October 14, 2011

It Looked Like A Smart Move

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Heather Anderson ruefully admits that she should have known better. A veteran of nearly two decades in the credit-union industry, she had spent her career warning would-be borrowers about the perils lurking in home-equity loans, bells-and-whistles mortgages, and the seductive fantasy that debt was interchangeable with wealth. But the housing boom was roaring ahead, and ‘I started to feel left out,’ Anderson recalled. So in 2005, she and her boyfriend bought a house in San Diego with a no-money-down, interest-only mortgage and a home-equity loan.”

“Less than a year after the couple moved in, they broke up. Unable to sell the house, even at a loss, and ground down by the strain of living with her ex, Anderson moved out, although she kept up her share of the mortgage payments. ‘I had to,’ she said. ‘My credit score was my safety.’ But her sacrifice was in vain. Her former boyfriend moved out as well, leaving no forwarding address for the mortgage company. Unable to persuade her lender to renegotiate, Anderson watched helplessly as the house slipped into foreclosure, dragging her credit score down with it.”

“When Sven Gustafson and his wife bought a home in the Oakland County community of Ferndale in 2005, it looked like a smart move. Property values had been rising steadily. But then came the Great Recession in 2007. Since then, Ferndale has seen its state equalized residential property values fall 36 percent. The Gustafsons experienced an even larger drop in the value of their home.”

“Gustafson said his mortgage is underwater ‘big time.’ He said it seems fruitless to keep making the monthly payments when he might never catch up. ‘It could be years before we recover the value of our home,’ he said. ‘You feel like you’re just giving money to the bank when you make your mortgage payment.’”

“Bob Baschoff used to work for a bank, commanding a corner office and a six-figure salary that allowed his family to enjoy a comfortable life in the wealthy lakefront village of Lake Bluff, Ill. All of that is gone now. Eight months after Baschoff arrived in Illinois in a move to the home office, the bank eliminated his position. He thought he would quickly find another job, but with the financial crisis reaching full boil, banks were shedding people, not hiring them.”

“Not even their New Jersey house, which they had rented out and was once estimated to be worth close to $300,000, could save them. Their tenants lost their jobs and stopped paying rent, and the Baschoffs couldn’t make the mortgage. The house went into foreclosure and was sold last year for $186,000, according to public records. ‘When I’m around the parents of my kids’ friends or teammates, every guy I look at, it’s like, ‘I wonder what he does? What does he make? Why can’t I do it?’ said Baschoff. ‘I feel so out of place. I feel like a misfit.’”

“Many residents throughout Hampton Roads are dealing with financial problems resulting from Chinese drywall contamination. Eric Bailey said the home in the Hollymeade subdivision in Newport News was his ‘dream home’ when he purchased it for more than $250,000 in 2006. Now, it’s in the process of a short sale. Bailey is selling his property for $80,000 to an investor, but his credit rating will still be damaged.”

“‘I had $80,000 of my own money invested in this home,’ said Bailey. ‘I don’t expect to get any of that money back.’”

“But Bailey’s situation is less dire than that of Juanita Smith, whose Hollymeade home was foreclosed upon this summer. She’s now $200,000 in debt, and the bank could seek to recover about $140,000, the difference between what she purchased the house for, and what it sold for at auction. She doesn’t know if the bank will try to recover the $140,000, but if it does, she said she would have difficulty making the payment. ‘All I know is, the train is coming,’ Smith said, worrying about having her wages garnished or other financial problems that could push her into bankruptcy. ‘I have hit rock bottom. My finances are ruined. I don’t think I’ll ever purchase a house again.’”

“In ZIP code 85032 in northeast Phoenix, prices dropped 57.7 percent from 2006. In 85027 in north Phoenix, the decline is 62.9 percent. In 85017 in central Phoenix, prices are down a staggering 81.3 percent. In other words, someone buying a house for $100,000 in 2006 can now resell it for $18,700. ‘You could have purchased a home in the late 1990s and now be underwater,’ according to Artur Ciesielski of the Phoenix Realty Group.”

