November 14, 2011

The Heyday Was A Little Carried Away

The Ventura County Star reports from California. “Right now is actually an excellent time for first-time buyers to buy a home. The California Association of Realtors reported that housing affordability continued to improve throughout the state in the first quarter of 2011. According to a February article in the San Diego Union-Tribune, home affordability in San Diego County has reached a record high. The California Building Industry Association has determined that overall housing affordability in California has continued to increase in the first quarter of 2011.”

“Mike Winn, CBIA’s president and CEO, said this was good news for consumers looking to take advantage of low prices and encouraged buyers to get into the market before prices begin to rise. ‘Affordability levels continue to remain high by our state’s historical standards, so this is an opportune time for buyers to get into the marketplace,’ Winn said.”

The Orange County Register. “From the reporter’s notebook at the National Association of Realtors conference taking place this weekend in Anaheim: Once again, NAR Chief Economist Yun took a pot shot at UCLA forecasters, calling their outlook for California overly optimistic. Two years ago, Yun called a UCLA Anderson Forecast ‘bubblish’ for predicting a 16 percent home price gain in Orange County in 2010. Now, he’s questioning a recent forecast stating that California home prices will rise 52.5 percent by 2017.”

“‘Everything is moving in the right direction,’ said Yun, who projects an 8 percent to 10 percent gain in U.S. home prices over the next three years. ‘But to say that everything will appreciate in the high single digits every year for six years, I think that’s high.’”

The Modesto Bee. “It’s going to take until 2015 before home construction returns to normal in Stanislaus County, an economist told a room full of builders Thursday. But home construction in the county has been anything but normal for more than a decade. It certainly isn’t normal now, according to Jeffrey Michael, director of the Business Forecasting Center at the University of the Pacific in Stockton.”

“The economist showed how the county built too few homes during the 1990s and too many homes during the past decade. ‘By 2000, Stanislaus had a genuine housing shortage,’ Michael said. Home builders jumped on the opportunity, and by 2003 housing growth had surpassed population growth. ‘You should have seen home prices level off after that, but they did quite the opposite.’”

“Not only did home prices continue to soar, but developers built an even greater number of homes in 2004 and 2005. It wasn’t until after the housing boom went bust in 2006 that construction slowed.”

The Record Searchlight. “When Thunderbird Forest Products in Cottonwood shut down last summer, George Phillippe lost his job as plant manager. Phillippe, 58, had been there nearly 30. Decades of mill work, with its seasonality and the economy’s ups and downs, mean occasionally you’re between jobs. But Phillippe says it’s different this time. ‘Back in the ’70s and ’80s a person could get laid off on Friday and be back to work somewhere else on Monday morning,’ said Phillippe, whose wife also lost her job at Shasta County. ‘But there is just nothing out there right now.’”

“Molding and other wood mill operations were once plentiful in Shasta County, but lower production costs from overseas competitors and automation have eliminated many jobs. Those companies still operating in California have been hammered by the housing downturn, which has virtually eliminated demand. ‘That (Thunderbird) product was totally based on housing in the area of residential construction, whether it was apartments, condos or houses,’ said Don D. Davis of ReMax Five Star in Redding, who is listing the Cottonwood property.”

“Retired Chico State University economist David Gallo has estimated one of every four jobs lost in Shasta County since 2006 has been in construction. ‘The heyday was a little carried away,’ Gallo said of the construction boom. ‘We are not going to see 2005 again in terms of construction jobs. That was crazy — unsustainable. But we are going to see a resurgence of housing. It’s just a question of when.’”

The City Journal. “Everybody knows that California’s economy has struggled mightily since the 2008 financial crisis and subsequent recession. But a study commissioned by City Journal using the National Establishment Time Series database, which has tracked job creation and migration from 1992 through 2008 (so far) in a way that government statistics can’t, reveals the disturbing truth. California’s economy during the second half of that period—2000 through 2008—was far less vibrant and diverse than it had been during the first. Well before the crisis struck, then, the Golden State was setting itself up for a big fall.”

