October 5, 2011

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 04:44:09

Principal reduction plan for struggling homeowners could be part of settlement between lenders and states

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Updated: 5:45 a.m. Wednesday, Oct. 5, 2011
Posted: 7:43 p.m. Tuesday, Oct. 4, 2011

Florida homeowners facing foreclosure could see their debt reduced by banks under a proposal being negotiated this week by state attorneys general.

In return for cutting loan balances, banks would pay less in penalties for foreclosure and mortgage-related wrongdoing.

The principal reduction plan, which is being discussed as part of a settlement agreement between lenders and states, would accompany a second program that would provide funding to states to pay for their own foreclosure-rescue activity.

The possibility of banks lowering loan amounts was revealed today in the wake of the abrupt resignation of California Attorney General Kamala Harris from the core team of attorneys general negotiating the settlement.

Harris was one of eight attorneys general, including Florida’s Pam Bondi, on the team. She said Friday she was cutting ties with the group because the proposal doesn’t go far enough to help homeowners or punish lenders.

“It became clear to me that California was being asked for a broader release of claims than we can accept and to excuse conduct that has not been adequately investigated,” Harris wrote in a letter to Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller, who is leading the attorneys general group. “In return for this broad release of claims, the relief contemplated would allow too few California homeowners to stay in their homes.”

Despite Harris’ concern about banks being released from claims, Geoff Greenwood, a spokesman for Miller, said there is no discussion of giving banks immunity from prosecution.

And while details of the proposal are mostly secret, Greenwood did discuss the possibility of the national and state funds.

“Our settlement will provide huge benefits - estimated in the tens of billions of dollars - for borrowers,” Washington Attorney General Rob McKenna said today . “The deal we are negotiating will not give banks a get out of jail free card.”

In March, Bondi said she was opposed to principal reductions for homeowners, saying it was unfair to people paying their mortgages and could create a “moral hazard” that would lead others to default.

Meanwhile, Florida homeowner advocates question Bondi’s resolve to hold banks accountable.

“We expect continued disappointment from Florida Attorney General Bondi who continues her allegiance to the banks and their lawyers,” said West Palm Beach resident Lisa Epstein, who founded the blog ForeclosureHamlet.org.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/foreclosures/principal-reduction-plan-for-struggling-homeowners-could-be-1895761.html - -

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 05:17:07

I hope any principal reductions in the settlement come out of bankster bonuses, rather than the U.S. Treasury.

Comment by oxide
2011-10-05 05:33:18

And I hope that the FB’s themselves have to share in the pain, since they are about 1/3 (IMO) to blame for the mess. Like, the FB should be put under receivership like GM was. Declare BK, no more CC’s or goodies, FB has to stay in the house 5 years, any appreciation belongs to the State. Something like that.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 05:36:04

Any private sharing of the pain between FB’s and their lenders, which does not force nonparties to their lending transactions to pay up, works just fine for me.

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Comment by combotechie
2011-10-05 05:46:19

“And I hope that the FBs themselves have to share in the pain, since they are about 1/3 (IMO) to blame for the mess.”

Only 1/3? So, does that mean they are - what? - 2/3 victim?

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Comment by mikeinbend
2011-10-05 06:42:32

If foreclosures about to happen get a principal haircut because it is determined by those negotiating to be fair, what do those who have already been foreclosed upon get???

A check?? Otherwise it just ain’t fair.

I also want a haircut on my paid off home, cuz it ain’t worth what I paid for it. And those who are current on mortgages, even though they also paid too much, I suppose they get nothing and like it!

Doubt it will fly, IMO.

Wife’s foreclosure trustee’s sale scheduled for this week. I guess they are done rescheduling us…Hope someone remembers to fix the hot water heater w/ a broken thermostat, to avoid frozen pipes, or any other costly repairs coming from nobody being home.

 
Comment by polly
2011-10-05 07:57:16

Who ever told you life was going to be fair?

-Polly’s mother

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-05 11:05:42

Wife’s foreclosure trustee’s sale scheduled for this week. I guess they are done rescheduling us…Hope someone remembers to fix the hot water heater w/ a broken thermostat, to avoid frozen pipes, or any other costly repairs coming from nobody being home.

Methinks that the buyer of this place will be stuck with the “honor” of making the above repairs. And said buyer won’t be happy about it.

 
Comment by zee_in_phx
2011-10-05 12:27:47

“fair has noth’in to do with it”

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2011-10-05 21:08:37

And no additional credit of any kind while they’re paying off the reduced balance.

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Comment by WT Economist
2011-10-05 07:10:15

Correct me if I’m wrong. The banks are acting as agents for bondholders. The banks didn’t do the paperwork they were required to as agents.

As the banks punishment, the bondholders will take losses? Including Fannie and Freddie, now owned by the government? And the banks can still pay their executives big money?

Comment by polly
2011-10-05 07:59:13

Yup. I hope the bond holders sue their butts off. However, there is probably a provision preventing such suits in the agreements or the state legislatures will pass something preventing it.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 08:24:00

“Yup. I hope the bond holders sue their butts off.”

How did that work out for the GM bond holders?

Law shmaw.

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Comment by polly
2011-10-05 08:46:06

That was a bankruptcy. Very different.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 09:38:33

“That was a bankruptcy. Very different.”

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought in a bankruptcy the bond holders were supposed to be paid back first. In this mess I wouldn`t figure bond holders would be in the line by the time it`s over. Or maybe they will get 4 cents on the $ like Madoffs investors are being sent today.

 
Comment by reasonable
2011-10-05 09:46:05

no it wasnt!

bondholders are usually first at the table in a bankruptcy. by maneuvering gm’s “good assets” into a new company firstly they invaludated these claims.

arguments aside, the bondholders “followed the rules” and still got screwed.

 
Comment by polly
2011-10-05 11:00:07

I didn’t follow GM very carefully, but my recollection was that the bond holders were told (not sure if it was true or not) that the “pre-planned” bankruptcy/reorganization allowed them to get more than they would have otherwise. The rule in a full out, no surviving entity bankruptcy the stock holders get wiped out and the other creditors (not just bond holders) negotiate and work within the bankruptcy laws and the decisions of a judge to figure out how to divide up the assets. In some bankruptcies where the entity will keep going, the stock holders get wiped out and the various creditors become the owners with differing levels of ownership, and perhaps some getting something else. It really depends on the type of bankruptcy and the exact wording of the debentures and the rights of other creditors. Oh, and how good your lawyers are. That is a big one too.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 11:28:44

Bondholder furious over GM bankruptcy

Debra June is a small bondholder who six years ago invested $70,000 in GM bonds. She predicts that investment is now worth less than $200. She spoke to John Roberts on CNN’s “American Morning” Monday.

John Roberts: You invested $70,000 in GM bonds some six years ago. As a result of this deal, that is going to be converted to equity shares. What’s that investment worth now?

Debra June: Well, what happened, John, I got this booklet at the original thing. This is a 200-page booklet and they sent this in the mail and the offering was two shares of stock for every $1,000. That’s 140 shares of stock. They said originally in the booklet it was going to be 225 shares, but as you kept reading the booklet it said they were going to convert that to 101 reverse-split, which would be two shares of stock. $70,000 for 140 shares of stock.

June: Well, I’m in shock. When I bought into GM, I thought it’s a safe thing. I bought six years ago. I always thought it was safe even when the government came in. I was so excited, I said “Well they’re going to take over.” But Obama’s task force, these people came in, they didn’t negotiate. We had no say. The private investor had no say in the matter. They dealt with the big corporations. Obama is for the people, he said. How can you be for the people? How can he do this?

Roberts: We’ll keep following this and maybe we can stay in touch with you and keep checking back.

June: Please, please people out there – contact your congressman. Do something. Say it’s not right. I remember Michelle Obama said she was not proud of her country until her husband was in office. I’m a school teacher. If I was teaching her children, would she say she was proud that this is happening to a common person like myself? I mean you can’t, you can’t do it.

http://am.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/01/bondholder-furious-over-gm-bankruptcy/ - 230k -

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-05 13:01:43

June: Well, I’m in shock. When I bought into GM, I thought it’s a safe thing. I bought six years ago.

Oh, good grief. Back when I was a pup studying economics at the University of Michigan, it was already obvious that GM was in big trouble.

One of the most obvious signs to Yours Truly was the behavior of my classmates. The most business-minded among them weren’t interested in going to work for the auto industry. Instead, they were setting their sights on a relatively new industry that was called “computers.”

 
Comment by polly
2011-10-05 14:34:17

“$70,000 for 140 shares of stock.”

Given that the value of GM’s stuff (raw assets, not being used as a business) was probably pretty low, she may have gotten a better deal that way.

Bankruptcy is a whole other world of law and very, very complex. I never learned that much about it. Took a class on corporate workouts, but the prof got sick and we didn’t get much out of it after that.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-05 04:49:21

What can I offer to be first today?

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 05:07:50

“What can I offer to be first today?”

Can you tell me where I can get some cheap solar panels? Oh, never mind.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 04:51:14

“We expect continued disappointment from Florida Attorney General Bondi who continues her allegiance to the banks and their lawyers,” said West Palm Beach resident Lisa Epstein, who founded the blog ForeclosureHamlet.org.

Lisa Epstein from…

Principal reduction plan for struggling homeowners could be part of settlement between lenders and states Posted: 7:43 p.m. Tuesday, Oct. 4, 2011

“Each month, Epstein draws a small crowd to her Foreclosure Hamlet happy hour at E.R. Bradley’s Saloon.”

Drinks are on me cause I live for free.

‘Deadbeat’ fights back against foreclosure process

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 9:14 p.m. Tuesday, Oct. 19, 2010

WEST PALM BEACH — This deadbeat took on Wall Street, and Wall Street was cowed.

Lisa Epstein, a 45-year-old cancer nurse, mother to a 3-year-old girl, and prolific blogger, has spent the past year growing a grass-roots foreclosure-fighting coalition that is partly credited with forcing the nation’s largest banks to take a step back and review their home repossession machines.

She got tangled in the system herself when she was served with foreclosure papers last year, lost her top credit rating and was slapped with the deadbeat label.

But along with fellow local blogger Michael Redman, 35, Epstein fought the machine. The duo have combed through Palm Beach County court records; posted suspicious foreclosure affidavits online; written to judges, politicians and attorneys; and attracted a rock-star-like following of thousands nationwide.

The mounting evidence found by the group of citizen investigators couldn’t be ignored, and by late September the nation’s colossal financial institutions were on the spot to explain and fix their faulty foreclosure efforts.

“We used to be the wacko fringe; now we’re cutting-edge,” Epstein said. “Finally, my questions are being asked by reporters and attorney generals nationwide.”

Each month, Epstein draws a small crowd to her Foreclosure Hamlet happy hour at E.R. Bradley’s Saloon.

Divorced, sick, laid-off or self-employed in an economy on the rocks, attendees gather for support and to share information, attracted by a feisty nurse in a cute pink scarf who refuses to surrender.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/real-estate/deadbeat-fights-back-against-foreclosure-process-981385.html - 91k -

This “feisty nurse” needs another 4 years of living free!

Type: MTG
Date/Time: 3/2/2007 09:23:19
CFN: 20070104472
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 21468/1835
Pages: 19
Consideration: $313,490.00
Party 1: EPSTEIN LISA B
EPSTEIN ALAN
Party 2: MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC
DHI MORTGAGE COMPANY LTD
Legal: TERRACINA L228 L

Type: LP
Date/Time: 2/19/2009 08:54:46
CFN: 20090056608
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 23087/240
Pages: 1
Consideration: $0.00
Party 1: U S BANK NATIONAL ASSOCIATION TRUSTEE
J P MORGAN MORTGAGE TRUST
Party 2: EPSTEIN LISA B
EPSTEIN SPOUSE
EPSTEIN ALAN
TERRACINA HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION INC
Legal: TERRACINA JOHNSON PROPERTY PUD L228 L

Comment by malfunction junction
2011-10-05 05:13:41

Wow E.R.Bradley’s used to cater to the most upscale crowd in town. Now its deadbeats.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-05 05:39:32

If the banks hadn’t broken the law in the first place, she wouldn’t have a leg to stand on, no?

Show them no MERSy, Lisa!

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 05:54:22

“Show them no MERSy, Lisa!”

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-06-08 05:24:25
The Cover Of The Rolling Stone

Hey Michael , hey Lisa, tell them who we are

Well, we’re big house debtors, we got cashmere sweaters and we’re loved everywhere we go (That sounds like us)
We love to refi our houses at fifty thousand dollars a blow
We take all kinds of pills, that give us all kind of thrills but the thrill we’ve never known
Is the thrill that’ll get you when you get your picture on the cover of Delinquent Loans

Delinquent Loans, wanna see my picture on the cover
Wanna send five copies to my lawyer (Yeah!)
Wanna see my smilin’ face, on the cover of Delinquent Loans

(That’s a very very good idea)

I got a freaky old lady name o’ Cocaine Kitty who drives a Mercedes Benz
I got five flat sreens and granite, we love to show to all our friends
Now it’s all designed to blow our minds but our minds won’t really be blown
Like the blow that’ll getcha when you get your picture on the cover of Delinquent Loans

Delinquent Loans, wanna see my picture on the cover
Wanna send five copies to my lawyer (Yeah!)
Wanna see my smilin’ face, on the cover of Delinquent Loans

(Move out? No man we got three years)

(Hey, I know how…)

(Robo signers man)

(ROCK N` ROLL)

(Aww, dats beautiful)

Comment by Elanor
2011-10-05 09:15:37

Bravo! :D

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Comment by oxide
2011-10-05 05:57:03

I asked about this months ago. If the bank robosigns a foreclosure without being familiar with the facts of the case, can the bank go back, get familiar with the facts of the case, and re-file the foreclosure? Somebody answered yes. (?)

So no matter how many months that the feisty nurse doesn’t pay, nothing changes the fact that the she owes upwards of $220K (?) to somebody. The most she can do is delay until she pays up or gets thrown out. And it wouldn’t surprise me if the bank pursued a deficiency judgment on the feisty nurse.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-05 06:10:55

“The most she can do is delay until she pays up or gets thrown out. And it wouldn’t surprise me if the bank pursued a deficiency judgment on the feisty nurse.”

That’s why we should salute the work of FBs like Lisa, who aren’t going down without a fight. They are heroically sacrificing themselves in order to force the banksters to follow the law for a change.

And we’ll all be better off for it, in the long run, even if we have to wait another year to get a house for a single gold coin.

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Comment by CrackerJim
2011-10-05 09:42:44

“They are heroically sacrificing themselves in order to force the banksters to follow the law for a change. ”

Spare me the BS. They want their house without having to pay back those very real dollars the bank contributed to the purchase; after all they are entitled!

 
 
 
Comment by Kirisdad
2011-10-05 06:02:57

Sloth, opinions like that are preventing me from becoming a full fledged democrat. Greedy borrowers should not profit from their own greedy decisions. I despise the banks but, two wrongs don’t make a right. IMO, democrats are are making a huge mistake by not going after corruption and fraud in all forms, corporate and personal (specifically entitlement abuse). They would swing a lot of independents to their side, if they made that huge policy jump.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-05 06:13:59

“going after corruption and fraud in all forms”

The definition of a man without a party.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-05 06:44:14

“going after corruption and fraud in all forms”

The mi$$ion only gets “discombobulated” when parties start drawing up their “priorities” list.

A divided prosecution seldom gets a conviction. Need evidence, look down the end of Manhattan I$land? ;-)

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 08:09:55

” Greedy borrowers should not profit from their own greedy decisions. I despise the banks but, two wrongs don’t make a right.”

I wish I could have said it that well. I lived with these victims like Lisa in 2004 - 2006 when they sang a VERY different tune. I just bought this place in July and it has already gone up $70k or we bought in 1995 and we have $300k in equity, why not use it? Or “Your father is an idiot, he will never be able to buy a home here”. For the most part EVERYONE I knew bought into this mania with the goal of GETTING RICH on their realestate investments and ridiculed me and my family for having the view that this was going to be a disaster. Now that it has gone badly for them “it`s not their fault, it was ” the banks and their lawyers,”.

