October 20, 2011

Beyond A Normal Even In A ‘New Normal’

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports from Pennsylvania. “During the boom years, market observers said, too many buyers saw their houses as investments rather than shelter, and believed that whatever they paid would be returned, and then some. Now, everyone wants a bargain, and many sellers won’t budge on price. The more open-minded ‘will listen to the marketing plan, bite the bullet and move forward,’ said Noelle Barbone, who manages the Weichert Realtors office in Media.”

“Without a doubt, this is the biggest housing bust since the 1930s, said Joel L. Naroff, of Naroff Economic Advisers in Holland, Bucks County. ‘Housing starts are at their lowest levels since 1959 and have remained there well beyond what would be considered a normal even in a ‘new normal’ environment - typically, home construction picks up early in the recovery,’ Naroff said. ‘This is also the largest price decline in 50 years.’”

The Pittsburg Post Gazette. “Jayson Schott, in a complaint filed in U.S. District Court, said he got a $97,500 adjustable rate mortgage from America’s Wholesale Lender in 2004. The rate went up, and he went into default. Bank of America, which bought America’s Wholesale Lender, filed for foreclosure in 2008. In the meantime, though, Mr. Schott’s mortgage was ’securitized’ into an investment vehicle called a Real Estate Mortgage Investment Conduit, by which it was converted into a tax-exempt investment. Thousands of shareholders bought stakes in the REMIC, according to the lawsuit by Durham, N.C., attorney Luke Lucas.”

“The mortgage thus became a stock, Mr. Lucas wrote. Because mortgages and stocks are entirely separate under U.S. law, it ceased to become a loan secured by a house, according to the lawsuit. When it went into default, the investors got a tax credit from the IRS, further nixing the note, according to Mr. Lucas’ thinking. ‘You can’t make oranges out of orange juice, and once the note is securitized, it is orange juice,’ Mr. Lucas said in a phone interview.”

“Mr. Lucas said he has filed several dozen similar lawsuits nationally, though this is the first in Western Pennsylvania.”

The News Journal in Delaware. “New Castle County Council is deliberating whether to rezone the Barley Mill Plaza office park with a hammer over its head. Stoltz Real Estate Partners has repeatedly threatened to build a 2.8 million-square-foot mixed-use development as big as the King of Prussia Mall if the smaller plan that is now before council isn’t approved. The original plan includes 700 residential units in nine-story-tall condominium towers.”

“Some council members and residents say the bigger plan is a ruse. Historically, the Wilmington area has been a challenging market for large-scale condominium projects. One of the initial developers of the Brandywine Park Condominiums said getting the buying public in Wilmington to try condo living was like getting ‘children to eat fruitcake.’”

The Gazette in Maryland. “Maryland’s only ski resort has fallen victim to the collapse of the real estate market, as its owners filed for bankruptcy on Saturday after defaulting on a $23.5 million loan. The vacation home market in Garrett County has been off significantly for the past few years, said Patrick Kane, co-owner of Coldwell Banker Deep Creek Realty in McHenry. He said the middle-range market, with homes priced from $300,000 to $800,000, has taken a particular hit.”

“Karen F. Myers, an executive with Wisp Resort Development, wrote in an affidavit with the filing, ‘Like most in real estate development, [our companies] suffered losses as the decline in the market continued.’”

“Myers is a prominent businesswoman in the state; last year, the Maryland Chamber of Commerce inducted her into its Business Hall of Fame.”

The Free Lance Star in Virginia. “Brian Whetzel, manager of the C&F Mortgage branch in Fredericksburg, and his assistant, Tracy Bray, were the guests this week on Money Talk$, the online chat, and said they were surprised by how many were from people upside down on their mortgages who wanted to know if they could refinance their loans. A sampling of some of the questions and answers follows:”

“I have excellent credit and have never made a late payment. I have about $206,000 owed on a 6.25 percent conventional 30-year loan with an $18,000 second at 7.25 percent, 15-year conventional. I paid $265,000 in 2005 and my current appraised value is about $200,000 even after I built a 300-square-foot addition and a 24-by-32 detached garage. I put 20 percent down when I bought to avoid mortgage insurance.”

“I want to refi to cash in on the super-low rates but can’t because of loan-to-value issues. The bank doesn’t seem to mind me paying on an upside-down loan currently!!”

“Helping me get a more affordable payment would ensure that they continue to get paid. But perhaps they would rather foreclose on a well-maintained home since they have already made $80,000 off of me in interest. OK, so I’m done venting. Do you have any ideas and or suggestions?”