“During the 1992–2000 period, the L.A. and San Francisco Bay areas added more than 1.1 million new jobs—about half the entire state total. But between 2000 and 2008, as Chart 3 indicates, California’s two big metro areas produced fewer than 70,000 new jobs—a nearly 95 percent drop and a mere 6 percent of job creation in the state. Not only did California in the 2000s suffer anemic job growth; the new jobs paid substantially less than before.”

“Steven Malanga’s ‘Cali to Business: Get Out!’ identifies the major villains: suffocating regulations, inflated business taxes and fees, a lawsuit-friendly legal environment, and a political class uninterested in business concerns, if not downright hostile to them. One could add to this list the state’s extraordinarily high cost of living, with housing prices particularly onerous.”

The Bay Citizen. “Sometime next month, Raul Peña will give up his East Oakland home. Peña, a 40-year-old dishwasher, used a subprime loan from Countrywide Financial to buy his two-bedroom house for $359,000 in 2005. He is in the process of selling it in a short sale for just $100,000. Raul Peña wonders why Bank of America could not cut him a break since it will be losing hundreds of thousands of dollars on his sale anyway. ‘They could have given it to me at $100,000, and I’d be able to afford it,’ Peña said.”

From NPR. “Unintentional, accidental, reluctant, never-in-the-world-thought-they-would-be-a-landlord landlords. That’s the fate of many a homebuyer trying to sell these days. Paul Williams Williams, along with his wife and young daughters, rent a home in Rogers Park on Chicago’s far north side. A job change brought them to the area. They also own a two-bedroom bungalow in Oakland, Calif., that they bought at the height of the housing boom.”

“‘We bought it at just over $500,000,’ Williams says, ‘and the last appraisal was at $260,000.’”

“Once they heard that appraisal, Williams says, he and his wife decided not to sell but instead to rent their home to a friend of a friend.”

The North County Times. “Defaults in North San Diego County in October, compared with 12 months earlier, jumped by the highest percentage than in any month since late 2009, according to data from ForeclosureRadar. The sudden jump corresponded with declining house prices and a national trend of homeowners falling further behind on their mortgages.”

“‘Maybe people were holding on, hoping to see some recovery in prices, and now maybe giving up and not making their payments,’ said Bob Casagrand, a San Diego real estate agent.”

The Long Beach Post. “Foreclosures rose slightly in October, according to RealtyTrac’s U.S. Foreclosure Market Report. Long Beach and other affordable communities have been more foreclosure prone, and until the backlog of foreclosed, or about to be foreclosed on, homes gets cleared, it will be difficult for the local markets to begin a recovery, area real estate agents say.”

“‘It’s a lot of what many of us have been saying all along,’ said Jeremy Colonna, a broker with Colonna & Co. Realty in Belmont Shore. ‘Having the state and federal governments change the rules over and over again does nothing more than prolong the inevitable. Homeowners who are not paying their mortgages eventually get foreclosed upon.’”




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Comment by SV guy
2011-11-14 06:54:36

I washed dishes for a while many moons ago.

I don’t recall having any designs on purchasing a home while at that $ strata.

Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2011-11-14 07:13:47

The problem isn’t so much upfront capital costs or even a lifetime of monthly debt slavery, but the carrying costs. Our new water heater was pretty much right outta cash slush fund, no big deal for us, barely even blinked, but for Mr Dishwasher that water heater would be something like one months income. Imagine having to declare bankruptcy because a window was broken, or a shower valve needed replacement.

The other mistake in the article was describing it as “his East Oakland home” instead of “the bank’s East Oakland home”. It was never his home.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-11-14 08:06:24

‘I don’t recall having any designs on purchasing a home while at that $ strata’

The reason is the same for a dishwasher or a multi-millionaire. They expected the house to make them money.

Comment by jeff saturday
2011-11-14 09:32:47

“The reason is the same for a dishwasher or a multi-millionaire. They expected the house to make them money.”

Thank you.

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Comment by ahansen
2011-11-14 11:38:27

“…Peña, a 40-year-old dishwasher, used a subprime loan from Countrywide Financial to buy his two-bedroom house for $359,000 in 2005.”

