Investors Mistook A Phase For An Enduring Trend
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Brian Persaud keeps his finger on the pulse of the Toronto real estate market and has an uncanny ability to sense a new trend before it happens. With the proliferation of so many investment condo units, one wonders if Toronto will become a city of rentals. ‘It’s really interesting,’ says Persaud. ‘Are they all becoming rental units? In the beginning yes, but there’s so much demand for home ownership now that over time, as the investors get out, and these investors are going for the long-term; three, four, five years, eventually people will buy them.’”
“If the real estate bubble bursts, it is sure to turn China’s rising middle class against the government. Recently outraged apartment owners organized a demonstration in downtown Shanghai, protesting the decline in the value of their property. Wang Jiang, 28, points to a nearly complete apartment block in Anting, one of the city’s suburbs. The software company manager bought an apartment on the 16th floor of the building for €138,000 in early September. It was a steep price for 82 square meters (883 square feet). But Wang was determined to get in on the boom. He didn’t even take the time to view the housing complex before he bought the apartment. Where else, after all, should he have invested his assets, if not in real estate?”
“Wang’s apartment isn’t even finished yet, but he no longer feels any joy about moving in — not now that the real estate company is offering similar apartments in the same complex for about 20 percent less. Wang feels he was deceived about his apartment’s resale value. ‘What are they thinking?’ he demands. ‘Surely they can’t just erase a portion of my assets?’”
“There are many similarities between the over-confidence in Japanese equities in the 1980s, the over-confidence in technology stocks in the 1990s, and the prevailing attitude to China in recent years. In each case investors mistook a phase in a cycle for an enduring trend. Investors persuaded themselves that the fundamentals were so favourable that prices would continue to rise.”
“In other words, they extrapolated the recent past into an ever more favourable future. In short, they believed that ‘this time it’s different’.”
“We reported that 50 per cent of China’s gross domestic product (GDP) consists of investment. We pointed out that China had built a number of brand spanking new ghost cities, with virtually no residents. I recently heard further anecdotal evidence of over-building, in a report by a traveller in north-west China, driving for hours on a six-lane highway and hardly seeing another car. If large road building is seen as evidence of a healthy China, then we would be twice as impressed if this highway was expanded to 12 lanes. Never mind that no one uses it.”
“Q: I have a problem. My property was appraised about five years ago for 50 percent more than what it’s worth now, according to the local assessor’s value. I’ve listed the home for sale significantly below that number over the last year and I’ve had many lookers but no great offers. I’ve made every improvement or change suggested by my real estate agent, but the most recent offer was 30 percent less than my listing price. Would it be possible to take a look at what’s viewable on the web and maybe spot some serious defect or drawback that’s causing lookers to back off and not even consider making an offer?”
“A: The market is rather interesting these days, but not in a good way. From an emotional perspective, chasing the market down is one of the hardest things you can do. You might find that you have lowered the price on your home, but that each time you listed your home for less, you were behind the current market. So each successive price decline was not sufficient to push you ahead of local market conditions.”
“We have a home in our neighborhood that was listed for $900,000 when the market was at its peak. But at that point the home was overpriced and there were many lookers but no buyers. As the housing market deteriorated, the owners reduced the price, but never enough to entice buyers that had become accustomed to other homes in the market that were priced lower.”
“Today, that same home is listed for around $550,000 with few people taking a look at it. You can buy a bigger home in better condition in a better location for that price or less. You may be in a similar situation.”
“About 50 people descended on a Riverside home today to move an evicted resident back into a property that he lost to foreclosure, which he blamed on a bank’s refusal to negotiate with him on a modified mortgage. ‘I don’t know if this is gonna work,’ said Art de los Santos, who was kicked out of the single- story house in July.”
“He and other supporters of a ‘National Reoccupy Homes Day’ event forced their way into the vacant residence carrying in furniture, including a cabinet, chairs and flat-screen television. ‘I support him. He’s standing up for his rights. Good for him,’ said Lida Cingmars, whose house abuts the former de los Santos property. Cingmars’ property is also in default and on the verge of repossession. She said she may be forced to leave with her family in a month. ‘The greed of investors caused this to happen,’ Cingmars told CNS. ‘The bank should have considered his situation. Look at what’s happening to people.’”
