December 2, 2011

The B-Word Being Heard Halfway Around The World

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “More than 200 acres of land on Port Washington’s south side once owned by Brookfield developer Vincent Kuttemperoor has been taken over by Waukesha State Bank, which is marketing the property. The property made up a significant portion of what was once Kuttemperoor’s dream of a massive, high-end subdivision that would have ultimately spanned roughly 800 acres and redefined Port Washington — a dream that now seems dead. ‘A lot of it was probably used as collateral for other projects, especially the Florida development,’ Randy Tetzlaff, the city’s director of planning and development, said, referring to Kuttemperoor’s ill-fated Treviso Bay subdivision in Naples, Fla.”

“‘If VK came in today, the vision would be different,’ Tetzlaff said. ‘There’s no market for the large houses he envisioned.’”

“Housing Works has completed the purchase of 19 foreclosed Redmond townhomes, using federal neighborhood stabilization funding, Executive Director Cyndy Cook announced. Redmond City Manager David Brandt said, ‘The key objective was to revitalize a neighborhood that had quite frankly grown too fast in the boom years and had been left to ruin in the succeeding bust years.’”

“Local Realtor Carol Engler believes the Yuma-area housing market is over the worst of the real estate crash and prices will start to rebound. ‘People talk about dropping prices, but they’re comparing them to 2005 to 2007.’ Engler said. However, today’s prices are in line with what they were earlier in the decade before the real estate bubble, she said. ‘The years 2005 to 2007 were the anomaly … the exception, not the rule.’”

“Many Arizona homeowners underwater with their mortgages are anxiously awaiting more information on how they can lower their interest rates and payments through the expansion of the government’s Housing Affordable Refinance Program. Phoenix-area homeowner Marla Griggs knows she’s not eligible for the refinancing program but is coming up on the end of the five-year point of her option-adjustable mortgage. The loan is not owned by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, and she wants to know her options for keeping her home by refinancing and lowering her payment.”

“‘Many people are not eligible for this program. Why can’t it be applied to all mortgages?’ she asks.”

“Out of work for nearly two years, possibly on the verge of losing his home to foreclosure, Clay McRae walked in the front door of the nonprofit early Monday in pursuit of help, something a surprisingly large number of Nevadans have failed to do this past year. The 57-year-old native of Canada doesn’t want to walk away from the North Las Vegas home he bought in 2009 for $125,000, even though it’s worth just $70,000 today. ‘I’m just here to see if somebody can help me save my house until I find a job,’ he says.”

“At least half of all Nevadans qualify for ’some sort of program,’ notes Consumer Credit Counseling President Michelle Johnson. ‘It’s really a case of the homeowner self-eliminating themselves from applying,’ she says. ‘Then again, maybe I’m kidding myself.’”

“Britain’s venerable magazine The Economist says Canada is one of nine countries in the world where housing is overvalued by 25 per cent or more right now — and among four where prices are in line with those in the U.S. ‘at the peak of its bubble.’ The others are France, Australia and Belgium, it says under a headline that claims ‘the bursting of the global economic bubble is only halfway through.’”

“The Economist notes that much of the world’s economic woes can be traced back to years of unprecedented growth in house prices in countries such as the United States and Ireland, culminating with ‘the bursting of the biggest bubble in history.’ It’s the B-word being heard halfway around the world.”

“Real estate watcher Ben Myers of Toronto’s Urbanation called The Economist’s methodology ‘flawed,’ saying it’s too simplistic to properly assess the health of a market as regionally varied as Canada’s. It also doesn’t take into account how the strength of our banking sector has made Canada a safe haven for investors looking to buy up hard assets like real estate. It’s estimated that some 45 to 60 per cent of the 43,000 condos now under construction across the GTA have been pre-purchased by investors, most of whom intend to hold and rent them out.”

“The sale of the remaining units at the $170 million Muskoka Wharf redevelopment is the first major property auction in the Toronto area since the real estate downturn of the 1990s. Bids for the studio, one-bedroom and two-bedroom units with kitchens — which are rented out to hotel guests when owners aren’t using them the maximum 35 days a year — are starting at $85,000 and estimated to be worth up to $375,000.”

