bottom-fishing investors who are betting prices can’t go any lower. Let’s hope they are right. Nationwide, according to the S&P/Case-Shiller index, prices are down 6% over the past year and down 32% since the first quarter of 2006.
I’m not saying that fixing the housing market is easy. If it were, somebody would have done it. But to begin with, we could make the much-maligned Home Affordable Refinancing Program (HAMP) work better. Generally, anybody who is current on payments and whose home is worth at least 80% of the outstanding loan is eligible to participate. But many homeowners have been put off by the red tape and by additional charges that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which ultimately own or insure many of the mortgages, have imposed on applicants.
Then there are folks whose mortgages are way underwater. One option: Force the banks to foreclose on them and get the whole nightmare over with. But that would dump yet more properties on the market. A better solution, which has never seriously been tried, would be to expand the mortgage-modification program, offering interest rate reductions and principal write-offs in return for options on the upside value of the property. For example, the government and the bank could reduce my friend’s mortgage to $150,000 — 150% of the property’s current value — but demand half of any profit he makes when he eventually sells the property.
The details would need working on — there’s a tradeoff between maximizing uptake and minimizing rewards to irresponsible borrowers — but surely it is worth trying. Three years of fiddling with the housing problem haven’t gotten us very far.
–John Cassidy is a Fortune contributor and a New Yorker staff writer.
A better solution, which has never seriously been tried, would be to expand the mortgage-modification program, offering interest rate reductions and principal write-offs in return for options on the upside value of the property. For example, the government and the bank could reduce my friend’s mortgage to $150,000 — 150% of the property’s current value — but demand half of any profit he makes when he eventually sells the property.
150% of the value is still too much.
Next, please!
but demand half of any profit he makes when he eventually sells the property. …in the next 6 month$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™)
Cemex Posts Worst Quarterly Decline Ever
Bloomberg
Cemex SAB, the largest cement maker in the Americas, plunged a record 56 percent in the third quarter on concern a global economic slowdown will crimp demand for the company’s products.
Cemex slumped 6.3 percent today to 4.44 pesos in Mexico City, a 12-year low, as of 4:15 p.m. New York time. The quarterly decline was the stock’s worst performance since Bloomberg records dating back to 1992.
Global stocks fell today, dragging the MSCI All-Country World Index to its biggest quarterly loss since 2008, as declines in Chinese manufacturing and German retail sales signaled less demand for the construction materials the company makes. Investors are also concerned the company won’t be able to meet its debt obligations, Carlos Hermosillo, head of equity research at Grupo Financiero Banorte SAB, said today.
“The quarterly fall has been dramatic,” Hermosillo said today in a telephone interview from Mexico City. “The company hasn’t convinced investors that its outlook isn’t as bad as it appears.”
Chief Executive Officer Lorenzo Zambrano said yesterday the Monterrey, Mexico-based company plans to sell about $1 billion of assets by the end of 2012 to reduce debt. Cemex, which had $17.8 billion in debt at the end of the second quarter, will meet bank covenants for 2011 and 2012 without renegotiating or selling equity, Zambrano said.
Cemex had obtained a $15 billion bank loan in August 2009 to avoid default after U.S. cement demand plummeted following the company’s $14.2 billion acquisition of Rinker Group Ltd., which had more than 80 percent of sales in the U.S.
Cemex SAB, the largest cement maker in the Americas, plunged a record 56 percent in the third quarter on concern a global economic slowdown will crimp demand for the company’s products.
Connect-the-dot$ = no connection!
At the ri$k of being redundant:
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Starbucks to Accept Donations to Spur U.S. Job Growth - Bloomberg
Starbucks Corp. (SBUX), the world’s largest coffee-shop operator, will start collecting donations online and at some of its cafes to spur job creation among community businesses in the U.S.