Are the banks, Wall Street and Angelo Mazzilos of the world guilty? YES! Are the Lisa Epsteins of the world victims? Hardly.

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Comment by oxide
2011-10-05 12:14:30

Kirisdad, I don’t think alpha wants Lisa to have a house scot-free.

What alpha is saying is that if a bank is going to foreclose, the bank needs to foreclose correctly. Those who are wrongly foreclosed (wrong address etc) still need court protection. Therefore, you need to shove ALL of them through the court process, even if this takes time and the outcome doesn’t change.

Now me, I would like for the feisty nurse to have to pay back every penny of 2-3 years of free rent that she owes, per the contract she signed. Or failing that, give up the house per the contract she signed. And/or, submit to a deficiency judgment per state law. Or, declare BK to discharge the debt per state law and stick the loss to the bank…not sure how this works. The point is, there are probably laws to cover this exact scenario, and they need to be followed.

The feisty nurse should thank her lucky stars that the bank is reluctant to take the house, or the loss, or whatever. She can blog to her heart’s content, but the fact remains that she is squatting. Any rental landlord would just ignore her and quietly throw her stuff onto the sidewalk.

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Comment by Insurance Guy
2011-10-05 13:04:44

I spent the fourth of July with these folks. They are good people.

The problem in South Florida is that the banks were so stupid and are still so stupid. They farmed out the paperwork to outside companies who made a mess of the papers. Then they used outside lawyers to do the foreclosures and they made a mess. So the feisty nurse just follows the law (the rules) and says that you can’t foreclose on me because you don’t have the paperwork.

You can complain about the law but she is following the law and the banks and lawyers are so stupid that they can’t do a foreclosure. I am not taking a side - just saying that there is so much stupidity by banks involved that it is just a wonder.

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-05 06:45:32

Everyone talks big about the Constitution, and our rights,and the sanctity of contracts, but the second those protections protect someone they see as unworthy, or a ‘deadbeat’, suddenly it’s time to throw those rights and protections out the window, and use some ‘common sense’.

Feh.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-05 08:04:20

I’ve noticed that too. It has to warm the banksters’ hearts everytime.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 08:59:11

“Everyone talks big about the Constitution” The what?

The Who?

People try to put us d-down (Talkin’ ’bout my Constitution)
Just because we get around (Talkin’ ’bout my Constitution)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (Talkin’ ’bout my Constitution)
I hope I die before I get old (Talkin’ ’bout my Constitution)

This is my Constitution
This is my Constitution, baby

Why don’t you all f-fade away (Talkin’ ’bout my Constitution)
And don’t try to dig what we all s-s-say (Talkin’ ’bout my Constitution)
I’m not trying to cause a big s-s-solution (Talkin’ ’bout my Constitution)
I’m just talkin’ ’bout my C-C-C-Constitution

The Deadbeat Poets Society

Listen, my children, and don`t be schocked
About the Deadbeats on your block,
That big old house they say they own;
They bought it with a Liar Loan
They take vacations new cars too
But your parents say it`s not for you?
We pay our bills and we pay your taxes
Our credit cards aren`t at the maxes
For it`s one, if by land, and two, if by sea;
Only the Deadbeats live for free

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 09:56:58

Can’t have the “help” gettin’ uppity. *sniff*

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Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-10-05 06:21:27

Deadbeats versus parasites. Schadenfreude overload.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 09:58:24

Damn. Beat me to it!

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-10-05 07:50:51

Can someone translate the LP(?) with a “Consideration: $0.00″ for me?

Thanks…

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 08:30:56

notice of lis pendens

Filed by a lender, a lis pendens is the formal notice that starts the foreclosure process. Even though this is considered a pending lawsuit, the homeowner still has possession and the right to sell or refinance the property.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-05 08:47:30

So what’s keeping the bank from throwing her out?

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 09:12:23

“So what’s keeping the bank from throwing her out?”

Balance sheets and a massive inentory of homes for sale that would drive house prices into the ground?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-05 10:16:39

“Balance sheets and a massive inentory of homes for sale that would drive house prices into the ground”

Well, none of that is Lisa’s fault. They should thank her for taking care of the house until they’re ready for it.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-05 04:53:08

Bernanke Signals Pressure from Congress Wouldn’t Halt Additional Easing. (Bloomberg) By Scott Lanman - Oct 5, 2011

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke signaled he’ll push forward with further expansion of monetary stimulus if needed, resisting pressure from Republicans concerned that he’s fanning inflation.

Bernanke said yesterday in testimony to Congress’s Joint Economic Committee that the Fed is “prepared to take further action as appropriate” after using unconventional tools to boost growth in August and September. He rejected comments by Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina and Senator Mike Lee of Utah that record central bank stimulus has spun inflation and the money supply out of control.

Some Republicans are trying to remove the half of the Fed’s congressional mandate to achieve “maximum employment,” focusing it only on keeping inflation low. Representative Mick Mulvaney said the Fed chief could legitimately push ahead with more stimulus so long as he keeps price increases in check.

“Doing so, given his dual mandate, is completely defensible despite our objections,” Mulvaney, a first-term Republican who represents the town of Dillon, South Carolina, where Bernanke grew up, said in an interview after the hearing. “Because how are we supposed to say, ‘Look, inflation is killing us,’ when it’s not, yet?”

The Fed’s preferred price index, the personal consumption expenditures index, excluding food and fuel, rose 1.6 percent in August from a year earlier, up from 1 percent in March. The index including all prices rose 2.9 percent in August, compared with 2 percent in March.

Bernanke, 57, said in his testimony that price increases “have begun to moderate” after a jump in oil costs earlier this year resulted in higher prices for gasoline and food. Faster inflation this year “does not appear to have become ingrained in the economy,” he said, and cited a recent decline in what traders expect for inflation.

A measure of inflation expectations for five to 10 years out, based on a 2008 Fed research paper, declined to 2.16 percent on Sept. 30, the most recent date available, from 2.79 percent at the end of August.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-05 05:14:57

Coffee is on sale here for $8.98. It was $4.89 just a couple years ago. Thanks for boosting our GDP Uncle Ben, and for showing us that Less is More.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 05:27:39

“Coffee is on sale here for $8.98. It was $4.89 just a couple years ago.”

Food-stamp use triples as local despair grows

By Ana M. Valdes and Adam Playford
Palm Beach Post Staff Writers
Posted: 10:55 p.m. Monday, Oct. 3, 2011

BOYNTON BEACH — The load on the state’s safety net for Palm Beach County’s poorest families has tripled since the 2007, with staggering increases every year in the number of individuals using food stamps to feed their families.

In Palm Beach County, 161,250 of the county’s 1.3 million residents - 12.4 percent - received food stamps in August, close to 22,000 more than last year and triple the amount from August 2007, according to data from the state Department of Children and Families. The number of low-income, elderly and disabled people who received Medicaid through DCF has also steadily increased throughout the last four years, from 90,163 in August 2007 to 152,686 in August 2011.

Food stamp use grew faster in Palm Beach County than in Florida as a whole, though the state’s numbers more than doubled in four years, from 1.3 million in August 2007 to 3.2 million in August 2011.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/food-stamp-use-triples-as-local-despair-grows-1893730.html - 104k -

Comment by Al
2011-10-05 08:39:19

“… with staggering increases every year in the number of individuals using food stamps to feed their families.”

I see bread, but where are the circuses?

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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-10-05 10:02:01

The NFL is still on free TV, isn’t it?

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 10:09:39

The Circus? Circus Maximus?

Why, Wall St and Congress, of course.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-10-05 11:31:48

“The NFL is still on free TV, isn’t it?”

Only one early game unless you pay for the NFL network. These guys are shooting themselves in the foot.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 05:18:29

I am in control here.

– Alexander Haig

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-10-05 07:04:43

“We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.” - Barack Obama

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 10:45:39

These are not the Droids you’re looking for.

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Comment by oxide
2011-10-05 05:44:19

The private Fed has been bypassing Congress and making up money out of thin air for years (180 B for AIG!!!). Is this even Constitutional?

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-05 06:15:32

“Are you serious?!?”

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 10:13:45

Dog Sirius.

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Comment by Hard Rain
2011-10-05 05:10:58

“I’m going to be visiting the family up in Vermont.
Anyone know if the fall colors have peaked yet?”

Slim, unfortunately it’s a crummy year foliage wise in the NE. I’m headed up VT way today for a soccer game I’ll let you know ….

Comment by oxide
2011-10-05 05:50:26

Was just going to echo that. For good color you need the good weather: clear, dry, temps 50° –> 70°most days in September. The entire East Coast has been cloudy, rainy, and too warm since Irene. I expect brown leaves and a lousy fall this year. It’s been a lousy weather year altogether.

Even worse, the cold wet spring gave a lousy strawberry crop, and last weekend I learned that same rainy spring caused a lighter apple crop. The bees didn’t want to pollinate in the rain, leading to some very deprived apple blossoms which didn’t bear fruit. However, the early rain and brief but sunny June + July gave a spectacular crop of berries of all kinds.

Comment by Elanor
2011-10-05 09:19:42

Here in the Midwest we are having a week of glorious weather. The morning news just had to rain on the parade by infomring viewers that a long, snowy, cold winter like last year’s is expected.

 
 
Comment by CharlieTango
2011-10-05 06:55:35

Here in Mono County California we are getting a wet heavy snowfall.

The aspens and willows are still green, the aspens are drooped over and the willows are flat on the ground. This could be a fall without much color here.

And of course the satellite dish has a thick blanket on it as well.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-05 11:09:37

Slim here. Thank you, Hard Rain, for the update.

As for crummy foliage, I can deal with that. After all, at this time next week, I’ll be with my ever-wonderful Aunt Jean! Woo-hoo!

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 05:12:15

Real estate agent squatted in Laguna Beach home, client alleges
October 4, 2011 | 11:01 am

A Laguna Beach homeowner reported to police that she believed her real estate agent was squatting in her vacant home while the sale closed.

The woman reported on Sept. 25 that she and the Realtor who had helped her sell her Loretta Street home had a “falling out” during escrow, according to Laguna Beach Police Lt. Jason Kravetz.

She could not fire the real estate agent because she was contractually obligated to continue with the sale, Kravetz said.

The woman reported that documents that required her approval had forged signatures on them. After noticing this, she went to her home to retrieve a key from the lockbox, Kravetz said. It was when she arrived that she noticed that cable and gas were set up for the home, indicating someone was staying there.

She reported that she saw her real estate agent’s desk and chairs inside her home, indicating he may have been using her home as an office.

Detectives are investigating, Kravetz told the Coastline Pilot. Charges have not been filed.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/10/real-estate-agent-squatted-client-home.html - -

Comment by Montana
2011-10-05 06:26:38

reminds me of this dialogue from His Girl Friday, after the condemned man escapes.

reporter 1 - she thinks he’s hiding in her piazza..
reporet 2 - well tell her to stand up.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 05:24:51

I posted this article late yesterday; in case anyone missed it, it’s a bombshell! Just don’t take Michael Lewis at his word whenever he insinuates that nobody who works on Wall Street ever once committed a crime during the buildup to the financial crisis. Whether the extensive prevalence of fraud and deception, not to mention regulatory capture, makes the perpetrators too big to jail is another question entirely.

Business
November 2011
California and Bust

The smart money says the U.S. economy will splinter, with some states thriving, some states not, and all eyes are on California as the nightmare scenario. After a hair-raising visit with former governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who explains why the Golden State has cratered, Michael Lewis goes where the buck literally stops—the local level, where the likes of San Jose mayor Chuck Reed and Vallejo fire chief Paige Meyer are trying to avert even worse catastrophes and rethink what it means to be a society.

By Michael Lewis

Photograph by Art Streiber

ECONOMIC CYCLE Former California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in Santa Monica. To earn money when he first came to America, in 1968, he built brick walls nearby with fellow bodybuilder Franco Columbu.

Comment by rms
2011-10-05 07:34:28

The most important sentence:

“A color-coded map of American personal indebtedness could be laid on top of the Centers for Disease Control’s color-coded map that illustrates the fantastic rise in rates of obesity across the United States since 1985 without disturbing the general pattern.”

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-10-05 08:08:14

Interesting…

But why would those two correlate? Do they both represent a fundamental lack of self restraint and long-term thinking?

 
Comment by CrackerJim
2011-10-05 09:51:14

I would wager that the same overlay for personal indebtedness and obesity would coincide with color-coded map overlay of the highest population densities without disturbing the general pattern either.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-10-05 05:28:02

Today’s houses:

House 1: The walk-out basement

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3700-Kenway-St-Silver-Spring-MD-20906/37299403_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}

1955 4/2 on 0.18 acre Ranch with a walk-out lower level. I really don’t like the sloped ceiling in the living room. Pretty nice kitchen. Plenty of pix of STUFF all over the house, including munchkins. Once all the STUFF is gone, this could be cosmetically fixed into a family house in no time. (oh, but there’s a staircase to the front door.) Very overpriced.

Jun 2002: Zestimated $200K
Jan 2006: Sold $445K
Oct 2011: Listed $299. They’ll probably get $240 for this.

House 2: The Old Four-Square in Takoma Park

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7701-Takoma-Ave-Takoma-Park-MD-20912/37285622_zpid/#{scid=hdp-site-map-list-address}

1928 4/3 on 0.4 acre Huge lot for this part of the city. Nicely kept, and great painted (!) woodwork as was common for the time. Obviously the kitchen was never modernized. It’s small, has an unnecessary table, and the the fridge is stuck into an old pantry. I’ve walked by this house a few times. They cleaned a lot of junk out from under the wrap-around deck. Nice jump in price. I think this house could be lowballed and revamped a little back to its original splendor.

Aug 1967: Sold $28K
Jun 2002: Zestimated $559K
Oct 2011: Listed $895K

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 05:31:36

How The Financial Crisis Created A ‘New Third World’
Fresh Air from WHYY

After adopting the euro, Greece borrowed huge sums of money. The country is now on the brink of a major default. “They’re going to default … it’s now a question of how messy it will be,” says writer Michael Lewis. His new book Boomerang looks at Greece and four other places affected by the financial crisis.

October 4, 2011

Hedge fund manager Kyle Bass had made a fortune betting against the subprime mortgage market when it collapsed in 2008. And now Bass is set to make lots more — from a Greek default.

Bass’ story is chronicled in Michael Lewis’ latest book, Boomerang: The Meltdown Tour, which tells the stories of the fiscal recklessness in both Europe and the U.S. that led to the current debt crisis.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 05:44:41

Oct. 5, 2011, 12:01 a.m. EDT
Europe watches the elephants charge
Commentary: Europe’s leaders dither when decisive action is needed
By Jason O’Mahony

DUBLIN (MarketWatch) — History, the saying goes, is just one thing after another, and the same could be applied to Europe’s debt troubles, as the leaders of Europe stumble from one crisis to the next, save for one thing. They can see the crises coming.

It’s kind of like being on a family safari: There’s a herd of elephants charging towards you, but your young kids just love the cute elephants and if you shoot them they’ll never forgive you. Yet if you don’t shoot them, there’s a very good chance the elephants will trample both you and your whole family. Welcome to the choices facing the leaders of the European Union.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-10-05 06:46:12

Another clueless commentary
“…all bets are off unless the remaining members of the bloc calm the markets the only way they can, by merging into a de-facto fiscal and political (and German taxpayer funded) union”
Where exactly does Germany get the money from to save the rest of the world? Germany’s debt/GDP ratio is at 83% and climbing. That’s not counting the backstops and guarantees they made to the PIGS that will undoubtedly come due. Add another 15% to that ratio plus whatever they throw into the fire going forward.
If the author had any clue he would notice that German CDS have risen from 40 in July to 120 today and are climbing fast. Soon the credit downgrade will come. Germany might still have the chance to save themselves, but even that looks increasingly unlikely.
If a bunch of fiscally impaired entities merge into a “de-facto fiscal and political union” how is that going to help? If Illinois and California merge into Calinois, is that going to improve their fiscal position or calm the markets? I think not.

