January 6, 2012

Selling The Ponzi Scheme

It’s Friday desl clearing time for this blogger. “Huang Qifan, mayor of Chongqing, recently told the Wall Street Journal that the government has a ’sacred responsibility’to cap home prices at a ratio of 6-7 times household income. Huang illustrated his point with data on Chongqing in response to a question asking if he intended to ‘crash’ the property market.”

“In September of this year, the average property price here in Chongqing was 6,300 yuan per square meter (about $985). I think if a three-person family, for them to buy a 60-square-meter condominium, according to this average price it will cost them 500,000 yuan. In the major urban area, the average annual income per person is 20,000 yuan so a three-person family earns about 70,000 yuan per year.”

“So if you do some math here you will find it will cause them really seven years to buy a condo priced at 500,000 yuan. Of course in the years ahead there will be increases of GDP, increases of family income and the price of property will also go up.”

“Single family homeowners in West Vancouver’s British Properties neighbourhood are in for the biggest surprise as the value of a typical home there rose more than 45 per cent from $1.53 million in 2011 to $2.22 million in 2012. Shirley Clarke is the director of sales for the British Properties and she told The Outlook in an email Tuesday that the majority of homes in the tony neighbourhood are bought up by offshore buyers. ‘Most of the buyers are Asian that have bought our real estate,’ Clarke wrote.”

“Area real-estate experts say that the housing market is recovering and that the Chandler numbers aren’t as bad as they appear. Many of today’s buyers are investors and winter visitors, said Chandler real-estate agent Pam Bernard. ‘I have a steady stream of buyers from Canada looking for amazing deals,’ she said.”

“Absentee buyers remain a big part of the housing market, purchasing a record 28.9 percent of Southern California homes in November. The high numbers of available foreclosures can make life hard for builders selling new homes, but that doesn’t mean builders shied away from the market in 2011. At College Park, as well as the Rosena Ranch neighborhood near northern San Bernardino, Lennar altered its strategies by introducing ‘NextGen’ homes, designed to house two generations of the same family.”

“The NextGen homes are designed for seniors moving in with their children or young adults unable to afford to live away from their parents.”

“The median Solano County home price in December, 2001 was $355,000, but had fallen to $185,000 by last month, former Solano Association of Realtors president Todd Willis said. The damage was not as bad, although it was still significant, in Napa County, where the median house sold last month for $335,425 compared to $569,450 in December, 2007, Willis said.”

“‘Consumer spending is going to be lower going forward for two reasons,’ said Jon Havemen, chief economist with the Bay Area Council’s Economic Institute. ‘Consumers have waked up to the fact that ‘Wow, I need to save for retirement, and not only do I need to save, but I don’t have all this money in my house.’”

“Rutherford County Register of Deeds Heather Dawbarn recorded 953 foreclosures in 2011 and encountered many people upset about losing their homes. She encountered a few people who thought they could challenge a foreclosure because the bank that wrote the loan sold the mortgage through an electronic recording system. ‘If you read your deed of trust and you have signed it, it does say your mortgage company has the right to sell that deed of trust,’ said Dawbarn, noting that some people attempted to assign themselves as the trustee. ‘I’ve yet to see one avoid foreclosure.’”

“‘You have to make your payments, that’s the thing,’ Dawbarn said. ‘If you make your payments, then you are not going to have a problem.’”

“‘We can see a spike (in bankruptcy activity) depending on what the mortgage companies are doing,’ said J. Todd Malaise, a San Antonio bankruptcy lawyer. ‘It seems like they go through their waves where they will aggressively foreclose one month and then the next they won’t. So you can always tell when they’re being aggressive.’”

“Malaise added that about 90 percent of the debtors he’s met bought their homes between 2005 and 2008, when the credit markets were especially loose. Bankruptcy lawyer Rick Flume sees debtors who are struggling not only with debt but with a loss of pay, so they’re in a house they can no longer afford. In those circumstances, he said, bankruptcy isn’t going to help them because they have to continue making house payments.”

“‘They don’t have enough for their housing,’ Flume said. ‘They need the money for those more basic living expenses, such as gas for the car, insurance for the car, food. If you want to keep your stuff, you have to keep paying for your stuff,’ he added.”

