February 4, 2012

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Comment by Hard Rain
2012-02-04 04:55:43

For those who didn’t catch Daily Show Florida drug testing bit. Classic…

http://floridaindependent.com/67763/daily-show-welfare-drug-testing

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-04 15:21:27

LOL. And of course all the ‘get-tough’ pols refuse to take the drug test themselves, despite the fact they live on taxpayer money, too. It’s only for the poor people.

Is being a raging hypocrite a requirement for membership in today’s GOP? Or does it just work out that way somehow?

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2012-02-04 05:31:45

Gas is up, daycare is up, food is up, electric is up, water is up, car insurance is going up…

I’m about 3 months away from a Bank of Dad payday loan.

Sad for two working adults.

Comment by goon squad
2012-02-04 06:13:45

No they’re not. The Federal Reserve told us there’s no inflation cus i-pads are cheaper now.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-02-04 06:59:53

Yes, but you must remember the various ways they define “cheaper”. If the product has more features, or does more than its predecessor, then it is “cheaper”, even when it costs more.
They have formulas for computing how much more you get. I think it’s called a hedonic adjustment because it makes you feel better.

Comment by Jacko
2012-02-04 10:29:08

erm he was being ironic

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Comment by Liz Pendens
2012-02-04 10:48:43

Jacko doesn’t get it.

Free money makes everything go up. Why is that?

 
Comment by goon squad
2012-02-04 11:23:11

From the WSJ - 3/15/2011 - ‘I Can’t Eat an iPad’

The former Goldman Sachs chief economist gave a speech explaining the economy’s progress and the Fed’s successes, but come question time the main thing the crowd wanted to know was why they’re paying so much more for food and gas. Keep in mind the Fed doesn’t think food and gas prices matter to its policy calculations because they aren’t part of “core” inflation.

So Mr. Dudley tried to explain that other prices are falling. “Today you can buy an iPad 2 that costs the same as an iPad 1 that is twice as powerful,” he said. “You have to look at the prices of all things.”

Reuters reports that this “prompted guffaws and widespread murmuring from the audience,” with someone quipping, “I can’t eat an iPad.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 17:57:15

“I can’t eat an iPad.”

Substitution possibilities between iPads and staples such as food and energy, which are for some odd reason didacted from headline inflation figures, tend to only work in one direction: I don’t buy a lumpy, expensive iPad if I barely have enough money to eat or fill my gas tank. I hence find it odd that the Fed makes such a big deal out of falling luxury product prices (e.g. iPads) while downplaying inflation in necessities (food and energy).

 
Comment by MrBubble
2012-02-04 20:23:01

“I hence find it odd”

Really? Couldn’t that just be explained by the fact the you don’t really matter?

–Yours,
Reginald T. Moneybags III

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-02-04 06:18:04

OPINION
OCTOBER 20, 2011

Blame the Fed for the Financial Crisis

The Fed fails to grasp that an interest rate is a price, the price of time. Attempting to manipulate that price is as destructive as any other government price control.
By RON PAUL

To know what is wrong with the Federal Reserve, one must first understand the nature of money. Money is like any other good in our economy that emerges from the market to satisfy the needs and wants of consumers. Its particular usefulness is that it helps facilitate indirect exchange, making it easier for us to buy and sell goods because there is a common way of measuring their value. Money is not a government phenomenon, and it need not and should not be managed by government. When central banks like the Fed manage money they are engaging in price fixing, which leads not to prosperity but to disaster.

WSJ’s Danny Yadron discusses Ron Paul’s proposal for $1 trillion in budget cuts with “Mean Street” host Evan Newmark. Paul’s cuts would come in large part as a result of cutting several cabinet positions. AP Photo.

The Federal Reserve has caused every single boom and bust that has occurred in this country since the bank’s creation in 1913. It pumps new money into the financial system to lower interest rates and spur the economy. Adding new money increases the supply of money, making the price of money over time—the interest rate—lower than the market would make it. These lower interest rates affect the allocation of resources, causing capital to be malinvested throughout the economy. So certain projects and ventures that appear profitable when funded at artificially low interest rates are not in fact the best use of those resources.

Eventually, the economic boom created by the Fed’s actions is found to be unsustainable, and the bust ensues as this malinvested capital manifests itself in a surplus of capital goods, inventory overhangs, etc. Until these misdirected resources are put to a more productive use—the uses the free market actually desires—the economy stagnates.

The great contribution of the Austrian school of economics to economic theory was in its description of this business cycle: the process of booms and busts, and their origins in monetary intervention by the government in cooperation with the banking system. Yet policy makers at the Federal Reserve still fail to understand the causes of our most recent financial crisis. So they find themselves unable to come up with an adequate solution.

In many respects the governors of the Federal Reserve System and the members of the Federal Open Market Committee are like all other high-ranking powerful officials. Because they make decisions that profoundly affect the workings of the economy and because they have hundreds of bright economists working for them doing research and collecting data, they buy into the pretense of knowledge—the illusion that because they have all these resources at their fingertips they therefore have the ability to guide the economy as they see fit.

Nothing could be further from the truth. No attitude could be more destructive. What the Austrian economists Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich von Hayek victoriously asserted in the socialist calculation debate of the 1920s and 1930s—the notion that the marketplace, where people freely decide what they need and want to pay for, is the only effective way to allocate resources—may be obvious to many ordinary Americans. But it has not influenced government leaders today, who do not seem to see the importance of prices to the functioning of a market economy.

The manner of thinking of the Federal Reserve now is no different than that of the former Soviet Union, which employed hundreds of thousands of people to perform research and provide calculations in an attempt to mimic the price system of the West’s (relatively) free markets. Despite the obvious lesson to be drawn from the Soviet collapse, the U.S. still has not fully absorbed it.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-02-04 07:07:24

A most excellent summary of FED actions vs. the free market. I haven’t seen a better summary in some time. Unfortunately, the clowns who work in government and provide intellectual cover at all major universities and media outlets are Keynesian at the core and consider Austrian Economic theories as flawed, and Ludwig Von Mises as a kook. They can’t come up with good arguments to the contrary, but then, Keynesian “stimulus” ideologies support government handout programs and political graft. So, what do you think will be the prevailing “leading” economic thought?? Do think too hard.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 10:04:14

“…consider Austrian Economic theories as flawed, and Ludwig Von Mises as a kook. They can’t come up with good arguments to the contrary,…”

Economics risks losing its vaunted if fleeting reputation as a ’science’ if practitioners substitute pejorative labels for logical arguments to decide between competing theories.

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Comment by Neuromance
2012-02-04 17:08:52

Economics is a valid and necessary field of study. But it is closer to philosophy than anything else, IMHO.

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2012-02-04 12:10:09

Blame the Fed for the Financial Crisis

Bernanke doesn’t look as happy as Zuckerberg.

Comment by Robin
2012-02-04 23:57:45

Zuckerberg has saved face. Bernanke?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-04 15:33:46

The great contribution of the Austrian school of economics to economic theory was in its description of this business cycle: the process of booms and busts, and their origins in monetary intervention by the government in cooperation with the banking system.

And the great flaw in Austrian School theory is explaining how we had all those booms and busts prior to the Fed, even when we had no central bank at all. And when we were on the gold standard.

The Austrian School’s explanation? Those booms and busts didn’t really occur, history and contemporaneous accounts be damned.

Comment by Neuromance
2012-02-04 17:14:11

So there were booms and busts before the existence of the Fed. The Fed was conceived as a counterweight to dampen those oscillations. Yet the booms and bust still occur. Thus, there is some other mechanism causing booms and busts which needs to be identified.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-04 17:50:17

Yet the booms and bust still occur. Thus, there is some other mechanism causing booms and busts which needs to be identified.

The busts became much fewer and further in between. So it appears it was effective, although not 100%.

What needs to be identified is why we still have the occasional mega-bust.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-02-04 18:03:59

What needs to be identified is why we still have the occasional mega-bust.

Perhaps simply the accumulated small busts that were prevented?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-04 18:23:54

Perhaps simply the accumulated small busts that were prevented?

Yeah, the forest fire analogy. But we had smaller booms and busts- recessions- during that period. Why didn’t they burn off the scrub-brush?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 23:56:48

“But we had smaller booms and busts- recessions- during that period. Why didn’t they burn off the scrub-brush?”

Perhaps because they were remedied by adding more fuel to the raging long-term credit conflagration that burned a massive hole through Americas’ collective household savings?

Paradox of Thrift my arse!

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-05 04:42:28

Perhaps because they were remedied by adding more fuel to the raging long-term credit conflagration that burned a massive hole through Americas’ collective household savings?

How so? Debt to GDP was going down thorough the entire post WW2 period- until Reagan, of course- so it’s not like they just wildly spent their way out of every recession, and never turned off the spigot when the recessions ended.

Paradox of Thrift my arse!

Well, the gov is supposed to spend to remedy the paradox of thrift, so I’m not sure what you mean by that.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-02-04 08:57:57

Hi. I keep hearing (esp. from this blog) about food inflation I just don’t see it. I do shop the specials. But Muggy were you not looking to buy a house? If you are 3 months away from a payday loan maybe you should wait? Would you share your monthly budget?

Comment by polly
2012-02-04 09:48:19

The “good” sales are happening much less often. My cereal hasn’t been on sale for ages. I bring two Dove “promises” to work with my lunch each day. I usually stock up around Valentine’s Day. The sale prices are much higher than they were last year. Brocalli rarely goes as low as it used to go all the time. Apples and onions are higher too.

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-02-04 12:50:08

“But Muggy were you not looking to buy a house? ”

2010 was the last time I was looking to buy a house. I haven’t been looking seriously since then.

Budget (big stuff)

1,100 rent
1,144 daycare (going up)
200 electric (average)
80 water (average)
500 grocery
400 car loan
208 car insurance
80 cell phone
55 inet cable
15 garbage
310 gas

not included: clothes, haircuts, soap, shampoo, toliet paper, diapers, etc.

Comment by Anon In DC
2012-02-04 14:13:35

Lots in utilities! Yikes!

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Comment by Muggy
2012-02-04 14:39:46

I get murdered in utilities. It’s one part crappy windows/AC, and one part special flood hazard bs the county tacks onto my water bill ($30/mo. for storm sewer and swale construction).