Comment by Al
2011-10-05 08:53:27

You’re missing the point Mike. Sure a combined EU will fail just the same as the individual parts would. But the process of the EU merging into a fiscal union will create confusion and for a time hide fiscal realities. That’s time during which CEOs will continue to collect big fat bonuses for doing God’s work.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-05 10:51:19

How do you say “kick the can” in Deutsch?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 05:45:48

Oct. 4, 2011, 10:00 a.m. EDT
Bernanke not optimistic about labor market
By Greg Robb

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - A close reading of recent economic data doesn’t show any hint of improvement ahead for the weak U.S. labor market, Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke said Tuesday. “Recent indictors, including new claims for unemployment insurance and surveys of hiring plans, point to the likelihood of more sluggish job growth in the period ahead,” Bernanke said in testimony prepared for the Joint Economic Committee of Congress.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 05:48:34

Just because it’s electronic doesn’t mean it can’t be a beneficiary.

MERS Wins Dismissal of 72 Lawsuits Challenging Mortgage Registry System
By Thom Weidlich - Oct 4, 2011 1:42 PM PT

Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems Inc. won dismissal of 72 lawsuits questioning the legality of its system for allowing banks to use it to register home loans.

U.S. District Judge James A. Teilborg in Phoenix, where the cases have been centralized, dismissed the litigation in an order yesterday. Teilborg rejected the homeowners’ claims that MERS is a “sham beneficiary” and that foreclosures based on MERS documents are invalid. The decision echoed a federal appeals court ruling last month that upheld an earlier holding of his.

“MERS serves as the beneficiary on plaintiffs’ deeds of trust, as the nominee or agent for ‘any valid note holder,’” Teilborg wrote.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 05:52:01

BofA, mortgage registration firm hit with lawsuit
SPOTLIGHT ON RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE
September 23, 2011|Margaret Cronin Fisk and James Sterngold, Bloomberg News

Bank of America Corp. is among a group of lenders that may face a wave of new lawsuits claiming the system they’ve used for more than a decade to register mortgages cheated cash-strapped counties out of millions of dollars.

District Attorney Craig Watkins of Dallas County, Texas, said state attorneys general and county officials across the United States have expressed interest in his lawsuit against Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems Inc. and Bank of America, filed in Texas state court on Wednesday. Dallas County could be owed as much as $100 million in filing fees, he said.

“This is a big new front,” said Christopher Peterson, associate dean and professor at the University of Utah S.J. Quinney College of Law. “This case is scary because if Dallas wins, then there are a lot of other counties around the country that are going to follow.”

Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, a unit of Merscorp Inc., says on its website that its aim is to place every mortgage in the country on an electronic, rather than a paper, system that allows members to buy and sell mortgages.

The registration system acts as the lender’s nominee and remains the mortgagee of record as long as the note promising repayment is owned by a system member. Dallas County contends this allows banks to buy and sell loans without properly recording transfers with counties and paying the fee.

Comment by oxide
2011-10-05 06:11:27

Interesting articles, Prof Bear! In the Phoenix case, the plantiff was borrowers, and the court decided that MERS is indeed the deed and the borrowers are still on the hook (at least that’s my reading of it). In Dallas, the states and the counties want to be the plaintiff, and sue for the fees. At least that way somebody other than a rigged computer can keep track.

If anything is a fault for the housing bubble, it’s the invention of the computer. Making a living by throwing numbers back and forth is just unnatural. It worries me that the “deed” for a multi-thousand appreciating asset is a few wiggly electrons. It ought to be an engraved fireproof brick or something.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:21:05

‘It worries me that the “deed” for a multi-thousand appreciating asset is a few wiggly electrons.’

How does an electronic helicopter drop of $4t or so Bernanke bucks make you feel?

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-05 06:24:08

It’s hard to see any reason that Dalas should lose this claim. It would stick a fork in the banks.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:27:12

“It would stick a fork in the banks.”

Somebody ought to get it over and done with…

 
Comment by polly
2011-10-05 08:28:58

I don’t think they have a leg to stand on. This thing is going to fail. As long as “someone” (a legal entity or natural person) is the owner of the note, then the county requirements have been fulfilled. The transfers that MERS records are not transfers of actual ownership; they are transfers of beneficial ownership. As long as that beneficial owner doesn’t want to do something that requires it to interact with the county (like foreclose) there is no reason that the transfer of beneficial ownership isn’t enough.

Do you really think that the county can claim it has the right to force MERS to keep the money from the payments on the loans - that it can’t make private arrangements to pay that money to others in a manner consitent with contracts it has with those others? Well, that what this lawsuit is asking for - a huge restriction on the ability of private parties to create contractual arrangements.

The county can and should require that ownership be properly transfered before a third party can carry out a foreclosure - that is what the law says. But that is about it.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-05 09:09:44

“The county can and should require that ownership be properly transfered before a third party can carry out a foreclosure…”

That requirement alone seems to be enough to stymie the banks.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-05 13:59:47

This is a little confusing. I imagine that not only the new owner of the property but also the lien holder are required to register with the county and pay a fee. So, are you saying that it is only the “owner” who owes a fee and never the lien holder? If the party that writes the paper stays the legal lien holder after they sell the mortgage, then why is it so difficult for them to foreclose? Do F&F have to register and pay a fee when they buy a mortgage? Are they actual owners of the lien or merely beneficiaries?

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Comment by polly
2011-10-05 14:45:13

Skye - write up your question and post it tomorrow? I’m not sure which part of my explanation you don’t understand.

But just quickly, my understanding is that MERS is needed for securitization because of the priority of the tranches of the bonds. The lowest level of bonds (who get a higher interest rate) are supposed to get the first losses while the highest level are protected from any losses untill the other bond holders have absorbed all they can (lost all their capital). Well, you don’t know at the start which mortgages are actually going to default. You certainly don’t know the order in which it will happen. So you can’t assign the actual ownership of notes to real live bond holders until mortgages get paid off (through refinancing or whatever) or stop paying, or whatever other event was defined in the debentures. The creation of levels of safety in the bonds requires that the actual ownership not be assigned until something happens.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-05 14:55:30

maybe I get it. The MBS stuff is just a lien on the lien and not a transfer of who has a lien on the actual house?

 
Comment by polly
2011-10-05 17:23:05

Exactly. The actual lien holder is the trust that issued the bonds. In the normal course of business, they own it until it pays off for whatever reason. The only issue is if there is a foreclosure. I’m not sure that it even needs to transfer in the event of a foreclosure. Do counties require the beneficial ownership and legal ownership belong to the same person? The servicer acting as an agent of the trust as the legal owner could still do the foreclosure and send any proceeds to the proper bond holders.

The real problem has been that no one thought they would need to get hold of the original documents. Who needs to foreclose in a world where holding a propery for a few months leaves you with so much new equity that getting a cash out refi takes less paperwork than going to a new dentist? Not keeping track of paper is a lot cheaper than keeping track of paper, so that is what they did. Oops. My guess is that a lot of the paper got lost early in the process - transfers from the originator to the investment bank or the trust. And perhaps not all of those original transfers got recorded properly. And that is a problem. The notes had to get properly transferred to the trust or the bonds have nothing legally backing them.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 05:54:26

Law Firms Descend on Florida to Take Over Foreclosure Business

The new law firms are being handed 3,500 to 5,000 transfer files at $1,200 to $1,400 per file, according to a legal headhunter

Julie Kay
Daily Business Review
October 05, 2011

Law firms from throughout the country have opened offices in Florida to capture foreclosure business abandoned by the Law Offices of David J. Stern and Ben-Ezra & Katz in the wake of investigations into possible foreclosure fraud.

The largest of the new firms is Atlanta-based McCalla Raymer, which has four Florida offices, including one in downtown Fort Lauderdale. McCalla Raymer has about 21 attorneys in Florida and is one of a handful of firms under contract to Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac in Florida.

The new Florida firms have taken over files from Stern and Ben-Ezra Katz, once two of the largest foreclosure firms in Florida. They left tens of thousands of foreclosure files up for grabs after they withdrew from the foreclosure business following allegations of “robo-signing” and other improper or sloppy handling of residential foreclosures and after being terminated by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 05:55:54

5 October 2011 Last updated at 07:14 ET
Greece hit by new 24-hour general strike over austerity

Some scuffles broke out in Syntagma Square, central Athens

A 24-hour general strike is under way in Greece in protest at the nation’s austerity measures.

Flights and ferry services have been cancelled, schools, government offices and tourist sites closed, and hospitals are working with reduced staff.

At least 16,000 people have joined protests organised by the main unions in central Athens.

The European Commission is discussing ways of propping up banks in Europe to protect them from the Greek crisis.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 05:57:44

3 October 2011 Last updated at 19:01 ET

Joseph Stiglitz: Austerity not the way to go for Europe
Viewpoint by Joseph Stiglitz Professor at Columbia University

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:02:14

Occupy Wall Street protest drawing thousands of dollars in donations as sit-in enters third week
BY Jennifer Cunningham and Christina Boyle
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Wednesday, October 5th 2011, 4:00 AM

Occupy Wall Street protesters wake up and start their day in their encampment in Zucotti Park as people walk to work through the park Tuesday morning.
David Handschuh/News

Occupy Wall Street’s pockets are beginning to bulge.

Cash donations are pouring in from around the globe as the grass-roots campaign for social change enters its third week.

Approximately $35,000 has been sent to the masses, camped in lower Manhattan since the protest started Sept. 17, protesters say.

Another $30,000 was collected by the fund-raising website Kickstarter, which enabled the group to produce 50,000 copies of a newspaper called The Occupied Wall Street Journal on Saturday.

“[The donations] are coming from everywhere,” said Cooper Union student Victoria Sobel, 21, a core member of the finance committee managing the funds.

“I’m sure we’re on the cusp of much larger donations.”

Comment by Bub Diddley
2011-10-05 06:25:48

I sent ‘em a little bit. I’ve got a job and live thousands of miles away, no way I could be there myself, but I thought I could kick in a little for some pizza. I’m sure a lot of the folks contributing are like me - sympathetic but unable to attend themselves.

 
Comment by polly
2011-10-05 08:32:13

They really should call them gifts, not donations. When people hear “donation” they think about charities and it being tax deductible.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-05 11:15:02

Excellent point, polly.

Of course, we HBB-ers who’d be interested in sending money wouldn’t be expecting a receipt for tax deduct-ability. We’d just consider it a gift and go on our merry way.

But, then again, that’s why we’re HBB-ers.

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2011-10-05 14:54:33

I had genuine hope that this movement would learn from the mistakes of the TeaParty and not let itself get co-opted by political opportunists. For four weeks now, they’ve done a good job of staying amorphous and committed to furthering the national dialogue without resorting to partisan ideology.

Unfortunately, it looks like Big Labor has moved in and begun redefining the conversation, thus ensuring that instead of Occupy Wall Street merging with the TeaParty (which at its inception held many if not most of the same grievances against the Wall Street oligarchy,) to form an effective counterweight to the banksters, this latest effort will simply serve as an arm of the Democratic Party in opposition to the Karl Rove/Koch corporatists who took over the TeaParty for the Palin ‘pubs.
And nothing will change except the players.

Divide and Conquer.
Sigh.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-10-05 15:15:36

After their reply to Rangel I still have some hope, even if Big Labor does their best to divert things in a less productive direction. Who knows, maybe we’ll have to go through several cycles of this before the rabblerousers can dial in on how to avoid being co-opted.

I do wish the youngsters with the Castro-wannabe look would think about modifying their appearance to be more palatable to middle America. I know it goes against their nature, but it would really help their cause. I know I’d take a lot more notice of an Occupy movement made up of mostly silent people who looked like they could work at the place they are occupying.

Comment by ahansen
2011-10-05 16:40:18

It’s difficult to look “legitimate” without shelter, shower, laundry facilities, etc. How many of these unemployed young people can afford a room at the Carlyle every night of the occupation?

Few of the still-employed are in a position to take an extended break, pay for transportation, food, and lodging so the movement looks more palatable to the middle class they’re trying to save. The whole point is “we cannot afford it.”

These are our kids. More to the point, they are the ones who will be paying for our social security (whatever form that may take,) pensions. Maybe we should don our suits and join them?

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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-10-06 08:07:00

I understand what happens after a few days in field conditions. I’m just saying if you show up clean shaven in professional clothing, it gives a much different impression than if you show up looking like a young Fidel Castro. It’s a cultural thing. Yeah, after a couple of weeks everybody would be better off in cargo shorts and t-shirts but I’d still recommend shaving when possible. Middle American makes really bad associations with wild-bearded young men.

I agree that we should join them if possible, in order to give the crowd a more neutral look. I’m just judging based on the initial pictures from the first weekend.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:05:10

Report: Fannie Mae Looked The Other Way On Robo-Signing
Agency may have been warned eight years ago
10/04/2011 | Mark Huffman | ConsumerAffairs.com

PhotoA year ago, when it was revealed that some large mortgage companies were violating the law by employing “robo-signers” to process mortgage documents, it was a huge scandal. The attorneys general of the 50 states are currently trying to reach a settlement with the major players involved in the scheme.

But the Inspector General of the Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) has issued a report saying the abuses began a lot earlier than previously thought and that Fannie Mae knew about it but didn’t act.

In February, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD) requested the Inspector General to examine “widespread allegations of abuse by … law firms hired to process foreclosures as part of” the RAN, and Fannie Mae’s and FHFA’s efforts “to investigate these allegations and implement corrective action.”

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-10-05 06:06:05

Double dip or one super dip?

Heavy cutbacks in the military.

2012 is going to be a landslide…

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September Layoffs Highest in Two Years
Fox News| October 5th, 2011

The number of planned layoffs at U.S. firms in September jumped to its highest in more than two years due to heavy cutbacks by the military and Bank of America, a private report Wednesday showed.

Employers announced 115,730 planned job cuts last month, more than double August’s total of 51,114, according to the report from consultants Challenger, Gray & Christmas, Inc.

Comment by combotechie
2011-10-05 06:41:22

“… heavy cutbacks by the military …”

Look for the military to cut from their ranks tens of thousands of lifers who are just a few years short of their pensions.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-10-05 08:10:26

You mean all of the thirty-somethings?

Comment by ahansen
2011-10-05 21:50:54

LOL. Nice, if.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-05 08:13:15

From what I have heard, they do that all the time.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-05 11:21:21

Happened in a big way after the Gulf War. Military downsizing prematurely ended a lot of armed forces careers.

Case in point: One of my friends is a former F-15 pilot. After the Gulf War, in which he wasn’t called up to fight, he figured that his career was on borrowed time.

He lasted until 1997, when he didn’t get promoted to full bird colonel. So, he retired after 24 years in the USAF.

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Comment by Montana
2011-10-05 15:23:53

but at least he got his 20 years in. I heard of guys getting cut after 17, 13 years.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:07:29

Published: Oct. 4, 2011 Updated: 9:50 p.m.
Calif. prosecutor: Lenders won’t get off easy
By JEFF COLLINS / THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

A proposed $20 billion settlement to compensate homeowners for the foreclosure robo-signing scandal was “nowhere near” adequate, California Attorney General Kamala Harris told reporters Tuesday.

And Harris said that there’s also a possibility that banking officials could face prosecution if an ongoing investigation uncovers criminal activity.

Harris held a conference call to explain her reasons for pulling out last week from multi-state settlement talks with the nation’s leading mortgage servicers.

“We decided to walk an independent path,” Harris said. “Generally speaking the terms being discussed and offered did not provide a fair deal for California.”

Attorneys general from all 50 states had been in talks for the past year with five major banks — Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Citigroup and Ally Financial. A deal had been considered imminent for several months.

But a growing rebellion by a number of state prosecutors, most notably New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, have thrown the multi-state settlement talks into turmoil and raised the specter of their collapse.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:09:17

Diane Keaton’s former home drops $1.5M
October 4th, 2011, 1:50 pm
posted by KELLI HART KEHLER, THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

An oceanfront home for sale in North Laguna Beach that formerly belonged to actress Diane Keaton has seen a price reduction, according to the Southern California MLS.

