The Bet Has Failed
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Elaine Dobson, partner at Bircham Dyson Bell LLP believes that even with the economic doom and gloom in the UK property market, central London and in particular prime central London is a property bubble that can’t be burst. ‘The Central London property bubble seems to be intact with much of the investment coming from abroad, explains Dobson. ‘The outer edges of London, north of the M25 and in other areas around the UK are stagnating badly. It just seems to be London and other small pockets in Cheshire, Cornwall and Oxfordshire that buck the trend completely - and seem immune from the full effects of the economic downturn.’”
“It’s spring and a young man’s (or woman’s) thoughts turn towards … property. And what charms it may hold this year. The days are long gone when you had to race from auction to auction to nail a purchase before prices soared higher. Researcher Australian Property Monitors is predicting just 5 per cent growth in values over the next year. Prices in some areas may fall. The days of 100 per cent home loans are gone, so you’ll need at least a 5 per cent deposit - preferably much more.”
“With Sydney and Melbourne median house prices about $600,000, that’s a deposit of at least $30,000.”
“Some lenders are still insisting on a 10 per cent deposit. HSBC’s head of mortgages, Alice Del Vecchio, says some lenders are lowering their hurdles but ‘from our perspective, we remain quite rigorous in terms of how robust we want customers to be … we want to make sure they’re not stretching themselves even before they start.’”
“With Greece on the verge of debt default and other European countries threatening to follow, it was a little ironic this week to hear the International Monetary Fund issue a warning Canadian household debt is getting too high. After all, aren’t we the poster children for financial prudence in the new millennium? Well, actually no. Canadian household debt really is at the highest levels in history, by many measures.”
“It’s quite understandable we have racked up such debts, with rising house prices and ever more convenient line of credit products allowing the use of people’s homes as ATM machines. The worst part of it, in my view, is that much of this money has been used for consumer goods, from cars to home theatre to travel, all of which are depreciating assets.”
“Finance Minister Jim Flaherty answered the IMF report by saying he wants to see ‘clear evidence of a bubble in the housing market in Canada, which we have not seen,’ before taking more steps, according to Bloomberg News.”
“There are currently 132 highrise buildings under construction in Toronto, according to the figures. There is little fear among industry experts that Toronto construction is outstripping demande. In fact, some are worried about the opposite. There are more than 39,000 condo units under construction in the region, according to Ben Myers, executive VP of market research firm Urbanation — ‘and 88 per cent of those are already sold.’ A further 118 buildings are in pre-construction, he said, and three-quarters of those are sold. ‘We’re just continually getting larger and larger and larger.’”
“Setting the standard for height are buildings like the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, the tallest building in the world with over 160 storeys. And Toronto is set to follow suit. ‘The whole centre of the city is going to change dramatically; it’s going to be very tall. In the very centre of the city, the height limits that are possible are unlimited so we can have a 1,000-storey building in the centre of the city,’ says Richard Wit, director of Toronto’s RAW Design.”
“There are mountains of bargains at Blue Mountain Ski Resort with condo prices on the resale market down as much as 40 per cent from their peak. Gerry Wayland, broker at Village Realty Inc, explains that a two-bedroom unit with ‘moderate owner usage’ will generate an income in the rental program that will cover most of the about $16,000 operational cost of ownership. ‘But it won’t cover the cost of the mortgage,’ he says. ‘An investor says, ‘You mean it won’t cover my mortgage?’ while end users are delighted that their other costs are covered,’ says Wayland.”
“Joe Zinner, who purchased a one-bedroom unit at Red leaves when it was launched in 2008, says his family has enjoyed using their unit, but he is now hopeful that he will start to see a return on his investment. ‘I can tell you we are all thrilled and very pleased about the new owners, they are very shrewd operators,’ says Zinner.”
“A number of the long vacant condo units at Aquattro in Colwood found buyers over the summer. Anthem Properties, based in Vancouver, has taken over marketing the empty units on behalf of the receiver of the bankrupt $350-million project. Now Anthem is looking to move five larger units for deep discounts, including some with three bedrooms and a den, in the $500,000 range. ‘That’s 40 to 50 per cent less than they were originally listed for,’ sales director Robert Marchant said. ‘These are homes built pre-2008, when the economy was better.’”
“The Haven project, which has become the talk of many Perakians given the many advertisements on billboards here and the developer’s continued commitment to the project despite skepticism by certain quarters, has thrust Superboom Projects into the limelight. The developer is now in talks with landowners from Kuala Lumpur, Cameron Highlands in Pahang and Australia to undertake condominium developments on their land.”
“Although property prices of its earlier two projects have appreciated by 100% in just two years, it is The Haven that has put Perak in the limelight for five-star luxury condo-living. ‘The price may not reach those of the major cities (in Malaysia), but the appreciation will be faster because of a lower base,’ said Superboom Projects CEO Peter Chan. He added: ‘There is a vacuum for such (luxurious) properties that the people want to own it but the only thing preventing them from getting it is the mindset on condo-living in Ipoh. So there is no supply until we come along (with the project).’”
