November 11, 2011

In A Couple Years, These Will Not Be The Prices

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “UCLA economists are predicting a steady climb in the median price of existing California homes. The UCLA Anderson Forecast anticipates an 11.5 percent price jump next year. The forecast calls for another 10 percent increase in 2013 and a median price of nearly $440,000 by 2017 — that would represent a 52 and a half percent increase over today’s prices. Jean Haneke is looking to sell her home in Morgan Hill. ‘There are houses that are closing in our area, there are good sales, we’ve seen statistics on it, and we’re looking for that sort of thing as a seller,’ said Haneke.”

“During the first nine months of this year, more than 3,500 homes were foreclosed on here in the Coachella Valley, according to DataQuick. Like many, George and Christine Smith have a number of those homes in their Cathedral City neighborhood. ‘It is not very good at the moment is it?’ said George while talking about the number of distressed properties. ‘When you see all the foreclosures, and the prices they are going for, it is very worrying,’ said Christine Smith.”

“The head of the Desert Association of California Realtors, Greg Berkemer, calls it ‘a painful part’ of the market recovery. But the recovery will be delayed as long as there is a glut of foreclosed homes. ‘A market in recovery doesn’t mean that things are good, it means things are getting less bad,’ said Berkemer.”

“A Bayview woman who broke back into her foreclosed home is now admitting mistakes were made, but Carolyn Gage still blames the company that refinanced her home. ‘I did take out several loans to keep on top of my bills and keep my home upgraded,’ Gage said.”

“Documents show the last refinance was in November 2006, with the first payment due in January 2007, but court records show she never made a single payment. ‘That’s not entirely true,’ Gage said. ‘When I went to rescind the loan, I could not get in contact with anyone.’”

“Gage said she called to cancel the loan, but there’s no documentation of that. Those faxes were not included in the documents she filed in her lawsuit that was thrown out of court. Gage said later she’s not sure that she can find them. In her defense, the loan she agreed to was extraordinarily expensive: $525,000 at 11.99 percent variable interest, which includes $23,000 in fees along with a monthly payment of $5,245.63. When asked if she thought she could make the payment, Gage said: ‘At that particular time, yes.’”

“In hindsight, Gage admits the loan was a mistake, but it’s not just hers.”

“In New York and New Jersey, where courts imposed new rules last fall, it would take lenders more than 50 years at their current pace to clear pipelines of homes that are seriously delinquent or already in the foreclosure process, according to LPS Applied Analytics. In New Jersey, foreclosure activity was curbed after a court requirement that leading companies prove that their foreclosure processes were sound. The companies received clearance in August and September to resume foreclosures.”

“‘This is like having water backed up behind a dam. We hope it’ll be let out easy and not all at once,’ says Allan Dechert, president of the New Jersey Association of Realtors.”

“A credit reporting agency says Arizona’s home loan delinquency rates have seen the best overall improvement in the nation, but a local mortgage expert calls the numbers ‘misleading.’ John Capp, an owner at Sunstreet Mortgage in Tucson says says delinquencies are back on the rise. Capp says Tucson doesn’t have the demand for all the homes built here during the housing bubble. ‘For people who have negative equity there is little incentive for them to keep making their mortgage payment,’ Capp said. ‘It’s easier for them to throw their keys at the bank and start over.’”

“Real Estate Insider’s Alert! Buy Now or Pay More Later! Banks are now withholding more property than in the past, which should affect prices to go up: at least it appears to be their hope. Nation wide supplies are down 20% over 1 year ago and lowest since 2007. Many sellers are now seeing the trend and are removing their homes off the market, rather than sell them at today’s discounted prices.”

“If I were a home buyer right now, I would be buying property within the next 6 months in our market area, which I feel, has bottomed out in many areas. This should be done before the prices start creeping higher. Homes, by and large, are now available at wholesale prices, which we know will not last forever. It’s my opinion that they have only one to go and that’s up.”

