Speaking Out About The Syndicate
Readers suggested a topic on taking it to the streets. “Talk talk talk about how bad real estate is, about how anyone who bought during the boom was stupid, how the fundamentals demand a 50% price correction, and how this is certain, the only question is when. Do this over and over and over and over, to anyone within earshot. Get this buzz going so loudly that even the deaf MSM becomes aware of it. In other words, break the illusion that all is well and this is just a blip.”
“If you do this incessantly, and if after this you still want to buy something, prices should be within reason. But, you may have to be willing to continue to take losses for awhile, because prices will probably over-correct and if you buy on the way down, it may continue going down even lower than fundamentals suggest.”
A reply, “I’ve lost friends not because I’ve spoken out about housing but simply because they’ve been irked I haven’t bought yet. I started getting reports this summer about someone making snarky remarks to mutual friends and the thing is it wasn’t behind my back. They were just as eager to confront me head on as if it made any difference in their life. This was the million dollar home purchaser. She said they had to stretch to buy and yet she got very agitated that I was waiting.”
“In my circle, speaking out about the housing syndicate would be tantamount to taking all my clothes off and waving a flag on the steps of town hall. It couldn’t rid me of friends and associates fast enough.”
“What I’m saying is it’s not time yet. Not time at all. As long as central banks apply all the band-aids and paper clips to keep the Ponzi going, people just won’t allow themselves to focus on the full picture. Or maybe they sort of allow themselves to see it in the middle of the night but if everything they’ve got is riding on the game being true, they don’t want to hear anything to the contrary.”
Another said, “I’m thinking the real ‘oh sh%t’ moment won’t happen until 2015. This is far enough in the future to bankrupt many of today’s speculators counting on 2005 prices in 2015 to make their ‘investments’ whole. Around this time the truth should then be plainly visible that housing is not a real investment and should generally be a minimized expense. By then rational expectations should have taken hold that housing will either a) lose money, or b) stay roughly in line with inflation, some key locations being excepted.”
“All around I’m hearing talk about ‘it’s a great time to buy, etc.’ This kind of talk was also heard in 2009 and look what has largely happened since then. If this is a 9-inning ball game, we’re probably still in the top of the 4th.”
One had this, “The truth will be plainly visible that 1/3 of the population can’t retire and expect all current workers to pay for it when the jobs are gone. And voting ourselves benefits we don’t want to work for is a lame way to run a Country. I don’t talk about it much I don’t need any more weirdness after all I moved back to S. CA, although Phoenix was worse about buying not buying.”
“I think here in S. CA, they just think I’m poor. In Phoenix they were younger and dumber in general and needed the comfort of the herd all going down together. You don’t need friends like that.”
And finally, “I’ve been talking for about 7 years now. What if *I* still want to buy something?”
The Frederick News Post in Maryland. “Frederick County had 76 foreclosures in November, up from 55 in October and 52 in November 2010, according to RealtyTrac. Home sales in the county were 177 for November, down from 183 in October. More than 168 homes sold in November 2010. Gloria Castle, president of the Frederick County Association of Realtors, said via email that while local sales were down in November, only 40 percent were foreclosures. Castle also said the inventory of homes on the market was down in November from a year earlier.”
“That inventory, 1,054 in November, doesn’t include the ’shadow inventory’ of potentially distressed homes, said Buzz Mackintosh, co-owner of Mackintosh Inc. Realtors, via email. Mackintosh said Standard & Poor’s defines the shadow inventory as a property 90 days or more delinquent on mortgage payments, as well as those already in foreclosure or are already in the hands of the lender. ‘A lion’s share of that shadow inventory is most likely not in Frederick County, which would be good news for our local real estate market,’ Mackintosh said.”
The Desert Sun on California. “The number of scheduled trustee sales in California last month climbed 14 percent to 26,509, marking a 10-month high and helping the state maintain the second-highest foreclosure rate behind Nevada. Notices of trustee sales are the final step before homes with delinquent mortgages go to auction.”
