Living In A Dream World
The Desert Sun reports from California. “California’s middle class has been pinched harder by the Great Recession than workers in the rest of the country. By last year, less than half of families in the state, 47.9 percent, were earning middle-class incomes, between $44,000 and $155,000 annually. In 1980, nearly two-thirds of California families, 60 percent, were firmly middle-class. Palm Springs resident Shelly Saunders’ is one middle-class worker who fell from one bracket to another. Pre-bust, she and her husband owned a construction business, feeding the nearly insatiable demand for new houses.”
“They were earning $20,000 a month, living in their dream home, about to send two kids to college. When the housing bubble burst, they lost the business, the house and their marriage. ‘We were living in a dream world,’ said 55-year-old Saunders.”
“Once considering retirement at age 50, she’s working at Palm Desert Door and Hardware, making $45,000 a year, renting a two-bedroom condo. The kids are close to graduation after putting themselves through school with part-time jobs and student loans. Saunders says the fall from upper middle class to lower middle class has shaken her and her similarly situated friends.”
“‘When we went out to dinner before, it was nothing for someone to pick up the tab,’ Saunders said. ‘Nobody’s picking up the tabs anymore. We’re all scared. Our golden years are gone, baby.’”
The Mercury News. “Gayla Newsome was never part of the elite ‘1 percent,’ but she thought she was doing pretty well for herself, with a good job as the executive director of a nonprofit organization and a home in West Oakland she bought 15 years ago. But in July, she lost that Adeline Street property and for the past several months has been trying to reclaim it. ‘I’m a resident who has decided I’m not going to take this anymore,’ said Newsome, who said she fell behind on a secondary mortgage after she lost her job, sent her two oldest daughters to college and was without work from 2007 to 2009.”
“Newsome joined dozens of others in Oakland on Tuesday for rallies and marches as part of ‘Occupy Our Homes’ day. Similar actions were held in Oakley and other cities throughout the nation as the Occupy movement turned its attention to the foreclosure crisis.”
“Linda Loston said she and her husband, Jerome, sold their home in Hercules and put down a $250,000 payment on a retirement property in Alamo. It took a month before the Lostons realized the bank loan was not what they thought. Their interest rate and principle immediately began to increase instead of decreasing with their payment. Their bank broker told them to ‘ride it out,’ Jerome Loston said. ‘Our story is just one of many,’ he said.”
The San Gabriel Valley News. “Dennis F. Paulaha, who holds a Ph.D in economics from the University of Washington in Seattle, has a plan. It’s a sweeping strategy he says will put more Americans in homes, create more jobs and eliminate the federal debt. The core of Paulaha’s ‘trickle up’ plan would allow the government to offer every U.S. citizen a 30-year mortgage at a 1 percent fixed rate of interest, with interest-only payments for the first two years. That would allow every financially qualified person - not just those in immediate danger of default - to finance a new or existing home, with a $500,000 lifetime limit.”
“‘Instead of a bailout for the banks, this would be a bailout for mortgage holders,’ he said. ‘I haven’t been able to get very far with anyone in Washington. I’ve sent out emails and faxes … and gotten nothing. We’re living in a time when I’m not sure anyone is looking for ideas.’”
“James Joseph, owner of Century 21 Ambassador and Coldwell Banker Ambassador in Whittier, is firmly behind Paulaha’s plan. ‘America has a long history of using the tax code and the American system to help people get in and stay in their homes,’ he said. ‘This is an idea that’s as old as ‘It’s a Wonderful Life.’ This would be good for the country and good for the economy. This is the best idea I’ve heard.’”
“Marty Rodriguez, one of the nation’s top Realtors for Century 21, had a polar opposite view. ‘I think it’s ludicrous,’ said Rodriguez, who owns her own real estate agency in Glendora. ‘We’ve already got people in homes that haven’t made payments in two or three years. So let’s give them more money at 1 percent interest … I’m sorry but I’m just not buying into this. This isn’t what America is made of.’”
