December 28, 2011

There’s Nowhere But Down For Prices

The Albuquerque Journal reports from New Mexico. “The Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller index released Tuesday showed prices dropped in October from September in 19 of the 20 cities tracked. Home prices have fallen roughly 32 percent nationwide since the housing bubble burst five years ago and are back to 2003 levels, according to the index. Homes that sold in the Albuquerque area in November did so at 2005 prices, as has been the case more often than not this year, according to data from the Greater Albuquerque Association of Realtors. The median price was $160,000, down 9.86 percent from last November.”

“‘New Mexico median prices continue to reflect the number of distressed properties still on the market,’ M. Steven Anaya, executive VP of the Realtors Association of New Mexico, said in a statement.”

Inside Tucson Business in Arizona. “Tucson’s economy is no longer ‘bouncing along the bottom’ and as 2011 comes to a close there are signs the recovery is accelerating locally, according to economist Marshall Vest, director of the Economic and Business Research Center at the University of Arizona. He cautioned there is a lot of ground to make up, but he expects the Tucson job market to recover all of the jobs lost during the recession by 2015. Continued distress in the housing marke has been altered by the recession as younger buyers no longer view home ownership as a worthy investment.”

“Vest’s colleague, Gerald Swanson, professor of economics, commented the recession had caused a change in terminology noting that economists never before had referred to 2 percent as ‘growth.’”

From NPR. “In the movie Groundhog Day, Bill Murray keeps waking up to live the same day over and over again. President Obama might feel the same way about the troubled U.S. housing market. In a 2009 speech in Arizona, he spoke about his plan to prevent foreclosures. ‘The American dream is being tested by a home mortgage crisis that not only threatens the stability of our economy, but also the stability of families and neighborhoods,’ he said.”

“But despite all kinds of federal initiatives, the housing market still hasn’t seen a real turnaround, which the president addressed this past summer. ‘[The housing market] is the biggest headwind on the economy right now,’ he said.”

Vegas Inc in Nevada. “With annual sales running at about 5,000 or less each year since 2009, no one is expecting a return anytime soon to the numbers seen during the economic boom. For Las Vegas-area homebuilders, the peak year was 2005 when sales totaled about 30,800. Dennis Smith, president of Home Builders Research, reported Friday that builders locally bought 250 building permits in November. That lifted 2011’s total to 3,348, down 21 percent from 2010.”

“‘It is truly amazing how much the new home industry has changed. Just five years ago we counted more than 23,200 new home permits,’ Smith commented.”

The Reno Gazette Journal in Nevada. “Statistics from CoreLogic show that 49,641 properties in Reno-Sparks — or 52.2 percent of residential properties with a mortgage — were underwater or upside down during the third quarter. For 2011, it could be possible to see upward movement in home values, not necessarily due to an improvement in market conditions but because of stricter foreclosure requirements resulting from AB 284, say some real estate watchers. The stricter law sharply has reduced the number of default notices filed in Washoe County from 612 in September to 13 in October and 15 in November.”

“‘New homes are unable to match the bargain basement prices of existing homes, over 60 percent of which are being sold in distress. Existing home prices have been relatively flat during the last few months, which is a good thing, but the sheer volume of distressed … and shadow inventory tells me that there’s nowhere but down for home prices until other areas of the economy begin to rebound. The ‘wild card’ in terms of sales volume is AB284, which has basically stopped NODs in Nevada. One thing is for certain: Banks will find a way around this,’ said Brian Kaiser, housing and real estate analyst, Center for Regional Studies, University of Nevada, Reno.”

“‘For 2012, I don’t see notices of default increasing anytime in the near future because I think it will take time for the banks to figure out how to comply with the stricter requirements from AB 284. As a result of that, you’ll probably see less inventory and an uptick in price. But I think this whole situation might cause a false bottom. You’ll still have all this distressed inventory just sitting there, and they have to be dealt with eventually. There’s also the question of whether there will be a trickle or flood of distressed properties entering the market once banks figure out what to do with AB 284,’ said Ken Wiseman, broker-owner, Reno Rancho Realty.”

