October 11, 2011

Bits Bucket for October 11, 2011

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Comment by CA renter
2011-10-11 04:12:29

Awaiting,

Just saw that you made an offer on a house in the October 9th Bits Bucket.

Congratulations! :)

When rates are so low for so long, buying a house is like earning money on your cash (the amount saved by not paying rent, minus insurance, taxes, maintenance, etc.). The Fed has put prospective buyers, especially those with cash, between a rock and a hard place…which was exactly their goal.

Still, since you intend to make this your toe-tag house, once you buy, you just have to stick your head in the sand and not look at housing prices anymore. Tough for an HBBer to do, but necessary to avoid the stress.

Please let us know how it all goes!

So happy for you!

Comment by Montana
2011-10-11 06:01:16

I think she’s getting cold feet…

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 06:12:53

My feet have been soaking in a bucket of ice water since late 2004.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-10-11 07:17:54

Ca renter
Nice to hear from you.
Just 2 minutes ago, we rescinded our offer(faxed). The pool needed at least $10K in repairs, and who ever got the house ready as an REO, tiled almost every room in the house, and it was too costly to pull it out and lay wood flooring.
It was not the ideal neighborhood feel, and after going there at different times of the day, we didn’t like the noise issues.

We did the usual T pros and cons, and the cons were screaming back out. So the hunt continues…(darn it!)
We might look at a higher price point and use our cash to low ball. We have chutzpah. WTH

Are you all moved in yet?
Any buyer’s remorse, and are you guys happy as clams?

Comment by Awaiting
2011-10-11 07:20:26

“and” should be “or”
You know, I need to slow down and edit.

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Comment by The_Overdog
2011-10-11 07:30:35

Why would you pull out tiles to lay wood flooring over the top?

You can just put down some underlayment and put wood over the tops of the tiles, unless there are ceiling height issues.

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-10-11 08:06:40

The_Overdog
Evidently, you have experience in replacing flooring. Would the tile serve as a mositure barrier, or could a moisture problem occur?

Thank you for putting the seed in our heads for when we find a suitable home. We’ve always bought new and picked our flooring from get go. This is our first resale.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-10-11 09:09:34

No the tile doesn’t serve as a moisture barrier since most tile is somewhat porous. But the moisture barrier can be as simple as some $20 for 100 sq ft plastic underlayment, and you typically either glue down or install a floating wood floor over concrete or tile. Any flooring professional can do this for you, or if you have strong back and can stand the mess of the glue, you can do it yourself.

Ripping up the tiles to get to a flat concrete floor to install hardwoods over the concrete would be very expensive.

You can of course buy thicker underlayment as well, it’s not better from a moisture standpoint, but does make your hardwoods quieter to walk across.

The only concern would be height issues as, you know, tile + mortar underneath is a couple of inches thick and then if you add another inch of woodflooring above that, you are into 3-5″ of floor.

Transitions can also be messy if you go from one type of flooring to another if they are not of similar height.

 
Comment by SV guy
2011-10-11 09:24:10

Adding new layers to an already suspect layer/layers is lunacy imo.

If you’re going to flip a property yes. If you plan to keep absolutely not.

Do it once and do it right.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2011-10-11 10:41:08

Why would you consider a layer of tile to be suspect? I would consider suspect floors to be those laid poorly or with structural integrity issues. Awaiting didn’t mention them being in poor condition, just mentioned changing them for preference. Laying a hardwood floor alone would be about $6 a sq foot, why double that to pull out a floor that is perfectly serviceable, assuming the issues I mentioned don’t apply?

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-10-11 13:09:36

Depending on the type of tile, there are several water proof sealers available.

Also, removing tile is not that difficult and does not require any skill, but a little bit of sweat.

 
Comment by Pete
2011-10-11 15:11:18

I’d also want to know the condition of the floor underneath that tile they put in.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-10-11 16:03:06

Thank you all for chimming in.

There is a new home to look at in this almost non-existant inventory, but it’s pricey. It looks like someone got left a 2,400 sq ft one story (pool & spa) in a Will and wants to unload it. It’s free money to them. I was thinking of looking at it and low balling w/ a quick escrow. It’s dropped $10K in 30+ days. Not 100% perfect but not horrible. First time on the market as a resale. Looks like the deceased owner’s toe-tag home.

Has anyone had experience with greedy relatives and free money? Would they take $50K less you think?
(Hey, they can’t eat or shoot us)

 
Comment by CA renter
2011-10-12 03:01:36

Awaiting,

This is exactly the situation we bought into. Our elderly neighbor (to our rental) passed away, and her kids (grandparents, themselves) came from out of state to sell the house.

We offered list, but let the appraiser do our heavy lifting — we knew it wouldn’t appraise for list. They balked, we cancelled, they came back the next day and took our offer. We made everything very easy for them, and offered to close within days of the inspection because we were in the same position as you. This is why they decided to take our offer, even though they think we were lowballers (we weren’t, IMHO).

Like you’ve said, it’s free money to heirs.

BTW, we are not moved in yet, and probably won’t be moving in for at least another 2-3 months. Since it’s our toe-tag house, we’re trying to get *everything* done first so we can hopefully avoid having workers/construction going on in the house once we’re in.

We’re taking advantage of the fact that we live a few houses away and can easily manage all the work.

Absolutely NO buyer’s remorse. None. Like you, we’ve pulled out of our share of escrows because one thing or another was off. With this one, we knew it was the right one, so I acted very decisively and quickly, and dealt directly with the sellers before getting any agents involved.

 
 
Comment by Montana
2011-10-11 09:07:08

Well done.

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Comment by rms
2011-10-11 11:33:51

“It was not the ideal neighborhood feel, and after going there at different times of the day, we didn’t like the noise issues.”

Dandelions take root wherever they land, thrive anywhere despite the conditions. You must be an Orchid…like my wife.

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-10-11 12:30:56

rms
We took into consideration the road noise, church noise with events, traffic, and other factors. We sat in the yard on Sunday afternoon and listened. We went there at rush hour on Monday and didn’t like the closeness of the main thoroughfare noise.

When we evaluate neighborhoods and homes, we aren’t superficial. We can live with minor issues and annoyances. The big ones ruin your life experience.

 
Comment by rms
2011-10-11 18:01:20

You’re lucky to have “choice” in your life. My options always seem to be limited despite my ascent through the layers of economic strata. FWIW, I like riding my bicycle through neighborhoods of interest. Sounds like you did a thorough do-diligence; smart!

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-10-11 20:13:54

Thanks rms, for the feedback and compliment on our do diligence. Great suggestion on riding a bike around the neighborhood of interest.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-11 04:23:46

Realtors Are Liars®

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 05:12:10

I tried the Marinara sauce. Excelent! What could be more appropriate for ship’s official pizza? The Romano is something I had never tried either, but it seemed very familiar. Thanks.

The last four days have been a bonus of summer weather. Leaves are peaking. Great cruising weather. Time to haul soon. Next cruising season, the Trent Severne and Georgian Bay. Plenty of Marinara and Romano will be aboard!

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-11 05:56:04

Blue,

The marinara is the eay part. We found a jarred retail marinara(eek!) that is better than we can manufacture at home. Try Victoria brand. Made in Brooklyn. It’s nothing like the name brand junk laced garbage like Prego, Ragu. You’ll have to sweeten it with some sugar though. Some NY pizza joints don’t use romano but those shops that use it have the best tasting pizza. You can’t see it, but you can smell it and tasting as it is unmistakable. Use it sparingly or the flavor is harsh. Getting the hang of getting the crust right took years. If you have no appreciation for NY pizza, the crust won’t matter. But to us, the crust is everything.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 06:40:45

I read the jars and was amazed at the junk in some of the brands, such as P. Newman’s Own. Yuck! I used Bea’s Brooklyn. Will keep my eye out for Victoria. Maybe Wegman’s carries it.

Crust is everything. I do my dough from scratch. Long learning curve there, but like sex, practicing is good for you.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-11 21:07:53

You’ll never get the dough like a pizza shop but I wish all the luck.

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-10-11 07:57:23

Time to haul soon.

We once left the boat in till Thanksgiving weekend. Took it out at least once a week. Sometimes 2-3. That last weekend was really the most fun of all. Got to surf some 5-6 foot rollers in the late fall sun. (Winter fleece and goretex was necessary but worth the outing) That was outside Marblehead, MA. I was thinking this was shaping up to be the same kind of late haul season.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 08:27:30

It’s possible. Just watching/enjoying the weather. Making preparations for the move to the hard in the meantime. Sleeping aboard does change the equation at the edge of the season. I can’t complain about the good seven months I’ve had of that.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-11 14:51:03

Hey Blue loved reading about your life on a boat…so whats next? are you retired or make a living on the computer?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-11 04:23:54

California Nears Automatic Spending Cuts With Revenue $705 Million Short ~ Bloomberg

California’s revenue for the fiscal year that began three months ago has fallen $705 million below what Governor Jerry Brown and Democrats projected, approaching a level that may trigger automatic university spending cuts and higher community college fees.

September revenue came in $301.6 million below estimates, Controller John Chiang, a Democrat, said in a report today. July was $538.8 million less than forecast, Chiang said Aug. 9. Revenue in August was $135 million more than expected.

The $86 billion general-fund spending plan Brown signed in June included a series of cuts activated if higher revenue doesn’t materialize. The first, if the shortfall is $1 billion, would trim University of California and California State University budgets each by $100 million and increase community- college fees by $10 million.

With a $2 billion gap, the contraction would mean a seven- day reduction in the public-school year to save $1.54 billion and an end to $248 million in home-to-school busing subsidies. Brown’s finance department will determine in December if the cuts are needed based on revenue projections for the remainder of the fiscal year.

“The potential for revenue shortfalls is precisely why the Governor and Legislature included trigger cuts in this year’s state spending plan,” Chiang said in a statement. “September’s revenues alone do not guarantee that triggers will be pulled. But as the largest revenue month before December, these numbers do not paint a hopeful picture.”

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-11 04:55:58

Of course make kids suffer and not a word about basing your retirement ONLY on your base pay.

Naw kant maek gubmint werkers suffaH

Comment by SV guy
2011-10-11 05:27:32

He’s too busy handing out candy to illegals to worry about this DJ.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:43:27

I still don’t understand how CA comes up with new money to buy candy for illegals. How does this pencil out?

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Comment by Neuromance
2011-10-11 08:08:57

It’s all about political games, all about getting re-elected. It has nothing to do with what is fiscally sound.

 
Comment by scdave
2011-10-11 09:12:24

CA comes up with new money to buy candy for illegals. How does this pencil out ??

Sell bonds & raise fee’s…

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-10-11 07:59:28

Yeah, after reading that was passing, any whining about not enough money in the budget is all noise to me.

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Comment by 2banana
2011-10-11 05:28:36

But yet - more than enough money for scholarships for illegal immigrants…

Comment by Bad Chile
2011-10-11 05:43:15

I’m enjoying listening to my angry Russian co-worker complain that she heard on the radio that Medicare cuts are ahead. This after listening to her complain every day for the past year about the evils of nationalized health care.

*Thunk* goes my head against my desk.

Comment by Elanor
2011-10-11 09:35:19

We have a friend who used to rail against the eeevol Democrats who want to force publically funded health insurance on everybody. He is now on Medicare and couldn’t be happier.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 10:18:33

Well … according to the Tea Party types (at least the ones who suckle at the government teat) the Medicare they receive isn’t an entitlement.

 
Comment by GH
2011-10-11 20:09:58

the Medicare they receive isn’t an entitlement.

Except they never paid enough to support it at current medical costs. (cough)

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2011-10-11 11:17:57

+1. Give it a year or so, Chile. With all the *thunking* my head has done over the past year, I hardly feel a thing anymore.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:42:11

My daughter is planning to attend college out of state. Given the endlessly decrepit condition of CA state financing, I applaud her decision.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-11 06:06:14

I hope they would close 1/3 of the colleges as they are not needed

Then take the money and make sure ALL HS students can read write and speak English, and fund all sorts of mechanical skills training.

Make a HS diploma equal about 2 years of college…

Having remedial classes to get into college when you recently finished HS……is really embarrassing.

Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 06:30:08

dj, you keep hammering on this. I really don’t see what difference it will make. OK, so suppose they come out of high school speaking English. Or suppose they come out prison reading and interpreting the New York Times. Then what?

1. They have the privilege of competing for a job with 75 other people, with college degrees and even better English;
2. They have the privilege of competing for a job with 750 other people who speak no English at all, but that doesn’t matter because the jobs is low-skill and doesn’t require English.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-11 08:23:05

Ox:

We’ve never tried it…….what we have now is a very expensive ebonics oriented welfare and prison system

Coupled with a Katrina flooding of rap music…I think we need a huge change.

It would also attack the “we cant find qualified Americans” to do the job, or 60% of the applicants at Target who can’t pass the math test.

—–but that doesn’t matter because the jobs is low-skill and doesn’t require English.

Only because you let it not matter

 
Comment by Montana
2011-10-11 09:12:31

Well a lot of the schools have done away with shop and other vocational training. My mother went to a high school in LA called Manual Arts, for crying out loud. Trades used to be taken very seriously, a big deal, now it’s raciss.

I know a local pol here who has knocked himself volunteering to teach auto mechanics to troubled high school boys, trying to help them get their s*** together, because the schools sure weren’t going to do it.

 
Comment by polly
2011-10-11 09:26:54

Everyone in my junior high school was expeced to attend the open house for the county votech high school. Everyone. I went and I’m pretty sure I had the highest grades in the eigth grade that year. You could major in graphic design, med tech and a bunch of other stuff. And even with that resource available, the high school had shop and mechanical drawing. Getting into votech wasn’t easy.

Some of the math/computer geeks were willing to wreck their class standing to take mech drawing since the teacher was so good. It wrecked your class standing because it didn’t get weighted as a college prep class and most of those kids were largely in honors classes, so an A in mech drawing counted as a B of some sort in their class averages. And not many of them got As. The teacher was tough.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 11:02:11

“but that doesn’t matter because the jobs is low-skill and doesn’t require English”.

Only because you let it not matter

So you’re saying that all jobs require fluency in English? There are over 20,000,000 illegals that prove that isn’t true.

And don’t me wrong, I say we deport them. But there are plenty of jobs that are low skilled and don’t require fluency in English.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 11:07:50

“It would also attack the “we cant find qualified Americans” to do the job”

No it wouldn’t. There isn’t a shortage now, just a shortage of people with a 100% profile match for the jobs that have 50+ requirements. There is an veritable ocean of college grads who speak acceptable English who can’t find a non menial, full time job.

Teaching a bunch of homies to speak Amurikan instead of Ebonics won’t change that. All that will change is that they will be able to read the welfare application forms without any assistance.

 
Comment by Jim A
2011-10-11 16:54:13

Gee, Polly, I remember mechanical drawing being reccomended to those who wanted to major in engineering in college.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 07:47:19

Having remedial classes to get into college when you recently finished HS

FWIW admission to a lot of State U’s is becoming very competitive, especially to the good ones. Many have raised their admission requirements lately and the “remedial” crowd simply won’t be admitted with their poor to mediocre SAT and ACT scores.