AAAAGGGHHHH AAAGGGGGHHHHH! My head is about to explode…!

Comment by DennisN
2011-11-14 12:30:18

Let’s do the math. Presume he makes $12 an hour - a pretty good rate for a dishwasher. That’s $24,000 a year full time. So that purchase price of $359K is approximately 15 times his annual salary.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-11-14 17:41:58

But Dennis he is MeheKan….he works 80 90 hours a week, so with lots of OT…..he is pulling in $60K so its more like 6x salary…

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Comment by ahansen
2011-11-15 00:09:33

How do you know he’s Mexican, dj? Or maybe you’re just making racist assumptions again….

 
Comment by Posers
2011-11-15 06:04:23

The same kind of rascist assumptions that were made by government hacks at Fannie and Freddie perhaps?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2011-11-14 07:16:41

“One could add to this list the state’s extraordinarily high cost of living, with housing prices particularly onerous.”

A google recruiter was talking to me about a job that paid 50% more than I currently get. Sounds good so far… However, I’d need at least 150% more just to break even with what I currently have. Forget about it. Let me know when you open an office in a civilized area. Bye!

Comment by AmazingRuss
2011-11-14 10:01:09

You’ll pay 9.5% of that in state tax, too… Another 9% in sales tax, fat property tax on your overpriced house, etc….

Califirnia is for people that are already rich.

 
Comment by Overtaxed
2011-11-14 10:18:39

I had a job offer in CA that was going to roughly double my salary (I currently live in FL). I looked around quite a bit in the area and then decided, even with 2X the salary; there’s no way I could live as well in CA as I currently do in FL.

It’s just outlandishly expensive (this was the SF Bay area) out there. I have a 4000 SQ/ft boat anchor of a house on the Intercoastal with a dock in S. FL. That same house in a similar neighborhood in CA is absolutely unaffordable to me, even with 2X the salary, there’s not a chance in he(( I could afford it. I’m sure a bank would make the loan (or would have in 2007 when the job offer was presented), but.. No thank you..

FL was/is overpriced. Places like CA are just “looney bin” priced. There’s just not excuse for living there unless you bought 20 years ago or your a multi-millionaire. Everyone else stands to get a huge uplift in their standard of living by moving just about anywhere else.

Comment by ahansen
2011-11-14 11:45:19

Well, at least California is good for SOMEthing…

“…While students at other colleges cram into shoebox-size dorm rooms, Ms. Alarab, a management major, and Ms. Foster, who is studying applied math, come home from midterms to chill out under the stars in a curvaceous swimming pool and an adjoining Jacuzzi behind the rapidly depreciating McMansion that they have rented for a song…

Mr. Angus pays $3,000 a month, while student neighbors pay one-tenth of that. “I think they’re the luckiest students I’ve ever come across,” he said somewhat bitterly….”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/us/homework-and-jacuzzis-as-dorms-move-to-mcmansions-in-california.html?src=recg

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-14 12:07:34

I’ll bet their neighbors are in love with all the cars these kiddies bring with them. Not to mention the wild parties. That’s a real neighborhood treat.

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Comment by cactus
2011-11-14 12:32:03

One good thing about working in CA is it’s very hard for your employer to hire people because it so expensive therefore they become reluctant to lay off anyone who they already have who can do the job.

In AZ I was constanly told I was overpaid and could be replaced easily, Eventually I left. I told them I’m leaving because I don’t want to get laid off haha I don’t think they expected that and were really just trying to get me to grovel and work harder.

What really got to me was what it was doing to my co-workers , they knew I had sold in CA at the peak and was sitting on cash so didn’t worry about layoffs too much and it really bothered them. no fun to work with people like that Managment was turning them into Walmart workers fear fear fear. Reminded me of Aerospace in the 1990’s

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-14 13:09:56

In AZ I was constanly told I was overpaid and could be replaced easily, Eventually I left. I told them I’m leaving because I don’t want to get laid off haha I don’t think they expected that and were really just trying to get me to grovel and work harder.