“More than 5,300 new default notices were mailed to homeowners in the region in November, a 35 percent year-over-year increase. Not since November 2009 has the region seen a year-over-year increase in foreclosure activity, RealtyTrac reported. James Saccacio, RealtyTrac co-founder, said the ‘bellwether states’ of California, Arizona and Massachusetts all posted year- over-year increases in foreclosure activity.”
“Many real estate experts anticipated that filings would jump as lenders and mortgage servicers began ending the voluntary suspensions of foreclosure actions that they initiated in late 2010. Lenders that put temporary holds on foreclosure filings have been resolving problems with processing and paperwork, said Bret Cohn, senior VP with Franklin Loan Center in Palm Desert.”
“Other, seasonal factors likely contributed to November’s increase in foreclosure activity, said Jim Franklin, president of the Palm Springs Association of Realtors. ‘In November, lenders file more trustee sales notices so they’re ready to go in January,’ Franklin said. ‘I think the banks are more sensitive about not taking somebody’s house at Christmas.’”
The News Press in Florida. “The 20th Judicial Circuit in Lee County and other circuits across the state are in a tizzy over how to proceed in the wake of the Florida Supreme Court’s decision Monday to terminate the state’s mandatory foreclosure mediation program. ‘Literally everything across the state is upside down,’ said Jonathan D. Conant, president of the Conant Mediation Center, which manages the state program for the 20th Judicial Circuit, which covers Lee, Collier, Charlotte, Glades and Hendry counties.”
“The termination of the mandatory program comes on the heels of an October review of the program by an assessment work group created by the Supreme Court, recommending that the program be stopped. ‘It was the consensus of the work group that the emergency in residential mortgage foreclosure filings that occurred in 2008-09 continues to exist as an emergency in pending foreclosure cases,’ the report says. ‘There are now approximately 350,000 backlogged foreclosure cases in the circuit courts.’”
“There were 1,426 cases referred to Conant Mediation Center. Of those, the mediation center was able to contact 832 borrowers. ‘Others ignored us or thought we were bill collectors,’ Conant said.”
“Of those 832 borrowers, 337 cases were scheduled for mediation. Of those 337, a total of 269 actually took place. Of the 269 cases, 80 reached agreement.”
The Miami Herald in Florida. “‘I don’t think any real rebound is going to happen until at least 2013,’ said Jack McCabe, CEO of Deerfield Beach-based McCabe Research & Consulting. ‘Right now we have 371,000 open foreclosure files in Florida, and you have 800,000 mortgages that are 60 days late or in default. I don’t see the market rebounding for at least two years.’”
The Dover Post. “Delaware lawmakers passed a package of legislation in July that now requires for an automatic mediation program when a complaint for foreclosure is filed. Attorney General Beau Biden said it is imperative that discussions take place face-to-face between the lender and the borrower before the property is foreclosed upon. ‘This isn’t about someone getting away with not paying their mortgage,’ he said. ‘It brings the two parties together to discuss and set terms in which everyone is satisfied.’”
“Each of Delaware’s three county sheriffs are reporting an increase in sheriff sales for 2011, with a majority of those properties being mortgage sales. Both New Castle and Sussex counties saw an increase of more than 400 sales in 2011 compared to the previous year, and Kent County’s sales has nearly quadrupled since 2010. New Castle County Sheriff Trinidad Navarro said it is often hard to predict how many sheriff sales the county will process year to year.”
“‘We make projections based on historic numbers, but the numbers now are unprecedented,’ he said. ‘The reality is there’s still no end in sight.’”
Collusion in the RE industry is hard to get a grasp on. Inman News is about as connected as they get, but they run articles like this:
‘Lenders had a “shadow inventory” of 1.6 million distressed properties and repossessed homes they hadn’t yet put up for sale at the end of October, down 16 percent from a year ago, loan data and analytics provider CoreLogic reported. Six states account for half of the shadow inventory: Florida, California, Illinois, New York, Texas and New Jersey.’
