A Desert Of Undeveloped Lots And Empty Streets
The Sun Sentinel reports from Florida. “Broward County’s three-month run of home price increases ended in September, the Florida Realtors said. ‘Housing affordability conditions are very favorable right now,’ Florida Realtors President Patricia Fitzgerald said in a statement. ‘However, financially qualified buyers are still being denied home loans because of overly restrictive lending requirements, and that’s a significant obstacle to the housing recovery.’”
From KOMO News. “Dixie Mitchell wasn’t looking for a free ride, but rather just some help. Neighbors, family, and strangers, armed with with protest signs and petitions, joined Mitchell’s fight to save her home of 44 years ‘I want to stay in my house,’ Mitchell said. ‘I know I made the loan, but I didn’t expect I’d have cancer, my husband would have cancer.’”
“Mitchell, who lives on social security, says she never wanted a free ride. Ocwen Financial offered Dixie a 2-percent fixed rate for the life of the loan — a payment she and her disabled husband say they can handle. ‘The loan is gonna be $1,700 a month,’ she said. ‘I was paying $1,900 before it went up, and then it went up to $2,400, and went up to $2,568. And that’s where I couldn’t go no further.’”
The Palm Beach Post. “Reducing mortgage debt for some homeowners is an option Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi is willing to consider as part of the nationwide settlement agreement with banks. More than 1.9 million mortgages in Florida are underwater, including 141,070 in Palm Beach County, according to a CoreLogic report.”
“The March letter she wrote with the three other attorneys general warned that lowering a homeowner’s debt could encourage people to stop making loan payments and create a ‘moral hazard.’ Bondi’s deputy communications director, Jennifer Davis, reiterated that concern Tuesday. ‘The important thing is to ensure that principal reduction not cause further harm to Florida’s housing market by encouraging people to default on their mortgages,’ she said.”
The Tampa Tribune. “When Courtney Leaver moved into her dream home in Connerton in 2007, she bought into the whole ‘new town’ concept. She thought she was getting Westchase in the heart of Pasco County. ‘It’s been just the opposite,’ she said.”
“For the second time, the Connerton project has shut down. As originally planned, Connerton was supposed to have more than 8,000 homes, 1.7 million square feet of retail, and 1.4 million square feet of office and government space. To date, 256 homes have been built – six in the last year. There are no active builders in the community. Leaver, like other homeowners who bought their homes before the market crash, thought by now the project would be flush with retail shops, cafes and thriving neighborhoods. Instead, most of the community is a desert of undeveloped lots and beautifully landscaped, empty streets.”
“She said most of her friends short-sold their homes and moved elsewhere. Leaver and her husband considered doing the same. ‘We worked too hard for what we have to walk away from it,’ she said.”
“She still hopes Connerton becomes the new town she was promised. ‘I have a feeling we’ll be long gone before it does,’ she said. ‘This is not the neighborhood I bought into. This was going to be a community where people knew each other and cared about each other, but there’s been so much turnover, it just hasn’t happened.’”
From the BBC. “Two US senators have proposed a plan to offer visas for foreigners buying homes worth $500,000 or more. Some 31% of all international housing buyers choose Florida. The idea has also been supported by billionaire investor Warren Buffett. ‘If you wanted to change your immigration policy so that you let 500,000 families in but they have to have a significant net worth and everything, you’d solve things very quickly,’ Mr Buffett told PBS’s Charlie Rose in August.”
The News Chief. “The visitor — at some point in the process of pitching this program they became ‘visitors,’ not ‘foreigners’ — would have to spend at least $250,000 on a primary residence and a total altogether of $500,000 on residential property. The home purchases has to be an all-cash deal, no mortgage or equity loans. Considering the predatory lending practices that have come to light among our leading financial institutions, this is probably a wise precaution for protecting gullible foreigners, er, visitors.”
“As Emma Lazarus so famously said on the base of the Statue of Liberty, ‘Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse from your teeming shore … and I have a great three bedroom, 2 1/2 bath split-level to show you.’”
