October 11, 2011

Keep Working On That Price

The San Francisco Chronicle reports from California. “As the Occupy Wall Street movement expands across the nation, including to Oakland’s downtown plaza Monday, supporters hope to make it more politically powerful by focusing on real-life stories of people such as Mark Schwetz. Schwetz stood Thursday in front of the Federal Reserve building on San Francisco’s Market Street, holding a plain white piece of cardboard with a handwritten plea: ‘Return our homes.’ A few months after Schwetz purchased a home in Petaluma in 2004, his subprime mortgage payments doubled. For five years, he poured almost all of his earning as a FedEx driver into his house payments, until he couldn’t afford it any longer. He rented rooms to friends, but ‘it didn’t help much,’ he said.”

“Schwetz’s lender refused to renegotiate the borrowing terms. Two years ago, he sold his house, which had lost about half its original value of $400,000, for less than he owed on the mortgage - a practice known as a short sale. ‘I’m angry and I’m frustrated, and it’s really unfair what’s been done,’ said Schwetz,”

From RT.com. “In Los Angeles, homeowners facing foreclosure loudly expressed their shared grievances of the Occupy Wall Street movement and are planning to fight back. From struggling homeowners to the unemployed, people of all walks of life are becoming emboldened by the recent street demonstrations. ‘Two years ago I lost my job due to the economic meltdown that the banks created,’ said Javier Sarmiento, an unemployed homeowner. Sarmiento used to work at an auto parts plant. He is part of the 4.5 million people who have been unemployed for more than a year. Now, this father of two is struggling to hold on to his home. ‘Wall Street created this mess and they should be held accountable,’ Sarmiento said.”

“Rose Gudiel received an eviction notice after falling behind on her mortgage payments. ‘I’m a state worker and due to that I was furloughed and they lowered my hours so they also lowered my pay,’ said Gudiel.”

“Gudiel also had a death in her family, which caused further financial hardship. She claims her bank refused to deal with her when she tried to renegotiate her mortgage. ‘They’ve been governing our lives, our money, and just taking it,’ said Gudiel. ‘There has to be a stand and this is the stand that you’re seeing at this point,’ Gudiel added.”

The Pasadena Star News. “Pasadena Police officers arrested Bassett resident Rose Gudiel, her 63-year-old mother Rosa and six others on suspicion of unlawful assembly after the group had gathered inside Fannie Mae regional headquarters. According to public records, Gudiel’s property was sold to Fannie Mae for $451,616 in May. She was given a foreclosure notice in March.”

“‘Enough is enough,’ Gudiel shouted. ‘I’m not going anywhere until Fannie Mae tells me why they won’t let me keep my home.’”

The Daily Pilot. “Protesters disrupted a meeting of the California Bankers Assn. at the Balboa Bay Club in Newport Beach. About 40 members of ReFund California, a coalition of advocacy groups and union members, burst into the club’s ballroom, chanting, ‘Make banks pay!’ Joe Briones, a film major at L.A. City College who is helping to run the Occupy LA social media feed from the City Hall protests said, ‘The banks engineered the country’s financial collapse and then profited from it.’”

The Napa Valley Register. “Realtor Mariano Sanchez looks back at the early 2000s as the good ol’ days. Selling real estate since 1998, ‘those were my biggest years,’ Sanchez said. Starting in 2002, during the real estate boom, Sanchez said he closed 10 to 12 deals per year. ‘They were huge commissions,’ said Sanchez, who was working only part time in real estate at the time.”

“In 2007, when the market was ‘hot,’ Sanchez quit his day job. ‘I was thinking, ‘Forget about my fixed paycheck and go for the big money.’”

“Then the bottom fell out of the market. In 2007, he closed four deals in the first quarter, then nothing the rest of the year, he said. In 2008, he completed two sales. In 2009, three, and in 2010, five. ‘It’s not what it used to be,’ he said. ‘It’s a hardship to make a living in real estate right now.” To make ends meet, Sanchez said he also works as a security guard.”

“Sanchez said the Century 21 real estate office he works for used to have more than 30 people. ‘Now we only have six or seven agents,’ he said Where did they go? ‘No clue,’ he said. ‘They just vanish. Most people don’t want to talk about it,’ he said.”