“Rodriguez said banks already handed out stated-income loans to people who could ill afford the homes they signed on to buy. ‘We’ve already done this once and you saw what happened,’ she said. ‘People who bought these homes thought they wouldn’t have to go to work and would get everything for free.’”
“When work began on the Grove Station development in eastern downtown in 2007, city leaders envisioned a mini-community where young families, entrepreneurs and retirees could live and work. But hopes were nearly dashed when the housing bubble burst and the project fell into bankruptcy. Later, it was discovered that the sewer system had not been properly installed, causing further delays.”
“Now, more than four years after the project’s groundbreaking, a significantly smaller Grove Station is nearly finished. Most of the residential units will be sold at market rate, but the city’s redevelopment agency has purchased four of them for use as affordable housing. The affordable units, which are being offered for $243,000, have two bedrooms, a den, two bathrooms and an attached two-car garage.”
“Despite these requirements and several others that can be found in the application packet, Mayor Curt Morris said ‘a huge number of people’ have added their names to interest lists. But many of those people signed up for the homes nearly a year ago, so the city is once again advertising the homes and reaching out to those who have previously expressed interest. ‘The recession really hit a lot of people,’ said Diana Kasuyama, housing programs manager for San Dimas. ‘Some of those people who were on the list have changed their plans.’”
The Sacramento Bee. “With sales of new homes near historic lows, Sacramento builders remain in survival mode, but a few say they expect to see demand slowly pick up next year. Sacramento’s five-year housing bust has toppled some of the biggest names in the industry – firms that were once a backbone of the region’s economy. According to DataQuick, builders in the Sacramento area sold just 2,363 new homes in 2010, an 85 percent decline from the 16,000 homes a year the industry produced during the 2004-2006 boom years.”
“Sacramento’s 2010 new-home sales figures are probably the lowest for the region since the early 1950s, said Greg Paquin, a Folsom-based housing industry consultant. ‘I don’t think things will get worse than last year,’ he said.”
The Victorville Daily Press. “Although the San Bernardino County population is growing at a faster rate than the rest of the state, local growth remains much more subdued than before the recession. However, the growth comes primarily from a natural increase — a higher number of births than deaths — rather than people moving to the state. ‘Traditionally, a good portion of California’s growth had been coming from immigration,’ Chief Economist John Husing of the Inland Empire Economic Partnership said. ‘What happened was the recession. People are pretty much staying wherever they are.’”
“San Bernardino and Riverside counties are seeing about one-tenth of the growth the Inland Empire saw during the boom years of the last decade, according to Husing. He said the Inland Empire had previously prospered because of the rapid population growth that brought in more income and consumers.”
“‘What has stopped is exactly that,’ Husing said, adding that it’s partly a result of the housing market collapse. ‘A lot of people can afford to buy a house, but they don’t because they are simply afraid to move. … Essentially, we are in a period of pause.’”
“But Husing remains positive, though he said the growth won’t happen anytime soon. ‘Once the housing crisis is over and fear has been removed from the marketplace, we will see people moving to places like the High Desert,’ he said. ‘They’ll come back because of the affordable housing.’”
The Santa Maria Times. “There used to be a saying in certain regions of the state, and it went something like this: Welcome to California. Now, go home. The phrase was so popular, someone put it on a bumper sticker. Rather unfriendly, but somehow amusing.”
“Not so much anymore. California is in the midst of redefining itself, based on changing demographics. The 2010 census revealed that the previous decade was the first 10-year period in more than a century during which the majority of Californians were actually born here.”
“We still have that climate, and the beaches, and the mountains. What’s becoming increasingly scarce are good jobs and affordable housing — a reality not lost on tens of thousands of Californians who have flown the coop in the past decade. Since 2005, more residents have left California than arrived here from other states.”
