November 8, 2011

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Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-08 03:43:31

“We’re going to see this continued market dive for another five years,”

“Next year, you’ll start seeing the banks unloading these homes left and right.”

Report: 46% of home sellers in Palm Beach County take loss

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 12:11 a.m. Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2011

People selling their homes in Palm Beach County lost money nearly 46 percent of the time during the third quarter of this year, according to a new report from real estate analysis firm Zillow.

The percentage of homes, including single-family, condominiums and townhomes, that sold for a loss between July and the end of September, was a 3.4 percent increase from the previous quarter and at an elevated rate predicted to continue through at least next year.

Nationally, 34 percent of homes sold for a loss in September, an increase from 31 percent during the same time in 2010.

Stan Humphries, chief economist for Seattle-based Zillow, said he expects home prices to decline another 3 percent to 5 percent before reaching a bottom nationwide.

In Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade counties, 46.7 percent of homeowners with mortgages owed more on their loan than their home was worth during the third quarter. That’s up slightly from 45.8 percent in the second quarter.

Negative home equity, sometimes referred to as being underwater, also was up nationally, increasing from 26.8 percent in the second quarter to 28.6 percent in the third.

Stan Humphries, chief economist for Seattle-based Zillow, said he expects home prices to decline another 3 percent to 5 percent before reaching a bottom nationwide.

In Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade counties, 46.7 percent of homeowners with mortgages owed more on their loan than their home was worth during the third quarter. That’s up slightly from 45.8 percent in the second quarter.

Jeff Shanley, president of Pembroke Pines-based Ambire Group Holdings, said it’s optimistic to think South Florida home values will hit bottom in 2012.

Shanley’s company manages foreclosures for banks. He’s concerned about the growing shadow inventory of distressed homes that are either in foreclosure or already repossessed but not on the market.

“We’re going to see this continued market dive for another five years,” he said Monday as he waited for Habitat for Humanity to take unwanted furniture from a foreclosed condominium on Riviera Beach’s Singer Island. “Next year, you’ll start seeing the banks unloading these homes left and right.”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/real-estate/report-46-percent-of-home-sellers-in-palm-1955970.html

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-08 06:46:29

Back when the victims sang a different tune.

Those were the days my friend
We thought they’d never end
We’d sing and dance forever and a day
We’d live the life we choose
This house we’d never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way.

Hot housing markets

The latest numbers: Double-digit gains in 62 markets; Florida steps into the limelight.

February 15, 2005: 11:40 AM EST
By Sarah Max, CNN/Money senior writer

A record number of metropolitan areas – 62 out of 129 – experienced double-digit home-price gains between the fourth quarter of 2003 and the fourth quarter of 2004. The previous record was set during the second quarter when 49 metros were up 10 percent or more. (Table: See all the markets.)

“With more buyers than sellers nationally, what we’re seeing is a natural pressure on home prices as buyers compete to bid on available properties,” said NAR chief economist David Lereah. “Fortunately, the historically low cost of debt service on a home purchase means that we have a comfortable buffer in most of the country because the typical family can afford to buy a home well above the median price.

Lereah’s new book, “Are You Missing the Real Estate Boom?” (Currency/Doubleday), is scheduled to be released in March and predicts that real estate investments will climb through the end of the decade.

But Florida is stealing some of the limelight from California. Six of the top 10 markets for the fourth quarter were in the Sunshine State. Prices in West Palm Beach and Boca Raton increased 34 percent over the past year, while in Bradenton they were up 32 percent.

“The Boomers are in their peak earning years, buying second homes and retiring to Florida,” said Lereah. “We’re seeing a lot of development and a lot of building but demand is greater than supply.”

http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/15/real_estate/metromarkets/ - 50k -

Comment by Big V
2011-11-08 15:03:26

I remember how obnoxious it used to be, back when we were forced to read precious lines such as “The Boomers are in their peak earning years, buying second homes and retiring to Florida”.

If they are RETIRING, then they are not in their peak earning years. They’re in their nonearning years, with “non” being the operative term in that sentence.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-08 06:55:41

What will the OWS help change? Only the way people think and behave…

Kids Today

Occupy Wall Street is part of a major shift in ethical behavior among young people.

Occupy Wall Street is an especially interesting collective action movement because it embodies a distinctive and pervasive shift in ethical orientation. The long-simmering forces that gave rise to the protests also have profoundly altered how students today view their place in society…

Significant ethical transformation, especially at a large scale, is rare. The new ethical orientation brought into relief by Occupy Wall Street didn’t arise because media coverage of the busted bubble brought injustice to society’s attention. Instead, catastrophic consequences touched people personally, and emotionally intense experiences centering on loss, political despair, and outrage over the lack of shared sacrifice, fostered a new solidarity that manifested in a new identity (“We are the 99%”). Much as we might like to believe that citizens agitate for moral change as soon as they become aware of injustice, the fact is that they often don’t. This is especially the case if agitation requires more than token gestures, such as signing petitions, making small donations, using political bumper stickers, or “liking” Facebook page…

In 2005… we developed games that require students to grapple with some of the problems of neoclassical economics that relate to sustainability. Each game places students in game-theoretic situations (e.g., the classic prisoner’s dilemma) that require them to consider what extent they are willing to advance their own position in the game at the expense of their classmates…

This term, we have observed something remarkable and new. Students are far more willing than their immediate predecessors to work collectively for the success of the class in their first attempt. Even greedy players, who are fewer in number this year, fail to precipitate the “everyone for themselves” mentality that results in tragedy. In fact, the 2011 students are more willing to forgive betrayal, negotiate with unscrupulous actors in ways that create remorse, and prompt remedial actions to correct the injustice.

To determine whether our students’ change was an outlier, we duplicated the game experience at several other colleges, where play took place within the classroom. We further recruited instructors to use EthicsCORE, a collaborative online resource environment, to offer blended learning (played partly in class and partly online) and wholly online versions of our games. These formats enable students from different universities to play together, without being in the same class…

The results have been uniform. Today’s college students exhibit a greater disposition to work collectively than students did just last year, or in the previous five years. They may not be camping out to protest publicly, but the forces that gave rise to Occupy Wall Street surely have influenced their ethical sensibilities.

We view both the Occupy Wall Street and the change of behavior in our classrooms as resulting from the shared experience of the Great Recession. However, we also anticipate that so long as catastrophic conditions persist and create large-scale, personally experienced effects, new movements are likely to emerge. This should give us profound pause. Collective action can be nonviolent or violent (as in the case of the London riots), benevolent or malevolent, constructive or destructive. The future of political action in the United States may not be as benign as the recent past or present.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2011/11/occupy_wall_street_is_a_symptom_of_a_shift_in_ethical_outlook_among_young_people_.html

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-08 07:07:52

“The housing bubble—the biggest of them all—has touched nearly all Americans in some personal way, carrying with it an undeniable sense of complicity. There were the bankers who intentionally invented mortgage-backed securities and derivatives that could not be priced to market; the ratings agencies that rated new financial engineering instruments as top-quality rather than the junk that they were; and homeowners who falsely stated incomes and took no-doc, no-principal, floating interest rate mortgages they couldn’t possibly afford.”

Kinda sums up both of our beefs doesn`t it alpha. What a Fuster cluck.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-08 10:42:55

We’ve found our common ground. Unfortunately, it’s in the center of a fuster cluck.

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Comment by michael
2011-11-08 07:09:51

resistance is futile.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 10:55:34

What will the OWS help change? Only the way people think and behave…

There is no doubt that OWS has changed things. The debate is completely changed. Just today on Yahoo there were 3 prominent stories on wealth inequality: “Remake America: Income Inequality” is a good, eye-opening video.

http://news.yahoo.com/remake-america/

The OWS has even slightly changed the narrative with Koch supported propaganda spewing “think tanks”. But they still ignore and twist facts to fit their rich master’s call. From today’s Heritage Foundation website with my comments in bold:

There is no doubt that Americans are suffering under tough economic times. (Ya think?) The jobless rate under the Obama Administration continues to remain high at 9 percent (but no mention of off-shoring, globalization and throwing American workers under the bus so the rich can get richer) while Washington is considering raising taxes to finance more government spending. (actually we need to raise taxes to fund CURRENT spending or even reduced spending. Why no mention of this FACT?) Americans are right to be frustrated, to decry out-of-control bailouts and corporate subsidies, and to voice their concerns. (Wow, a Heritage corporate shill is talking about bailouts and corporate subsidies. That’s a change but still no mention of wealth inequality, maybe next week)

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-11-08 13:09:16

From the whitehouse.gov site, here are the totals for federal expenditures, both on- and off-budget, for 2002 to 2011.

2002 $2.01 Trillion
2003 $2.16 Trillion
2004 $2.29 Trillion
2005 $2.47 Trillion
2006 $2.66 Trillion
2007 $2.73 Trillion
2008 $2.98 Trillion
2009 $3.52 Trillion
2010 $3.46 Trillion
2011 $3.82 Trillion (estimated)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
The numbers are from Table 1.1, an Excel spreadsheet.

You betcha we need to raise taxes to fund “current” spending. And that’s how the debate is framed. Only the Tea Party seems to complain about the absolutely breathtaking 90 percent (NINETY PERCENT!) rise of the last ten years. This is why they continually dig in their heels. Enough!

How ’bout a compromise back to, say, 2007 or 2008 spending levels. Or is that off the table? Does anyone here really feel we need to stay at $3.8+ Trillion in annual federal expenditures, which is a $1 Trillion rise in just five years?

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 13:30:45

Only the Tea Party seems to complain about the absolutely breathtaking 90 percent (NINETY PERCENT!) rise of the last ten years. This is why they continually dig in their heels. Enough!

Do they say “ENOUGH WARS”? or do they say stuff like “Keep the government out of my Social Security and Medicare?

 
 
 
Comment by ahansen
2011-11-08 11:06:32

It’s not surprising that a generation that grew up playing SimCity and a host of other increasingly more sophisticated Build-a-Society computer games would be more knowledgable about social interaction and long-term economic outcomes than those who grew up with Pong. Or network sitcoms.

Moreover, the 911 attacks created an instant frame of reference for these kids as they were coming of age. Cooperation and sacrifice in the name of the larger whole were seared into their collective psyche. And for many, the consequences of empire.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2011-11-09 10:24:20

“Today’s college students exhibit a greater disposition to work collectively than students did just last year”

Hmmm… I don’t think SimCity or 911 can explain a one year shift. But perhaps it was the Congessional debt ceiling debate as much as OWS.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-09 18:52:09

“…to work collectively…”

Got cheating?

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-08 07:01:05

3-5%??? Way to go out on a limb there. So I’m supposed to pay 12 rent payments to wait for house prices to drop by 4 rent payments?

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-08 10:27:38

Consider it 30% interest earned on your downpayment savings account. Tax free!

Comment by Muggy
2011-11-08 10:59:12

Thank you, Blue. Posts like these keep me grounded.

BTW, best of luck with your daughter. My dad spent a good deal of time in the past 8 years helping my sis in a similar situation — the only time I’ve been to Indiana was in the middle of the night to rescue my sis and her two babies. Courthouse in the morning to file a restraining order and then non-stop back to Roch. It has been a long, emotional pull for our family, but what’s right is not always easy.