 
 
Comment by chilidoggg
2012-02-04 16:06:50

I’m in Los Angeles, here’s part of my budget:
1,400 Rent
800 Groceries
320 Gasoline
50 Gas Utilities
45 Electricity

Water and trash paid by landlord. Two-bed 1 bath apartment in nicer part of town.

Two 4-cyclinder rice burners 7-10 years old, no long commutes, two adults two school-age children.

We do buy a lot of (too much) packaged food and shop at Trader Joe’s way too frequently.

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Comment by rms
2012-02-04 17:10:52

I’m up in eastern Washington’s Columbia Basin in an all electric 3/2 spec house that’s 1,550-SQFT, and I’m the sole income supporting a family of four:

$35 homeowner insurance policy
$95 electricity (average)
$75 water/garbage/sewer (average)
$800 groceries
$80 gasoline, two cars
$60 insurance, two cars
$70 daughter/wife cell phones
$15 satellite dish (local only)
$45.00 fiber optic (data)
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$1,275.00 (typical monthly expenses)

The typical rental expense for a house like ours would be $1200 +/- $100, but I just paid-off my mortgage. Medical and life insurance and dental expenses nearly double the above. We’re on easy street at the moment, but college tuition is just a few years away.

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Comment by rms
2012-02-04 17:28:44

Monthly property taxes are roughly $190.00

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-02-04 17:51:00

Yeah, car insurance in Florida, especially Tampa metro, is out of control. Thank you, fraudsters.

I want to barf whenever I see other people’s rates.

Need the barf .gif Ben!

 
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Comment by MrBubble
2012-02-04 20:27:08

Holy Cripes that a lot in car expenses! Don’t know how we’d do it. Borrowed a truck to pickup the chicken coop. Put a bunch of gas in it, but seriously, you only need one truck per block. Prepare for less.

 
Comment by skroodle
2012-02-04 21:53:32

I own a ‘98 Dodge 1500. Bought it for $1800 couple of years ago from a former brick mason because someone broke the lock, stole the stereo and destroyed the dash. Lousy paint job completes a vehicle I don’t bother to lock or roll the windows up because even the vagrants at the corner stop-n-rob won’t even mess with it once they get a look inside. Don’t hassle me for change either ’cause if I had money I wouldn’t drive a piece of shte truck like that.

 
 
 
Comment by chilidoggg
2012-02-04 15:50:44

I’m in Los Angeles and grocery store inflation is the highest in my adult lifetime. Polly is right the “good” sales are much less frequent (in particular bacon and Hebrew National franks - don’t ask!) I would say beef prices have gone up 20% in the past 2 years.

Comment by Ria Rhodes
2012-02-05 08:20:19

Sir Andrew:

“I am a great eater of beef and I believe that does harm my wit.”

Sir Toby:

“No question.”

- Shakespeare, Twelfth Night, Act I, Scene III

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Comment by Overtaxed
2012-02-04 10:16:37

But yet, inflation is “low” and we must continue to stimulate the economy to get it higher!

The inflation numbers are, and have been, baked for so long as to have become entirely meaningless. Sure, house prices (during the boom) were going up 40% a year, and yet, somehow, inflation was 3%. Considering that most people spend 20-40% of their income on housing, I find that number, prima facie, to be utter horse****.

The government just makes up the number they want and puts it in there. Now, with the rotating baskets of goods, they can actually almost show how their “math” works. But, either way, an inflation number that can “read” 2% when houses are going up 40% is useless. Let’s try again.

Inflation today is actually probably low/negative because of continually falling house prices. However, 2 wrongs don’t make a right here, we need the right number so that we actually have something to compare to moving forward.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-02-04 10:39:07

It’s already the law that future Social Security COLA increases won’t fully adjust to actual inflation.

Comment by combotechie
2012-02-04 16:23:11

Which means - what? - that prices may go up but there will be less money in people’s wallets to pay them?

What a great get-rich scheme! Raise prices on everything then you get to pocket all the profits after the inventory is sold off!

That used to work - it used to work in the Good Ol’ Days when people could easily spend money they didn’t have.

But now people need to (gasp) actually have money before they can spend any of it.

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Comment by Hi-Z
2012-02-05 08:30:48

“It’s already the law that future Social Security COLA increases won’t fully adjust to actual inflation.”

I am not aware of any law changes affecting the COLA calculation. I think the calculation is till the same as when the COLA was initiated in 1973. The COLA calculation is a function of the CPI-W however and the Fed can control the COLA via that vehicle but they define CPI-W as “actual inflation”.
If you have different information , can you share your source?

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Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2012-02-04 05:50:45

“Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-02-03 10:38:59
But an even bigger question remains about the reaction of governments, or their people, worldwide to cope with the economic stresses that are the result of the Greenspan Mania.

Whenever economies collapse from debt destruction, there are usually riots, revolution, and most often WAR.”

Wait, I don’t understand. Why would debt destruction collapse an economy?

One day I owe someone, and the next day I do not. This can only be good for me, right? That seems it should only boost the economy.

What could possibly be bad about debt destruction?

Comment by combotechie
2012-02-04 06:42:30

“One day I owe someone, and the next day I do not.”

“What could possibly be bad about debt destruction.”

Ask the guy who is on the wrong end of all this debt destruction, the guy who is owed but isn’t going to get paid.

Comment by skroodle
2012-02-04 09:04:40

Especially if that guy owes someone who owes someone…

 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2012-02-04 12:46:13

But, that would imply there is something that offsets debt.

What could that be?

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-02-04 15:47:02

I think Darrell just went Combotechie on us. ;-)

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-02-04 07:21:07

Debt destruction is always disruptive. However, there is no way to stop it. The economic philosophers under the Keynesian school of thinking believe they can control it, like Bernanke, with his FEEDING the sharks program. Debts that cannot be repaid, will not be repaid.
You should never allow a credit boom to produce mass mal-investment. This was what got Alan Greenspan on the cover of Time Magazine as the “maestro”. Remember that?
He knew how to stimulate growth by lowering interest rates and getting everyone into a frenzy. Then, looked with amazement at what he had wrought, and claimed “irrational exuberance”. REally?>
Shortly thereafter, when the collapse didn’t come on cue, but delayed, he believed his own fantasies as ‘financial innovation’,
resulting in the ‘great moderation’….. but, in the end, we had a CRASH, and DEBT overcame the ability to service it…..Bye. Bye.

Comment by combotechie
2012-02-04 08:03:33

“Debt destruction is always disruptive. However, there is no way to stop it.”

Very true. But there may be ways to avoid it, to avoid being among the many that will find themselves on the wrong end of this debt destruction.

Not all debt will be end up being destroyed; Some debts will pay off what money that is owed.

The trick for survival (and even for flourishing) is to discover which debts will be paid off and which ones won’t.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-02-04 09:38:58

to avoid being among the many that will find themselves on the wrong end of this debt destruction

Maxing out the CC’s and the filing for BK?

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Comment by Posers
2012-02-04 13:49:12

“The trick for survival (and even for flourishing) is to discover which debts will be paid off and which ones won’t.”

Now THAT is one heck of a comment, and I think a perfect topic for next weekend. No matter what each of us is thinking or doing financially, everyone could benefit by discussing it.

I hope you saw this, Ben.

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Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2012-02-04 12:48:21

I do not understand.

How does a debt boom create mal-investment?

Is there some offsetting factor to debt that I’m not getting?

How does lowering interest rates cause growth?

Surely I’m missing something here.

Come on man, just say it.

 
 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2012-02-04 05:52:11

“Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-02-03 09:16:39

You are going about this the wrong way. If you are still young enough to have 20 more years of work ahead of you, then here is a much better option:
Quit your jobs and get a government job”

I have applied for, and even been offered government jobs in the past. The problem is, they pay less.

When I was in the Navy, as an E6, I was making about 30K a year. It I recall, and I could be off since this is almost 20 years ago now, it was about $20K base pay and $10K housing and equivilants. When I was closing in on 8 years, I earned a BSCS, and was forced to make a decision between staying military or going civilian.

Military, I could have made $30K for another 12 years, then retired at 20 years. Retired pay would have been about half my base pay, or something like $10K a year. I was already E6, so promotions were going to slow down. Oppertunities for advancement were slim.

I chose to get out of the military. I was offerd a job at the place I was stationed, at $35K a year, but that was Hawaii and the cost of living was too high for a family of 5 on $35K.

I moved to Colorado. I was offered a job on Ft. Carson for $25K a year with a structured pay and limited advancement… Oh, but the pension is worth so much. Well, the people working there were working for the pension, so never left, and that created the limited room for advancement.

I was also offered a position at MCI for $30K with way more oppertunity for advancement. I also was offered 401(k) match (60% upto 5%) and a pension (1/2% per year vs. gvts 1%). 3 years later we were bought by WorldCom and the pension was first to go. 5 years after starting with MCI, I was making $50K. I decided it was time to move on and started looking. Government offered me $35K. I got a job making $65K for a tech company (man, was that an eye opener… watching the DotCom bubble from the inside).

9 years after getting out of the military I was making $72K a year when the tech wreck hit.

Sure, I gave up $10k a year for, probably about 40 years ($400K), but I was making $40K a year more than I would have.

When my company shut down the entire Colorado operation, I again went looking for work. Govt job offered about $45K. I got a job here in AZ at $70K. 10 years later, I’m up in the $80ks.

So, when you think about now much money those people are collecting in retirement, you also need to think about how much money they gave up during their working years, accepting the lower pay that came along with that pension.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 06:40:41

“I have applied for, and even been offered government jobs in the past. The problem is, they pay less.”

Words of economic wisdom I heard long ago from my freshman physics professor:

Life is a tradeoff.

Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2012-02-04 12:50:07

Exactly my point.

The people collecting those pensions took them as a trade off for lower pay. So, if we just take away the pensions now, they are double toast, having accepted lower pay AND not getting the pension.

 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-02-04 07:12:40

So, when you think about now much money those people are collecting in retirement, you also need to think about how much money they gave up during their working years, accepting the lower pay that came along with that pension………….

