Driving On The Same Road In A Faster Car
The Desert Sun reports from California. “Raul Vargas earns about a third of what he used to make before the recession. The husband and father of four’s entire take-home income, about $2,000 a month, goes to cover the $1,300 mortgage on their Coachella home and hundreds of dollars in utilities. ‘It all goes to house and bills,’ said Vargas, a Realtor-turned wind turbine repairman. If it wasn’t for the money his wife brings home, roughly another $2,000 a month, they would lose their house.”
“More than half of Indio residents, 57 percent, paid more than 35 percent of their income for housing. Many residents of La Quinta, Palm Desert and Indio are also paying more than $2,000 a month on their mortgages, an amount that reflects higher interest rates and houses purchased at the height of the market in the mid-2000s.”
“‘This market is suffering from people who bought homes they couldn’t afford,’ said Greg Berkemer, executive vice president of the California Desert Association of Realtors.”
“Palm Desert resident Bruce Domes, an automotive technician, and his wife net about $4,000 a month and pay a $1,500 for housing. Domes said he’s making $7 less per hour than he earned last year. ‘I have lost tools and my car due to a lower income,’ he wrote in an email. ‘We have nearly lost the roof over our heads. I ride my bike eight miles each way to and from work.’”
“Vargas said he used to earn nearly six figures as a Realtor. The family enjoyed vacations to Hawaii and Cancun. Then, the housing bubble burst in 2008. His in-laws — also a family of six — moved into their four-bedroom, two-bathroom home in 2010 after his brother-in-law’s construction company collapsed. Despite the difficult times, Vargas considers himself lucky, mainly because of his four kids.”
“‘Not one of them has said, ‘Mom, I miss my room,’ Vargas said Friday. “These kids teach me a lesson in humility. In a year and a half, no one has complained.’”
The Union Tribune. “Has the foreclosure crisis in San Diego peaked? We asked the U-T Housing Huddle, our group of real estate experts.”
“Kurt Branstetter, loan officer and mortgage manager at W.J. Bradley Mortgage in San Diego: Yes, but unfortunately there are many more to come. Foreclosures will only subside significantly when housing prices stabilize. Many homebuyers who purchased in 2004-2007 did so at the worst possible time at inflated prices with no money down and no income qualification loan programs that were readily available at that time (unfortunately.) Hopefully, a majority of those troubled properties have already thrown in the towel. Inventory levels and home prices have stabilized in some areas of the county and many homes are now selling at prices below the replacement cost.”
“Clemente Casillas, broker at South County Real Estate in Chula Vista.: No. I don’t believe the foreclosure crisis has peaked. At least not in South County. I recently did a BPO (broker price opinion) for a bank in the 91913 ZIP code. Of the 30 active listings in the area of similar type and model, 22 were short sales and three were bank-owned. This made up 70 percent of homes in pre-foreclosure. In addition, more than 50 percent of the market in South County continues to be a short sale. This is inventory currently on the market. I’m sure there are plenty of homes in pre-foreclosure status that are not even on the market. With continued unemployment not getting better, weak consumer confidence and expected government cutbacks, it is not going to get better tomorrow.”
The Tribune. “You all know the familiar gospel, ‘It’s the economy, stupid.’ But there is another level to the comprehension of our national problems that still is not being as fully addressed as it should be. It’s not only the economy. That’s far too broad a statement. It’s the housing market.”
“The president, members of Congress and the slate of Republican presidential hopefuls are obviously fully aware of the former, but they’re practically clueless about the latter. In what amounts to bailing water with a thimble, President Obama last week unveiled yet another attempt to right our economic ship, but it’s still too meager an effort.”
“One of the biggest problems with the latest program is it only applies to loans owned or backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Everyone else — who lack the assistance of government muscle attached to their loans — is out of luck. Here’s my proposal: If you’re current on your payments and have not missed more than one in the last year and your loan is no more than 25 percent above the current value of your home, you qualify for refinancing — across the board.”
“For the banks, if there ever were a financial moment crystallized around ‘ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country,’ it is now. So guys, are you with us, or against us?”
The Sacramento Bee. “When you examine President Barack Obama’s most recent plan to help underwater homeowners you can’t help but ask: Why is the federal government in the mortgage business? Hasn’t the loss of nearly half the value of our homes – thanks in large part to the federal scheme to make sure everyone owns a house whether they can afford it or not – been a lesson enough?”