And yes, there are still some pushover schools who admit anyone with a pulse and a HS diploma, but as students flee pricey private schools the State U’s can now be a lot pickier about who they admit. IIRC only about 1/3 of students who apply at our local top tier State U’s are admitted. The rest end up at JC’s, or at one of the lower tier state college’s (which are also attracting better students with scholarships.) or at a private diploma mill or one of the local established private U’s (just sign on the student loan application).

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 06:22:55

State college funding has become so dire in Colorado that in many cases its cheaper to attend state U in neighboring Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska and New Mexico, even at out of state rates.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-10-11 07:03:23

That was true for me 35 years ago. I ended up going to VA Tech out of state, as it was significantly less than U of Md was in state. And Tech had a better engineering school.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 07:50:35

Not too many years ago in state tuition at CU, CSU, UNC and the School of Mines was around $2K per year. Now it’s as high as 9K. Coloradans with good test scores can attend State U’s at neighboring states for less, because many will waive the out of state fees for “good ” students.

 
 
 
 
Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-10-11 09:59:48

Why do they cut education first? No talk of pension reform??

Comment by GH
2011-10-11 20:12:28

Pensions are obligations given to our heroes (govt union workers)

Pucker up and pay UR tax like a good merikan!

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:02:21

As crisis fades, silence on banking ethics
CHRISTINA REXRODE; McClatchy Newspapers
Published: 12/26/10 12:05 am

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – In a city built on faith and finance, there’s an unaddressed tension between the two.

Charlotte, the country’s second-largest banking center, is also a city where top bank executives teach Sunday school, serve as deacons and mention church at employee rallies. It’s the kind of place where Hugh McColl Jr. says he got inspired to buy BankAmerica, a decision that created Bank of America Corp., while singing a hymn at the early service.

And yet there’s rarely a public conversation about what is ethically right and wrong in the banking industry, and how that contributed to the financial meltdown still roiling national economies. Although bankers acknowledge that “mistakes” were made or there were “cognitive failures,” they are often loath to dwell on their industry’s ethical breaches.

It’s an uncomfortable conversation but a necessary one, many believe. Without it, they say, we will only find ourselves in another financial crisis.

Richard Boyce, the mayor of Belmont, N.C., and a Presbyterian minister who teaches seminary students in Charlotte, said he’s concerned that the city’s bankers haven’t clearly addressed the issues of right and wrong in their industry.

“We’ve all benefited from the success of the banks in Charlotte,” he said. “It’s not like any of our hands are clean. … What frustrates me is here in this banking center, we don’t seem to be talking to one another much about how we decide what is proper and improper in terms of banking practices today.”

Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-10-11 05:40:26

Things I learned while living in NC.
If somebody goes out of their way to point out how good a Christian they are, they do it for one reason only.
To get your trust so that they can better fleece you later. If I am about to hire a contractor, buy a used car, any business decision at all and my counter party starts rambling about the Lord and how much they love Jesus my scam meter is way in the red. It’s time to bail before they get a hold of my cash. Don’t be a sucker!

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 06:04:46

CHAPTER XVIII
Concerning The Way In Which Princes Should Keep Faith

And you have to understand this, that a prince, especially a new one, cannot observe all those things for which men are esteemed, being often forced, in order to maintain the state, to act contrary to faith, friendship, humanity, and religion. Therefore it is necessary for him to have a mind ready to turn itself accordingly as the winds and variations of fortune force it, yet, as I have said above, not to diverge from the good if he can avoid doing so, but, if compelled, then to know how to set about it.

For this reason a prince ought to take care that he never lets anything slip from his lips that is not replete with the above-named five qualities, that he may appear to him who sees and hears him altogether merciful, faithful, humane, upright, and religious. There is nothing more necessary to appear to have than this last quality, inasmuch as men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, because it belongs to everybody to see you, to few to come in touch with you. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are, and those few dare not oppose themselves to the opinion of the many, who have the majesty of the state to defend them; and in the actions of all men, and especially of princes, which it is not prudent to challenge, one judges by the result.

Comment by Neuromance
2011-10-11 08:16:05
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Comment by Awaiting
2011-10-11 07:41:59

Mike
People are mesmerized with the religious umbrella. It’s a very effective marketing theme. I’ve seen what you’ve seen.
You are what you do. Period.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 13:17:26

Religion is the opiate of the masses.

– Karl Marx

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Comment by Patrick
2011-10-11 06:11:46

Eleven things really bother me;

1. That bankers and realtors have not been prosecuted (yet) similar to the S&L crisis. Forget about the financial penalties - their life styles should change.

2. That Chindia can take our IP and play games with their currency without our resistance.

3. That WS can have their computers double sell assuring a profit every time - for them - with HFT - without a peep from the SEC - thus artificially restating volumes and subduing the retail trade. This makes Madoff look like a piker.

4. That corporate can hold almost two trillion dollars outside the USA and refuse to pay taxes on their “world wide incomes” - without rebuke.

5. That banks can play with market values on shadow inventory
by holding them off the market just to artificially state their assets.

6. That everyone tells me a global economy is good for me. It is not. A North American one is. How can inferior products made with foreign labour be good for me? Faster product replacement only increases my costs.

7. Tiny weeney tax rates on the rich - they got to be kidding when they say this is good for the economy ! I’ve never seen any empirical evidence to support this.

8. That no one seems to realize that Small companies in business for more than five years with 50 or more employees are the ONLY engine capable of restarting the jobs economy. Too Small To Help !

9. That they have learned how to reduce the cost of government, ensure survivability of banks, cover garbage loan losses - all by QE. Without regard to the retired person and his savings income on which he was relying for his retirement. It did not make a house more affordable - only correct pricing will do that - lower rates only allow for a higher price !

10. That flight to safety means investing in US dollars - not euros. Go ahead Europe, do a QE. Do you really think you will not have massive inflation as a result? Even more of your currency will be forced to run the US dollars which means the US will also have to print more just to reduce their value - otherwise further slowing down will occur. What a goofy cycle. Just let Greece and the related banks fail. It will hurt - badly - but then the patient can start to heal.

11. Force the banks to disclose the true appraised value of their REO and their bad loans. Lets get the housing hurt over with.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 06:28:42

6. That everyone tells me a global economy is good for me. It is not. A North American one is. How can inferior products made with foreign labour be good for me?

What are you? Some kind of commie protectionist? We all know that only by sending our jobs and IP to the People’s Republic of China will we find true economic salvation! And who needs jobs? We can flip houses to each other!

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-11 08:24:21

Only in Amercia do we send our jobs to a communist country in the name of Capitalism.

Patrick, the answer to all of the above is that world domination by corporatism is the goal.

Welcome back to the 19th century.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 11:10:43

Patrick, the answer to all of the above is that world domination by corporatism is the goal.

And we have another winner.

In the future you’ll either be a member of the managerial class or a member of the Foxconn city class.

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Comment by goon squad
2011-10-11 15:42:42

Doncha love how the 21st century is turning into the 19th century, as if the 20th century never happened?

Manchester UK ‘dark satanic mills’ = Foxconn City
Robber barons = bankster gangsters and globalistas

See also Jack London’s ‘People of the Abyss’, all of Charles Dickens, and Upton Sinclair’s classic ‘The Jungle’. Compare with Barbara Eirenreich’s ‘Nickel and Dimed’ and Tom Wolfe’s astute dissection of the Masters of the Universe ‘Bonfire of the Vanities’.

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Comment by CA renter
2011-10-12 03:22:23

That was a FANTASTIC post, Patrick!

Could not agree more with every one of your grievances.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-10-11 08:14:29

Business is about one thing - maximizing profit. Those most successful in business are those most focused on that goal. It is up to the society through its governance, to put limitations on what is and is not acceptable.

Societal governance failed in the debt bubble inflation. Businesses correctly identified the business model and maximized their profit.

This is the reason why I personally am not so irritated with Wall Street - they did what effective business people do.

And this is the same reason why it is so essential to get rid of the vast majority of incumbents in government and get new, slightly less bought-and-paid-for individuals in.

Politicians are like perishable foods. They go bad very quickly. And thus need to be replaced.

Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 09:14:01

“Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed often, and for the same reason.” — Robin Williams

Wall Street didn’t just respond to an environment favorable to them. They created the environment favorable to them.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 09:31:16

They created the environment$ favorable to them. ;-)

Ralph the dawg: “Aaaaaahhhhh, shaddap!”

Foghorn: “Okay, I’ll shut up. Some fellas have to keep their tongues flappin’ but not me. I was brought up right. My pa used to tell me to shut up and I’d shut up. I wouldn’t say nothin’. One time darn near starved to death. WOULDN’T TELL HIM I WAS HUNGRY!!”

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Comment by Neuromance
2011-10-11 09:45:33

They did - by buying politicians.

It seems to me that the most essential reform necessary to set this country back on a healthy path is political donation reform.

Dick Durbin, in a moment of honesty, said that if you have a hundred voicemails one evening, you respond to the ones which have given you the most money.

And in so many other laws, it seems that the spirit of the law is what matters. When it comes to politicians and bribes *cough* contribution, it is only the narrowest interpretation of the letter of the law which is allowed.

“Oh, I can’t give you more than a thousand dollars? Well, how about you buy these futures at this current price, and some “buyer” out there will buy them at a much higher price, netting you a tidy profit?”

Or, “How about we create this non-profit association that is allowed to contribute unlimited sums? I’ll just give it a hundred thousand dollars that will find its way to you. My brother in law runs the association.”

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Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 13:06:12

Dick Durbin the Senator who wrote that “tax the outsourcer” bill that HBB is fond of referencing. And I suspect that Durbin himself (or a staff member) wrote that bill, at the behest of President Obama. This is back before Obama had to choose between caving and nothing.

 
 
 
Comment by Montana
2011-10-11 09:31:50

I read recently about how somey Italian families hang on to their businesses instead of offshoring them, primarily auto manufacturers. I guess Italy isn’t doing that great either, but it made me think about that. We have large family businesses here too. They seem more loyal to their workers.

But when the family is bought out and it becomes a public corporation, all bets are off.

 
Comment by Elanor
2011-10-11 09:40:14

“Business is about one thing - maximizing profit.”

So, how does rewarding mediocre or even poor performance by top execs with multimillion-dollar bonuses / severance packages add to the company’s profit?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 10:27:47

It is up to the society through its governance, to put limitations on what is and is not acceptable. ;-)

Cheney-$hrub ordering General Powell to the UN: “Make it $ound CONvincing Colin, CONvincing,.. got it?,… good boy. Hey, remember, there’s alotta citizen/taxpayer MilitaryIndu$trialComplexInc. monie$ ridin’ on it, now go!”

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Comment by polly
2011-10-11 11:18:42

Some of the history of the bonus bonanza started as part of poison pill provisions to prevent hostile take overs. Not the main part of them, but as a side thing. Makes a hostile takeover less economically beneficial if you have to buy out the execs. Justified by saying that it is the only way to get execs to come to companies that might be hostile take over targets. Buy outs for execs in non-hostile take overs (companies that are being badly run are great targets for take overs though that isn’t the only reason to do it), are justified because they are essentially voluntarily putting themselves out of a job (or at least out of the top job) by doing what it best for the stockholders.

Some more of the history is that certain public companies are only allowed to deduct $1million of base salary for a certain class of execs (sorry, the details escape me, has something to do with whether they are disclosed on SEC filings I think). The only way to get to deduct anything above that is for it to be “incentive based.” Well, think about what incentive based means? It means that whenever the economy is expanding, their income can just get bigger and bigger and bigger. No one restricts bonuses to only compensate if they beat the average of their industry - they only have to beat last year.

Then the lawyers get involved. The attorney who co-taught my executive compensation class told us it was our job as the representative of the executive to make sure that it was impossible for him not to get his maximum bonus in every year by making it impossible for the requirements not to be met. He was perfectly serious.

And who is negotiating with the exec (and his lawyer) on these trivially easy performance targets? The members of his board. The CEO, if he has been there for any length of time, has managed to populate the board with his closest friends. Why not? That is 10s or even 100s of thousands of dollars a year for attending a few meetings and rubber stamping some decisions. Why not gift it to your friends? Who do you want there? People who don’t like you? And he may sit on some of their boards and approve their compensation packages too.

This isn’t even the 1% we are talking about. This way beyond that. They live in a different universe.

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Comment by Elanor
2011-10-11 12:38:29

Polly, thank you for your perspective on the inner workings of the Old Boys Club. Interesting that a part of the current executive over-compensation trend began during the era of hostile corporate takeovers, which BTW is another thing about the world of big business that I never liked. No question, I wasn’t made for the cutthroat world of business competition.

I also find it fascinating that there are entire classes on executive compensation.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 13:01:15

I also find it fascinating that there are entire classes on executive compensation.

Yes, many tankxs polly.

Also, moreover & in addition: ;-)

I also find it fascinating that there are entire classes on executive compensation. x3 medical billing$

Monk theme song, Randy Newman singin’: “I could be wrong now,……..but I don’t think so. It’s a jungle out there”

 
Comment by polly
2011-10-11 13:31:26

Well, exec comp was only 2 credits. To be very fair, the professor half of the teaching team looked a little embarrassed when the the practitioner half said that. If the prof had wanted to, he could have pointed out that whether it was possible to not meet the max incentive requirements was a decision that could ethically be presented to the client - a client could theoretically decide that he wanted to be compensated more if he really succeeded rather than in all circumstances -, but the prof didn’t.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-10-11 13:21:32

“Business is about one thing - maximizing profit.”

So, how does rewarding mediocre or even poor performance by top execs with multimillion-dollar bonuses / severance packages add to the company’s profit?

It still falls under maximizing profit. In this case, the company’s leadership just takes a larger and larger slice of the profit. Unions and management claw at each other for larger shares of the profit. No union = very little opposition in that competition.

For a business leader, the business is just the vessel to obtain money. If it becomes destroyed or used up in the process, big deal.

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Comment by CA renter
2011-10-12 03:20:46

For a business leader, the business is just the vessel to obtain money. If it becomes destroyed or used up in the process, big deal.
—————–

Yep, just move on to the next one.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:05:47

So long as corporations are people, shouldn’t they be held to the same ethical standards as the rest of us Lilliputians?

Investment banks need ethics as well as a desire to make money
Each major investment bank has a Code of Ethics. These are in practical terms useless.
By John Reynolds
5:55AM BST 10 Oct 2011

Investment banks are required to train bankers in “compliance”, which ensures a literal obedience to laws, but put little or no emphasis on ethics. If investment banks don’t start changing the way they behave, though, regulation will increase and society will continue to suffer the consequence of bankers’ excesses.

Although investment banks have been – often rightly – criticised for their role in the financial crisis, their behaviour reflects ethical standards in business more widely. There is nothing intrinsically ethical or unethical about market capitalism or investment banking.

Investment banks have had major ethical failings, but retain a culture which can be valuable – cultivating qualities such as innovation and intellectual rigour. At the same time, qualities which investment banks list in their advertising – such as client service – often are not the same as qualities that are valued internally, such as a desire to make money.