I don’t know a single job I have had in my entire life where i didn’t start out at lower pay, often for years. Everyone gets less money when they are starting out. Most don’t reach peak earning years until there 40’s or 50’s.
There is MYTH that government workers get LESS for equivalent jobs, if you can even compare the two. That was once true. It has not been true for about the past 20 years.
So, please, spare me the “worked for a lot less for decades” to justify HIGH retirement benefits.

Comment by Anon In DC
2012-02-04 09:05:34

It probably depends on the type of government. Local does not pay as well as Fed. Go look at job ads for the Federal government and see the salaries. As a taxpayer it make your hair stand on end and curl your toes.

Here are Library of Congress jobs.
http://www.loc.gov/hr/employment/index.php?action=cMain.showJobs

Comment by In Colorado
2012-02-04 09:44:37

Local does not pay as well as Fed.

No kidding. Those “library technicians” are better paid than the head librarian at our local public library. “technicians” at our local pub lib average $11/hr.

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Comment by Bub Diddley
2012-02-04 10:04:20

If you read the details on that technician job posting, the salary quoted is for if the position was full-time. Pay is for actual hours worked, which would probably be half that from the schedule. Try living in D.C. on that.

The LOC is an unfair comparison, anyway. That is an elite institution, and anybody who gets hired there has to be the best of the best. They probably COULD be making much more elsewhere. Comparing salaries at the Library of Congress to your local library is like wondering why the players on your high school jv squad don’t make NBA salaries.

I know most hold Congress in contempt, but the Library of Congress is a pretty cool thing, and I’m fine with paying the people there well.

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Comment by Anon In DC
2012-02-04 14:20:35

Some of your comments don’t makes sense to me.

“the salary quoted is for if the position was full-time. Pay is for actual hours worked, which would probably be half that from the schedule. Try living in D.C. on that.”

I think it’s hard to live on part time work many places.

“That is an elite institution, and anybody who gets hired there has to be the best of the best. They probably COULD be making much more elsewhere.”

Do you means it’s presitgious? Yes it is. Look at other library salaries across the country. The high jv squad vs. NBA is too much a stretch. Where might they make more?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-04 17:21:34

Where might they make more?

A top museum, large university, or elite private university. And given that the LOC hires the best in the field (as they should), these people could get such jobs.

 
 
 
Comment by skroodle
2012-02-04 09:11:12

I saw in info graphic on that (Big Picture?).

Non-degreed government workers are paid more than equivalents.

Degreed wokers get paid less as Darrell found out.

Comment by polly
2012-02-04 09:50:43

And the more education you have, the less you are paid in comparison with your private sector equivalents.

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Comment by Overtaxed
2012-02-04 10:24:03

And the more specialized your skill.

I was working for the government 5 years ago and made the move to private sector. I work in the IT field, doing specialized work/sales on high end equipment.

This year my W2 income is about 10X what it was at the government job. They can’t keep anyone with skills similar to mine in a government job, they simply cannot pay enough.

However, my skills are not the norm. Most people in government jobs have general skills that aren’t very high compensation elsewhere (secretaries, drivers, mechanics, janitors, sanitation, etc). When you start to get to jobs that require college degrees, and then, beyond that, specialized training and experience, the gap between government and private sector is huge.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2012-02-04 05:53:24

Yesterday I focused on the non-intuitive aspects of the economy that form the bases of my economic arguments.

The modern concept of money is not the archaic concept of barter currencies (gold, silver, pelts, bags of corn, loaves of bread, bundles of tobacco, spools of silk thread), but rather is simply a measure of other peoples’ debt. In barter currency, there was significant overlap between money and wealth. In the modern concept, there is a clear difference between the two.

Wealth is what you buy. Money is your or other peoples’ debt that you buy it with.

People work and use resources to create wealth. People take out a loan to create money.

Today, I would like to touch on the politics of my positions.

But first, I will address a question I was asked.

If it is impossible for everyone to be net accumulating money, isn’t it also impossible for everyone to be net spending. YES! Everyone’s income is someone spending, AND everyone’s spending is someone’s income.

However, if we divide the economy into groups, it is possible for everyone in group A to be net accumulating money while everyone in group B is net spending.

Divide those groups, by, say…. oh…. national boundaries, then track the money going each way. If the money movement is not equal, then let’s call this trade deficit/surplus.

Now, we come to a chicken/egg moment.

We could start with the defict and say that it is manditory that the people in the country with the trade deficit be net spending into debt, creating the money that is flowing out of the country. Or, I supose you could flip it around and say that if the people in the trade deficit country all stopped net spending on debt, the trade imbalance could not exist.

I would argue that if the wages in one country are 1/10th that of another, then a trade imbalance is inevitable. That is, of course, unless things like echanges rate adjust to offset the wage imbalance or something like tariffs are used to counter the wage imbalance.

IF there is this wage imbalance AND exchange rates and tariffs are not used to counter it, THEN the imbalance is inevitable. If the imbalance is inevitable, then the nation on the deficit side of the trade must be net spending going into debt.

Every year, the USA is buying $650B more from its trade partners than those trade parteners buy from the USA. That is 4% of our GDP. With 100 million households, that is $6,500 per household, per year, or more that 10% of the median income.

And, here is where we come to the political point.

Short-term, the country is benefiting from our trade deficits. We have 2 billion people around the world making stuff, sendung us their wealth in exchange for IOUs we just borrow into existence. Since there is an election every 2 years, politically it is advantagious to think very short term. Besides, the people that benefit most from these imbalances give large kick-backs to government to ensure we don’t mess with it.

The inevitable result of trade imbalance is debt. Well, politically, it is pretty easy to blame the debt on “the other guy”. So, one political party blames the spending for the debt. The other side blames the low income for the debt. Along comes a 3rd party that blames the banking system itself for the debt. All very solid platforms upon which to construct a political party.

Along comes someone like me that says, global wage imbalance makes trade imbalance inevitable, and that trade imbalance makes debt inevitable. Well, NO ONE wants to hear that. You mean, the same thing that let’s me consume the lion’s share of 2 billion impoverished workers’ wealth is really to underlying cause of the unsustainable debt?

That is a pretty tough political pill to swallow.

So, IF we were to accept that wage imbalance makes trade imbalance,and trade imbalance necessitates debt, what do we do?

Crash the wages in the USA to $2 an hour to compete in the global economy, to end the trade deficits, and end being net spenders on debt? Vote for me and I’ll make sure your wages fall 90%.

Increase the wages in the rest of the world 10x to make USA wages cost competative? Good luck with that. If we try to raise 7 billion people to the standard of living of the USA, there is not enough raw resources to go around. We may be able to replace humans with machines and robots but that isn’t going to put more oil or metals in the ground. Vote for me and I’ll ensure the rest of the world can deplete rare natural resrouces at a frightening pace.

Continue being $650B a year net spenders? This is the road to collapse into depression. Well, if we strip away the lies of the two parites, we really get here. Republicans claim they will cut spending, but until they put SS/MC/DoD on the table for 40-50% cuts, well, it is a sick joke. Dems talk of making the rich pay more, but, sorry, the income of the leaders of Chindia are outside your tax jurisdiction.

Trade war, nationalism? My initial reaction is, yes. But, I don’t think I’d win an election saying that I want to increase the price of all imports by 200% or more.

I get it why people reject my arguments. They are both non-intuitive and politically inconvenient. Shall we add in, truley destructive to the lifestyle of the PTB who benefit from the status quo?

Finally, someone posited what would the trade deficit look like if we had 1.5% net savings. Let’s think about that, shall we?

Let’s say govt slashes its spending $1.7T. Let’s say 70% of the cuts come off household income, 25% off corporate incomes and 5% off the trade deficit. Let’s pretend that business and dividend recepients can absorb their $425B lost revenues wihtout spending cuts.

Now, households, with $1.2T less income pay $200B less tax. Business also pay $90B less tax. The govt has a $300B deficit back, just rightthere.

For households to maintain our current savings rate, they have to slice their spending $1T ($1.2 lower income -$200B loser taxes). That is another $1T off GDP. Let’s say this time it is 10% off trade deficit, businesses eat 30% of the lost revenue as lowe profits, and 60% comes off household income. This drops govt receipts another $180B based on current receipts = 18% GDP.

Household income is down another $600B, their taxes are down $120B so this time they only have to cut spending $480B.

So, we’re on the 2nd echo cut. We’ve sliced $1.7T, $1T, and $480B off GDP. GDP is dowm from $15T to $11.8T. Govt has a $500B deficit again on lower cuts, and we still have the $480B to echo through the economy.

By this point, household income is down from $8T to $6.5T. I think it safe to assume 5 million more mortgages are in default, every bank in the county is insolvant, commodity prices have tanked 20% lower demand. Corporate profits are off 30% so stock prices are crashing….

Pretty much we’re in 2008 full collapse mode, except this time, instead of TARP, we have to deal with $500B in echo government spending cuts.

On the upside, we’ve sliced some $300B off our trade deficits. Of course, that $300B lower income to our trading partners is now echoing back as lower exports. Slice another $200B off GDP, $150B off household income and $50B off corporate profits and $50B off tax receipts.

Now we have $530B of household spending drop to echo through the economy, and another $550B in the next round of govt spending cuts….

This is why austarity is failing in Europe. Countries with a lack of natural resources, unable to directly attack their trade imbalances with tariffs and exchange rates, cut spending, see the economy tank, see their recipts fall, and deficits still do not go away.

We can’t spend our way out of this, because the money just leaks out of the economy. We can’t cut our way out of this because with their loabor advantages, the trade imbalances arenot going to go away until irtually all econmic activity in the USA stops.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 06:44:01

“Money is your or other peoples’ debt that you buy it with.”

This is a point which many posters here often push which seems more platitude than substance.

Why can’t there be money without debt? Money is a medium of exchange that we mutually agree on. It enables trade between two parties who lack the double-coincidence of wants. There are societies where debt is illegal which nonetheless have money to facilitate trade.

I can’t get past the point in your rant where you assert that ‘money is debt’ without a shard of justification to your argument.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 06:48:27

Case in point: Do cigarettes or piggy-back rides qualify as “debt”? They do function as currency (aka money), though, in settings where greenbacks are scarce.