The Virginia Gazette. “Mary K. Jones is running for re-election in Berkeley District for the James City Board of Supervisors. Gazette publisher Bill O’Donovan interviewed her Oct. 3. Q: Let’s clear up your residency, once and for all. Do you live in Berkeley District? A: Yes. Q: Are you paying a mortgage? A: I still live in the same house that I lived in when I was elected.”

“Q: We understand that you’re suing your mortgage company to stall foreclosure. No? A: I still live in the same house I lived in when I was elected to the Board of Supervisors.”

Public News Service. “Foreclosures and vacant properties bring down real estate values in neighborhoods - and numbers from 2010 indicate there are more than 308,000 vacant housing units in The Commonwealth. According to a new report from Housing Opportunities Made Equal of Virginia (HOME), the state’s highest foreclosure rates are in urban areas, mainly from Hampton Roads through Richmond to Northern Virginia.”

“However, it is the rural areas that have the highest vacancy rates, says report coauthor Ali Faruk, director of the Center for Housing Leadership. ‘Those areas were losing jobs, losing population, and that area’s been hard-hit by commercial vacancies as well as residential vacancies, even before the start of the great recession. And then, once the housing crisis hit and the recession started, it got even worse.’”

“In terms of median home prices, the report says Northern Virginia has experienced the most significant decreases. In general, home sales have begun to stabilize, although Faruk adds they are nowhere near what they were before the housing collapse.”

The Virginian Pilot. “Condos in Westin Virginia Beach Town Center Residences, the tallest building in Virginia, sold strongly after it opened in 2007. By March 2009, the developer had sold 88 of the building’s 120 units. Since then, sales have stagnated, with just eight more units selling in the past two years. Armada Hoffler, the 38-story tower’s developer, has hired an auctioneer to sell 16 of the 24 unsold condos at the Westin residences in a bid to stir up interest and find buyers.”

“‘We’re under absolutely no pressure to sell units,’ said Lou Haddad, Armada Hoffler’s president and CEO. Upscale condos like those at the Westin have been hit hard in the real estate decline, Haddad said. ‘In this high-end condo market, people don’t really know what the fair market value really is,’ he said. ‘So that leads to inertia.’”

“The most recent asking prices for the 16 units range from $258,400 for a 750-square-foot, one-bedroom condo to $1.7 million for a 2,739-square-foot penthouse. Starting bids for those units will range from $140,000 to $795,000. Starting bids are set for roughly half of the most recent asking price, said Jon Gollinger, CEO of the Boston-based auction firm. Unlike some fire-sale auctions where a winning bidder must still negotiate a final price with the seller, he said the published minimums will be honored. ‘If someone buys at these minimums, it’s a one-in-a-lifetime value,’ Gollinger said. ‘It’s ridiculously below replacement cost.’”

“Stanley Waranch paid a little over $1 million in 2008 for his 32nd floor condo at the Westin. Waranch, a retired homebuilder and developer in his 80s, said he doesn’t blame the developer for wanting to “dump” the remaining units. ‘They’re interested in getting their money out of it,’ Waranch said. ‘I bought it at the top of the market, and I would hate to see the values go down. On the same token, Armada Hoffler is under no obligation to keep holding them.’”

“Haddad, who also owns a unit in the building, said the decline in values already has happened. ‘My home value recently appraised 60 percent of its value two years ago,’ he said. ‘Last time I checked, it was the same house. I don’t think anything is happening there that isn’t in every part of real estate.’”




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34 Comments »

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-20 06:22:45

‘This is also the largest price decline in 50 years.’

Just imagine how bad it would be without top-down price fixing!

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-20 06:26:54

‘We’re under absolutely no pressure to sell units,’

Sounds as thought they are not going to just give it away.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-20 06:39:34

“Mr. Schott’s mortgage was ’securitized’ into an investment vehicle called a Real Estate Mortgage Investment Conduit, by which it was converted into a tax-exempt investment…….. When it went into default, the investors got a tax credit from the IRS”

I cannot begin to understand that.

Comment by polly
2011-10-20 08:27:55

I don’t think REMICs are tax exempt like a tax exempt bond would be. If I have time later, I’ll look into it.

Comment by EnglishmaninNJ
2011-10-20 10:59:19

Sounds complicated, really very simple: a REMIC is a tax structure that allows the participants in underwriting, owning and issuing to avoid being taxed on each separate step of the REMIC formation. The “Trust” holding the pool of mortgages is a REMIC, no tax due on the issuance of securities from the Trust to the eventual purchaser.

It depends on the purchaser’s own tax status as to the whether they have a tax liability associated with the income received from the bonds purchased.

