Accelerating The Market’s Race To The Bottom
Newsworks reports from Delaware. “Down-payment and settlement assistance loans are among the incentives of a new program in northern Delaware designed to boost the sales of vacant homes. Lenders and housing counselors on hand for the presentation said potential buyers should not be scared off by the term ‘vacant property.’ ‘Properties that are vacant, right now in this housing market, there’s not a lot wrong with them,’ Lanora DiStasio of Allied Mortgage said. ‘A vacant home just means that someone could not possibly pay the mortgage anymore.’”
The Gazette in Maryland. “Montgomery County is easing its tax laws to spur economic growth. In legislation adopted Tuesday, the collection of some taxes assessed on new residential and commercial construction will be delayed until those buildings are occupied. Council Vice President Roger Berliner said delaying the collection of impact taxes will make Montgomery more competitive with jurisdictions in Virginia, which already delay the collection — without a sunset provision.”
“‘In the real world, this proposal is revenue-neutral,’ he said, adding that it also could encourage development that otherwise might not occur. ‘Make it easier for people to build. I think that’s what we ought to do.’”
The Washington Post. “Babur Lateef., a Democrat running against Corey Stewart for a spot on the Prince William County Board of Supervisors, has given his campaign $27,750, according to the latest campaign filing reports. Many candidates keep campaign coffers flush with donations from their personal bank accounts. But both Stewart and John S. Gray, an independent candidate also challenging Stewart, have raised questions about Lateef’s finances because of the situation surrounding his home foreclosure last year.”
“Gray and Stewart have said it looked like a strategic default. In 2010, Lateef’s house, which he bought for $1.2 million several years before, went into foreclosure. His sister-in-law bought the house at auction for $616,000, and the family is renting it back to Lateef and his wife while he rebuilds his business. Lateef said that the focus on his personal finances is beside the point.”
“Lateef has proposed lengthening the time from notification of potential foreclosures to the actual bank foreclosure. Banks should be required to take steps to avoid foreclosure, such as considering mortgage modifications, he said. ‘There are a lot of pressing issues in this county,’ Lateef said. The foreclosure issue is one, and Lateef has argued that he is in a unique position to propose solutions. Prince William has been ravaged by rampant foreclosures, and just under half of all homes are ‘underwater,’ meaning homeowners owe more than their homes are worth due to the drop off in the housing market.”
From NPR. “Manassas, Va., has 6,000 families behind on mortgage payments, and three counselors. Mickey Rhoades is one of them. ‘A half-hour into my day and all the peace is gone,’ she says. She gets 60 calls a week. It takes as long as four hours to process each client’s application. ‘You do the math,’ Rhoades says.”
“Before the housing market crashed, banks paid local nonprofit counselors to help families purchase homes. After the crash, the need switched from pre-purchase counseling to foreclosure prevention. But the money hasn’t followed. Counselors are losing jobs while the need for their services surges. ‘You have to have a ground force,’ says Frank McMillan of Virginians Organized for Interfaith Community Engagement. ‘Otherwise these programs don’t result in the intended consequences.’”
The Progress Index in Virginia. “In a report prepared for the Realtors association, the George Mason University GMU Center for Regional Analysis noted that ‘While there was a slowdown in the number of new foreclosures this year, banks have returned to processing foreclosures and there will be an uptick in the last half of the year.”
“Kathy Diradour, 2011 president of the Southside Virginia Association of Realtors noted that federal tax credits boosted home sales in the first half of 2010 and that there were no equivalent incentives to shore up demand this year. ‘But savvy buyers know this is a great time to buy and they’re doing so,’ she said. ‘While sellers may not be getting the price they want on the sale of their home, they’re more than making up that difference when they go to buy their next home.’”
The Charleston Daily Mail in West Virginia. “Low- and medium-income families in West Virginia are now eligible for a 30-year home loan at something that was unimaginable just two decades ago: an interest rate below 3 percent. The West Virginia Housing Development Fund announced Monday it can now offer a 30-year fixed rate loan to qualifying buyers at a new 2.99 percent rate — well below where officials were projecting just six weeks ago.”
“The better interest rate did not have an effect on the income caps that have been set to qualify for the housing fund’s loans. In Logan County, a one- or two-person household with less than $58,560 in income can qualify to purchase a $298,155 house under the loan program.”
The News & Observer in North Carolina. “To say it has been a rough couple of years for the downtown Raleigh condominium market would be, well, a considerable understatement. Two downtown projects, West and the Quorum Center, were forced to resort to auctions to reduce inventory, while a third, Bloomsbury Estates, was sold on the cheap to a Florida company that promptly slashed prices so low that the remaining units sold out in a matter of months.”