“Foreclosure filings in Pueblo and the rest of the state are rising again, housing experts say. Just in the last two weeks, 74 foreclosures were filed, the office says. ‘I think it’s going to probably be a pretty big bump,’ deputy public trustee Doug Naylon said.”

“Sales for Richmond’s Parc Riviera launched Oct. 22, and the project’s first phase is being marketed as the best riverfront value in the city. There will also be views of the Olympic Mountains and Mount Baker, especially from condos above the third floor. And in a bid to give the community some strong early ‘momentum,’ says Parc Riviera sales director Greg Lowe, current pre-sale pricing has been set at less than what future pricing is anticipated to be.”

“‘In a couple years, when it’s all here, these will not be the prices,’ Lowe says. ‘The prices will be waterfront prices as an established community. Right now, you’re probably saving somewhere between $25,000 to $50,000 off where the prices will be in the subsequent buildings when we bring them on because it’s the initial phase. It’s discounted right now. We want to get a good start. We want to get a good momentum. We’re asking people to have some faith, and we have to reward them for that with the pricing. But it’s a very limited time offer.’”

“Since the installation of a giant LED screen at B.C. Place, Douglas Coupland’s memorial to Terry Fox has taken on a weird twilight vibe. Downtown resident David Cookson has been petitioning for the removal or relocation of the screen (one of three on the site) for weeks. Cookson feels that the official attitude is that residents of the downtown core are ‘open game,’ having freely ‘invited this kind of harassment because we live downtown.’”

“It’s impossible to get used to the bombardment of a ‘flashing electric lighting bolt’ into his home every 30 to 40 seconds, he says. ‘The flashing in the house is very different from the constant light that stays on when you have a hue or glow coming off the top during a game.’”

“Cookson claims that before buying his condo in November 2010, he looked into what kinds of zoning changes were being planned for the area. There was no public record of the giant screen’s introduction, ‘because they snuck it up and ambushed residents of this neighbourhood, and ambushed city hall.’ The 40-year-old environmental consultant and his wife have postponed having a baby, because he says they no longer have the proper conditions at home for a sleeping infant.”

“The world-renowned Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava was paid 15.2 million euros (£13 million) for a building project in Valencia that will never be built, it has emerged. The architect drew up plans for a project that would include three skyscrapers and eight residential blocks. Architectural models for the skyscraper project were unveiled at the regional parliament in 2004 and a contract sighed a year later. But the project was shelved shortly after when the Spanish property bubble burst.”

“Ignacio Blanco, a regional MP from the left wing EUPV, the party which originally called for an investigation, said the figure was astounding. ‘The investigation revealed that 15 million euros was paid for a project that has not been carried out,’ he said. ‘Calatrava has enjoyed a free bar with public money from the Popular Party.’”

“The Chinese regime has restricted bank lending and has put limits on the number of homes people can buy. It’s an effort to cool what many believe is a property bubble. But there are fears prices could fall too fast, hitting economic growth. State media reported broker Centaline Property Agency Limited said last week it would close 60 outlets and lay off 1000 workers, while Century21 Real Estate closed 34 outlets in the first two quarters of the year.”

“Mr. He, Shanghai Real Estate Broker: ‘In Shanghai’s Jiading district, only a month after buying an apartment, the price could fall [about 50 to 60-thousand dollars]. Recently in the market as a whole, buyers may be slowing down to see which way the wind blows.’”

“[Liu Kaiming, Head of The Institute of Contemporary Observation: 'The income of many people in Shenzhen is only about [300 dollars] a month. If they don’t eat or drink, it will take them a year’s income to buy [10 square feet] of an apartment. It will take them 100 years to buy a set of rooms. The average person can’t afford to buy an apartment even after working for a lifetime.’”




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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-11 06:16:39

‘I did take out several loans to keep on top of my bills and keep my home upgraded,’ Gage said.”

WTF does that mean? “Keep my ‘home’ upgraded”?

Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-11-11 06:33:58

Granite counters at 11.99 percent variable interest so that the place would look nice the next time she breaks into it.

This woman is beyond belief.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-11 07:22:45

Incredulous.