Here’s the craziest irony: the ex lives here in St. Pete and I saw him at a bus stop (he doesn’t know I live here)

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Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-08 12:35:42

Thanks for the encouragement Muggy.

It is unfortunate how many people know too well the details of domestic violence.

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-11-08 23:45:21

Skye,

For what it’s worth:
After I got a temporary restraining order against a violent housemate, he had my house burned down. Our old timer local sheriff came to me and said,
“He’s going to kill you, and I won’t be able to help you. You need to let HIM get an order against you.”

I was outraged until this wise old sheriff went on to explain that only by equalizing the balance of power between us would the guy let up on his violence; that if HE had an order against ME, he’d have no reason to ever come in contact with me again, now would he?

I couldn’t argue with the logic, so I swallowed my pride and let the jerk pay off the judge and go for it. I never saw or heard from him again.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-11-08 09:08:53

“Next year, you’ll start seeing the banks unloading these homes left and right.”

Isn’t this the third year in a row that we’ve heard this same rumor, that banks would start unloading in the next year?

Comment by Martin
2011-11-08 12:25:00

After the re-elction fear is over among rulers, banks will start offloading. Probably around October-November 2012.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 10:36:22

Stan Humphries, chief economist for Seattle-based Zillow, said he expects home prices to decline another 3 percent to 5 percent before reaching a bottom nationwide.

Stan, my man, I think you’re a tad too optimistic. House prices still have a long ways to fall.

 
Comment by dennis mattingly
2011-11-08 13:50:51

I will be ready to buy in 5 years but I’ll be dead in 4.

Sooner or later, most likely sooner, time will be running out for the FB’s.

 
Comment by Big V
2011-11-08 15:00:57

Has there ever been a prediction of anything other than “a decline of 5% before hitting bottom”? If they made that prediction every 6 weeks for 5 years, they’d be right the last time.

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2011-11-08 05:38:33

Nevada Foreclosure Filings Dry Up After ‘Robo-Signing’ Law
Wall Stree Journal

Foreclosure filings in Nevada plunged in October during the first month of a new state law stiffening foreclosure-processing requirements.

Slightly more than 600 default notices were filed against homeowners through Oct. 25 in the state’s two most-populous counties, Las Vegas’s Clark County and Reno’s Washoe County. That was down from 5,360 in September, or an 88% drop, according to data tracked by ForeclosureRadar.com, a real-estate website that tracks such filings. Default notices represent the first step in processing foreclosures.

Nevada’s state Assembly passed a measure that took effect on Oct. 1 designed to crack down on “robo-signing,” where bank employees signed off on huge numbers of legal filings while falsely claiming to have personally reviewed each case. Banks suspended their foreclosure filings one year ago and have gradually restarted them after those and other improper foreclosure-processing practices surfaced.

Among other steps, the Nevada law makes it a felony—and threatens to hold individuals criminally liable—for making false representations concerning real estate title. Individuals are also subject to civil penalties of $5,000 for each violation.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-08 10:48:56

Revolt of the robots.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-08 05:41:30

Realtors Are Liars®

Comment by goon squad
2011-11-08 05:50:05

WRT 30% underwater articles, a big fat Simpsons’ Nelson HA-HA

Comment by Bad Chile
2011-11-08 06:13:49

I remember way back when (old fogey alert, even though I’m under 40) in my engineering economics class. One assignment was to create an amortization table in some low-feature spreadsheet program in the days before Excel. I still recall sitting in the university computer lab, staring at the screen with my jaw dropped and drool coming off the chin (the drool may have been more related to the party the night before), and thinking that I never wanted to ever borrow money.

Part of the new mortgage regulations should be a full amortization table, with the outstanding principal at each 12-month period requiring the signature of the borrower. And in big bold letters: “Please note that at the mid-point of the loan period, you will still owe 2/3 of the amount borrowed!”

Remember that Barbie Doll from about eight years ago that got roundly panned for saying “math is hard!”??? Maybe the anger had less to do with the obviously sexist comment and more to do with the fact that the matching Ken doll didn’t say the same thing…

Comment by oxide
2011-11-08 07:07:09

+10, chile!

The ARM amorts are even more jaw-dropping than the fixed. Payment #37 (or #61) is enough to scare anyone away. Even more fun is punching in an extra payment each month to principal and see how that knocks it down. Bankers don’t like it when you do that…

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Comment by polly
2011-11-08 08:08:46

That plus a table that would have done the same for the largest payment you would be expected to make in each month for the 30 year term.

People would have been stunned to see the increast pop up once the neg amortization switched over to fully amortizing payments. The amount of change might even have been enough to make people wary that they would “just be able to refi” before it happened.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 10:44:31

Part of the new mortgage regulations should be a full amortization table, with the outstanding principal at each 12-month period requiring the signature of the borrower. And in big bold letters: “Please note that at the mid-point of the loan period, you will still owe 2/3 of the amount borrowed!”

Excellent points!

BTW, the new federal consumer financial protection agency is interested in this sort of feedback from We The People. Why don’t you drop them a line?

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Comment by Bad Chile
2011-11-08 14:50:23

Thanks for the tip. Done.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2011-11-08 05:41:50

Nearly 29% of mortgaged homes underwater, report finds
MSNBC

A whopping 28.6 percent of homeowners with mortgages owe more on their loans than their homes could sell for, according to quarterly data released Tuesday by Zillow, a real estate website. That’s up from 26.8 percent in the second quarter. Home values declined only 0.2 percent from the second quarter but were down 4.4 percent year over year.

The rising percentage of homes with “negative equity” or “underwater” status is due largely to how long the foreclosure sale process takes rather than home value fluctuations, said Zillow chief economist Stan Humphries. Prior to the “robo-signing” scandal around foreclosures that came to light in 2010, the negative equity rate hovered in the 21 to 23 percent range, but has been in the 26 to 28 range since due to added delays in foreclosure sales. While the rate of foreclosures is dropping, the time required for foreclosures to sell has lengthened.

“We’re in uncharted waters,” Humphries said in an interview. “More than one in four homes underwater and about 9 percent unemployment is a recipe for more foreclosures.”

Homes with underwater status are often considered risks for future foreclosure, since owners could have trouble refinancing or selling and may opt for a foreclosure via “strategic default” if they feel they will never regain their lost equity.

Humphries estimates that home values will bottom out in 2012 at the earliest and said the foreclosure market will remain “robust” for the next two to four years.

In several cities, more than half of all homes with mortgages are underwater, including Phoenix (66.2 percent), Atlanta (58.7 percent), Riverside, Calif. (51.4 percent), Tampa (56.5 percent) and Sacramento (50.9 percent). Other big metro areas with a high percentage of underwater homes include Miami-Fort Lauderdale (46.7 percent), Chicago (46.2 pecent), Cleveland (41.5 percent) and Denver (38.5 percent).

The seemingly endless housing industry recession has caused a radical shift in opinion around home ownership.

A new survey found that only 52 percent of Americans still consider home ownership the American dream, while 48 percent consider it more of a nightmare.

The survey, by Columbus, Ohio-based Home Value Insurance Co., found that one-third of respondents thought buying a home was a risky investment and 18 percent said they were “not sure” they’d advise a younger person to buy one. About 85 percent said they consider now a bad time to sell but a good time to buy, while 23 percent of owners said they were likely to sell within five years.

Comment by scdave
2011-11-08 07:36:15

In several cities, more than half of all homes with mortgages are underwater ??

I read that sentence several times just to allow it to sink in…Here in silicon valley some area’s are quite robust…In fact, I would say a few area’s are at or slightly above the peak in 2006…Mt. View would be one good example…

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-08 10:00:12

That simply means prices have much further to fall in SV.

Comment by cactus
2011-11-08 13:49:04

That simply means prices have much further to fall in SV.”

I have a sinking feeling they will acually go up in price while other parts of the country continue down

Its almost like two different economies

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Comment by scdave
2011-11-08 10:18:54

I am not a forecaster RAL….I will leave that to you and the weather-man…Just presenting the facts…

 
Comment by cactus
2011-11-08 13:46:45

Here in silicon valley some area’s are quite robust…’

same here in Eastern Ventura Co. CA

Anything around 400K unless its a Townhome sells More than 550K takes longer

Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-11-08 13:59:46

Under $300k in SLO county is seeing a lot of action.
The “what is my payment” crowd is buying them up as are old people with cash trying to see a return on their money.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 14:03:45

..old people with cash trying to see a return on their money.

Something tells me that some of these elders are about to get a lesson in the harsh realities of landlording. In a nutshell, there are only so many good tenants out there. The rest? Well, let’s say that they’re good at giving headaches to others.

 
Comment by scdave
2011-11-08 14:41:27

+1 Slim…Spot on….Some are professional renters…They know exactly what the law is and what they can & cannot do…A nightmare for an unsophisticated landlord…

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2011-11-08 05:44:18

Foreclosure rates are now twice last year’s
AP

NEW YORK (AP) - Foreclosures on delinquent U.S. mortgages have almost doubled from this time last year, according to the latest reading from Fitch Ratings.

The higher foreclosure rates mean U.S. housing prices will probably fall another 10 percent before stabilizing, the ratings agency said Monday.

The rate of new foreclosures on delinquent loans has risen to over 10 percent a month, according to Fitch’s latest RMBS (residential mortgage-backed security) Performance Metric. That’s almost double the historical lows from a year ago, and is close to the 14 percent average rate between 2000 and 2010.

Fitch said foreclosures were lower this time last year after industrywide deficiencies in foreclosure procedures were revealed. Many foreclosures were found to be authorized by automatic “robo-signatures,” rather than being properly evaluated by bank employees.

Fitch said the higher foreclosure rate will push housing prices lower by increasing the inventory of houses on the market. But the full number of new houses on the market won’t be evident for another year, according to Fitch.

Comment by goon squad
2011-11-08 07:59:55

Meanwhile in this corner of flyover…

Denver Post: Foreclosure filings in Colorado fall, though state says a “sizable inventory” could still loom

“Foreclosures in Colorado continued to fall in the third quarter, leaving the state on track to see the fewest new foreclosures in any year since 2006, according to a report today from the Colorado Division of Housing.

New filings or notices were down 24.6 percent from the third quarter of 2010, and foreclosure sales were down 29.8 percent.”

And per a previous HBB post, 38% of metro Denver mortgages are underwater? Another DP article from 3 days ago notes that:

“The state has recovered only 30,000 of the 150,000 jobs it lost in the recession”

Post 2001 recession: the jobless recovery
Post 2008 depression: the recovery-less recovery

Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-08 10:43:54

And things are supposedly “better” in the Centennial State, what with our below average UE rate and above average median HH income.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 10:47:25

And here in Tucson, there are recently sold foreclosed houses (including one in mine own nabe) that are smack-dab in the path of a major road widening project. Methinks that the new owners of said houses won’t be too happy with the city’s eminent domain plans.

 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-11-08 09:52:05

Here come the resets…

Comment by oxide
2011-11-08 10:33:11

No, this is the rate of foreclosures on loans already delinquent. Resets would increase the rate of delinquency.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-11-08 13:10:51

Didn’t mean to be vauge. I meant in addition.