The News Press. “Home prices spiked up 17 percent in Lee County in September compared to a year earlier, even as the flood of distressed sales ebbed. The inventory of unsold homes has also contributed to a stronger market, said Denny Grimes of Denny Grimes & Co: only 800 houses under $100,000 are available for sale now, down from 4,200 three years ago.”
“Real estate agent Cheryl Turner of John R. Wood Realtors in Naples said the stronger prices there are due to an increased confidence by would-be retirees that the worst is over for the national economy and the local real estate market. ‘What I’m seeing is people in their 50s, but thinking when they’re ready to retire the markets going to have recovered,’ she said. ‘They’re still in a position to pay for it while the market is down. They can get a foot in the door before the market recovers.’”
The Herald Tribune. “Sarasota-Bradenton and all but four other major markets in Florida saw sharp increases in home sales during September from the same month a year earlier. The only communities that saw a decline in sales were Charlotte County-North Port, Orlando, Melbourne and Lakeland, the data show. Of those, Charlotte County-North Port saw the steepest: a 9 percent drop from a year ago. But that had more to do with a shortage of inventory than lack of demand.”
“‘We have had so many foreclosures in the North Port area, and banks simply are not releasing them,’ said Paula Brill, owner of Exit Realty Welcome Home in Port Charlotte. ‘Our inventories are way down. They are 40 percent lower than in September 2010 and that is helping to stabilize prices.’”
The Ledger. “Polk County home prices increased in September, marking the area’s first gain in more than four years. However, real estate observers say the price gains don’t quite reflect a housing market rebound. So what’s behind September’s uptick? Fewer foreclosure sales. ‘There’s just not as many cheap sales going on. Prices overall really aren’t increasing,’ said Peter Murphy, president of the Home Encounter real estate firm in Tampa.”
“‘We are seeing multiple offers on properties and there’s not enough inventory, because the banks are so far behind,’ said Chris McLaughlin, owner of the Keller Williams Realty franchises in Polk. ‘One of those (foreclosures) hits the market, they’ve got five or six offers coming in.’”
From Ocala.com. “Sales of existing single-family homes in Marion County got a solid boost during September, jumping 13 percent from a year ago, according to a report released by Florida Realtors. Home values over the same period, however, continued their downward march.”
“Florida Realtors attributed the overall dip in prices to the sales of foreclosed homes, which tend to sell for less than other houses. ‘One positive trend we can take from this is that we are seeing increased home sales,’ said Realtor Duke Rountree of Fort McCoy, VP of the Ocala-Marion County Realtors Association. ‘The inventory is much smaller.’”
“But Rountree said the continued decline in values is troubling. ‘I wish I had a crystal ball, but hopefully by the end of this year, we can start seeing some appreciation’ in values, he said. ‘That would be a nice change.’”
“Key to making that happen, Rountree noted, would be for banks to loosen the reins on lending. Perhaps more critical than that, according to Rountree, is getting more residents of a county with nearly 13 percent unemployment back to work. ‘We need jobs in Marion County,’ Rountree said. ‘You can’t buy a home if you don’t have a job.’”
The Chicago Tribune. “His detractors used to call him ‘Gloom-and-Doom Jack McCabe.’ They were his colleagues who scoffed, back in 2004, when McCabe, a housing industry consultant, began to speak publicly about his conviction that the Florida market was heading for a big fall.”
“This was a time when investors and homebuyers were so giddy over real estate that they literally were camping out for days to be the first to put down deposits on to-be-built high-rises. Miami-Dade home prices shot up 137 percent from 2002 to 2006. Palm Beach County homes vaulted 173 percent in that period. In Fort Myers, they skyrocketed 50 percent in a single year, 2007, according to McCabe.”
“Q: Did you get a lot of grief when you said the popping of the bubble was imminent? A: I first started talking about it in the media down here in April 2004, and the discussion went national in a Fortune magazine article in September 2004. I talked about how Miami was overbuilt and prices were going to fall. When things started going south, homebuilders and Realtors said it was my fault that the market crashed because the perception was making it the reality. But I said to them, it was you who built too much stuff and kept selling it to investors and gave them teaser-rate loans at 1 percent interest and with 100 percent financing.”