The home perched above Shaws Cove is now listed for $8.499 million – which is a $489,000 reduction from its previous list price and a $1.499 million drop from its initial list price.

Located at 989 Cliff Drive, the mission-style beach residence features 5 bedrooms, 4.5 bathrooms, 4,041 square feet of living space on a 12,500-square-foot lot and ocean views. It was built in 1928, so it definitely has character.

Here’s the listing description:

Early California Mission Style Villa defines the ambiance of Cliff Drive – http://www. 989CliffDriveLaguna. com – contours the oceanfront bluffs with an architecturally rich sense of history. Commanding a unique seaside location overlooking picturesque ‘Shaws Cove’ this significant home has private steps to the sand. The magnificent estate is comprised of various wings that provide a dynamic quality. Previously celebrity owned and offering tastefully appointed interior spaces and an elegant ‘Hollywood’ appeal. The floor plan is perfect for entertaining with multiple dining areas and a graceful indoor-outdoor flow. Well appointed kitchen overlooks lush gardens, beamed ceilings, hardwood floors, and oceanfront terraces. Private sand-side boat storage.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:10:58

Jennifer Lopez tones down her va-va-voom to play a frumpy real estate agent in new film
By Amelia Proud
Last updated at 12:14 PM on 23rd September 2011

She’s easily one of the most consistently glamorous and sexy celebrities of the last decade.

But Jennifer Lopez looked prissy in unappetising ecru on the set of her new movie Parker in Palm Beach, Florida today.

The 42-year-old actress, who plays an estate agent in the movie, looked almost frumpy in the unflattering blouse and slightly kinder pencil skirt, teamed with tame kitten heels.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:13:08

RAL?

Beware of real estate agents’ latest trick

The Daily Telegraph
October 04, 2011 10:00AM

* Virtual furniture added to home ads
* Practice not illegal
* “Not something potential buyers appreciate”

Can you spot it? This home has been “virtually furnished”. Picture: Top Snap Property Photography Professionals

IT has long been known in real estate circles that when it comes to house sales, selling the dream is as important as price and location.

And with that in mind, many estate agents believe adding a few fine furnishings can be just enough to get a wavering buyer over the line.

But with prices flat - or even going backward in some areas - many owners can’t afford to buy or hire furniture to spruce up their homes.

So agents are turning to computer trickery to try to get buyers interested - by adding “virtual furniture”.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-05 09:40:49

So agents are turning to computer trickery to try to get buyers interested - by adding “virtual furniture”.

Hey, eyes bet “virtual 500 year oaks & walnut trees” might add “forward looking” value! :-)

Location! Location! Location! + Potential! Potential! Potential! = Hurry! Hurry! Hurry!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-05 11:22:49

Not hard to spot at all. The shadows under the furniture are way too sharp and dark.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-10-05 12:39:13

This whole article is s-o-o-o-o-o 2005. The only buyers left probably don’t respond well to such propaganda.

 
 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-05 06:13:34

Walter Williams runs the numbers and finds today’s young people won’t be so lucky in the S.S. dept:

“The very first Social Security check went to Ida May Fuller in 1940. She paid just $24.75 in Social Security taxes but collected a total of $22,888.92 in benefits, getting back all she put into Social Security in a month. According to a Congressional Research Service report titled “Social Security Reform” (October 2002), by Geoffrey Kollmann and Dawn Nuschler, workers who retired in 1980 at age 65 got back all they put into Social Security, plus interest, in 2.8 years. Workers who retired at age 65 in 2002 will have to wait a total of 16.9 years to break even. For those retiring in 2020, it will take 20.9 years. Workers entering the labor force today won’t live long enough to get back even half of what they will put into Social Security. Social Security faces Ponzi’s problem, not enough new ‘investors.’ In 1940, there were 160 workers paying into Social Security per retiree; today there are only 2.9 and falling.”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-05 07:07:07

Remove the regressive income cap and the problems go away.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-10-05 07:16:06

And that’s why, despite protestations to the contrary, SS is a Ponzi scheme. From the early entrants getting far more than they put in, to today’s 50-somethings who will just about break even, to today’s 20-somethings who are being hosed.

Comment by Mike
2011-10-05 08:18:20

Of course it’s not a Ponzi scheme. Do you think the SS admin just takes half off the top and throws it in a fire? The tax is collected and the tax is spent. Yes, not each and every person gets back exactly what they put in. Boo hoo. (I’m sure the idea of private insurance infuriates you as well.)

 
Comment by Al
2011-10-05 10:29:04

I’d be more inclined to call it a pyramid scam than a Ponzi scheme. I’d call it a legitimate insurance program if it had been regularily revised to reflect changing population growth rates and life expectancies.

 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 11:14:06

Where do they get these numbers? Gen Y & X are FAR larger than the boomers. Gen Y alone is bigger than the boomers.

You are being lied to, people.

 
Comment by Bill near tampa
2011-10-05 12:35:39

This seems like BS. I retired a few years ago. I put in roughly $100K and am getting back roughly $20K per year. This is a 5 year payback, not 16.9+ years. Where does this Walter Williams get his information ? Or is he just making it up ?

Comment by The_Overdog
2011-10-05 13:52:37

You’re $100k is an interst free loan you gave to the gov’t? If you added in a reasonable rate of return over the 40 years you worked, then it would be higher.

For example, $100k over 30 years (assuming an even $3250 per year for simplicity’s sake to get to $100k total) at 4% per year would be $145k, making the total owed to you $245k.

$245k / $20k per year ~ 12 years

It’s longer if you worked for 40 years.

Comment by The_Overdog
2011-10-05 13:54:39

The $145k would be the compounded interest + $100k in straight cash homie taken from your paycheck, and you’re should be your.

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Comment by polly
2011-10-05 15:02:38

It is not appropriate to assume a flat $3250 per year. People generally have increasing salary over their careers, so the amount paid in early is much lower. In addition, the amount of income taxed has gone up over the years, which matters if you make over the maximum amount. I’m not sure the last time the rate went up, so not sure if that matters in this time frame. Also, in most years SS recipients get a COLA, so the amount may increase from $20K a year.

On the other hand…

Bill, did you include your employer’s half of the SS payment? People who try to make points like this often include that in their analysis as they assume the employee would somehow have been able to get that extra pay if the employer hadn’t been paying it into SS. Yeah, good luck with that one over the past decade or two. And is $20K the size of your check? I believe you are paying your Medicare premiums out of that check, so that is also money you are receiving, though it never makes it to your bank account.

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Comment by The_Overdog
2011-10-06 07:45:32

I think I did a fair analysis by using 30 years instead of the longer 40+, and by using 4% instead of 6%, which is i believe what SS actually aims for.

In any case, I just redid it, and with $1700 the first 10 years, $3250 the 2nd 10, and $5000 the final 10, still aiming for $100k, the final amount is even more.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Bill near tampa
2011-10-06 21:21:45

This so late probably nobody will see it, but:

Most of my social security was paid being self employed. So I paid both ends. If I’d have been an employee, I’d have gotten the same SS but would have paid in even less. So the payback time would have been reduced even more.

Yes, there’s the time value of money which works the other way–to increase the actual apparent amount paid in since you could have invested the money. I agree with this, but remember that all that interest would have been taxable, so not all available.

Another factor is that most years I paid the maximum amount of social security. Someone who paid only 50% of what I did would have gotten more than 50% of my social security. The government keeps this little fact under wraps. This also reduces the payback time for most people.

Oh, and if i’d died the payback time would be infinity. No payback ever.

I skipped all these details in my post to keep things simple.

In any case, the 16.9 years still seems ridiculous.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:15:27

Rich and famous are mere mortals in soft real estate market
By Gary Strauss, USA TODAY
Updated 4d 16h ago

Like many homeowners selling in a stubbornly depressed market, Candy Spelling didn’t get her asking price.

Candy and Aaron Spelling’s mansion was on the market for 28 months.
File photo by Mark J. Terrill, AP

Her 14-bedroom, 57,000-square-foot mansion in the Holmby Hills section of west Los Angeles was on the market for 28 months — at $150 million, the priciest private home ever listed in the United States. Spelling eventually accepted $85 million from Petra Ecclestone, the 22-year-old daughter of British billionaire Bernie Ecclestone.

If Spelling is feeling seller’s remorse unloading The Manor, she is hiding it well. “At the time it was listed, $130 million was the bottom line. If market conditions had been better, maybe I would have gotten more,” says Spelling, who pocketed another $6 million from Ecclestone on artwork and furnishings after closing the sale this summer.

Comment by ahansen
2011-10-05 22:36:51

People.

A 22-year-old girl bought the house for 91 MILLION DOLLARS.
Let me repeat that:

A 22-year-old girl bought the house for 91 MILLION DOLLARS. And when she “retires” she’ll be eligible for Social Security.

This is why so many 22-year-olds are sleeping on Wall Street tonight.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:19:03

ECONOMY
OCTOBER 5, 2011

Housing’s Job Engine Falters

Employment Lost in Property Crash Weighs on the Economy’s Chance of Recovery
By S. MITRA KALITA

HAGERSTOWN, Md.—Joshua Bradley says it was the easiest job he ever had: power-washing windows of new suburban houses. Then, about three years ago, business dried up and he found himself out of work.

“People don’t want to get anything done to their houses anymore,” says Mr. Bradley, 28 years old. “They do it themselves to save money.”

His experience wasn’t unusual.

Over the past decade, the housing market has been a powerful engine: It helped the U.S. economy out of a recession and created jobs as construction firms took on workers and new homeowners hired contractors to decorate rooms and maintain the lawns, or purchased new furniture for indoors and outdoors.

But today, as the sector endures a prolonged slump, many of the jobs it created are gone, and housing has now become part of what many economists see as a vicious circle that has left the wider economy struggling to gain altitude. Americans aren’t spending because their home values are declining and employment prospects are dimming, and housing and employment is struggling because Americans won’t spend.

“People are losing their jobs and never getting equivalent jobs,” says Yale University economist Robert Shiller. “That fear is spooking everyone, so people aren’t in a mood to expand.”

Comment by combotechie
2011-10-05 06:28:10

Still another sign of the deflationary spiral we are falling into.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-10-05 07:30:40

But they’re still painting it as a cause, when historically it was largely an effect on the economy.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-05 07:01:58

What’s with all the worry about jobs. These guys already have it figured out:

‘On GPS this week, we explore the most important topic (the economy) with the most important economic voices. Fareed Zakaria talks to Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman and Former IMF Chief Economist Ken Rogoff.’

‘Ken Rogoff: Infrastructure spending, if it were well-spent, that’s great. I’m all for that. I’d borrow for that, assuming we’re not paying Boston Big Dig kind of prices for the infrastructure.’

‘Fareed Zakaria: But even if you were, wouldn’t John Maynard Keynes say that if you could employ people to dig a ditch and then fill it up again, that’s fine, they’re being productively employed, they’ll pay taxes, so maybe Boston’s Big Dig was just fine after all.’

‘Paul Krugman: Think about World War II, right? That was actually negative social product spending, and yet it brought us out.’

‘I mean, probably because you want to put these things together, if we say, “Look, we could use some inflation.” Ken and I are both saying that, which is, of course, anathema to a lot of people in Washington but is, in fact, what basic logic says.’

‘It’s very hard to get inflation in a depressed economy. But if you had a program of government spending plus an expansionary policy by the Fed, you could get that. So, if you think about using all of these things together, you could accomplish a great deal.’

‘If we discovered that space aliens were planning to attack and we needed a massive buildup to counter the space alien threat and really inflation and budget deficits took secondary place to that, this slump would be over in 18 months. And then if we discovered, oops, we made a mistake, there aren’t any aliens, we’d be better –’

‘Ken Rogoff: And we need Orson Welles, is what you’re saying.’

‘Paul Krugman: No, there was a Twilight Zone episode like this in which scientists fake an alien threat in order to achieve world peace. Well, this time…we need it in order to get some fiscal stimulus.’

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/12/gps-this-sunday-krugman-calls-for-space-aliens-to-fix-u-s-economy/

That’s right, a Nobel Prize winner and Former IMF Chief Economist. These are the types of people making decisions about our economic future.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-10-05 07:18:53

Well there ya go…

‘Paul Krugman: Think about World War II, right? That was actually negative social product spending, and yet it brought us out.’

He means out of the depression. My mother angrily disagreed whenever I made that point.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 08:42:22

‘Paul Krugman: Think about World War II, right? That was actually negative social product spending, and yet it brought us out.’

I guess if a Nobel Prize winner espouses the Broken Window Fallacy, it must be true?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-05 10:02:56

Broken Window Gov’t Bridge Fallacy

So, the $timulus bridge built to move “Island city’s” citizen good$ to other market$ is de$tructive to the citizen’s purse pocket coin$. Moreover, the $timulus ship harbor is also a de$tructive impediment, likewise the $timulus hydro-dam, the $timulus railroad, the $timulus highway, the $timulus education promotions, etc. etc. etc.

Foghorn: “Okay, I’ll shut up. Some fellas have to keep their tongues flappin’ but not me. I was brought up right. My pa used to tell me to shut up and I’d shut up. I wouldn’t say nothin’. One time darn near starved to death. WOULDN’T TELL HIM I WAS HUNGRY!!” :-)

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Comment by cactus
2011-10-05 09:26:53

That’s right, a Nobel Prize winner and Former IMF Chief Economist. These are the types of people making decisions about our economic future.

Space aliens of course

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 11:33:25

That’s just scary right there.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-05 11:25:57

oshua Bradley says it was the easiest job he ever had: power-washing windows of new suburban houses. Then, about three years ago, business dried up and he found himself out of work.

“People don’t want to get anything done to their houses anymore,” says Mr. Bradley, 28 years old. “They do it themselves to save money.”

Oh, for the love of mercy. Power washing windows? Good grief! It’s not *that* hard to do it yourself.

Speaking of which, window washing is what I do to kick off spring cleaning around here. It’s easy because this is a one-story house that has removable window sliders. (I had those put in a few years ago.)

I enjoy window washing because it gets me outside, I can splash around in water, and I can toss the dirty soapy water on the plants. And the windows look so nice after I’m done.

 
 
Comment by Bub Diddley
2011-10-05 06:22:28

Reasons to be glad you’re a renter, #1643:

My fridge woke me up this morning making some kinda loud whirring noise that it’s never made before. Whatever it is, it can’t be good.

Whatever the problem is, glad I get to just call the landlord to fix it.

Still working for now - but for how long? I don’t want to lose all this food.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:28:53

Reason #1644: Gopher digs up our front lawn about once a week. Sometimes we call the landlady, other times we just ignore the situation.

Comment by jim
2011-10-05 07:07:16

Reason #1645: Free pet gopher.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 08:44:16

Reason #1646: Landlady gets to keep pet gopher when you move away.

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Comment by stewie
2011-10-05 12:48:36

Sandy:(Thick, Scottish accent) “I want you to kill every gopher on the golf course!”

Carl: “Correct me if I’m wrong Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers, they’re gonna lock me up and throw away the key.”

Sandy: “Not golfers, you great fool! Gophers! The little, brown, furry, rodents!”

Carl: “We can do that; we don’t even have to have a reason. All right, let’s do the same thing, but with gophers!”

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-05 10:58:51

Back in the days when we rented (houses, not apts) the house never came with a fridge.

Comment by polly
2011-10-05 13:06:40

In the “how bright is your realtor” department, I once started looking at places in the Jersey City area. The realtor took me to one place and as she was describing its charms, she pointed to a rather empty spot in the kitchen and said that a stackable washer/dryer would be great there. I looked around for a second and asked, “where is the refrigerator?”

Yup, she was suggesting a washer/dryer get put in the spot meant for the fridge. This woman did not show me a single place that met the criteria I gave her. And we had not yet talked about prices, so it wasn’t like she couldn’t find what I wanted at a particular price point. She just didn’t understand such difficult concepts as “close to the train.”