“Boulder County is on track to have one of the largest percentage increases in foreclosures this year among a dozen Colorado counties surveyed by the state’s Division of Housing. Becky DeGrossa, a Boulder businesswoman who writes hardship letters to banks on behalf of families facing foreclosure, finds herself writing a new kind of letter, asking banks to lower payments on loans that have already been modified.”

“‘(Homeowners are) in a repayment period and they’re still not able to make that’ new payment, she said. ‘It’s really getting people.’”

“Individual homeowners purchased houses in new developments constructed by eight national home-builders between 2004 and 2006 — financed by the developers’ financing entities. In a subsequently filed class action lawsuit, the plaintiff-homeowners claimed the developers represented they were building ’stable, family neighborhoods occupied by owners of the homes’ and that they ‘discouraged speculation … and intended to sell homes only to people who will occupy them.’”

“And by marketing homes to high-risk buyers and financing those buyers, defendants created a ‘buying frenzy’ that artificially increased demand in home prices, even beyond the hot market at the time. According to the plaintiffs’ pleadings, the developers marketed the houses to ‘unqualified buyers who posed an abnormally high risk of foreclosure and sold homes to investors who had no intent to reside in homes and were more likely to walk away in times of economic hardship.’”

“Last week I met with clients who had purchased a home from a large subdivider in Reno. Their home is upside-down with a loan much higher than the present value of the home, yet the same developer continues to build new homes, further driving down prices. That developer owes a duty of good faith and fair dealing to its homebuyers. Building identical new homes in the same neighborhood where there are currently dozens of short sales and foreclosures is unconscionable.”

“There was a time when Jerry Howard and his lobbyists at the National Association of Home Builders would buttonhole lawmakers to ask for a favor or policy fix.Today, Howard and his remaining allies are asking for something new. ‘Shut up,’ Howard said, paraphrasing his message to lawmakers. ‘Stop saying we’re going to eliminate the mortgage interest deduction. Stop saying we’re going to require everyone to put 20 percent down on a house. Stop saying there’s no role for the federal government.’”

“The National Association of Realtors is undertaking its own grassroots effort with an eight-month bus tour across the U.S., part of its ‘Home Ownership Matters’ campaign to educate consumers about protecting the ‘American dream of homeownership.’”

“‘In Washington, the challenge is you have a lot of well- intentioned people who don’t understand the impact of decisions,’ said Ron Phipps, NAR’s president. ‘We’re better off with those well-intentioned people stepping back instead of coming up with solutions that have unintended consequences.’”

“Lila Wagner, a senior loan officer for Mortgage Associates in Ketchum, said the economic downturn has resulted in the best buyer’s real estate market in years. Wagner still processes 100 percent, 30-year fixed Rural Development loans based on income restrictions, as do other lending institutions.”

“Such loans have been criticized in the past for allowing unqualified buyers to buy homes with no money down, only to go into foreclosure several years later if the owners’ financial circumstances drop further. But Wagner said the loans are an ‘important factor’ in allowing interested buyers to buy homes, which in turn will help the market. ‘There is definitely more interest now,’ she said. ‘If you are a qualified buyer, that dream home you couldn’t afford a few years ago now might be in reach.’”

“For example, in 2004, a ‘charming log home’ with Baldy views in Ketchum was listed at $895,000—this, for a home described as having ‘great remodel possibilities.’ A similar property in the September 2011 guide, described as an ‘affordable home,’ is listed for less—$659,000—but that price may be more than many Blaine County residents would consider affordable, as incomes are still down nationwide. In Blaine County, adjusted per-capita income fell from $41,238 to $31,626 between 2000 and 2010, or 23 percent.”

“Michelle Griffith, executive director of the ARCH Community Housing Trust, contended that falling housing prices mean little to residents whose incomes are also falling due to the faltering economy. ‘That doesn’t make homes more affordable for our community,’ she said. ‘It just makes them less unaffordable.’”




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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-10-14 08:38:57

‘My credit score was my safety.’