“At first, all the talk directed at me was negative, but I would have people come to me after speaking engagements and say, I agree with you, but they didn’t want to say it in public. They were afraid they were going to stop the gravy train.”
The Sun Times. “Marco Island residential builders say that while housing starts haven’t rebounded to pre-economic collapse levels, some new homes are rising from the ground and an upswing in renovations and remodeling is helping to keep their companies solvent. Remodeling has also become a staple for luxury home builder Kevin Williams Construction. Williams said activity for his company has actually slowed in 2011, as compared to 2010, as luxury homes construction continues to decline.”
“‘I think the prices of homes on the island have come down to the point where people are buying them and they have to remodel them,’ Williams added. ‘It’s (the housing market) definitely changed and I don’t think we’ll see that kind of boom again because I think we all know that it was unrealistic.’”
“Andy Delgado of Andrew Hunter Homes tells a markedly different tale than other builders. Business this year is almost double that of 2010, said Delgado. ‘We think the reason we’re busy is we’re making it affordable for someone on the island to build a new home,’ Delgado said.”
“Two U.S. Senators have proposed a plan to offer visas for foreigners buying homes worth $500,000 or more.”
Cash rules.
There it is, right in front of you, see for yourself.
Worthless, unbacked fiats aren’t so worthless after all, are they?
‘If you wanted to change your immigration policy so that you let 500,000 families in but they have to have a significant net worth and everything, you’d solve things very quickly,’
Time will tell whether Buffett’s plan to have rich foreigners save America’s economy will work or not.
Am I the only person who wonders why we even ask this old coot what he thinks about every damn topic that comes up?
Not at all. Drives me crazy.
Guy Somerset at Takimag wrote a good article entitled “The Orifice of Omaha”. Says it all for me.
http://takimag.com/article/the_orifice_of_omaha#axzz1bY9nQQEK
MY last shred of respect fell away when Charlie Munger was bitching that people should ’shut up and be glad’ to pay higher taxes to subsidise Wall Street. I hope that I get to work in his Nursing Home and mix his friggin’ oatmeal in years to come. I’ve got something special to stir it with… By the way, we’ve been living in Orlando since 2006 and renting (sold at the top of the market in Atlanta in Dec. 2005) for years. Wife and I decided to look seriously at houses just a few months ago. Pre-approved for a VA loan up to $200,000, 4.25% 30-year interest rate, 798 FICO, don’t have to pay anything (no 20%, no PMI) except closing costs.
Short story: we looked for 6 months and decided to rent for another year or two. LOTS of denial and crazy in the marketplace ($175-$200k tear downs, massive unrealistic expectations, HUGE sense of entitlement remains ‘EVERYONE wants to move to Florida’). Summary: Central Florida still has a long way to go until reality sets in. I’ll keep my powder dry and wait.
Absurdly, I am seeing an upswing in the number of articles touting the Florida real estate market. It reminds me of how, each year, holiday retail sales are reported so positively.
At least the clueless are no longer hanging on Alan Greenspan’s every word these days.
Talk about rewarding the global 1%ers…
Gotta agree. It reminds me of thsoe Chinese millionaires who work their laborers in horrible conditions to make those millions… and then try to get out China because they can’t live in those horrible conditions themselves.
If they want a safe and clean country, they should create one themselves.
Worthless, unbacked fiats aren’t so worthless after all, are they?
Some fiats are more equal than others. No one here has ever said that they are “worthless” but under the current scenario they are a poor store of value as banks will give you at most 1% interest on your savings. And there is always the looming threat of governments monetizing their debt with the printing press.
Of course catching a falling knife is even worse than saving money in the bank, which is why they are offering to bribe these would be knife catchers with a residency Visa. I seem to recall reading once about a study that tried to put a value on a green card. IIRC it was about $200K. That should cover a pretty big haircut on the falling knife.
“No one here has ever said that they are “worthless” but under the current scenario they are a poor store of value as banks will give you at most 1% interest on your savings.”
Actually, the gold bugs who used to crow here about ‘worthless’ paper have been curiously absent since the recent selloff in gold.
US Federal Reserve dollars are backed and are worth something.