“Asked whether de los Santos’ claim to the property is valid even if he cannot repay his mortgage, Joseph McCoy, with Occupy L.A., shrugged and said, ‘Each homeowner has to decide if what’s going on is right.’”
“More consumers are choosing to pay credit card debts while letting the mortgage slip, helping push credit card delinquencies to their lowest point in 17 years, TransUnion said. Historically, Americans protected their house payment and were more apt to be delinquent on credit card payments, said Charlie Wise, the company’s director of research and consulting. But crashing home values and desperation have caused that to flip since 2008.”
“Consumers are making tough choices based on which asset gives them what they need in tough times. ‘Consumers are protecting their credit cards. It gives them financial flexibility,’ Wise said.”
“Americans’ wealth last summer suffered its biggest quarterly loss in more than two years as stocks, pension funds and home values lost value. Household wealth, or net worth, is the value of assets like homes, bank accounts and stocks, minus debts like mortgages and credit cards. Home equity is the biggest source of wealth for most Americans. Last quarter, home values slipped 0.6 percent. Total values fell to $16.1 trillion, down from nearly $21 trillion in 2007, before the recession began.”
“The report found that household debt declined at an annual rate of 1.25 percent from the previous quarter. The main reason was a decline in mortgage debt, which has fallen for 14 straight quarters. But the drop is deceiving. Mortgage debt is declining mainly because so many Americans are defaulting on payments and losing their homes to foreclosure — not just because people are paying off loans.”
“Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley sued five of the biggest banks in the country – including Bank of America, JPMorgan and Wells Fargo – for alleged foreclosure fraud. For an update on what’s going and to get context on the Coakley suit, I spoke to Alan White, a visiting professor at Tulane law school who has written widely on the foreclosure crisis.”
“Q: A recent study by the Center for Responsible Lending found that we may be only halfway through the foreclosure crisis. Can you give us a status update on how bad things are right now? A: We have this $10 trillion problem. Total outstanding mortgages in the U.S. on houses went from $4 trillion to $10 trillion – it almost tripled – in the decade before the crisis. Since 2007, mortgage debt has barely dropped. While home prices have dropped by 30 percent, the amount we owe on our houses has only dropped by 5 percent.”
“There are 6 or 7 million homes where people are behind on their mortgages or in foreclosure. That’s triple to quadruple any kind of levels we’ve seen since the Great Depression. The foreclosure process is slow, and the process of working out loans one by one in our retail system has been painfully slow. We’re still foreclosing about a million more houses a year. So I think the logic of the Center for Responsible Lending report was right: When you look at all these numbers – the number of people who are behind, the rate at which we’re foreclosing on houses, and the rate at which people are being given alternatives to foreclosure, we’re looking at another five to 10 years of this.”
“When Martha Coakley went rogue last week, she came off as the AG who was done playing games with the big, bad banks. The oddest thing about the complaint is it fails to pinpoint a sensible motive for all of this allegedly heinous behavior. Banks are not in a rush to take back homes from borrowers. Foreclosure is not a profitable pursuit, and banks often don’t know what to do with the homes once they’ve taken them back. I hope the banks work out a deal with the AGs that helps keep even more people in their homes while not making those who have diligently kept current with their mortgages feel like suckers.”
“It was never hard to miss the ‘Young Building’, but now that Habitat for Humanity’s transformation of the former Sunrise Trailer Park project has begun next door it really stands out. The Charlottesville factory was destroyed by a fire in 1920, but the office building survived. It would become a residence and then a rental property for many years. Today, it’s own by Jeff Grosfeld.”
“Grosfeld says he has no immediate plans for the property, which he’s mostly using for storage, and is just ‘waiting for the right time’ to fix it up or sell it. He says that Habitat offered to buy the property, which is assessed at $171,700, but didn’t offer him very much. ‘I didn’t want to just give it away,’ says Grosfeld.”