From CBS News. “As a freelance photographer Duane Conder knows his way around a camera. That’s come in handy now that he’s selling a lot of what he owns on eBay. He’s getting ready to move. Duane and his family have lived in their home near San Diego for 11 years. ‘It was like someone turned off a spigot. Where did the work go? It was like literally you woke up one day - and there was no work,’ Duane said.”
“The dot-com boom drew them from Texas to California, and now the prolonged job bust is forcing them out. California’s unemployment rate is 11.7 percent. Duane can’t find work and last week the bank foreclosed on his family’s home. ‘I feel like it’s the land we need to get out of very fast,’ Duane said of California.”
“The Conders are moving back to Texas where unemployment is lower, at 8.4 percent. In 2010, Texas gained nearly 75,000 new residents, while California lost nearly 130,000. The biggest state to state shift in the country was people leaving the Golden State and heading to the Lone Star state. Jobs are just one reason for the migration. Housing is another. A somewhat typical 3-bedroom home in Los Angeles just sold for more than $1 million, yet in a suburb of Austin, Texas, a somewhat typical 4-bedroom home sold for $380,000. The people who bought it moved from California.”
“Bill Gaiennie moved his family and his computer consulting business from California to Austin. They traded in a 1-bedroom apartment for their 4-bedroom home. ‘If we would have stayed in California, in order for us to make it in an area where we would want to live, we would need to be a two income family,’ Bill said. With the lower cost of living and no personal income tax in Texas, Bill’s wife Jessica now stays home with their daughter. ‘We go to gym we go to swimming lessons we do it all and if we lived in California we couldn’t do that,’ Jessica said.”
“Dennis F. Paulaha, who holds a Ph.D in economics from the University of Washington in Seattle, has a plan. It’s a sweeping strategy he says will put more Americans in homes, create more jobs and eliminate the federal debt. The core of Paulaha’s ‘trickle up’ plan would allow the government to offer every U.S. citizen a 30-year mortgage at a 1 percent fixed rate of interest, with interest-only payments for the first two years.”
So basically, you rip off the cities to subsidize the suburbs. Young people can have housing, but only if they buy it from Generation Greed.
I have a better plan. The federal government gives everyone $500,000. But if they are in debt, the money goes to pay off the debts. If they are not in debt, they can keep it and spend it on what they want. It floats 100-year zero coupon bonds paying no interest, and the Fed pays for it all by printing money. In the end, both the existing and created debt would be wiped out by hyper-inflation.
It’s the same plan, except the benefits would be more widely shared, like the costs. Ahhh, that’s the problem.
This shows what we’ve come to. Let’s wipe out all the savings in the country, debase the currency to where it may be worth nothing, all so we can get out of a recession. No mention of rebuilding the economy, or a sustainable job base. I suppose this is what happens when the govt starts handing out trillions of dollars. Everybody wants in on the act.
Look at the Occupy people; bankers got free money - we want some too. Two wrongs make a right, so why not have 100 million wrongs - even better!
And then everyone sits around and wonders why this country is going to sh#t.
So the middle class is SOL while the banksters get away scot free? All because you don’t want the government to commit another “wrong?” That’s like stopping the game in the middle of the ninth inning.
Um…you have to read the next paragraph:
“‘Instead of a bailout for the banks, this would be a bailout for mortgage holders,’ he said. ‘I haven’t been able to get very far with anyone in Washington. I’ve sent out emails and faxes … and gotten nothing. We’re living in a time when I’m not sure anyone is looking for ideas.’”
No one is taking him seriously. He can’t even get standard “thank you for your letter” letters, probably because people are worried that their standard be nice to the letter writer language could be quoted out of context. A pre-school child who sends in a drawing, gets treated better than this guy.
I don’t want to “bail out” ANYbody, and I rather imagine that neither do most of my countrymen.