The way the dimwit says “keep my ‘home’ upgraded” implies there is someone doing spot checks on her.

 
 
Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-11-11 06:35:59

“In hindsight, Gage admits the loan was a mistake, but it’s not just hers.”

It didn’t prevent her from spending the money, however.

Comment by polly
2011-11-11 07:46:09

Seriously, if she had all the money she received sitting in a bank account and had tried to pay off the loan once she “couldn’t” rescind it, and still had the money sitting there after payment of the principal was refused - so that her argument was over interest accrued after an attempt to pay it off or maybe a pre-payment penalty, I think she would have a much better argument for sympathy.

 
 
Comment by Montana
2011-11-11 09:34:22

“mistakes were made”

Love it.

Comment by ex-Wreck
2011-11-12 00:08:34

Notice how passive verb construction is often used when someone wants to deflect blame. On the other hand, when someone wants to take credit, it’s all active verb construction ["*I* did this", "*We* did that, etc.].

More generally, a lot of people tend to internalize success [it's due to my skill] and externalize failure [bad luck, the other guy's fault, etc]. A good character test is how people respond to success and failure: I try to avoid people who internalize all success and externalize all failure.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-11 10:00:13

I live in a house that’s a year older than I am. The kitchen and bathrooms were upgraded sometime during the last 10 to 15 years. You know what? I’m just fine with ‘em. Same thing with the carpets.

The paint job? Well, whoever did the interior was clueless. Exterior is partially repainted, and I paid a local guy cash for that. He did a great job.

The next upgrade on my list is adding solar water heating, and I plan to pay cash for that too. Which gives me all the more motivation to hustle up some of those good-paying design and photo projects. So back to the phones after this holiday weekend.

Loan? Well, in my world, that’s a four-letter word.

 
Comment by WPHR_editor
2011-11-11 14:22:20

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-11 06:16:39

‘I did take out several loans to keep on top of my bills and keep my home upgraded,’ Gage said.”

WTF does that mean? “Keep my ‘home’ upgraded”?

I’m not sure what it means. I’ll ask Suzanne to research it and get back to you….

 
 
Comment by polly
2011-11-11 08:14:06

““UCLA economists are predicting a steady climb in the median price of existing California homes. The UCLA Anderson Forecast anticipates an 11.5 percent price jump next year. The forecast calls for another 10 percent increase in 2013 and a median price of nearly $440,000 by 2017 — that would represent a 52 and a half percent increase over today’s prices.”

This is fantastic. They are predicting an increase of over 50% in median incomes in these areas. Probably more since such a jump in incomes means a booming economy and higher interest rates so incomes will have to be up even more to be able to afford these prices with higher mortgage rates. And people are going to be able to save up nearly $90K of downpayments. Maybe the median income is going to $200K. I wonder what those jobs will be?

Comment by iftheshoefits
2011-11-11 08:27:55

If we all would just wish, maybe it will come true!

Comment by Bad Andy
2011-11-11 11:30:37

Wish in one hand and Sh*t in the other and tell me which one fills up first.

These economists are real turkeys and the same folks that drove the bubble in the first place.

Comment by weakanddizzy
2011-11-11 15:55:56

Bad Andy,
Right on. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

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Comment by snake charmer
2011-11-11 08:46:43

Everyone has predictions. Here’s mine: I predict that there will be no negative academic or practical consequences for those making that absurd forecast.

Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-11-11 13:24:41

I’ll take that bet, Snakey!

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-11 23:13:38

I predict there will be no housing bottom in California until after there are magnitude 7.0+ earthquakes and rioting with blood in the streets — same as there was during the late-1980s/early-1990s real estate crash.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-11-11 14:09:16

“They are predicting an increase of over 50% in median incomes in these areas.”

They might be factoring in an assumption that the Fed will try and will succeed in the effort to create ‘higher than expected’ inflation over the next few years.

 
 
Comment by Steve W
2011-11-11 08:18:06

I’m no UCLA economist, but I would like to predict that there is a zero percent chance that the CA Median will be up 11.9 % next year.

