February 24, 2012

The Love Affair Continues

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Four out of five properties dropped in value, according to the annual report released by Virginia Beach Assessor Jerry Banagan. Average home values here climbed nearly 75 percent in the five years leading up to the 2008 recession. Since then, the city’s average home value has fallen by roughly $66,000, down to about $266,100. ‘People keep asking me when it’s going to stop,’ Banagan said. ‘I can’t say. Not until we get rid of all these foreclosures.’”

“Across Palm Beach County and across South Florida, some people are going for years without paying their bills and, too often, it is their neighbors who are forced to pick up the tab. ‘If the banks would just push through these properties and put them on the market and get folks to purchase them,’ said Paul Massey is HOA president at Convention Center Townhomes in downtown West Palm Beach. ‘That’s all we’re asking.’”

“The foreclosures, the short sales, and those people who aren’t paying the HOA fees that they signed up for; Adam Sinclair has a long list of things that need fixing at Summit Run, a private 254-home development in suburban West Palm Beach. As a homeowners’ association board member, Sinclair wants all of it out of his neighborhood soon. ‘It can only get better,’ said Sinclair. ‘And if it doesn’t get better, than it’s not going to be good for anybody.’”

“Nearly 400 homeowners went to the James L. Knight Center in Miami on Wednesday, to meet with bank and mortgage companies about a federal program that will help those struggling to pay their mortgages. ‘The payment is too high,’ said homeowner Zepheniah Davis. ‘I want to lower the payment down.’”

“The City of Hutto is hoping the $25 billion settlement agreed upon Thursday will help reinvigorate the city’s real estate market. Sue Beridon’s trying to sell her house in Hutto and estimates more than half of the homes in her subdivision have been foreclosed upon, or forced into short sales. She said her home value has plummeted as much as $50,000. Beridon hopes some of her neighbors will benefit from the agreement. ‘There’s always, every weekend, U-Haul trucks moving people out, and a lot of people have lost their homes,’ Beridon said.”

“Dozens of clergy members and community activists rallied today outside the headquarters of Wells Fargo Bank in San Francisco in protest of what they say is rampant foreclosure abuse. ‘We’re calling for a freeze on foreclosures,’ said Geoff Nelson-Blake of the San Francisco Organizing Project, a coalition of religious and community groups that organized today’s action.”

“Wells Fargo spokesman Ruben Pulido said, ‘The unfortunate reality is that some customers are in homes they cannot afford, even with substantially reduced payments.’”

“As the pain of Spain’s property crash continues to hit people hard, regular protests are being staged as banks repossess the homes of those who cannot afford loans taken out when the economic outlook was more rosy. On the morning that the banks were due to take control of Ronale de la Cruz’s house, more than 150 people turned up to stop the eviction. Tatyana Roeva was one of the protesters who went to the house the night before the eviction. ‘Surely someone who enters into a mortgage has a duty to meet their payments?’ I ask her.”

“‘I don’t agree, because we were tricked. They created a property bubble and they gave mortgages to everyone. It was a fraud in every sense of the word.’”

“A recent online poll found that a ’surprising’ 41.4 per cent of Malaysians owned two or more properties. A large population of Malaysians are also interested in investment opportunities abroad in nations such as the UK, Singapore, Australia, and the US. Malaysians still believe that the local market will continue to grow despite doubts over the welfare of the global economy. Chief executive of iProperty, Shaun Di Gregario told reporters, ‘The majority of people are still confident that the property market will continue to grow… The love affair continues.’”

“Despite widespread concern of an oversupply in the condominium market, a property bubble remains impossible, says Suphin Mechuchep, managing director of the property consultant Jones Lang LaSalle Thailand. ‘Thai property prices are one-tenth those in Hong Kong and Singapore, while the Thai economy remains strong and people have cash on hand. Property purchases are a way to compete with inflation, especially if its an investment for rent.’”

“Condos on Phahon Yothin, Ratchadaphisek and Lat Phrao roads are 60,000 to 95,000 baht a square metre. The opening of CentralPlaza Grand Rama 9 and development of a new SET building on Rama IX Road makes that area ripe for more condominium growth. Ms Suphin said last year’s flooding was comparable to the 2004 tsunami that caused a property price decline for a period, but now prices in Phuket have more than doubled their pre-tsunami level.”

“She acknowledged the government should have a clear flood prevention plan with a quick response to support the market for low-rise properties.”

