November 1, 2011

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 04:53:13

Crony Capitalism Comes Home

By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: October 26, 2011

Whenever I write about Occupy Wall Street, some readers ask me if the protesters really are half-naked Communists aiming to bring down the American economic system when they’re not doing drugs or having sex in public.

The answer is no.

To put it another way, this is a chance to save capitalism from crony capitalists.

But, in recent years, some financiers have chosen to live in a government-backed featherbed. Their platform seems to be socialism for tycoons and capitalism for the rest of us. They’re not evil at all. But when the system allows you more than your fair share, it’s human to grab. That’s what explains featherbedding by both unions and tycoons, and both are impediments to a well-functioning market economy.

When I lived in Asia and covered the financial crisis there in the late 1990s, American government officials spoke scathingly about “crony capitalism” in the region. As Lawrence Summers, then a deputy Treasury secretary, put it in a speech in August 1998: “In Asia, the problems related to ‘crony capitalism’ are at the heart of this crisis, and that is why structural reforms must be a major part” of the International Monetary Fund’s solution.

The American critique of the Asian crisis was correct. The countries involved were nominally capitalist but needed major reforms to create accountability and competitive markets.

Capitalism is so successful an economic system partly because of an internal discipline that allows for loss and even bankruptcy. It’s the possibility of failure that creates the opportunity for triumph. Yet many of America’s major banks are too big to fail, so they can privatize profits while socializing risk.

The upshot is that financial institutions boost leverage in search of supersize profits and bonuses. Banks pretend that risk is eliminated because it’s securitized. Rating agencies accept money to issue an imprimatur that turns out to be meaningless. The system teeters, and then the taxpayer rushes in to bail bankers out. Where’s the accountability?

It’s not just rabble-rousers at Occupy Wall Street who are seeking to put America’s capitalists on a more capitalist footing.

“Structural change is necessary,” Paul Volcker, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve, said in an important speech last month that discussed many of these themes. He called for more curbs on big banks, possibly including trimming their size, and he warned that otherwise we’re on a path of “increasingly frequent, complex and dangerous financial breakdowns.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/27/opinion/kristof-crony-capitalism-comes-homes.html - -

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-11-01 05:45:32

Well lets see is schmucko Jon Corzine will voluntarily give back his 12.1 Million parachute for bankrupting a 200 year old company in what 19 months?

Comment by 2banana
2011-11-01 06:06:46

“give back?”

He should be in jail for comingling funds.

And all his assets stripped.

However - he is a big obama supporter so harm, no foul.

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-11-01 06:34:24

Oh my…(looks like no jail).

Bam recruits Corzine to woo back Wall $t.
By JOSH MARGOLIN - July 5, 2011 - NY POst

President Obama is desperately putting his Wall Street stock in an unlikely old buddy.

The beleaguered president has recruited former Goldman Sachs head honcho Jon Corzine to shore up re-election funds from the banking industry, which is furious over Obama’s financial regulations.

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Corzine To Obama: If I Raise Enough Cash, Can I Have A Job?
Christopher Robbins - July 5, 2011 - gothamist.com

Obama may have raised as much as $75 million in the second quarter of 2011 thanks to Corzine, who in April hosted a reelection fundraiser in his Fifth Avenue apartment that sold out two weeks in advance and raised $2 million. Corzine also “aggressively worked the phone lines and the cocktail party circuit” because it could earn him a cherry job with Obama after the election. Treasury Secretary Geithner is said to be announcing his departure before the election, and Corzine would fill the role of Wall Street protector and “reformer” nicely.

Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 07:10:18

Didn’t Obama all try this “employ the insider” schtick with Summers only to see it backfire? We don’t need another Wall Street insider to worm into the White House only to quietly enrich their cocktail buddies. What we need is an insider who promises to enirch his cocktail buddies, only to use his connections and knowledge to turn traitor and get medieval on the 1%. I don’t know much about Corzine (D — former gov of New Jersey).

But I do like that “the banking industry is furious over Obama’s financial regulations.” That shows that the regulations are working.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 09:15:09

But I do like that “the banking industry is furious over Obama’s financial regulations.” That shows that the regulations are working.

Regulations that make people in the banking industry furious? Cool! I love it! Makes me feel less grouchy this morning!

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-11-01 15:05:21

You have backwards. Wall St. employs DC insiders.

Get it now?

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 07:24:15

Isn’t there some kind of award for Gollum Sucks alums who crash companies to the ground the fastest?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 09:17:25

If not, there should be!

And I think that the trophy should prominently feature a piece from the charred wreckage of a car crash. Or a plane crash.

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Comment by Neuromance
2011-11-01 12:08:06

I think there is. It’s a ratio - (size of golden parachute) to (speed at which company destroyed).

The highest ratio win the awards for the year or something. Of course, there’s a hall of fame I’m sure too :)

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Comment by butters
2011-11-01 08:46:40

He’s more incompetent than Obama and more WallStreet than Romney and Cain combined.

Corzine for President!

 
 
Comment by michael
2011-11-01 06:51:32

“…really are half-naked Communists aiming to bring down the American economic system when they’re not doing drugs or having sex in public.”

just like the tea partiers are not just a bunch of backwoods, inbread, gun totin’, bible thumpin’, racists idiots.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-11-01 07:13:26

at least not until Sarah Palin showed up.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 10:07:22

ziiiiiiiiiiiiinggggggggggggggggggggg….. (exeter™)

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Comment by goon squad
2011-11-01 07:25:06

The Tea Party vs. OWS was created entirely by the corporate media. Conflict = ratings, it’s that simple…

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 07:30:45

BINGO

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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-11-01 07:45:25

‘Conflict = ratings’

I don’t think it is that simple. Do you believe this media control by a few mega-corporations is so they can sell more ads for Rice a Roni?

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Comment by goon squad
2011-11-01 08:03:27

Despite the ‘movement’s’ original intentions, the Tea Party has been astroturfed. The Tea Party is now safe.

With corporate Democrats and wealthy ‘activists’ like Jesse Jackson and Michael Moore attempting to hijack OWS, it has become a convenient target of opposition/hatred for the Tea Party.

If the two movements could recognize their commonalities and resist the corporate media’s framing of the message/conflict, that could develop into a trajectory for real change. I don’t see that happening anytime soon with this…

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2011-11-01 10:29:14

I say you need a 10 year repeal of lobbying . When the Political system becomes so corrupted that lobbying self interest groups supercede even National Security and
the future of the Beehive ,than extreme measures are necessary .

Currently the system is such that the Money people can put anybody they want in and be assured that their interest will be protected .

We have already see the mess we got in by this lack of balance in the economic systems and how destructive it has been for most the American population .

The Monopolies are way to big these days ,and whatever happened to the Government busting Monopolies . For instance the Medical monopoly combined with the Medical Insurance monopoly is so big and corrupted that its a joke .The food industry monopolies are getting huge ,and we all know about the financial to big to fall . The China manufacturing and other foreign manufacturing
is so huge that a USA based Company can’t compete with that anymore . Mom and Pop stores are dying on the vone . Proper tariffs and trade balances were not done in the best interest of this Country to the point we are losing our job base and our tax base . All this so big Multi National Corporations and Financial Globe trotting
industries and all the other Monopolies can make a greater amount of money ,while the American people
fall into greater poverty and financial burden .

Of course the upper 10% doesn’t want any change to this stacked deck . Killer bees in the BEEHIVE is how I see it .

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 11:23:01

“I say you need a 10 year repeal of lobbying.”

But wouldn’t that be the kiss of death for DC’s economic boom?

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-11-01 12:22:37

A ten year repeal. Yep, and who’s gonna pass the law that makes lobbying illegal? Oh yeah, CONgress, the very guys who benefit from it. You bet’cha.

Of course, in addition to corporations and Wall Street, such a repeal would also cover lobbying by unions, AARP, NRA, NEA (oops, that’s a union), etc.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 14:54:08

You forgot the biggest crooks of all. NAR, MBA and NAHB.

 
Comment by polly
2011-11-01 16:05:56

Unconstitutional.

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2011-11-01 11:01:36

I took a bus home the weekend of the big tea pary rally. The people around DC who looked a little out of place were not back woods anythings as far as I could tell. They were elderly couples quietly sitting in luxury motor coaches while waiting to exit to a near by hotel. I saw a few people in shorts (with pulled up socks) and polo shirts and baseball caps waiting for service in some Dupont Circle wine bars/cafes. They also looked to be part of the over 60 crowd.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 12:17:59

I saw a few people in shorts (with pulled up socks) and polo shirts and baseball caps waiting for service in some Dupont Circle wine bars/cafes.

If they were aware that Dupont Circle is the center of the DC gay community, I don’t think they’d be there.

OTOH, I have an over-60 straight friend who lives in Dupont Circle for part of each year. (She spends her winters in Tucson.)

She’s in a condo building where a good portion of the people are gay men. She absolutely adores them. Wouldn’t give ‘em up as neighbors for the world. And she doesn’t come down to Tucson until after the High Heels Race has happened.

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Comment by polly
2011-11-01 16:08:10

I think they were there because it is fairly close to the Mall where the protests took place. Not as close as downtown, but close enough.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 04:53:59

Realtors Are Liars®

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-11-01 04:57:22

I don’t see this type of enterprise as lasting too long. I just don’t think the numbers are going to be there for her. But she is after all fulfilling her lifelong dream. Gotta wonder how Dad would have felt about this investment w/the money he left for her.

“Susan Beattie Howolchak’s lifelong dream has been to open a school for healthy living with classes that range from clowning to Chinese energy medicine, and from massage therapy for horses to meditation.

She started to fulfill that dream late this summer, when she opened The Beattie Sanctuary at her 27-acre estate in the rolling hills of Pompey on Cazenovia Road. Her school offers classes in yoga and Qigong, cooking, flower arranging, meditation, cake decorating and Chinese energy medicine.”

“Howolchak and other family members bought the $575,000 Pompey home in November 2010 as part of a living trust set up by Howolchak’s father, Richard Beattie, who died four years ago. Her 80-year-mother lives in nearby Hamilton.

The trust is a key part of the family’s estate planning, and Howolchak said it gave her the financial security and freedom to set up the school.”

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/11/the_beattie_sanctuary_in_pompe.html

Comment by 2banana
2011-11-01 06:08:56

I guess starting small in your own converted garage (for a few hundred dollars) just doesn’t appeal to some people…

They will call themselves “victims” in a few years…

 
Comment by CrackerBob
2011-11-01 06:16:43

“Chinese energy medicine”

Give me a break! Can’t we just manufacture something and sell it.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-01 06:47:32

Clowning, horse massage, cake decorating…

Gonna have an interesting faculty. Sounds like something from a John Irving novel.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-11-01 07:01:08

Sounds like something from a John Irving novel.

LOL…I just got the idea when reading about her background that this woman’s been forever trying to “find herself”. The board initially denied her a license to operate because her business plan was so all over the place. She went to court to get them to revisit the application but they got her to narrow down her focus.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-11-01 08:09:16

So now the GOVERNMENT has the expertise to analyze the viability of a business plan and can deny a business license based on that analysis? We’re not talking about a review of its legality, we’re talking about a review of its viability.

Wake up, people! The boot on your neck will soon be crushing your larynx.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 09:24:50

LOL…I just got the idea when reading about her background that this woman’s been forever trying to “find herself”. The board initially denied her a license to operate because her business plan was so all over the place. She went to court to get them to revisit the application but they got her to narrow down her focus.

Oh, brother. One of those.

Operating in the circles that I do, I’ve run into more than one person who’s in chronic finding oneself mode. And it’s very difficult to deal with them due to their lack of focus. They’re forever going off on this, that, and the other tangent.

What’s really sad is that, quite often, they’re lovely people. Good manners. Cheerful attitude. Enthusiasm. All that good stuff.

But, over time, their inability to focus on anything that might resemble setting a specific goal, then taking steps to accomplish it, drives people away. And then they turn into very unhappy, desperate people.

I wish that there were an effective treatment for this sort of thing, but I don’t know of one.

 
Comment by polly
2011-11-01 09:56:33

Bill, the government wasn’t deciding whethere it was viable or not. It was deciding if the use of the building was OK. The article didn’t use the actual word, but it sounds entirely like a zoning issue. Maybe some parking stuff as well.

Would you want someone to open a circus elephant training facility on the property next door? What about a school with no parking lot that meant that 100 or more cars would be parked on your street between 3 and 10 every weekday and all day on weekends? Towns do space planning. They have since the first time someone built a wall around one and probably earlier than that. Not a big deal.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-11-01 10:21:12

The charming ones usually have money. Those that don’t are homeless.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-11-01 12:26:13

So it was a zoning compliance review and not a review of the business plan per se. Thanks for clearing that up Polly.

 
Comment by polly
2011-11-01 16:12:22

As I said, they didn’t use zoning in the article. But the person they interviewed said they needed to know what they were actually going to be doing there. That sounds like a planning board to me. And, as I said, possibly something to do with parking. The guy said nothing about reviewing financials.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-11-01 18:41:27

“Bill…Would you want someone to open a circus elephant training facility on the property next door?”

LOL

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 07:13:32

Where’s the pour-your-own-candle class?

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Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-11-01 07:03:21

Should turn out to be an excellent tax write-off, at least.

Comment by Robin
2011-11-01 16:57:40

No mortgage=No depreciation.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 09:19:53

A school for healthy living? Whatever happened to paying attention in that health class back in grade school? Or going to the library and checking out books on nutrition? Or going to the park and taking a walk?

Yeesh. I can see going to school to learn a lot of things, but healthy living’s not one of them.

Comment by ahansen
2011-11-01 09:46:10

“School for healthy living”= Funny Farm.

Remember underwater basket-weaving…?

Comment by polly
2011-11-01 11:42:24

This time it seems more like school for healthy living = fun stuff that I can’t believe people will pay me to do.

The ROI on this thing is going to be a disaster. But if you are rich and don’t care about getting any more, it doesn’t matter that much, does it?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-01 12:28:38

“fun stuff that I can’t believe people will pay me to do.”

LOL I’m thinking of becoming a kitten and puppy masseuse.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2011-11-01 05:31:23

“When somebody shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” - Maya Angelou

On November 5 the OWS folks wants their followers to withdraw their money from the big banks. At this point - with all that is known about these banks - why is any OWS follower’s money still there?

Why is it there has to be some sort of set date for people to act in herd fashion to do what they should have been doing all along as individuals?

Everyone has a vote that they use everyday and this vote is called the dollar and this vote is cast every time one of these dollars is spent or deposited in a bank - or not deposited in a bank. But people - acting as lemmings - need some sort of movement to get them to cast their votes in blocks so as to “make a statement” when all the time they could have been making a statement as individuals.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-11-01 05:53:05

I generally agree with what you’re saying. But it should be mentioned that reality isn’t always what it seems, and the facts suggest why a free country can’t seem to move forward, even when there is agreement about a problem. Here’s a new book:

‘From the nation’s beginnings, the law was to be the great equalizer in American life, the guarantor of a common set of rules for all. But over the past four decades, the principle of equality before the law has been effectively abolished. Instead, a two-tiered system of justice ensures that the country’s political and financial class is virtually immune from prosecution, licensed to act without restraint…’

‘Starting with Watergate, continuing on through the Iran-Contra scandal, and culminating with Obama’s shielding of Bush-era officials from prosecution, Glenn Greenwald lays bare the mechanisms that have come to shield the elite from accountability. He shows how the media, both political parties, and the courts have abetted a process that has produced torture, war crimes, domestic spying, and financial fraud.’

http://us.macmillan.com/withlibertyandjusticeforsome/GlennGreenwald

Just one example from the book that shows how this works:

‘Given the clarity of this law [Article 2 of the Convention Against Torture] and its multiple reiterations, what can explain the resolve of the political and media class to ignore it? Why do ostensibly adverse factions leap to one another’s defense even in cases of egregious criminality, with Democrats shielding Republicans, media figures demanding no transparency or accountability for political officials, self-proclaimed populist politicians devoting themselves to the protection of Wall Street?’

‘One easy answer is that those factions are not really adversaries, at least not in any way that counts. All their members belong to the same class — the powerful and the elite — and thus are motivated, as discussed, to defend an immunity that they might one day need themselves.’

http://original.antiwar.com/glenn-greenwald/2011/10/31/americas-elites-look-out-for-each-other/

I once heard the political system in the US described as being like professional wrestling. Elaborate battles, heated exchanges, glorious victories and defeats. You might have seen people watching this like it’s real.

