People Simply Went Mad Borrowing
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Investor demand is driving up sale prices on Brickell condos. Lisa Thomson, an associate on The Thomson Team at Coldwell Banker said the average asking price, which was $486,000 last year, is now $583,000 — and the average sold price has gone up from $279,000 to $352,000. Behind much this success is Brickell’s attraction to investors. ‘Maybe 70% of the units go to investors,’ Ms. Thomson says. ‘They want a place where they can vacation and then sell when prices are better.’”
“Emily Yao, who moved to Vancouver from mainland China six years ago, snapped up the still-unsold condominium on Vancouver’s East Side for $550,000, a difference of $9,000 below the original price tag. It’s a pattern being replicated across the Pacific port city, in a dramatic turnaround from the bidding wars, show day stampedes, and above-market offers that long dominated North America’s costliest property market.”
“Chinese investors, who have long helped to underpin the city’s red-hot market, are holding back because property market curbs back home means they have less cash available. ‘Since October, it was like someone turned off the tap. It became absolutely dead,’ said long-time realtor Pam Allen.”
“An increasing number of local developers and Chinese energy giants are issuing bonds amid tight liquidity. Every day since last week, 10-20 locally listed companies have issued debt. ‘Developers are thirsty for cash to pay off debts,’ said Kingston Lin King-ham, Fulbright Securities research director.”
“Roger never should have gotten that home loan. He never should have asked for it, but the bank never should have given it to him either. Six years ago, they wouldn’t. In some kind of bizarre paradox, the global financial crisis made Roger a better bet in 2009 than he was in 2005. Roger had achieved the ‘Great Australian Dream’. It wasn’t too long before he started to seriously fall behind. ‘It doesn’t take much to miss one. Each week you throw a lump sum of money at it and the following week bills come in and then all of a sudden…It’s just that sort of domino effect,’ Roger says. ‘It was at the point they were calling me every few days.’”
“I could probably keep pushing and pushing, but it came to the point where I’d realised it’s taken too much out of me. I’d just rather back off, back away. I probably should have thought about it more,’ he acknowledges.”
“The developers of the unfinished 32-story Phoenix West II told the City Council they don’t have the money to pay for amenities promised six years ago in better economic times. Units were priced from $650,000 to $850,000 in March 2009 and today they are averaging $510,000. ‘I have hocked and sold everything I own and lost my house,’ said Gene Brett of Brett/Robinson, one of the development partners. ‘My two partners and I have lost everything we’ve worked for and this will be our 45th year in business.’”
“No one at this year’s Urban Land Institute conference predicted when metro Phoenix’s housing market will rebound. Year after year, as the housing crash and economic downturn worsened, analysts and investors tried to forecast when the market would rebound. By 2011, the mistaken predictions had become a subject of some wry humor.”
“Homebuilders at the conference agreed building will pick up this year but said it will be a while before buyers go back out to the fringes of metro Phoenix, no matter how inexpensive the home is or how low gas prices go. ‘There are fringe parts of Phoenix where we couldn’t make a profit on a new home even if the land was free,’ said Steve Hilton, chairman of Scottsdale-based Meritage Homes.”
“The government reached a $26 billion deal with the five largest banks in the nation: Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Citigroup, and Aly Financial. Those banks were charged with a laundry list of abuses that occured after the housing bubble burst. The settlement will bring about $1.5 billion to Nevada, to help struggling homeowners. But some homeowners aren’t happy with this settlement.”
“‘I’ve had three foreclosures on my block, that went for $190,000 or below,’ describes Patti Peery, who lives in the far northwest valley. ‘Other neighbors are just abandoning their homes altogether. How am I supposed to make up for that? I bought my house for $400,000.’”
“Though Peery’s home is underwater, she’s not delinquent on payments. But she admits her house payments are getting harder to make. ‘It comes down to a business decision,’ she says. ‘Do I want to stay in my house, or send my kids to college and make sure my husband and I can retire? Our home is taking all of our money.’”
“That’s why she doesn’t believe the federal mortgage settlement is enough to really help homeowners threatened by foreclosure. ‘It’s not going to make a dent,’ she says. ‘I’m never going to get what I originally paid for my house.’”
“NCB Stockbrokers said the price of buying a home will fall by at least a fifth in the years ahead as Ireland recovers ‘from the largest credit and housing bubble in OECD history’. The Dublin-based broker calculated that the eventual national decline from peak to trough will be 60pc. Average prices have fallen 47pc so far which implies that prices must fall by at least another 20pc before hitting rock bottom.”