Comment by polly
2011-10-20 11:22:47

I was coming back to this. The writer simply mixed up the concepts of “tax free” and a pass through entity. This thing is taxed like a partnership - no entity level tax, but the investors/partners get the gains/losses/etc. passed through to them at the end of the year.

Very badly written.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-10-20 13:05:09

Thanks both for the clarification!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2011-10-20 06:52:43

Maryland’s only ski resort has fallen victim to the collapse of the real estate market, as its owners filed for bankruptcy…

And here I thought Idaho’s Tamarack ski resort was poorly planned. Even Wisp’s own website doesn’t give any mountain data so I had to look them up on a skier’s guide. Top of the mountain is 3115 feet. Total vertical drop is 700 feet. Not much of a ski resort on which to pin hopes of high housing prices.

[By comparison Tamarack has top of mountain 7,700 feet, total vertical drop 2,800 feet.]

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-20 08:22:42

Of course, you need to consider the cost of traveling from Maryland to, say, Vermont, Colorado, Idaho, Utah or California to ski in figuring out the value of proximity to a ski resort with a total vertical drop of only 700 feet.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-10-20 08:27:44

It’s all about the population of the area and how many other ski resorts are in the area. 700 vertical feet is better than nothing if that’s the only other choice. Especially if there are millions of people with money around you…

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-10-20 07:13:49

OK, so I’m done venting. Do you have any ideas and or suggestions?”

yeah - PAY THE MORTGAGE you agreed to pay.

You willingly took the money and signed to pay it back under certain terms. So pay it back under those terms.

If you can get better terms – then get them. There are thousands of other banks out there.

And stop with the victimhood.

Comment by scdave
2011-10-20 08:15:59

I don’t read it as if she is claiming to be a victim…

The point she is trying to make is that she continues to pay on a underwater house why would a lender not want to lower the rate to buy some insurance that you did not get the property back in a strategic default which would cost the lender far more money then the differential interest…

The problem likely is that the “lender” she is talking about is probably only servicing the loan and really has no authority to rewrite it at a lower rate…Who knows where that loan is…Bundled somewhere…

Which, has raised this question for me for some time now…If, lets say, you were GE Capital that bought a boat load of this stuff in 2005 or 2006, wouldn’t you be looking at your portfolio and trying to identify what loans were at severe risk of foreclosure and then go to the borrower and offer a interest rate reduction thereby attempting to at least preserve your principal ??

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-10-20 08:23:47

2banana neglected to mention the strategic default option as a way out of victimhood…

 
Comment by snake charmer
2011-10-20 08:51:10

If I was GE Capital, I’d be seeking to have risks and losses transferred to the taxpayer. Especially when ideologically this country’s leadership refuses to consider any alternative.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-20 16:10:15

Dave….that should also include student loans and my favorite Credit cards….do you want to jack the rate to 19% and default or keep it at 8% and have a 10-15 year revenue stream? I cant believe they always give the wrong answer.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2011-10-20 11:20:22

Someone on CNBC last week was making the point that it would be very stimulative to the economy to refinance these folk at a lower interest rate. In theory those FBs would go out and spend the monetary difference between their old payment and new payment.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-20 11:49:01

That stimulative thing is actually Obamas line. I’ve noted it would be many times more stimulative if US citizens could enjoy cheaper housing.

Comment by scdave
2011-10-20 12:01:42

I’ve noted it would be many times more stimulative if US citizens could enjoy cheaper housing ??

I would agree Ben…I just wonder why the holders of those securities are not more proactive about trying to protect their principal even though it would hurt not help affordability…

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Comment by Eggman
2011-10-20 12:29:02

That, and anybody with any sense would take the payment differential and apply it to principal. It’s bad enough that they overpaid for the house, but with a conventional 15 or 30 year mortgage they’ve also overborrowed for the house. You can save an enormous amount of money over the life of the loan if you just pay down the principal at a faster rate than the bank prefers that you do. If Realtors are Liars, Bankers are Thieves.

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Comment by scdave
2011-10-20 13:57:36

Bankers are Thieves ??

More like Pirates….Pirates in Brick Ships…

 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2011-10-20 17:03:55

Oh it’s good to be an accountant
and to sail upon the wide accountancy…

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2011-10-20 17:21:29

And then you can have pirate accountants and actuaries.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2498206364209961454

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-10-20 07:17:04

“The most recent asking prices for the 16 units range from $258,400 for a 750-square-foot, one-bedroom condo

In Virginia Beach????

That is expensive for most of NYC…

Comment by DennisN
2011-10-20 07:37:04

When I read “tallest building in Virginia” I presumed it was in metro DC. Why would you build a place like that in VA Beach?