Piggyback Rides Replace Cigarettes as New Prison Currency
Posted on April 29, 2010 by Jeff Wysaski

Piggyback rides have replaced cigarettes as the preferred type of currency in the San Quentin Correctional Facility in Marin County, California, according to prison officials.

The move comes largely due to decreased demand for cigarettes within the borders of the prison walls. Just as the larger society is trending towards healthier lifestyle choices, so too are our nation’s most dangerous inmates. This desire to improve personal habits has dramatically reduced the amount of cigarette smokers at San Quentin.

Struggling to find a new product that is more in demand than tobacco, inmates quickly settled on piggyback rides. The idea – which was proposed by three-time murderer and current inmate Rocko Colton – was initially met with resistance by the majority of the prisoners at the maximum-security facility.

One free piggyback ride around the yard was all it took to change their minds, however.

In response to this inaugural piggyback ride, inmate Walter Smalls best summed up the majority viewpoint of the entire criminal population when he said, “Weeeeeeeeeeee!”

Comment by polly
2012-02-04 09:52:29

Piggy back rides aren’t money. The piece of paper you have that says “Bob has to give the holder of this note a piggy back ride at the time of the holder’s choosing” is money.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 10:18:47

You make a subtle point. I would argue that like the Fed, which only has to tell the world that it ‘found’ another $800 bn (or whatever amount) on its balance sheet in order to create more money, the prison monetary system may not actually have to issue pieces of paper to create piggy back ride money. Verbal agreements backed by a credible threat of physical punishment if an agreement is broken should suffice.

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2012-02-04 10:10:29

Too Funny!

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-04 18:19:14

Of course bartering exists, but when we talk about the debt, for example, we’re not talking about piggyback rides, we’re talking about dollars, which are borrowed into existence. I fail to grasp why that is hard to grasp.

Since dollars are borrowed into existence, there exists an offsetting debt to every dollar.

The anti-matter to their matter.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-05 00:09:22

You missed the point, which is that piggyback rides are so popular among prisoners that they eliminate the double-coincidence-of-wants problem, and hence can serve as a medium of exchange.

And there is no need to borrow dollars into existence; you could obviously print dollar bills, or even tell everyone the Fed’s computer just showed a $900 bn increase in their balance sheet, without any borrowing to back it up.

Me thinks you guys are guilty of the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-05 05:02:40

piggyback rides are so popular among prisoners that they eliminate the double-coincidence-of-wants problem, and hence can serve as a medium of exchange.

Yes, bartering exists in special situations, but dollars are still borrowed into existence, and the debt, the deficit, tax revenue, etc, are all denominated in those dollars. Not in piggy back rides. And the dollars they are denominated in, and with which we must pay back the debts, are borrowed into existence.

you could obviously print dollar bills, or even tell everyone the Fed’s computer just showed a $900 bn increase in their balance sheet, without any borrowing to back it up.

Yes, but the Fed doesn’t do that. The dollars are still borrowed into existence. Therefore there is an offsetting debt to every dollar created.

Me thinks you guys are guilty of the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy.

You’re guilty of missing the forest for the trees. Just because you can come up with peculiar situations where bartering exists, you somehow think you’ve disproved the point that all dollars are borrowed into existence, and therefore all have an offsetting debt to them. Which of course you haven’t. Dollars are borrowed into existence, no matter what the prisoners are using as an exchange.

Can I pay my taxes in piggyback rides? No? Then they’re not money, in the sense we use when we talk about money.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Jess from upstate SC
2012-02-04 07:16:52

Uncle Sam’s great Tax refund sweepstakes is now well underway . A single working mom , or a couple with one of them making about minimun wage,with 2 kids , will make about 12K per year with work . EIC and child credits means the tax ‘refund’ is about 6-8 K , all in one lump check.
Used car dealers , furniture folks , payday lenders , landlords , are all collecting their just dues ,with interest ,right now , if they don’t skip and run for a new start . No matter what , it is all gone in 2 weeks or so.
One new twist we have noticed is the minimum wage workers’ way of getting around the local hospital’s liens against their State refund checks , to pay for all those free Emergency room visits . They claim a dozen dependents all year , to keep from sending any money to the State’s coffers. Come tax time they adjust that.ha. Good old -time American spunk, that.

Comment by polly
2012-02-04 08:35:08

Lucky duckies.

 
Comment by skroodle
2012-02-04 10:12:40

I hate it when government money doesn’t go Wall Street banks.

 
Comment by chilidoggg
2012-02-04 19:16:43

How much extra tax is “collected” from low income folks who don’t file an income tax return to get some of their withholding refunded?

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-02-04 08:59:58

“Money is your or other peoples’ debt that you buy it with.”

Gotta love the HBB. Where else can you find stuff like this?!

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 10:07:27

I think the confusion is over whether debt is a form of money (clearly so) versus the only form of money (clearly not).

Sorry to call into question one of the 98 or so points raised in various rants that have appeared here over the past few days.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-02-04 11:27:01

There isn’t really any confusion. It only feels that way to you because you are trying to apply logic. You need to restrain yourself. And wouldn’t “rave” be more accurate than “rant”?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-05 00:11:55

“It only feels that way to you because you are trying to apply logic.”

My apologies!

 
 
 
 
Comment by ahansen
2012-02-05 00:27:29

When I grow a bushel of apples, or harvest 50 pounds of honey, that is not debt, but I can most certainly use it as a medium of exchange.

When I give money to charities of my choosing, that is not a “debt” I hold them to.

Shall I continue, or do you wish to keep on with this inane (and inaccurate,) insistence that all money is debt?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-05 05:07:23

Because although bartering clearly exists, all dollars are borrowed into existence. And the dollars you give to a charity, were still born into this world by borrowing, and therefore have an offsetting debt to them.

Their conception was not immaculate.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-02-04 05:58:37

From yesterday:

A colleague and his wife, both Grinch conservatives, took me out to a going away dinner.

So … did he hit on any women while his wife was in the powder room?

Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2012-02-04 08:21:29

LOL! Both are around 70-ish.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-02-04 09:26:10

70-ish…Grinch conservatives

Probably totally against “socialized” medicine. (except theirs of course)

Probably think the Social Security “entitlement” should be cut. (except theirs of course)

Probably think Americans should go die in Iran. (except them of course)

Probably think government beneficiaries are parasites. (except for them and their dining partner of course)

Comment by In Colorado
2012-02-04 09:34:57

Ain’t that America?

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Comment by Muggy
2012-02-04 14:42:12

“Ain’t that America?”

Little pink rentals, for you and me.

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2012-02-04 10:14:56

How did the Greatest Generation raise such a “gimme mine” generation?

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Comment by ahansen
2012-02-05 00:35:44

“…How did the Greatest Generation raise such a “gimme mine” generation?”

Are you kidding? The GI bill, SS, Medicare, COLA increases, massive unionization of the 1950’s and 1960’s, MID, rent controls….

The Boomers have been paying for their bennies all of our working lives.

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2012-02-04 15:52:04

Probably totally against “socialized” medicine. (except theirs of course)

A family member of mine, born in 1941, started watching Fox News a few years ago and lost her mind. During the “Obamacare” process, she said that she didn’t think that the country could afford to provide health care to every American. The unspoken assumption was that the country could afford to provide health care to her.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-02-04 09:46:26

Now that I think of it, I’ve never met a 70′ish IT professional (you said they were colleagues).

Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2012-02-04 12:49:36

Not to knock IT, but software engineering is different. IT does not include embedded software, for instance. The man has a chemistry background. His wife graduated from UA, but I am not sure what her field is.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-02-04 15:04:38

DItto for software engineers. Never met one that old that was still working. These days SW Engineers tend to get lumped together with “IT”.

 
Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2012-02-04 17:23:18

I guess I never worked in those circles where they confuse network administrators and Oracle data base pros with those who develop flight software.

 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2012-02-04 14:45:33

“LOL! Both are around 70-ish.”

Perfect age for those disease-spreading orgies at The Villages.

What?

I’m not joking!

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 10:08:27

Newt Gingrinch…has a nice ring to it, no?

Comment by In Colorado
2012-02-04 15:07:18

The Gingrinch who stole Christmas?

 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-02-04 06:00:08

Realtors Are Liars®

Comment by goon squad
2012-02-04 06:26:12

And loan-owners are loosers®

Got 2 feet of snow here in the past 36 hours, and other than the squadmobile, did diddley squat of snow clearance.

That’s the landlord’s job, silly!

Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2012-02-04 12:52:43

Here in Tampa I had to turn on my A/C an hour ago. In a week I will be back out west and look forward to the slightly cooler South Bay weather and my favorite King Harbor and Hermosa Beach watering holes.

 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2012-02-04 06:09:56

Speed dating to select fraudsters. Makes sense….

Hedge funds try to hook up with pension funds

In investing, as in life, it is critical to find the right partner.

On Tuesday in Boca Raton, big hedge funds including Tudor Investment Corp., Marathon Asset Management and York Capital, as well as smaller rivals like Voltan Capital Management and Titan Capital Group crowded into a large conference room for the hedge fund industry’s version of speed dating.

Seated at tiny round tables, the managers (who are in Florida for the GAIM USA investor conference) eagerly awaited visits from potential investors like state pension funds from Wisconsin and North Carolina, and fund of funds firms like Rock Creek Group.

Every few minutes a bell tolled telling the roughly 50 investors there to move on to the next date. The ratio was about two managers for every investor. Time was of the essence as managers rattled off their skills.

GAIM USA, the first major event on the hedge fund conference calendar, follows one of the industry’s worst annual performances in its history. Despite losses of about 5 percent for the average hedge fund last year, pension funds and other big investors are still looking to put money in.

http://blogs.reuters.com/unstructuredfinance/2012/01/24/hedge-funds-try-to-hook-up-with-pension-funds/

Comment by combotechie
2012-02-04 06:49:06

What a perfect match up, pension funds and hedge funds; Both groups get a shot at making some very bigs bucks - using money that belongs to somebody else.

What’s not to like?

Comment by combotechie
2012-02-04 06:55:59

No pension dollar shall be allowed to escape.

