The Wall Street Journal
FEBRUARY 7, 2012, 3:35 P.M. ET
More US states to join foreclosure-abuse deal
Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Arizona and Florida will join a nationwide settlement over foreclosure abuses, officials with direct knowledge say. They will join more than 40 other states in approving a deal to provide relief for many Americans who lost their homes or can’t afford their mortgages.
Formal announcements could come within a week, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss the settlement publicly.
Arizona and Florida’s involvement buoys hopes that a full 50-state deal is imminent.
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Prof, have you heard anything about whether or not Kamala Harris is still holding out? There seems to be a news blackout on the negotiations up and down the state and local reps aren’t talking– not sure if that’s good or bad….
A foreclosure settlement between five major banks guilty of “robo-signing” and the attorneys general of the 50 states was pending for Monday, February 6; but late last week it was still not clear if all the attorneys would sign. California was to get over half of the US$25 billion in settlement money, and California attorney general Kamala Harris has withstood pressure to settle. As of late Monday, she was among those who had not agreed to the proposal.
That is good. She and the other attorneys general should not sign until a thorough investigation has been conducted. The evidence
to date suggests that “robo-signing” was not a mere technical default or sloppy business practice but was part and parcel of a much larger fraud, the fraud that brought down the whole economy in 2008.
It is not just distressed homeowners but the entire economy that has paid the price, resulting in massive unemployment and a shrunken tax base, throwing state and local governments into insolvency and forcing austerity measures and cutbacks in government services across the nation.
The details of the robo-signing scam were spelled out in my last article (see Robo-signing casts a shadow, Asia Times Online, January 27, 2012. [1] The robo-signing fraud and its implications are expanded on below.
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“of a much larger fraud”, without which we would have not gotten out of the post TechWreck recession of the early 2k0s. Of course, the tech bubble was just a fraud created to get out of the S&L collapse caused recession, which was the fraud used to get out of the junk bond collapse induced slow down, which was a fraud to…..
Perhaps it would have been better had we attacked the trade imbalance and widening wealth disparity back in the 1960s-70s rather than a long series of frauds caused by and causing, unsustainable debt growth to create the new debt/money needed to fund all those trade imbalances.
‘…“of a much larger fraud”, without which we would have not gotten out of the post TechWreck recession of the early 2k0s. Of course, the tech bubble was just a fraud created to get out of the S&L collapse caused recession, which was the fraud used to get out of the junk bond collapse induced slow down, which was a fraud to…’
So 1000 wrongs now make a right?
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-02-08 07:01:17
“which was the fraud used to get out of the junk bond collapse induced slow down, which was a fraud to…..”
$ounds like Froad-Jumping to me.
He who leap$ last is it!
It’s I love Lucy & pay phones & Kodak Instamatic’s
Or
843 (mostly crap) $atellite/Cable channels & $mart phones that can’t even print pictures
There’s no going back. We grow $lower, but maybe we can grow $marter, only time will tell, ihho
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2012-02-08 07:14:52
“So 1000 wrongs now make a right?”
How do you get that from, “Perhaps it would have been better had we attacked the trade imbalance and widening wealth disparity back in the 1960s-70s rather than a long series of frauds caused by and causing, unsustainable debt growth to create the new debt/money needed to fund all those trade imbalances.”
I don’t view the housing bubble as an isolated incident, but rather the latest bubble in a series of bubbles .
I do not believe that letting this bubble collapse, and replace it with yet another bubble is the a poor idea.
I’d like to attack the root causes of the problems rather than just replacing the bandages on the gaping wound.
Or, in more plain terms, end free trade, revert to a 1950s style tax code, allow much of the existing debt to collapse, etc. etc.
from the article That is where the robo-signing came in. Foreclosure defense attorneys armed with the tools of discovery have discovered that robo-signing - involving falsified signatures assigning mortgages back to the trusts allegedly owning them - occurred not just occasionally or randomly but in virtually every case. Why? Because the mortgages had to be left free to be bought and sold on a daily basis in the money market by investors. The investors are not interested in making 30-year loans. They want something short-term with immediate rights of withdrawal like a deposit account.
We could be looking at another banking collapse at any time; and to fix the problem, we first need to know what is going on. The attorneys general should not agree to drop the curtain on the robo-signing scandal until all the evidence is on the table. It is not just a matter of punishing the guilty; it is a matter of a banking scheme based on fraud, one that ultimately does not work and has jeopardized the homes, savings and investments of the public not just recently but for hundreds of years.
Exactly what I was saying when the robo-signing scandal first blew up, and most everyone here (with a few exceptions) was saying it was all just a stupid delaying tactic, and we should ignore it and get those damn ‘deadbeats’ out of their houses. And I was saying it was the key to the whole thing, as it’s proving to be.
Right, Jeff?
O-oh, MERSy, MERSy me…
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Comment by jeff saturday
2012-02-08 08:06:55
You Make Me Feel Like A Natural Woman Lyrics
Artist(Band):Aretha Franklin
Looking out on the morning rain
I used to feel so uninspired
And when I thought I`d have rent to pay
Lord, it made me feel so tired
Before the day I met you, life was so unkind
But you’re the key to my peace of mind
Cause you make me feel, you make me feel, you make me feel like
A Robo signed victim
When my house was upside down
On who could I blame it
The refi cash is gone you see
But you helped me name it
Now I’m no longer doubtful, this house belongs to me
I don`t have to pay and it`s mine for free
Cause you make me feel, you make me feel, you make me feel like
A Robo signed victim
Oh, baby, what you’ve done to me
You make me feel so good inside
And now I`ll get my house for free
You make me feel so alive
You make me feel, you make me feel, you make me feel like A Robo signed victim
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-02-08 08:26:39
“Yes, we should always remember to forget about the crimes of the banksters, and keep the focus on the little people involved.”
Go ahead and put the banksters in jail if you can find any politician that will allow it. But don`t forget about the “little people” who took out $trillions in cash out refis. They don`t have to go to jail but a rental would be nice.
Comment by Elanor
2012-02-08 09:03:40
Jeff, IIRC, Carole King wrote that song. Give credit where it’s due.
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-02-08 09:15:13
Jeff, IIRC, Carole King wrote that song. Give credit where it’s due.
Indeed she did. It was one of her earliest hits.
BTW, Carole King is pushing 70 and is still performing. She can’t hit the high notes the way she once did, but she still plays a solid keyboard and sings well.
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-02-08 09:49:17
‘…and we should ignore it and get those damn ‘deadbeats’ out of their houses.’
Yepper$,
That and the fact that it happen to coincide with the di$covery that Linda-The-Lunch-Lady-was-$uddenly-found-to-be-Living-Lavi$hly!
In the $potlight: peons
In the $hadows: Geniuses-of-the-Moment
(runnin’ as fast & far as their monie$ can take ‘em)
We have massive unemployment now because we employed millions pf people building houses and malls that we didn’t need. Like Ben reminds often; we had a mania, when are they going to talk about that?
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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-08 06:01:27
Yes, we should always remember to forget about the crimes of the banksters, and keep the focus on the little people involved.
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2012-02-08 06:11:18
And if we had not employeed them building too many houses for half a decade then what? Our long-term unemployed would have been out of work for 12 years instead of 4-5 years?
Somehow I doubt we would heve been any more willing to end freetrade and reverse widening wealth disparity a decade ago than we are today.
Comment by In Colorado
2012-02-08 07:00:14
When pigs fly?
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-02-08 07:08:49
“we had a mania”
heheeheeeheheeeheeheeehee
Just goes to show ya how much more $marter all the other $overeign Nations are than the good ol’ U$A!
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-02-08 07:20:34
“forget about the crimes of the banksters”
I suggest nothing of the sort. They are predators and played on our weak mindedness. Putting them in jail however will not make us wise. Blaming them for the mania, makes you feel smart, but it’s just a feeling.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-08 07:40:16
Blaming them for the mania, makes you feel smart, but it’s just a feeling.
Everything is just a feeling. And I don’t blame only the banksters for the ‘mania’. One could well argue that no one is responsible for a true mania, or that almost everyone is responsible. But so-called professional bankers should be among the first (along with their regulators) to be held responsible for a financial meltdown caused by and/or facilitated by their actions as banking professionals. Trying to excuse or ignore their behavior by always switching blame to the deadbeats strikes me as not a rational way to look at things, or apportion blame, if we hope to ensure we don’t repeat our mistakes.
But it does strike me as a good way for the banksters to get off Scott-free.
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-02-08 07:59:14
It remains that we did not have an epic housing bubble because there were facilitators. We love a ponzi scheme.
Comment by Al
2012-02-08 08:36:32
The bankers don’t have to be responsible for the mania in order to be responsible for the fraud and the negligence.
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-02-08 08:55:32
You are right Al. They didn’t convince us that we should pay too much for houses though, or that we should buy ten and we would get rich. The ponzi did not collapse because or bank fraud, it collapsed because it was a ponzi.
Sort of like: Ticks don’t help, but they don’t make the dog.
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-02-08 09:03:45
If you don’t think the bankstas engineered this mess from top to bottom, you better think again.
Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise, and in particular, to show this financial crisis was engineered from the top for profit?
In Somalia back in Clinton’s day the claim was that U.N. food convoys were being hijacked, and everywhere one looked their were starving “stick” people. There were also some who looked well fed.
Now the average Joe could probably finger the culprits, but the diplomatic envoys were not sure where to start looking for answers. I’m sure our resident legal expert could probably explain how profiling is against international law, and we didn’t have the resources or the time to figure out who was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt unless a very well funded cost authority was available.
The Marine Corps have a saying that ends with, …and let God sort ‘em out.
Why the AGs Must Not Settle: Robo-signing Is Just the Tip of the Iceberg
by Ellen Hodgson Brown / February 6th, 2012
A foreclosure settlement between five major banks guilty of “robo-signing” and the attorneys general of the 50 states is pending for Monday, February 6th, but it is still not clear if all the AGs will sign. California was to get over half of the $25 billion in settlement money, and California AG Kamala Harris has withstood pressure to settle.
That is good. She and the other AGs should not sign until a thorough investigation has been conducted. The evidence to date suggests that “robo-signing” was not a mere technical default or sloppy business practice but was part and parcel of a much larger fraud, the fraud that brought down the whole economy in 2008. It is not just distressed homeowners but the entire economy that has paid the price, resulting in massive unemployment and a shrunken tax base, throwing state and local governments into insolvency and forcing austerity measures and cutbacks in government services across the nation.
Why All the Robo-signing?
That is where the robo-signing came in. Foreclosure defense attorneys armed with the tools of discovery have discovered that robo-signing — involving falsified signatures assigning mortgages back to the trusts allegedly owning them — occurred not just occasionally or randomly but in virtually every case. Why? Because the mortgages had to be left free to be bought and sold on a daily basis in the money market by investors. The investors are not interested in making 30 year loans. They want something short-term with immediate rights of withdrawal like a deposit account.
The Hazards of Borrowing Short to Lend Long
The problem is that when panicked investors all exercise that right at once, there is no cheap funding available to back the 30 year mortgage loans, rendering the banks insolvent. And that is what happened on September 15, 2008, when Lehman Brothers, a major investment bank like Bear Stearns, went bankrupt.
Weren’t you telling us the robo-signing thing was just a stupid delay tactic for deadbeats, and that we should ignore it and get the deadbeats out!
And you were irate with me for saying that robo-signing was the tip of the iceberg, and that if we give the banksters a pass on it, then we can’t complain that they were never investigated properly?
Yes, I think you were.
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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2012-02-08 07:18:53
Robo-signing was forgery and fraud, pure and simple. The fact that Republicrat AGs are giving the banksters yet another slap on the wrist for systemic criminality speaks volumes about them, and about how profoundly perverted the rule of law has become in America.
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-02-08 07:49:58
“Weren’t you telling us the robo-signing thing was just a stupid delay tactic for deadbeats,”
Deadbeats who GLADLY took the refi money were not concerned with anything legal or illegal when they got the BIG money. They were not even a little bit concerned about what their loan applications said their income was because after all, realestate only goes up. They were masters of the universe and were brilliant people who bought houses in 1995 at price levels that would never be seen again.
Deadbeats did not care if mortgages had to be left free to be bought and sold on a daily basis in the money market by investors when they got the loans. They only cared when their realestate “investments” lost value and they were underwater with no chance of ever paying the loan back without being able to sell to a bigger idiot.
As far as a “stupid delay tactic for deadbeats” it`s obvously a great delay tactic for Deadbeats. But they are still Deadbeats.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-08 08:07:49
it`s obvously a great delay tactic for Deadbeats. But they are still Deadbeats.
But it’s a good thing we didn’t ignore it, if we ever hope to get to the bottom of what really happened in this whole mess. And if we want to ensure that our centuries-old, tried-and-proven system of real estate ownership and conveyance hasn’t effectively been destroyed, in the interest of deregulation.
In other words, it’s a good thing we didn’t listen to what you were saying, and investigated it anyway. It’s never a good idea to bum-rush the truth.
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-02-08 08:35:08
“It’s never a good idea to bum-rush the truth.”
Perhaps that is my problem. 8 years does not seem like a bum-rush to the truth. But maybe it is.
Comment by Jim A
2012-02-08 08:56:20
There will ALWAYS be plenty of people willing to borrow their way to the poor house. There will ALWAYS be RE agents willing to lie to make a sale. Since those factors are constants, they can’t explain the bubble.
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-02-08 14:39:22
“it’s a good thing we didn’t listen to what you were saying, and investigated it anyway.”
I didn`t know you investigated it. Congradulations! You did a great job, I didn`t know how to investigate the Robo signing. The only thing I could do was find hundreds of victims who combined took out millions of dollars in “equity” that they couldn`t or didn`t pay back which evidently was because they were Robo signed?
Comment by Liz Pendens
2012-02-08 17:24:27
FBs blaming Robo Signing is like a gambling addict raising hell with the casino for giving him counterfeit chips after he loses them all at the Roulette table. Yes, the chips were fakes, but he lost all his bets anyway so what difference does it make? The Casino should be investigated for the chip-counterfeiting problem but that is a totally separate issue. There would be no Robo-signing complaints if the bubble were still going strong (how horrible would that be? The real estate bubble was probably the most ugly era of disgusting greed I have witnessed in my 45 years), only when things go poorly for folks do they start desperately grasping for someone else to blame.
Robo-signing was pretty much a faceless and victimless crime. It is the perfect cover. No bankers are going to jail. No deadbeats will get free houses. Meanwhile, transfer of money and power to the money-power centers continues uncriticized. ZIRP to infinity.
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-02-08 09:07:16
There have been hundreds of indictments already.
Simply goolge “robo signing indictments”
Jail time? Still too soon for prosecution to be finished.
Comment by Montana
2012-02-08 09:57:47
I wonder if the county clerks are going to sue in a class action. Hell all the munis could join in something like that, any entity that relies on filing fees.
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-02-08 10:02:13
I wonder if the county clerks are going to sue in a class action. Hell all the munis could join in something like that, any entity that relies on filing fees.
In my county, the County Clerk is in charge of elections. The County Recorder would be the one who’d be skeeved about losing out on property deed recording fees.
And, wouldn’t you know it, the clerks/recorders/whatever have a national organization. I’ll bet that losing out of the aforementioned fees is a hot topic at their annual conventions.
Comment by Montana
2012-02-08 14:44:28
The two functions are combined here but I meant it generically anyway. There is also the Clerk of District Court.
“local reps aren’t talking– not sure if that’s good or bad….”
Bad. That’s always a bad sign, IMO. Although maybe Cali is different. In Florida, political silence from a buncha folks who get moist with delight at the sound of their own voices is a sign to the populace that they’re about to receive a royal screwing. But that’s Florida.
WASHINGTON — Arizona, Michigan and Florida, three of the states hit hardest by the housing crisis, will join a nationwide settlement over foreclosure abuses, officials with direct knowledge say.
They will join more than 40 other states in approving a deal that would benefit many Americans who lost their homes or can’t afford their mortgages.
The three states’ involvement buoys hopes that a full 50-state deal is imminent.
Formal announcements from Arizona and Florida could come within a week, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss the settlement publicly.
Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne said he first wants to resolve a separate foreclosure-related lawsuit his state filed against Bank of America.