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Comment by FB wants a do over
2011-11-08 06:00:56

Man dangles for hours off NY’s Tappan Zee Bridge

TARRYTOWN, N.Y. (AP) — A fired government worker with a protest sign dangled for hours from New York’s Tappan Zee Bridge on Monday, backing up traffic for miles before dropping into the Hudson River and being hauled aboard a police boat.

Michael Davitt, 54, of Garnerville, N.Y., had been angry about being dismissed in 2008 from his counseling job with the Rockland County mental health department and was well known to law enforcement, county Sheriff James Kralik said.

On Monday morning, Davitt drove a van onto the bridge, lowered a rope ladder that was anchored to the van and climbed down, then sat in a harness for more than three hours about 65 feet above the river.

He swayed in the wind and occasionally swigged from a bottle.

Attached to his apparatus was a banner accusing Rockland officials of a “cover-up” and “retaliation.” “This is bizarre,” county spokesman Ron Levine said. “This is a very strange way of making a point.”

He said Davitt had applied for and been given a disability retirement pension.

At about 2 p.m., state police on the bridge deck attached tethers to the rope ladder and lowered Davitt nearly to the water, hoping to get him into a police boat, said state police Capt. Evelyn Mallard.

He then jumped from a height of about 10 feet and swam away, apparently uninjured. After a couple of minutes in the water, he grabbed a lifeline and was hauled onto a Yonkers police boat and handcuffed.

Comment by Bad Chile
2011-11-08 06:26:38

Sweet irony.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-11-08 06:30:46

Attached to his apparatus was a banner accusing Rockland officials of a “cover-up” and “retaliation.” “This is bizarre,” county spokesman Ron Levine said. “This is a very strange way of making a point.”

After the Penn St sex scandal nothing would shock me.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-11-08 08:25:12

“After the Penn St sex scandal nothing would shock me.”

Say good-bye, Paterno. The Sergeant Schultz defense isn’t going to work.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 08:47:44

Say good-bye, Paterno.

And just when he was getting started…..

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Comment by CrackerBob
2011-11-08 10:05:56

Paterno: “I told my superiors”

Why didn’t you just call the police? What an arrogant a**hole.

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Comment by scdave
2011-11-08 08:18:23

Yeah, and this guy was a counselor in the county metal health department…wow…

Comment by Steve J
2011-11-08 09:47:45

I find counselors are generally looking for the solution to thier own problems.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 10:52:06

Michael Davitt, 54, of Garnerville, N.Y., had been angry about being dismissed in 2008 from his counseling job with the Rockland County mental health department and was well known to law enforcement, county Sheriff James Kralik said.

True story: A very dear friend dated a psychiatrist for many years. The guy was, shall we say, not the most tightly wrapped fellow when not in psychiatrist mode.

However, when he was on his game, man, was he GOOD! In the summer of 1985, when I wasn’t in a very good state, I got a second opinion from him.

In less than 15 minutes, the guy heard my side of the treatment story, and oh, did he hear me out. I’ve seldom felt so listened to in my life.

In just those 15 minutes, he calmed me down, supported my wishes to do my own treatment without the use of psychotropic drugs, and that’s what I did. I owe the current quality of life to that man. Why? Because if I’d gone the drug route, I would have been dealing with some very nasty side effects. To the point where I might even be dead now.

So, thank you, Dr. Ed. And I do hope that you’ve found peace in the non-professional side of your life.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-11-08 06:30:55

OWS will not change one law
OWS will not get one new person elected
OWS will end in riots and violence

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Occupiers terrorize us: eatery
NY Post | November 8, 2011 | AMBER SUTHERLAND and BOB FREDERICKS

“I’ve been told, ‘Watch your back!’ 10 times,” Stacey Tzortzatos, owner of Panini & Co. Breads, located across from Zuccotti Park, told The Post yesterday.

She and her employees are terrified by the constant threats, which she said began after she demanded the protesters stop using her shop’s restroom as a place to bathe every day.

The final straw came about two weeks ago, when the demonstrators broke a bathroom sink, flooding the shop, and clogged the toilet — setting her back $3,000 in damages.

She put up a sign that said the bathroom was out of order, but they tore it down shortly afterward, she said.

“I have the police in here 10 times a day, [and] I’m the bouncer. I’ve been called the spawn of the devil. “It’s unbelievable what goes on in here every day, ” Tzortzatos said.

And on Friday, she said, a crazed squatter burst into the shop and demanded that workers fill a 10-gallon container of water.

When they refused, “he banged it on the ground and started yelling” and threatened the staff, she said.

“He said he was entitled to have it for free.”

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Community Board Asks “Occupy Wall Street” Protesters To Clean Up, Quiet Down
NY-1 News | Oct 20, 2011 | Michael Herzenberg

“This has been a nightmare,” said Brian Summers, who lives near Zuccotti Park.

Summers said those trying to force corporations to become better corporate citizens should learn to be better citizens themselves.

“It makes us feel horrible. We work down here, we live down here,” said Summers.

Drums are played each and every day. The noise registers as 117 on a decibel meter.

According to the federal government, regular exposure to 110 decibels can lead to permanent hearing loss.

Local officials have been swamped with neighborhood complaints.

That’s why they invited protesters to hear them firsthand at a Community Board 1 meeting Thursday.

Besides the noise problem, residents say protesters are pouring urine in the streets.

“Our neighbors do not urinate and defecate in the street. These occupiers need to vacate our neighborhood,” said one resident.

Comment by oxide
2011-11-08 07:11:32

I debunked your nonsense the other day, I’m not going to do it again, except to say that #OWS elected President Obama as surely as the “Tea Party” elected those tea partiers in Congress.

Comment by 2banana
2011-11-08 07:44:00

except to say that #OWS elected President Obama as surely as the “Tea Party” elected those tea partiers in Congress.

The OWS elected obama in 2008???

Comment by goon squad
2011-11-08 08:05:26

The teabaggers don’t need to do it in the street, they just drop a load in their Depends :)

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Comment by butters
2011-11-08 08:48:02

Yes it did. It was known as move-on back them.

OWS is the extension of Coffee Party. I hope the OWS does something real soon, my patience is wearing thin.

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Comment by rusty
2011-11-08 09:10:12

OWS = Acorn.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-08 09:31:42

bananas vs. butters.

FOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!!!

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 09:33:26

OWS = Acorn.

You should be proud of figuring that out by yourself.

OWS=Acorn=Tens of thousands of protesters in over 951 cities and 80 countries around the world. Yea….Acorn.

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-11-08 09:49:01

OWS has a time machine?!?!

Cool.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-08 10:38:48

The Tea Party — after it was co-opted — is just the same old Sarah Palin/Glenn Beck crowd with a lot of money behind it. Not really anything new. #OWS is the old Move-on (which did pretty well in 2006), the old Howard Deaniacs, and those Dems who registered all those voters for Obama. It’s the same thing over and over again.

I predict that #OWS — or the same demographic under a new name — will make its presence known in a big way, in 2014.

 
Comment by goon squad
2011-11-08 11:50:13

The Tea Party was on 12/16/2007, Ron Paul’s money-bomb fundraiser.

The Teabaggers (February 2009 Rick Santelli rant to present) are Koch bought and paid for astroturf, fascist corporatists.

 
 
 
 
Comment by michael
2011-11-08 07:13:35

I remember a lot of my “liberal” friends were in complete condemnation of the tea party and their methods of protest.

Yelling at a political official in a town hall meeting was intolerable and needed to stop!

Comment by jim
2011-11-08 07:56:13

Youre right. Screaming in the middle of an organized meeting is exactly the same thing as a loud street protest.

Comment by michael
2011-11-08 07:59:27

there you go…thank you.

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Comment by rusty
2011-11-08 09:11:22

That was before the union thugs started occupying those meetings by force, to keep the Tea Partiers out.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 08:02:43

I remember a lot of my “liberal” friends were in complete condemnation of the tea party and their methods of protest…Yelling at a political official in a town hall meeting was intolerable and needed to stop!

And because you wisely understood that the Tea Party’s message transcended the bad behavior on the part of a few, you now explain to your conservative friends that OWS’s message transcends the bad behavior on the part of the few too.

And that I applaud.

Comment by michael
2011-11-08 08:09:39

yes i do.

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Comment by michael
2011-11-08 08:12:16

I have transcended political affiliation and shed my cognitive dissonance. I have taken the red pill and have been born again.

I am simply making an observation that amuses me.

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Comment by measton
2011-11-08 08:05:24

These were open town hall meetings where people were free to ask any question they chose. Shouting in such a meeting and preventing debate is not the same thing as siting outside night after night in order to highlight the theft of our gov and the countries wealth by the elite. I’d be with you if the meetings were closed to the public and not a forum for open debate.

This comes from someone who went to the early Tea Party gatherings and thinks the current health care bill is a gift to insurance companies and drug makers at the expense of everyone else.

Comment by michael
2011-11-08 08:17:25

read rio’s post above…maybe you will get it.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 10:54:33

Two years ago, I attended a Vermont town hall hosted by Sen. Bernie Sanders. To a man and woman, everyone who spoke was polite. Even those who disagreed with the senator.

In short, it can be done.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-11-08 13:16:39

“He said he was entitled to have it for free.”

The old Free Speech Movement of the ’60s has morphed into the Free Stuff Movement.

Comment by oxide
2011-11-08 14:40:18

Considering that the old 60’s model of stable jobs and benefits and pensions has morphed into the 00’s model of outsourcing, insourcing, cutting fat and muscle from the American worker, and a 401K system which forces everybody to spin the DOW roulette wheel almost against their collective will, I don’t see why not.

Notice that the Free Stuff Movement showed up only AFTER the jobs disappeared. And if somebody showed up with JOBS, the Free Stuff Movement would evaporate back down to welfare queen levels, fast.

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2011-11-08 06:32:59

From the UK Guardian: The 1% are the very best destroyers of wealth the world has ever seen

“Many of those who are rich today got there because they were able to capture certain jobs. This capture owes less to talent and intelligence than to a combination of the ruthless exploitation of others and accidents of birth, as such jobs are taken disproportionately by people born in certain places and into certain classes.

The findings of the psychologist Daniel Kahneman, winner of a Nobel economics prize, are devastating to the beliefs that financial high-fliers entertain about themselves. He discovered that their apparent success is a cognitive illusion. For example, he studied the results achieved by 25 wealth advisers across eight years. He found that the consistency of their performance was zero. “The results resembled what you would expect from a dice-rolling contest, not a game of skill.” Those who received the biggest bonuses had simply got lucky.

Such results have been widely replicated. They show that traders and fund managers throughout Wall Street receive their massive remuneration for doing no better than would a chimpanzee flipping a coin. When Kahneman tried to point this out, they blanked him. “The illusion of skill … is deeply ingrained in their culture.”

… if you have psychopathic tendencies and are born to a poor family, you’re likely to go to prison. If you have psychopathic tendencies and are born to a rich family, you’re likely to go to business school.