At the start of the sub-prime crisis, Goldman Sachs developed a sub-prime mortgage product which led to fraud charges by the SEC, a $550m settlement, and a hard-hitting and very public investigation by a US senate committee in which the chairman, Senator Carl Levin, told Goldman boss Lloyd Blankfein: “I would not trust you.”

Comment by combotechie
2011-10-11 05:23:09

“Code of ethics” translates to “Don’t get caught”.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:45:19

Which fails to sustain TRUST in the banking system…

Comment by combotechie
2011-10-11 05:54:39

A “Code of Ethics” is what produces “Rogue Traders”.

A scam of a company will use a widely ignored Code of Ethics to brand whomever it is that gets caught as a Rogue Trader and force this Rogue Trader to fall on his sword in order to protect the company.

The Code of Ethics is but a tool used by the company to disassociate itself from behavior it unofficially condones.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:55:55

Excellent observation! Only fools practice what they preach; for banksters, the Sunday school teaching gig provides good cover.

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 06:30:05

So long as corporations are people, shouldn’t they be held to the same ethical standards as the rest of us Lilliputians?

Remember, those with the gold make the rules (and determine who has to actually abide by them)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 08:46:58

MegaBank$ / MegaCorp’$Inc. / MegaChurche$ = TBTC

(to big to condemn) ;-)

con·demn (kn-dm)
tr.v. con·demned, con·demn·ing, con·demns
1. To express strong disapproval of
2. To pronounce judgment against
3. To judge or declare to be unfit for use or consumption
4. To provide evidence for an adverse judgment against

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:14:23

GOP efforts to field a presidential candidate have become lost in the weeds of evangelical one-upmanship. Good luck to the RNC with pulling this campaign out of the depths of fire and brimstone!

Posted at 10:00 AM ET, 10/09/2011
Religious bigotry on display
By Jennifer Rubin

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex., who has a knack for stacking the crowd and the vote, won the Values Voter Summit this weekend with 37 percent of those casting ballots. Herman Cain (who delivered a stemwinder on Friday night) came in second. And third, with another surprise showing (he came in fourth in the Ames straw poll this summer), was Rick Santorum. Texas Gov. Rick Perry was down in the pack with Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) at 8 percent. Perry, once again, was unsuccessful in garnering support from the segment of the GOP essential to his success in the primary race.

But the big news was not the vote itself. On Friday, the appearance of Pastor Robert Jeffress set off a chain of events that may be remembered long after the vote results are forgotten. Jeffress in his introduction of Perry voiced his previously known anti-Mormon views. Afterward, he doubled down in remarks to reporters.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 05:34:56

It’s a play without a plot. The focus on their personality disorders is a distraction from there being no plan whatsoever.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-10-11 06:50:37

I agree. For these idiots, and the media, politics is a big game of gossip. Survivor DC.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 07:38:53

Perry supporter says Romney’s religion ‘a cult’
MITT ROMNEY
October 08, 2011|By CNN Political Unit

Controversial remarks by the pastor of a Dallas church stole the spotlight from several Republican White House contenders Friday during the first day of the Values Voter Summit, an annual gathering of evangelicals and other social conservatives.

After introducing Texas Gov. Rick Perry, Robert Jeffress, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Dallas, told reporters that Republicans shouldn’t vote for White House hopeful Mitt Romney because he’s a Mormon and described the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a “cult.”

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 08:24:20

Either you are being a sh*t disturbin dink here or you are seriously distracted from what’s important. JMO.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-11 08:38:27

What’s important is that Perry is a very disturbed person and he’s not out of the race yet.

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Comment by scdave
2011-10-11 09:37:20

Perry is a very disturbed person ??

I would not say he’s disturbed…Scary maybe because he is evangelical…Nothing comes before Christ with evangelical’s…..
NOTHING !!!!!!!!!!

Just reflect on some of the decisions Bush made…Do you really think he made those decisions in the best interest of the country ?? His decisions (the decider) came from Jesus..

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-11 10:37:17

Perry makes Bush look smart.

Are you scared yet?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-11 15:00:52

scdave:

Take it from a dj that also applies to a jewish mom and her sons bar mitzvah.

I would not say he’s disturbed…Scary maybe because he is evangelical…Nothing comes before Christ with evangelical’s…..
NOTHING !!!!!!!!

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-10-11 08:39:02

Seems to be an important element of the R primary, the result of which could end up affecting all of us and the housing bubble.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 12:02:39

“…seriously distracted from what’s important…”

What do I think is important?

We are in the worst economic crisis since the 1930s, and the U.S. economy, not to mention the rest of the world economy, faces serious, systemic problems which could greatly benefit from an open political debate to figure out a way forward.

What does the GOP think is important?

Figuring out whose religion is true, and whose is a cult.

Sorry if you think I am out of line for pointing this out.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 12:45:55

I agree with you as you put it. I simply do not have any interest in any of the school yard antics. Show me something serious. We agree about what is serious. Let’s not waste time jumping into the spitting and hair pulling.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 12:54:31

What does the GOP think is important?

“incandescent-gate” is so yesterday.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 12:56:43

“Let’s not waste time jumping into the spitting and hair pulling.”

If a major political party is engaged in spitting and hair pulling, and that is all they can muster in their effort to field a candidate, then I won’t refrain from pointing it out unless Ben Jones specifically requests it. If you don’t want to know about this business, then please refrain from reading my posts.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 12:59:56

Fine. If you label which ones I won’t like, in advance. lol.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 13:13:01

Skye, I thought you addressing the media/pubic/candidates in a general sense, not the Prof.

I still amazed at the people out there who say “Praise the Lord and pass the government cheese.” And decide their candidates the same way.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 14:02:54

Not that I dislike GS/PB/CIB in the least, but he carries too many buckets of slime for our consumption, to suit me. Let us say hopefully that it is beneath him? Maybe he is just trying to attract flies?

 
Comment by scdave
2011-10-12 07:34:10

We are lucky to have Pbear on this blog…If you get information overload from his posts just scroll on by….No need to go negative…

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 09:16:53

stole the spotlight from several Repubican White House “I’m-gonna-be-The-Decider!” contenders Friday during the first day of the Value$ Voter$ $ummit

(track announcer): “OK Ladies & Gentleman, coming around the first 1/3 furloughs, It’s: “TruePurity!™” by a head,…“TrueEvangelistia™” coming up the rear, then it’s,… “TrueReduceTheDeficitNow!! Today!™” kick’in up her heels,… whinein’ loudly is “TrueAnger!™”, plugging up the middleclass is “TrueGridLockers!™”…running along the far outside in the mud is “TruePathtoPro$perity!™”,…and in last place by quite some distance is the peon people’s favorite: “True$olution’s!™”” :-)

“…reminding everyone here today @ BringOurTax$ Down$ this mule race is being $ponsored by:
Goldenman$ucks Inc. & their $pecial guests: The 1% $ufferin’ $o’s

 
 
 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-11 05:16:05

German push for Greek default risks EMU-wide ’snowball’
UK Telegraph

Germany is pushing behind the scenes for a “hard” default in Greece with losses of up to 60pc for banks and pension funds, risking a chain-reaction across southern Europe unless credible defences are established first.

“This could set off a snowball effect,” said Andrew Roberts, credit chief at RBS. “The markets will instantly switch attention to Portugal, where two-year yields are already 17pc”.

Although Greece’s 10-year bonds are trading at a 60pc discount on the open market, European banks do not have to write down losses so long as there is no formal default and the debt is held in their long-term loan book. The danger arises if banks are forced to “crystallize” the damage before raising their capital buffers.

Marchel Alexandrovich from Jefferies Fixed Income said Germany risks opening a “Pandora’s Box” by unpicking the Greek deal.

“It would be a complete disaster, a signal that sovereign debt is not safe. Investors would pull their deposits out of Portugal, Ireland, Spain and Italy and set off bank runs across Europe,” he said. “The French are against doing this and so is the European Central Bank. They know banks need more time to adjust. We don’t think Europe will pull the trigger.”

Mrs Merkel and French president Nicolas Sarkozy vowed over the weekend to do “all that is necessary to guarantee bank recapitalisation”, promising a package for Greece and the eurozone by the end of the month. The pledge was vague.

Comment by 2banana
2011-10-11 05:29:38

And the Slovaks said NO!

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 05:44:14

Are you sure? I didn’t see any headlines to that effect.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:51:37

The vote is supposed to take place between 10am and 11am EDT.

European stocks, euro dip ahead of Slovak vote
By Anirban Nag
LONDON | Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:30am EDT

(Reuters) - European shares and the euro fell on Tuesday, with investors increasingly edgy ahead of a finely balanced vote by Slovakia’s parliament to ratify an expansion of the euro zone’s rescue fund.

Slovakia is the last of the 17-member bloc yet to vote on a deal agreed by the region’s leaders in July to boost the size and powers of the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF).

All 17 euro zone states must ratify the EFSF expansion for it to come into effect. Three of the four parties in the center-right government in Slovakia want to ratify it but a fourth has threatened to vote against it.

Opposition parties could move to back the fund in a follow-up vote to any rejection, but even an initial failure by parliament to pass it would rattle markets and could bring an end to a rally in riskier assets like stocks, commodities and higher-yielding currencies.

The vote was expected to take place between 10 a.m. EDT and 11 a.m. EDT.

“The Slovakian vote is on a knife-edge. It could go either way. But (if they vote against) they can vote again, to get — from the European perspective — the right result. The market is thinking that they are holding out, and playing hardball,” said Jeremy Batstone-Carr, strategist at Charles Stanley.

Wall Street extends rally on euro-zone hopes
Mon, Oct 10 2011
Stocks, oil, euro surge on German-Franco pledge
Mon, Oct 10 2011
Euro holds huge gains on EU optimism
Mon, Oct 10 2011
Banks brace for capital calls as Dexia rescued
Mon, Oct 10 2011
GLOBAL MARKETS-Stocks, euro gain on debt deal hopes
Mon, Oct 10 2011

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 07:51:03

Slovakia decides to postpone EFSF vote
Tue, Oct 11 2011, 13:51 GMT | FXstreet.com

FXstreet.com (Barcelona) - Slovak Prime Minister Iveta Radicova announced today that the highly expected vote of the Slovakian parliament on the extension of the Eurozone rescue fund will take place later this week. This will give the government time to seek support of the opposition parties in order to gain enough votes to approve the EFSF.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 09:41:19

Sounds like the minority party is going to get the keys to the city.

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Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 13:14:18

“This will give the government time to seek support of the opposition parties in order to gain enough votes ”

They should hire on Tom Delay as a consultant. Isn’t this how he passed all those votes in the House of Representitives?

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Comment by Patrick
2011-10-11 06:23:30

Nonsense.

Greece fails and there will not be a run on the other banks.

Because governments only have to restrict the amount of withdrawals - by law. Like they did for years after the second world war.

Issue a QE and there will be a run to US dollars.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:22:21

It appears the European analogue to the U.S. debt ceiling increase, the creation of a euro zone version of the Fed, and the future of the Slovakian government all hinge on a single vote.

MARKETS
OCTOBER 11, 2011, 8:01 A.M. ET

Slovakia Poised to Block Bailout’s Expansion
By LEOS ROUSEK

BRATISLAVA—Slovakia’s parliament opened its session for a crucial vote on amendments to the euro zone’s rescue fund linked with a confidence vote in the right-of-center coalition cabinet, but lawmakers immediately agreed to take a short recess before the actual vote, the parliament speaker said.

The session is scheduled to re-start at 8:00 a.m. ET, Richard Sulik, the chairman of the Freedom and Solidarity party, told the parliament. Some 136 lawmakers out of a total of 150 registered for the meeting, enough to allow the parliament to vote on the approved program, Mr. Sulik said.

The government of Prime Minister Iveta Radicova is expected to lose the confidence vote and support for increasing the firepower of the European Financial Stability Facility.

Such an outcome, however, should allow room for talks to reshuffle the cabinet and hold a repeat vote on the EFSF at which the €440 billion ($600.34 billion) bailout fund is likely to be approved with the help of opposition lawmakers from the left-of-center Smer-Social Democracy, or Smer, party. The repeat vote on the EFSF is unlikely to take place Wednesday as more time for political talks will be needed.

Ms. Radicova linked the approval of the plan to a vote of confidence, putting her political life on the line to sway rebels in her four-party coalition to back the bailout fund.

But Mr. Sulik’s SaS party has insisted that it would reject the plan.

Slovakia is the last of 17 national parliamentary votes needed to ratify the beefed-up EFSF that was created to address the euro zone’s debt crisis.

“We are against the EFSF,” Mr. Sulik said in a statement on the party’s website ahead of the vote.

Mr. Sulik said 22 SaS lawmakers will abstain from the vote on the EFSF. Without SaS’s support, the government won’t have enough votes to secure approval of the legislation, while Ms. Radicova’s reform-minded right-of-center cabinet will collapse.

The euro-zone agreement struck in July expands the lending capacity of the €440 billion ($600.34 billion) EFSF and gives it new powers, including the right to buy sovereign debt on secondary markets and function as the lender of last resort for euro-zone banks.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:24:16

Arends: Wall Street is Scamming Mom and Pop–Again
10/10/2011 3:37:45 PM

MarketWatch columnist Brett Arends makes the claim that there aren’t enough people protesting Wall Street and that once again Mom and Pop-type small investors are being scammed.

Comment by combotechie
2011-10-11 05:41:22

Suck ‘em in, shake ‘em out.

 
Comment by rms
2011-10-11 07:03:07

Commissions are tough luck these days, so I’d expect that the predators are out in force beating the brush, flushing out every last victim. I get so much investment literature these days that it literally fills my post office box, and I have to visit the front counter for mail that wouldn’t fit. I’m sure the financial institutions all sell mailing lists especially a suckers list of those who took the bait.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:27:01

Stock markets on knife-edge ahead of Slovakia vote: live

After Malta’s vote in favour of the enhanced European financial stability facility (EFSF), today our attention switches to Slovakia, the final piece in the jigsaw

• Roubini: We need a bazooka
• Today’s agenda
• Trichet: crisis has reached systemic dimension
• UK industrial and manufacturing production

Simon Goodley
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 11 October 2011 08.15 EDT

Comment by liz pendens
2011-10-11 06:51:43

What has Slovakia got to lose by voting NO?

They could be heros in the scheme of all that is just.

Comment by measton
2011-10-11 07:51:40

my guess is GS MS and the European banks have made it crystal clear what Slovakia has to loose. My guess is that htey have also made it clear how much each government official will gain by voting in favor.

Comment by liz pendens
2011-10-11 08:19:53

So, to re-cap:

Goldman is the Devil.

Geithner is the Billy Mays of the Devil’s marketing dept.

Bernanke is the Devil’s accountant.

Congress is the Devil’s bitch.

Banks have already signed up for multiple deals with the Devil.

Governments have mostly been recruited already.

Who’s left?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-11 08:46:26

Satan’s PR firm and militia organizer: The Kochtopus.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 09:16:55

Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders — strange bedfellows.