Paulaha’s plan is getting no traction because it’s inequitable to the majority– who’ve already been sucked past the point of charity. Vague allusions to “creating jobs and eliminating debt” just won’t cut it in an environment where everyone knows that neither is possible.
WT’s plan, though tongue-in-cheek (I think,) at least distributes the cost/benefit evenly.
Polly, I was referring to Ben’s suggestion that there be no bailout to the middle class because that would be piling another wrong on top of the first wrong — the first wrong being the bank bailout. But then that would be unfair to the middle class, which is a wrong in itself. I guess there no solution to all this.
And my reply probably should have been to WT’s original post.
It is important to keep this stuff in perspective. One guy proposing something absurd is just that - one guy proposing something absurd.
“No mention of rebuilding the economy, or a sustainable job base.”
The money changers don’t seem to realize those things are important, or even relevant to the discussion.
The Occupy people aren’t asking for “free money.” They’re asking for an accountable election process and a return to democracy.
The only actual “demand” I’m aware of is an iteration of the Tobin Transaction Tax ($.001 on market traded instruments,) to limit HFT and gaming the “float” by the financial oligarchy.
Social issues aside, the intent is the same as the Tea Party’s– disempower the Wall Street/DC cartel and return the vote to we, the people.
‘The Occupy people aren’t asking for “free money.”
Do some web searching and read their comments. I’ve got a dozen articles saved where those quoted are demanding foreclosed houses be returned to the people who defaulted. They are also taking over abandoned property.
I realize this is just some of the people involved. But like I said when they started, if you are going to claim to be “the” 99%, you better have a broad goal or some are gonna say, ‘you don’t represent me.’ I happen to believe that foreclosure is how house prices get reduced, and I’d like to see cheaper houses. I’m not sure these protesters have thought this through.
Yeah, I think “mistakes have been made” by some of OWS in the areas you mention. I don’t hold the whole movement responsible for that, though. I also totally disagree with those who are fixated on loan forgiveness and that sort of thing.
I thought one thing OWS was fairly clear about was wanting forgiveness of student loan debt. I think it should be dischargeable in bankruptcy again, but the few OWS supporters I said that too didn’t seem to understand it.
said that too
OMG, it’s starting…dementia setting in.
BJ-
There were TeaParty people who carried guns to rallies, shouted down public debate, and demanded Planned Parenthood be eliminated, too. But that was hardly the spirit of the foundational movement.
It’s not fair to judge an ideology by its fringe– or what it devolves into– but it’s certainly a lot easier way for the PTB to marginalize it….
OWS proper is over. Its offshoots (like the Tea Party Birthers, for example,) live on in the pols and pundits who latch onto the initial intent for their own devices. The point was to demand transparency and public conversation. In that sense, both have succeeded quite nicely.
Occupy tried very hard not to be co-opted, but it seems as if they are being co-opted by the FreeSh!tArmy.
I agree with the Tobin tax, but I’m very skeptical of discharging student loan debt. Student loans are essentially unsecuritized debt — it’s not as if the bank can repo the college degree or dorm living.
Perhaps a halfway program where the student either defers the loan until he gets a job (maybe put a fee or interest rate on the delay), OR the student offers his services to his country in return for loan forgiveness — for example joining the military, working in a charity hospital, providing public legal services, or something similar.
‘where the student either defers the loan until he gets a job’
There’s not a lot of good options here. I try to watch Anonymous youtubes regularly (Anonymous is regarded by some as the genesis of OWS). I watched one last night in which the speaker said students had to get the loans to get a job, then said there were no jobs.
One, taking on a lot of debt at a young age is a big risk. Two, I really wish OWS would look at why there aren’t many good jobs. Off-shoring, for one. If they had seized upon the globalism issue (which is the bread and butter of wall street, BTW. Look at the Goldman Sachs takeover of Italy and Greece), there’s no telling where the movement would be now.
“I happen to believe that foreclosure is how house prices get reduced, and I’d like to see cheaper houses. I’m not sure these protesters have thought this through.”