And then it wasn’t. I think things will be better when people no longer think about it that way.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-14 09:23:35

Sad isn’t it? When your future depends on a credit score, you can be pretty sure you have a very dim future.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2011-10-14 09:59:45

Which brings up the question……Why bust your azz defending your credit score, at a time when taking on any kind of debt is risking financial suicide?

The basic reason people are willing to take on debt, is that they have the confidence that they will be able to pay it back. Kinda hard to have any confidence in that, when the average guy’s income is stagnant or going down, and costs of basic living are going up.

 
Comment by Ethan in Norfolk
2011-10-14 12:51:59

Yea, I scratch my head with the idea of constantly buying my credit score. It would be rewarding the same companies that cause the grief.

I try to think of ways to get people to turn against the CRAs.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-14 11:45:17

What do you want to bet her ex- has already purchased himself a new home somewhere across the country?

Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-10-14 12:41:21

Yeah, a foreclosure at 50% off.

 
 
Comment by SV guy
2011-10-15 09:04:16

“My credit score was my safety.”

When you look at ‘the game’ in its entirety you will see most paths lead to you, the serf, donating your plasma to a banker.

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-10-14 08:40:04

Boulder County is on track to have one of the largest percentage increases in foreclosures this year among a dozen Colorado counties surveyed by the state’s Division of Housing.

Sounds like the stronger hands are getting toward the end of their rope…

 
Comment by DennisN
2011-10-14 08:41:53

So in 2005, she and her boyfriend bought a house in San Diego with a no-money-down, interest-only mortgage and a home-equity loan.

… Her former boyfriend moved out as well, leaving no forwarding address for the mortgage company.

So what kind of bank thought a NINJA loan to an unmarried couple made any sense at all? This has more red flags than a USC football game.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-14 08:52:31

Thisis exactly why they put the dumbest air head chickpoos on the front line…..your question is Wayyyy over their heads.

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-10-14 18:52:53

Are you saying married couples might be a stronger relationship to lend money to?

That is soooooo last century.

 
 
Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-10-14 09:26:45

“Wagner still processes 100 percent, 30-year fixed Rural Development loans based on income restrictions, as do other lending institutions.”

“Such loans have been criticized in the past for allowing unqualified buyers to buy homes with no money down, only to go into foreclosure several years later if the owners’ financial circumstances drop further. But Wagner said the loans are an ‘important factor’ in allowing interested buyers to buy homes, which in turn will help the market.”

How does it “help the market” to make mortgages to unqualified buyers that eventually go into foreclosure?

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-14 10:04:05

Read the part about 63 year old that bought a house with zero down. Obviously there could be something here I am unaware of, but I have to wonder how she will pay this off at that age.

Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-10-14 12:58:47

Yes, hard to believe that she’ll be alive and kicking at payoff in 2041.

Ben, I went to a talk this week by Elizabeth Vale of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB).

(1) Remember how we’ve been asking how can these homeowners say they didn’t read the paperwork at closing? She said that nobody does, not even the banks. Sitting next to her was a former bank examiner who nodded in agreement.
(2) One of their directives is to supervise nonbanks (payday lenders, check-cashing, and mortgage lenders), which have never been supervised, but they have no idea how many there are, they think between 70,000 and 200,000. She said 80% of subprime loans were originated by nonbanks.

Comment by 2banana
2011-10-14 18:55:26

Remember how we’ve been asking how can these homeowners say they didn’t read the paperwork at closing? She said that nobody does, not even the banks. Sitting next to her was a former bank examiner who nodded in agreement.

I do. Every word.

Except I ask for all the paperwork about a week in advance. So when it comes time for the closing - it goes real quick as I have read it all.

And I would not be there if there was something wrong with the paperwork…

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Comment by snake charmer
2011-10-14 09:27:32

“‘In Washington, the challenge is you have a lot of well- intentioned people who don’t understand the impact of decisions,’ said Ron Phipps, NAR’s president. ‘We’re better off with those well-intentioned people stepping back instead of coming up with solutions that have unintended consequences.’”

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In other words, please keep on propping up real estate.