I’d also like to predict that there is a a zero percent chance that the CA Median price will be up 52% by 2017.

zero.

I also enjoyed the Prescott column. I’m sure the median salary over there is high enough to afford all of those 500K houses that are sitting on the market.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-11 08:24:31

Considering prices are falling, these statements are beyond ludicrous.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-11 09:18:52

In ten years, they can just lie and claim that they predicted the next leg down in prices.

Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-11-11 13:20:06

They’ll use their two fallback mantras: “Economists were surprised that x,y,z happened” and “No one could’ve predicted this would happen.”

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-11 22:40:35

No need for that. They can just play mum when the MSM refers back to them as the outfit that predicted the next wave of price declines, after conveniently forgetting the call for a 50% price increase.

 
 
 
Comment by Robin
2011-11-13 00:58:12

Anderson School forecasts had a great deal of credibility when Chris Thornberg was in charge.

Lost all credibility since.

Chris is still around.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-11 09:12:25

Did they base their “up 52% by 2017″ forecast on any argument, or was this more of a number they collectively pulled out of their asses? I’m wondering if this kind of appreciation has ever before been seen during a time of sequentially broken California state budgets, double-digit unemployment, high unemployment, falling conforming loan limits, and ongoing high rate of foreclosures with an average one-year lag time to complete each one.

I can’t help but recall the 2003 survey of LA-area home owners by Case and Shiller, wherein the median LA-area owner believed the average appreciation on their home’s value would be 23.4 percent a year over the next decade, implying an overall increase from 2003-2013 by a factor of (1.234^10-1) = 7.2. But at least these fools were predicting higher prices during a period when prices were actually going up, not down.

Comment by snake charmer
2011-11-11 09:37:16

You have to wonder how much of this optimism is pharmaceutical, or manufactured by one of these university “centers for real estate studies” funded by real estate interests so that propaganda can be disguised as scholarship.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-11-11 11:04:55

Absolutely, these business schools are funded by the REIC. I once looked up the contributors to UCLA and USC’s business schools and proved it to myself.

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-11-11 11:19:15

Just to add their alumni in the REIC have a big influence on their agenda. My former boss was well connected.

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-11-11 12:05:46

Agreed, Awaiting,

Anderson serves as the de facto finishing school for north CA hedgies.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2011-11-11 14:00:14

“…funded by real estate interests so that propaganda can be disguised as scholarship.”

That is so close to my thinking that I suspect intellectual piracy. ;-)

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-11 09:16:19

So now the UCLA Anderson School panel is credited (by abc7) with predicting the bubble would burst. My memory must be slipping, as I certainly don’t recall their warnings. Hopefully Ben or one of the HBB regulars can help me out with figuring out at what point these warnings were sounded.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-11 09:17:46

On second thought, I’m willing to bet that historical revision of what the experts said and when they said it is a hallmark of the aftermath of every mania.

 
Comment by cactus
2011-11-11 09:38:59

I remember they have been wrong

wrong back in the 1980’s run up and bust

wrong in the 2000 run up and bust

this prediction is bold in that it’s predicting a turning point not the usual trend repeating one year after another

Have no idea how they make such forecasts ?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2011-11-11 11:35:54

The Anderson School was talking about the bubble in 2004-05 when Thornberg was there. Then they did a 180 just in time to be wrong. They went so far as to insist there wouldn’t even be a recession. It was an astonishingly bad call.

Comment by Professor Bear
2011-11-11 14:01:50

Thanks, Ben — matches my recollection exactly. Once Thornberg was left, the paid RE prostitutes took over the forecasting function. Their forecasts came out sounding like something to the effect of, “Real estate prices will not drop, because California real estate always goes up.”

 
Comment by ex-Wreck
2011-11-12 00:15:50

Reminiscent of the Harvard Economic Society: in early 1929, they predicted a major recession. But as the stock market kept booming during ‘29, they reversed their conclusion and said something like “a repeat of 1921 [a fairly big recession up until that time] is out of the realm of possibility.”