This is not to suggest that all executives are psychopaths. It is to suggest that the economy has been rewarding the wrong skills. As the bosses have shaken off the trade unions and captured both regulators and tax authorities, the distinction between the productive and rentier upper classes has broken down. Chief executives now behave like dukes, extracting from their financial estates sums out of all proportion to the work they do or the value they generate, sums that sometimes exhaust the businesses they parasitise. They are no more deserving of the share of wealth they’ve captured than oil sheikhs.

The rest of us are invited, by governments and by fawning interviews in the press, to subscribe to their myth of election: the belief that they are possessed of superhuman talents. The very rich are often described as wealth creators. But they have preyed on the earth’s natural wealth and their workers’ labour and creativity, impoverishing both people and planet. Now they have almost bankrupted us. The wealth creators of neoliberal mythology are some of the most effective wealth destroyers the world has ever seen.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/07/one-per-cent-wealth-destroyers

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-08 06:47:07

There are three ways to join the 1% club:

1) Birth right
2) Boot straps
3) Theft of other peoples’ wealth

Of these three, 1) is a matter of pure luck (impossible if it doesn’t happen to you), 2) is difficult, and 3) is relatively easy.

Does anyone have a breakdown available of what shares of the 1% club made it in by these three avenues?

Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-11-08 09:59:10

The breakdown is obscure… on purpose.

One figure I saw several years ago said at least %50 of the 1% inherited.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2011-11-08 06:47:47

“the distinction between the productive and rentier upper classes has broken down.”

And this is an important distinction to remember. There are productive wealthy folks who have contributed to society through their production and they are deserving of every cent they make.

And then there are the extractive rent-seekers. These are the people that I object to. They suck so profusely.

Unfortunately, as the distinction becomes blurred, there comes the hue and cry to “tax the rich”. That is wrong. Eliminae the rent seekers is more like it.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 07:53:28

There are productive wealthy folks who have contributed to society through their production and they are deserving of every cent they make.

Even these fine folks don’t deserve “every cent they make”. Words matter. How can they deserve “every cent they make”? Then who pays for the system and infrastructure that allows for their production? Others besides them? If they get to keep every cent they make they become the “rent seekers” that you despise.

there comes the hue and cry to “tax the rich”. That is wrong. Eliminate the rent seekers is more like it.

Because of what you and I said, both need to be done.

Comment by palmetto
2011-11-08 08:14:37

Yeah, words matter, Rio. Let’s just look as the words I used. I said they they “deserve every cent they make”. I DIDN’T say ANYTHING about whether they should keep or do keep all of it (they usually don’t, spending LOTS in taxes, payroll, physical plant, etc.). In fact, it’s been my anecdotal experience that the productive wealthy are the ones who pay lots of taxes, one way or another. For example, unlike the hedgies who paid 15% capital gains tax on their bonuses, rather than income tax, producers often get the shaft, having to deal with employees and physical plant and regulations, etc. Not to mention their own profits, which often don’t get taxed as favorably as do the profits of the financial parasites.

So at some point, you can’t blame some people for thinking that being productive is a waste of time, on more than one level.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 08:46:39

I said they they “deserve every cent they make”. I DIDN’T say ANYTHING about whether they should keep or do keep all of it

It makes sense now but it was not clear is all.

unlike the hedgies who paid 15% capital gains tax on their bonuses, rather than income tax, producers often get the shaft

And this 15% capital gains tax needs to be raised back to what it was before.

at some point, you can’t blame some people for thinking that being productive is a waste of time,

In the USA’s winner take all system, we are far from that point. Even when the USA had a 92% top marginal tax rate, we had plenty of people being productive. Why? Because they still made tons of money being productive even with a 90% top marginal tax rate.

 
Comment by butters
2011-11-08 10:32:17

When there was a 94% top rate in 1944-45, there were so many deductions and exclusions that the taxable income was not comparable to someone’s entire income. First, the top rate started at $200,000, which today is equal to $2,413,059.90 — so the maximum EMTR would apply only to incomes of $2.5 million. But, that’s still taxable income, not earned income.

In 1944, you could deduct business meals, all business travel, all forms of interest payments, and much more. You could even deduct spousal travel expenses on a business trip! (Why travel alone?) Companies could also “loan” or “provide” almost anything to an employee, from an apartment to standard benefits. It was possible to shelter tens of thousands of dollars from taxable income. Three-martini lunches and expense accounts were important realities, skewing tax calculations.

As a result of deductions and exclusions, even the theoretical maximum Real Rate of taxation at 60% in 1944 overstates taxation dramatically. The reality? On earned income, the richest U.S. taxpayers paid close to 40 percent of their earned incomes in taxes in 1944. We simply didn’t count much of the compensation as taxable income.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 11:15:08

When there was a 94% top rate in 1944-45, there were so many deductions and exclusions

Of course there were deductions but the bottom line is that the rich paid a greater share of their income in taxes back then. Fact.

On earned income, the richest U.S. taxpayers paid close to 40 percent of their earned incomes in taxes in 1944.

As I said, they pay much less now.

“For those with incomes from $100,000 and $250,000 (for couples), the median tax rate is 25 percent. Above that, the median rate is about 30 percent.” Washington Post/CRS

And for the richest of the rich, (who’s your daddy?) it is a joke.

Among the richest 400 Americans, the average tax rate in 2008 was 18 percent, according to the Internal Revenue Service” Washington Post

And the richest 400 families own more wealth than the poorest 150 million Americans. In other words, 150 million Americans combined, half our population, have LESS wealth than the richest 400 American families. 150 million < 400

“America’s 400 richest people — who earned an average of $300 million last year, and…have more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans” Baltimore Sun

So what the heck are you guys always defending and why?

 
Comment by butters
2011-11-08 11:23:31

Sorry, here’s the source of my above posting.

http://almostclassical.blogspot.com/2011/03/90-tax-rate-myth.html

 
Comment by butters
2011-11-08 12:15:37

So what the heck are you guys always defending and why?

If they are earning them illegally, punish them.
If they are earning immorally, make it harder.
If they are earning them legally, leave them alone.

Then again, taxing more to spend on what?
More wars? No, thank you very much!

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-11-08 13:17:29

CDos were legal. Deliberately incorrect ratings were legal. Back dating stock options were legal. So wer emany other things that weren’t at one time.

What is your point?

 
Comment by butters
2011-11-08 13:42:31

My point is, DON’T BAIL OUT PERIOD!

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-11-08 15:16:48

Agreed.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2011-11-08 08:58:45

A progressive consumption tax along with a progressive flat tax may be the best solution…Progressive consumption tax broadens the base in that everyone pays something…1% on supermarket food…10% on clothing..3% on a purchase of a $20,000 vehicle and 20% on a $125,000. Porsche….

I was at a popular micro brew/restaurant on Sunday having some lunch & watching some football…Their was a 21 year old or so young lady with what appeared to be her mother sitting next to me…When I looked at the apparel they were wearing including their purses, I easily added it up to several thousand dollars…They ordered a twenty ounce beer each and a full plate of Sushi…They then ordered lunch..When they left, beer was gone but 1/2 the food remained uneaten…And no, they did not take a to-go box..They just left it to be thrown away…Probably about a $80. lunch bill…It was quite disturbing to me at least…Just a Calais disregard for the food that they purchased…

I guess my point is this…Taxing the well to do in a progressive consumption way will not stop them from buying the designer purse’s, their fancy exotic Porsche or their overindulgence at lunch…They will piss & moan about it, but they will still do it…Why ?? Because the extra cost will not make one iota difference financially in their lives…

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Comment by Montana
2011-11-08 10:51:56

a Calais disregard

I guess I need to get out more…

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 10:57:54

Their was a 21 year old or so young lady with what appeared to be her mother sitting next to me…When I looked at the apparel they were wearing including their purses, I easily added it up to several thousand dollars

What’s to say that they didn’t pout their fancy attire on the plastic? Which means they’ll be paying it off for many a year.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-11-08 11:37:24

“a Calais disregard”

I want to go to Calais, and learn this disregard first hand!

 
Comment by scdave
2011-11-08 11:53:53

What’s to say that they didn’t pout their fancy attire on the plastic ??

Well sure they put it on plastic…You don’t think that these types actually carry much cash do you….Their clothing, overindulgence at lunch and the Lexus that they drove away in tells me that the credit card is probably paid off each month….

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 12:36:03

Their clothing, overindulgence at lunch and the Lexus that they drove away in tells me that the credit card is probably paid off each month….

You’re saying the above with tongue in cheek, right?

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2011-11-08 13:20:24

What the heck is a progressive flat tax? A tax is either flat or it’s not.

 
Comment by mathguy
2011-11-08 14:44:29

maybe “progressive flat tax” is trying to say an uncheating (non-deductible) progressive tax. I would have no problem paying my current 28% federal on income over 68k if everyone else was paying the same and not deducting their brats, their mc mansions, their solar panels, their 15k boob jobs, and their student loan interest. Cry me a river, but if I earn it, let me choose what the proper “incentives” to dispose of it are.

My claim to tax process would be, eliminate income tax, but instead create payroll tax that companies paid entirely. If you want to incentivize industry, instead of putting the deduction on worker 1040’s when they buy something, give industry specific payroll tax breaks to help keep those industries globally competitive…

 
Comment by scdave
2011-11-08 14:46:31

Its flat in that its fixed…No deductions…You make X send in Y…

Its progressive in that If you make 35 mil, your not going to pay the same “flat rate” that the person making $27,000. pays…Your flat rate will be higher…

 
Comment by scdave
2011-11-08 14:49:58

You’re saying the above with tongue in cheek, right ??

Absolutely not….I see this kind of stuff all the time….There is some serious money around here you know…No question in my mind mom had serious money…

 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2011-11-08 08:22:41

Such results have been widely replicated. They show that traders and fund managers throughout Wall Street receive their massive remuneration for doing no better than would a chimpanzee flipping a coin. When Kahneman tried to point this out, they blanked him. “The illusion of skill … is deeply ingrained in their culture.”

This is wrong, they get paid to to generate fees and skim. I remember my SM worked for a big trading house and she was pressured daily to get her clients to flip their investments to generate fees and to invest in the companies stock of the day. You can bet that higher ups were front running this. She finally got sick of it and quit.

Comment by palmetto
2011-11-08 08:40:36

And the cure for that would be taxes on Wall Street transactions. Every time one of those big swinging d*cks presses a key TAX IT. I have to pay taxes when I buy undies, fill my tank, etc.

The cure for the “fat finger”.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-11-08 13:56:20

Our local news announces how the different area schools’ practice investment clubs are faring along w/a club which consists of the newsstations’ people including the financial (shill) ahem…I mean advisor.

Had to laugh the other day as we looked up and the top 3 investment groups came from BOCES schools.

The newscaster investments were way way behind.

Comment by oxide
2011-11-08 14:43:19

BOCES = car mechanic and hairdresser trade school

 
 
Comment by cactus
2011-11-08 14:01:36

Chief executives now behave like dukes, extracting from their financial estates sums out of all proportion to the work they do or the value they generate, sums that sometimes exhaust the businesses they parasitise.”

this is a great line like somthing from the middle ages

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-08 06:52:29

Do the Koch brothers still back up Herman Cain at this point? Or will they now flip-flop their allegiance over to Romney?