“The federal government’s role in financing residential housing ‘has increased dramatically since the outset of the crisis,’ according to a report by the inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, with the federal government and the organizations it backs ‘now guaranteeing or insuring almost all net new borrowings for mortgages and mortgage-backed securities.’”
“In other words, it states, the government ‘has done more than simply support the mortgage market, in many ways it has become the mortgage market, with the taxpayer shouldering the risk that had once been borne by the private investor.’Absent meaningful reform, it states, ‘we are still driving on the same winding mountain road, but this time in a faster car.’”
The Record Searchlight. “The federal government’s involvement in the mortgage business is the reason California homes have lost half their value? Well, that’s an argument to be made — and certainly the official blessing of looser mortgage credit helped pump up the housing bubble, leading to the subsequent bust. At the same time, since we’re talking about the federal government, it’s hard to see why the boom and bust was so selective. Some states saw neither run-up nor crash over the past decade.”
“In any case, back to the question: Why is the federal government in the mortgage business? Here’s the nickel version from a couple of finance professors in a 2005 paper, ‘The American Mortgage in Historical and International Context’: ‘Before the Great Depression, the single-family home mortgage was a very different instrument. Until the 1930s, residential mortgages in the United States were available only for a short term (typically 5-10 years) and featured ‘bullet’ payments of principal at term. Unless borrowers could find means to refinance these loans when they came due, they would have to pay off the outstanding loan balance. In addition, most loans carried a variable rate of interest. Bartlett (1989) presents a fine historical overview of the origins of the modern U.S. mortgage.’”
“‘Home mortgages typically had very low loan-to-value ratios of 50 percent or less and thus did not, by themselves, place substantial stress on lenders, because when borrowers were short of cash, their property could be sold if necessary to redeem their loan. But during the Great Depression in the early 1930s, property values in the United States declined by 50 percent relative to peak values. Holders of these mortgages, knowing their positions were insecure, refused to refinance loans that came due; as a result, borrowers defaulted, having neither the cash nor the home equity necessary to pay the loans back. A wave of foreclosures resulted–typically 250,000 per year between 1931 and 1935. At the worst of the Depression, nearly 10 percent of homes were in foreclosure. Financial institutions would in turn attempt to resell the properties that they repossessed, which placed even further downward pressure on the housing market.’”
“‘In response to these calamities, the federal government began intervening in the housing finance market. It created three particularly important institutions: the Home Owner’s Loan Corporation, the Federal Housing Administration and the Federal National Mortgage Association.’”
“In short, there was massive price deflation and a foreclosure death spiral — eerily like today’s — before the federal government ever got involved in the mortgage business.’
The Santa Cruz Sentinel. “Bruce Arthur is a former Capitola city councilman: ‘So more houses equals more opportunity to raise more revenue for the state. That, as far as I can see, is the only justification for the state of California to periodically require cities to adjust their housing numbers to accommodate more sardines in the can. Capitola is, for all intents and purposes, built out. There are just not enough vacant properties to accommodate even the amount of houses that they were required to plan for 15 years ago. Still the state wants more residents [taxpayers].”
“Never mind any more density would drastically impact our older neighborhoods. Secondary Dwelling Units seem to be the soup du jour that is going to save the cities. Not so fast. Capitola tried it two housing number allocations ago and found that not many people were interested in investing in the construction of the units. So now the state has told [not asked, but told] the city the Secondary Dwelling Unit ordinance isn’t working and we need to modify the lot square footage minimum from 5,000 square feet to 4,000 square feet. Oh, and reduce the rear- and side-yard setbacks for detached units. And, oh yeah, increase the height from one story to two stories.”
“At what point will the residents declare war on the politicians and demand a stop to this nonsense? Where are all these new residents going to work? Where are all these residents going to park? How is this increase in new commuters [see where are these residents going to work] going to make our air and traffic quality better?”
The Lompoc Record. “Lompoc will return $147,322 to the federal government that the city loaned in 2003 to the now-financially strapped Lompoc Housing and Community Development Corp. to buy property in the 500 block of North T Street. The location was to be the site of a five-unit condo complex for first-time homeowners, but the project never evolved because of a downturn in the economy, according to a city staff report.”