They kept repeating this well into the ’30s, never recognizing their error.

Then again, in the UCLA case, it was Thornberg I was following, not the Anderson School. When Thornberg left, I stuck with his opinions.

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2011-11-11 12:12:54

“…help me out with figuring out at what point these warnings were sounded….”

Somewhere among all those grad students one may have mentioned something about unsustainable systems, but it sure as ____ never made it into the MSM.

And Ben has the compilation of releases to prove it. Might be fun to show up at their next symposium and pose this question, eh Prof? I’m up for it if you are.

Comment by ahansen
2011-11-11 12:14:20

Oops. Forgot about Thornberg. What ever happened to him, Ben?

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-11-11 12:47:40

He started his own outfit. We tried to get him to come meet us in Vegas but he wanted $4000.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2011-11-11 14:06:26

Prostitutes usually require payment to make a showing.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-11 15:36:00

He started his own outfit. We tried to get him to come meet us in Vegas but he wanted $4000.

Oh, puh-leeze! Four grand to do what? Make a speech and hang out for an hour afterward?

Good thing you turned ‘im down, Ben.

 
Comment by evildoc
2011-11-12 16:23:37

Geez, what an anti-business crowd.

They guy wants $4000. Does not ask for handouts. Does not cry if folks don’t pay. We are free to turn him down. Sounds very fair.

How much do big speaker earn, who never identified the problem?

Seems T-berg should be viewed as a bargain. Which has nothing to do with whether we choose to hire him. But… complaining about him?

Not good.

 
 
Comment by Big V
2011-11-11 13:02:48

He was fired as a punishment for being “negative” about California real estate.

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-11-11 19:04:20

I wondered why Thornberg left Anderson and started Beacon with a partner. Thanks Big V. I recall all the Anderson hype myself Ben and the Prof.

I wonder if the sheeples will question what miraculous economic turnaround will make housing go up again? That’s what concerns me. People take every soundbite from these propaganda machines as gospel (at least for a while).

I heard Thornberg a month or two ago, say housing had hit bottom and would be there for a while. He was on a radio business show for 5 minutes on So Ca real estate. Thornberg is what I call a “floater”. He plays to the audience, imho.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-11 10:04:04

“Real Estate Insider’s Alert! Buy Now or Pay More Later! Banks are now withholding more property than in the past, which should affect prices to go up: at least it appears to be their hope. Nation wide supplies are down 20% over 1 year ago and lowest since 2007. Many sellers are now seeing the trend and are removing their homes off the market, rather than sell them at today’s discounted prices.”

About those banks withholding more property: Here in Tucson, it’s just sitting there, unoccupied and rotting away. I’m sure that they won’t be able to put it on the market for anywhere near what they hope to get.

And, as for the sellers seeing the trend, I don’t know about your town, but I’m seeing an increase in places for sale. Call them the “F— it!” sellers. As in, they’ve had enough of their “investment” houses and all those lousy tenants, they’re downsizing, they’re leaving town for another job, etc.

Whatever the reason, they’re saying “F— it!” and they’re listing their places for sale.

 
Comment by doom
2011-11-11 12:46:45

Banks are famous for creating a pent up demand that is why they try to keep inventory low.
But in today’s world where good paying jobs are needed I wonder if their past way of doing business will work in the future.
Many bet that the old strategy won’t fly and the banks will eat more property and the crisis will continue?
PS..
Calif is a different animal because of the sure size of the market there.
The wealthy area’s can control the market and will probally see a increase down the road but for the vast people who live paycheck to paycheck in the state I still see a three class state of rich, low middle class, and poor for many years to come.

Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-11-11 13:38:04

“I still see a three-class state of rich, low middle class, and poor for many years to come.”

I’d add another class: “Temporarily rich during the bubble and can’t believe it’s gone.”

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2011-11-11 18:05:09

“it would take lenders more than 50 years at their current pace to clear pipelines of homes that are seriously delinquent or already in the foreclosure process”

Renter ’til death. Got it.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-11-11 19:33:45

Muggy-
You and I both. I wish I drank or did illicit drugs. A rigged inventory and overpriced cr*p for sale. We just got back from a looksie at a $350K ghetto property in the burbs in So Ca. $150K would be a generous offer.