“While these events inflicted plenty of pain on both developers and anyone who bought a condo before 2009, they also had the effect of accelerating the market’s race to the bottom. One Bloomsbury unit sold two weeks ago for $166,000, or about $189 a square foot. That’s more than $100 per square foot less than the first Bloomsbury buyer paid a little less than two years ago.”
“‘They’re all gone, thank heavens,’ said Ted Reynolds, who developed the Quorum Center along with his son, David. ‘They sure gutted the market over there.’”
The Tennessean. “For some of the 67,000 homeowners in Middle Tennessee whose properties are financially underwater or near it, partial relief could be close at hand, thanks to a retooled federal program affecting droves of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac loans. Nationwide, nearly 1 in 4 of the country’s homeowners are underwater, according to CoreLogic. That’s roughly 11 million borrowers.”
“In the Nashville area, 13 percent of all homeowners, about 42,000 borrowers, are underwater, and an additional 25,000 people are on the cusp, owing more than their home’s value, according to the firm. ‘Most people I see who are underwater are in a crisis mode. They haven’t been current for months,’ said Ron Williams, senior housing counselor for the Woodbine Community Organization. ‘I think it will help a handful of people, but every federal program I’ve seen so far has failed to live up to expectations.’”
“‘For some people, it’s just putting off the inevitable,’ said Ross Kinney, Pinnacle’s residential and mortgage manager, suggesting that borrowers who do qualify may end up in foreclosure on their homes anyway.”
“Twenty-five confirmed buyers walked away with rock-bottom deals on Fifth and Main condominiums after a Saturday afternoon auction. ‘The market has spoken,’ said David Lang, a principal with Chicago-based ACG Equities, an investor with the development. ‘We consider the auction a success, but are we happy with the values? No, we’re not. But there is a silver lining. We’ll have 40 residents in the building after the new year.’”
“To keep the sales momentum going, Lang said, prices on the building’s remaining 89 units will be kept at auction value until the end of the year. ‘We hope we won’t have any left by January, but if we do, we’ll have to discuss pricing at that point,’ he said.”
“Christina Coleman watched the flurry of activity with keen interest. She has lived at Fifth and Main for about two months and said she came to the auction to assess market prices for units comparable to her one- bedroom, 1½-bath condo. She declined to disclose how much she paid. ‘I’m planning to contact the building owners,’ she said. ‘I think there’s some room for negotiation now.’”
Newsworks reports from Delaware. “Down-payment and settlement assistance loans are among the incentives of a new program in northern Delaware designed to boost the sales of vacant homes. Lenders and housing counselors on hand for the presentation said potential buyers should not be scared off by the term ‘vacant property.’ ‘Properties that are vacant, right now in this housing market, there’s not a lot wrong with them,’ Lanora DiStasio of Allied Mortgage said. ‘A vacant home just means that someone could not possibly pay the mortgage anymore.’”
Like the previous owners who bought a home they could not afford using incentives like down-payment and settlement assistance loans…
“Gray and Stewart have said it looked like a strategic default. In 2010, Lateef’s house, which he bought for $1.2 million several years before, went into foreclosure. His sister-in-law bought the house at auction for $616,000, and the family is renting it back to Lateef and his wife while he rebuilds his business. Lateef said that the focus on his personal finances is beside the point.”
Well - that worked out rather nicely…
Yeah, arm’s length I’m sure.
I see a second bankruptcy in the family.
In Logan County, a one- or two-person household with less than $58,560 in income can qualify to purchase a $298,155 house under the loan program.”
5x income for a house in Logan County, WV???
Why is the state helping these people go into debt slavery?
Yeah, look at all the govt “plans”, giving incentives in every direction:
‘Down-payment and settlement assistance loans are among the incentives of a new program in northern Delaware…For some of the 67,000 homeowners in Middle Tennessee whose properties are financially underwater or near it, partial relief could be close at hand, thanks to a retooled federal program…Make it easier for people to build. I think that’s what we ought to do…Before the housing market crashed, banks paid local nonprofit counselors to help families purchase homes…federal tax credits boosted home sales in the first half of 2010 and that there were no equivalent incentives to shore up demand this year…’
‘these events inflicted plenty of pain on both developers and anyone who bought a condo before 2009…Christina Coleman has lived at Fifth and Main for about two months and said she came to the auction to assess market prices for units comparable to her one- bedroom, 1½-bath condo’
Think of all the ‘programs’ not even mentioned here; MID, the GSE guarantees, the debt relief thing if you short sell, HUD, FDIC/shadow inventory, the central bank buying trillions in MBS. You’d think the various govts would be ashamed at what a mess they’ve made. But instead they keep piling mistake upon mistake.