Lexington
Sex and pizzas
The fairy tale of a political original heads towards a sticky end
Nov 5th 2011 | from the print edition

Can Herman continue to be Herman in the face of the harassment allegations? Perhaps, especially if the complaints against him are shown to have been untrue, unproven or exaggerated. But some of the originality has already started to drain out of the Cain narrative. For all the unorthodoxy of his campaign so far, the tale that unfolded this week has followed a script containing many of the plot twists that have become drearily familiar from previous political sex scandals in America.

First, Mr Cain, like many before him, ignored the golden rule, which is to tell all at once before the media find out anyway. The day after Politico broke the story, he denied (and continues to deny) ever having harassed anyone, claiming that after an investigation the charges against him were dismissed. He also said he was unaware of any financial settlement being paid. As the day wore on, however, he started to recall more details. Yes, there had been some sort of agreement under which one of the women might have been paid three months’ salary, but he could not remember whether he signed that agreement himself. The next day the New York Times reported that one of the women had in fact been paid a full year’s salary of $35,000.

Next Mr Cain complained, and some of his friends agreed, that the story was not a case of the newspapers doing their job but a racist “witch-hunt”. Brent Bozell, president of the Media Research Centre, which purports to unmask “liberal bias”, said that Mr Cain had predicted months ago that he might face a “high-tech lynching” like the accusations of sexual harassment that afflicted Clarence Thomas during his confirmation hearings for the Supreme Court. “In the eyes of the liberal media”, said Mr Bozell, “Herman Cain is just another uppity black American who has had the audacity to leave the liberal plantation. So they must destroy him, just as they tried destroying Clarence Thomas.” By November 2nd Mr Cain was accusing his bouffant Republican rival, Rick Perry, of orchestrating a smear campaign against him.

And so it invariably goes in America’s paranoid, super-charged politics. The lovely bubble of the Cain story has popped, making it harder for those bewitched by his silver tongue and folksy charm to continue to overlook his frequent gaffes and flaws, which include flip-flops on abortion and a comprehensive ignorance of the world beyond America’s shores. On television this week he gave a grave warning: China is trying to develop nuclear weapons! It has had them for half a century. For a while, Mr Cain and his story reminded Americans of something rather wonderful about their country. Now, perhaps, too much light has been let in on the magic.

Comment by oxide
2011-11-08 07:30:44

I’m still waiting for the media to discover that “outsider” “businessman” Cain was on the board of the Federal Reserve in both Kansas City and Omaha.

Comment by butters
2011-11-08 08:37:21

That should have done him in long ago. Not his wandering eyes towards some “enhanced job seekers.”

While at it, isn’t it the same media that hid John Edwards’ trysts for a long time until a tabloid exposed it? Send 13 FT reporters to dig dirt on Sarah Palin, not a single one to dig the truth in Libya.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-08 10:08:42

We need a good family values candidate like Herman Cain….errr… well.

According to Cain, family values are necessary for all of us peons but he can’t adhere to the purity test himself.

#$@%ing Hypocrite.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-08 19:33:31

If all these Cain sexual harassment accusers are lying due to a Democratic plot to undermine his election prospects, wouldn’t it be a wiser use of his time and money to clear his good name by pressing charges against the DNC for slander, rather than going to the MSM bully pulpit? Politicians long ago learned to doubt the word of male politicians claiming to not have had sex with female accusers. If Cain truly is innocent and all these unrelated females truly are making fabricated sexual harassment claims to bring him down, then our political system truly is doomed.

Cain denies harassment claims
By Jackie Kucinich, USA TODAY
Updated 29m ago

GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain said Tuesday that all accusations that he committed sexual harassment are “baseless,” as a second woman went public about claims that led his former employer to pay her a settlement more than a decade ago.

By Michael Chow, The Arizona Republic

Cain told reporters in a news conference in Phoenix that he did not recognize Sharon Bialek, the woman who came forward Monday with sexual misconduct allegations. Cain said that her claims he groped her in a car when she tried to ask for help finding a job in 1997 were “simply did not happen.”

Allegations from Bialek and three other women, Cain said, were planted by critics who did not want him to win the Republican nomination for president. He vowed they would not derail his campaign and he would remain in the race.

“The fact is these anonymous allegations are false and now the Democratic machine in America has brought forth a troubled woman to make false accusations, statements many of which exceed common sense and they certainly exceed the standards of decency in America,” he said.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-08 19:49:03

Another day, another Cain accusation…

A ‘Very Odd Request’ from Herman Cain

PHOTO: Donna Donella
Donna Donella recalls her encounter with Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain in 2001. (ABC News)
By JOHN PARKINSON (@JParkABC)
Nov. 8, 2011

As Herman Cain struggles to move past allegations of inappropriate sexual behavior this week, a fifth woman has come forward with a story about her unusual experience almost a decade ago with the Republican presidential frontrunner.

In an exclusive broadcast interview with ABC News, Donna Donella recalled what she alleges happened the day her path crossed with Cain, when the former CEO of Godfather’s Pizza delivered an address at a seminar in Cairo, Egypt in late 2001. Donella had helped organize the speech while working for the U.S. Agency for International Development.

“He came to Egypt, he gave his seminar, and then after he was done speaking, there was a Q and A portion and a woman in the audience asked a question,” Donella said. “Shortly after he left the stage, he approached a colleague and myself and said something to the effect of, ‘Could you please put me in touch with the lovely young woman in the audience who asked me the question so I can give her a more detailed answer over dinner?’”

Donella, who lives in Arlington, Va. and currently works as a management consultant, said she declined to set Cain up and thought it was “a very odd request and we were a little suspicious of his tone.”
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“The other colleague who was present was like, ‘What are we? We’re not go-betweens, or matchmakers or anything like that. That’s not our role,’” she recalled. “He was just onstage talking about what a family man he was and how important his Christian values were to him, and then he was just asking to go to dinner with a woman from the audience. [His request] may have been innocent. Maybe not.”

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-08 06:58:29

For the heck of it, I went to regulations dot gov to check up on the progress of the proposed Credit Risk Retention rule, the one that would, if implemented, require 20% down OR the bank has to keep 5% of the mortgage. *

No progress on the rule itself, but I found a couple interesting Public Comments:**

From Senator Carl Levin: (D-Mich)
http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=OCC-2011-0002-0120

“In the mortgage area, the proposed rule effectively exempts Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac loans so long as those entities remain in conservatorship or receivership. Since it is likely that those entities will remain wards of the U.S. government for an extended period of time, this exemption is justified if the U.S. government also takes steps to ensure that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac loans are only high quality, low risk loans.”

Translation: this part of the rule is ok, IF the gov puts some separate limits on the quality of paper the F&F is allowed to buy.

“That [5%] option would essentially allow RMBS securitizers to retain the equity tranche at the bottom of their securitizations, which is the tranche that is likely the most difficult to sell. Given recent history, although retaining a horizontal residual interest tranche may be appropriate in other types of securitizations, it should not be an available option for RMBS. ”

Translation(?): Levin thinks that the 5% tranche the banks would have to keep is not strong enough. But Levin doesn’t offer an alternative.

[On QRM]:”This approach, in which each independent metric essentially acts as a tripwire to disqualify a loan as QRM, is inconsistent with Congressional intent and is not reflective of
modern underwriting and risk management practices…. ”

Levin then goes on to say that 20% is probably too high; that diaqual on one missed payment is too strict especially since they don’t take into account what the missed payment was (as written, I could be denied a house for missing a $20 CC bill). Also, 28% rule is probably too strict, and that the proposed rule doesn’t factor in the positive effect of 10% down or mort insurance.

This is a long and pretty well-written document, with references to a committee report on the causes of the financial crisis. In short, sounds like Levin likes the ideas, but he thinks the agencies overshot and went to too strict.

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OK, contrast Senator Levin with another public comment: This one is from Senators Mike Johanns (R) and David Vitter (R). I can’t believe this one came from elected officials.

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=OCC-2011-0002-0105

“We are concerned about your proposal to move mortgage underwriting away from credit scores to a narrow set of “derogatory factors” contained in credit reports will have a negative impact both consumers and financials institutions alike….

…This proposals represents a significant step backwards away from the automated underwriting systems employed today to a manual review of credit reports. This will likely lead to greater costs, delays, and transparency concerns for all participants in the securitization market. Furthermore, the advent of credit scores played a key role in eliminaing the problems associated
with subjective underwriting.
[The strawberry picker thanks you, Senators.] As a result, any return to manual underwriting practices should be subject to great scrutiny…. There is a long list of government research [where?] that has confirmed credit scoring as the most predictive tool in measuring credit risk while providing numerous consumer benefits.

Translation: Bring back FICO!!! We don’t wanna look at pesky stuff like income!! FICO worked so well before!!! WAHHHH!!

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*The rule would NOT require you to put 20% down to get a mortgage, as the idiot media orginally reported. You can still get a mortgage, but the bank has to keep a little risk. Recently, I’ve seen the media modify the story as needing 20% down “to get the best rates.” It’s propagandic, but no longer false.

**This very common in government. Many times, a gov or regulator worker bee in a department who worked on something will have an objection to how his co-workers or management ultimately decide the matter. There are ways to file a formal complaint within the gov, but that rocks the boat within the workplace. So instead, the worker bee will voice his objection by posting a Public Comment, in his capacity as a member of the taxpaying public. Worker bee’s co-worker regulators are forced to read and address the worker bee’s comment (along with everybody else’s), but the worker bee faces no repercussions for his opinions. In this case, I believe that the Senators are using Public Comment to voice their opinion on how the worker bees are implementing their new Dodd-Frank law.

Comment by Neuromance
2011-11-08 21:43:58

I checked out Vitter on Opensecrets. I clicked on the “more details” button under his funding. There is a graph displaying how much each sector contributes.

Unexpected comedy: The FIRE sector contributes double his other contributors. And the graph looks like a big middle finger. How appropos.

Vitter knows he’s there to serve the highest bidder. Heck, it even rhymes.

Haiku:
Congressman Vitter
Louisiana native
Serves highest bidder

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-08 07:00:12

Europe’s Debt Crisis
Greek debt crisis: Shades of Argentina
By James O’Toole
@CNNMoney
November 8, 2011: 5:09 AM ET

A woman passes in front of the window of an exchange in downtown Buenos Aires last month.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Barack Obama, Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel descended on the G-20 summit last week intent on stabilizing Greece and resolving the European debt crisis. But Athens may instead end up seeking guidance from an unlikely source: Argentina.

A decade ago, facing burgeoning debt, a grinding recession and a devastating bank run, Argentina declared default on $132 billion in debt, the largest sovereign default in history. It also abandoned its fixed exchange rate with the dollar, sending the value of the Argentine peso plummeting.

Yet fast forward to 2011 and the country has enjoyed years of surging growth led by its cheapened exports, its GDP swelling 9.2% in 2010.

Is this a solution for Greece? Can it abandon its debts and an oppressive fixed currency — in this case, the euro — and use cheap exports to grow its economy?

 
Comment by michael
2011-11-08 07:19:19

just read somewhere that if you make over $ 35k a year you are in the top 1% globally.

not sure if it’s true…if it is…i simply find it amusing.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-08 07:33:49

Why is it amusing? Because it shows how poor the rest of the world is?

