October 18, 2011

The Crash Shut Off The Lights At This Party

The Green Bay Press Gazette reports from Wisconsin. “Craig Haskins remembers when the lobbies of Knight Barry Title Group bustled with homebuyers and sellers optimistically waiting to finalize a new chapter in their lives. That was before 2008 — when the housing bubble burst and sent the real estate world and eventually the overall economy into a tailspin. ‘I used to walk into the office and there’d be people sitting in our lobby waiting to use our conference room to buy a house. We don’t have too much of that anymore. I don’t think people have used some of our lobbies for a while now,’ said Haskins, an executive VP of the company.”

“After a respite in late 2010 and early this year, foreclosures again are surging, and real estate experts don’t expect the numbers to improve in coming months. A telling statistic about the housing market is in the growth of Knight Barry. With the glut of foreclosures, many banks need analysis of titles to homes with underwater mortgages. Many have turned to Knight Barry to fill this growing niche. In 2010, the company performed 10,000 of these title analysis reports. It performed 50 in 2006. ‘I’m not trying to be funny, but you would think we’re almost running out of people to foreclose,’ he said.”

From Bridge Michigan. “Michigan home- and business owners have lost an astounding $180 billion from the value of their properties over the past four years. Adjusted for inflation, property values have plunged 27 percent since 2007. In other words, Michigan homeowners and businesses have lost about $1 in every $4 of property value they once possessed. The $180 billion loss in value is an amount five times larger than General Motors’ market capitalization.”

“Booming home prices and the easy availability of home equity loans in Michigan once allowed big-spending homeowners to use their property as virtual ATM machines. They pulled out hundreds of millions of dollars in equity to buy cars, big screen televisions and other purchases that kept the economy humming. Not anymore. The crash in the value of Michigan’s homes and other property shut off the lights at this party.”

“Kelly Sweeney, CEO of Coldwell Banker Weir Manuel, said the number of sales and prices of owner-occupied homes in Oakland County has started to rise as Michigan has added about 70,000 jobs this year. But bank-owned foreclosures are offsetting those gains. He said about 50 percent of homes for sale in the county are owned by banks or government-owned lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. How the government acts to dispose of those properties will determine how quickly residential values will recover, Sweeney added. ‘Everybody’s worried about Freddie and Fannie,’ he said.”

The Star Tribune in Minnesota. “Home buyers can no longer assume that it’s easy to buy a cheap house in a good location. New local listings are down 17 percent in the Twin Cities over the past year, as would-be sellers are holding on to their homes until the market improves. Barb Duthler, a sales agent with Re/Max Results in Minneapolis, said the primary problem in the market is that prospective sellers aren’t listing because they owe more than the house is worth. This points to deeper trouble in the market, said Jeanne Boeh, an economics professor at Augsburg College. ‘The average person who doesn’t have to sell is looking at it this way: ‘If I don’t have to sell why would I?’”

“Wayne Hartmann and his wife never thought they’d have trouble finding a decent house in the western suburbs for $500,000, but about a quarter of all the houses they saw were foreclosures or short sales in terrible condition. They eventually made an offer on a short sale in December. The homeowner agreed to the deal, but it fell apart after never getting a response from the lender. Not wanting to risk losing out on record low mortgage rates, they ended up spending about $200,000 more than they planned to get the house they wanted.”

“The good news: Hartmann got the lowest rate he’s ever had. ‘I almost can’t believe it,’ said Hartmann. ‘But it is a frustrating market from a buyer’s perspective to wade through all of the turmoil that’s out there.’”

Minnesota Public Radio. “A new report on the housing crisis shows foreclosures have disproportionately affected low income and poor communities in St. Paul. The neighborhoods of Dayton’s Bluff and Payne Phalen on the east side, and Thomas Dale — also known as Frogtown — saw home values drop about 50 percent since 2006. That’s almost double the drop in the more affluent Mac-Groveland, Highland and St Anthony Park neighborhoods.”

“Kate Hess Pace, ISAIAH organizer said low-income and minority neighborhoods were more likely to be targeted for risky subprime mortgages, and the instances of foreclosure was more severe in these communities. ‘It’s actually been widening disparities between people of color and whites in terms of how it’s impacted neighborhoods, home value, the amount of vacant homes and generational wealth,’ Pace said.”

