January 16, 2012

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Comment by bink
2012-01-16 00:33:41

I didn’t get a chance to read the blog this weekend so I’m not sure if this was posted already:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/in-dc-loan-program-mortgage-defaults-abound/2011/11/29/gIQAPt4Z1P_story.html?hpid=z1

D.C. housing officials have routinely subsidized home purchases that low-income buyers could not afford, paving the way for foreclosures, liens and financial hardships.

Nearly one in five buyers participating in the city’s 35-year-old loan program for first-time homeowners is behind on mortgage payments, city officials said — a default rate that’s at least three times higher than the overall rate in the region. Nearly 50 buyers have received notices of foreclosure in recent years, while more than 50 others have struggled with homeowner association or utility liens, The Washington Post has found.

DeAngelo McDonald, a Metro bus driver and father of six who earns $61,000 a year, financed a $338,000 house in 2008, in part with a loan from the city, paying double what city loan officials had estimated he could afford. His three-bedroom home in Southeast is now in foreclosure.

“I was a first-time home buyer thinking that everything was on the up and up,” said McDonald, 48, who declared bankruptcy in 2009. “At any minute, we could be out on the street. It’s heartbreaking. It’s scary. I don’t know what could happen, especially with my kids.”

It just gets worse and worse.. this thing.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 07:16:51

“It’s heartbreaking. It’s scary.”

Sure, you haven’t made a mortgage payment in at least two years. You should have a few month’s rent money saved up.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-01-16 07:21:43

DeAngelo McDonald, a Metro bus driver and father of six ??

Tie a knot in it buddy…Gee’s..Six kids…

Comment by palmetto
2012-01-16 08:40:39

If you can’t feed ‘em, don’t breed ‘em. All you end up doing is producing cannon fodder for the elites.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-01-16 08:58:00

Wrong. Very, very few are cannon fodder. Most become recipients of government cheese, paid for by us. An endless welfare class that sustains itself by voting for more handouts. The LEFT says these folks have “reproductive rights”. OF course, we don’t have any choice when the taxman comes to the door demanding we pay for it.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 09:25:58

One’s reproductive rights are supported by the other’s productive responsibilities.

 
Comment by whyoung
2012-01-16 09:30:00

Aren’t a class of exploitable minimum wage serfs somewhat akin to cannon fodder?

And can you please refresh my memory on just who wants to reduce/restrict access to family planning information and techniques that might encourage people to procreate more thoughtfully?

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-16 09:48:07

“Wrong. Very, very few are cannon fodder.”

BS.

It is why the poor view military service as an option. It’s there only economic opportunity.

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-01-16 09:49:07

“access to family planning information and techniques”.
You mean more government bureaucrats and agencies, don’t you? You really believe people need a government agency to tell them about “birth control”, or being responsible?
What’s amazing is that anyone can say yes to such proposals with a straight face.
As for this particular person, or anyone else, I don’t really care how many children they have. I simply don’t want government programs to allow them to breed indiscriminately. Things like free food/lunch programs. Free medical care. Now, it’s even free diapers being proposed…….All to make the care/feeding of children, the responsibility of the STATE, i.e. other people.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 09:52:26

“An endless welfare class that sustains itself by voting for more handouts.”

Judging from the welfare recipients I have met in my lifetime (and I have met a few), I seriously doubt that a very high percentage of them vote. Rather they rely on the symbiosis with relatively wealthier liberal Democratic voters who champion welfare programs.

 
Comment by whyoung
2012-01-16 10:18:02

I didn’t mention a government agency…

But I was thinking of education and access and that our society should send out an emphatic message that responsible parenthood means only having wanted children who can be be properly raised.

When I was in a public school in the mid 1970’s we had a rep. from Planned Parenthood come in and give talks on contraception and STD’s. I remember passing around diaphragms and IUD’s, etc. in class and knowing there were places you could go to get contraceptives without being judged.

My parents weren’t comfortable/approachable on the topic and those classes gave me information I needed to protect myself. AND in a heavily Catholic neighborhood I don’t remember any parents objecting. The idea of teaching “abstinence only” is a joke.

I’m not sure when this disappeared in the schools, but I’ll admit I was a bit shocked to realize this was no longer routinely taught, as just last summer there was a big controversy in NYC about requiring sex ed classes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/nyregion/in-new-york-city-a-new-mandate-on-sex-education.html

Now, as to support of the living, that is a very complicated topic for which I don’t have a good answer.
But I can’t see how people who claim to have great concern for the not-yet-born don’t also want to figure out how to minimize the number of unplanned births and ways have the born become productive members of society.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 10:31:11

It is why the poor view military service as an option. It’s there only economic opportunity.

Yup, half the boys in my daughter’s graduating high school class tried to sign up. In the US pretty much everyone knows or even has relatives who are serving or who have served in our volunteer military. I know I do, and I don’t even ang out with that crowd. In other countries it’s a rarity.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-01-16 10:37:52

Several major religions oppose all birth control.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-01-16 10:40:31

“access to family planning information and techniques”.
You mean more government bureaucrats and agencies, don’t you? “

Sounds like Planned Parenthood to me.

“You really believe people need a government agency to tell them about “birth control”, or being responsible?”

You would be amazed at the misinformation propounded by teenage peers before sex education was part of the curriculum in the schools.

The real point is that if we want people to control their fertility, then we need to make information and means available. “Just say no” to sex has never been effective for most of the population. And there is a group of politicians with “family values” that want to reduce access to birth control and abortion.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-01-16 10:42:46

“Most become recipients of government cheese, paid for by us.”

A Metro bus driver is a recipient of government cheese? He may get a government paycheck, but he provides a service. In my book, he is not a member of the welfare class.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-01-16 11:32:57

recipient of government cheese ??

6 kids X $7,500. per head for public school in my area…That’s $585,000. to get all six through high school….I say that’s a big ole block of cheese…

How about an allotment…Everyone gets three….You have one child you still have two left…You have 6 children you gotta pay for the extra three…

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 12:03:02

The real point is that if we want people to control their fertility, then we need to make information and means available.

In Iran, women of reproductive age can get free birth control from their national government. Yes, your read that right. In Iran.

 
Comment by Avocado
2012-01-16 12:30:39

The left (Clinton) handed the right (bush) a fat surplus.

I prefer the left when it comes to spending my money.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-01-16 13:10:36

The Republican nominee for president will belong to a religion that does not allow women the use of birth control.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-01-16 13:39:04

You’re saying Romney isn’t going to get the nomination?

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2012-01-16 17:43:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJo0MT3wDBs

Been around the world and found that only stupid people are breeding,
The cretins cloning and feeding,
And I don’t even own a TV….

(Harvey Danger, “Flagpole Sitta”)

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-01-16 08:00:17

i“At any minute, we could be out on the street. It’s heartbreaking. It’s scary. I don’t know what could happen, especially with my kids.”

Actually this was the scary part, Mr. McDonald. You just didn’t recognize it as such.

DeAngelo McDonald, a Metro bus driver and father of six who earns $61,000 a year, financed a $338,000 house in 2008

We’re in a higher tax bracket than Mr. McDonald. We wouldn’t touch a house of that price especially when he’s got four more mouths to feed, clothe and educate than us. My gosh, even $279k makes us a bit unsure. Mr. McDonald was doomed from the start.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-01-16 09:04:56

I’m sorry, but you left out the most important part of the sentence……”in part with a loan from the city, paying double what city loan officials had estimated he could afford.”
In part, with a loan from the C i t y.

Which says what? Yes, even the government stooges had “standards” or “maximum amounts” that should be given, based on income. But what happened?
That’s right. They gave him the money anyway. Leave it to the government to help. They should have said, “No. I’m sorry, we won’t lend to you outside this range of “affordability”".
The government stooges apparently said “yes”.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-01-16 12:12:32

That’s the part that stood out for me as well. I’m surprised that made it to print. Total head-scratcher.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-01-16 10:49:54

“We wouldn’t touch a house of that price”

You do realize that house prices (and rents) are significantly higher in DC than in upstate NY. There may be nothing available cheaper than 338K. And equivalent rents may not be any better, based on oxide’s information.

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 12:20:04

“You do realize that house prices (and rents) are significantly higher in DC than in upstate NY. There may be nothing available cheaper than 338K. And equivalent rents may not be any better, based on oxide’s information.”

From realtytrac
District Of Columbia Foreclosures (176)

176 foreclosures in DC? I walk my dog past that many every night.

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Comment by jbunniii
2012-01-17 16:40:08

You do realize that house prices (and rents) are significantly higher in DC than in upstate NY. There may be nothing available cheaper than 338K. And equivalent rents may not be any better, based on oxide’s information.

That may all be true, but how does that make someone earning $61k/year any more able to afford a $338k house?

If he can’t afford to buy OR rent, then he should either move somewhere cheaper or get into a shared housing situation.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-01-16 13:10:58

DeAngelo McDonald, a Metro bus driver and father of six who earns $61,000 a year, financed a $338,000 house in 2008

Who cares about the numbers? The banks gave the loans and the taxpayer bailed out the banks. It’s all good.

 
Comment by rms
2012-01-16 19:45:03

Mr. McDonald was doomed from the start.

And his realtor, mortgage broker and lender knew that too.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 09:45:16

“D.C. housing officials have routinely subsidized home purchases that low-income buyers could not afford, paving the way for foreclosures, liens and financial hardships.”

It seems as though by encouraging the purchase of unaffordable owner-occupied housing, low-income housing policy has played a major role in destroying the financial stability of low-income households.

Was that the objective? And if not, has anyone who supports this kind of program come clean on the unintended consequences.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 11:55:56

Surely no harm was intended. Houses would make everyone rich. The debt was not risky because the value of the house would always go up.

It’s funny how quickly we forget what was absolute truth just a few years ago.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 04:18:18

Protests Over Austerity Measures Turn Violent in Romania
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: January 15, 2012

BUCHAREST, Romania (AP) — Romania’s government called an emergency meeting late Sunday to discuss violent protests that showed no sign of abating, after demonstrators angry about austerity measures hurled stones and firebombs at the police here in the capital. At least 13 people were injured.

More than 1,000 protesters clashed with police officers, who used tear gas and flares to repel demonstrators who blocked a main road in Bucharest. One man was briefly set on fire during the chaos.

The interior minister, Traian Igas, called an emergency meeting to deal with the crisis.

The protests, in their fourth day, were the most serious since President Traian Basescu came to power in 2004. They are the result of frustration over public-sector wage cuts, reduced benefits, higher taxes, cronyism in state institutions and widespread corruption.

Demonstrators yelled, “The Mafioso government stole everything we had!” and “Get out, you miserable dog!” — a popular expression of contempt used to refer to Mr. Basescu. Protesters roamed through the center of the capital, and Mayor Sorin Oprescu called on them to refrain from acts of violence.

Antena 3 TV reported that shops in the vicinity of the protest had been vandalized.

“We are here to protest, we cannot face it any more, we have no money to survive, our pensions are so small, the expenses are more than we can afford,” said a demonstrator who would identify himself only as Sorin. “It’s no way to live.”

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2012-01-16 06:40:56

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/01/2012114221144799225.html

One thousand protesters is a relatively small number, but could represent a tremor before a coming earthquake. Holders of Austrian bonds should probably be nervous, given that country’s level of exposure to eastern European debt and the rising anger against austerity measures imposed so banksters can be repaid.

 
Comment by goon squad
2012-01-16 06:45:23

The long hot summer, coming soon to this country…

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-01-16 07:19:52

Has anyone ever asked why these countries (including the U.S.) borrowed all that money in the first place? Did they ever really believe they could pay it back? Or was default the intention all along?

Comment by scdave
2012-01-16 07:31:02

Or was default the intention all along ??

When you view your revenue stream as a hose bib that you can just open up a little further then taking on debt or making lavish financial forward commitments is Inconsequential…

The state of California and its municipalities are a perfect example of this….

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 08:29:31

Has anyone ever asked why these countries (including the U.S.) borrowed all that money in the first place?

In the USA it’s very obvious: We had to borrow because:
1) We gave huge tax cuts to the wealthy
2) We spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined.

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-01-16 09:15:01

That’s just a load of crap. I agree the military budget is out of control. The rest of the problem has nothing to do with “tax cuts” for the wealthy. It has to do with overspending. Period.
And, if you read the story, we have the same problem.
Too many goodies promised to parasites:

“They are the result of frustration over public-sector wage cuts, reduced benefits, higher taxes, cronyism in state institutions and widespread corruption”.

We have the same problems here.
We spend 24% on “Defense”, which includes a lot of other crap than the military. WE spend 17% on “income security”, which is Welfare. We spend 20% on Social Security. Most of the things government is supposed to be doing, like providing for police protection and a system of legal redress (courts) take only a small fraction of the government budget.
While the Military budget should be cut by at least 25%, the idea that government should be providing “healthcare” is absurd. Medicare/Medicaid/ and social services comprise a larger portion of the budget than the military. These roles have no place in a national government. They should be cut drastically. But they won’t. People want free cheese. They have found they can vote themselves free cheese, so the budgets won’t get CUT. They will grow, until we collapse.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-01-16 09:39:34

Question;

Is Health Care a right or a privilege ??

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 10:01:01

‘The rest of the problem has nothing to do with “tax cuts” for the wealthy.’

Just the facts, ma’am.

The Average Bush Tax Cut For The 1 Percent This Year Will Be Greater Than The Average Income Of The Other 99 Percent

By Pat Garofalo on Nov 23, 2011 at 12:05 pm

As Occupy Wall Street protestors continue to demonstrate across the country, congress’ fiscal super committee failed to craft a deficit reduction package due to Republican refusal to consider tax increases on the super wealthy. In fact, the only package that the GOP officially submitted to the committee included lowering the top tax rate from 35 percent to 28 percent, even as new research shows that the optimal top tax rate is closer to 70 percent.

Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), who co-chaired the super committee, explained that the major sticking point during negotiations with the GOP was what to do with the Bush tax cuts. With that in mind, the National Priorities Project points out that those tax cuts this year will give the richest 1 percent of Americans a bigger tax cut than the other 99 percent will receive in average income:

The average Bush tax cut in 2011 for a taxpayer in the richest one percent is greater than the average income of the other 99 percent ($66,384 compared to $58,506).

The super committee failed to grapple with the extraordinarily costly Bush tax cuts for the richest—tax policies that, according to the Congressional Budget Office, cost more in added federal debt than they add in additional economic activity,” explained Jo Comerford, NPP’s Executive Director. Frank Knapp, vice chairman of the American Sustainable Business Council, added in a statement yesterday, “the high-end Bush tax cuts are a big part of the problem – not the solution…It’s obscene to keep slashing infrastructure and services for everybody on Main Street to keep up tax giveaways for millionaires and multinational corporations.”