The Associated Press. “Donna West could once name the homeowners on her affluent Las Vegas street. Then came the recession, the vacant homes, and the parade of anonymous renters. ‘To me, the recession hasn’t ended,’ said West, a 55-year-old retired state worker. ‘We have more foreclosures happening in my neighbourhood than a year ago.’”

“‘We are like somebody who is wearing a lead weight. We have jumped off the dock and finally stopped sinking, but that just means we are at the bottom of the sea,’ said Elliot Parker, an economist with the University of Nevada, Reno.”

“Evangelina Rodeiles works the night shift at the cafeteria at the Venetian casino-hotel on the Las Vegas Strip. Her house value has dropped from US$155,000 to US$80,000 in the past six years. Her husband is an under-employed construction worker. ‘I want to believe things are getting better, but I don’t see it,’ she said.”

The Aspen Times in Colorado. “Property tax collections for close to 50 taxing districts in Pitkin County will total $103.1 million in 2011, down 12 percent from 2010. Bills for the 2011 taxes will go out in mid-January, and not everyone will see a decrease despite the overall decline in collections. In the city of Aspen’s West End neighborhood, for example, a home valued at $3.7 million in 2011 will pay $9,402 in 2011 property taxes (with the bill that arrives next month). In 2010, the home was valued at $4.4 million and its tax bill was $9,354, according to records on file at the county assessor’s office.”

“‘In a declining market, it can be frustrating. The value of your property has dropped and yet your property taxes are going up,’ said John Redmond, county finance director.”

“On the other hand, an Aspen condo valued at $1.125 million in 2011 will see a 2011 property tax bill of $2,835. In 2010, the condo was valued at $1.83 million and saw a tax bill of $3,910. The condo’s value dropped about 27.5 percent. Because its value declined by more than 18.5 percent (the increase in the overall mill levy), its owner will see a drop in the property tax bill.”

‘In the midvalley, where property values generally dropped more substantially with the latest revaluation, property owners may be more likely to see a drop in their tax bills. A Basalt single-family home valued at $582,000 in 2011, for example, will see a tax bill of $3,477. In 2010, the home was valued at $878,400, and the tax bill was $4,248. The drop in that property’s tax bill comes despite a voter-approved tax increase for the Roaring Fork School District.”

“Dear Editor: I was recently in Dayton, Ohio. I stayed at a friend’s who lives in a multiuse development, akin to the Village at Crystal River (VCR) proposed for Carbondale: attractively built and depressing as hell. I wondered what the rich farmland that had been there looked like. Dayton’s economy is ‘in crisis.’”

“It got me thinking about Orange County, which reportedly used to have orange groves, as far as the eye could see. Now, it’s malls and multi-use developments, as far as the eye can see. And traffic: farther than the eye can see. Are they saving the economy? Hardly. The fastest-developed, Las Vegas and much of Florida, also happen to be the most depressed places in the country. Development for its own sake is disaster.”

“Think about California and other places that succumbed to ill-conceived development: so much building, with no thought to the future, the existing beauty of the place, or the actual needs of communities. (We don’t need 164 more housing units. How many for sale signs are in every neighborhood in Carbondale, including RVR? Do you know there will be 700 foreclosures in Garfield County this year?) Remember the lessons California gave us.”




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Comment by Joe
2011-12-28 10:21:00

West, whose idyllic neighbourhood has been overrun by foreclosures in recent years, said there was no bright side.

“We are losing our community.”

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It’s Vegas, sweetie. You never had a “community.”

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-12-28 10:43:31

“Evangelina Rodeiles works the night shift at the cafeteria at the Venetian casino-hotel on the Las Vegas Strip. Her house value has dropped from US$155,000 to US$80,000 in the past six years. Her husband is an under-employed construction worker. ‘I want to believe things are getting better, but I don’t see it,’ she said.”

And the public still clings to the false notion that building and selling depreciating houses at grossly inflated prices is;

a) The answer to our problems
b) Coming back

Why is that?

Comment by Ben Jones
2011-12-28 10:50:36

I thought it was interesting that the Nevada law greatly reduced foreclosures, yet is anyone saying that it helped anything?