“Prices in Dublin have already fallen close to this amount with apartment prices in Dublin down 58pc and house prices in Dublin down 54pc. ‘Ireland has had a classic and very big and bad asset price bubble,’ said Michael O’Sullivan who is head of research at the Credit Suisse private banking. ‘That is the cause of our malaise.’”
“The data available for personal credit in Ireland and elsewhere shows clearly that the level of borrowing by Irish households during the bubble years exceeded that in other European economies. A graph produced with the report showed how property-related lending, as a proportion of total lending, rose from about 45 per cent at the end of 2002, to almost 65 per cent by the end of 2005. Property-related lending accounted for four-fifths of all lending in 2006.”
“It wasn’t noticed until later that during the bubble years the banks themselves had gone on a borrowing spree, sourcing huge sums abroad for delivery to their Irish customers. Since the crash, the burden of this debt has fallen on to the State. In a paper in the Economic and Social Review in summer 2009, before he was appointed governor of the Central Bank, Patrick Honohan suggested that the strong economic growth in Ireland during the 1990s produced a false sense of confidence, or hubris, among policy makers. This opened the way for a subsequent ‘old fashioned property bubble.’”
“Taoiseach Enda Kenny said in Davos that what happened in Ireland was that ‘people simply went mad borrowing.’”
“Whether to move forward with the construction of more worker housing at Aspen’s Burlingame Ranch subdivision is a decision that will come to the City Council this spring against the backdrop of a sluggish market for homes and condos set aside for the local workforce. The Aspen/Pitkin County Housing Authority closed the books on one of the slower years in recent memory for the community’s employee housing program in 2011.”
“More notable was the number of prospective buyers — often fewer than a dozen takers for units that, in the booming days of the employee housing program — attracted larger numbers of lottery participants hoping to win a shot at buying a residence. Of late, the housing office has seen units go to someone who wasn’t a priority bidder and higher priced units don’t always fetch their full price, as determined by the caps on appreciation imposed by the housing program, said Cindy Christensen, housing operations manager. Such was the situation when she started working in the housing office 20 years ago.”
“‘I never thought we’d come back to this,’ she said. ‘Things were going so gung-ho for so long.’”
It seems there is an endless supply of infestors who view single-family housing as a get-rich-quick proposition.
Yeah, I hear ya, Griz. We seem to be having an influx of this species of vermin here in Tucson.
And I predict that the joys of landlording will prove to be elusive. Not to mention the cash flow and the profitability. I expect to see a lot more houses being dumped in the years to come.
Yeah, but are they driving up condo prices by 100k? Also, the article mentions the buyers are largely foreign and that there’s a bunch of shadow inventory in the Miami condo market.
I wonder what these foreign investors will do once they are clearly underwater? Think that the US banks can get at them in Chengdu?
I suspect they are cash buyers.
Gotcha. What a waste of capital.
The foreign buyer myth is alive and well in Florida. I recall something like 13,000 sales last year statewide to foreign buyers (Canada included). There are at least 35,000 condos in downtown Miami.
Here’s another local article, the comments are very interesting:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/11/07/2491346/international-tide-lifts-south.html
It’s worth noting there have always been wealthy cash buyers who want to park money in FL real estate. Of course, this is vastly overstated, because what happens when prices do not recover? Good luck getting liquid on that investment quickly.
This myth was propogated a lot by the industry after 9/11 in that everyone from Europe wants to buy condos in orlando so they can visit disney world. Except that tourism numbers didn’t support that theory then, either. This exact reason was often cited as reason why Florida R/E prices wouldn’t fall.
“Though Peery’s home is underwater, she’s not delinquent on payments. But she admits her house payments are getting harder to make. ‘It comes down to a business decision,’ she says. ‘Do I want to stay in my house, or send my kids to college and make sure my husband and I can retire? Our home is taking all of our money.’”
And remember, class, the key words in that paragraph are “business decision.”
When other people start viewing their houses through the same lens, look out housing market. Down will go the prices.
Walk away from underwater home, on second thought run!
Zhe duo shao qian.
“Our home is taking all of our money”
The home was supposed to pay for the kid’s college and their retirement.
That’s what the 2.5x yearly income ceiling was supposed to help avoid. Course that measurement also assumes controlled inflation, which over the next 30 years is going to be tough to maintain so all bets are off. Enter into these contracts at your own risk.
Our home is taking all of our money”
“When other people start viewing their houses through the same lens, look out housing market. Down will go the prices.”
One can only hope enough folks get rational enough to see housing this way. If we had 10% or 20% down payment requirements, I think we’d be there already.
“Taoiseach Enda Kenny said in Davos that what happened in Ireland was that ‘people simply went mad borrowing.’”
Not just in Ireland.
Do people have free will and values, or are they like single celled organisms that respond to stimuli? And what response is the government trying to stimulate now?