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 10:11:13

“That’s just a load of crap.”

Really? Is that why Bush inherited a balanced budget, and in spite of presiding over a bubble economy (as Clinton did) he managed to turn the balanced budget into huge deficits?

Also, I seem to recall that CBO projections estimate that the deficits will close after the Bush tax cuts sunset and the wars end.

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-01-16 10:23:02

Health care is a personal responsibility. You are responsible for your health, and I am responsible for mine.
The basics of “healthcare” are DIET and EXERCISE. If you fail to take care of your health, then you will require “medical care”.
If you become Obese, like so many people in this country, then you will likely get High Blood pressure and diabetes.
Consequently, you will need medical care.
Stupid ideas about “healthcare” being medical care is how we come up with the idea that governments should provide your treatments.
How did the greater society become responsible for other peoples bad eating and exercising choices?
Most of the things people have long-term problems with have to do with personal choices, like Smoking, Drinking, drug use, tasty food choices, and failure to maintain a healthy weight.

I would say “healthcare” is a “right” such as the right to life, in the sense that the government has not right to take it from you without “due process”, a right to personally do the things that you choose to do to keep yourself healthy. Like any other “right”, it doesn’t involve the greater community providing you “benefits” or services. As such, I should be able to buy vitamins, without the government putting limits on to what I can consume and how much. Most recently, the FDA, has tried to make vitamins a form of “controlled substance”. Such proposals are absurd, but that’s what happens when you get government bureaucrats involved with “healthcare”.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 10:32:49

We spend 20% on Social Security

Which is funded through the payroll tax and has nothing to do with the deficit. If anything, it has helped to hide the deficit.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-01-16 10:41:12

They borrowed due to the low interest rates.

Instead of Romainians paying 20% at local banks, Austrian banks offered them loans at 3%.

It was a great deal at the time.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 10:45:28

the idea that government should be providing “healthcare” is absurd.

Yeah, our private, for profit system works so well, that’s why we spend twice per capita than our neighbors to the north (who live longer than we do) while having tens of millions without coverage.

The greatest irony in the US is that it’s the middle class that is being forced to “do without” in our current system where everyone is being pushed into high deductible plans or are uninsured (especially if they are self employed).

But don’t mind me. As our for profit, private health insurance premiums continue to grow at 15% per annum, in just 10 more years insurance will be FOUR HUNDRED PERCENT (1.15^10) of what it costs today.

Of course we will be scared with the bogeyman of “socialized health care rationing” while we already self ration our healthcare due to the huge deductibles.

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-01-16 11:39:13

Again, you are confused. This is “MEDICAL CARE”, not healthcare. NO one buys healthcare insurance, they buy medical care insurance. There is a huge difference and only LEFTIST’s think one is the same as the other.
You cannot buy healthcare. If you don’t follow your doctors advice and become OBESE and diabetic, you will get high blood pressure, heart problems and have many other problems.
Because people can get FREE Medical Care, they don’t work on their own healthcare.

All your statistical quotes don’t mean a thing. The lifespan of each of these countries is remarkably similar, regardless of how much money you throw away on MEDICAL CARE. If people don’t think they need to provide themselves with HEALTHCARE, then the costs of Medical Care will continue to rise, and the more government provides, the more “NEED” people will find. They won’t take 2 aspirin and go to bed for a cold, instead they will go to the doctor at the first sniffle and ask to be treated. That’s what always happens.
This added “COST” is the result of providing a service that is cheap or free. Whenever anything is FREE, demand increases.
MEDICARE AND MEDICAID have Grossly distorted the “cost” of medical care in this country and have done nothing to provide “healthcare”.
Healthcare requires INDIVIDUAL responsibility. If you can’t understand these simple, basic ideas, there is no point in trying to discuss this whole subject.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 12:10:44

Again, you are confused. This is “MEDICAL CARE”, not healthcare. NO one buys healthcare insurance, they buy medical care insurance. There is a huge difference and only LEFTIST’s think one is the same as the other. You cannot buy healthcare. If you don’t follow your doctors advice and become OBESE and diabetic, you will get high blood pressure, heart problems and have many other problems. Because people can get FREE Medical Care, they don’t work on their own healthcare.

I just got off the phone with my non-obese, took care of himself his entire life father. Today is his birthday, and I’m not sure that he understood that. His mind is to that point now.

What do you say to families like mine? We take care of ourselves, but terrible things still happen. Look at my father, for example. As I said above, he took care of himself his entire life. What’s happening to him now is NOT his fault, and yes, he worked very hard to stay healthy.

What DO you say to families like mine? Go die over there in the corner? Too bad about your dad? What do you say to us? Huh?

 
Comment by mathguy
2012-01-16 12:25:58

Arizona,

Your dad sounds like a stand up guy. I don’t understand what you are asking though… We are all going to get old, you and me included… If your dad had his whole adult life to plan for that, what does his living will say? Does he want to be in a rest home, or does he want to live with his children? Did he ever talk about this stuff with you?

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-01-16 12:31:50

“That’s just a load of crap.”

Per “Bush tax cuts” on Wiki:

“In August 2010, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated that extending the tax cuts for the 2011-2020 time period would add $3.3 trillion to the national debt, comprising $2.65 trillion in foregone tax revenue plus another $0.66 trillion for interest and debt service costs.[25]

The non-partisan Pew Charitable Trusts estimated in May 2010 that extending some or all of the tax cuts would have the following impact under these scenarios:

-Making the tax cuts permanent for all taxpayers, regardless of income, would increase the national debt $3.3 trillion over the next 10 years.
-Limiting the extension to individuals making less than $200,000 and married couples earning less than $250,000 would increase the debt about $2.2 trillion in the next decade.
-Extending the tax cuts for all taxpayers for only two years would cost $561 billion over the next 10 years.[26]

The non-partisan Congressional Research Service has estimated the 10-year revenue loss from extending the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts beyond 2010 at $2.9 trillion, with an additional $606 billion in debt service costs (interest), for a combined total of $3.5 trillion.”

But you are right about one thing. I’ll say it for you since you’re leaving it out. “Tax cut and spend” sure was a misguided idea. And the tone for that was set in 2001 and 2003. Were you complaining then?

 
Comment by Al
2012-01-16 12:53:57

Diogenes, your differentiation between health care and medical care is important, but it to me it supports a public system over a private one. A single payer system has an incentive to implement preventive programs, as the SP system will reap the benefit. You see that here in Canada. Preventive programs are a waste for a private insurer as a competitor could well reap the benefit. Besides, it’s cheaper to use legal loop holes to deny medical care than to encourage health care. An SP system elimates such considerations.

“If you don’t follow your doctors advice and become OBESE and diabetic, you will get high blood pressure, heart problems and have many other problems.”

What if you can’t afford to see a doctor to get advice, or to help you identify what the warning signs are? Possibly an expensive trip to a hospital that you can’t afford.

“Because people can get FREE Medical Care, they don’t work on their own healthcare.”

Nonsense. People don’t work on the own healthcare for a variety of reasons (too lazy, ignoring warning signs, don’t believe ‘it’ will happen to them, etc.) I doubt there are any studies that show uninsured Americans are more carefull about their healthcare.

Also, medical care is never FREE. It costs time, and it’s inconvenient. That’s why people don’t go to the doctor for a sniffle.

And of course as Arizona has pointed out, what is your answer for the people who need medical care and can’t afford it?

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-01-16 13:12:47

I saw a stat that said each dollar spent on prenatal care saved $20.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-01-16 13:36:18

“Your dad sounds like a stand up guy. I don’t understand what you are asking though… We are all going to get old, you and me included…”

Bad things happen to young people, too. I know of several young, skinny, athletic people with diabetes. My daughter had kidney failure at 23 - idiopathic. They don’t know what caused it. She was skinny and took care of herself.

 
Comment by mathguy
2012-01-16 13:55:05

Well, I would agree with you that catastrophic disability for the young should exist at the state level, also orphanages. Maybe instead of unemployment, we should have the unemployed paid to take care of the disabled, sick, and elderly? The worse employment is, the better taken care of the disabled are??? Also, those without a job get a dose of “I really don’t have it THAT bad”.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-01-16 23:48:08

sc
Neither, health care is a commodity.

 
 
Comment by SV guy
2012-01-16 09:08:51

“Or was default the intention all along?”

Imo, yes absolutely. Submission through debt.

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Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2012-01-16 10:51:57

“Has anyone ever asked why these countries (including the U.S.) borrowed all that money in the first place?”

It is the only way to fund trade imbalances and widening wealth disparity.

We start off-shoring jobs. Poeple have less money. They stop spending. Government prints debt. Stagflation.

Deregulate banking and fund the economy of ever expanding debt… poof… we can fund imports and widening wealth disparity.

Debt increasing at 3x the sustainable rate? What could possibly go wrong?

Germany wanted to sell stuff to the rest of Europe, but Europe had nothing Germany wanted to buy. So, Germany sold by first loaning the trading partners the money they needed to buy stuff.

Now, Germany either needs to reverse the trzade imbalance and start buying from those other nations, or those other nations will default and Germans will learn they did a lot of work in exchange for worthless IOUs.

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Comment by Posers
2012-01-16 16:48:24

Thatcher: Socialism is great until you run out of someone else’s money.

Romania, you just ran out of other people’s money.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 04:22:26

Proposed “Man of the year” candidate: The credit rating agencies

16 January 2012 Last updated at 04:31 ET
Article written by Gavin Hewitt Europe editor
European austerity: More pain than gain?

There is no disguising that in certain European quarters the ratings agencies are feared and resented.

The EU’s Economics Commissioner, Olli Rehn, was probably speaking for many when he said he found the decision to downgrade nine eurozone countries “inconsistent”.

He felt that Standard and Poor’s had not taken into account all the steps the EU had made to tackle the crisis, like increased discipline over budgets.

The French Prime Minister, Francois Fillon, said the downgrade was “badly timed”. A French presidential adviser said the decision was “worse than pyromaniac firemen, it’s seriously perverse”.

As the crisis deepens in Europe the temptation to shoot the messenger grows. There are those who advocate that Europe needs its own - perhaps tamer - ratings agencies.

Perhaps the most interesting reason for the downgrade was Standard and Poor’s judgement that austerity alone might be self-defeating.

Some European countries and officials might retort that they were muscled into making spending cuts and raising taxes to bring down deficits by the agencies and the bond markets.

Now they are being warned of the dangers of austerity.

Shackled with debts

The “cult of austerity” has always been controversial. The doubts are increasing. There are those who say that Greece is now trapped in a spiral of decline. The Washington Post last week asked whether austerity was “killing the Greek economy”.

The assessment given to debts and borrowers by a ratings agency according to their safety from an investment standpoint - based on their creditworthiness, or the ability of the company or government that is borrowing to repay. Ratings range from AAA, the safest, down to D, a company that has already defaulted. Ratings of BBB- or higher are considered “investment grade”. Below that level, they are considered “speculative grade” or more colloquially as junk.

The fear extends to Italy, Portugal and Spain. Austerity is squeezing demand just as countries are heading into recession. Unemployment is already rising, leading to greater spending on benefits and a decline in revenue from taxation. That forces the countries to borrow more, so forcing up accumulated debt.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 06:42:54

Perhaps the most interesting reason for the downgrade was Standard and Poor’s judgement that austerity alone might be self-defeating.

The “cult of austerity” has always been controversial. The doubts are increasing. There are those who say that Greece is now trapped in a spiral of decline. The Washington Post last week asked whether austerity was “killing the Greek economy”.

Do I hear the first cock-a-doodle-do of reason? Has someone at S&P actually cracked open a history book?

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 07:38:38

The culture of debt is in doubt. The reckoning is approaching. Shall we all go together?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 08:05:55

The cult(ure) of austerity/economics-as-a-morality-play (whose morality is always ‘the wealthy alone must be paid in full, skrew everyone else’) is in doubt.

Once again, the rational must step in and save the wealthy from themselves.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 08:34:15

‘the wealthy alone must be paid in full, skrew everyone else’

Bingo. This summarizes the situation perfectly. And in some countries the masses are starting to grumble.

Has someone at S&P actually cracked open a history book?

It is interesting how history does repeat itself. The richies can’t seem to help themselves in their desire to own ALL the marbles.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 08:38:19

Let’s not assume that it is the “wealthy” that are attempting to be paid back. It may well be the ruptured. If those German banks don’t get the money back, the frugal and trusting German workers will be royally screwed. It’s them or the Greek retirees. I’d venture it’s both.

The money was lent. The money was spent. It’s gone, gone, gone.

What’s the rational man to do about it?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 09:02:32

The money was lent. The money was spent. It’s gone, gone, gone.

So I guess the ‘frugal and trusting German workers’ (do I sense a morality play in the making?) are already skrewed, eh?

What’s the rational man to do about it?

Not institute pay-the-banks-in-full-at-all-costs measures that have historically proven to make matters worse.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 09:19:38

I agree that the loans should not be repaid, because of the pain, and because it’s very unlikely that the Germans will put them in jail. So the Greeks will not be able to borrow for a long long time, and their lifestyle is going to change a lot. They won’t be able to buy German stuff so the German workers not only have thrown away their savings, from jobs that only existed because they were lending money to their customers, they will lose jobs now as well. Deflation.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 09:27:56

“The richies can’t seem to help themselves in their desire to own ALL the marbles.”

That’s because sociopaths don’t care about history nor its lessons.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 10:01:32

Which came first, the sociopath or the nestegg?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 10:03:08

‘the wealthy alone must be paid in full, skrew everyone else’

‘the wealthy’ = mom’s & pop’s pension fund, university endowments, etc etc etc

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 10:55:48

They won’t be able to buy German stuff

How much “German stuff” did tiny Greece really buy? What percentage of exports actually went to Greece? I wouldn’t be surprised if BMW sells more cars in Colorado than it did in Greece.

And the Greeks will continue to buy “German stuff”, they just won’t buy as much as before.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 12:11:50

The richies can’t seem to help themselves in their desire to own ALL the marbles.

Our debt is their wealth.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 13:59:30

‘the wealthy’ = mom’s & pop’s pension fund, university endowments, etc etc etc

They own MBSs too, so I guess we should prop their prices up by propping up housing prices.

 
 
 
Comment by Kirisdad
2012-01-16 08:43:52

Of course austerity alone won’t work for Greece. They also have a revenue problem (i.e. avoiding taxes).

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 10:28:54

A lesson many neocons and libertarians should learn.

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Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2012-01-16 10:54:44

International trade imbalance…..

They have a massive leak in the economy called imports.

Trade imbalances will not allow themselves to be persisted long-term, making the point of the EU to persist trade imbalance, moot.