 
Comment by Montana
2011-10-14 09:47:45

That developer owes a duty of good faith and fair dealing to its homebuyers. Building identical new homes in the same neighborhood where there are currently dozens of short sales and foreclosures is unconscionable.”

So the lawyer is trying that old chestnut. ISTR “unconsionable” is a pretty high hurdle.

Good luck!

Comment by DennisN
2011-10-14 10:30:16

I think he’s going to get tripped up by proximate cause issues.

 
 
Comment by Erik
2011-10-14 10:43:24

Yup, debt is groovy on the upside of a bubble, but sure suks on the downside. The 20th. century delusion that exponential growth is a permanent thing led people to take leave of common sense. In the 19th.or 18th. centuries for the most part people (with a few exceptions) didn’t borrow money to build a house. If you purchased some land (cheap, but maybe with owner financing) or homesteaded some land you’d build something small and primitive you could afford. Then, if your fortunes improved you could add on, hence the often higgeltypiggelty architecture of old farmhouses. The debt based economy results in serfdom with people living in houses which they don’t really own; all they have is an option contract with the bank and one hell of an expensive option contract at that. Nobody with any sense would ever buy any of today’s housing if its value remained static, much less if it fell, because you still lose your shirt buying with static value. That’s why even with big discounts people are still shy. Who wants to get stuck with some place?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-14 11:46:31

‘You feel like you’re just giving money to the bank when you make your mortgage payment.’

How is this categorically better than ‘throwing money away’ on rent?

Comment by SV guy
2011-10-15 09:17:18

‘You feel like you’re just giving money to the bank when you make your mortgage payment.’

“How is this categorically better than ‘throwing money away’ on rent?”

Over the long term you have at least a chance to come out ahead by buying. Renting, as a long term strategy, guarantees a loss.

One can argue about property taxes, maintenance, being chained to it, blah,blah. I disagree if someone doesn’t think that those costs wont make their way to the rental price ultimately.

I would rather pay off a mortgage, which I did, than rent. I feel a sense of stability that way. Even if I don’t come out ahead in price appreciation I wont cast my future housing costs to the four winds.

And that’s what it’s really about for me and my family.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-14 11:50:02

“…someone buying a house for $100,000 in 2006 can now resell it for $18,700.”

Hot tip for novice real estate investors: A home in Central Phoenix selling for $18,700 might actually pencil out as an investment.

Comment by Dave
2011-10-14 15:03:26

Sweet! I can get a six-pack of houses in Phoenix for the money I stashed when selling an overpriced 1 bedroom condo in Garden Grove 7 years ago.

295,000. It was 800 damn square feet in the Vietnamese ghetto and it sold for 3 hundred grand.

I ran SO fast.

Comment by Dave
2011-10-14 15:11:59

Wow…..it sold again 2 months ago for slightly less.

Wonder if the guy that bought it from me is at one of the Occupy protests talking about how unfair life is.

http://www.redfin.com/CA/Garden-Grove/13801-Shirley-St-92843/unit-44/home/5459762

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-14 16:49:42

The proud owner of 6 ghetto houses instead of 1.

Comment by Dave
2011-10-15 00:06:55

Paid 110, so they got a ways to drop. Got itchy feet there for a while, so came back here to get settled down some. Maybe I’ll luck out and get the 10pack when it goes on sale.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-14 11:52:00

“And by marketing homes to high-risk buyers and financing those buyers, defendants created a ‘buying frenzy’ that artificially increased demand in home prices, even beyond the hot market at the time. According to the plaintiffs’ pleadings, the developers marketed the houses to ‘unqualified buyers who posed an abnormally high risk of foreclosure and sold homes to investors who had no intent to reside in homes and were more likely to walk away in times of economic hardship.’”

In retrospect, HBB posters were 100% correct in our real-time assessment of the developing housing mania.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-14 11:54:23

“‘Shut up,’ Howard said, paraphrasing his message to lawmakers. ‘Stop saying we’re going to eliminate the mortgage interest deduction. Stop saying we’re going to require everyone to put 20 percent down on a house. Stop saying there’s no role for the federal government.’”