I suppose ‘free’ qualifies as ‘cheap’?
I don’t.
The kids are close to graduation after putting themselves through school with part-time jobs and student loans.
Good for them. THAT eduaction may be worth alot more than their degree.
LOL!
I paid for about 2/3 of college with loans and jobs and a scholarship. And yes, it does make a huge difference. For one thing, you’re a lot less cavalier about studying. And about money.
My first round of college was paid for by my parents.
It took 6 years and I graduated with a 2.0. I had to beg the dean at the end just to let me finish and get a degree.
When I went back to school to get my teaching license, I ended up with a 4.0. What accounted for the difference?
Paying for the classes myself; realizing what I should have known all along. All it really took was showing up and participating in what I paid for. When I was 18 I did not give much thought to much except hedonism; you wont pass Chemistry thru osmosis or Oceanography just by going to the beach!
I was a pretty good student at university, which my folks paid for. However, I was an outstanding community college student. And much more motivated to learn than in my university days.
Why was that? Because I was paying for all of the tuition, fees, and books, that’s why!
But in July, she lost that Adeline Street property and for the past several months has been trying to reclaim it. ‘I’m a resident who has decided I’m not going to take this anymore,’ said Newsome, who said she fell behind on a secondary mortgage after she lost her job, sent her two oldest daughters to college and was without work from 2007 to 2009.”
It is almost like they were out for a walk and they “lost” the house as you may a lose a wallet…
Permit me to indulge in a bad pun, but that “lost the house” wording makes me go bananas. You don’t just *lose* a house. A whole bunch of stuff has to happen first.
And, since I’m fighting a cold with raw garlic and have the breath to match, permit me to breathe some of my grumpiness on this board. Two points:
1. Since when is an affordable house almost a quarter of a million dollars?
2. A freelance photographer needs to have more than one source of income. Heck, we’re the original multiple streams of income people.
BTW, I’m chewing on raw garlic like it’s Wrigley’s Spearmint Gum. And, believe it or not, it’s helping my symptoms.
“Since when is an affordable house almost a quarter of a million dollars?”
My thoughts exactly.
Sounds gross, Slim, but running a stream of warm salt water up your nose and flushing the back of your throat with it (controlled waterboarding, essentially,) works wonders for removing viral/bacterial infection and reducing inflammation. I do it as soon as a feel a cold coming on, and it’s not failed me yet. (An old Country Doc’s trick from my father.) A company called Neilmed (online,) makes a cheap squeeze bottle thingy that works perfectly.
Feel better.
Ah, yes! Sniff and spit! I’ve done that and it really helps.
And guess what I should have been doing yesterday when I first felt that funny tickle in the roof of my mouth? Sniffing and spitting, that’s what!
Oh, well. My bad. Too late now. But I think the garlic is really knocking this thing down.
‘I’m not going to take this anymore’
It says she bought the house 15 years ago. Secondary mortgage? Refi?
Don’t unpack the boxes Newsome.
And THIS will immediately increase the price of every home in America by $100,000’s and make us all debt slaves.
Another government program IS NOT THE ANSWER to this problem.
The San Gabriel Valley News. “Dennis F. Paulaha, who holds a Ph.D in economics from the University of Washington in Seattle, has a plan. It’s a sweeping strategy he says will put more Americans in homes, create more jobs and eliminate the federal debt. The core of Paulaha’s ‘trickle up’ plan would allow the government to offer every U.S. citizen a 30-year mortgage at a 1 percent fixed rate of interest, with interest-only payments for the first two years. That would allow every financially qualified person - not just those in immediate danger of default - to finance a new or existing home, with a $500,000 lifetime limit.”