“After losing their jobs (or their homes to foreclosure), millions of people doubled up with friends or relatives. At the same time, young adults stayed in their parents’ homes longer while they searched for good jobs. But sooner or later, most of these people will create their own households, ratcheting up demand for apartments and homes. ‘Kids can choose to stay in their parents’ houses longer, or young adults can live with roommates longer, but at some point, something’s got to give,’ said Robert Denk, an economist with the National Association of Home Builders. ‘To be in your 30s or 40s and still living in your parents’ basement, that’s just not going to work.’”

“Many buyers have held back because they think that home prices will keep dropping. ‘Most people don’t want to buy in a market where prices are falling, because you lose your equity right off the bat,’ said Patrick Newport, an economist with IHS Global Insight.”

“A report released earlier this month by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis shows wages across Northwest Georgia down from 2007. Many of those wage losses come from the region’s manufacturing sector, which once was a mainstay of local economies across the region. The true key to a restoration of Northwest Georgia’s manufacturing sector is closely tied to a rebound in the nation’s housing sector. Until housing rebounds, key Northwest Georgia industries cannot begin to return to pre-recession production levels. And the housing news is not good.”

“Mark Vitner, a senior economist with Wells Fargo Securities, told the AP there were roughly 2 million homes in foreclosure nationwide, 2 million homes with delinquent mortgage payments and 2 million bank-owned homes that weren’t even on the market. It all puts downward pressure on prices and makes gauging the true supply of homes difficult. ‘Because of that unknown supply and pressure on home prices, a lot of potential sellers are not putting their homes on the market,’ Vintner told the AP. In addition, ‘builders are holding on to cash’ and staying on the sidelines until a clearer housing recovery takes hold.”

“The dismantling of the Department of Community Affairs by Gov. Rick Scott and the Florida Legislature has put more power into the hands of local governments — a good thing, argues the governor, for development and growth. But just how much growth is too much?”

“Lesley Blacker has teamed up with friend Janet Stanko to launch The Price of Sprawl, a website detailing the consequences of sprawl in counties across the state. Stanko says that Northeast Florida’s St. Johns County is a poster child for over-development — with many large-scale communities sitting empty, and others approved but not yet built. According to Stanko, recent build-out projects in St. Johns contain enough properties to house 182 percent of the current population. Eight percent of homes in the area sit empty; property values have declined 31 percent since 2006.”

“Even Stanko, who obtained her information from a variety of sources, finds the statistics to be almost unbelievable. But, she says, other estimates fall in line with hers. ‘Other information sources show the overall picture is the same: too much development approved and built, too much cost to the taxpayers and not enough water,’ says Stanko.”

“Developers are selling more than their large-scale communities filled with homes, manicured lawns and dozens of amenities. They are selling the idea of a healthy economy. Blackner, for one, isn’t buying it. ‘Development in Florida is a Ponzi scheme,’ she says. ‘Local governments are constantly pushing new developments, saying it will generate great tax money and jobs. But the jobs are construction jobs — they are temporary. They can’t be the main driver of your economy. And the costs to these proposals are to the taxpayers, to the voters.’”




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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-06 08:46:25

But sooner or later, most of these people will create their own households, ratcheting up demand for apartments and homes. ‘Kids can choose to stay in their parents’ houses longer, or young adults can live with roommates longer, but at some point, something’s got to give,’ said Robert Denk, an economist with the National Association of Home Builders. ‘To be in your 30s or 40s and still living in your parents’ basement, that’s just not going to work.’”

Hey Liar……click your heels together when you talk so you might will your wish into existence.

20 MILLION empty houses in the US. But go ahead. Build more.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-06 09:30:42

20 MILLION empty houses in the US

If you put 5 people into each house that’s 100 million people.

It’s gonna take some time to work through that inventory.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-06 09:44:01

How’s that going to work out when families are doubling up across generations to share housing, and household formation is at a multiple-decade low point?

Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-06 10:00:27

I guess if they crank up the Mexodus and convert the surplus into rentals then most of Mexico could move here!