I find the Re-occupy movement a telling scenario to the downfall of American society. And it goes to the heart of the problem with “getting people in”, with a zero to low downpayment and interest rate.
Millions of people were moved into luxurious houses that they had no business to occupy in the first damned place. They could not afford the bills. I understand everyone want something for nothing. Me too.
However, I understand the “commitment” I would undertake were I took agree to “buy” a $300,000 house. My salary during the housing boom would have supported that level using standard loan metrics. 3x gross income.
I didn’t buy. I didn’t want to be forced to slave for 30 years to pay the debt. I just didn’t seem like a good “lifestyle” for me. And would not allow for any life changes, like long-term unemployment.
However, for the millions of people who did buy into that concept and moved into extravagant homes and condos, I have little sympathy for them and their pleas about how they have been “misled” and taken advantage of by mean, nasty banks. The purchase was voluntarily made. And yet, after not living up to their end of the deal, we see the same lament, over and over, and over………
‘The greed of investors caused this to happen,’ Cingmars told CNS. ‘The bank should have considered his situation. Look at what’s happening to people.’”
It’s been the greed of investors. It’s been the banks. I didn’t “buy”.
Why did you? Yes, that’s right. You got greedy. You were afraid you would miss out on the boom. You took the advice of Realtors(tm) who told you that if you didn’t buy NOW, you’d be “priced out forever.”
And still, I am distressed by all the lawlessness I am seeing in America.
The connected, rich Banksters and politicians commit fraud and aren’t prosecuted. Wallstreet traders and Big trading firms front-run stocks and play games with naked shorts. The companies go bankrupt and the CEO’s walk away with millions or they get a “bailout”. Small traders are wiped out. And on main street, we see this. People occupy homes they never should have been given a key to, with fraudulent loan documents, and then refuse to leave when they can’t pay, and then stage a trespassing campaign to stake a claim on the property they’ve been squatting in.
To say the least, I am disturbed that lawlessness is the new America. From the Whitehouse, to the poorhouse, down to the average outhouse.
I’ve watched the “entitlement” mentality run through America like a cancer. Every group looking for some “claim” on the wealth of others, using the government as the agent to impound others’ creations and transfer them to selected, favored groups. I fear it is now endemic in American life. Look at the “budget committees”. They can’t even cut back on the GROWTH of programs, much less make any real cuts to unfunded spending. It’s a disease. It is greed. But it’s greed all around.
I guess folks are just following the advice of their ‘leader’ in the whitehouse who says we should spread the wealth around. The government’s already providing food for 45 million people here, and free medical care is coming for another 30 million. I guess some 20 million should be given free houses, too. But we won’t call is greed, we’ll call it “Fairness”. I don’t even know what that means, anymore.
“Every group looking for some “claim” on the wealth of others, using the government as the agent to impound others’ creations and transfer them to selected, favored groups.” This is nothing new. We “civilized” white folk used US troops to impound Indian Territories for which we had already signed treaties, treaties broken over and over again when wealth was to be had, ie gold or oil, forests or farmland. The Trail of Tears is a shameful chapter in our history, it’s much easier to drink the “intrepid pioneer” kool-aid and forget that they had a bit of help, i.e. access to “free” land. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Are you really equating the housing bubble to the indians?
Here is a little historical note for ya that is not taught in schools:
Nearly ALL indian tribes (with a few notable exceptions) sided and fought with the British during the American Revolution.
F’em.
Isn’t that a bit redundant?
Here’s some actual facts about why east coast Indians fought on the British side, to wit because they didn’t trust the encroaching American settlers and the British promised they wouldn’t take their land. Also, I strongly doubt any Indians west of the Mississippi were involved, so nearly ALL is a bit of an overstatement. http://www.mpm.edu/wirp/icw-143.html
Forced home equity savings worked out just great, right up until the point when home prices dropped to the tune of six figures in most parts of the U.S.
I question the findings of the research cited below. If renters spent the money saved by not buying a home on European vacations rather than on money-losing stock market investments, wouldn’t they still be better off than if they lived in an owner-occupied money pit?