Florida officials say they are still in discussions. Attorney General Pam Bondi “remains engaged in the settlement discussions in order to ensure that Floridians receive their fair share in the agreement,” she said in a statement. Other officials said Florida intends to back the deal.
Michigan announced Tuesday it would join the settlement. Officials said the state would receive about $500 million in aid.
Michigan officials also said they would continue a criminal investigation into Docx, a unit of Lender Processing Services of Jacksonville, Fla. The company is accused of using fake signatures on phony foreclosure documents. Missouri filed criminal charges against the firm and its founder Friday, saying it falsified 68 notarized deeds on behalf of mortgage lenders.
The nationwide settlement stems from abuses that occurred after the housing bubble burst. Many companies that process foreclosures failed to verify documents. Some employees signed papers they hadn’t read or used fake signatures to speed foreclosures — an action known as robo-signing.
The deal would be the biggest involving a single industry since a 1998 multistate tobacco deal. It would force the five largest mortgage lenders to reduce loans for about 1 million households. The reduced loans would benefit homeowners who are behind on their payments and owe more than their homes are worth.
The lenders would also send checks for about $2,000 to hundreds of thousands of people who lost homes to foreclosure.
Five major states — California, Delaware, Massachusetts, New York and Nevada — are still considering whether to join the settlement. Massachusetts, which filed its own lawsuit against the five major lenders in December over deceptive foreclosure practices, has been quiet about its thinking.
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The one thing you always *have* to remember in all of these messes, is that the banks won’t sign on to agreements like this unless they get a good deal. So, if you are a State AG and you think you are getting something good out of it, but the banks are very willing to sign on, then you can be absolutely sure that there is wrong doing that you don’t know about yet. Now, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t sign. Most state AGs don’t have the time or the money or the resources to find the hidden wrong doing that the banks are trying to get out of. Most of them. A few like CA and NY and maybe Del (very expert at corporate law) might, but the rest don’t.
There was a little video thing on the NY Times yesterday about a first criminal action being filed, that might blow this thing open. I’ll keep an eye on it. Bear, you might want to follow Gretchen Morgenson for the next few days.
Please, note that it is a servicing company separate from the banks. Plausible deniability for the real top hot shots as I have been pointing out.
Comment by Jim A
2012-02-08 09:00:28
If the banks gave firms like DocX excel spreadsheets, and they or LPS presented signed paperwork to the courts, can the banks or servicers plead ignorance of the fraud?
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-02-08 09:18:16
Plausible deniability for the real top hot shots as I have been pointing out.
Fire-walling the fraud. Brilliant… and evil.
Comment by polly
2012-02-08 09:18:40
Depends on the details. Cases depend on exact facts and the minute details of the criminal code sections (and subsequent interpretation) being used. No way to know yet.
Comment by Jim A
2012-02-08 09:20:46
IMplausible deniability, I say.
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-02-08 10:09:21
“Fire-walling the fraud. Brilliant… and evil.”
Eyes been tell’in ya,…they’re $mart! & adults! & know how to behave! & just leave ‘em to their own $elf-regulated Bidne$$ activitie$ why don’t ya!
Comment by Neuromance
2012-02-08 12:24:08
Plausible deniability for the real top hot shots as I have been pointing out.
Fire-walling the fraud. Brilliant… and evil.
I think the investment banks orchestrated the whole thing, and yet have the most firewalled position:
1) They encouraged the loan originators to generate liars loans, which they purchased.
2) They encouraged the ratings agencies to put an AAA stamp on the bad loans they pooled.
3) They encouraged the politicians to adjust the laws and influence regulators so all this could continue unmolested.
They were nothing but hapless middlemen caught between the malfeasance of the loan originators and ratings agencies, and the fecklessness of politicians. What’s a poor I-Banker to do?
They were merely the “market makers” as Blankfein testified during the ABACUS hearing, and collected handsome fees and commissions from the ponzi scheme. And as Fabrice Tourre said, they will be the ones who will remain standing in the rubble of the deals.
Brilliant. And evil. All legal. The classical Mafia must be absolutely green with envy.
What does “reduce the loans” mean? Are they reducing the interest rate or reducing the principal?
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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-02-08 09:19:32
What does “reduce the loans” mean? Are they reducing the interest rate or reducing the principal?
My guess is that it will be a token reduction in the monthly payment, but no reduction in the principal. Which means that it’s the time to cue up Nancy Sinatra singing “These Boots are Made for Walking.”
Comment by Jim A
2012-02-08 09:21:59
..In this case, I think it means that they’re making a gravy from the stock….
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-02-08 09:38:50
My guess is that it will be a token reduction in the monthly payment, but no reduction in the principal.
I thought they were talking about real principal reduction, this time around.
As we have talked about many years back, principal reductions can make good sense for a lender, if the losses due to the reduction are less than the losses due to a foreclosure.
The irony here is that the big-5 banks are getting to do what makes business sense, and they are getting credit for it as part of this settlement. In other words, they are having to pay a “huge penalty” largely to themselves.
Comment by polly
2012-02-08 10:21:25
Classic lawyer tactic. If you can limit your client’s “penalty” to something they would have done anyway (eventually) you win. Also, remember that most of these loans are NOT owned directly by the banks. They are the servicers. If they can get a court to order them to reduce the principle, then they have a very good defense if by some miracle the owners of the bonds can get together to bring suit against them for doing the principle reduction which might not fulfill their duty to follow generally accepted business practices. Use the government as a lawsuit block on their responsibility under the servicing contract.
It is kind of brilliant from a lawyer’s perspective.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-08 10:26:59
the big-5 banks are getting to do what makes business sense, and they are getting credit for it as part of this settlement. In other words, they are having to pay a “huge penalty” largely to themselves.
And they get to blame it on the deadbeats. Win-win!
Comment by Jim A
2012-02-08 13:01:23
And as Yves over at Naked Capitalism has pointed out, it looks like the banks can get partial credit for lowering principal on the first leins that the service to preserve the second leins which they own. So that would be a BIG win for them.
Comment by polly
2012-02-08 13:29:52
I don’t think I was completely aware before yesterday that the banks really do own a lot of the second liens. I don’t know if they are going to reduce the firsts so much that the seconds actually have some value, but if they could, that would be epic from their standpoint.
And it really explains the whole “not rushing to foreclosure” thing with no need to resort to any kind of conspiracy theory or collusion or anything like that. If you foreclose on a property that is underwater on the first lien, the second becomes instantly worthless and becomes an instant loss if they have been carrying it as worth anything at all. Their interest (put off taking the loss as long as they can in case something/anything happens) is in direct conflict with the interests of the bond holders (get it foreclosed and sold as quickly as possible before it looses even more value). I don’t know how many have second liens on houses in which they are the servicers for the primary, but it is a pretty big deal as far as incentives go. Bigger than just losing the stream of payments for being the servicer. It explains why they might drag their feet even if the servicing agreement doesn’t pay them when the loan holder stops paying.
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-02-08 13:39:30
even if the servicing agreement doesn’t pay them when the loan holder stops paying.
My understanding is that generally the servicing agreement pays them MORE for a loan that is in default, based on the theory that they have to expend extra effort with notifications, inspections, etc etc.
So they win on both fronts: increased servicing payments for a longer period of time, in addition to the delay in recognizing their losses on seconds.
And now if they can use the settlement to reduce the first while maintaining their second, that is a MASSIVE giveaway to the banks.
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-02-08 14:19:32
And now if they can use the settlement to reduce the first while maintaining their second, that is a MASSIVE giveaway to the banks.
And I’m sure that the Occupy movement will weigh in with their thoughts on the subject.
Hey it ain’t fair what about MY principle reduction on my CC??
Ok tax refund time bought a Lenovo windows 7 6GB 1TB for $379 at staples yesterday… now the big decision should i get a mac mini or spring for the extra $$ and get a mac laptop?
I have a old G4 power pc 12″ laptop that works fine wireless, but it cant be upgraded past 10.5.8 and flash streaming sites like stickam doesn’t work I have digital performer 7.2 works fine and hooked up to a 23″ monitor…and just need to install final cut on a newer machine…
Or get the mac mini and an ipad?
yeah sold some dj records and lighting to a newbie dj..
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I thought they were talking about real principal reduction, this time around.
Prof, have you heard anything about whether or not Kamala Harris is still holding out? There seems to be a news blackout on the negotiations up and down the state and local reps aren’t talking– not sure if that’s good or bad….
Slim checking in from Tucson. According to this Arizona Daily Star article, Harris is still a holdout. From the article:
“Even if Arizona joins, there may be other holdouts. Last month, California Attorney General Kamala Harris called the deal inadequate.
More than 2 million homeowners in California and other states could benefit from at least $25 billion in relief from the nation’s biggest banks as part of a broad government settlement to be announced as early as Thursday, according to state and federal authorities. It is the latest effort by the government to halt the housing market’s downward slide.
Despite the billions of dollars earmarked in the accord, the aid will help a relatively small portion of the millions of borrowers who are delinquent and facing foreclosure. The success could depend in part on how well the program is implemented because earlier efforts by Washington to help troubled borrowers aided far fewer than had been expected.
Still, the agreement is the broadest effort yet to help borrowers owing more than their houses are worth, with about 1 million expected to have their mortgage debt reduced by lenders. In addition, 300,000 homeowners are expected to be able to refinance their homes at lower rates, while an additional 750,000 people who lost their homes to foreclosure from September 2008 to the end of 2011 will receive checks for about $2,000.
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No jail time for any of the money bankers, laws broken it does not matter. They always knew “before” no one goes to jail and settle any mishaps with money, fines was always built in the system.We are all seeing this happened now! DISGRACEFUL
Greek Prime Minister Lucas Papademos meets with officials from the nation’s main political parties to hammer out reforms needed to secure more bailout money.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Officials in Greece are under pressure to reach agreement on more austerity measures, as the threat of a default hangs over the country and protestors take to the streets.
Prime Minister Lucas Papademos and the leaders of Greece’s governing coalition need to hammer out the details of a package of job and salary cuts, as well as pension reforms and other measures to reduce public spending.
Papademos was set to meet with party leaders Tuesday evening, but talks have now been pushed back to Wednesday, according to the Prime Ministers office.
It was the second delay since the leaders agreed Sunday on the “main elements” of the program, including a plan to reduce public spending by 1.5% of gross domestic output this year.
Meanwhile, Greek labor unions held a daylong strike Tuesday to protest the reforms, which they see as being foisted on them by foreign creditors.
The reforms are needed for Greece to receive a second bailout worth €130 billion from the European Union, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank.
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I suspect Wall Street gunslingers are somehow making a bundle off Greece’s ride along the knife edge: Armageddon risk on, Armageddon risk off, lather, rinse, repeat. The Eurozone debt crisis is a veritable volatility blender, creating fantastic gambling opportunities for too-big-to-fail (aka systemically risky) banks who can play both sides of the doomsday trade. Hence my guess is that it will continue for “longer than expected.”
Greece stays in play as futures edge higher
By Chuck Mikolajczak
NEW YORK | Wed Feb 8, 2012 8:15am EST
(Reuters) - Stock index futures edged higher on Wednesday as leaders in Greece again attempted to reach a deal on reforms in exchange for a new bailout.
The recent delays stirred European Union officials to warn Greece that the euro zone could continue without the fiscally troubled nation, which needs a rescue package to avoid an unruly default.
“The anticipation is that they are going to work out the Greek problem one way or the other here. Then we are probably going to have to face Portugal down the road, and we will probably have to face Greece again down the road, depending on how they deal with it,” said Paul Mendelsohn, chief investment strategist at Windham Financial Services in Charlotte, Vermont.
“The issue is, are you going to have a Lehman-type financial crisis, and the market’s take on that so far is probably not.”
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I suspect that Germany on the whole is benefiting by Greece’s ride on the bloody edge. A strong Euro is death for exports.
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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-02-08 07:46:50
Exactly. Germany gets to have its cake and eat it too. They oppose ‘euro-bonds’, so Germany still gets to borrow money at extremely low rates, while the euro stays cheap thanks to the troubles with the PIIGS, thus helping German exports.
And they get to blame it all on someone else- for being lazy deadbeats. Win-win!
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-02-08 09:22:04
And they get to blame it all on someone else- for being lazy deadbeats. Win-win!
Speaking as someone who is partly of German descent, I can tell you that in the Teutonic brain, laziness does not compute. Instead, you are to work, work, work, and work.
In short, we’re not very good at hanging out. Or being laid back.
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-02-08 10:38:49
In-laws are german and swiss. The hardest working people I’ve ever known.
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-02-08 11:19:09
My German grandmother swept the curb in front of her house every day. Not the sidewalk, the street side. Didn’t want to appear lazy and sloppy.
Comment by Neuromance
2012-02-08 12:40:00
Exactly. Germany gets to have its cake and eat it too. They oppose ‘euro-bonds’, so Germany still gets to borrow money at extremely low rates, while the euro stays cheap thanks to the troubles with the PIIGS, thus helping German exports.
I was thinking about the whole free trade thing, and the near religious belief that many of us have in the benefits of free trade. Ever since I was a kid, throughout my schooling, never once did I hear anything other than free trade was the Holy Grail of economics.
Why would this be? For 30 years after World War II, international trade was completely to the US’s benefit, like it is to Germany’s benefit in Europe. Creates a long-lasting belief in its efficacy, much like the belief in housing was created.
It’s benefits are just unquestioned. Takes a long time to break a society of a Pavlovian response I guess. Especially of a Pavlovian response which once worked consistently.
Comment by michael
2012-02-08 12:42:22
my wife use to do alot of international travel for work.
the germans are at the top of the list…but american’s are number one.
anecdotal and limited to the consulting/accounting industry.
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-02-08 13:00:47
my wife use to do alot of international travel for work.
the germans are at the top of the list…but american’s are number one.
And which list would that be? Workaholism?
Comment by Steve J
2012-02-08 14:32:49
Germans get a lot of vacation time and a lot of holidays.
Americans and Japanese get the least in the entire world.
“Someone has to tell the middle class they have to work to age 69 “
I’m OK with that as long as I am healthy enough to work and as long as my employer ( or any employer) continues to pay me. The next time I get laid off may be the last time I am able to get paying work. And after 60, health insurance becomes very expensive if you are not part of a group plan.
Now, where are the jobs going to come from for my children when us middle class folks are working an extra 4 or more years?
Financial writer Philip Coggan traces the current global financial crisis to the 1970s, when the U.S. went off the gold standard.
“Up till then, every form of money had some link to precious metal: gold or silver,” Coggan, author of a new book, Paper Promises: Debt, Money and the New World Order, tells Morning Edition’s Renee Montagne.
Coggan, who writes about finance for the Economist magazine, explains that before that time, the U.S. used gold to back the dollar; other countries could exchange their currency for American gold. But when President Nixon went off the gold standard, “essentially you had no limit on the amount of money that could be created and no limit on the amount of debt that could be created.”
The result, he says: asset bubbles.
Debt was used to buy assets, which rose in price and then burst. He points to Black Monday in 1987, when global financial markets crashed and the Dow Jones industrial average fell more than 20 percent. Those same factors, he says, led to the dot-com bubble of the 1990s and the more recent housing bubble. When bubbles burst, central banks stepped in and cut interest rates to keep the system afloat.
“The result of all that was that it was kind of a one-way bet for speculators: Keep borrowing money to keep buying assets; central banks will always bail you out,” Coggan says. “And that’s why we ended up in this mess that we are in … with lots of debts and central banks creating money to try and prop the whole system up.”
Today, governments are trying different approaches to get themselves out of debt.
Greece, for example, is negotiating with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund on a $170 billion bailout to avoid a default in March on its bond repayments. The Associated Press reported Monday that the bailout also depends on talks with private bondholders to forgive more than $131 billion in Greek debt, along with new bonds worth 50 percent less than their original face value.
In the United States, meanwhile, the Federal Reserve launched massive bond-buying programs in 2008 and 2009. It said last week that it will hold its benchmark short-term interest rates near zero at least until late 2014. The Fed has also bought $2 trillion in government bonds and other securities to keep long-term interest rates low.
Coggan is pessimistic that such efforts will work.
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Money as debt or our failure to control debt growth and keep it reasonible in relation to incomes?
Sure, either running out of gold or limiting debt growth would have required that we deal with our trade imbalances 4-5 decades ago. This would have prevented us from consuming the lion’s share of the wealth being created by 2 billion impoverished workers around the world… We would not have been able to support the widening wealth disparity as lower wages would have resulted in falling demand…
I guess we should just think of it this way. It was a heck of a party. The hang over will suck, but it was a heck of a party.