The Press Telegram. “Some of the longest-running listings in the South Bay have racked up hundreds upon hundreds of days on public offer, and remain priced in the multi-millions, just waiting for a well-heeled buyer to make a move. 2260 Circle Drive, Hermosa Beach, is a newer (2005) Cape Cod home with five bedrooms, five baths and 3,575 square feet on a nice up-sloping lot. The greatest feature of the home is its big, open ocean views that stretch from Palos Verdes all the way north to Malibu.”

“Circle Drive is currently offered at $3,549,000 with a note that the seller is ‘MOTIVATED’ (all caps from the listing). No wonder. This one’s been on-and-off since April 2010, logging more than 500 combined days on market. (The current listing began July 1 and is a little over 90 days old.) At some point, after living with uncertainty for 18 months, you just want it sold.”

“3011 Johnston, Redondo Beach, a modestly sized (two bedrooms, two baths, 1,850 square feet) single-family home with separate guest house/studio, has racked up almost 440 days on market, with a start price just over $850,000 and a current list of $819,000. What is the market saying to each of these listings? Keep working on that price.”

The San Gabriel Valley News. “James Joseph, owner of Century 21 Ambassador and Coldwell Banker Ambassador in Whittier, said the low-priced inventory of available homes in the Whittier and San Gabriel Valley areas is active these days. ‘They move fast, and if they’re priced right we’re getting multiple offers,’ he said. ‘But we have less of an inventory than we had six months ago or a year ago. Many sellers have taken their homes off the market. They’re waiting for a better price.’”

“Michelle Minch, owner of Moving Mountains Design & Home Staging in Pasadena, said she’s getting good results these days. ‘Almost everything we’re staging is selling really quickly within the first couple of weeks,’ she said. ‘I staged a home in Arcadia that went into escrow within two weeks and it’s set to close soon for $750,000.’”

“On Thursday, Freddie Mac announced that the rate on the 30-year fixed mortgage fell to 3.94 percent from 4.01 percent last week, the previous low. The average rate on a 15-year fixed loan, a popular refinancing option, dipped to 3.26 percent, also a record. ‘Anyone who doesn’t know that now is the time to buy will look back on this period of history and say, ‘Darn, I wish I could have gotten on board,’ said Tom Adams, owner of Century 21 Adams & Barnes in Glendora and Monrovia.”

The Ventura County Star. “Financial adviser Suze Orman, speaking Tuesday night in Thousand Oaks, said the real estate market probably won’t recover completely until about 2023 and warned that only the most financially prepared should consider buying a home now in California. The state’s jobless rate is about 12.1 percent, and Orman thinks the rate is more like 20 percent to 25 percent. Eight of the 10 U.S. cities with the most foreclosures are in California, she said, adding that banks are not foreclosing on homes even when people have skipped payments for more than a year.”

“The banks ‘want to say they’re working through all of these foreclosures. They say inventory is getting less and less and the real estate market is starting to stabilize. Wrong, wrong, wrong. There are about 12 million homes out there that still need to be foreclosed on,’ she said.”

“Interest rates are staying low to get people to buy those homes, Orman said. A home that once sold for $1.5 million and is now going for $750,000 might seem like the buy of a lifetime. But if a neighbor loses his job and must sell fast, he’ll sell for less, making home values in the neighborhood fall further. A similar situation happened in a retirement area near Orman’s current home in Florida. Three years ago, condominiums there sold for about $150,000; now they sell for as little as $6,000, she said.”

“Orman, who also has written personal finance books, said people should be buying real estate today only if they have a secure job or income, can put 20 percent down, can qualify for at least a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage and can afford the property taxes, insurance and maintenance.”

The Inquisitr. “The former Calabasas, California rental home of pop star Britney Spears is being put up on the auction block this week. The Chateau Suenos sits on one acre of land and was decked out with $700,000 in lavish upgrades during Spears’ two year stay at the home. In April 2011 the homes owner Jose “Pancho” Leon attempted to list the property for $10.8 million but received no offers for the estate. The home will now go to auction with a starting bid of $4.499 million, 58% of the homes original asking price.”