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-10-05 12:46:16

Reason I want to be a buyer:

ONE month of PITI payment compared to my rent payment will save me enough $$ for a brand new refrigerator and all the food in it.

The next couple months would re-sod the lawn.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:38:38

Oct. 5, 2011, 12:00 a.m. EDT
Don’t clamor for a euro rescue; demand a breakup
Commentary: Sure it would be expensive, but it would work
By Matthew Lynn

LONDON (MarketWatch) — Every week brings a fresh twist to the euro crisis. One day the Greeks are frantically negotiating more loans so the government can meet its wage bill at the end of the month. The next, the Spanish bond market is on the edge of collapse. The week after, Italian debt yields soar as Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi gets himself caught up in yet another excruciating sex scandal. This saga has more episodes than an afternoon soap opera — and plot lines that are often about as plausible.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:40:45

Transforming Vacant & Foreclosed Homes
Oct. 4, 2011
Non-profit Builders of Hope is transforming vacant and foreclosed homes into affordable and environmentally conscious dwellings. Founder Nancy Welsh discusses on Lunch Break.

 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-05 06:41:37

~ In my fair state not only do the pensioners want current state workers to pay more. The greedy self-centered SOB’s want every taxpayer to pay more.

S.C. pension fund
Retirees: Put burden on workers, taxpayers
Plan would have both groups pay more to address deficit.
By ADAM BEAM - abeam@thestate.com

State retirees want taxpayers and current state employees to pay more to fix the S.C. retirement system according to a plan presented to House lawmakers.

That’s according to a plan the retirees presented Tuesday to House lawmakers.

The state retirement system owes about $42 billion in pension benefits to its 458,000 current and retired employees and their beneficiaries, but only has about $25 billion to pay them – a debt so large and growing that accountants project the state never will be able to pay it off unless changes are made.

Accounting rules require pensions to be able to pay off their debts in 30 years or less. Anything larger – and it would take South Carolina between 35 years and 64 years to pay off the pension debts, according to two projections – could affect the state’s credit rating, costing taxpayers millions of dollars more if the state has to borrow in the future.

House and Senate lawmakers have been meeting for weeks to figure out how to fix the pension problem.

Comment by Insurance Guy
2011-10-05 13:23:06

Those are such huge numbers for such a little state as South Carolina. No way we can pay for that.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:42:35

Amy Hoak’s Home Economics Archives
Oct. 5, 2011, 12:01 a.m. EDT
Mortgage rates plunge beyond expectations
Plus, why low rates don’t translate into a spike in home sales

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 06:43:42

Oct. 4, 2011, 4:55 p.m. EDT
Auer: Greek default could set off a rally

Despite a late-day rally driven by news from Europe, the region’s debt problems aren’t going away anytime soon, says Bob Auer, portfolio manager of the Auer Growth Fund. He tells MarketWatch Radio’s Larry Kofsky “there’s going to be a lot more haggling and probably a lot more pain and you’ll probably actually have to see Greece default because no one is really willing to take the hard medicine.” But, if Greece does default, “very soon, if not actually as they are defaulting, I could see the market rally.”

Comment by 2banana
2011-10-05 07:13:24

Until Italy defaults?

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-05 11:00:47

Or Spain or Portugal?

Maybe Keynes should have said “In the long run, we’re all defaulters”?

 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-05 06:51:24

Realtors Are Liars®

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-05 07:11:04

For ArizonaSlim

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-04 18:10:32
AZ…. as a conneisseur of NY pizza(the only pizza), Mrs and I have made a hobby out of chasing the elusive NY pizza taste, texture and flavah. It took us 10 years of experimentation and observation to perfect it.

Here’s the deal….

Dough- Save yourself the grief and get dough at your favorite pizza joint, $3. You’ll never make a dough like a good pizza shop can. Someone stated it’s all in the dough and they’re right. Any pan will work but we make our best pizza on a well seasoned clay plate…. Important- *use cornmeal!* before you lay the dough into the pan. It actually pops during cooking and gives the crust a crisper texture and helps to brown. Obviously it must be thin. Don’t use a roller or it will be thick, doughy and won’t come out right. You have to pull the dough. Watch a guy make a pizza if you don’t know what I mean.

Sauce- This is a tough one as it is entirely personal preference but generally, sauce on a NY pizza is a slightly sweetened marinara. That’s it. You don’t add extra stuff. Straight marinara slightly sweetened with maybe a half teaspoon of sugar. It will taste too tart without the tiny bit of sugar.Too much sugar and it will taste like catsup.

Mozzarell- If you can find Grande, use it. Most NY pizza joints use it. Otherwise, get a low skim, low moisture cheese. About 8 oz for a full sized pie. Too much and you’ll ruin it.

Romano- This cheese is important. It’s a full flavor dry cheese that’s simply used for flavor in this case. Too much and it will overpower. Grind it fine and spread sparingly after the sauce but before the mozzarell. Once you develop a taste for romano, you’ll be mixing it in your coffee. j/k. Locatelli is a good romano. Avoid that sawdust $hit in a shaker can at all costs!!!

That’s it.. no more ingredients. Why everyone loads pizza with junk I don’t know but stuff like oregano doesn’t belong on pizza. You want the oven burners on full bore, bottom burner only. Get the pizza no more than say 4 in. away from burner. The trick is to get the dough to rise and then to brown. Keep oven door open an inch or so or the ambient temp will brown the cheese and it will taste burnt. Baking should take no more than say 15 minutes max. Every 3 minutes or so, brush the crust with olive oil and shake on garlic salt. Monitor bottom of crust with flashlight. Pull it out once it turns begins to turn golden brown.

Voila…. NY pizza. Takes time and practice but it’s alot of fun getting there if you like to make good food. Once you master it, it will take longer to cool off than it will to put it together.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-05 11:28:12

Thanks so much!

 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-10-05 08:18:16

‘Depression’ Makes Return to Mainstream Lexicon
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44782492

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 08:24:36

Services data stir euro recession worry
By Mark Felsenthal and Jonathan Cable
WASHINGTON/LONDON | Wed Oct 5, 2011 11:09am EDT

(Reuters) - The euro zone’s services sector shrank for the first time in two years last month as new orders dried up, stoking fears that the region’s economy could be heading back into recession, surveys showed on Wednesday.

A downturn that began in smaller members of the 17-nation bloc has hit the core, and survey compiler Markit said the latest figures suggest the region’s economy will contract in the fourth quarter unless business and consumer confidence rallies.

“We can’t rule out the possibility of recession in the coming quarters. Combined with the global slowdown you have the main growth engine of the euro zone economy, Germany, stuttering,” said Jeavon Lolay, head of global research at Lloyds Banking Group.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 08:29:01

October 5, 2011 7:41 AM

Reinforcements to bolster Wall St. protests

Occupy Wall Street protesters join Verizon employees who are picketing in front of a Verizon office in New York, Oct. 4, 2011. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig)

NEW YORK - The protests on Wall Street, the fabled center of American commerce, are expected to swell with reinforcements as more groups head toward lower Manhattan Wednesday.

Among those planning to join the clamor are the liberal group MoveOn.org and community organizations like the Working Families Party and United NY. The growing crowd will also include members of the Chinatown Tenants Union and the Transit Workers Union, signaling that the protest is showing no signs of losing steam. Meanwhile, organizers have called for students at college campuses across the nation to walk out of class in protest at 2 p.m.

“I think they’re capturing a feel of disempowerment, feeling like nobody is listening to them,” said Camille Rivera, executive director of United NY. “What do you do when no one is listening to you? You speak up, you take action.”

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-10-05 08:29:08

I posted this late last night, so I’m not sure how many read it, but it was in response to this article:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-03/housing-market-failing-to-clear-the-ticker.html

_________________

I like how these guys take three numbers from a dense 27-page powerpoint and 30 minute commentary to write an article.

As a hint, the real story isn’t the 611 days, or the 38% of loans over 2-years delinquent. It’s an interesting report, I studied it last night and listened to the commentary…if I wanted to sum it up in two sentences (not two numbers):

States with a judicial foreclosure process are screwed.

States with a non-judical foreclosure process have been efficiently moving through their inventory and will be the first to emerge from the foreclosure mess.

THIS IS THE STORY THAT NO ONE IS WRITING ABOUT.

Look through the presentation, and listen to the 30-minute commentary if you want to get the flavor.

http://www.lpsvcs.com/LPSCorporateInformation/ResourceCenter/PressResources/Pages/MortgageMonitor.aspx

Page 3 - Most of the inventory is snarled up in the 90+ and foreclosure inventories; 30-day and 60 day inventories are below January 2008 levels, and have been on a downtrend since January 2009.

Page 6 - Non-judicial states have been improving their non-current% faster than judicial. As an example, CA was in the top ten worst not long ago (18 months ago +/-), now CA has 26 states worse than them.

Page 19 - Judicial states inventory is 6 months more aged than non-judical states. As long as judicial states are slow and non-judicial states are not, this will continue to widen.

Page 22/23 - Note the difference in non-judicial vs. judicial…the worst non-judicial state (92 months of inventory) is still better than the average of the judicial states. The 10th worst non-judicial state is at 35 months…CA, NV, and AZ are not in the top-ten of non-judicial states (meaning even lower than 35)–how much lower? You’ll need to pay $1,000 per month for a minimum of 12 months to get that data…they won’t tell you in the free PowerPoint.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-05 09:17:23

Just think how far prices will fall in those states that are backlogged….

Why buy a house today when you can buy later for 60% less?

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-10-05 10:00:19

It all depends on the pace of the release of inventory. If they put it all on the market at one time, there will be significant further declines…if they just go to “normal” pace of sales like in the non-judicial states, perhaps the fall won’t be as great.

It will definitely extend the period of weakness for those states…so there is not much of a hurry, you can probably wait to see whether there is a significant fall or not once the spigot begins to open more fully.

Also worth noting that even before “foreclosure-gate”, the backlog was greater in judicial states…the robo-signing scandal made the difference even greater.

I do find it interesting though that some of the recent pickup in foreclosure activity by BofA (which has not yet really showed up in the LPS data as a decrease in non-current loans), and other institutions was noted in California and Nevada (among other places), which are both non-judicial states, both of which were already moving through their inventory well.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-05 11:04:39

Why buy a house today when you can buy later for 60% less?

Don’t put it past them to permanently remove those houses from the market, using a bulldozer if nencesary.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-05 11:15:57

And don’t think that the buyer pool isn’t shrinking. Housing sales are at 15 year lows and falling. Inventory is massive.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-05 11:32:21

Just a few blocks away is a vacant lot. It used to have a tumble-down house on it. Guess what, that house got foreclosed.

Somebody bought the property, bulldozed the house, and now they have “lot for sale” signs all over the nabe.

Well, then there’s the mothership sign that’s on the property. It’s been, ahem, modified. Instead of saying “Lot for sale, call this number,” it says “Lot for park, donate,” and the word “donate” is followed by the owner’s phone number.

Personally, I think the idea of a neighborhood mini park is a good one. I may just call that number.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 08:30:53

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

– Pogo

‘Occupy Wall Street’: What Should a Populist Movement Ask of Washington?
By Derek Thompson

Oct 4 2011, 5:57 PM ET 129

The middle class has a thousand reasons to be mad as hell, and a thousand people to blame. In a weird way, that makes it all the harder to pinpoint a culprit.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 12:29:25

The middle class is gettin’ schooled.

Get smart or die.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-10-05 08:30:55

AZ Slim, in response to a post you made yesterday:

You might find it interesting to know that Google is allowing you to support Antigone Books via purchase of eBooks through the Antigone Books website…

They do the same thing for Kepler’s (a local bookstore here).

Get your eBooks and support your local bookstore at the same time…Go Google.

There is a whole list here:

http://www.indiebound.org/google-ebooks

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 08:35:17

Look where several decades of reverse gender discrimination have brought us:

Why men are in trouble
By William J. Bennett, CNN Contributor
updated 10:27 AM EST, Tue October 4, 2011

(CNN) — For the first time in history, women are better educated, more ambitious and arguably more successful than men.

Now, society has rightly celebrated the ascension of one sex. We said, “You go girl,” and they went. We celebrate the ascension of women but what will we do about what appears to be the very real decline of the other sex?

The data does not bode well for men. In 1970, men earned 60% of all college degrees. In 1980, the figure fell to 50%, by 2006 it was 43%. Women now surpass men in college degrees by almost three to two. Women’s earnings grew 44% in real dollars from 1970 to 2007, compared with 6% growth for men.

Comment by zee_in_phx
2011-10-05 09:32:19

well, the men just figured out that under our current system the bread winner has the most to loose in a divorce, so why would any sane man tie himself down with a marriage contract?
and if one isn’t married and has no kids to take care of - then playing video games can be quite fulfilling.

btw: i’ve been on the HBB since 2006/2007 and credit Ben’s blog for saving me from buying a house back than - a $150,000 mistake for sure. I mostly hang around and aborb the words of wisdom whizzing by on this board.

Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-10-05 11:15:03

+1

 
 
Comment by CrackerJim
2011-10-05 10:05:52

So when can we see the elimination of the WBE preferential treatment for business contracts? Lotsa 51% women owned governemnt preferered businesses out there being coddled.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-05 11:06:19

You just need to marry one of those women. You’ll get nookie and money! What deal!

Comment by Moman
2011-10-05 14:04:11

Except that the ones I’m aware of, the 51% is owned by the wife while the man does 99% of the work. The only nookie would be from cheating, in that case.

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 12:49:55

Men aren’t in trouble. Women who want kids but who can’t committ for the long haul are in trouble.

Ask ANY single mom.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-10-05 14:59:17

One of our neighbors admits that her daughter is a major beneficiary of WBE. Says her daughter’s 5-person firm even pays less taxes than if the company were owned by a man.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-05 15:04:18

How nice.

I’m also the proud owner of a WBE (which, BTW, is a self-certification). I can’t say that it’s lowered my taxes.

Nor has my HUBZone status, which I had to apply for and be certified.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 08:36:54

WRAPUP 1-U.S. factory orders dip 0.2 percent in August
Tue Oct 4, 2011 10:42am EDT

* U.S. new factory orders drop 0.2 percent in August

* Factory orders ex-transport post first fall in 6 months
(Adds market movements and background)

WASHINGTON, Oct 4 (Reuters) - New orders for U.S. factory
goods fell for the second time in three months in August,
putting into question strength in the manufacturing sector
which had led the economic recovery.

The Commerce Department said on Tuesday orders for
manufactured goods decreased 0.2 percent, failing to meet
economists’ expectations of a flat reading.

Concerns that the United States might slip back into
recession had eased slightly on Monday after the Institute for
Supply Management said national manufacturing activity rose in
September.

But economic growth, which slowed sharply in the first half
of the year, still looks vulnerable to an escalation of the
European debt crisis.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-10-05 08:37:04

AZ Slim–

You might find it interesting to know that Google is allowing you to support Antigone Books via purchase of eBooks through the Antigone Books website…

They do the same thing for Kepler’s (a local bookstore here).

Get your eBooks and support your local bookstore at the same time…Go Google.

There is a whole list here:

http://www.indiebound.org/google-ebooks

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 08:38:15

Planned layoffs at US firms highest in more than two years, report shows
By Roland Jones

The number of planned layoffs at U.S. companies leapt to their highest level in more than two years amid large cutbacks in the military and Bank of America, a private report shows.

Employers announced plans to shed 115,730 workers from their payrolls in September, according to the latest numbers from consultants Challenger, Gray & Christmas.

September’s job cut amount was 126 percent higher than the level announced for August and they were 212 percent higher than one year ago in September 2010, the report said. The September surge brought the number of job cuts announced in the third quarter to 233,258 — the highest quarterly toll since the third quarter of 2009.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 08:52:47

U.S. Corporations Sitting on $2 Trillion
Oct. 5, 2011

CFO Journal Senior Editor Vipal discusses the strategy behind U.S. corporation amassing roughly $2 trillion in cash. He says in many cases, recessions catch companies off guard. This time, they’re ready. REUTERS/Jo Yong-Hak/Files

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-05 10:39:27

They’re the $uffering $o’s. Cinder$ & Ashe$, Agonie$ & Pain$… Help ‘em!