Amy Hoak’s Home Economics Archives
Nov. 28, 2011, 12:01 a.m. EST
How to know whether it’s time to buy a home
Six considerations for those weighing whether to rent or buy
By Amy Hoak, MarketWatch
CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — As another year of the housing downturn ends, some are wondering if it finally is more advantageous to buy instead of rent, given discounted home prices and mortgage rates near historical lows.
The answer not only depends on where you live, but also your personal finances, the stability of your job and what you expect for home prices and rental rates in the years ahead.
Historically, renting has been the better choice, according to recent research.
Renting was the better move about 75% of the time, according to “Lessons from over 30 years of buy versus rent decisions: Is the American Dream always wise?,” a paper scheduled for publication next year.
The catch: Renters need to invest all the money they saved.
“We find that if people don’t invest the money, actually about 90% of the time, you’re better off buying,” said Eli Beracha of East Carolina University, who co-authored the paper with Ken H. Johnson of Florida International University.
That’s because for many Americans, their home has become a sort of forced savings account, allowing them to build savings through home equity.
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Invest in what? REITs? -)
There is an attractive side to investing in REITs compared to owner-occupied housing, which is that you can smooth the timing of purchase so as to not inadvertently catch yourself a falling knife by purchasing at a relatively high price compared to the long-term trend. This will work out great provided the entire long-term trend into which you are making those smoothed purchases does not go into a two-decade Japanese-style slide.
“In each case investors mistook a phase in a cycle for an enduring trend. Investors persuaded themselves that the fundamentals were so favourable that prices would continue to rise.”
“In other words, they extrapolated the recent past into an ever more favourable future. In short, they believed that ‘this time it’s different’.”
Step one in ending bubble-era thinking: MSM articles pointing out the inanity thereof.
China — great place to invest in commercial real estate.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-property-beckons-risk-wary-investors-2011-12-09?link=mw_home_kiosk
“China’s commercial-property sector remains a beacon for international investors, even as evidence of a cooling in some areas of the market becomes more widespread.”
“In fact, there’s been steady, even growing interest from international clients, according to property advisers in Hong Kong, who say reports of ghost cities and other symptoms of over building are well known to first-time investors and those seeking to expand their presence in the mainland.”
“These guys are looking at China because they are saying, ‘Well, where else in the world do we go.’”
Read the Speigel article. They arrested this FB for protesting and some aren’t getting out of jail.
Oh my word…. from the Speigel article…
“This October was the third straight month Chinese exports decreased.”
Negative GDP in China? Can anyone verify if this is the first they’ve seen such an event?
Which link? I can’t find it.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,802308-2,00.html
“Consumers are making tough choices based on which asset gives them what they need in tough times. ‘Consumers are protecting their credit cards. It gives them financial flexibility,’ Wise said.”
Since when is a credit card an asset?!
When it’s the difference between eating and not eating for the rest of the month?
When you plan on running up the balance and then declaring bankruptcy……..Sorry guys, i can’t give you back all that fine wine and cuisine we “consumed’, but here’s what’s left of the stuff we trashed…………
More of a revocable license to spend…
That Toronto guy seems to be one of the local class of temporarily noveau riche “experts” that every real estate bubble spawns. He has a book out. He should write another one in five years when he’s broke.
On that general subject, we should have a HBB book club. First up would be an amusing retrospective: the assignment would be to read David Lereah’s works.
I just finished reading John Talbott’s book, Sell Now! It was about bailing out of real estate during the middle years of the previous decade.
All I can say is that he was dead to right on the housing bubble and its aftermath.
With regards from your HBB Librarian…
His better book was “The coming crash in the housing market” circa 2003. He knew there was going to be a crash even before there was a peak.
“Q: I have a problem. My property was appraised about five years ago for 50 percent more than what it’s worth now, according to the local assessor’s value. I’ve listed the home for sale significantly below that number over the last year and I’ve had many lookers but no great offers. I’ve made every improvement or change suggested by my real estate agent, but the most recent offer was 30 percent less than my listing price. Would it be possible to take a look at what’s viewable on the web and maybe spot some serious defect or drawback that’s causing lookers to back off and not even consider making an offer?”