‘Mr. Leon says the home is not in foreclosure: ‘I know that I’ll be selling at a loss but I want to move on.’”




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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 06:37:21

“The banks ‘want to say they’re working through all of these foreclosures. They say inventory is getting less and less and the real estate market is starting to stabilize. Wrong, wrong, wrong. There are about 12 million homes out there that still need to be foreclosed on,’ she said.”

With another 12 million homes for sale across the U.S., we could soon experience a true buyer’s market.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 06:39:09

“Orman, who also has written personal finance books, said people should be buying real estate today only if they have a secure job or income, can put 20 percent down, can qualify for at least a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage and can afford the property taxes, insurance and maintenance.”

Why would anyone in this position want to buy a home now, given the news that 12 million or so future foreclosures are in the pipeline? Her advice
lacks coherence.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-11 06:42:58

‘Why would anyone in this position want to buy a home now’

‘Anyone who doesn’t know that now is the time to buy will look back on this period of history and say, ‘Darn, I wish I could have gotten on board,’ said Tom Adams

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2011-10-11 09:11:51

Why anyone would listen to Orman is beyond comprehension. I remember seeing her on PBS when the mania started. She was advising people who to buy. I thought she was a fool then, and now that the market has collapsed, she is saying you shouldn’t buy unless you can afford to be indebted for 30 years.

I just bought a house in Pinellas County here in Florida. I am unemployed and have zero income. I paid cash from my savings. If I had listened to Orman, and all those other financial advisors, I would have no cash, a large mortgage and would be in foreclosure with the rest of the greedy pigs who thought “real estate” was the road to risk-less, high-leverage riches.
For nearly 7 years I was told I was missing a great opportunity to “get in” before the price got higher.
My, my, how times have changed.

Comment by CA renter
2011-10-12 02:37:48

Funny. It looks like quite a few long-time HBB’ers are buying right now.

Congratulations on your new house, Diogenes! :)

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 09:36:06

Why would anyone in this position want to buy a home now, given the news that 12 million or so future foreclosures are in the pipeline?

It will take 3 years to sort all this out.
Three years of rent offsets a lot of future price drops, especially if the foreclosures three years from now are trashed.

Comment by jbunniii
2011-10-11 16:23:39

Three years of rent vs. three years of interest and property tax, should be about a wash.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 10:07:23

“Her advice lacks coherence.”

I didn’t really mean to single out Suze; the vast majority of personal finance advice I read these days in the MSM is incoherent.

Comment by Montana
2011-10-11 12:43:40

They’re trying to predict and do CYA at the same time.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2011-10-11 11:30:10

they are selling homes in 93021 no problem

they are flipping home sin 93021 no problem

6725 Lafayette Ct Tract Code: Varsity Park Estates-374
Moorpark 93021

whats this housing recession you keep talking about?? not here

this has always been a tough place to live where does the money come from ??

its because of strict growth moratoriums on new homes

Comment by CA renter
2011-10-12 02:39:12

Lots of people with cash who are tired of the Fed’s interest rate manipulations…and are deciding to buy an “investment” they can live in, even if it does lose value in the future.

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-10-11 06:42:28

Looks like lots of borrowers are asking why only the rich and public employees with pensions get to socialize the losses after privitizing the gains (with bonuses and retroactive pension enhancements).

Who is left on the other side? The serfs, and younger generations.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-11 06:54:18

‘On Thursday, Freddie Mac announced that the rate on the 30-year fixed mortgage fell to 3.94 percent from 4.01 percent last week, the previous low…’Gudiel shouted. ‘I’m not going anywhere until Fannie Mae tells me why they won’t let me keep my home.’

Will we see people buying today out with signs in a couple of years saying they were taken advantage of by the ‘Banks’?

‘For five years, he poured almost all of his earning as a FedEx driver into his house payments, until he couldn’t afford it any longer. Two years ago, he sold his house, which had lost about half its original value of $400,000, for less than he owed on the mortgage - a practice known as a short sale. ‘I’m angry’ said Schwetz,’

How was a Fed Ex driver supposed to pay off a $400k house?