Comment by Blue Skye
2011-12-28 19:07:21

It should make things more real in court. That shouldn’t hurt anybody, except maybe the sleaze bankers.

Comment by Timmy
2011-12-29 00:17:39

Would you lend money to somebody buying a home… Knowing that u cannot foreclose… If they stop making their payment?

These measures should push up the cost of borrowing.. Since risk rises.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2011-12-29 09:20:18

“These measures should push up the cost of borrowing”

That’s where Fed and GSE-funded lending comes into play. Without federally-sponsored measures to funnel your tax dollars into mortgages, borrowing costs would indeed go up.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2011-12-28 11:16:37

In the city of Aspen’s West End neighborhood, for example, a home valued at $3.7 million in 2011 will pay $9,402 in 2011 property taxes (with the bill that arrives next month). In 2010, the home was valued at $4.4 million and its tax bill was $9,354, according to records on file at the county assessor’s office.

Isn’t that the property tax bill on a 400K house on the east coast?

Comment by Elanor
2011-12-28 13:38:01

Homes in Aspen’s West End tend to be Victorian-era miner’s cottages on small lots, and are absurdly overpriced. Even so, that tax bill is miniscule.

 
Comment by Steve W
2011-12-28 14:29:13

Jeepers, yes, that’s less than my property tax bill for a “425K” house in the near west suburbs of Chicago…

My Cook County Assessor estimated property value is down about 20% from the peak (2008), however, my taxes are actually higher now because of the “equalization factor”, whatever the heck that is. Actually, I know exactly what that is–it’s the county’s way of making sure tax revenues don’t go down with lower property values…

 
 
Comment by Erik
2011-12-28 11:44:19

The Nevada foreclosure bill is silly, like all of its kind. jailhouse lawyer BS about paperwork chains, and all that, simply evades the central point which is all these people really do owe the money which they borrowed and have stopped paying back. What’s really to be gained by placing stumbling blocks in the path of foreclosures? It’s not as though people not in default have been losing their houses because of bank impetuosity…
All this accomplishes is kicking the can down the road and ensure more squatting activity instead of moving towards the goal of clearing out the backlog. What the legislature should be doing is requiring banks to assert their rights quickly by making failure to do so within 12 months of default evidence of relinquishing their legal interest in the subject property and allowing the owner of record prima facie grounds for prevailing in a quiet title suit against the note holder.

 
Comment by Lionel
2011-12-28 13:02:40

“In the movie Groundhog Day, Bill Murray keeps waking up to live the same day over and over again. President Obama might feel the same way about the troubled U.S. housing market.”

That’s amusing. A buddy of mine actually lives in the town they filmed Groundhog Day, Woodstock, IL. He is very frugal and is tempted to buy a house, but he can’t pull the trigger because there are is such a vast inventory that he might not be able to sell easily if he had to move.

Comment by Muggy
2011-12-28 18:05:41

“In the movie Groundhog Day, Bill Murray keeps waking up to live the same day over and over again.”

Damn, I love that movie.

Ned, is that you, Ned?

 
 
Comment by BetterRenter
2011-12-28 15:39:48

Days away from 2012, and the denial is still deep and abiding. I got thrown off a prominent local blog for continuing to insist that house prices on average are still heading down, down, down. I stood by my principles and was finally banned for good. This was a blog where I’d met new friends on, whom I see in real life. That’s how serious this is to me.

Some of the esteemed posters here believe we’re in the 3rd or 4th inning. No, this is just Inning One. Denial is the dominant feeling on average. Since so many people are adjusting their Denial through court actions and a simple refusal to pay their mortgage (which the criminal bankers are colluding on), the Anger phase simply hasn’t arrived yet. Yes, it’s rising. Yes, some foreclosed losers are getting very angry. But they are simply the minority.

After that, there will be the Bargaining phase. Lots of people will be shuffling their living quarters in an attempt to Bargain their way out of accepting their foolish, initial buying decision. You can find people doing that now, in bidding on new properties (’catching a falling knife’) as they largely let the old, overpriced ones go. But they are still in the minority, and there are a lot of investment groups overbearing these Bargainers.