 
Comment by unc
2011-10-11 09:35:56

You forgot the key player, Obammy, who’s he? Why of course
he’s “The One”, “The Messiah”. Too bad he won’t get his “just pass this jobs” bill through because of his own party in the
Senate who isn’t supporting it either. Just blame it on Republicans, the old standby line, from the same Democrat
playbook.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 13:18:16

And I’m glad to see that bill not pass. It was all about tax breaks. That bill wasn’t going to work any better than any other tax break bill has.

 
Comment by unc
2011-10-11 13:35:00

The bill is all about more “stimulus”; 1/2 trillion more.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 11:14:53

have made it crystal clear what Slovakia has to loose

Vote no and we guaurantee that no one will ever buy your bonds. capische?

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Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-11 05:27:48

Senate considers sanctioning China over currency
By JIM ABRAMS - Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate legislation penalizing China for promoting exports by keeping its currency undervalued is headed for a final vote in the Senate, putting the Beijing government on notice that U.S. lawmakers are fed up with Chinese trade policies that undercut American manufacturers and take away jobs.

A bipartisan majority that supports the legislation coming to a vote Tuesday evening says forcing China to appreciate its currency could put large numbers of Americans back to work.

The theme of crafting trade policy to create jobs will also be played out Tuesday and Wednesday as the House and Senate vote to approve free trade agreements with South Korea, Colombia and Panama. The trade deals have been pending since the last Bush presidency, but the Obama administration and a majority of Congress are now in accord that the deals, particularly with Korea, will be a boon both to American exports and job growth.

The currency bill “has the potential to create or save around 2 million jobs, without cost to taxpayers, because it is simply standing up for American companies and American workers,” said Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, a chief sponsor of the currency measure.

Despite its popularity in the Senate, the bill faces an uncertain future: House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, opposes it and may never bring it to the House floor. President Barack Obama and the White House, while avoiding a position on the bill, have warned against unilateral action that might violate international trading rules. American companies doing business in China say it could spark a trade war.

But with the trade deficit with China hitting $273 billion last year and heading toward $300 billion this year, senators said it was time to get tough.

“If China continues its predatory practices, the future for our children and grandchildren in this country will not be bright,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., who has tried numerous times in past years to slap sanctions on the Chinese.

Comment by NJRenter
2011-10-11 06:10:41

I always love the logic on the accusation of Chinese currency manipulation–we’ve already flooded the market with dollars so why isn’t our currency depreciating against the Yuna? I.e., they are manipulating their currency because they won’t let our currency manipulation take effect!!

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-11 08:49:20

“they are manipulating their currency because they won’t let our currency manipulation take effect!!”

Exactly. And where’s the WTO in all this?

Comment by NJ Renter
2011-10-11 10:24:55

To be fair, the WTO adjudicates over trade disputes and illegal domestic subsidy of an industry or a set of industries. Currency manipulation, such as done by issuing a country’s own currency with the intend to depreciate the currency vis-a-vis other currencies, doesn’t really fall under WTO’s purview of trade issues.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-11 11:00:55

Yeah, I guess it would be an IMF thing, but it seems like if it’s done to gain an unfair trade advantage, the WTO could also be involved. Either way, where are they? Why aren’t we appealing to them? Or do we really have no legitimate case– as we are effectively doing the same thing. But then why aren’t other nations appealing to these organizations?

 
 
 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-11 08:53:13

What a load!

They take our jobs because corporations are given tax breaks to send jobs offshore.

They take our jobs because corporations send them their operations.

They take our jobs because corporations send our jobs to them.

Period.

Comment by CrackerJim
2011-10-11 11:39:02

They also take our jobs because the American consumer has an insatiable appetite for imported goods.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-11 13:16:02

Because that’s all they can afford.

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Comment by CrackerJim
2011-10-11 20:06:43

You mean like all the hordes of MBs, BMWs, Lexus’, Audis, Infinitis, etc which are the car of choice for anyone who can borrow enough money to buy or lease so they can be part of the “with it” class? Those people?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-10-12 08:12:41

Those are the only used cars that are a decent deal right now, IMO.

 
 
 
 
Comment by polly
2011-10-11 09:37:04

This article is fascinating about Chinese consumers and why they tend to spend so little:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/business/global/households-pay-a-price-for-chinas-growth.html?hpw=&pagewanted=all

Interesting snippet (but I recommend the whole thing):

Here in Jilin City, where chemical manufacturing is the dominant industry, the state banks are flush with money from savings accounts. The banks use that money to make low-interest loans to corporate beneficiaries — including real estate developers, helping fuel a speculative property bubble that has raised housing prices beyond the reach of many consumers. It is a dynamic that has played out in dozens of cities throughout China.

Meanwhile, China’s central bank in Beijing also depends on the nation’s vast pool of consumer savings to help finance its big investments in the foreign exchange markets, as a way to keep the currency artificially weak. The weak currency helps sustain China’s mighty export economy by lowering the global price of Chinese goods. But it also makes imports unaffordable for many Chinese people….

And there is more futher down about property bubble implications. Please read.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 11:17:51

But it also makes imports unaffordable for many Chinese people

The Chinese managerial class seems to have no problem affording Italian suits and shoes, BMWs and Jags and other blingy imports.

As for the people who work at Foxconn City …

Comment by polly
2011-10-11 11:27:00

But, just like us, they can’t build an entire economy on the desires of the ultra wealthy. We can’t all be yacht builders.

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Comment by Jim A
2011-10-11 17:36:55

Heck the yachts AREN’T the problem IMHO. The problem is that for the rich much of the money is “invested.” Of course as the article points out, much of that is “invested” in artificially monkeying with the exchange rate rather than the purchase of plant and equipment. And a fair ammount of that money from exchange rate manipulation ends up on Wall Street, inflating the latest bubble, be it MBSs Oil futures or what have you. Or keeping the interest rates on US debt artificially low.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 16:44:04

That one couple puts 2/3 of their income in the bank. I’d like to know how. They must either own their home outright, or not pay taxes, or not have health insurance.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:28:52

Dexia agrees to Belgium bailout
Stanley Pignal
Brussels— Financial Times
Published Monday, Oct. 10, 2011 10:41AM EDT
Last updated Tuesday, Oct. 11, 2011 7:08AM EDT

Belgium’s nationalization of the domestic operations of Dexia was formally agreed in the early hours of Monday by the bank’s board of directors and the Belgian government, along with state guarantees worth €90-billion ($120-billion U.S.) to finance the rest of the group.

Brussels will pay €4-billion to take over Dexia Bank Belgium, which includes a large retail bank in a group which is otherwise focused on lending to local governments. The forced divestment is the first step in the dismembering of the Franco-Belgian bank after it fell victim to a liquidity squeeze prompted by the euro zone debt crisis.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-10-11 07:09:22

I love the wording of that headline “Dexia agrees”. I’ve been getting the distinct impression that there’s not much of a choice in the matter. For Dexia, at least.

 
Comment by pdmseatac
2011-10-11 17:06:54

As someone pointed out yesterday, Dexia passed the EU bank “stress tests” with flying colors just a few months back. As a matter of fact it was one of the most highly rated.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:31:07

In the “D’oh” column:

Is the global economy facing a global banking crisis?
Posted by Michael Schuman Tuesday, October 11, 2011 at 6:31 am

So it’s official. The French-Belgian specialty bank Dexia is the first financial institution to fall victim to Europe’s debt crisis. In a deal hammered out by the governments of France, Belgium and Luxembourg, Dexia will be dismantled, with the Belgian government nationalizing the local operations of the bank. Taxpayers are also on the hook for $120 billion in credit guarantees. I can’t imagine that Dexia will be the only bank in Europe to meet this fate as the euro crisis continues to boil. Banks across the region hold festering compost heaps of rotting sovereign debt, spoiling the strength of their balance sheets. Some have holdings bigger than their capital. Greek banks are so exposed to their faltering government that I can’t see how they dodge a bailout. French banks have been under pressure as financing has dried up. And with talk of a do-over for the proposed second bailout of Greece, as that nation’s financial position continues to deteriorate, banks across Europe could be facing larger losses on their holdings of Greece’s sovereign bonds.

And why stop there? Banks all over the world seem to be stumbling. Not only is the global economic recovery faltering under the weight of persistent unemployment, high commodity prices and debt crisis-induced austerity measures, but the global financial system, on which the global economy is built, is also too sick to help us out. And, even worse, the world’s banks could need a whole new round of repair.

Comment by combotechie
2011-10-11 05:45:55

“And, even worse, the world’s banks could need a whole new round of repair.”

This “whole new round of repair” means injecting into these banks trillions of dollars.

It all comes down to money, doesn’t it? Money that is just not there.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:54:38

“Money that is just not there.”

Money that will be printed out of thin air, diluting the value of existing money…

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-11 08:54:24

Buy some gold with King Cash?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 07:07:09

Money can be had, at interest. There must be another problem, such as lack of revenue.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-11 08:59:37

“There must be another problem, such as lack of revenue.”

Yup, you nailed it. And guess whose tax rates are near their lowest in modern history? Hint: It ain’t the lower or middle classes.

And guess who gets to have their ‘income’ taxed at especially low rates? Same hint applies.

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Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 09:30:01

There’s a huge problem somewhere. Even if somebody created 5 million jobs tomorrow at $50K each, that would still bring in only 37 billion in tax money (I’ll assume that a round 15% goes to fed tax). Yet the budget deficit is near a trillion. What up?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 09:40:07

I knew a guy a couple of years ago that was $175K underwater on his fancy yacht. A little bump in the road and he couldn’t juggle his payments. He took a part time job at Wallyworld pushing shopping carts around the parking lot, had a most miserable summer and then lost his boat.

So, eat, drink and be merry!

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 11:19:17

So, eat, drink and be merry!

For tomorrow you might be in Utah!

(Seen on a T-Shirt in a gift shop in Salt Lake City)

 
Comment by roger
2011-10-11 11:25:42

I know a guy that has dyslexia and drives a Lexus

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-10-11 11:34:00

“Yet the budget deficit is near a trillion. What up?”

We’re fighting two wars and running the national health insurance company of last resort. And the rich won’t pay their fair share of taxes.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 12:44:13

So, eat, drink and be merry!

For tomorrow you might be in Utah Utarrrr!

(Seen on a T-Shirt in a gift shop in Salt Lake City)

Tankxs for the memories CO. ;-)

x3 cheers to/for:
Losty / Olygal

 
 
 
 
 
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Comment by Awaiting
2011-10-11 09:15:13

Neil Strawbridge is a 72 year old Parkinson’s patient. Why does he even have a mortgage?

My father died of a statin related Parkinson’s. I have a heart on that issue, but not on a mortgage issue. He’s on Medicare, so it wasn’t medical bills.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 11:20:49

I wonder just how many oldsters have not only a mortgage, but a mortgage that isn’t remotely close to being paid off?

Comment by stewie
2011-10-11 13:44:15

My mom. Bought a Centex home in ‘08 against my better judgement on a 30 yr. She turned 67 this year. She will be near destitute in retirement trying to make a mortgage on a meager pension and SS.

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-10-11 20:19:53

stewie
Sorry to hear that. The Centex pos that took advantage of her should pay the mortgage. Emotional and anchoring sales techniques work great on older folks.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:32:53

Editorial
The Trouble With Greece
Published: October 6, 2011

Europe has been right to demand that, in exchange for bailout financing, Greece carry out painful structural reforms to make its economy more competitive and able to generate more revenue to pay down the country’s huge debts. Without that pressure, Athens would likely never be able to overcome fierce resistance from public-sector unions, professionals, the wealthy and all of the special interests determined to keep doing business as usual.

But Europe has been dead wrong to simultaneously demand that Greece impose steep new taxes and deep social spending cuts guaranteed to prolong and worsen an already severe recession. That will make it impossible for the country to earn its way out of debt.

Comment by Kirisdad
2011-10-11 06:43:54

I agree with this editorial. Greece has a revenue/spending problem. Fix the tax problems with less austerity, then make the larger spending cuts. The moralists/conservatives are cutting their own throats.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:34:48

Emerging Stocks Rise 5th Day on Europe Pledge
By Ian C. Sayson and Jason Webb - Oct 11, 2011 3:35 AM PT

Emerging-market stocks advanced, driving the benchmark index to its steepest five-day gain since 2009, on speculation Europe will stem its debt crisis and as a Chinese state investment fund bought shares in four banks.

The MSCI Emerging Markets Index climbed 0.8 percent to 905.72 as of 11:04 a.m. in London, bringing the five-day jump to 9 percent. A rally in lenders helped the Hang Seng China Enterprise Index of Chinese companies traded in Hong Kong to a 4.4 percent gain. The Taiex Index surged 2.6 percent after a holiday in Taiwan yesterday, while The Micex Index slid 1.5 percent in Moscow after jumping 9.1 percent in the preceding three sessions.

MSCI’s developing-nation gauge is bound for the sharpest five-day gain since July 2009 after German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy pledged over the weekend to deliver a plan to recapitalize Europe’s banks and address Greece’s debt crisis by Nov. 3. Agricultural Bank of China Ltd. (601288) led gains among the nation’s biggest lenders after Central Huijin Investment Ltd. started buying their shares.

“What we’re starting to see is a more coordinated response to this global problem,” Philip Poole, head of macro and investments strategy at HSBC Global Asset Management, said in an interview in Hong Kong. “Europeans finally have started to get their act together, the Fed and central banks provided dollar swap facilities, and the Chinese are helping with sentiment by addressing this issue in the banks.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:36:59

Bail Out Bonanza
PFGBEST Tue, Oct 11 2011, 04:54 GMT
by Phil Flynn - PFGBEST

Another day, another bailout and yes, bailouts are bullish! Another plan to save Europe and rising expectations of the US economy has oil back on an upward track. Oil got an initial bounce off of a jobs report that seemed to suggest that we are not in a recession. Yet after a surprise downgrade of Italy and Spain, oil took a late drop. Holy Fitch! Yet over the weekend German Chancellor Angel Merkel said that Germany and Spain have a plan to bail out European banks. Well at the very least they have a plan to make a plan and the details will be forthcoming. Huh? Well no matter, enjoy the ride!

Plus there are reports that the French-Belgian bank Dexia agreed to the nationalization of its Belgian banking division and secured 90 billion euros or $121 billion dollars in state guarantees. Now it appears that other banks in Europe will be backed by the governments in an effort to forestall an economic collapse.

Bloomberg News reported that Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy turned their crisis-fighting focus to banks, promising a recapitalization blueprint this month that will overtake a 12-week-old rescue plan that has yet to be put into place. “We will recapitalize the banks,” the French president said in Berlin yesterday at a joint briefing with the German chancellor without providing details. “We’ll do it in complete agreement with our German friends because the economy needs it, to assure growth and financing.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:39:40

UBS Says Worst of China Loans ‘Panic’ May Be Over as Wenzhou Takes Action
By Bloomberg News - Oct 10, 2011 10:00 PM PT

Oct. 11 (Bloomberg) — Jim Antos, an analyst at Mizuho Securities Co. in Hong Kong, talks about China’s banking industry and investment strategy. Antos speaks with Rishaad Salamat on Bloomberg Television’s “On the Move Asia.” (Source: Bloomberg)

The worst of the “panic and hysteria” over informal lending in China may be over as the city of Wenzhou works with businesses and the central government to stabilize credit, UBS AG said.