That’s how I feel when the media/govt twists things around, pitting one group against another, while those who know it’s an act are drowned out by the noise.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 06:22:24

The trouble with studio wrestling as government is that there are real consequences for the spectators.

 
Comment by palmetto
2011-11-01 06:55:13

Thank you, Ben. This is what I am referring to when I say that the rule of law has been perverted.

 
Comment by measton
2011-11-01 07:16:22

See yesterdays post about corporate giving for judicial elections, and read up on the Massey Coal case. The rot extends very deep. To some extent this has been going on for ever, but when more of hte people controlled the wealth and industries were not dominated by 1-3 players but by multiple companies there were conflicting demands. As wealth is concentrated, as industries consolidate the lobbying and bribes stear the country in one direction and that’s to satisfy the greed of the elite. Combine that with the destruction of unions and the middle class and the consolidation of the media and you have a system that is designed of by and for the elite.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 07:28:07

“the destruction of unions and the middle class”

Both have a half life roughly equivalent to the fake prosperity of a credit expansion.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-01 07:56:09

Are you saying the existence of a middle class is only made possible by fake prosperity?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 08:53:46

Not in absolute terms. I’m suggesting that the size of the middle class is a measure of prosperity of the whole society and that fake prosperity only swells their ranks temporarily. The implication is that most of my generation who moved up into the middle class were fortunate riders of the fake. Being middle class (having a surplus) isn’t something nature guarantees, it is something nature abhors.

 
Comment by Montana
2011-11-01 09:39:54

I think that besides student loan debt, one of the main drivers of OWS and tea party is the loss of fake wealth in the middle class.

It has to be someone else’s fault.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-01 10:03:24

“the loss of fake wealth in the middle class.

It has to be someone else’s fault.”

I believe they are saying it is the fault of the 1%, who sold our job base to China, and replaced it with the false wealth of easy credit.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 10:09:15

I believe they are saying it is the fault of the 1%, who sold our job base to China, and replaced it with the false wealth of easy credit.

That pretty well sums up what I’m hearing from Occupiers and their kindred-spirit bloggers here in Tucson.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-01 10:11:05

“Being middle class… is something nature abhors.”

I agree, because in nature, the Big Boyz will seize a disproportionate share of any surplus, as we are seeing today.

In history, middle classes often arise at the barrel of a gun (or spear). The hoplite phalanx (when the number of lightly-armored citizens one could field determined military success), the English longbow (the affordable weapon that gave England its military dominance at the time- and could shoot an arrow through the armor of a high-born knight), the sheer numbers of returning combat veterans after WW2- all marked periods of a strong middle class, and not coincidentally.

The rich don’t part with their money easily- that’s why they’re the rich. Sometimes it takes armed threat and even action.

Experience runs a dear school, but fools will learn in no other.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-01 10:16:02

loss of fake wealth….It has to be someone else’s fault.

I believe they are saying it is the fault of the 1%, who sold our job base to China, and replaced it with the false wealth of easy credit.

Yes. A full time job with health/dental/vision insurance, 3 weeks vacation and a pension was not “fake wealth”. It was real wealth - the type that keeps on giving. Jobs were the wealth and good jobs are the wealth.

Who’s fault is it that millions of these type jobs are GONE?
The former employees? The kid who studied hard to get one of those jobs but now asks “do you want fries with that”? This blaming the victim stuff is getting old and denies the reality of the past 30 years.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 10:18:12

fake prosperity? ;-)

Granite Lime$tone

The 10-year-old home has 4,800 square feet of space and is adorned with “high-end finishes,” the listing states. Among them, hardwood and limestone flooring, limestone counters, a gourmet kitchen, Venetian plaster walls, custom beamed and sea grass ceilings, a formal dining room and a separate office with built-ins

NBA player buys $3 million Newport Coast home:
November 1st, 2011 / OC Register / posted by Jeff Collins

Former Los Angeles Clipper Corey Maggette has become at least the second NBA player to buy a home in the Orange County hills overlooking the Newport Beach coastline.

Public records show that the 6-foot-6 Maggette, 31, paid $3 million for a five-bedroom, 5 1/2-bathroom home with a canyon view near the top of Newport Coast.

The home is relatively close to two Pelican Ridge homes owned by Lakers star Kobe Bryant as well as a in Pelican Crest house under construction that Bryant is believed to have purchased.

It may be more than coincidence that both Maggette and Bryant bought homes in Newport Coast.

One website published photos showing the two on a ride together at Six Flags Magic Mountain, and both reportedly have had the same agent: Robert T. Pelinka. (Pelinka is listed as the trustee for the Pelican Crest home Bryant is believed to have purchased.)

Further reading:

Mega-mansion sellers stand pat:
October 31st, 2011 / posted by Jon Lansner

As autumn came to Orange County, sellers of its real estate’s upper crust stood still.

Our tracking of Redfin com’s list of Orange County most expensive homes for sale — eyeballing the market for mega-mansions, villas priced at $20 million and above — shows no change in what’s officially on the market or at what price. The same eight were for sale in October as in September. Total mega-mansions for sale was nine in August vs. eight in July and 11 in June.

As of October 30, our latest mega-mansion tally …

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 13:09:07

This blaming the victim stuff is getting old and denies the reality of the past 30 years.

Blaming the victim is just a variant of hating the poor. It’s an All American value. It’s probably why those prosperity Gospel churches are so popular now. It’s how God Fearing Americans can hate the poor and know they are saved.

 
 
 
Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-11-01 08:04:26

The author spoke here last Friday. Sorry now that I missed it.

 
Comment by WPHR_editor
2011-11-01 13:32:33

Thanks Ben. You’re not alone - some of us understand that it’s like Pro Wrestling. It’s good you have a place here for us to congregate, and though on the surface this may seem off topic it isn’t - everything we’re discussing here is wrapped around real estate and is the reason for the bubble being allowed to inflate in the first place.

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-11-01 22:26:15

You and Glenn G are my heroes. True patriotism trumps ideology every time.

 
 
Comment by polly
2011-11-01 11:20:06

“Why is it there has to be some sort of set date for people to act in herd fashion to do what they should have been doing all along as individuals?”

If you do it on the same day, or at least request it on the same day, you can show the business that a large portion of the requests coming in on that day are a direct result of a particular action.

That being said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/02/business/bank-of-america-drops-plan-for-debit-card-fee.html?hpw

Bank of America is dropping plans for the fee. Don’t know if the demonstrators will cancel the call for “bank transfer day.”

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2011-11-01 18:45:46

“On November 5 the OWS folks wants their followers to withdraw their money from the big banks. At this point - with all that is known about these banks - why is any OWS follower’s money still there?”

I left Bank of America two years ago, never to return to any big bank. I tell anyone and everyone I know, and encourage them to do the same. Starve these pigs and they WILL die.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 20:22:28

never to return to any big bank. I tell anyone and everyone I know, and encourage them to do the same. Starve these pigs and they WILL die.

Awe$ome attitude! ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 05:37:24

A closely-watched pot never boils over.

Home prices heading for triple-dipBy Les Christie
October 31, 2011: 11:56 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — The besieged housing market has even further to fall before home prices really hit rock bottom.

According to Fiserv (FISV), a financial analytics company, home values are expected to fall another 3.6% by next June, pushing them to a new low of 35% below the peak reached in early 2006 and marking a triple dip in prices.

Several factors will be working against the housing market in the upcoming months, including an increase in foreclosure activity and sustained high unemployment, explained David Stiff, Fiserv’s chief economist.

Should home values meet Fiserv’s expectations, it would make it the third (and lowest) trough for home prices since the housing bubble burst.

The first post-bubble bottom was hit in 2009, when prices fell to 31% below peak. The First-Time Homebuyer Credit helped perk prices up by mid-2010, but by the time the credit expired, prices fell again.

In the second dip, which was reached last winter, prices were down 33%before staging a mild rally that was artificially spurred as banks slowed the processing of foreclosures following the robo-signing scandal, which found that loan servicers were rapidly signing foreclosures without properly vetting them.

Now that the scandal is mostly resolved, lenders are speeding more cases through the foreclosure pipeline and back onto the market, weighing on home prices even further.

Earlier this month, RealtyTrac reported the first quarterly increase in foreclosure filings in three quarters. Even more discouraging: new default notices were up 14%.

There’s also a “shadow inventory” of homes in foreclosure that have yet to go back onto the market.

The specter that those foreclosed homes could flood the market at any time and drive prices significantly lower is a huge concern, said Mark Dotzour, an economist for Texas A&M University. “That’s the elephant in the room,” he said, noting that there are 6 million home currently in shadow inventory.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 05:49:16

Prices are heading down and have been since 2006.

Why is ReaItor encouraging people to buy while prices are falling?

Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 05:59:20

To get them to stop falling?

Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 06:00:46

Not that it will work, there aren’t enough fence sitters to make a difference.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 09:53:26

“Not that it will work, there aren’t enough fence sitters to make a difference.”

I can get house prices to stop falling. I am going to do it tomorow morning. First I will go down to the beach and stop the sun from coming up, then I will stop the tide from coming in and after I am done with that I will stop house prices from falling.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 07:29:45

With so many broke people unable to afford 2006 pricing, it won’t work.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2011-11-01 06:06:24

My kids need shoes i need a new tranny,( transmission not the switch dresser kind).. the water heater busted, and i need to find a mark so i can git me mi komissuhn…nowz a gud time 2 buy prizes will never bee dis loe agin.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 06:22:20

Colo…. are you ReaItor? ReaItor needs to answer the question.

Comment by butters
2011-11-01 06:53:15

He plays one on TV…..

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 08:45:46

Colo…. are you ReaItor? ReaItor needs to answer the question.

Heaven forbid! I’m an Engineer.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-11-01 06:24:40

They’ve their own monster mortgage to feed.

Why is ReaItor encouraging people to buy while prices are falling?

Comment by butters
2011-11-01 06:54:31

And that luxury car.

I have never seen a Realtor in a beat-up car.

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 08:54:27

I have been told that a beater means you are a “failure” as a Realtor

 
Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-11-01 11:05:46

Mine had a 76 Caddy that overheated while out looking for homes in 1989. Why we let these clowns take 6% is just nuts!
He did give me a bottle of champagne when we closed, so I guess I got a partial refund.

 
Comment by Robin
2011-11-01 17:08:26

Korbel?

 
 
 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-11-01 07:08:56

Why is ReaItor encouraging people to buy while prices are falling?

Like the scorpion in the fable, it’s simply their nature.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 07:20:51

Obvious answer — they need people to buy so that they can collect the 3% commission from the seller’s agent. That’s their income. Now of course, they should have made microeconomic Keynesian hay while the sun shone in 2005 in anticpation of seven skinny cows, but they didn’t and that’s that. They gotta make a living.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 07:29:35

I’m asking ReaItor for an answer. Answer the question.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-11-01 08:13:50

??? Is there another Realtor on this blog?

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 08:21:08

ANSWER it.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 08:56:14

Feeling Aggressive and self righteous this morning?

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 08:57:40

Not at all. Realtor. Why won’t you answer the question?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-01 09:12:43

Realtor. Why won’t you answer the question?

Who are you addressing??

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-11-01 09:17:55

OK, I’m stumped too. Is there a mystery realtor lurking here? (Not that there’s anything wrong with that)…

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 09:20:05

ReaItor

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 10:04:42

Alright, I don`t know what`s going on but this has me so upset I am going down to a Re/Max office and waterboard them until I get the answer to….

“Why is ReaItor encouraging people to buy while prices are falling?”

How does one “waterboard” anyway?

 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 11:52:51

Maybe he thinks *I’m* the realtor???? :?:

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 12:25:22

No, he thinks it’s me. I’m no fan of realtors, but his obsession with them strikes me as being very unhealthy.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-11-01 12:36:53

Maybe his mama was a realtor and she was never around for him.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 12:41:31

I’ll rephrase it so I’m clear.

Prices are heading down and have been since 2006.

ReaItor. Why are you encouraging people to buy while prices are falling?

 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 14:30:38

Maybe he’s trying to lure a known lurker out of hiding?

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 14:41:04

Jeez you guys. It’s a question for realtor. Either they tell the truth or they lie. But it’s a simple question that has gone unanswered and needs to be answered by ReaItor. Unless you’re a realtor or a troll, don’t answer. If you don’t understand, I don’t know what to tell you because I can’t explain it. Polly would understand and maybe she can explain.

 
Comment by polly
2011-11-01 16:22:50

Sorry. I’m a little stumped by this exchange as well.

I think (think) that maybe RAL thinks In Colorado is a Realtor and wants him to answer a Realtor challenge question - Why has real estate been going down since 2006? This being a question that anyone who understands the bubble could answer easily, but a Realtor couldn’t.

But I have no idea why RAL thinks Colorado is a Realtor. None. And it took the entire exchange to get even this much. Earlier in the day I was just baffled.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 16:49:51

“Jeez you guys. It’s a question for realtor. Either they tell the truth or they lie”

You should have told me that before I poured that bucket of water on that Re/Max agent.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 17:10:54

I give up. lol.

No I don’t think CO is a ReaItor. Look brothers and sisters. Realtor(meaning the industry) needs to answer this question. ReaItor either incriminates himself by telling the truth OR Realtor denies it and is forced to lie(again). There is no easy way to deal with it. There is no excuse to not answer because it’s a simple question. By not answer at all, the negative sentiment grows. No way out. It’s also a technique we use to corner contractors in project meetings.

I thought Polly might understand it’s use.

 
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2011-11-01 20:44:23
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 22:08:58

“The Realtor answers:”

That video will make you think twice about ever talking to Realtor again…

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-11-01 22:41:41

THAT is a wonderful vid. Thanx!

LOL

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 09:27:12

Why is ReaItor encouraging people to buy while prices are falling?

Because Realtor want commission check very badly. Realtor very broke without it.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 12:31:19

That too. But think about it. Realtors hate falling prices because people stop buying when that happens, and buy when they are rising.

My brother was trying to unload a house in Winston-Salem 3 years ago and it wasn’t moving. I told him to undercut all the comps. His realtor tried to talk him out of it. Why would she do that? Lowering the price (which he insisted on) did sell the house, but she fought it tooth and nail, insisting that he was making a mistake.

They definitely want the commissions, but they also want prices to rise again. Of course they are pushing on a string when it comes to that.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2011-11-01 12:46:20

Realtors hate falling prices because people stop buying when that happens, and buy when they are rising.

So you would think the ones that recognize prices can’t go to the moon would prefer a sawtooth function where the drops would happen almost instantly and all the rest of the time could be spent in a rising-prices environment.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 13:17:23

I don’t know

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 09:55:23

“Why is ReaItor encouraging people to buy while prices are falling?”

Better buy now, prices will never be this high again!

Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-11-01 11:07:41

“Buy now while rates are at record lows” is my favorite. The forget to tell you part B, that prices drop when rates go up.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-01 13:35:19

Here. I’m not a realtor but if the house is cheaper than renting, your job is stable, you plan on staying there for 7-10 years min, you put 20% down, you have savings to cover a year’s expense, you love fixing stuff, you don’t care if you lose some money, and you hate renting, I encourage you to buy a house. Buy it. Buy the house. There’s more to live than your balance sheet.

What’s the big deal?

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 14:32:51

“What’s the big deal?”

The big deal is I have not had a report on the Unknown Comic in months.

The Unknown Comic - YouTube
14 Jun 2006 … I hit the web looking for video on one of the greatest comic …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj3Q9l9Ivng - 92k -

 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 14:42:54

Hmm, let’s see

1. House is cheaper than renting: check.
2. Job is stable: check.
3. Plan on staying 7 years: check.
4. 20% down: half-check
5. Savings to cover a year: half-check
6. Love fixing stuff: hmmm… I want stuff to be fixed, not sure I “love” to fix it. half-check
7. Don’t care if you lose money: IMO not valid*
8. Hate renting: check.

So I’m batting 5.5/7.

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*Waiting, say, 2.5 years for prices to crash means that houses would have to fall about $60K (25%) for someone to lose money.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 17:24:03

Here is the act that did the Gong Show in.

Gong Show: The Popsicle Twins (aka “Have You Got A Nickle …
14 Oct 2010 … From September 1977; aired in the East Coast, never made it to the West Coast…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDxDYIQL6Nc - 86k -

 
 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-11-01 06:20:26

The specter that those foreclosed homes could flood the market at any time and drive prices significantly lower is a huge concern, said Mark Dotzour, an economist for Texas A&M University. “That’s the elephant in the room,” he said, noting that there are 6 million home currently in shadow inventory.