Starbucks will accept money beginning Nov. 1 to help fund loans to small businesses, according to a statement today. Seattle-based Starbucks is working with Opportunity Finance Network, which represents institutions that provide credit to community businesses, to form “Create Jobs for USA.”
“We’re going to raise millions of dollars,” Starbucks Chief Executive Officer Howard Schultz said today in a telephone interview, declining to give a specific number. “This is about Americans helping Americans,” he said. “We’re not going to wait for Washington.”
In August, Schultz, 58, asked fellow CEOs and business leaders to boycott donating to U.S. political campaigns to encourage leaders to solve the nation’s growing budget deficit. Last month, he sent a letter to President Barack Obama and Congress urging them to put partisanship aside to find a solution to unemployment.
Starbucks will open at least 200 new stores and remodel 1,700 locations in the U.S. this fiscal year, which will create “well over 2,000 jobs,” Schultz said. “Business leaders can step up and we can create a renewed level of confidence by investing in the economy and creating job opportunities.”
The coffee company opened 27 net new stores in the U.S. in the quarter ended July 3.
Wait a minute. We don’t deposit our money with them, even at zero interest, but instead we “donate” it for free so they can potentially profit from lending it out?
Okaaayyy.
Nowhere on the Opportunity Finance Network web site does it say they are non-profit. In fact, to quote from the web site. “CDFIs (community development financial institutions) are profitable but not profit maximizing.” BTW, I tried to download their pdf financial statement and got a strange error message “Bad encrypt dictionary.”
“… profit from lending it out?”
I was thinking Starbucks would profit by spending it themselves by opening new stores.
“This is about Americans helping Americans,” he said. “We’re not going to wait for Washington.”
Corp. Inc’$ Propaganda = “drink more of our coffee” Hurry!
Concentration of wealth and power
Subsidiaries of the global business empire headed by the Koch Brothers, the controversial conservative energy moguls, made illegal payments to win foreign contracts, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in a detailed investigation in its November issue. In addition, foreign subsidiaries belonging to the parent company founded by the brothers–who have helped bankroll an array of conservative, anti-regulatory causes and tea-party initiatives–sold millions in petrochemical equipment to an Iranian methanol plant, Bloomberg also reports.
In September 2008, a team of researchers sent by Koch Industries to its subsidiary in Arles, France, “found evidence of improper payments to secure contracts in six countries dating back to 2002, authorized by the business director of the company’s Koch-Glitsch affiliate in France,” Bloomberg’s Asjylyn Loder and David Evans write.
Koch Industries, based in Wichita, Kan., was reportedly none to pleased when the allegations came to light internally. Instead of recognizing the work of Ludmila Egorova-Farine–the ethics compliance officer who first brought the alleged bribes from the French subsidiary to the company’s attention–the company took Egorova-Farines off the case. Koch management then fired her a year later, Loder and Evans report.
The Bloomberg Markets investigation also found that “Koch Industries–in addition to being involved in improper payments to win business in Africa, India and the Middle East–has sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism,” Loder and Evans write.
Koch Industries, based in Wichita, Kan., was reportedly none to pleased when the allegations came to light internally. Instead of recognizing the work of Ludmila Egorova-Farine–the ethics compliance officer who first brought the alleged bribes from the French subsidiary to the company’s attention–the company took Egorova-Farines off the case. Koch management then fired her a year later, Loder and Evans report.
Why, they’re just like Countrywide. Fire those fraud-catchers and bribe-spotters right now!
“Koch Industries–in addition to being involved in improper payments to win business in Africa, India and the Middle East–has sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism,”
“Instead of recognizing the work of Egorova-Farines, the ethics compliance officer who first brought the alleged bribes from the French subsidiary to the company’s attention–the company took Egorova-Farines off the case. Koch management then fired her a year later…”
B-b-but…Soros! Soros!