‘Housing analysts track shadow inventory because it’s typically not included in the official metrics of unsold inventory, and represents a pending supply of homes. CoreLogic estimates that for every two homes listed for sale in a multiple listing service (MLS), lenders have another one in shadow inventory.’
‘Another company that tracks loan data, Lender Processing Services Inc., estimates that there were 3.97 million homes in the the foreclosure process or delinquent by 90 days at the end of October. Foreclosure starts were up 5.7 percent from September to October, LPS said, and there were 2.2 million homes in the foreclosure process.’
“Collusion in the RE industry.” Around here if a Realtor senses that a bank is willing to let a foreclusure go below FMV they still do everything possible to hide it from the market (refusing showings, claiming it is sold already, etc) in an effort to steer the better deals towards friends, family, investors and strawmen for themselves. Of course this is a breach of the duties owed to their client, but they couldnt give a chit, and no one seems to be calling them on it.
I have seen this myself. Once, an REO had gone through 4 rounds of offers and counters. Then a price reduction and another offer by the same party $1000 under asking. Turns out this offer was not submitted for 4 days by the listing broker, and another offer was accepted in the meantime. The seller never saw the offer made by the person who worked that price down, and had stayed on top of this listing.
All kinds of excuses followed, none adding up. In these cases the best option may be to sue. This corruption needs to be wrung out of the system.
in an effort to steer the better deals towards friends, family, investors and strawmen for themselves.
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Is there any legal standing to this, or is it just a marketing line?
I look at the listing realtor and buyer’s realtor as both part of the same team. They’re both de facto working for the seller. They both have the same goal - having the house sell at the highest price.
The whole “buyer’s agent” notion is a joke. The agents for the seller and buyer have the same agenda: selling the house for the highest price point they can get so they can maximize their commision, at the expense of the buyer. There is an inherent conflict of interest that even the dimmest buyer should be able to discern, but rarely does.
Prior to 2008 most people I know said I was throwing my money away on rent, and that I would be priced out forever if I didnt buy immediately. As the market fell, they got angry and would ask each month if I had bought yet because prices are not getting any lower. Now prices have started to go up a bit because banks are taking longer to foreclose and interest rates fell below 4%, and all I hear is a bitter “guess you missed your opportunity, too bad” speech. Talk about shooting the messenger. I have noticed one major change in attitudes, however. Whereas most ppl used to tell me I was crazy for thinking there was a housing bubble and should see a psychologist for mental illness, they now claim a hatred for those damn banks that loaned them the money they begged for. The one thing that has not changed is a refusal to accept personal responsibility for their decisions. I wouldnt continue to tell ppl how bad of an investment housing is if you want to keep your relationships with homeowners who are worried about their job security. Trust me. Even when I innocently and truthfully answer a housing question tossed my way, it immediately causes tension.
I have a different take on the matter. Having faced much of the same comments as you, now that it has been proven there was a housing bubble, everyone “knew” it. Now everyone is a economic forecaster, and these same people who never saw it coming are now claiming that the bottom is behind us. At least that is my experience.
Their “bottoms” are certainly behind them until the time they get hacked off, and handed to them on a pu-pu platter.
Yep. I believe too many people in this country lack the ability to understand facts and analyze a situation. This results in herd mentality bevhavior and the preponderance of repeating what is heard on MSM, such as “the housing market has bottomed”, without there being any evidence to this being true.
This is why we need to end government intervention and handouts. The “Greenspan put” is the reason we are in this mess in the first place.
Even when I innocently and truthfully answer a housing question tossed my way, it immediately causes tension.
Eyes hear ya,…yous ought to see the sort of respect eyes got when eyes kept shouting/yelling/hollering:
!4+% mortgage rates!!!!!!!!!!!! Hurry! Hurry! Hurry!
So what is that your “friend” bring to the table that you are enriched via those friendships? My own experience is that I influenced four people, 2 single & 2 families, from the misery of buying in 2005. There were 2 others in the group that bought and are regretting it since they do not have any disposable income anymore. They are not in touch with me. Frankly this is best for me.