“Optimism surged in January only to be dragged down by the mid-winter blahs in February. That bump is typical of the roller-coaster ride Canadians have been on for a while now, says the VP of research firm TNS Canada. this anxiety is afflicting everyone from young job seekers to Bay Street veterans and nowhere is the dichotomy more pronounced than in Toronto’s real estate market.”

“One executive, who has been in the mortgage business for more than 30 years, tells me he and others at his firm are dumbfounded by the action in the market these days. He’s astonished partly because bidding wars have been so ferocious in Toronto and buyers are taking on such huge mortgages. Sure buyers are competing over relatively few listings but they are bidding jaw-dropping amounts over the asking price. ‘If it keeps going like this I’m just going to leave and become a dentist or something because it means I don’t understand the market at all,’ he quipped recently.”

“The builders of Aura, which is billed as Canada’s tallest condo tower, recently won permission to add three more storeys to the skyscraper. The three additional floors will mean approximately 50 more units are available for sale, bringing the total in the building to 985. Canderel’s vice-president of sales and marketing, Riz Dhanji, said said he’s convinced there remains a strong appetite among condo buyers for units at Aura and added, ‘I wish we could go beyond the 78 storeys we have today.’”

“Under a deal that goes to city council for approval March 5, Minto will pay $44 million in cash and build 800 spaces of underground Green P parking worth $32 million along with two condo towers on a key site in Yorkville. The city-owned Toronto Parking Authority received 10 offers for the site, which were shortlisted to three before Minto was chosen. ‘In a location like that, the land will always retain its value,’ said Councillor Peter Milczyn, chair of council’s planning and growth management committee. ‘Even if there’s a downturn in the market, you know you’ll eventually be able to sell very expensive condos in Yorkville.’”




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Comment by jeff saturday
2012-02-24 08:33:55

“Across Palm Beach County and across South Florida, some people are going for years without paying their bills”

In Palm Beach County? As Mr. Ed would have said….

Wilbur, that`s Ihhhhmpossible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0XcH6d-1Ms - 93k

 
Comment by polly
2012-02-24 08:52:59

Ah, the smell of Washington DC in the spring - manure laced mulch being added to all the flower beds.

Comment by Montana
2012-02-24 09:41:05

it’s spring there already? *sniff*

Comment by polly
2012-02-24 09:56:28

We are wavering back and forth. Yesterday got up to 70. Today is supposed to get even warmer for a brief time and then some very strong winds and a cold front coming through. Heading to the mid 50’s for next week.

I’m from New England. I consider mid 50’s to be spring weather. Over 70 should be reserved for May.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-02-24 11:07:19

Ah, the smell of Washington DC in the spring - manure laced mulch being added to all the flower beds.

I thought manure was the typical smell of DC politics year round…

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-02-24 12:19:06

I’m sure that there are quite a few Washingtonians who are making similar observations. They’re just a bit more pungent right now.

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2012-02-24 09:20:53

This has the potential to be quite a shock to the Japanese economy:

Japan Orders Pension Fund to Suspend Operations

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/business/global/japan-orders-aij-investment-advisors-to-suspend-operations.html?hpw

TOKYO — Japanese financial authorities ordered a Tokyo-based pensions manager to suspend operations Friday after public investigators discovered that the company may have lost the bulk of about $2.3 billion in funds it managed for its clients.

Comment by Steve J
2012-02-24 09:59:58

Sounds like Japan needs to get on board with less government regulation. :-)

Olympus got caught fudging the books last month.

Maybe the Japanese economy is headed for a crash?

2012-02-24 18:39:17

Olympus is a very complex case. They were basically “back-fudging” the books from the heady days of the Japanese Bubble (80’s)

The idea was to have some kinda complex derivative to hide the losses that they had already taken long ago, and hope and pray that the earnings in the meantime would be enough to cover the loss and save face.

It all blew up spectacularly once they had a foreign CEO (who promptly got fired for actually bothering to “investigate”.)

 
 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2012-02-24 11:19:01

Wow, thats odd. A couple of billion missing. Has anyone seen Jon Corzine lately?

 
Comment by rms
2012-02-25 05:03:32

TOKYO — Japanese financial authorities ordered a Tokyo-based pensions manager to suspend operations Friday after public investigators discovered that the company may have lost the bulk of about $2.3 billion in funds it managed for its clients.