Not one shall be left to be wasted by sending it to a pensioner.

Comment by combotechie
2012-02-04 07:17:14

I can imagine a neat sales approach for a hedge fund operator in one of thes speed-dating sessions: It’s called the Pablo Escobar Approach.

Allow the pension manager to understand that if he gives to the hedge fund all its business life for him will suddenly become a very wonderful one for he and his family to live.

If he refuses this fine offer then he and his entire family gets killed.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-02-04 09:03:13

Caution there combo. You’ve responded to your own post like a Russian nesting doll.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2012-02-04 06:18:59

Found the perfect spot for a HBB off-site:

GAIM Ops Cayman 2012

http://www.iirusa.com/gaim-cayman/home-page.xml

GAIM Ops is the only forum to discuss issues facing the industry: OTC derivative rules, implications of hedge fund registration, ramifications of Dodd Frank Act, what to do if the SEC knocks on the door, impact of recent activities at the SEC FSA, and CIMA, impact of the Volcker rule, how to recover of assets from windup petitions, and much more!

http://www.hedgeweek.com/event/fund-hedge-funds/gaim-ops-cayman-2012

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-02-04 06:28:37

Have Economists Got It Wrong About The U.S.?
Marilyn Geewax and Scott Neuman

Workers build a Jeep Compass at the Chrysler assembly plant in Belvidere, Ill. Friday’s employment report showed growth in manufacturing, much of which reflects the rebirth of the U.S. auto industry .
Scott Olson/Getty Images

February 3, 2012

Five years ago, a subprime mortgage firestorm was melting down the U.S. economy, but most analysts didn’t see it happening.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, testifying before Congress in February 2007, said the housing sector “is a concern, but at this point we don’t see it as being a broad financial concern or a major factor in assessing the course of the economy.”

If he and the vast majority of economists were blind to the economic and financial calamity taking shape then, could they also be missing the start of a huge economic boom now?

A boom? Really?

Maybe. On Friday, the Labor Department said employers added 243,000 net jobs – about 100,000 more than most economists were predicting. The unemployment rate fell to 8.3 percent, dropping two-tenths of a point to the lowest level in three years. As recently as August, the jobless rate was 9.1 percent.

In recent months, economists have been consistently wrong about the strength of hiring. In fact, the Labor Department said it had been too negative. It revised previous months to show that the economy gained a total of 60,000 jobs more than originally reported for November and December.

So if they were so wrong in seeing the Great Recession coming, it’s possible they are blind to the “Great Recovery” that might be under way. If there is indeed a boom taking shape, it’s being led by the new strength in the energy sector, agriculture, technology and even manufacturing.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-02-04 10:55:30

Hint: The stock market is considered to be a leading indicator. Which way is it going these days?

Comment by chilidoggg
2012-02-04 22:59:38

What did the stock market do August-October 2007?

 
 
Comment by rms
2012-02-04 19:06:22

Pissing away trillion$ bailing out banking, insurance, automotive, credit cards, etc., and it’s still called a recession?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-02-04 06:31:59

There has never been a better time to refi.

WEEKEND INVESTOR
FEBRUARY 4, 2012

Refinancing: Time to Act?
By JESSICA SILVER-GREENBERG

Mortgage rates have been hovering at historical lows for months—but some homeowners are waiting for even better deals before they take the plunge and refinance.

Experts say that could be a mistake.

The average rate for a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage fell to a record low of 3.87% for the week ended Feb. 2, according to mortgage-finance giant Freddie Mac. Rates on fixed-rate 15-year loans dropped to 3.14%.

Many homeowners who are able to refinance are holding out because they believe rates still have more to fall.

Jason Riggs, a consultant to a San Francisco nonprofit, is grappling with whether he should refinance the $560,000 mortgage on his duplex. The 38-year-old wants to get a better rate than his current 5%, but says, “I’m really wary of spending the time and money to do this and then have rates go lower.”

Adding to the optimism over the prospects for lower rates: President Barack Obama’s recent appeal to Congress for new legislation to allow homeowners who are current on their mortgages the chance to refinance at bargain-basement rates.
Already Near Bottom?

Yet in the short term, the administration’s proposal isn’t likely to lower rates, experts say. In a report this month, Barclays Capital called it more “bark than bite.”

Some economists predict the Federal Reserve will embark on a third round of bond-buying known as “quantitative easing” to target mortgage rates directly. In this scenario, the Fed would buy large quantities of mortgage bonds to drive down rates.

But many economists don’t think such a program would move the needle significantly. “It’s going to take heroic measures in the short term to do much more with rates,” says Brad Hunter, chief economist at Houston-based Metrostudy, a housing-market research firm.

If anything, with the economy improving, albeit slowly, the odds are better that rates will tick a bit higher in coming months, economists say.

The upshot: “This is an excellent time to refinance,” says Greg McBride, a senior financial analyst at Bankrate.com, a consumer information site.

Comment by palmetto
2012-02-04 06:48:09

“Jason Riggs, a consultant to a San Francisco nonprofit, is grappling with whether he should refinance the $560,000 mortgage on his duplex.”

A consultant to a San Francisco nonprofit with a $560,000 mortgage on a duplex. A consultant to a nonprofit. Let me repeat that again. A consultant to a nonprofit.

Wow. I’m definitely in the wrong line of work.

Comment by combotechie
2012-02-04 08:10:34

“Nonprofit”

I don’t think this word means what you think it means.

BTW, anyone here remember the United Way scandal from many years ago?

Comment by combotechie
2012-02-04 08:11:56

“United Ways scandal” = “United Way scandals” (as in plural)

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-02-04 09:36:37

And we expect “non-profits” to take care of the poor?

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Comment by polly
2012-02-04 09:57:58

The Metropolitan Opera is a non-profit.

The Getty Museum is a non-profit.

Harvard University is a non-profit.

Please add to the list as you see fit.

Taking care of the poor is not a requirement to become a non-profit. Some do. Many do. But many do not. It is not part of their purpose. It does not have to be part of their purpose.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-02-04 11:30:20

My Yacht Club is a non-profit.

 
2012-02-04 12:24:17

Give it to him polly, show no mercy!!!

Ret@rded opinions are just that.

INMSHO, “serious journalism” needs to reincorporate as non-profit.

So do most producers of classical music, jazz, etc. (if they haven’t done so already.)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-02-04 15:15:34

I guess my point was missed. No, I don’t expect the Met to take care of the poor. But many do propose that churches and other non profits will be able to take over helping the lucky duckies get by. The point is that many of those non profits are in name only.

 
Comment by polly
2012-02-04 16:37:06

I actually was just adding to your point, Colorado. Could tell that your point was that the “safety net” can’t reside there.

But they aren’t non-profit “in name only.” They meet all the legal requirements. Taking care of the poor is only one of many purposes that a non-profit may have.

In addition, they can make almost all the profit they want if you define profit as income in excess of expenditures. What they can’t do is have the profits go back to founders or owners as dividends. There are a number of other restrictions, of course, but the general term “non-profit” under federal law is not at all what the natural language meaning of the words imply.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-02-05 00:44:03

Puss–

You back? Any pix for us? Huh? Huh?

 
 
 
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-02-04 14:23:01

What’s the saying - Charity ends up at home. :)

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 06:36:51

Never been a better time for desperate sellers to hold out for another year.

MARKETWATCH
JANUARY 29, 2012

Housing Remains a Buyer’s Market

By AMY HOAK

A majority of Americans recently surveyed say now is a good time to buy a home. That’s no surprise, given that record-low mortgage interest rates and bargain home prices are boosting affordability.

But selling a home? That’s a different story.

According to 71% of the 1,000 people surveyed by Fannie Mae in December, now is a good time to buy a house. But only 11% think it’s a good time to sell.

That’s because sellers sense that even if the housing market and the economy continue to show signs of improvement in 2012, the good news likely won’t be good enough for buyers to return to the market in droves—even if they can buy a home for a steal.

“For people to start buying in larger volume, they need to see home prices go up a bit,” says Ingo Winzer, president of Local Market Monitor, a firm that analyzes housing markets for bankers.

Many potential buyers also are waiting to see the jobs picture improve, which will give them confidence in the stability of their own employment, Mr. Winzer says.

Improvements Ahead

Still, various forecasts and surveys suggest better times for the housing market this year:

Sales of existing homes are expected to grow between 2% and 5% in 2012, according a recent forecast from Freddie Mac.

A recent survey of about 1,000 Re/Max real-estate agents found that 39% of agents think prices have hit bottom in their market, while almost 75% think home prices in their markets will have stopped declining by the end of 2012.

The number of improving housing markets rose to 76 in January, from 41 in December, according to the Improving Markets Index, from First American Financial Corp. and the National Association of Home Builders.

Nationwide, home prices are expected to be relatively flat in 2012, says Alex Villacorta, director of research and analytics at Clear Capital, a provider of real-estate asset-valuation data for financial-services companies. Indeed, 2012 seems to be a turning point before a healthier and sustained recovery in 2013, he says.

If You Can Hold Out

While now still may not be the perfect time to sell a home, it may be time for home sellers to get their places ready for a sale next year.

Of course, markets vary. Prices already are on the rise in some places, including parts of Florida, Washington, D.C., and Dayton, Ohio, Mr. Villacorta says.

But other markets—including Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit and Las Vegas—continue to be on a “downward slide,” according to a December report from Realtor.com.

Either way, holding out until next year could mean a quicker and more profitable sale.

“From a seller’s point of view, it’s still a little early, though tempting, to put the house up for sale and expect a lot of demand,” Mr. Villacorta says. “Unless there are circumstances that dictate they have to sell now, certainly waiting and tracking the markets a little bit more would be a more prudent thing to do.”

Still, some sellers have delayed their moving decisions for years now. For those champing at the bit to make a sale and move on with their lives, 2012 may offer glimmers of hope.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 06:54:31

“A majority of Americans recently surveyed say now is a good time to buy a home.

From a seller’s point of view, it’s still a little early, though tempting, to put the house up for sale and expect a lot of demand.”

Sounds like a bad time to buy, as consumers collectively believe this is a good time to buy, even though sellers are withholding inventory waiting for a better time to sell. And I certainly see little current evidence that blood is running in the streets.