The problem for you is worse than that, Prof. Dotzour. Any buyer that’s been paying attention at all is starting to know about the shadow inventory and we don’t want to buy before it surfaces. People like us fear we’ll be overpaying and inevitably upside down ourselves if we buy now. So as long as we feel you’re withholding inventory, you’ve got a stand-off.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 05:41:31

It’s turtles all the way down…until the turtles down at the bottom of the chain refuse to pay.

The euro zone crisis
The magic money tree
Oct 31st 2011, 12:37 by Buttonwood

IT IS hardly surprising that the markets are having second thoughts about last week’s euro zone rescue deal. The scale of the relief rally on Thursday was surely prompted by the fact that some deal was done, not by the (sketchy) details of the deal itself.

Take the three aspects of the deal - Greek debt write-down, bank recapitalisation and the boosting of the firepower of the EFSF. On Greece, a 50% writedown of debt is what many people had called for. But this is just a write-down of private sector debt (even then it’s not clear whether this can be achieved on a voluntary basis). A lot of Greek debt is now owned by official bodies who are not willing to take a write-down at all. So Greece will still be left with an 120% debt-to-GDP ratio by 2020, a level that looks unsustainable. The word “solution” hardly seems to apply.

Any Greek write-down would hit the banks which is why recapitalisation is needed. But the €106.5 billion being raised is a lot less than others thought necessary (including the IMF). Nor is it clear from whom the money will be raised or whether the capital ratio will be boosted instead by banks shrinking their balance sheets, a development that would be unhelpful for the European economy.

So we turn to the EFSF. Here is the biggest problem facing European leaders; they want to let Greece default and to stand behind Italy and Spain, without making a specific pledge that would upset their domestic voters.

The EU leaders really desire a magic “money tree” which would come up with a new source of wealth to deal with this issue. The French hoped that the European Central Bank would act as the tree, guaranteeing all Italian and Spanish debt. The Germans vetoed the idea. Of course, the ECB has no “wealth” of its own; European governments stand behind it. So an ECB bailout would be another back-door way of having the rest of the euro-zone support Italy and Spain, but without telling the voters. (The hope was that such an ECB commitment would act as a bazooka that did not need to be used. By itself, ECB backing might push down Italian and Spanish yields and eliminate the funding problem.)

Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-11-01 07:12:00

Is it just me, or is the half-life of these Eurobails (as evidenced by the market rallies and subsequent falls) asymptotically approaching zero?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 07:32:05

Seems to be so…they area already staring into the abyss again immediately following the one passed last week.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 05:43:35

Student loans in America
Nope, just debt
The next big credit bubble?
Oct 29th 2011 | New york | from the print edition

IN LATE 1965, President Lyndon Johnson stood in the modest gymnasium of what had once been the tiny teaching college he attended in Texas and announced a programme to promote education. It was an initiative that exemplified the “Great Society” agenda of his administration: social advancement financed by a little hard cash, lots of leverage and potentially vast implicit government commitments. Those commitments are now coming due.

“Economists tell us that improvement of education has been responsible for one-fourth to one-half of the growth in our nation’s economy over the past half-century,” Johnson said. “We must be sure that there will be no gap between the number of jobs available and the ability of our people to perform those jobs.”
In this section

To fill this gap Johnson pledged an amount that now seems trivial, $1.9m, sent from the federal government to states which could then leverage it ten-to-one to back student loans of up to $1,000 for 25,000 people. “This act”, he promised, “will help young people enter business, trade, and technical schools—institutions which play a vital role in providing the skills our citizens must have to compete and contribute in our society.”

Almost a half-century later these modest steps have metastasised into a huge, federally guaranteed student-loan industry. On October 25th the Obama administration added indebted students to the list of banks, car companies, homeowners, solar manufacturers and others that have benefited from a federal handout.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 06:03:53

Where will this end? $50K per year tuition at the local State U? At what point will prospective students throw their hands up and say “forget it, it’s not worth it anymore”? Especially when they know that all that awaits them are menial P/T Lucky Ducky jobs when they graduate.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-11-01 06:15:53

I think the people at the NY OWS get it….that why they camped out in the snow….I get the sense the only way they will ever pay down the SL debt is when mom and pop die and the kids sell the house….adding more inventory

 
Comment by 2banana
2011-11-01 06:17:38

It is slowly ending already.

There have been several schools around here recently advertising how they are cutting tuition. Many now advertise their affordability.

Many prospective students now to looking to community colleges for the first two years and taking many classes on-line.

The word is out. School debt is not cool anymore.

Let’s face it - except for the top 1% of 1% of colleges (and that is for the networks you create while you are there) no one really cares where you went to college after your first few years on the job.

It is but a ticket to that first job.

And eventually – the US is going to make student loan debt dischargeable in bankruptcy again. And this will kill the college tuition bubble once and for all.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-11-01 06:37:41

And most jobs today…they want to see that piece of paper on your resume before you even get an interview….

It is but a ticket to that first job

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 13:18:54

But is it worth spending (or should I say borrowing) six figures to get a job that that barely pays more than a Lucky Ducky job?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 13:46:25

But is it worth spending (or should I say borrowing) six figures to get a job that that barely pays more than a Lucky Ducky job?

No. And more of our nation’s youth are coming to the same conclusion. To which I say, good for them.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 07:24:22

And eventually – the US is going to make student loan debt dischargeable in bankruptcy again. And this will kill the college tuition bubble once and for all.

Wouldn’t that create moral hazard and encourage students to borrow even more, thus inflating the bubble instead of popping it?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 07:50:08

The key is government guarantees of student loans. Remove that and the loans could be discharged in BK. Lenders would only give modest loans. Tuition would drop dramatically. Schools would figure out how to operate frugally.

A lot of my engineering classes were in an ancient converted office building, bought on the cheap. Many of the teachers were retired professionals. I didn’t need student loans. The real estate empires that are modern colleges are really not necessary. With internet, even more so not necessary.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-11-01 08:21:42

Where does the blame lie?

A) The lenders (first banks, now govt)
B) The institutes of “higher education” LOL
C) The clueless “students”
D) All of the above

 
Comment by polly
2011-11-01 08:37:12

Without a government guarantee of some kind, who would lend anything to an 18 year old about to train for a completely unknown job in an unknown subject area with earning potential at least 3 1/2 but possibly 5 or even 6 years in the future?

I wouldn’t.

It would be the end of the program. And yes, the tuition bubble would pop like the 4 th of July. A handful of schools with the largest endowments would have to change a little but not in a way that made them unrecognizable. Many more would change - a lot. Most of the for profits would have to shut down very quickly.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 09:36:23

The real estate empires that are modern colleges are really not necessary. With internet, even more so not necessary.

I’d recommend a reading of books by Anya Kamenetz on this very topic. Her most recent, The Edupunk’s Guide, is available as a download. Very well worth reading.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 11:30:02

It’s nice to have the Librarian aboard!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 11:42:02

It’s nice to have the Librarian aboard!

Thank you!

Right now, I’m reading Ellen E. Schultz’s book, Retirement Heist: How Companies Plunder and Profit from the Nest Eggs of American Workers.

It’s as scary as it sounds, and, no, the alternative is not to stick workers with a 401k and tell ‘em to become investors. As Joe Nocera recently said, and I’m paraphrasing, “Investing is a talent that most of us will never have.”

 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 11:59:26

Where does the blame lie?
A) The lenders (first banks, now govt)
B) The institutes of “higher education” LOL
C) The clueless “students”
D) The corporations who haven’t hired the graduates
E) All of the above

The answer, honestly, is probably D. If there were jobs for graduates, the grads would pay the money back… eventually (although, $200K is pushing it). If there were jobs for even high-school graduates, then there would be no blame because there would be fewer college students. And if the economic system was stable, the boomers could retire and open up jobs for the graduates. Lots of blame to go around.

 
Comment by Max Power
2011-11-01 12:23:55

“The corporations who haven’t hired the graduates”

Corporations don’t avoid hiring American workers because they’re mean. They offshore jobs to other countries because they make more money that way. And it’s perfectly legal. Expecting corporations to do anything beyond maximize profit is absurd. Our fearless leaders in DC need to step in and change the rules. Make it cheaper to hire here or more expensive to hire elsewhere until jobs start flowing back the other direction. Taxes and subsidies drive behavior. It’s incredibly simple to fix.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-01 13:40:36

Expecting corporations to do anything beyond maximize profit is absurd. Our fearless leaders in DC need to step in and change the rules. Make it cheaper to hire here or more expensive to hire elsewhere until jobs start flowing back the other direction….It’s incredibly simple

Yes it is. But this thought does not even enter the head of many. It’s like it goes against some kind of religion-the religion that the puppet masters of the right have crammed down our throat for 3 decades. 3 decades people, it is not an economic theory people. It is fact. We’ve sowed the wind and are reaping the whirlwind.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 14:48:08

The fact still stands that it’s largely the lack of jobs causing this mess.

As for taxes, Bush lowered taxes and companies offshored anyway. In 2009, I paid more tax than the entire GE did — and I was unemployed! Is GE hiring?

The tax dog won’t hunt, OK?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 14:52:15

The real estate empires that are modern colleges are really not necessary.

The All American college campus with its student housing, sports and other non curricular facilities is an anachronism.

That said, a lot of for profit schools that run out of low overhead office buildings are no bargain either. A quick looksie at say the University of Phoenix shows that a 4 year degree costs $50K. That is what Colorado State U would charge if it privatized (per CSU).

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 16:52:31

“Investing is a talent that most of us will never have.”

What’s the divorce rate in America these days?

Lucy: “Hwy50 you’re such a BLOCKHEAD!!!!”

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 09:34:41

Let’s face it - except for the top 1% of 1% of colleges (and that is for the networks you create while you are there) no one really cares where you went to college after your first few years on the job.

True dat.

In my primary field of endeavor, I’ve hired a variety of subcontractors. One of them could do web programming like you wouldn’t believe. I don’t know if she ever went to college, but I do know that she went to jail. Before she got sober, she was busted for drunk driving and served a sentence.

Then there’s the lady whose background is military intelligence. Darn good person for straightening out any blogging software-related problems. I don’t know if she went to college either.

Oh, there’s another person whose college background I’m unsure of. She came to the web world via the clerical route. She used to run a secretarial pool for a law firm. She can do the design concept to HTML conversion like nobody’s business.

In short, it’s about what you can do. Not what you majored in.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-11-01 06:38:19

iTo fill this gap Johnson pledged an amount that now seems trivial, $1.9m, sent from the federal government to states which could then leverage it ten-to-one to back student loans of up to $1,000 for 25,000 people.

$1000 was nothing to sneeze at in 1965.

“August 10, 1966

According to the estimates released today by the Bureau of the Census, Dept of Commerce, the average (median) income of families in 1965 was $6900, a gain of about $310, or 5% over 1964.”

Warning: pdf
http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-049.pdf

Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 07:30:46

I don’t have time to look, but what was in-state tuition in 1964? My only metric is an $800/sem at a good state school in 1993. My guess is that in the 60’s, that $1000 for 25K students was enough to populate an entire state school (main campus) for free.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 08:36:16

Mine was approx $350 in the ’70s.

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Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2011-11-01 09:12:00

“I don’t have time to look, but what was in-state tuition in 1964? My only metric is an $800/sem at a good state school in 1993. My guess is that in the 60’s, that $1000 for 25K students was enough to populate an entire state school (main campus) for free.”

I recently found one of my college tuition receipts from 1968: $99/Quarter!

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Comment by Montana
2011-11-01 10:01:59

Junior college in Cali was free in the early 70s. When I came here and checked out UM, tuition was about 200/quarter. That actually seemed like a lot of money back then.

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Comment by ahansen
2011-11-01 22:59:27

UCLA was $1450/year in 1969. Plus housing and expenses.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 07:36:24

“$1000 was nothing to sneeze at in 1965.”

True. If memory serves, a luxury car back then cost around $5000 and a middle class suburban home could be purchased for $15,000 or so.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 09:30:26

If you don’t have enough bubble blogging in your life, take a look at the EduBubble blog. Lots of anti-debt rhetoric there. Not to mention diatribes against the bloated excesses in higher education.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 05:49:14

Does anyone recall what happened after American housing price gains vastly outstripped rent increases over a protracted time period?

Buttonwood
Golden acres
Why Kansas and Somerset farmers should toast the Chinese
Oct 29th 2011 | from the print edition

FARMERS tend to be a gloomy lot. “Worse than last year, better than next” is their characteristic response when asked about economic conditions. But they should be a bit more cheerful at the moment. American farmland values have doubled since 1990 in real terms; on the same basis British farmland prices are up by 135% over the past decade.

Even more remarkably, farmland prices have been much more resilient than residential and commercial property values in the wake of the credit crunch. British prices are more than 15% above their early-2008 levels.

The Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, situated in the heart of America’s farm country, concluded earlier this year that the surge in farmland prices had been driven by a combination of low interest rates and high commodity prices.

But has the boom gone too far? Robert Shiller, a Yale economist who has presciently issued warnings about overpriced equities and houses, has already suggested that farmland might be the subject of the next bubble. In an article on the Project Syndicate website last March, Mr Shiller wrote that “there has been no increase in the supply of farmland, and the stories that would support a contagion of enthusiasm for it are in place, just as they were in the 1970s in the US, when a similar food-price scare generated the century’s only farmland bubble.”

Farmland has been a decent, if not outstanding, long-term investment. Since the Department of Agriculture first conducted a census in 1850, the value of farmland has risen at an annual rate of 3.4%. Since 1967 the annual rise has averaged 6.2%, according to David Ranson at Wainwright Economics, a consultancy. In real terms American farm prices have risen by 150% over the past century.

That gain has substantially outpaced food prices, a process that has accelerated over the past 20 years. What is also significant about the more recent increase is that prices have outstripped rents. In Britain the rental yield on arable land fell from 3.4% in the second half of 2003 to 1.75% in the first half of 2011, according to the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors. In America the Kansas Fed says that prices have risen by 40% since 2004; rents are up by just 17%.

Comment by Jess from upstate SC
2011-11-01 06:08:36

Farmers that had rain are making out like Bandits . $7 corn means they have twice in cash from 2 years ago . None of them have any $$$$ smarts , so they are all busy bidding up the land prices and buying new equitment , they know Uncle Sam will step in when they Crash & Burn in the near future, they always do that .

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-11-01 06:28:36

Wait….isn’t this similar to what happened in the 1930’s Depression? Farmers took out loans to expand to meet black swan demand and then the markets collapsed. Eventually they were paid to destroy their crops to tighten supply.

And people say history is boring.

Comment by palmetto
2011-11-01 06:47:08

+1

 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 07:32:25

+1. I guess corn grows to the sky right alongside trees and real estate prices.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 07:37:44

My thought exactly! The Second Great Depression has yet to begin — what we have seen thus far is just the warmup act.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 06:49:39

Farm products = Commoditie$

Commoditie$ = Price$ can never be manipulated/controlled by Wall $t.

end.of.$tory. :-)

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 07:19:42

“Farmland has been a decent, if not outstanding, long-term investment”

Just another viewing window into the bubble psychology of an entire generation. Prices are not supported by rent value, they are mostly speculative on future appreciation. Even the rents are inflated by the expectations of ever higher produce prices next year.

Someone else can probably throw in with some real numbers, but let’s say $300 of crop can be produced per acre. The rent should be $100, the price should be below $1,000 and you’ll work long and hard to get a very unreliable return. $300/acre would make more sense.

Around here, $3K is the norm, except for land that cannot be plowed. I’ve heard it is more in other places. That means that the rent doesn’t do much more than cover taxes (3%). If the farm is mortgaged, plan on being bankrupted if the price of corn falls. And it will if/when the global debt ponzi scheme implodes.

The Amish have been pretty prosperous here of late. Unfortunately, they have embraced the “English” practice of buying and building with mortgages. I don’t think a lot of them will be immune to the consequences of leveraged speculation in the property bubble.

 
Comment by measton
2011-11-01 07:20:45

Everything is a bubble.

The consumer is dead, the money is concentrated in a small # of hands.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 07:38:51

Bubbles make the financial world revolve around the central banking sun!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 11:59:48

Is it true you can kill someone by putting “Tiger Whiskers” in their soup? ;-)

Q: You say in the book that the former chairman of the Federal Reserve Paul Volcker is your hero. Why?