“The problem, says Muskoka-area realtor Anita Latner, is that hotel-condo units — while commonplace in western ski resorts like Whistler — are a relatively new beast in cottage country. Potential buyers want a place where they can swim whenever they want, even if these hotel-condos are an affordable alternative to $500,000 starter cottages in what she calls an area of ‘the haves and have mores.’ ‘No one expects a unit there to go for (just) $85,000,’ she says, ‘but we all know when you put on a red dress, you’re going to get a lot of attention.’”

“A boarded up home on Miriam Lane is one of the latest casualties in a brutal economy that has taken its toll on homeowners across metro Atlanta. Commissioners are considering a measure that would lengthen the time it would take for lenders to foreclose on properties and evict families from their houses. Melodie Moss owns a home across the street from the boarded house on Miriam Lane. Moss worries that homes like that, lost to foreclosure, could erode the rest of her neighborhood with it. ‘It takes down our property value first of all, and therefore it makes us upside down in our property,’ Moss said.”

“The little blue house that sits on the west side of the 3200 block of Woodward SW in Wyoming is a symbol of what’s happened in many neighborhoods during the foreclosure crisis. Surrounded by rows of small, well-kept homes and apartment buildings, the home has shredded pieces of tarp covering portions of the roof and plywood covering the windows.”

“Michael Dannah’s put up with it. ‘It’s an eyesore. Look at it,’ Dannah said. ‘It looks like something a witch would live in. I mean, can you imagine the value of the houses around here? They’re just dropping.’”

“‘We all work through the week, so this is what we do on the weekend,’ Monique White explained for news cameras capturing a Sunday barbeque event for about 100 Occupy Minnesota protesters and neighborhood friends.”

“Various protesters point out that many mortgages are for much more than homes are worth in today’s deflated market. They reason that the banks should at least recalculate to take that into account. For example, White’s purchase price in 2003 was $127,000, her taxable value according to city records is $84,500, and a similar house nearby recently sold for $85,000. Brad German of Freddie Mac said White turned down an offer of ‘cash for keys’ in which she would be paid to vacate.”

“Rosemary Williams, who lost her home in a similar situation, said, ‘They took my home but not my dignity.’ She has traveled even to Europe talking about this cause.”

“‘Now that occupying random city parks has not gained much traction, we’ve decided to play what we want,’ was how Jack FM, the faux independent radio station put it Wednesday night. It’s a twist on the station’s signature line, pokes fun at the Occupy movement, and also plays into the ennui over the economy, as if nothing serious will get done so let’s get back to listening to familiar Cars songs.”

“Likewise, Internet comments the day after protesters were forcibly removed from L.A. City Hall’s south lawn evoked a similar cynical tone. ‘I have no idea what is being achieved with this,’ wrote one poster. When Occupy L.A. organizer Mario Brito explained how the movement would switch focus to helping homeowners who’ve lost their homes to foreclosure and holding sit-ins at banks, one commenter wrote: ‘Sounds like a classic case of good luck.’”

“Yamilet Valladolid, who runs the El Concilio Council for the Spanish Speaking in Modesto, is convinced the mortgage industry took particular advantage of Latinos. During the housing boom, Valladolid was a Bank of America assistant manager, where she worked with many prospective Latino borrowers who wanted to buy or refinance homes. ‘I remember so many clients being mad at me,’ Valladolid said about her time at BofA. ‘Borrowers didn’t like to hear that they only qualified for a $100,000 mortgage based on their income. They would tell me, ‘Well, Juan next door says he can get me $300,000.’ So they would go to him.’”

“Price deflation in the California housing market continues. And nobody seems to know where the floor is, at least in the Case-Shiller cities. In fact, it’s not even clear that a floor there would have any meaning. Prices could plunge right through it, then enter the basement before piercing the Earth’s crust, then the mantle, then the core. ”

“After that, they will enter the eighth of ninth circles of the underworld (see Dante’s Inferno), where they will be bathed in fire. Seriously, given the magnitude of the downturn, there are days when you really do think that housing prices in California, away from the coast, could drop to zero.”




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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-12-02 05:42:56

“Real estate watcher Ben Myers of Toronto’s Urbanation called The Economist’s methodology ‘flawed,’ saying it’s too simplistic to properly assess the health of a market as regionally varied as Canada’s. It also doesn’t take into account how the strength of our banking sector has made Canada a safe haven for investors looking to buy up hard assets like real estate. It’s estimated that some 45 to 60 per cent of the 43,000 condos now under construction across the GTA have been pre-purchased by investors, most of whom intend to hold and rent them out.”