Will the CEO perform seppuku or demand annual bonuses?

 
 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2012-02-24 09:31:39

“Chief executive of iProperty, Shaun Di Gregario told reporters, ‘The majority of people are still confident that the property market will continue to grow… The love affair continues.”

Malaysia… Its different here!

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-02-24 09:55:31

‘Even if there’s a downturn in the market, you know you’ll eventually be able to sell very expensive condos in Yorkville.’”

LOL!

I love this guys optimism.

Watching one of the HGTV shows based in Toronto(Income Property), it appears that the only way anyone is making the mortgage is by redoing the basement and renting it out.

Any loss of jobs in the Toronto area will cause a Tsunami of defaults.

Comment by polly
2012-02-24 10:56:43

“Eventually” is a very long time frame. Lots of things can change, including the definition of “very expensive condos.” If all the other condos lose 60% of their current FMV, and the ones in that area only lose 50%, they would still be very expensive condos.

Comment by polly
2012-02-24 11:34:51

That being said, I think it is going to be fascinating to watch the Canadian bubble burst.

A few years ago, I was trying to explain the beginnings of the bubble bursting to my hosts in London, Ontario. They live in a very nice subdivision. He was very sceptical that there was a property bubble in his neighborhood. I asked what the houses were worth. He said about $400K. I asked what the household income was in the area. He guessed around $175K. I told him that didn’t sound too bad to me by traditional standards. But I wonder what those selling prices and incomes are now?

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-02-24 12:39:17

That being said, I think it is going to be fascinating to watch the Canadian bubble burst.

+1. I eagerly await their realization that it is not actually different there.

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2012-02-24 18:25:13

Personally I’m waiting for India but I realize that might take a few years.

I’ll take Canada as a stop-gap measure. :D

 
Comment by Patrick
2012-02-24 18:54:24

Canada First. Please.

Toronto is too big a market to be running wild (up and down now). Some knife catchers are bidding just to get a home before the bottom falls out ! !

When it is realized that Toronto’s bubble has broken you will see a lot of unfinished condos as our fabulous (! !) bankers pull the proverbial chain.

The runaway market has run out of breath.

Thank you.

 
Comment by rms
2012-02-25 04:59:34

I eagerly await their realization that it is not actually different there.

The Canadian mortgage is slightly different. While payments are submitted monthly the interest is calculated on a semi-annual basis. Otherwise I agree that their asset market is poised for a huge correction.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2012-02-24 10:16:03

‘People keep asking me when it’s going to stop,’ Banagan said. ‘I can’t say. Not until we get rid of all these foreclosures.’”

And students pay off their college debt.

And people start making more money.

And…

Comment by octal77
2012-02-24 12:51:23

And government stops handing out freebies to the entitlement society..

And people pay off credit cards

And people stop living beyond their means..

And governments stop spending beyond their means..

And…

 
 
Comment by Jim A
2012-02-24 11:37:27

She said her home value has plummeted as much as $50,000. Boy 50k is pretty small cheese, unless she’s a knife-catcher who bought when prices had already fallen significantly. I wouldn’t be surprised if the she’s deluding herself and the price declines are MUCH worse.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-24 14:03:48

“Phuket”

My thought, exactly!

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-02-24 14:06:49

“‘If it keeps going like this I’m just going to leave and become a dentist or something because it means I don’t understand the market at all,’ he quipped recently.”

I’ve heard plenty of tales around San Diego about dentists turned real estate investors who lost a bundle in the bubble’s collapse.

 
Comment by Laura S.
2012-02-25 04:14:43

The reports from January turned to be false predictions of self-regulating real estate market because they just played the facts and spit the conclusion based on incomplete data sets.
Anyone who is conscious enough knows how the real estate market behaves and that even in the raising debt crisis there is a possibility for short increase.
Right now I focus my observation on rents, because more and more people are choosing it when they plant the evergreen question: Renting vs. Buying: What to Choose? The increases in the rents are huge and they just add to the instability that is already ruling the real estate market.

 
Comment by Andrew
2012-02-25 06:36:27

‘The payment is too high,’ said homeowner Zepheniah Davis. ‘I want to lower the payment down.’”

-I do too, even though its very manageable. I want to get my modest 30% LTV (even in 2010) loan paid off earlier than its due in 15 years. Who doesnt want to lower their payment down?!

 
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