The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets.

– John D. Rockefeller

Comment by salinasron
2012-02-04 07:53:02

I don’t think it’s a good time to buy, but when a good deal comes your way at a price you can afford and you plan to stay there for 15 yrs or more then you buy. I’ve been renting for 8 yrs and had no intention to buy yet but something came my way with all the requirements on our check list. We will see how this plays out.

Comment by SV guy
2012-02-04 09:06:16

“I don’t think it’s a good time to buy, but when a good deal comes your way at a price you can afford and you plan to stay there for 15 yrs or more then you buy.”

I just came upon a such a deal a few days ago. A property directly adjacent to me is about to be foreclosed on and the seller, a very nice woman, has slashed the price to a point that I can’t pass it up. I am in the offer/counter offer process and will finance a relatively small amount of money to consumate the deal. I hate debt but the numbers are just too good to pass on. If I don’t pull the trigger I will kick myself in the a$$ everytime I see the home and property.

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Comment by Salinasron
2012-02-04 14:30:13

I submitted a bid that was accepted the next day. Three more bids came in the next day but I elected to put up $5K in my offer and a 30 day close. Property is first owner so no clouded title. Single story house on 1.1 acre. Going through all the inspections that I ordered right now.

 
Comment by rms
2012-02-04 19:27:25

I just came upon a such a deal a few days ago.

Is that in Silly Valley, California?

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-02-05 08:58:24

“Is that in Silly Valley, California?”

No chance here in SV. As has been stated by SCDave before, prices here are on the rise, at least in the affluent areas. All of the newly rich Facebookers and their ilk are going to be throwing around serious monopoly money soon.

The property I spoke of is in Montana.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 10:15:09

Good luck, Ron. I totally agree with your strategy. I would go so far as to say our country’s collective prosperity depends on individual household decision makers like yourself making private financial decisions that suit their personal situations.

By contrast, once most American households start following the beguiling tunes played by the Fed’s pied pipers, America is headed towards another bubble and bust.

See my post somewhere else on this thread about Rich Toscano’s (aka Professor Piggington’s) home purchase decision.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-02-04 16:53:02

A majority of Americans recently surveyed say now is a good time to buy a home. That’s no surprise, given that record-low mortgage interest rates and bargain home prices are boosting affordability, given how often NAR messaging tells them so.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-02-04 06:44:51

Foreclosure lawyer probes left up to Florida Bar

By Kimberly Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:13 p.m. Friday, Feb. 3, 2012

The Florida Bar’s investigations into foreclosure fraud by its members jumped 63 percent in the past year, but no disciplinary actions against attorneys have been levied since complaints began to mount in the fall of 2010.

The responsibility to hold lawyers accountable for foreclosure misconduct now rests solely with the Florida Bar after the state attorney general’s investigation into high-volume foreclosure law firms collapsed this week.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/foreclosures/foreclosure-lawyer-probes-left-up-to-florida-bar-2147322.html -

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 06:59:05

Rich Toscano, Noted Housing Bear, Buys a House: VOSD Radio
Posted: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:33 am | Updated: 6:37 pm, Mon Jan 30, 2012.

by Scott Lewis

In 2004, Rich Toscano launched Professor Piggington’s Econo-Almanac for the Landed Poor.

I asked him the other day to explain why he did it:

In order to inform my own financial decisions, I became very interested in the question of whether real estate was in a bubble or whether the price rise was legit. I didn’t find much in the way of good analysis on this question, so I started digging into the data myself. Upon doing so, it became very clear to me that there was a massive speculative bubble underway.

My friends and I had been debating the “bubble or no bubble” topic for a while, so of course I set about showing them all my graphs and evidence. At some point I decided to just put it up online and refer people to the website.

To his surprise, more than just his friends found it interesting.

2012-02-04 09:39:55

In my not so humble opinion, he’s making a mistake.

(Or at least, he’s throwing money away. He may not care but that doesn’t change my view.)

I’m not a hyper-optimizer about money but I do try to get the maximum I can out of it. He seems to buy the “houses have plateaud and the Fed will take care of it” principle.

I argue the “rents are still cheaper than buying” principle, and I “see no wage inflation with Chindia” principle.

Value always wins.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 10:25:27

“rents are still cheaper than buying”

I agree with this, unless you are making enough money so the ‘live closer to work’ dominates ‘wait until prices bottom out’ as a decision rule. I have a colleague at work who embodies this situation: Wife his wife is a doc, and they are DINKs, so they bought a place a couple of miles from her work to budget her scarce time. If home prices dip another 40% and never recover, the loss will still amount to a small fraction of their permanent income, especially if you weigh in the opportunity cost of time for two busy professionals.

Don’t know if the above applies to Rich Toscano, but regardless, I applaud anyone who thinks and acts on their own rather than following the herd.

2012-02-04 10:54:59

If her time was “valuable”, why didn’t they rent even closer?

In America, it’s rarely the case that you can’t get some rental close enough to maximize your utility. Yeah, you have frictional costs if you need to move but if you make enough (like your example), this is all a detail.

I call BS.

40% is an unreal sum of money. Add to that the opportunity cost and you’re getting to the place that you can spend like a drunken sailor on your violins and me I can spend on all the books, music and lenses and we’d still be ahead of them.

So, if it smells like BS and it mathematically looks like BS then it must be BS!

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 18:02:03

“40% is an unreal sum of money.”

I just threw that figure out as an outlandish best-case-scenario improvement in affordability. Naturally, I will be pleasantly surprised if it turns out to be reasonably accurate after the bubble finishes collapsing.

 
2012-02-04 20:09:02

I don’t even care what the final number is.

Integrate the difference between rent and ITIM (interest, taxes, insurance, maintenance) for 10 years and you’re looking at a serious chunk of change!

It makes my “extravagant” purchases look like Starbucks coffee.

WTF?!?!?

But I’m preaching to the choir. It’s so boring. C’est la vie and all that jazz.

The freakin’ photos are still killing me! I’ve been working non-stop since 9am but it’s for a greater cause. =)

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-02-05 00:47:30

Thanks, Puss. Can’t wait to see what you brought back for us.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 10:29:42

‘…“rents are still cheaper than buying” principle…’

Remind me six or so months farther into 2012 election season to offer follow up remarks on this, regarding current government-sponsored housing initiatives. (I don’t want to suggest pitfalls before a decision comes down…)

 
Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2012-02-04 13:02:45

Even if a case could be made for RE nearing a bottom, It will be an “L” shaped recovery.

The “L” shaped recovery of the stock market crash of 2000 is about over with, at least for this year. The loose money policy is only causing stock prices to rise significantly relative to real estate. 2012 could be a 20% year, maybe 30%, as the banisters furiously try to get Obama re-elected.

Toscano would have done well to put $300,000 into a stock index fund covering large, small, and madcaps…starting early 2009, then cash out in September of this year. He would probably have a $200,000 gain and pocket $170,000 profit.

Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2012-02-04 13:03:53

Banisters =banksters

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 07:02:10

Is Uncle Sam unwinding his REO portfolio?

Government officials testing plan for foreclosed homes
It’s unclear whether properties in Lancaster area will be turned into rentals
5:49 AM, Feb. 4, 2012 |
Written by Mark Wert
The Cincinnati Enquirer

The government is starting to shed foreclosed, single-family homes it owns — by selling them in bulk to investors, who would turn them into rental properties.

Officials, however, are saying only that test sales will occur “in the near-term” with a focus on the areas hardest hit by foreclosures. They declined to comment beyond a news release they issued.

It’s too soon to say whether the Columbus metro area, where the government owns 475 properties up for sale, would be part of the test. Fairfield County is part of the metro area.

With 3,716 of these homes, Ohio ranks seventh on the list of states where the Federal Housing Administration or government-sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac own foreclosed properties.

Converting the houses to rental units might raise the hackles of nearby homeowners and housing advocates, who are watching the issue closely.

Putting too many houses up for sale at one time also could drive prices down and hurt neighbors’ values.

“It makes sense for them to not flood the market all at once,” said Rachel Hastings, director of neighborhood and housing initiatives at the Center for Great Neighborhoods. The Covington, Ky.-based nonprofit takes rental properties and rehabs them. A few of the homes once were owned by Fannie, Freddie or FHA.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-02-04 07:02:31

Follow up to…

Three big banks were hit on Friday with yet another lawsuit related to wrongful foreclosures. Democratic New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman filed suit against Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo for deceptive and fraudulent use of a private database used to register mortgages, according to a Friday press release from his office
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It’s legal, but wrong, for Attorney General Eric Schneiderman to pocket campaign cash

Monday, August 15, 2011, 4:00 AM

Since his election in November, state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has raised $1.1 million in campaign donations - half of which he put into his own pocket. Legally.

His political finances are a study in the excesses permitted under New York’s election law.

It’s well known that the rules let candidates harvest donations exponentially higher than allowed under federal regulations.

In Schneiderman’s case, the oversized limit combined with lax strictures on campaign loans to create an unseemly situation:

He tapped contributors to, in effect, replenish his personal bank account. Again, legally.

Schneiderman competed in a five-way Democratic race for the open AG’s seat. Two weeks before the primary, he loaned his campaign $550,000 and put the money toward prevailing through the general election.

After he took office in January, his coffers held $132,000 - not nearly enough to repay his loan. He began fund-raising and did very well, pulling in the $1.1 million, according to disclosure forms.

Half the money he turned over to himself, taking $250,000 on May 3 and $300,000 on July 11.

The donors who helped Schneiderman climb out of the hole included unions, law firms and businesses, which gave him $646,000. Individuals contributed $414,000, with just 39 people kicking in 80% of that amount.

Among those who gave large sums are hedge fund king John Paulson, the correction officers union, the doctors’ lobby, the health care workers union and the state troopers union.

Some political donors seek nothing but the election of a preferred candidate. Some hope to buy influence. Whatever the motivation, infusions of large sums, as allowed in New York, create at least the impression of a political system governed by cash. The appearance is worsened when an elected official needs funds to get out of a personal financial hole.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/legal-wrong-attorney-general-eric-schneiderman-pocket-campaign-cash-article-1.948252 - 136k -

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-02-04 11:39:56

“a personal financial hole.”