“…if you tax them less, they can hire more people.” ;-)

 
 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-05 08:54:20

Right-to-work drive gains steam in Michigan

DETROIT — In this historic stronghold of the American labor movement, the phrase “right to work” is seen by many as fighting words.

But with a new GOP-controlled state Legislature and a Republican governor in place in Lansing, a move is afoot to make Michigan the 23rd state in the nation to adopt legislation that would prohibit unions and employers from regulating collection of union dues or requiring employees to join a union if their workplace is organized.

“We’ve got growing and substantial support in the Legislature for pursuing Michigan becoming a right-to-work state, but this is a marathon, not a sprint, and it’s all about making sure we are removing all obstacles to jobs,” said state Rep. Mike Shirkey, Clarklake Republican.

“Everyone acknowledges that overcoming the 75-plus-year history of legacy unions here is not something you do overnight. But some of the polls statewide indicate the public is moving toward a direction of supporting workers having the choice,” he said. “I’m not anti-union. I call it labor freedom, where unions are as free to make their case as workers are to make their choice.”

A right-to-work bill fell short in 2008, the last time the question was put before Michigan lawmakers. But the balance of power in the state was different: Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm was in charge and Democrats held a stronger edge in the Legislature.

Those who support right-to-work laws say it is unfair to force those who don’t wish to join a union to do so, making them pay dues against their will in order to keep their jobs. Union proponents say it is essential to their ability to organize and negotiate on behalf of workers that the law prevent “free riders” — workers who benefit from the union’s work but don’t join or contribute dues.

Currently, 22 states have passed right-to-work legislation nationwide, including most of the Old South and the Rocky Mountain West.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-10-05 09:21:25

If people don’t want to work in a union shop, they are free to move to a right-to-work state like South Carolina.

And, as long as we’re at it, let’s change the laws a little bit, and give the non-union employees in right to work states the “freedom” to do their own pay/benefit negotiations, instead of piggy-backing onto what the union guys get, without being a member or paying union dues.

Right-to-work laws allow non-union members to become parasites, and get union benefits without paying for them.

Republicans hate free-loaders, so they should jump onto this problem right now.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-05 13:51:14

That word “parasites” is provocative. I can only think of two basic reasons for a union: Protection of innocent workers from the abuses of management or organized abuse of management by greedy workers.

Let’s say a union is formed to right some wrong and that gets accomplished. The battle is won and over. The union leaders were heroes who risked much to realize some ideals. They wouldn’t call those who followed and enjoyed the rights parasites. If the union remains militant after the war is won, it is motivated by power for power’s sake and the leaders are not heroes. That kind of person, and their minions, calls those who do not subject themselves “parasites”.

Unions can be raised very quickly when need arises. They cannot be gotten rid of so easily once they are turned over to those motivated only by power and greed.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-10-05 15:35:25

“Unions can be raised very quickly when need arises.”

Yeah, go tell that fable to the coal miners and UAW guys from back in the 30s

I still like my idea. Make everybody “Right to Work”. But nobody gets to leech onto the union pay scale, unless they are a member.

The “Right to Work” advocates really need to be careful what they wish for.

One instance I know of had two different divisions of the same company covered by one IAM contract. One division was a lot smaller, but the employees were of a significantly higher skill level. Because of the contract, these guys were being significantly underpaid compared to industry scale.

We tried to kick the IAM out, and form a separate local. The company actually took it to arbitration to keep us IAM. Why? Because they knew that we’d negotiate a better contract than those other schlubs, that’s why. This went on for years.

Like I said….the company should have been careful what they wished for…….

10 years later, our division is the biggest, most profitable in the company. With the most IAM members (after our division got bigger, and the other got smaller due to layoffs).

So, instead of dealing with our division, and limiting the goodies to our department, they had to hand out what our guys negotiated, company wide.

Payback is a beech.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-05 17:26:51

I’ve been around the block a time or two myself. Just spouting idealism.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by whyoung
2011-10-05 08:58:15

How Suburban Sprawl Works Like a Ponzi Scheme

Charles Marohn and his colleagues at the Minnesota-based nonprofit Strong Towns have made a very compelling case that suburban sprawl is basically a Ponzi scheme, in which municipalities expand infrastructure hoping to attract new taxpayers that can pay off the mounting costs associated with the last infrastructure expansion, over and over.

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2011/10/suburban-sprawl-ponzi-scheme/242/

Comment by WT Economist
2011-10-05 09:31:48

More importantly, a growing suburb gets a public employee retirement windfall. It has more taxpayers paying in relative to the number of retired public employees, who are few in number as a result of being an unpopulated rural area in the past. By underfunding retirement benefits, a suburb gets a windfall and can provide better services at lower tax rates.

New housing, moreover, is generally only affordable to the better off, meaning growing suburbs have few poor people to take care of.

But when the housing stock hits 50 years old, it is often passed down to those worse off. And by that time a large number of public employees who were hired to serve the residents of the fully built out suburb are ready for retirement.

Welcome to the fiscal hell that hit the older central cities of the Northeast and Midwest in the 1970s, and will be sweeping the older suburbs and Sunbelt communities for the next 50 years!

I’ve heard it put this way: communities are like sharks; when they can no longer move forward, they die.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-05 10:42:27

Keep in mind that in many newer communities especially in the southwest, few muni employees are union. In out little burg only the cops and firefighters are union. Everyone else gets a 403b.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-10-05 11:05:40

That’s one of the valuable points of the article, that cities should spend more money renovating existing areas than building out new ones (vis a vis a real ROI) so as not to destroy their own tax base.

It’s scary how common the ‘run-down’ downtown and old houses vs new houses dichotomy is in most cities across the US.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-10-05 12:18:22

Would be nice to get a brief on this from someone who knows something about it……obviously, the incentives are set up to build out in the boonies, rather than tear down existing structures and build in town.

We have tons of commercial property laying vacant around here. Are property taxes on older commercial buildings so low that people can afford to let them rot for years on end?

At most busy airports I know, all of the property on the field is owned by the airport authority, and hangar space/facilities are leased out. If somebody walks, or goes bankrupt and quits making payments on the lease, they are immediately kicked out and a new leaseholder moves in, rather than let the property sit vacant for years on end.

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Comment by Moman
2011-10-05 14:08:59

What is there to know about it? It’s much easier (and cheaper) for builders to build out in the boonies on virgin land. Tear down trees and go to town. The municipality is responsible for sewer, water, and roads. Sure the builder pays impact assessments but AFAIK they don’t come close to the expense. The true cost is socialized on all of us, the cost of people living far from jobs, the cost of time, pollution, energy consumption, roadways, and fatigue, both mentally and physically from demanding commutes.

 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 13:01:22

Cities often don’t really have as much control over those inner city properties as you think. There is a lot of power struggles between the various private owners, corporate tax write offs, and “brother-in-laws” trying make a buck off the city.

Many of those commerical lots stay undeveloped because of ridiculous wishing prices the owners.

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Comment by The_Overdog
2011-10-05 13:41:38

Interesting, and gets to the heart of the matter.

The cities do have some power over redevelopment, in terms of property taxes and zoning laws, but if they’ve given out so many ‘gimmies’ in terms of subsidies and tax write offs that it’s worth it for somebody’s brother-in-law to sit on 100k sq ft in the middle of the city on a busy road, then they (the city mgrs) have done it wrong. And that’s what the Strong Cities article is attempting to remedy against.

Basically determing an ROI using the amount of property tax generated vs the long term upkeep. They surmise (I have no facts on this) that the average development pays for 1 lifetime (time existing until needing major redevelopment/roads need repaved, etc), while the city pays for 3.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 09:09:32

With the flood of investors into cash, it’s hard to grasp why the stock market is not landing even harder.

MARKETS
OCTOBER 5, 2011

Tired of Ups and Downs, Investors Say, ‘Let Me Out!’
By KELLY GREENE, JESSICA SILVER-GREENBERG and JOE LIGHT

Leonard Gerber, a 65-year-old financial planner, has seen plenty of volatile markets during his career. But this one feels different.

Last month, the Syracuse, N.Y., resident cashed in his stock funds—and he has no intention of diving back in anytime soon. “I feel like a deer in headlights,” he says.

Across the country, investors are fleeing the stock market for the safety of cash. On Tuesday the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index lost as much as 2.2% before a late-day rally sent the index up 2.3% for the session. In the 46 trading days since the beginning of August, the S&P 500 has seen 29 swings of 1% or more.

Tuesday is a “perfect example” of why Mr. Gerber has bailed out. “The market is manic,” he says. “There’s no consistency … and there’s a worrisome amount of volatility.”

The wild action is keeping brokerage firms busy. At Scottrade Inc., trading volume increased 36% on Tuesday afternoon from the day before, which was 30% higher than last week’s average. Principal Financial Group saw call-center volume from investors in work-based retirement plans climb 27% between Friday and Monday.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-05 10:16:44

“The market is manic,” he says. “There’s no consistency

Eyes thought “the market” was a “financial device implement” to pick Winner$ from Loser$?

Therefore it follows, “Forward looking” there will be no Winner$, only Loser$.” (allowing that there is still the possibility that time may stand still, or seem like it is.)

 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-10-05 10:28:44

The market is overpriced. It has been that way since the large 1960s generation started saving for retirement in earnest. It will hit bottom after they have all sold out.

Comment by cactus
2011-10-05 10:40:59

It has been that way since the large 1960s generation started saving for retirement in earnest.”

I wonder what percentage of the market private regular workers have invested these days ?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 12:21:48

“It will hit bottom after they have all sold out.”

Rational expectations suggest an earlier bottoming, but top-down intervention suggests considerable hysteresis in the bottoming process.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 09:10:56

COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE
OCTOBER 5, 2011

Investors Check Out of Real-Estate Stocks
Global Economic Concerns Weaken Demand for Commercial Space, With Hotels Faring Worst; ‘It’s Pretty Dismal’
BY A.D. PRUITT

For much of the past two years, real-estate stocks outperformed the broader stock market. But that trend ended during the fall as investors grew increasingly fretful that a weak global economy would sap demand for commercial space.

The Dow Jones All Equity REIT Index, which tracks the stock of 130 companies, posted a negative 15% total return during the third quarter, an about-face from the second quarter when the REIT index registered a 2.9% gain.

The third-quarter return was the largest drop since the first quarter of 2009, when the index posted a negative return of 31%,…

 
Comment by sfrenter
2011-10-05 09:28:23

Yup, it’s mighty pricey to live here.

“According to a formula called the Self-Sufficiency Standard, a family of four (with two adults, one preschooler and one school-age child) in the nine-county Bay Area now needs $74,341 a year to get by, compared with $62,517 three years ago.

At the state level, the cost of basic needs for a family of four rose 15.9 percent, to $63,579 from $54,853, between 2008 and 2011.

The report analyzed the cost of basic needs in the Bay Area - rent, food, health care, child care, transportation and taxes, which soared 18.9 percent in three years. The study, conducted by the Insight Center for Community Economic Development in Oakland, found that unemployment rose and wages were stagnant over the period.

“The income and expense gap families experience is becoming even more exacerbated and pushing more families into a place of economic insecurity,” said Jenny Chung Mejia, a program manager and attorney at the Insight Center. “Families need to bring in an extra $10,000 to $15,000 each year just to cover a basic basket of goods.”

The most dramatic increases were for health care, child care and taxes. In the region, health care costs rose 35 percent in three years; child care rose 21 percent.”

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/04/MNB11LD969.DTL#ixzz1ZvR5V6Cd

 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-05 10:15:58

Electric Bills About To Spike
The Daily Beast ~ Oct 5, 2011

Utilities across the country need more money for grid updates and pollution controls, and are passing the huge bill on to consumers.

Already weary of high gas prices and 9.1 percent unemployment, many Americans are about to get another kick in the wallet thanks to large increases in their electricity bills.

From Alaska to Georgia and Wyoming to Florida, utilities are seeking permission to pass on hundreds of millions of dollars in new charges to customers to help upgrade aging infrastructure and build new or retrofitted power plants that comply with tougher environmental regulations, a Daily Beast review of regulatory filings has found.
The influx of requests, many still pending before state regulators, has left energy experts convinced that electricity prices will be on the rise for the foreseeable future as the industry struggles to modernize its aging infrastructure.

“They desperately need to upgrade,” says Bill Richardson, the former New Mexico governor and Clinton-era energy secretary who once famously called America a superpower with a Third World power grid. “You’re seeing rate hikes everywhere because this is a widespread, national problem.”

The pending rate hikes are bad news for poor and elderly Americans on tight budgets, as Congress and the White House begin making cuts to programs that help people cope with their utility bills. One program in particular, the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, was slashed during the budget negotiations earlier this year, and is slated for even deeper reductions this fall.

During the budget battle, Congress cut $500 million from the program to bring this year’s total to $4.7 billion, down from a high of $5.1 billion in 2010. For next year, the Obama administration requested only $2.6 billion, leaving states with roughly half the assistance they’ve had in the past. The White House rationale relies on the assumption that energy prices will decline, but regulatory filings have indicated the opposite trend is in store.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-10-05 10:31:17

Watch your wallet when Bill Richardson gets involved……

Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-10-05 11:18:42

BR gave NM a train from ABQ to Santa Fe, people only, cant carry freight….ooops. And it does not go to the ABQ Airport.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-10-05 11:58:42

Ask him how New Mexico’s “investment” in Eclipse Aviation is doing.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-10-05 12:06:22

“……can’t carry freight……”

I thought Santa Fe was where all those new paradigm “creative people” hang out, who produce “ideas” rather than stuff; therefore, there’s no freight to haul.

Don’t tell me, let me guess……NM bought into a deal where they have to pay to maintain the track to passenger train standards. On a line that the BNSF has practically abandoned anyway.

Next thing you know, you’ll be running passenger trains to Pueblo, cause there is such a great demand for it.

I’m long on “Astroglide” futures……..

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Comment by whyoung
2011-10-05 13:11:19

“there’s no freight to haul.”

Apparently the well off artists, retirees and second home owners are all devoted locavores?

 
Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-10-05 13:15:50

They do want to connect the train to Denver eventually.

I think they had planned for it to carry freight, accidentally made the tunnels not tall enough.

NM is a great place, sure beats AZ and not as cold as CO. Just make sure your trust fund holds out.

http://nmrailrunner.com/route_map.asp

 
Comment by jane
2011-10-05 19:52:41

Does New Mexico have enough water to qualify as a destination for the Oil City Plan?

 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 10:46:19

“From Alaska to Georgia and Wyoming to Florida, utilities are seeking permission to pass on hundreds of millions of dollars in new charges to customers to help upgrade aging infrastructure and build new or retrofitted power plants that comply with tougher environmental regulations,”

Souds like that shovel ready stuff the trillion $ stimulus was going to create jobs with. Can`t they throw some of those really expensive solar panels on those aging power plants?

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-05 11:09:31

I for one don’t mind that they install scrubbers on coal power plants. The brown cloud in the winter gets pretty bad in Denver over the winter.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-05 11:49:44

Making CorpInc.’$ con$ider environmental consequence$ happening outside their limo’s/GulfStream$ = “Evil”

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Comment by SOLD IN 04
2011-10-05 10:22:49

We should start with OccupySupremeCourt in Washington DC. The Supreme Court’s incredibly stupid interpretation of the First Amendment that tries to claim that campaign contributions are just as precious as public square critics of government is killing this country. The ability of the rich corporations and billionaires to use campaign contributions to remove important financial system protections in place since the Depression show what a corrupting influence the failure to read campaign contributions out of the First Amendment.

Maybe we start with the Amendment of the US constitution to exclude campaign contributions from First Amendment “protection”. It may require civil disobedience in front of the US Supreme Court

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-05 10:33:39

John Robert$ = Roger B. Taney ;-)

Great Scott!, run Hwy,…Run! (least you Dred the Con$equence$)

 
 
Comment by cactus
2011-10-05 10:38:22

NEW YORK (AP) — Bank of America still isn’t explaining why online banking may be slow for some of its customers for a sixth day in a row.