I think I know: he was gonna sell it, get rich and maybe make the buyers feed his squirrels.

Here’s a question for the populist protesters out there in CA: what about affordable housing?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-10-11 08:24:21

FedEx drivers are paid pretty well around here.

But yeah…….

 
Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-10-11 09:47:21

“what about affordable housing?”

What? You want LA to build some “projects?”

Comment by ahansen
2011-10-11 11:31:01

Affordable housing.

I think that’s the gist of the protests. Not government subsidized housing, but housing that is affordable; a society that is affordable and not so skewered in favor of the obscenely wealthy.

Obviously these folks are not looking for luxury or handouts, they’re willing to camp out on the streets in the rain to make their point: We want an equal opportunity– to pay our bills, to make a life, to have a family, to use our education to better ourselves and our country.

These are people willing and trained to work, to be responsible citizens– the kind of aspiring middle class who genuinely (and actively,) care about their democracy– and they’ve been effectively angled out of the game by a corrupted political economic system as exemplified by the Wall Street/DC/MIC connection.

When the corporate oligarchy is reformed, when ill-gotten resources are redistributed more fairly throughout society, when the cards are reshuffled and re-dealt (A new deal? Sounds catchy….) then affordable housing will follow.

This change will not be cataclysmic (I predicted several years ago that whomever won the 2008 presidential election would try to maintain the founding structure of this country by easing the collapse down as gradually as possible,) but it WILL come if we are not to end up with an aristocracy of Paris Hiltons, Kanye Wests and Jenna Bushs running what used to be a democratic republic….

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 12:16:15

Beeeeeuuuutillful orientation POV post Ms. Hansen, Beeeeeuuuutillful! :-)

“…When the corporate oligarchy is reformed, when ill-gotten resources are redistributed more fairly throughout society, when the cards are reshuffled and re-dealt (A new deal? Sounds catchy….) then affordable housing will follow.

;-)

 
Comment by CA renter
2011-10-12 02:41:15

Well stated, Ahansen.

 
 
 
Comment by ahansen
2011-10-11 11:09:21

‘I’m not going anywhere until Fannie Mae tells me why they won’t let me keep my home.’

Okay, hon, I’LL tell you. You don’t get to keep “your” home because you didn’t buy it. And the rest of us don’t want to pay for it for you.

Can you imagine driving a new Escalade off the lot and expecting the neighbors to pick up the tab for you when you stop making payments after a few months?

Oh. Well then….

 
Comment by cactus
2011-10-11 11:40:10

what about affordable housing?

most cities around here will choose fewer high value homes to be built verus more lower priced homes, the final dollar amount being the same to the city

people who own property would rather have higher priced home sdrive their home value up than dilute it like Phoenix did.

if you need essential services like teachers, fire, police whatever they build lower income homes for these folks.

its banker country here on the coast

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-11 13:25:00

I see protesters complaining about foreclosures, but what about the idea of houses being affordable, rent or otherwise? Since these protests are directed in part toward the govt, and the govt has various affordable housing programs that have not been successful, I’m asking where are the protest signs asking for a house that can be afforded with today’s incomes?

We sure don’t have that in Flagstaff. How about asking that the evil banks stop hoarding foreclosed houses? Surely that’s an issue too.

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Comment by ahansen
2011-10-11 16:36:54

Will be looking for you on the lines, Ben.
Sounds like a print job for Slim!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2011-10-11 07:14:03

Here’s the quote of the week…..

‘Forget about my fixed paycheck and go for the big money.’

But hey, no, he’s not greedy.

Comment by jane
2011-10-11 19:40:43

DennisN, totally agree.

FWIW, I just finished my first engineering course. OK, Ok - it was an overview course, big deal. But it is a morale boost that I aced it. So, at least for the first 10% of credit hours, I get reimbursed.

The part time program here contracts a semester into a quarter. They found that the quicker they crank ‘em out, the less likely they are to drop out. OTOH, there’s no mercy - you miss a step and you’re out, there’s just no way to recover. So I will say, conservatively, that the time commitment for that course was 30 hours a week, including class and lab, problem sets, mid term, final and (Ugh) the “team project”.