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Comment by barnaby33
2012-01-06 13:53:23

Not to mention so many of the houses are of the wrong type in the wrong places.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-01-06 10:27:05

20 MILLION empty houses in the US.

Source, please? That’s higher than any estimate that I’ve seen…

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-06 11:36:09

http://seekingalpha.com/article/195667-potential-shadow-housing-inventory-now-at-18-million

And that number will continue to grow as boomers head to “adult living” arrangements.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-01-06 12:37:06

Then I call bogus. You says “20 million EMPTY houses” (capitalization mine)

The article referenced says this:


10 million figure came from a simple calculation that, based on a recent survey, eight percent of homeowners are very likely to sell their property if market conditions improve.

Take that potential 10 million and add it to the potential 8 million homeowners who are likely to lose their home through the foreclosure process as detailed in a number of recent reports on the “foreclosure pipeline” and you get a whopping 18 million for the shadow inventory.

“are very likely to sell their property” does NOT imply that the property is empty.

And many of the 8 million in the foreclosure pipeline are not “empty” either.

I don’t doubt that the numbers are large.

But I think they are large enough that they speak for themselves, and we do not need to exaggerate them for effect.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-06 19:11:46

Misrepresent the Global Housing Fraud all you’d like.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Moman
2012-01-06 10:32:47

Not only that, but all these journalists seem to miss the point that the boomers are aging in place. What’s to stop the parents from saying, “you can have this house if we can stay here and you take care of us”. This was the common thing back 100 years ago, and I suspect will become commonplace again. The REIC groups only see the pent up demand from the youngesters, they don’t see the pent up supply from the elders.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-06 12:51:33

Not only that, but all these journalists seem to miss the point that the boomers are aging in place.

Tell me about it! I was just back east visiting my folks. Quite a few empty nesters in that nabe and you guessed it, more than a few of them are boomers. Methinks that quite a few of them will be carried out of their houses.

Then there are the soon-to-be empty nests. These are the homes with kids in college or kids about to go. I don’t think that the parents will be going anywhere anytime soon.

Why? Because more than a few of the college kids boomerang back home after they graduate. Or they live at home while going to school.

Comment by scdave
2012-01-06 15:08:56

Methinks that quite a few of them will be carried out of their houses ??

I have lived here in my neighborhood for 33 years and I am easily the youngest…My immediate neighbors account for 12 houses…I live in a very large cul-da-sac…We have lost four people “total” since I have been here…Every single one have gone out feet first…

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Comment by ahansen
2012-01-06 11:14:38

“…To be in your 30s or 40s and still living in your parents’ basement, that’s just not going to work.’”

Why not? Multi-generational housing worked just fine for most of modern history. It was only after WW2 and the suburbanization of the west that the idea of one-family-unit-per-structure came into popular acceptance — and even then young families doubled up in the parent’s house and Grandma or Auntie lived in the attic or garage unit.

One couple, four bedrooms. That’s not only grossly overconsumptive, given rising energy costs and lowered job options, it’s also increasingly unlikely.

Comment by wolfgirl
2012-01-06 12:08:37

The thing that might keep multigenerational housing from working would be aging adults would want to maintain their own hous. even when it doesn’t make sense. My SIL is one of those even though the grandkids spend a lot of time at her house and she does all of the running with them during the week. And she complains about the problems of keeping up the house and yard. I’m not sure if even financial difficulties would case her to change her mind.

 
Comment by michael
2012-01-06 12:33:31

“…To be in your 30s or 40s and still living in your parents’ basement, that’s just not going to work.’”

isn’t that what the men do Italy?

they stay until they get married.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-06 12:52:42

They certainly do.

And it drives Italian women nuts. Seems that they’re not that into the Italian equivalent of mama’s boys.

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Comment by Steve J
2012-01-06 14:27:45

They stay until they have enough money to purchase a place.

Consumer debt is much much lower in Italy than in the US.

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Comment by ProperBostonian
2012-01-06 17:47:21

“…To be in your 30s or 40s and still living in your parents’ basement, that’s just not going to work.’”

My former neighbor lost her job three years ago. She has been living in her parents’ basement for three years. She has not been able to find anything but temporary jobs. She is in her 40s. I guess some economists don’t understand the job thing.

“One couple, four bedrooms. That’s not only grossly overconsumptive, given rising energy costs and lowered job options, it’s also increasingly unlikely.”