“The hang over will suck, but it was a heck of a party.”
Apparently you never heard of the Hair of the Dog hangover cure. All is well.
The economy A hair of the dog A bit more debt keeps the recovery on track Feb 4th 2012 | WASHINGTON, DC | from the print edition
AFTER three years of stagnant loan growth, The Peoples Bank in Coldwater, Ohio, has noticed a change. Clients who two years ago would not have qualified for a loan now find that they can. One customer who was working for only 35 hours a week two years ago is now working 45 to 50 hours. “That was his reason for coming in: he had steadier income,” says Jack Hartings, president of the seven-branch bank. Since the bank’s main alternative to lending money is buying Treasury bonds that yield only 1%-2%, Mr Hartings is eager to make new loans.
Across the country, bank lending, which shrank almost steadily from early 2009, is growing again (see chart), thanks to modest employment growth, stabilising home prices in many regions, and the Federal Reserve’s Herculean efforts to hold down interest rates.
I also understand tollarance and limitations of the body to handle large amonts of alcohol.
The desire for money is infinate, but the ability to service debt is finite. We have increased household’s share of total debt from 2.8x medain income to 6.5x. At some point, there is a limit. I see no reason to think all the money printing will result in increasing wages, and therfore, I believe debt collapse rather than “infalte away” is the more likely outcome of our failure to attack and reverse trade imbalances.
In other words, “hair of the dog” only works until attempts to push alcohol above sustainable level causes the liver, kidneys and other vital organs to die, followed closely by the rest of the body.
Clients who two years ago would not have qualified for a loan now find that they can. One customer who was working for only 35 hours a week two years ago is now working 45 to 50 hours.
So is is looser lending or are people more “creditworthy”?
What I do know is that I have seen a serious bump in CC offers in my mailbox lately, and my income and debt haven’t changed all that much lately.
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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-02-08 09:24:16
What I do know is that I have seen a serious bump in CC offers in my mailbox lately, and my income and debt haven’t changed all that much lately.
Same here on both counts.
And I’m having a whale of a good time scribbling all over the forms. Then I use the post-paid envelopes to send my “art” back to the credit card companies.
Feb. 8, 2012, 5:33 a.m. EST Greek bailout hopes rise amid ECB concession
ECB ready to exchange Greek bonds at below face value: WSJ
Prospects for Growth in the Year Ahead
By William L. Watts, MarketWatch
FRANKFURT (MarketWatch) — Talks between Greece and international creditors over a second bailout stretched past yet another deadline, but appeared to be moving toward a conclusion Wednesday after the European Central Bank reportedly agreed to exchange Greek government bonds at less than face value in an effort to further reduce the nation’s debt load.
The ECB will exchange government bonds bought in the secondary market last year at a price below face value once debt-restructuring talks with private creditors are successfully concluded, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing unnamed people briefed on the talks.
Under the plan, the ECB would exchange its Greek bonds for bonds issued by the European Financial Stability Facility, the euro zone’s temporary rescue fund. The EFSF would then return the bonds to Greece, which would repay the EFSF at the price which the fund purchased the bonds from the ECB, the report said.
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Remember back before there were McMansions in a bygone era when the actually wealthy (vs wanna bes) built actual mansions? Well one local charity has found a use for this one. The program is called Adopt a Room for Veterans. Friends of mine in Boston did work for homeless Viet Nam vets in the Boston area with the David Mamet play and other fundraisers for shelters in the 90s. I worry we’ll have a similar selection of people who can’t adjust as they return from Afghanistan and Iraq. I hope this idea in Auburn catches on nationwide.
In this photo series you’ll see pictures of rooms already adopted and renovated at first but later in the series you’ll see unfinished rooms and understand how this 30,000 sq foot behemouth had just been laid fallow for years.
“The historic Case Mansion in Auburn has over 30,000 square feet with 65 rooms, including 15 bedrooms. A non-profit ministry is getting people to adopt bedrooms in the mansion and then restore them to provide housing to veterans. The mansion was the home of Theodore Case, inventor of the Movietone sound-on-film system.”
For the past 35 years the mansion was the base for a Presbyterian backed program for mental health care. The mansion was used for residential care for the retarded, as were other facilities managed by Unity House across the state. NYS is reducing funding for residential mental health programs drastically and many hundreds of their dependants are being disbursed into the community, and the facilities closed.
In this photo series you’ll see pictures of rooms already adopted and renovated at first but later in the series you’ll see unfinished rooms and understand how this 30,000 sq foot behemouth had just been laid fallow for years.
“APOLLO BEACH — Bulldozers have started pushing dirt again at Waterset, a huge development in southern Hillsborough County that ultimately could boast 6,700 homes.”
“There’s a new energy building in Apollo Beach that is fueling its progress, attracting new people, and creating a better way to live. It’s called Waterset. Designed on the belief that meaningful connections build a strong community, the families of Waterset will enjoy a spirited life as they engage one another, the nature that surrounds them, and the greater community. A vibrant social life with gathering places for recreation, education, entertainment and shopping. A healthy daily lifestyle as the miles of trails lead in every direction to the lakes and fishing ponds, through the wetlands and parks, stimulating a sense of freedom and adventure, exploration and relaxation. It’s life as you want it. It’s Waterset. Opening this Fall.”
“the families of Waterset will enjoy a spirited life as they engage one another”
LOL! You have NO idea what a euphemism that is. It’ll be spirited all right, just ask some of the folks who have enjoyed a “spirited” life “engaging” some of their thug neighbors in the development across the street.
“A healthy daily lifestyle”. L.M.A.O.!!!! Yep, if you like living in the shadow of the Tampa Electric plant that looms large over everything in the area. Just don’t breathe when you go for a run on those miles of trails, and you’ll be fine. That black stuff that settles on your car? Oh, it’s nothing, just a little dust.
Banks, accelerating efforts to move troubled mortgages off their books, are offering as much as $35,000 or more in cash to delinquent homeowners to sell their properties for less than they owe.
Lenders have routinely delayed or blocked such transactions, known as short sales, in which they accept less from a buyer than the seller’s outstanding loan. Now banks have decided the deals are faster and less costly than foreclosures, which have slowed in response to regulatory probes of abusive practices. Banks are nudging potential sellers by pre-approving deals, streamlining the closing process, forgoing their right to pursue unpaid debt and in some cases providing large cash incentives, said Bill Fricke, senior credit officer for Moody’s Investors Service in New York.
Losses for lenders are about 15 percent lower on the sales than on foreclosures, which can take years to complete while taxes and legal, maintenance and other costs accumulate, according to Moody’s. The deals accounted for 33 percent of financially distressed transactions in November, up from 24 percent a year earlier, said CoreLogic Inc., a Santa Ana, California-based real estate information company.
Realtors are biggest campaign givers to Californians in Congress
By Jim Puzzanghera, Los Angeles Times
February 7, 2012, 4:54 p.m.
Reporting from Washington— The National Assn. of Realtors is the largest campaign contributor to members of Congress from California in recent years, according to a watchdog study that depicts the nation as a sort of United States of Special Interests.
The Realtors group contributed a total of $497,000 to California House members from July 2009 through last June and to the state’s two senators from July 2005 through last June.
Maybe this will put a dent in the D.C housing bubble.
House panel to consider pension contribution hike for federal employees
Federal employees, including members of Congress, would contribute 1.5% more toward their pensions under legislation to be considered Tuesday by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
The bill, introduced by Rep. Dennis Ross, R-Fla., would change the formula for calculating pension benefits to the average of the highest five years of salary from three years and require new hires to contribute 4% of their pay into the Federal Employees Retirement System in order to receive a match in the Federal Thrift Savings Plan.
‘Less than two months after American troops left, the State Department is preparing to slash by as much as half the enormous diplomatic presence it had planned for Iraq, a sharp sign of declining American influence in the country. After the American troops departed in December, life became more difficult for the thousands of diplomats and contractors left behind. Convoys of food that had been escorted by the United States military from Kuwait were delayed at border crossings as Iraqis demanded documentation that the Americans were unaccustomed to providing.’
‘Within days, the salad bar at the embassy dining hall ran low. Sometimes there was no sugar or Splenda for coffee.’
Possibly. Think about this; this is the same US govt that used to bring in pallets of hundred dollar bills to Iraq (and lose them). Now they can’t keep a few cups of Splenda around?
Next thing they’ll tell us there’ll be no Splenda on the Moon Colony.
Think about this; this is the same US govt that used to bring in pallets of hundred dollar bills to Iraq (and lose them).
$9 Billion in palletized cash missing and that’s the amount we know of.
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Comment by measton
2012-02-08 09:00:56
Yes I’m sure if one went through the payrolls for security construction etc you would find a lot of fictional employees. I’d like to audit the banks in Bahrain. My guess is a lot of these pallets never even made it to Iraq.
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-02-08 10:25:48
They must still talk in the Halliburton Inc. Corpoorate hallways in Dubai about that Baghdad Green Zone paint job that has gone mi$$ing.
“Everyone in the conference room, time to brain$torm up some revenue$ idea$”
I could never understand why the word’s largest US embassy needed to be in Iraq. With 16,000 people working there.
Left unanswered: The question of what those 16k people were/are doing. Methinks that many don’t have enough work to fill the day.
Book recommendation: We Meant Well by Peter Van Buren, a State Department insider who saw firsthand how clumsy American rebuilding efforts were in Iraq.
The Iranians must have hired Colin Powell as their chief military adviser.
Iran has capability to hit U.S. forces round world: report
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Iran is capable of hitting U.S. military forces around the world if attacked by the United States, Russia’s Interfax news agency quoted the Iranian ambassador to Moscow as saying on Wednesday.
“The Americans know very well what Iran is like and what our potential is,” Sajjadi was quoted as saying. “Iran is in a very good position to deliver retaliatory strikes on America around the world … An attack on Iran would be suicidal for them.”
Steve J
You’re right. I’ll add they are probably Iranian Jews. We know quite a few. I can tell you their good and bad side, but they are very, and I mean very very loyal to their employees.
If anything, this means that our attack on Iran is imminent and the Iranians are posturing, hoping that it will dissuade us.
But really, how will they “deliver retaliatory strikes on America around the world”? With what fleet? I suppose they could try something crazy, like germ warfare on our shores, but that would just get them nuked, and they know it.
Nice try, but sorry to tell ya, you cannot find x1 repubican anywhere in America or Faux New$ that believes that idea/threat has any validity what$oever. $eriously!
Actually, you do. CONgress has willingly ceded more and more of its responsibilities in order to leave more time for re-election fundraising. And the executive branch, regardless of the President’s party affiliation, has happily and aggressively filled the vacuum.
Prediction: The Constitution and the Bill of Rights will cease to be given even lip service well before the middle of this century, and our transition to the dark side will be complete.
The world’s largest consumer-products company rolled back prices after an 8 percent increase lost the firm 7 percentage points of market share. Kimberly-Clark Corp. started offering coupons on Huggies after resistance to the diapers’ cost.
I’m surprised Kimberly Clark doesn’t coordinate it’s price increases with the two other players.
Companies can’t raise prices because wage growth remains stunted, even though unemployment has started to recede. Average hourly earnings rose 1.9 percent in January from a year earlier, the smallest increase since April, and down from 3.2 percent in 2008 and 3.7 percent in January 2009, the Labor Department said Feb. 3. The jobless rate fell to 8.3 percent in January, the lowest level in three years, compared with a high of 10 percent in October 2009.
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It should be pointed out that workers are also facing dramatic increases in costs, as states decrease services and increase fees, companies pass more medical cost to worker, and most of the inflation that is happening is happening in needs not wants.
“This recovery has not been a great recovery with regard to income gains, and income gains are a function of both growth in wages and jobs,” Jeffrey Rosenberg, the chief investment strategist for fixed-income at BlackRock Inc., the world’s biggest money manager, said in a Feb. 1 interview in New York. “Why can’t you pass price increases through to consumers? It’s because consumers aren’t seeing income gains.”
Our Bum Genius cloth diapers with shell are doing us (and the boy) just fine. That someone would chuck all of those Huggies in a landfill will someday seem like pure insanity. They are cheaper in the long run, not blow-out prone and are more energy efficient throughout the entire life-cycle (H.E. washing machine and line dried).
When my daughter was a freshman 3 years ago her school was charging close to 8K for two semesters of room and board. This year its almost 10K. And non local incoming freshman are required to live on campus. And since UNC is considered “non-local” for Denver, virtually all incoming Freshman have to live on campus.
As of Feb 1, the Fed has $3T it has QEed into existence.
In millions of dollars:
U.S. Treasury securities 1,661,622
Federal agency debt securities (2) 101,498 Mortgage-backed securities (4) 835,847
Etc.
There is a dollar of debt for every dollar the Fed injects.
When the Fed makes overnight loans, it is doing swaps. You owe the bank, the Fed takes the debt and gives the bank money, overnight. Next day, the loan goes back to the bank and the money back to the Fed.
Let me ask this a different way, Darrell.
In the examples that you gave, the Fed is buying debt, but presumably it is debt that is purchased on the secondary markets. In other words, that debt ALREADY existed before the Fed bought it.
Where is the NEW debt corresponding to the dollars injected?
Or to put it a different want: where would the debt be if the Fed created $1T out of thin air and bought gold bars with it?
I think the “all dollars have matching debt” argument is flawed. Maybe it is true in most cases (banks creating dollars through loans), but not true in the case of direct Fed actions.
Doesn’t the Fed inject money into the system by purchasing bonds and lending money to member banks? How else do they distribute it? Last I checked they don’t give it away.
Doesn’t the Fed inject money into the system by purchasing bonds
Yes, they do. But the point is that when they buying these bonds in the secondary markets, the debt ALREADY exists. They are creating dollars, but they are not creating NEW debt in the process. They are instead moving existing debt onto their balance sheets. The total amount of debt in the system is not increased.
This violates the most fundamental assumption behind Darrell’s extensive thesis.
The US Treasury printed $1T of bonds, which the fed bought with money. The government debt offsets the money.
The government spends the money and it ends up in the hands of people. Poeple deposit the money into a bank. The bank uses the money to make $900B worth of loans. $900B new money and debt, so now $1.9T total money.
The people that borrow the money spend it. It ends up in the hands of people. This time, instead of depositing the money into banks, the banks package up the $900B loans into ABS/MBS and sell it to the people that hold the money.
The banks still have $1T in deposits, but no longer have any loans. They could make more loans. The people with money have $1T in bank deposits and $900B ABS/MBS (immediatly spendable and easily convertable to spendable, so all money). The government owes $1T and the people with debt owe $900B.
The Fed decides it wants to force people to do stuff with thier money other than hold ABS/MBS. The Fed buys $900B ABS/MBS. Now the people with money have $1T in bank accounts and $900B cash. The government owes $1T and the people that borrowed money owe $900B.
In short, the Fed buying Treasuries from the government is money creation as it is offset by new government debt. The Feb buying Treasuries or ABS/MBS off the market is not money creation since Treasuries and ABS/MBS are already considered money.
Now, what if the Fed bought Gold instead of “money” in the form of Treasuries or ABS/MBS. Well, the Fed does not do this with money created out of thin air. It sells shares of itself to banks to get money out of the economy, then uses that money to buy gold.
Shares of the Fed are non-transferrable, give no voting rights, and pay no dividends. They exist simply to allow the fed to buy non-money assets without creating money out out of thin air to do so.
A Monopoly game starts with each player getting issued a fixed amount of monopoly money from the “bank”. The rules that come in the box with the game dictate how the money can be used. How well a player budgets and invests his money with randomness (dice) dictating the circumstances of the choices. If you take away the dice, just what differnce is there between the money issued to the monopoly players and that given to welfare recipients by our government? “Their” monopoly money competes directly for the same goods and services with the money I earn with my sweat and sacrifices. Does anybody wonder why a jar of mayo costs eight bucks?
The difference between Monopoly money and US dollars is that there is not debt offsetting the Monopoly money. People don’t need to get Monopoly money for anything. People need to get US dollars to repay the debt that was created when the dollars were borrowed into existence.
You know, when we were on th egold standard, there may not have been inflation, but there was massive economic upheaval. Gold standard was no Garden of Eden.