“Mayor John Linn said the city did not make a mistake in putting its faith behind LHCDC to do the project. ‘There was a plan in place (by LHCDC); the plan made sense moving forward, then the economics changed and it didn’t make sense,’ Linn said. ”
“This is not the first time the city has taken action on LHCDC projects. In April, the city initiated foreclosure on one vacant South K Street lot purchased for $375,000 in redevelopment loan funds administered by the city to LHCDC.”
The Press Democrat. “The nation’s home builders are still singing the blues, but in Sonoma County the tune is now sung by a new set of builders. Several local builders have closed their doors. ‘There aren’t many locals left,’ said Chris Peterson, president of Rivendale Homes in Santa Rosa.”
“It’s quite a change from the days when smaller, local companies like Christopherson Homes and Pinnacle Homes oversaw the work of turning the county’s bare ground into brand-new communities with hundreds of homes. Eventually more home buyers will return and building will resume, Peterson said. But today construction loans are nearly impossible to get, foreclosures have pushed prices far too low and new home building still contains too much risk.”
“This year is on track to end as the worst in a half-century for single-family home construction. The National Association of Home Builders last week predicted the U.S. will add only 422,000 houses this year, down 10 percent from 2010. In 2006, that figure peaked at 1.7 million houses.”
“Similarly, the Research Board predicts that California builders will construct a record-low 21,500 single-family houses, down 16 percent from last year. In Sonoma County, the downturn forced the bankruptcies of prominent landowner Clem Carinalli and developers Wendell Nordby and Orrin Thiessen. Pinnacle Homes filed for bankruptcy protection earlier this year for two limited partnerships with homesites in Sonoma and Mendocino counties. And Christopherson Homes last year lost two partially completed subdivisions in southwest Santa Rosa to a foreclosure auction and a court-ordered sale.”
“‘We expected some improvement this year and it didn’t show up,’ said Ben Bartolotto, research director at the Construction Industry Research Board.”
“Miami-based Lennar paid $7 million for one Christopherson project, Linwood Village. The amount owed the lender was $12.7 million. Meritage Homes of Scottsdale, Ariz., bought the other, Ragle Ranch, for $12 million. Public records showed the lender was owed $22 million. Both builders now have homes for sale here, as does KB Homes of Los Angeles at its Quarry Heights Project in Petaluma. Observers say these builders have substantial capital for buying stalled projects and for building.”
“Eduardo Martinez, a senior economist who studies California for Moody’s Analytics predicted somewhat better days ahead for the county’s home construction industry. ‘It’s going to be a gradual increase,’ Martinez said. He expects to see ‘meaningful” growth in 2013, but he cautioned that it could take several more years for the county to get back to a rate of 1,500 new homes a year — about half the number built in 2005.’”
“Randy Waller, a broker/owner of W Real Estate, says most of the current housing projects pencil out because they were taken back by banks and later sold at steep discounts. In other cases, the builders took a tax write-off by slashing the stated value of land bought before home prices plunged. Waller said it’s still far from clear how the county’s home building industry expands after these ‘broken’ projects are completed. Experts aren’t predicting a big rise in home prices or a big drop in building costs, he said.”
“‘So why are we predicting an increase in construction?’ he asked.”
Southern California Public Radio. “A pair of creative video artists are using foreclosed homes in Riverside as the backdrops for their latest work. Jeff Foye and Gordon Winiemko created the show ‘Jeff and Gordon Play Against’ on display at Riverside’s Sweeney Art Gallery. Winiemko says the artists also use the game of squash, typically associated with wealthy people, to explore the tensions between competition and cooperation in today’s economy.”
“‘That tension that we’re playing, and there are rules that we agree on but we’re out to beat the other guy. Our exhibition is meant to look at the kind of underlying attitudes that give rise to a catastrophe like that, where there are so many people that end up losers,’ Winiemko explained. ‘These pieces also exemplify the desire of the 99 to be the 1 percent,” he added, referencing the Occupy movement.”
“Foye agreed. ‘Here we are maybe wearing the clothes or adopting the role of the 1 percenters. And the fact that we’re doing this at foreclosed homes is, we’re trying to carry on as if everything is just fine. We’re just temporarily embarrassed, you know?’ Winiemko said.”
Hopefully, a majority of those troubled properties have already thrown in the towel. Inventory levels and home prices have stabilized in some areas of the county and many homes are now selling at prices below the replacement cost.”
Where do you start with this raft of stupidity? These guys are experts according to article.