“…or are they like single celled organisms that respond to stimuli?”
So far as I can tell, the Fed is exempt from rules barring experimentation on human subjects. Think of yourself as a rat in Dr Bernanke’s laboratory, and you will get the picture. Just imagine all the fantastic macroeconomics dissertations that will be possible over the next hundred years, thanks to all the experimental data generated since 2006.
The art of herding sheep has been around for a very long time. Bernanke and his lot are just “husbanding” us. Doesn’t that sound better?
In the big picture of the cosmos, is there really that big of a difference between an amoeba and us? Do we really have free will, or is it an illusion created by complexity?
Was Cavil (one of the organic Cylons in Battlestar Galactica) correct when he said “We don’t souls, we’re machines”?
And are we really alive, or just a very rapid and complex chemical reaction compared with, say, the slow and simple chemical reaction of disintegration of the desk in front of me?
The housing bubble has made me wonder. Lots of people sure acted like robots.
“People Simply Went Mad Borrowing”
That about sums up the frustration with attempting to navigate a rational path of personal financial decisions through a tsunami tide of underwater FBs and bailouts.
“People Simply Went Mad Borrowing”
Not to mention they were really pissed when they found out they were supposed to pay it back.
“People Simply Went Mad Borrowing”
And those of us who didn’t borrow were perceived as mad by those who did.
It is worth remembering that all the “experts” advised leveraging to the max while the Banksters handed out the loans like Halloween candy.
Some things really do never change.
I believe David Lereah used the expression “liberate equity.”
“‘I’ve had three foreclosures on my block, that went for $190,000 or below,’ describes Patti Peery, who lives in the far northwest valley. ‘Other neighbors are just abandoning their homes altogether. How am I supposed to make up for that? I bought my house for $400,000.’”
The comps in Peery’s ‘hood are seriously screwed up.
“Though Peery’s home is underwater, she’s not delinquent on payments. But she admits her house payments are getting harder to make. ‘It comes down to a business decision,’ she says. ‘Do I want to stay in my house, or send my kids to college and make sure my husband and I can retire? Our home is taking all of our money.’”
Can’t blame HBB posters for not warning the whole world about the dangers of throwing away your money on home ownership.
“Our home is taking all of our money.”
Patti, this is Las Vegas. Didn’t anyone tell you the house always wins?
Patti, this is Las Vegas. Didn’t anyone tell you the house always wins?
+1 LOL!
There is still a sh!tload of cheap money flowing into real estate. This is going to take a looooooooooong time to work itself out. Many of us will be ancient by the time it’s over.
“Metro Phoenix home prices ticked up at the end of last year but are still below 2000′s level. No one at the ULI conference ventured a guess at how long it would take the region’s median existing home price to rebound to $267,000, the record it reached in late 2006.”
No where near California’s bubble prices.
Here’s a nice place for the 1% shoppers
http://tinyurl.com/7bkd4u7 (Redfin Scottsdale listing)
“PALM BEACH COUNTY, Fla. — Most states in the U.S and some of the nation’s biggest banks have reached a $25 billion settlement over foreclosure abuses.”
“Some officials say this is good news for homeowners hit by foreclosure. But some in South Florida say it’s not all that great, and it will do little to help. That includes homeowners such as Daniel Cianciotto who lives in Canyon Lakes west of Boynton Beach”
“Cianciotto is 24 months behind on his mortgage payments”
24 months? Try 5 years.
Type: LP Date/Time: 10/20/2008 11:46:32
“I’m very disappointed. It’s a slap on the hand for the banks.”
“It’s a sellout, it’s a sellout by the government. They shouldn’t be doing that at all.”
“$2,000 for a home or a family, that they want to offer. A settlement? That’s absurd!”
Anyone remember the 80s and THE GO-GO’S
“We Got The Beat”
See the people living on my street
Livin free and goin out to eat
They don’t know just where they gonna go
And they say it`s a crime
We got the Beats
We got the Beats
We got the Beats, yeah
We got the Beats
See the kids just getting out of school
Goin home and hangin by the pool
Hang around ’til quarter after twelve
And then they find
Their folks are Beats
Their folks are Beats
Their folks are Beats, yeah
Their folks are Beats
Bail out money really makes em dance
Hardest Hit just put em in a trance
Give us cash so we can have a chance
Then we`ll fall in line
‘Cause we are the Beats
We are the Beats
We are the Beats, yeah
We got it
We are the Beats
We are the Beats
We are the Beats
Everybody get on your feet
We are the Beats
We know you can dance with the Beats
We are the Beats
Jumpin’, get down
We are the Beats
Round and round and round
We are the Beats
We are the Beats…