On the “team” thing, you risked being assigned to a group of brown nosing psychopaths. Thankfully my ‘team’ was 100% composed of hardened cynics. Our theme song was “Check the box and move on”, in contrast to “No Guts No Glory”. The Guts ‘n Glory crowd didn’t do any better than we did, we had fun asking them questions they couldn’t answer during their final presentations, and now the rest of us know who to avoid.

What has this to do with the housing bubble? I have decided to put off thinking about the matter until I have time to wash my face again. I DO lurk obsessively in the wee hours of the morning to admire the sparkling prose and expand my awareness with y’all’s astute commentary.

OK, I’m going to burrow back into my bookworm tunnel now.

 
 
Comment by salinasron
2011-10-11 08:00:40

” A few months after Schwetz purchased a home in Petaluma in 2004, his subprime mortgage payments doubled. For five years, he poured almost all of his earning as a FedEx driver into his house payments, until he couldn’t afford it any longer. He rented rooms to friends, but ‘it didn’t help much,’ he said.”

Am I missing something here? I don’t know of any loan that quote “doubled” a few months after purchasing. But let’s keep ‘victimology’ alive; can’t use that ‘responsibility’ word anymore.

Comment by Montana
2011-10-11 09:05:25

yes what is “a few months”? 12? 24? 36?

Oh well.

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2011-10-11 09:29:30

This person is the reason for the “housing bubble”. TEASER RATE mortgage loans. In some cases the 1% interest rate was good for 6 months. I saw loan offerings like that. So, it is possible that the rate could double six months after he bought and rate would steadily climb, or the net loss in payments would get back-loaded onto the loan.

No matter. People who bought with Adjustable rates with very low initial rates HAD TO KNOW that the payments would increase substantially. They all just wanted to “get in” and hopefully “unload” on some sucker before they got in trouble.

This fool didn’t get the property off-loaded and now blames everyone but himself for the collapse in prices that leave him NEGATIVE equity. When people like him are the very reason prices got out of line with incomes, and then began their natural decline back to “affordability”.
He obviously could not afford the house he “bought”. Now he is a victim. To me, he is the reason I had to sit out the housing market for 8 years until prices got back to reality.
Incidentally, Diogenes is still shopping. I am not afraid that prices will “fall further”. I am looking for what I consider reasonable value and long-term trends.
I am in no hurry, however. I agree that the market will remain suppressed for a long time. Depressions have a way of making prices collapse, but unless the Empire falls and the Western world collapses, too, I expect over the next decade that prices will be headed higher. That’s what Central Banks are made for. Keep prices rising. The FED is losing right now as de-leveraging is still on-going, but eventually, the FED will devalue the dollar even more than now.
Then, today’s prices will look cheap again.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-11 09:38:04

‘today’s prices will look cheap again.’

If you’re talking about CA, I’ll take that bet.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-10-11 10:04:57

New$ from “Thee O.C.!”

If you’re talking about CA, I’ll take that bet.

(Hwy smiles, places $5 chips next to Mr. Ben’s): ;-)

1,000 O.C. homes pulled off the market
October 11th, 2011, by Jon Lansner / OC Register

http://lansner.ocregister.com/2011/10/11/1000-o-c-homes-pulled-off-the-market/130873/

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 11:11:23

“1,000 O.C. homes pulled off the market”

Doesn’t pulling homes off the market have the effect of increasing market values — at least in the short run?

 
Comment by Eggman
2011-10-11 11:48:02

I would like to be kind of picky for a moment about the word ‘value’ vs the word ‘price’.

‘value’ comes from ‘evaluation’. A value is something that a person subjectively assigns. One person might value a house with certain characteristics where another person might not.

‘price’ is a function of value. when people value something relative to something else, the price of the valued item rises.

Thus, one should not speak of housing ‘values’, one should speak of housing ‘prices’. The term ‘housing values’ is effectively meaningless.

Little offense meant, but using the term ‘housing values’ or ‘housing valuations’ makes one sound like a Realtor. Heaven forbid.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 10:06:00

Which side: Would you bet today’s prices will look cheap again, or that further significant nominal declines are in the bag?