House committee passes quickie foreclosure bill
by Kim Miller
A bill that would hasten Florida’s foreclosure process while reducing the time banks could pursue a homeowner for loan debt won a tepid approval from the Florida House Economic Affairs Committee this morning.
The proposal, HB 213, is derided by homeowner advocates who fear it will leave borrowers with less defenses against bank repossession. But supporters claim it would only allow quickie foreclosures in cases where homes are abandoned, when the action isn’t challenged, or when a judge rules the homeowner has no legitimate reason to block a bank takeover.
Rep. Kathleen Passidomo, R-Naples, is sponsoring the bill. She defended it Wednesday against critics who claim it takes foreclosures out of the judicial system.
“Firstly, and let me put everyone’s mind at rest and contrary to the e-mails and calls you’ve been getting, this bill is not a non-judicial foreclosure bill,” Passidomo said. “This bill expedites the judicial process while at the same time guaranteeing the rights of citizens.”
Florida’s courts have a backlog of about 368,000 foreclosure cases, according to State Courts Administrator Lisa Goodner, who expects hundreds of thousands of additional cases to add to the log jam in the next few years.
According to a report released Wednesday by real estate analytics firm CoreLogic, nearly 12 percent of Florida’s homes with mortgages are in foreclosure, ranking it tops in the nation for foreclosure inventory. An estimated 17 percent of Florida home loans are 90 days or more behind on payments.
While the committee approved the bill in a 12 to 4 vote, members grilled Passidomo about protections in the bill for homeowners and voiced concerns about how a home would be determined abandoned.
The bill says a process server can determine a home is abandoned if two of a handful of conditions are met, such as windows and doors are boarded up or broken, trash or debris has accumulated, the home is deteriorating and interviews with at least two neighbors indicate the home is abandoned. The court must also contact utilities companies to find out if there is service going to the home.
“It doesn’t say to what level trash or debris needs to have accumulated,” said Rep. Evan Jenne, D-Fort Lauderdale. “I have some folks in my district that if you walked into their house right now there would be a pizza box, a dozen beer bottles and some chip bags.”
Homeowner advocates also oppose a provision that requires a borrower to quickly put up a defense as to why the foreclosure shouldn’t proceed. A judge rule whether the defense is legitimate or not. If not, the judge could immediately enter a final judgment.
“We are concerned about the burden of proof being put on the homeowner,” said Alice Vickers, an attorney with the Consumer Action Network. “It places a homeowner in the position of trying to try a case as if it is a final trial within 20 days of service of process.”
The bill does require banks to have all of their paperwork in order, including information on the note and assignments of mortgage, before a foreclosure is filed. It also would give banks only two years, instead of the current five, to file for a deficiency judgment against the borrower.
Wednesday’s approval sends the proposal to the House Judiciary Committee for a vote. A similar Senate bill, SB 1890, is being sponsored by Sen. Jack Latvala, R-St. Petersburg. His proposal, however, has stalled in the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Man, it seems I’m always doing my part to help the economy.
Screen on my laptop went on the fritz last night. I think I can get it fixed under warranty, but it’s already 4 years old. Ordered a new MacBookPro this morning.
Hope that makes you happy, Darrell. That’s ‘legal tender’ coming out of my savings…and going straight to China….
I hope this is hyperbole and not intended to be literal.
I have repeatedly stated my positions.
First,end free trade, attacking and eliminating the trade imbalances with tariffs on money leaving the country.
Then, only after that is in place, we need to revert to a very steep tax code with 90+% top marginal rate and lots of deductions to encourage those with money to spend it.
I believe I’ve regularly argued against all trade imbalances, both international and domestic.
I liked her a lot, she was a scrapper. Her parent$ & $iblings, as “family” … Wow!, & Yike$!
Sanchez Vicario says $60M in career winnings gone:
3 hours, 15 minutes ago / Yahoo News
“I never doubted that my father would manage my assets in the most efficient and beneficial way,” she wrote.
She retired in 2002, and after “breaking free” of her parents’ influence, “the surprise came. Then, the disappointment. The surprise of finding myself without resources after a career full of successes and therefore winnings.”
She added: “They left me with nothing and I owe the tax authorities.
“How can it be that everything I achieved has vanished, that it does not exist?”
Sanchez Vicario won three French Open titles and the U.S. Open. She added 10 more Grand Slam doubles or mixed doubles titles.
She helped Spain win the Fed Cup five times, and was the first Spanish woman elected to the International Tennis Hall of Fame in 2007.
Really $ad… eyes think eyes related the story of family theft of my Irish uncles estate($750,000) by my cousins, slickered his surviving wife (my aunt) while she was in a rest-a$$ured home.
Referencing an HBB blog acronym: “Poof!”
(still got the stack of 3 years worth of legal lawsuit$ paperwork stacked away, eye’ll have a “laugh, dance & burn ‘em” evening with my adult children one day soon.)
Back from DFW. Uncle passed away last week,services were on Monday-Tuesday. Aunt and Uncle were married 60+ years, did everything together. She’s not looking too good. Another aunt passed late last year.
On the way down, got a call. Oldest daughter’s father in law died sometime Sunday night or Monday morning. Not unexpected, but he has minor kids. No life insurance, can’t get it with pre-existing conditions. Services on Friday.
Also found out yesterday that they are having a memorial for (what’s left of/what they could identify by DNA testing) my sister’s mother in law (killed at the Reno Air Race crash). Aircraft impacted 10 feet in front of their seats. I’m guessing she was up out of her seat, visiting with the “neighbors”….which would be typical. She was the “friendly neighbor” type. Hopefully, it was a “never knew what hit her” sort of thing.
Being in the -fixr”s immediate family isn’t too healthy a place to be right now. It’s getting to the point that I’m thinking “Who died?” when I see a cousin’s name come up on the caller ID.
Note to self: Arrange to have yourself cremated. (Preferably after death)
You don’t want any pallbearers having a heart attack or getting a double hernia schlepping your big azz around.
I know this was posted recently, but I only just got around to watching it.
It’s awesome, must-watch material.
William K. Black pulls no punches. He says exactly what we have been saying here for years. Where are the perp walks? Why are the same failed leaders still leading the failed banks? Why does the government want to whitewash all of the fraud that occurred?
Nothing that he says will shock long-time readers here, but I still found it shocking that he is out saying it in public. I salute him for doing so.
“He says exactly what we have been saying here for years. Where are the perp walks? Why are the same failed leaders still leading the failed banks? Why does the government want to whitewash all of the fraud that occurred?”
My question is, given how long these issues have been known and discussed by some, what would it take to fix them?
And how come the collective will for cleaning up the financial sector’s Wild, Wild West era is waning rather than increasing at the point when the need is growing ever more critical?
OK I`m looking at a house that I looked at back in 2008 in Jupiter Fl. The asking price is $229,000 with a Price Reduced on Realtor.com I won`t be offering that much. Status: Contingency but deal not going through. The house was completed in early 2002 and purchased by who I will call V1 (you figure it out) V1 paid $259,000.00 for the house brand new. I will just show a few of V1`s refis and his LP
Feb-2002 13490/0118 $259,000 WARRANTY DEED CLARK DONALD J &
Type: MTG
Date/Time: 12/23/2003 12:27:01
CFN: 20030787300
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 16353/747
Pages: 6
Consideration: $47,500.00
Party 1: CLARK DONALD J
CLARK KELLIE J
Party 2: WACHOVIA BANK NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Type: MTG
Date/Time: 9/23/2005 08:46:51
CFN: 20050601837
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 19292/1287
Pages: 17
Consideration: $375,000.00
Party 1: CLARK DONALD J
CLARK KELLIE J
Party 2: BANK OF AMERICA NA
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Type: MTG
Date/Time: 11/16/2005 11:13:42
CFN: 20050707060
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 19539/735
Pages: 5
Consideration: $50,000.00
Party 1: CLARK KELLIE J
CLARK DONALD J
Party 2: NATIONAL CITY BANK
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Type: LP
Date/Time: 4/3/2007 12:07:14
CFN: 20070159800
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 21581/409
Pages: 1
Consideration: $0.00
Party 1: WELLS FARGO BANK NA
Party 2: CLARK DONALD J
LOXAHATCHEE PINES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION INC
NATIONAL CITY BANK
CLARK KELLIE J
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Type: D
Date/Time: 8/11/2008 15:06:58
CFN: 20080298772
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 22803/1174
Pages: 4
Consideration: $294,250.00
Party 1: WELLS FARGO BANK NA
Party 2: CALDER RENEE
CALDER GLENN
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Type: LP
Date/Time: 8/23/2010 15:53:28
CFN: 20100313961
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 24029/231
Pages: 1
Consideration: $0.00
Party 1: PNC BANK NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
Party 2: CALDER RENEE M
CALDER GLENN A
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Being a V, V2 gets some goverment cheese to get caught up but alas V2 didn`t stay caught up which is amazing because according to the neighbors V2 had the place rented out. I know I`m shocked too, how could V2 take the cheese not pay and collect rent. Oh wait, we did that story a couple of weeks ago with the lady in the PB Post who was getting the Hardest Hit $ and did it too.
Type: MTG
Date/Time: 1/31/2011 16:43:09
CFN: 20110037272
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 24340/569
Pages: 6
Consideration: $33,643.46
Party 1: CALDER GLENN A
CALDER RENEE M
Party 2: USA SECRETARY HOUSING & URBAN DEVELOPMENT
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Type: LP
Date/Time: 12/13/2011 11:29:04
CFN: 20110462789
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 24903/1443
Pages: 3
Consideration: $0.00
Party 1: NATIONAL CITY MORTGAGE
PNC BANK NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
Party 2: CALDER RENEE M
CALDER SPOUSE
BANK OF AMERICA NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
USA SECRETARY HOUSING & URBAN DEVELOPMENT
LOXAHATCHEE PINES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION INC
MIDLAND FUNDING LLC
CALDER GLENN A
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Anyway this house was built in 2001-2002, bought in early 2002 by V1, refied to the moon, Deadbeated in for a couple of years, taken back by WELLS FARGO, resold at the bargain price of $294,250.00 by V2 (which was probably at least $200k short of what was owed by V1) Rebeated, bailed out by HUD, rented out after that without the mortgage being paid or Super Deadbeated and is now back on the market. The GD house is only 10 years old!
I think I am going to try to buy this house so I can see if late at night I can hear the ghosts of Deadbeats past.
What a fun lens to look through at the bubble: properties instead of victims.
If you added up the total “drag” that this house has been on the economy (due to the losses that it transferred to various bondholders) over the years since its construction, it would total up to a pretty penny, I bet.
I think I smell a great new blog series highlighting the worst-of-the-worst properties and how much they have cost the system…
Not bad Jeth….. I like the soffitted ceiling in the bedroom. Is the EFS Driv-It? Looks like it.
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Comment by jeff saturday
2012-02-09 05:16:02
CBS house with a hip roof. Kinda important to me with termites in South Florida and those days when the winds gust to 160 mph. In Kendall on the outer edge of the eye wall those gable ends didn`t do to well in Andrew. By the Airforce base in Homestead inside the eye wall it looked like Heroshima so it wouldn`t matter. That had to be tornadoes and gusts in excess of 200 mph.
Banking during Roman times was different from modern banking. During the Principate, most banking activities were conducted by private individuals, not by such large banking firms as exist today; almost all moneylenders in the Empire were private individuals because anybody that had any additional capital and wished to lend it out could easily do so.[5]
By the 3rd century, acute currency problems in the Empire drove them into decline.[7] The rich who were in a position to take advantage of the situation became the money-lenders when the ever-increasing tax demands in the last declining days of the Empire crippled and eventually destroyed the peasant class by reducing tenant-farmers to serfdom. It was evident that usury meant exploitation of the poor.[8]
Slick huh? Hip and gable, distressed brick, keystone arch and rowlocks at windows, real masonry chimney, etc. Marginally too large but manageable….. grossly overpriced for sure.
Like tobacco money another big cash infusion to shore up its pension obligations
“California received a guarantee its struggling homeowners would receive around $8 billion in relief, two people familiar with the negotiations said. The state itself would receive around $430 million for foreclosure prevention and other housing efforts.”
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The Wall Street Journal
FEBRUARY 7, 2012, 3:35 P.M. ET
More US states to join foreclosure-abuse deal
Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Arizona and Florida will join a nationwide settlement over foreclosure abuses, officials with direct knowledge say. They will join more than 40 other states in approving a deal to provide relief for many Americans who lost their homes or can’t afford their mortgages.
Formal announcements could come within a week, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss the settlement publicly.
Arizona and Florida’s involvement buoys hopes that a full 50-state deal is imminent.
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Prof, have you heard anything about whether or not Kamala Harris is still holding out? There seems to be a news blackout on the negotiations up and down the state and local reps aren’t talking– not sure if that’s good or bad….
Online Asia Times
Feb 9, 2012
A real guarantor is needed
By Ellen Brown
A foreclosure settlement between five major banks guilty of “robo-signing” and the attorneys general of the 50 states was pending for Monday, February 6; but late last week it was still not clear if all the attorneys would sign. California was to get over half of the US$25 billion in settlement money, and California attorney general Kamala Harris has withstood pressure to settle. As of late Monday, she was among those who had not agreed to the proposal.
That is good. She and the other attorneys general should not sign until a thorough investigation has been conducted. The evidence
to date suggests that “robo-signing” was not a mere technical default or sloppy business practice but was part and parcel of a much larger fraud, the fraud that brought down the whole economy in 2008.
It is not just distressed homeowners but the entire economy that has paid the price, resulting in massive unemployment and a shrunken tax base, throwing state and local governments into insolvency and forcing austerity measures and cutbacks in government services across the nation.
The details of the robo-signing scam were spelled out in my last article (see Robo-signing casts a shadow, Asia Times Online, January 27, 2012. [1] The robo-signing fraud and its implications are expanded on below.
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“of a much larger fraud”, without which we would have not gotten out of the post TechWreck recession of the early 2k0s. Of course, the tech bubble was just a fraud created to get out of the S&L collapse caused recession, which was the fraud used to get out of the junk bond collapse induced slow down, which was a fraud to…..
Perhaps it would have been better had we attacked the trade imbalance and widening wealth disparity back in the 1960s-70s rather than a long series of frauds caused by and causing, unsustainable debt growth to create the new debt/money needed to fund all those trade imbalances.
‘…“of a much larger fraud”, without which we would have not gotten out of the post TechWreck recession of the early 2k0s. Of course, the tech bubble was just a fraud created to get out of the S&L collapse caused recession, which was the fraud used to get out of the junk bond collapse induced slow down, which was a fraud to…’
So 1000 wrongs now make a right?
“which was the fraud used to get out of the junk bond collapse induced slow down, which was a fraud to…..”
$ounds like Froad-Jumping to me.
He who leap$ last is it!
It’s I love Lucy & pay phones & Kodak Instamatic’s
Or
843 (mostly crap) $atellite/Cable channels & $mart phones that can’t even print pictures
There’s no going back. We grow $lower, but maybe we can grow $marter, only time will tell, ihho
“So 1000 wrongs now make a right?”
How do you get that from, “Perhaps it would have been better had we attacked the trade imbalance and widening wealth disparity back in the 1960s-70s rather than a long series of frauds caused by and causing, unsustainable debt growth to create the new debt/money needed to fund all those trade imbalances.”
I don’t view the housing bubble as an isolated incident, but rather the latest bubble in a series of bubbles .
I do not believe that letting this bubble collapse, and replace it with yet another bubble is the a poor idea.
I’d like to attack the root causes of the problems rather than just replacing the bandages on the gaping wound.
Or, in more plain terms, end free trade, revert to a 1950s style tax code, allow much of the existing debt to collapse, etc. etc.
from the article
That is where the robo-signing came in. Foreclosure defense attorneys armed with the tools of discovery have discovered that robo-signing - involving falsified signatures assigning mortgages back to the trusts allegedly owning them - occurred not just occasionally or randomly but in virtually every case. Why? Because the mortgages had to be left free to be bought and sold on a daily basis in the money market by investors. The investors are not interested in making 30-year loans. They want something short-term with immediate rights of withdrawal like a deposit account.