It’s different there in Canada, eh?

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-12-02 07:20:36

Yes it is.

They are more indebted than their cousins in the US.

Their housing is a higher multiple of earnings than the US was before our bust.

They are immune!

Comment by rms
2011-12-02 07:57:26

Haven’t you heard? Canada is running out of land.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-12-02 23:59:39

Perhaps if you exclude the tundra.

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Comment by polly
2011-12-02 12:15:53

“higher multiple of earnings”

Important, but a small adjustment (certainly not all, but some) can be made for not having to pay individual insurance premiums or having the risk of becoming medically indigent.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-12-02 15:30:35

Yes, but that adjustment should be relatively constant over time. In other words, it can’t explain how far out of whack their multiples are, at least as long as they have not always been that far out of whack.

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Comment by Dave of the North
2011-12-02 09:58:24

But regional variation doesn’t invalidate what the Economist is saying, it just some areas are much more bubbilicious than others - e.g. Vancouver, Regina etc. Meanwhile in Saint John area (100,000 pop) it’s very slow, lots of places for sale and not much moving.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-12-02 10:52:25

It’s estimated that some 45 to 60 per cent of the 43,000 condos now under construction across the GTA have been pre-purchased by investors, most of whom intend to hold and rent them out.

Methinks that some of their neighbors won’t be too happy. People buy condos so that they can live among other owners. They’re not interested in dealing with renters.

Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-12-02 14:22:36

When a friend of mine’s apartment building went condo, it was the condo owners who were the lowlifes. She had lived there for 10 years. Some people had lived there for 30. They were all middle-class people who worked for the local colleges. The people who owned it inherited it from their parents and managed it themselves; they lived down the street and had a lot of pride in their property. They were in their 80s and had to retire. They sold to an investor who said he would work with the renters to purchase the property. Instead he sold each unit for 100% over what he paid for it–pricing out all of the tenants.

Many of the new owners were absentee landlords; one rented to drug dealers. One owner couldn’t be bothered to close her garbage and they got mice. The so-called property management team, who couldn’t speak English, tore up flowers that had been coming up for 20 years thinking they were weeds.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-12-02 05:45:16

Phoenix-area homeowner Marla Griggs knows she’s not eligible for the refinancing program but is coming up on the end of the five-year point of her option-adjustable mortgage.

GTFO of the house, Marla.

I finally asked somebody in the know the Oxide signature question: “Refinance into what?” If the howmuchamonth was already so low, what rate could they possibly refinance into that was any lower? She answered that a lot of people never actually qualified for those super low rates — they borrowed at 6% or so. So yes, even though rates were historicaly a lot of people are trying to refinance from 6% to 3.8% rate. Our conversation moved on from there, but the question remains: If they couldn’t qualify for the super-low rate in 2006, how would they qualify for one now?

For reference, for a $190K mortgage, 6.0 –> 3.8 refi pencils in a $250/month savings, before fees. It’s a nice cushion, but it is enough to save a home? IMO, borderline…

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-12-02 06:31:51

Howmuchamonth?

The one word theology of the FreeShitArmy. Engineered by the Government/Corporate Crime Syndicate.

Comment by oxide
2011-12-02 07:40:12

Admittedly, I’m starting to think in terms of howmuchamonth too. Don’t blame me, I learned it from my landlords.

 
 
Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-12-02 08:02:19

Agree Oxide. I wonder if many of these people could have afforded the properties even at pre-bubble prices so that the problem isn’t just that they paid too much, but could not have afforded the property under any circumstances.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-12-02 09:10:58

oxide and proper
If that article I posted yesterday about the hedge funds and such buying the REO’s in bulk at steep discounts as rentals, you’re thinking of howmuchamonth might have merit. At least your in control over the residence.

 
 
 
Comment by JingleMale
2011-12-02 05:51:05

Wow, I keep thinking housing has bottomed, then some beat up foreclosure takes the price down another 2-3%. The Sacramento foothijlls actually have a shortage of rental inventory, so strangely rents are rising whileto sale prices are still very soft….yet every house for sale gets multiple offers if it is priced properly. Very unique times.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-12-02 06:41:22

‘every house for sale gets multiple offers if it is priced properly’

I see this a lot in AZ. The problem is the ‘priced properly’ thing. Properly to do what? Get people to think they are getting a deal? IMO, anytime there are multiple offers it isn’t a distressed sale. And if it isn’t distressed in this market, the price is too high.