“There are signs of trouble in the China’s real-estate market, which has the potential to ripple across the Pacific Ocean and affect Vancouver housing prices. Patrick Chovanec, a professor at Tsinghua University’s School of Economics and Management in Beijing, adds that ‘one potential interpretation of this crisis is that China is entering the terminal stage of a bubble, and that what we are seeing are the early signs of a much broader collapse.’”
“‘More significant, in my eyes, are reports — which began emerging in late August — that in several cities across China, prices in primary housing markets (developers selling to homeowners) have begun falling away from those in secondary markets (homeowners selling to other homeowners). The effected markets include not only 1st tier metropolises (Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen) but also 2nd tier (Chongqing, Wuhan, Tianjin, Zhenghou) and 3rd tier (Ningbo, Foshan, Wuxi) ones as well.’”
“Chovanec mentions that one report mentioned a price gap in Beijing and Shanghai of 20 percent. Developers are dropping the price of their product because they need cash. In recent years, Vancouver’s real-estate market has been fuelled in part by the influx of Chinese buyers. If our housing becomes less competitive and the rich in China are feeling squeezed, that could reduce the number of purchasers.”
“Farmland prices are rising rapidly across Minnesota and the rest of the United States. Data tabulations lag a lot, but much evidence supports estimated price increases of 25 percent to 30 percent in just the past two years. Even the tax statements for our own small farm show a tripling of value in less than a decade.”
“Bubbles may stem from irrationality, something the geezer generation within economics is loath to accept. In late 2007, even as the housing bubble began to collapse, Eugene Fama, the father of efficient market theory, famously denied that bubbles can even exist. ‘The word ‘bubble’ drives me nuts,’ he said.”
“A few see the Fed as the instigator of all of this. First, its low interest rates over the past four years make buying farmland cheaper, and its repeated commitments to keeping interest rates low for an extended period accentuate the incentives. Its recent initiative to lower long-term rates further compounds the problem. Secondly, some blame easy money for a bubble in commodity prices themselves, including those of farm products, thus artificially inflating the profits numerator in valuation calculations.”
“In 2008, panicked governments and central banks injected huge amounts of money into their economies, in the form of government spending, tax concessions, ultra-low interest rates and ‘non-conventional’ monetary strategies - code for printing money.”
“The actions prevented the Great Depression 2.0 temporarily, converting it into a deep recession. The US economy shrank by 8.9 per cent in 2008. As individuals and companies reduced debt as banks cut off the supply of credit, governments increased their borrowing, propping up demand to keep the game going for a little longer. Governments gambled on a return to growth, solving all the problems.”
“That bet has failed and high levels of government debt in some developed nations have become the central problem.”
With Greece on the verge of debt default and other European countries threatening to follow, it was a little ironic this week to hear the International Monetary Fund issue a warning Canadian household debt is getting too high. After all, aren’t we the poster children for financial prudence in the new millennium? Well, actually no. Canadian household debt really is at the highest levels in history, by many measures.”
“It’s quite understandable we have racked up such debts, with rising house prices and ever more convenient line of credit products allowing the use of people’s homes as ATM machines. The worst part of it, in my view, is that much of this money has been used for consumer goods, from cars to home theatre to travel, all of which are depreciating assets.”
What was that saying in the remake of Battlestar Galactica (regarding the creation and eventually rebellion of sentient robots)?
Oh, yes! I remember!
“This has happened before and will happen again”
It’s actually the following saying:
“All this has happened before…and all this will happen again.”
It just seems to be London and other small pockets in Cheshire, Cornwall and Oxfordshire that buck the trend completely - and seem immune from the full effects of the economic downturn.
Speaking as the descendant of people who left Cornwall because they had to, I’m a bit skeptical. After the Cornish economy collapsed in the 1800s, this part of (excuse me, fellow family members for saying this) England just sat there.*
Then it was discovered by people looking for a holiday destination. So, in essence, what Cornwall now has going for it is tourism. A lot of second homes. Methinks we’ve seen this movie before, and it’s not called “Saving Grace.”
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*If you’re Cornish, you’re not supposed to refer to where you’re from as England. You’re from Cornwall, and that’s it. End of discussion. Don’t ever call it England again.
it’s going to be very tall. In the very centre of the city, the height limits that are possible are unlimited so we can have a 1,000-storey building in the centre of the city,’ says Richard Wit, director of Toronto’s RAW Design
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I thought more than 200 story buildings were not feasible because the elevator shafts required to have enough elevators to move people would consume 100% of the building?
I cannot imagine the mental state required to think, in this day and age, that a thousand-story building is a plausible idea. This kind of insane and self-congratulating grandiosity, which we excuse by calling it “vision,” knows no peer.
I visited Toronto about ten years ago, and I’m trying to visualize 132 high-rises under construction. And the country’s finance minister won’t acknowledge clear evidence of a bubble! If there was any justice, that statement would end his career.
The bubble isn’t over in Toronto until they break ground on a really tall building.
Yeah maybe there will be some solution involving multiple elevators in each shaft. Or a pair of shafts - one for up and one for down, with elevators switching shafts like a train switches tracks.