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Comment by ahansen
2012-01-17 00:10:47

They also have a tendency to hold revolutions. (See 1967-1974.)

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 04:29:48

“A” is for “austerity”…”B” is for “bailout”…

BTW, since when have “assets” provided any “income” to their owners?

13 October 2011 Last updated at 04:15 ET

Financial glossary

Traders at the Chicago Board Options Exchange What’s the difference between a bull and a bear?

The current financial crisis has thrown terminology from the business pages onto the front pages of newspapers, with jargon now abounding everywhere from the coffee bar to the back of a taxi.

Here is a guide to many of the business terms currently cropping up regularly, as well as some of the more exotic words coined to describe some of the social effects of the financial crisis.

AAA-rating The best credit rating that can be given to a borrower’s debts, indicating that the risk of a borrower defaulting is minuscule.

Administration A rescue mechanism for UK companies in severe trouble. It allows them to continue as a going concern, under supervision, giving them the opportunity to try to work their way out of difficulty. A firm in administration cannot be wound up without permission from a court.

AGM An annual general meeting, which companies hold each year for shareholders to vote on important issues such as dividend payments and appointments to the company’s board of directors. If an emergency decision is needed - for example in the case of a takeover - a company may also call an exceptional general meeting of shareholders or EGM.

Assets Things that provide income or some other value to their owner.

* Fixed assets (also known as long-term assets) are things that have a useful life of more than one year, for example buildings and machinery; there are also intangible fixed assets, like the good reputation of a company or brand.

* Current assets are the things that can easily be turned into cash and are expected to be sold or used up in the near future.

Austerity Economic policy aimed at reducing a government’s deficit (or borrowing). Austerity can be achieved through increases in government revenues - primarily via tax rises - and/or a reduction in government spending or future spending commitments.

Bailout The financial rescue of a struggling borrower. A bailout can be achieved in various ways:

* providing loans to a borrower that markets will no longer lend to
* guaranteeing a borrower’s debts
* guaranteeing the value of a borrower’s risky assets
* providing help to absorb potential losses, such as in a bank recapitalisation

Comment by combotechie
2012-01-16 06:09:39

“BTW, since when did ‘assets’ provide ‘income’ to their owners?”

Since about five years-or-so ago; That’s when properly invested assets returned something like an eight percent annual return.

Now they don’t. But a lot of people (and institutions) have counted on - are counting on - their assets to continue to do so, which means these people are a bit hosed.

People and institutions both (think insurance companies for example).

If the returns are not there then somebody gets to do without.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 07:47:28

Non-productive assets appear to provide income during periods of credit expansion. Such has been the case our whole lives. Apparently that period is coming to a close.

Comment by combotechie
2012-01-16 07:52:48

There it is.

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Comment by combotechie
2012-01-16 07:57:38

And because that period is coming to a close the part of the economy that facilitated and benifited this credit expansion - FINANCE - is shrinking.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 08:23:13

Deflation is their Kryptonite.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 10:08:56

‘Deflation is their Kryptonite.’

Perpetually low returns on 99%er investment class assets is their bailout.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 10:07:22

Combo –

Though your answer was on the right track, I think you answered a different question than the one I posed:

“BTW, since when did ‘assets’ no longer provide ‘income’ to their owners?”

 
 
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 04:34:54

Fed’s housing ideas won’t fix market
EDITORIAL | EDWARD L. GLAESER
January 13, 2012|By Edward L. Glaeser

WE SHOULDN’T count on the housing market to carry America back into economic uplands.

Last week, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke sent a white paper to Congress outlining possible reforms to current housing policies. The paper proposes converting bank-owned properties into rental units and reducing borrowing costs for owners who are at risk of default. Some experimentation along these lines makes sense, but attempts to rejigger the market only go so far — and the barriers to success are high.

The Fed paper’s second primary proposal is to modify loans for owners who owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth. Other programs have tried this already, with limited success, but the Fed suggests further steps to help homeowners, such as eliminating the refinancing fees that the government-controlled Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac charge in certain riskier situations. Freddie and Fannie might also refinance underwater loans made by private lenders.

While the Fed should want to help distressed borrowers, we should be wary of imposing more financial risks on Fannie and Freddie. Taxpayers are already out hundreds of billions of dollars because of past risky mortgages. I favor a simple cash payment of under $10,000 to ease the pain for foreclosed families; that form of aid provides humanitarian relief without keeping people in homes that they can’t afford.

Even if Fannie and Freddie modify many distressed loans, that won’t rekindle the housing market. Real housing prices did not rise between 1991 and 1998, when our economy roared after the last housing bust. We don’t need another new housing boom to bring America back.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 08:15:04

People who work for banks and people who work for governments have this in common; the belief that the taxpayer is a limitless natural resource which exists only to enable their activities.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 08:37:45

That must be why state and muni employees, along with teachers are losing their jobs in record numbers. FedGov employees derive half their pay from debt, not taxes.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 08:40:29

The debt is a pledge against future taxes?

Bank clerks are losing their jobs too. The fairy tale is busted.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 10:58:37

The debt is a pledge against future taxes?

More likely it will defaulted or monetized.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-01-16 08:52:49

That must be why state and muni employees, along with teachers are losing their jobs in record numbers.

Err, here in NY we’re still waiting for that to start. In his last speech Gov Cuomo said he actually wants to expand education spending by 4% in a state w/some of most expensive education costs in the nation. No word yet on what’s in store for other state unions.

I think we know who’s in charge here.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 11:03:03

I have an acquaintance in Buffalo who graduated with honors and a teaching degree two years ago. He says there are ZERO openings and he’s bagging groceries to pay his student loans.

But you are correct in that money spent per pupil over there is astronomical. It’s more than twice what we spend here in the Centennial State.

I think we know who’s in charge here.

So why haven’t you guys had your taxpayer revolt yet? Should we send Douglas Bruce your way? (After he gets out of jail for Federal Tax evasion)

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-01-16 14:27:16

So why haven’t you guys had your taxpayer revolt yet?

They just accept it as the way it is. I regularly tell my husband if we left the spark of the Revolution to NYers (where generations of his family are from) instead of Bostonians (where generations of my family are from) we’d still be bowing to the queen. I’ve lived in a few states and have never witnessed a more placid group. They get mean online but that’s all there ever is.

The people I know personally seem to look at me as some uppity beyatch when I start suggesting maybe someone needs to put their foot down. They just sigh and say that’s the way it’s always been.

 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-01-16 09:27:44

Oh! The humanity!! EeH gads>! What will we do????
Public “servants” losing jobs. How dreadful.
Let’s see? Hmm….about 11.5% real unemployment in the general workforce. I would expect to see a similar amount in those jobs, wouldn’t you? Or are Government employees “special”?
And by “record numbers”, what do you mean?
3%, 5% ? They seldom get cut back at all. Most of the time, they simple allow attrition to take place, meaning that someone nearing retirement leaves, taking 80% or more of his full time pay with him, and no longer showing up at the office.
We need A lot less government workers, military included.
I am sure we will all do just fine, somehow.

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Comment by Anon In DC
2012-01-16 10:06:24

Just because they beleive it, which they do, does not make it true, which it isn’t. It’s kinda of like a house is an investment and its value always goes up.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-01-16 08:48:44

I favor a simple cash payment of under $10,000 to ease the pain for foreclosed families; that form of aid provides humanitarian relief without keeping people in homes that they can’t afford.

How about some “relief” for renters, who have actually had to pay monthly all of this time? The foreclosed ALREADY have gotten the benefit of more than $10K in payment-free living; why should they get even more?

What an idiot.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 08:55:37

Since you probably would have acualy made your mortgage payments, you too have saved thousands of dollars by renting.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-01-16 09:32:19

True—and I’m not actually advocating a subsidy for renters, nor do I want such for myself.

It just bugs me when people advocate taking cash from one segment and giving it to another presumed-aggrieved segment. That should not be the purpose of government.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 09:54:18

This idiot is obviously not associated with the government. If he were, he would have proposed having the taxpayers send the money to the bank, not the presumed fubar debtor.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 12:13:35

WE SHOULDN’T count on the housing market to carry America back into economic uplands.

Note that this was the lead paragraph of the story. That in itself is significant.

Looks like the housing cargo cult is losing members.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 16:10:41

Many years back I heard Glaeser give a talk. I left with two impressions:

1) Based on the guy’s build, he must have been a serious football player or participant in some other sport where success depends on physical strength.

2) He shoots straight from the hip, rather than worrying about what other economists might think if his views don’t align with the Fed-dictated consensus.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 04:43:18

Dead cat bounces are easily confused with recoveries in markets that move as slowly as housing.

Foreclosure Auctions Show Raw Form of Capitalism

Joshua Lott for The New York Times

Hundreds of foreclosed properties are auctioned each week in front of the Maricopa County courthouse in Phoenix.
By KEN BELSON
Published: January 14, 2012

PHOENIX — To the unknowing, the few dozen people milling around the picnic tables in front of the Maricopa County courthouse here every day could be jurors on break or scofflaws finally coming to pay a ticket. They tug on cigarettes, sip from big cups of coffee and fidget with their cellphones, often speaking in whispers.

Most of the bidders and auctioneers are men in their 20s and 30s.

But instead of waiting to meet a judge, they are preparing to bid on the hundreds of foreclosed properties auctioned each week in one of the country’s more colorful public clearinghouses. During the housing boom, when mortgages were being given out with no money down and prices soared, the auctions were a sleepy sideshow. But in the years since, the auctions have grown into a scruffy economic circus where bargain hunters from around the world have scooped up houses often sold for less than half of the value of the mortgage.

The auctions look more like a low-end poker game than the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. The bidders and auctioneers, most of them men in their 20s and 30s, are on a clubby first-name basis, and their banter can border on sophomoric. But their trading serves a critical if somewhat heartless function: to find new buyers for houses so they can be fixed up and sold to more stable owners.

This is capitalism at its rawest,” said Brad Grannis, a bidder from AZ Property Advisors. “There’s an asset, and people assign a value to it.”

In recent months, the auctions have become more competitive because of an influx of outsiders who are eager for cut-rate houses that they can resell or rent out and because of a decrease in the number of houses available. There were 2,296 trustee sales in Maricopa County last month, 44 percent fewer than in December two years ago during the depths of the market crash, according to The Cromford Report, a real estate newsletter.

Many economists say that the housing market has a long way to go before it returns to health and that the decline in foreclosures is partly because lenders, often under political pressure, are trying to work with distressed borrowers.

But optimists in Phoenix point to the decline as a harbinger of an upturn, albeit a tentative one.

We went lower than anywhere except Las Vegas, and we got through the foreclosure crisis faster,” said Mike Orr, a researcher at the W. P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University and the editor of The Cromford Report. “I don’t know if this will be a significant recovery, but even going up a few points is still a recovery.”

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-01-16 04:43:56

(from Polly’s response yerterday)

(you wondered why you can’t swing a cat in a bank without hitting a VP?)

Ha, still smilin’ …

Dura lex sid lex:

“The law is hard but it is the law”

Currently, in America, such orientation/punishment$ are applied equivocally to the following:

1.Toothless citizen’s who steal x1 six pack of beer.
2. Well dressed executive$ of MegaAnyCorpInc. with expen$ive writing implement$

(Perhaps a database exists that references current citizen prisoners & their pre-incarceration zip codes?)

:-)

Comment by polly
2012-01-16 08:18:06

Please note that my comment was not intended to recommend or approve of cat swinging inside a bank or in any other circumstance. Thank you.

8)

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 10:10:25

Does it matter whether the swung cat is dead or alive?

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 04:50:43

How do these myriad “settlements,” all on the order of amounts below $1 bn, compare to the financial costs of the subprime mortgage crisis, which I don’t believe actually was contained to less than $200 bn?

Editorial
On the Trail of Mortgage Fraud
Published: January 15, 2012

Queens has been harder hit by foreclosures than any other New York borough, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation believes it has found a culprit. Last July, the F.B.I. accused Edul Ahmad, a local broker, of a $50 million mortgage fraud, saying he lured fellow immigrants into subprime mortgages, inflated the values of their properties and concealed his involvement in deals that were ruinous for scores, if not hundreds, of borrowers. Mr. Ahmad pleaded not guilty, and posted $2.5 million bail. Now, according to court papers, as reported in The Times, he is plea-bargaining with federal prosecutors.

Whatever Mr. Ahmad did or did not do, one thing is sure: he did not act alone. The attention Mr. Ahmad has drawn highlights the relative lack of scrutiny of the big banks and their senior executives. Big banks created demand and provided credit for dubious mortgage loans, which they bundled into securities and sold to investors. If not for reckless lending and heedless securitizing, there would have been no mortgage bubble and no mortgage bust — and, in all probability, no Edul Ahmad.

There have been some prominent civil suits with settlements and fines, including the $550 million deal between Goldman Sachs and the Securities and Exchange Commission over the misleading of investors in a mortgage-backed investment. Bank of America, which bought Countrywide Financial in 2008, recently agreed to pay $335 million to settle a lawsuit by the Justice Department over Countrywide’s practice of steering black and Hispanic borrowers to subprime loans while similarly qualified white borrowers got better terms. But such cases have been narrowly focused and rarely name top executives.

What is needed is leadership by President Obama on this issue. He should form an interagency task force to investigate and pursue potential civil and criminal wrongdoing by institutions and people whose conduct in the mortgage chain had the greatest economic impact.

That would mean focusing on the large banks and their top echelons. The investigators would need to include the departments of Justice and Housing and Urban Development, the S.E.C. and the Internal Revenue Service, as well as bank regulators, with the formal co-operation of the most aggressive state attorneys general. The task force would need a leader with the impulses of a crusading prosecutor.

The investigations to date have not had this character. The Goldman Sachs settlement, for instance, was over one security and put the blame on a midlevel banker. When executives have been personally penalized, the fines have been a fraction of the wealth they amassed during the bubble. From 2000 to 2008, Angelo Mozilo, the chief executive of Countrywide, received total compensation estimated at $521.5 million; in 2010, without admitting or denying any wrongdoing, he paid $67.5 million to settle civil fraud charges brought by the S.E.C. The Justice Department, for its part, decided not to pursue a possible criminal case against Mr. Mozilo.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 06:52:22

President Obama…should form an interagency task force to investigate and pursue potential civil and criminal wrongdoing by institutions and people whose conduct in the mortgage chain had the greatest economic impact.

Let’s be honest. Given the power and money of the financial industry, this is a job that can only be done in a second presidential term, unless your first term is a kamikaze run.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 08:40:55

After Obama signed the NDAA into law I harbor no delusions that he’ll turn into some kind of spandex clad superhero in his second term and make things right.