We could be looking at another banking collapse at any time; and to fix the problem, we first need to know what is going on. The attorneys general should not agree to drop the curtain on the robo-signing scandal until all the evidence is on the table. It is not just a matter of punishing the guilty; it is a matter of a banking scheme based on fraud, one that ultimately does not work and has jeopardized the homes, savings and investments of the public not just recently but for hundreds of years.
Exactly what I was saying when the robo-signing scandal first blew up, and most everyone here (with a few exceptions) was saying it was all just a stupid delaying tactic, and we should ignore it and get those damn ‘deadbeats’ out of their houses. And I was saying it was the key to the whole thing, as it’s proving to be.
Right, Jeff?
O-oh, MERSy, MERSy me…
You Make Me Feel Like A Natural Woman Lyrics
Artist(Band):Aretha Franklin
Looking out on the morning rain
I used to feel so uninspired
And when I thought I`d have rent to pay
Lord, it made me feel so tired
Before the day I met you, life was so unkind
But you’re the key to my peace of mind
Cause you make me feel, you make me feel, you make me feel like
A Robo signed victim
When my house was upside down
On who could I blame it
The refi cash is gone you see
But you helped me name it
Now I’m no longer doubtful, this house belongs to me
I don`t have to pay and it`s mine for free
Cause you make me feel, you make me feel, you make me feel like
A Robo signed victim
Oh, baby, what you’ve done to me
You make me feel so good inside
And now I`ll get my house for free
You make me feel so alive
You make me feel, you make me feel, you make me feel like A Robo signed victim
“Yes, we should always remember to forget about the crimes of the banksters, and keep the focus on the little people involved.”
Go ahead and put the banksters in jail if you can find any politician that will allow it. But don`t forget about the “little people” who took out $trillions in cash out refis. They don`t have to go to jail but a rental would be nice.
Jeff, IIRC, Carole King wrote that song. Give credit where it’s due.
Jeff, IIRC, Carole King wrote that song. Give credit where it’s due.
Indeed she did. It was one of her earliest hits.
BTW, Carole King is pushing 70 and is still performing. She can’t hit the high notes the way she once did, but she still plays a solid keyboard and sings well.
‘…and we should ignore it and get those damn ‘deadbeats’ out of their houses.’
Yepper$,
That and the fact that it happen to coincide with the di$covery that Linda-The-Lunch-Lady-was-$uddenly-found-to-be-Living-Lavi$hly!
In the $potlight: peons
In the $hadows: Geniuses-of-the-Moment
(runnin’ as fast & far as their monie$ can take ‘em)
We have massive unemployment now because we employed millions pf people building houses and malls that we didn’t need. Like Ben reminds often; we had a mania, when are they going to talk about that?
Yes, we should always remember to forget about the crimes of the banksters, and keep the focus on the little people involved.
And if we had not employeed them building too many houses for half a decade then what? Our long-term unemployed would have been out of work for 12 years instead of 4-5 years?
Somehow I doubt we would heve been any more willing to end freetrade and reverse widening wealth disparity a decade ago than we are today.
When pigs fly?
“we had a mania”
heheeheeeheheeeheeheeehee
Just goes to show ya how much more $marter all the other $overeign Nations are than the good ol’ U$A!
“forget about the crimes of the banksters”
I suggest nothing of the sort. They are predators and played on our weak mindedness. Putting them in jail however will not make us wise. Blaming them for the mania, makes you feel smart, but it’s just a feeling.
Blaming them for the mania, makes you feel smart, but it’s just a feeling.
Everything is just a feeling. And I don’t blame only the banksters for the ‘mania’. One could well argue that no one is responsible for a true mania, or that almost everyone is responsible. But so-called professional bankers should be among the first (along with their regulators) to be held responsible for a financial meltdown caused by and/or facilitated by their actions as banking professionals. Trying to excuse or ignore their behavior by always switching blame to the deadbeats strikes me as not a rational way to look at things, or apportion blame, if we hope to ensure we don’t repeat our mistakes.
But it does strike me as a good way for the banksters to get off Scott-free.
It remains that we did not have an epic housing bubble because there were facilitators. We love a ponzi scheme.
The bankers don’t have to be responsible for the mania in order to be responsible for the fraud and the negligence.
You are right Al. They didn’t convince us that we should pay too much for houses though, or that we should buy ten and we would get rich. The ponzi did not collapse because or bank fraud, it collapsed because it was a ponzi.
Sort of like: Ticks don’t help, but they don’t make the dog.
If you don’t think the bankstas engineered this mess from top to bottom, you better think again.
“If you don’t think the bankstas engineered this mess from top to bottom, you better think again.”
The claim is that nobody, not even those presumed to have an omniscient perspective on the global banking system, could have seen it coming.
Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise, and in particular, to show this financial crisis was engineered from the top for profit?
Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise, and in particular, to show this financial crisis was engineered from the top for profit?
In Somalia back in Clinton’s day the claim was that U.N. food convoys were being hijacked, and everywhere one looked their were starving “stick” people. There were also some who looked well fed.
Now the average Joe could probably finger the culprits, but the diplomatic envoys were not sure where to start looking for answers. I’m sure our resident legal expert could probably explain how profiling is against international law, and we didn’t have the resources or the time to figure out who was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt unless a very well funded cost authority was available.
The Marine Corps have a saying that ends with, …and let God sort ‘em out.
one looked their were starving
edit: their –> there
I forgot to say, “not sharing food might be evil, but it isn’t against the law.”
Why the AGs Must Not Settle: Robo-signing Is Just the Tip of the Iceberg
by Ellen Hodgson Brown / February 6th, 2012
A foreclosure settlement between five major banks guilty of “robo-signing” and the attorneys general of the 50 states is pending for Monday, February 6th, but it is still not clear if all the AGs will sign. California was to get over half of the $25 billion in settlement money, and California AG Kamala Harris has withstood pressure to settle.
That is good. She and the other AGs should not sign until a thorough investigation has been conducted. The evidence to date suggests that “robo-signing” was not a mere technical default or sloppy business practice but was part and parcel of a much larger fraud, the fraud that brought down the whole economy in 2008. It is not just distressed homeowners but the entire economy that has paid the price, resulting in massive unemployment and a shrunken tax base, throwing state and local governments into insolvency and forcing austerity measures and cutbacks in government services across the nation.
Why All the Robo-signing?
That is where the robo-signing came in. Foreclosure defense attorneys armed with the tools of discovery have discovered that robo-signing — involving falsified signatures assigning mortgages back to the trusts allegedly owning them — occurred not just occasionally or randomly but in virtually every case. Why? Because the mortgages had to be left free to be bought and sold on a daily basis in the money market by investors. The investors are not interested in making 30 year loans. They want something short-term with immediate rights of withdrawal like a deposit account.
The Hazards of Borrowing Short to Lend Long
The problem is that when panicked investors all exercise that right at once, there is no cheap funding available to back the 30 year mortgage loans, rendering the banks insolvent. And that is what happened on September 15, 2008, when Lehman Brothers, a major investment bank like Bear Stearns, went bankrupt.
Weren’t you telling us the robo-signing thing was just a stupid delay tactic for deadbeats, and that we should ignore it and get the deadbeats out!
And you were irate with me for saying that robo-signing was the tip of the iceberg, and that if we give the banksters a pass on it, then we can’t complain that they were never investigated properly?
Yes, I think you were.
Robo-signing was forgery and fraud, pure and simple. The fact that Republicrat AGs are giving the banksters yet another slap on the wrist for systemic criminality speaks volumes about them, and about how profoundly perverted the rule of law has become in America.
“Weren’t you telling us the robo-signing thing was just a stupid delay tactic for deadbeats,”
Deadbeats who GLADLY took the refi money were not concerned with anything legal or illegal when they got the BIG money. They were not even a little bit concerned about what their loan applications said their income was because after all, realestate only goes up. They were masters of the universe and were brilliant people who bought houses in 1995 at price levels that would never be seen again.
Deadbeats did not care if mortgages had to be left free to be bought and sold on a daily basis in the money market by investors when they got the loans. They only cared when their realestate “investments” lost value and they were underwater with no chance of ever paying the loan back without being able to sell to a bigger idiot.
As far as a “stupid delay tactic for deadbeats” it`s obvously a great delay tactic for Deadbeats. But they are still Deadbeats.
it`s obvously a great delay tactic for Deadbeats. But they are still Deadbeats.
But it’s a good thing we didn’t ignore it, if we ever hope to get to the bottom of what really happened in this whole mess. And if we want to ensure that our centuries-old, tried-and-proven system of real estate ownership and conveyance hasn’t effectively been destroyed, in the interest of deregulation.
In other words, it’s a good thing we didn’t listen to what you were saying, and investigated it anyway. It’s never a good idea to bum-rush the truth.
“It’s never a good idea to bum-rush the truth.”
Perhaps that is my problem. 8 years does not seem like a bum-rush to the truth. But maybe it is.
There will ALWAYS be plenty of people willing to borrow their way to the poor house. There will ALWAYS be RE agents willing to lie to make a sale. Since those factors are constants, they can’t explain the bubble.
“it’s a good thing we didn’t listen to what you were saying, and investigated it anyway.”
I didn`t know you investigated it. Congradulations! You did a great job, I didn`t know how to investigate the Robo signing. The only thing I could do was find hundreds of victims who combined took out millions of dollars in “equity” that they couldn`t or didn`t pay back which evidently was because they were Robo signed?
FBs blaming Robo Signing is like a gambling addict raising hell with the casino for giving him counterfeit chips after he loses them all at the Roulette table. Yes, the chips were fakes, but he lost all his bets anyway so what difference does it make? The Casino should be investigated for the chip-counterfeiting problem but that is a totally separate issue. There would be no Robo-signing complaints if the bubble were still going strong (how horrible would that be? The real estate bubble was probably the most ugly era of disgusting greed I have witnessed in my 45 years), only when things go poorly for folks do they start desperately grasping for someone else to blame.
ladies and gentlemen, we have a scapegoat!
Robo-signing was pretty much a faceless and victimless crime. It is the perfect cover. No bankers are going to jail. No deadbeats will get free houses. Meanwhile, transfer of money and power to the money-power centers continues uncriticized. ZIRP to infinity.
There have been hundreds of indictments already.
Simply goolge “robo signing indictments”
Jail time? Still too soon for prosecution to be finished.
I wonder if the county clerks are going to sue in a class action. Hell all the munis could join in something like that, any entity that relies on filing fees.
I wonder if the county clerks are going to sue in a class action. Hell all the munis could join in something like that, any entity that relies on filing fees.
In my county, the County Clerk is in charge of elections. The County Recorder would be the one who’d be skeeved about losing out on property deed recording fees.
And, wouldn’t you know it, the clerks/recorders/whatever have a national organization. I’ll bet that losing out of the aforementioned fees is a hot topic at their annual conventions.
The two functions are combined here but I meant it generically anyway. There is also the Clerk of District Court.
“local reps aren’t talking– not sure if that’s good or bad….”
Bad. That’s always a bad sign, IMO. Although maybe Cali is different. In Florida, political silence from a buncha folks who get moist with delight at the sound of their own voices is a sign to the populace that they’re about to receive a royal screwing. But that’s Florida.
+1.
More states to join foreclosure-abuse deal
February 08, 2012, 05:00 AM
By Derek Kravitz The Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Arizona, Michigan and Florida, three of the states hit hardest by the housing crisis, will join a nationwide settlement over foreclosure abuses, officials with direct knowledge say.
They will join more than 40 other states in approving a deal that would benefit many Americans who lost their homes or can’t afford their mortgages.
The three states’ involvement buoys hopes that a full 50-state deal is imminent.
Formal announcements from Arizona and Florida could come within a week, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss the settlement publicly.
Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne said he first wants to resolve a separate foreclosure-related lawsuit his state filed against Bank of America.
Florida officials say they are still in discussions. Attorney General Pam Bondi “remains engaged in the settlement discussions in order to ensure that Floridians receive their fair share in the agreement,” she said in a statement. Other officials said Florida intends to back the deal.
Michigan announced Tuesday it would join the settlement. Officials said the state would receive about $500 million in aid.
Michigan officials also said they would continue a criminal investigation into Docx, a unit of Lender Processing Services of Jacksonville, Fla. The company is accused of using fake signatures on phony foreclosure documents. Missouri filed criminal charges against the firm and its founder Friday, saying it falsified 68 notarized deeds on behalf of mortgage lenders.
The nationwide settlement stems from abuses that occurred after the housing bubble burst. Many companies that process foreclosures failed to verify documents. Some employees signed papers they hadn’t read or used fake signatures to speed foreclosures — an action known as robo-signing.
The deal would be the biggest involving a single industry since a 1998 multistate tobacco deal. It would force the five largest mortgage lenders to reduce loans for about 1 million households. The reduced loans would benefit homeowners who are behind on their payments and owe more than their homes are worth.
The lenders would also send checks for about $2,000 to hundreds of thousands of people who lost homes to foreclosure.
Five major states — California, Delaware, Massachusetts, New York and Nevada — are still considering whether to join the settlement. Massachusetts, which filed its own lawsuit against the five major lenders in December over deceptive foreclosure practices, has been quiet about its thinking.
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Noone mentions that this is taxpayer money, and that it is a very small fraction of what the Fed is taking out of our hides and giving to the banks.
The one thing you always *have* to remember in all of these messes, is that the banks won’t sign on to agreements like this unless they get a good deal. So, if you are a State AG and you think you are getting something good out of it, but the banks are very willing to sign on, then you can be absolutely sure that there is wrong doing that you don’t know about yet. Now, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t sign. Most state AGs don’t have the time or the money or the resources to find the hidden wrong doing that the banks are trying to get out of. Most of them. A few like CA and NY and maybe Del (very expert at corporate law) might, but the rest don’t.
There was a little video thing on the NY Times yesterday about a first criminal action being filed, that might blow this thing open. I’ll keep an eye on it. Bear, you might want to follow Gretchen Morgenson for the next few days.
And here is an article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/07/business/docx-faces-foreclosure-fraud-charges-in-missouri.html?ref=gretchenmorgenson
Please, note that it is a servicing company separate from the banks. Plausible deniability for the real top hot shots as I have been pointing out.
If the banks gave firms like DocX excel spreadsheets, and they or LPS presented signed paperwork to the courts, can the banks or servicers plead ignorance of the fraud?
Plausible deniability for the real top hot shots as I have been pointing out.
Fire-walling the fraud. Brilliant… and evil.
Depends on the details. Cases depend on exact facts and the minute details of the criminal code sections (and subsequent interpretation) being used. No way to know yet.
IMplausible deniability, I say.
“Fire-walling the fraud. Brilliant… and evil.”
Eyes been tell’in ya,…they’re $mart! & adults! & know how to behave! & just leave ‘em to their own $elf-regulated Bidne$$ activitie$ why don’t ya!
I think the investment banks orchestrated the whole thing, and yet have the most firewalled position:
1) They encouraged the loan originators to generate liars loans, which they purchased.
2) They encouraged the ratings agencies to put an AAA stamp on the bad loans they pooled.
3) They encouraged the politicians to adjust the laws and influence regulators so all this could continue unmolested.
They were nothing but hapless middlemen caught between the malfeasance of the loan originators and ratings agencies, and the fecklessness of politicians. What’s a poor I-Banker to do?
They were merely the “market makers” as Blankfein testified during the ABACUS hearing, and collected handsome fees and commissions from the ponzi scheme. And as Fabrice Tourre said, they will be the ones who will remain standing in the rubble of the deals.
Brilliant. And evil. All legal. The classical Mafia must be absolutely green with envy.
What does “reduce the loans” mean? Are they reducing the interest rate or reducing the principal?
What does “reduce the loans” mean? Are they reducing the interest rate or reducing the principal?
My guess is that it will be a token reduction in the monthly payment, but no reduction in the principal. Which means that it’s the time to cue up Nancy Sinatra singing “These Boots are Made for Walking.”
..In this case, I think it means that they’re making a gravy from the stock….
My guess is that it will be a token reduction in the monthly payment, but no reduction in the principal.
I thought they were talking about real principal reduction, this time around.
As we have talked about many years back, principal reductions can make good sense for a lender, if the losses due to the reduction are less than the losses due to a foreclosure.
The irony here is that the big-5 banks are getting to do what makes business sense, and they are getting credit for it as part of this settlement. In other words, they are having to pay a “huge penalty” largely to themselves.