A message on the bank’s home page Wednesday said most of the site was working normally, but that customers may experience “occasional delays.”

A spokeswoman for Bank of America Corp., Tara Burke, says the company doesn’t disclose the causes for website problems and noted that online banking was now available.

She declined to say how many customers may still be experiencing slowness signing in.

“Given the last few days, we are rigorously monitoring our online banking system and chose to continue deploying an alternate home page to ensure that customers get to the right destination quickly,” Burke said.

The website delays mean customers who normally bank online may have had to head to a branch or ATM to access their accounts in recent days.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 13:07:27

On-line bank run?

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 10:53:02

Employers Picking Up the Tab for Loans to States

WASHINGTON (AP) – States that borrowed billions from the federal government to keep unemployment benefits flowing through the recession now have to start paying those loans back, and they’re hitting businesses with new assessments and higher taxes to make that happen.

In all, 27 states owe the federal government nearly $38 billion. The first interest payments on those loans were due Friday and totaled about $1.1 billion.

Most states charged employers a one-time assessment to cover the charge. But those charges are only part of the story.

Businesses pay two types of unemployment insurance taxes. A federal tax primarily covers the administrative cost of the program, and a state tax pays for the basic benefits that laid-off workers receive. In most of the states that borrowed from the feds, the federal tax will increase by $21 per worker next year. Similar increases will take place in subsequent years until the loans are paid in full. Meanwhile, the state taxes have soared in just about every state to deal with the strain caused by the high numbers of people applying for unemployment benefits.

Joe Olivo, owner of Perfect Printing in Moorestown, N.J., with 45 employees just outside Philadelphia, estimates that he’ll pay an additional $24,000 this year in unemployment insurance taxes. He’s also dealing with higher expenses elsewhere, mainly for his employees’ health care.

The federal government delayed interest payments on the federal loans for two years, a byproduct of the 2009 economic stimulus bill. Congress declined to pass legislation that would delay interest payments any further.

http://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2011/oct/4/employers-picking-up-the-tab-for-loans-to-states//print - 15k -

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-10-05 11:57:08

He just needs to fix it the way the big boys do it.

Cut the pay of his 45 employees by $35,000. Pocket the difference.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-10-05 10:58:55

Bigger black swan predicted.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-05/-black-swan-author-taleb-says-world-faces-bigger-problem-now-than-in-2008.html

“Definitely, we face a bigger problem now and we will pay a higher price,” Taleb, who is also a professor at New York University, said today at a news conference in Kiev, referring to the turmoil during the last global financial crisis. “The structure of the problem has still not been understood. We haven’t done anything constructive in three and a half years. Nobody wants to do anything drastic now.”

“Taleb urged countries to keep their budgets balanced, criticizing President Barack Obama of “loading the U.S. with debt that our children will have to pay” and said that growth fuelled by government debt isn’t really growth. “Someone made a mistake lending and someone made a mistake borrowing,” said Taleb. “It is a mistake to transform private problems into public debt.”

Who says the Democrats aren’t pro-business? They have gone along with wrecking of the government to save the better off in the private sector.

Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-05 11:47:21

Nah! No black swans, with BB flying around on his candy/money crapping unicorn, we are in fine shape.

Perpare for QE-111 and a U.S. sponsored (IMF) multi-trillion dollar euro bail-out. It’s all good!

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-05 13:46:12

Here come higher prices at the pump and at the grocery store.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 12:19:43

“It is a mistake to transform private problems into public debt.”

Barn door left open
All of the horses have fled
Hurry, shut the door!

 
 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-05 11:10:33

‘Anyone’ Can See Economy’s Improving, DNC Chair Insists
‘We’ve Begun To Turn The Corner,’ Democrat Says.
By Craig Bannister -CNSNEWSOctober 5, 2011

DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz insisted to CNSNews.com yesterday that “anyone’ can see that the economy is improving and sought to interpret what Pres. Obama really meant when he admitted Monday that Americans were not better off today than four years ago.

“Well, what President Obama said was that certainly since the collapse of Lehman Brothers, that Americans are not better off,” Wasserman Schultz told CNSNews.com. “That was specifically the president’s comment. I thought. And I think anyone who looks at the economy knows we have come a long way.

“We are certainly no longer dropping like a rock like we were in the months leading up to President Obama taking office,” Wasserman Schultz continued. “And now we’ve begun to turn the corner.”

“Anyone” can see that we’ve turned the corner? Really?

Even the 115,730 people who lost their jobs last month (the most in more than two years), or the American Airlines workers faced with the danger that their employer is going to have to file for bankruptcy?

And, how about the person at the pump fretting over the cost of filling his gas tank, or the young couple trying to sell their home?

I guess these aren’t the “anyones” the DNC chair was referring to.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-10-05 12:06:19

Why the Democrats want to own this unfixable mess is beyond me. There is another half decade of pain coming, and they can’t stop it.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 12:18:16

Sounds like the D-rat plan is to financially engineer a recovery from now until November 2012. What could possibly go wrong with that is beyond me to answer…

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-10-05 12:21:10

We don’t have anything but a confidence problem. Just ask them.

Who ya gonna believe; them, or your lying eyes?

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Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-10-05 12:25:34

Chris Christie is a smart man. He came to the conclusion the entire situation is FUBAR and decided not to run. Let some other schmuck go on a suicide mission. Looks like Obama or Romney. I’d rather be the taste tester in a sewage plant than having that job.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 12:35:02

Debbie Does CNSNews

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-05 13:26:27

The simplest explanation is that the President meant exactly what he said, not something else. It has taken him years longer to come to the realization than us mortals.

 
 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-05 11:56:57

Eldorado Stone closing Pueblo plant
Wednesday, October 5, 2011 By DENNIS DARROW

Eldorado Stone is closing its Pueblo plant, according to its parent company, Headwaters Inc.

The closure process already is under way, the company says.

The plant’s workforce in recent weeks was down to about 40 employees from its regular staffing level of about 70, said Sharon Madden, vice president of investor relations for Calif.-based Headwaters Inc.

The plant employed more than 200 workers during peak building periods.

San Marcos, Calif.-based Eldorado Stone, formerly known as StoneCraft Industries, makes artificial stone used in residential and commercial construction.

Its Pueblo plant operates at the Airport Industrial Park.

The plant began operation in 1999.

Dan Centa, president of PEDCo, said an Eldorado Stone executive told him the closure is the result of rising shipping costs and the construction slowdown due to the recession.

“As with any company that is involved in the building market, they have been hit tremendously hard because of the downturn in construction,” Centa said.

The downturn caused a sharp reversal in fortune for a plant that in 2006 employed more than 200 workers and appeared on track to expand, Centa said.

“It was just four or five years ago they were out of room. They were looking at acquiring a lot adjacent to them and using it for storage. There were some major plans,” Centa said.

Instead, the plant’s finances worsened along with the construction downturn, Centa said.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-05 13:44:18

Another one bites the dust!

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-05 14:05:40

Even the rocks are getting crushed.

 
 
 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-05 12:10:50

Benson’s Economic & Market Trends
The Fed Pays a King’s Ransom to China
Richard Benson - Posted Oct 5, 2011

America’s economy is in shambles. Fiscal policy is totally gridlocked between Democrats who want to see some long term tax increases, and Republicans who only want spending cuts. Worse yet, the Republicans view economic failure in America as a good thing as they believe it will enhance their chances of recapturing the White House. Because compromise on the budget seems to be off the table right now, that leaves only the Federal Reserve policy to stimulate the economy. So, judging from what’s been reported in the financial press and on TV lately, the Fed’s policy is ringing loud and clear: Keep interest rates at record lows, and devalue the currency.

Keeping long term interest rates low is desired because the Obama Administration is praying that loan and mortgage refinancing will put more money into the pockets of corporations and individuals, giving them money to spend. A lower dollar is also desired to help boost exports. Selling more abroad is, for now, the only way to create more jobs. In other words, fiscal policy is frozen like a deer in the headlights and easy money is the only policy our government’s got. There is just one big problem with a policy of low interest rates and a weak currency.

Foreign central banks, led by China, currently hold $3.5 trillion dollars invested in US treasuries. China created goods that they sold to America for dollars but now we want to pay them nothing in interest and devalue their savings held in dollars. Indeed, it must be galling to the Chinese that we are treating them this way. (It’s ironic but we’re treating our retired savers in our own country this same way). Needless to say, China understands what’s going on and it has them more than a little pissed off. At some point, they could cut their losses and swap their horrible investment in paper dollars for tangible assets such as gold and other resources they need to employ, feed, clothe, and house their 1.3 billion citizens.

Countries holding US treasuries face a two pronged dilemma: First, if they dump longer term treasury securities, they would suffer massive price declines because selling long term notes and bonds pushes their prices down. Second, foreign countries would suffer currency depreciation losses because selling dollars pushes the dollar down. If China and other central banks all sold their longer dated treasury notes and bonds, US treasuries would decline in price, causing long term interest rates in America to soar. At this time in American history when our economy is so fragile and weak, rising long term interest rates could spell disaster for our economy. This is the Obama Administration’s greatest fear especially as we approach an election year, so they had to come up with a plan so foreigners dumping their longer term US treasuries wouldn’t hurt us. Since monetary policy is all we’ve got, the Fed was called in to fix the problem.

So what else could the Fed possibly do to keep our economy moving in the right direction? Why not go to the Chinese and promise to pay them a big fat premium on their current long term treasuries (that were purchased at much higher interest rates) and let them swap them into short term treasury bills and notes. Indeed, looking at the prices of US Treasury notes and bonds, most are trading at premiums of 10 to 15 percent for recent issues, and 50 percent or more for those issued just a few years ago. By allowing other countries to get out of longer term treasuries at a time of record low interest rates, it will give them an extraordinarily large gift and potentially enormous profits that can be used in several ways: China would likely use the profits to offset currency losses when the Fed goes back to printing money in QE3 to fund our deficit; and, in Europe, the profits could be used to help recapitalize their banks which are loaded up with Greek, Irish, Italian, and Spanish debt.

When foreign countries have fewer treasury notes and bonds left in their arsenal to sell, when they do get around to selling their dollar holdings it’ll push the dollar down without pushing interest rates up. (Note: Short term treasuries will not go down in price if sold. Indeed, they can only go down if the Fed raises rates, and even then they quickly adjust back to a par price of 100.) At that point, America can dare China to sell the dollar, because pushing the dollar down is our policy.

So basically now you know what the Fed’s recent “Operation Twist” is all about (a more appropriate name might be “Operation Payoff”). We are paying a King’s Ransom to pave the way to devalue the dollar in the next QE3 and beyond. Just remember the downside of a falling dollar will be higher import prices and higher inflation.

If you would like to participate in Operation Payoff, do what the Central Banks will be doing: Sell your long term treasuries to the Fed and then brace for the next round of dollar devaluation and inflation which will soon be on the way.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 13:08:58

“China created goods that they sold to America for dollars but now we want to pay them nothing in interest and devalue their savings held in dollars.”

I take it the writer doesn’t grasp the inverse relationship between the value of an existing bond and yield?

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-05 14:04:15

That and about twenty other things the writer does not understand.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 12:52:31

Interestingly enough, I have recently felt as though I am nearly past the anger phase of the housing bubble stages of grief. I take the impression that much of America is just entering it, though.

The 2012 election season has the potential to get much more interesting if these protests persist.

5 October 2011 Last updated at 13:28 ET

Banks protests planned across US

Demonstrators dress as “corporate zombies” near Wall Street in New York, on 3 October 2011

The demonstrations began in New York and show no sign of losing steam

Protesters are preparing for a mass march on New York’s financial district, with rallies also planned in several other US cities.

Occupy Wall Street organisers hope to attract thousands of people to the rally in lower Manhattan, having won the backing of powerful unions.

The demonstrations are now in their third week and show no sign of fading.

They have been venting grievances over the 2008 corporate bailouts, high US unemployment and home repossessions.

‘Revolution’

Protests have also been held recently in Las Vegas, Chicago, Ohio and Florida, where a rally last weekend drew a crowd carrying signs that read, “End Corporate Welfare” and “It is Time for a Revolution”.

Hundreds of demonstrators were arrested last weekend on the Brooklyn Bridge.

Students at colleges across the US have been urged to walk out of class in solidarity with the activists at lunchtime on Wednesday.

Rallies are planned in the cities of Boston, Washington DC and Los Angeles.

But the biggest event is set to be in New York, where organisers expect dozens of unions and community organisations to join a march on Wall Street at 16:30 EDT (20:30 GMT).

Among the groups planning to attend are the Transport Workers Union, which offered its financial support last week.

The AFL-CIO federation of unions, the Communication Workers of America and the United Federation of Teachers have also said they would take part.

Union chiefs said the decision to back the protests came from shared grievances.

“These young people on Wall Street are giving voice to many of the problems that working people in America have been confronting over the last several years,” Larry Hanley, international president of the Amalgamated Transit Union, told CNN.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 12:54:28

19 September 2011 Last updated at 21:00 ET

Could world social unrest hit America’s streets?
By Daniel Nasaw BBC News Magazine, Washington

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has suggested the unrest that rocked the streets of Cairo and Madrid this year could spread to the US. Is he right?

It was a long, hot spring and summer on the streets of Greece, England and Madrid, as protesters and rioters vented their fury at high unemployment, painful austerity measures and following a fatal police shooting in London.

The US, meanwhile, has been virtually free of rioting and even of widespread peaceful political protest.

This is despite some of the highest unemployment in decades, growing income inequality, dissatisfaction with the nation’s direction, frustration with its dysfunctional government and the threat of drastic cuts to social programmes.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-05 13:41:14

Americans are used to getting the shaft. We even say ‘thank you’ and ask for more.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 14:23:42

There’s an old saying: Old news is no news.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 13:07:11

Austerity for the Simpsons? Say it ain’t so!

5 October 2011 Last updated at 07:30 ET
The Simpsons cannot continue without cuts, says Fox

The Simpsons The Simpsons is the longest-running comedy series on US TV and is currently in its 23rd series

US TV network Fox has said it can no longer afford to produce long-running animated comedy The Simpsons without a pay cut for its cast.

In a statement, it said although the series “can and should continue”, it could not produce future seasons “under its current financial model”.

Fox made the comment after reports it threatened to end the series unless its voice actors took a 45% pay cut.

Comment by CrackerBob
2011-10-05 13:31:38

Dohhh!

I guess there will be less $$ going to nutty scientology.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-05 14:26:28

The Simpsons need take the money and run. The Family Guy and Amercian Dad are funnier and even they are starting to wear thin.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-05 15:28:21

Fox has said it can no longer afford to produce long-running animated comedy The Simpsons without a pay cut for its cast.

Eyes certain Faux management is $tressing this to the $yndicates & inve$tors they’re hoping to get increased broadcasting fee$ extorted extracted.

Faux Inc.$: “Simpson’s yeah, well, they’re just qua$i-awesome now, but look here’s why you have to pay us more monie$…” ;-)

 
 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-05 13:19:21

Looks like the DOW will get back to 11,000 tomorrow. Lot’s of good news on the jobless front. Plenty of players counting on QE-111 which they will get. So the w.street gang should be pleased, more bonuses on the way for da banksters, just in time for the holidays.

The serfs will have to enjoy a lump of coal in their stocking for X-Mas.
If they can afford a stocking or a place to hang it, that is.

Comment by Muggy
2011-10-05 15:42:45

Coal is for closers. Put that *ucking coal down! You think I’m kidding?!

 
Comment by Robin
2011-10-05 17:09:35

Sam’s Club had Christmas merchandise on display in late September.

Disgusting!

Comment by Muggy
2011-10-05 17:17:01

My kid’s daycare has had their “holiday tree” up since last Christmas, and now it has little pumpkin ornaments… in Florida, no less.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 13:38:52

Unions give Wall Street protesters some oomph

Posted: Oct 05, 2011 3:34 AM EDT
Updated: Oct 05, 2011 4:28 PM EDT

By DEEPTI HAJELA and VERENA DOBNIK
Associated Press
NEW YORK (AP) - A diverse group of powerful unions joined demonstrations near Wall Street on Wednesday, lending focus, credibility and potentially hundreds of participants to a group that started out with a few college students camping out in lower Manhattan.