I’m wondering if the helpful real estate agent was suggesting changes or improvements that would be done by his/her contractor buddies. Who would be sending him/her a nice little kickback for the referral.
“The price…
…is too DAMN HIGH!”
(With apologies to The Rent is Too Damn High Party)
CNBC so you know its true
“After half a decade of withering sales and slumping prices, there are strong and diverse signs that the single-family housing market is poised for a rebound.
In some metropolitan areas, the market has bottomed, with both sales and prices on the rise and foreclosures on the decline.
This contrarian - and largely overlooked - thesis flies in the face of the persistent gloom that has nagged the industry since 2007, when the subprime crisis flared.
Industry analysts and players cite a number of reasons - some traditional (employment), others unique to the post-credit bubble era (foreclosures) Â - for the long-awaited sea change. An analysis of industry and government data also support the forecast.
“It has become increasingly apparent to us that the pieces for a housing rebound next year are beginning to fall into place,” declared Barclays Capital analyst Stephen Kim in a recent note to investors.
No mention here of the 6-7m homes where people are behind on their mortgates or in foreclosure. No mention of a rate of new foreclosure around 1m/year.
In other words, Mr. Kim is ignoring information which contradicts his position. Does Barclays Capital own real estate assets they are trying to unload on the unsuspecting?
People like Mr. Kim will always be admired and well-paid. Here’s a radical idea — why don’t we mark real estate assets to market and see whether Barclays is solvent? Whoopsy daisy!
“Last quarter, home values slipped 0.6 percent.”
$500K California McMansion interpretation:
0.6/100*$500,000 = $3000 loss in one quarter.
“There are 6 or 7 million homes where people are behind on their mortgages or in foreclosure. That’s triple to quadruple any kind of levels we’ve seen since the Great Depression. The foreclosure process is slow, and the process of working out loans one by one in our retail system has been painfully slow. We’re still foreclosing about a million more houses a year. So I think the logic of the Center for Responsible Lending report was right: When you look at all these numbers – the number of people who are behind, the rate at which we’re foreclosing on houses, and the rate at which people are being given alternatives to foreclosure, we’re looking at another five to 10 years of this.”
Reality bites!
Ground level reality in Foothills above Sacramento: The pig is thru the python. FCs are down 20%, inventory for sale down 30%. Prices firming. Multiple offers on all properties. New construction starting (modest amounts). SF rentals in short supply. This market turned in Dec 2005, and the worst of the correction is over. There will be a lot of people ready to buy a FC next year wondering why there aren’t enough to go around.
Oh, and I should mention one minor detail……prices down by 50%. $500,000 sales from 2005 are now $250,000. Buying costs less than renting….
Tools of the real estate industry have been saying prices are getting ready to rebound since…..well, since the day after they started falling.
It could be years before we have full recovery, but if folks think we will ever go back to 15% to 20% appreciation every year, forget it.
Maybe in 100 years or so; certainly not in the lifetime of anyone over 50, unless BB pulls a rabbit out of his hat…
It’s not a rabbit, it’s ink.
and these investors are going for the long-term; three, four, five years, eventually people will buy them.
Investors will buy them for $120K and “eventually” people will buy them for $70K… if they’re still standing.
“If the real estate bubble bursts, it is sure to turn China’s rising middle class against the government.”
Once MSM articles are conjecturing thus, you can stick a fork in China’s real estate bubble.
How do you say “Suzanne said so” in Mandarin?
And where/when have we heard this before”
But Wang was determined to get in on the boom. He didn’t even take the time to view the housing complex before he bought the apartment.
“Wang’s apartment isn’t even finished yet, but he no longer feels any joy about moving in — not now that the real estate company is offering similar apartments in the same complex for about 20 percent less. Wang feels he was deceived about his apartment’s resale value. ‘What are they thinking?’ he demands. ‘Surely they can’t just erase a portion of my assets?’”