Comment by michael
2011-11-08 08:07:06

yep…that’s it…because it shows how poor the rest of the world is.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2011-11-08 08:26:37

odd thing to find amusing.

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Comment by polly
2011-11-08 08:36:50

It is alse irrelevant. Knowing how to live on a few bucks a day requires knowledge and skills that people in the US don’t have. Where it is sort of safe to go get water from a stream? What do you do if you get intestinal parasites from drinking that water? How do you grow or forage some of your own food without spending a bundle at a hardware store? Where/how should you build a hut out of cardboard scrap metal and twine that won’t get washed away in a rain storm?

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-08 08:20:09

It’s also the reason Corporate America is exporting every job it can. It has little to to with “government regulations” or “taxes”. It’s about skilled labor being available for less than $1000 USD per month, and manual labor for just a few dollars per day.

In a sense the Lucky Duckies are lucky, they could have been born overseas.

And for the poster yesterday who is perpetually perplexed by the term “Lucky Ducky”:

“Lucky duckies is a term that was used in Wall Street Journal editorials starting on 20 November 2002 to refer to Americans who pay no federal income tax because they are at an income level that is below the tax line (after deductions and credits).”

In other words, they are the working poor.

Comment by michael
2011-11-08 08:29:27

Makes you wonder how extensive the black labor market will become the further we go down the rabbit hole.

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Comment by 2banana
2011-11-08 08:48:09

It’s also the reason Corporate America is exporting every job it can. It has little to to with “government regulations” or “taxes”. It’s about skilled labor being available for less than $1000 USD per month, and manual labor for just a few dollars per day.

Really?

Then explain Haiti. Just a scant 90 miles away from America.

You could (can still can) hire people there for about $1/day.

Since the 1960s.

But yet corporations have not flocked there despite 40 years of very low wages.

And, in the last 20 years, over a dozen foreign automotive car companies have built large factories in the southern portion of America.

So maybe there is something more to it…

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Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-08 09:19:45

My brother used to be in procurement in apparel. There is plenty of work offshored to Haiti.

Of course, it helps to have a stable government, which has been in short supply lately in Haiti.

As for foreign car makers setting up shop in the USA, the reasons are many: corporate welfare, being close to suppliers, etc. (I’m guessing that corporate welfare is the #1 reason)

And FWIW, they are also setting up shop in Mexico. Big time. So are the big three.

At the end of the day, what legally determines whther a car is an “import” is its domestic. Curiously, a car that is assembled in Hermosillo, Mexico might be a domestic, while a car built in Alabama might legally be an import.

 
Comment by Steve J
2011-11-08 09:54:00

Didn’t baseballs used to be made in Hati?

 
Comment by CrackerBob
2011-11-08 10:12:54

In Haiti, people use rope for hardware on their houses because any thing made of metal, a latch, a hinge, is stolen. You cannot own anything of value. Perhaps it is the values of the people.

 
Comment by GEG
2011-11-08 11:53:25

Many “foreign” cars made in the N.A. are more North American than “Domestic” cars.

Examples:

Ford F150: 55% US/Canada component on average
Chevy Tahoe: 67% US/Canada

Mercedes-Benz made in Alabama: 62% US/Canada components on average

Toyota Camry (US Made version) 80% US/Canada components

No such thing as American or Foreign car anymore. They’re all globally sourced/assembled.

 
Comment by rms
2011-11-08 12:22:37

“Didn’t baseballs used to be made in Hati?”

If so they wouldn’t bounce or be round.

 
Comment by stewie
2011-11-08 14:24:40

I don’t know about baseballs, but I hear they make one mean zombie.

RAAAAWWWRRRRR!!!

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2011-11-08 08:57:08

Happy to see that Lucky Ducky is now a recurring character in HBB discussions, note that Ruben Bolling’s cartoons were largely responsible for popularizing him after the WSJ piece.

Other characters/memes that warrant daily mention here are the 1%, which was referenced here from a Vanity Fair article back in May, well before OWS existed.

Marie Antoinette, frequently mentioned by former HBB poster ecofeco, is a needed reminder of the fate deserved by the 1%er economic rapists and their Eddie-tard fluffers.

During the heated discussion of Wisconsin Governor Walker and the Koch-funded assault on labor, we were introduced to the new boogeyman, the union goon, which a certain poster reminds HBB daily is America’s public enemy number one.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 11:00:44

My mother will no doubt be amused to know that she was/still is a public union goon. She’s 85, a retired public school teacher, and yes, she still belongs to the union.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-11-08 13:09:32

ecofeco, former? Didn’t I see a post just the other day?

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2011-11-08 09:09:34

“Lucky duckies is a term that was used in Wall Street Journal editorials starting on 20 November 2002 to refer to Americans who pay no federal income tax because they are at an income level that is below the tax line (after deductions and credits).”

I’m pretty sure I remember seeing it well before 2002 in cartoons on Salon.com. I assume that’s where they got it from.

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Comment by michael
2011-11-08 09:13:34

i remember it from my childhood.

 
Comment by GEG
2011-11-08 12:15:30

CNN 10/3/2009

“Nearly 22% of those making between $50,000 and $75,000 end up with no federal income tax liability or negative liability as do 9% of households with incomes between $75,000 and $100,000.”

Are these the Luckys you’re all referring to? Because I would definitely call these people lucky SOBs.

 
Comment by polly
2011-11-08 12:33:16

You talked about how lucky people on food stamps and other forms of government assistance were in your childhood? Really?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 12:35:21

Are these the Luckys you’re all referring to? Because I would definitely call these people lucky SOB

Or you wouldn’t get paid?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-08 12:41:07

Are these the Luckys you’re all referring to?

Does someone pay you to be disingeneous, or do you do it pro bono?

 
Comment by polly
2011-11-08 14:05:34

I just took a look at a 1040. There are quite a few ways for people with what would normally be considered a healthy income to have much less taxable income than you would otherwise expect:

Moving expenses
Lots of kids/dependents
Lots of business expenses in excess of 2% of their income
Lots of medical expenses in excess of 7.5% of their income
Huge amount of home mortgage interest
Huge property taxes
Lots of costs associated with self-employed health insurance
Having to include payroll taxes on your income tax (not withheld the way employees pay it)
Lots of alimony to pay
Lots of student loan interest to pay
Lots of tuition and fees for education to pay
Being blind or having a blind spouse

Please note, that this is just looking at the 1040. Some of those would not be applicable if you were subject to the alternate minimum tax.

I don’t see anything particularly lucky about having giant interest liabilities in comparison with my income(mortgage or student loan), a lot of mouths to feed and large health expenses (whether insurance or out of pocket). And some people around here can tell you how lucky alimony payments made them feel.

Yeah, there are a few other ways to reduce income (IRA and such), but you aren’t going to see a lot of people where that is the primary reason for not paying taxes.

 
Comment by mathguy
2011-11-08 15:11:13

Other than the being blind, or getting hit with a huge medical bill part, I would absolutely call it lucky. Picked a bad spouse and have to pay alimony? Don’t worry uncle sam knows how you need big boobs on a bimbo wife, we’ll help cover your “youthful mistake”.

Wanted to spend 4 years “learning about yourself” as a dance major before joining the workforce? Hey, you need a tax break for that more than the daughter who has to help with elderly parents and had to work her way up!

Decided to pop out 6 mouth breathers cuz you couldn’t keep your legs from spreading 2 weeks after getting the last one pushed out? Oh, we support “family values” too! Screw those uptight people who want to try to save and create a family when they can support it! We need more gutter rats to place as cogs in our factories anyway!

Oh, you decided to buy a giant sucking McMansion that you can’t even afford to heat while your responsible neighbor lived in a tiny cramped apartment trying to save and avoid feeding the corporate monsters with a mortgage. Silly them! You are the one that deserves our coddling and mortgage interest deduction!

We can’t have these responsible people succeeding and setting an example of how hard work, personal sacrifice and living within your means will get you a better life! We need to show that it is a close following of beaurocratic minutia and gaming the system while giving kickbacks to tax preparation services and lobbying organizations like unions and trade organizations (AMA) connected to the political class that will get you the best in life.

Ok, not so much lucky as “bought”. Thanks for feeding into it.

 
 
 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2011-11-08 13:19:39

I don’t live in the rest of world, so I don’t care. I have to survive here.

 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2011-11-08 08:19:47

“Surprising”

Mortgage payments show surprising rise in delinquencies

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/story/2011-11-08/mortgage-late-payments-Q3/51120096/1

While lawmakers in Washington debated the debt ceiling and consumer confidence dropped, more homeowners were having a harder time making their mortgage payments.

The rate at which mortgage holders were late with their payments by 60 days or more rose in the June-to-September period for the first time since the last three months of 2009, according to TransUnion.

The credit reporting agency said 5.88% of homeowners missed two or more payments, an early sign of possible foreclosure. That was up from 5.82% in the second quarter.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-11-08 09:35:02

Is this the start of the next wave of strategic defaulters? I’ve long expected that there would be a second, larger wave after a lull.

My thinking was that many homeowners would hold onto hopes for a few years, thinking that the downturn was temporary, and that their best course was to ride it out and wait for a recovery of valuations. But at some point, it should begin to dawn that this is not a short-term downturn—that this is the way things are going to be for another five years or so. And at that point, the math of perhaps never getting out from under the underwater loan, vs two years of no pmts while awaiting foreclosure starts to be seen in a different light…

Thoughts?

Comment by polly
2011-11-08 10:10:09

It is also possible that people are realizing that there won’t be an assistance program that will end up helping them. There may be a few more programs. A few more requirements may be adjusted a little. But for the overwhelming majority, none of the help applies to them. That plus getting close to the end of any cash on hand and seeing that there are no jobs coming to their location would be enough for defaults to rise. I think it is more likely to be a number of factors than just one or two.

And if the information is getting out that losing the money that is protected from bankruptcy to try to save a house that needs far more than is available in the retirement account is a bad idea, that would be a contributor too. People may start out not knowing that sort of thing, but they will learn it as time goes on.

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2011-11-08 09:04:56

Hey, I am finally all “caught up” (according to my excessively strict definition which means paying off the CC card not just before it is due, but before it closes out for the month so the bill is actually $0) from my vacation this summer.

It was my little experiment in living on a “fixed income” without letting any interest accrue on the credit card. Very interesting exercise. Got to the point where I had to think HARD about doing certain things that cost money at the time but would be cost savers long term. Very interesting exercise indeed.

Pulling it off without access to your bank accounts by computer or if you were subject to banking fees that you couldn’t predict with absolute precision would be outrageously difficult, nearing impossible. As a matter of fact, I had to adjust a withdrawal I made from an ATM this weekend because I wasn’t sure if a particular deposit would be made before some other withdrawals were posted. I was right to be cautious. The withdrawals were all posted on the 7th and the deposit didn’t come through until the 8th.

Comment by jbunniii
2011-11-08 10:01:25

Do you normally live on a non-fixed income?