About $90 / bbl of oil and $1650 / oz of gold. Of course, a few years ago, these $ were worth more… quite a bit more… $40 / bbl and $500 / oz.
The are also backed. By being exchangeable into energy (oil, nat gas, etc…), and metals, etc… And this access (to energy) is backed by military power and nuclear weapons.
The day $ are no longer accepted by OPEC, etc… they become a lot closer to “worthless”. Of course, depends on our willingness to use the military then.
“…and $500 / oz.”
Gold was pegged to $35/oz through 1970 or so…
I can just picture John Belushi in the Blues Brothers, in a foreign accept, asking an American couple “how much for the little girls?”
The idea has also been supported by billionaire investor Warren Buffett. ‘If you wanted to change your immigration policy so that you let 500,000 families in but they have to have a significant net worth and everything, you’d solve things very quickly,’ Mr Buffett told PBS’s Charlie Rose in August.”
Import Inflation
This is exactly what Peter Schiff (as well as any good Austrian economist) said would happen at some point. All those fiat dollars sent abroad eventually come home to roost and that’s when the true inflation hits. Let them in, buy all our stuff, and leave. LOL
More like ‘import human capital.’
Cash rules, especially when it’s worth more than the greenback.
Thanks for your truly nonsensical post.
“Two U.S. Senators have proposed a plan to offer visas for foreigners buying homes worth $500,000 or more.”
This is how badly they want to keep housing unaffordable for the average American? I think I’ll have to write Senator Maria Cantwell again, to express my disgust. It’ll probably go completely ignored, just like last time.
Wow, sales and prices are way up. Backlog of inventory is way down. It sounds like the housing bubble/recession is over in Florida. See you guys on the next bubble blog. All is well, ALL IS WELL!!!!!
Florida will be the first to emerge from the housing slump. Maybe in a few years.
I have seen decent housing in decent neighborhoods going for $60,000. Taxes are low (but I don’t have that great a feel for how taxes may change with new ownership).
So for a $25,000/year in household income (two people making the minimum wage or one at $12/hour) - it is doable (yes - there are other major assumptions like benefits).
“Wow, sales and prices are way up. Backlog of inventory is way down.”
I posted this a few months ago, houses for sale were dropping like a rock in the areas I search. Funny thing is houses in the same area continue to sit empty and people in the same area continue to live in houses without paying. Bad areas are cheap, good areas are expesive and getting more so with the drop of houses for sale. I called it a scam but I was told here it is something else.
Here in Tucson, I’m noticing that inventory is starting to climb again. True, a lot of it is stuff that’s been foreclosed, but it’s not all Phoney and Frauddie-owned junk. Some of it’s pretty nice.
I’m also seeing a lot of houses that have been for sale for many a moon. I suspect that, in most cases, the price is the problem. Meaning that it’s just too darn high.
From KOMO News. “Dixie Mitchell wasn’t looking for a free ride, but rather just some help. Neighbors, family, and strangers, armed with with protest signs and petitions, joined Mitchell’s fight to save her home of 44 years ‘I want to stay in my house,’ Mitchell said. ‘I know I made the loan, but I didn’t expect I’d have cancer, my husband would have cancer.’”
“Mitchell, who lives on social security, says she never wanted a free ride. Ocwen Financial offered Dixie a 2-percent fixed rate for the life of the loan — a payment she and her disabled husband say they can handle. ‘The loan is gonna be $1,700 a month,’ she said. ‘I was paying $1,900 before it went up, and then it went up to $2,400, and went up to $2,568. And that’s where I couldn’t go no further.’”
WHERE DID THE MONEY GO?
you know - the home equity loan you took out…
How are they gonna pay the loan back on social security? At $1700 a month, are they going to live another 20 years? It’ll be back in default.
The REIC wants it both ways. Make lending easier! But don’t foreclose when people get sick or get older! Refinance underwater borrowers!
Why? They’re just going to default again. Oh, yeah, it’ll make inventory go down temporarily, so they can get more money! How come we don’t call these people on their greed? They’ll throw old lady’s with cancer under the bus to have a slightly better monthly statistic.