Classic lawyer tactic. If you can limit your client’s “penalty” to something they would have done anyway (eventually) you win. Also, remember that most of these loans are NOT owned directly by the banks. They are the servicers. If they can get a court to order them to reduce the principle, then they have a very good defense if by some miracle the owners of the bonds can get together to bring suit against them for doing the principle reduction which might not fulfill their duty to follow generally accepted business practices. Use the government as a lawsuit block on their responsibility under the servicing contract.
It is kind of brilliant from a lawyer’s perspective.
the big-5 banks are getting to do what makes business sense, and they are getting credit for it as part of this settlement. In other words, they are having to pay a “huge penalty” largely to themselves.
And they get to blame it on the deadbeats. Win-win!
And as Yves over at Naked Capitalism has pointed out, it looks like the banks can get partial credit for lowering principal on the first leins that the service to preserve the second leins which they own. So that would be a BIG win for them.
I don’t think I was completely aware before yesterday that the banks really do own a lot of the second liens. I don’t know if they are going to reduce the firsts so much that the seconds actually have some value, but if they could, that would be epic from their standpoint.
And it really explains the whole “not rushing to foreclosure” thing with no need to resort to any kind of conspiracy theory or collusion or anything like that. If you foreclose on a property that is underwater on the first lien, the second becomes instantly worthless and becomes an instant loss if they have been carrying it as worth anything at all. Their interest (put off taking the loss as long as they can in case something/anything happens) is in direct conflict with the interests of the bond holders (get it foreclosed and sold as quickly as possible before it looses even more value). I don’t know how many have second liens on houses in which they are the servicers for the primary, but it is a pretty big deal as far as incentives go. Bigger than just losing the stream of payments for being the servicer. It explains why they might drag their feet even if the servicing agreement doesn’t pay them when the loan holder stops paying.
even if the servicing agreement doesn’t pay them when the loan holder stops paying.
My understanding is that generally the servicing agreement pays them MORE for a loan that is in default, based on the theory that they have to expend extra effort with notifications, inspections, etc etc.
So they win on both fronts: increased servicing payments for a longer period of time, in addition to the delay in recognizing their losses on seconds.
And now if they can use the settlement to reduce the first while maintaining their second, that is a MASSIVE giveaway to the banks.
And now if they can use the settlement to reduce the first while maintaining their second, that is a MASSIVE giveaway to the banks.
And I’m sure that the Occupy movement will weigh in with their thoughts on the subject.
Hey it ain’t fair what about MY principle reduction on my CC??
Ok tax refund time bought a Lenovo windows 7 6GB 1TB for $379 at staples yesterday… now the big decision should i get a mac mini or spring for the extra $$ and get a mac laptop?
I have a old G4 power pc 12″ laptop that works fine wireless, but it cant be upgraded past 10.5.8 and flash streaming sites like stickam doesn’t work I have digital performer 7.2 works fine and hooked up to a 23″ monitor…and just need to install final cut on a newer machine…
Or get the mac mini and an ipad?
yeah sold some dj records and lighting to a newbie dj..
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I thought they were talking about real principal reduction, this time around.
Prof, have you heard anything about whether or not Kamala Harris is still holding out? There seems to be a news blackout on the negotiations up and down the state and local reps aren’t talking– not sure if that’s good or bad….
Slim checking in from Tucson. According to this Arizona Daily Star article, Harris is still a holdout. From the article:
“Even if Arizona joins, there may be other holdouts. Last month, California Attorney General Kamala Harris called the deal inadequate.
California and other states negotiate $25 billion deal for homeowners
By Nelson D. Schwartz and Shaila Dewan
New York Times
Posted: 02/08/2012 07:20:08 PM PST
More than 2 million homeowners in California and other states could benefit from at least $25 billion in relief from the nation’s biggest banks as part of a broad government settlement to be announced as early as Thursday, according to state and federal authorities. It is the latest effort by the government to halt the housing market’s downward slide.
Despite the billions of dollars earmarked in the accord, the aid will help a relatively small portion of the millions of borrowers who are delinquent and facing foreclosure. The success could depend in part on how well the program is implemented because earlier efforts by Washington to help troubled borrowers aided far fewer than had been expected.
Still, the agreement is the broadest effort yet to help borrowers owing more than their houses are worth, with about 1 million expected to have their mortgage debt reduced by lenders. In addition, 300,000 homeowners are expected to be able to refinance their homes at lower rates, while an additional 750,000 people who lost their homes to foreclosure from September 2008 to the end of 2011 will receive checks for about $2,000.
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No jail time for any of the money bankers, laws broken it does not matter. They always knew “before” no one goes to jail and settle any mishaps with money, fines was always built in the system.We are all seeing this happened now! DISGRACEFUL
Europe’s Debt Crisis
Greece facing ‘dramatic dilemma’
Ben Rooney @CNNMoneyMarkets February 7, 2012: 3:14 PM ET
Greek Prime Minister Lucas Papademos meets with officials from the nation’s main political parties to hammer out reforms needed to secure more bailout money.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Officials in Greece are under pressure to reach agreement on more austerity measures, as the threat of a default hangs over the country and protestors take to the streets.
Prime Minister Lucas Papademos and the leaders of Greece’s governing coalition need to hammer out the details of a package of job and salary cuts, as well as pension reforms and other measures to reduce public spending.
Papademos was set to meet with party leaders Tuesday evening, but talks have now been pushed back to Wednesday, according to the Prime Ministers office.
It was the second delay since the leaders agreed Sunday on the “main elements” of the program, including a plan to reduce public spending by 1.5% of gross domestic output this year.
Meanwhile, Greek labor unions held a daylong strike Tuesday to protest the reforms, which they see as being foisted on them by foreign creditors.
The reforms are needed for Greece to receive a second bailout worth €130 billion from the European Union, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank.
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Good. Lawd. A’mighty. How much longer can this go on?
I suspect Wall Street gunslingers are somehow making a bundle off Greece’s ride along the knife edge: Armageddon risk on, Armageddon risk off, lather, rinse, repeat. The Eurozone debt crisis is a veritable volatility blender, creating fantastic gambling opportunities for too-big-to-fail (aka systemically risky) banks who can play both sides of the doomsday trade. Hence my guess is that it will continue for “longer than expected.”
Greece stays in play as futures edge higher
By Chuck Mikolajczak
NEW YORK | Wed Feb 8, 2012 8:15am EST
(Reuters) - Stock index futures edged higher on Wednesday as leaders in Greece again attempted to reach a deal on reforms in exchange for a new bailout.
The recent delays stirred European Union officials to warn Greece that the euro zone could continue without the fiscally troubled nation, which needs a rescue package to avoid an unruly default.
“The anticipation is that they are going to work out the Greek problem one way or the other here. Then we are probably going to have to face Portugal down the road, and we will probably have to face Greece again down the road, depending on how they deal with it,” said Paul Mendelsohn, chief investment strategist at Windham Financial Services in Charlotte, Vermont.
“The issue is, are you going to have a Lehman-type financial crisis, and the market’s take on that so far is probably not.”
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I suspect that Germany on the whole is benefiting by Greece’s ride on the bloody edge. A strong Euro is death for exports.
Exactly. Germany gets to have its cake and eat it too. They oppose ‘euro-bonds’, so Germany still gets to borrow money at extremely low rates, while the euro stays cheap thanks to the troubles with the PIIGS, thus helping German exports.
And they get to blame it all on someone else- for being lazy deadbeats. Win-win!
And they get to blame it all on someone else- for being lazy deadbeats. Win-win!
Speaking as someone who is partly of German descent, I can tell you that in the Teutonic brain, laziness does not compute. Instead, you are to work, work, work, and work.
In short, we’re not very good at hanging out. Or being laid back.
In-laws are german and swiss. The hardest working people I’ve ever known.
My German grandmother swept the curb in front of her house every day. Not the sidewalk, the street side. Didn’t want to appear lazy and sloppy.
I was thinking about the whole free trade thing, and the near religious belief that many of us have in the benefits of free trade. Ever since I was a kid, throughout my schooling, never once did I hear anything other than free trade was the Holy Grail of economics.
Why would this be? For 30 years after World War II, international trade was completely to the US’s benefit, like it is to Germany’s benefit in Europe. Creates a long-lasting belief in its efficacy, much like the belief in housing was created.
It’s benefits are just unquestioned. Takes a long time to break a society of a Pavlovian response I guess. Especially of a Pavlovian response which once worked consistently.
my wife use to do alot of international travel for work.
the germans are at the top of the list…but american’s are number one.
anecdotal and limited to the consulting/accounting industry.
my wife use to do alot of international travel for work.
the germans are at the top of the list…but american’s are number one.
And which list would that be? Workaholism?
Germans get a lot of vacation time and a lot of holidays.
Americans and Japanese get the least in the entire world.
I agree Palmy…It gets to where you are numb to the most recent news cycle…
Someone has to tell the middle class they have to work to age 69 and the rich that they have to pay their fair share of taxes.
The same problems we have BTW, plus an out of control health care sector.
“Someone has to tell the middle class they have to work to age 69 “
I’m OK with that as long as I am healthy enough to work and as long as my employer ( or any employer) continues to pay me. The next time I get laid off may be the last time I am able to get paying work. And after 60, health insurance becomes very expensive if you are not part of a group plan.
Now, where are the jobs going to come from for my children when us middle class folks are working an extra 4 or more years?
Amid Debt Crisis, A Trail Of Broken ‘Promises’
by NPR Staff
Listen to the Story
Morning Edition
[4 min 20 sec]
February 7, 2012
Financial writer Philip Coggan traces the current global financial crisis to the 1970s, when the U.S. went off the gold standard.
“Up till then, every form of money had some link to precious metal: gold or silver,” Coggan, author of a new book, Paper Promises: Debt, Money and the New World Order, tells Morning Edition’s Renee Montagne.
Coggan, who writes about finance for the Economist magazine, explains that before that time, the U.S. used gold to back the dollar; other countries could exchange their currency for American gold. But when President Nixon went off the gold standard, “essentially you had no limit on the amount of money that could be created and no limit on the amount of debt that could be created.”
The result, he says: asset bubbles.
Debt was used to buy assets, which rose in price and then burst. He points to Black Monday in 1987, when global financial markets crashed and the Dow Jones industrial average fell more than 20 percent. Those same factors, he says, led to the dot-com bubble of the 1990s and the more recent housing bubble. When bubbles burst, central banks stepped in and cut interest rates to keep the system afloat.
“The result of all that was that it was kind of a one-way bet for speculators: Keep borrowing money to keep buying assets; central banks will always bail you out,” Coggan says. “And that’s why we ended up in this mess that we are in … with lots of debts and central banks creating money to try and prop the whole system up.”
Today, governments are trying different approaches to get themselves out of debt.
Greece, for example, is negotiating with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund on a $170 billion bailout to avoid a default in March on its bond repayments. The Associated Press reported Monday that the bailout also depends on talks with private bondholders to forgive more than $131 billion in Greek debt, along with new bonds worth 50 percent less than their original face value.
In the United States, meanwhile, the Federal Reserve launched massive bond-buying programs in 2008 and 2009. It said last week that it will hold its benchmark short-term interest rates near zero at least until late 2014. The Fed has also bought $2 trillion in government bonds and other securities to keep long-term interest rates low.
Coggan is pessimistic that such efforts will work.
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But, which is the problem?
Money as debt or our failure to control debt growth and keep it reasonible in relation to incomes?
Sure, either running out of gold or limiting debt growth would have required that we deal with our trade imbalances 4-5 decades ago. This would have prevented us from consuming the lion’s share of the wealth being created by 2 billion impoverished workers around the world… We would not have been able to support the widening wealth disparity as lower wages would have resulted in falling demand…
I guess we should just think of it this way. It was a heck of a party. The hang over will suck, but it was a heck of a party.
“The hang over will suck, but it was a heck of a party.”
Apparently you never heard of the Hair of the Dog hangover cure. All is well.
The economy
A hair of the dog
A bit more debt keeps the recovery on track
Feb 4th 2012 | WASHINGTON, DC | from the print edition
AFTER three years of stagnant loan growth, The Peoples Bank in Coldwater, Ohio, has noticed a change. Clients who two years ago would not have qualified for a loan now find that they can. One customer who was working for only 35 hours a week two years ago is now working 45 to 50 hours. “That was his reason for coming in: he had steadier income,” says Jack Hartings, president of the seven-branch bank. Since the bank’s main alternative to lending money is buying Treasury bonds that yield only 1%-2%, Mr Hartings is eager to make new loans.
Across the country, bank lending, which shrank almost steadily from early 2009, is growing again (see chart), thanks to modest employment growth, stabilising home prices in many regions, and the Federal Reserve’s Herculean efforts to hold down interest rates.
This is helping.
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I understand the hair of the dog approach.
I also understand tollarance and limitations of the body to handle large amonts of alcohol.
The desire for money is infinate, but the ability to service debt is finite. We have increased household’s share of total debt from 2.8x medain income to 6.5x. At some point, there is a limit. I see no reason to think all the money printing will result in increasing wages, and therfore, I believe debt collapse rather than “infalte away” is the more likely outcome of our failure to attack and reverse trade imbalances.
In other words, “hair of the dog” only works until attempts to push alcohol above sustainable level causes the liver, kidneys and other vital organs to die, followed closely by the rest of the body.
Clients who two years ago would not have qualified for a loan now find that they can. One customer who was working for only 35 hours a week two years ago is now working 45 to 50 hours.
So is is looser lending or are people more “creditworthy”?
What I do know is that I have seen a serious bump in CC offers in my mailbox lately, and my income and debt haven’t changed all that much lately.
What I do know is that I have seen a serious bump in CC offers in my mailbox lately, and my income and debt haven’t changed all that much lately.
Same here on both counts.
And I’m having a whale of a good time scribbling all over the forms. Then I use the post-paid envelopes to send my “art” back to the credit card companies.
So there.
Slim,
http://www.optoutprescreen.com
It works.
Note to self: Send ASlim a pack of Sharpies in various colorful hues. So she can demonstrate her artistic talents to the CC companies….
I guess we should just think of it this way. It was a heck of a party. The hang over will suck, but it was a heck of a party.
For the partiers, yes. For the clean up crew waiting for it to end so they could get to work, not so much.
“our failure to control debt growth and keep it reasonible in relation to incomes?”
Good thing all Global $overeign Nation events & our reactions to them, can be planned ahead of time!
Cheney-$hrub $hadow Legacy Event # 9:
“They’ll be greetin’ us like conquering heroes within 90 days,…”
Feb. 8, 2012, 5:33 a.m. EST
Greek bailout hopes rise amid ECB concession
ECB ready to exchange Greek bonds at below face value: WSJ
Prospects for Growth in the Year Ahead
By William L. Watts, MarketWatch
FRANKFURT (MarketWatch) — Talks between Greece and international creditors over a second bailout stretched past yet another deadline, but appeared to be moving toward a conclusion Wednesday after the European Central Bank reportedly agreed to exchange Greek government bonds at less than face value in an effort to further reduce the nation’s debt load.
The ECB will exchange government bonds bought in the secondary market last year at a price below face value once debt-restructuring talks with private creditors are successfully concluded, The Wall Street Journal reported, citing unnamed people briefed on the talks.
Under the plan, the ECB would exchange its Greek bonds for bonds issued by the European Financial Stability Facility, the euro zone’s temporary rescue fund. The EFSF would then return the bonds to Greece, which would repay the EFSF at the price which the fund purchased the bonds from the ECB, the report said.
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Remember back before there were McMansions in a bygone era when the actually wealthy (vs wanna bes) built actual mansions? Well one local charity has found a use for this one. The program is called Adopt a Room for Veterans. Friends of mine in Boston did work for homeless Viet Nam vets in the Boston area with the David Mamet play and other fundraisers for shelters in the 90s. I worry we’ll have a similar selection of people who can’t adjust as they return from Afghanistan and Iraq. I hope this idea in Auburn catches on nationwide.
http://photos.syracuse.com/post-standard/2012/02/adopt_a_room_for_veterans_at_c_1.html
In this photo series you’ll see pictures of rooms already adopted and renovated at first but later in the series you’ll see unfinished rooms and understand how this 30,000 sq foot behemouth had just been laid fallow for years.
“The historic Case Mansion in Auburn has over 30,000 square feet with 65 rooms, including 15 bedrooms. A non-profit ministry is getting people to adopt bedrooms in the mansion and then restore them to provide housing to veterans. The mansion was the home of Theodore Case, inventor of the Movietone sound-on-film system.”