Comment by NC Mike B
2011-10-20 19:13:32

I assumed the tallest building in Virginia would be in Richmond. There are some big buildings there- at least to a country boy like me. The buildings along the beltway in N. Va. aren’t as tall as some of the ones in downtown Richmond.

And to earlier comments about Wisp ski resort in Western Maryland — Deep Creek Lake (a large and relatively clear man-made lake in Garrett County) is the biggest draw to that area, not the ski resort. Folks from the DC area crowd that lake on the weekends during the summer, but the place becomes pretty dead during the winter. I don’t think Wisp skiing was ever a huge draw, when Snowshoe Mtn (1500 ft vertical drop) in West Virginia is “only” a few hours’ drive from the
N. Va/MD/DC area.

 
 
Comment by Natalie
2011-10-20 07:46:14

Who told you that?

 
Comment by bink
2011-10-20 15:58:41

And imagine the condo fees.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-10-20 16:43:47

Steve Jobs Slammed Obama, ‘You’re Headed For A One-Term Presidency’
http://www.investorguide.com| October 20 2011 | investorguide

Jobs’ Meeting With Obama

Jobs, who was known for his prickly, stubborn personality, almost missed meeting President Obama in the fall of 2010 because he insisted that the president personally ask him for a meeting. Though his wife told him that Obama “was really psyched to meet with you,” Jobs insisted on the personal invitation, and the standoff lasted for five days. When he finally relented and they met at the Westin San Francisco Airport, Jobs was characteristically blunt. He seemed to have transformed from a liberal into a conservative.

“You’re headed for a one-term presidency,” he told Obama at the start of their meeting, insisting that the administration needed to be more business-friendly. As an example, Jobs described the ease with which companies can build factories in China compared to the United States, where “regulations and unnecessary costs” make it difficult for them.

Jobs also criticized America’s education system, saying it was “crippled by union work rules,” noted Isaacson. “Until the teachers’ unions were broken, there was almost no hope for education reform.” Jobs proposed allowing principals to hire and fire teachers based on merit, that schools stay open until 6 p.m. and that they be open 11 months a year.

Comment by DennisN
2011-10-20 17:12:04

And here the OWS guys were deifying Jobs. I wonder what they will think if they read this story.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-10-20 20:06:35

Not too far off from demanding all students even minorities read write and speak English or stay in summer school.

It sounds like he was Begging the Big Oh to create millions of qualified educated Americans so businesses never has to hire H1B’s.

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Jobs proposed allowing principals to hire and fire teachers based on merit, that schools stay open until 6 p.m. and that they be open 11 months a year.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2011-10-20 21:00:06

In fact, there are severe costs to China’s policy, but they aren’t borne by Apple or by any other company that offshored manufactuing. There are parts of China that are incredibly polluted and environmentally degraded, with land, water and air that are toxic. From the photos it looks as if you might need a hazmat suit to live there. And that’s one reason why the country is buying productive farmland in Africa and Latin America like crazy. Had he not been fortunate to be born in a country that until recently valued environmental regulations, there’s a fair chance Steve Jobs would have developed cancer many years before he actually did.

And I doubt the new standardized-testing model of public education would have produced someone as creative as Jobs, but that’s another topic. Obama should have been blunt to him. I doubt that happened.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-10-20 17:49:12

….. because ReaItor is liar.

 
Comment by BetterRenter
2011-10-20 22:25:44

A: “I still live in the same house I lived in when I was elected to the Board of Supervisors.”

Other than the politi-speak that generally boils my blood, it’s obvious that the debtor class was hiding it all during the bubble, and they are trying to hide it all during the collapse. People around me are STILL pretending they have careers and real jobs and manageable finances. Behind it all is stress and budding foreclosures and bankruptcies.

My very aged grandparents have given up even talking about how corrupt everything is. From the standpoint of the 1950s when they obtained a 15-yr mortgage which they paid off in about 11 years, their American world has turned into an absurd hell and there’s no way out except to pass through various doors of pain.

 
Comment by Va Beyatch Ethan in Norfolk
2011-10-21 01:08:01

I live near the Westin condo tower in Virginia Beach. It’s half condo tower, half hotel. Condos are on top. Our area got ranked the most expensive area to live in the USA based on incomes, although I don’t know if I believe it. I think we’re close.

It is the tallest building in Virginia, surprisingly. Richmond was on track to build taller, but I don’t think their project came to be.

Rents are still very high here. I guess it’s the Navy and the housing allowances.

I keep thinking my future is Northern Virginia/DC.

 
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