Among those planning to join the clamor were members of the Chinatown Tenants Union and the Transit Workers Union, the liberal group MoveOn.org and community organizations such as the Working Families Party and United NY. At several colleges across the nation, students participated from afar by heeding organizers’ calls to walk out of classes.

In New York, protesters were gathering at Foley Square, an area encircled by courthouses and named for “Big Tom” Foley, a former blacksmith’s helper who became a prominent state Democratic leader. From there they were to march to Zuccotti Park, the unofficial headquarters where protesters have been camped out in sleeping bags.

It’s unclear how many people will be joining the march on Wednesday, but some organizers said thousands could show up. About 1,000 people were in Foley Square shortly before the march was to begin.

Some union members were driving in from other states. Roxanne Pauline, a coordinator for the Northeastern Pennsylvania Area Labor Federation, said some of her union’s members plan to stay in Zuccotti Park over the weekend.

Hundreds of college students at New York’s sprawling public university system walked out of classes Wednesday afternoon, some in a show of solidarity for the Wall Street movement but many more concerned with worries closer to home. Protests were scheduled at State University of New York campuses including Albany, Buffalo, Binghamton, New Paltz and Purchase.

Danielle Kingsbury, a 21-year-old senior from New Paltz, said she walked out of an American literature class to show support for some of her professors who she said have had their workloads increased because of budget cuts.

“The state of education in our country is ridiculous,” said Kingsbury, who plans to teach. “The state doesn’t care about it and we need to fight back about that.”

MoveOn.org is planning a “virtual march” on its website by encouraging people to post photos of themselves with the caption: “I’m the 99 percent.” The group’s executive director, Justin Ruben, called the protesters “brave young people” who have successfully inspired others to join them.

“From our perspective, we’re protesting kind of the greed that led to the collapse of our economy,” Ruben said. “The fact that these banks aren’t paying their fair share.”

http://www.abc27.com/story/15619283/wall-street-protest-expected-to-widen -

 
Comment by sfrenter
2011-10-05 14:04:58

OLATHE, Colo. — How can there be a labor shortage when nearly one out of every 11 people in the nation are unemployed?

That’s the question John Harold asked himself last winter when he was trying to figure out how much help he would need to harvest the corn and onions on his 1,000-acre farm here in western Colorado.

The simple-sounding plan that resulted — hire more local people and fewer foreign workers — left Mr. Harold and others who took a similar path adrift in a predicament worthy of Kafka.

Mr. Harold, a 71-year-old Vietnam War veteran who drifted here in the late ’60s, has participated for about a decade in a federal program called H-2A that allows seasonal foreign workers into the country to make up the gap where willing and able American workers are few in number. He typically has brought in about 90 people from Mexico each year from July through October.

This year, though, with tough times lingering and a big jump in the minimum wage under the program, to nearly $10.50 an hour, Mr. Harold brought in only two-thirds of his usual contingent. The other positions, he figured, would be snapped up by jobless local residents wanting some extra summer cash.

“It didn’t take me six hours to realize I’d made a heck of a mistake,” Mr. Harold said, standing in his onion field on a recent afternoon as a crew of workers from Mexico cut the tops off yellow onions and bagged them.

Six hours was enough, between the 6 a.m. start time and noon lunch break, for the first wave of local workers to quit. Some simply never came back and gave no reason. Twenty-five of them said specifically, according to farm records, that the work was too hard. On the Harold farm, pickers walk the rows alongside a huge harvest vehicle called a mule train, plucking ears of corn and handing them up to workers on the mule who box them and lift the crates, each weighing 45 to 50 pounds.

“It is not an easy job,” said Kerry Mattics, 49, another H-2A farmer here in Olathe, who brought in only a third of his usual Mexican crew of 12 workers for his 50-acre fruit and vegetable farm, then struggled to make it through the season. “It’s outside, so if it’s wet, you’re wet, and if it’s hot you’re hot,” he said.

Still, Mr. Mattics said, he can’t help feeling that people have gotten soft.

Comment by Carl Morris
2011-10-05 14:41:42

Just like tech workers take months to come up to speed in a new position, it’s only reasonable that somebody doing manual labor for the first time in…ever?…probably also needs time to come up to speed.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-10-05 14:50:03

Reminds me of that old adage: You have to learn how to work the job.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-05 14:52:13

I worked my way through college splitting firewood on a farm. Hydraulic wedge, the work was in moving tons of wood to and from. It took about six months to get up to speed and I was young.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-10-05 15:14:33

Never mind the fact that it’s a $10/hr job (before taxes) way out in BFE.

Some say Americans are too lazy………I say that it proves that many Americans can do rudimentary math. And can read a map.

“Yeah, I’m only making $1/hour after expenses…….but I’ll do okay when I get over 40 hours, and can clear $1.50…”

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-10-05 15:17:01

“……can’t help feeling that people have gotten soft.”

…….as his sits in the air conditioned cab of his F-350, slurping down a Big Gulp, and rolls down the window to yell at the Mexicans if he thinks they are slacking off…….

 
Comment by Muggy
2011-10-05 16:57:45

That’s amazing. I would pick veggies PT for $10.50/hr. on the weekends. I’d even do it in the FL sun.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-05 19:41:58

pickers walk the rows alongside a huge harvest vehicle called a mule train

Devil’s in the details…this type of work is not strolling hand-n-hand thru Martha Stewart’s herb garden.

(Or as the line boss said to John Henry: “Sweat, boy, SWEAT!”)

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 14:23:36

Economic View
The Beauty Contest That’s Shaking Wall St.
By ROBERT J. SHILLER
Published: September 3, 2011

The best strategy, Keynes noted, isn’t to pick the faces that are your personal favorites. It is to select those that you think others will think prettiest. Better yet, he said, move to the “third degree” and pick the faces you think that others think that still others think are prettiest. Similarly in speculative markets, he said, you win not by picking the soundest investment, but by picking the investment that others, who are playing the same game, will soon bid up higher. Keynes didn’t say where and when he saw this beauty contest. The New York Times ran one very much like it in 1913. It was called the “Girl of To-Day Contest,” and readers were asked to submit a photograph of a young woman that they deemed “most typical of the American girl.” A panel of artists was asked to select a winner from these pictures.

The Times reported the “dismay” of the panel at the difficulty of its job. Snippets of the conversation were recorded: “We are not here to select the prettiest girl of the lot,” one judge said. “Here’s a face women would like,” said another. “They would not consider her dangerous.”

We see such dismay among stock market investors today. People are trying to guess whether other investors are thinking that yet others are thinking that the stock market is “dangerous,” or whether it is instead a great time to invest. And investors are making that decision with little more information than the “Girl of To-Day” judges had.

When you hear a conversation among professional investors — including those who manage money for big institutions like university endowments and pension funds — it often sounds as if they are engaged in just this kind of guesswork. You wonder how many people are actually basing their decisions on what is taught in business school: calculating an optimal portfolio based on a rational statistical analysis of fundamental economic data. If you believe in efficient markets, you have to conclude that some other investors are doing those calculations today, because they don’t seem the main activity of the people I’m hearing.

In fact, the best explanation for the market’s back-and-forth swings is that each day we are conducting a Keynesian beauty contest, and reassessing what others think that still others are thinking. On days without much news, the market is simply reacting to itself. And because anxiety is running high, investors make quick, sometimes impulsive, responses to relatively minor events.

Alan Greenspan, the former Fed chairman, typified the concerns about other investors on “Meet the Press” on Aug. 7, the Sunday before the market’s big drop of almost 7 percent. “What I think the S.& P. thing did was to hit a nerve that there’s something basically bad going on, and it’s hit the self-esteem of the United States, the psyche,” he said. “And it’s having a much profounder effect than I conceived could happen.” He was talking about what other investors were thinking, not about the substance of the S.& P. downgrade.

Over that weekend, there was widespread speculation that the downgrade would push interest rates way up. But on Aug. 8, even before the Fed issued its statement, 10-year Treasury yields began to drop, not rise, and many people started to reassess what other people were thinking — and what other people were thinking about other people, and so on.

This process creates uncertainty not only for the stock market, but also for the overall economy. The only thing to fear is fear itself, Franklin D. Roosevelt said of the Great Depression, and he was right. We are constantly trying to reassess the fear of others, and others’ fear that others are also afraid.

This may sound like a crazy game, but if others are playing it, we must, too. The outlook for the economy depends on how this convoluted beauty contest plays out.

Comment by Neuromance
2011-10-05 16:50:44

Ultimately, a stock is worth what someone will pay for it. Be it a penny-ante day trader, or an institutional trader.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-05 16:40:08

Steve Jobs died.

Comment by GH
2011-10-05 16:57:10

I just saw this. The loss of a true American visionary and entrepreneur…

Comment by unc
2011-10-05 17:18:25

What does this blog care about entrepreneurs. Everyone here wants
to tax the crap out of the “rich”. R.I.P. Steve Jobs.

Comment by SaladSD
2011-10-05 20:36:32

So, exactly why are you lurking on this blog, unc a lunc? Seems like you’d prefer the company of ditto heads.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-05 20:55:11

‘What does this blog care about entrepreneurs.’

I’m an entrepreneur. I’ve met several other HBB posters that are as well.

‘prefer the company of ditto heads’

I’ve never listened Limbaugh except in passing, and I probably don’t fit in most of the stereotypes out there.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-10-05 20:59:19

+100

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Comment by Muggy
2011-10-05 17:53:28

“Steve Jobs died.”

Yeah, he will be missed. I love Apple stuff - it changed my life, seriously. On the flip side: pollution, H1-Bs, no-suicide contracts, etc.

Apple is the best and worst of everything.

 
Comment by SV guy
2011-10-05 19:12:06

Truly one of a kind.

R.I.P. Steve

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-05 19:36:23

Steve Jobs = gui
Bill Gates = dos

Moral of the story:
POV’s do matter. :-)

Tankxs for the “computer as Art” Mr. Jobs!

(Is it true that the design plan was to have no viewing windows for the first US astronauts in space?)

 
 
Comment by varelse
2011-10-05 17:32:38

To exeter/Realtors are liars,

I hate your politics, but I love your pizza recipe. I made it for my family tonight, and my wife is a bit chagrined because it came out better than her recipe. (she said it, not me, I’m not that dumb). I didn’t get it perfect, but I look forward to perfecting it in the future. That recipe has the potential to be the best homemade pizza I have ever had.

Comment by Muggy
2011-10-05 17:57:29

“I hate your politics, but I love your pizza recipe.”

LMFAO. My nomination for best HBB post in 2011.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-06 08:49:57

Keep working on it and you’ll perfect it. It’s in the crust.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-10-05 18:02:27

The kiddos are doing well, and growing so fast! My son asked today who lives next door. Lol… it’s a long story, little guy.

http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab205/muggyflo/IMG_6990.jpg

Comment by Awaiting
2011-10-05 19:17:01

Muggy- Adorable. They are growing like weeds.
I remember when your “caboose” was born. Time filies!

Comment by Awaiting
2011-10-05 19:28:14

flies- opps

 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-10-05 18:30:04

Anonymous threatens NYSE:

“On Oct. 10, NYSE will be erased from the internet. On Oct. 10, expect a day that will never, ever be forgot.”

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/05/occupy-wall-street-march-college-walk-out-planned-as-%E2%80%98anonymous%E2%80%99-releases-threat-against-nyse/

Comment by combotechie
2011-10-05 19:27:23

“The group also called for a student walk out at college campuses across the country to protest ‘against unforgiveable student debt and soaring tuition rates’.”

Does anyone think anything through anymore?

Is NOT going to school after acquiring “unforgiveable student debt” and paying “soaring tuition rates” really such a good idea?

Doesn’t NOT going to school defeat the purpose of acquiring the debt and paying the high tuition?

Comment by combotechie
2011-10-05 19:30:45

Maybe I should quit my job so I can spend time protesting against the unemployment rate.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-06 03:49:59

LMAO

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Comment by aragonzo
2011-10-06 08:55:34

You hit the nail on the head. This protest would not have happened during the peak of the housing boom or the dot com buildup because people have better alternatives than protesting.

You’re not going because you are working. Others are there because that is what is left for them to do.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-10-05 22:19:20

Bloomberg
Anti-Wall Street Protests Spread From New York to San Francisco
October 05, 2011, 11:51 PM EDT
By Esme E. Deprez and Alison Vekshin

Oct. 6 (Bloomberg) — Demonstrators from New York City to San Francisco took to the streets yesterday to protest what they call a growing wealth disparity between large U.S. corporations and average citizens in the wake of the financial crisis.

Picketers marched as part of the Occupy Wall Street movement that began three weeks ago in Lower Manhattan and has spread across the U.S. The New York crowd was estimated at 10,000, according to Patrick Bruner, a spokesman for the effort.

“There’s power in numbers, and we outnumber the people we’re trying to hold accountable,” said Henry Liedtka, a 27- year-old pharmacy worker from New Jersey who said he’s protested since Oct. 2. “We should be bailing out the American public — not corporations — by raising the minimum wage, bringing jobs back from overseas and improving labor conditions.”

Protesters criticized the government for propping up hobbled financial giants, including Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp., with a $700 billion taxpayer-funded bailout in 2008, while leaving Americans to struggle with unemployment, depressed wages, soaring foreclosure rates and slashed retirement savings.

“We bailed them out and they are not lending the money,” JoAnn Herr, 60, a retired sheet-metal worker from Oakland, California, said in an interview yesterday outside the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, where a march through downtown formed. “They are just holding onto it, giving themselves bigger bonuses and not paying their fair share of taxes.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 23:20:21

Gross Trails Vanguard Index Fund as Top Bond Managers Blindsided by Rally
By Charles Stein - Oct 5, 2011 9:00 PM PT

Bill Gross’s Pimco Total Return Fund, the world’s biggest mutual fund, is trailing a low-cost Vanguard index fund this year as some of the top bond investors were blindsided by the rally in Treasuries.

Gross’ fund returned 1.5 percent this year through Oct. 4, compared with 8.9 percent for the $10.4 billion Vanguard Intermediate Term Bond Fund, which outperformed 99 percent of intermediate bond funds tracked by Chicago-based Morningstar Inc. The Vanguard fund, which tracks an index rather than trying to beat it, topped managers including Loomis Sayles & Co.’s Dan Fuss and TCW Group Inc.’s Tad Rivelle.

“At the beginning of the year I don’t think many managers would have said Treasuries are the place to be or that the yield on the 10-year would go to 2 percent,” Douglas Swanson, manager of the $21 billion JPMorgan Core Bond Fund (WOBDX), said in a telephone interview from Columbus, Ohio. His fund gained 6.5 percent this year.

The Vanguard fund, which beat 95 percent of funds over the past five years, won because it held bonds with longer maturities than rivals and three times as many Treasuries. While that allocation may hurt returns when interest rates start to rise, the fund’s performance highlights the growing challenge to fixed-income managers from the passive strategies that have already grabbed a fifth of U.S. stock fund assets.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-05 23:25:13

Funds earmarked for loans to the next generation’s Steve Jobs’ startup have been diverted to repay TARP.

BUSINESS
OCTOBER 5, 2011, 10:41 P.M. ET

Tale of Two Loan Programs
U.S. Funds Targeted for Small Business Instead Used by Banks to Repay TARP
BY EMILY MALTBY AND ANGUS LOTEN

More than half of $4 billion in federal funds disbursed this year to spur small-business lending by community banks was used to repay bailout funds that the banks received under the government’s Troubled Asset Relief Program.

The Small Business Lending Fund was meant to raise capital at smaller banks, which tend to lend more heavily to small businesses, in the hopes of jump-starting growth and employment. But instead of directly lending to small businesses, many of the banks used the money to rid themselves of higher-cost TARP debt and tougher restrictions.

“It was basically a bailout for 100-plus banks,”…

 
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