How does this overt pandering for continued housing industry subsidies square up with the ‘government is evil and wasteful’ meme?

Comment by ragerunner
2011-10-14 13:02:17

I recently attended a conference on housing, etc. and the tone from many of the national presenters was, that the mortgage interest deduction had a high chance of getting the axe.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-14 23:29:24

Developments
Real estate news and analysis from The Wall Street Journal

October 6, 2011, 4:10 PM ET

Want To Save $215 Billion? Eliminate the Mortgage Deduction
By Alan Zibel

Senate lawmakers said Thursday they want to be cautious about scaling back or eliminating the popular home mortgage-interest deduction to avoid further upsetting the troubled housing market.

The U.S. tax code provides generous subsidies to housing, including deductions for home mortgage interest, property taxes and an exclusion from all or part of capital gains taxes on many sales. Many academics favor eliminating or at least scaling back many of these subsidies, particularly the mortgage-interest deduction.

They argue that these tax incentives are expensive, provide an unhealthy subsidy to the housing sector, unfairly benefit the wealthy and fed the housing boom of the last decade. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that gradually eliminating the mortgage-interest deduction would save about $215 billion by 2021.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-14 11:56:38

‘We’re better off with those well-intentioned people stepping back instead of coming up with solutions that have unintended consequences.’

Such as forcing low-to-middle income renters to subsidize wealthy homeowners’ million dollar home purchases, for instance?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-14 11:58:57

“$659,000—but that price may be more than many Blaine County residents would consider affordable, as incomes are still down nationwide. In Blaine County, adjusted per-capita income fell from $41,238 to $31,626 between 2000 and 2010, or 23 percent.”

$659,000/$31,626 = 20.8 X per-capita income on 100% LTV financing — perish the thought!

Comment by DennisN
2011-10-14 12:12:10

I’d be careful of any statistical average data from Blaine County - home to Sun Valley and Ketchum. There are a lot of super-millionaires there - Arnold Schwartzenegger, John Kerry, Bruce Willis - and a lot of hardscrabble working poor.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-14 12:51:25

You offer good advice for the writer of this article; my example was merely intended to show the absurdity of the juxtaposition of figures included in the discussion.

 
Comment by DennisN
2011-10-14 13:49:05

I don’t even know if the income from Arnold/Kerry et al is included in the local per capita income. Are they residents just because they own large estates? The county has reported 21,000 “residents” by the last census (2010).

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-14 23:35:13

This is a nice example of where the median income statistic beats the mean as a measure of central tendency. The median would be barely effected by whether Arnold and Kerry were included in the data; by contrast, the mean could be measurably impacted at, say, the County Level, by the addition of a couple of multimillionaires to the distribution.

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Comment by Tom Aikins
2011-10-14 20:04:34

These are some scary stories but the scariest thing of all was the statistic about the average salary in that one county going down 23% in the last 10 years. If that is happening in other places as well — and it probably is to some extent — then pulling the housing industry out of the hole it’s now in is going to be even harder than it seems.

 
Comment by californiagringo
2011-10-16 12:16:35

Are those 18k houses in PHX in the hood? Some of them look to be fortified with security doors and bars on all windows. Yikes!

 
Comment by Andy Bulles
2011-10-18 04:20:47

Credit Scores… YUCK!

The FICO score was invented by the financial industry not to determine “financial strength” but to assimulate the “sheep/lemmings” to the banker’s view of how to corral the masses into the mold of their enslavement. I cry everytime I see a television ad for one of those “techy” credit score monitoring companies… people actually paying their banker masters for their systematic slavery. And, to think that at one time not so long ago we were a country of FREE people who had to learn Latin, Civics, Government & Ethics in our high schools — Oh my, how far our American Freedom Experiment has fallen and failed!

As for me, I’m still a FREE MAN… NO DEBT, Savings in Silver, Gold & Cash and I’m looking to pay CASH for a house in two years! BE FREE, LIVE FREELY, determine your own path and live without Bankers!

 
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