Agree, this is a a disaster waiting to happen. Everyone will base their house purchase on the interest only howmuchamonth. And then in two years they can’t pay the reset howmuchamonth, and they’ll start whining about “their” house being “stolen” by the bank.
not everyone is buying that
“Marty Rodriguez, one of the nation’s top Realtors for Century 21, had a polar opposite view. ‘I think it’s ludicrous,’ said Rodriguez, who owns her own real estate agency in Glendora. ‘We’ve already got people in homes that haven’t made payments in two or three years. So let’s give them more money at 1 percent interest … I’m sorry but I’m just not buying into this. This isn’t what America is made of.’”
“Rodriguez said banks already handed out stated-income loans to people who could ill afford the homes they signed on to buy. ‘We’ve already done this once and you saw what happened,’ she said. ‘People who bought these homes thought they wouldn’t have to go to work and would get everything for free.’”
A realtor who is not a liar? Cognitive dissonance alert!
“They were earning $20,000 a month, living in their dream home, about to send two kids to college. When the housing bubble burst, they lost the business, the house and their marriage. ‘We were living in a dream world,’ said 55-year-old Saunders.”
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That’s a dream world? Really? REALLY? Arrogant prideful pieces of $hit. And that’s why you lost it all. Pride.
one middle-class worker who fell from one bracket to another
$240k a year is “middle class”? Per the Wall Street Journal “rank me” calculator, it is the top 4% of income in the country.
Oh, no, the previous sentence says that “middle class” is $44k to $155k.
For $240k, they should have lived incognito amongst their peers, instead of prentending to be new rich. Am I the only idiot out there that says to myself every time I buy something that it is, without a doubt, pushing the possibility of retirement off another day or two?
If she was so “new rich” that the loss of the business and the income means she’s working a $45k/year job at the hardware store just to make ends meet, how was she going to fund retirement?
Lots of missing statements in this. She wanted to retire at 50, methinks, but even if the little housing bubble game would have continued, there is no way she could have retired at 50, 60, or even 70. She (and her hubby) spent every dime that came her way and more.
For $240k, they should have lived incognito amongst their peers, instead of prentending to be new rich.
But they thought their peers WERE the rich. When you define “rich” by possessions, and you can borrow enough to have the same possessions as you see the rich with, then YOU are rich…right?
I’m puzzled by the “retire at 50″ comment. She’s 55 now. That means she turned 50 in 2006, before the market tanked. So why didn’t she retire at 50 in 2006? By her own statement, she would have had the money to do so.
“For $240k, they should have lived incognito amongst their peers, instead of prentending to be new rich.”
BINGO
“We still have that climate, and the beaches, and the mountains. What’s becoming increasingly scarce are good jobs and affordable housing”
Hmmm….
“The biggest state to state shift in the country was people leaving the Golden State and heading to the Lone Star state. Jobs are just one reason for the migration. Housing is another.”
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Interesting. Almost “The Grapes of Wrath” in reverse.
Except it’s not the poor and destitute that are leaving California.
Which makes it even funnier as these are the folks who always love to gush about how wonderful the weather is in California, especially SoCal.
They’re just gonna LOOOOVE those Texas summers, especially if they move to Houston, San Antonio or Austin.
‘how wonderful the weather is in California’
I’ve never understood this. When I’ve driven around CA most of it looks like west Texas. Yeah, there’s that strip on the coast, but I lived on an island off Texas that was just as nice weather wise, and the water is warmer.
I liked Austin when I was there. It’s humid in the summer, but the winters are mild and you don’t get the crazy storms like the plains. I left cuz of the traffic. And the yuppies.
It does get hotter the further inland you go, but you don’t get the crazy humidity and it really neve gets quite to “Texas Hot”. I lived 6 months in San Antonio and the weather (IMHO) is much nastier there than inland SoCal.
That said, I think SoCal weather is overrated.
It does get hotter the further inland you go
Until you hit the Sierras, anyway. Certainly nothing in the mountains has a Texas-like climate, and there are a lot of mountains in California.
Also, “that strip along the coast” is where 3/4 of the state’s population lives.