“The size of informal lending is relatively small and the concerns about the direct impact on the formal banking sector and the economy are exaggerated,” Hong Kong-based economist Wang Tao said in a note today. The “bigger risks are credit withdrawal in both the formal and informal lending market and contagion,” she said.

Media “hype” surrounding reports of Wenzhou factory owners fleeing after failing to pay their debts have unnerved investors concerned about Chinese banks’ asset quality and a slowdown in the property market, according to Wang. Lenders rallied today after state-run Central Huijin Investment Ltd. began buying shares of the biggest four banks to boost valuations that have fallen below levels reached during the global financial crisis.

Agricultural Bank of China Ltd. (601288) climbed 15 percent as of the noon break in trading in Hong Kong.

“Restructuring of businesses and debts will likely occur in the next few months in Wenzhou, with the help of bank liquidity and government involvement,” Wang said.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 05:58:11

Comment:

It seems the global financial playing field is suddenly once again awash in a tsunami tide of liquidity. Enjoy swimming or sinking!

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 06:00:35

HSBC restarts foreclosure activity
By Jonathan D. Epstein
NEWS BUSINESS REPORTER
Published:October 11, 2011, 8:11 AM
Updated: October 11, 2011, 8:11 AM

HSBC Bank USA and HSBC Finance Corp. have restarted some of their mortgage foreclosures in New York State and certain other markets, about 11 months after the bank suspended home seizures in the wake of national controversy industrywide over improper foreclosure paperwork.

Spokesman Neil Brazil said foreclosures have “resumed on a limited basis in certain geographies where we are satisfied that enhanced procedures are correctly in place.” He said those geographies included New York State but didn’t specify other areas of the country.

“HSBC has a strong commitment to home preservation and regards foreclosure as a last resort,” Brazil said.

HSBC last December had joined other major banks in the industry in halting foreclosures until it could correct problems in the foreclosure process.

Those problems stemmed largely from improper documents that were filed with courts in states like New York, which require judicial foreclosures through the court system.

The documents dealt largely with the issue of whether the bank or mortgage servicing company that was seeking to foreclose actually had possession of the loan, and therefore the right to foreclose. Also, major lenders had admitted a year ago that their staff had been signing thousands of documents at a time attesting to knowledge of a property they didn’t actually have, in what has been termed “robo-signing” for the robotic nature of the process.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 06:07:18

Banks May Still Face Fraud, Municipal Lawsuits After Foreclosure Agreement
By David McLaughlin and Margaret Cronin Fisk -
Oct 10, 2011 9:01 PM PT

U.S. banks may still face state securities-fraud claims and municipal lawsuits over unpaid mortgage fees under a settlement that is “getting closer,” the official leading talks for state attorneys general said.

Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller said in an interview yesterday that any settlement wouldn’t prevent a growing number of municipalities from suing banks for allegedly cheating them out of millions of dollars in filing fees, or individual states from pursuing securities claims against banks.

“They won’t be released. They will go forward,” Miller said about securities claims brought by states. “There will be ongoing litigation” against the banks, he said.

State attorneys general and federal officials have been negotiating a settlement with the largest mortgage servicers, including Bank of America Corp. (BAC), based in Charlotte, North Carolina, and New York-based JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM) Officials are seeking an agreement that would fund loan modifications for homeowners and set requirements for how the banks conduct foreclosures.

“We’re getting closer to resolving it,” Miller said. “We still have issues that could frustrate the agreement, but we’re getting closer.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 06:22:56

The Wall Street Journal
BUSINESS
OCTOBER 11, 2011

China Props Up Bank Shares
Move Comes as Investors Fret Over Accounting of Chinese Companies, Bad Debts
BY DINNY MCMAHON AND JAMES T. AREDDY

BEIJING—China’s sovereign-wealth fund stepped in Monday to buy shares of the country’s battered banks, which have been caught in a selloff that analysts say reflects a broader loss of trust in the integrity of corporate earnings and government statistics.

The skepticism of investors comes as China has become increasingly exposed to global markets, largely through stock listings of its state-owned enterprises and other companies, but more recently through its currency and bonds, which are now traded in Hong Kong.

The market rout began among a group of small U.S.-listed companies accused by investors of misrepresentation and has quickly spread…

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-11 06:42:57

Isn’t Chinese misrepresentation redundant?

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-11 09:18:46

Like mortgage fraud? Or bank malfeasance? :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 06:26:24

China’s Move to Prop Up Bank Shares Will Not Change Sentiment: Analysts
Published: Tuesday, 11 Oct 2011 | 1:16 AM ET
By: Rajeshni Naidu-Ghelani
Assistant Producer, CNBC Asia-Pacific

Shares of China’s “big four” banks rose sharply on Tuesday after a unit of the country’s $400 billion sovereign wealth fund — Central Huijin Investment — increased its stake in the lenders. However, analysts tell CNBC that while the intervention to boost investor confidence in China’s financial system is encouraging, the move will not change market sentiment.

Joseph Lau, Senior Asia Economist at Societe Generale, says Huijin’s buying of bank shares needs to be part of a bigger stimulus package for it to work and Chinese bank shares will continue to see further downside.

“It’s probably not going to be sufficient,” says Lau, adding that the scale and severity of the problem facing China’s financial system plus the belief that the banks’ share prices have not yet hit bottom, will reduce the impact of Huijin’s move.

 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-11 06:36:42

“A slow economy spurs the Federal Reserve to flood the world with more U.S. currency.” ~Bloomberg

~ The flood gates will be opening much wider soon, I suspect. What route will BB and his boyz take this time?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 06:42:52

Oct. 11, 2011, 9:03 a.m. EDT
N.Y. faces 10,000 more Wall St. cuts through 2012
By Greg Morcroft

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — The securities industry in New York City faces a likely 10,000 more job cuts through 2012, according to a new report. State Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli also said in the report that the industry’s bonuses are likely to shrink this year. “Since April 2011, the securities industry in New York City has lost 4,100 jobs. The Office of the State Comptroller forecasts that the City could lose nearly 10,000 additional jobs by the end of 2012, which would bring total job losses in the securities industry to 32,000 since January 2008.

 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-11 07:05:29

So Roubini thinks the best way to “fix” the system world wide is to flood the banks with more money.

ITEM: Double-Dip Recession a Foregone Conclusion: Roubini
Tuesday, 11 Oct 2011 |Deepanshu Bagchee - CNBC Asia

The world’s advanced economies are headed for a second recession, regardless of whether there is further chaos in Europe, Nouriel Roubini told CNBC on Tuesday. The economist who correctly predicted the 2008 financial crisis, but has got some other bearish calls wrong, said his reading of recent data suggested the U.S., euro zone and the UK are already on the verge of falling into a recession in the next quarter or two.

“The question is not whether or if there is going to be a double dip, but whether it’s going to be mild or severe with another financial crisis,” Roubini told CNBC on the sidelines of the World Knowledge Forum in Seoul. “The answer on that depends on the euro zone.”

According to Roubini, a disorderly situation in Europe caused by a sovereign debt default, a banking crisis or an exit of one of the members from the euro zone, would be a shock more severe than the collapse of Lehman Brothers. He added that Europe had to get its act together and “do the right thing” by the G20 meeting in Cannes in the first week of November.

Roubini believes that “the right thing” involves expanding the European Financial Stability Fund known as EFSF to around 2 trillion euros and creating a Europe-wide TARP program, which would help recapitalize the banks.

“You need an EFSF that is 4 times as large as the 440 (billion euros) to make sure that a bad equilibrium and a self fulfilling run on Italy and Spain doesn’t occur,” he said. “There’s no plan for that, because politically even the first EFSF has not yet been approved, let alone to triple it or quadruple it.”

In addition, Roubini said the European Central Bank needed to ease monetary policy to boost growth. The ECB last week kept interest rates unchanged at 1.5 percent even as it announced a program to buy 40 billion euros in covered bonds.

“The ECB made a mistake, they’ve not reversed it, they need a much weaker euro, that’s unlikely to occur,” Roubini said. “They need fiscal stimulus…If you have fiscal austerity in their periphery, all these things are necessary to restore economic growth.”

Comment by WT Economist
2011-10-11 07:19:46

Inflate the debt away, default it away in a deflationary spiral, or re-legalize slavery and force debtors to sell their children into it individually (as well as collectively via the government).

Those are the options.

Bernanke believes monetary policy mistakes lead to the mass defaults and deflationary spiral. But perhaps with that much debt, only the other two options were available.

Comment by Neuromance
2011-10-11 08:27:33

1) Inflate the debt - preserves the status quo, rewards the bankers and politicians. Boil the frog (the public) slowly.

2) Deflation - would probably destroy the status quo and punish the bankers and politicians. Would initially shock the frog but it would survive.

In the long run, we need new executive teams, new companies, new politicians for sustainable growth. With all of our technology, communications, productivity and innovation, there’s no reason the future should not be bright.

But the people who led us into this mess are going to do everything they can to stop that from happening. And the result will be increasing wealth stratification and an increasing burden put on the back of the public. To maintain the status quo. To keep the politicians and their big donors in power.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-10-11 10:33:56

The “it can’t be saved, let it burn” option.

That might be the best. As long as we don’t end up with another Hitler or Stalin during the transition period in which some people with the capacity for large scale organized violence might actually starve.

They had two chances to let it burn — in 2008, and in the default showdown a couple of months ago. Another may be coming.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2011-10-11 10:15:18

I believe Rogoff also just said to do the same thing (one of the authors of “It’s Different This Time”).

Bernanke apparently also advised Japan to do the same thing in 2003, which they did not…

All signs point to firing up the printing press.

 
 
 
Comment by MadBoy
2011-10-11 07:17:52

Madison area’s largest home builder, cut more than 40 percent of its staff

http://www.channel3000.com/houseandhome/29444566/detail.html

About 5-7 years ago this company also got rid of most of its sales staff and and exclusive agreements with a local real estate agency.

I guess the Madison area is not “bullet-proof” to pull a quote from a local agent. This builder also had lots of $1,000 down and you can move in specials for $250K+ townhomes and had the special equity calculator on their website so show how much your investment was increasing.

I also remember questioning the number of subdivisions in an area and stating this company was manipulating the market, but local agents said I was nuts.

Comment by Kim
2011-10-11 08:14:08

I’m kind of surprised it took them this long to downsize to that extent. Many of those production-type builders around my area clued in back around 2010.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 07:43:05

Op-Ed Columnist
This Time, It Really Is Different
By JOE NOCERA
Published: October 10, 2011

The title of the white paper is, admittedly, a mouthful: “The Way Forward: Moving From the Post-Bubble, Post-Bust Economy to Renewed Growth and Competitiveness.” It was commissioned by the New America Foundation, which hoped that it might “re-center the political debate to better reflect the country’s deep economic problems,” according to Sherle Schwenninger, the director of the foundation’s Economic Growth Program. Its authors are Daniel Alpert, a managing partner of Westwood Capital; Robert Hockett, a professor of financial law at Cornell and a consultant to the New York Federal Reserve; and Nouriel Roubini, who is, well, Nouriel Roubini, whose consistently bearish views have been consistently right. It is scheduled to be released on Wednesday.

I don’t know that anything at this point could re-center the political debate, so unyielding are the two parties. But as Congress prepares to take steps, through the deliberations of the already deadlocked supercommittee, that will likely further wound our ailing economy, “The Way Forward” ought to at least give our politicians pause.

Its analysis of our problems is sobering. Its proposed solutions are far more ambitious than anything being talked about in Washington. And its prognosis, if we continue on the current path, is grim. “Unless we take dramatic steps, it will be Japan all over again,” says Alpert. “Continuous deflation, no economic growth, in and out of recessions. And high unemployment.” Adds Hockett: “It will be like the economic version of chronic fatigue syndrome. A low-grade fever all the time.”

The paper’s central premise is something I’ve been hearing from Alpert for more than a year now: this time, it really is different. What he and his co-authors mean by that is that the bursting of the debt bubble three years ago was not just a severe example of the ups and downs that are an inevitable part of American capitalism. Rather, it was the ultimate consequence of the modern global economy. Chief among the changes that have taken place is the integration of China, Russia, India and other countries into the global economic mainstream. The developed world once had maybe 500 million workers. Today, say the authors, we’ve added another two billion people to the global work force.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 07:45:17

Wall Street protests to target NYC millionaires
By Meghan Barr
Associated Press / October 11, 2011

NEW YORK—The national Occupy Wall Street movement has been heating up again — resulting in about 50 arrests in Boston early Tuesday and plans for a Manhattan “Millionaires March” to the homes of some of New York City’s wealthiest residents.

The protesters from the Occupy Boston movement were arrested after they ignored warnings to move from a downtown greenway near where they have been camped out for more than a week, police said.

Police spokesman Jamie Kenneally said the arrests began about 1:30 a.m. Tuesday and were mostly for trespassing. A conservancy group recently planted $150,000 worth of shrubs along the greenway and officials said they were concerned about damage.

Hundreds of college students marched through downtown Boston on Monday and gathered on Boston Common, holding signs that read “Fund education, not corporations.” The protesters are angry with an education system they say mimics “irresponsible, unaccountable, and unethical financial practices” of Wall Street.

During the York City march on Tuesday afternoon, protesters will bear oversize checks, intended to symbolize how much less the wealthy will pay when New York’s 2 percent “millionaires’ tax” expires in December.

The marchers plan to visit the homes of News Corp. CEO Rupert Murdoch, JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon and oil tycoon David Koch, among others. They don’t have a permit, but will walk in a narrow column so they don’t block sidewalks, according to Doug Forand, a protest leader.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-10-11 10:31:24

Perhaps they aren’t as clueless as I thought. I figured they were clueless when they occupied Wall Street, a place the top financial executives moved out of starting 50 years ago. But they appear to be catching on.

Now if they could just understand that their generation has been screwed in ALL social institutions, including business and government.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 11:22:56

One screw at a time.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 12:07:06

Now if they could just understand that their generation has been screwed in ALL social institutions, including business and government.

Looks like Professor Bear’s grip on this weeks “Eeyore Award” has a contender!

Filed under: “Hey, cut with tho$e negative wave$ Kelly!”

Aging Parking Meters Get Solar Upgrade:

NPR: October 6, 2011

A small solar-powered parking meter company is benefiting from the down economy and aging parking infrastructure. Chad Randall, COO of IPS, talks to Lynn Neary about why the company has been able to double the number of its employees over the last year.

LYNN NEARY, host: As we talk about jobs in this country, the stream of bad economic news seems almost constant. Unemployment has hovered around nine percent for more than two years and shows little sign of improving. But there are some aberrations and bright spots and our next guest is one of them.

Chad Randall is the chief operating officer of IPS, a small San Diego-based company that manufactures solar powered parking meters that accept credit cards. And he’s doing just fine. In fact, in the last year, he has doubled his employees from 30 to 60.