Come on, he “loaned” his campaign the money.

What strikes me is that he took campaign donations after he won the election.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-02-04 09:04:42

Lantana buys waterfront land for 78% off boomtime price

by Jeff Ostrowski

The town of Lantana this month paid just under $1.2 million for an acre of waterfront property. The previous sale price: $5.33 million in 2006.

The seller, Real Estate Property Holdings II of Miami, had planned a 15-unit townhouse project on the site at 106-122 N. Lake Drive.

“We thought it was a good deal,” Town Manager Mike Bornstein said.

The town council voted 3-2 last month to buy the property and turn it into a park.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/realtime/2012/01/24/lantana-buys-waterfront-land-for-78-off-boomtime-price/ - 43k

Comment by measton
2012-02-04 19:54:53

You can bet then that it would have sold for 600k in an open market auction.

 
 
2012-02-04 09:42:38

The pictures I took in India are killing me. I need to process them and I’m feeling lazy (which is rare for me.)

I need some motivational feedback (or some kicking.)

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 10:32:03

Come on, FPSS — think how much pleasure you and others will enjoy once you finish this!

P.S. I suffer from the same form of post-trip slothfulness. Luckily for me, my lovely wife is a hard-core photo processor…

2012-02-04 12:10:01

Aye, aye, sir & ma’am!

Need to work hard. I have good stuff just need to get it out there.

2012-02-04 19:26:37

To work, to work, FPSS doth shirk.

Almost there. 80% done.

I need a large glass of something. :)

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-02-04 11:42:34

What’s holding you back FPSS? You haven’t posted any new stuff on your page for ages!

2012-02-04 19:34:10

Not sure.

I have amazing stuff — even if I say so myself.

It’s a surfeit of beauty. I’m still in awe, love, lust.

I guess the hard part is the winnowing. You need to winnow down a few thousand pics into about 12-24 (the average person’s response window.)

It’s freakin’ killing me how to edit it down to just the “best”.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-02-04 19:42:09

Yeah…like a picture of you….swearing like a drunken sailor…….oh oh

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 10:01:01

“We do consult with the assessor’s office ahead of time to find the fair market value.”

How does the assessor determine fair market value of a tax-delinquent house with a defaulted mortgage in the wake of a collapsed housing bubble?

UT San Diego News
224 PROPERTIES UP FOR PUBLIC AUCTION
San Diego County treasurer-tax collector to sell homes of those in default
Written by Lily Leung
12:01 a.m., Feb. 4, 2012

Are you scouting for a home bargain?

You may want to try San Diego County’s annual public auction.

The treasurer-tax collector’s office on Feb. 24 is scheduled to sell more than 200 properties belonging to people who have been in default for five years. The county is attempting to recover more than $3.4 million in property taxes. That figure includes penalties and fees.

The owners still have a chance to keep those properties as long as they become current by 5 p.m. Feb. 23. Otherwise, their home will end up on the auction block.

This year, 79 properties and 145 “unimproved parcels,” or raw land, may be sold at auction.

“We hope that everyone who is delinquent will pay up,” said County Treasurer-Tax Collector Dan McAllister in a statement.

Opening bids are based on the amount of taxes owed, penalty late fees and the cost of the auction.

“One caveat,” McAllister said. “We do consult with the assessor’s office ahead of time to find the fair market value.”

How common is it for someone to find a bargain at these auctions?

“I would say it’s not common to see great deals at these auctions,” McAllister said. “But what is common is there may be one or two properties that jump out as something in the bargain category.”

McAllister called 2011 “one of the slowest of all of the auction years that I’ve done,” but he hopes more people will come and spend this year.

This will be the ninth year the county has held the public auction. It will be the first year that time shares will not be part of the auction, because they are too time-consuming, McAllister said. Instead, the county will hold an online sale for those properties in April or May, following the lead of Riverside County.

Interested in bidding?

A registration packet is $70 and available at five offices of the county treasurer-tax collector — go to utsandiego.com/auction2012. A $1,000 refundable deposit is required.

The auction will be held Feb. 24 at the San Diego Convention Center, 111 W. Harbor Drive, downtown San Diego, in Room 6A.

 
2012-02-04 10:04:17

Many years ago, I’d found a beautiful diagram explaining how “asset inflation” works in practice.

For economists, it was a really excellent visual representation of “mv = pq”.

90% of the arguments here could be solved if only people understood this diagram. (I’m gonna stay out of the political ones on general principle.)

Alas, I have been unable to find it. Perhaps it’s a standard diagram?

Can anyone help me?

PS :- This is a “top-down” view. I’m much more comfortable with the “bottom-up detail-oriented” view but they are two identical ways of looking at the same thing. Macro v/s micro, you might call it.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 10:34:36

“mv = pq”

Money times Velocity equals Price times Quantity?

Sounds like a great equation for asset price inflation, unless everyone in the economy suddenly starts hording money instead of blowing it on crap they don’t need.

Comment by combotechie
2012-02-04 10:50:07

“Sounds like a great equation for asset price inflation, unless everyone in the economy suddenly starts hording money instead of blowing it on crap they don’t need.”

From one extreme to another? From blowing money to hoarding the stuff?

One is inflationary the other has just the opposite effect.

Guess where we are today?

2012-02-04 12:26:41

δv can turn agressively negative.

Bad things happen to the Fed at that point.

All the m doesn’t do much good!

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-04 18:05:59

“δv can turn agressively negative.”

Yup.

April 8, 2010, 2:04 pm
Investment Banking
Prince Finally Explains His Dancing Comment
By CYRUS SANATI

It seems Charles O. Prince III will forever be haunted by an offhand quip about dancing.

The former Citigroup chief executive infamously said in July 2007, referring to the firm’s leveraged lending practices: “When the music stops, in terms of liquidity, things will be complicated. But as long as the music is playing, you’ve got to get up and dance. We’re still dancing.”

 
 
Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2012-02-04 13:06:19

15% annual rate of return on my 401k since Jqnuary 2009…my guess is today we are experiencing monetary inflation.

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2012-02-04 14:17:43

And since Jan 2008? Jan 2007? Jan 2006?

Convenient points in time are kinda skanky, no?

 
Comment by Steve W
2012-02-04 14:20:02

What does it mean if I’ve made 1% annual return since I started investing in my 401K circa 2001?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by BlueStar
2012-02-04 10:16:19

Bill Moyers guest this week did a good job of explaining why liberals and progressives are doomed, they have no morals.

http://billmoyers.com/episode/how-do-conservatives-and-liberals-see-the-world/

http://billmoyers.com/content/excerpt-from-the-righteous-mind/

My comment: The only real challenge will be the unstoppable demographics of non-white voters and technology’s ability to disrupt the status quo.

Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2012-02-04 13:09:30

Atheists tend to have fewer divorces, teen pregnancies, STDs. Less than 1% of inmates in the US prison system are atheists. You can find it on the web.

2012-02-04 14:32:50

There are plenty of atheists with morals.

Having a weak logic moment? Wouldn’t be the first time.

Comment by palmetto
2012-02-04 15:58:52

Taking snide little tickety-boo jabs at people?

Wouldn’t be the first time.

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2012-02-04 20:18:33

Stupidity sucks and I’m all about p1ssing all over weak logic on general principle!

 
 
 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2012-02-04 16:07:18

What is it that non-white voters will challenge?

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-02-04 10:39:46

This is the same hood that the lady who was collecting rent on 2 condos w/o paying the mortgage on them for years while receiving Hardest Hit money to pay the mortgage on her Maplewood home which she had refied to the moon lives in. Her neighbor shown here had a pretty good run also, bought for $145,000.00 in 1997 and then extracted two or three hundred-thousand dollars in “equity” then lived for free for a few years and now appears to be on her way down Victim Rd. with a sad story to tell over on foreclosure hamlet.

Today on Realtor.com
125 E Hampton WY Jupiter, FL 33458
$269,000 Price Reduced
Beds:3 Bed
Baths:2 Bath
House Size:1,975 Sq Ft
•Status: Contingency
•County: PALMBEACH
•Subdivision: HAMPTONS AT MAPLEWOOD
MLS ID R3220172
Added to Site August 25, 2011
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County Property Appraiser
Property InformationLocation
Address: 125 E HAMPTON WAY
Municipality: JUPITER
Parcel Control Number: 30-42-41-11-15-000-2550
Subdivision: HAMPTONS AT MAPLEWOOD

Owner Information
Name: BELLEW VERONICA L
Mailing Address: 125 E HAMPTON WAY
JUPITER FL 33458 8137

Sales Information
Type: D
Date/Time: 1/28/1997 09:42:57
CFN: 19970031230
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 9630/150
Pages: 3
Consideration: $145,000.00
Party 1: HOFFMAN J BARTON & STEPHANIE L
HOFFMAN STEPHANIE L (M)
Party 2: BELLEW GEERTRUIDA E
BELLEW VERONICA L
Legal: HAMPTONS AT MPLWD L255 L

Party Time!