Weather is kinda whatever to me, but I just got back from a week in SoCal visting inlaws for Thanksgiving, and it’s odd that regular houses can cost 3X as much as Texas (rent 1.5 - 2X), but everything sold in stores and restaurants costs the same or less.
There is no way that all those people working in the stores (and the economy seemed relatively healthy, vs the death stench 1-2 years previous) can afford to live in CA selling things for the same price as lower cost of living places. My inlaws are doubled up in their regular sized house. I’d bet a ton of families are just to make it there.
Gas is the other thing that is slightly higher. I think it was between $3.30-$3.50 while Texas was $3.10. I don’t think the density is enough to make goods the same price, so items should be slightly more expensive due to transport costs.. The number of stores I’d say is proportional to the populations in both places, so I don’t see any margins being exploited…it doesn’t make economic sense to me.
Something is going to have to give.
I spent the summer of 1980 in Big Sur, CA and I’ve haven’t experienced weather that perfect since.
‘where 3/4 of the state’s population lives’
That’s another thing. It’s too crowded for my taste. But I don’t care for big cities.
“…offer every U.S. citizen a 30-year mortgage at a 1 percent fixed rate of interest, with interest-only payments for the first two years…”
Offer every U.S. citizen the cut rate deal the Fed offered, on a discriminatory basis, to Megabank, Inc? No way!
“The affordable units, which are being offered for $243,000, have two bedrooms, a den, two bathrooms and an attached two-car garage.”
Getting low income families to take out an FHA mortgage to buy one of these sounds like a great way to rip them off.
I never thought I’d see the day when the amount $243,000 and the word “affordable” appeared in the same sentence. That’s almost a quarter of a million buckaroos.
Affordable, my foot.
“That’s almost a quarter of a million buckaroos.”
But it has a den.
It is “affordable” if you make 100K per year, which puts you into … let’s see … the top 10-15% of income earners?
And of course if you earn $100k/year, you don’t qualify for the “affordable” units.
Per the NYT calculator, $100K is about the top 22% or so. There is a huge class of professionals like managers or senior engineers who bring home between $130K and $170K. And that’s in low-cost areas.
“With sales of new homes near historic lows, Sacramento builders remain in survival mode, but a few say they expect to see demand slowly pick up next year.”
Do you notice how serial bottom callers always predict a pick up next year, no matter how many past years in a row such predictions have failed.
but a few say they
expecthope against all reason to see demand slowly pick up next year.Fixed it!
Being overly optimistic is endemic to the United States and to the economics profession in particular. Probably because the models all assume democracy, the rule of law, cheap energy, economic growth, rational behavior, and the like.
I don’t think anything about our near or long-term futures should be assumed. It’s the person who thinks tomorrow will be like today, only better, who’s the crank.
I sold my house in Sherman Oaks California in 1980 and moved to Florida. Got about 2X the house for the money, and on a lake. And no more state income tax.
Even then, the moving company told me they’d been moving more people out of California than in for many years !
Yes, the pay is higher in California, but not THAT much higher. And I have a mail-order business so my “pay” didn’t drop at all.
One thing different is that the house in Sherman Oaks is worth about 6X what I sold it for in 1980 and the Florida house only about 2.5 X . So I don’t feel as “rich.” But this means that the price advantage for someone moving to Florida is even greater now.
One disadvantage is that percentage property taxes in Florida are maybe 2X that of California, but we also have limits on the increase after you buy, like proposition 13 in California. (Texas property taxes are maybe 3X California, as I understand it.) However, in either case, the property is worth less so the tax comes out about same for equivalent property. In round numbers.
By the way, despite some bad comments about Tampa on this blog, I love it here. Not sure I would like the Miami area as much.
“despite some bad comments about Tampa on this blog, I love it here.”
You must not have kids, or a wife, or drive much, or require service, or space, or peace, or…
I’ve been thinking about getting a stun gun and a CWP.
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