Comment by SV guy
2012-01-16 09:15:17

O’s signature cements his legacy as the greatest enemy the WH has ever seen. And that’s saying a mouthful after stumbling, bumbling W.

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 11:38:28

I’m sorry. Remind me again who signed the first 2 Patriot Acts?

Oh and the NDAA? It only applies to foreign nationals. (I still don’t like it, but let’s at least get the facts straight)

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-01-16 12:27:26

“the US military will have the power to detain Americans suspected of involvement in terrorism without charge or trial and imprison them for an indefinite period of time;”

I have read dozens of interpretations of the ND@@ and every one of them said basically the same thing.

Here’s the Wiki page with it’s version.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012

As for the first two Patriot Acts, it was signed by a “stumbling, bumbling W”.

 
Comment by mathguy
2012-01-16 12:42:47

I believe you are incorrect about this, which is maybe why you are so cavalier about it. The law allows for US citizens to be indefinitely detained if classified as “terrorists”. The reason the law has been getting so much attention is that occupy wall street protesters were recently categorized by law enforcement as “low level terrorists” . The justice department “swears” they won’t abuse this power… Lets just hope a challenge makes it to the supreme court to throw out this terrible piece of legislation.

BTW, aren’t terrorist activities already illegal? Why do we need more laws to deal with murderers? It’s already against the law.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-01-16 13:15:36

Americans have already been held as terrorist and water boarded.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 16:40:23

Hmmm…perhaps I am.

Let me do some more research.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-01-17 14:22:31

BTW, aren’t terrorist activities already illegal? Why do we need more laws to deal with murderers? It’s already against the law.

Cui bono? The answer is the current power structure in government… The problem stems from the fact that by labeling suspects “terrorists”, with this law the government can ignore such things as the Geneva Convention for the fair and humane treatment of enemy combatants and Habeas Corpus for U.S. Citizens as guaranteed by Article 1 of the Constitution.

Indefinte detention for “domestic terrorsists” and torture for “foreign terrorists” is the end result. Fear as a tool of the state…

 
 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-01-16 09:42:39

President Obama…should form an interagency task force to investigate and pursue potential civil and criminal wrongdoing by institutions and people whose conduct in the mortgage chain had the greatest economic impact……………………..

BBBwwwaahhhh..hahahah….Bwahahahah!!!
Another “task force”.
The problems are very simple and plain. The huge number of government agencies charged with “regulating” all the Banksters and Brokers are COMPLICIT with them. They consistently work out a “deal” where the criminal admits no wrong-doing, while paying a nominal fee for a dismissal of the case.
The agencies get to go back to their bosses and present a public perception that they have “done something”, because to the average guy,10’s of millions in fines seems like a just punishment for Billions in stealing and corruption. Most people don’t care and can’t see that it’s a traffic ticket for bank robbery.
But the “government stooges” can claim VICTORY, because they got a “settlement” and the whole case gets swept under the carpet.
That’s the AMERICAN JUSTICE SYSTEM.
And who is in charge of the PROSECUTIONS? That’s right, the EXECUTIVE BRANCH. All the legal power to Pursue this criminality is under all the Agencies that OBAMA has power to Bend.
What’s his solution? “Well, …..that’s all in the past. We couldn’t have done anything, anyway, let’s look to the future.” End of work.
End of worry. Nothing to see here. Everyone move along.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2012-01-16 10:46:46

If you liked Obama’s “Change Goldman Sachs can believe in” you’re going to love Romney’s corporatist “Mittropolis.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j8Ba9rWhUg&feature=related

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 10:11:37

Good point, and a good reason to vote for Obama rather than a Republican Wall Street indentured servant.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-01-16 10:36:39

No, what is shows is that when it comes to the “rule of law”, Obama is a DO-nothing President.
When it comes to making up new concepts as to the rule of law, Obama will jump threw hoops to figure out ways to circumvent the law to make up any new rule he wants as “constitutional”.
He is the WORST president, ever.

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 12:18:00

Damn right!

He should have never signed TARP!

Oh wait…

Well he should have least got us out of Iraq!

Oh wait…

Don’t go there. The list is long.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 16:13:40

American voters = STOOPID SHEEP

34% - Was TARP Passed Under Bush or Obama?

In numerous polls, the public has voiced their displeasure at the much maligned bank bailout, but most don’t know which president signed the controversial act into law. Only a third of Americans (34%) correctly say the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) was enacted by the Bush administration. Nearly half (47%) incorrectly believe TARP was passed under President Obama. Another 19% admit they do not know which president signed the bank bailout into law. Notably, there is no partisan divide on the question. Just 36% of Republicans, 35% of independents and 34% of Democrats know that the government bailout of banks and financial institutions was signed into law by former President Bush. And Democrats (46%) are just as likely as Republicans (50%) to say TARP was passed under Obama. Read more

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 16:41:25

…and THAT’S why we’re doomed.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 04:54:41

Euro Leaders Race to Salvage Rescue Plans
By Patrick Donahue and Simon Kennedy - Jan 16, 2012 2:27 AM PT

Angela Merkel, Germany’s chancellor, right, speaks as Nicolas Sarkozy, France’s president, second right, listens during a joint news conference following a meeting at the Federal Chancellery in Berlin, Germany. Photographer: Michele Tantussi/Bloomberg

European leaders will this week try to rescue under-fire efforts to deliver new fiscal rules and cut Greece’s debt burden as investors ignore Standard & Poor’s euro- region downgrades.

Greek officials will reconvene with creditors on Jan. 18 after discussions stalled last week and governments elsewhere are preparing for a Jan. 30 summit as the European Central Bank warns against “watering down” a revamp of budget laws. With France’s 10-year bond yield little changed today, investors will now focus on its sale of as much as 8.7 billion euros ($11 billion) at 3 p.m. in Paris.

The talks on Greece and budgets may serve as tougher tests of the tentative recovery in investor sentiment than S&P’s decision to cut the ratings of nine euro-region nations, including France. History suggests fallout from the downgrades may be limited. JPMorgan Chase & Co research shows that 10-year yields for the nine sovereigns that lost their AAA status between 1998 and last year’s U.S. downgrade rose an average of two basis points the next week.

Efforts to toughen budget laws and make Greek debt more sustainable “deserve far more attention than these rating changes, which as usual are lagging fundamental developments,” Joachim Fels, chief global economist at Morgan Stanley in London, said in a note to clients yesterday.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 05:03:42

Can glaciers have waterfalls?

Experts: Beware a slow cascade of additional foreclosures in 2012
January 15, 2012|By Alan J. Heavens, Inquirer Real Estate Writer

Economist Joel L. Naroff of Bucks says a growing foreclosure rate is likely to keep housing prices down.

If the numbers were the only barometer, it would appear that the U.S. foreclosure crisis had eased considerably in 2011. But taken alone, those statistics don’t tell the whole story of the pressures on homeowners and how they are affecting the nation’s housing market.

Over the last 12 months, the foreclosure rate and the number of filings nationwide reached their lowest point since the current spiral intensified in 2007, RealtyTrac Inc. reported last week.

As 2011 began, RealtyTrac, of Irvine, Calif., which tracks foreclosure activity, was predicting there would be a 20 percent increase over 2010 in the number of houses repossessed by lenders after foreclosure. Instead, that number declined, to 804,423 last year from 1.2 million. Figures for 2011 also show a 34 percent decline from 2010 in the number of properties at some point in the foreclosure process.

The numbers are deceiving, however. Brandon Moore, RealtyTrac’s chief executive officer, attributed the hefty decline primarily to the effects of the 2010 controversy over “robo-signing,” in which a number of loan servicers were accused of signing thousands of foreclosure documents without reading them.

Delays due to state action and self-imposed moratoriums by lenders created a backlog in processing that did not begin easing until the second half of 2011.

The result, Moore said, is that “we are continuing to see a highly dysfunctional foreclosure process that is inefficiently dealing with delinquent mortgages - particularly in states with a judicial foreclosure process,” such as New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Florida, where robo-signing was equated with fraud by some officials.

What the legal wrangling and the millions of filings since the housing bubble burst have combined to accomplish is a lengthening of the timeline for processing foreclosures in most states, RealtyTrac reported.

Most states’ foreclosure-processing systems were not equipped to handle the volume seen in the last five years.

RealtyTrac calculated that in a typical year - it chose 2005 - paperwork for 500,000 foreclosures would be filed nationally. In 2010, there were 2.9 million foreclosures. An additional 1.9 million households received filings in 2011 - fewer, but still almost four times more than what had been considered normal.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 07:04:29

Delays due to state action

“Hey guys, you can’t blatantly break the law anymore.”

and self-imposed moratoriums by lenders

“We can’t break the law anymore? Uh-oh, then how do we foreclose with our mortgage notes lost in the MERSea? Hmmm…”

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-01-16 12:22:14

Oh they can have waterfalls. They can develop giant reservoirs which explode in epic catastrophe:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/explore-the-scablands.html

One of the more fascinating PBS shows. In the Pacific Northwest, there is an area called the channeled scablands. It is the result of a melting glacier creating a massive lake within itself. And eventually the ice wall holding the lake in fails, resulting in a flood of utterly epic proportions.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 16:14:44

Thank you! I was hoping somebody could satisfy this non-geologist’s intellectual curiosity regarding my tangential question…

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 05:10:41

Developments
Real estate news and analysis from The Wall Street Journal

January 10, 2012, 2:38 PM

Fed Pushes Refinancing, But Obstacles Abound
By Alan Zibel

Does the Federal Reserve have good ideas for the housing market? That’s been the question since the Fed published its paper on housing last week.

Critics see the Fed’s foray into housing policy as an irresponsible deviation from the central bank’s mission of managing interest-rate policy. Supporters of more aggressive action to stabilize the housing market argue that the Fed is playing a valuable role in pushing the Obama administration and regulators to do more.

All of this debate ignores something that’s become increasingly clear: Due to practical and political limitations, changes to the government’s response to the foreclosure crisis are likely to involve tweaks on the margins rather than a massive revamp.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-16 05:19:07

Why is “The Fed” buying assets?

Why are they paying inflated prices for assets?

Who authorized them?

Comment by goon squad
2012-01-16 06:10:04

The sheeple don’t care about any of that, let’s focus on the real issues please.

From Politico: Santorum: More babies, please!

“The former Pennsylvania senator on Sunday defended his proposal to triple the tax credit for children, calling them the “natural resource that creates wealth in this country.”

“The federal government over the years, has year by year by year, decreased support for families. And guess what’s happening? Year by year by year, birth rates are going down,” Santorum said on “Fox News Sunday.”

Reminder: Santorum will be appearing live on C-Span’s Washington Journal call-in program at 7am ET on Friday, January 20.

Comment by palmetto
2012-01-16 06:33:10

“triple the tax credit for children, calling them the “natural resource that creates wealth in this country.”

Well, yes, just ask any illegal splatting out an anchor baby. JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 08:46:25

He’s pandering to the “full quiver” fundies (Psalm 127 3:5)

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-16 09:46:18

If they’re adhering to the OT, they aren’t Christians. Time for them to revisit reality.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 06:34:59

Published: 14 January, 2012, 03:53

A third round of quantitative easing (QE3) is coming from the Fed. The Eurozone as we know it is close to collapse — and there isn’t all that much that central banks or governments can do about it.

“I think that part of the problem is that the more the Fed uses a largely ineffective policy instrument, the more the balance tips from benefits to cost and risks,” El-Erian tells Capital Account’s Lauren Lyster. As with QE2, says El-Erian, America saw the Fed increased prices of shares, but at a cost that also brought a surge in commodity prices, which in turn undermines both production and unemployment.

“So there are consequences and I think the Fed at the end of the day will probably go along with QE3, but the benefits will be small in relative to the costs and the risks,” adds El-Erian.
Why, then, would Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke take the risk? According to El-Erian, the move will come as a last-ditch effort to persuade the American public that the US isn’t incapable of keeping the country out of this mess. So far, however, America has barely been able to prove such.

http://rt.com/usa/news/qe3-el-erian-fed-america-769/ - 54k

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2012-01-16 06:45:03

Why is “The Fed” buying assets?

Why are they paying inflated prices for assets?

Who authorized them?

We the Sheeple authorized the Wall Street-Federal Reserve looting syndicate to do its thing by mindlessly participating in the Republicrat Duopoly’s puppet show rather than backing independent, principled, non-corporatist candidates who will stand up for the 99%.

 
Comment by BlueStar
2012-01-16 07:55:15

This is a re-post from yesterday but these guys have the all the numbers and point to a number of tipping-point moments over the last 30 years.
>>
Bill Moyers has a great interview up on his new web site where he interviewed the authors of “Winner-Take-All Politics”, Jacob Hacker & Paul Pierson on Engineered Inequality.

http://billmoyers.com/content/chapter-one-of-winner-take-all-politics/

As rms noted they don’t name the lobbyist and think tanks that rigged the tax code and neutered the regulations so this is all completely legal. And as a hat tip to Sammy, Hacker & Pierson say there’s not a dimes worth of difference between the Reps and the Dems when trying to cast blame.

Comment by whyoung
2012-01-16 09:01:53

Thanks for posting this.
(From the above link you can also click through to a video of the interview.)

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-01-16 05:20:42

Playing catch up …

From Cantankerous:
“It’s a great time to have acce$$ to $carce ca$h borrowed at di$criminatory (below market) intere$t rate$ only available to $elect too-big-to-fail institution$, in order to participate in a$$et market fire $ales at the end of a brutal rece$$ion.”

As Foghorn likes to say: “Say boy, eyes thinks you on to $omething …” ;-)

Miss Prissy: “Yessssss, those $cotu$ Inc. rooster$ do look fine in their fancy suit$”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 05:26:38

Tank$!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-01-16 05:30:51

Oh, and tanks for the book info Mr. (knotgot) $tucco:

Pricing the Future: Finance, Physics, and the 300-Year Journey to the Black-Scholes Equation. By George Szpiro.

;-)

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 10:15:20

Let me know if you buy the book and decide the money was well-spent. My unread book collection is pretty large already, so I need to be careful to make judicious marginal additions.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 05:29:56

Has the euro zone financial crisis ended yet?

Financial Times
Global Market Overview
Last updated: January 16, 2012 11:14 am
Eurozone ratings cuts reverberate
By Jamie Chisholm, Global Markets Commentator

Monday 10:30 GMT. The downgrade of nine European nations continues to reverberate across global markets. Traders are wary of adding to racier bets as fears return that the eurozone debt crisis could sap sentiment, hobble the banking system and thus denude economic growth worldwide.

Bearing the brunt of the caution is, unsurprisingly, the euro. The single currency has fallen below Y97 for the first time in 11 years and is trading at $1.2666 – near a 17-month low – compared with last week’s close of $1.2677.