Yeah, it could be built.
The question: Should it be built?
Or in today’s environment: Would it be built, absent various government incentives/giveaways?
Stairs would also be required to evacuate the building in case of fire.
Recall that a good number of people evacuated the World Trade Center via the stairways. People who used the elevators weren’t as lucky.
My former office building wasn’t impressive by international, national, or even local standards. But I saw what happened when we had fire drills and had to descend the stairs as part of the exercise. Americans in general are almost traumatically unfit. From the whining you’d have thought people were descending Mt. Whitney.
I grew up on the Minnesota family farm and some brothers still farm. This bubble happened before in the late 1970’s. Democrats had passed huge farm bills that gave loads of money to farmers and farmers use their own Federal loan system called Federal Home Loan Banks. So the income and the availability of credit led to huge increases in farmland values.
The Soviet Union was importing vast amounts of grain so there was no danger of a bust.
Then the Soviet Union invaded Afganistan and Jimmy Carter did a grain embargo. Then there was Paul Volker who was nominated to the Fed by Carter. Pop went the bubble.
If the Gov cuts farm subisidies then it pops. Of it the subsidy for gasahol is cut? Or if interest rates go up? Or if there are trade problems where countries do not want our grain possibly because they cannot afford it do to the strong dollar?
So I think it is going to pop and the losses will be absorbed by the Federal Home Loan Banks which are owned by the Feds.
“…central London and in particular prime central London is a property bubble that can’t be burst.”
Central London and Manhattan Island are twins — both completely immune from the market forces that are hammering housing in most other parts of the world.
I agree Pbear…Concentrated wealth…
The Toronto condo story is amazing - i am really not sure what continues to drive it. But looking at household income to mortgage rates, it does not make sense. Are parents helping kids out? Is it foreign immigrant $ coming in?
I just don’t know
Watching “income property” on HGTV, it is pure mania.
$500k for a 1-bedroom/bath house in Toronto.
10 years of property insanity has installed a deep sense of Canada being different.
“The actions prevented the Great Depression 2.0 temporarily, converting it into a deep recession.”
That’s what people who oppose the actions by, for example, the Federal Reserve have to remember. It would have been Great Depression II.
“That bet has failed and high levels of government debt in some developed nations have become the central problem.”
What this says is that perhaps Great Depression II was inevitable, given how high debts had soared. And than Bernanke is wrong in believing that government mistakes, rather than the build up of debt and speculation, led to Great Depression I.
It’s still GDII…just in slow(er) motion.
That’s what I’m beginning to conclude.
However, “let the economy collapse, and live in poverty for a few years, and maybe things will get better unless the crisis produces another Hitler or Stalin” isn’t a good re-election slogan.
‘That’s what people who oppose the actions by, for example, the Federal Reserve have to remember. It would have been Great Depression II’
Yeah, they saved us from Armageddon. We would have all been unemployed if Wall Street had to take a loss.
What this steps over is, we probably wouldn’t have had these bubbles on this scale if it wasn’t for govt bungling, central bank intervention.
Saying that we have to have govt spending begs the question, why is govt spending so much? How is $12 million/hour in Afghanistan helping our economy? Our infrastructure is crumbling on the govt watch, but we better give them more money or our bridges will collapse. I for one am tired of the threats.
If the central bank is the problem, a more activist or powerful central bank isn’t the solution. If govt spending is the problem, more isn’t the solution.
I for one am tired of the threats ??
As am I….Its a continuum of the fear card…Bush & Cheney played it to the tens…The Wall Street players are playing to the tens now…
The threat is real, but the willingness or ability to give back the hostage appears to be missing.
If they are going to shoot the hostage anyway, why pay the ransom?
I can’t see how things could possibly have been worse if we had let the banks fail and nationalized them. The bank managers might have hit the unemployment line, but others would have taken their places on more modest government pay. Confidence would have been restored immediately. There would not have been an echo bubble in commodities. We’d be well on our way to building a sustainable economy. Well we’d have had that chance. Now we still face the same postponed disaster, just with a bigger price tag.
Had the big banks been allowed to go bye bye and smaller community banks been given a real boost I think today we would have REAL competition in banking.
That said we continue to have a VERY dysfunctional banking system comprised of ever fewer banks…
I actually would like to see a great deal of currency created to offset all the debt created over the past 30 years and understand it would be inflationary, but inflationary in the way a bullet if lethal once it enters the body rather than when the trigger is pulled.
The current policy of allowing debt to default then trying to clean up the mess is not working and will not work more and more.
The debt should NEVER have been issued without sufficient currency to back it to begin with!
A debt based economy is destined to fail. Each and every time!
Ill maintain that we should have bailed out CIT and not AIG
CIT provided loans cash advances on receivables and letters of credit for the shipping industries when that stopped then the shipping rates collasped and small business who needed cash flow had no choice but to close up shop…(Hence 750,000 job loses in a month)…a very bad mistake in my book
Had the big banks been allowed to go bye bye and smaller community banks been given a real boost I think today we would have REAL competition in banking.