Wow, those Koch fellas sure do understand freedom better than the rest of us.
you almost made it there [-x1 word]…:
Wow, those Koch fellas sure do understand freedom better than the rest of us [peon'$]
However, you can help the Kochopu$’$ fight back: Open your window and Yell/$cream/Holler: “Linda-the-Lunch-Lady-Live$-Lavi$hly!”
Muggy the moocher must make millions!
“Koch Industries–in addition to being involved in improper payments to win business in Africa, India and the Middle East–has sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism,”
“TruePatriot’$™” + “TruePatriot’$ II™ + “TrueIndu$triali$t™” = “Get lil’ Opie!”
Cram it, you commie!
You’re just jealous because the invisible hand isn’t attached to your arm!
Coming soon to a school library near you:
“What’$ the matter with Wichita, Kansas”
by Thomas Frank
Coming soon to a school library near youWill be preached to you while you’re on a go-kart “learning physics” at a charter school.
Considering Making an Offer on a House: Warnings
Making an offer on a house may cause serious mental/mood changes, even after rescinding the offer. Drinking alcohol while considering an offer may increase the risk for mental/mood changes. Making the offer itself may also cause mental/mood changes. Stop considering making an offer and tell your doctor or pharmacist immediately if you have symptoms such as depression/suicidal thoughts, agitation, aggressiveness, or other unusual thoughts or behavior.
The house next to us, which is abandoned (but the bank hasn’t taken back) back, is failing into disrepair. Nothing major, but Florida lots overgrow quickly.
Today, with the wind at the right speed/angle, a massive frond (probably 30-40 lbs.) broke off and collapsed into my front lawn. I know, I know, I am a mere renter, but the thought crossed my mind that if one of my chilluns had been under it, they would have been severely injured or even killed. I would maintain the trees myself, but they are easily 30ft. tall and require lifts and/or those crazy chainsaw-on-a-stick rigs to prune.
So… I will obviously keep an eye out (the fronds brown before they detach) and keep my kids away on windy days. I am not confident that letter writing would be helpful, although I should in case something does happen.
Anyway, maintain it, or sell it. WTF.
No joke, Muggy.
A few years ago, my mother and I were out for a walk. And Mom just missed being beaned by a falling tree branch. She might have been severely injured or killed.
Cea$ar: “Let the game$ begin!”
$COTUS Inc. “per$on” = 1
“RoarRadio!”: -1
Williams explained during the Fox News telecast that he made the comparison because the president was “the enemy.”
Hank Williams Jr. pulled from ESPN after comparing Obama to Hitler
by James Hibberd
In partnership with CNN /2011 Entertainment Weekly
The country singer criticized the president’s recent “golf summit” with Republican House Speaker John Boehner. The singer told Fox & Friends that the meeting “would be like Hitler playing golf with [Israeli leader] Benjamin Netanyahu.”
E$PN released this statement:
“While Hank Williams, Jr. is not an ESPN employee, we recognize that he is closely linked to our company through the open to Monday Night Football. We are extremely disappointed with his comments, and as a result we have decided to pull the open from tonight’s telecast.”
What? Jr is an ignorant redneck??
So, is the colon able to pass an E$PN “official” NFL size football?
Perhaps females that have had an epidural might be able to answer that question.
Don’t ask Hwy how he knows, filed under: “to much information”
dat duh wae redneks tolkz nuutin wrong wid wat he saed
Its those WUSSIE wite leeberalls that cant handle the truth….or an WWE rassslin type comment.
shootin off wid the mouth…huh boy?
Death of a salesman. Seems like a fictional story. Hmmmmm. Was it worth it?
http://www.donlapre.com/
What’s more dangerous: A Tea Party with or one without brains?
Oct. 4, 2011, 12:00 a.m. EDT
Occupy Wall Street is a tea party with brains
Commentary: Protesters seek a political process that doesn’t exclude them
By David Weidner, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — The revolution just might be televised after all.
More than two weeks after a band of young people began camping out under the shadow of the New York Stock Exchange, the movement to remake America’s inequitable financial system is growing
…