Just visited a friend’s house for the first time today. She’s single, lives in a two-bedroom with three bathrooms and two garages. Who needs three bathrooms? I mean how many can you use at one time?

Comment by skroodle
2012-01-06 17:58:47

One per floor.

When you gotta go, you gotta go.

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Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2012-01-06 21:55:46

“When you gotta go, you gotta go.”
There’s always the woods out back. Bring some toilet paper with you, though; rhododendron leafs suck!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by polly
2012-01-06 08:50:03

“In the major urban area, the average annual income per person is 20,000 yuan so a three-person family earns about 70,000 yuan per year.”

“So if you do some math here you will find it will cause them really seven years to buy a condo priced at 500,000 yuan.”

I’m not sure how 20,000 x 3 comes out to 70,000, but that second sentence is a doozy.

It will take them 7 years to buy a condo if they have zero cost of capital and don’t eat or purchase any other goods or services in that time. Makes it a little hard to earn that 70,00 yuan if you haven’t eaten for a few years.

He is probably assuming they save up the money for the condo, so he is also assuming that they don’t pay rent during those 7 years.

60 square meters is just under 646 square feet.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-06 09:35:37

$80,000 USD for a cramped apartment that probably has neither central heat nor AC. And a family with an 10K annual income is supposed to be able to afford this?

Simply insane.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-06 10:56:56

Hey lighten up! The Chinese invented base 10 math.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-01-06 14:28:48

1.2 kids.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2012-01-06 09:17:18

“To be in your 30s or 40s and still living in your parents’ basement, that’s just not going to work.”

I figure that when our kids are that age, we’ll move to the basement.

Comment by Robin
2012-01-06 18:38:04

Can you do stairs? I can’t!

Thank God there are few homes with basements in SoCal - :)

 
 
Comment by Montana
2012-01-06 09:55:15

J. Todd Malaise, a San Antonio bankruptcy lawyer.

LOL

 
Comment by WPHR_editor
2012-01-06 10:30:30

‘Most of the buyers are Asian that have bought our real estate,’ Clarke wrote.”

Can someone explain to me where all these mystery ‘asians’ are getting their money from? I could understand for a while when Hong Kong went back to the Chinese, businessfolk from there got out and put their money in North America, but where is all this new asian money coming from if the average salary there is 20K yuan…..

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-06 10:37:43

Chinese Central Bank. Where else? They make Benny look like Ludwig von Mises.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-01-06 11:24:12

Multi-national corporations operate out of PRC, too, you know…. (As does the international finance cartel.)

The Chinese entrepreneurial classes are driving real estate bubbles throughout the Pacific Rim– particularly in Australia and Bali. There is always money for oligarchs.

Comment by WPHR_editor
2012-01-06 14:11:36

Fair enough, but how do they then get this money moved to where they can buy the property, and who then owns the title?

What happens when the property market crashes in China because we’re not buying enough plastic crap from them? Will they be forced to liquidate their North American holdings?

I’m really interested in what everyone here might have to say on that…

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-06 14:26:47

What happens when the property market crashes in China because we’re not buying enough plastic crap from them? Will they be forced to liquidate their North American holdings?

Answer to the first question: There will be massive social unrest in China. Which will make Beijing 1989 look like a walk in the park.

Answer to the second question: I think they will. Which means we Americans might just find some sweet deals. (Sorry, Casey Serin, I just couldn’t resist.)

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Comment by Moman
2012-01-06 14:39:08

I think the “Asian buyer” is a myth. The same story held out in the 1980s, when the “Japanese” were buying all of LA, or so that’s what I recall hearing then.

Generally held assumptions:
1. Asian’s tend to save more
2. Asian’s tend to pool money together for purchases

So a few Asians work and save money and come to the US to buy properties, based on an attractive exchange rate.

The same myth is playing out in Florida, where the european and brazilian buyers are snapping up condos, so they have a place to stay each year when they come to disney world. At least that’s how to story goes.

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Comment by WPHR_editor
2012-01-06 10:32:49

And by ‘from there’ I mean China as it is the most populous Asian country, but I can’t imagine that any of the other Asian countries have a much higher average wage outside of perhaps Japan….

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-09 06:15:23

SERENITY NOW! SERENITY NOW!

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-12 06:53:35

-18+P

 
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