“Hopefully”?? Is that how you characterize a forecast? Houses are “selling at price below replacement cost”??? REALLY? Then why are construction outfits supplying the market and selling at prices under the resale market?
You ReaItors need to come up with a new Lie List. Your decades old lies are stale and easily refuted.
So true, so true.
“many homes are now selling at prices below the replacement cost.”
The thing that people don’t seem to understand is that houses are depreciating assets — like cars — and only go down in value (land may appreciate). It’s like saying I should buy a ‘98 Honda because its selling for less than a ‘12 Honda.
“Many residents of La Quinta, Palm Desert and Indio are also paying more than $2,000 a month on their mortgages, an amount that reflects higher interest rates and houses purchased at the height of the market in the mid-2000s.”
That $2,000 a month earns them the privilege of enjoying 100+ degree temperatures during the summer months in the middle of a blazing hot desert.
“California Desert Association of Realtors”
Who’d've thunk there was a special association for used home sellers who sell homes in the middle of the California desert?
The hefty $2,000 a month mortgage is due mostly to the cost of scarce desert land.
/sarc
I hiked to the top of San Jacinto Peak with a couple of my sons (i.e. their Boy Scout troop) last weekend. We camped up high where you could see the lights far below in Coachella Valley. Based on the sea of lights stretched across the valley floor, I was duly impressed by the amount of development which has evidently occurred squarely in the middle of a vast desert wasteland.
I was duly impressed by the amount of development which has evidently occurred squarely in the middle of a vast desert [that has been built into a] wasteland.
Reckon they used an out-of-state template? Say, Phoenix, AZ.
(The 14th largest metro area by population in the United States with about 4.2 million people in 2010)
Did that myself 50 years ago, long before the tram was
built. Is the lookout still up there?
“Is the lookout still up there?”
Rancher — Not sure (not sure what “the lookout” is).
The hike was a bit humbling for most of us relatively younger dads, as the pack was paced by a 62 year old scout leader with the energy of a teenager.
Did you go up the back way via Vivian Creek?
Perhaps it is for the opportunity to enjoy a warm climate year around? A temperature chart in this Wikipedia entry shows the daily high temperature averages over 100 degrees F in Coachella Valley during four months out of the year (June through September), with record highs up to 123 degrees F — ouch!
That’s right, everybody wants to live there.
Not much land left to build on.
Close.
Cost of scarce desert WATER.
I am picturing La Quinta having a Denny’s on every street corner.
According to the joke, “La Quinta” means “Next to Dennys”.
Here in queens its right next to McD…and a car wash
said Vargas, a Realtor-turned wind turbine repairman.
Does anyone need more evidence of the green energy bubble?
and BTW -
Second Energy Department-backed company goes bankrupt
A Massachusetts company that received a $43 million Energy Department loan guarantee last year filed for bankruptcy Sunday, a step certain to fuel criticism of federal green energy financing in the wake of the solar company Solyndra’s collapse.
The Beacon bankruptcy comes roughly two months after the California solar panel maker Solyndra, which had received a $535 million Energy Department (DOE) loan guarantee in 2009, went belly up and laid off 1,100 workers.
thehill dot com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/190641-second-energy-dept-backed-company-goes-bankrupt
Why is this evidence of a green energy bubble? Government subsidized wind turbines, same as they subsidize other industires (think Big Pharm and Big Ag). Somebody needs to repair the turbines, Vargas has the skillz, he produces a service, and he’s paid accordingly. $2k a month take-home is, say, $35K salary. I don’t see your beef here.
The solar panel companies are going out of business because China is flooding the market with cheap panels; it has nothing to do with Vargas.
Like I said below, let’s ignore these vapid comments from the yellow monster. He takes up valuable space on my computer screen.
green energy is done, stick a fork in it. The promise did help to get a lot of people elected, notably our governor.
I meant to say, dead again. It will be back I’m sure.
Geez have you seen the price of corn chips? millions starving all over the world and we make fuel from food….
Will we ever get a Leader who will inspire companies to hire smart people again?
The Department of Energy has recently completed testing on just such a humble breakthrough. The Optical Cavity Furnace is a new piece of equipment for making solar cells that is about to rock the photovoltaic industry by slashing costs and increasing efficiency. The news should not just excite tech nerds—by reducing the cost of producing solar cells by nearly three-quarters, this new technology represents another big step on the path to making clean energy the cheap kind of energy.
http://scienceprogress.org/2011/10/new-solar-technology-you-never-heard-of/
It’s about friggin’ time!