A: Paul Volcker was a harsh disciplinarian of the U.S. government when he made the incredibly difficult move of raising rates to kill inflation in the early 1980s. He didn’t back down to political pressure at that time because he wanted to defend his ultimate goal. It was pain in the short term for a better end. Today, no one has that kind of guts.

We need a Tiger Mom in charge of our economy. Paul Volcker was a Tiger Mom.

It would be easy to dismiss Mayo as a disgruntled outcast if not for the fact that he is one of Wall Street’s most respected bank analysts. He still carries around the two dozen rejection letters he received over 25 years ago from elite Wall Street banks like Goldman Sachs. He believes his lack of an Ivy League pedigree may have held him back from entering the inner echelons of Wall Street.

Mike Mayo’s new book blasts Wall Street:
Mike Mayo, Wall Street insider, pulls back curtain to reveal unsavory practices: Yahoo Finance / 11-1-2011

When I started out on Wall Street I did exactly the way I was taught in business school and my analyst accreditation. But when my analysis was negative, like when I said KeyCorp was not a good investment, the firm cut back on business with my bank. I was penalized. Simply put, the rules of the game as I learnt in school are not the rules that are played on Wall Street.

I made a controversial call to sell bank stocks in 1999 and even though I was proven correct, I got fired.

Q: What’s your view of capitalism?

A: Capitalism works when rules are put in place and strictly enforced. Not when government looks the other way when rules are broken and then steps in to protect banks that cannot deal with the consequences of their bad decisions.

Capitalism works when executives are rewarded for performance, not when the rules are written so that they walk away with fat paychecks even when things go wrong.

The bad actors on Wall Street have done a lot of damage to capitalism. Those who speak up are sometimes exiled. The watch guards need to be allowed to see and act. They are the checks and balances that make capitalism work.

In 2002, I testified to Congressional committees about the conflicts of interest on Wall Street, I took the message to the media and nothing changed.

The key difference between me and the protesters is that I believe in capitalism — a capitalism that works.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 05:56:08

EUROPE NEWS
NOVEMBER 1, 2011

Greek Vote Threatens Bailout
Premier Calls for Surprise Referendum Days After European Leaders OK Aid Deal
By ALKMAN GRANITSAS, MARCUS WALKER and COSTAS PARIS

ATHENS—Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou stunned Europe by announcing a referendum on his country’s latest bailout—a high-stakes gamble that could undermine the international effort to preserve the euro.

A “yes” vote in the referendum could deflate the massive street protests and strikes that threaten to paralyze Greece as it tries to enact a brutal austerity program to earn rescue loans from the euro zone and the International Monetary Fund.

A “no” vote, however, could bring down the government and cut off international funding for Greece, leaving the country facing a financial meltdown. The government expects to hold the referendum in January.

Some Greek government officials believe a defeat in the referendum could propel their country out of the euro zone. Many European policy makers fear that a messy Greek default could spark a financial-market panic that would particularly affect Italy, a major European economy that’s already struggling to retain investors’ trust.

Mr. Papandreou’s dramatic announcement, which he delivered late Monday in a speech to lawmakers, renders the outcome of Europe’s debt crisis more uncertain than ever. It comes less than a week after euro-zone leaders agreed on a “comprehensive package” of measures to keep Greece afloat, reassure financial markets and stabilize the region. That agreement was supposed to ensure that Athens avoids a unilateral debt default, restructures its debts in cooperation with bondholders, and cuts its budget deficit further in return for a €130 billion ($180 billion) bailout.

With the fate of the deal in the lap of Greek voters, the euro crisis is likely to dominate this week’s summit of the Group of 20 leading global economies in Cannes, France. For months, the U.S. government has been pressing Europe to resolve the two-year-old Greek debt crisis, which is undermining investor confidence in ever-growing swaths of the euro currency zone. The lingering uncertainty, in turn, has hurt confidence in global financial markets, and the looming referendum will only accentuate that.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2011-11-01 06:31:51

I never liked Papandreou (Papa) but this latest move was just brilliant. He’s now in a win-win-win-win situation. Let me explain:
1. He can get better terms on the “rescue package” currently formulated by Paris/Berlin. They will do (almost) anything to keep Greece from exiting the Euro-Zone.
2. In the unlikly event that the Greek voter is in favor of the “rescue package” then he shut up the opposition and can proceed with whatever austerity measures needed. That’s what you voted for, now suck it up!
3. Should the Greek voter decude against the proposal (more likely outcome) then he can push all the blame on the people. “Hey, it was a democratic descision, nothing I can do.”
4. In case of NO, Greece will most likely have to exit the Euro with a 80-90% haicut. That beats a 50% haircut on treasuries held by banks which really translates only into a 25% haircut on total Greek debt.
5. IF Papa or his cronies were smart enough to buy Greek CDS in time, this would certainly trigger a credit event and profits for holders of Greek CDS provided AIG or “Too Big To Fail Bank” can actually pay up. If not, taxpayers in other countries will ride to the rescue. It’s similar to buying $250K insurance for a $50K slum shack and then setting the place on fire, only that this would be perfectly legal.
6. He is taking Merkel and Sarkozy to school and exposing their utter incompetence….just out of satisfaction as a personal victory over these two clowns.

Comment by palmetto
2011-11-01 06:53:23

Excellent analysis, Mike.

And it appears to me that there is a similarity to the way Iceland handled the situation.

 
Comment by measton
2011-11-01 07:22:26

If you are going to play the BK card you want to play it first.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-11-01 08:30:19

What’s that old saying, “If you owe the bank $1,000 they own you. If you owe the bank $100 Million you own them.”

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 11:30:05

“If you owe the bank $100 Million you own them.”

What if you owe the bank 130 billion euro?

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By Alan Wheatley, Global Economics Correspondent
LONDON | Tue Nov 1, 2011 1:13pm GMT

(Reuters) - The Group of 20 always faced long odds at its summit this week on making much of a difference to the resolution of the euro zone’s debt crisis. After the shock announcement of a referendum in Greece on its new bailout deal, the mission now looks impossible.

The G20 was designated in 2009 as the steering committee for the world economy and earned its spurs by coordinating a fiscal stimulus to cushion the blow of the global financial crisis.

But two years on, the unforeseen twist in Greek politics risks relegating the G20 to a group of bystanders — not the outcome French President Nicolas Sarkozy wanted when he put forward a grand scheme to reshape the global monetary order during his year as leader of the group of leading economies.

The imperative now for Thursday’s summit is to erect a firewall around Greece, to prevent its debt woes spreading to more important economies such as Italy, and twin that with a plan to boost growth, said Paola Subacchi, director of international economics at Chatham House, a London think tank.

“The most important thing that the G20 has to focus on is how to provide a financial safety net which is extensive and deep,” she said. “People are fed up that there is a sense of no leadership. The G20 needs to restore confidence by sending a message that yes, we know what we’re doing; yes, we are in charge.”

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Even before Prime Minister Prime Minister George Papandreou called a plebiscite on Greece’s 130 billion euro (111.6 billion pound) bailout, China and other big emerging economies in the G20 looked unlikely to make firm financial commitments to the euro zone’s rescue fund as details of how it will operate have yet to be settled.

The irony that a relatively poor country such as China, with national income per head of just $4,000 (2,509.41 pound) a year, is being courted to help rescue much richer European countries is not lost on Beijing, especially as the bailout fund will rely on the sort of fancy financial engineering that exacerbated the 2007-2009 financial crisis.

“It’s in China’s interest to offer in principle to do something to help out. But the Chinese leaders are in a very difficult situation,” said Gregory Chin of the Centre for International Governance Innovation, a Canadian research outfit.

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2011-11-01 08:44:42

If they are exiting the Euro, I don’t see why they would limit the haircut to 80% or 90%. If you are going to get out, why take any of the old debt with you?

Comment by Steve J
2011-11-01 12:04:23

Why not just pay all of the debt with newly printed Drachmas?

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Comment by polly
2011-11-01 14:18:47

Because the debt is not denominated in new Drachmas. You can’t pay it off in new Drachmas.

Does your bank let you pay a debt with Steve J bucks?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 06:57:46

Realtor® and “liar” are synonymous.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 07:22:04

Calif. County Yearns For ‘The Way It Used To Be’
by Richard Gonzales
Morning Edition

Robert Frazier of Suisun City, Calif., is seen at home with a prototype of “The Pouch,” a sleeping bag attached to a fitted sheet, so that both fit over a mattress. He has a patent, but he doesn’t want to take production to China or India.
Enlarge Richard Gonzales/NPR

November 1, 2011

Part of a monthlong series

There’s a lot to like about Solano County, Calif., a collection of bedroom communities between San Francisco and Sacramento: great climate, diversity and until recently, very stable neighborhoods.

But it also has the second-highest foreclosure rate in the country. Its largest city, Vallejo, went bankrupt. And unemployment here is 11 percent, higher than the national average.

So it’s no surprise that at a recent local town hall meeting, the No. 1 topic was jobs and, frankly, how things just aren’t like they used to be. One speaker after another talked about the lack of opportunity, what they called unfair competition from China, and the disappearance of manufacturing jobs.

Like it was when I grew up. That theme came up all over Solano County. I heard it again when I went to see Craig Black on his five-acre ranch in a rural part of the county.

“It was kind of our dream home, something we always wanted,” he says.

His dream home isn’t more than 800 square feet, but hanging on to it is becoming a nightmare. Black, 39, is a sheet metal worker who looks younger than his age. But he has a bad back thanks to the demands of his job. Two surgeries later, he’ll need another one, too.

Black says he had to quit working about two years ago. With only one income, he and his wife fell behind on their mortgage payments. Black says he should qualify for a loan modification, but his bank doesn’t agree, judging from a stack of documents about half a foot high on his table.

“I have letter after letter: ‘If the amount due is not received by the specified due date, foreclosure proceedings may begin or continue,’ ” he reads. “And this is every month, and it just prolongs the process.”

To complicate matters, Black owes more on his mortgage than his home is worth. But he says he’s not worried about that because he would never walk away from the house. What he doesn’t understand is why he can’t get some help for a more affordable loan.

Comment by 2banana
2011-11-01 08:23:30

Like it was when I grew up.

Your parents didn’t take out massive home equity loans either…

A 800 sq ft house in a rural part of CA owned by an almost 40 year old…

In the “olden days” it would have been at least half paid off by now.

Where did the money go?

But journalists don’t like to ask these questions.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 09:39:50

In my family, an elderly relative took out a HELOC to catch up on the bills. As in, medical and energy bills. Not to mention taxes.

I know that HELOC-ing has a bad name on this blog, but this family member isn’t the sort to go on a huge spending spree. I suspect that it’s a case of outliving the retirement money, but I’m not sure.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 12:19:47

I’m not sure he took out a HELOC. We don’t know when he bought the house. However, he’s certainly guilty of paying too much for the house, either originally or as part of a HELOC (which is effectively buying the house again).

Meanwhile, Robert Frazier is done for. How hard can it be for the Chinese to reverse engineer “a sleeping bag attached to a fitted sheet, so that both fit over a mattress,” especially since he was kind enough to allow a picture? The question is demand. There’s no reason to buy this product, when similar stuff is already on the market.

For example, see this “ready bed’ for kids:

http://www.amazon.com/Dora-Explorer-Ready-Battery-pump/dp/B000YTDUJU/ref=sr_1_16?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1320175075&sr=1-16

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 07:22:15

Federal mortgage overhaul put on hold

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Updated: 10:11 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011
Posted: 9:39 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011

16 COMMENTS

I’m a deadbeat and I feel bad for people who think this program is actually going to help them. It has been 40 months since I have made a payment and I have watched the blogs from “holierthanthou” a##holes about how it is my fault our economy is in the toilet.
Well, in that 40 months, the bank has offered me 4,900 to sign a deed in lieu, and now I have received a letter about offering me up to 20,000 to do a short sale. (but, with no details)

diver4life
10:20 AM, 10/30/2011

So to all of you holier than thou’s, I say KMA. Look on the positive side, I have another 12-24 months in my home and your tax dollars will not be going towards me refinancing my underwater home. I will declare BK when the time is right and start over. I would have to do that any way, So, I am going to enjoy myself as long as I can…

diver4life
10:29 AM, 10/30/2011

Comment by palmetto
2011-11-01 08:15:35

“diver4life”

Gotta love that handle. Underwater for life.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 08:24:51

Federal mortgage overhaul put on hold

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Updated: 10:11 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011
Posted: 9:39 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011

17 COMMENTS

“diver4life”

Gotta love that handle. Underwater for life.

jeff saturday
11:22 AM, 11/1/2011

Comment by palmetto
2011-11-01 08:32:16

Good to see you were on it right away! LOL!

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 10:03:35

Stay on em’ Jethro.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-01 11:05:47

“I’m a deadbeat …

So to all of you holier than thou’s, I say KMA.”

black propaganda

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 11:58:39

“black propaganda”

This guy has been posting on the Palm Beach Post site for years. He is a big foreclosure hamlet, Robo signer it`s the banks fault guy.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-01 13:14:40

“This guy has been posting on the Palm Beach Post site for years.”

Oh. Well I guess that proves it isn’t black propaganda somehow.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 13:51:25

“Oh. Well I guess that proves it isn’t black propaganda somehow.”

You are right it doesn`t. But diver4life has been consistent with the time frame of missed payments and his “KMA”. However he didn`t used to like the name deadbeat. I guess he`s warming up to it.

Fannie Mae ignored robo-signing abuses in Florida foreclosures, investigation finds

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 9:37 p.m. Friday, Sept. 23, 2011

Federal mortgage giant Fannie Mae was told in 2006 about faulty court documents filed by Florida foreclosure attorneys acting on its behalf but did nothing to correct the practices, an inspector general found.

12 COMMENTS

Foreclosure Fraud by banks and the willing victim govt agencies have destroyed EVERYONE’s propery values in S. FL and the US.

The banks lent RECKLESSLY. BUt they got billions in bail out money from the people, the same people they and their foreclouse mill attorneys are now robbing of due process.

And now FL Legislature wants to take foreclusure out of the courts? WHy? To hurry up their fraud and rob scheme?

The people need a bail out. Everyone suffers here without it.
hurrs alls
6:56 AM, 9/24/2011

I have not made a mortgage payment in 38 months and have not even been scheduled for an initial hearing. In the meantime, I am enjoying my home and enjoying life. When the time is right, I will declare bankruptcy and start over. All you holier than thou’s can KMA. I am using the system to my advantage, just as the banks do.

diver4life
10:45 AM, 9/24/2011

diver4life

I got you beat. My last payment was Dec 2007, 45 months. No Lis Penden, nothing. Bank lawyer told me my loan doc’s are so messed up, they don’t which bank owns my loan.

Those “Technical Issues” are coming home to haunt Fannie and B of A.
Key West dad
2:14 PM, 9/24/2011

diver4life and Key West Dad….you are my heroes!

Perry
5:27 PM, 9/24/2011

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/foreclosures/fannie-mae-ignored-robo-signing-abuses-in-florida-1876292.html - 87k -

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 07:51:32

Nov. 1, 2011, 10:22 a.m. EDT
Rich Class fighting 99%, winning big-time
Commentary: Reagan began class war in 1981, Buffett declared in 2006
By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

SAN LUIS OBISPO, Calif. (MarketWatch) — Yes, “there is class warfare, all right,” declared Warren Buffett. “But it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

Yes, the Rich Class is at war with you, with the 99%, a war against America. This class war actually started a generation ago, in 1981 when Ronald Reagan became president. Since then, the Rich Class has been winners. Big-time. And the 99% are the losers. Real big-time.

I am going to keep reminding you over and over of this Rich Class declaration of war and how they’re defeating America.

Why more reminders? Because, except for Buffett, the vast majority of the Rich Class really are engaged in a massive cover-up, a widespread conspiracy that includes the Super Rich, Forbes 400 billionaires, Wall Street bank CEOs, all their high-paid Washington lobbyists, all the Congressional puppets they keep in office by spending hundreds of millions on campaign payola and all the conservative presidential candidates praying the same Rich Class dogma.

Yes, Rich Class has been fighting a 30-year war to rule America

They’re fighting you, winning big-time, and you’re the loser. It’s just one generation since conservatives put Reagan in office: In those three short decades the income and wealth of the top 1% has tripled while the income of the bottom 99% of all Americans has stagnated or dropped.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 08:31:50

The war without a shot fired.