Sorry to say it, cactus, but your experience is quite typical here. It’s one reason why I’ve avoided the AZ job market for lo these many years. Got tired of working like a dawg for peanuts and still having to put up with the same kind of abuse you did.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-14 07:20:28

What a scam CA is. It seems CA is the epicenter of retail reaItor lies, obfuscation and corruption.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-14 07:53:40

Population (Ranked 1st in the U.S.)
Total: 37,253,956

“The more you eat, the more you…” Woody Guthrie

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-11-14 08:04:43

I thought the City Journal piece was interesting because it looked at some things we’ve observed here. It appears that the bubble has been destructive to the states economy. While the public was hypnotized by the housing boom, innovation was going away, people were leaving. All of this masked by equity expenditures and lots of relatively lower paying, temporary jobs.

Why should anyone desire a return to this? California has lost a decade or more in the business sense. And IMO, much lower house prices would go a long way toward getting back on track.

Comment by WT Economist
2011-11-14 08:25:01

I’m willing to bet that if the same data were run nationally, it would show the same decrease in entreprenuerial activity as in California, adjusted for the fact that the dot.com boom and bust was concentrated in California.

And knowing the City Journal, it would not surprise me if they had that data and chose not to include it because it didn’t fit their ideological narrative.

We’ve been in a new world since 2000. The housing bubble and bust was a howl against the wind.

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Comment by GEG
2011-11-14 10:05:49

Praxis Startegy Group:

% of STEM job change (science technology engineering math) by state 2002-2010

CA: +1.7% (42nd lowest)

By comparison
TX: + 14.0%
WA: +15.8%
NV: + 16.5%
VA: + 18.6%
UT: + 19.8%

Notice this is since 2002, well after the .com bust.

I can tell you anecdotally CA is losing high income people. My wife’s aunt and uncle moved from the Bay area 5 years ago to Montana. Sold their house and had enough to buy with cash a pretty cool spread there as well as a ski condo in Bozeman (which they kindly share with family :). Seems like 1/2 my neighbors are from California having moved here over the past 5-10 years. My tenants right now moved from the state last year. These are all well paid, highly educated people. And they’re leaving. In their place are $7 an hour, unskilled, uneducated migrant workers. That’s not a recipe for long term success.

 
Comment by cactus
2011-11-14 12:37:09

These are all well paid, highly educated people. And they’re leaving. ”

are they retiring ? over 50 ?

 
Comment by GEG
2011-11-14 14:13:59

Aunt/Uncle are in their early 60s now and retired.

My tenants are late 20s.

My ex-CA neighbors in general, if I had to guess are early 40s to early 50s.

 
Comment by bastiat
2011-11-14 15:33:52

Sold near the peak, and moved out of CA a few years later. Took my 6 figure income and 7 figure net worth and won’t be coming back even though I was born and raised and lived there 30+ years. I get paid more, taxed less, weather is better (really!) and quality of life is orders of magnitude better where I’m at now. Turned 40 this year.

California is beyond insane. The fact that people are still ponying up to pay 600K on up to 1M+ for a half acre of dirt with no special views blows my mind. I think part of it is the concentration of population breeding a herd mentality that spawns that type of madness and delusional thinking.

Oh, I’m a math/software guy. Cali and the libs that killed it can KMA.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-14 16:16:55

Is there a breakdown of which of those % are S, T, E, M? Methinks there’s an H1B component they’re not telling us about.

 
Comment by GEG
2011-11-14 16:52:48

What does H1B have to do with anything? With regards to STEM, California is stagnant the rest of the country is growing.

There are 60K H1B visas issued every year. The US workforce is 140 million. It’s a drop.

 
 
Comment by barnaby33
2011-11-14 10:44:53

Funny that. For all everyone complains about California’s business climate, I ran a small business in college that was very easy to setup. In addition San Diego/ LA / Silicon Valley still have very vibrant IT and start-up spaces. Sure if you want to run a tanning vat, or make money on labor arbitrage (you know extracting wealth from slave labor) CA is not the place to do it. However it still has a lot going for it and if all it takes is some labor and tax reform with house price decreases to return it to the golden state, then it will happen. Now Florida, wow there is a state that needs A LOT of help!