Just let the term “down-payment assistance loan” roll around in your thoughts for a few seconds…
A loan so that you can make a down payment on… another loan. Shouldn’t the notion that you’re about to take on something like that tell you that you’re in over your head right from the start?
So that they can get re-elected. It is not about what is right but what is right for them.
So they can continue to receive favors from their bankster benefactors.
Debt slavery = freedom from throwing away money on rent
But at what cost?
In Logan County, a one- or two-person household with less than $58,560 in income can qualify to purchase a $298,155 house under the loan program.”
This is stunning. And it’s in writing. In the media.
Even worse, they have a ceiling cap on it. If somebody came along who was better qualified and less likely to default, they turn the guy down.
“Christina Coleman watched the flurry of activity with keen interest. She has lived at Fifth and Main for about two months and said she came to the auction to assess market prices for units comparable to her one- bedroom, 1½-bath condo. She declined to disclose how much she paid. ‘I’m planning to contact the building owners,’ she said. ‘I think there’s some room for negotiation now.’”
To do what? You ALREADY bought the place…
2005=Christina Coleman lined up with the lemmings to pay a grossly inflated price for what has always been a depreciating asset.
2011= Christina Coleman lined up with the same lemmings with their hand out looking to correct the mistake they made in 2005.
Lesson-Christina Coleman is an empty skulled idiot that will follow anyone. Even if it means walking off the end of a bridge.
It may be worse than that:
‘She has lived at Fifth and Main for about two months’
Did she buy this condo recently?
How about the price of these puppies, Ben?
“Some of the best deals of the day were $110,000 for a one-bedroom, one-bath condo with 785 square feet of living space, originally listed for $149,900; $122,000 for a one-bedroom, 1½-bath condo with 961 square feet of living space, originally listed for $210,900; and $265,000 for a two-bedroom, 2½-bath condo with 2,258 square feet of living space, originally listed for $527,900.”
Keep in mind this is EAST Nashville. Hmmm, 5th and Main is within a few blocks of LP Stadium for the Tennessee Titans football, so that might explain the pricing. But for normal folks with a job who just want to commute, this area appears to be in the industrial part of town, with the oil tanks and the junkyards and the gravel yards and the main highway 2 blocks away. We’ve all passed through such areas when going through a city on the interstate.. and 5th and Main is 2 blocks from I-24.
Lemme see what East Nashville has to offer in the SFH market:
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/612-Boscobel-St-Nashville-TN-37206/41117195_zpid/
1923 2/1 Craftsman on 0.2 acre, with a small den too. It has a narrow lot, but the back yard is long and skinny, as was typical for the time. (I read that people would have chickens and fruit trees on these city lots.) There’s only one pic, but I bet it’s cutie patootie. All true Craftmans are cutie patootie, and I bet that it’s better built than the new condo tower. This is within 6 blocks of 5th and Main.
Feb 1989: Sold $52K
Oct 2011: Listed $160K. They probably won’t get that. Even so, I would snap this up before even glancing at the stupid condo tower.
Meanwhile, if you want to commute about 7 miles, there are some nice ranches:
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2824-Lakeland-Dr-Nashville-TN-37214/41121291_zpid/
1955 3/2 brick rambler on 0.14 acre. Has some decent renovation, hardwood, nice roof, pretty yard.
May 1988: Sold $82K.
Sep 2011: Listed $90K.
1955 3/2 brick rambler on 0.14 acre. Has some decent renovation, hardwood, nice roof, pretty yard.
May 1988: Sold $82K.
Sep 2011: Listed $90K.
Wowzer! Look at that long-term appreciation!
Yeah, being withing shouting distance of a football stadium is totally worth a lot of extra money. IN BIZARRO LAND!
If you’re a Titans fan with lots of guy buddies who want to either attend the game, or tailgate, and drink and crash after the game, yeah that’s worth a little scratch. I’d still go for the little Craftsman.
Yeah, that statement doesn’t make any sense.
“For some of the 67,000 homeowners in Middle Tennessee whose properties are financially underwater or near it,”
Whew! No bubble in flyover country.
Five minutes on Zillow would reveal that there was a bubble over the entire country. But I think that the bubble pricing is due to fixer flips, full reno flips, new housing, and condos, especially Where the Jobs Aren’t.