NEARY: Do you think it should be easier for green energy companies to get loan guarantees and subsidies?

RANDALL: Yeah, that’s been a very popular topic for sure, recently. I think green energies should be given opportunities to be funded by the federal government or local agencies, in order to promote them. Because only when those technologies become more mainstream, will the costs associated with producing them and manufacturing them drop to a level where they may not need that anymore. They do need that kick start.

NEARY: Well, of course, you said this has been under discussion a lot recently, because of Solyndra, the solar energy company in California that has been getting a lot of scrutiny lately. It received $535 million federal loan guarantee, but was hemorrhaging money and eventually declared bankruptcy.

Do you think that what’s going on with Solyndra is going to have a chilling effect on the green energy industry? Will it be bad for your business?

RANDALL: I don’t think it will be bad for our business. I think what it definitely will do is it will make the process to get access to money more difficult. I think that you’ll find that those lenders are now going to have to dive deeper into the company’s operations and finances.

And so, from that point of view, I would say, you know, yes. Potentially for us, the fact that that process can now be, you know, extended and lengthened does delay the time that we can get access to the capital.

NEARY: Well, let me ask you this. We’ve been hearing so much about how business and small businesses, like your own, are sort of the engines of growth for the economy. And you’ve managed to thrive in this difficult economic situation ’cause you have a good product. But what else does a small business like yours need in order to create jobs? What would you say it needs? And what is it need from the government, anything?

RANDALL: Well, the most challenging thing when we were much younger, was access to capital. We definitely did look at small business loans, you know, because the government was making this massive pool of funds available to banks, in order to land to small businesses. But having gone through that process and ultimately we decided not to, it was explained to me by several bankers that the small business loans were, in fact, the loan of last resort.

And the reason I think that is, is because the government doesn’t just guarantee you the loan. The government will back it in the event that there is a default. And in the event of default, the bank is first going to go after the companies assets; they’re going to go after the owner’s assets, including your personal home as a way to pay off that loan. And then, if there’s any money outstanding, the government will step in and take a piece of that.

So I think if there’s any way to provide easier access to that money for small businesses, to me, that would be a homerun.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 07:47:40

Op-Ed Columnist
Panic of the Plutocrats
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: October 9, 2011

It remains to be seen whether the Occupy Wall Street protests will change America’s direction. Yet the protests have already elicited a remarkably hysterical reaction from Wall Street, the super-rich in general, and politicians and pundits who reliably serve the interests of the wealthiest hundredth of a percent.

And this reaction tells you something important — namely, that the extremists threatening American values are what F.D.R. called “economic royalists,” not the people camping in Zuccotti Park.

Consider first how Republican politicians have portrayed the modest-sized if growing demonstrations, which have involved some confrontations with the police — confrontations that seem to have involved a lot of police overreaction — but nothing one could call a riot. And there has in fact been nothing so far to match the behavior of Tea Party crowds in the summer of 2009.

Nonetheless, Eric Cantor, the House majority leader, has denounced “mobs” and “the pitting of Americans against Americans.” The G.O.P. presidential candidates have weighed in, with Mitt Romney accusing the protesters of waging “class warfare,” while Herman Cain calls them “anti-American.” My favorite, however, is Senator Rand Paul, who for some reason worries that the protesters will start seizing iPads, because they believe rich people don’t deserve to have them.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-10-11 09:24:51

Both Roosevelts knew this and fought hard to restore balance.

Comment by ahansen
2011-10-11 23:47:08

I’ve been enjoying your commentary, turk. Sounds somehow familiar…. :-)

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 09:40:06

Eric Can’torwon’t, the House majority leader,[until he runs for "I'm-the-Decider!]

“economic royalist$

Cloaked in The Color Purple. ;-)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 10:38:52

heheeeheeeheehaahaaahaaheeehaahaaa… (Hwy50™) ;-)

Foghorn Leghorn: “Eyes say boy, A sensitive mind won’t stand being picked on.”

Occupy Wall Street protesters plan to stop at Rupert Murdoch’s apartment on ‘Billionaires Tour’

By Dylan Stableford | The Cutline

“Wanna “see how the 1% lives”? Then join us on a walking tour of the homes of some of the bank and corporate executives that don’t pay taxes, cut jobs, engaged in mortgage fraud, tanked our economy [...] all while giving themselves record setting bonuses! Occupy Wall Street will join community groups fighting for economic justice.”

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 11:28:29

New Edition: WSJ = The Wall $treet Jokester$ :-)

Protesters plan more ‘Occupied Wall Street Journal’ issues with Kickstarter cash:
By Dylan Stableford | The Cutline – Wed, Oct 5, 2011

Two of the protesters, however, have taken an old-school approach to get their message across–launching the Occupied Wall Street Journal, a free print publication, with more than $46,000 in donations on Kickstarter.

The first issue quickly ran out of its 50,000 issue print-run when it hit Zuccotti Park on Saturday. The paper’s editors–Jed Brandt and Michael Levitin–ordered a second printing of 20,000 copies on Monday night, and are planning publishing a second issue on Thursday. Brandt did not immediately respond to a message sent through the group’s Kickstarter page.

While the protest paper appears to be the only publication dedicated to Occupy Wall Street, the founders emphasize that the paper “is not the ‘official’ media of the occupation — there is no official media!”

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-10-11 08:14:36

This just might unlock that NYC pricing logjam:

New York Comptroller Sees 10,000 More Securities Jobs Lost by End 2012

New York City’s securities industry could lose nearly 10,000 jobs by the end of 2012, New York state’s comptroller predicted, a painful blow to the area’s economy and government budgets.

http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/113648/wall-street-shrinkage-wsj?mod=bb-budgeting

 
Comment by Kim
2011-10-11 08:24:59

Update on my friends’ house in short sale: they got an offer for $140K after well over a year on the market. Its a nice house in an exurban, bubble-era, cookie-cutter neighborhood (so less than ten years old). They owe $180K, paid something in the low-$200K’s. Now its up to the bank. Most banks won’t consider a short sale until the seller actually delinquent. Last I heard they were still making payments, so that could hurt their chances. Still, a $40K loss (on the bank’s part) is fairly mild considering a lot of the losses I’ve read and heard about.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 09:58:09

New$ from,…”Thee O.C.!” ;-)

1,000 O.C. homes pulled off the market
October 11th, 2011, by Jon Lansner / OC Register

http://lansner.ocregister.com/2011/10/11/1000-o-c-homes-pulled-off-the-market/130873/

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 10:03:09

9 Worst Recession Ghost Towns in America
Ghost Towns, Demolition, Kittens
By BLAIRE BRIODY, The Fiscal Times
August 3, 2011

America has a new kind of ghost town, haunted by the spirits of the recession. Developers caught up in the runaway housing boom overbuilt and oversold lots, houses and condos, leaving neighborhoods barren with uninhabited model homes, eerily desolate luxury condos, and abandoned McMansions in the aftermath of the collapse.

Most of these recession ghost towns lie in heavily-hit regions of the housing crisis: South Florida, Arizona, California and Nevada. Some in metropolitan areas like Phoenix and Miami, have a better chance of surviving after the housing market recovers, but others are in remote desert developments where municipal services have long since left. “We saw a lot of overbuilding in areas where there isn’t going to be much buying activity,” says Rick Sharga of RealityTrac. “Those areas are going to take a long time to come back, if they ever do.”

There are currently 18,700,000 vacant units across the country, according to Census data, and vacancies rates in the homeowner market have grown 12 percent since the recession started. Vacancies are the highest in the southern and western regions of the country.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 11:10:34

There are currently 18,700,000 vacant units across the country

Demolition “Bidne$$” = pawn$hop/impound-towing$/ca$hferGoldnosering/makelikenewKatrinausedcar$ growth type Job$

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 11:36:36

Puuting 5 people into each one that could house almost 100,000,000 people.

Fire up the bulldozers. There are no buyers for these units. (I loved the picture of the empty development wth the abandoned model homes in the middle.)

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 10:17:30

(Might make for a good DooDah Parade skit: “$tuff-A-MegaWankerBanker” statue pulled in a Radio-Flyer wagon by The Debt Zombie$, followed behind by a ca$trated bronze Wall $treet bull)

heheeeheeeheehaahaaahaaheeehaahaaa… (Hwy50™) ;-)

Dead mountain lion brings lawmakers together
October 11th, 2011 by Teri Sforza, OC Register staff writer

“I am signing SB 769 which allows for a dead mountain lion to be stuffed and displayed,” Gov. Jerry Brown said in his deliciously snarky approval message. “This presumably important bill earned overwhelming support by both Republicans and Democrats.

“If only that same energetic bipartisan spirit could be applied to creating clean energy jobs and ending tax laws that send jobs out of state.”

Or, maybe, restructuring the state’s finances? Just thinking out loud here.

So the new law will allow museums and nonprofits to stuff and display dead mountain lions — overturning a 1990 ballot measure mandating that dead animals be stored with the Department of Fish and Game. According to the Sacramento Bee, a Kern County museum can finally display the dead mountain lion that’s been in its freezer for years. Whew!

This one also earned a California Squirrel from the folks at the Orange County Business Council: ”SB 769’s purpose of allowing for the stuffing and displaying of dead mountain lions isn’t exactly going to be a jobs creator. Except for taxidermists,” it snarked.

“Thee O.C.!” Business Council also gave a Squirrel to the state’s new ban on banning circumcision (“In the flap over San Francisco’s proposed circumcision ban, the Legislature has inserted itself into the thick of things”).

So much frivolity, so little time.

 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-11 11:07:20

Move to China for a job? Unemployed cope by leaving US
By Bob Sullivan - MSNBC

For years, American jobs have been exported overseas, to places like China or India. Now we’re exporting our people there, too.

“I just got tired of how the economy was going back home. I just figured things had to better somewhere else,” said Francine, a former real estate agent in Las Vegas who recently moved to Xi’an, in central China, for work.

She has two jobs, but says her standard of living is a little bit better than when she left Nevada. “It’s kind of ironic — the middle class in China is growing while the middle class in America is shrinking.”

Francine, who spoke with msnbc.com on condition of anonymity, had never been to China before making the decision to move there with her husband, and she doesn’t speak Chinese. But she’s found enough locals who speak her language, and “when I meet someone who doesn’t speak English, I play charades with them.” The couple moved into a small one-bedroom apartment where he works in the import/export business, and she works constantly as a freelance magazine writer and at a learning center. She said she was surprised by the difference she felt immediately in the way her new neighbors treated her.

“Being poor anywhere in the world is bad, (but) if you are broke in the U.S., people just do not treat you very well,” said Francine, who is 28 years old. “In China, people are still very polite and respectful regardless of your financial status and I like that.”

There’s no hard data on private-sector Americans working overseas. In 2004, the U.S. Census Bureau tried and abandoned an official count of the then-estimated 4 million Americans working outside the country. In 2009, the U.S. State Department said it believed there were 5.3 million Americans living overseas, but cautioned that the number was an out-of-date guess. That means there’s no way to know for sure how many Francines there are. But the response to our recent series on “Crazy things Americans are doing to cope with the recession,” and a collection of anecdotes from around the world, hints that many U.S. workers are performing the same analysis that multinational corporations have made — life overseas is cheaper, and in some ways easier, than in America. Reversing a trend that’s perhaps 400 years old, workers are leaving America to find opportunity elsewhere.

“After the market crashed, the only jobs that were available were temp jobs, or jobs with very high turnover. Either way, I knew that I could not get by like that or even dare to save money,” Francine said. “So, after a grueling two month debate with myself, I finally decided to sell what little I had left of my belongings and put the rest in a small storage unit…and armed with $300, I flew to China.”

To be sure, even people like Francine still believe success in America is sweeter than anywhere else on the planet — and she hopes to return to the U.S. when the economy recovers. (That’s why she requested anonymity; “I wouldn’t want a future employer to think I’m unpatriotic,” she said.). But she believes her best chance of riding out the current economic storm is far from her home port. And while she misses her laundry dryer, her car and being able to flush toilet paper down the toilet, living in China does offer some advantages.

“The cost of living is really cheap,” she said. “I can go and get massages and manicures every week and it only costs about $13 for both. You can’t get those prices back home. In fact, those were luxuries I cut out in order to save money.”

http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/10/8257389-move-to-china-for-a-job-unemployed-cope-by-leaving-us

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 11:28:23

I call BS on this article.

Basically her husband was the one who got a real job (and hence the work Visa) in the import/export business. She just went along for the ride. There’s no way she could have got a work visa with her lack of skills. My guess is that she teaches English at the “learning center” and she wouldn’t even be able to afford the 1 bedroom apt on her own income.

Comment by ahansen
2011-10-11 23:59:46

English teachers are in great demand in PRC, though most unmarried ones live in dorms on campus or have a roommate in a close-in apartment.

Work visa ares still readily available through scholastic and NGO entities, and Americans are in particular demand amongst the young intelligentsia/entrepreneurial as both friends and mates because of their contacts “back home.” Marriage provides wealthy Chinese parents a means of siphoning money into the US…most often in the form of real estate.

As I’ve mentioned before, several of my (well-educated,) nieces did quite well for themselves as teachers and translators, and ended up marrying the scions of PRC politicos.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 11:33:53

What I’m saying is that other countries don’t hand out work visas like candy. To get one you need to be experienced and competent in a high demand field and there has to be a local shortage of talent. If you have those qualifications then you probably already have a job in the 1st world, as opposed to being an unemployed, unskilled Realtor. And even with those qualifications it’s seldom a slam dunk. You will find yourself in an endless maze of bureaucracy where you have to pay bribes to get anything done.

Comment by b-hamster
2011-10-11 13:21:28

There’s an interesting web log called Sovereign Man by Simon Black and he speaks all the time about emigrating from the U.S. to other emerging nations with better infrastructure, taxes, opportunity, freedoms, health care, etc. - info on obtaining second passports, setting up bank accounts, etc.

I no longer get his newsletter, but it was quite interesting.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 15:01:49

“info on obtaining second passports”

Really?

So you can just waltze into your local Chinese consulate and they’ll give you a Chinese passport?

Me thinks not.

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Comment by b-hamster
2011-10-11 17:31:12

Well it’s obviously not that easy. He’s pretty thourough and competent. I suggest reading the blog if that’s your thing. I may attempt a second passport from Poland as my family emigrated from there in 1900 or 1901 (if it is 1899, it dis not fesible). There are many options if it is something you desire.

 
Comment by b-hamster
2011-10-11 17:41:40

I would suggest reading the blog. You’d be surprised. I don’t recall suggesting obtaining one from China either.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 20:28:21

A Polish Passport won’t get you into China.

As for your Polish Passport, 100 years is a long time. Good luck.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-10-12 08:15:08

I may attempt a second passport from Poland as my family emigrated from there in 1900 or 1901 (if it is 1899, it dis not fesible).

If you read this, I’d like to hear more about the options. You can find me on the HBB group on Facebook.

 
 
 
Comment by butters
2011-10-11 14:37:22

What I’m saying is that other countries don’t hand out work visas like candy.