I was talking to a UHS in Tucson a few weeks ago. He was telling me about certain zip codes where 45% of the houses were selling each month, and 60% were foreclosures and another 10% were short sales. Then he mentioned that at any time his office had 150 houses ready to list that the lenders were holding off the MLS so they don’t “flood the market” in his words.

‘every house for sale gets multiple offers…then some beat up foreclosure takes the price down another 2-3%’

Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-12-02 07:48:53

Same thing happens here. Because prices were so ridiculous, if they come down even a tad, there will be a bidding war. A colleague’s children want to buy a home in the town where they grew up (Belmont, MA). They can’t. If anything affordable comes onto the market, there is a bidding war and they are priced out. They’ve been looking for years.

Comment by Awaiting
2011-12-02 09:22:22

Ben & Proper
As active buyers in So Ca we see this pricing game a lot, and the withholding of properties.
I’ll say one thing, with all of the govt failures, they’ve done a good job of this controlled collapse (for now, anyway).

Hey Ben,
Do you think the hedge funds will really buy in bulk and rent all the REO properties out?
http://lowes.inman.com/newsletter/2011/11/30/news/164224

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Comment by Ben Jones
2011-12-02 09:43:37

The various entities holding REOs have been selling in bulk for years, especially the FDIC. It should be noted that currently, owner occupants have first chance at HUD, and GSE REOs. If they don’t accept an offer, then it goes into the investor pool.

From the article:

‘Will all this cut down on future commissions for some brokers who now sell government REOs? No question.’

The UHS have a role in the process of restricting supply right now, so change might be good. But I seriously doubt these groups are going to rent out single family houses. The management headache would be large. Ultimately, whatever happens will drive down prices, and IMO that’s the important issue.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2011-12-02 10:24:00

Ben,
Thanks for the reply. I was thinking about the property management headaches myself, but with some form of sec 8 enticement, who knows, it could cover that nut (built in fees).
Salaries dictate housing affordability so you’re right, always pay attention to the fundamentals. The rest is noise.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-12-02 09:26:59

Ditto for DC. The quality properties are bid up, but there are some real stinkers that sit there for months. It’s not as if we just need to wait a year and suddenly a great selection will open up at 3x income pricing. It won’t. The market is sticky, messy, and ragged.

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Comment by Awaiting
2011-12-02 10:26:25

oxide
You’ve nailed it…”The market is sticky, messy, and rigged.”

 
Comment by oxide
2011-12-02 11:53:00

Rigged is a good work, but I did mean “ragged” too, as in, there’s no clean-cut consistency between house quality and price or house location and price, or incomes and price, or school districts and price. A good half of the listings on Zillow are not seriously meant to be lived in by regular folks — it’s all bail-out prices or fixers.

It’s what HBB Carrie said last week: house prices are not reflecting incomes, they reflect available credit. That’s so true, especially if you include refis. I’ll look at house pic, then look at the listing price, and think to myself: “There’s an Escalade in there somewhere.”

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2011-12-02 10:58:04

In my neighborhood, a house recently went on the market. The family lives next to some friends of mine, and trust me, my friends are not sorry to see these people go. To put it politely, they were real pieces of work.

To celebrate their departure from our nabe, the pieces of work threw one heckuva party. It was loud enough to disturb the neighbors.

Although my friends didn’t call the police, someone else did. The police put a bright orange tag on the front of the house, which signifies that an unruly gathering took place there. Tag has to stay up for six months, there’s a fine associated with it, and if they have another party within six months, oh, boy are they going to be fined up the wazoo.

My friends next door are now doubting that the house will sell anytime soon.

Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-12-02 14:36:04

A friend of mine lived in Portsmouth, NH for a while. There was one business that attracted the type of lowlife you mentioned. It finally got sold and the townspeople figured anything would be an improvement. A tattoo parlor took its place.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-12-03 00:03:21

“…45% of the houses were selling each month, and 60% were foreclosures and another 10% were short sales.”

I assume this means 45% of houses up for sale (e.g. not including homes held off the market in shadow inventory)?