Comment by polly
2011-11-08 11:23:48

No. We haven’t had a raise at work in quite a while. But, to clarify, I have my paychecks deposited in my savings account. Then I move a set amount to checking each month (usually around the 25th so there are a few days before my rent check gets to my landlord). I keep that set amount pretty frugal, so that the automatic savings amount is pretty high. I could easily say to myself, “This is an expensive month. I should put an extra $500 in the checking account this month to cover it.” I still would be saving, but not as much.

I had let a significant sum build up in the checking account before the vacation, but it wasn’t quite enough. I could have covered it by moving more money to checking the next tranfer after I got back. I decided not to do that. I wanted to see what it was like to live closer to the edge and to see what just that very limited exposure (it obviously isn’t real since I have plenty of savings available) would do to me psychologically.

I found the experiment interesting. I used a lot of energy making sure that things happened at the right time and that I only paid certain bills when the money was there to cover them even though I have a great bank with on-line access and bill pay. I can’t imagine how much harder it must be for people who 1) can’t access their information as easily 2) have more complicated financial lives than I do and 3) don’t have the security of knowing that the whole problem could be eliminated by just putting a few hundred bucks extra into the checking account. It makes it easier to understand why they end up letting balances build up on credit cards. Doing anything else takes up huge amounts of time.

Of course, the vacation was an expense I wouldn’t have taken on if I was on the edge financially, but it could have just as easily been an unavoidable expense.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-08 11:06:54

Good for you Polly. When you already have the cash for your vacation before you go, then that will be a big step too!

Comment by polly
2011-11-08 12:14:00

I nearly always do have the money all saved up before the vacation. This one was a little fuzzier because I wasn’t sure how much the hotel would cost and what I would end up doing in Vancouver. I just played it by ear.

And to clarify, the only thing that happened post vacation was juggling the timing of various things (by happenstance my credit card bill from the hotel wasn’t actually due until 6 weeks after I got back). But it has required being a little frugal with other living expenses. Fortunately, Washington DC is full of lots of free entertainment.

 
 
 
Comment by lizpendens
2011-11-08 10:21:39

The story we have been waiting for:

The $26 Billion swindle: (First time buyer tax credit hoax)

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-great-26-billion-real-estate-swindle-2011-11-08

Comment by Muggy
2011-11-08 10:50:35

The house we were pending on at $215 (during credit) is now about $190.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 11:03:18

Killer quote from the above story:

In other words, based at least on average prices, you’ve lost about $14,500 — nearly twice the value of the credit. Stan Humphries, Zillow’s chief economist, says the credits, effectively expired in June 2010, when prices nationwide averaged $182,000. Since then we’re down $10,500.

The biggest losers? Step forward all those who took up Uncle Sam’s $8,000 bribe and rushed out to buy a new home in Santa Barbara, Calif. You have already lost $50,000 of your $440,000 investment. And that’s even counting the $8,000 bribe!

Others who are already down more than $30,000 include home buyers in places like San Francisco, Seattle, Flagstaff, Ariz., and anyone who bought down the road from the underground bunker of MarketWatch’s own Paul “The Road” Farrell in San Luis Obispo, Calif.

Comment by rms
2011-11-08 12:19:12

“…in places like San Francisco, Seattle, Flagstaff, Ariz…”

I didn’t know Flagstaff was ranked up there with San Francisco and Seattle? A college town, right?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 13:35:38

Yes, Flagstaff is a college town. It’s home to Northern Arizona University. I believe that Northland Pioneer College also has a campus there.

Best of all, Flagstaff is where our fearless leader, Ben Jones, hangs his hat.

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Comment by jbunniii
2011-11-08 12:30:14

There are $440k houses in Santa Barbara? Where?

Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-11-08 14:03:11

SB has two big ghettos, East / West side. I prefer East with the better restaurants off Milpas. But, I would never live there with out bars on the windows.

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Comment by polly
2011-11-08 14:15:10

Imagine how the people who took the $7500 loan (not credit) feel.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2011-11-08 11:10:14

The biggest losers? Step forward all those who took up Uncle Sam’s $8,000 bribe and rushed out to buy a new home in Santa Barbara, Calif. You have already lost $50,000 of your $440,000 investment. And that’s even counting the $8,000 bribe!

Yep

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 11:27:14

Finally….

Cubans hail a private property revolution

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/06/cubans-can-sell-homes-home-raul-fidel-castro

State controls are whittled back as Raúl Castro abolishes the ban on buying and selling houses

…..Shortly after the Cuban revolution brought Fidel Castro to power in 1959, all homes effectively became the property of the state. Cubans who remained on the island were given the right to live in the homes they occupied and pass them on to friends or relatives. They were also permitted to swap houses. However, selling or buying was prohibited.

All that changed last week, when the Cuban government announced – with significant understatement – an “amendment” to the existing property law. What it amounts to is the creation of a legal property market and the most significant loosening of the state’s dominance of Cubans’ lives since the revolution.

It is part of a process that has been slowly unfolding since 2006, when Castro was forced by illness to hand over the presidency to his brother, Raúl, after 47 years in power. The younger Castro, who turned 80 last June, has emerged as far less dogmatic than Fidel.

Comment by AVOCAD0
2011-11-08 14:05:20

I wish the USA would spend $3 trillion buying half of Cuba vs the war in Iraq. ;) Canada has the jump on us.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 11:30:47

We don’t always know what we think we know.

Dismantling The China Hard Landing Narrative

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/11/08/dismantling-the-china-hard-landing-narrative/

There is a growing chorus of economists and investors in the U.S. who seem to be clamoring for the Chinese economy to collapse, much in the way the Western economies did over the last three years.

….No surprise, but a hard landing is definitely not in the interest of Beijing. Despite sounding a little like Alan Greenspan last year in saying there was no property bubble, to admitting their is one in 2011, China’s government is actively doing something about it rather than exacerbate it by super loose monetary policy. Government’s cannot control every aspect of its economy, and the spending and investing habits of millions of people, but China is still a command and control system. Its banks are less leveraged than their Western counterparts were prior to the 2008 credit crisis. It was the over leveraged Western financial system that led to the Great Recession.

Comment by measton
2011-11-08 14:54:20

The money quote there was “not to sound like Greenspan”

Too late.

 
 
Comment by GEG
2011-11-08 11:36:31

Gee I wonder why the OWS mobs only get 30% support?

SAN DIEGO (CBS) — A pair of Southland street cart vendors who were forced to shut down their businesses after “Occupy” protesters vandalized their carts are hoping to get some help from local residents.

Coffee cart owner Linda Jenson and hot dog cart operators Letty and Pete Soto said they initially provided free food and drink to demonstrators, but when they stopped, the protesters became violent.

And according to one city councilman, bodily fluids were used in the attacks.“Both carts have had items stolen, have had their covers vandalized with markings and graffiti, as well as one of the carts had urine and blood splattered on it,” said Councilman Carl DeMaio.

In addition to the attacks, the vendors also said they recently received death threats.”

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-11-08 11:44:39

The majority of protesters should really be cracking down on the fringe elements. If this type of thing continues, support among the broader population will erode quickly.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 12:01:02

The majority of (OWS) protesters should really be cracking down on the fringe elements.

I agree.

If this type of thing continues, support among the broader population will erode quickly.

True but eroding support for a movement does not mean eroding support for the ideas that spawned the movement. The message has resonated. “Wealth inequality” is now on the map and will not be scrubbed off it.

As OWS has declined in “support”, their main ideas have taken off like wildfire.

 
Comment by GEG
2011-11-08 12:02:27

That’s not the fringe. That is the occupy mainstream

In NY (NY Post)

“Zuccotti Park has become so overrun by sexual predators attacking women in the night that organizers felt compelled to set up a female-only sleeping tent yesterday to keep the sickos away.
The large, metal-framed “safety tent” — which will be guarded by an all-female patrol — can accommodate as many as 18 people and will be used during the day for women-only meetings, said Occupy Wall Street organizers.”

In DC (The Telegraph):

“The incident happened when angry anti-capitalist protesters laid siege to a dinner held in honour of President Ronald Reagan by the Americans for Prosperity group, which is closely aligned with the anti-tax, small government Tea Party movement. Dolores Broderick, 78, had taken an 11-hour bus journey from Detroit to attend the Americans for Prosperity conference, according to a friend who emailed the Instapundit blog. Video footage showed her being helped by police as she lay dazed on the floor.She was said to have been discharged from hospital after she was treated for “a bloody nose and bruises on her hand and leg”.

In Boston (WDHH-TV)

“BOSTON — The Occupy Boston movement has entered its second month in downtown Boston. It has been relatively peaceful thus far. However, a drug danger may be putting the movement in jeopardy. Crack cocaine can be added to the list of drugs that have allegedly been sold at the movement’s tent city with arrests on Thursday night.

In Vancouver(Time)

“The realities of the Occupy movement are proving grim. A woman at the Occupy Vancouver camp died Saturday after a suspected drug overdose. The woman, in her twenties, was found in a tent by a fellow protestor, apparently “unresponsive.” She was rushed to the hospital by paramedics, but was later pronounced dead.”

Comment by MrBubble
2011-11-08 13:11:13

Lots of “alleged” and “suspected” in those articles. And just look at the rags from which these “stories” emanate. Very smelly.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 12:38:59

Here in Tucson, said crackdowns are underway. Here is a case in point.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 11:53:42

Gee I wonder why the OWS mobs only get 30% support?

I see your 30 and raise it 25. (and mine’s the big picture stuff that scares the hell out of your feedbag)

Poll: 55 percent see inequality as big problem yahoo dot com

As the Occupy Wall Street protest enters its seventh week, there’s new evidence that Americans have grown increasingly concerned about inequality.

Fifty-five percent of likely voters surveyed by The Hill newspaper said they think income inequality has become a big problem for the United States.

 
Comment by measton
2011-11-08 11:59:08

I suspect the reason is the question was

“Do you support the OWS communists and anarchists who wish to destroy the world and take your money.”

 
Comment by measton
2011-11-08 12:00:43

We all know the how to deal with a protest play book employed by the elite.

Send in the goons to discredit the message of the protesters and to give cops an excuse to fire flash bang tear gas canisters into the heads of protesters.

Comment by GEG
2011-11-08 12:08:52

55% of people are jealous of the success of other people. Not all that surprising. I would have thought the number would be higher to be honest after 2 months of non-stop “news” stories of income inequality all of the tv. This is a great example of push polling. And still, it’s barely cracking 50%. Let’s see what this polls a few months from now when the OWS mobs have called it a day. If it’s over 45% I’ll buy you a beer.

Comment by GEG
2011-11-08 12:11:32

But when asked should the govt bail out the poor, poor dears at OWS with $200K in student debt, the people said NO WAY.

“One of the loudest demands by the Occupy Wall Street protesters is for forgiveness of the nearly $1 trillion worth of student loans….
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 21% of American Adults think the federal government should forgive the nearly $1 trillion in loans it made or guaranteed to help students pay for a college education. Sixty-six percent (66%) oppose the forgiveness of all student loans.”

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Comment by MrBubble
2011-11-08 12:15:19

So are you saying that there is no income inequality or that there is but that it’s being over-reported?

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 12:33:53

55% of people are jealous of the success of other people.