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Realtors Are Liars®
A lot of Christians forget that Jesus saves.
As one of my friends likes to say, “Jesus saves. Moses invests.”
Maybe I’m just crabby today, but why is she still making payments on a house she’s lived in for 44 years?
Old people are going to have health problems. Shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
People like this make us socialists look bad.
One of my older relatives recently told me that she’d refi-ed her condo so she could catch up on her bills. It’s a classic case of fixed income meeting inflation in health care, energy, and other “can’t live without ‘em” costs. And taxes. Those have gone up for her too.
so they convert CC and other debt to secured loans…*sigh*
I really had to struggle to keep The Troublemaker (aka my mouth) under control. It was like fighting against a hurricane wind when it came to keeping it shut.
It still amazes me how few people rolled up their student loans into a Heloc……talk about great timing if they did.
“The March letter she wrote with the three other attorneys general warned that lowering a homeowner’s debt could encourage people to stop making loan payments and create a ‘moral hazard.’ Bondi’s deputy communications director, Jennifer Davis, reiterated that concern Tuesday. ‘The important thing is to ensure that principal reduction not cause further harm to Florida’s housing market by encouraging people to default on their mortgages,’ she said.”
Gee - what do you think people will do when they see their next door neighbors stop paying their mortgage and get a 50% cut in their principle?
Especially in Miami-Dade, where everyone is related. Three seconds after cousin Carlos gets his principal reduced, half the city will know about it.
Hate to break the news to everyone, but principal reductions are already happening.
Speaking of that cousin connection, this very thing happened to one of my cousins. He’s a real estate agent in MN, and he was being foreclosed upon. ISTR that the house in question was an investment.
Any-hoo, be that as it may, my cuz told the bank that it could have the darn house back. And the bank told Cuz that it didn’t want the house back.
So it wrote the principal down and guess what? Cuz still has that house.
This was going to be a community where people knew each other and cared about each other
People long for this…but they don’t seem to understand it can’t be purchased.
+1
They are lucky, a lot of people have to move to the country to get away from neighbors.
“People long for this…but they don’t seem to understand it can’t be purchased.”
I’ve always meant to go up and check out the Connerton debacle. I remember back around 2000-2002 when the papers were heavily touting the planned Florida “hometown” community up in Pasco county, with plans for faux Florida bungalows with front porches, etc. Always wondered what happened, now I know.
Fishhawk Ranch and Lakewood Ranch were two other master planned communities, although those seem to have turned out a little better. However, having worked recently in the Lakewood Ranch area, I can report that it seems to have attracted the poseur crowd in droves.
Fishhawk Ranch was touted as a family community where kids could play in the woods and swing from the trees and go exploring and the early marketing even implied kids could wallow in swimming holes just like in the old days. Lots of photos of live oaks and pathways, etc. Thing is, in this part of Florida, you don’t want kids wallowing in swimming holes or even “exploring” in the woods. Too many gators and snakes and that sort of thing. But I’ve heard parts of Fishhawk Ranch are quite nice and the people who live there seem to be a fairly decent bunch.
As was reported in a recent newspaper article here, quite a few of the cool freshwater springs that served as swimming holes in the “old days” have dried up as a result of a falling water table. Now we have to contrive a phony version in a place like Connerton, which itself was a vision of an idyllic future of shopping and leisure that has no chance of happening. Ironically, Pasco County is plagued by sinkholes.
As for community, the housing bubble was tremendously destructive of everything we associate with that, starting with the fact that local people were priced out of the communities in which they grew up.
Text from my wife: be careful red stripe snake on porch
US salaries, earned by the few who still have jobs, will compete for desirable properties with the incoming Canadian dollars and euros. As another poster put it - importing inflation.
““The March letter she wrote with the three other attorneys general warned that lowering a homeowner’s debt could encourage people to stop making loan payments and create a ‘moral hazard.’ ”
Again with the ‘moral hazard’. How come when businesses ditch underwater assets nobody screams ‘moral hazard!’, but when Joe Homeunderwater does the exact same thing for the exact same reason, it’s a deeply immoral act?