“‘We’ve got vacant houses that are sitting there. They’ve got the city placard on the front door so folks know that it’s vacant. They are being vandalized,’ said Jill Henricksen, director of the Greater Frogtown Community Development Corporation. ‘They are being broken into. Garbage is being dumped. We are seeing an increase in prostitution. We are seeing an increase in theft. All kinds of things around these properties.’”

“Many remaining homeowners in the neighborhood owe more on their homes than the homes are worth on the market.”

The News Leader in Missouri. “Phyllis Ferguson has a home in Woodland Heights, owns rental property and is an advocate for her northside neighborhood. In a 1.763-square-mile area that has nearly 51 percent ‘absentee owner-owned’ houses, her biggest concern is the condition of much of that rental property. She is also seeing more vacant houses, some through foreclosure but others the result of a depressed market.”

“‘I think we are seeing more houses available for rent, and that can impact if the landlords aren’t able to keep their houses rented,’ she said. ‘If their income is not as great, they’re not able to keep them up.’”

From Cincinnati.com. “An estimated 2,500 struggling homeowners in Greater Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky have received rewritten mortgages this year to avoid foreclosure. Nine out of 10 of them ended up owing more than when they started. Rather than reduce the principal amount owed and waive penalties, lenders are bundling everything due together and then extending payments, new government data shows. Most homeowners get a smaller monthly mortgage bill - but a new loan that might stretch out for a once-unheard-of 40 years. A few end up with bigger monthly payments, too.”

“‘I don’t believe there’s any way around it - the housing market keeps getting worse, and we’ll continue to see it get worse,’ says Sister Barbara Busch, executive director of South Cumminsville-based regional housing advocate Working In Neighborhoods.”

The fight against foreclosures continues to muddle and underwhelm: Only 310,000 American households received a mortgage modification in the first six months of this year, while nearly double that number fell into foreclosure, the new data from the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency shows. Also discouraging: One of every seven homeowners with a rewritten mortgage fails to make at least two payments in the first six months.”

“Housing advocates say lenders need to do more. ‘Principal reduction is something that would work, but banks don’t want to hear it - it’s really taboo,’ says Marilyn Evans, a board member of South Cumminsville-based Communities United for Action. ‘They figure they’ll lose money on it, but they lose money on a house if it goes into foreclosure.’”

“Lenders say hard choices are ahead. ‘Banks are trying very hard to help people, but if someone can’t afford to stay in their home it doesn’t do anyone a favor by delaying the inevitable,’ says Steve Wilson, CEO of Lebanon-based LCNB National Bank and chairman of the American Bankers Association.”

“Even if lenders would consider giving up principal, their hands might be tied. Since many banks resell their mortgages and only retain servicing rights, they may not have the authority to take such action. For instance, mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac own more than 60 percent of all U.S. home loans, and they forbid principal reduction as a workout option.”

“The Federal Housing Finance Agency, which put Fannie and Freddie into a conservatorship in 2008, indicates it can’t afford to let modifications be more generous without outside funding. It notes that taxpayers already have injected $169 billion to prop up the housing giants.”

“Shaun Bond, director of the University of Cincinnati Real Estate Center, acknowledges that homeowners’ struggles with foreclosures and sagging prices have stalled the nation’s recovery. But lenders and regulators are properly hesitant to embrace broader debt forgiveness for fear of encouraging bad loans and irresponsible borrowing, Bond says. The cost of debt forgiveness ultimately would be passed along to taxpayers and consumers, he says.”

“‘If people feel they can renege on the original debt agreement, they would be tempted to borrow more than prudent. The moral hazard is a very real concern,’ he says.”

‘But Alan White, a law professor specializing in real estate and financial services regulation at Valparaiso University in Indiana, says banks risk a continuing crisis and steeper losses by not writing off more bad debt. ‘Unless you address the underwater homeowner, you’re just kicking the can down the road,’ White says.”




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Comment by 2banana
2011-10-18 08:16:12

“Booming home prices and the easy availability of home equity loans in Michigan once allowed big-spending homeowners to use their property as virtual ATM machines. They pulled out hundreds of millions of dollars in equity to buy cars, big screen televisions and other purchases that kept the economy humming.