I’ve been looking at adding a solar array to the Arizona Slim Ranch. But for the upfront cost, I’d do it in a heartbeat.
From the “people in the business,” I’m getting a lot of stories that go like this:
“Upfront, it cost me $16k, but after the rebates and tax credits, it only cost me $1,500 and I’m doing net zero metering with the electric company.”
To which I say, “Well, isn’t that special. You had $16k just laying around there. A lot of people don’t. And no, I’m not interested in taking out a loan. Stop the rebate and tax credit games and just get the dang price down to where real people can afford it!”
Stop the rebate and tax credit games and just get the dang price down to where real people can afford it!”
It can’t. It makes NO economic sense (without massive subsidies). There is ROI or payback period. I have done the numbers for the 2banana household.
And it needs all these government subsidized to compete with “old fashion” energy. It would DIE without them tomorrow.
And can anyone name ONE industry that is sustainable with these types of massive subsidies?
Nuclear power?
2banana, you’re missing the point. It will be 25-30 years before renewable prices drop to equal rising fossil fuel prices. However, you need the same 25-30 years to wean the way our society operates from fossil to renewable (electric). The subsidies are all about sustaining the ramp-up, preparing for the day when you can’t buy fossil fuels at any price.
We live in the rural area outside of Phoenix. Just installed a 4.2kw system. My payback is approx 8 years. We have APS and the rates are up by 6% per year and now they are asking for more than twice that now. I’ll put the money into solar vs a saving account or the stock market. I will take solar and essentially freeze my rates and invest in my infrastructure. We have a well and septic, so no city fees to pay that are going up every year. Now just need to veto a school override vote that wants to build an unneeded high school which will hopefully put a brake on the increase in property taxes!
The article is pretty over-the-top with optimism. 20 bucks says that, within 10 years, one of those contractors will sell that furnace to China and they will reverse engineer it.
10 years from now 3 more generations of similar technology will be in play.
“One of the biggest problems with the latest program is it only applies to loans owned or backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”
Together with FHA, aren’t we talking here about 90%+ of all mortgages?
90+% of NEW mortgages. Depends on the terms of the program (in which years the mortgages originated to be eligible) what percent of the market they controlled back then.
Fannie/Freddie/FHA weren’t backing 90+% of the mortgages in 2005.
“For the banks, if there ever were a financial moment crystallized around ‘ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country,’ it is now. So guys, are you with us, or against us?”
Dear gawd - did president obama really say that…?
“…are you with us, or against us?”
No, it was W.
The Sacramento Bee. “When you examine President Barack Obama’s most recent plan to help underwater homeowners you can’t help but ask: Why is the federal government in the mortgage business? Hasn’t the loss of nearly half the value of our homes – thanks in large part to the federal scheme to make sure everyone owns a house whether they can afford it or not – been a lesson enough?”
To buy votes?
To control more power?
To increase the size and scope of government?
To save the banks.
Wait tell the taxpayers find out that Bank of America has pit its 71 trillion direatives onto the FDIC books with taxpayers to back it up. Banks now “bets are on the taxpayers” to settle! See any government officials to question this fraud move. Guess the bank lobbying money is paying off big time!
“Guess the bank lobbying money is paying off big time!”
I bet Clinton is so proud of the Glass-Steagall legislation.
thanks in large part to the federal scheme to make sure everyone owns a house
.. most of that scheming to buy occurred in the Bush years, fruitpie. We’ve gone from the ownership society to the occupy society.
Let’s conspire to ignore Tutti Fruity.
“Here’s my proposal: If you’re current on your payments and have not missed more than one in the last year and your loan is no more than 25 percent above the current value of your home, you qualify for refinancing — across the board.”
Do the contracts that created the mortgage backed securities which investors bought to fund the loans give the borrower the right to refinance, whether or not the loans are underwater?
Bingo.
Right now, everyone is looking for someone else to hold the bag. If you pass the losses on to the investors, then everyone will start freaking out over their 401Ks (which are already badly hurting). Guess it’s not such a good idea for everyone in this country to have their retirement money in the stock market, huh? Especially when the “laws” that are supposed to protect against fraud (AAA anyone?) are not being enforced.