Europe’s bourses opened in suitably downbeat mood, but declines are restricted by Wall Street’s ability to more than halve its losses in the previous session. The FTSE Eurofirst 300 is flat as demand for defensives, such as tobacco and pharma counteract falls in financials. Tension in the European banking sector is illustrated by a new record level of overnight deposits, €493bn, being parked with the European Central Bank on Friday.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 05:32:59

ft dot com
January 15, 2012 4:44 pm
Bank results threaten to dash US hopes
By Tom Braithwaite in New York

Faltering performance from Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup and Bank of America, all of which report fourth-quarter earnings this week, could dent optimism over the pace of corporate recovery in the US.

JPMorgan Chase revealed a 23 per cent decline in net profit last week, slightly below analysts’ estimates.

“It’s indicative of an industry under revenue pressure due to slower economic growth, lower margins, unsettled capital markets and increased regulatory pressure,” said Mike Mayo, analyst at CLSA.

Comment by goon squad
2012-01-16 05:40:21

Corporate recovery? Wake me up when Jamie Dimon is recovered from the lamppost he was hung on and real justice has been served.

Comment by palmetto
2012-01-16 05:52:21

Amen, brothah!

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-01-16 09:19:36

“Wake me up when Jamie Dimon is recovered from the lamppost he was hung on and real justice has been served.”

Try not to break the bulb, we’re a little short on cash here.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-01-16 09:33:43

Try not to break the bulb, we’re a little short on cash here.

You might want to tell the crowd to stop shooting the body then, because somebody is going to hit the bulb.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 12:17:21

Now, stop it! You’re insulting lamp posts!

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Comment by WT Economist
2012-01-16 07:44:21

Well, investors may not have done well, but at least the workers are making out OK.

“The average employee at J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.’s investment bank saw his pay decline by 8% last year, to $342,000, in a reflection of difficult economic conditions the world over. ddly, last year’s pay figures are almost identical to the amount J.P. Morgan investment bankers enjoyed during the boom times. In 2006, the last year before the housing bubble burst, average pay per investment banking employee—a figure that includes everyone from the division CEO to guys in the mailroom—was $345,000.”

“There are a couple of reasons why that hasn’t been the case. A big one is that J.P. Morgan faces a lot less competition than in 2006. Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns have all vanished, leaving more for the survivors to feast on. J.P. Morgan’s investment banking revenues, at $26 billion last year, were $8 billion higher than in 2006.”

“Another reason average pay has remained high is that Wall Street banks have sacked a lot of people in recent years, so they have fewer mouths to feed.”

Read more: http://mycrains.crainsnewyork.com/blogs/in-the-markets/2012/01/at-j-p-morgan-paychecks-recall-boom-years/#ixzz1jdGvS5VV

That’s a 20 year trend — fewer workers making more money. They used to have all these middle class jobs in NY making small loans, doing due dillegeance, checking up and borrowers, etc. They did away with all that in favor more trading and big deals, done as fast as possible.

Comment by Steve J
2012-01-16 10:45:54

Outsourcing the back office jobs has taken its toll as well.

 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 12:31:37

Pace of corporate recovery?

You mean besides the record profits they are making in this jobless recovery?

Oh feh. Oh sigh. Oh my, however will they survive?! *swoon*

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-01-16 06:39:04

From the Globe and Mail - In Canada, unlike the U.S., the American dream lives on:

“Canada is a world leader in economic mobility, right up there with Denmark, Norway and other Scandinavian countries.

A recent front-page story in The New York Times highlighted new research that “turns conventional wisdom on its head” – namely, that Americans enjoy less economic mobility than their peers in, gasp, Canada.

Yes, the U.S. is richer, but it’s also significantly more unequal, and a lot less mobile.

Canadians are up to three times more economically mobile than Americans, and it’s almost entirely due to the conditions faced by those living at the very top and bottom of society

The American dream that anyone can rise from humble beginnings to vast wealth has become a myth. And as the gap between rich and poor widens, the middle class is shrinking.

For now, at least, the dream of upward mobility in Canada is still alive. Canadians can thank a legacy of sound public policy and a more progressive tax system.

Even the poorest of Canadian children have access to good schools, quality health care and decent homes

Compare that to the United States, where schools are financed primarily by wildly variable local property taxes rather than state income taxes. Neighbourhoods with low home values and marginal businesses have underfunded and failing schools, which become magnets for perpetual failure.

But it’s a country of extremes, and life is good if you’re at the top in the United States. A child’s chance of staying at the wealth pinnacle is much greater than in Canada.

The divergence of opportunity in the U.S. grows even more pronounced with higher education. Tuition fees, which can easily run into the tens of thousands of dollars per year, essentially put the best schools out of reach for many Americans. Wealthy Americans, on the other hand, can literally buy opportunity for their children, paying their way through the best colleges, hiring tutors and providing access to family connections.”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 07:27:52

But I thought entrenched wealth and poverty was what freedom was all about.

Comment by SV guy
2012-01-16 09:21:04

“But I thought entrenched wealth and poverty was what freedom was all about.”

Maybe in Kentucky.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 10:13:20

And apparently the rest of the states as well.

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Comment by The_Overdog
2012-01-16 08:54:19

Neighbourhoods with low home values and marginal businesses have underfunded and failing schools
————
The 2nd half of that article turns to crap. I guess the point is that we should raise home values and education will be fixed, or are we to take it as a fact that if schools were funded by state taxes, they would all be equal? To that I say yeah right.

Comment by Steve J
2012-01-16 10:47:22

Why do poor neighborhoods deserve good schools?

Comment by The_Overdog
2012-01-16 12:20:12

Because of the idea of “equality of opportunity, not equality of outcomes”. But (and a change in taxing structure isn’t going to remedy) equality of opportunity is based on a lot of things outside of the school district’s control unless they are going to use some of the extra money they get in tens of thousands of dollars in direct subsides to each family in a poor neighborhood.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 08:58:16

Even with a degree the deck is stacked against you. Biz schools are packed with kids who dream of joining the managerial class, which is where the money is these days, while Engineering and CS departments are ghost towns.

Unfortunately for the biz school kids most of them will end up working at jobs that are barely more than menial. Many are called but few are chosen.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 12:21:24

I agree with the above.

And, as a volunteer admissions interview for the University of Arizona b-school, I can tell you that the prospective students are not the UA’s best and brightest.

Oh, yes, they’re quite personable, but intellectually brilliant? Nope. Creative? Not really.

The UA does have brilliant and creative kids on campus, but they major in the arts (fine or performing arts — the UA is quite strong in this area), engineering, and the biological and physical sciences.

 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 12:34:07

That there is just homosexual commie talk! They’re gonna get their butts kicked real good!

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 07:16:54

Expiring mortgage aid destabilizes owners

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 9:01 p.m. Sunday, Jan. 15, 2012

JUPITER — The tenuous financial grip Sheryl Stuart holds on her Jupiter home is slipping.

She is one of about 3,400 home­owners statewide who have received help paying their mortgages from the federal Hardest Hit program, which gave Florida $1 billion to keep unemployed and underemployed residents out of foreclosure.

But the monthly mortgage supplements expire after six months.

Stuart, 61, a former business owner who closed up shop when the economy hit the skids, received her first installment in September. February will end her mortgage reprieve, and although she has found a job, her salary isn’t enough to make her payment.

“In this economy, to think you can turn your life around in six months is totally ludicrous,” Stuart said. “The working class is quickly slipping into a black hole.”

In the nine months since Florida opened its Hardest Hit program statewide, about 23,320 people have completed applications and $77.3 million has been either reserved or spent on those approved for money.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/foreclosures/expiring-mortgage-aid-destabilizes-owners-2104222.html - 77k -

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 07:51:07

The last 3 show the true victim here. Not only has SHERYL taken hundreds of thousands of $ in “equity” out of her Maplewood (nice place to live) home along with her two Chasewood condo “investments” where she has for sure been collecting $1,100 rent on each for the last 3 years without paying the mortgage, (that must have helped her stay current on the Maplewood home and get the “Hardest Hit” money) The refi class is quickly slipping into a black hole. No LP on the Maplewood home and prices in that hood are holding up nicely thank you hardeast hit program. HARP HAMP CRAMP etc.

“In this economy, to think you can turn your life around in six months is totally ludicrous,” Stuart said. “The working class is quickly slipping into a black hole.”

Legal Description: CHASEWOOD OF JUPITER COND UNIT 10-F
Sep-2005 19863/0682 $94,827 QUIT CLAIM STUART SHERYL

Legal Description: CHASEWOOD OF JUPITER COND UNIT 29-D
Feb-2002 13423/1605 $75,000 WARRANTY DEED STUART SHERYL L

STUART SHERYL
Mailing Address: 188 E HAMPTON WAY
JUPITER FL 33458 8148

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Dec-1996 09602/0124 $145,500 WARRANTY DEED

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-16 08:01:01

Sheryl Stuart is nothing more than a con-artist and common criminal.

The sanctimoniousness and pandering of people like her is sickening.

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 16:29:51

House bought for 145k in 96, 1 condo 75k in 02, 1 condo 94,800 in 05 which is a total purchase price on all three of $314,800. The total mortgages taken out on all three $1,116,877.00 with one SAT filed in 98 and one in 2004 So on top of a probable 3 years of rent collected on the condos w/o paying the mortgage you are probably looking at $350k cash out.

The links are below to check it out, the comments section has picked it up and is buzzing because this lady had the nerve to say…..

“I feel that I’ve been duped, and I don’t know if it’s by the government, the bank, the Hardest Hit program or all of the above,” she said.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-01-16 17:30:50

But she was duped—she duped herself.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 18:31:37

Man I`ve got Deadbeats beatin` up on Deadbeats! :)

Jeff, it seems some people take “deadbeat” to a whole new level. I was offered this program and chose not to participate.(I would not have qualified due to being in excess of 18 months anyway) My strategy of simply not paying has been effiective without outside influence. 6 months of assistance and you are right back where you started. I think I will continue with my stategy, it has worked for 42 months and my foreclosure was recently dismissed by BofA. It seems like a smarter move.
diver4life
8:21 PM, 1/16/2012

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 08:10:56

Applying, qualifying for mortgage aid

Applications are available online at flhardesthithelp.org or by calling (877) 863-5244 .

There are two options available under Florida’s Hardest Hit program:

•Unemployment mortgage assistance program provides up to six months of loan payments with a cap of $12,000.
•Mortgage loan reinstatement payment program brings delinquent mortgages current with a cap of $6,000.
Some eligibility requirements :

•Homeowner must be a Florida resident who lives in the home as the primary residence.
•Homeowner must be unemployed or underemployed.
•Total household income must be below 140 percent of the area median income.
•Financial hardship must have been caused through no fault of the homeowner.
•Loans can be no more than 180 days delinquent.

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 08:21:01

•Total household income must be below 140 percent of the area median income.
•Financial hardship must have been caused through no fault of the homeowner.

Collecting rent on condos where you are not paying the mortgage must not be considered income and not reporting that must be no fault of the homeowner.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-16 11:35:08

We need to come up with a song for you Jethro……

 
Comment by polly
2012-01-16 13:13:06

If you use accrual accounting on the rental property business, the expenses are deducted whether you pay them or not. That would not apply if you used cash accounting, but you would still be able to deduct depreciation.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 14:01:17

You are good. That was supposed to be a joke and you still had the right answer when I didn`t even know there was a question.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-01-16 16:28:32

If you use accrual accounting on the rental property business, the expenses are deducted whether you pay them or not.

polly, wouldn’t you eventually have to recapture those deductions if they are never paid? Yes, you could deduct as they accrue, but I thought they had to be paid eventually to keep them…

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 08:23:31

where she has for sure been collecting $1,100 rent on each for the last 3 years without paying the mortgage

How do you know this?

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 08:36:02

How do you know this?

Just a wild guess. LOL

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 09:09:11

How many of your other ‘facts’ are wild guesses?

Can we see a link to this mortgage information on Ms. Stuart that you just provided?

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 09:18:57

“Can we see a link to this mortgage information on Ms. Stuart that you just provided?”

http://www.mypalmbeachclerk.com/officialrecords/search.aspx - 24k -

http://www.pbcgov.com/papa/ - 20k

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 09:28:57

alpha

If you need any more help hunting Deadbeats let me know. :)

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 09:35:43

Be vewy vewy quiet, alpha is hunting Deadbeats.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 09:52:40

By clicking on

http://www.mypalmbeachclerk.com/officialrecords/search.aspx - 24k -

You too can follow the wild and wacky refi adventures of SZYMONIAK LYNN E with not only her robo signed home but also her condo “investment” refis that the people at 60 minutes and CBS news couldn`t seem to find.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 10:32:28

Well, if the first ‘fact’ I ask you to confirm, turns out to be a ‘wild guess’, I thought I ought to check a second ‘fact’. Make sure you’re not just spinning this stuff out of thin air.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 12:09:11

More of an educated guess really. There are about 700 units in Chasewood, currently 4 are available for rent. The rental market is tight which is why they can ask $2,000 for a Chasewood unit. (see below) Whether you like it or not collecting rent while not paying the mortgage is common, at least down here. I wish I was just spinning this stuff out of thin air, but unfortunately I have been living throught it for years.

6555 Chasewood Dr Apt C Jupiter, FL, 33458 Call Leshia Johnson 561-744-8244

25 Jupiter Lighthouse RealtyRental - $2,000
2 Bed, 2 Bath 1,025 Sq Ft

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 14:45:30

alpha

Could you show this guy how to use
http://www.mypalmbeachclerk.com/officialrecords/search.aspx - 24k -

So he can figure out that she has been collecting rent on the 2 Chasewood condos w/o paying the mortgage while she was getting the Hardest Hit cheese.

Comments

Had a bit of sympathy till I checked out PAPA and saw Ed is right. Ms. Stuart owns THREE properties. Cry me a river??? NOT. Sell those other two properties before sucking on the tax payer teat, Ms. Stuart. SHAME on you for taking money that others truly in need could have used and SHAME on the system that allowed her to take advantage of the program. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting!
No sympathy here
3:55 PM, 1/16/2012

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 08:51:34

alpha

If you need a victim I`ll give you this one from this story. She put over $200k down when she bought for $446,357 in 2007, only problem now is it`s only worth $126,200 according to the county.

Loura Partlow, 43, bought her Boynton Beach home at a boom-time price in 2007 and with a whopping 50 percent down payment. The next year, Partlow was laid off.

She was three months behind when she applied for the Hardest Hit program through local housing finance corporation counselors at the Law Office of Paul A. Krasker in West Palm Beach.

“It’s taken a big load off my back,” said Partlow, who is working two jobs now as a real estate agent and at a construction firm. “Everyone says I shouldn’t have gotten into a place like this, but we didn’t know at the time what was going to happen. We put all our eggs into one basket.”