Keep your 4k sq/ft boat anchor sir. I’ll keep my 700 sq/ft apartment. That along with weather that makes being outside a true joy, even in december.

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Comment by The_Overdog
2011-11-14 13:13:58

Florida has nicer beaches with warm blue water, and December is not the month CA bests Florida by, it’s July and August.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2011-11-14 12:35:43

I think my realtor just got laid off

Century 21 is folding him into prudential I think that means he’s on his way out and I think he knows it

never sent me any short sales to look at just regular sales

bye bye I don’t really want to buy anyway not yet

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Comment by oxide
2011-11-14 09:40:00

So houses are “affordable” based on their own definition of affordable.

Housing to buy is NOT affordable Where the Jobs Are. It just isn’t. Even in DC. But in DC, renting is even less affordable, especially if you don’t have a handy extended family, income-producing roommate, or Section 8 voucher.

Comment by cactus
2011-11-14 12:38:23

Housing to buy is NOT affordable Where the Jobs Are.”

good jobs yes you are right

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2011-11-14 07:56:24

“‘We bought it at just over $500,000,’ Williams says, ‘and the last appraisal was at $260,000.’”

“This train is bound for glory this train…” Woody Guthrie

“Are we there yet?” ;-)

Comment by Jim A
2011-11-14 08:05:37

That’s only 50% down.
House next door to me:
2-13-2006 $370,000
5-4-2011 $135,000.

–And it’s significantly nicer than my house which I paid $120,000 for in 1999. This is in College Park, an inside the beltway suburb of DC. But since I only owe ~$25,000, I’m happy with my purchase. Soon it will be paid for.

 
Comment by DennisN
2011-11-14 12:43:38

She flew the Stars and Stripes of the land of the free,
But tonight she’s in her grave at the bottom of the sea…

- Woody Guthrie

Comment by Jim A
2011-11-14 13:39:00

I had to use Google to confirm my suspicion that this was about the “Reuben James.”

 
 
 
Comment by Nancy
2011-11-14 09:25:17

But, according to a MSM account of the Anderson report, California real estate will DOUBLE in price by 2017! There was no explanation as to how this is going to happen in a state that is experiencing severe cash shortages due to reductions in tax revenue, record unemployment, an increase in homelessness, seniors selling canned goods from food banks to make a little cash, students with no job prospects moving home with mom and dad, and a massive amount of shadow real estate. But, in the end, all that really matters is getting the FBs to BELIEVE again…

Comment by oxide
2011-11-14 09:41:15

“It’s all about confidence” doncha know. They should fire any economist who says that.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-14 09:59:29

“Once again, NAR Chief Economist Yun took a pot shot at UCLA forecasters, calling their outlook for California overly optimistic. Two years ago, Yun called a UCLA Anderson Forecast ‘bubblish’ for predicting a 16 percent home price gain in Orange County in 2010. Now, he’s questioning a recent forecast stating that California home prices will rise 52.5 percent by 2017.”

You know a forecast sux when the NAR’s chief economist mocks it for being too rosy. And good on Yun for calling them on their failed 2010 OC forecast.

However, there is a puzzle here: If the NAR is criticizing the Anderson Forecast as overly optimistic, then who is driving the propaganda machine which encourages this kind of hopium?

Comment by Jim A
2011-11-14 10:31:06

Could be part of the plan to make the NAR’s rosy and optimistic predictions sound reasonable by comparison.

 
Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2011-11-14 10:59:36

Let’s follow the money.

You’re a builder, you need money to build projects.

You need lenders to lend you money.

You go to the lenders with the rosy UCLA forecast in hand and convince the lender to lend you money.

You the builder make money while building the project.

Since it’s just a forecast, UCLA is off the hook liability wise, and they receive a nice donation from the builders for their rosy forecast.

 
 
Comment by Overtaxed
2011-11-14 10:41:09

“California real estate will DOUBLE in price by 2017! There was no explanation as to how this is going to happen in a state that is experiencing severe cash shortages due to reductions in tax revenue, record unemployment, an increase in homelessness,”

The only way it can happen is for incomes to double. It’s SO simple, and yet, seems so hard for many Realtors to understand.