Older inner-ring houses with no updates haven’t really budged in price, or they are sitting and sitting.
“Where the Jobs Aren’t.”
Hey, I’m from there!
Yeah, me too!
We offered myriad warnings here for anyone who cared to heed them.
And I personally warned my own SIL, who roundly ignored my advice because she finds personal finance a distasteful topic. She and hubby consequently paid $180K for a condo on the Great Salt Lake desert floor.
Nov. 8, 2011, 12:00 a.m. EST
The great $26 billion real estate swindle
Commentary: Pity anyone who took the tax credit to buy a house
By Brett Arends, MarketWatch
BOSTON (MarketWatch) — Call it the Great Rock & Roll Real Estate Swindle. Call it a $26 billion Bait & Switch. Call it the Mother of All Boondoggles.
Call it whatever you want.
But as foreclosures surge again and house prices continue to slide, new data out Monday reveals more of the grim verdict on the $26 billion federal program in 2009 and 2010 to offer tax credits to home buyers.
You may remember that between the spring of 2009 and September 2010 the government handed out credits of up to $8,000 to induce people to buy a new home. It was supposed to gee up the housing market.
How’d that work out?
Zillow.com, the real estate information company, says the average price of an American home fell again last month to $171,500 — the lowest level in eight years. That’s down 4.4% from a year ago, although it’s been about stable over the summer.
Now compare the average prices with those that people paid in 2009 and 2010, when they took advantage of the credits.
According to Zillow, prices during that time averaged about $186,000.
In other words, based at least on average prices, you’ve lost about $14,500 — nearly twice the value of the credit. Stan Humphries, Zillow’s chief economist, says the credits, effectively expired in June 2010, when prices nationwide averaged $182,000. Since then we’re down $10,500.
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Well it was plain as day prices hadn’t fallen enough. Now we find out the cost of those foreclosures as people start walking away.
“Call it the Great Rock & Roll Real Estate Swindle.”
The word, swindle, seems inappropriate in this situation; maybe a high risk incentive? I’m sure there were no written appreciation guarantees. The pessimists saw the end result prior to the program’s launch, and not all market regions are inflated like the coasts, so some folks are still in contention.
While now may be a great time to buy (with great deals on bank owned properties and low interest rates), the key factor is not getting in over your head with a loan you can’t afford. We can blame banks, loan officers, real estate agents, etc… but when it comes down to it– be a responsible buyer and do your research!
You’re preachin’ to the choir.
Boy, that sounded like an infomercial if I ever read one. Az Slim, you were being your kind self. You’re a class act.
In So Ca in my area, there seems to be a micro bubble of new listings inching up in prices. Will this nightmare ever end. We get it already, un-naturally low interest rates, but we also get the fact there are no jobs, salaries are down, and a host of real estate inventory realities.
btw, the REO we rescinded the deal on, is still on the market active. I wonder who else offered cash and got a slap in the face. I hope it sits until it’s worth 25% less. Screw the banks.
In retrospect, we offered too much for the wrong house.
That’s what I call hand spam. Meaning not computer generated
At least it was on-message for this blog! The ones on some random unrelated topic are frustrating, but not ones that speak truth.
Dirty hand spammer!
It truly sounds obscene, doesn’t it?
Seattle Realtor must be knew. He doesn’t know that HBB has the “Joshua” philosophy of buying: the best move is not to play.
DC Metro is waiting for a surprise fall of around 20% after the super committee cuts funding to a lot of contracts. Even if 10% auto cuts came into effect, DC area will feeel a pinch of around $80-100B less in spending, which I think is a huge amount per year for 10 years.
Many contractors may soon be applying for perm jobs.
How long do you think it will take for house prices to fall due to these cuts?
6 months.
Just in time for the presidential race to enter the stretch.
Lets revisit the crisis:
New homes from $300k, one months later same homes from $400k, another month same homes from $500k you get the picture banks and builders in bed together and greed wins out so they thought.
Now these same wonderful people are telling the public how and why they must save their home and reduce the loan so they can save maybe $250 a month? Oh yes and most likely most of these people will again face a foreclosure notice in two years. We think Madoff was bad these folks are far worse.
IMO, any loan modifications being offered will give the bank a recourse loan in place of a nonrecourse loan.
Poor banks. Poor, poor banks.
TOUGH $HIT. Sink you mofo’s. You whining bitches crowded me out of the market for long enough. GTFO of the house.
+1 LMAO!
my bad, sorry.
The folks who took a loss are renting now, not buying another house.