The signature on the neighborhood was the toilet, bathtub, and sink on a front lawn. Evidently, the remodel budget didn’t allow for a dumpster. Slops.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-11 22:42:54

A little drinking on occasion doesn’t hurt much, IMHO…

 
 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-11-11 19:35:01

s/b Slobs.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-11 22:21:45

Did the Realtors suddenly load all online articles about the many years to come needed to clear out the foreclosure backlog with the cyberwarfare equivalent of IEDs? Every article I can find in Google which suggests it will be years, if not decades, before the foreclosure backlog clears has a link which does not take me to the article, but rather to some off-topic web site.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-11 22:25:14

Here is one of the “foreclosure backlog” articles I mentioned: Suggests it will take 50 years to clear out the housing backlog in New Jersey and New York. My thirteen-year-old son will be eligible for AARP membership by then!

Foreclosure Backlog Will Take Years to Clear Out
Reported by: Tom Tucker
Published: 11/09 5:31 pm
Updated: 11/10 12:30 pm

You see foreclosed homes in just about every desert neighborhood– and new reports show, that you’ll be seeing them for quite some time as it will take several years to sell off the “backlog” of foreclosures.

In fact, during the first nine months of this year, more than 3,500 homes were foreclosed on here in the Coachella Valley, according to real estate tracking firm DataQuick.

Like many, George and Christine Smith have a number of those homes in their Cathedral City neighborhood.

“It is not very good at the moment is it?” said George while talking about the number of distressed properties.

Not only an eyesore, but foreclosed homes are also clogging up the system. New research out from LPS Applied Analytics shows the number of years it will take to sell them off.

For California, it is an estimated 3 years, which is actually relatively fast compared to other states. That’s because in the golden state, foreclosures don’t have to go through the courts.

“When you see all the foreclosures, and the prices they are going for, it is very worrying,” said Christine Smith.

But the back log is much worse in places like New York and New Jersey, where foreclosures do go through the courts.

In those states, it is estimated it will take more than 50 years to sell off the inventory there.

The head of the Desert Association of California Realtors, Greg Berkemer, calls it “a painful part” of the market recovery.

But the recovery will be delayed as long as there is a glut of foreclosed homes.

“A market in recovery doesn’t mean that things are good, it means things are getting less bad,” said Berkemer.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-11 22:26:50

“‘This is like having water backed up behind a dam. We hope it’ll be let out easy and not all at once,’ says Allan Dechert, president of the New Jersey Association of Realtors.”

Sounds as though a fifty-year flood is on the way any day now.

 
Comment by Little Al
2011-11-11 23:03:30

There is a prediction of a 11.5% jump in home prices next year in the Golden State, but there is obviously a confusing statistic meant to trip up the unguarded investor. By reading further into the article, the areas affected by upward price swings are the outlying areas most devastated by the bubble, but would anyone want to live in these jobless wastelands like Manteca, California or the Imperial Valley. These areas were most devastated by the bubble therefore ready for a rebound. Yes, Podunk, California, let the new games begin.
On the contrary, the majority of livable California real estate like Los Angeles, and Orange county are still on the slow slog downward that will last two more years. But remember, the lie spinners from the network media will start off panic buying among the unwary twenty year olds who are just now ready to purchase a house, but the trend is still down.
Where is Neil or Olympia Gal when ya need em?

Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2011-11-12 10:23:48

Yeah there are no good paying jobs in the rural parts of California. I cannot see any major income increases in places such as Fresno. Those UCLA folks must be on crack.

 
 
Comment by Erik
2011-11-12 06:56:34

Someone once said Economics was invented to make Astrology look respectable…

Comment by Robin
2011-11-13 01:23:05

The stars indicate that the great, normal parts of OC, CA will reach bottom in the next 2 years, unless foreclosures are further held up.

 
 
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