Your are amusing in your predictability. Most everything you write is a trite, FOX news talking point that is an insult to anyone with half a brain.

People, this is the kind of propaganda GEG pushes:
Almost 75% of the American population is “jealous” of others success.* Over half of American workers are “lazy” because they make less than 26K a year. The 400 richest American families have more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans because 150 million Americans “need to upgrade their skill-sets”. And theoretically a country does “not even need to manufacture anything”. Some of your points are borderline moronic.

*in “The Hill” poll I referenced above 55% of Americans think wealth inequality is a BIG problem. 74% saw it as a problem. Yea GEG 3/4 of the entire American population is just “jealous”.

Nearly three-quarters of the people in a new poll conducted by The Hill say that income inequality is a problem for the United States. Fifty-five percent of respondents said income inequality is a big problem, while another 19 percent described it as somewhat of a problem.

The findings come only days after a Congressional Budget Office report showed the very highest earners in the United States have been pulling away from the rest of the population for over 30 years. newstowatch dot com

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 13:21:12

Your are amusing in your predictability.

“You” (or “u be”)

 
Comment by GEG
2011-11-08 14:10:17

We could throw polls back and forth all day I suppose.

NBC/WSJ poll released today:

- 53% of the country believes—and 33% believe strongly—that the national debt and the size of government must be cut significantly

People get it. Too much spending and a govt that’s grown too big is the problem. But hey, if you want to keep banging the OWS drum of more spending and higher taxes, be my guest.

“So are you saying that there is no income inequality or that there is but that it’s being over-reported?”

Sure there is inequality. Always has been. Always will be. Everyone can’t be above average. A system with no inequality means a neurosurgeon earns the same as a janitor. The second the surgeon earns $1 more than the janitor you have inequality.

 
Comment by Muggy
2011-11-08 14:17:16

“The second the surgeon earns $1 more than the janitor you have inequality.”

This statement is proof you are a troll.

 
Comment by GEG
2011-11-08 14:19:03

I have never cared what anyone else makes. It doesn’t affect me in the least if my neighbor makes $50K $100K or $1M or $100M.

Rio, I want to know why you care what I make or what anyone else makes. How does it affect your life if I make as much as you or twice as much as you or 100 times as much as you? If all the OWSers spent 10% as much time worrying about their own finances instead of worrying about the finances of the 1%, they’d be a lot better off financially.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 14:31:59

Sure there is inequality. Always has been. Always will be. Everyone can’t be above average. A system with no inequality means a neurosurgeon earns the same as a janitor. The second the surgeon earns $1 more than the janitor you have inequality.

GEG, This is a recently common talking point designed to influence morons. It is also disingenuous as another poster pointed you out to be because the issue is NOT inequality. The issue is the massively INCREASED levels of inequality the past 30 years. The issue is rich getting richer and poor getting poorer. The issue is the rich hammering the middle-class. Got it? Of course you “get it” but it’s too big and ugly for you to address. That’s why you ignore it and come up with your disingenuous, strawman, not-of-the-issue, red-hearing, corporate think-tank playbook distractions like your paragraph in italics above.

You dodge, you weave, you don’t address the issue and you probably convert 2 morons for every 20 thinking people who you turn off because they see through your overused B.S.
(but other than that, you rock!)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-08 14:35:35

I have never cared what anyone else makes. It doesn’t affect me in the least if my neighbor makes $50K $100K or $1M or $100M.

It depends on how they get it. I don’t think anyone here begrudges a true entrepreneur who is successful. What people are angry about are the robber barons and the pig men who steal billions.

The really funny thing about all this is that it’s the 1%’ers who foment hate against anyone who still earns a good wage, expecially the so called “union goons”.

You see, it’s OK to hate your neighbor because he or she makes 30% more than you do, but it’s very wrong to expect the super rich to pay the same tax rates as the little people do.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2011-11-08 14:49:47

Rio, I want to know why you care what I make

OK. Here’s why I care how much you make GEG. Because after reading your unoriginal and uninspired, FOX boilerplate posts that dodge the issues, I think that the Koch Brother’s Blogging Propaganda Division is not getting their money’s worth.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-08 15:29:14

TROLL

 
Comment by MrBubble
2011-11-08 15:45:31

““The second the surgeon earns $1 more than the janitor you have inequality.””

Now this is just plain sophistry. It’s the level of inequality that matters and that level has been rising for decades.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-11-08 12:38:58

You go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel good.

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Comment by goon squad
2011-11-08 12:53:37

If it feels good for the fluffer, imagine how good it feels for the fluffee :)

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2011-11-09 01:00:19

If you have to refer to “polls,” to bolster your boss’s talking points, GAG, you’re completely clueless. That street people have joined in with the demonstrators shows us that the original microcosm has transcended to the greater populace.

Scary, huh?

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Comment by goon squad
2011-11-08 12:48:45

One possible outcome will be that the black bloc anarchists will take the battle off the streets and become a new Weather Underground. Smashing windows and setting fires in the street is one way to get attention. Earth Liberation Front style tactics directed against the 1%ers, their families, and their property may be the Marie Antoinette moment that the pigmen economic rapists have been begging for.

To quote the immemorial words of the Decider, bring it on

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-08 20:42:24

I’d join that effort in a second.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-08 21:00:07

And this point I think that is what it’s going to take to break the iron grip of entrenched interests. There isn’t enough anger out there yet unfortunately.

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Comment by measton
2011-11-08 11:57:02

Credit unions can help consumers save money because they are non-profit, and can pay higher interest rates on savings accounts, and offer lower loan and credit card rates. The median annual fee for credit cards is $25 for credit unions and $59 for banks, and their respective overdraft transfer fees are $6 and $10, according to the Pew Charitable Trusts in May 2011.

uh no banks are always free to charge lower rates. Credit unions don’t have to generate the fat bonuses that bankers and stock holders want because the profit will go back to the union members who are in essence stock holders and customers.

This is of course why banks buy off politicians and have them try to destroy credit unions. In Wi they have pushed through new rules that allow management of credit unions to convert to banks without informing the current owners ie the customers and profit from it.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-11-08 12:40:07

One last cruise up Seneca Lake. It was a beautiful ride on a T-shirt day. There is still some color in the trees lakeside, some yellow, a lot of muted orange to brown.

Now the veins of the Blue Skye are filled with antifreeze. She’ll rest in suspended animation in anticipation of spring. What a wonderful season it has been.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2011-11-08 13:58:05

Must’ve been a beauty.

Hubby and I are going out soon for our run. It’s Syracuse in November but we’re wearing shorts and a tech shirt.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-08 14:54:35

Oh, stop. Here in Tucson, today’s expected high is (drum roll) 60 degrees.

And the mountains got a good coating of snow during our last couple of storms. Down here in the valley, we’ve had .25″ of rain since Sunday.

 
 
 
Comment by BlueStar
2011-11-08 17:12:39

Lightning sparks well fire in North Texas

Here in N. Texas where I live they have wells spaced about 1/2 mile apart in dense urban areas. There is one about 400 yds. from my house and 3 more within 6 blocks. The one near my house has 6 of these 1,500 gallon tanks right out in the open. No barriers, no pits or berms just sitting about 10′ apart. The EPA has no jurisdiction by law to regulate these things, only the state sets safety ‘guidelines’.

http://www.kvue.com/news/state/Lightning-sparks-well-fire-in-North-Texas-133461338.html

Drill baby drill.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-08 19:03:22

Which of the PIIGS is next in line to blow up: Italy or Greece?

Italy debt crisis: patriotism and black comedy amid the gloom

An appeal to save the nation by buying bonds has snowballed, while a TV show reflecting the lows of MPs has become a hit

Tom Kington in Rome
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 8 November 2011 16.03 EST
Article history

A veteran political correspondent stepped out of the chamber of deputies after Silvio Berlusconi’s body blow on the budget vote and shook his head. “Did you notice how the opposition didn’t celebrate? There’s a real crisis going on here and they just don’t know what to do either.”

As hundreds of MPs huddled in the elegant lounges of Rome’s parliament after the vote, trying to figure out how the stalemate would play out, Romans in the rainswept streets outside were voicing their frustration at finding Italy on the frontline of a global financial crisis, with politics heading for an impasse instead of finding a way out.

“The real Greek tragedy is here,” said Francesco Papa, a local politician sheltering under a stone portico in Piazza del Parlamento.

“If we had been better governed we would have been able to do without the euro, just like Britain, but we threw it away and what wealth there is stays hidden.”

Watching the politicians trickle out of parliament, Papa added: “Politics here is based on loyalty to leaders, not on merit, and the transfer market for MPs will continue for a few days. But for me this is the last day I’m interested in politics.”

Waiting for the rain to stop under the massive portico of the Galleria Sordi nearby, Giovanni Bulfaro, an engineer, described himself as “a former member of the Italian middle classes. This is a catastrophic situation and I am feeling every minute of it,” said Bulfaro, 41. “I hope the government resigns and a technical government can be appointed.”

With growth stalled, about 14% of Italians now living in poverty and a third of young people out of work, Berlusconi irked a large number of Italians by saying things were not all bad since restaurants were full, a boast that prompted his interior minister, Roberto Maroni, to say: “You cannot hide the truth.”

Marta Carbone, an economist who was checking shop windows inside the Galleria Sordi, warned that the reforms Berlusconi has hurriedly put together to lift the Italian economy could prove a non-starter. “How can you reform the system when the black economy and corruption will doom it to failure?” said Carbone, 28.

Margherita, 19, a philosophy student, said: “I cannot wait for this government to fall, they don’t represent me, starting with our ridiculous prime minister.”

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-09 02:51:54

“Occupy” group may vacate tent cities, move into foreclosures

by Kim Miller
Palm Beach Post

Occupy group in downtwon West Palm Beach
California’s “Occupy Oakland” group is considering a new initiative to take over empty buildings and homes, according to several news sources including the San Francisco Chronicle.

The proposal has been discussed for the past several days but was allegedly passed at a general assembly meeting last night and announced by the #OccupyOakland twitter account.

The plan is to encourage the occupation of bank-owned/foreclosed and abandoned properties across Oakland.

As the Chronicle reports, city officials are not very excited about the initiative.

“It’s lawlessness,” the Chronicle quotes Joe Haraburda, president of the Oakland Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce, as saying. “How about if you were a building owner and somebody took over your property? What gives them the right to do that?”

Occupy representatives said their followers would improve any place they occupy.

“It’s a very important front for the Occupy movement all over this country, and if any one city can set a precedent for taking over foreclosed buildings, the idea will then quickly spread,” said Adrian Dyer, an Occupy organizer in the Chronicle. “The key is to improve what we occupy, to do it right, to set a good example.”

The Chronicle further reports:

The challenge in seizing foreclosed buildings is how to do it in a way that attracts support, many in the 165-tent Occupy Oakland camp at Frank Ogawa Plaza agreed in meetings and interviews Monday. That means appealing to everyone from the homeless Occupy campers to the soccer moms who show up for marches.

“One idea is to contact the people who were foreclosed upon and enlist them in the effort,” said Kevin Seal, an Occupy organizer. “We want to have a plan before we do anything.”

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-09 05:37:05

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