Still, Partlow’s Hardest Hit money will be cut off in March, and she fears, like Stuart, what will happen next.

Name: PARTLOW LOURA
Mailing Address: 1430 VIA ALFERI BLVD
BOYNTON BEACH FL 33426 8254

Type: MTG
Date/Time: 2/1/2007 14:03:22
CFN: 20070052906
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 21367/1152
Pages: 23
Consideration: $217,000.00
Party 1: PARTLOW LOURA
Party 2: JPMORGAN CHASE BANK NA
Legal: RENAISSANCE COMMONS, A PUD L228 L

Type: MTG
Date/Time: 10/18/2011 08:57:55
CFN: 20110386554
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 24801/388
Pages: 5
Consideration: $0.00
Party 1: PARTLOW LOURA
Party 2: FLORIDA HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION
Legal: RENAISSANCE COMMONS, A PUD L228 L

Jan-2007 21367/1148 $446,357 WARRANTY DEED PARTLOW LOURA

Assessed and Taxable Values
Tax Year 2011
$126,200

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 12:41:05

We?

I’ll bet good money she forced her husband/boyfriend into the decision.

I can’t tell you how many women I’ve seen destroy their relationships with bad investment decisions

Are women unique at this? Of course not. Just saying that being stubborn is equal opportunity. It also likes to blame others when things go wrong.

We?

 
 
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-01-16 10:20:23

The condos whether rented or not do not matter. All that matters is you have slimey politicians taking money from the responsible to give to the irresponsible. In this case the property “owner” and ultimately the bank. This story is as bad as the the Wash., DC story posted earlier.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 09:00:40

I wonder if insurance rates in Florida are sky high in part due to the endemic culture of fraud and corruption that permeates the state?

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 09:09:47

“culture of fraud and corruption that permeates the state?”

You just need better reporters of fraud and corruption in other states.

Comment by SV guy
2012-01-16 09:24:49

It’s different here!

;)

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 10:21:46

And yet I pay far less in insurance and local taxes than you guys do. As in a fraction of what you guys pay. So maybe in that regard it is different here.

Of course TABOR keeps our local gov’ts from overspending (and thus from over taxing).

The auto insurance is very high due to the required PIP insurance.

We used to have no fault, with mandatory medical coverage here back when we moved here from California, and guess what? Auto insurance was cheaper here.

The homeowners are very high as the insurers are required to pay for sinkhole claims.

Out here they’re required to cover hail and wind damage to rooftops, which happens a lot. Yet I pay $800 a year for a $350K house.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 10:23:55

As I’ve said before, whenever I read about how much you East Coast guys pay in property taxes and insurance, my mind simply boggles. You could buy a small house out here just with that money.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 10:51:46

Although I know all of their #s are BS
I went to the realtytrac site and by pointing at the states it says how many foreclosures and how many homes for sale.

Colorado
26,071 foreclosures
25,665 homes for sale

Florida
178,980 foreclosures
101,928 homes for sale

California
284,244 foreclosures
56,152 homes for sale

From that Stern depo about Fannie having 600,000 Florida shadow foreclosures and that adding up to over 2 million toal shadow foreclosures in Florida alone. If that`s true I wonder what that would make the total shadow inventory in the rest of the country?

http://www.realtytrac.com/mapsearch/ - 204k

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-01-16 10:56:54

That wasn’t meant to be a stab at you Colorado. More general satire than anything else.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 11:04:57

“As I’ve said before, whenever I read about how much you East Coast guys pay in property taxes and insurance, my mind simply boggles. You could buy a small house out here just with that money.”

By all of your accounts Colorado sounds like a great place to live. If I were you I would keep quiet about it or it won`t be for long. :)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 11:10:23

I know, just replying to Jeff who things that everyplace is like crooked Florida.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 11:32:33

“I know, just replying to Jeff who things that everyplace is like crooked Florida.”

Not everyplace, but New York and New Jersey seem to be doing pretty well.

Foreclosure wait time drags to 806 days in Florida
At 806 days, Florida ranks third nationally for the average length of time it takes to foreclose on a home, trailing only New York (1019 days) and New Jersey (954 days). The national average is 348 days.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/foreclosures/foreclosure-wait-time-drags-to-806-days-in-2097004.html?printArticle=y - 19k -

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 11:35:31

District Of Columbia Foreclosures (176)

176 foreclosures in DC? I walk my dog past that many every night.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 12:12:52

Not everyplace, but New York and New Jersey seem to be doing pretty well.

Isn’t Florida full of people from NY and New Jersey?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 12:24:07

176 foreclosures in DC? I walk my dog past that many every night.

I can rattle off 10 foreclosures within easy walking distance of the Arizona Slim Ranch. None are on the market right now, but they have been in the last three or four years.

What I’m starting to see more of is the shadow inventory. I can think of two places very nearby, possibly a third. No one living in them, and it’s not like they’re being spruced up for sale or for the next tenant.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 13:20:08

“Not everyplace, but New York and New Jersey seem to be doing pretty well.”

“Isn’t Florida full of people from NY and New Jersey?”

He`s got a point there!

My current DB LL is from New Jersey and my last DB LL is from Long Island.

 
Comment by Posers
2012-01-16 17:34:40

What’s been forgotten in all this “which place is cheaper to leave in” talk is that health insurance costs are also MUCH higher in places like New York and New Jersey than they are elsewhere.

You Empire State dezinens are nuts to pay out the nose as you do. It is NOT the same elsewhere.

 
 
 
Comment by Insurance Guy
2012-01-16 09:22:18

The homeowners are very high as the insurers are required to pay for sinkhole claims. Of course every crack in the foundation is a sinkhole.

The auto insurance is very high due to the required PIP insurance. There is no way for an insurer to deny the claim so each claim gets paid very quickly. There is no evidence of injury except the friendly doctor.

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-01-16 07:48:44

Yesterday I said no one was building 3x income homes in our locality. But then I found this one in Dewitt for $224k. It’s probably a Ryan home. I told you what our inspector friend said about one of those. The number and type of shortcuts they took were attrocious. But here’s why I’m bringing this up.

This is about 20% less than the cheapest Ryan home used to be offered for in 2007.

So now we’ve got at least one of the major builders showing us they get the idea that they’ve got to come down in price. It’s a start.

http://cnyhomes.com/Listing/Search/info.cgi?mlnum=S265416

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-16 07:57:09

Isn’t it interesting the people who know nothing about estimating, bidding or construction management seem to know what prices “ought” to be?

Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-01-16 15:10:06

“Isn’t it interesting the people who know nothing about estimating, bidding or construction management seem to know what prices “ought” to be?”

Huh? My post’s main point was that one single builder’s base price had come down. If you look again there is no mention of where any price “ought” to be. Are you referring to the 3x income point? I thought that was an accepted HBB target. I’m sorry if that isn’t true.

It’s well below the 3x income for us and I have often stated we make the least of almost anyone I know which is mostly couples born before 1965. Many of us have equity from past purchases ready for a down payment. Ours came from living on the coast and we are hardly the only ones to come from there. I never said it was the end all, be all. I only said it was a start. A ray of hope.

Are you referring to my husband and the inspector? Well then you’d be wrong on that point. My husband had an extensive construction background which included all 3 of those tasks before moving into engineering and so does the other gentleman. Why do you talk like nobody but you has any experience? Do you take care of every construction consideration in the entire upstate region? If not, perhaps there are others out there that could just offer some input.

I read this thread and then had to go out again before I could respond. All I could think of is how we used to say the PTB would soon turn on each other as the resources got tighter. Obviously they won’t be the only ones.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-16 16:00:39

Carrie it wasn’t about you. Your post jogged the thought is all.

Peace

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 08:16:52

Wikipedia says Syracuse median family income is $33,000. So that house is 6.8x median income. (Although of course any house is 3x someone’s income.)

Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 09:05:06

Holey moley, that’s a low median family income. In little old Loveland the median is 54K (and it has been falling), taxes are WAY lower and yet houses aren’t moving here.

Comment by Posers
2012-01-16 17:31:26

That’s because there are too many $350K houses in Loveland. Probably way too many $175K houses around as well.

It’s hard to justify either on $54K annual income that’s headed downward.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 10:27:03

More like $60K. Dewitt is not in the city of Syracuse, it’s a suburb.

 
Comment by eastcoaster
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 14:20:32

DeWitt’s median household income is $57,000, so the house is ~4x income.

But is separating a suburb off from its metropolitan area a legitimate way to decide if houses are priced properly?

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-01-16 14:49:14

“Wikipedia says Syracuse median family income is $33,000. So that house is 6.8x median income. (Although of course any house is 3x someone’s income.)”

Yeah, the Jamesville Dewitt district is a tough one to label. Dewitt is really part of Syracuse which let’s face it is mostly depressed, so that part of D does have depressed prices, and part of Jamesville is rural which has a lot of older agricultural lots up the hills. Really better have a nice SUV for the winters on those roads. But to really have an idea of what’s been built w/in the last decade there you might want to look at what’s for sale right now at the top. That data website doesn’t even begin to tell that story.

http://cnyhomes.com/Listing/

Pull up Jamesville-Dewitt school district in the drop down menu. Look at all the places at the high end. Does this look a $33k neighborhood? Really, the towns incomes are scewed to the lower end overall but that doesn’t mean the higher end isn’t there.

Of course, these homes could be the Calif strawberry picker storyline but I don’t think so only because we really don’t have that many interest only loans in this area. I know cuz the Fed Reserve used to post those numbers. They’re extremely low in this area. I always imagined many of those were owned by the doctors who had to make emergency jaunts into the hospitals.

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 08:41:32

“America has defaulted on this promissory note…but we refuse to believe that the Bank of Justice is bankrupt”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smEqnnklfYs

Happy Martin Luther King day. One of the greatest Americans in history.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 09:10:13

My brother lives in North Carolina. When his kids were younger he sent them to a (white) Baptist school (supposedly for the “values”). In said school they did not celebrate the Rev. King, because he was a “bad man” (because he cheated on his wife).

This did not go unnoticed by my brother, whose kids are a nice chocolate brown color (because of his Mexican wife) and after doing some simple reasoning he eventually pulled them from what he later called “the KKK school”.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 12:29:08

This did not go unnoticed by my brother, whose kids are a nice chocolate brown color (because of his Mexican wife) and after doing some simple reasoning he eventually pulled them from what he later called “the KKK school”.

True story from my growing up years: Next-door neighbors were a couple of bigots who tried their hardest to raise four bigoted children. And they almost succeeded.

Well, wouldn’t you know it, the oldest son joined the Navy, and while he was in service, he fell in love. The lady was Filipina and she was the single mother of two very nice looking boys. They got married.

Well, next thing to wonder about was what the union of my neighbor and this lady would produce. The answer was a terminally cute baby girl who stole her grandparents’ heart and bossed her old step brothers around from the git-go.

 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 12:46:56

FREE AT LAST
FREE AT LAST
THANK GOD ALMIGHTY MY HOUSE IS FREE AT LAST!

 
Comment by Wolf
2012-01-17 12:17:36

And a plagiarist. (King plagiarized his doctoral dissertation) And a serial womanizer. While none of us are perfect, King had some major character defects.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-01-16 08:46:11

From Nouriel Roubini’s latest missive:

Given the bearish outlook for US economic growth, the Fed can be expected to engage in another round of quantitative easing. But the Fed also faces political constraints, and will do too little, and move too late, to help the economy significantly. Moreover, a vocal minority on the Fed’s rate-setting Federal Open Market Committee is against further easing. In any case, monetary policy can address only liquidity problems – and banks are flush with excess reserves.

Most importantly, the US – and many other advanced economies – remains in the early stages of a deleveraging cycle. A recession caused by too much debt and leverage (first in the private sector, and then on public balance sheets) will require a long period of spending less and saving more. This year will be no different, as public-sector deleveraging has barely started.

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/roubini46/English

Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 10:14:10

But the Fed also faces political constraints, and will do too little, and move too late, to help the economy significantly.

While prices at the pump and at the grocery store skyrocket.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 12:50:29

You lie! Just ask some folks here who haven’t seen ANY inflation.

(I’m still trying to figure out where they live)

Comment by measton
2012-01-16 20:53:21

They live in houses that are falling in value.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 10:18:38

“In any case, monetary policy can address only liquidity problems – and banks are flush with excess reserves.”

In short, QE3 would represent a futile attempt to loosen a nonexistent liquidity constraint on the banking system.

Comment by Neuromance
2012-01-16 12:31:58

But wouldn’t it create inflationary pressure, pump the stock market, increase rents, force people to invest in inflation hedges (like real estate), and force those irresponsible savers into more palatable-to-Wall-Street riskier investments?

The Fed’s cluelessness can be surprising, but I doubt they’re clueless about the results of their own actions. They’re not idiots, just myopic.

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2012-01-16 08:49:52

DeWitt is a suburb of Syracuse, and its median income might be $75K if you exclude renters.

The question is, why are people still buying those dopey McMansions. Rather than a fuel-efficient row house, in a place where you can walk to things so you only need one car, and you aren’t stranded when 30 inches of snow falls?

They are building in a big heating bill.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 09:14:55

It’s 2000 sq ft. Roomy, but hardly a McMansion.

Rather than a fuel-efficient row house

Isn’t a “row house” just another name for a townhouse? You need to be careful when buying one of those, as your neighbors are just a shared wall away from you. Bad neighbors suck WAY more in a town house vs. detached.

Comment by The_Overdog
2012-01-16 09:17:41

Row house is another name for a 3 story (maybe 4 with a basement) trailerhouse.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2012-01-16 09:26:18

It looks way bigger than 2,000 square feet. What is it, 10 feet deep?

Bad neighbors stink in any event.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 10:12:33

Why would they advertise it for less sq ft than it has?

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Comment by scdave
2012-01-16 09:45:11

Isn’t a “row house” just another name for a townhouse ??

In floor plan design maybe…

A row house will be fee simple without the commons…Townhomes will always have the commons even if the townhome itself is owned fee simple…

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-16 09:40:34

The address actually says Jamesville, but when I put that in the wikipedia search, it directed me to Syracuse, so I went with it.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 10:10:54

Bank foreclosing on O.J. Simpson’s Florida house

MIAMI (AP) — A bank is foreclosing on the Florida home of O.J. Simpson, who is serving time in a Nevada prison for kidnapping, armed robbery and other charges.

Miami-Dade Circuit Court records show that JPMorgan Chase filed for foreclosure in September. Simpson’s attorneys have since filed a motion to dismiss the case.

Simpson bought the four-bedroom, four-bath house south of downtown Miami in 2000 for $575,000. Its current assessed value is $478,401.