The Depression phase is nowhere to be found. People may be depressed mentally, but they are using Denial, Anger and Bargaining to push it aside. When D, A and B are exhausted, only then will the Depression phase of grief begin.

And, Acceptance? That will come in the late 2020s.

This is a generational change, which requires generational time to play out. Our Denial stage is transforming to Anger. That’s about a 3- to 5-yr process. Allow 3-5 years per phase. That means you cannot obtain a rational restoration of the housing market at anything less than 3×5=15 years past about 2008. That’s 2023 AD. You’re going to see regions subject to 25 years, meaning they won’t see a return to a rational market until the 2030s.

And some regions like the rustiest parts of the Midwest (like mine) will never, ever recover. House prices will continue to fall there, govt actions will keep interfering in any civilian recovery process, and deflation will be the rule there for what’s going to be most of the lives of Gen-X (like moi). Finding and holding a job will consume most lives, and what we’ll see on the TV from the coasts will just be fiction. The consumer collapse of the nation must originate here.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2011-12-28 16:42:34

Personally, I think people will work through the other phases faster than they have the Denial phase.

My reason? Denial is about denying what is happening, and stalling recognition. It should take longer.

The other phases are about dealing emotionally with the process. I think they should move more quickly.

Bargaining, however, may take some time… :-)

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-12-28 18:57:46

Better Renter, from your lips to God’s ears.

It’s come clear to me that there are NAR and CAR PR thugs here on this blog, Marketwatch and HP. Those are the sites I know of.

 
Comment by goon squad
2011-12-28 21:28:30

This is such a beautiful comment :) Meanwhile some of us will continue to RENT at less than 15% of our incomes, saving for the event of being *forced* to live on Lucky Ducky wages at 50% of our incomes or on *no* income, but otherwise living and loving life without the mortgage-albatross of a 30 year note.

Renter rule, loan-owners drool, suckerz :)

 
Comment by ahansen
2011-12-28 22:44:42

Glad you’re feeling better, bitter. :-)

 
Comment by dratfin
2011-12-29 00:39:59

LOL this is just silly. Housing bottomed in most of the majors in 2009. It has been flat or inching upward since then. Austin TX has been skyward since 2003. Hate to break it to you, but we are in a weak recovery economically and we are at a bottom in RRE.

 
 
Comment by dratfin
2011-12-29 00:35:47

Well, next door here in Austin, TX prices are slated to inch up in already healthy market. Prices have remained stable here and there are healthy flips and investor grade homes being sold back and forth regularly. It’s a real driver in our local economy. There was nary a sign of any bubble here, just healthy growth caused by excitement for the area.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2011-12-29 05:31:01

Typical Iying reaItor mantra.

You fawkin’ liars haven’t an ounce of honesty.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2011-12-29 07:22:04

“investor grade homes”

Ride em cowboy.

Comment by dratfin
2011-12-29 22:04:51

You sound bitter. Maybe you should get out more. Austin Texas is a booming market that missed the bubble. This is something to feel good about, not to gnash your teeth about.

 
 
 
Comment by Rich
2011-12-29 09:04:08

Demographics are destiny. Which group was responsible for the Housing Bubble? Baby Boomers. (There are exceptions, but that is the rule.) The largest, richest group of consumers in American history. How was the Housing Bubble Inflated? Cheap money (Liar loans, low interest rates, etc). Who will take their place and support these unsustainable prices? Generation X and Generation Y. Generation X is half the size of Boomers, so they cannot support it entirely. Generation Y is in debt from College loans. Low salary is the norm now in America not the exception. Add to this mix all the shadow inventory. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot, how many American’s are now on food stamps? And how long can Ben Shalom Bernanke keep interset rates ponzi scheme low? Anyone who thinks that re bottomed in 2009 or than we are in any sort of recovery will be seriously disappointed. Think Japan who’s baby boom was nearly a decade earlier than ours and has seen housing prices fall for over a decade.

 
Comment by dratfin
2011-12-29 22:18:34

I’m not sure why some people on this board get bitter at people that buy. I will also say that just as I saw many perma-bulls during the bubble, I’m seeing many permabears now.

Things don’t move in straight line folks

 
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