Every single person who took on long term debt to enhance their lifestyle volunteered to lose this war, walked right into the POW camp with their entire families and closed the door behind themselves. Now the kids think it was the 1%ers who did this to them!

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-01 09:10:55

Now the kids think it was the 1%ers who did this to them!

It was the 1% who did most of it, because it was the 1% who set up your scenario of the “dumb” people who went into debt.

Who is most responsible for the deer’s death, the deer hunter or the “dumb” dear?

Besides, not all of those “kids” have debt, not all the OWS protesters have high debt and many of those OWS protesters own their home outright. One not need to be in any debt to see that OWS makes good points. Case in point, me.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 09:24:16

Case in point, me too.

Except the deer doesn’t shove the hunter’s knife into its own gut. Least wise, that was never my experience. The deer example needs a facilitator, like the US Congress.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-01 11:33:21

The deer didn’t ask that their job base be sold to China. Quite the opposite. The 1%ers just did it anyway.

The only way the deer was culpable was in falling for the 1%er propaganda for the last thirty years. But that culpability shouldn’t preclude them from finally waking up and stopping the looting, as you seem to think.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 12:06:34

I really do get that. My point is that we have a weapon that is capable of breaking the backs of the bankers. Well, we had a weapon anyway. Too much debt is squeezing us and the bankers get fat off the squeezings. Pretty much what is let is pomace, so my harping is untimely.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 12:07:49

“let” = left

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 11:39:04

‘…the “dumb” dear?’

Is this a reference to the petulant wife in the Suzanne Researched This commercial?

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Comment by GH
2011-11-01 08:51:01

Taxes have nothing to do with the demise of the middle class at all. Your job can and most likely has been done at a tenth the cost in China, India, Mexico etc.

This inequality is where the demise of the middle class lies not in a few percentage points of taxation. The rich are making a ton more money than they used to because the cost of doing business is so much cheaper in foreign countries and they still get to sell their garbage here to credit card toting Americans.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 08:55:32

So, are you saying that the rich got richer because the rest of us went into debt?

Comment by GH
2011-11-01 09:04:43

The rest of us went into debt to replace our diminishing incomes. Point is if you are a company making a $20 widget and it costs $10 to make here VS $2 to make in China at the cost of $8 in US labor it is pretty obvious what will happen.

Worse, taxes are not paid on ANY of the labor so our tax base is eroded at the same time.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-01 09:31:59

Point is if you are a company making a $20 widget and it costs $10 to make here VS $2 to make in China at the cost of $8 in US labor it is pretty obvious what will happen.….if your country sells its people down the river so the rich can get richer.

The average difference is not $10 made in USA vs $2 in China. The average difference in landed imports is about 10-15% less than if made here. So proper tariffs/duties would protect American jobs. Public policy protects domestic jobs in many countries. Losing our jobs was not a given. Your statement of it being “pretty obvious what will happen” does not acknowledge that public policy could make it pretty obvious what would not happen. We sold our people down the river so the rich could get richer. We lost our jobs so they could make an extra 10-15%.

Average cost savings from offshoring operations are about 10%

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/itfacts/average-cost-savings-from-offshoring-operations-are-about-10/8362

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 09:42:21

We lost our jobs so they could make an extra 10-15%.

And note that the cost of things that were offshored is still the same at the retail level. I sure haven’t noticed cheaper prices in the stores, have you?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 10:29:38

(Hey Mikey, are tariffs gonna hurt you cheeseheads up Wisconsin way? How was Halloween traffic this year? Is Linda-the-Lunch-Lady-$till-Living-Lavi$hly?) ;-)

does not acknowledge that public policy could make it pretty obvious what would not happen. We sold our people down the river so the rich could get richer. We lost our jobs so they [the $uffering $o's] could make an extra 10-15%.

“My oh my…” says Br’er Wabbit… “It’s trouble that makes the monkey chew on hot peppers.”

 
Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-11-01 11:13:25

Hmmm….. off-shoring jobs that can be done on a PC is an 80% savings at least. Just get a web design quote locally, then try India.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 11:43:07

Hmmm….. off-shoring jobs that can be done on a PC is an 80% savings at least. Just get a web design quote locally, then try India.

And after your Indian designer screws things up, don’t come crying to me and expect a cut-rate price for repairing the damage.

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-11-01 12:08:48

Inflation in India is very high.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 12:31:49

Inflation in India is very high

At least we have that as an export.

 
Comment by SUGuy
2011-11-01 14:22:15

What about the headaches of dealing with rude, sue happy, sand bagging, stealing, more money, along with an attitude problem employees. Today being the !st of the month few of our workers are awol. They live with welfare queens; have the internet, cable, housing, heat, Medicaid, food stamps and a junk car. They get pulled over for not having a license and the cops just ticket them. They are constantly trying to get disability insurance. There is no incentive for these 20 to 30 something high school drop outs with a few kids to make something of themselves. Oh yes lets blame china or India every time for our present situation. Btw these workers also take in paid roommates while on welfare, sell illegally downloaded movies and do side jobs. Most of them smoke and are too fat to work hard.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 14:47:59

They are constantly trying to get disability insurance.

One of my cousins is a remodeling contractor in Vermont. The stories he tells about his (and other contractors’) workers and their attempts to get disability will lead you in stitches.

What’s the most common thing that trips these people up? Their inability to keep their stories straight. One day one, the story goes like this. But, wouldn’t you know it, a day later, several major details have changed.

 
Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-11-01 16:39:21

I am a great art director. 8 sites and no screw ups. But I screen those I hire, it helps to have a brain.

 
Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-11-01 16:45:23

8 sites, no problems, but I am not lazy about it, i direct them.

 
Comment by SUGuy
2011-11-01 17:08:04

Good for you lets hire you as the Hr director for the millions of dead beats.

Bravo

 
 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-11-01 08:58:29

Now that the 99% can’t go deeper and deeper into debt anymore, the 1% is trying to figure out:

1) How their bonds will be paid off.
2) Who their businesses can sell goods and services to.
3) Who will buy houses from those they’ve lent to.
4) Who they will sell their stocks to.

Guess what, it won’t work out for them, either.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 09:04:04

Who makes out better in a collapse, the debtor or the lender?

LOL.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 10:04:17

ziiiiiiiiiiiiinggggggggggggggggggggg….. (exeter™)

The $uffering $o’s relentle$$ $upporters might be focu$ing in on their “Uh-Oh”… moment. :-)

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Comment by measton
2011-11-01 09:58:58

I’d argue that the war is the top 0.1% vs the 99.9%. More likely it’s the top 500-1000 vs everyone else. There are many in the top 5% that just don’t understand that yet.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 11:20:03

Many of the 5% are the Irish in the movie Braveheart.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2011-11-01 07:56:15

Only in a bizarre world is this stuff taken seriously:

‘A few years back Representative Barney Frank coined an apt phrase for many of his colleagues: weaponized Keynesians, defined as those who believe ‘that the government does not create jobs when it funds the building of bridges or important research or retrains workers, but when it builds airplanes that are never going to be used in combat, that is of course economic salvation.’

‘First things first: Military spending does create jobs when the economy is depressed. Indeed, much of the evidence that Keynesian economics works comes from tracking the effects of past military buildups. Some liberals dislike this conclusion, but economics isn’t a morality play: spending on things you don’t like is still spending, and more spending would create more jobs.’

‘But why would anyone prefer spending on destruction to spending on construction, prefer building weapons to building bridges? John Maynard Keynes himself offered a partial answer 75 years ago, when he noted a curious ‘preference for wholly ‘wasteful’ forms of loan expenditure rather than for partly wasteful forms, which, because they are not wholly wasteful, tend to be judged on strict ‘business’ principles.” Indeed. Spend money on some useful goal, like the promotion of new energy sources, and people start screaming, ‘Solyndra! Waste!’ Spend money on a weapons system we don’t need, and those voices are silent, because nobody expects F-22s to be a good business proposition.’

‘To deal with this preference, Keynes whimsically suggested burying bottles full of cash in disused mines and letting the private sector dig them back up. In the same vein, I recently suggested that a fake threat of alien invasion, requiring vast anti-alien spending, might be just the thing to get the economy moving again.’

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/31/opinion/bombs-bridges-and-jobs.html?_r=2

Comment by palmetto
2011-11-01 08:23:06

That’s the NYT for ya. This is what happens when decadent panty-sniffers write the songs.

“I recently suggested that a fake threat of alien invasion, requiring vast anti-alien spending, might be just the thing to get the economy moving again.”

Here’s how disconnected the NYT is: We have a real, ongoing alien invasion in the US, with lots of pro-alien spending. We COULD go in the opposite direction on this, like with real deportation programs, building a second great wall, troops on the border and a myriad of other goodies. But, you see, Carlos Slime has a substantial stake in the NYT. So they’ve got to toady to him. The knife feels like justice.

 
Comment by butters
2011-11-01 08:31:53

Who knew Bush was such a Keynesian genius?

Spending on multiple wars
Spending on No Child Left Behind
Spending on Prescription Drug Plan
Spending on the Gestapo aka Homeland Security
Farm Bill
TARP
Faith based initiatives

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 08:54:13

Yeah, but hey $hrub lowered the taxe$ for those $uffering $o’s, remember? ;-)

“S” as in simple
“$” as in $alvation
“$” as in “Suffering $o’s!”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 11:16:40

The tax plans from Rick Perry and Herman Cain would make millionaires vastly richer while raising taxes on the middle class. It’s voodoo economics gift-wrapped for rich voters.

Republican presidential candidates are falling over themselves promising to cut your taxes. Well, probably not your taxes. Somebody else’s taxes. Somebody rich.

The Shameless Republican Race to Cut Rich People’s Taxes:
contributors@theatlantic.com (James Kwak), On Tuesday November 1, 2011, / The Atlantic

First there was Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan, which would replace all of our current taxes with a 9 national sales tax, a 9 percent “business tax” and a 9 percent tax on income. Now Rick Perry says that his 20 percent “flat tax” is even better. Meanwhile, Michele Bachmann says Perry stole her idea. But let’s be clear: These are massive tax cuts for the rich, not for most of us.

The Cain 9-9-9 plan is breathtaking. The poorest Americans would see their effective tax rate increase from about 5 percent to 18 percent. The typical household would pay $4,000 more than today. But the top 0.1 percent would get an average tax cut of $1.4 million and would pay an effective tax rate of 18 percent–lower than any other income group. That a plan so insane could be proposed by a leading presidential candidate just shows how crazy our political system has become. Although Perry’s flat tax preserves the tax code for most families, he offers a special tax cut for the rich. A retired couple making $700,000 would be $75,000 richer under his plan. (To see a very tall graphical representation of Perry and Cain’s tax plans, see Derek Thompson’s charts.)

The most charitable answer is that they think lower taxes are good for the country. Reducing taxes on the rich would make them work harder, save more, and promote economic growth. This is the theory George H.W. Bush once called “voodoo economics,” and 30 years later, he’s still right.

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Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-11-01 11:15:37

….and dont forget the $12 Billion in cash he air mailed to Iraq that disappeared. $12 Billion!! And the GOP get mad at the Soly loan! Hypocrites!

Comment by Steve J
2011-11-01 12:12:15

They now say no money is missing. They found a reciept from the Iraqi government.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/26/once-thought-lost-and-now-found-6-billion/

And you thought Realtors lied. :-)

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 11:33:09

“Indeed, much of the evidence that Keynesian economics works comes from tracking the effects of past military buildups.”

So then much of the success of Keynesian economics lies not in the actual act of breaking windows, but rather in the preparation to do so?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-01 11:43:46

If one chooses to utilize his theory only by investing in military weaponry, yes. This, as Barney Frank pointed out, seems to be the only form of Keynesian stimulus acceptable to some people.

 
Comment by polly
2011-11-01 11:54:35

Um…no. Not even close. They are economists. They can’t do experiments in a lab, they have to look to history. What he is saying is that if you want to look at the effect of a large increase of government spending on the economy, you have to look to military build ups, because there aren’t really any good examples of massive increases in government spending when you exclude those examples.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 11:35:39

“Keynes whimsically suggested burying bottles full of cash in disused mines and letting the private sector dig them back up.”

Is this any different than loading a horde of MBS onto the Fed’s balance sheet.?

Comment by polly
2011-11-01 11:56:23

If you let people go dig up the money, they will actually own the money.

If you do it through the Fed, the only way actual people get their hands on the money is by borrowing it.

 
 
 
Comment by Big V
2011-11-01 08:36:55

Hi All:

RE OWS,

I have been trying to find a way that people can contribute to the goals/demands of OWS without having to physically show up to a meeting or protest (I don’t live near one and I don’t want to get recognized by anyone who might fire me anyway). I found this. It’s one of the major documents that’s forming around OWS, in addition to the Declaration from the New York group. It’s a wiki. I haven’t even read it yet, but I thought I’d post it here. It’s called the Liberty Square Blueprint. I hope this page is the real one; it’s hard to tell. I think they should rename it the Phuckya Pages, but I digress. Here it is:

http://freenetworkmovement.org/commons/index.php?title=Liberty_Square_Blueprint

Comment by goon squad
2011-11-01 13:20:50

The tent I donated to Occupy Denver was confiscated a few weeks ago during the midnight police raid to clear the park, will be donating a tarp and blankets for the remaining occupiers now camped out across the street on the sidewalk.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2011-11-01 09:01:59

Good news my neighbor has left to buy a foreclosure down the street! Has taken her 10+ dogs and the constant smell of dog#$!! So some landlords apparently don’t care what you do to their rental because after having all those dogs in the house ( Plus at least one cat) I can’t beleive a carpet cleaning will do much to get rid of the smell.

I talked to the neighbors’ moving helper/ friend and she wanted to know what my plan was? I said I had no plan I just rent. She said everyone needs a plan. Do what you love ( dog sitting ) ? I assume this is a mid-life going broke self re-evaluation type thinking because the bad economic times?

Read below for pasted ebay listing displaying even more stress and not CA but Oregon

Sempervivum tectorum, Common Houseleek, Hen-and-Chickens, Old Man and Woman, Roof House Leek
Hardiness:
USDA Zone 3 - 11

MOVING SALE, SINCE MY SLUMLORD HAS THROWN OUT ALL THE RULES ALLOWING ANYONE TO MOVE IN HERE AND DO ANYTHING AND MY CAT WAS POISONED I NEED TO GET RID OF STUFF TO MOVE. PLANTS WILL BE A MIX OF ROOTED AND UNROOTED ONES AS I CLEAR OUT MY POTTED PLANTS

ROOTED PLANTS ARE SHIPPED BAREROOT. UNROOTED PLANTS ROOT EASILY JUST BY PLACING THEM ON SOIL SURFACE.

DUE TO FEE INCREASES AND SHIPPING CHARGE INCREASES ALL ITEMS ARE NOW SHIPPED FREE - JUST LIKE YOU WANTED, BUT NO COMBINED SHIPPING DISCOUNTS CAN BE GIVEN ANYMORE, EBAY INVOICE WILL NOT ALLOW DISCOUNTS.

I DO SHIP INTERNATIONAL, I DO NOT ALLOW INTERNATIONAL BIDS DUE TO THE LACK OF SELLER PROTECTION HERE.

Since feedback is a bad joke on fee bay I do not bother with it, it doesn’t pay pay the bills, like that humongous fee bay/fee pay bill.

IF YOU LEAVE FEEDACK I WILL ALSO, DO NOT FEEL OBLIGATED, I CERTAINLY DON’T SINCE I AM NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE FEEDBACK HERE

WANT A BETTER DEAL? CONTACT ME!

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 09:18:52

“She said everyone needs a plan”

A plan is something to deviate from when things get fu#cked up. But you gotta start somewhere. So, what`s the plan?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 09:46:55

Good news my neighbor has left to buy a foreclosure down the street! Has taken her 10+ dogs and the constant smell of dog#$!! So some landlords apparently don’t care what you do to their rental because after having all those dogs in the house ( Plus at least one cat) I can’t beleive a carpet cleaning will do much to get rid of the smell.

A carpet cleaning will do zippo to get rid of the smell. And, sorry to say, nothing short of ripping out the carpets and possibly the flooring underneath, will eliminate it.

I pity the future tenant(s) and owner(s) of this place.

As for multiple dogs, is this a hoarding operation masquerading as a rescue? If so, they’re quite common and they’re a real headache for neighborhoods.