The 64-year-old former football star and actor is serving a nine-to-33-year prison sentence in a 2007 armed confrontation with sports memorabilia dealers in a Las Vegas casino hotel room.

Simpson was acquitted in 1995 in the Los Angeles slayings of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 12:31:08

Simpson was acquitted in 1995 in the Los Angeles slayings of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman.

I predict that, on his death bed, OJ will confess to these murders. Why? Because he’ll probably have some sort of attack of conscience and decide that it’s time to get right with God. Or something like that.

Comment by Neuromance
2012-01-16 12:40:09

A man who would butcher two people with a knife because of jealously and possessiveness is a pyschopath. Pyschopaths really are different from the rest of us.

I recently read an old article on the Columbine massacre. It complemented my other reading on psychopaths and reinforced my notions.

I don’t think OJ feels a whit of remorse. In fact, thinking about how he stuck it to his ex and her boytoy, and got away with it in the national spotlight, probably gives him a deep sense of satisfaction.

Comment by Steve J
2012-01-16 13:29:11

Students and teachers were just convenient quarry, what Timothy McVeigh described as “collateral damage.”

Collateral damage is what we now call the women and children we kill in Pakistan with drone aircraft flown by the CIA.

I’m not sure that there is a difference.

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Comment by Neuromance
2012-01-16 18:27:02

I think there’s a bit of a difference between a soldier that accidentally kills noncombatants in wartime and a civilian who does it to others in peacetime.

I recall the cockpit recordings of the A-10 pilots who shot up a British convoy in Iraq before they realized what they were doing. The one pilot was just about in tears, and the other pilot was trying to keep him steady on the flight back. They were both horrified by what they’d accidentally done.

In Ken Burns’ documentary on World War II, a fighter pilot said he did what he did because it was his job and the better he did it, the sooner he could go home. This same fighter pilot talked about an episode when his fighter was hit and it caught fire. He’d seen what happened to pilots who burned and landed their aircraft. He said he didn’t want that. So he flipped the fighter over and raced for the ground thinking he was going to crash at top speed rather than suffer like they did. When he flipped the fighter, the wind pattern changed and by luck, blew the fire out.

That’s the kind of thing going on in war.

A civilian slaughtering other civilians in peacetime for personal satisfaction vesus a soldier doing his job in wartime. Yes, the results can be horrific both ways. And the rationales matter little to the dead. But regarding the perpetrators… they’re not necessarily sociopaths.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-01-17 01:47:09

My guess is that he believes she had it coming. Psychopaths are never at fault. That’s why we call these people “psychopaths.”

 
 
 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 12:53:07

That coke head deserves what he’s getting.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 10:24:24

Decoupling ain’t all that…

Asia Markets Archives
Jan. 16, 2012, 3:28 a.m. EST
Asian stocks hit hard by S&P’s Europe downgrades
By Virginia Harrison and V. Phani Kumar, MarketWatch

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Asian markets were beaten down Monday, with mainland Chinese stocks falling for a fourth-straight session, as a string of euro-zone downgrades from Standard & Poor’s and stalled debt talks in Greece thrust Europe’s crisis back into the spotlight.

Japan’s Nikkei Stock Average (JP:NIK -1.43%) fell 1.4% to 8,378.36, Australia’s S&P/ASX 200 index (AU:XJO -1.16%) dropped 1.2% to 4,147.20 and South Korea’s Kospi (KR:0100 -0.87%) declined 0.9% to 1,859.27.

China’s Shanghai Composite (CN:000001 -1.71%) shed 1.7% to 2,206.19, Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index (HK:HSI -1.00%) lost 1% to 19,012.20 and Taiwan’s Taiex (XX:Y9999 -1.09%) shed 1.1% to 7,103.62, with President Ma Ying-jeou’s election victory unable to dent the Europe-inspired gloom. Read more on Taiwan election.

Ratings agency Standard & Poor’s cut France and Austria’s triple-A credit ratings by one notch Friday, in addition to also lowering the ratings of Italy, Spain, Malta, Slovenia, Slovakia, Portugal and Cyprus. Read more on S&P downgrades.

People are looking at the repercussions of the downgrades,” said Tom Kaan, director of equity sales at Louis Capital Markets in Hong Kong.

The pertinent issue is not the sovereign-debt cuts, it’s the ensuing downgrades for the French banks. That is creating a lot of negativity in the market,” Kaan said. “The contagion impact will be on the U.K. and the U.S. banks as well,” he added.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 10:26:10

This is shaping up to be a volatile week in global stock markets.

Jan. 13, 2012, 11:52 a.m. EST
Greek debt talks break down
Some German lawmakers see Greek exit as manageable

By William L. Watts, MarketWatch

FRANKFURT (MarketWatch) — Talks between private creditors and Greece on a voluntary restructuring of government debt appeared to break down Friday, with negotiators representing the private sector citing the lack of a “constructive, consolidated response by all parties.”

A deal on a proposed 50% writedown on the value of Greek debt held by the private sector is a prerequisite for Athens to receive further rescue funds from the International Monetary Fund and the European Union secured as part of a second bailout agreement reached last October.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 10:29:47

Yawn…

US Dollar Ready to Break to 12 Month Highs if Euro Collapses
By John Kicklighter, Currency Strategist
14 January 2012 05:08 GMT

Fundamental Forecast for the US Dollar: Bullish

* Rating agency Standard & Poor’s looks to spark market-wide risk trend with broad EZ downgrades
* Eight-month high in confidence, drawing a greater contrast between US and global growth outlook
* Euro under pressure and dollar finds safe haven demand into the week’s close

When you boil it down, the US dollar’s current role in the global financial market is the safe haven and liquidity provider of last resort. To drive the greenback higher, a slide in risk appetite and deterioration in normal market function would represent the ideal fundamental conditions. That being the case, we may finally see a passive appeal for the benchmark turn into a genuine trend moving in the week ahead if the Euro Zone’s fresh sovereign debt troubles infect underlying risk appetite trends.

So far this year, we have yet to see a meaningful rebound in trading activity – bullish or bearish. Between the fading outlook for economic activity, yields and financial health and the hope that policy officials will foot the bill with stimulus; the masses seem to have kept to the sidelines rather than instigate a wholesale deleverage or add to bailout-dependent positions. However, it is only a matter of time before this particularly immense fundamental clash takes a definitive bearing. And, considering the woeful lack of consistent yield to be found in the market along with the steady economic and financial troubles rolling in; fear is by far the more pressing emotion.

What we lack to start the dollar and capital markets moving is a catalyst with enough influence to convince the masses to abandon their comfortable stasis. Friday’s fireworks may provide the necessary spark to pull speculative interests down to fundamental reality. Standard & Poor’s (the rating agency that cut the United States’ top AAA rating last year) delivered a series of critical downgrades to the Euro Zone after the market close on Friday. The highest profile cuts came from France and Austria which lost their AAA-status and were left with a negative outlook (which suggests there is a 50 percent chance of further downgrade over the coming two years). However, arguably more systemic were cuts to Italy, Spain and Portugal. Portugal debt is now ‘junk’ status and Spain’s cut further exposes the lack of transparency in the region’s exposure. Yet, as Standard & Poor’s and Fitch have both stated, Italy is the most highly exposed to further market deterioration and presents the greatest threat to intensifying the world’s worst financial crisis.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 12:32:12

US Dollar Ready to Break to 12 Month Highs if Euro Collapses

As we’ve said here before, the United States will probably come out smelling like a rose. Why? Because we suck less! USA! USA! We suck less!

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 10:32:14

Jan. 13, 2012, 7:13 p.m. EST
S&P hits euro zone with downgrades
France loses triple-A, Italy, Spain and Portugal cut by two notches
By William L. Watts and Christopher Noble, MarketWatch

FRANKFURT (MarketWatch) — Ratings agency Standard & Poor’s on Friday stripped France of its coveted triple-A credit rating and reduced Portugal’s debt status to junk as part of a broad reassessment of Europe’s financial soundness that highlights the severity of the euro zone’s persistent sovereign debt crisis and complicates efforts to resolve it.

Germany escaped S&P’s scrutiny unharmed. It’s triple-A credit rating was left unchanged and given a stable outlook.

S&P’s steps were certain to make it more difficult for European leaders to solve the debt crisis and could trigger a period of volatility in financial markets similar to what investors experienced in the wake of S&P’s downgrade of the United States last year, said Jeremy Hare, Managing Director of Investments at Gilford Securities. S&P’s moves would also, Hare said, shine a harsh light on the leaders’ ineffectual efforts to solve the crisis.

“It hits them right on the chin,” Hare said. “S&P is calling (German Chancellor Angela) Merkel out and saying, ‘Hey, fix the problem’.”

S&P cut France, Austria, Malta, Slovakia and Slovenia by one notch, stripping France and Austria of rare triple-A ratings that were key to their ability to support efforts to rescue struggling euro zone members. The ratings agency also downgraded by two notches Italy, Spain, Portugal and Cyprus. Portugal and Cyprus were cut to junk status.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-16 10:32:53

I’ll say it again…..

Isn’t it interesting that those who know nothing about bidding, estimating or construction management seem to know what the price of housing ought to be?

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-16 10:49:02

Realtors were wrong

Buyers were wrong

Banks were wrong

Govt was wrong

Yet everyone seems to apologize for one party or another, even they’re all are wrong. Why align yourself with a party who is wrong?

Isn’t truth better?

 
Comment by SV guy
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 13:01:32

Game set and match.
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At one point during these deals, Verschleiser reamed out his immediate subordinate, co-head of mortgage finance Baron Silverstein, over the “problem” of the due diligence department taking too much time to do its work. Silverstein responded by issuing the following tirade to John Mongelluzzo, Bear’s VP for Due Diligence, demanding that he not get in the way of Bear’s insane goal of funding 500 mortgages a day:

I refuse to receive more emails from [Verchleiser] (or anyone else) questioning why we’re not funding loans every day. I’m holding each of you responsible for making sure we fund at least 500 each and every day… I was not happy when I saw the funding numbers and I knew NY would NOT BE HAPPY… I expect to see 500+ every day. I will do whatever is necessary to make sure you’re successful in meeting this objective.

Whenever any right-wing loon, or Bloombergite, tries to tell you the mortgage crisis was caused by the government forcing the poor banks to lend to broke black people, please direct them to this passage. The banks not only wanted to give out these loans, they wanted to give them out at the speed of light. They wanted to crank them out so fast that their own auditors literally couldn’t read the writing on the loan applications. This was greed, not policy. Anybody who says anything else is high on something.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-01-16 14:05:42

FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!

Who were the only people who profited from this/got their money up front?

I’m done beating my head against this wall. The sheeple out here want to blame the subprime borrowers, and the government for “forcing” the banksters to loan them the money.

Sorry, I’m just depressed today. We’re three and a half years into this, and NOTHING HAS CHANGED. I’m tired of working another year 10% more, for 30% less. I’m going to Nebraska Furniture Mart this afternoon, to find a nice cardboard box.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 16:44:36

er, hate to make your day even worse, but we’re 5 YEARS into this.

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Comment by SV guy
2012-01-16 11:00:52

Anybody hear from Oxy lately?

Polly?

Comment by Neuromance
2012-01-16 12:42:43

Oxide got a bit of a tongue lashing from a few posters some weeks back and stopped posting.

Comment by Elanor
2012-01-16 13:04:20

A few? I can only think of one, and he’s in India for the next month. So oxide, if you are lurking, it’s safe to come back now!

 
 
Comment by polly
2012-01-16 14:11:41

I’m only individually in touch with two of our fellow posters and Oxide isn’t one of them. Sorry.

Comment by ahansen
2012-01-17 01:56:15

Oxy, Oxy, all in free. Please, hon?
We need you.

 
 
 
Comment by Bub Diddley
2012-01-16 11:04:20

Interesting article. I especially liked the contrasting of how other countries/cultures view the idea of adult children staying/moving back home with their families:

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/16/get_used_to_living_with_mom_and_dad/singleton/#comments

Get used to living with Mom and Dad - The era of empty nests may be over unless we change our work culture and our economy.

“They are a generation that has been caught by a series of unfortunate, overlapping trends that put them at a disadvantage for becoming independent the way their parents did. They’re entering a very unfriendly labor market that is particularly punishing to young workers. With the housing implosion in the United States, they’re still entering a housing system in which owner-occupied housing is very expensive. So, they have lower wages, if they have wages at all; they have high housing cost; and, in the advanced countries, there are ever more demanding credential races to qualify for professional employment. If they’re aspiring to be middle- or upper-middle class, the length of time it takes to pile up the education you need to qualify for the jobs to make that possible is getting longer and longer and more and more expensive.”

Comment by In Colorado
2012-01-16 11:16:08

If they’re aspiring to be middle- or upper-middle class, the length of time it takes to pile up the education you need to qualify for the jobs to make that possible is getting longer and longer and more and more expensive.

My son wants to be a HS teacher. He understands that he will need at least a Master’s degree to get his foot in the door, and is even considering a PhD. Fortunately we have a State U nearby that is nationally known as a teacher’s school, so he’ll be able to get that PhD without taking on too much debt (relatively speaking).

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-01-16 13:04:05

Where has this author been for the last 30 years?

Nothing new here except that the folks who once thought themselves untouchable (white collar middle class) have now been thrown under the bus as well.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-01-16 13:54:01

You will notice that there is a lot of public hand wringing by the PTB, but actual concrete solutions? Zero……

Government can “fix” this, by promoting policies that increase employment (carrots), and by beating the crap out of companies who are outsourcing/active participants in Global Wage Arbitrage (aka “sticks”).

The Democrats profess they are worried about this, but actions speak louder than words.

The Republicans believe government that interferes with “free enterprise” should be abolished altogether….the functional equivalent of letting the rest of the world pick over our carcass like the vultures they are closely related to.

The only “government” Republicans seem to support is the part that bombs/shoots the crap out of everyone who can’t fight back, and the parts that put the “right” people in jail.

I’ve got one granddaughter, but I’m advising all my kids to avoid having children. It’s “Back to the Future” for the US of A. Haven’t decided if we are going back to the days of Upton Sinclair, or we’ll overshoot and go back to the Spanish Inquisition.

 
Comment by Bub Diddley
2012-01-16 14:18:44

Where has this author been for the last 30 years?

Nothing new here except that the folks who once thought themselves untouchable (white collar middle class) have now been thrown under the bus as well.