Yeah if you are Bangldeshi. If you are a gringo, life is much better.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 15:06:23

If you are a gringo, life is much better.

Like I said, if you have the right skills and there is a local shortage then maybe. But if you think they’ll give you the equivalent of a green card just because you’re a Yankee, dream on.

I knew Americans in Mexico, who were married to Mexicans, who couldn’t get a work visa. When I worked for HP I heard horror stories about getting work visas for temporary transfers in the EU.

It’s NOT a slam dunk just because you’re American. Not by a long shot.

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Comment by Moman
2011-10-11 11:40:40

Update on my search for a short term Phoenix rental:

I put an offer in and made a deposit on a rental that is in my price range and desired location. I consented to a credit check and paid the fee, which came back good (as expected). Yesterday I received a call from the credit check company (ACS) attempting to verify my employment. Since I own a company, they would have to verify it with me, which doesn’t appear kosher to them. ACS demanded business tax forms, W2, paycheck stubs, etc. I told them to go pound sand. I have enough cash in my checking account to pay the lease in full. Do these people obviously do not understand all of the vacant homes in the area? Thus, the search continues.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 12:48:29

the credit check company (ACS)

Perhaps they’re suffering from “Burnt Fingers” dementia :-/

 
Comment by drumminj
2011-10-11 14:39:44

I have enough cash in my checking account to pay the lease in full. Do these people obviously do not understand all of the vacant homes in the area? Thus, the search continues.

When I first moved to Seattle I didn’t have a job. The places I wanted to rent wanted to see pay stubs - which I was happy to furnish, but they were 3-4 months old. The owner of the second apartment complex I rented from was really cool about it. I met him for a drink and we discussed my situation - I told him I was happy to provide old pay stubs and a current bank account statement. His take was that my willingness to provide such things (and offering that up) was sufficient to show that such a thing was unnecessary.

I loved living there. It’s nice to be able to do “honest” business without all the BS.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-11 15:24:44

drumminj

This is why i wont or cant rent in a corporate building…What??? all I have proof of paying rent on time for 10 years call my landlord… isn’t that good enough for you?

A beer and a friendly attitude goes along way these days with a REALowner.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Moman
2011-10-11 11:42:36

Did anyone see the WSJ article last week about the Canadian investment club that is buying 30 investment homes in the Phoenix area, hoping to resell in 5-7 years at a profit? Does anyone else feel this investment club will turn out to be a not-so-good investment? By my estimation, Phoenix has at least 30% more homes than are demanded by the population, there are no barriers to building more homes, and the area is likely to lose residents who return home to CA now that prices are cheaper there, relatively speaking.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 11:45:00

Kiyosaki

$lang for: Canadian Goldminer$ ;-)

 
Comment by b-hamster
2011-10-11 12:01:10

Living in a border town, I know many Canadians looking south for soewhere to park their loonies - usually in places like Phoenix and Vegas. Considering you can get proprty for a tenth of the price of the Vancouver market, it sounds compelling. The greater fool theory at play.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 11:43:06

The in$ignificant, peon, irrelevant’$,…Knot!

Blunt truth always worked for three lost recently

By MARK WHICKER /COLUMNIST /THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

Telling the truth means you don’t have to remember anything.

When Mike Heimerdinger, Dave Hill and Pete Gent passed away in recent days, they left no equivocation behind.

For all three, belief was an instrument. Usually a blunt one. When they spoke they did not need approval. They also didn’t need translators.

It is unbearably hollow to say they died too early, but Heimerdinger was just 58.

He was in Mexico, chasing a remedy for the cancer that visited him last season when he was the Tennessee Titans offensive coordinator.

“You learn a lot about somebody when you live with them,” said Gene Murphy, who was Cal State Fullerton’s coach when he hired Heimerdinger to run the offense in 1988.

The year before, Heimerdinger coached at Florida, which beat the Titans, 65-0.

“We figured this was the ultimate punishment,” Murphy said at the time.

Heimerdinger moved in with Murphy while his family was getting re-situated. The next year he coached at Rice, and then at Duke, and finally got a job with the Denver Broncos, who were coached by his old Eastern Illinois roommate, Mike Shanahan.

He did two tours each with Denver and Tennessee. Along the way he coached Steve McNair, Jay Cutler and Vince Young.

When a Nashville writer observed that the Titans were absolving McNair of blame, Heimerdinger didn’t just simmer and stew. He invited the reporter for an hour-long film session and showed him, play-by-play, where his receivers or his linemen or Heimerdinger himself had failed McNair

Heimerdinger’s dad was a football coach, and Mike and his brother grew up playing on sandlots in DeKalb, Ill.

An acquaintance reminded him he had been a kicker on one of Heimerdinger’s teams. The coach replied, “Back where I come from, we don’t consider kickers football players.”

He did not complain, not when fellow assistant Mike Munchak became the head Tennessee coach and fired him, not when the cancer continued its march. He was trying experimental methods when he died on Sept. 30.

Last week Dave Hill died, at 74, from emphysema, caused by smoking, maybe caused in turn by too many defiant 4-footers.

Hill won 13 tour events, three in 1969, when he also won the Vardon Trophy for low stroke average. His shotmaking was pure; his personality was transparent.

Once he was fined $500 for something he said and he wrote out a $1,000 check. He explained, “I’m getting ready to say something else.”

He always said he was “about three strokes a week short” of winning a major. But Hill finished second at the U.S. Open in 1970, which was outright stunning considering what else he did that week.

Aghast at the barren Hazeltine course in Chaska, Minn., Hill said architect Robert Trent Jones had screwed up a good farm, should have imported some cows and must have had the blueprints upside down.

Fans mooed at Hill the rest of the week, and at one point Hill told them, “If I couldn’t moo better than that I’d send myself to the slaughterhouse.”

Later, Hazeltine tacitly validated Hill by ordering a re-do (by Jones’ son Rees) and has played host to a U.S. Open and two PGAs since then.

After a round, Hill would mix a drink and hold court in the clubhouse.

Asked why Lanny Wadkins was slumping, Hill said, “That’s what happens when you can’t get it up and down from the ballwasher anymore.”

And when Tom Weiskopf was shown on TV, Hill smiled and said, “If you put Jack Nicklaus’ head on his shoulders, you’d worry the world.”

Pete Gent, who was 69 when he died Sept. 30 of a pulmonary disease, worried the NFL’s world.

In 1973, he wrote “North Dallas Forty,” the “Ball Four” of football, a novel about Phil Elliott, a disaffected Cowboys wide receiver who got crushed by the NFL’s conformity machine.

That happens at the end of a week of drugs, booze, romping with the owner’s girlfriend and discovering a mysterious new love outside the stadium, where humanity lived.

Not coincidentally Gent was a Cowboys wide receiver, although he was a Michigan State basketball star who didn’t play football. As an outsider he was repelled by football’s pain-killing, soul-crushing essence but entranced by the rush of catching 40-yard post patterns.

“The one thing that makes a pro football player is intense and constant fear,” he wrote.

“North Dallas Forty” was educational and ruthlessly hilarious. Today, NFL players make far too much money to dwell on the contradictions that Gent found, and the national obsession with the NFL would drown out his misgivings. But those who read the book find it more vivid, even today, than the vast majority of Super Bowls.

At one point, the real Gent spied a Dallas rookie who was engrossed in the club’s playbook. “Don’t bother,” Gent told him. “Everybody gets killed in the end.”

When you tell the truth, everybody remembers.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2011-10-11 11:52:11

Question for consideration:

Can governments and policy makers around the world actually ignore the Japanese policy response following the collapse of their asset bubble or the consequences of the US allowing Lehman to fail?

I think not, which makes it highly likely that:

1. The major European powers will make supporting their banks the #1 priority (even if it means paying Slovakia lots of money to buy their vote); and

2. Central Banks around the world will engage in round after round of QE until their efforts create the inflation that they seek?

I think it makes it even more likely when you see the opposite kinds of responses appearing to be better (TARP in the US), and that (except in rare circumstances) eventually inflation can be brought under control, while consistent deflation is very difficult to combat–and will potentially lead to inflation anyway (let’s see what happens to Japan).

This isn’t commentary about what is fair, appropriate, moral, etc. But instead the likely policy responses based upon some recent real-life examples. Thus QE by the US Fed, thus Dexia, thus the pending(?) recap of European banks, operation twist, QE in the UK, etc.

The longer we muddle through (and don’t fall back into recession or massive job losses), the stronger the inclination will be to bail out and print…

Does anyone see this differently?

Comment by measton
2011-10-11 13:33:03

What if the top 0.1% have completely cashed out and are sitting on treasuries. How would that affect how they lobby gov officials in terms of a response?

If they are all sitting on cash then they want a collapse.

Comment by Rental Watch
2011-10-11 14:28:51

If that happened, then there could be some political pressure from that small portion of the population. However, if you look at the Forbes 400, most of those folks have their wealth in businesses that will do better in an inflationary environment than deflationary. I heard Chuck Schwab’s view on this as essentially “the Fed is trying like hell to create inflation, and eventually they’ll be successful”. He did not cash out.

Additionally, many of the top 0.1% hold substantial illiquid assets pre-Lehman (real estate, private equity stakes, etc.). It would have been very difficult for them to cash out completely without taking a massive haircut. There were a few endowments of universities who tried to sell private equity stakes (I think Harvard and Stanford were among them), only to find the discounts that the market demanded were too great…instead of selling their illiquid positions at such big discounts, they ended up borrowing money to provide the liquidity that they needed.

Some government pensions are back to buying hard assets (I know of one asset that CalPERs, and I’m sure that is a sign of more).

I’m sure those with significant assets did cash out to some extent, but from what I’ve seen, they did so mainly to raise cash to withstand another liquidity crisis in the world. Some of that raised liquidity was used as a hedge against inflationary forces by buying gold…

I’d be interested in the numbers, but I don’t think they support a complete cash out of the wealthiest. I think the push to cash represents a fear of another liquidity crisis in the near-term and inflation in the medium/longer term.

Perhaps the wealthiest moved all assets to cash, but this is not what I’ve seen from the wealthy that I know…

Comment by measton
2011-10-11 19:57:30

Do you know people in the top 0.1%. My guess is no.

There are many many wealthy people who have made their wealth on the back of the great financial bubble but don’t have inside info or influence. Doctors lawyers small and medium size business people should not be viewed as a barometer of what’s going to happen. It’s not the top 1% that matters it’s the top 100. I view stories like Hank Paulson going all treasuries and taking a jojb in the gov right before the crash as telling. I’d like to see what where the top GS ceo’s have their money.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 11:58:55

Wall Street Protesters Show Staying Power
Protesters march to Civic Plaza during Occupy San Diego on Friday, October 7, 2011.
Photo by Andy Trimlett / KPBS

Above: Protesters march to Civic Plaza during Occupy San Diego on Friday, October 7, 2011.

Tuesday, October 11, 2011
Associated Press

The protests against Wall Street look like they’ll be lasting longer than first expected. New York’s mayor on Monday indicated that the demonstrators can stay where they are, and protesters in Washington took a four-month extension of their permit to camp out near the White House.

With the original New York protest entering its fourth week, demonstrators said they are staying in their improvised camp in a downtown park for the long haul.

“The bottom line is that people want to express themselves, and as long as they obey the laws, we allow them to,” Mayor Michael Bloomberg told reporters when asked about the protesters’ staying power. “If they break the laws, then we’re going to do what we’re supposed to do — enforce the laws.”

The protesters say they’re fighting for the “99 percent,” or the vast majority of Americans who do not fall into the wealthiest 1 percent of the population; their causes range from bringing down Wall Street to fighting global warming. The movement gained traction through social media, and protests have taken place in several other cities nationwide.

Rapper Kanye West and the Rev. Al Sharpton, a civil rights leader, made impromptu appearances at Zuccotti Park on Monday.

Several hundred protesters briefly marched through the Wall Street neighborhood Monday evening, honking horns and chanting.

“The banks got bailed out, we got sold out!” went one chant.

“All day, all week, occupy Wall Street,” went another.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 12:36:29

@#$%%^^^$$#@@#$%%%%^%_____Black & Blue INK CLOUD_____@#$%%^^^$$#@@#$%%%%^%

“Dude it just,… disappeared!”
“What?”
“That Kochopu$!”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 13:02:44

“If they break the laws, then we’re going to do what we’re supposed to do — enforce the laws.”

Could we kindly extend this policy to the financial sector?

Comment by measton
2011-10-11 13:35:01

Cue the goons hired by the Koch brothers to break some windows so the police have an excuse to clamp down.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 14:37:42

You propose an interesting variant on “Broken Window Economics.”

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 14:58:00

Could we kindly extend this policy to the financial sector?

What are you, some kind of Communist?

 
 
 
Comment by SOLD IN 04
2011-10-11 12:00:23

The common thread that keeps emerging from many of these people who voted for Obama is that the higher educational establishment sold them a bill of goods. It made it too easy for them to rack up huge debt, while teaching them little to nothing about what the real economy needs and values in workers. The professors keep their tenure, the university presidents keep their lavish homes and manicured lawns, and the students who pay exorbitant fees to keep the bubble inflated get left unprepared for the real world, with little but a lifetime of debt to show for it.

Many of these protesters have legitimate beefs. They’re just misdirecting their anger, thanks both to the political rhetoric coming from the White House, and to the poor quality of the education their hard work has purchased

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 12:26:35

They’re just misdirecting their anger, thanks both to the political rhetoric coming from the White House Godfather Cain, and to the poor quality of the education Pizza inGREEDients their hard work has purchased. :-)

Previously:

“I don’t have much patience for someone who does not want to achieve their American dream the old-fashioned way.”

Ha, he’ll fit right in the GOP ol’ boyz club then:

(For the HBB youngster’s):

SMITH BARNEY. “We make money the old fa$hioned way. We EARN IT!”
Encyclopedia of Major Marketing Campaigns

Ad Campaign Overview:

In the 1970s, Smith Barney was a small, obscure investment banking firm with a “white-glove” reputation. After deregulation in 1975, fixed-rate commissions were abolished for all transactions, including the large institutional fees with which Smith Barney made its money.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 13:21:27

Foghorn Leghorn: “The dawg’s copy editor is busier than a centipede at a toe-counting contest.” ;-)

“Heal America, tax Wall Street.” A protester with a more gentle message participates in an Occupy Oakland rally.

‘Occupy’ protest signs get in your face:

Take a virtual tour of protests around the country with messages told through signs.

TEXT BY SAMANTHA GOWEN, THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER, PHOTOS FROM STAFF AND WIRE SERVICES

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/signs-321397-tell-percent.html?pic=1#article-photos

 
Comment by measton
2011-10-11 13:44:33

Funny I don’t remember any large universities promising anything in TV commercials. Care to post an example of this.

The problem is that just like real estate many were sucked in by the GIANT credit bubble that made everything look good. The false advertising was not done at the university level (some tech/trade schools are a different story but since you brought up tenure) it wsa done by the gov ie Deficits don’t matter Cheney, There is no bubble in housing (insert name of FED official), Ownership society GW, Every realtor and investment advisor, etc etc etc. Also it was not higher education that made borrowing easy it was the gov and lending sectors.