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Comment by cactus
2011-10-11 11:47:12

Which side: Would you bet today’s prices will look cheap again, or that further significant nominal declines are in the bag?”

when I lived in Phoenix I bet my boss Phoenix home prices would fall more as a percentage of price than costal CA prices which were double Phoenix at that time

Costal CA is now triple Phoenix and I expect the gap to widen. Workers live in Phoenix, bankers live in Costal CA

I live in unreality land don’t really like it and its certainly not fair but it is what it is.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-11 12:34:13

All that means is California has much further to fall. Same as metro NY. This notion that prices must move locked-step(either direction) geographically is false.

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-10-11 12:57:20

Ignoring inflation, Texas properties are still getting cheaper and cheaper as the pool of qualified buyers shrinks.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-11 13:29:41

‘Would you bet today’s prices will look cheap again, or that further significant nominal declines are in the bag?’

I’d bet we are in overshoot territory. CA got the GSE cap raised and that’s coming down. Will the GSEs even survive much longer? I would even go so far as saying we’ll never see these bubble prices again in our lifetimes.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 15:25:30

“This notion that prices must move locked-step(either direction) geographically is false.”

Agreed. I would argue instead in favor of a gradual inter-regional adjustment process where price declines in one area spill over into others, conversely to bubble price runups which resulted in liberated California equity driving up prices in Boise, Idaho and Bend, Oregon.

Imagine the plight of a new college graduate sitting on a big pile of student loan debt, faced with the choice of entry level positions in Coastal Cali, where ’starter homes’ start around $400K, even in the post-bubble era, or, say, Detroit, where $50K will get you a really nice starter home. Unless Mom and Dad have a few hundred thousand dollars lying around that they are willing to chip in as a down payment, your typical new grad will go for the job in the low-priced (affordable) housing market.

The cumulative effect of many such choices will reduce the gap between CA and Flyover Country home prices to a size which reflects relative preferences over different location choices. Right now, the gap is unsustainably wide.

 
Comment by cactus
2011-10-11 15:43:02

entry level positions in Coastal Cali, where ’starter homes’ start around $400K, even in the post-bubble era, or, say, Detroit, where $50K will get you a really nice starter home.”

I would say there are no good jobs in detroit and plenty of good jobs in expensive costal CA, at least in Engineering in SV

so you are poor either way

a place in the middle though like Phoenix or Colorado, Oregon, Texas yes I bet they will be competative esp. after the new grad gets some CA work experience and wants a family

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-10-11 15:55:36

esp. after the new grad gets some CA work experience and wants a family

Yeah, I wasn’t thinking about any of that stuff until I had the experience and the family. Before that all I thought about were salary and career goals…house prices were the furthest from my mind.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 17:40:29

“…no good jobs in detroit…”

Perhaps newly-degreed techies prefer affordable housing?

Last Updated: October 07. 2011 8:27AM
Michigan tops nation in new high-tech jobs
Its 2% gain in 2010 compares with 3.4% drop in US positions
Louis Aguilar and Melissa Burden/ The Detroit News

After eight years of decline, Michigan added technology jobs last year, gaining the most high-tech workers of any state, according a report released this week.

The state added 2,700 high-tech jobs between 2009 and 2010, a nearly 2 percent rise, the TechAmerica Foundation said in its annual Cyberstates report. That brings the total to 155,100 workers with a total payroll of $11.5 billion in 2010, according to the foundation, which is a nonprofit affiliate of the TechAmerica industry group.

Michigan’s increase ran counter to the nation, which experienced a decline of 115,800 jobs, or 3.4 percent, to 5.75 million technology workers last year. The state ranks 15th nationwide in total technology employment.

“The fact that Michigan added more tech jobs in 2010 than any other state may surprise people — including people within the state,” said Ed Longanecker, executive director and regional vice president of TechAmerica Midwest, in a statement. “But job gains in key sectors like software and research and development have helped the state recover from hard economic times.”

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-11 11:26:49

I’ll wager too. Step up.

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Comment by CA renter
2011-10-12 02:47:59

My chips are with Ben, too.

Even though we bought, we are under no illusion about where house prices are going. They are going down…quite possibly, for the rest of our lifetimes.