Not that I disagree, but I thought the interview raised some interesting points. Like this one:

“In the United States, I came to find that people forget these huge investments that were made by the whole society in the form of, for example, the GI Bill, which really made a difference in the trajectory of those generations. It allowed them to become homeowners; it allowed them to get a college education – the first in their families ever to do so. They wouldn’t have been able to do either of those things if it were not for huge investments that we made, through government, in their well-being. Now, of course, this was seen as a tribute to soldiers – and it was, of course. But when you interview people [of that generation] and ask them, “How did you manage to become a homeowner?” they almost never mention the GI Bill. It’s not that they would deny it if you asked them, but if you just ask them, “Well, how did this happen?” the account is very much one of: “Well, I worked hard. I saved my money. I didn’t go out to eat. I had very modest tastes. The problem with the next generation is that they’re spending money freely and they have expectations that are too high, and they’re not as disciplined.” It’s all down to the personality of the generation rather than these huge economic structures that really do play a powerful role in determining where any individual or family ends up.”

That whole “get your government hands off my Medicare” attitude is rampant in the older generations. Somehow, any government programs they benefited from are completely forgotten, or don’t count, while ones that would help future generations are a problem to be eliminated.

I also found this fascinating:

“We do have some housing that’s cheap – not homeownership, but we have dormitories on college campuses, we have rental housing that people can share with roommates. You’d think that that’s the way the whole world is organized, but it’s not true. In Spain, in Italy, there are no dormitories, there’s very little rental housing. In Japan there’s almost no rental housing. So, if you don’t have the money or the kind of job that you will need to have for a bank to lend you money for a mortgage, you’re not going to be able to move out because you’ve only got two options: You live at home or you buy a house.”

I did not now that other countries lacked rental housing like in the U.S. to such an extreme degree. So, hey, complain if you want that the author they are talking to hasn’t been paying attention, but I at least learned something from this interview.

 
Comment by Posers
2012-01-16 17:54:35

I know of NO white collar middle class workers born after 1958 or so who have even once thought of themselves as untouchable.

I’ve been in the professional workforce for 25 years, 18 of it in corporate.

White collar workers of my age cohort (especially white males) have been routinely thrown under the bus ever since I started working back in the mid-1980s.

 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-16 11:37:25

Somethings not right here…. I’m getting “fashion and beauty” ads on the HBB today.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 12:27:16

I’m getting turbo tax. Guess I’ve been visiting all the wrong websites.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-01-16 12:32:39

lol…. dude…… “fashion and beauty” sites are just not my style.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-01-16 13:34:18

I don’t know……you know how these new computer algorithms are. They know stuff about you before you know them yourself.

We’ll know for sure when you start getting ads for the Bravo Channel. :)

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Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 13:10:47

I`m getting Four ways to avoid running out of money during retirement.

I’m afraid I’ve been typecast.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-01-16 16:40:56

The ads are too funny recently. GlobalIndustrial has been trying to sell me steel and poly 55gal drums for the past week. :-)

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 12:00:45

Slim here. And I have good news from a gray day here in Tucson.

The good news is that I won an award for the photography book I created last year. It’s some sort of Tucson Advertising Federation Addy Award. Gold? Silver? Bronze? I don’t know yet. The awards ceremony is next month.

Will keep you posted!

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 13:29:26

“The good news is that I won an award for the photography book I created last year”

Oo-wah-hooo, hoo-hoo.

 
Comment by BlueStar
2012-01-16 13:49:53

I’m very impressed Slim. The presentation is A+ and I enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing your travels.

PS: I have been to that exact same spot in Tunica Miss.(pg. 17) when I was on a Blues sojourn back in the 90′ visiting the grave sites of various blues legends like Robert Johnson, Sonny Boy Williamson & Charlie Patton.

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-01-16 13:51:07

Good for you Slim!

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-01-16 18:06:14

That’s awsome Slim!

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-01-16 18:48:53

Congrats 8)

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-01-16 20:23:47

Congrats, Slim! Nice book. I especially like the photo of the grasshopper on the wheel.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-01-17 02:04:10

Congrats, girl!

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-01-17 03:42:32

Nice work, Slim! Slainte!

 
 
Comment by BlueStar
2012-01-16 13:15:00

Ben - Here is your chance to give a big F.U. to the PTB. Join the Stop SOPA movement and shut down the HBB blog for 24 hours on Wednesday.

1/16/12 - Wikipedia will shut down for 24 hours Wednesday to protest the Stop Online Piracy Act, founder Jimmy Wales announced on Monday.
In doing so, Wikipedia joins a long list of web companies such as Reddit and Mozilla that are taking similar measures against the proposed legislation.

Use the Force Ben, use the Force!

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 13:45:58

Ben - Here is your chance to give a big F.U. to the PTB. Join the Stop SOPA movement and shut down the HBB blog for 24 hours on Wednesday.

Looks like Wednesday will be a great day for getting work done (grin).

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 16:06:00

Apparently, the U.S. is not the only nation where organized crime has made significant inroads to the banking system.

SA Time: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 1:03:29 AM
Mafia cashing in on Italy’s euro crisis
January 16 2012 at 02:52pm

TAKING STEPS TO AVOID BAD TIMES: Banners depicting the pictures of Italian magistrates Giorgio Ambrosoli, Emilio Alessandrini and Guido Galli killed more than 30 years ago, hang from the Justice Palace in Milan in this file picture. As the Italian economy slips into a recession and its banks answer regulatory pressure by curbing loans, more troubled firms could be tempted to turn to Italys mafia organisations. Picture: Reuters

Milan, Italy

When Italian construction group Perego was struggling in 2008, a white knight flush with cash rode to its rescue. Unfortunately the “knight” was a powerful mafia organisation, the ’Ndrangheta, which went on to take control of the family-owned Lombardy business and tried to steer it on an expansion path, Italian justice authorities say.

“Luckily it failed,” said Milan judge Giuseppe Gennari. The group has since collapsed and former chairman Ivano Perego is awaiting trial for opening his door to the crime syndicate.

Comment by Neuromance
2012-01-16 18:46:59

They’re taking William K. Black’s book and words to heart: “The best way to rob a bank is to own one.”

The Mafia are not total dolts. They watch what’s going on. They aspire to the kind of looting the financial sector has done.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-01-16 19:15:07

In other Donegal news

MAN ARRESTED AFTER GOING BERSERK IN GYNECOLOGY WARD
January 10, 2012

HAMMER HORROR CASE: ‘I’M GLAD DONEGAL TOWN MAN IS BEHIND BARS FOR LIFE’
December 29, 2011

A HEARTBROKEN mother whose son was battered to death by a hammer-wielding Donegal Town man has said his conviction for murder has been a “relief” for the family.

WOMAN THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO DIE IN ATTACK
January 14, 2012

A WOMAN thought she was “going to die” when a man entered her bedroom and demanded she have sex with him, she has told a jury.

The woman said on day two of the Central Criminal Court trial that she vomited on the ground and wet herself when the man demanded she take her clothes off and told her to “jump on the bed, we are going to have sex”.

The 38-year-old man has pleaded not guilty to orally raping and sexually assaulting the woman in the house they shared in Donegal on October 30, 2010.

FARMER FINED AFTER ANIMALS FOUND DYING ON HIS LANDS
January 10, 2012

Gardai discovered a sheep skeleton and other dying animals when they raided a farm in Downings.
Gardai were tipped off by animal welfare officers about possible cases of cruelty on the farm of Joseph McBride, 56.

Sgt Christy Galligan told Letterkenny District Court that he had called to the farm at Murleog, Downings in February and March, 2010.

When he called he found a lame goat in poor condition, a dead lamb and the skeleton of a sheep.

The court was also told a number of other animals were in poor condition.

McBride was charged with failing to remove dead animals from his property

 
 
Comment by drumminj
2012-01-16 18:38:23

Reasons why it sucks to be a renter:

Your landlord may choose to not renew your lease, and move back into their house instead.

Time to start the hunt for new digs….

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-01-16 19:37:34

Back in 2004, my landlady told me to move out because she was planning on putting the house up for sale. Well, no skin off my nose because I was in the process of buying this-here Arizona Slim Ranch.

After I moved out, I heard through the grapevine that fixup work was happening back at my old digs.

Then, a few months after the grape spoke of the fixing-upping, I saw my former landlady. She’d just gotten over being seriously ill and the doctor bills were atrocious. That was before she was old enough for Medicare, and she didn’t have health insurance. Not to mention that she had to see several different doctors before one finally figured out what was wrong with here. That doctor treated her illness properly, and she got better.

Long story short, no home sale. She still lives in the same place today.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2012-01-16 18:57:47

The Party’s Over: How The West Went Bust

A two-hour documentary.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/party-over-how-west-went-bust/

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 19:53:05

If bailout funds are facing downgrades, is it safe to conclude that it is no longer turtles all the way down?

Jan. 16, 2012, 2:37 p.m. EST
S&P takes Europe’s rescue fund down a notch
By Kate Gibson

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Standard & Poor’s on Monday cut the rating of the European Financial Stability Facility to double-A-plus from triple-A, the rating agency said on its website. The downgrade to the euro-area’s bailout fund follows Friday’s downgrade by S&P of nine euro-region nations, including France.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 22:50:30

Which turtle next faces a credit downgrade?

WRAPUP 2-S&P downgrades euro zone rescue fund, Greece pressured
Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:23pm EST

* France says no need to shore up EFSF after downgrade

* S&P move follows cuts to ratings of France and Austria

* Little market reaction as downgrade expected

* Japan says EFSF bonds remain “attractive” investment

By Luke Baker

BRUSSELS, Jan 17 (Reuters) - U.S. rating agency Standard & Poor’s cut its credit rating of the euro zone’s EFSF rescue fund on Monday, and Greece was under pressure to break a deadlock in debt swap talks if it is to avoid an unruly default.

French Finance Minister Francois Baroin said there was no need to shore up the European Financial Stability Facility after S&P downgraded it by one notch to AA+ from triple-A, echoing the view of Germany, the only major euro zone member to retain a top-notch credit rating.

S&P said in a statement the decision was all but inevitable following identical cuts three days earlier to the creditworthiness of France and Austria, two of the EFSF’s guarantors.

“We consider that credit enhancements that would offset what we view as the now-reduced creditworthiness of the EFSF’s guarantors and securities backing the EFSF’s issues are currently not in place,” the agency said in a statement.

“We have therefore lowered to AA+ the issuer credit rating of the EFSF, as well as the issue ratings on its long-term debt securities.”

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2012-01-16 21:11:20

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=200636

Meet the new boss; same as the old boss (Romney & Obama).

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 22:55:11

I’m thinking it might be prudent to keep one’s cash under the mattress for the six weeks (46 days) until the Greek situation is resolved. No sense in catching yourself a falling knife…

Real Time Brussels
Insight and analysis from The Wall Street Journal and Dow Jones team in Brussels

January 16, 2012, 5:22 AM

46 Days to Avoid Greek Default
By Matina Stevis

While the market was moving on news that Standard & Poor’s had downgraded nine euro-area countries, including triple-A France, news from Athens that the debt-restructuring talks there have been suspended should really be of bigger concern to market participants and policy makers.

Greece has very little time left to complete the restructuring of its debt and avoid a “hard” default.

The latest from the Greek capital Monday was that talks would resume with a view to having a deal in place by Feb. 23, when euro-zone finance ministers will be meeting.

Here’s why it’s crucial that the deal is done as soon as possible, and why the schedule of 46 working days –including today- that Greece, the private sector, the euro zone and the International Monetary Fund have to complete it is very tight indeed.

Greece has a €14.4 billion bond maturing on March 20 that it can’t afford to pay in full, but the steps to be taken between now and then are many, technical, difficult and large.

We’ll go through those steps one by one, but before we do, it should be clear that if Greece doesn’t manage to complete the restructuring by March 20, it will go into a hard default. While the market has largely priced in this eventuality, the fulfillment of the scenario is ultimately unpredictable.

It first has to come to an agreement with its private-sector creditors. These talks have just been suspended and are said to resume next Wednesday.

If it doesn’t get high enough participation, Greece will likely force the rest of the creditors into the deal–making it an involuntary restructuring that most likely will trigger credit-default swap contracts.

In order to have the involuntary path available to it, Greece also needs to pass a law through parliament that will retrofit its bonds with collective-action clauses.

Greece must also publish a term sheet detailing the characteristics of the bonds it will offer (yield, maturity, etc.) and invite its bondholders to tender their bonds and receive the new ones.

Then the bondholders have to reflect on the deal for a while before formally accepting it–or indeed rejecting it.

In the eventuality of a forced restructuring, the country would have to physically hold a vote among creditors to ensure that a majority is on board, thus making use of the CACs to bind in the minority opposing the deal.

This is the stage where some creditors are likely to begin litigation processes against the country on various grounds.

Assuming all has gone smoothly thus far–or even that the CACs have been used and the minority bondholders have been forced in–the deal has to be consummated, i.e., bondholders must give Greece their old bonds and get new ones.

For the deal to be consummated, Greece’s not-too-happy euro-zone peers have to sign off on sending some €60 billion its way. Why? Because it will need €30 billion to recapitalize its own banks that will face collapse after they take the losses in their holdings of Greek debt and another €30 billion to give to the wounded bondholders as an upfront cash sweetener.

We are told the euro-zone countries will discuss these rather large disbursements at their Jan. 30 summit.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-01-16 22:59:03

GLOBAL VIEW
JANUARY 17, 2012

What Is Europe Sinking About?
The shipwreck of a cruise liner is a metaphor for a continent.
By BRET STEPHENS

The Lord works in mysterious ways, or so it is often said. But in an era when few can read His signs, those signs have a way of becoming a bit more obvious. Like 45-10. Or how about another Titanic-type event, right on the eve of the 100th anniversary of the first one, as a way of prefiguring some great European disaster?

OK, probably better to leave Him out of it. But as metaphors go, Friday night’s tragic-ridiculous shipwreck of a cruise liner off the Italian coast is an apt one for a continent in which nine countries had their credit ratings downgraded earlier that same day. Even the biggest ship can founder in calm waters if the captain is negligent. Even a rescue operation 50 feet from shore can turn into a fiasco if nobody has conducted a drill and the crew have no idea how to steer a lifeboat.

When the hors d’oeuvres are listing hard to starboard and the waiters tell you nothing’s wrong, something’s terribly wrong.

That last detail—from passenger accounts of the accident—reminded me of listening to European Council President Herman Van Rompuy in New York last fall, explaining that Greece would never default, that the euro zone’s financial position was not a serious cause for alarm, and that the main thing was to prevent further outbursts of market irrationalism. In other words, it wasn’t the ship that was sinking, in Mr. Van Rompuy’s view, it was just that the passengers had an odd way of occasionally going berserk.

This raises a vexing question: Why have European leaders consistently and almost weirdly misdiagnosed their own crisis? Probably because it was always easier to blame someone else.

Comment by butters
2012-01-18 14:40:11

They like Obama so can’t blame him.

Where’s the cowboy when you need him?

 
 
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