Comment by timmy
2011-11-14 11:20:49

Don’t forget that the CHINESE are going to arrive here by the BOATLOAD with suitcases FULL OF CASH to buy up all homes on the market.

Then, you will have to RENT from your Asian masters.

That is the plan (e.g. threat) from the NAR.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-11-14 11:36:38

I think they are doing it NOW, under the radar….bundle up 100,000 mortages by freddie fannie, and lets get some of our money back from them

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Comment by Robin
2011-11-14 23:37:53

Let them buy and rebuild Detroit. Where others make Chryslers that were once an American automobile company that was bailed out by US taxpayer dollars.

At least some jobs survived, and if bleeding occurs, it’s offshored.

 
 
Comment by GEG
2011-11-14 11:46:55

It’ not a threat, it’s pending legislation.

From WSJ:

“The provision is part of a larger package of immigration measures, co-authored by Sens. Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.) and Mike Lee (R., Utah), designed to spur more foreign investment in the U.S.

The proposed measure would offer visas to any foreigner making a cash investment of at least $500,000 on residential real-estate—a single-family house, condo or townhouse. Applicants can spend the entire amount on one house or spend as little as $250,000 on a residence and invest the rest in other residential real estate, which can be rented out.”

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Comment by cactus
2011-11-14 12:43:26

they will over pay then what ?

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-14 12:12:27

By the boatload… well maybe ONE boatload.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-14 12:54:55

Not all economic forecasters are quite so irrationally exuberant as the Anderson School folks are.

Where’s My Boom?
Economists Say Full Recovery Will Be Long in Coming
By Pamela McLaren

Anil Puri used baseball great Yogi Berra’s famous phrase “It ain’t over ’til it’s over” to kick off his annual economic forecast Oct. 27 before an audience of more than 800 business, community and university leaders.

Growth in jobs, housing and real GDP that had begun in late 2010 and earlier this year has since stalled, explained the dean of CSUF’s Mihaylo College of Business and Economics. “And I don’t have to talk to you about the stock market ….”

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-14 09:56:05

“Right now is actually an excellent time for first-time buyers to buy a home.”

There truly has never been a time when CAR did not make a similar recommendation.

Comment by timmy
2011-11-15 03:34:55

Yeah.. wouldn’t it be something… to open up the business section of your local newspaper (or news portal) & read:

“According to the NAR, now is the WORST possible time to buy a home”

(Ain’t gonna happen)

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-14 10:03:54

The Bay Citizen. “Sometime next month, Raul Peña will give up his East Oakland home. Peña, a 40-year-old dishwasher, used a subprime loan from Countrywide Financial to buy his two-bedroom house for $359,000 in 2005. He is in the process of selling it in a short sale for just $100,000. Raul Peña wonders why Bank of America could not cut him a break since it will be losing hundreds of thousands of dollars on his sale anyway. ‘They could have given it to me at $100,000, and I’d be able to afford it,’ Peña said.”

One of my cousins was in a similar situation. He’s a real estate agent in MN. And, wouldn’t ya know it, his investment house was in foreclosure.

So, Cuz told the bank it could have that stupid house back. He didn’t want it anymore.

Well, the bank didn’t want it either. So, it negotiated a much lower mortgage with my cousin, and he still has the house.

Comment by aNYCdj
2011-11-14 11:34:26

Dont ya know Slim

No one in Business ever ever apologizes to the serfs….never happens

And this is what BA would be admitting to……

How many people notice that you are in the running for a job, get the 2nd 3rd interview, someone else gets hired … then a month later the same job ad appears and HR will never call you back on their own… and if you leave a message they wont return your phone calls.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-14 12:09:23

In my field, I run up against the well-connected people whose design and/or photography portfolio can’t touch mine. Yet they get the jobs while I sit here, day after day, calling, calling, calling…

Comment by oxide
2011-11-14 16:19:58

Sounds like you’re connecting with the wrong crowd.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-14 10:14:56

“The default rate in North County reached 2.5 per 1,000 households in October, up 28 percent from October 2010 and 21.8 percent from September, according to ForeclosureRadar, a Northern California data firm.”