We had one of them around here and the barking was a real PITA. 24/7. There was no respite. The people moved out last year, thank goodness. Took their landlord 4.5 months to bring the place back up to rentable condition.

Comment by cactus
2011-11-01 12:11:07

As for multiple dogs, is this a hoarding operation masquerading as a rescue?”

yes I think so as the dogs are delivered and taken away often by a lanky dude in a big truck, plus there are numerous kennel cyclone fence set-ups in the garage and back yard, or were they are gone :-)

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 12:25:41

You might want to check your local laws and find out what the rules/regs are for kennels in a residential area. Your locale may also have restrictions on how many dogs a person can own.

If you need any help with this particular issue (animal noise, hoarding, manure and other waste, and aggression toward people, pets, and livestock), just holler. I’d be happy to point you toward those who can help.

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-11-01 10:20:01

cactus
We just looked at a home in Newbury Park, but after finding out about the neighbor with a pitbull and their other mean weird dogs, we didn’t even entertain buying it. We talked to a sampling of neighbors and the feuds between them for different reasons scared us away. The house wasn’t even a 6/10 to begin with.

Whereas, we’ve met neighbors who care about each other and are extended family. How cool is that. The house didn’t work, but the neighborhood was great.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 10:22:28

We just looked at a home in Newbury Park, but after finding out about the neighbor with a pitbull and their other mean weird dogs, we didn’t even entertain buying it.

You were wise to steer clear of that place. Lest you become the latest victim of those sweet and loving dogs.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-11-01 11:24:21

Az Slim
Thank you for the “that-a gal”.
Some of my friends think I bought into the “kool-aid”.
Juxtaposition on when people show you who they are believe it. When a breed does it over and over, it’s just a vicious breed. Period.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 11:52:50

Thanks for the shout-out, Awaiting. Indeed it is a vicious breed.

Local case in point, a man named Michael Cook. Back in August, his family’s pit bull got into it with another one of their dogs. So, Mr. Cook went outside to break up the fight.

One of the neighbors heard the ruckus and peered over the wall to see what was going on. Neighbor said it looked like the dog was eating Mr. Cook alive.

When the sheriff’s deputies showed up, they tazed the pit bull and it was taken to animal control. Where it was kept alive at taxpayer expense. It was euthanized a week or so after the attack.

Back to Mr. Cook. He was taken to our city’s only trauma center, University Medical Center. Same place that treated Rep. Giffords and other victims of the January 8 shootings.

Mr. Cook needed transfusions of more than 100 units of blood. Which severely depleted our local blood bank. They had to have an emergency blood drive to replenish the supply.

Mr. Cook also had to have both arms amputated. And his liver was failing. Shortly after the double amputation, he died.

The man lived for three weeks in what must have been terrible pain. We don’t know the details — he was reported to be in a coma. Perhaps that was just a nice way of saying he was too pain medicated to regain consciousness.

More recently, an 86-year-old man was walking his two dogs on Tucson’s east side. Two pit bulls attacked him and the dogs. Both the man and the dogs were injured.

Unlike the Pima County sheriff’s deputies responding to the Cook attack, the Tucson police officers didn’t mess around. They shot the two pit bulls dead at the scene.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-11-01 13:33:51

Wow, Az Slim. Thank you for that post and interesting link. Why would anyone find any attraction in owning a vicious breed like a pit bull. I just don’t get it.

An incidence in So Ca that stands out from this year, is a couple’s pit bull attacked the wife and they made excuses for it and kept it. 9 months prego, the dog attacked her again, and killed her this time, and I think they saved the baby. (Don’t recall.) Get this, the husband wanted to bury the euthanized dog’s ashes with his wife’s body. He felt the dog got a bad rap. (f@#king idiot)

cactus
Your posts have taught me a lot today. Thank you. I’ve been accused of being too uptight, and too picky about neighbor animal issues.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-11-01 13:46:26

Why would anyone find any attraction in owning a vicious breed like a pit bull. I just don’t get it.

I have a brother and sister-in-law who have them. They are a bit too excitable for my tastes but I have to admit they are good dogs. I don’t trust them because they are excitable and so strong, though. The brother and wife get upset when anybody talks bad about pit bulls in general because they feel it’s all about the owners. I’m on the fence…

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2011-11-01 12:22:39

My first rental in Phoenix had two pitbulls next door. It was a mistake to rent it.

As bad as two pitbulls were the block wall had dirt piled against on the neighbors side so the pit bulls could stand on the dirt and look over he wall. And bark. And they never cleaned up the dog crap over there either which I found out in monsoon season. it was really bad.

So I moved nice to be a renter stupid AZ realtor tried to tell me a month to month was a implied lease sent me a bill on what I owed yea right through that in the trash

2nd rental in AZ was nice. I miss AZ for the inexpensive homes and ease of finding them. Its really tight here in Ventura Co. CA

But I have a good job so I stay for now

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 12:31:56

My first rental in Phoenix had two pitbulls next door. It was a mistake to rent it.

As bad as two pitbulls were the block wall had dirt piled against on the neighbors side so the pit bulls could stand on the dirt and look over he wall. And bark. And they never cleaned up the dog crap over there either which I found out in monsoon season. it was really bad.

My sympathies. And, what’s worse, if you’d tried to report the problem, you’d be dealing with Maricopa County’s animal control, which gives Pima County’s version a run for the money when it comes to inaction and incompetence.

OTOH, SoCal isn’t much better. LA Animal Services recently got a not-so-nice writeup in the LA Weekly over how it doesn’t deal with barking issues.

But, before we give up on California, all hail Golden Stater Craig Mixon, creator of BarkingDogs.net. Dr. Mixon is from Sonoma, and we in the quiet homes movement view him as a patron saint.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 09:04:30

Go Jeep! :-)

GM Sales Barely Rise, Chrysler’s Up 27%
By NATHALIE TADENA And JOAN E. SOLSMAN / WSJ

For October, Chrysler reported it sold 114,512 vehicles, up 27% from a year earlier. It was its best October sales figure since 2007. Truck sales increased 17% from a year earlier, while car sales jumped 60%.

Sales for the Dodge and the Jeep brands both grew 25%. The namesake line’s sales increased 28%.

The company saw strong demand for Jeep branded autos.
The Jeep Compass set an all-time sales record, and Jeep Wrangler set an October sales record.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 09:21:29

Jeep=Just Empty Every Pocket

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 09:42:18

Hey now, eyes resemble that remark!

 
Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-11-01 16:35:42

I had a 97 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4×4, just about everything broke by 130,000 miles except for the 6 cyl engine. Got rid of it, 14mpg sucked.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 09:25:02

The MegaInc.’$ x$2+ Trillion$ in Ca$h accumulation continues on unabated! ;-)

“Hurry, hurry, lower their taxes so they can hire more people, Agonie$ & Pain$…Help ‘em!”

304,000 Californians settle for part-time jobs
October 31st, 2011, posted by Mary Ann Milbourn

A lot of people aren’t just working part-time, many workers are holding down more than one job. The BLS said nearly 7 million people held multiple jobs in September — about 5% of all those with jobs.

One of the trends during this economic downturn is that so many people are working part-time who would rather have full-time jobs.

In September in California, 304,000 people were working part-time who usually work full-time, according to the state Employment Development Department. (The government defines full time as 35 hours or more a week.)

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-01 10:27:42

many people are working part-time who would rather have full-time jobs.

Blast from the past:

—President George W. Bush, to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005
“You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn’t it? I mean, that is fantastic that you’re doing that. (confused applause by the audience) Do you get any sleep?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIjo-dWE1Jg

Comment by goon squad
2011-11-01 13:27:36

That was a classic Lucky Ducky moment :)

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 13:57:42

Eyes thinks her name was Linda, a part-time Lavi$hly living lunch lady.

Lucy: Hwy50 “You Lie!”

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 09:30:44

Schwarzenegger’s love child dresses as Conan

Joseph Baena dons a Halloween costume of the barbarian his father made famous:
Published: Oct. 31, 2011 \ By TIMOTHY MANGAN / THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

Joseph Baena, the boy that our former governor sired out of wedlock with the household maid, was dressed as Conan the Barbarian, one of his father’s most celebrated roles.TMZ had the photos and video. We mention it without further comment.

;-)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 09:57:50

Boycott’$ ‘em!” :-)

“My oh my…” says Br’er Wabbit… “It’s trouble that makes the monkey chew on hot peppers.”

Bank of America drops $5 debit card fee plan:
By Rick Rothacker / Reuters

(Reuters) - Bank of America Corp is dropping plans to charge a $5 monthly fee for debit card use, the bank said in a statement on Tuesday.

The second-biggest U.S. bank said the move was in response to customer feedback and competition. Bank of America was under pressure to make the change as rivals backtracked from plans to charge customers for using their debit cards.

“We have listened to our customers very closely over the last few weeks and recognize their concern with our proposed debit usage fee, [they might actually "move-their-money!" ;-)] David Darnell, the bank’s co-chief operating officer, said in a statement.

JPMorgan Chase & Co and Wells Fargo & Co last week decided to cancel test programs, while SunTrust Banks Inc and Regions Financial Corp said on Monday they would end monthly charges and reimburse customers.

heheeeheeeheehaahaaahaaheeehaahaaa… (Hwy50™)

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-01 09:59:56

SkankOfAmerica is so benevolent it makes my heart melt.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 10:07:45

For those who are looking to break up with their BigBank, permit me to recommend the Move Your Money website.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 10:46:41

I have lost my IRS Rat link.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 11:54:26

If you’re referring to this rat link, I think I can help you out. If you’re looking to do something other than report tax fraud, sorry, I can’t help.

Playing right now on the radio: Ry Cooder’s latest, “No Banker Left Behind.”

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-02 03:04:51

That`s it!

One way or another I am going to need that in the next few months.

Thanks

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-01 13:19:23

The comments on the news sites about this story are great. The main consensus was: “Too late, Skank of America, you already showed your true colors, we don’t believe your backpedaling.” A couple (paid?) commenters tried to explain all the great services that you got with Skank, and more commenters shot back with: “my credit union does most of the same services for no fees, why is BoA having such trouble?” [of course, because BoA needs those fees to fill the holes dug by Countrywide and Merrill, not to maintain a little checking account.]

I used Move Your Money two years ago to… well, not exactly to move my money. I had just moved and needed a new bank anyway. But I used Move Your Money to choose my community bank.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 12:10:37

“Boycott’$ ‘em!” Now!…Today! :-)

How Protests Could Change Banking:

Topics:Investing Ideas & Strategies
Stephen D. Simpson, CFA, On Friday October 28, 2011 / Investopedia

Amidst the macro worries about European sovereign debt and the ignition of the next election cycle, a protest movement called Occupy Wall Street has garnered a great deal of attention for itself. The demands of this movement are vague, and it is an open question as to whether much of what they object to is a byproduct of corporate policy or public policy (or an admixture of the two). Nevertheless, it is clear that their anger is directed, in large part, at some of the biggest banks in this country.

The question is whether these protesters can actually impact the banks they target and what options are available to those who share the protesters views and concerns.

What Are the Options and Alternatives?
Although they are a useful (and generally peaceful) outlet for anger, the protests are not likely to change the way large banks do business. That leaves protesters and their sympathizers with the responsibility to figure out new ways of conducting their business while avoiding the entities they claim to hate

What Could This Mean for Large Banks?

At this point, it seems safe to assume that large bank CEOs are just biding their time and waiting for the protests to burn themselves out. This isn’t the first time popular sentiment has risen up against banks, and they’ve survived so far. That said, what could be the ramifications if the protesters can gather enough support?

The most obvious risk is in losing deposits. Retail deposits are stable, cheap sources of funds and the lifeblood of almost every retail bank operation.

The Bottom Line
There is a long and celebrated tradition in America of angry citizens expressing that anger in organized public protests. At a minimum, then, Occupy Wall Street is the latest in a tradition that should actually make Americans feel a little pride (in many other countries, the protesters would be armed or the police would be merciless in suppressing the gatherings).

Whether or not the movement has a coherent list of demands, or the right target in mind, is secondary to the point. The fact is, there are alternatives and options for those fed up with large banks, and if these banks aren’t careful, they find that their future profits are marching right out of their doors.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 12:33:58

The fact is, there are alternatives and options for those fed up with large banks, and if these banks aren’t careful, they find that their future profits are marching right out of their doors.

Already happening. Credit unions are reporting huge increases in memberships.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 10:19:33

Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac executives get big housing bonuses

By JOSH BOAK & JOSEPH WILLIAMS | 10/31/11 11:32 PM EDT Updated: 11/1/11 12:57 PM EDT

The Obama administration’s efforts to fix the housing crisis may have fallen well short of helping millions of distressed mortgage holders, but they have led to seven-figure paydays for some top executives at troubled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The Federal Housing Finance Agency, the government regulator for Fannie and Freddie, approved $12.79 million in bonus pay after 10 executives from the two government-sponsored corporations last year met modest performance targets tied to modifying mortgages in jeopardy of foreclosure.

The executives got the bonuses about two years after the federally backed mortgage giants received nearly $170 billion in taxpayer bailouts — and despite pledges by FHFA, the office tasked with keeping them solvent, that it would adjust the level of CEO-level pay after critics slammed huge compensation packages paid out to former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines and others.

Securities and Exchange Commission documents show that Ed Haldeman, who announced last week that he is stepping down as Freddie Mac’s CEO, received a base salary of $900,000 last year yet took home an additional $2.3 million in bonus pay. Records show other Fannie and Freddie executives got similar Wall Street-style compensation packages; Fannie Mae CEO Michael Williams, for example, got $2.37 million in performance bonuses.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html -

Comment by Neuromance
2011-11-01 12:20:48

They’re not going to voluntarily stop. It’s not in their nature.

With adults who have stable jobs and houses, the recession is like watching some conflict in a remote land. “Yeah, too bad, but it doesn’t affect me directly.”

These FIRE executives are more removed than than. They see OWS and think “It’s the slackers envying us.”

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 10:22:35

Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac executives get big housing bonuses

“Fannie and Freddie executives are being paid millions to manage losses,” Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.), a longtime critic of the administration’s programs to rescue the housing market, told POLITICO. “By these same standards, I should be the starting forward for the Lakers. It’s completely absurd.”

“It is outrageous that senior executives at Fannie and Freddie are receiving multimillion-dollar compensation packages when they now rely on funding from U.S. taxpayers, many of whom face foreclosure or whose homes are underwater,” Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, who has led House Democrats in efforts to ease Fannie and Freddie’s restrictions on restructuring loans or lowering payments for mortgage holders who owe more than their homes are worth, wrote in an email.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html#ixzz1cTX07mQH

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 10:41:21

I can remember my father asking why Chrysler CEO Lee Iacocca was paid so much for being stupid. And I’ll bet you won’t be surprised to learn that my father’s name was never suggested for any CEO position.

Comment by Robin
2011-11-01 17:55:54

Problem is missing article. A realtor (any) or the realtor if we all know who he is ripping.

Doesn’t much encourage open dialogue. At one point, we did have some realtors in dialogue with our overpowering majority.

What incentive do they now have if they are subject to abuse and vitriol every time they post?

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 11:39:33

F&F would have lost a lot more had it not been for your propping them up with taxpayer money Elijah. In today’s way of speaking, they’ve made huge profits!

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 10:58:52

The government said Allied made substantial profits through the loans while it violated rules meant to protect HUD’s insurance fund and deceived the agency by originating loans for years out of hundreds of “shadow” branches that were not approved by HUD.

The deceitful practice was continued under Hodge’s direction even after several senior managers voiced concerns, the lawsuit said.

“Allied operated with impunity for many years due a culture of corruption created by Hodge, who eliminated the position of chief financial officer and other senior management positions, intimidated employees by spontaneous terminations and aggressive email monitoring, and silenced former employees by actual and threatened litigation against them,” the lawsuit said. “As a result, Allied was able to conceal its dysfunctional operations and maintain its profitable position in the mortgage industry.”

Allied operated 600 or more branches at once but only maintained two quality control employees in its corporate office, requiring branch managers to assume financial responsibility for their branches, the lawsuit said.

Feds sue mortgage broker, alleging lending fraud:
By LARRY NEUMEISTER - Associated Press | AP – 29 mins ago

NEW YORK (AP) — The federal government sued one of the nation’s largest privately held mortgage brokers on Tuesday, saying its decade-long fraudulent lending practices cost the government hundreds of millions of dollars and forced thousands of American homeowners to face eviction.

The lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Manhattan sought unspecified damages and civil penalties and named as defendants Houston-based Allied Home Mortgage Corp., founder Jim Hodge and Jeanne Stell, the company’s executive vice president and director of compliance.

“Allied thus operated its branches like franchises, collecting revenue while the branches were profitable, then closing them without notice when they were not, leaving the branch managers liable for the branch’s financial obligations,” the lawsuit said.

The lawsuit accused Stell of instructing branch managers how to answer questions from HUD auditors and said she acknowledged in an email that she instructed someone else to sign certifications that its branches met federal requirements because she knew they were false.

;-)
AS it focuses on patterns of behavior
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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 11:31:49

Go Trains! Go America! :-)

‘Car Guy’ Bob Lutz Wants Federal Gas Tax…To Pay for Trains!
By Aaron Task | Daily Ticker – 5 hours ago

Although Lutz says Herman Cain is his favorite Republican these days, the former auto executive sounds a lot like Texas Governor and GOP Presidential candidate Rick Perry when he rails against “the increasing, and in my judgement, largely unnecessary [government] meddling in the private enterprise mechanism.”

Somewhat unpredictably, however, Lutz believes the government isn’t involved enough in repairing the nation’s crumbling infrastructure. Even more surprising, Lutz recommends a “graduated, rising” federal tax on gasoline to help give consumers more certainty about gas prices — and encourage them to buy fuel-efficient vehicles — with the proceeds (wait for it) to go to pay for upgrades of the nation’s aging rail system.

An American businessman complaining about too much regulation is hardly newsworthy these days. But a former car guy lobbying for a gas tax to pay for better railroads? Now that’s something different — and maybe even worth considering.

Aaron Task is the host of The Daily Ticker

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 12:36:15

Just read Lutz’s book, Car Guys and Bean Counters. Although he has a tendency to go on rants about politics, his account of what went wrong at GM rings true. And it sounds a lot like what John Delorean said in his 1979 book, On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors.

Obviously, GM is a slow learner and should be taking the short bus to school.

 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-11-01 11:33:31

Rick Sharga, an executive vice president with Carrington Mortgage Services. Oops, Rick left RealtyTrac recently.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 11:40:54

Hopefully his new employer will not stifle his candor.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-11-01 11:36:09

Is a $200,000/year public union firefighter part of the 1%ers?

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Unions Stand with Occupy Movement in Oakland and Nationwide
AFL-CIO | Oct 31, 2011 | Mike Hall

The Alameda Labor Council and California Labor Federation are standing in solidarity with Occupy Oakland’s Nov. 2 Day of Action. In a message to activists, council Executive Secretary-Treasurer Josie Camacho says working families are “inspired by the spirit of the fight against Wall Street.”

This Day of Action will be a public demonstration of support for the right to peaceably assembly without interference, and against the growing wealth and income inequality created by Wall Street and the actions of the richest 1 percent.

Occupy movements continue to stay strong across the nation. In Montana, union members joined Occupy Helena protesters in a march and rally. Says Montana State AFL-CIO Executive Secretary Al Ekblad:

Comment by polly
2011-11-01 12:16:37

No.

You have to make more than twice that to be in the 1%.

Comment by Elanor
2011-11-01 14:41:10

Heck, according to the Wall Street Journal, I am not a 1%er. It was kind of a shock to realize just HOW overpaid the 1% must be. ;)

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 12:17:56

IIRC the threshold for a 1%er was a bit higher than 200K.

Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-01 12:19:30

But don’t let that stop you from being angry with the wrong group of people … the real 1%’ers are counting on it!

Comment by cactus
2011-11-01 12:27:22

The 1% may even up the pay for safety workers if they feel they need to be protected from the other 99%

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Comment by Rancher
2011-11-01 16:33:12

Are you safe if you’re in the 2% group?

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2011-11-01 12:09:29

I think I am already sick of the Christmas commercials and it has barely started (a few early ones about lay away plans being available).

Niece and nephew are already taken care of. Other kids are too old for me to know how to shop for them, so they get gift certificates. Rest are adults and get the same gifts year after year. Is there a way for me to tell the commercial powers-that-be that they would be much better off trying to convince me to switch toilet paper brands than trying to sell me Christmas junk? Seriouly, cartoon bears worried about “pieces” on their behinds is better than this stuff.

 
Comment by BlueStar
2011-11-01 12:19:57

Machiavelli updated for the modern world of business and politics.

The 48 Laws of Power

1 Never outshine the master.
2 Never put too much trust in friends; learn how to use enemies.
3 Conceal your intentions.
4 Always say less than necessary.
5 So much depends on reputation. Guard it with your life.
6 Court attention at all costs.
7 Get others to do the work for you, but always take the credit.
8 Make other people come to you; use bait if necessary.
9 Win through your actions, never through argument.
10 Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky.
11 Learn to keep people dependent on you.
12 Use selective honesty and generosity to disarm your victim.
13 When asking for help, appeal to people’s self-interests, never to their mercy or gratitude.
14 Pose as a friend, work as a spy.
15 Crush your enemy totally.
16 Use absence to increase respect and honor.
17 Keep others in suspended terror: cultivate an air of unpredictability.
18 Do not build fortresses to protect yourself. Isolation is dangerous.
19 Know who you’re dealing with; do not offend the wrong person.
20 Do not commit to anyone.
21 Play a sucker to catch a sucker: play dumber than your mark.
22 Use the surrender tactic: transform weakness into power.
23 Concentrate your forces.
24 Play the perfect courtier.
25 Re-create yourself.
26 Keep your hands clean.
27 Play on people’s need to believe to create a cultlike following.
28 Enter action with boldness.
29 Plan all the way to the end.
30 Make your accomplishments seem effortless.
31 Control the options: get others to play with the cards you deal.
32 Play to people’s fantasies.
33 Discover each man’s thumbscrew.
34 Be royal in your fashion: act like a king to be treated like one.
35 Master the art of timing.
36 Disdain things you cannot have: Ignoring them is the best revenge.
37 Create compelling spectacles
38 Think as you like but behave like others.
39 Stir up waters to catch fish.
40 Despise the free lunch.
41 Avoid stepping into a great man’s shoes.
42 Strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter.
43 Work on the hearts and minds of others.
44 Disarm and infuriate with the mirror effect.
45 Preach the need for change, but never reform too much at once.
46 Never appear perfect.
47 Do not go past the mark you aimed for; in victory, learn when to stop.
48 Assume formlessness.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 12:34:54

Hey maybe this fella could find something u$eful on your li$t?

Yikes! :-/

35. Master the art of timing.

Jets Quarterback Mark Brunell’s Catastrophic Financial Path:
Tuesday, November 1, 2011

Although he has a better playoff winning percentage than Peyton Manning, 18-year NFL quarterback Mark Brunell is facing a financial nightmare.

Action News Jacksonville reports the current Jets backup and former Jaguars hero has managed to run through $50 million as an active player and will have to start a 9-to-5 job as soon as his NFL career is over.

And that will be soon. Brunell plans to retire from the Jets after this season and, because of his financial misfortunes, will have to become a regular working stiff. Bankruptcy filings show Brunell has a job lined up to work as a medical sales representative after he’s done holding a clipboard in New York.

Brunell, 40, blew all his money with lousy investments into nine businesses — more than half of which are already closed. His most ponderous financial disaster was in Champion LLC, a company that invested in high-end real estate properties. That may have worked out great had the housing market not soured over the course of Brunell’s NFL career. He also invested in a Whataburger fast-food franchise, and ended up losing every penny he invested and even more according to financial documents. Brunell attempted to cover the loans with his own cash.

If that’s not harsh enough, the three-time Pro Bowl quarterback is facing six lawsuits. Brunell is on the hook for a whopping $24.7 million, according to the litigation.

Comment by 2banana
2011-11-01 12:54:10

Peyton Manning is not TBTF…

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-01 15:00:26

“Peyton Manning is not TBTF…”

In the most important way he is.

Children’s Hospital

St. Vincent Children’s Hospital was renamed “Peyton Manning Children’s Hospital at St. Vincent” on September 6, 2007 after Peyton Manning. For nearly a decade, the Indianapolis Colts quarterback has had a strong relationship with St. Vincent Health and St. Vincent Children’s Hospital including sponsoring monthly events, made countless private patient visits, served as a spokesperson for various child health and safety initiatives, and has dedicated patient rooms with personal and professional memorabilia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Vincent_Indianapolis_Hospital - 47k

Charitable works

Shortly after beginning his NFL career, Manning started his own charity, the Peyback Foundation. The Peyback Foundation’s mission is to help disadvantaged kids, and focuses its efforts in Louisiana, Tennessee, and Indiana.[202]

Manning, along with his brother Eli, volunteered their assistance in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Among the tasks performed, the Mannings assisted in the delivery of 30,000 pounds of water, Gatorade, baby formula, diapers, and pillows to the people of New Orleans.[203]

On September, 2007, St. Vincent Hospital in Indianapolis renamed its children’s hospital to “Peyton Manning Children’s Hospital at St. Vincent.” Manning and his wife made a donation of an undisclosed amount to St. Vincent’s and have had a relationship with the hospital since his arrival in Indianapolis.[204][205]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning - 651k

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-01 13:10:42

There’s a very good article in the latest issue of Business Week or Forbes about an NBA player who’s managed to save most of his money. And he’s the exception, not the rule.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 13:53:54

Machiavelli

He would have failed Cheney’s pre-employment interview just on this alone:

Machiavelli was responsible for the Florentine militia, including the City’s defense. He distrusted mercenaries (a distrust he explained in his official reports, and then later in his theoretical works), preferring a politically invested citizen-militia - a philosophy that bore fruit.

Moreover this Xe/CIA type treatment to him might have have given Cheney-$hrub’s “$hock & Awe!” policies intellectual pause, then again,… maybe knot. ;-)

The Florentine city-state and the Republic were dissolved. Machiavelli was deprived of office in 1512 by the Medici, and, in 1513, was accused of conspiracy, and arrested and imprisoned for a time. Despite torture (”with the rope”, where the prisoner is hanged from his bound wrists, from the back, forcing the arms to bear the body’s weight, thus dislocating the shoulders), he denied involvement and was released; then, retiring to his estate, at Sant’Andrea in Percussina, near San Casciano in Val di Pesa, he devoted himself to study and writing the political treatises that earned his intellectual place in the development of political philosophy and political conduct

 
Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-11-01 16:29:44

+1

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-01 12:20:39

Fear! Fear! Fear! (Eyes tell ya, the “TrueFearMonger$™” just love’$ it!) OMG!

Don’t Raise Taxes or Cut Defense: Opinion
By Peter Morici, Senior Contributor to TheStreet , On Monday October 31, 2011
The following commentary comes from an independent investor or market observer as part of TheStreet’s guest contributor program, which is separate from the company’s news coverage.

Democrats appear intent on handicapping the national economy with higher taxes and imperiling national security by cutting defense. Those are the wrong places to solve the nation’s budget woes.

U.S. military hardware is aging and becoming less effective. Sons are manning fighters flown by fathers, and the typical Air Force bomber is 34 years old.

The number of Air force fighters has decreased from 3,602 in 2000 to 1,990 in 2011 and will fall to 1,739 at current funding levels. Similarly, the number of navy ships is down from 316 to 288, and will fall to 263. Sequestration would reduce those numbers much further.

Cyberwarfare and China, which is building a navy to challenge the U.S. in the Pacific, do not shift U.S. security challenges from one venue to another but rather add to the challenges.

Specifically, U.S. and allied dependence on Middle East oil will continue for another generation — even with the best efforts to develop alternative energy resources — and U.S. naval assets cannot be shifted from the Persian Gulf to counter China’s buildup in the Pacific. Economic and political upheavals in Europe and North Africa make the U.S. naval presence in the Mediterranean and North Atlantic even more vital.

Current Chinese military spending is only about 17% of U.S. base budget outlays, but China’s currency is widely acknowledged to be undervalued. Applying IMF Purchasing Power Parity exchange rates, Chinese spending is 27% of the U.S. base budget. Based on recent growth, China’s military spending would be 66% of U.S. levels in 2021 without sequestration, and 60% with sequestration.

China does not have troops, aircraft and naval assets tied up around the world with established commitments, and with defense spending at 60% of U.S. levels, it will seriously challenge the U.S. guarantee of security to Taiwan, Japan and even Australia.

To get the economy going and meet U.S. security commitments, the budget deficit must be tackled, but that begins with finally recognizing Social Security, health care and education must be reformed to absorb fewer, not more, national resources.

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-01 13:19:43

OK, except you forgot to tell me why old people, sick people and children are unimportant relative to having brand new bully mobiles.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2011-11-01 14:21:12

For the Federal Reserve, policymaking these days is about deciding which of two imposing evils to take on - a decidedly moribund economy or the increasing threat that inflation poses to battered consumers.
For much of the slow slog out of the financial crisis, the Fed which is meeting this week and will issue its policy statement Wednesday, has managed to train its gaze on jump-starting growth through its various quantitative easing measures.
But recent indicators show that inflation is posing an equally daunting threat that further monetary accommodation from the Fed might serve only to aggravate.
The pressure has come primarily through measures that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke likes to call “transitory” - namely, the volatile but steady rise of food and energy prices that don’t make up core inflation measures but usually impact consumers more.

Economists increasingly believe that while the so-called core Consumer Price Index (CPI) measure has remained around the 2 percent level that pleases the Fed, headline inflation that includes things such as groceries and gasoline is becoming a growing menace. The more inclusive inflation measure is at 3.9 percent and hammering at consumers, including the 14 million who remain unemployed.

“Contrary to some monetary policymaker protestations, we believe the rise in food and energy costs is highly unlikely to be temporary, although weaker global growth is likely to slow the rate of projected future gains,” Joseph A. LaVorgna, chief U.S. economist at Deutsche Bank, wrote in an analysis.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-11-01 15:52:30
Comment by Muggy
2011-11-01 17:24:52

This is so overblown. That happens ALL the time. I’ve been bitten, had feces thrown at me, and as recently as last year was threatened by a bona fide gang member now in jail. I bet there’s more to this story. That would be a call to DCF IMHO, or at least an interview for more info… she clearly doesn’t not trust authority so I would guess she is being abused at home, or at least receives disproportionate punishment for minor stuff. She also probably has poor nutrition…

Part of the business of education…

Comment by Muggy
2011-11-01 17:35:35

“doesn’t not”

Whoops, you know what I meant!

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2011-11-01 19:09:36

That’s the difference muggy it used to NOT happen all the time….it was rare and everyone knew about it…the parents had to come to school and apologize …or else.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-01 20:12:22

Kids these days…

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2011-11-01 18:05:08

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-01/lawmakers-to-propose-transaction-tax-for-financial-firms-modeled-on-europe.html

GOP opposes transaction tax, naturally, since their Wall Street pimps would have to pay up for all their algo-driven HFT trades that have driven retail investors (except for idiots) out of this rigged Ponzi market.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-01 20:16:16

GOP opposes transaction tax

Considering the economic developments these days, like implementing their policies, are the GOP dumb?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 19:32:59

The Financial Times
November 1, 2011 7:28 pm
Creditors can huff but they need debtors
By Martin Wolf

Blessed are the creditors, for they shall inherit the earth. This is not in the Sermon on the Mount. Yet creditors believe it: if everybody were a creditor, we would have no unpaid debts and financial crises. That, creditors believe, is the way to behave. They are mistaken. Since the world cannot trade with Mars, creditors are joined at the hip to the debtors. The former must accumulate claims on the latter. This puts them in a trap of their own making.

Three of the world’s four largest economies – China, Germany and Japan – are creditors: they run current account surpluses, in good and in bad times (see charts). They believe they are entitled to lecture debtors on their follies. China, an ascendant superpower, enjoys berating the US for its imprudence. Japan, a US ally, is more discreet. Germany’s ambitions are closer to home. It wishes to turn its eurozone partners into good Germans, instead.

Yet creditors are vulnerable. Their economies have a capacity to supply goods and services that borrowers desire far larger than their own residents will ever buy. Deficit economies are mirror images: their capacity to supply such goods and services falls short of their demand. These surpluses and deficits are embedded in both kinds of economy.

Within creditor countries, the producers of tradeable goods and services are a powerful lobby for the supply of credit to debtors. Private funding will halt once financiers realise how bad their lending has been. Policymakers are then caught between throwing good money after bad or tolerating brutal adjustment, as their markets disappear. In punishing profligate borrowers, they also damage their own citizens.