For the past 35 years the mansion was the base for a Presbyterian backed program for mental health care. The mansion was used for residential care for the retarded, as were other facilities managed by Unity House across the state. NYS is reducing funding for residential mental health programs drastically and many hundreds of their dependants are being disbursed into the community, and the facilities closed.
No homless bankers to be seen anywhere though.
“No homless bankers to be seen anywhere though.”
“Bah Humbug, you’re just a small undigested kernel of corn,…go away, off with you now!”
$crooge
The historic Case Mansion in Auburn has over 30,000 square feet with 65 rooms, including 15 bedrooms.
That place has a “one-off” sort of taste, not a spec house.
In this photo series you’ll see pictures of rooms already adopted and renovated at first but later in the series you’ll see unfinished rooms and understand how this 30,000 sq foot behemouth had just been laid fallow for years.
Most of it looks beautiful.
The pool however leaves something to be desired…
I’m surprised the pool still holds water. That’s a good sign.
That’s a good sign.
A good sign, unless the water in the pool is groundwater that is coming up _through_ the pool.
This is not Florida.
Re-posted from FL thread:
“APOLLO BEACH — Bulldozers have started pushing dirt again at Waterset, a huge development in southern Hillsborough County that ultimately could boast 6,700 homes.”
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/realestate/article1214399.ece
OK, here’s a quote from a Waterset puff piece:
“There’s a new energy building in Apollo Beach that is fueling its progress, attracting new people, and creating a better way to live. It’s called Waterset. Designed on the belief that meaningful connections build a strong community, the families of Waterset will enjoy a spirited life as they engage one another, the nature that surrounds them, and the greater community. A vibrant social life with gathering places for recreation, education, entertainment and shopping. A healthy daily lifestyle as the miles of trails lead in every direction to the lakes and fishing ponds, through the wetlands and parks, stimulating a sense of freedom and adventure, exploration and relaxation. It’s life as you want it. It’s Waterset. Opening this Fall.”
“the families of Waterset will enjoy a spirited life as they engage one another”
LOL! You have NO idea what a euphemism that is. It’ll be spirited all right, just ask some of the folks who have enjoyed a “spirited” life “engaging” some of their thug neighbors in the development across the street.
“A healthy daily lifestyle”. L.M.A.O.!!!! Yep, if you like living in the shadow of the Tampa Electric plant that looms large over everything in the area. Just don’t breathe when you go for a run on those miles of trails, and you’ll be fine. That black stuff that settles on your car? Oh, it’s nothing, just a little dust.
They are pushing dirt around here also but its only the Billionaires that are doing it…
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-07/banks-paying-homeowners-a-bonus-to-avoid-foreclosures-mortgages.html
Banks Paying Homeowners to Avoid Foreclosures
By Prashant Gopal - Feb 7, 2012 12:00 AM ET
Banks, accelerating efforts to move troubled mortgages off their books, are offering as much as $35,000 or more in cash to delinquent homeowners to sell their properties for less than they owe.
Lenders have routinely delayed or blocked such transactions, known as short sales, in which they accept less from a buyer than the seller’s outstanding loan. Now banks have decided the deals are faster and less costly than foreclosures, which have slowed in response to regulatory probes of abusive practices. Banks are nudging potential sellers by pre-approving deals, streamlining the closing process, forgoing their right to pursue unpaid debt and in some cases providing large cash incentives, said Bill Fricke, senior credit officer for Moody’s Investors Service in New York.
Losses for lenders are about 15 percent lower on the sales than on foreclosures, which can take years to complete while taxes and legal, maintenance and other costs accumulate, according to Moody’s. The deals accounted for 33 percent of financially distressed transactions in November, up from 24 percent a year earlier, said CoreLogic Inc., a Santa Ana, California-based real estate information company.
Realtors are biggest campaign givers to Californians in Congress
By Jim Puzzanghera, Los Angeles Times
February 7, 2012, 4:54 p.m.
Reporting from Washington— The National Assn. of Realtors is the largest campaign contributor to members of Congress from California in recent years, according to a watchdog study that depicts the nation as a sort of United States of Special Interests.
The Realtors group contributed a total of $497,000 to California House members from July 2009 through last June and to the state’s two senators from July 2005 through last June.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-campaign-contributors-20120208,0,2890599.story - -
Where does the NAR get its money these days? I would think its membership would be collectively broke after several years of dismal sales figures.
The FIRE sector has been busy in 2011-2012:
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/index.php
And the tally since 1989 is interesting:
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
Maybe this will put a dent in the D.C housing bubble.
House panel to consider pension contribution hike for federal employees
Federal employees, including members of Congress, would contribute 1.5% more toward their pensions under legislation to be considered Tuesday by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
The bill, introduced by Rep. Dennis Ross, R-Fla., would change the formula for calculating pension benefits to the average of the highest five years of salary from three years and require new hires to contribute 4% of their pay into the Federal Employees Retirement System in order to receive a match in the Federal Thrift Savings Plan.
http://www.pionline.com/article/20120206/DAILYREG/120209903/house-panel-to-consider-pension-contribution-hike-for-federal-employees
More employee contributions, to pensions and health care, are the way out of this pension mess.
Screwing the newbie doesn’t fill the existing hole, and just gets you worse government workers in the future.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/08/world/middleeast/united-states-planning-to-slash-iraq-embassy-staff-by-half.html?_r=2&hp
‘Less than two months after American troops left, the State Department is preparing to slash by as much as half the enormous diplomatic presence it had planned for Iraq, a sharp sign of declining American influence in the country. After the American troops departed in December, life became more difficult for the thousands of diplomats and contractors left behind. Convoys of food that had been escorted by the United States military from Kuwait were delayed at border crossings as Iraqis demanded documentation that the Americans were unaccustomed to providing.’
‘Within days, the salad bar at the embassy dining hall ran low. Sometimes there was no sugar or Splenda for coffee.’
What, no Splenda? Not the Splenda! Noooo….
Coffee austerity measures hit post-war Iraq…
Coffee austerity measures hit post-war Iraq…
Reminds me of that axiom that it’s time to update the resume when the company coffee machine goes away.
Could this be the very beginning phase of an Iraqi Splenda Bubble?
Possibly. Think about this; this is the same US govt that used to bring in pallets of hundred dollar bills to Iraq (and lose them). Now they can’t keep a few cups of Splenda around?
Next thing they’ll tell us there’ll be no Splenda on the Moon Colony.
Think about this; this is the same US govt that used to bring in pallets of hundred dollar bills to Iraq (and lose them).
$9 Billion in palletized cash missing and that’s the amount we know of.
Yes I’m sure if one went through the payrolls for security construction etc you would find a lot of fictional employees. I’d like to audit the banks in Bahrain. My guess is a lot of these pallets never even made it to Iraq.
They must still talk in the Halliburton Inc. Corpoorate hallways in Dubai about that Baghdad Green Zone paint job that has gone mi$$ing.
“Everyone in the conference room, time to brain$torm up some revenue$ idea$”
a sharp sign of declining American influence in the country ??
Thanks for the donation boys…Now “Get Out” !!
In broken English: “Tank$!”, (emphasized with a Texas drawl: “Now ‘geeeet! … $cram!”
Good!
I could never understand why the word’s largest US embassy needed to be in Iraq. With 16,000 people working there.
Left unanswered: The question of what those 16k people were/are doing. Methinks that many don’t have enough work to fill the day.
Book recommendation: We Meant Well by Peter Van Buren, a State Department insider who saw firsthand how clumsy American rebuilding efforts were in Iraq.
With regards from your HBB Librarian…
“With regards from your HBB Librarian…”
Tanks! as always Tucson Slim
I think we will be back.
It’s been 20 years since we first stationed troops in Kuwait.
“I could never understand why the word’s largest US embassy needed to be in Iraq. ”
One word: Haliburton
It will eventually be their new world headquarters. Now does it make more sense?
Freedom thru Corptacracy!
Convoys of food that had been escorted by the United States military from Kuwait were delayed at border crossings as Iraqis demanded documentation
I’m pretty sure there was some miscommunication there—they were actually asking for bribes..
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
The Iranians must have hired Colin Powell as their chief military adviser.
Iran has capability to hit U.S. forces round world: report
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Iran is capable of hitting U.S. military forces around the world if attacked by the United States, Russia’s Interfax news agency quoted the Iranian ambassador to Moscow as saying on Wednesday.
“The Americans know very well what Iran is like and what our potential is,” Sajjadi was quoted as saying. “Iran is in a very good position to deliver retaliatory strikes on America around the world … An attack on Iran would be suicidal for them.”
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-could-hit-u-forces-anywhere-attacked-report-121438932.html
An attack on Iran would be suicidal for them ??
What kind of pipe is it that you smoke buddy ?? Iran would be turned into an ash tray if the attacked the US…
The largest ethnic group at Beverly Hills High is Iranian.
Steve J
You’re right. I’ll add they are probably Iranian Jews. We know quite a few. I can tell you their good and bad side, but they are very, and I mean very very loyal to their employees.
If anything, this means that our attack on Iran is imminent and the Iranians are posturing, hoping that it will dissuade us.
But really, how will they “deliver retaliatory strikes on America around the world”? With what fleet? I suppose they could try something crazy, like germ warfare on our shores, but that would just get them nuked, and they know it.
Wait a minute. Is this the same Iran to which we sold weapons so we could fund the Contras?
No, it’s the one we traded arms for hostages with.
Thanks! I stand corrected.
Wait, don’t you mean we armed the Contras to free the hostages?
“An attack on Iran would be suicidal for them.”
Does this remind anyone else of Baghdad Bob?
Tehran Tom?
Shutting down the Straights of Hormuz is what they are talking about. Enough floating mines would do the trick.
That article goes up for the most retarded post on the HBB ever.
Nice try, but sorry to tell ya, you cannot find x1 repubican anywhere in America or Faux New$ that believes that idea/threat has any validity what$oever. $eriously!
Is Iran considering fighting us here so we don’t fight them there?
Is Iran considering fighting us here so we don’t fight them there?
This frenzy has been whipped-up by the MSM, nothing more.
You need look no further than the TV commercials that air between bouts of MSM frenzy-whipping. Boeing, Lockheed, Northrup Grumman.
Sometimes I feel like I live in Imperial Rome.
Actually, you do. CONgress has willingly ceded more and more of its responsibilities in order to leave more time for re-election fundraising. And the executive branch, regardless of the President’s party affiliation, has happily and aggressively filled the vacuum.
Prediction: The Constitution and the Bill of Rights will cease to be given even lip service well before the middle of this century, and our transition to the dark side will be complete.
Yep, you do.
BLOOMBERG
The world’s largest consumer-products company rolled back prices after an 8 percent increase lost the firm 7 percentage points of market share. Kimberly-Clark Corp. started offering coupons on Huggies after resistance to the diapers’ cost.
I’m surprised Kimberly Clark doesn’t coordinate it’s price increases with the two other players.
Companies can’t raise prices because wage growth remains stunted, even though unemployment has started to recede. Average hourly earnings rose 1.9 percent in January from a year earlier, the smallest increase since April, and down from 3.2 percent in 2008 and 3.7 percent in January 2009, the Labor Department said Feb. 3. The jobless rate fell to 8.3 percent in January, the lowest level in three years, compared with a high of 10 percent in October 2009.
Comment
It should be pointed out that workers are also facing dramatic increases in costs, as states decrease services and increase fees, companies pass more medical cost to worker, and most of the inflation that is happening is happening in needs not wants.
“This recovery has not been a great recovery with regard to income gains, and income gains are a function of both growth in wages and jobs,” Jeffrey Rosenberg, the chief investment strategist for fixed-income at BlackRock Inc., the world’s biggest money manager, said in a Feb. 1 interview in New York. “Why can’t you pass price increases through to consumers? It’s because consumers aren’t seeing income gains.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-06/huggies-price-cut-shows-why-bond-market-backing-bernanke-considering-qe3.html
I’m surprised Kimberly Clark doesn’t coordinate it’s price increases with the two other players.
At some point rising costs will force the others to raise their prices as well. KC was probably hoping that customers would pay more for the brand.
Our Bum Genius cloth diapers with shell are doing us (and the boy) just fine. That someone would chuck all of those Huggies in a landfill will someday seem like pure insanity. They are cheaper in the long run, not blow-out prone and are more energy efficient throughout the entire life-cycle (H.E. washing machine and line dried).
Up yours, Kimberly-Clark.
I prefer Depends.
I only hope to have the squash to change myself once I get there. Actually, I won’t make it. No worries. No hurries.
Student loan debt approaches 1 trillion and the balloon gets bigger and bigger and bigger and ……….
Bloomberg
“bigger and bigger and bigger and ……….”
… and resignation$ are too the moon Alice!
Jed: “Whoooeeeee look at ‘em run, Granny!”
When my daughter was a freshman 3 years ago her school was charging close to 8K for two semesters of room and board. This year its almost 10K. And non local incoming freshman are required to live on campus. And since UNC is considered “non-local” for Denver, virtually all incoming Freshman have to live on campus.
What a racket!
Most colleges ARE nothing but rackets these days.
UNC ( U Northern Colorado) has relatively cheap tuition though.
“Higher education” has the same business plan as Scientology: Squeeze every possible nickel out of the suckers who come to you.
Comment by Darrell_in_PHX
2012-02-07 17:43:16
The Fed buys debt.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/current/
As of Feb 1, the Fed has $3T it has QEed into existence.
In millions of dollars:
U.S. Treasury securities 1,661,622
Federal agency debt securities (2) 101,498 Mortgage-backed securities (4) 835,847
Etc.
There is a dollar of debt for every dollar the Fed injects.
When the Fed makes overnight loans, it is doing swaps. You owe the bank, the Fed takes the debt and gives the bank money, overnight. Next day, the loan goes back to the bank and the money back to the Fed.
Let me ask this a different way, Darrell.
In the examples that you gave, the Fed is buying debt, but presumably it is debt that is purchased on the secondary markets. In other words, that debt ALREADY existed before the Fed bought it.
Where is the NEW debt corresponding to the dollars injected?
Or to put it a different want: where would the debt be if the Fed created $1T out of thin air and bought gold bars with it?
I think the “all dollars have matching debt” argument is flawed. Maybe it is true in most cases (banks creating dollars through loans), but not true in the case of direct Fed actions.
Doesn’t the Fed inject money into the system by purchasing bonds and lending money to member banks? How else do they distribute it? Last I checked they don’t give it away.
Doesn’t the Fed inject money into the system by purchasing bonds
Yes, they do. But the point is that when they buying these bonds in the secondary markets, the debt ALREADY exists. They are creating dollars, but they are not creating NEW debt in the process. They are instead moving existing debt onto their balance sheets. The total amount of debt in the system is not increased.
This violates the most fundamental assumption behind Darrell’s extensive thesis.
But, they aren’t creating new money. The are converting M2 money into M1 money.
The US Treasury printed $1T of bonds, which the fed bought with money. The government debt offsets the money.
The government spends the money and it ends up in the hands of people. Poeple deposit the money into a bank. The bank uses the money to make $900B worth of loans. $900B new money and debt, so now $1.9T total money.
The people that borrow the money spend it. It ends up in the hands of people. This time, instead of depositing the money into banks, the banks package up the $900B loans into ABS/MBS and sell it to the people that hold the money.
The banks still have $1T in deposits, but no longer have any loans. They could make more loans. The people with money have $1T in bank deposits and $900B ABS/MBS (immediatly spendable and easily convertable to spendable, so all money). The government owes $1T and the people with debt owe $900B.
The Fed decides it wants to force people to do stuff with thier money other than hold ABS/MBS. The Fed buys $900B ABS/MBS. Now the people with money have $1T in bank accounts and $900B cash. The government owes $1T and the people that borrowed money owe $900B.
In short, the Fed buying Treasuries from the government is money creation as it is offset by new government debt. The Feb buying Treasuries or ABS/MBS off the market is not money creation since Treasuries and ABS/MBS are already considered money.
Now, what if the Fed bought Gold instead of “money” in the form of Treasuries or ABS/MBS. Well, the Fed does not do this with money created out of thin air. It sells shares of itself to banks to get money out of the economy, then uses that money to buy gold.