I would also challenge that in light of HBBers being vocal about calling out politicians, the whole economic profession, employees at the lenders etc. on how they chose to bite their lip and not say anything about the wrongs/ excesses etc. - is it not the same you are doing in allowing your “friends” to labor under housing misconceptions?
Yah, I saved an LA gal from buying in 2006. bought her some gold and advised her to keep her $500,000 in CDs. She would have done better in index stock funds.
Your are just a bitter/loser renter…
Merry Christmas!
Correction: when used as on online insult it is spelled looser with 2 o’s
your an idiot
You’re a little cranky. Merry Christmas!
He’s not. He’s doing a deliberate parody of a typical comment, wrong spelling and everything.
That’s why that little winky thing is there.
You fell for it. The joke’s on you!
“The one thing that has not changed is a refusal to accept personal responsibility for their decisions.”
The transition from Adolescence to Adult didn’t gel, i.e., the Formal Operations stage wasn’t complete. Unfortunately this includes far too many adults these days.
I’ve been throwing away money on rent since 2005. We had one rent increase since then, and we just renewed our lease at last year’s rent for maybe the third time in a row (I lost track…).
I’m happy to keep throwing away less than 25% of our income on rent rather than throwing away over 30% of our income on ownership, before factoring in capital losses.
Power and Authority. Two different things and the Housing Crime Syndicate has both. Through these tools they’ve developed an ideology and imposed it on the public through the media by constant repetition over a very long duration. The short list of adjectives include brainwashing, cult thinking, etc. Call it what you want.
The end result? The ideology is presumed to be conventional wisdom…. common sense. This is why we hear the visceral reactions when we skirt or directly confront the presumed conventional wisdom.
Our war is on all fronts. Creating new converts on Main Street and putting the HCS on defense on NAR Street. When one is willing to listen on Main Street, simple logic is your tool of choice. When he refuses to view things from a different perspective, shutdown the conversation. When the HCS lies are stated by power and authority, *ASK* simple powerful questions and let them sit out there…. let them hang. Why are reaItors suggesting to the public they buy housing when prices are falling? There is no acceptable answer to it.(and you guys need to stop answering this for the HCS). The public needs to hear the unacceptable responses from the HCS.
Ben Bernanke, reappointed by no change grew up in Hawaii, Ivy League Schools my whole life Obama, is 100%, wrong. Bernanke denied the housing correction till a blind man could see it. Now he is trying to supply more debt (dope) to a debtor (junkie) who is broke. Someone tell him it’s over for a generation. The only thing Bernanke is inflating is supermarket prices. Has anyone been to the supermarket lately, it reminds me of the last years of that other savior, champion of change Jimmy Carter. I would like to know how we can keep housing at these lofty levels when jobs don’t pay and income is falling. The musical chairs for Baby Boomers selling to each other is over and the next generations do not have high paying jobs or funny money to keep the party going. Raise rates and make the dollar strong so that those low paying jobs actually buy more at the supermarket and not less. Housing will then correct to reflect current salary levels. Many people I know are waiting for their winnings to come back. The Dow has been around 10K for 10 years, and the Nasdaq is still half of what it was a decade ago. Full disclosure:I am not a bitter renter. I am a Generation X living in Naples, Fl and I own my home, no debt whatsoever. I say this because whenever I have talked critically on housing people think you don’t own anything. It does seem that people think in heards and not for themselves. I remeber in 1999 gold was $270 and ounce, and silver $5 an ounce, a buy, so I bought heavily, but everyone I talked to thought I was crazy for not buying NASDAQ. I can’t imagine buying gold or silver now at these prices. I had people hostile in suggesting that housing was reaching lofy prices through cheap money, not fundamentals of income back in 2004. I find people don’t want to hear bad news or take strong medicine, denial, pretend and extend. Now our government has borrowed another Trillion dollars. When does a Trillion dollars get repaid? In a Trillion years? Seems to me its full speed ahead till we run out of gas or hit a brick wall. Housing will not correct till these leaders we have supply the right medicine. I suggest everyone get to a lifeboat, for our leaders are full speed ahead and think this ship can’t sink.