Southern California Public Radio. “A pair of creative video artists are using foreclosed homes in Riverside as the backdrops for their latest work. Jeff Foye and Gordon Winiemko created the show ‘Jeff and Gordon Play Against’ on display at Riverside’s Sweeney Art Gallery. Winiemko says the artists also use the game of squash, typically associated with wealthy people, to explore the tensions between competition and cooperation in today’s economy.”
This is ART?
Oh - this is art subsidized by taxpayers…
Or just another scam…
The husband and father of four’s entire take-home income, about $2,000 a month
Interesting that a wind turbine tech job, which is at least a semi-skilled job, pays little more than a Lucky Ducky wage. If I were on UE my monthly benefit would be equivalent to that.
“If it wasn’t for the money his wife brings home they would lose their house.”
Time for everyone to re-read Elizabeth Warren’s book The Two Income Trap…
Was just going to post that!!
Their total household salary looks to be around $70-80K. by today’s standards, they are not in any trouble at all as long as they keep their jobs.
The Guptons pay a little more than $1,500 a month mortgage on a home they paid $250,000 for nearly five years ago, but figure it’s now worth at least $70,000 less.
They’re paying about 25 percent of their fixed income on their mortgage. If they could knock down their loan interest, the Guptons say they would have a few hundred extra dollars each month to spend.
So these retirees are making 6k/month = 72k/yr and are whining that they need more money??
How many retirees make anywhere close to that much?
Oh, come on, they’re on a “fixed” income. In AARP speak that always means they’re starving. Never mention that it’s fixed higher than a majority of americans.
“Some states saw neither run-up nor crash over the past decade.”
That doesn’t seem to square with the evidence regularly posted here, unless they are talking about, say, North Dakota.
Yes they like to use states like Montana, and local realtors tried to say there was no runup here. But I was on the ground and watching the whole time and I sure noticed it. Now, Missoula seems to have an *unexpected* number of foreclosures. And that’s not to mention Flathead & Bozeman where there was a lot more frantic housebuilding going on.
“Until the 1930s, residential mortgages in the United States were available only for a short term (typically 5-10 years) and featured ‘bullet’ payments of principal at term. Unless borrowers could find means to refinance these loans when they came due, they would have to pay off the outstanding loan balance. In addition, most loans carried a variable rate of interest.”
Sounds so much like the ARMS which everyone who couldn’t afford the payment on a 30-year mortgage was using to buy homes around 2005 or so; is there any meaningful difference between the type of financing which prevailed in the 1930s compared to what was most popular around 2005?
My granddaddy had one. Got it in the late1920’s and scrambled to get it refi’ed in 1932. I don’t know the entire story but I’ll ask my father.
is there any meaningful difference between the type of financing which prevailed in the 1930s compared to what was most popular around 2005?
Difference in financing? No. The difference was in the down payment which lowered the price.
Like balloon payments in the ’80s?
In the 1930s, you lose the house even if you can still make the payments.
“The federal government’s role in financing residential housing ‘has increased dramatically since the outset of the crisis,’ according to a report by the inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, with the federal government and the organizations it backs ‘now guaranteeing or insuring almost all net new borrowings for mortgages and mortgage-backed securities.’”
Apparently the policy prognosis was that there was not enough federal government intervention in the mortgage market, rather than too much?
‘we are still driving on the same winding mountain road, but this time in a faster car.’
This is where hair-of-the-dog remedies for policy failures will get you…
Apparantly, the NAR, developers and the rest of the residential home construction syndicate realized that sales would drop to zero without government intervention, and lobbied their congressmen accordingly.
You know, our system of financing residential property worked pretty well from about 1935 to 1995. What changed?
Securitization, and offloading the risk onto someone else. Securitization created subprime, not the other way around. Conventional propaganda/wisdom to the contrary, nobody from the Federal Government help a gun to the head of the bankster’s kid, and made him loan $800K to $20k/year strawberry pickers.
Follow the money!!!!!!
“…sales would drop to zero without government intervention…”
Nah…prices would drop to equilibrium, after which sales would increase.
Does anyone remember NHZ from Holland? He predicted all of these things 5 years ago. I wish he would come back and give us a progress report. He was spot on, IMHO, at least in some cases.
if i remember it right he was also predicting this to happen on the netherland for the past 20 years by now.