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2011-10-11 12:39:13

“…today’s prices will look cheap again.’

<>
Time frame 100 years. Maybe.

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Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 09:45:44

I’ve seen teasers for a little as two months. The lying realtors weren’t lying when they said they could get you “into” a house. Of course, you couldn’t stay there.

Meanwhile, absolutely nobody has been able to answer the Oxide question whenever an FB wants the bank to modify the mortgage: “Refinance into what?” Paying the below-interest payment until you move or die? Even Pres Obama’s 6% –> 4% Fannie Mae plan would save only $2000(?) a year. Is that really enough to save an FB?

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2011-10-11 10:28:17

This “management” of interest rates is killing the economy. The FED should be put to rest and Bernanke & Co. carted off to a prison on some far off island, preferably in a very cold climate.
Dreaming of “REFINANCING” to a LOWER interest rate, by some government program is just more government intervention, which has been a large part of the problems we are having.

In the MARKETPLACE, someone, somewhere needs to be willing to BUY a 30 year mortgage at 4% interest. Most investors won’t. 5% is pretty much a bottom in the history of mortgage rates. Would you tie up your money at 4% for 30 years?? I wouldn’t.

If you look at economic correlations compared with interest rates, you will see that as rates go down, the economy tracks along with a POOR performance. When rates start rising, the economy will begin to pick up. The FED and the “mainstream economists” have it all backwards.

Look what 20 years of government stimulus and ZERO interest rates have done for Japan. They have 2 lost decades. WE have lost one, and going into 2. Going backward for 20 years. Great. Trying to push rates down DISCOURAGES investment.
It does not “stimulate” it. Who wants to invest for NO return?
HOW LOW would you go before you decide to just sit on your cash??? 4%? for 30 years and the risk that the “owner” will trash the property and leave you stuck with a bad investment??
I wouldn’t take that bet except for short term ( 2 years), and a 50% equity position on current prices.

So, what do you get? FReddie and Fannie holding the loans they are supposed to sell into the market? More government bailouts? It’s just too ridiculous to even contemplate.

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Comment by CA renter
2011-10-12 02:49:59

Totally agree. The answer to our problems is HIGHER interest rates.

Low interest rates do spur “investing,” but the WRONG kind of investing — speculation.

 
 
 
Comment by aflurry
2011-10-11 09:55:44

While all of that is true, there will always be a huge portion of the population who, because of greed, weakness, peer pressure, lack of education, misunderstanding of how to value risk, or whatever, will take these gambles.

The mortgage is a two sided contract between the borrower and lender with the house as collateral. They both enter into the contract freely and are responsible for the counterparty risks. We should have broken the big banks into small enough pieces that they were no longer too big to fail, so that the rest of us didn’t get draggen into it.

Teh problem isn’t so much the cost of the bailout itself, which has been paid back, but the fact of the moral hazard the bailout provides. By not thinning the herd, we allow oour businesses to become diseased.

Efficiencies of scale that cause risk to be priced lower are not desirable. The pain of a bad investment in a healthy economy should be sharp, swift, non-externalized, and brief.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2011-10-11 10:37:25

Teh problem isn’t so much the cost of the bailout itself, which has been paid back, but the fact of the moral hazard the bailout provides………………
That’s one of the many lies of government media and the banksters, and the FED.
The FED gave the banks hundreds of BILLIONS of money, who then went out and bought treasury notes which paid them interest in the millions.
They EARNED money from the US GOVERNMENT. That is us.
They PAID US BACK with money they took from taxes and deficit spending.
This was the biggest financial robbery in the history of the world. They never “paid back” anything. This was all financial paper-shuffling, just like Bernanke taking the bad loans onto the FED balance sheet for 100% of face value. This is ILLEGAL.
The FED is authorized to pay GOVERNMENT Debt and BUY TREASURY Notes. Nothing else. They are not “authorized” to buy whatever they want to support their cronies in the Big Banks. They did, however, and NO ONE in government sought to stop them.

The press has reported that GM paid back it’s loans, too.
Yes, they did, with more borrowed bailout money.
You just can’t believe these lying reports from the “MAINSTREAM” Press.