“I suggest everyone get to a lifeboat”
Help me… what would this lifeboat be?
Face it, with the exception of being able to print our own currency, we are Greece.
Merry Christmas/Happy Hannukah everyone!
Sweetie,
If this is “Ivy League” exposition, you need to demand your tuition back.
lol… no doubt.
I think he meant that Obama had an Ivy League education.
After struggling to get the meaning, I think you are right. I think this is supposed to say:
“Ben Bernanke, reappointed by “no-change, grew up in Hawaii, ‘Ivy League Schools my whole life’” Obama, is 100%, wrong. ”
I agree that the lack of clarity doesn’t contribute to or bode well for the thought process behind the argument. Snap! ; )
“I would like to know how we can keep housing at these lofty levels when jobs don’t pay and income is falling.”
Don’t buy until BB’s term as Fed chair expires.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_THRILL_ASSAULTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-12-24-10-28-42
Predatory behavior is becoming the new normal, in part because of the impunity the participants enjoy - be they street thugs or Wall Street sociopaths.
This shows how far we have fallen as a nation. Disgusting.
Predatory behavior is becoming the new normal, in part because of the impunity the participants enjoy - be they street thugs or Wall Street sociopaths.
BINGO
Thank God I live in a state where it’s easy to get a concealed weapons permit. I doubt you’ll see this happening often in TX/FL (and other states where getting a carry permit is something that just about anyone but a felon can slide right through). There’s something to be said for asymmetric force.
If they sucker punch you first you probably won’t get a chance to use your concealed weapon, and if you do manage to pull it out while they pummel you there is a good chance they will take it from you and even use it against you (I know of someone who suffered that final fate).
“More than 5,300 new default notices were mailed to homeowners in the region in November, a 35 percent year-over-year increase. Not since November 2009 has the region seen a year-over-year increase in foreclosure activity, RealtyTrac reported. James Saccacio, RealtyTrac co-founder, said the ‘bellwether states’ of California, Arizona and Massachusetts all posted year- over-year increases in foreclosure activity.”
Since the ‘bellwether states’ just saw a huge increase in foreclosure activity, I guess the rest of the USA is soon to follow.
So much for the false theory that the foreclosure crisis is nearly over.
‘I think the banks are more sensitive about not taking somebody’s house at Christmas.’
Are the banksters planning to wait until after the Souper Bowl to take people’s homes?
‘Right now we have 371,000 open foreclosure files in Florida, and you have 800,000 mortgages that are 60 days late or in default. I don’t see the market rebounding for at least two years.’
371,000 + 800,000 = 1,171,000 homes in Florida’s shadow inventory (by a conservative count. Does this McCabe guy seriously think the depressed Florida real estate market can absorb more than a million foreclosure homes in two year’s time, in order to rebound by 2013?
Color me extremely skeptical.
I’m trying to guess how many homes might lurk in California’s shadow inventory, based on the news that maybe 1.171m+ lie in the shadows of Florida’s housing market.
If the California shadow inventory density were the same as Florida’s, we could simply ratio up from Florida’s population to California’s to get a ballpark figure for California:
Population, California
36,961,664 - Jul 2009
Source: U.S. Census Bureau
Population, Florida
18,537,969 - Jul 2009
Source: U.S. Census Bureau
Estimated California shadow inventory:
1.171m X 37.0m/18.5m = 2.342m homes in California’s shadow inventory, based on assumption of equal density to Florida.
The big question: Is California’s foreclosure density greater or less than Florida’s?
Merry Xmas — time to go open some more presents
‘The reality is there’s still no end in sight.’
Glad at least somebody is discussing reality as regards the endless U.S. foreclosure crisis.
I’ve been looking at Redfin’s Phoenix listings, and it appears that places in the $80 to $100 per SQFT in newer neighborhoods are “pending” rather quickly these days. I’m wondering if NAR has a cheap winter vacation package available that requires the guests to drink spiked kool-aid while visiting properties in the foreclosure bus.