And we are supposed to feel sorry for them and bail them out…

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-10-18 08:20:15

‘The average person who doesn’t have to sell is looking at it this way: ‘If I don’t have to sell why would I?’”

?? The average person DOES NOT SAY THIS. Just like today I didn’t say “If If I don’t have to sell (my car)why would I?” - Because I AM USING IT RIGHT NOW and don’t need a new one.

But Flippers do.

Those who sucked out the equity do.

Etc.

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-10-18 08:22:52

“Kate Hess Pace, ISAIAH organizer said low-income and minority neighborhoods were more likely to be targeted for risky subprime mortgages, and the instances of foreclosure was more severe in these communities. ‘It’s actually been widening disparities between people of color and whites in terms of how it’s impacted neighborhoods, home value, the amount of vacant homes and generational wealth,’ Pace said.”

The race card comes out again.

They forced us to take the money and I didn’t read the contract.

But I still took the money.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-18 09:13:25

I’ll still say 90% of the people were targeted because oh gosh Susan we got a dumb mark here, let get our commish!

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-10-18 09:37:59

‘It’s actually been widening disparities between people of color and whites in terms of how it’s impacted neighborhoods, home value, the amount of vacant homes and generational wealth,’

The race card comes out again. 2bananna

2bananna, But how does “playing the race card “negate the truth of the above sentence?

If they are playing the race card does it automatically then mean that..

‘It’s actually NOT been widening disparities between people of color and whites in terms of how it’s impacted neighborhoods, home value, the amount of vacant homes and generational wealth,’.?

Is that how it works 2bananna?

So like if a historian says that blacks were enslaved because they were black, does that mean that the historian is playing the race card? And because he is playing the race card, that means that blacks were not enslaved?

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-18 12:00:16

Rio”:

Strange how they Never compare race with being married for 20-30-40+ years Lets compare generational wealth between couples that vow, til death do us part, and then see how the numbers add up.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-10-18 13:18:34

Lets compare generational wealth between couples that vow, til death do us part, and then see how the numbers add up.

I think we know how the numbers would add up. The married couples would have more wealth than the non-married couples and the minority married couples would have way less wealth than the white couples.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-18 13:46:33

I really don’t think so, It’s culture not race, how they spend their money, saving it or spending it on their 5 kids? But then who has the guts to really do a serious study? We have to Compare equals.

Just like housing comps….you would include foreclosures and others would not, so who has the more accurate price???

and the minority married couples would have way less wealth than the white couples.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-10-18 08:26:40

Nine out of 10 of them ended up owing more than when they started. Rather than reduce the principal amount owed and waive penalties, lenders are bundling everything due together and then extending payments, new government data shows. Most homeowners get a smaller monthly mortgage bill - but a new loan that might stretch out for a once-unheard-of 40 years. A few end up with bigger monthly payments, too.”

Did these people really think the banks where just going to say “That is ok - even though you signed a contract and took our money you can just owe us less and, as a bonus, we will waive all penalties.”

Here - let me try that with my taxes. Nope - didn’t work.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-18 08:37:14

‘even though you signed a contract and took our money you can just owe us less’

This is what I’ve tried to point out about the S&P downgrade of US debt. The media/govt/public reacted pretty negatively, yet there are constant calls for debt of all sorts to be forgiven. Is it really that big a leap to make, from saying ‘I want out of my student loan’…’I want my mortgage reduced’ to:

‘I ain’t paying back those Chinese communists who hold US Treasuries.’

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-10-18 10:00:34

40 year mortgages…Yikes!

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-18 08:30:02

‘Alan White, a law professor specializing in real estate and financial services regulation at Valparaiso University in Indiana, says banks risk a continuing crisis and steeper losses by not writing off more bad debt’

There’s all kinds of problems with the never ending call to reduce amounts owed, but here’s some things that don’t get mentioned. This isn’t going to happen in a vacuum. If the people at 101 Nice Street get a lower loan, what then do the people at 201 Nice Street expect?

Another aspect to the thinking that modifying loan balances will fix the economy is that once it’s done, prices will stop falling. But that’s ignoring the housing bubble. You can draw the line in the sand over and over again, but prices are gonna fall until equilibrium is found.

‘Shaun Bond…acknowledges that homeowners’ struggles with foreclosures and sagging prices have stalled the nation’s recovery’

I would suggest that people paying too much for their house is hurting the recovery, as is throwing money away trying to keep house prices higher.