Shares of the Fed are non-transferrable, give no voting rights, and pay no dividends. They exist simply to allow the fed to buy non-money assets without creating money out out of thin air to do so.
Hypomania Darrell. It’s not improving. If you have outside help, talk to them about it.
A Monopoly game starts with each player getting issued a fixed amount of monopoly money from the “bank”. The rules that come in the box with the game dictate how the money can be used. How well a player budgets and invests his money with randomness (dice) dictating the circumstances of the choices. If you take away the dice, just what differnce is there between the money issued to the monopoly players and that given to welfare recipients by our government? “Their” monopoly money competes directly for the same goods and services with the money I earn with my sweat and sacrifices. Does anybody wonder why a jar of mayo costs eight bucks?
The difference between Monopoly money and US dollars is that there is not debt offsetting the Monopoly money. People don’t need to get Monopoly money for anything. People need to get US dollars to repay the debt that was created when the dollars were borrowed into existence.
You know, when we were on th egold standard, there may not have been inflation, but there was massive economic upheaval. Gold standard was no Garden of Eden.
House committee passes quickie foreclosure bill
by Kim Miller
A bill that would hasten Florida’s foreclosure process while reducing the time banks could pursue a homeowner for loan debt won a tepid approval from the Florida House Economic Affairs Committee this morning.
The proposal, HB 213, is derided by homeowner advocates who fear it will leave borrowers with less defenses against bank repossession. But supporters claim it would only allow quickie foreclosures in cases where homes are abandoned, when the action isn’t challenged, or when a judge rules the homeowner has no legitimate reason to block a bank takeover.
Rep. Kathleen Passidomo, R-Naples, is sponsoring the bill. She defended it Wednesday against critics who claim it takes foreclosures out of the judicial system.
“Firstly, and let me put everyone’s mind at rest and contrary to the e-mails and calls you’ve been getting, this bill is not a non-judicial foreclosure bill,” Passidomo said. “This bill expedites the judicial process while at the same time guaranteeing the rights of citizens.”
Florida’s courts have a backlog of about 368,000 foreclosure cases, according to State Courts Administrator Lisa Goodner, who expects hundreds of thousands of additional cases to add to the log jam in the next few years.
According to a report released Wednesday by real estate analytics firm CoreLogic, nearly 12 percent of Florida’s homes with mortgages are in foreclosure, ranking it tops in the nation for foreclosure inventory. An estimated 17 percent of Florida home loans are 90 days or more behind on payments.
While the committee approved the bill in a 12 to 4 vote, members grilled Passidomo about protections in the bill for homeowners and voiced concerns about how a home would be determined abandoned.
The bill says a process server can determine a home is abandoned if two of a handful of conditions are met, such as windows and doors are boarded up or broken, trash or debris has accumulated, the home is deteriorating and interviews with at least two neighbors indicate the home is abandoned. The court must also contact utilities companies to find out if there is service going to the home.
“It doesn’t say to what level trash or debris needs to have accumulated,” said Rep. Evan Jenne, D-Fort Lauderdale. “I have some folks in my district that if you walked into their house right now there would be a pizza box, a dozen beer bottles and some chip bags.”
Homeowner advocates also oppose a provision that requires a borrower to quickly put up a defense as to why the foreclosure shouldn’t proceed. A judge rule whether the defense is legitimate or not. If not, the judge could immediately enter a final judgment.
“We are concerned about the burden of proof being put on the homeowner,” said Alice Vickers, an attorney with the Consumer Action Network. “It places a homeowner in the position of trying to try a case as if it is a final trial within 20 days of service of process.”
The bill does require banks to have all of their paperwork in order, including information on the note and assignments of mortgage, before a foreclosure is filed. It also would give banks only two years, instead of the current five, to file for a deficiency judgment against the borrower.
Wednesday’s approval sends the proposal to the House Judiciary Committee for a vote. A similar Senate bill, SB 1890, is being sponsored by Sen. Jack Latvala, R-St. Petersburg. His proposal, however, has stalled in the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Man, it seems I’m always doing my part to help the economy.
Screen on my laptop went on the fritz last night. I think I can get it fixed under warranty, but it’s already 4 years old. Ordered a new MacBookPro this morning.
Hope that makes you happy, Darrell. That’s ‘legal tender’ coming out of my savings…and going straight to China….
That’s ‘legal tender’ coming out of my savings…and going straight to China….
Thank goodness—at least YOU aren’t hoarding it anymore!
I hope this is hyperbole and not intended to be literal.
I have repeatedly stated my positions.
First,end free trade, attacking and eliminating the trade imbalances with tariffs on money leaving the country.
Then, only after that is in place, we need to revert to a very steep tax code with 90+% top marginal rate and lots of deductions to encourage those with money to spend it.
I believe I’ve regularly argued against all trade imbalances, both international and domestic.
I liked her a lot, she was a scrapper. Her parent$ & $iblings, as “family” … Wow!, & Yike$!
Sanchez Vicario says $60M in career winnings gone:
3 hours, 15 minutes ago / Yahoo News
“I never doubted that my father would manage my assets in the most efficient and beneficial way,” she wrote.
She retired in 2002, and after “breaking free” of her parents’ influence, “the surprise came. Then, the disappointment. The surprise of finding myself without resources after a career full of successes and therefore winnings.”
She added: “They left me with nothing and I owe the tax authorities.
“How can it be that everything I achieved has vanished, that it does not exist?”
Sanchez Vicario won three French Open titles and the U.S. Open. She added 10 more Grand Slam doubles or mixed doubles titles.
She helped Spain win the Fed Cup five times, and was the first Spanish woman elected to the International Tennis Hall of Fame in 2007.
In December, she became Spain’s Fed Cup captain.
During my recent meeting with my tax accountant, she shared this not-so-fun fact: A great deal of identity theft is done by families.
Either it’s the parents — or other related adults — using the identities of their children in order to set up credit for their own nefarious purposes.
Nice, huh?
Really $ad… eyes think eyes related the story of family theft of my Irish uncles estate($750,000) by my cousins, slickered his surviving wife (my aunt) while she was in a rest-a$$ured home.
Referencing an HBB blog acronym: “Poof!”
(still got the stack of 3 years worth of legal lawsuit$ paperwork stacked away, eye’ll have a “laugh, dance & burn ‘em” evening with my adult children one day soon.)
Found this out first hand.
NEVER trust anyone with your money.
If you must have a money manager, watch them like a hawk.
I have enough trouble just with my bank and employer and local merchants.
Back from DFW. Uncle passed away last week,services were on Monday-Tuesday. Aunt and Uncle were married 60+ years, did everything together. She’s not looking too good. Another aunt passed late last year.
On the way down, got a call. Oldest daughter’s father in law died sometime Sunday night or Monday morning. Not unexpected, but he has minor kids. No life insurance, can’t get it with pre-existing conditions. Services on Friday.
Also found out yesterday that they are having a memorial for (what’s left of/what they could identify by DNA testing) my sister’s mother in law (killed at the Reno Air Race crash). Aircraft impacted 10 feet in front of their seats. I’m guessing she was up out of her seat, visiting with the “neighbors”….which would be typical. She was the “friendly neighbor” type. Hopefully, it was a “never knew what hit her” sort of thing.
Being in the -fixr”s immediate family isn’t too healthy a place to be right now. It’s getting to the point that I’m thinking “Who died?” when I see a cousin’s name come up on the caller ID.
Note to self: Arrange to have yourself cremated. (Preferably after death)
You don’t want any pallbearers having a heart attack or getting a double hernia schlepping your big azz around.
My thoughts are with X-GSfixr … have a couple drinks on ol’ Hwy50 won’t yeah.
( I’ll $quare up with ya some-where’s along the HBB highway)
… kindest regards to you & yours! Hwy50
I don’t drink much. I’m “on call” 24/7/365, and am subject to the “8 Hour Rule”.
Although, this business sometimes makes me think that drug/alcoholism should be a prerequisite.
Seconded. Have two drinks on Slim as well.
Third, or I can raise the glass here in your general direction, and thanks for the suggestion that I request the cremation for after the event.
Hang in there X. It always happens in “clusters”. After this wave, it will be a long time to the next one.
Condolences fixer.
Also, averages do ultimately win the day. Seconding lurkey’s comment.
Get the cremation papers signed up front. Some states require the OK from all living children otherwise.
GS Fixer, please accept my sincere condolences.
X-GSfixr
My condolences on all your losses.
Aging is a privilege!
I know this was posted recently, but I only just got around to watching it.
It’s awesome, must-watch material.
William K. Black pulls no punches. He says exactly what we have been saying here for years. Where are the perp walks? Why are the same failed leaders still leading the failed banks? Why does the government want to whitewash all of the fraud that occurred?
Nothing that he says will shock long-time readers here, but I still found it shocking that he is out saying it in public. I salute him for doing so.
I highly recommend watching it…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz1b__MdtHY
“He says exactly what we have been saying here for years. Where are the perp walks? Why are the same failed leaders still leading the failed banks? Why does the government want to whitewash all of the fraud that occurred?”
J K Galbraith asked the same kind of questions in his 1994 book, A Short History of Financial Euphoria.
My question is, given how long these issues have been known and discussed by some, what would it take to fix them?
And how come the collective will for cleaning up the financial sector’s Wild, Wild West era is waning rather than increasing at the point when the need is growing ever more critical?
The churchiest murderer you’ll see in a long while:
http://wbal.com/article/86435/2/template-story/City-Police-Arrest-Two-Men-For-Murdering-Teen
“churchiest”
Churchiest? What does that mean?
As in “get churched.” A humorous way of indicating religiosity. As indicated by his strategically placed cross tattoo.
Ah, sorry—I was slow on the up-take there!
Also: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/churchiest
I was just eminently amused by the outward show of sanctity while clearly our hero’s personal conduct leaves a bit to be desired.
OK I`m looking at a house that I looked at back in 2008 in Jupiter Fl. The asking price is $229,000 with a Price Reduced on Realtor.com I won`t be offering that much. Status: Contingency but deal not going through. The house was completed in early 2002 and purchased by who I will call V1 (you figure it out) V1 paid $259,000.00 for the house brand new. I will just show a few of V1`s refis and his LP
Feb-2002 13490/0118 $259,000 WARRANTY DEED CLARK DONALD J &
Type: MTG
Date/Time: 12/23/2003 12:27:01
CFN: 20030787300
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 16353/747
Pages: 6
Consideration: $47,500.00
Party 1: CLARK DONALD J
CLARK KELLIE J
Party 2: WACHOVIA BANK NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Type: MTG
Date/Time: 9/23/2005 08:46:51
CFN: 20050601837
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 19292/1287
Pages: 17
Consideration: $375,000.00
Party 1: CLARK DONALD J
CLARK KELLIE J
Party 2: BANK OF AMERICA NA
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Type: MTG
Date/Time: 11/16/2005 11:13:42
CFN: 20050707060
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 19539/735
Pages: 5
Consideration: $50,000.00
Party 1: CLARK KELLIE J
CLARK DONALD J
Party 2: NATIONAL CITY BANK
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Type: LP
Date/Time: 4/3/2007 12:07:14
CFN: 20070159800
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 21581/409
Pages: 1
Consideration: $0.00
Party 1: WELLS FARGO BANK NA
Party 2: CLARK DONALD J
LOXAHATCHEE PINES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION INC
NATIONAL CITY BANK
CLARK KELLIE J
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Enter V2
Jun-2008 22803/1174 $294,250 WARRANTY DEED CALDER GLENN &
Type: D
Date/Time: 8/11/2008 15:06:58
CFN: 20080298772
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 22803/1174
Pages: 4
Consideration: $294,250.00
Party 1: WELLS FARGO BANK NA
Party 2: CALDER RENEE
CALDER GLENN
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Type: LP
Date/Time: 8/23/2010 15:53:28
CFN: 20100313961
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 24029/231
Pages: 1
Consideration: $0.00
Party 1: PNC BANK NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
Party 2: CALDER RENEE M
CALDER GLENN A
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Being a V, V2 gets some goverment cheese to get caught up but alas V2 didn`t stay caught up which is amazing because according to the neighbors V2 had the place rented out. I know I`m shocked too, how could V2 take the cheese not pay and collect rent. Oh wait, we did that story a couple of weeks ago with the lady in the PB Post who was getting the Hardest Hit $ and did it too.
Type: MTG
Date/Time: 1/31/2011 16:43:09
CFN: 20110037272
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 24340/569
Pages: 6
Consideration: $33,643.46
Party 1: CALDER GLENN A
CALDER RENEE M
Party 2: USA SECRETARY HOUSING & URBAN DEVELOPMENT
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Type: LP
Date/Time: 12/13/2011 11:29:04
CFN: 20110462789
Book Type: O
Book/Page: 24903/1443
Pages: 3
Consideration: $0.00
Party 1: NATIONAL CITY MORTGAGE
PNC BANK NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
Party 2: CALDER RENEE M
CALDER SPOUSE
BANK OF AMERICA NATIONAL ASSOCIATION
USA SECRETARY HOUSING & URBAN DEVELOPMENT
LOXAHATCHEE PINES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION INC
MIDLAND FUNDING LLC
CALDER GLENN A
Legal: LOXAHATCHEE PINES L4 L
Anyway this house was built in 2001-2002, bought in early 2002 by V1, refied to the moon, Deadbeated in for a couple of years, taken back by WELLS FARGO, resold at the bargain price of $294,250.00 by V2 (which was probably at least $200k short of what was owed by V1) Rebeated, bailed out by HUD, rented out after that without the mortgage being paid or Super Deadbeated and is now back on the market. The GD house is only 10 years old!
I think I am going to try to buy this house so I can see if late at night I can hear the ghosts of Deadbeats past.
by V2 should have been
to V2
Thanks, jeff!
What a fun lens to look through at the bubble: properties instead of victims.
If you added up the total “drag” that this house has been on the economy (due to the losses that it transferred to various bondholders) over the years since its construction, it would total up to a pretty penny, I bet.
I think I smell a great new blog series highlighting the worst-of-the-worst properties and how much they have cost the system…
Yo bro jethro….. throw us a link of this shanty.
See if this works..
5993 Loxahatchee Pines Dr Jupiter, FL 33458
MLS ID R3180185
http://www.platprops.com/real-estate/loxahatchee-pines_jupiter/ - 89k -
Not bad Jeth….. I like the soffitted ceiling in the bedroom. Is the EFS Driv-It? Looks like it.
CBS house with a hip roof. Kinda important to me with termites in South Florida and those days when the winds gust to 160 mph. In Kendall on the outer edge of the eye wall those gable ends didn`t do to well in Andrew. By the Airforce base in Homestead inside the eye wall it looked like Heroshima so it wouldn`t matter. That had to be tornadoes and gusts in excess of 200 mph.
CBS house with a hip roof.
Smart.
It may get to the point where the cry “Send in the bulldozers” will be the only thing stopping this.
IOW, we had to destroy all of the residential property to save it.
IOW, we had to destroy all of the residential property to save
itthe banks.The slaves must never be given the option to stop slaving.
the good old days are here again ?
Banking during Roman times was different from modern banking. During the Principate, most banking activities were conducted by private individuals, not by such large banking firms as exist today; almost all moneylenders in the Empire were private individuals because anybody that had any additional capital and wished to lend it out could easily do so.[5]
By the 3rd century, acute currency problems in the Empire drove them into decline.[7] The rich who were in a position to take advantage of the situation became the money-lenders when the ever-increasing tax demands in the last declining days of the Empire crippled and eventually destroyed the peasant class by reducing tenant-farmers to serfdom. It was evident that usury meant exploitation of the poor.[8]
Wikipedia
You guys wanna see sweet dump in DE?
http://www.trulia.com/property/3071890418-1513-Briarbush-Rd-Magnolia-DE-19962
Slick huh? Hip and gable, distressed brick, keystone arch and rowlocks at windows, real masonry chimney, etc. Marginally too large but manageable….. grossly overpriced for sure.
Like tobacco money another big cash infusion to shore up its pension obligations
“California received a guarantee its struggling homeowners would receive around $8 billion in relief, two people familiar with the negotiations said. The state itself would receive around $430 million for foreclosure prevention and other housing efforts.”
Don’t forget the Madison Avenue.
I am sure we will be flooded with Just Eliminate Lies types of commercials on TV.
Will they dare say, “just don’t buy a house?”