It is you that are misdirecting your anger.My bet is there are a large number of kids from GOP families in the same situation, ie expensive education and no job.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 13:01:25

Nobelists: US history holds solution to eurozone crisis
(AFP) – 22 hours ago

PRINCETON, New Jersey — The American winners of this year’s Nobel prize in economics said Tuesday that the solutions to the eurozone crisis are clear, economically, and the issue is mainly political.

New York University’s Thomas Sargent, who with Princeton University colleague Christopher Sims captured the annual prize for economics, said the history of the founding of the United States shows what the issues and solutions are.

“There are no new issues in economic theory with Europe and the euro… the difficult thing is the politics,” Sargent told a news conference in Princeton.

“In the 1780s, the United States is a basket case,” he said, with 13 sovereign governments — the 13 original states — each of which could raise taxes and print money.

Meanwhile, he said, the new country had a very weak center, not having yet established a central bank or gained taxing power.

“Does this remind you of anything?… They (the states) all have debt, and the center has debt. Like eurobonds, they are going at deep discount.”

Sims said the crisis of the European Monetary Union, focused now on Greece’s inability to service its debts, and with two other members, Ireland and Portugal, in tough bailout programs, was predictable — and that he had predicted it.

“I wrote a paper a few years ago on the precarious fiscal foundations of the EMU,” Sims said hours after the Nobel announcement.

“The euro was founded with a central bank but no unified fiscal authority,” he said, which “raised questions about what would happen when the need for fiscal and monetary coordination arose.”

The eurozone nations “will have to work out a way to share fiscal burdens and connect fiscal authorities to the ECB,” the European Central Bank.

“Right now none of those connections are clear… and the prospects for the euro are dim.”

Sargent said the way the 13 states came together in 1787 to combine their debt under the new federal government and allow the federal government to levy taxes to be able to service the debt points the way for the eurozone.

But he said achieving that took a huge, complex and bold political decision.

“We were born with a determined solution to the problem that Europe is facing now. And it was a comprehensive solution,” he told journalists.

“It was all done simultaneously, through a process that looks like a miracle.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 13:12:59

Euro as coin = “Conformi$t”
Euro as taxe$ = “Non-Conformi$T”

“a stitch tax in time, saves nine”

 
Comment by Steve W
2011-10-11 13:23:10

Slovakia just rejected the EFSF.

Sell, Mortimer, Sell!

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 14:35:58

Slovakia rejects European bailout plan

View Photo Gallery —  European leaders are at a crossroads: They must pull closer together or risk the euro currency project falling apart.

By Anthony Faiola, Tuesday, October 11, 2:09 PM

LONDON — Tiny Slovakia on Tuesday defied its mightier neighbors and rejected an expanded rescue fund to save Europe’s ailing nations and troubled banks, effectively holding ransom the region’s plan to fend off a broader economic crisis.

The “no” vote after a marathon session of parliament in the sleepy Slovak capital of Bratislava threw up yet another stumbling block in Europe’s haphazard crusade to staunch a debt crisis that is threatening the global financial system. The Slovaks were scrambling late Tuesday to rearrange a new vote after the government there became the first to fall in Europe over opposition to bailouts.

But the rejection nevertheless seemed destined to rattle already jittery investors and further zap the confidence of world leaders in the ability of the Europeans to solve their own problems. The dizzying power of Slovakia to scupper a major rescue effort largely drafted by far larger Germany and France was illustrating the quixotic nature of European governance and the region’s bungled attempts to quell the crisis. Delays in resolving the crisis are heightening fears that bad debt in Europe could infect global banks in much the same way that U.S. subprime mortgages did following the fall of Lehman Brothers in September 2008.

After months of wrangling over what to do about nations such as near-bankrupt Greece, European leaders finally agreed to the expanded plan for a $588 billion rescue fund as far back as July. But its creation has been contingent on parliamentary approval in the 17 nations that share euro, with all but Slovakia signing off.

On Tuesday, the most populist of the four parties in Slovak Prime Minister Iveta Radicova’s ruling coalition made good on its threat to block the fund. Digging in its heels, the party said it would not let poor, debt-adverse Slovaks with one of the lowest average wages in Europe help foot the bill to save profligate Greeks and the big banks that own their debt.

“I’d rather feel ashamed in Brussels than in front of my children,” Richard Sulk, head of the rebel Freedom and Solidarity Party, proudly declared in the Slovak parliament, referring to European Union’s administrative capital in Belgium.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-10-11 13:29:46

The American union was between several rather similar states. Same language. Very similar ethnic mixes. The 13 colonies were British colonies.

European states have different ethnicities and languages. They are ethno-states. They’ve fought two civil (world) wars and just return to their starting positions.

That’s quite a different situation than the early US.

 
 
Comment by WMBZ
2011-10-11 13:03:10

Shaw plant closing will lay off 270 people
jamiejones@daltoncitizen.com

Shaw Industries will lay off about 270 workers when it closes a carpet manufacturing plant on Riverbend Drive in Dalton,GA “in the very near future,” company officials said Monday.

This is at least the fourth local plant Shaw has either closed or laid off workers at this year.

Shaw has closed a spun yarn plant in Chatsworth, and plants in Eton and Ringgold have restructured production schedules resulting in fewer shifts. About 670 total Shaw workers have been laid off, had their hours cut or switched jobs because of the changes.

The latest plant closing is another blow to an area already hard-hit by high unemployment. The unemployment rate in metro Dalton (Murray and Whitfield counties) was 12.1 percent in August, down from 12.4 percent in July, but still well above the state and national average.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 13:38:52

Georgia = “a right not to find work” State

Yosemite Sam: “MAH BISCUITS ARE BURNIN’! FIRE IN THE HAT! GREAT HORNY TOADS, THAT SMARTS!!!”

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 13:09:18

News from: “The earth is flat! $ociety”

Average weekly jobless benefit [CA]: $294:
October 11th, 2011, by Mary Ann Milbourn / OC Register

Although the maximum jobless benefit in California is $450 a week, many of the 1.1 million people now collecting unemployment are getting less than that. A lot less.

The Employment Development Department reports that the average weekly unemployment check in August was $293.55. That was down from $299.23 a year ago and well off the peak benefit of $318.82 in June 2009.

Loree Levy, an EDD spokeswoman, said officials don’t know the precise reason for the decline in average weekly payouts. Part is due to the cutoff of the extra $25-a-week in benefits that was part of the economic stimulus program.

Also, there may have been more highly-paid white collar workers from the mortgage and finance sectors who lost their jobs in 2009. Unemployment is based on pay.

Levy suggested that more recently, the mix of unemployed may involve more people who were either lower-paid workers or employees who had their hours cutback before getting laid off, which would reduce their weekly jobless check.

Average weekly unemployment pay has always gone up and down with the economy, but the checks began a steady march higher after the state legislature approved a gradual increase in benefits from a maximum of $230 a week in 2001 to $450 in 2005.

The issue of unemployment benefits is heating up this week as Congress debates President Barack Obama’s jobs bill. Among his proposals is to continue the current 99 weeks of extended unemployment benefits for another year.

Critics argue extending benefits only encourages people to remain on unemployment rather than take any job that is offered.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-10-11 14:53:40

$299 a week! Party on Garth!

Comment by Muggy
2011-10-11 15:11:26

Party on Wayne!

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 13:34:37

Di$closure: (Hwy = no GPS, no $mart phone, not hip, ol’ throwbacker) besides, eyes currently just a land purveyor/surveyor whose adage is: “The map is not the territory” ;-)

A fool fer the tool, or a tool fer the fool?

O.C. Register launches free real estate app
October 11th, 2011, by Mary Ann Milbourn

People in the market for local real estate can get some help in their search for housing with a new free iPhone app for real estate listings launched Monday by The Orange County Register. The app provides comprehensive listings and customizable information for homes for rent or sale in Orange County. It also contains 100,000 listings throughout Southern California.

The app, which can be downloaded free from iTunes, can be customized for a variety of parameters including city, price, property type and number of bedrooms and bathrooms.

A “My Portfolio” tab allows users to add private notes or personal photos for homes that are of interest and set up alerts to be notified of open houses, new listings or price reductions. Listings can be shared by text or email.

Users also will be able to see photo galleries and community data like neighborhood demographics, school information, real estate tax, occupancy rates and a crime index.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 13:47:40

“Peak NBA”, coming soon: “Peak Oil” ;-)

How much are the NBA’s highest-paid losing?

Wait’ll you see how many digits are in these paychecks.

By LANDON HALL / THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

The first two weeks of the NBA season have now gone poof. That’s 100 games off the schedule that was supposed to open Nov. 1. If you work at a league arena parking cars or selling hot dogs, you’re out of work like so many other people.

But the real sympathy should be reserved for NBA owners and players, who won’t bring in any revenues from the insanely profitable league while the lockout is going on. The owners, of course, don’t tell us how much they make or lose on their teams, only that they can no longer make a go of it under the current system.

As for the players, their union has been warning them for three years that they should start squirreling away their money for just this occasion. Have they done it? Is Gilbert Arenas cutting back on the amount of chum he feeds his beloved sharks in his $1 million grotto?

We employed all the high-tech gadgetry at our disposal (OK, we only used the HoopsHype website and a Texas Instruments calculator) to figure out how much money the highest-paid players in the NBA stand to lose from just one paycheck. Teams only pay players when the season starts, so players won’t start to lose checks until November. We calculated the per-paycheck gross amount using their total season salary, divided by 12 pay periods (for a 24-week season ending in mid-April).

The first two weeks of the NBA season have been canceled, a total of 100 games. That’s one paycheck for an NBA player. Who’s losing the most money?

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/players-321404-nba-season.html

TEXT BY LANDON HALL, THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER;, PHOTOS (FROM LEFT) BY MARK J. TERRILL, AP; RONALD MARTINEZ, GETTY IMAGES; LYNNE SLADKY, AP

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-11 18:24:29

“The 30pc annual pace of loan growth is unprecedented in any major country in modern history. It is double the pace of America’s housing boom and Japan’s Nikkei bubble in the late 1980s. It may match US loan growth in the late 1920s.”

“The Communist Party is now struggling to cope with the fall-out. On Monday, the state investment fund Central Huijin began buying stakes in China’s four top banks to restore confidence and halt the slide in share prices.”

The first paragraph is odly missing America’s 90s -2007 housing boom and the second paragraph is the Chinese version of HBOs Too Big to Fail.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-11 15:55:43

Deadbeat Poets Society

For five years he`s lived for free
Said the banks took advantage of me
But now that his daughter
Said she married a squatter
He`s just so pissed off he can`t see

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-11 16:02:09

No BS, look it up

The Squatter’s Daughter

Henry Lawson, 1889

This squatter had a lovely child,
An angel bright we thought her;
And all the stockmen rude and wild
Adored the squatter’s daughter.

But on a bright eventful morn,
A swell of northern nation,
A lordling, brought his languid yawn
And eyeglass to the station.

He coveted the squatter’s wealth;
He saw the squatter’s daughter:
And, what is more than heart or health,
His empty title bought her.

And “Yes”, the father made her say
In spite of tears and kissing;
But early on the wedding day
The station found her missing.

And madder still the squatter grew,
And madder still the lover;
When by-and-by a-missing too,
A stockman they discover.

Then on the squatter’s brow the frown
Went blacker still and blacker;
He sent a man to bring from town
A trooper and a tracker.

The dusty rascal saw the trail;
He never saw it plainer;
The reason why he came to fail
Will take a shrewd explainer.

A day and night the party lose;
The track the tracker parried;
And then a stockman brought the news,
“The runaways were married!”

The squatter swore that he’d forgive,
Perhaps, when he forgot her;
But he’d disown her while he’d live,
And while they called him squatter.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2011-10-11 16:07:08

Slovakia rejects European bailout plan

By Anthony Faiola, Tuesday, October 11, 5:09 PM

LONDON — Tiny Slovakia on Tuesday defied its mightier neighbors and rejected an expanded rescue fund to save Europe’s ailing nations and troubled banks, effectively holding ransom the region’s plan to fend off a broader economic crisis.

The “no” vote after a marathon session of parliament in the sleepy Slovak capital of Bratislava threw up yet another stumbling block in Europe’s haphazard crusade to staunch a debt crisis that is threatening the global financial system. The Slovaks were scrambling late Tuesday to rearrange a new vote after the government there became the first to fall in Europe over opposition to bailouts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/slovakia-rejects-european-bailout-plan/2011/10/11/gIQAvKaHdL_story.html?hpid=z1

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-10-11 16:36:47

Deadbeat Poets Society

He coveted the squatter’s wealth;
He saw the squatter’s daughter:
Two-Hundred-thousand upside down?
This place is underwater.

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2011-10-11 18:23:47

“Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 09:30:01
There’s a huge problem somewhere. Even if somebody created 5 million jobs tomorrow at $50K each, that would still bring in only 37 billion in tax money (I’ll assume that around 15% goes to fed tax). Yet the budget deficit is near a trillion. What up?”

15% is just the payroll taxes, buy yeah, even if we go with something closer to 30%:
5×10^6 * 5×10^4 = 25×10^10. $250 billion. 30% of that is $75B.

From 2007 to 2009, corporate income tax receipts fell from $350B to $150B while individual income taxes fell from $1160T to $950.

The net result was a drop in total receipts of about $400B.

Add in a $500B deficits pre-bust, $150B off budget war spending, along with $400B extra gopvernment spending on unemployment, stimulus, etc.

Like magic, poof…. $1.4T a year deficits.

So, when Reps talk about “cut, cap, and balance” and no revenue increases they are saying, 50% across the board spending cuts.

Do you think my parents and in-laws realize that “cut, cap, and balance” means 50% cut to Medicare and Social Security? Would they still vote Republican if they did?

I’m kind of hoping a Republican does win in 2012, because only after each party has taken a swing and a miss, will we admit it is structural and not cyclical.

Comment by measton
2011-10-11 20:05:54

I like your optimism. 2 swings and a miss will be drowned out by propaganda.

I think your deficit reduction calculation fails to take into account increased spending by those newly employed 5 million people making 50k a year. That would increase sales taxes and create more jobs that would be taxed and pump up corporate profits and increase the price of housing etc etc.

 
Comment by GH
2011-10-11 20:17:28

Be better if we have some 20 million new $100k jobs, but frankly no one needs Americans when cheap foreign labor is 10% the cost.

We are going down hard.

 
 
Comment by liz pendens
2011-10-11 18:25:53

From Jim Cramer’s website:

“Finally, Cramer said that U.S. banks, thanks to Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner’s stress tests, are now some of the strongest banks in the world. He said there is still a mortgage mess in our country, but our banks are now strong enough to weather just about any storm.”

Expect US banks to fail within weeks.

 
Comment by waiting_in_la
2011-10-11 23:28:56

OWS might be gaining traction, looks like the PTB is pumping some BS fake terror plot about Iran.

I hear the war drums beating.
Fire up the propaganda machine.

 
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