Is this the default rate per month, implying an annualized rate of 12*2.5 = 30 per 1,000 households (3%, or 1/33, per year)? Rate statistics with no clearly-stated time period are confusing.

 
Comment by Erik
2011-11-14 10:54:01

As far as NAR and all realtor scum go, they’ll always be full of crap to me as long as they persist in calling houses “homes”. Does anyone recall when they first started that particular fatuity? Of course it’s always a good time to buy a house. After all it’s an ill wind indeed that blows nobody any good and it’s a good time for THEM to have YOU buy a house, while in reality it has rarely been a good time for YOU ,for you to buy a house….

Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-11-14 11:12:41

Preach it, Erik! Real estate agents sell houses. Those who live in them make them homes.

Oh, and did I mention that you can also make a rental house/apartment/trailer space/boat slip/etc. your home too?

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2011-11-14 16:54:07

or even a van parked down by the river.

 
 
Comment by GEG
2011-11-14 11:50:40

Calling a house a home is not a NAR exclusive practice. It’s a marketing gimmick used by everyone.

It’s called Home Depot and not House Depot for a reason.

 
Comment by oxide
2011-11-14 12:18:49

They’ve called them “homes” forever. But they really needed that phrase during the bubble, to cover non-house homes like condos, rowhouses, stacked townhomes, patio homes, ranch condos, and other assorted shared-wall attached bubble product.

I’ve seen real estate shows where they use “home” so much that you don’t even know if the place is a SFH or a condo/rowhouse until the end of the segment, if at all.

 
 
Comment by Sam
2011-11-14 13:18:30

“But between 2000 and 2008, as Chart 3 indicates, California’s two big metro areas produced fewer than 70,000 new jobs—a nearly 95 percent drop and a mere 6 percent of job creation in the state. Not only did California in the 2000s suffer anemic job growth; the new jobs paid substantially less than before.”

All of my unemployed friends here in Silicon Valley have advanced degrees in Science and Engineering. It makes me sick when I hear the policiticans (Prez) and 60 Minutes claim that we need to educate more engineers and scientists…there are not any jobs for those already “educated” in these fields! It is just one more way of kicking the can down the road because it will be 12 or 15 years before these newly minted engineers and scientists find out that their skills are not quite what the HR gatekeepers are screening for.

Comment by oxide
2011-11-14 16:21:35

The politicians would pay attention if students could discharge their loans in bankruptcy.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2011-11-14 13:32:06

Here’s a quote from PIMCO.

“If you can borrow, housing is so cheap, but if you can’t borrow it’s infinitely expensive,”

Read more: http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20111114/REAL_ESTATE/111119948#ixzz1diIqror9

How about this: if the person you are selling to can borrow, you can sell at a price that’s expensive, but if they can’t you have to sell for a price that’s infinately cheap.

My central city neighborhood was redlined until the early 1980s. Housing prices were what people could afford to pay in cash. Many old folks dying off just willed their homes to the local parrish, which sold them to parishioners who rented them out. Others just turned over the homes to their children, many of whom still live in the neighborhood.

The neighborhood stayed stable because enough people wanted to live there; low prices made Catholic school affordable. So if housing prices in some suburban and Sunbelt neighborhoods end up falling to the cash price, it wouldn’t be the first time this happened to a huge area of the U.S. It happend to urban America in the 1970s.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-14 21:05:13

“So if housing prices in some suburban and Sunbelt neighborhoods end up falling to the cash price, it wouldn’t be the first time this happened to a huge area of the U.S. It happend to urban America in the 1970s.”

I’m guessing it was not part of the federal government’s playbook back then to prop up housing prices?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-11-14 13:37:33

‘Having the state and federal governments change the rules over and over again does nothing more than prolong the inevitable.’

+1000

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-11-14 19:27:28

I want to punch (fun)Yun right in the head the second he opens his mouth.

 
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