Jobs anyone? We might try living in the post-bubble economic reality, instead of pretending we can turn back the clock.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-18 09:06:31

You mean post-Housing Fraud economy.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-18 09:17:58

Ben:

Its no different then Ebay…start with a higher price, see if you get lookers and watchers.. then lower it everyday till it sells…works for me

You can draw the line in the sand over and over again, but prices are gonna fall until equilibrium is found.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-18 23:04:42

“…start with a higher price, see if you get lookers and watchers.. then lower it everyday till it sells…”

You just described a sale by Dutch auction, which is a logical approach for a market where prices have dropped and buyers are scarce.

 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-18 09:26:07

I just talk to a retired co-worker last weekend. He’s in Wisconsin where his mother is slowly dying. He and his brother are working to liquidate moms assets and both concurred that “there are no buyers at these asking prices and ‘we’re going to do some price slashing to get rid of her place’”. He made it a point to tell me that the two Iying reaItors that they’ve contacted are “nothing but low-life scumbags who need a real job because they’re not selling any houses”.

So it seems prices are grossly inflated in WI too. And WI realtors are liars. Just like everywhere else.

Comment by Vinceinwaukesha
2011-10-18 16:44:25

We have the HGTV network to spread the disease, just like wherever you are…

 
 
Comment by CincyDad
2011-10-18 09:43:03

Cincinnati folk’s take on things….

“‘I don’t believe there’s any way around it - the housing market keeps getting worse, and we’ll continue to see it get worse,’ says Sister Barbara Busch,

‘Banks are trying very hard to help people, but if someone can’t afford to stay in their home it doesn’t do anyone a favor by delaying the inevitable,’ says Steve Wilson, CEO of Lebanon-based LCNB National Bank and chairman of the American Bankers Association.”

(LCNB is located in the Cincinnati exurb where I live)

“But lenders and regulators are properly hesitant to embrace broader debt forgiveness for fear of encouraging bad loans and irresponsible borrowing, Bond says. The cost of debt forgiveness ultimately would be passed along to taxpayers and consumers, he says.”

Sounds like they all got pretty realistic picture of things. You hear there are problems, but you don’t read about ‘wishing prices’ and a ‘waiting for a return to the boom years’.

 
Comment by DennisN
2011-10-18 11:33:34

Not wanting to risk losing out on record low mortgage rates, they ended up spending about $200,000 more than they planned to get the house they wanted.

This doesn’t make any sense to me.

Does it make sense to anyone else here?

Comment by Natalie
2011-10-18 11:43:03

Yes. They decided to take their Realtor’s advice.

 
Comment by DennisN
2011-10-18 11:46:52

Say they were afraid that rates would rise from 4% to 5%.

They bought a $700K house rather than a $500K house.

The 4% on the $700K house is $28K per year interest.
The 5% on the $500K house is $25K per year interest.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-18 12:00:37

‘The good news: Hartmann got the lowest rate he’s ever had.

‘I almost can’t believe it’

 
Comment by Natalie
2011-10-18 12:33:13

Unfortunately one is not given such options, and they probably believed that the price would stay the same with interest rates rising. Such beliefs may prove true in an expanding economy and/or shinking inventory environment. I’m not saying we are in such a situation, but simply saying they may have rightly or wrongly believed we were.

 
Comment by rms
2011-10-18 21:24:46

“Say they were afraid that rates would rise from 4% to 5%.
They bought a $700K house rather than a $500K house.”

The folly of such an exercise should be obvious to even the dullest among us. Cast iron debtor’s prisons should be built near a foggy northern coastline to teach these peeps a lesson in financial mathematics.

 
 
 
Comment by Steve W
2011-10-18 12:18:20

Wow.

Fill in the blank: A _____ and his money are soon parted

 
Comment by Patrick
2011-10-18 16:26:31

“Lenders say hard choices are ahead. ‘Banks are trying very hard to help people, but if someone can’t afford to stay in their home it doesn’t do anyone a favor by delaying the inevitable,’ says Steve Wilson, CEO of Lebanon-based LCNB National Bank and chairman of the American Bankers Association.”

I wonder if this yahoo realizes he is talking about his shadow inventory. Wake up buddy - practise what you preach.

 
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