Type: MTG
Date/Time: 10/24/2000 08:28:21
CFN: 20000405498
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 12090/574
Pages: 9
Consideration: $140,000.00
Party 1: BELLEW VERONICA L
Party 2: GREAT EASTERN MTG & INVEST INC
Legal: HAMPTONS AT MPLWD L255 L

Type: MTG
Date/Time: 6/6/2001 07:59:35
CFN: 20010237017
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 12616/1870
Pages: 19
Consideration: $141,000.00
Party 1: BELLEW VERONICA L
Party 2: WELLS FARGO HOME MTG INC
Legal: HAMPTONS AT MPLWD L255 L

Type: MTG
Date/Time: 1/26/2002 09:44:31
CFN: 20020046603
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 13348/1575
Pages: 6
Consideration: $42,000.00
Party 1: BELLEW VERONICA L
Party 2: FIRST UNION NATIONAL BANK
Legal: HAMPTONS AT MPLWD L255 L

Type: MTG
Date/Time: 6/5/2003 12:50:27
CFN: 20030328720
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 15327/1410
Pages: 16
Consideration: $171,000.00
Party 1: BELLEW VERONICA L
Party 2: MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC
GREAT EASTERN MORTGAGE & INVESTMENT INC
Legal: HAMPTONS AT MPLWD L255 L

Type: MTG
Date/Time: 9/27/2006 15:47:22
CFN: 20060554437
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 20901/477
Pages: 6
Consideration: $135,000.00
Party 1: BELLEW VERONICA L
Party 2: WACHOVIA BANK NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
Legal: HAMPTONS AT MPLWD L255 L

Type: LP
Date/Time: 12/9/2011 14:59:05
CFN: 20110458987
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 24898/1995
Pages: 1
Consideration: $0.00
Party 1: WELLS FARGO BANK NA
Party 2: BELLEW VERONICA L
BELLEW SPOUSE
WELLS FARGO BANK NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
WACHOVIA BANK NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
HAMPTONS AT MAPLEWOOD HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION INC
MAPLEWOOD PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION INC
Legal: HAMPTONS AT MPLWD L255 L

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-02-04 15:22:57

LINDSEY BUCKINGHAM HOLIDAY ROAD (NATIONAL LAMPOON’S VACATION) LYRICS

I found out long ago
It’s a long way down the Victim Road

Victim Road oh ohooo oh ohooh ohoo ohooh ohoo
Victim Road oh ohooo oh ohooh ohoo ohooh ohoo

Jack be nimble, Jack be quick
Last refied back in 06

Victim Road oh ohooo oh ohooh ohoo ohooh ohoo
Victim Road oh ohooo oh ohooh ohoo ohooh ohoo
Victim Road oh ohooo oh ohooh ohoo ohooh ohoo
Victim Road oh ohooo oh ohooh ohoo ohooh ohoo

He stopped paying long ago
But it`s a long way down Victim Road

Victim Road oh ohooo oh ohooh ohoo ohooh ohoo
Victim Road oh ohooo oh ohooh ohoo ohooh ohoo
Victim Road oh ohooo oh ohooh ohoo ohooh ohoo

 
Comment by bill in Phoenix and Tampa
2012-02-04 16:42:38

Bill Gross a) endorsing Ron Paul and b) turning bullish on gold? See for yourself.

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/02/02/bond-king-bill-gross-im-ron-paulish/

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-02-04 16:53:52

I’m exhausted after a day of play outside with the kids. I can’t believe “winter” this year. I mean, it’s usually mild this time of year in Florida, but holy hell I was frying today on the playground.

Comment by rms
2012-02-04 19:44:41

We had a nice sunny day albeit cool enough that I wore my Carhartt Arctic hooded sweatshirt and Marino wool beanie cap. Next week looks like more freezing fog.

I spent several hours today replacing the electric water heater elements and wet vacuuming the hard water flakes from the tank’s bottom. The last set of elements lasted six years.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2012-02-04 20:20:09

Insert dumbazz comment conflating weather with climate here…

Comment by chilidoggg
2012-02-04 23:19:19

Al Gore invented the internet.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-05 00:19:47

Newt’s goose seems not merely cooked, but at least well-done, if not burned to a crisp.

Gingrich’s Deep Ties to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

Mike Brown/Reuters
Speaker Newt Gingrich in 1998 in Ireland, where he helped promote a program sponsored by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. His campaign said he had been invited by Habitat for Humanity.
By ERIC LICHTBLAU
Published: February 3, 2012

WASHINGTON — On a trip to Ireland in 1998, Speaker Newt Gingrich researched his Irish roots, discussed the prospects for peace in Northern Ireland and entertained speculation about his presidential ambitions. He even donned work gloves and blue jeans to help build a home in Belfast for a good-will project.

Two of the sponsors for part of the Ireland trip were frequent partners of Mr. Gingrich: Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae — the government-backed housing industry giants that Mr. Gingrich has denounced as he fights to stay in contention against Mitt Romney in the Republican primaries.

Mr. Gingrich has faced many questions recently about the more than $1.6 million in consulting fees he got from Freddie Mac since leaving Congress in 1999. But part of the relationship started years earlier, as records and interviews show that Mr. Gingrich, as House leader in the 1990s, aligned himself with Freddie and Fannie on a number of key issues — defending them in Congress against political attacks, joining with them on housing projects and seeing top aides go work for them.

While Mr. Gingrich has minimized his past connections to the two closely related companies on the campaign trail, his Congressional record shows that his political and financial ties to the firms run deeper and farther back than he has acknowledged publicly and, in fact, set the stage for the lucrative consulting work that followed.

Mr. Gingrich, whose campaign declined to comment on his ties with Fannie and Freddie while in Congress, has been blistering in his recent criticism of the mortgage finance companies. He has blamed them in part for the 2008 housing collapse, said they should now be “broken up,” and in an October debate he declared that Representative Barney Frank should be “in jail” for associating with lobbyists close to Freddie.

But while in Congress, Mr. Gingrich had kind words for the companies. Announcing a housing partnership in Atlanta in 1995, for instance, he held up Fannie as “an excellent example of a former government institution fulfilling its mandate while functioning in the market economy.”

He was far from Fannie and Freddie’s only Congressional supporter in those years; before the stain of the 2008 housing collapse, the companies’ allies were legion.

But Mr. Gingrich’s help was seen as particularly crucial after the Republicans took control of the House in 1994, as Freddie and Fannie tried to turn back rising hostility from some Republicans over their mission, structure and financing.

Once he became speaker in 1995, Mr. Gingrich’s support loomed large as the companies sought to shore up flagging confidence among the Republicans and bolster the case for home ownership, officials said.

“Whenever you could get Republicans who supported you, it was important, and the more prominent the Republican, the better,” said William Maloni, a senior vice president at Fannie Mae until 2004. “Newt would have been important.”

Mr. Gingrich’s senior advisers were important as well, with a handful of his aides and confidants going on to work for Freddie and Fannie or for lobbying groups that represented them. Of particular significance, several officials said, was Fannie’s hiring of Arne L. Christenson, Mr. Gingrich’s chief of staff, as a top executive and lobbyist in 1999.

“From their perspective, hiring someone who could beef up their Republican credentials made perfect sense,” said Jack Howard, policy director for Mr. Gingrich at the time. Mr. Christenson did not return a call seeking comment.

In a showdown critical to the companies’ fortunes, Mr. Gingrich played an important behind-the-scenes role in helping block a proposal in 1995 that would have forced Fannie and Freddie — rather than taxpayers — to pay potentially billions of dollars in increased fees, according to interviews and press accounts at the time.

At the time, Representative Jim Leach, a senior Republican from Iowa who led the House banking committee and was a fierce critic of Fannie and Freddie, wanted the companies to pay the bulk of about $4.8 billion to finance a reserve for ailing savings and loan institutions.

 
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2012-02-05 00:21:55

Bloomberg
Gingrich Ties to Fannie, Freddie Said to Extend to Speaker Days
February 04, 2012, 7:07 PM EST
By Eric Engleman

Feb 4 (Bloomberg) — Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich had ties to Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae during his time as speaker of the House from 1995 to 1999, adding to questions about the nature of his relationship with the home mortgage companies.

Gingrich, then a U.S. representative from Georgia, visited Ireland in 1998 on a trip that was partly sponsored by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, the New York Times reported today. Gingrich also helped thwart measures that would have boosted fees paid by the two mortgage companies, the newspaper reported.

Gingrich’s consulting work for Freddie Mac after he left Congress has emerged as a theme in the Republican presidential nomination campaign and drawn criticism from rivals. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have drawn about $153 billion in taxpayer aid since losses from risky mortgages caused them to be brought under U.S. conservatorship in September 2008.

Gingrich spokesman R.C. Hammond didn’t immediately respond to an e-mail requesting comment on his connections to Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae during his time in Congress. Douglas Duvall, a Freddie Mac spokesman, declined to comment. Andrew Wilson, spokesman for Fannie Mae, didn’t immediately respond to an e- mail seeking comment.

 
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2012-02-05 00:24:48

D.C. Current | SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 2012
Fannie Mae’s Fire Sale
By JIM MCTAGUE | MORE ARTICLES BY AUTHOR

Fannie Mae will soon start auctioning off foreclosed houses and pools of non-performing loans in bulk. How to buy a cut-rate rental property.

Fire sale! The Federal Housing Finance Agency has approved a big residential real-estate auction at Fannie Mae to help the mortgage giant unload its inventory of 122,616 foreclosed houses. For the first time, the regulators are permitting Fannie Mae to sell houses in bulk. The test sale also will include pools of non-performing loans.

Corporations, partnerships and non-profits with at least $5 million in assets are expected to flock to the pilot auction, which hasn’t been scheduled yet. But there also will be a place for individuals with incomes exceeding $200,000; couples with combined incomes over $300,000; and individuals and couples with a net worth of more than $1 million, excluding their primary homes.

All of the bidders will have to have a proven track record as successful landlords because the properties can’t be flipped. Buyers will have to rent out the houses for a yet unspecified term of years. Many of the houses to be included in the test auction are occupied by tenants. These are persons who had been renting the units when their landlords defaulted on the property’s mortgage. Federal and state laws protect them from eviction.

There is a way into the auction for novices who want to get into the rental-housing game: They will be permitted to form partnerships with rental pros. Information about bidder registration, is available on the FHFA’s Website (www.fhfa.gov), under the REO Asset Disposition link. Additionally, individual investors can buy houses one at a time through Fannie Mae’s Home Path program, which includes financing (www.homepath.com). Last week, there were 261 properties in Atlanta selling for less than $100,000. In Las Vegas, there were 370 such properties.

Fannie Mae hasn’t yet announced if it will provide financing to the winning bidders. This could be a problem for many investors without access to the capital markets because bankers remain reluctant to lend money and, in real estate, leveraged investing is the name of the game. According to the FHFA, the assets in the pilot auction will come from the metropolitan areas hardest-hit by the housing bust. This would include Atlanta, Chicago, Detroit, Fort Lauderdale, Las Vegas and Los Angeles.

Although the housing market generally appears to be bottoming, “Places that fell off the cliff are going to take the longest time to recover,” says David Crowe, chief economist for the National Association of Home Builders. So in addition to deep pockets, investors should possess a long-term time horizon.

 
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