This story lies behind what is happening to the world. It is behind the agenda of the European summit of last week and that of the Group of 20 leading economies this weekend. As Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England, stated in a recent speech, it is the story behind all the crises since 2007: “Persistent trade surpluses in some countries and deficits in others did not reflect a flow of capital to countries with profitable investment opportunities, but to countries that borrowed to finance consumption or had lost competitiveness. The result was unsustainably high levels of consumption (whether public or private) in the US, UK and a range of other advanced economies and unsustainably low levels of consumption in China and other economies in Asia, and some advanced economies with persistent trade surpluses, such as Germany and Japan.” In brief: everybody helped make a mess and everybody has to play their part in fixing it.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 22:18:00

“(Creditor) economies have a capacity to supply goods and services that borrowers desire far larger than their own residents will ever buy. Deficit economies are mirror images: their capacity to supply such goods and services falls short of their demand. These surpluses and deficits are embedded in both kinds of economy.”

This all adds up to a description of the modern creditor-debtor symbiosis as a rather sickly caricature of David Ricardo’s Theory of Comparative Advantage, wherein Nation A produces what Nation B needs but finds relatively more expensive to produce, and Nation B reciprocally produces what Nation A lacks but would find more costly to produce.

There is nothing in David Ricardo’s theory about vampire squids making crap loans to plankton, then feasting on the carnage which ensues as the loans go into default.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 23:30:16

Now that we have finally morphed from the denial phase of the housing bubble stages of grief to the anger phase, I can’t wait for this to end. I take no pleasure in watching images of violence on American soil.

Attention Occupy Oakland and Bay Area Police: The Lessons of 1934
By Conor Friedersdorf
Nov 2 2011, 6:00 AM ET

In a past recession, an attempt to shut down the San Francisco waterfront showed the strategic and moral folly of turning violent

It is a volatile moment in the San Francisco Bay Area: galvanized by the Occupy Wall Street movement, the injury an Iraq War veteran suffered when police tried to clear Occupy Oakland from the streets, the 2009 killing of Oscar Grant III by a Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer, and a 2003 incident when police brutalized Iraq War opponents, activists are attempting a citywide strike Wednesday, when they’ll try to disrupt commerce and shut down Oakland’s port. “At meetings of Occupy Oakland, many of the people I spoke with watched the unfolding occupation with sympathy–but just watched,” Gabriel Thompson writes in The Nation. “It took the raid, the images of tear gas clouds and a bloodied Scott Olsen to get them into the streets.” Said Oakland Councilwoman Patricia Kernighan, “This is sort of a perfect storm of dysfunction.”

Before taking to the streets, Occupy Oakland protesters and the Bay Area police officers preparing to meet them would do well to look back at another tumultuous moment in the Bay Area: the summer of 1934, when longshoreman struggled to unionize ports along the West Coast. The strikes and confrontations with police culminated on July 5, 1934, also known as Bloody Thursday. Three were killed and 31 people shot as widespread rioting rocked San Francisco, and both police and longshoremen attacked one another with guns, riot sticks, and hurled objects. Those bygone events and Wednesday’s general strike are different in all sorts of ways. Most notably, the International Longshoremen Worker’s Union, which these days has a pretty sweet labor deal, is encouraging its members to work their normal shifts on the Oakland waterfront. Still, there are similarities and contrasts at which to marvel, and lessons to be gleaned.

The biggest takeaway: during the Summer of 1934, increasing the intensity of police attacks on strikers only stiffened their resolve, spreading solidarity and exacerbating disorder; and similarly, attacks on police officers that led to serious injury or the imminent danger of it bolstered their resolve, provoking the establishment to call in more force, eventually including National Guard troops with machine guns. Whether you’re an Occupy Oakland organizer or a police commander, the challenge is the same — in a volatile situation that could turn violent at any moment, the ultimate advantage usually redounds to the side that is seen as being attacked, and especially to the side that suffers a serious injury; the trick is persuading those under you, “Whatever else you do, don’t seriously injure or kill someone on the other side.” In 1934, even funerals were exploited for tactical gain.

My favorite account of the dockworkers strike comes from Endangered Dreams, Kevin Starr’s wonderful history of Depression-era California. He describes numerous engagements, almost all of them showing how violence tends to escalate. “As the long line of longshoremen attempted to cross over to the dock side of the Embarcadero at Pier 18, a detachment of mounted and foot-patrol police officers charged into the formation, clubs swinging. The longshoremen resisted with fists, bricks, and cobblestones. A number of officers were pulled from their horses,” he writes of one early street battle. “The police withdrew, regrouped, then fired tear gas. When a cluster of longshoremen made a move in the direction of Pier 20, police lieutenant Joseph Mignola ordered his men to fire their shotguns into the crowd. Fortunately, the distances were too great for fatalities, although many longshoremen were peppered with buckshot.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 23:36:47

“…the consultants will determine what recompense wronged homeowners deserve.”

Whatever happened to using the court system to decide how to punish criminals?

4 million borrowers eligible for foreclosure review

By Brady Dennis, Tuesday, November 1, 4:06 PM

More than 4 million borrowers who have faced foreclosure since early 2009 will have the chance to have their cases reviewed for potential wrongdoing, federal regulators and some of the nation’s largest mortgage servicers announced Tuesday.

The reviews stem from a deal forged earlier this year in which 14 servicers agreed to hire independent consultants to evaluate whether borrowers suffered financial injury during the foreclosure process. If a review finds errors or abuses by the financial firms, the consultants will determine what recompense wronged homeowners deserve.

On Tuesday, servicers began mailing letters to the estimated 4 million borrowers whose loans were in the process of foreclosure between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2010, detailing how to request a review of an individual case.

Officials at the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, which crafted the April servicer agreement along with the Federal Reserve, said the mailings would continue through the end of the year and be accompanied by a large-scale marketing campaign to make borrowers aware of the effort. Additional information is available at http://www.IndependentForeclosureReview.com or 1-888-952-9105.

Requests for review must be received by April 30, 2012.

“There is no cost to the borrower for this review,” Joe Evers, deputy comptroller for large banks at the OCC, said in a call with reporters Tuesday.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 23:41:56

“We the People,” Not “We the Corporations”
by Jim Hightower · October 27, 2011

A year from now, Americans will be caught in an unprecedented blizzard of presidential campaign ads. We’ll be blinded by the whiteout and buried in the storm’s negativity.

For the first time ever, most of this ad blizzard will not come from the candidates, but from ads secretly funded by huge corporations. This is because a five-man cabal on the Supreme Court issued an edict last year that perverts nature itself. In a case titled Citizens United, the five decreed that — shazam! — lifeless corporate entities are henceforth “persons” with more electioneering rights than … well, us real-life persons.

In a black-robed coup against our democracy, the Supremes ruled that a corporation’s money is “speech” and that CEOs may dump unlimited sums of it into their own ad campaigns to elect or defeat any candidates they choose.

Of course, Wal-Mart, Goldman Sachs, ExxonMobil and the rest are nothing but legalistic constructs — really just pieces of paper issued by state governments. It’s a grotesque, Kafkaesque lie to say they are equal to — much less superior to — human beings. As a friend of mine puts it, “A corporation is not a person until Texas executes one!”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 23:45:27

Former Marine’s injury spurs vets to join Occupy movement
By Gary Strauss, USA TODAY
Updated 1h 52m ago

Occupy Oakland protesters carry off ex-Marine and Iraq War vet Scott Olsen after he was hit by a police projectile last week.

By Kimihiro Hoshino, AFP/Getty Images

Spurred by an injury to one of their own, military veterans are mobilizing to increase their presence and profile in the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Wednesday on Wall Street, the New York City chapter of Iraq Veterans Against the War and dozens of other uniformed veterans known as “Veterans of the 99%” are expected to mass near Wall Street, where Occupy began Sept. 17.

Although they’ve been participating in Occupy protests throughout the country, vets say their ranks have been swelling since last week, when former Marine and Iraq War vet Scott Olsen sustained a skull fracture when he was hit by a police projectile at an Occupy Oakland protest . Although still hospitalized, Olsen, 24, is expected to make a full recovery.

“His injury has definitely galvanized veterans,” says University of Illinois senior Scott Kimball, who served in Iraq as an Army specialist. He’ll be helping coordinate today’s New York City event, which begins with an 11 a.m. march from Vietnam Veterans Plaza to Liberty Square.

“We’re getting calls from veterans across the country who are extremely angry and appalled that someone who served two tours in Iraq got injured as a well-behaved protester,” says Kimball, 27. “It’s rallying vets across the country. We’re just seeing the beginning of it.”

Interim Oakland Police Chief Howard Jordan has said that the events leading up to Olsen’s injury would be investigated as vigorously as a fatal police shooting.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 23:49:44

Market Features
A Triple-Dip in Housing Could Get Ugly
By Debra Borchardt
11/01/11 - 08:02 PM EDT

NEW YORK (TheStreet — Another drop in house prices? Dr. Dani Babb says it could be worse than some are saying.

Fiserv (FISV_) recently issued a report that suggests pent-up foreclosures are readying to flood the market and send house prices down another 3.6% by June.

This would be a new low of 35% off the peak prices reached in 2006. The analysis suggests that banks have been unable to pursue foreclosures as a result of the robo-signing scandal. Now the banks are getting close to moving past the scandal and since the job market hasn’t recovered, many homeowners may end up losing their homes.

Dr. Babb, the founder of the Babb Group and the author of several real estate books including The Accidental Landlord, says many analysts neglect to count what she call “sidelined” home sellers. These are homeowners that pulled their homes from the market because they didn’t like the price or had no buyers. Sidelined homes also include homes where deals don’t go through because sellers can’t get appraisals or the banks pull financing at the closing.

Babb believes these sidelined homes could swell the housing market’s inventory by as much as 25%. Add that to the glut of homes likely to hit the market come spring and she thinks the prices could actually come off as much as 37% from the peak. That’s a decline more in the range of 4-5%.

She also added that some homeowners that can’t get the modifications they that want are purchasing cheaper homes at lower interest rates as second homes. Then they walk away from the primary home and let the bank foreclose on the primary home while living in the secondary home.

“There are even blogs devoted to advising people how to go about doing this and which banks are the best suited for this stunt,” said Babb, who is a licensed real estate agent.

Ultimately, Dr. Babb thinks it’s best for the banks to unload the toxic inventory. “That’s the only way the market will eventually recover,” said Babb. “The artificial props have to go away for the homes to find their true values.”

Once the banks can get rid of the underperforming loans, they can begin to write new loans, she said. “For now, the banks aren’t willing to lend.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-01 23:51:17

SD farmland values triple in a decade; experts say market forces different than in the 1980s
By Associated Press
10:12 a.m. CDT, November 1, 2011

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — A rapid rise in South Dakota farmland values likely cannot be sustained, but a crash similar to the 1980s farm crisis is unlikely, industry officials say.

South Dakota farmland values have tripled in the past decade thanks to low interest rates and high commodity prices, the Argus Leader reported (http://argusne.ws/rYbkNW ) Tuesday. The value of agricultural land in the state has risen from $421 per acre to $1,374 since 2002.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-02 00:05:03

Gold bugs are counting on central banks revving up their money presses in an attempt to quell the Greek debt panic.

Gold firms as Greek debt fear returns
By Rujun Shen
SINGAPORE | Wed Nov 2, 2011 2:12am EDT

(Reuters) - Gold prices firmed on Wednesday, riding on renewed safe-haven demand as fears about Greece’s debt crisis returned after its government shocked the markets with a call for a referendum on a European Union aid deal.

Greece’s cabinet decided early on Wednesday to back Prime Minister George Papandreou’s proposal for a referendum on the EU deal, a government spokesman said.

U.S. gold rose as much as 1 percent to $1,729.4 an ounce, and eased slightly to $1,727.20 by 0314 GMT (11:14 p.m. EDT).

Spot gold inched up 0.4 percent to $1,725.09.

Meanwhile, the euro wallowed near a three-week low against the dollar, and Asian shares wiped out gains made during the huge relief rally last week that followed an agreement among European leaders to help reduce Greece’s huge debts.

“People who hadn’t realized before should realize now that Europe’s issues will continue to be troublesome and difficult,” said Jeremy Friesen, commodities strategist at Societe Generale in Hong Kong.

“There will continue to be risks, which will put more and more pressure on central banks, especially the ECB (European Central Bank), to be more accommodative, which will be bullish for precious metals.”

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-11-02 00:14:14

Slim,

A few years back I had to deal with the neurotic $hi# dog collection issues of a neighbor who simply locked the poor beasts in cages, went off to work, came home eventually and got plastered, and let them bark. And bark. And bark. And bark. All day and all night for literally a year and a half.

Introducing myself nicely and asking for her cooperation got me threatened with a lawsuit for “harassment(!)”. Calling animal control didn’t work because she WAS the animal control officer for the district. Repeatedly calling her superiors in Resources Management didn’t work, nor did calls to PETA, Fish and Game, or the local sheriff (good old boy network, don’t you know…) although the sheriff did come by one night at 3 am and reported that all five were “barking their damned fool heads off….” but what could he do? She was the officer he reported it to.

What DID finally work was standing outside on my balcony at two in the morning recording each extended nightly barkfest on my webcam and then posting it to YouTube the next morning along with snide commentary and editorials about Kern Kounty Kronyism and the House of Misery its animal control officer maintained in our little valley. I may have made a few untowards comments about what she might be doing with all those dog in her off hours, too, as I recall.

Thirty or so episodes with amusing little backstories I supposed the beasts were trying to tell us about later, “Julie (Redacted’s) Barking Dogs” went viral with anti-bark fan clubs in Singapore, France, Brazil, all over the US, and Canada. People all over the PLANET hated those barking dogs! The Aussies were particularly forthcoming with possible “permanent solutions” for dogs that simply wouldn’t shut up– they’re quite businesslike about it, actually.

At the height of the postings, I was getting about 100 letters a week to the site thanking me for starting the exchange. (I’ll deal with your barking dog issue, if you’ll deal with mine sort of thing….) Hey, it was something to do all night long while I couldn’t sleep.

Anyway, the offending public servant finally met her comeuppance when out on a call, she tazed an 84- year-old obese lady who had been hoarding dogs and LEFT HER LYING THERE in the driveway for 45 minutes without calling 911 while they took her dogs away from her. The woman suffered a heart attack, and HER daughter was a lawyer, and a few months later, the house with Julie (Redacted’s,) barking dogs was back on the market as a failed flip –and no one has seen her since.

YouTube banned me for life when word of the site’s popularity reached the relevant county services gerbils, (on privacy issues, I think, although I never identified her by her correctly-spelled name, or published any geographical details that might identify where she lived. ) But it’s been quiet over there for the last four years as new FB after new FB attempts to turn a tear-down dogs’ nest in to a livable human habitation.

But they can’t. The place is haunted you see….

I highly recommend public shaming and persistence in presenting documented evidence of civic miscreance to those who pay the offender’s paychecks– in my case, recordings of the barking dogs played up close and real time into the County Answering service’s telephone answering machine at 3:30 in the morning every night for a couple of weeks. Along with the YouTube postings, a few office hour calls and affidavits, and a few well-slipped linkeypoos into the appropriate country websites….

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-02 22:49:04

At what point does a peaceful, Constitutionally-supported protest morph into an illegal blockade?

Port protesters split into groups, some head back downtown
By Kristin J. Bender, Cecily Burt and Sean Maher
Oakland Tribune
Posted: 11/02/2011 08:45:52 AM PDT
Updated: 11/02/2011 09:56:18 PM PDT

OAKLAND — Satisfied that they successfully shut down the Port of Oakland for day shift operations, peaceful protesters are beginning to thin out as hundreds head back downtown for a 10 p.m. meeting at the Occupy Oakland encampment.

The Pacific Maritime Association requested 200 stevedores to work the night shift at the port and those crews have arrived. The California Highway Patrol has also reopened the freeways around the port.

Before the sun set Wednesday, more than 4,500 arrived at the port and stretched several blocks down Middle Harbor Road leading into the port as they begin their attempt to shut down operations.

Port Director Omar Benjamin asked that everyone remain calm, respectful and safe. Police in riot gear arrived but there were no clashes between officers and protesters.

“Specifically, we ask that demonstrators allow port workers safe passage home,” he said. “Please allow our fellow 99 percent to get home safe to their families.”

 
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