“At the worst of the Depression, nearly 10 percent of homes were in foreclosure.”
I guess it is much better this time, by comparison. For example, only 1 in 44 Nevada homes have received a foreclosure notice.
Nevada
October 27, 2011, 4:45 PM EDT
Nevada: A Cold Streak for Real Estate
Despair and anger over the highest unemployment rate and the worst housing market were behind a close Obama-Romney poll in August
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Escoto’s plight is shared by thousands in the state with the nation’s highest unemployment rate—13.4 percent—and the worst housing market. One in every 44 Nevada homes has received a foreclosure notice, according to RealtyTrac, a data seller in Irvine, Calif. Real estate prices in Las Vegas are down 59 percent from their 2006 peak, another dubious national record. Some 60 percent of home mortgages in the state are underwater, again leading the nation, according to research firm CoreLogic (CLGX).
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Only because the government is helping the banking industry to keep a shadow inventory this time around.
+1 Agreed.
“A wave of foreclosures resulted–typically 250,000 per year between 1931 and 1935.”
By contrast, recent bank repossessions have run at 1 million a year or so.
Adjusted for population Professor?
Not adjusted for either population or for extraordinary levels of government intervention this time around…
Population in the ’30s approx 130 million, so we are doing lots worser than them!
‘In short, there was massive price deflation and a foreclosure death spiral — eerily like today’s — before the federal government ever got involved in the mortgage business.’
I’m quite skeptical of what this article may omit; for instance, what was the Fed up to in the years from 1913 through 1930 that may have helped set the stage for a real estate collapse?
“At what point will the residents declare war on the politicians and demand a stop to this nonsense? Where are all these new residents going to work? Where are all these residents going to park? How is this increase in new commuters [see where are these residents going to work] going to make our air and traffic quality better?”
The same questions need to be asked in Arizona.
“Many residents of La Quinta, Palm Desert and Indio are also paying more than $2,000 a month on their mortgages, an amount that reflects higher interest rates and houses purchased at the height of the market in the mid-2000s.”
These FB lose twice:
1) underwater homes.
2) they probably have no sustainable water for lawns, for home use or for their cars.
In the desert, San Bernadino, and Riverside many developers built houses and then asked for “permission” from the cities later. People “bought” their
homes, and found out that there wasn’t enough water for everybody.
to repeat an unvarnished truth often seen here:
Realtors ARE LIARS.
Why do people think they need to continue paying unaffordable mortgages “for the sake of the kids”. If you can cut your payment in half (by renting instead of mortgaging), thereby allowing mom to stay home with the four kids, then aren’t the kids better off?
If you can cut your payment in half (by renting instead of mortgaging), thereby allowing mom to stay home with the four kids, then aren’t the kids better off?
That’s a good point, but I think people gave up on that a long time ago. Now they’re just doing it for the school/address/neighborhood on the assumption that wherever they end up won’t be nearly as nice. I don’t think that have any hope (or even desire?) that mom can/will stay home if they give up the house. I think people also think it’s going to come back any day, and those who held out will be rewarded for it.
Home prices heading for triple-dip
By Les Christie October 31, 2011: 11:56 AM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — The besieged housing market has even further to fall before home prices really hit rock bottom.
According to Fiserv (FISV), a financial analytics company, home values are expected to fall another 3.6% by next June, pushing them to a new low of 35% below the peak reached in early 2006 and marking a triple dip in prices.
Several factors will be working against the housing market in the upcoming months, including an increase in foreclosure activity and sustained high unemployment, explained David Stiff, Fiserv’s chief economist.
Should home values meet Fiserv’s expectations, it would make it the third (and lowest) trough for home prices since the housing bubble burst.
The first post-bubble bottom was hit in 2009, when prices fell to 31% below peak. The First-Time Homebuyer Credit helped perk prices up by mid-2010, but by the time the credit expired, prices fell again.
In the second dip, which was reached last winter, prices were down 33% before staging a mild rally that was artificially spurred as banks slowed the processing of foreclosures following the robo-signing scandal, which found that loan servicers were rapidly signing foreclosures without properly vetting them.
Now that the scandal is mostly resolved, lenders are speeding more cases through the foreclosure pipeline and back onto the market, weighing on home prices even further.
Earlier this month, RealtyTrac reported the first quarterly increase in foreclosure filings in three quarters. Even more discouraging: new default notices were up 14%.
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