 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-12-02 06:28:20

The 57-year-old native of Canada doesn’t want to walk away from the North Las Vegas home he bought in 2009 for $125,000, even though it’s worth just $70,000 today. ‘I’m just here to see if somebody can help me save my house until I find a job,’ he says.”

Wow…. just wow.

In 2009 the Lying ReaItor Crime Syndicate was howling “bargains abound, ‘take advantage’ of the tax credit, you cannot lose”. This stupid bastard believed them and lost 45%.

One do you have to say for yourselves you Lying ReaItors?

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-12-02 06:34:52

I thought about that too. And down the road it’ll be 2010, 11, 12, etc, purchases that will default. Meanwhile there are probably thousands of Vegas houses being held off the market so people like this don’t realize the reality of the situation.

Way to go govt/media. One more FB thrown on the pile. How does that help the economy?

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-12-02 06:39:27

It makes one wonder what the motive is for holding back the inventory. We’ve presumed it’s done to keep prices grossly inflated but obviously it’s not working. Not in VayGus anyways.

 
Comment by combotechie
2011-12-02 06:49:14

“How does that help the economy?”

It transforms a sudden crash into a prolonged decline.

The economy cannot endure a sudden crash but it can endure a prolonged decline.

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-12-02 06:56:53

‘The economy cannot endure a sudden crash’

You’re missing my point. Here we have another person with ruined credit, messed up personal balance sheet. Another house that will come on the market, another bad loan. This all deepens the recession. What your suggesting is that a little short term economic relief is preferable to greater long run stress.

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Comment by combotechie
2011-12-02 07:05:41

My point was made by your statement: “And down the road it will be 2010, 11, 12 etc, purchases that will default.”

This is a true statement, and the most important part of this true statement is the “down the road” part.

“Down the road” means not now, not all at once. The economy can’t handle “all at once”, but it can handle a little at a time. And that’s what the PTB wants - is hoping for - a correction to happen a little at a time rather than all at once.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2011-12-02 07:21:23

How many times have we seen this type of policy? The tax credits, the ongoing GSE caps for high cost, the FDIC failure to enforce solvency regulation. Every time we get ‘down the road’, we’re given frightening scenarios to explain why why we have to keep sticking our head in the bandsaw.

Whatever is happening with house foreclosures and prices is happening. Covering it up and giving people tax credits to pay too much doesn’t change that.

‘The economy can’t handle all at once’. I realize that sounds soothing to the masses, but I’ve never seen any facts to back it up. Let’s ask the Japanese what they think of kicking the can down the road.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-12-02 07:29:37

One by one is personal irresponsibility and sacrificial lambs.

All at once is irresponsible leadership and a lynching.

“And we’ll all go together
To pull wild mountain thyme
From around the blooming heather
Will ye go lassie go….”

 
Comment by oxide
2011-12-02 11:59:06

+1 Blue. Like laying people off quietly. ANYthing to avoid getting on the news.

If it weren’t for that little EBT card, we’d have millions in bread lines. That doesn’t make for good PR.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-12-03 00:05:19

“One more FB thrown on the pile. How does that help the economy?”

I can’t help but hope that lots of these are the all-cash foreign investors, soon to realize they caught themselves falling knives.

 
 
 
Comment by Seen it all
2011-12-02 09:05:28

Great blog entry today, Ben!

i love the smattering of stories from disparate locations. Highly entertaining, always informative!

Comment by ProperBostonian
2011-12-02 14:38:03

Yes, thanks Ben. I always like the Friday Desk Clearing edition.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2011-12-02 13:11:45

‘I remember so many clients being mad at me,’ Valladolid said about her time at BofA. ‘Borrowers didn’t like to hear that they only qualified for a $100,000 mortgage based on their income. They would tell me, ‘Well, Juan next door says he can get me $300,000.’ So they would go to him.’”

They were given clear warning — by BoA, no less — that they didn’t qualify for those mortgages. So they went to their brother to get things fixed up. Sorry, this doesn’t count as “being taken advantage of.”

Comment by Robin
2011-12-02 18:42:48

First time I’ve heard of an intelligent, caring, forward-thing BofA employee. She should have cloned herself - :)

Comment by Robin
2011-12-02 18:44:02

thing=thinking. Forgive me, it’s Friday, Friday, Friday, Oh!

 
 
 
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