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Comment by Montana
2011-10-11 13:09:02

Thank you for that succinct summary. All I can surmise is that the govt feared and still fears a horrible collapse. I see parallels in the Panic of 1907.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1907

Since it didn’t quite happen, I guess we’ll never know.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-10-11 16:57:24

The press has reported that GM paid back it’s loans, too.
Yes, they did, with more borrowed bailout money.

I did that a few times in grad school. They sent me transfer checks, so I paid off one credit card and started brand new debt on another credit card.

 
Comment by CA renter
2011-10-12 02:51:16

You’re on a roll, diogenes.

Bravo!

 
 
 
 
Comment by timmy
2011-10-11 13:28:34

Don’t buy sh!t that you don’t understand!!

This guy is a dumb azz fool… he deserves to lose his house.

Period.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2011-10-11 08:33:51

“I’m not going anywhere until Fannie Mae tells me why they won’t let me keep my home.”

My initial reaction was “because you’re not paying your mortgage”. But after reading the article, this woman is trying to pay her mortgage. She got behind and is trying to catch up but the bank refuses to accept her payments because she is in the process of seeking a modification and blames it on Fannie rules.

Expedite forclosure on the jingle mail crowd (who don’t want the house anyway) and the live-free-for-two-years crowd. This is the kind of person with whom the bank should try to work something out.

 
Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-10-11 09:42:38

Poor Realturds/security guards, life is not fair.

Comment by Steve J
2011-10-11 13:01:07

If he is guarding the properties he has listed, it just might workout!

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-10-11 11:06:03

For five years, he poured almost all of his earning as a FedEx driver into his house payments, until he couldn’t afford it any longer.

“Schwetz’s lender refused to renegotiate the borrowing terms. Two years ago, he sold his house, which had lost about half its original value of $400,000,

FedEx Drivers BUYING $800,000 houses…

Yep - that was a bubble

Comment by 2banana
2011-10-11 11:13:19

Oops - bad math alert

Comment by Jim A
2011-10-11 16:32:35

Either way, 400k is a Metric F@ckload of money, people!

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-10-11 11:08:03

“‘Enough is enough,’ Gudiel shouted. ‘I’m not going anywhere until Fannie Mae tells me why they won’t let me keep my home.’”

Cause you didn’t PAY THE MORTGAGE…

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-11 11:32:11

LOUDER and keep it simple.

YOU DEFAULTED. YOU NO LONGER OWN THE HOUSE.

Loud enough to drown out intentional obfuscation of this issue.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-11 11:24:43

‘I’m angry and I’m frustrated, and it’s really unfair what’s been done,’ said Schwetz,”

Hey @$$wipe….. I’m angry and frustrate that an entire raft of morons like you crowded me out of the market for 11 years and counting now. You wanted, now you got it… now you want to change the terms and get a free house? I’ll take that mofo down with an excavator before that ever happens.

 
Comment by ex-EagleKeeper
2011-10-11 20:02:57

I bought my house in Bakersfield exactly one year ago.
I paid about 60% less than it appraised for in 2007.
My mortgage payment is the same as the rent was on the house we rented.
I got a zero down, VA loan with a fixed 30 year mortgage.
This should be the only house I ever intend to buy.
The stars lined up and we got in.
I have read the HBB for about 4-5 years now. What I read here gave me the knowledge to make a better purchase.
Thanks, Ben!

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-11 23:09:08

“My mortgage payment is the same as the rent was on the house we rented.”

Score! You have the added advantage that your mortgage payment is locked in for 30 years, while rents are likely to go up at some point.

Congrats…

P.S. My wife and I were owners when we first moved to CA in the mid-1990s. The reason we didn’t rent was because we noticed the monthly payment on comparable housing was lower if you owned it. It sounds like you noticed something similar…

 
 
Comment by I am the 53%
2011-10-12 00:49:28

“‘Enough is enough,’ Gudiel shouted. ‘I’m not going anywhere until Fannie Mae tells me why they won’t let me keep my home.’”

– Because you didn’t pay the mortgage. You know, the loan they gave you to purchase the home. The loan which has a lien against the house for non-payment. The home was never yours. And it never will be.

 
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